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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Black Mirror Season

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seven full season spoils view. I'm the Captain dressed now

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: H who am I? I'm the common person Dyl.

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Speaker 1: My own person. There you go. I was gonna say,

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welcome back by cameraer the last time we've done this,

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but yeah, we've done a couple of these reviews. I

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can't remember when we started doing the seasons. I remember

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we did the seasons with whatever season was hanged the DJ,

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so I think it was either season three or four

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because I remember it being like the first.

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Speaker 2: See if a quick YouTube search can find this information.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember when Black Mirror because my favorite

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episode of all time sends you to peril to me

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like one of the best just media ever. I've said

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that all the time, right, I always praise that episode.

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I remember we the podcast was live, but we did that.

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I think that came out the time when our newscast

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used to just be we'd sit down and throw it

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a topic and then we would just all talk and

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sometimes be like anyone interested in this and what not.

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But that was one of those times where I think

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we talked about Black because I remember us talking about

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him on cast, but on like a review sense like

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this was back in the day when we were just

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do random reviews in the middle episode, not like highlight

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than anything.

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Speaker 2: So I think I see a review for four or five,

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six and bandersnatch, So I think, yeah, four was DJ

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think probably season three we found out

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that like other people watch them, even though I think

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just us.

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Speaker 2: I like our title for season five is Black Mirror

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out of Touch.

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Speaker 1: Because that's a take I had. That's a take. I well,

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I think I did, but I think you and I talked,

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but I thought we had several episodes that season that

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were just like very man.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea which episodes are in which season anymore.

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That's just my I'm not encyclopedic when it comes to

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Black Mirror. I'm no casual viewer at this point.

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Speaker 1: Because last year after and we'll get into the review here,

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last year whenever season six happened, right, and I remember

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being somewhat underwhelm with that season. I have seen a

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few episodes at that point over but i'd never done

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like a full rewatch. Now I still didn't do a

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full rewatch of Black Mirror. But I definitely watched all

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the episodes that I really enjoyed, and that's definitely messed

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me up of when I remember what is everything? Like

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I said, I can tell you San Juniper, I couldn'

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actually I can tell you. I couldn't. I had to

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be like, oh, it's either three or four. Like I

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feel that there's like the eras. All I can always

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know is like the episode ones or the season one stuff,

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because that was you know, it's only like three of them, right, yeah,

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and that's like the Pig one and.

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Speaker 2: The Treadmill one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right with Daniel Klua. Yeah, that's it. And

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I did go back and watch that. So that's how

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now I do Black Mary never watching seasons because I know, hey,

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there's an episode I really did enjoy. I'm not gonna

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watch this for an hour for like a kind of payoff, right,

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But but yeah, here we are, We're back season seven.

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We got some multiple like movie length episode. We got

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I'm not gonna say our first ever sequel, because I

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feel like Black mar has always played in the same universe,

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but this feels like the most like sequel sequel they've

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ever done. Where Yeah, we're doing a full follow up

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to Uss Cowister. But yeah, Dan, what did you think

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about this season? Seven? Six episodes? Got lots of stars

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in here, you know, h mccorn. You got Paul Gimani,

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he got Peter Capolti, he had u Chris O'Dowd, she

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Jones or Shea Jones. Yeah, I'm sure there's other people.

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Speaker 2: Boy back is he Maybe I saw him?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think about this season? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is definitely a step up for

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my brain has scrambled on what exactly happens in each one,

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that one, uh and maybe even the one before it.

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return to form to some way. I think I overall

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really enjoyed this season. There's a couple episodes that I like,

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mostly enjoyed, but like the ending wasn't super satisfying for me,

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or like the third act, I guess, And then a

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couple or like maybe just one episode that was like

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bit too long. I think it could have been one

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of my favorites. It was just like tightened up a

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little bit but overall, I think we get like some

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some pretty solid black Mirror stuff in here, some good

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the show. And I mean it does go like it's

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there isn't really just one thing that is a black

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was the case, but now it can be so many

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different things. But I feel like, for me, it's like, Okay,

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let's take some weird, freaky sci fi tech AI type concept,

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something that seems viable like within the next ten fifteen

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years of our real world, and let's put like the

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worst possible way that this could go in the real world.

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which I feel like we haven't maybe had super recently,

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I guess, so I enjoyed those. I think we did

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get some like really poignant stuff in there. There's a

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couple of times where it kind of feels like we're

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retreating the same ground certain AI things. That's like, Okay,

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feels like, But overall, I really enjoyed, over overall enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same as you, because I remember, I

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think last season. We were talking about like should this

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show and because it's not in the sense of I

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don't think even last year because I'm looking at the

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episodes we got Lassie's or so it's twenty twenty three,

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so it's been five years. So it was Joan is Awful.

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I can't remember that, the lady from Shit's Creek, but

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that was like the whole right, like they can take

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your look and do whatever they wearing. Yeah, there's lock

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Henry where there's like they're just investigating a serial killer

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and it's tied to the guy's family. Right, there's Beyond

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the Sea. That was that Jesse Plemon or Jesse not

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Jesse from Breaking Bad Aaron. Yeah, when they like had

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the hot Body host once and then he had Mazy

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then even seventy nine, which I barely remember a Meek

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sales listant As told she must commit terrible acts to

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prevent the disaster. Now I kind of remember. I should

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who's like very flash, he's playing like a demon. He

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has like a big get up. I guess I'll bring

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it up here. But I didn't rewatch that. I didn't

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rewatch that last year in my rewatches, but I should

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because this is the guy's playing the new stape and

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so there's like if you want some taste there was. Yeah,

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like range, he's kind of demon into sguise. And then yeah,

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little AI robot thing. Remember where Pop Singer got Striking Vipers,

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which I love. That's that fighting episode where they go

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in the game and like fall love Anthony, you know

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but then they start doing stuff with each other. Oh

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she is right, she's the fighter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that he plays as her or something like that.

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a round bandersnatch time, so maybe that's how they like

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the movie and then we made the show here.

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about the if there's errors, right, because I think one

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that show. It's a almost purely British show. It's just like,

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fours when you get like bigger celebrities, but it's getting

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more mainstream, and there's some really peak episodes in there,

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won't say hidden miss because the quality is always good,

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still very very good, but it felt like we're getting

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a lot of men and bandersnatch. I think we're all

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excited for we reviewed that, but I remember being kind

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of let down by that, which funny, we're gonna talk

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about that in this season. But no, this is the

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black Bear's back, Like this is like even the episodes

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of your thoughts sound very similar to mine. Where there's

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great concepts, but the back half for the ending is

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just feels very underwhelmed, like oh, this is a fantastic

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con set, but then once you get there, it kind

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tech episode, I'm like, this is just like too unbelievable

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grasp it really right. It's just it's not it feels

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too big. So I like when blackmir stays in that ball,

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like the all Timer. If I'm making a Black Mirror ranking,

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do that. If I have a tier list, I think

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there's two episodes here that are in the top tier list,

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which is great because yeah, for me, I don't think

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it was, it was just one and the rest where okay,

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they were fun, cool little concepts, will acted always well

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and even the episodes that had met ending, I still

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overall enjoyed them, except for maybe one I had very

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low tier, but no, this was this got me more

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excited for Black Mirror again. So the next time, you know,

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when season eight rolls around in two years and we

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back where before I just kind of thought I was

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getting let down and even at season six, like you

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real person. But they really put in that juxtaposition of

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we should feel, but I think they're trying to pose

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will be having that where it's like, hey, I have

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this Mike, Like, let's say your car. Let's say in

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ten years from now, they make cars more AI centrica

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and it has like a personality, right, So if your car,

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like you know, explodes or gets wrecked, are you gonna

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feel bad? Because like, oh, that's Jimmy. Like I talk

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to Jimmy every day about my kids or my job.

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in three episodes of Okay It's not real, but like

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really like, oh, like yeah, what do I do in

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that situation? You know, as a kind hearted person. So yeah,

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AI side of it, like the way I've seen it

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in this show is like, Okay, well, the tech is

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it's like, oh, yeah, these cop they're like copies of

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people are or you know whether they're like going into

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a thing, but it's like a complete one to one

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to someone like that is the same person, just without

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the physical body. But you're right, like that is something

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that I mean, just how much AI is progressing in

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the last like few months, let alone year, let alone

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like two years, three years, like it, it is pretty

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insane and saggering at the rate it's going at. And

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so it makes those some of those AI ones, which

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I guess, Yeah, when I was watching them, I'm like, oh,

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this is not really realistic, but I can see what

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the story is here. But you're like you're making a

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good point of like, yeah, maybe it's not so far

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away that we're at like this level of AI where

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it's like completely the same as a person like any

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any every perceivable way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like it's not and we'll get to

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that full episode, but like episode for play anything, and

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would be many people use this example in Red Dead

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of Redemption when you get a horse and you're with

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that horse for weeks and weeks and then something happens

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that horse I'll say it dies, You feel bad, and

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you go on in the moment. But that's just like

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a horse in a video game where you get attached

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to it, right, So imagine if it's like in our

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future when these things are gonna be way more realistic

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or lively, It's like, that's gonna be such an interesting dynamic.

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but that's one where it's like, yeah, like that brought

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me back to Red Dead when you're like, oh do

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I do? I got someone to say my horse and

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you gotta put out of your misery and like, oh man,

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like I spend like eighty hours with this horse and

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I got it stats up, like this sucks, and now

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I gotta start over with a different horse. And now

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we're just gonna do a scarier version of that. But

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anything else before we go episode by episodes and spoilers

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and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're gonna break it down. So we're gonna

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go episode by episodes. So if you've seen a couple

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of them, we're gonna go on order. So if you've

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seen you know, we're talking about the discords. Some people

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see it as some people see them. All you can

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listen to it come back. If you've seen all We're

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gonna break them all down, so we'll be right back,

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and we are backs. We'll start with episode one, Common People,

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when a medical emergency leads a school teacher Amanda, fighting

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for her life. Her desperate husband Mike, signs her up

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for Rivermind, a high tech system that will keep her alive.

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This one's starring Rashia Jones and Chris O Doubt. And

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I can't remember. I don't Yeah, they were great, And

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then I can't remember the other the woman that plays

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like the the Rivermind exact. But she's in a show

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too that's like a pop TI. Yeah, I'll get her

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name because she's good, Tracy l Ross. She I canmera

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what a show she's in. But she's in is it?

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I want to say it's Blackish, that's the one. It's

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like a poplayer. It's been going for it's been going

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for eight years, one hundred and seventy six episodes.

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Speaker 2: So can remember what I've seen her in. I've definitely

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seen her in something, but I haven't seen that show,

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so I don't.

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she would have been in that we would have seen,

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but h yeah. Either way, what did you think of

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this episode here?

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one because this felt like very much back to formula level,

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like black mirror stuff, you know, a concept that feels

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pretty tangible. It never it you know, goes off the

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rails and gets elevated, but like it always feels like

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it still is like believable to some extent. Of course,

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it gets a little absurd in the fact that you

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cast like people who are naturally or like who are

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often like comedic roles too, you know, they kind of

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make it a little bit more playful than I guess

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the subject matter is at times, but obviously it is

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a super super dark one. But man, just such a

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such a great, like simple concept here of like you know,

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someone's brain like because of an accident, car accident, just

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not not function anymore. And then like you know, a

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company swooping in and like, okay, we can we can

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fix this problem. But rather than just being like a

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one time thing, how can we like make this person

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dependent on us for the rest of our lives? And

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is this company like trying to cause accidents in the world?

