Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Black Mirror Season
seven full season spoils view. I'm the Captain dressed now
I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: H who am I? I'm the common person Dyl.
Speaker 1: My own person. There you go. I was gonna say,
welcome back by cameraer the last time we've done this,
but yeah, we've done a couple of these reviews. I
can't remember when we started doing the seasons. I remember
we did the seasons with whatever season was hanged the DJ,
so I think it was either season three or four
because I remember it being like the first.
Speaker 2: See if a quick YouTube search can find this information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember when Black Mirror because my favorite
episode of all time sends you to peril to me
like one of the best just media ever. I've said
that all the time, right, I always praise that episode.
I remember we the podcast was live, but we did that.
I think that came out the time when our newscast
used to just be we'd sit down and throw it
a topic and then we would just all talk and
sometimes be like anyone interested in this and what not.
But that was one of those times where I think
we talked about Black because I remember us talking about
him on cast, but on like a review sense like
this was back in the day when we were just
do random reviews in the middle episode, not like highlight
than anything.
Speaker 2: So I think I see a review for four or five,
six and bandersnatch, So I think, yeah, four was DJ
That makes when we started doing the reviews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think probably season three we found out
that like other people watch them, even though I think
just us.
Speaker 2: I like our title for season five is Black Mirror
out of Touch.
Speaker 1: Because that's a take I had. That's a take. I well,
I think I did, but I think you and I talked,
but I thought we had several episodes that season that
were just like very man.
Speaker 2: I have no idea which episodes are in which season anymore.
That's just my I'm not encyclopedic when it comes to
Black Mirror. I'm no casual viewer at this point.
Speaker 1: Because last year after and we'll get into the review here,
last year whenever season six happened, right, and I remember
being somewhat underwhelm with that season. I have seen a
few episodes at that point over but i'd never done
like a full rewatch. Now I still didn't do a
full rewatch of Black Mirror. But I definitely watched all
the episodes that I really enjoyed, and that's definitely messed
me up of when I remember what is everything? Like
I said, I can tell you San Juniper, I couldn'
actually I can tell you. I couldn't. I had to
be like, oh, it's either three or four. Like I
feel that there's like the eras. All I can always
know is like the episode ones or the season one stuff,
because that was you know, it's only like three of them, right, yeah,
and that's like the Pig one and.
Speaker 2: The Treadmill one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right with Daniel Klua. Yeah, that's it. And
I did go back and watch that. So that's how
now I do Black Mary never watching seasons because I know, hey,
there's an episode I really did enjoy. I'm not gonna
watch this for an hour for like a kind of payoff, right,
But but yeah, here we are, We're back season seven.
We got some multiple like movie length episode. We got
I'm not gonna say our first ever sequel, because I
feel like Black mar has always played in the same universe,
but this feels like the most like sequel sequel they've
ever done. Where Yeah, we're doing a full follow up
to Uss Cowister. But yeah, Dan, what did you think
about this season? Seven? Six episodes? Got lots of stars
in here, you know, h mccorn. You got Paul Gimani,
he got Peter Capolti, he had u Chris O'Dowd, she
Jones or Shea Jones. Yeah, I'm sure there's other people.
Speaker 2: Boy back is he Maybe I saw him?
Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think about this season? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is definitely a step up for
me from last season. Once again, as I met said,
my brain has scrambled on what exactly happens in each one,
but I definitely remember being a little let down by
that one, uh and maybe even the one before it.
So I feel like it is a bit of a
return to form to some way. I think I overall
really enjoyed this season. There's a couple episodes that I like,
mostly enjoyed, but like the ending wasn't super satisfying for me,
or like the third act, I guess, And then a
couple or like maybe just one episode that was like
bit too long. I think it could have been one
of my favorites. It was just like tightened up a
little bit but overall, I think we get like some
some pretty solid black Mirror stuff in here, some good
you know, for me, like the peak of these of
the show. And I mean it does go like it's
there isn't really just one thing that is a black
Mire episode anymore. I feel like for a while that
was the case, but now it can be so many
different things. But I feel like, for me, it's like, Okay,
let's take some weird, freaky sci fi tech AI type concept,
something that seems viable like within the next ten fifteen
years of our real world, and let's put like the
worst possible way that this could go in the real world.
And I feel like we got a couple of those,
which I feel like we haven't maybe had super recently,
I guess, so I enjoyed those. I think we did
get some like really poignant stuff in there. There's a
couple of times where it kind of feels like we're
retreating the same ground certain AI things. That's like, Okay,
we've done this like three or four times now, it
feels like, But overall, I really enjoyed, over overall enjoyed
the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same as you, because I remember, I
think last season. We were talking about like should this
show and because it's not in the sense of I
don't think even last year because I'm looking at the
episodes we got Lassie's or so it's twenty twenty three,
so it's been five years. So it was Joan is Awful.
I can't remember that, the lady from Shit's Creek, but
that was like the whole right, like they can take
your look and do whatever they wearing. Yeah, there's lock
Henry where there's like they're just investigating a serial killer
and it's tied to the guy's family. Right, there's Beyond
the Sea. That was that Jesse Plemon or Jesse not
Jesse from Breaking Bad Aaron. Yeah, when they like had
the hot Body host once and then he had Mazy
Day which was like the Werewolf pop Parazzi one, and
then even seventy nine, which I barely remember a Meek
sales listant As told she must commit terrible acts to
prevent the disaster. Now I kind of remember. I should
rewatch that because the guy do you remember the guy
who's like very flash, he's playing like a demon. He
has like a big get up. I guess I'll bring
it up here. But I didn't rewatch that. I didn't
rewatch that last year in my rewatches, but I should
because this is the guy's playing the new stape and
I remember like liking him in this episode. But yeah,
so there's like if you want some taste there was. Yeah,
and then wasn't.
Speaker 2: He playing like multiple roles in that episode too?
Speaker 1: I think so something like that, and I think he's
like range, he's kind of demon into sguise. And then yeah,
season five we got that my Cyrus is like the
little AI robot thing. Remember where Pop Singer got Striking Vipers,
which I love. That's that fighting episode where they go
in the game and like fall love Anthony, you know
Anthony Maki and yah Ya when they're playing like Mortal Kombat,
but then they start doing stuff with each other. Oh
she is right, she's the fighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that he plays as her or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's why. Oh we only got
three episodes for season five. Okay, so that's why some
of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's right, And I guess maybe that was
a round bandersnatch time, so maybe that's how they like
kind of okay, we just split off. We made like
the movie and then we made the show here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was kind of my point where it
was like, okay, we had a couple if we're talking
about the if there's errors, right, because I think one
and two is the eras like no one really knew
that show. It's a almost purely British show. It's just like,
oh have you heard the show? And then three and
fours when you get like bigger celebrities, but it's getting
more mainstream, and there's some really peak episodes in there,
and then I feel like five and six were I
won't say hidden miss because the quality is always good,
but there wasn't ever a really really great episode that's like,
oh I go back to a lot. Even those Striking
Vipers is one. I just felt like multiple seasons would
have a great episode. And then the rest episodes were
still very very good, but it felt like we're getting
a lot of men and bandersnatch. I think we're all
excited for we reviewed that, but I remember being kind
of let down by that, which funny, we're gonna talk
about that in this season. But no, this is the
first season in a while where like, Okay, black Mers,
black Bear's back, Like this is like even the episodes
I think, well, maybe it's different ones, but honestly, most
of your thoughts sound very similar to mine. Where there's
one episode was shortened, there's some episodes there's some really
great concepts, but the back half for the ending is
just feels very underwhelmed, like oh, this is a fantastic
con set, but then once you get there, it kind
of I want to say, ruins the whole episode, but
doesn't make me want to go back, and it just
feels like, oh, we couldn't think of anything here, here
we go. Or there's ones where I'm like you where
I like, hey, let's do some tech and something that's
relevant right now, but let's see what it would be,
you know, like you said multiple decades where there's one
tech episode, I'm like, this is just like too unbelievable
for me, Like it just doesn't feel like I can
grasp it really right. It's just it's not it feels
too big. So I like when blackmir stays in that ball,
but at the same point, like episode one, when we
talk about that, that feels like that's a variation on
San Junipero or hanging the DJ where it's like, okay,
two people going through something using technology, and it's keeping
them together but also pulling them apart. How do you
use this and that? You know? So, But overall, I
think there's two episodes in here that I had put in,
like the all Timer. If I'm making a Black Mirror ranking,
maybe one day if the show over ends, we should
do that. If I have a tier list, I think
there's two episodes here that are in the top tier list,
which is great because yeah, for me, I don't think
the last few seasons I even had one that was
like a for sure, oh that's in there, and if
it was, it was just one and the rest where okay,
they were fun, cool little concepts, will acted always well
show and directed technically these shows are always great. But no,
I think there was some really good stuff in here,
and even the episodes that had met ending, I still
overall enjoyed them, except for maybe one I had very
low tier, but no, this was this got me more
excited for Black Mirror again. So the next time, you know,
when season eight rolls around in two years and we
hear that no, no, it's like, okay, now now I'm
back where before I just kind of thought I was
getting let down and even at season six, like you
know what you should end now so you don't get
to that point where people go, oh, remember when BlackBerry
used to be good. I remember it used to be topical.
