WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:15.560 Welcome to the Marvel Lions Podcast. We'll recover anything and 2 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.839 everything to do with the Marvel Universe and the comics, 3 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:19.679 TV and movies. We will go from US six one 4 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.199 six to the Mojo Verse to the TVA in order 5 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.280 to bring the Marvel Unise right to you. I'm the 6 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:25.839 Man without Fear, Chris. 7 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.519 I'm the nerd with the mouth, David Alliance. 8 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:34.359 Asembol Volume two hundred and eighty six. And we were 9 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.240 we were not necessarily wondering if we were actually to 10 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.000 have a show this week, and what does what does 11 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.719 Sony and Amazon Prime do? They dropped the first trailer 12 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:47.079 for Spider Man. Excuse me, Spider Noir. That's not gonna 13 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.079 get that's not gonna get old at this point, Spider Noir. 14 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.000 So that is what we will be breaking down tonight. 15 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.479 That not only the trailer, but some first details coming 16 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.520 from Esquire, some first images that are being coming out 17 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.399 from the show. So happy to be doing a show. 18 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:05.159 This is gonna be a lot of fun and very 19 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:08.840 very interesting trailer, especially that's gonna be in two different versions. 20 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.239 So but I'm excited to talk about it. But how 21 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:12.640 has been your week, David? 22 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:17.079 My week has been pretty chill, just getting through the 23 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:21.079 work week. I've got half a work day left and 24 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.920 then I am headed out of town for the second 25 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.760 biggest Marty Gras in the United States, to just have 26 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.519 some fun this weekend, see some friends, and then come 27 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:31.000 back home. 28 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.400 Yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, this 29 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.120 is our first official week, full week back. You know, 30 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.560 no winter storm winds, terms are gone, we have snows. 31 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.519 We actually had a little bout of spring this week 32 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.840 is seventy degree weather that quickly went away. But you know, 33 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.840 I'll deal with fifties and sixties as temperature highs versus 34 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.079 what we've had for the past couple of weeks. But yeah, 35 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.599 it's been you know, full week down. Need some recovery 36 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.400 from it. You know, when you haven't had a full 37 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.400 week of work work in almost a month, it's it's 38 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:08.360 tough getting back. Yeah, but but all right, Well we 39 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.879 let's see we got someone in the chat. Look at this. 40 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.319 We've got Emo nerd girl. Hey, guys, how you doing. 41 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.319 And then we've got bears Layer. Good evening, guys doing 42 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.879 the homework for Comfoot Club. As I listen to you, guys, 43 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.400 tempts are going up and I'm digging it. Yeah, spring 44 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:31.800 hopefully is around the corners. 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I 104 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.279 will watch every episode in black and white, and I 105 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.720 may go back and watch one episode in color just 106 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:42.160 to kind of see how it feels, but I'm definitely 107 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.959 for my watch through, I'm going black and white. I 108 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.199 feel that's the way that it is meant to be 109 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.000 seen and that is the way that I'm diving in 110 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:49.360 for it. 111 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:51.920 Yeah, I love it that. As we're getting ready to 112 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:56.160 play the trailer, it says Spider Maund the authentic black 113 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.800 and white teaser trailer. I actually did see the trailer 114 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.759 in color on TikTok, so it was wasn't bad, Like 115 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.040 you said. I may give it an episode or two 116 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.639 to uh after I watched the black white version for 117 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.319 my rewatch, I may do it like that. But yeah, 118 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.959 So this was we found out the day before that 119 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:17.680 they were going to be dropping this trail. We saw 120 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.000 some screenshots coming out, the article was coming out, so 121 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.759 it begged to you know that they were going to 122 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.000 be releasing something, particularly that it's gonna be coming out 123 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.360 in March. So are you ready to kind of talk 124 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.120 about this and kind of break this down. Let's let's 125 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.600 do it, all right, So we get Nicholas Cage playing 126 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:43.319 Ben Riley hashtag not my Ben Riley, hashtag Brent's not Ben, 127 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.480 Brent's bent Ben Riley either, the only Ben Riley is 128 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.199 the Scarlet Spider Ben Riley. 