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So that people like need this surgery to get more

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users in there because they can get like so much

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from each particular one. So obviously, like just that that

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initial hook is so freaking good, and it starts out

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and like you know, that kind of believable territory, but

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it's still like quite a lot of money, and then

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it just gets to the point where it's just absolutely

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ridiculous and but feels very realistic, just based on like

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how some of these fucking corporations work in the world

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right now and just gouging people, you know, obviously, like

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the state, like what it's like in the States right now,

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even for people who are like diabetic and stuff, it's

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very similar to this. It's like so rough, and so

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I think this being like the little more heady sci

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fi concept is like really really well done.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I had that epiphany, because like, no country, you,

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no city, town, whatever is perfect, right, But for the

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most part in my life, like like I've never had

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cosmetic surgeries. So I don't know why I said that,

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but I just be like I've never had gotten injured

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or family it person gotten injured and then had to

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really worry about, you know, healthcare here in Canada, right,

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that's more for other things. There might be something addition

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to that, might be some things if someone gets injured

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where it's like, you know, a wheelchair things like that,

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but the sense of you know, I've been shot, please

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give me surgery and I go, oh, you know, like

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I'm like, oh, that could be scary the way, like

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what if they were to invent something and that's how

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it's done, And it's like I kind of forget about

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like that's how it's in the States, right, Like if

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you don't have money.

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Speaker 2: You just have to decide like how do I want

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to call an ambulance and risk my life? And then

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all this like that's that's crazy, yeah.

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grown up with it. It's just naturally like Okay, at Canada,

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our health care is paid. In America, it's not, and

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he's like, Okay, that's the way it is. But you

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don't even think about, like why is it that it's

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And it's like a longer like bread and butter conversation,

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but it's like why is it that people have to

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pay to be like get saved if they physically have

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the technology? Or the tools to say a person if

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they have the tools, like hey, I have some sort

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of cancer, could you give me chemo? Yes, I could

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for this amount of money. So it's like this seems

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like at first it's like, oh, this is something you

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could do, but it's like this is already happens multiple

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places around the world, right of like oh, well we

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could help you. Bet it's gonna be an extra this,

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or it's gonna be this, or you're gonna have to

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go into debt or spend your life savings. And even

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the thing which is so dumb, but even the thing

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that the guy did, like the dummies for dumb or whatever,

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the cash like might key eventually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dumb dummies. I think it might have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sound like it's an only fans, but for

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people that like are into saw where it's like they

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pay you to like do dumb stuff or embarrassing stuff.

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being like he's paying people to like he's waterboarding himself,

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and the more money he gets, he'll do like longer

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sins of the water. So it's like, oh my god,

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Like literally I just watched this up so last week

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I'm seeing some guy do this stuff, and it's like

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that's the stuff where it's this mix of it's things

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that are coming, but it's still things that are happening

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right now, and that should be a thing, right, should

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just make if we have the tools to save somebody,

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shouldn't we just save them? You know, shouldn't we just

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find a way to make them healthy? Because like that's

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the most important part is living. And of course we

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understand like things cost money and everything like that, but

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there should be a way to reroute like, hey, people

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get the medical help they need. That should be the

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free thing and let's figure out everything else around the way.

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But it's not. And that's what this episode was, and

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that's where it's a great wave. Like also it's like

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a good just like if you want to look at

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surface level, it's very much just like an app or

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a streaming service. Right we tubbles in geek for salt time,

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where it's okay, I had Amazon Prime, but now it's

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like Amazon Prime, but now there's ads on there. Right,

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Even Disney Plus has been like, oh, well, there's gonna

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be some programs that are gonna have ads no matter what,

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because that's just the way deals we have where it's like,

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but when this started, it was this is the premium tier.

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This is the tier where you get oh no ads. Right,

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So even from like a little standpoint with video games,

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like what are the end video games? We always people

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bitch about with the transaction. Yeah, with that, like I

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feel like on just a surface level, you know, every

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day life thing. We see it all the time with

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apps and everything, and that's a very you know, on

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the point conversation. Right now, we just don't think about

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it because it's just like Netflix or anything like that.

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But it's like, imagine if it was your health right

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of like oh yeah, you can have this, but now

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for an additional thousand dollars you can have this. And

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it's not even that they had the baseline service. Now

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the baseline service is shitty because like the Amanda's saying

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ads when she doesn't want yeah, or she's telling this

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kid to go find Jesus, and it's like that's not

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what they want at all because you're a school teacher.

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So it's interesting concepts.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then just like actively tanking her

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brain by like Okay, we're gonna use your brain to

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like power our services. And so now you have to

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sleep for fourteen hours a day unless you subscribe to

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this higher model, like just so brutal, like that, that

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level of control they have over her life. And then yeah,

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like bringing in the micro transaction stuff later where it's

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like they can really only afford like an hour of

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this thing, the Premium Plus service whatever it's called, which

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literally just gives you a slider where you can just

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like pick your emotions. At that point, it's like, I

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feel like the episode like didn't need that extra bump

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to like I don't know hit home what it was

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doing perhaps, but I think that, you know, was a

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kind of it was almost like a separate blackbre episode

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in one where you can just like actively change. I

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00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,079
feel like we seen an episode like that.

474
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 1: We have Well that's what I was gonna say. I

475
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,640
get what they're going for, because it's kind of like, Okay,

476
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,960
at this point, you're living it, but to be alive,

477
00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:10,319
you're not yourself anymore, right, You're just somebody to the

478
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,359
highest here. It's almost like you're on drugs, right, because

479
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,160
it's just like, yeah, here's a drug to change your

480
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,400
state of mind. To me, it was very similar to

481
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,960
the the I think it's season two, the Hailey at

482
00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,240
Well Domino Gleason episode when her husband dies and she

483
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,880
gets like that life model decoy of him, but she

484
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,119
he just does whatever she says, right, So it's like, Okay,

485
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,319
he has some emotions like my husband, and he looks

486
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,519
like my husband. But it's like even when they're fighting,

487
00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,799
she's like, you know, yeah, they have a fight, and

488
00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:36,240
he'll just say, Okay, you're right, but she's like, I

489
00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:37,640
don't want you to be right. But it's like, oh, but

490
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,839
I'm programmed to say what you are, So that's what.

491
00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:41,759
Speaker 2: That when even when they're when they're having sex and

492
00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,759
like she's you know, obviously because her dials turned up,

493
00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:46,400
she's having a great time. But Tim, it's like this

494
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,759
is so unnatural and so weird, like this you're not

495
00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,000
you anymore, so it like takes you out of the

496
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,880
whole thing. So yeah, just fuck such a such a

497
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,559
great classic black episode.

498
00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it ends in a sad way. I

499
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,680
was kind of surprised that they had to killer. I

500
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920
thought that you could just may just let this just

501
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,880
just stop paying the subscription. I thought she was just

502
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,359
gonna naturally pass, but they didn't.

503
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess right, it's probably in the contract

504
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,519
that you like literally cannot turn it off. I guess

505
00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:13,319
it must.

506
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess.

507
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: They do if you just don't pay for a couple months.

508
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,519
But that's what they probably just make it so awful.

509
00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,359
They just like can continue messing with your brain. They

510
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,680
can like mind control you to go to the bank

511
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,839
account and like to pause at money or something.

512
00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like a walking billboard or whatnot. Or

513
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,720
you're just asleep all the time, which is pretty much

514
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,640
just you'd be back in the Comato state, right or so, Yeah,

515
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,000
it's kind of keeping you awake, which we get later on.

516
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,440
So what did you think about the dummies for dummies

517
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,079
portion of this? That's how he's making money. Eventually some

518
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,519
people from work find out and then accidentally, I guess

519
00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:48,759
he didn't kill the guy, but the guy gets probably

520
00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:51,519
a life altering injury, look like his leg was ran

521
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,480
over by the struck and probably not like could have

522
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,519
been gone or whatnot. But they fire him. And then

523
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:59,160
again another sad part of this episode, his wife goes

524
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,960
they have like at least a nice moment. He gets

525
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,880
her thirty minutes of the plus description and then he

526
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,519
goes back because he probably has no more money. He

527
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,200
goes back to doing this, and now it's kind of

528
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,160
I feel like that's a very sad route where he's

529
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,640
gonna go because he has no one to kind of

530
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,400
she was always trying to tell him, like, don't do that,

531
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:13,880
don't go there.

532
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: Wrong. At least he like has money now, I guess, yeah,

533
00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:20,799
he can do something to rebuild his life somewhere else perhaps.

534
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: But if that's his only job, now that's the worry,

535
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,279
right if if if your pure job is just dummies

536
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:26,640
for dummies, I guess you could be on money, but

537
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,640
you're doing a lot of embarrassing or hurtful things, like

538
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,240
he's like right mouse trapping his tongue and he's burning himself.

539
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: I think he's just got to move to a new city,

540
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,359
and now he can do that because he's not tethered

541
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,920
by it. That was another thing we have him talked about.

542
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,079
I guess is that you like, the service only works

543
00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:41,519
and select areas unless you upgrade, so you just can't

544
00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:44,440
leave the area or you'll, yeah, you just go comatose

545
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,519
in that moment again. So yeah, I think that stuff

546
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:48,519
was like a little bit goofy, But at the same time,

547
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,640
like you know, you're casting, Like I've only seen this

548
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,480
guy in Bridesmaids. I've never seen anything else. But I

549
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,039
really like him in Bridesmaids, and I'm like, I want

550
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:56,920
to see him other stuff. And he has like I

551
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,519
think he's in like Thoor or two for like five

552
00:22:58,599 --> 00:22:59,519
minutes or something like that.

553
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, Pippen's like she's trying to move on.

554
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: From Thor so she's.

555
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: Like the boyfriend. Yeah.

556
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like him. I think he's a funny guy.

557
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,039
So he makes those scenes work. It is. It is

558
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:11,640
a little goofy, and maybe I don't know, it takes

559
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,119
away from like the seriousness of the episode, but I

560
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,640
guess it's good to have a couple moments of levity there.

561
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought they had good chemistry too, because

562
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,119
like that's the thing where it's these sometimes are movie length, right,

563
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,319
but sometimes they're not. So it's still like I imagine

564
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,920
a smaller shoot than movie, maybe some less pret time.

565
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,839
And it's not a TV show where're like medium getting

566
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,799
multiple seasons. You just thrown together and be like, hey,

567
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,279
guys are madly in love all this and whatnot. And

568
00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:39,119
it works pretty well here. So I think they you

569
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,559
felt when it was all going downhill, and I think

570
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,720
they did the despair really good.

571
00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:47,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think my last note here one kind

572
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,839
of small little connected I like the because, as you mentioned,

573
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,960
like uss cause whre we finally got like a sequel episode.

574
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,160
But there are so many other little connections. I like

575
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,240
that when she's doing like where she jones her character

576
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,759
in her teaching her class, so she's like teaching the

577
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:02,839
kids about like these robotic bees and how they work.

578
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,720
And that was like a season two episode right about

579
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,160
the robot bees or something like that. So yeah, I

580
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,039
don't really remember the details of that episode because it was

581
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:11,039
on a little connection point.

582
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,519
Speaker 1: No, it was her at one point they were talking

583
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,079
about the bees and then they the ad was for

584
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,440
a b like gimmick cereal like a taste test or thing.

585
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,920
And then see in the episode two it was they

586
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,200
were taste testing. They're like, oh, we've also done these

587
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,359
brands and it was like the bee honey nuts. So

588
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,039
they did the same cereal that she was advertising and

589
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,680
everything like that. So that's what it was. Yeah, So yeah,

590
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:36,319
no good episode. Anything else say on this one?

591
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,799
Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't think so.

592
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: Bet noir beat Noir how to cause it's like bee

593
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:47,039
but the e has like a little arrow point. Maybe ye, yeah,

594
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,400
your son more. I don't know.

595
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: I forget what it means though, I Noir is just black,

596
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,119
but I can't remember what is that is it? Maybe

597
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,680
it's mirror. Maybe that's just mirror, black, mirror and friends.

598
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it could be there you Go, which

599
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,720
is not like a French like a complete French episode,

600
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:05,160
like not subtitle, not at all. So I don't know

601
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,079
with is Kim Maria unnerved when her former schoolmate Verti

602
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,559
joins the company she works at, because there's something altogether

603
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,640
odd about Verti, something only Maria seems to notice. This

604
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,599
for me was my least favor episode of the season.