Where this I feel like there's lots of plays on
stuff and video games and the other thing is like
we'll get into these episodes which I don't know how
you feel. I feel like there's a weird theme about
and I don't know if they meant to do this,
but like accepting AI and trying to find it sympathetic,
because there's at least three episodes that are, hey, this is,
you know, an AI centric thing, and they got feeling
so don't you know, be a good person, And it's
just that's I don't know how I feel as a person,
because like, technically it should be right if you like,
in five years, if we get like a AI assistant
on a robot, I would don't want to be yelling
at them not But at the same time, they're not a
real person. But they really put in that juxtaposition of
like I think they're I don't think they're saying what
we should feel, but I think they're trying to pose
that question because I think in like ten years, we
will be having that where it's like, hey, I have
this Mike, Like, let's say your car. Let's say in
ten years from now, they make cars more AI centrica
and it has like a personality, right, So if your car,
like you know, explodes or gets wrecked, are you gonna
feel bad? Because like, oh, that's Jimmy. Like I talk
to Jimmy every day about my kids or my job.
And I think they were posing these questions overall, particularly
in three episodes of Okay It's not real, but like
what happens when you connect to it and it becomes
really like, oh, like yeah, what do I do in
that situation? You know, as a kind hearted person. So yeah,
it's that's what I like with Black MIRR when they
are making you think about things and it's not just
a clear cut like it's a serial killer episode and
you know, here we go, you know.
Speaker 2: So no, that's a good point. I feel like the
AI side of it, like the way I've seen it
in this show is like, Okay, well, the tech is
pushed so far forward that we're at the point where
it's like, oh, yeah, these cop they're like copies of
people are or you know whether they're like going into
a thing, but it's like a complete one to one
to someone like that is the same person, just without
the physical body. But you're right, like that is something
that I mean, just how much AI is progressing in
the last like few months, let alone year, let alone
like two years, three years, like it, it is pretty
insane and saggering at the rate it's going at. And
so it makes those some of those AI ones, which
I guess, Yeah, when I was watching them, I'm like, oh,
this is not really realistic, but I can see what
the story is here. But you're like you're making a
good point of like, yeah, maybe it's not so far
away that we're at like this level of AI where
it's like completely the same as a person like any
any every perceivable way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like it's not and we'll get to
that full episode, but like episode for play anything, and
that's about like video games, right. And my best example
would be many people use this example in Red Dead
of Redemption when you get a horse and you're with
that horse for weeks and weeks and then something happens
that horse I'll say it dies, You feel bad, and
you go on in the moment. But that's just like
a horse in a video game where you get attached
to it, right, So imagine if it's like in our
future when these things are gonna be way more realistic
or lively, It's like, that's gonna be such an interesting dynamic.
I think they throw this up here a couple of times,
but that's one where it's like, yeah, like that brought
me back to Red Dead when you're like, oh do
I do? I got someone to say my horse and
you gotta put out of your misery and like, oh man,
like I spend like eighty hours with this horse and
I got it stats up, like this sucks, and now
I gotta start over with a different horse. And now
we're just gonna do a scarier version of that. But
anything else before we go episode by episodes and spoilers
and whatnot.
Speaker 2: M No, it's just spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're gonna break it down. So we're gonna
go episode by episodes. So if you've seen a couple
of them, we're gonna go on order. So if you've
seen you know, we're talking about the discords. Some people
see it as some people see them. All you can
listen to it come back. If you've seen all We're
gonna break them all down, so we'll be right back,
and we are backs. We'll start with episode one, Common People,
when a medical emergency leads a school teacher Amanda, fighting
for her life. Her desperate husband Mike, signs her up
for Rivermind, a high tech system that will keep her alive.
This one's starring Rashia Jones and Chris O Doubt. And
I can't remember. I don't Yeah, they were great, And
then I can't remember the other the woman that plays
like the the Rivermind exact. But she's in a show
too that's like a pop TI. Yeah, I'll get her
name because she's good, Tracy l Ross. She I canmera
what a show she's in. But she's in is it?
I want to say it's Blackish, that's the one. It's
like a poplayer. It's been going for it's been going
for eight years, one hundred and seventy six episodes.
Speaker 2: So can remember what I've seen her in. I've definitely
seen her in something, but I haven't seen that show,
so I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what it is. Yeah, I'm not sure what else
she would have been in that we would have seen,
but h yeah. Either way, what did you think of
this episode here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I to me, this is like a perfect episode
one because this felt like very much back to formula level,
like black mirror stuff, you know, a concept that feels
pretty tangible. It never it you know, goes off the
rails and gets elevated, but like it always feels like
it still is like believable to some extent. Of course,
it gets a little absurd in the fact that you
cast like people who are naturally or like who are
often like comedic roles too, you know, they kind of
make it a little bit more playful than I guess
the subject matter is at times, but obviously it is
a super super dark one. But man, just such a
such a great, like simple concept here of like you know,
someone's brain like because of an accident, car accident, just
not not function anymore. And then like you know, a
company swooping in and like, okay, we can we can
fix this problem. But rather than just being like a
one time thing, how can we like make this person
dependent on us for the rest of our lives? And
I was even getting to the point of like, man,
is this company like trying to cause accidents in the world?
So that people like need this surgery to get more
users in there because they can get like so much
from each particular one. So obviously, like just that that
initial hook is so freaking good, and it starts out
and like you know, that kind of believable territory, but
it's still like quite a lot of money, and then
it just gets to the point where it's just absolutely
ridiculous and but feels very realistic, just based on like
how some of these fucking corporations work in the world
right now and just gouging people, you know, obviously, like
the state, like what it's like in the States right now,
even for people who are like diabetic and stuff, it's
very similar to this. It's like so rough, and so
I think this being like the little more heady sci
fi concept is like really really well done.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I had that epiphany, because like, no country, you,
no city, town, whatever is perfect, right, But for the
most part in my life, like like I've never had
cosmetic surgeries. So I don't know why I said that,
but I just be like I've never had gotten injured
or family it person gotten injured and then had to
really worry about, you know, healthcare here in Canada, right,
that's more for other things. There might be something addition
to that, might be some things if someone gets injured
where it's like, you know, a wheelchair things like that,
but the sense of you know, I've been shot, please
give me surgery and I go, oh, you know, like
I'm like, oh, that could be scary the way, like
what if they were to invent something and that's how
it's done, And it's like I kind of forget about
like that's how it's in the States, right, Like if
you don't have money.
Speaker 2: You just have to decide like how do I want
to call an ambulance and risk my life? And then
all this like that's that's crazy, yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's where stuff. It's like it's just because I've
grown up with it. It's just naturally like Okay, at Canada,
our health care is paid. In America, it's not, and
he's like, Okay, that's the way it is. But you
don't even think about, like why is it that it's
And it's like a longer like bread and butter conversation,
but it's like why is it that people have to
pay to be like get saved if they physically have
the technology? Or the tools to say a person if
they have the tools, like hey, I have some sort
of cancer, could you give me chemo? Yes, I could
for this amount of money. So it's like this seems
like at first it's like, oh, this is something you
could do, but it's like this is already happens multiple
places around the world, right of like oh, well we
could help you. Bet it's gonna be an extra this,
or it's gonna be this, or you're gonna have to
go into debt or spend your life savings. And even
the thing which is so dumb, but even the thing
that the guy did, like the dummies for dumb or whatever,
the cash like might key eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dumb dummies. I think it might have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sound like it's an only fans, but for
people that like are into saw where it's like they
pay you to like do dumb stuff or embarrassing stuff.
And even today on my timeline, I saw some streamer
being like he's paying people to like he's waterboarding himself,
and the more money he gets, he'll do like longer
sins of the water. So it's like, oh my god,
Like literally I just watched this up so last week
I'm seeing some guy do this stuff, and it's like
that's the stuff where it's this mix of it's things
that are coming, but it's still things that are happening
right now, and that should be a thing, right, should
just make if we have the tools to save somebody,
shouldn't we just save them? You know, shouldn't we just
find a way to make them healthy? Because like that's
the most important part is living. And of course we
understand like things cost money and everything like that, but
there should be a way to reroute like, hey, people
get the medical help they need. That should be the
free thing and let's figure out everything else around the way.
But it's not. And that's what this episode was, and
that's where it's a great wave. Like also it's like
a good just like if you want to look at
surface level, it's very much just like an app or
a streaming service. Right we tubbles in geek for salt time,
where it's okay, I had Amazon Prime, but now it's
like Amazon Prime, but now there's ads on there. Right,
Even Disney Plus has been like, oh, well, there's gonna
be some programs that are gonna have ads no matter what,
because that's just the way deals we have where it's like,
but when this started, it was this is the premium tier.
This is the tier where you get oh no ads. Right,
So even from like a little standpoint with video games,
like what are the end video games? We always people
bitch about with the transaction. Yeah, with that, like I
feel like on just a surface level, you know, every
day life thing. We see it all the time with
apps and everything, and that's a very you know, on
the point conversation. Right now, we just don't think about
it because it's just like Netflix or anything like that.
But it's like, imagine if it was your health right
of like oh yeah, you can have this, but now
for an additional thousand dollars you can have this. And
it's not even that they had the baseline service. Now
the baseline service is shitty because like the Amanda's saying
ads when she doesn't want yeah, or she's telling this
kid to go find Jesus, and it's like that's not
what they want at all because you're a school teacher.