129 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.959 Yeah, they they they went away from the Peter Parker route. 130 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.800 They went with Ben Riley to give it some difference, 131 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.040 so that that is a a different type of feel. 132 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.839 Yeah, and I think that's probably you know, that's a 133 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.920 personal gripe for me. It's just like there's got there's 134 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.199 there's definitely some reasoning behind that and whether the audio. 135 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.160 I mean again, it's there's got to be some sort 136 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:13.800 of reason because if we can have a Spider Verse 137 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.600 animated movie that has everyone either Peter Parker or some 138 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:20.959 variation of it, eh, you know, but that's a personal gripe. 139 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:25.519 So we have Ben Riley walking through basically, you know, uh, 140 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.920 Tombs of Morture, all the all the different tombs, and 141 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.439 we see our first look at him in costume. So 142 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:40.000 it looks like a sche mask with white eyes. Literally, yeah, 143 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:41.560 looks very. 144 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.360 And I don't mean this in a derogatory way, looks 145 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.720 very cosplay looks very put this together at homes stitch 146 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.560 some eyes on the scheme mask that I had. 147 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.720 Yeah, I mean again, I like Peter Parker in the beginning, 148 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:56.959 you know. So we get a first look of him 149 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.839 in the full cost mountain daylight. So this has taking 150 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.079 place in the thirties. That's a good stop right there, 151 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.959 so you get another look like these kind of fast 152 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.160 cutaways to know the action it's going to be there. Well, 153 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.319 then we start from the beginning, so we'll talk about 154 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.160 these characters in the beginning. But this is I believe 155 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.480 this is our version of Black Cat if I'm not mistaken. 156 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.639 Yes, this they have switched it up just slightly, so 157 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.160 we're not getting Felicia Hardy, we're getting Cat Hardy instead. 158 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.839 Yes, Cat Hardy, and I do like throughout this very 159 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.080 much leaning hard into not only the era, but the 160 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:39.120 genre of films, the crime noir you know, the filmmaking 161 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.559 style of it as well. Tell me about it. So 162 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.080 it's going to be a prime original. He's talked about 163 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:52.039 the tisies feeling the thoughts, so it's a mix of 164 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.000 crime no r but also kind of psychological because again 165 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.840 we're assuming that he's dealing with just getting these powers 166 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:00.679 for the first time, but we don't see how he 167 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.600 got these powers, but we're assuming what he's experiencing is 168 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:11.320 dealing with getting these powers and then taking over his body. Yeah, 169 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.679 you know, he's lots of his impulse as we see 170 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:19.120 all the spiders around him and managed to suppress him. 171 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:25.759 So he's a private investigator most of the time he 172 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:30.440 suppresses them. And this is our first look at Robbie Robertson. 173 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.600 Yep, played by the great Lamarn Morrison, who a lot 174 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.879 of people will know from New Girl and a lot 175 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.240 of other projects. So I'm excited to see his take 176 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.600 on this nineteen thirty ish version of Robbie Robinson. 177 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.440 So the obviously, so we get the hint of like 178 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:59.279 he got this is probably where the bite happened. All 179 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:04.080 these different images and we'll kind of see what's going on, 180 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:05.919 you know, our first look at one of our villains 181 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.759 and see if I can go back a little bit 182 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.960 full screen. Don't want that. Okay, this is gonna be 183 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:15.720 and it's hard to tell in black white. This is 184 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.639 our first look at this, this version of Sandman, and 185 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.600 that's what it's gonna be interesting watching this in black 186 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.240 and white and then watching in color. How because when 187 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.120 I saw this in color, I could tell, oh, yeah, 188 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.519 that that definitely looks the Sandman. It's hard to tell 189 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:36.120 in the black and white though. Let me get another 190 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:48.960 view of another possible villain. Some cracks in the screen. Yeah, 191 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.360 there's well we'll go back, but there's like a spider 192 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:57.200 looking creature. So the producer, Lord and Miller are producing this. 193 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.559 What the hell happened? I beat him some guys in 194 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:02.919 the bar. You see him beating some guys in any costume. 