605
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Great setup, great half back half did not like at all.

606
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,000
I didn't like the resolution for kind of multiple things,

607
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,440
the device of how these problems were occurring, and even

608
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240
just like the last shot of the show or like

609
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,599
the episode just kind of like, oh all right, So

610
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,079
this is definitely one that when we're talking about those

611
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,799
tier systems, if we had a tier again, I would

612
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:44,000
never call this like a bad episode. I think it's

613
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,960
there's some really good beats in here. There's some fun moments.

614
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,279
I don't know if I've ever seen a bad Black

615
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,400
Mere episode where like, oh, I would fail it by itself,

616
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,440
but if there's a bottom tier, this might be one

617
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,599
that's in it. But nothing against the actors. I liked

618
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,400
all the crew in here. There was something fun, like

619
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,880
what the F moments? But again, when it's the reveal

620
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,400
the magic trick, Okay, what is the F moment, It's like, ah,

621
00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:09,799
that's too not high concept for me, but high concept

622
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,880
of what I like with Black Mirror and the tech. So, yeah,

623
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,559
how did you feel about this episode?

624
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, exact same exact same boat as you. There,

625
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:20,680
just uh went a little bit. Yeah for me that

626
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,119
I could not possibly conceive of that it's just too

627
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,519
it's too unrealistic. It made no sense. It's too bad

628
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,759
because I really was loving the first half of the episode.

629
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:32,680
I think it's really hard to get like cringe right

630
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,359
in shows sometimes because it's like, yeah, it's so cringeing

631
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,039
you just don't want to watch it. But like this

632
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,400
is like that good cringe. Like every time I'm just

633
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,039
like pulling my hair out of like, oh this is

634
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,480
so awkward for her, I feel so bad, like she's oh, yeah,

635
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,839
let's go look at my email. She's so overconfident, she's

636
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,039
so cocky, so arrogant, and like I shouldn't have any

637
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:51,960
sympathy for it, but it's just so cringey that I,

638
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,279
you know, I want her to be because I'm seeing it.

639
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,559
I'm seeing the word her on her email there and

640
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,880
then we like get it all there. But yeah, I guess, like, fuck,

641
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:01,920
this lady goes on it becomes like the Queen of

642
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640
the Impress of the Universe and stuff, and then she's

643
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,599
like still is like caught up about like this one

644
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,880
rumor that she like jerked off a professor in college

645
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,599
or something like that. I don't know, can't she just

646
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,440
like do in one button, just like get these people

647
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,160
out of her life? Or I guess that's the thing

648
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,880
is like you as the person controlling it, Like there's

649
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,759
a weird thing of like the people in the world

650
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,079
all accept everything that's happening right the alternate universe, but

651
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,200
then like it seems like sometimes our protagonist character would

652
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,759
be like part of that, but like seemed like she

653
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,680
kind of was included on everything that was happening. So

654
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:37,519
I guess I was also a little bit confused about

655
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:40,599
like the specifically at the end when she gets control

656
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,160
of it, and then it just I don't know, it

657
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:44,839
just kind of shattered a little bit.

658
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the whole deal, is this character. Yeah,

659
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,359
she sees the old school for a friend, and you

660
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,880
kind of already can pick up Okay, she probably bullied

661
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,319
her or something like that, right, Like they get that

662
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,839
very early on. To me, it's like, Okay, that's gonna

663
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:58,799
be the story here. And it was, and the idea

664
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,640
is our what was the main character's name? I forgot it? Maria.

665
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,400
She keeps kind of getting embarrassed at work because it'll

666
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,519
be like, oh, this is Barney. They're something like advertising

667
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,079
for her chicken shop, right, and it was Barney's versus

668
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,519
what was.

669
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: The act Bernie's and Barney's.

670
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bernie's and Barney's right, And she's like, no, I

671
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:17,599
swear is this My boyfriend worked here for years, But

672
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,559
everybody else says no, it's Bernie's. And then she looks

673
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,640
online and it says it's Barney's and whatnot. I don't

674
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,960
know the confusion either way. There's at first, just little

675
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,839
stuff that you could make it. At first, I go, okay,

676
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,799
is that do we have like an unreliable narrator situation

677
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,480
where she's actually lost her mind and it's just she

678
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,599
is the crazy one. But no, what it is is

679
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,160
somebody has this device, and like Dylan said, yeah, it's

680
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400
someone that started a rumor that she had sexu relations

681
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,119
with her teacher that she liked and then it kind

682
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,079
of ruined her high school graduate years. Right. But she

683
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,480
has some device where at any moment, if she puts

684
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,400
her two fingers on it's like a necklace, chain lock

685
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,720
or whatever, puts her fingers on it and says a command,

686
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,960
it'll pull from some multiverse or somewhere. This says this,

687
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,440
So some multi instead of Bernies that does say Barnes

688
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,480
and some multiverse where Maria's wearing a yellow shirt, she's

689
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,559
wearing a purple shirt. And I guess it's just kind

690
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,599
of like I think there's only few like gaud tier

691
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,799
things in like video games, movies and TV shows I

692
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:13,759
can enjoy because it's just like well then it's just

693
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,359
like everlasting, and even then too, when they try to

694
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,200
set these things kind of in the similar world and

695
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,680
it's O kay, you're telling me this locket where at

696
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,359
the end she's the master of the universe. It's like,

697
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,759
that's that's the same episode as you know, the one

698
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,960
we just talked about with the app and the whatever.

699
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,799
Like it's just it's just and I know they don't

700
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,720
do they just do those more for fun, like connections

701
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:37,920
is not maybe all connected in like an MCU sort

702
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,720
of way, but it was just too much of a leap.

703
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,920
And then, like I said, I can't talk because maybe, hey,

704
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920
I never had a rumor like that about me in

705
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,640
school spread and may ruin my life. So maybe if

706
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,079
that did happen to me, may it would just sit

707
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,359
with me. But I guess I'm coming with you, Tail.

708
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,759
I just think if I got this thing where I

709
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:54,359
could do whatever, and I guess you did try to

710
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,480
say that, it just had a sense of fakeness to it.

711
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,720
So that's why that was fake. But the real stuff

712
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,640
that ha happened to her just clinged on. But again

713
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,359
it's like, well, it's just a multiverse, right, so in

714
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,599
this multiverse has happened to you, But in different multiverse

715
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,279
you could do something. I don't know. It was just

716
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,759
so hard for me to completely bind to do all

717
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,400
the stuff that I'm gonna go back and make these

718
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,400
people kill themselves. Now it's like all right, like I

719
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,960
I guess, like that, that's what you can do. I guess,

720
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,799
And I just didn't get invested in it, or at

721
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,000
least the follow up on them. Yeah, just the actual

722
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,599
gear was it didn't interest me. I kind of lost

723
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
interest once I heard. And it's not just because we've

724
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720
talked about that sometimes MCU and other comic stuff like Okay, multiverse,

725
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,359
We've had a little bit enough of it. It's just

726
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160
that in this sense, it's just too it's too much.

727
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,279
It's just what is our characters supposed to do? And

728
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,039
I guess, Hey, granted she did she killed Verity and

729
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,920
got the device, but again it felt a little easy

730
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,759
as well too, So.

731
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,599
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. Yeah, I think, you know, with knowing

732
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,039
the ending of mine, it kind of makes the rest

733
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,920
of the episode less satisfying in hindsight. But like, I

734
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,559
don't know, the scene, the milk scene when they're like

735
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,000
just the two of them are in the kitchen. She

736
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,400
missed her meeting because you know, the thing wasn't in

737
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,480
her calendar, of course, and then Verity just like drinking

738
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,240
the milk like a fucking super villain, dropping it on

739
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,279
the ground and like blaming her and like let's look

740
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:13,680
at the camera. Yeah, let's look at the camera then

741
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,799
go through. This whole thing was just super fun. So

742
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,920
I think like that was another thing with this episode two.

743
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,839
I actually just liked like the dynamic around the office.

744
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,519
I think the setting was fun too, like, oh, these

745
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,319
are like food engineers and we're talking about like ooh

746
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,799
like putting like wasabi in this like chocolate bar to

747
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:29,559
get like this extra kick and kind of has a

748
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,319
delayed reaction. Like I kind of just really liked the

749
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,839
setting of it and the main actress, Sienna Kelly who

750
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,200
plays Mariette, Like, I don't think I've seen her anything before,

751
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,640
but I thought she was great. I thought she was

752
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,920
really outstanding here. I'm excited to see her and some

753
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,720
other stuff. I feel like that's what a lot of

754
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,319
Black Mirror has been for me, is like, Oh, here's

755
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,279
an actor I've never heard of. They do a great

756
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:47,799
job and I can't wait to see them and other stuff.

757
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,440
And then like obviously the show's gotten big enough that

758
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,200
a lot of those people now it's like Okay, we

759
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,039
can go recruit big actors. But I still like that

760
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,559
they do have some kind of like maybe she's not

761
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:56,960
a no name, but she's no name to me, and

762
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,119
now I want to go see like other stuff that

763
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,599
she's capable of. So yeah, I just really liked everything

764
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:02,880
about the setting of it.

765
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: It was just and I do like that because I

766
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,599
feel like, maybe there's one other episode where there was

767
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680
a character actor that way, but all the rest episodes

768
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,839
were all pretty big stars, and I'm I like, I

769
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,519
don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing Paul Gmani

770
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,960
or you know, Christian Maloney come back, but there is

771
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,440
something where it's like, ah, like I didn't enjoy. I'm

772
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,119
not gonna say more, but there was something fun about

773
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,000
the Black Mirror episodes in the past because Danny Kalua

774
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,839
to me was just knife throat guy and then now

775
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,440
he's Daniel Kalula. Right, you don't bring that baggage of

776
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,839
an actor. We're there. I just saw those actors and

777
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,119
those characters were. Now you kind of like, Okay, I

778
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,359
haven't a sense of who Paul Gmonni is and I

779
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,799
kind of know what he's gonna bring to right, you know,

780
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
it's so great, you know, but I agree with you.

781
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:46,200
There she was great, and yeah, all those scenes still

782
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,559
play well. Even when she's like, oh, I have a

783
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,279
nut allergy. What's what's an energy? No? Like nut allergy?

784
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,799
I'll search you up and then yeah, and then it's like,

785
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,279
are you looking for not allergic? It's like no, Like

786
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,680
so I agree with you that the scenes in a

787
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,960
Vacuum are great and all done. It's just when you

788
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960
think of the ending are kind of kind of I

789
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,039
won't say ruined a bit, but definitely tainted. So anything

790
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,000
else in that one mm hmm. Next episode, Hotel Reveri

791
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,000
Reverie Reverie, a high tech, unusual immersive remake of a

792
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,680
vintage British film since Hollywood a list star Brandy Friday

793
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
into another dimension where she must stick to the script

794
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,559
if she ever wants to make it home. Man, that

795
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,640
sounds like a Goosebump's book, Like just like that tagline there.

796
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,480
But what did you think about this episode? Is the

797
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,319
halfway point? Yeah?

798
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: I well, first of all, I I did you watch

799
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:36,880
these episodes in order?

800
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:38,119
Speaker 1: I did?