So it's interesting concepts.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then just like actively tanking her
brain by like Okay, we're gonna use your brain to
like power our services. And so now you have to
sleep for fourteen hours a day unless you subscribe to
this higher model, like just so brutal, like that, that
level of control they have over her life. And then yeah,
like bringing in the micro transaction stuff later where it's
like they can really only afford like an hour of
this thing, the Premium Plus service whatever it's called, which
literally just gives you a slider where you can just
like pick your emotions. At that point, it's like, I
feel like the episode like didn't need that extra bump
to like I don't know hit home what it was
doing perhaps, but I think that, you know, was a
kind of it was almost like a separate blackbre episode
in one where you can just like actively change. I
feel like we seen an episode like that.
Speaker 1: We have Well that's what I was gonna say. I
get what they're going for, because it's kind of like, Okay,
at this point, you're living it, but to be alive,
you're not yourself anymore, right, You're just somebody to the
highest here. It's almost like you're on drugs, right, because
it's just like, yeah, here's a drug to change your
state of mind. To me, it was very similar to
the the I think it's season two, the Hailey at
Well Domino Gleason episode when her husband dies and she
gets like that life model decoy of him, but she
he just does whatever she says, right, So it's like, Okay,
he has some emotions like my husband, and he looks
like my husband. But it's like even when they're fighting,
she's like, you know, yeah, they have a fight, and
he'll just say, Okay, you're right, but she's like, I
don't want you to be right. But it's like, oh, but
I'm programmed to say what you are, So that's what.
Speaker 2: That when even when they're when they're having sex and
like she's you know, obviously because her dials turned up,
she's having a great time. But Tim, it's like this
is so unnatural and so weird, like this you're not
you anymore, so it like takes you out of the
whole thing. So yeah, just fuck such a such a
great classic black episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it ends in a sad way. I
was kind of surprised that they had to killer. I
thought that you could just may just let this just
just stop paying the subscription. I thought she was just
gonna naturally pass, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess right, it's probably in the contract
that you like literally cannot turn it off. I guess
it must.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess.
Speaker 2: They do if you just don't pay for a couple months.
But that's what they probably just make it so awful.
They just like can continue messing with your brain. They
can like mind control you to go to the bank
account and like to pause at money or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like a walking billboard or whatnot. Or
you're just asleep all the time, which is pretty much
just you'd be back in the Comato state, right or so, Yeah,
it's kind of keeping you awake, which we get later on.
So what did you think about the dummies for dummies
portion of this? That's how he's making money. Eventually some
people from work find out and then accidentally, I guess
he didn't kill the guy, but the guy gets probably
a life altering injury, look like his leg was ran
over by the struck and probably not like could have
been gone or whatnot. But they fire him. And then
again another sad part of this episode, his wife goes
they have like at least a nice moment. He gets
her thirty minutes of the plus description and then he
goes back because he probably has no more money. He
goes back to doing this, and now it's kind of
I feel like that's a very sad route where he's
gonna go because he has no one to kind of
she was always trying to tell him, like, don't do that,
don't go there.
Speaker 2: Wrong. At least he like has money now, I guess, yeah,
he can do something to rebuild his life somewhere else perhaps.
Speaker 1: But if that's his only job, now that's the worry,
right if if if your pure job is just dummies
for dummies, I guess you could be on money, but
you're doing a lot of embarrassing or hurtful things, like
he's like right mouse trapping his tongue and he's burning himself.
Speaker 2: I think he's just got to move to a new city,
and now he can do that because he's not tethered
by it. That was another thing we have him talked about.
I guess is that you like, the service only works
and select areas unless you upgrade, so you just can't
leave the area or you'll, yeah, you just go comatose
in that moment again. So yeah, I think that stuff
was like a little bit goofy, But at the same time,
like you know, you're casting, Like I've only seen this
guy in Bridesmaids. I've never seen anything else. But I
really like him in Bridesmaids, and I'm like, I want
to see him other stuff. And he has like I
think he's in like Thoor or two for like five
minutes or something like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Pippen's like she's trying to move on.
Speaker 2: From Thor so she's.
Speaker 1: Like the boyfriend. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like him. I think he's a funny guy.
So he makes those scenes work. It is. It is
a little goofy, and maybe I don't know, it takes
away from like the seriousness of the episode, but I
guess it's good to have a couple moments of levity there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought they had good chemistry too, because
like that's the thing where it's these sometimes are movie length, right,
but sometimes they're not. So it's still like I imagine
a smaller shoot than movie, maybe some less pret time.
And it's not a TV show where're like medium getting
multiple seasons. You just thrown together and be like, hey,
guys are madly in love all this and whatnot. And
it works pretty well here. So I think they you
felt when it was all going downhill, and I think
they did the despair really good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think my last note here one kind
of small little connected I like the because, as you mentioned,
like uss cause whre we finally got like a sequel episode.
But there are so many other little connections. I like
that when she's doing like where she jones her character
in her teaching her class, so she's like teaching the
kids about like these robotic bees and how they work.
And that was like a season two episode right about
the robot bees or something like that. So yeah, I
don't really remember the details of that episode because it was
on a little connection point.
Speaker 1: No, it was her at one point they were talking
about the bees and then they the ad was for
a b like gimmick cereal like a taste test or thing.
And then see in the episode two it was they
were taste testing. They're like, oh, we've also done these
brands and it was like the bee honey nuts. So
they did the same cereal that she was advertising and
everything like that. So that's what it was. Yeah, So yeah,
no good episode. Anything else say on this one?
Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Bet noir beat Noir how to cause it's like bee
but the e has like a little arrow point. Maybe ye, yeah,
your son more. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I forget what it means though, I Noir is just black,
but I can't remember what is that is it? Maybe
it's mirror. Maybe that's just mirror, black, mirror and friends.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it could be there you Go, which
is not like a French like a complete French episode,
like not subtitle, not at all. So I don't know
with is Kim Maria unnerved when her former schoolmate Verti
joins the company she works at, because there's something altogether
odd about Verti, something only Maria seems to notice. This
for me was my least favor episode of the season.
Great setup, great half back half did not like at all.
I didn't like the resolution for kind of multiple things,
the device of how these problems were occurring, and even
just like the last shot of the show or like
the episode just kind of like, oh all right, So
this is definitely one that when we're talking about those
tier systems, if we had a tier again, I would
never call this like a bad episode. I think it's
there's some really good beats in here. There's some fun moments.
I don't know if I've ever seen a bad Black
Mere episode where like, oh, I would fail it by itself,
but if there's a bottom tier, this might be one
that's in it. But nothing against the actors. I liked
all the crew in here. There was something fun, like
what the F moments? But again, when it's the reveal
the magic trick, Okay, what is the F moment, It's like, ah,
that's too not high concept for me, but high concept
of what I like with Black Mirror and the tech. So, yeah,
how did you feel about this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, exact same exact same boat as you. There,
just uh went a little bit. Yeah for me that
I could not possibly conceive of that it's just too
it's too unrealistic. It made no sense. It's too bad
because I really was loving the first half of the episode.
I think it's really hard to get like cringe right
in shows sometimes because it's like, yeah, it's so cringeing
you just don't want to watch it. But like this
is like that good cringe. Like every time I'm just
like pulling my hair out of like, oh this is
so awkward for her, I feel so bad, like she's oh, yeah,
let's go look at my email. She's so overconfident, she's
so cocky, so arrogant, and like I shouldn't have any
sympathy for it, but it's just so cringey that I,
you know, I want her to be because I'm seeing it.
I'm seeing the word her on her email there and
then we like get it all there. But yeah, I guess, like, fuck,
this lady goes on it becomes like the Queen of
the Impress of the Universe and stuff, and then she's
like still is like caught up about like this one
rumor that she like jerked off a professor in college
or something like that. I don't know, can't she just
like do in one button, just like get these people
out of her life? Or I guess that's the thing
is like you as the person controlling it, Like there's
a weird thing of like the people in the world
all accept everything that's happening right the alternate universe, but
then like it seems like sometimes our protagonist character would
be like part of that, but like seemed like she
kind of was included on everything that was happening. So
I guess I was also a little bit confused about
like the specifically at the end when she gets control
of it, and then it just I don't know, it
just kind of shattered a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the whole deal, is this character. Yeah,
she sees the old school for a friend, and you
kind of already can pick up Okay, she probably bullied
her or something like that, right, Like they get that
very early on. To me, it's like, Okay, that's gonna
be the story here. And it was, and the idea
is our what was the main character's name? I forgot it? Maria.
She keeps kind of getting embarrassed at work because it'll
be like, oh, this is Barney. They're something like advertising
for her chicken shop, right, and it was Barney's versus
what was.
Speaker 2: The act Bernie's and Barney's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bernie's and Barney's right, And she's like, no, I
swear is this My boyfriend worked here for years, But
everybody else says no, it's Bernie's. And then she looks
online and it says it's Barney's and whatnot. I don't
know the confusion either way. There's at first, just little
stuff that you could make it. At first, I go, okay,
is that do we have like an unreliable narrator situation
where she's actually lost her mind and it's just she
is the crazy one. But no, what it is is
somebody has this device, and like Dylan said, yeah, it's
someone that started a rumor that she had sexu relations
with her teacher that she liked and then it kind
of ruined her high school graduate years. Right. But she
has some device where at any moment, if she puts
her two fingers on it's like a necklace, chain lock
or whatever, puts her fingers on it and says a command,
it'll pull from some multiverse or somewhere. This says this,
So some multi instead of Bernies that does say Barnes
and some multiverse where Maria's wearing a yellow shirt, she's
wearing a purple shirt. And I guess it's just kind
of like I think there's only few like gaud tier
things in like video games, movies and TV shows I
can enjoy because it's just like well then it's just
like everlasting, and even then too, when they try to
set these things kind of in the similar world and
it's O kay, you're telling me this locket where at
the end she's the master of the universe. It's like,
that's that's the same episode as you know, the one
we just talked about with the app and the whatever.