195 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:08.240 He's drinking, and then I got plastered in that famous 196 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.240 Nick Cage. That's where it's like, it's gonna be interesting 197 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.120 because the Spider and we're not gonna say the Spider 198 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:19.080 Man Noir character Peter Parker is a little eccentric in 199 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:23.559 the comics, but I think we're they they kind of 200 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.960 leaning into Nick Cage being Nick Cage. 201 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.960 Yeah, there are definitely some moments like right there with 202 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.519 the hand movement where Nick nick Cage is just being 203 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.159 Nick Cage and. 204 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:35.960 We're kind of seeing like this, Like we get a 205 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:37.679 look at the closer of this one. 206 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:38.480 This looks to be an. 207 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.759 Updated ski mask versus when we see it like this, 208 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.200 or you know, or it could be just kind of 209 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:45.200 the framing of the lighting. 210 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.600 Yeah, this looks you can see a lot more defined 211 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.559 webbing features on the mask, even though it's still in 212 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:51.200 black and white. 213 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:58.919 So with no power comes no responsibility. So David. I 214 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.799 was saying this to David all Line before we jumped on. Yes, 215 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:06.080 it's a plan. With great power comes great responsibility. This 216 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.440 obviously he does have powers, but I think what they're 217 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.720 calling out for this with no power comes no responsibility. 218 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:17.559 He is not of a high class of in power. 219 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.440 He does not control a lot, he doesn't have a 220 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.240 lot of money. So what he's saying, if I don't 221 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.559 have the power, I don't have any responsibilities, So why 222 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.960 should I. He's going to act outside the law. 223 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.399 Yeah, in a world of cops and gangsters, you know 224 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:33.120 that that is definitely plausible. 225 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.879 And then we get our first look at molten Man. 226 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.519 I'm a bit of an existential crisis of him. Honest, 227 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.759 cool hero shot, you know, first look at him using 228 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.000 his webbing, some fighting going on, some falling. Got our 229 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:02.320 first look at electro, so we'll pause it later. I 230 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:03.960 love the swing and the swing it ain't bad. 231 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.120 Yeah, they they have at this point, they have mastered 232 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.840 the physics of the swing. So I'm I'm happy that 233 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.039 even in the black and white, even with the noir, 234 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.200 it still looks good. 235 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.679 Yeah, watching too, it's authentic black and white and true hue, 236 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.240 full color. So we get a preview what the color 237 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.440 looks like, so I'll definitely give the color a shot. 238 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:24.879 I think it'll be interesting. Like I said, like in 239 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.759 the trailer, it's hard to tell certain things, but I understand, 240 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.559 at least from a huge fan of that era of 241 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.480 movies and the crime noir and film noir in general. 242 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.840 I think for our first trailer it was it was 243 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.799 pretty good. You know. It definitely gave me intrigued it, 244 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.120 you know, jokes aside it it wasn't there. It wasn't 245 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.080 as bad as I was worried it was gonna be. 246 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.600 Bears Laire says, it's spider a spider Man noir black 247 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.240 and white. Of course. Yep, it's three details in the 248 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.799 chat getting a lot to Spidery this summer can't wait? 249 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.240 Is this supposed to be the same version that was 250 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:10.600 in common? So I don't believe. No, I don't think 251 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.639 this is gonna be tying into Spider Verse at all. 252 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.279 I think they're just taking the character that happens to be. 253 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.480 They're casting Nick Cage as the same character. 254 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:22.279 Yeah, keeping the voice, but it is a different character. 255 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.440 The version from Spider Verse was a version of Peter Parker. 256 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.279 So this is like we said, this has Ben Riley, 257 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.120 so it is not the same. They are just keeping 258 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:36.360 the voice in the inflections to kind of give you 259 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.440 that familiarity, but it is a different take on the character. 