801
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,839
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I feel like I don't normally do the

802
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,119
black mirror. I'm like, what's my vibe right now? Or

803
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:44,680
maybe I just look at the run time too. I'm like,

804
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,200
I think I have time for like a thirty seven

805
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,200
minute right now, and so Reverie. I watched Reverie last

806
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,000
night and then US has Calister today, So I like

807
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,519
I stacked the long ones to the end, which maybe

808
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:57,240
wasn't great, but you know, just trying to watch these

809
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,160
episodes is whenever I could kind of thing. But this one,

810
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,079
I think we're on the same page with this based

811
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,839
on our overall thoughts that this need to get like

812
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:06,519
fifteen minutes chopped off of it, and I think it

813
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,239
would have been a great episode because it is a

814
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,679
really good concept. There's some fun stuff in there, but

815
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,199
I also think there's like it just gets dragged on

816
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,960
a little bit. I think a little bit of the

817
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,159
acting is not great, honestly from the main the main

818
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,039
character Serie. Yeah, and I like, I don't blame her

819
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,880
too much, like it seems like a very hard role

820
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,760
to portray, but I just there was somebody about the

821
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,320
believability of it or her reactions that just were not

822
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,599
cutting it for me. I think specifically once she gets

823
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,679
into the into the simulation. I think everything before that

824
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,119
is fine, totally acceptable, but when we're in there, yeah,

825
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,239
just something about her reactions aren't great. I think it's

826
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Emma Corn right who plays the Uh yes, I guess

827
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,280
like the love interest. I such a joy to see

828
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,079
them in there, especially you know after Dead pul Wolverine,

829
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,000
Like hey, what what can this what can this actor do?

830
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:54,960
And like, yeah, I'd get them in here. Was was

831
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,559
really exciting, But yeah, the main actors didn't really do

832
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:57,960
it for me.

833
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think Kirkland I think he's watched

834
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,800
The Crown. I never have, and I've had like a

835
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,039
vague interest because there's always great actors in the Crown,

836
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,480
like Matt Smith and uh oh, I can't Elizabeth de

837
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,719
Becky like that, she's that really like tall actors. And

838
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,639
I'm pretty sure there's a season where Michael C. Hall

839
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480
like Dexter plays like John F. Kennedy or something. So

840
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,159
I've always a kind of interest. But I know Emma

841
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,159
Corn's in there, I'm like, I feel like I gotta

842
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,159
watch that show. And even then, I'm not like a

843
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,480
Pride and Prejudice guy, but I know their cast and

844
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,559
the main role of that, and Emily's a big fans

845
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,880
But I think I'm gonna watch it because everything I

846
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,280
see Corn in and they were great and os for

847
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,679
auto as well, like small role, but everything's like they

848
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,360
just have such a good dynamic and they have what

849
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,920
very few actors do now and you can't teach that

850
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,519
at all. When they're filming this character in the old

851
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,320
and age scenes, they fit right in. You go like

852
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,880
I could believe you would be in a black and

853
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,679
white vintage film where like it's a ray doesn't have that,

854
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,559
and that that's the tough thing where it's like you

855
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,360
feel like she should maybe once she gets there, kind

856
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,960
of have that because this thing like this another one

857
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,159
where I think this concept episode is really really cool,

858
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,639
and I think that maybe they should have tried to

859
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,239
people might have not liked this, but maybe try to

860
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,360
make this more comedic overall, I think, because I feel

861
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,119
like they're trying to balance it to be very funny

862
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,239
at times but then like very dramatic like she might die.

863
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,320
But maybe I just would have said, like go more

864
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,719
shticky and you can have the love angle in there,

865
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,159
just because what I like the concept of. I don't

866
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:25,920
like the concept because this is really much playing up

867
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000
on we top on like the podcast where like AI

868
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:29,760
and all this stuff in movies and what you could do.

869
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,079
So the concept is Okay, we want to remake this movie.

870
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480
We feel people wouldn't watch unless we get a big star,

871
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,079
So instead of redoing the whole movie, let's just put

872
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,559
a star in there, which people kind of do that

873
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,159
with deep fake stuff already, right, But for me, it's like,

874
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,239
once it got to like, oh and if we don't

875
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,039
get her out, she's gonna die, I was like really

876
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,559
like that, Like that feels like a big jump from

877
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:49,199
where just.

878
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: Because there's no rehearsal. It's like, you guys are really

879
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,760
putting a lot of faith in this actress. You've never

880
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,639
worked with it before.

881
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: And at that point, if it's like if the options

882
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,400
are we gotta spend and I get the idea is

883
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,519
they don't want to spend too much money on like

884
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,360
a director and a set and everything, right, so it's

885
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,920
just like I can film a mo Let's say I filmed.

886
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: And it's not like they were evil either, like they

887
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,360
didn't want to kill her or anything like that. They

888
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,079
were just like I guess, amateurish, I guess.

889
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 1: Is and I didn't even need that. Just have the

890
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,719
machine glitch and say like, hey, we can't get her

891
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,920
out and they don't wanna do that. But I just

892
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,760
feel like if there's any inkling of, hey, if this

893
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,760
goes wrong off script, she could die, then I've already

894
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,320
kind of unbought on the machine. I would think anybody

895
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,519
in the right mind would go, Okay, maybe we just

896
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,440
still make movies the old way until we figure this

897
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,719
machine out, Like who would just like test run, like, well,

898
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,559
we're gonna put her in there. And so I think

899
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,280
there was just like I said, either they could have

900
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,280
gone way more over the top or then reeled it

901
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,760
back a little bit of just hey, she's stuck and

902
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,559
we're trying to get her out. And that's where because

903
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,559
you have the same effect right of she doesn't die,

904
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,320
nothing happens there, it's she falls in love with this

905
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
movie character and does don't want to be taken out.

906
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,239
You could have that same effect if it's just all

907
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,760
the machine is stuck and we can't pull her out.

908
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
We're working on it, right, And then there's that intrigue

909
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,800
of is she gonna die? Is she gonna go to

910
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
a coma? Is she gonna maybe like lose some of

911
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719
her memories? But none of that really happened. So I

912
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,159
just feel like they were trying to make it like

913
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,239
a very like some of these Black Mirror episodes have

914
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400
those intense like stakes, and I think they're trying to

915
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,880
bring that to this and I don't think they did.

916
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
But I think it was a fun episode and a

917
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,320
fun concept, but it did. Yeah, like you said, going

918
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
too long. I just think kind of the execution of

919
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,199
the concept wasn't the greatest. But I think they had

920
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,480
good chemistry. I liked the love story. I liked that

921
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,599
idea of the reset and how fun that was. And

922
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,760
I do like the ending of her talking to like

923
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,840
some sort of AI version of the actress to try

924
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,760
and find some sort of remembrance. I think it's also

925
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,639
tough too when they have Emmicicorn's character realize that they're

926
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,519
an actress. It's like the Robert Downey tropic thunder thing,

927
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,320
right of like an actress with an actress. It's weird

928
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,360
when they kind of get all these memories of what

929
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,079
they went through in real life and it's like, well,

930
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,480
this this movie character shouldn't have that right when they're

931
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,320
thinking about, like, well, the actor my co star, he

932
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,159
was kind of a jerk and he grabbed my ass

933
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:07,880
and like, oh, well I was a lesbian on the

934
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,199
outside and I killed myself because the pressure like like

935
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,280
they that that the movie character is alive, they shouldn't

936
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,760
have any of those memories whatsoever. So I feel like

937
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,880
that's like my problem was the rules on the machine

938
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,199
just kind of felt like there would do whatever the

939
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:24,199
plot needed them too, So that kind of made me

940
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,519
check out a little bit.

941
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's and I kind of like the the

942
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,400
weird thing with the concept for me was like, Okay,

943
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,880
so the idea here is that they want to remake

944
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,199
old movies in like a cheaper, a cheaper way, but

945
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,920
like they're only going to recast one person that was

946
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,599
weird to me. Yes, like because like no one else

947
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,960
in the world, like Emma corn I forget the name

948
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,000
of the Let me look on the website here, what

949
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:48,920
was the name of that character? Yeah, see if I

950
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,719
can find it, make it easier to talk about this.

951
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,920
But it's like it's like no one else other than

952
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,320
this like actress who loves old movies and knows who

953
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,480
this person is anymore. And it's like it sounds like

954
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,719
it was an actress who like died too young and

955
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,280
like probably didn't have like this huge legacy or something

956
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,760
like that. Dorothy as the name of the character there. Uh,

957
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,119
but then I guess it is Dorothy the character's name

958
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:09,320
or the character within the movie's name.

959
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: It gets I think Dorothy was the actress.

960
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like that seems like a weird choice.

961
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,880
Like you would think, Okay, at least recast your lead

962
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,039
one and lead to and then like you know, the

963
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:22,559
rest can be like the old the people from the

964
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,840
old movie. But then it like seems really odd because

965
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,719
as you mentioned, like the main character, she's not doing

966
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,920
like an old timey accent thing, but the rest of

967
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,239
them are all talking in that old Hollywood sort of way,

968
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,039
playing it up in that way. So I don't know,

969
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,360
I mean, I guess like this is still like a

970
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,920
proof of concept thing and they haven't figured it out yet,

971
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,239
and maybe that's where we can pass it off as like, oh, yeah,

972
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,519
this company that's doing this, like they haven't really done

973
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,440
this a whole lot yet, and so maybe they they

974
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,800
think this might work and be successful, and they're just like,

975
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,239
this is a cheap way to do it if you

976
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,280
only have to cast one person. I guess, but it

977
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,199
just kind of made the whole concept feel like a

978
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,360
little a little iffy, And I think I think what

979
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,039
you were mentioning there, Like there is a lot of

980
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,280
comedy in here, and I feel like they could have

981
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,440
played up some more of it. Like one of the

982
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,079
things I love it when we first are in the

983
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,719
simulation in the first few minutes and they're like, you know,

984
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,159
alian gets delivered the like explition, exposition delivered, backstory deployed.

985
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,360
Like it's almost like they're like a secret agent movie

986
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,519
of like just hitting these different beats, And I found

987
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,440
that part of it really fun. I think one one

988
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
thing that really stood out to me as like it

989
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,880
should have been a bigger moment than it ended up being,

990
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,320
was you know, at one point, the thing crashes after

991
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,719
the guy like spills his coffee on the machine, on

992
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,000
the computer, and then like the two main characters like

993
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,440
stuck in there what feels like days, maybe even weeks,

994
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,599
maybe not months yet, but like I'll say, like maybe

995
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:37,519
a couple of weeks or something like that, right, and

996
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,920
then like they reloaded the save, so Dorothy's character gets

997
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,559
like completely reset, and like they had bonded a tremendous

998
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,039
amount of that time. They kind of like fell in

999
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:48,360
love in that time, and I feel like are once

1000
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,719
again I'm freaking forgetting how they name these characters Brandy.

1001
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,920
I feel like Brandy just like was instantly back on

1002
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,559
the job and like doing it. And I guess like

1003
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,320
part of it was like she needs to get out

1004
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
of here. But to me, it felt like she kind

1005
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,599
of got over this person she just like fell in

1006
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,320
love with, like just dying in front of her essentially,

1007
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:06,239
and she was like right back in action and was like,

1008
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,920
now weeks have passed and you still like perfectly remember

1009
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,039
the lines. I mean, she was starting to like fudge

1010
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,239
a little bit, but I don't know, just a lot

1011
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,639
of things here that kind of didn't come together in

1012
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,880
a super cohesive way for me, and.

1013
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,039
Speaker 1: Even the stuff when they're like, oh well now this changed,

1014
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:21,519
so we got a plot hole and it's just like

1015
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,800
that's where it's like, this seems like this seems worse

1016
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,719
than filming an actual movie in my opinion. I guess

1017
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,320
it was just the day's work, but it just feel

1018
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,840
like they're like, oh, well, we could try and do

1019
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,159
this with the dog, and if not, we have to

1020
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,159
start over. It's just like this feels like even though

1021
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,559
it's like you can't program away, you can't program to

1022
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,360
have That's what was odd. To me too, of I'm

1023
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,199
supposed to believe all this tech they have, but okay,

1024
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,000
you gotta get it right. It's like a play. It's

1025
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,159
one take, go, Like how come she canna just screw

1026
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,960
up the line that okay, we're just gonna rewind everything

1027
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,320
come back like that to me is odd where you

1028
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,440
can do that as editing, right, Like if I'm filming

1029
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,559
something and then we stop and take a take, I

1030
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,840
can put those two scenes together right now, like with

1031
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,039
my sony camera and this, So the fact that you

1032
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,239
couldn't just like we're just gonna rewind the AI people

1033
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,719
like the movie and then do the scene again and

1034
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,800
then go so it just again, it felt like they're trying,

1035
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,800
we need some drama here, so let's do this where

1036
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
all the dog died accidentally, so now we don't have

1037
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,360
the poison and what do we do? It's just like okay,

1038
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,079
And even then too, the whole ending changes right where

1039
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,280
Dorothy sacrifices herself and and just like, how do you

1040
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,480
know that's gonna be good ending? Like just it just.