Like it's just it's just and I know they don't
do they just do those more for fun, like connections
is not maybe all connected in like an MCU sort
of way, but it was just too much of a leap.
And then, like I said, I can't talk because maybe, hey,
I never had a rumor like that about me in
school spread and may ruin my life. So maybe if
that did happen to me, may it would just sit
with me. But I guess I'm coming with you, Tail.
I just think if I got this thing where I
could do whatever, and I guess you did try to
say that, it just had a sense of fakeness to it.
So that's why that was fake. But the real stuff
that ha happened to her just clinged on. But again
it's like, well, it's just a multiverse, right, so in
this multiverse has happened to you, But in different multiverse
you could do something. I don't know. It was just
so hard for me to completely bind to do all
the stuff that I'm gonna go back and make these
people kill themselves. Now it's like all right, like I
I guess, like that, that's what you can do. I guess,
And I just didn't get invested in it, or at
least the follow up on them. Yeah, just the actual
gear was it didn't interest me. I kind of lost
interest once I heard. And it's not just because we've
talked about that sometimes MCU and other comic stuff like Okay, multiverse,
We've had a little bit enough of it. It's just
that in this sense, it's just too it's too much.
It's just what is our characters supposed to do? And
I guess, Hey, granted she did she killed Verity and
got the device, but again it felt a little easy
as well too, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. Yeah, I think, you know, with knowing
the ending of mine, it kind of makes the rest
of the episode less satisfying in hindsight. But like, I
don't know, the scene, the milk scene when they're like
just the two of them are in the kitchen. She
missed her meeting because you know, the thing wasn't in
her calendar, of course, and then Verity just like drinking
the milk like a fucking super villain, dropping it on
the ground and like blaming her and like let's look
at the camera. Yeah, let's look at the camera then
go through. This whole thing was just super fun. So
I think like that was another thing with this episode two.
I actually just liked like the dynamic around the office.
I think the setting was fun too, like, oh, these
are like food engineers and we're talking about like ooh
like putting like wasabi in this like chocolate bar to
get like this extra kick and kind of has a
delayed reaction. Like I kind of just really liked the
setting of it and the main actress, Sienna Kelly who
plays Mariette, Like, I don't think I've seen her anything before,
but I thought she was great. I thought she was
really outstanding here. I'm excited to see her and some
other stuff. I feel like that's what a lot of
Black Mirror has been for me, is like, Oh, here's
an actor I've never heard of. They do a great
job and I can't wait to see them and other stuff.
And then like obviously the show's gotten big enough that
a lot of those people now it's like Okay, we
can go recruit big actors. But I still like that
they do have some kind of like maybe she's not
a no name, but she's no name to me, and
now I want to go see like other stuff that
she's capable of. So yeah, I just really liked everything
about the setting of it.
Speaker 1: It was just and I do like that because I
feel like, maybe there's one other episode where there was
a character actor that way, but all the rest episodes
were all pretty big stars, and I'm I like, I
don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing Paul Gmani
or you know, Christian Maloney come back, but there is
something where it's like, ah, like I didn't enjoy. I'm
not gonna say more, but there was something fun about
the Black Mirror episodes in the past because Danny Kalua
to me was just knife throat guy and then now
he's Daniel Kalula. Right, you don't bring that baggage of
an actor. We're there. I just saw those actors and
those characters were. Now you kind of like, Okay, I
haven't a sense of who Paul Gmonni is and I
kind of know what he's gonna bring to right, you know,
it's so great, you know, but I agree with you.
There she was great, and yeah, all those scenes still
play well. Even when she's like, oh, I have a
nut allergy. What's what's an energy? No? Like nut allergy?
I'll search you up and then yeah, and then it's like,
are you looking for not allergic? It's like no, Like
so I agree with you that the scenes in a
Vacuum are great and all done. It's just when you
think of the ending are kind of kind of I
won't say ruined a bit, but definitely tainted. So anything
else in that one mm hmm. Next episode, Hotel Reveri
Reverie Reverie, a high tech, unusual immersive remake of a
vintage British film since Hollywood a list star Brandy Friday
into another dimension where she must stick to the script
if she ever wants to make it home. Man, that
sounds like a Goosebump's book, Like just like that tagline there.
But what did you think about this episode? Is the
halfway point? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I well, first of all, I I did you watch
these episodes in order?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I feel like I don't normally do the
black mirror. I'm like, what's my vibe right now? Or
maybe I just look at the run time too. I'm like,
I think I have time for like a thirty seven
minute right now, and so Reverie. I watched Reverie last
night and then US has Calister today, So I like
I stacked the long ones to the end, which maybe
wasn't great, but you know, just trying to watch these
episodes is whenever I could kind of thing. But this one,
I think we're on the same page with this based
on our overall thoughts that this need to get like
fifteen minutes chopped off of it, and I think it
would have been a great episode because it is a
really good concept. There's some fun stuff in there, but
I also think there's like it just gets dragged on
a little bit. I think a little bit of the
acting is not great, honestly from the main the main
character Serie. Yeah, and I like, I don't blame her
too much, like it seems like a very hard role
to portray, but I just there was somebody about the
believability of it or her reactions that just were not
cutting it for me. I think specifically once she gets
into the into the simulation. I think everything before that
is fine, totally acceptable, but when we're in there, yeah,
just something about her reactions aren't great. I think it's
Emma Corn right who plays the Uh yes, I guess
like the love interest. I such a joy to see
them in there, especially you know after Dead pul Wolverine,
Like hey, what what can this what can this actor do?
And like, yeah, I'd get them in here. Was was
really exciting, But yeah, the main actors didn't really do
it for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think Kirkland I think he's watched
The Crown. I never have, and I've had like a
vague interest because there's always great actors in the Crown,
like Matt Smith and uh oh, I can't Elizabeth de
Becky like that, she's that really like tall actors. And
I'm pretty sure there's a season where Michael C. Hall
like Dexter plays like John F. Kennedy or something. So
I've always a kind of interest. But I know Emma
Corn's in there, I'm like, I feel like I gotta
watch that show. And even then, I'm not like a
Pride and Prejudice guy, but I know their cast and
the main role of that, and Emily's a big fans
But I think I'm gonna watch it because everything I
see Corn in and they were great and os for
auto as well, like small role, but everything's like they
just have such a good dynamic and they have what
very few actors do now and you can't teach that
at all. When they're filming this character in the old
and age scenes, they fit right in. You go like
I could believe you would be in a black and
white vintage film where like it's a ray doesn't have that,
and that that's the tough thing where it's like you
feel like she should maybe once she gets there, kind
of have that because this thing like this another one
where I think this concept episode is really really cool,
and I think that maybe they should have tried to
people might have not liked this, but maybe try to
make this more comedic overall, I think, because I feel
like they're trying to balance it to be very funny
at times but then like very dramatic like she might die.
But maybe I just would have said, like go more
shticky and you can have the love angle in there,
just because what I like the concept of. I don't
like the concept because this is really much playing up
on we top on like the podcast where like AI
and all this stuff in movies and what you could do.
So the concept is Okay, we want to remake this movie.
We feel people wouldn't watch unless we get a big star,
So instead of redoing the whole movie, let's just put
a star in there, which people kind of do that
with deep fake stuff already, right, But for me, it's like,
once it got to like, oh and if we don't
get her out, she's gonna die, I was like really
like that, Like that feels like a big jump from
where just.
Speaker 2: Because there's no rehearsal. It's like, you guys are really
putting a lot of faith in this actress. You've never
worked with it before.
Speaker 1: And at that point, if it's like if the options
are we gotta spend and I get the idea is
they don't want to spend too much money on like
a director and a set and everything, right, so it's
just like I can film a mo Let's say I filmed.
Speaker 2: And it's not like they were evil either, like they
didn't want to kill her or anything like that. They
were just like I guess, amateurish, I guess.
Speaker 1: Is and I didn't even need that. Just have the
machine glitch and say like, hey, we can't get her
out and they don't wanna do that. But I just
feel like if there's any inkling of, hey, if this
goes wrong off script, she could die, then I've already
kind of unbought on the machine. I would think anybody
in the right mind would go, Okay, maybe we just
still make movies the old way until we figure this
machine out, Like who would just like test run, like, well,
we're gonna put her in there. And so I think
there was just like I said, either they could have
gone way more over the top or then reeled it
back a little bit of just hey, she's stuck and
we're trying to get her out. And that's where because
you have the same effect right of she doesn't die,
nothing happens there, it's she falls in love with this
movie character and does don't want to be taken out.
You could have that same effect if it's just all
the machine is stuck and we can't pull her out.
We're working on it, right, And then there's that intrigue
of is she gonna die? Is she gonna go to
a coma? Is she gonna maybe like lose some of
her memories? But none of that really happened. So I
just feel like they were trying to make it like
a very like some of these Black Mirror episodes have
those intense like stakes, and I think they're trying to
bring that to this and I don't think they did.