260 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.519 Yes, like I said, he's called Ben Riley hashtag not 261 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.679 my Ben Riley. But so Esquire Magazine had a full 262 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:55.000 exclusive of getting full access and dropping some isslusive first take, 263 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.080 so I'm gonna pull some ideas from it of the articles. 264 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:02.559 So uh, they you know, they go into the whole 265 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.080 idea of the full color version and the black and 266 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:10.080 white and they both and they Lord and Miller say 267 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.399 that both formats were created so that the viewers could 268 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.759 choose their own preference. The truth is they both work, 269 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.480 and they're both beautiful for different reasons. Cage tells us 270 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.080 the color is super saturated and gorgeous, so it's not 271 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.639 just going to be modern color. They're going to kind 272 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.320 of give it a a aura about it. That's what 273 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.159 they call it, like true hue. I think teenage I 274 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.799 think teenage viewers will appreciate the color, but I also 275 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.320 want them to have the option they want to experience 276 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:36.039 the concept of black and white. Maybe they would instill 277 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.600 some interest to look at earlier movies, enjoy the art. 278 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.720 The show runner says spider Man Noir, he hopes it 279 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.000 feels like a relic from another time, even though the 280 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.279 full color version doesn't look precisely modern. It's like a 281 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:53.240 black and white film that's been colorized, and it's the 282 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.000 inspiration that they had to do it, which we do 283 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:56.360 see with a lot of different film. 284 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:02.480 Yeah. I do like where they immediately after this that 285 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.279 the color version will give you feels of Dick Tracy. 286 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.960 So if you are at or around my age for context, 287 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:14.399 I turned forty in a couple of months, you are 288 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:20.200 very familiar with Dick Tracy. Well, So to have that 289 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:24.559 that be where they were veering towards with the colorization 290 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.879 of this, it makes it gives me hope for watching 291 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:28.799 those episodes. 292 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.799 Yeah, it's a great call. So they go into talking 293 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.720 about like the character and you know, the newest introduction 294 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.360 to Spider Man Noir was into the Spider Verse. They 295 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.200 said it was the biggest no brainer of all time. 296 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.039 Miller said, we called up our buddy or who had 297 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.840 worked with us before, who we knew was the biggest 298 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.879 Mara fisionado we knew, and we came up with the 299 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.159 take that was perfect it, you know, they and so 300 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.879 they were. They really loved the idea of a care 301 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.079 that a Spider character that was set in this time period. 302 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:06.559 They go on to say the death of the Spider 303 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.279 history was important because Spider Noir was taking some big 304 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.039 swings through the corridors of old New York. Although Kate 305 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.839 voice the variant Peter Parker and Spider Verse movies, his 306 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.680 fedora wearing gum shoe in Spider Noir series would have 307 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.799 a different real life alter ego. This hero is Ben Riley, 308 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.200 who was introduced into Marvel comics in the mid seventies 309 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.880 as a contemporary clone of the young Peter Parker known 310 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.519 as Scarlett Spider. In the show, Riley's mass crime fighter 311 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.839 persona is not is not called Spider Man. He's just 312 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.839 called the Spider, a callback to the early heroes of 313 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.680 the era, like the Spirit the Shadow. There were several 314 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.519 reasons for Ben riley change up. The main one was 315 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:52.480 the nature of Noir's storytelling itself, the genres. So they say, 316 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.960 yet they say that, I don't buy it. 317 00:17:57.880 --> 00:17:59.799 I think it's just because they have a Spider Man 318 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:01.599 moved be coming out in a couple of months, and 319 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.240 they're not trying to confuse the general audience with Peter Parker's. 320 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:07.920 I think that's what they want to tell themselves. They're 321 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.920 going to confuse the general audience. I think they're treating 322 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:11.920 the general audience like a bunch of idiots. But they 323 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:16.599 are not. You know, I think they can tell the difference, 324 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.400 and those that can't, well, I can't help you. I'm sorry. 