1041
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,639
Speaker 2: Feels yeah, like they have their like meters and stuff.

1042
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,280
They're like, oh, romantic interest increasing or like tension dropping,

1043
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,280
like all this kind of stuff. But yeah, yeah, it

1044
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,159
feels like because you'd think that, like they would have

1045
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,079
to make some other changes in the script, like maybe

1046
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,000
even just at some point someone of the movie like

1047
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,239
mentions that the main character is a man. You know,

1048
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,079
like maybe they would have to tweak the dialogue a

1049
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:42,559
little bit here or there. So you think there would

1050
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,440
be like little things that would have to change just

1051
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,719
based on like the new casting that they have done here.

1052
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,519
But I guess we don't really like explicitly see any

1053
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:50,159
of that stuff.

1054
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they say, she as Raim says, they're like, oh,

1055
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,360
how are they gonna react because you know, like I'm

1056
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
not white, I'm not a man. They go, because that's

1057
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,840
what's weird. They go, oh, well, we just programmed them

1058
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,800
to they're just gonna react to the exact same way.

1059
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,519
So if you can just program them to see a

1060
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,519
completely new person and now changes from like a straight

1061
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,639
relationship to a gay relationship, how can you program this

1062
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,239
other stuff? I like, well, ensure that the characters always

1063
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,800
do this, like they can't, because even then it feels

1064
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,480
weird that the characters can now change scenes even though

1065
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,480
they're on like a track. They're almost like if you're

1066
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,039
on a Disney Park ride and you go by. If

1067
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,400
one thing's not working, that doesn't mean the whole thing

1068
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,440
is not. The rest of thing continues on as itself.

1069
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:29,440
So like I said, it's one of those I think

1070
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,760
it's better that if you don't think too hard about it.

1071
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,199
And that's why I think I wish they would have

1072
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,239
just kept leaning more into the U to the to

1073
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,840
me excited, but I did because I was trying to

1074
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,159
look up some things. When I look up the Dorothy name,

1075
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,280
the same person that wrote sand Junipero wrote this, and

1076
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,119
that makes a lot of sense because I could see

1077
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:48,199
those and they like even then, like they called an

1078
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,679
episode one the Lodge with send Junipara Lodge. I can't

1079
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,880
remember the episodes, but there's two other times they said

1080
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Junipero and Emily's like, oh Junaparo, and they never tied

1081
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,280
it all together. But I guess I'm not sure if

1082
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,360
it's like a company or a.

1083
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Person every episode written by Charlie though, or is it

1084
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,400
like usually him and one of their person.

1085
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I think it's that

1086
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,320
where there's like another person that comes on and does that.

1087
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,719
So if it's that ad On person was I should

1088
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,519
get their name, but of course I close the page.

1089
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,920
But yeah, anything else to say on this.

1090
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: Episode A couple of quick hits. I mean, I'm a

1091
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
I'm a big Aquafina fan. I just think she's so

1092
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,519
fun and I had a really good time with her

1093
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:27,880
in this. Of course she is like naturally kind of comedic,

1094
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,840
but she is, like she's a really great actress. She

1095
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,119
has a great range, so I liked her in here.

1096
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,119
There was like the Streambery reference that we got, which

1097
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:37,760
I think we've maybe even seen a couple of times now,

1098
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,199
but just once again a little loose connectivity thing, and

1099
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,480
I like that the exec guy that Aquafina was communicating

1100
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,840
with at one point, he was just fucking playing Blotro,

1101
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,079
which was crazy to me because most of the time,

1102
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,239
and like whenever there's a video game scene in a movie,

1103
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,639
like either they like made some janky video games so

1104
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:55,119
they don't have to have like a copyright thing, and

1105
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,440
it's like some it's always like a first person shooter

1106
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,519
or something like that, or they'll take some really popular game.

1107
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,559
But I don't think I've ever seen like an indie

1108
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,760
game in here now. Obviously, Blotcher is like a huge game,

1109
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,880
but also like came out like I don't know, like

1110
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,320
last February or something, So I guess they filmed this. Yeah,

1111
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,519
like I don't know, I guess that's not a weird

1112
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:13,199
timeline for that.

1113
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: That just tells me Brooker who You're right, he did

1114
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,760
write this as well, so because the article I saw

1115
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,760
just said the writer says, and then when I clicked

1116
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,039
it's like, okay, it's just like Charlie, like the creator

1117
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,000
of the show, but he said it was a spiritual

1118
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,400
successor that. But that just tells me he's probably just

1119
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,800
a big fan. The same way with like how the

1120
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,800
Russo is putting even though Fortnite was a bigger game,

1121
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,639
it's still like they were massive Fortnite guys, right, so

1122
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:35,239
they're like, oh, let's putting there. So that just tells

1123
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,679
me Brooker was probably whether it's him or family member

1124
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,920
son daughter was probably playing. They're like, oh, what's this?

1125
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: And I hope uh local thunks the developer got like

1126
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,119
paid to have this in there because he's a he's

1127
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:48,639
a great he's a great dude, seem.

1128
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: Would you though, like if if he Broker came to

1129
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,199
you and said, Hey, Dylan, want to put one of

1130
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,519
your games and you be like, ah, sure, like you

1131
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:56,360
mightn't even accept the check, but yeah, just put me

1132
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,119
in black mirror. You know, like probably would same thing

1133
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:00,400
if he came me and say, hey, his character is

1134
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,280
gonna be watching Adreno of Chrome in the background, Like yeah,

1135
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,119
they have it. Don't don't give me a hey.

1136
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I hope he got paid because he's

1137
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,719
just like a guy. He made it. He's made enough

1138
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,360
money from Bilotro is his solo developer. He made millions

1139
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,280
and millions of dollars. But you know he's a fellow

1140
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,079
Canadian game developer. Yeah, solo guy. I listened to an

1141
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,960
interview with him and one of his previous jobs was

1142
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,960
he was a zamboni driver, which is really very classic

1143
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,920
Canadian kind of thing to do origin story.

1144
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else more, I think that's all. Next thing

1145
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,679
is plaything in the near future London. An eccentric murder

1146
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,000
suspect is linked to a usual video game from the

1147
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:45,440
nineteen nineties, a game populated by a cute evolving artificial

1148
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,079
life forms. And yeah, this is what I was referring to,

1149
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:50,480
Like was making comparison to like the Red Dead Horse

1150
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,800
to this, which It's interesting because the same thing of

1151
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,119
like off cly the end they clearly reveal, which I

1152
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,920
almost wish there's a way they didn't because I like

1153
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:03,360
the idea of are these things real or is this

1154
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,440
guy nuts? I'm gonna say one great episode or great acting. Wise,

1155
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,599
I felt like the young version and the old version

1156
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,119
just linked up completely. Well, there's so much content we

1157
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,360
review where I was like, oh, you know, not a

1158
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,559
one to one if okay, I can see this guy

1159
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,400
grow up to be Peter Capaldi, and I thought he

1160
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,920
played such a good, eccentric, weird cat like he was

1161
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,639
just like it was fun watching him.

1162
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Certain movie he had his long legs on for sure.

1163
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,119
Speaker 1: For that absolutely had his long legs on. Yeah. So

1164
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,920
uh yeah. It's one of these things where I really

1165
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,639
liked the entire episode. It's tough because I know where

1166
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,239
they ended and why, but it's almost like I wanted

1167
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,519
a little more because it's just like it's a lot

1168
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,559
of like wait till they see what happened. I can't

1169
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,679
believe what's gonna happen, and it's just kind of left

1170
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,920
up to your imagination. But I like the pacing of

1171
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,719
the episode. You know, also we got the Banner snaps

1172
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,920
connection with Will Polter coming back, and that was fun.

1173
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,280
But again that was playing that AI thing of like okay,

1174
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:00,880
until they would do the bigg reveal that this is

1175
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,840
maybe some sort of weird ancient alien cultu or whatever

1176
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,480
it may be. It's just like, Okay, this guy has

1177
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,480
this little community here of these aliens, and then some

1178
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,079
guy goes to plan his account and they kill everything, right,

1179
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,760
And he's so connected to me because he says he's

1180
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,920
having conversations that take seconds, but he feels like they

1181
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,159
are week's worth of information given to him. He has

1182
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,000
this bond and everything. So that's that same deal of

1183
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:24,800
like kind of that what I said of the maybe

1184
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,360
the AI and what's gonna happen if you grow to

1185
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,360
you got to learn to take care of these things.

1186
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,800
And literally when they come he gets back on there

1187
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,679
like all these things are talking about like they're in

1188
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,360
pain and they watch their family members die, Like all

1189
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,920
these emotions that people in real life things should be

1190
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,320
having are being put into these uh, these alien cute creatures.

1191
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,280
So I really liked the episode. I think ending was

1192
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,159
a little unsatisfied. I also really liked a lot of

1193
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,320
the visual choices they made lots of the shoots, lots

1194
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,599
of the cameras not shaky, but it feels like unbalanced

1195
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:58,360
and just made you feel uneasy when Yeah, so I

1196
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,039
liked that, and uh yeah, like I said, maybe I

1197
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,000
wandered the episode's better if you don't reveal it, and

1198
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,400
then if you do reveal it. I wanted a little

1199
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280
bit more but interesting episode. They definitely made me think

1200
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,519
about some things and fun way to kind of link

1201
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:10,880
in video games and whatnot.

1202
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I liked this episode, but didn't love it.

1203
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,159
I think like a little bit of the acting at

1204
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,599
times maybe took me out of it. I think honestly,

1205
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,239
the game itself was like a bit too cheesy. I

1206
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,920
think I don't know what I would have wanted differently,

1207
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,519
but I feel like most like nine percent of the

1208
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:28,400
time when we saw the game, it was like the

1209
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,519
exact same shot of like, okay, the little river on

1210
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:33,159
the left side, like a couple of rocks over on

1211
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:34,920
the right side, and it just felt like, I don't know,

1212
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,880
for what is supposed to be such an expansive game

1213
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,000
that kind of rights itself and creates its own thing,

1214
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:42,199
I feel like we just ended up seeing like a

1215
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,320
lot like the same stock footage over and over again,

1216
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,679
which it's fair. I get it. We're making a TV

1217
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,840
show here, not a video game, so they can make

1218
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,599
some janky little thing and like against the job done

1219
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,199
sort of. But yeah, I don't know, maybe as a

1220
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:56,559
game where I wanted more of like the actual game,

1221
00:50:56,639 --> 00:50:58,159
to see a little bit more of it. But I

1222
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:02,519
think the concept of this like genius genius game developer

1223
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,840
who's like, I don't know, a bit of an oddball

1224
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:08,320
at the same time, kind of creates this program that

1225
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,519
can kind of create its own programs and create its

1226
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,920
own thing in like a very immersive way, and it

1227
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,719
kind of just spirals out from there. And then of

1228
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,320
course once it like is able to get into like

1229
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,000
a human's brain and then do all this other stuff

1230
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:21,880
that like you can see how we go through there,

1231
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,119
like think the little montage sequence where he like starts

1232
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,800
out by griving like a PS one and a PS two. Yeah,

1233
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,800
then eventually we get like a Nintendo switch in there,

1234
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,519
where like getting all these different consoles, which that also

1235
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:34,280
seemed like, you know, obviously we're dealing with a video

1236
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,079
game here, so like they wanted to do a video

1237
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,639
gaming thing there, but it seemed weird to me. It's

1238
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,039
like the most powerful hardware at any given time. The

1239
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,880
Nintendo Switch one of like the consoles that people say

1240
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,320
is like one of the weakest consoles that we've had

1241
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,559
in recent times. So hard to believe that is where

1242
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,840
the most powerful processors are in the world. But I'll

1243
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,760
take it just for like the you know, being on

1244
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,119
the nose with the video gaminess of it. So yeah,

1245
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,639
I enjoyed this episode, but I think, yeah, there's something

1246
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:03,360
that needed to do to elevate a little bit more.