But I think it was a fun episode and a
fun concept, but it did. Yeah, like you said, going
too long. I just think kind of the execution of
the concept wasn't the greatest. But I think they had
good chemistry. I liked the love story. I liked that
idea of the reset and how fun that was. And
I do like the ending of her talking to like
some sort of AI version of the actress to try
and find some sort of remembrance. I think it's also
tough too when they have Emmicicorn's character realize that they're
an actress. It's like the Robert Downey tropic thunder thing,
right of like an actress with an actress. It's weird
when they kind of get all these memories of what
they went through in real life and it's like, well,
this this movie character shouldn't have that right when they're
thinking about, like, well, the actor my co star, he
was kind of a jerk and he grabbed my ass
and like, oh, well I was a lesbian on the
outside and I killed myself because the pressure like like
they that that the movie character is alive, they shouldn't
have any of those memories whatsoever. So I feel like
that's like my problem was the rules on the machine
just kind of felt like there would do whatever the
plot needed them too, So that kind of made me
check out a little bit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's and I kind of like the the
weird thing with the concept for me was like, Okay,
so the idea here is that they want to remake
old movies in like a cheaper, a cheaper way, but
like they're only going to recast one person that was
weird to me. Yes, like because like no one else
in the world, like Emma corn I forget the name
of the Let me look on the website here, what
was the name of that character? Yeah, see if I
can find it, make it easier to talk about this.
But it's like it's like no one else other than
this like actress who loves old movies and knows who
this person is anymore. And it's like it sounds like
it was an actress who like died too young and
like probably didn't have like this huge legacy or something
like that. Dorothy as the name of the character there. Uh,
but then I guess it is Dorothy the character's name
or the character within the movie's name.
Speaker 1: It gets I think Dorothy was the actress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like that seems like a weird choice.
Like you would think, Okay, at least recast your lead
one and lead to and then like you know, the
rest can be like the old the people from the
old movie. But then it like seems really odd because
as you mentioned, like the main character, she's not doing
like an old timey accent thing, but the rest of
them are all talking in that old Hollywood sort of way,
playing it up in that way. So I don't know,
I mean, I guess like this is still like a
proof of concept thing and they haven't figured it out yet,
and maybe that's where we can pass it off as like, oh, yeah,
this company that's doing this, like they haven't really done
this a whole lot yet, and so maybe they they
think this might work and be successful, and they're just like,
this is a cheap way to do it if you
only have to cast one person. I guess, but it
just kind of made the whole concept feel like a
little a little iffy, And I think I think what
you were mentioning there, Like there is a lot of
comedy in here, and I feel like they could have
played up some more of it. Like one of the
things I love it when we first are in the
simulation in the first few minutes and they're like, you know,
alian gets delivered the like explition, exposition delivered, backstory deployed.
Like it's almost like they're like a secret agent movie
of like just hitting these different beats, And I found
that part of it really fun. I think one one
thing that really stood out to me as like it
should have been a bigger moment than it ended up being,
was you know, at one point, the thing crashes after
the guy like spills his coffee on the machine, on
the computer, and then like the two main characters like
stuck in there what feels like days, maybe even weeks,
maybe not months yet, but like I'll say, like maybe
a couple of weeks or something like that, right, and
then like they reloaded the save, so Dorothy's character gets
like completely reset, and like they had bonded a tremendous
amount of that time. They kind of like fell in
love in that time, and I feel like are once
again I'm freaking forgetting how they name these characters Brandy.
I feel like Brandy just like was instantly back on
the job and like doing it. And I guess like
part of it was like she needs to get out
of here. But to me, it felt like she kind
of got over this person she just like fell in
love with, like just dying in front of her essentially,
and she was like right back in action and was like,
now weeks have passed and you still like perfectly remember
the lines. I mean, she was starting to like fudge
a little bit, but I don't know, just a lot
of things here that kind of didn't come together in
a super cohesive way for me, and.
Speaker 1: Even the stuff when they're like, oh well now this changed,
so we got a plot hole and it's just like
that's where it's like, this seems like this seems worse
than filming an actual movie in my opinion. I guess
it was just the day's work, but it just feel
like they're like, oh, well, we could try and do
this with the dog, and if not, we have to
start over. It's just like this feels like even though
it's like you can't program away, you can't program to
have That's what was odd. To me too, of I'm
supposed to believe all this tech they have, but okay,
you gotta get it right. It's like a play. It's
one take, go, Like how come she canna just screw
up the line that okay, we're just gonna rewind everything
come back like that to me is odd where you
can do that as editing, right, Like if I'm filming
something and then we stop and take a take, I
can put those two scenes together right now, like with
my sony camera and this, So the fact that you
couldn't just like we're just gonna rewind the AI people
like the movie and then do the scene again and
then go so it just again, it felt like they're trying,
we need some drama here, so let's do this where
all the dog died accidentally, so now we don't have
the poison and what do we do? It's just like okay,
And even then too, the whole ending changes right where
Dorothy sacrifices herself and and just like, how do you
know that's gonna be good ending? Like just it just.
Speaker 2: Feels yeah, like they have their like meters and stuff.
They're like, oh, romantic interest increasing or like tension dropping,
like all this kind of stuff. But yeah, yeah, it
feels like because you'd think that, like they would have
to make some other changes in the script, like maybe
even just at some point someone of the movie like
mentions that the main character is a man. You know,
like maybe they would have to tweak the dialogue a
little bit here or there. So you think there would
be like little things that would have to change just
based on like the new casting that they have done here.
But I guess we don't really like explicitly see any
of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they say, she as Raim says, they're like, oh,
how are they gonna react because you know, like I'm
not white, I'm not a man. They go, because that's
what's weird. They go, oh, well, we just programmed them
to they're just gonna react to the exact same way.
So if you can just program them to see a
completely new person and now changes from like a straight
relationship to a gay relationship, how can you program this
other stuff? I like, well, ensure that the characters always
do this, like they can't, because even then it feels
weird that the characters can now change scenes even though
they're on like a track. They're almost like if you're
on a Disney Park ride and you go by. If
one thing's not working, that doesn't mean the whole thing
is not. The rest of thing continues on as itself.
So like I said, it's one of those I think
it's better that if you don't think too hard about it.
And that's why I think I wish they would have
just kept leaning more into the U to the to
me excited, but I did because I was trying to
look up some things. When I look up the Dorothy name,
the same person that wrote sand Junipero wrote this, and
that makes a lot of sense because I could see
those and they like even then, like they called an
episode one the Lodge with send Junipara Lodge. I can't
remember the episodes, but there's two other times they said
Junipero and Emily's like, oh Junaparo, and they never tied
it all together. But I guess I'm not sure if
it's like a company or a.
Speaker 2: Person every episode written by Charlie though, or is it
like usually him and one of their person.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I think it's that
where there's like another person that comes on and does that.
So if it's that ad On person was I should
get their name, but of course I close the page.
But yeah, anything else to say on this.
Speaker 2: Episode A couple of quick hits. I mean, I'm a
I'm a big Aquafina fan. I just think she's so
fun and I had a really good time with her
in this. Of course she is like naturally kind of comedic,
but she is, like she's a really great actress. She
has a great range, so I liked her in here.
There was like the Streambery reference that we got, which
I think we've maybe even seen a couple of times now,
but just once again a little loose connectivity thing, and
I like that the exec guy that Aquafina was communicating
with at one point, he was just fucking playing Blotro,
which was crazy to me because most of the time,
and like whenever there's a video game scene in a movie,
like either they like made some janky video games so
they don't have to have like a copyright thing, and
it's like some it's always like a first person shooter
or something like that, or they'll take some really popular game.
But I don't think I've ever seen like an indie
game in here now. Obviously, Blotcher is like a huge game,
but also like came out like I don't know, like
last February or something, So I guess they filmed this. Yeah,
like I don't know, I guess that's not a weird
timeline for that.
Speaker 1: That just tells me Brooker who You're right, he did
write this as well, so because the article I saw
just said the writer says, and then when I clicked
it's like, okay, it's just like Charlie, like the creator
of the show, but he said it was a spiritual
successor that. But that just tells me he's probably just
a big fan. The same way with like how the
Russo is putting even though Fortnite was a bigger game,
it's still like they were massive Fortnite guys, right, so
they're like, oh, let's putting there. So that just tells
me Brooker was probably whether it's him or family member
son daughter was probably playing. They're like, oh, what's this?
Speaker 2: And I hope uh local thunks the developer got like
paid to have this in there because he's a he's
a great he's a great dude, seem.
Speaker 1: Would you though, like if if he Broker came to
you and said, Hey, Dylan, want to put one of
your games and you be like, ah, sure, like you
mightn't even accept the check, but yeah, just put me
in black mirror. You know, like probably would same thing
if he came me and say, hey, his character is
gonna be watching Adreno of Chrome in the background, Like yeah,
they have it. Don't don't give me a hey.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I hope he got paid because he's
just like a guy. He made it. He's made enough
money from Bilotro is his solo developer. He made millions
and millions of dollars. But you know he's a fellow
Canadian game developer. Yeah, solo guy. I listened to an
interview with him and one of his previous jobs was
he was a zamboni driver, which is really very classic
Canadian kind of thing to do origin story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else more, I think that's all. Next thing
is plaything in the near future London. An eccentric murder
suspect is linked to a usual video game from the
nineteen nineties, a game populated by a cute evolving artificial
life forms. And yeah, this is what I was referring to,
Like was making comparison to like the Red Dead Horse
to this, which It's interesting because the same thing of
like off cly the end they clearly reveal, which I
almost wish there's a way they didn't because I like
the idea of are these things real or is this
guy nuts? I'm gonna say one great episode or great acting. Wise,
I felt like the young version and the old version
just linked up completely. Well, there's so much content we
review where I was like, oh, you know, not a
one to one if okay, I can see this guy
grow up to be Peter Capaldi, and I thought he
played such a good, eccentric, weird cat like he was
just like it was fun watching him.