1247
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,480
Maybe it was just like the cheesiness of it, But

1248
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,199
I actually really did love the ending. To me, that

1249
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,840
was like the perfect ambiguous ending. Uh I didn't I

1250
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,280
didn't need any more. Did these throng thronglets kill everyone?

1251
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,880
Or are are they about to reboot? When he like

1252
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,840
throws the handout off for that, I think that's like

1253
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,239
to me, that's like it's the perfect inception ending. I

1254
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,840
think they like absolutely nailed that. So I really liked

1255
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,400
that element of it. It's one of those things that

1256
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,360
would be like, Okay, could this be in the rest

1257
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,360
like it's this is in the world of bandersnatch at least,

1258
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,880
but is this in the world of like the rest

1259
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,159
of Black Mirror, because if this did just kill everyone,

1260
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,199
then I guess this would be like the end of mankind.

1261
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,920
But who knows. You know, that's where maybe we get

1262
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,679
a sequel to play Things sometime in the future.

1263
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder too, because I feel like I wonder

1264
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,800
if we ever if we'll we'll Forte that's a whole

1265
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,920
different episode. But I'll take him in a Black Mirror

1266
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,599
thing too, if God will Poltz, if he ever gets

1267
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,440
like a full episode, you know, because Banish Sentia. I

1268
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,719
know he did a lot of takes, but we still

1269
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,639
know so little about this character rather than he's just

1270
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:08,079
like a programmer that's kind of eccentric, right, and he's

1271
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:12,679
very he's eysentric, but he's also as so yeah, he's eccentric,

1272
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,440
but he's also kind of intimidating and not scary. But

1273
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,760
there's close to that. So I wonder what if that happens,

1274
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,880
or he's just kind of a reoccurring, you know, anytime

1275
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,679
they got a programmer episode out, let's get Poulter in

1276
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,960
there because we can do that thread. So anything else

1277
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,400
on Plaything, m all right, next episode is yule G

1278
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,679
and isolated man is introduced to a groundbreaking system that

1279
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,880
allows users to literally step inside old photographs, staring powerful

1280
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,360
motions in the process. This was the one starring Paul Giamani.

1281
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,480
What did you think about this one, sir?

1282
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 2: Another another great episode. I really really enjoyed this one,

1283
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,320
and this one did not have that asterix on it.

1284
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,920
I feel like I enjoyed everything about it, including the ending,

1285
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,719
which is like, yeah, it pulled me out in some

1286
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,159
of these other episodes, but yeah, like really fun concept

1287
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:01,400
that has like a really cool slash like kind of

1288
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,119
trippy slash like unsettling, uncanny visual to it of like

1289
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:07,840
going into these photographs, but then like anything that is

1290
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,480
not directly in frame becomes like a little bit polygony,

1291
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:14,199
or like faces are just like completely not there or

1292
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,400
you're just getting like smudges and whatnot. And like when

1293
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,239
we finally got a shot where he went into one

1294
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,280
of the pictures where he like intentionally like scribbled over

1295
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,079
her face and there's just like this two dy like

1296
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:28,280
game and watch like scribble animation that's just like statically there,

1297
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,239
I think, is like perfect. So yeah, I really enjoyed

1298
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,280
the the visual and like the classic black mirror like

1299
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,119
tech element of this episode. But then I think where

1300
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,039
it just like rises above it is just with like

1301
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,119
the emotional side of it. And obviously there's like so

1302
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,960
many layers to this. What starts out with like pretty innocent,

1303
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:45,760
just like, yeah, let's just get a couple of nice

1304
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,960
little memories in here, put it into this thing. But

1305
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,559
like the way it just kind of continually evolves and

1306
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:52,920
we just get deeper and deeper into this guy's psyche

1307
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,320
and then eventually into like the handler's psyche realizing so

1308
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,239
much about himself. Like I don't this episode just like

1309
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,199
goes and goes and goes, and I feel like never

1310
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,559
never lets up, and then it ends up having like

1311
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,280
just a devastating ending as well. So I think this

1312
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,440
is this is like a top tier black mirror.

1313
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,599
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, no, I agree with you. This

1314
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:12,519
is one that I put in there that that'd be

1315
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,440
in that top tier. Achalon Paul Gimillani always great. He's

1316
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,039
such a talented actor who can get very big and ambrasive.

1317
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,360
But one of my favorite movies from last year and

1318
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,800
of this decade was as I'm forgetting the title of it,

1319
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,440
It's a Chrystals over two years ago. I think at

1320
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,480
this point, right, Okay, yeah, now it's two years jeez.

1321
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,639
But that's another one where it's kind of an understand performance.

1322
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,159
But I absolutely adore that movie. It's a watch Christmas

1323
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:36,679
every year. So I like when he does these kind

1324
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,039
of type of roles where he's kind of at any

1325
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:41,440
moment you can see him kind of get worked up

1326
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,360
as Paul Gimani, but he's kind of a recluse or

1327
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,599
kind of holding some stuff back. But no, I think

1328
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,280
this is the perfect episode of It's Believable Tech because

1329
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,320
the way that we talk about when they're like, oh

1330
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,800
you can like I think they've done a little bit,

1331
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,599
but when it's like, oh, you can buy gogs and

1332
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,079
go watch a concert, right and feel like you're actually

1333
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,000
there and everything like that, like this idea of okay,

1334
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,039
I have a photo of you know us in the

1335
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,639
Custard home backing Geek forst Days and can you please

1336
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000
AI generate this to be like a three D module

1337
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,000
I can walk through. That to me is not unbelievable

1338
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,039
at that point. Obviously, it's different where they still have

1339
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,800
like the similar game tech where it goes in your

1340
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,159
head and you just like become a zombie. But I

1341
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:21,480
feel like this type of stuff, or even walking through

1342
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,239
a video game not that far off, so it's believable tech.

1343
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,679
But I think it's also a thing where the best

1344
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,039
Black Mare episodes are. It's using the tech to make

1345
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,880
you kind of put a no punitent a mirror on

1346
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,760
yourself in society where I think this is a good situation,

1347
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,840
where I think this is something I've appreciated more when

1348
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,199
I'm older now, not so much when I was younger.

1349
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,199
I think it just happens in the time. But whether

1350
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,039
it's a breakup or a friendship, or even a scenario

1351
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,400
at work or with any sort of adult situation that

1352
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,599
may happen in the past, we always think of ourselves

1353
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:52,639
like as the hero, right, And that's what Paulgy when

1354
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,800
he does in the episode where there's a breakup, he's

1355
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,360
very sad. He finds out this person was passed away

1356
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,440
because they lived together, he loved her and all this stuff,

1357
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,039
but it's been a long time. It ended very poorly, right,

1358
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,960
And one it's that thing of you if you have

1359
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,760
a friendship or relationship that ends poorly, that's usually what

1360
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,280
you mostly think about for the remainder of period of

1361
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,199
times because you don't think about the good stuff, right.

1362
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,280
So one, I liked that portion of the episode of

1363
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,400
this progress trying to make them think like, hey, yeah,

1364
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,079
it ended kind of in fire, but there were all

1365
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,519
these times along the way that made moments for you

1366
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,079
to remember, right. And two when he's like, oh, well

1367
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:28,360
this happened, and the person that's the guy, it's like, yeah,

1368
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,880
but have you ever looked at that this way? Or

1369
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,519
what were you doing wrong? Or what do you say?

1370
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,320
And you can't go oh yeah, yeah, where I feel

1371
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,840
like yes, when we're younger, when it's happening to me,

1372
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,559
it's like, yeah, you're always a hero. Definitely I was

1373
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:40,719
in the right. But as you get older, either when

1374
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,599
you look back her stuff or you try to approach nega, okay,

1375
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,800
I can see how I was wrong or how that

1376
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,039
played differently, or how maybe I should have thought about

1377
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,960
this from their perspective and I didn't. So no, I

1378
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
thought that was just a very you know, it's very

1379
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,599
high tech stuff, but dealing with very human emotions that

1380
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,280
everybody can relate to. Doesn't matter your wealth, your raise,

1381
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,280
or sexual oribitation. Everyone's whether it's a friendship or relationship,

1382
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,119
has been that situation where you think about a scenario

1383
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,639
years later and you go, Okay, maybe now I wouldn't

1384
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:12,719
react that way. But the sad part of it is

1385
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,320
you can't go back, you know, like even this episode

1386
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,920
Paul Pacimoni can get those memories back and see the daughter.

1387
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:20,920
But at the end of the day, still that's the

1388
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,840
way history is and you have to kind of live

1389
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,679
with it and deal with it. So it's very touching

1390
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,639
but sad ending at the end to see the daughter

1391
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:29,480
and I call that. Me and Emily were taking guesses

1392
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,360
of it was the daughter or his actual girlfriend that

1393
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,239
was the guy, and I had a feeling it was

1394
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,679
the daughter. So it's an AI version of the daughter,

1395
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:41,119
but still fun fun nonetheless, but no great, fantastic episode.

1396
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean, I feel like this is

1397
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,440
one of those things where you know, in like our

1398
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,800
modern age, it's like this situation where like, oh, there

1399
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,199
was a letter left in this room and I didn't

1400
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,039
read it, and then I missed this person and like

1401
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,440
what could it Like, you know, you're not gonna miss

1402
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,360
the text, like maybe the text doesn't send. There's something

1403
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,480
reason that can happen. But I feel like that setting

1404
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,079
of this like really hit home but I feel like

1405
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,400
it is still relatable. We'll probably have a couple of

1406
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,880
moments like those in our lives where it's like, man,

1407
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,880
I wonder what would happen if, like this one little

1408
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,920
thing changed, if I won this knew this one little

1409
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,480
piece of information, this one thing that was written down

1410
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,320
and on note, or maybe it wasn't written on a note,

1411
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,880
just in someone's head, but like how that could have

1412
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,960
just changed the scope of everything like that that moment

1413
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,440
is I mean one like his desperation when he's just

1414
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,679
trying to like rip the note off the ground obviously

1415
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,639
it's like stuck on there, and then he goes through

1416
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:28,679
the whole thing, finds it. But like just the scene

1417
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,320
of her standing in that alleyway, I think it's like

1418
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,440
a little bit rainy outside, is like, yeah, just truly devastating.

1419
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,800
But then I think it does have like as far

1420
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,519
as Black Mirror goes that actually pretty nice happy ending,

1421
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,599
it is still kind of devastating because he seems to

1422
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,360
be like not super happy. He's on his own right,

1423
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,360
so clearly his life has probably not gone on in a

1424
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,840
way that he is super happy about. And even like

1425
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,360
back it's like back in the day he was like

1426
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,199
kind of a stud. He was a cool guy, had

1427
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:55,039
all these friends, he had a very lively life, and

1428
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,400
now he's just like a hermit on his own. But

1429
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,280
like getting the scene at the end, finally seeing her

1430
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,239
face was like a very cathartic moment playing the cello, which, obviously,

1431
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,000
as the daughter was mentioning, was like such an important

1432
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,320
part of her life that he, as you mentioned, like

1433
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,119
just kind of pushed away because he was I don't know,

1434
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:11,719
he was just you know, he was in his own world.

1435
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,400
He was doing his own thing. He wasn't like paying

1436
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,280
attention to her in the way he he should have

1437
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,559
been or needed to. But yeah, I think just yeah,

1438
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,559
super outstanding. Just every step of the way, every act

1439
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,320
kind of crushed exactly what he needed to do.

1440
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's when I'm excited to return to in

1441
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,280
the future. It's definitely in that rewatch and uh yeah

1442
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,960
no it's and GIMMANI killed it there, So anything else in.

1443
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,159
Speaker 2: That one, no, I think I'm good.

1444
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: And then finally we get to USS Calister into Infinity.

1445
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:44,239
Robert Daly is dead, but now the crew of USS Calister,

1446
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,159
led by Captain Nanette Cole, are stranded in the infant

1447
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,920
virtually universe fighting for survival against thirty million players. What

1448
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,360
do you think about this one? I think this one

1449
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,719
was highly anticipated when we got the show because blackmun

1450
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,679
are always anticipated. But second people start at seeing those

1451
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:03,639
splate the space fleet costumes that the actual cast them back.

1452
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,480
I felt like people are excited for the season, but

1453
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,559
particularly this episode. Everyone was kind of holding their breath

1454
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:12,639
on it, especially hopefully to be a good follow up too.

1455
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I feel like for a lot

1456
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:17,960
of people, Uss Couseer is just like a top three

1457
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,360
black mirror I think, right, yeah, And it's been like

1458
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,639
it was about three season three or four? Was that?

1459
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,719
Speaker 1: I think it's four, I can confirm it.

1460
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, it's been it's been a while,

1461
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,559
three seasons ago, a little bit older there was. By

1462
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,920
the way, was with two seventeen? Was Plemons not announced?

1463
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,519
The thing did I spoil it in the no spoilers

1464
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:34,760
is that.

1465
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,559
Speaker 1: It wasn't announced.

1466
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: I like at least like, okay, you get a flashback

1467
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:43,760
or something, but yeah maybe maybe people. Yeah anyway, so

1468
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,239
sorry if I spoiled that for anyone.

1469
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think do you you learned pretty

1470
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,360
early on because when they interview the main I'll get

1471
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,440
the actors name and everything like that. When they interview

1472
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,360
the business guy, they show photo of him and Robert

1473
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,199
Daley as young and and uh, what's his name? Plemons

1474
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,440
looks like he looks now. So that to me was

1475
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,599
the tip off of Okay, he's coming back, because he

1476
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,679
they would have they I don't think he just came

1477
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:06,559
on set like hey, Jesse Can would get a photo

1478
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,400
of you. I'm like, okay, they've filmed some stuff with him,

1479
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,079
but yeah, continue.

1480
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I think this episode's very long. It

1481
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,800
did feel like a movie in the way that like

1482
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:21,519
it's about as long as Reverie a little bit Revery's

1483
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:24,159
a little bit shorter, But that didn't really like feel

1484
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,480
like a movie or is this actually felt like a

1485
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,159
fucking movie, like in terms of the not just the

1486
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,800
budget of it, but like the acts that we went on,

1487
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,400
like the amount we get in the game, out of

1488
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,719
the game, crazy reveals happening and like more reveals, more reveals,

1489
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,800
and it like just seems to like never end, characters

1490
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,119
coming back introducing some new stuff, like there there's just

1491
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,519
so much going on here. I think it's a bit

1492
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,320
of a mixed bag for me overall. Honestly, there's some

1493
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,719
there's some great moments in here. I think specifically, like

1494
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,920
it actually just picks up in like the second half.

1495
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:54,800
But I think I did find the first half to

1496
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,480
like drag a little bit where we're like, okay, we're

1497
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,639
on we're the crew here, we gotta get some credits,

1498
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:01,480
so it's go take out some people. And then you

1499
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,039
have like the classic like cringey guy like in his

1500
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,679
mom's basement, just like screaming, and you know, we get

1501
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:10,119
a lot of these things going through the motions. But honestly,

1502
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:11,639
for me, I don't want to like put anyone down

1503
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:14,039
because everyone did a good job. I'm just such a

1504
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,199
plumbin's head. I'm just I just love plumbing so much,

1505
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,280
and so when we finally got just plumbings doing some

1506
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,760
plumbing stuff, I was just eating it all up. So

1507
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,000
I think it it definitely picked up as it went along.

1508
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,239
I think it has a pretty a good but like

1509
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,000
also kind of surprising and weirdly like comedic ending the

1510
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,679
way they like played it too at the same time.

1511
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,000
So I don't know, I guess yeah, overall, I'm feeling

1512
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,559
a little mixed on it. I had a good time

1513
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,519
with it, but I think for me, like the original

1514
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,239
episode is like still that you know, top tier one,

1515
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,519
and this I probably isn't in that same tier with it,

1516
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,320
I guess, but I guess if you bundle them together,

1517
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,159
it would still be like some of the best black

1518
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:47,800
beer overall.

1519
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree that. Like the first ones, I'm

1520
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,960
not gonna say leave some bounds, but it's to me

1521
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,599
a clear number one, and it's such a cool, unique

1522
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:58,800
idea even that way it starts. It just starts as

1523
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,039
like I remember the pre for that episode was like, oh,

1524
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:03,039
they're doing like a Star Trek episode. That's cool, and

1525
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,840
then it like later on they were oh, it's a

1526
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,480
game and all this stuff, so there was like a

1527
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:10,039
good tint there. Crazy stuff, yeah, tons of stuff, but no,

1528
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,920
this this one delivered. I actually would It's probably more

1529
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,719
than near the bottom, but I would put this in

1530
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,480
my top tier episodes as well. I really enjoyed this one.

1531
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,599
I think it's just because I was, okay, how are

1532
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:23,599
you gonna do this, and all the aspects made sense

1533
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:25,840
of okay from the people in the game. Yeah, I

1534
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,400
guess they actually need like for us, we get the

1535
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,840
game currency to buy costume, buy this, but for them

1536
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,159
they actually need this, like buy gear and food. So

1537
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,440
I didn't think about like, oh, yeah, they live in

1538
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,960
this world. It's not just because the end of USS

1539
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,559
Counsels ends hopeful of all this cruise together and they're

1540
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,519
finally got rid of Daily, right, so it's like it

1541
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,360
must be all aces, but it's not because oh yeah,

1542
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,079
we're we don't have a credit card in the outside.

1543
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: End on one life, so they could die and there's

1544
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,159
like Metallica ships flying around like will take you out

1545
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:54,880
in a minute.

1546
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I thought that was fun, and I thought

1547
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,880
all the ties to the real world was great. It

1548
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,280
is great that they got everybody, but it was great

1549
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,079
to have that. Okay, yeah, Daily's dead, but it's kind

1550
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,239
of like, okay, well there's this very you know, shady

1551
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,840
stuff that's found in his place, and you know, there's

1552
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:14,079
shadyess around how the company was started and when you trust.

1553
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,119
I got to get the characters' names here Walton because

1554
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:20,400
he's the guy that's the bad CEO, right, but it's

1555
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,599
that's the fun juxposition too, where he's bad CEO. But

1556
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:26,639
then in the the space space Fleet world he's like

1557
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:29,000
kind of a redeeming hero. We get this great sequence

1558
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,000
where he's like turned into a cave man pretty much.

1559
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,840
But I liked that. I love that they revealed that

1560
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,840
the way of when we talk about like star Field,

1561
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,960
like oh, this game just creates plants and stuff like that.

1562
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,119
I love this twist of they've cloned this coder video

1563
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:46,119
game guy and he's just locked away in the game,

1564
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,519
just continuing working. He says he's been there for what

1565
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:51,360
feels like five hundred years, and it's like, oh my god.

1566
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,480
So I thought that was like a very clever way

1567
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,519
because when they did the flashback, by okay, that's an

1568
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,000
easy way to bring Plemmons back, right like talk give

1569
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:00,559
him a scene there. But when it was oh, he's

1570
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,960
got of like the mastermind of all this, and I

1571
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,840
love that, Yeah, he seems like a good guy has

1572
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,480
helped them out, and then he just has that one

1573
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,800
slip of like yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna copy and

1574
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,440
it's like, Oh, this guy's always just weird. And that's

1575
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,519
what you talk about Plemons, Like, I feel like we

1576
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,559
talked about it with Civil War, but I feel like

1577
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,320
I have to when I talk about like the best

1578
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,480
working actors, right now I gotta talk about him because

1579
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:24,800
you think about Civil War this and like Game Night,

1580
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,760
that's the same guy, and he's that does not feel

1581
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,960
like the same person. He's a Swiss army and if

1582
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,320
he can.

1583
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: Just for me the what is the name of the

1584
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,400
Yorgost movie that came out last year?

1585
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: All kinds of kindness.

1586
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you know, movie fine, incredible. He in

1587
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:42,320
that movie is fucking outstanding and he's doing stories.

1588
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:44,199
Speaker 1: And that's the thing he can just I don't think

1589
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:47,079
we give him enough credit for like how much he

1590
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,400
can do as an actor. I'm gonna start now. And yeah,

1591
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,719
it was I agree with you that the episode was good,

1592
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,800
but I think you needed that pick up to happen,

1593
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,519
and I think, uh, the ending was very fun. To me,

1594
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:00,480
I thought that was like a fun, clever way of

1595
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:03,440
you kind of get what you want. I guess you're

1596
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,119
alive and you're safe, but you're trapped in this weird situation.

1597
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:08,960
But it looks like they're making a work at the end,

1598
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:12,000
you know. But no, this to me, actually it did

1599
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,599
deliver and I wish I don't think they would have

1600
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:16,119
ever done this probably would have been a prophit, but

1601
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:17,679
I actually wish I could have watched one of the

1602
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,840
theaters because there's something that did feel like a movie

1603
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:21,679
and I would have gone for this. I don't know

1604
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,320
the time, Maybe maybe in retrospect I would have went

1605
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,679
after because I need to see this episode in the theaters.

1606
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:29,400
But it felt like they honestly could have released this

1607
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:31,599
by themselves instead of a season. I think they could

1608
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,760
have done like a we're doing a USS Callist or

1609
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,400
black Mere episode, and you could have maybe gone even

1610
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,119
more views that way, to like separate them. But no,

1611
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:41,719
it was a it's a girth the episode, and I

1612
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,119
really enjoyed it.

1613
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, A good showed out. You had to

1614
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:48,920
Walter there, the CEO, because I don't really remember him

1615
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,519
much from the first episode. I haven't rewatched that in

1616
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:54,320
a while. I did watch the recap here at the start,

1617
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,679
so it kind of just catch me up with the

1618
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:57,840
story a little bit. But yeah, like I said, I

1619
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,639
didn't ever like I mostly just remember her name is

1620
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,719
Kristin Milliah and and and Plumbings. Those are the ones

1621
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,480
I really remember, like from that original episode. But I

1622
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,159
think he really stepped it up, especially in that first

1623
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,440
half where we didn't have like Plumbins back yet, so

1624
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:14,800
we're just getting the rest of the people. But I like,

1625
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:16,800
you know, how many movies and shows have we've seen

1626
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,239
recently where there's just like city shitty ceo guy, Like

1627
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,199
we just we see so many of those. But I

1628
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:24,800
think he was still able to bring something like particularly

1629
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,640
fun of this role. The comedic stuff and like I

1630
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,399
don't know, just the little glances stuff. I like he

1631
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,199
really chewed the scenery in a good way, just like

1632
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:33,600
the way he would chew up that office scenery I

1633
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,039
think was like perfect. So yeah, I really enjoyed that

1634
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:37,520
part of it.

1635
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:40,039
Speaker 1: When she's like teaching him how to play the game,

1636
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,399
I thought that was some good comedy there. I'm like, oh,

1637
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:44,439
what do you do? And when he gets say, oh,

1638
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,159
that's awesome. Another comedic beat I really loved is at

1639
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:51,319
the end when or like near the end, when Plemmons

1640
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,359
again turns bad. He wants to keep her there and

1641
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,600
they're finding everything like that and eventually gets the axe

1642
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,800
ahead he's dead and then there's like a big like

1643
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,000
earthquake and all the discs fall and just she's.