Speaker 2: Certain movie he had his long legs on for sure.
Speaker 1: For that absolutely had his long legs on. Yeah. So
uh yeah. It's one of these things where I really
liked the entire episode. It's tough because I know where
they ended and why, but it's almost like I wanted
a little more because it's just like it's a lot
of like wait till they see what happened. I can't
believe what's gonna happen, and it's just kind of left
up to your imagination. But I like the pacing of
the episode. You know, also we got the Banner snaps
connection with Will Polter coming back, and that was fun.
But again that was playing that AI thing of like okay,
until they would do the bigg reveal that this is
maybe some sort of weird ancient alien cultu or whatever
it may be. It's just like, Okay, this guy has
this little community here of these aliens, and then some
guy goes to plan his account and they kill everything, right,
And he's so connected to me because he says he's
having conversations that take seconds, but he feels like they
are week's worth of information given to him. He has
this bond and everything. So that's that same deal of
like kind of that what I said of the maybe
the AI and what's gonna happen if you grow to
you got to learn to take care of these things.
And literally when they come he gets back on there
like all these things are talking about like they're in
pain and they watch their family members die, Like all
these emotions that people in real life things should be
having are being put into these uh, these alien cute creatures.
So I really liked the episode. I think ending was
a little unsatisfied. I also really liked a lot of
the visual choices they made lots of the shoots, lots
of the cameras not shaky, but it feels like unbalanced
and just made you feel uneasy when Yeah, so I
liked that, and uh yeah, like I said, maybe I
wandered the episode's better if you don't reveal it, and
then if you do reveal it. I wanted a little
bit more but interesting episode. They definitely made me think
about some things and fun way to kind of link
in video games and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I liked this episode, but didn't love it.
I think like a little bit of the acting at
times maybe took me out of it. I think honestly,
the game itself was like a bit too cheesy. I
think I don't know what I would have wanted differently,
but I feel like most like nine percent of the
time when we saw the game, it was like the
exact same shot of like, okay, the little river on
the left side, like a couple of rocks over on
the right side, and it just felt like, I don't know,
for what is supposed to be such an expansive game
that kind of rights itself and creates its own thing,
I feel like we just ended up seeing like a
lot like the same stock footage over and over again,
which it's fair. I get it. We're making a TV
show here, not a video game, so they can make
some janky little thing and like against the job done
sort of. But yeah, I don't know, maybe as a
game where I wanted more of like the actual game,
to see a little bit more of it. But I
think the concept of this like genius genius game developer
who's like, I don't know, a bit of an oddball
at the same time, kind of creates this program that
can kind of create its own programs and create its
own thing in like a very immersive way, and it
kind of just spirals out from there. And then of
course once it like is able to get into like
a human's brain and then do all this other stuff
that like you can see how we go through there,
like think the little montage sequence where he like starts
out by griving like a PS one and a PS two. Yeah,
then eventually we get like a Nintendo switch in there,
where like getting all these different consoles, which that also
seemed like, you know, obviously we're dealing with a video
game here, so like they wanted to do a video
gaming thing there, but it seemed weird to me. It's
like the most powerful hardware at any given time. The
Nintendo Switch one of like the consoles that people say
is like one of the weakest consoles that we've had
in recent times. So hard to believe that is where
the most powerful processors are in the world. But I'll
take it just for like the you know, being on
the nose with the video gaminess of it. So yeah,
I enjoyed this episode, but I think, yeah, there's something
that needed to do to elevate a little bit more.
Maybe it was just like the cheesiness of it, But
I actually really did love the ending. To me, that
was like the perfect ambiguous ending. Uh I didn't I
didn't need any more. Did these throng thronglets kill everyone?
Or are are they about to reboot? When he like
throws the handout off for that, I think that's like
to me, that's like it's the perfect inception ending. I
think they like absolutely nailed that. So I really liked
that element of it. It's one of those things that
would be like, Okay, could this be in the rest
like it's this is in the world of bandersnatch at least,
but is this in the world of like the rest
of Black Mirror, because if this did just kill everyone,
then I guess this would be like the end of mankind.
But who knows. You know, that's where maybe we get
a sequel to play Things sometime in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder too, because I feel like I wonder
if we ever if we'll we'll Forte that's a whole
different episode. But I'll take him in a Black Mirror
thing too, if God will Poltz, if he ever gets
like a full episode, you know, because Banish Sentia. I
know he did a lot of takes, but we still
know so little about this character rather than he's just
like a programmer that's kind of eccentric, right, and he's
very he's eysentric, but he's also as so yeah, he's eccentric,
but he's also kind of intimidating and not scary. But
there's close to that. So I wonder what if that happens,
or he's just kind of a reoccurring, you know, anytime
they got a programmer episode out, let's get Poulter in
there because we can do that thread. So anything else
on Plaything, m all right, next episode is yule G
and isolated man is introduced to a groundbreaking system that
allows users to literally step inside old photographs, staring powerful
motions in the process. This was the one starring Paul Giamani.
What did you think about this one, sir?
Speaker 2: Another another great episode. I really really enjoyed this one,
and this one did not have that asterix on it.
I feel like I enjoyed everything about it, including the ending,
which is like, yeah, it pulled me out in some
of these other episodes, but yeah, like really fun concept
that has like a really cool slash like kind of
trippy slash like unsettling, uncanny visual to it of like
going into these photographs, but then like anything that is
not directly in frame becomes like a little bit polygony,
or like faces are just like completely not there or
you're just getting like smudges and whatnot. And like when
we finally got a shot where he went into one
of the pictures where he like intentionally like scribbled over
her face and there's just like this two dy like
game and watch like scribble animation that's just like statically there,
I think, is like perfect. So yeah, I really enjoyed
the the visual and like the classic black mirror like
tech element of this episode. But then I think where
it just like rises above it is just with like
the emotional side of it. And obviously there's like so
many layers to this. What starts out with like pretty innocent,
just like, yeah, let's just get a couple of nice
little memories in here, put it into this thing. But
like the way it just kind of continually evolves and
we just get deeper and deeper into this guy's psyche
and then eventually into like the handler's psyche realizing so
much about himself. Like I don't this episode just like
goes and goes and goes, and I feel like never
never lets up, and then it ends up having like
just a devastating ending as well. So I think this
is this is like a top tier black mirror.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, no, I agree with you. This
is one that I put in there that that'd be
in that top tier. Achalon Paul Gimillani always great. He's
such a talented actor who can get very big and ambrasive.
But one of my favorite movies from last year and
of this decade was as I'm forgetting the title of it,
It's a Chrystals over two years ago. I think at
this point, right, Okay, yeah, now it's two years jeez.
But that's another one where it's kind of an understand performance.
But I absolutely adore that movie. It's a watch Christmas
every year. So I like when he does these kind
of type of roles where he's kind of at any
moment you can see him kind of get worked up
as Paul Gimani, but he's kind of a recluse or
kind of holding some stuff back. But no, I think
this is the perfect episode of It's Believable Tech because
the way that we talk about when they're like, oh
you can like I think they've done a little bit,
but when it's like, oh, you can buy gogs and
go watch a concert, right and feel like you're actually
there and everything like that, like this idea of okay,
I have a photo of you know us in the
Custard home backing Geek forst Days and can you please
AI generate this to be like a three D module
I can walk through. That to me is not unbelievable
at that point. Obviously, it's different where they still have
like the similar game tech where it goes in your
head and you just like become a zombie. But I
feel like this type of stuff, or even walking through
a video game not that far off, so it's believable tech.
But I think it's also a thing where the best
Black Mare episodes are. It's using the tech to make
you kind of put a no punitent a mirror on
yourself in society where I think this is a good situation,
where I think this is something I've appreciated more when
I'm older now, not so much when I was younger.
I think it just happens in the time. But whether
it's a breakup or a friendship, or even a scenario
at work or with any sort of adult situation that
may happen in the past, we always think of ourselves
like as the hero, right, And that's what Paulgy when
he does in the episode where there's a breakup, he's
very sad. He finds out this person was passed away
because they lived together, he loved her and all this stuff,
but it's been a long time. It ended very poorly, right,
And one it's that thing of you if you have
a friendship or relationship that ends poorly, that's usually what
you mostly think about for the remainder of period of
times because you don't think about the good stuff, right.
So one, I liked that portion of the episode of
this progress trying to make them think like, hey, yeah,
it ended kind of in fire, but there were all
these times along the way that made moments for you
to remember, right. And two when he's like, oh, well
this happened, and the person that's the guy, it's like, yeah,
but have you ever looked at that this way? Or
what were you doing wrong? Or what do you say?
And you can't go oh yeah, yeah, where I feel
like yes, when we're younger, when it's happening to me,
it's like, yeah, you're always a hero. Definitely I was
in the right. But as you get older, either when
you look back her stuff or you try to approach nega, okay,
I can see how I was wrong or how that
played differently, or how maybe I should have thought about
this from their perspective and I didn't. So no, I
thought that was just a very you know, it's very
high tech stuff, but dealing with very human emotions that
everybody can relate to. Doesn't matter your wealth, your raise,
or sexual oribitation. Everyone's whether it's a friendship or relationship,
has been that situation where you think about a scenario
years later and you go, Okay, maybe now I wouldn't
react that way. But the sad part of it is
you can't go back, you know, like even this episode
Paul Pacimoni can get those memories back and see the daughter.