1644
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 2: Like just label your desks, you dig ahead, Like who.

1645
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: I really love that moment and I love the idea

1646
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:09,199
of just putting that disc in and then it goes there.

1647
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:12,079
But yeah, no, I like Jimmy Simpson. I saw him

1648
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:14,359
once randomly, and I guess Stephen King think he's like

1649
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,000
a side character. He was like this squirrelly, like paparazzi guy,

1650
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:19,720
and ever since then, I've really liked him since like

1651
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,760
the early two thousands, and he's never been in much.

1652
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,000
But I thought even the when he was the cave

1653
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:26,319
man and stuff that worked. I thought it was a

1654
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,079
fun dynamic of them seeing each other. But then the

1655
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:31,600
classic like, okay, there's a mix up of he's posing

1656
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,840
as the other one and they figure that out because

1657
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,159
the one guy goes to talk to me, he does

1658
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:36,840
like a coffee order and he kind of doesn't even

1659
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,760
think about it because he just thinks of people's nothing

1660
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,760
like that one guy that quit. He's like trying to

1661
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,119
get him up in the middle, and I did, He'll

1662
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:45,760
give him a five grand whatever. And I really liked

1663
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,439
the ending too of the game, just he's going out

1664
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:53,119
of his way to destroy these people, but in doing that,

1665
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,279
he destroys the game and all see all his money.

1666
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:56,960
And that was the other when I saw Hi about

1667
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,960
in the opening and other times this is another app

1668
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:03,359
So that poses that like what do you do with

1669
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,239
the AI that has a full conscience and they think

1670
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:08,279
they're a person, right, because Walton's not wrong at all

1671
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,079
when they get there and they reveal like he gets

1672
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,600
the gun right and he's gonna take him out and

1673
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,359
he shoots when he shoots like the jim Bro guy Carl,

1674
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,800
and everyone's all shocked, and he's like, they're just video

1675
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,000
It's just a video game. Like he looks at Ninette's

1676
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:23,159
character of like, why are you obsessed with these people?

1677
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:23,279
Speaker 2: Right?

1678
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: It'd be like us if we got put in like

1679
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,760
Midnight Suns and we see all the heroes there and

1680
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800
they die, it's like, well, they're not real, they're just coded.

1681
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,920
But to me, that was them also opposing that question

1682
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,640
of Okay, these people are AI, they're cloning their credit,

1683
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,479
but they're just a video game character. They're nothing. But

1684
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,760
do they deserve to have a life, have an own universe?

1685
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,319
Should we fight for them or should we just be

1686
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:44,680
selfish and just cut them out and everything? So and

1687
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,359
again I don't know the answer to that is that's

1688
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,319
for everybody else, because you could just make the case yeah,

1689
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:51,720
should I possibly risk my life for these people that

1690
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,640
aren't even real? And even the person that had the

1691
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,399
internet at the end, she had that choice right if

1692
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,159
she could go into the Comoto's body or let the

1693
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,159
crew die and even plans like oh they'll never know.

1694
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,159
But it's that idea of well, I can't do that

1695
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:08,199
to them. So I found it again interesting where the

1696
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,000
the hotel episode, the video game episode. In this episode

1697
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,760
where have things that were AI generated or computer generated

1698
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,319
and people got attached them and it was about will

1699
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:21,079
you or will you not help this thing that was created?

1700
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:22,720
But they don't have a living body, you know.

1701
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think the fun like imagery to of

1702
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,039
like the comics. I forget the name of the comic,

1703
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,560
but you know, space Fleet, Spacefly. There you go, Like

1704
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,159
just all the kind of connections between that and how

1705
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,720
Plemings was kind of like testing her in a way

1706
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,640
that like happened in one of his favorite comics.

1707
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: Or would you watch the show? Don't? I don't like

1708
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:42,279
old TV.

1709
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: Walter's at the end like looking down at that one,

1710
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:48,520
it's like my universe has disappeared. Hit the game. Over

1711
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,399
all that stuff, I thought that was really fun. I'm

1712
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,640
maybe a little bit surprised, like, you know, obviously okay,

1713
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,520
he Plumb's character. He was, you know, kind of unraveling,

1714
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,840
like he's still not like a good guy, though he

1715
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,920
will insist over and over again that he is. But

1716
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,880
he said that he's been there for like hundreds of years.

1717
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,399
Five I'm kind of surprised, Yeah, that he isn't like

1718
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,720
more fried and unrecognizable, Like that is a very long

1719
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,319
time to be just alone in a suburb with no

1720
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:15,039
one else. And I guess maybe in theory you could

1721
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:16,960
like create people. Based on the fact that he was

1722
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,880
gonna like copy her and keep her there, it sounded

1723
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,960
like there was no other people and he wasn't able

1724
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,600
to do that he could just sit down there and

1725
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:24,239
create worlds.

1726
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: I guess, am. I had this whole conversation because like

1727
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,000
I get that he's there and he just loves to create,

1728
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:30,920
and it's almost like he's programmed that way, like hey,

1729
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,199
just great. But when he's like, oh, I'm just really lonely.

1730
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,159
I've been here for so long and Walton doesn't come

1731
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:37,640
back to check on me, and it's like he's kind

1732
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,119
of like the god of this world. I thought, couldn't

1733
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:40,720
he just like send her off me like, hey, I'm

1734
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,920
gonna make a version of that girl, you know, but

1735
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,520
maybe not. I guess maybe he has some limitations because

1736
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,399
Walton did say that he put his consciousness there, so

1737
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:50,479
maybe he did put something there where. Hey, he can't

1738
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,560
create anything for him to interact with just for other people,

1739
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,920
like a Wizard of Oz situation.

1740
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know the exact rules, little complex.

1741
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else in this episode?

1742
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,399
Speaker 2: Oh man, I feel like there should be more, say,

1743
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,520
but I don't know. I don't know what it would be.

1744
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:08,800
So I think that's maybe it.

1745
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: No Visually good. I liked the that moment where that

1746
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,560
girl kept trying to come back and kill them. Thought

1747
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,760
that was a fun time to go the bigs. Good

1748
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,239
stuff and uh yeah no, uh, I can't remember. Do

1749
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:23,840
we ever rated these seasons before? I feel like that's

1750
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,039
hard to do with these.

1751
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: Right well, I think the last couple of seasons I

1752
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,079
probably was in my no ranking era. But I feel

1753
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:33,199
like we usually ranked the episodes and then at the

1754
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,560
rank the order of the episodes.

1755
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:37,199
Speaker 1: Right, yeah we do? Okay, Yeah, do you get a ranking?

1756
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: Sure it's a little off the cuff, but let me go.

1757
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,119
Eulogy number one. I'm going from top to bottom here,

1758
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:51,920
and then common People number two. I think I'll go

1759
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:00,279
play Thing number three, Callister number four. What's ball him

1760
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:04,880
for me? This is tricky. I'm gonna go Bait Noir five,

1761
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,000
and I'm actually gonna put Revery last, I think, just

1762
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,279
because I I think i'd maybe want to rewatch. I

1763
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:14,960
don't know if i'd want to rewatch Revery. That's tricky.

1764
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:16,720
I don't know those two at the bottom two, I

1765
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,760
guess help put it that way. And then overall ranking, fuck,

1766
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,520
I don't know. I'll put a slap as eight on

1767
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,319
this bad boy.

1768
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: I guess you're saying six there is not sure, but yeah.

1769
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,079
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to rank like an anthology

1770
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,279
show because you're taking six individual things.

1771
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think it for like a whole season,

1772
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,920
like a nine, because I think I like Calister more

1773
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,760
than you, so I was happy with that. But I'll

1774
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,560
go I got You'll get one like you. I like

1775
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,319
Calister at two, O the thanks and stuff. But I

1776
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,279
think common People at three, and then play Anything at four,

1777
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,159
and then I'd go Hotel five and then uh bit

1778
01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:57,399
in the War at six, just because I really don't

1779
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,000
like the ending, I didn't like the multiverse stuff and

1780
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,960
I didn't like the It's felt just underwhelmed. That's why

1781
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:06,600
I didn't Common people I really liked, but the ending

1782
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,000
I felt a little like just all right on. And

1783
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,680
then we got that second episode, so I was starting

1784
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,359
to warr as like, oh no, I'm not like loving

1785
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:15,640
this season so far, but it all worked out. But

1786
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,239
didn't know overall was great and I hope you know,

1787
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:21,920
I'm excited for two years from now twenty twenty seven whenever,

1788
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,239
if we get that exactly. I think this was the

1789
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:26,199
kick in the pants that I needed, and I feel

1790
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:28,359
like they produced some good episodes. I've always said too,

1791
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:29,680
if you want to go back as the first two

1792
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,039
episodes were just three seasons or three episodes, I've done

1793
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,359
that before. I don't feel like you gotta do six.

1794
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,520
Just put in the put in the good three, and

1795
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,239
then come back another time. We'll always be waiting, you know.

1796
01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: So did you say you did your rewatch recently or like.

1797
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,359
Speaker 1: Last year last year? So I'd say in the fall

1798
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,600
last year, I watched a good amount. But yeah, I definitely,

1799
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,520
I'd say I watched about sixty five percent of it.

1800
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So is there any other off the top of

1801
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,680
your head that you feel like you would want a

1802
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,680
sequel four? Now that now that we've cracked open the

1803
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,520
sequel gate a little bit with Callister.

1804
01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:07,119
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess the one even though I didn't like.

1805
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:09,039
Actually I love the so it was my favorite last year.

1806
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:10,760
I don't think it stopped here. I the one with

1807
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,239
Josh Hartnett and Aaron Paul. I would because it just

1808
01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:15,279
ends with him killing that dude's wife and then the

1809
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:16,920
end up in the spaceship together. I always feel like,

1810
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,279
what would what's gonna happen next? Like when they land

1811
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:22,479
back on Earth, like that whole situation. I don't know

1812
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,760
if I need a sequel, but I think something back

1813
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,960
in the sand June Apparel world. I wouldn't mind, like

1814
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:31,359
maybe have those characters around, But uh, I don't know

1815
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:33,119
if there's anything. I'm trying to do a quick look

1816
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:34,560
of the episodes.

1817
01:16:34,039 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: But usually they are pretty like this is a fucking ending.

1818
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:40,800
So usually I guess maybe uh, plaything you could You're

1819
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,600
you're curious what's gonna happen there? But I don't know, Yeah,

1820
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,760
the same thing. It's like a sequel, yeah, which is

1821
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,079
like you just need five more minutes.

1822
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,399
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like you even us a scalucer. That's

1823
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:52,840
why for us it was like a strange like, oh,

1824
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,079
they're doing a sequel to something they just never really

1825
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:58,560
do that, you know. Uh, Like maybe it's stuff like

1826
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,479
there's an episode with a Lapita nawonga like the Black Museum.

1827
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,840
I think stuff like that where it's remember those episode

1828
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,800
where a bunch of stuff from other episodes were in

1829
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,000
the museum and it kind of tied.

1830
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: All together, isn't right? Not Lapita?

1831
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, let's just starting good black panther acting.

1832
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,319
She should be. That'd be a great ire.

1833
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:21,079
Speaker 2: But yeah, Black Black Museum, I think is what that

1834
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:21,720
episode is called.

1835
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah, So stuff like that where maybe

1836
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,640
more stuff that features the same tech but some do characters.

1837
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,680
So yeah, cool, all right, that's it. Well we'll be

1838
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,239
back and we did it a couple of years. We

1839
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:32,560
did it.

1840
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: The Mirror Boys are back.

1841
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: There were back where we come out every two years,

1842
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,680
but here they are. We'll be back then. Hope you

1843
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,399
enjoy this view. Let us know in the discord, you know,

1844
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:44,119
if you got anything ranking, yeah, ranking, you've got any

1845
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:46,600
questions mark with some spoiler thoughts. So people don't see them,

1846
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,199
but yeah, until two years from now, won't be boring.