But at the end of the day, still that's the
way history is and you have to kind of live
with it and deal with it. So it's very touching
but sad ending at the end to see the daughter
and I call that. Me and Emily were taking guesses
of it was the daughter or his actual girlfriend that
was the guy, and I had a feeling it was
the daughter. So it's an AI version of the daughter,
but still fun fun nonetheless, but no great, fantastic episode.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean, I feel like this is
one of those things where you know, in like our
modern age, it's like this situation where like, oh, there
was a letter left in this room and I didn't
read it, and then I missed this person and like
what could it Like, you know, you're not gonna miss
the text, like maybe the text doesn't send. There's something
reason that can happen. But I feel like that setting
of this like really hit home but I feel like
it is still relatable. We'll probably have a couple of
moments like those in our lives where it's like, man,
I wonder what would happen if, like this one little
thing changed, if I won this knew this one little
piece of information, this one thing that was written down
and on note, or maybe it wasn't written on a note,
just in someone's head, but like how that could have
just changed the scope of everything like that that moment
is I mean one like his desperation when he's just
trying to like rip the note off the ground obviously
it's like stuck on there, and then he goes through
the whole thing, finds it. But like just the scene
of her standing in that alleyway, I think it's like
a little bit rainy outside, is like, yeah, just truly devastating.
But then I think it does have like as far
as Black Mirror goes that actually pretty nice happy ending,
it is still kind of devastating because he seems to
be like not super happy. He's on his own right,
so clearly his life has probably not gone on in a
way that he is super happy about. And even like
back it's like back in the day he was like
kind of a stud. He was a cool guy, had
all these friends, he had a very lively life, and
now he's just like a hermit on his own. But
like getting the scene at the end, finally seeing her
face was like a very cathartic moment playing the cello, which, obviously,
as the daughter was mentioning, was like such an important
part of her life that he, as you mentioned, like
just kind of pushed away because he was I don't know,
he was just you know, he was in his own world.
He was doing his own thing. He wasn't like paying
attention to her in the way he he should have
been or needed to. But yeah, I think just yeah,
super outstanding. Just every step of the way, every act
kind of crushed exactly what he needed to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's when I'm excited to return to in
the future. It's definitely in that rewatch and uh yeah
no it's and GIMMANI killed it there, So anything else in.
Speaker 2: That one, no, I think I'm good.
Speaker 1: And then finally we get to USS Calister into Infinity.
Robert Daly is dead, but now the crew of USS Calister,
led by Captain Nanette Cole, are stranded in the infant
virtually universe fighting for survival against thirty million players. What
do you think about this one? I think this one
was highly anticipated when we got the show because blackmun
are always anticipated. But second people start at seeing those
splate the space fleet costumes that the actual cast them back.
I felt like people are excited for the season, but
particularly this episode. Everyone was kind of holding their breath
on it, especially hopefully to be a good follow up too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I feel like for a lot
of people, Uss Couseer is just like a top three
black mirror I think, right, yeah, And it's been like
it was about three season three or four? Was that?
Speaker 1: I think it's four, I can confirm it.
Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, it's been it's been a while,
three seasons ago, a little bit older there was. By
the way, was with two seventeen? Was Plemons not announced?
The thing did I spoil it in the no spoilers
is that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't announced.
Speaker 2: I like at least like, okay, you get a flashback
or something, but yeah maybe maybe people. Yeah anyway, so
sorry if I spoiled that for anyone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think do you you learned pretty
early on because when they interview the main I'll get
the actors name and everything like that. When they interview
the business guy, they show photo of him and Robert
Daley as young and and uh, what's his name? Plemons
looks like he looks now. So that to me was
the tip off of Okay, he's coming back, because he
they would have they I don't think he just came
on set like hey, Jesse Can would get a photo
of you. I'm like, okay, they've filmed some stuff with him,
but yeah, continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I think this episode's very long. It
did feel like a movie in the way that like
it's about as long as Reverie a little bit Revery's
a little bit shorter, But that didn't really like feel
like a movie or is this actually felt like a
fucking movie, like in terms of the not just the
budget of it, but like the acts that we went on,
like the amount we get in the game, out of
the game, crazy reveals happening and like more reveals, more reveals,
and it like just seems to like never end, characters
coming back introducing some new stuff, like there there's just
so much going on here. I think it's a bit
of a mixed bag for me overall. Honestly, there's some
there's some great moments in here. I think specifically, like
it actually just picks up in like the second half.
But I think I did find the first half to
like drag a little bit where we're like, okay, we're
on we're the crew here, we gotta get some credits,
so it's go take out some people. And then you
have like the classic like cringey guy like in his
mom's basement, just like screaming, and you know, we get
a lot of these things going through the motions. But honestly,
for me, I don't want to like put anyone down
because everyone did a good job. I'm just such a
plumbin's head. I'm just I just love plumbing so much,
and so when we finally got just plumbings doing some
plumbing stuff, I was just eating it all up. So
I think it it definitely picked up as it went along.
I think it has a pretty a good but like
also kind of surprising and weirdly like comedic ending the
way they like played it too at the same time.
So I don't know, I guess yeah, overall, I'm feeling
a little mixed on it. I had a good time
with it, but I think for me, like the original
episode is like still that you know, top tier one,
and this I probably isn't in that same tier with it,
I guess, but I guess if you bundle them together,
it would still be like some of the best black
beer overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree that. Like the first ones, I'm
not gonna say leave some bounds, but it's to me
a clear number one, and it's such a cool, unique
idea even that way it starts. It just starts as
like I remember the pre for that episode was like, oh,
they're doing like a Star Trek episode. That's cool, and
then it like later on they were oh, it's a
game and all this stuff, so there was like a
good tint there. Crazy stuff, yeah, tons of stuff, but no,
this this one delivered. I actually would It's probably more
than near the bottom, but I would put this in
my top tier episodes as well. I really enjoyed this one.
I think it's just because I was, okay, how are
you gonna do this, and all the aspects made sense
of okay from the people in the game. Yeah, I
guess they actually need like for us, we get the
game currency to buy costume, buy this, but for them
they actually need this, like buy gear and food. So
I didn't think about like, oh, yeah, they live in
this world. It's not just because the end of USS
Counsels ends hopeful of all this cruise together and they're
finally got rid of Daily, right, so it's like it
must be all aces, but it's not because oh yeah,
we're we don't have a credit card in the outside.
Speaker 2: End on one life, so they could die and there's
like Metallica ships flying around like will take you out
in a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I thought that was fun, and I thought
all the ties to the real world was great. It
is great that they got everybody, but it was great
to have that. Okay, yeah, Daily's dead, but it's kind
of like, okay, well there's this very you know, shady
stuff that's found in his place, and you know, there's
shadyess around how the company was started and when you trust.
I got to get the characters' names here Walton because
he's the guy that's the bad CEO, right, but it's
that's the fun juxposition too, where he's bad CEO. But
then in the the space space Fleet world he's like
kind of a redeeming hero. We get this great sequence
where he's like turned into a cave man pretty much.
But I liked that. I love that they revealed that
the way of when we talk about like star Field,
like oh, this game just creates plants and stuff like that.
I love this twist of they've cloned this coder video
game guy and he's just locked away in the game,
just continuing working. He says he's been there for what
feels like five hundred years, and it's like, oh my god.
So I thought that was like a very clever way
because when they did the flashback, by okay, that's an
easy way to bring Plemmons back, right like talk give
him a scene there. But when it was oh, he's
got of like the mastermind of all this, and I
love that, Yeah, he seems like a good guy has
helped them out, and then he just has that one
slip of like yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna copy and
it's like, Oh, this guy's always just weird. And that's
what you talk about Plemons, Like, I feel like we
talked about it with Civil War, but I feel like
I have to when I talk about like the best
working actors, right now I gotta talk about him because
you think about Civil War this and like Game Night,
that's the same guy, and he's that does not feel
like the same person. He's a Swiss army and if
he can.
Speaker 2: Just for me the what is the name of the
Yorgost movie that came out last year?
Speaker 1: All kinds of kindness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you know, movie fine, incredible. He in
that movie is fucking outstanding and he's doing stories.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing he can just I don't think
we give him enough credit for like how much he
can do as an actor. I'm gonna start now. And yeah,
it was I agree with you that the episode was good,
but I think you needed that pick up to happen,
and I think, uh, the ending was very fun. To me,
I thought that was like a fun, clever way of
you kind of get what you want. I guess you're
alive and you're safe, but you're trapped in this weird situation.
But it looks like they're making a work at the end,
you know. But no, this to me, actually it did
deliver and I wish I don't think they would have
ever done this probably would have been a prophit, but
I actually wish I could have watched one of the
theaters because there's something that did feel like a movie
and I would have gone for this. I don't know
the time, Maybe maybe in retrospect I would have went
after because I need to see this episode in the theaters.
But it felt like they honestly could have released this
by themselves instead of a season. I think they could
have done like a we're doing a USS Callist or
black Mere episode, and you could have maybe gone even
more views that way, to like separate them. But no,
it was a it's a girth the episode, and I
really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, A good showed out. You had to
Walter there, the CEO, because I don't really remember him
much from the first episode. I haven't rewatched that in
a while. I did watch the recap here at the start,
so it kind of just catch me up with the
story a little bit. But yeah, like I said, I
didn't ever like I mostly just remember her name is
Kristin Milliah and and and Plumbings. Those are the ones
I really remember, like from that original episode. But I
think he really stepped it up, especially in that first
half where we didn't have like Plumbins back yet, so
we're just getting the rest of the people. But I like,
you know, how many movies and shows have we've seen
recently where there's just like city shitty ceo guy, Like
we just we see so many of those. But I
think he was still able to bring something like particularly
fun of this role. The comedic stuff and like I
don't know, just the little glances stuff. I like he
really chewed the scenery in a good way, just like
the way he would chew up that office scenery I
think was like perfect. So yeah, I really enjoyed that
part of it.
Speaker 1: When she's like teaching him how to play the game,
I thought that was some good comedy there. I'm like, oh,
what do you do? And when he gets say, oh,
that's awesome. Another comedic beat I really loved is at
the end when or like near the end, when Plemmons
again turns bad. He wants to keep her there and
they're finding everything like that and eventually gets the axe
ahead he's dead and then there's like a big like
earthquake and all the discs fall and just she's.
Speaker 2: Like just label your desks, you dig ahead, Like who.
Speaker 1: I really love that moment and I love the idea
of just putting that disc in and then it goes there.
But yeah, no, I like Jimmy Simpson. I saw him
once randomly, and I guess Stephen King think he's like
a side character. He was like this squirrelly, like paparazzi guy,
and ever since then, I've really liked him since like
the early two thousands, and he's never been in much.
But I thought even the when he was the cave
man and stuff that worked. I thought it was a
fun dynamic of them seeing each other. But then the
classic like, okay, there's a mix up of he's posing
as the other one and they figure that out because
the one guy goes to talk to me, he does
like a coffee order and he kind of doesn't even
think about it because he just thinks of people's nothing
like that one guy that quit. He's like trying to
get him up in the middle, and I did, He'll
give him a five grand whatever. And I really liked
the ending too of the game, just he's going out
of his way to destroy these people, but in doing that,
he destroys the game and all see all his money.
And that was the other when I saw Hi about
in the opening and other times this is another app
So that poses that like what do you do with
the AI that has a full conscience and they think
they're a person, right, because Walton's not wrong at all
when they get there and they reveal like he gets
the gun right and he's gonna take him out and
he shoots when he shoots like the jim Bro guy Carl,
and everyone's all shocked, and he's like, they're just video
It's just a video game. Like he looks at Ninette's
character of like, why are you obsessed with these people?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It'd be like us if we got put in like
Midnight Suns and we see all the heroes there and
they die, it's like, well, they're not real, they're just coded.
But to me, that was them also opposing that question
of Okay, these people are AI, they're cloning their credit,
but they're just a video game character. They're nothing. But
do they deserve to have a life, have an own universe?
Should we fight for them or should we just be
selfish and just cut them out and everything? So and
again I don't know the answer to that is that's
for everybody else, because you could just make the case yeah,
should I possibly risk my life for these people that
aren't even real? And even the person that had the
internet at the end, she had that choice right if
she could go into the Comoto's body or let the
crew die and even plans like oh they'll never know.
But it's that idea of well, I can't do that
to them. So I found it again interesting where the
the hotel episode, the video game episode. In this episode
where have things that were AI generated or computer generated
and people got attached them and it was about will
you or will you not help this thing that was created?
But they don't have a living body, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think the fun like imagery to of
like the comics. I forget the name of the comic,
but you know, space Fleet, Spacefly. There you go, Like
just all the kind of connections between that and how
Plemings was kind of like testing her in a way
that like happened in one of his favorite comics.
Speaker 1: Or would you watch the show? Don't? I don't like
old TV.
Speaker 2: Walter's at the end like looking down at that one,
it's like my universe has disappeared. Hit the game. Over
all that stuff, I thought that was really fun. I'm
maybe a little bit surprised, like, you know, obviously okay,
he Plumb's character. He was, you know, kind of unraveling,
like he's still not like a good guy, though he
will insist over and over again that he is. But
he said that he's been there for like hundreds of years.
Five I'm kind of surprised, Yeah, that he isn't like
more fried and unrecognizable, Like that is a very long
time to be just alone in a suburb with no
one else. And I guess maybe in theory you could
like create people. Based on the fact that he was
gonna like copy her and keep her there, it sounded
like there was no other people and he wasn't able
to do that he could just sit down there and
create worlds.
Speaker 1: I guess, am. I had this whole conversation because like
I get that he's there and he just loves to create,
and it's almost like he's programmed that way, like hey,
just great. But when he's like, oh, I'm just really lonely.
I've been here for so long and Walton doesn't come
back to check on me, and it's like he's kind
of like the god of this world. I thought, couldn't
he just like send her off me like, hey, I'm
gonna make a version of that girl, you know, but
maybe not. I guess maybe he has some limitations because
Walton did say that he put his consciousness there, so
maybe he did put something there where. Hey, he can't
create anything for him to interact with just for other people,
like a Wizard of Oz situation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know the exact rules, little complex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else in this episode?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I feel like there should be more, say,
but I don't know. I don't know what it would be.
So I think that's maybe it.
Speaker 1: No Visually good. I liked the that moment where that
girl kept trying to come back and kill them. Thought
that was a fun time to go the bigs. Good
stuff and uh yeah no, uh, I can't remember. Do
we ever rated these seasons before? I feel like that's
hard to do with these.
Speaker 2: Right well, I think the last couple of seasons I
probably was in my no ranking era. But I feel
like we usually ranked the episodes and then at the
rank the order of the episodes.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah we do? Okay, Yeah, do you get a ranking?
Speaker 2: Sure it's a little off the cuff, but let me go.
Eulogy number one. I'm going from top to bottom here,
and then common People number two. I think I'll go
play Thing number three, Callister number four. What's ball him
for me? This is tricky. I'm gonna go Bait Noir five,
and I'm actually gonna put Revery last, I think, just
because I I think i'd maybe want to rewatch. I
don't know if i'd want to rewatch Revery. That's tricky.
I don't know those two at the bottom two, I
guess help put it that way. And then overall ranking, fuck,
I don't know. I'll put a slap as eight on
this bad boy.
Speaker 1: I guess you're saying six there is not sure, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to rank like an anthology
show because you're taking six individual things.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think it for like a whole season,
like a nine, because I think I like Calister more
than you, so I was happy with that. But I'll
go I got You'll get one like you. I like
Calister at two, O the thanks and stuff. But I
think common People at three, and then play Anything at four,
and then I'd go Hotel five and then uh bit
in the War at six, just because I really don't
like the ending, I didn't like the multiverse stuff and
I didn't like the It's felt just underwhelmed. That's why
I didn't Common people I really liked, but the ending
I felt a little like just all right on. And
then we got that second episode, so I was starting
to warr as like, oh no, I'm not like loving
this season so far, but it all worked out. But
didn't know overall was great and I hope you know,
I'm excited for two years from now twenty twenty seven whenever,
if we get that exactly. I think this was the
kick in the pants that I needed, and I feel
like they produced some good episodes. I've always said too,
if you want to go back as the first two
episodes were just three seasons or three episodes, I've done
that before. I don't feel like you gotta do six.
Just put in the put in the good three, and
then come back another time. We'll always be waiting, you know.
Speaker 2: So did you say you did your rewatch recently or like.
Speaker 1: Last year last year? So I'd say in the fall
last year, I watched a good amount. But yeah, I definitely,
I'd say I watched about sixty five percent of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So is there any other off the top of
your head that you feel like you would want a
sequel four? Now that now that we've cracked open the
sequel gate a little bit with Callister.
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess the one even though I didn't like.
Actually I love the so it was my favorite last year.
I don't think it stopped here. I the one with
Josh Hartnett and Aaron Paul. I would because it just
ends with him killing that dude's wife and then the
end up in the spaceship together. I always feel like,
what would what's gonna happen next? Like when they land
back on Earth, like that whole situation. I don't know
if I need a sequel, but I think something back
in the sand June Apparel world. I wouldn't mind, like
maybe have those characters around, But uh, I don't know
if there's anything. I'm trying to do a quick look
of the episodes.
Speaker 2: But usually they are pretty like this is a fucking ending.
So usually I guess maybe uh, plaything you could You're
you're curious what's gonna happen there? But I don't know, Yeah,
the same thing. It's like a sequel, yeah, which is
like you just need five more minutes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like you even us a scalucer. That's
why for us it was like a strange like, oh,
they're doing a sequel to something they just never really
do that, you know. Uh, Like maybe it's stuff like
there's an episode with a Lapita nawonga like the Black Museum.
I think stuff like that where it's remember those episode
where a bunch of stuff from other episodes were in
the museum and it kind of tied.
Speaker 2: All together, isn't right? Not Lapita?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, let's just starting good black panther acting.
She should be. That'd be a great ire.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Black Black Museum, I think is what that
episode is called.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah, So stuff like that where maybe
more stuff that features the same tech but some do characters.
So yeah, cool, all right, that's it. Well we'll be
back and we did it a couple of years. We
did it.
Speaker 2: The Mirror Boys are back.
Speaker 1: There were back where we come out every two years,
but here they are. We'll be back then. Hope you
enjoy this view. Let us know in the discord, you know,
if you got anything ranking, yeah, ranking, you've got any
questions mark with some spoiler thoughts. So people don't see them,
but yeah, until two years from now, won't be boring.