325 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:24.720 At this point, most general audiences are at least somewhat 326 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.680 versed in multiversal theory. We can separate. Oh, this is 327 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.160 not that version of Peter Parker. I mean, we've gone 328 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:35.720 through this gauntlet of movies and series. You don't have to. Oh, 329 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.279 we don't want the audience to be confused anymore. 330 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.799 Yeah, spidermar could not be an optimist. Peter Parker feels 331 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.440 very synonymous with high school kid boysh on his way up. 332 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.279 So they chose the clone character's back door. It could 333 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.759 be more easily adjusted to fit the pessimistic misanthrope. See, 334 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.039 and that's the problem I have. Well, the going here's 335 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.480 another quote. This character is very different from Peter Parker 336 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.559 from the movie. He's older and jaded, not afraid to 337 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.599 punch a guy in the face drunkenly, Miner says, while 338 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.039 Lower chimes in, he's already had his Chinatown disillusionment moment 339 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.519 that happened years and years ago. So if you haven't 340 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.440 seen China Chinatown, do that for do that for homework 341 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.200 for this weekend, because it's an amazing movie with the 342 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:20.359 Jack Nicholson In another nineteen seventies take on the film 343 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:27.759 noir genre, again, I that is a version of Peter 344 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.119 Parker that like the boys to plucky things like that. 345 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.839 That's not always who Peter Parker is, And that doesn't 346 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.079 have to be the version of Peter Parker the version 347 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.440 Tom Hollins Peter Parker's He's not that type anymore. So 348 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.880 to say that that's that it is, I think that's 349 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.720 I think that's more cover that I don't necessarily totally 350 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.240 buy into, but you know, they want to, they want 351 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:49.640 to put it out there. That's fine, but I do'll 352 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:50.039 buy it. 353 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.200 Yeah, I think again, Peter Parker doesn't always have to 354 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.359 be the geeky high school kid. We've seen Peter Parker 355 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.079 grew up in the comics before various resets, you know, 356 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.319 and it's very well done. You can have a more adult, 357 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.759 a more I've been through some things. I've seen some 358 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:10.799 things type Peter Parker, and it'd be just fine. 359 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.000 Yep. So instead of a kid coming of age while 360 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.519 dealing with the surprisingly new power Spid Noir is a 361 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.920 guy whose hero complex has collapsed into a midlife crisis. 362 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.519 Ben Riley has already gone through the entire arc and 363 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.880 has seen it all. He's over it. He's trying to 364 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.880 move past it, but his past kind of creeps up, 365 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:31.319 coming back to haunt him. It's just a different version 366 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.559 that we haven't seen before, which I'm fine. Again, I 367 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.119 have no problem with them making a chance. I have 368 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.279 a problem when they're trying to give cover to something 369 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.119 that's saying, just just be truthful to us, you know, 370 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.160 don't try to give it again. I love the idea 371 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:47.839 of making a shift if I want to have if 372 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.000 I wanted the comic version, I have the comics. So 373 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.480 I'm not saying that the change in identity is also 374 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.119 the mystery. The producers say we'll be addressed in the 375 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.720 show itself. I have to be coy about this reason 376 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.559 because because you'll find out, Lord says, the reason he 377 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.640 named Ben Riley is explained. Okay, and we'll leave it 378 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.480 at that. Okay, I didn't need an explanation why Ben Riley, 379 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.119 but that intrigues me, you know. 380 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.640 And I hope it is a damn good reason and 381 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.359 not just some throwaway reason. Yeah, you come back to later. 382 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.400 Yeah, that's also a thing that producers sometimes, Oh you 383 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.119 wait for it, You're gonna see it. It's like, really, 384 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.720 that was it. That was a waste, Thanks for teasing that. 385 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.960 Nicholas Cage tells Esquire that he saw his Ben Riley 386 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.200 performance is seventy percent Humphrey Bogart, thirty percent bugs money 387 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.519 given there as a comedic side to the mist, to 388 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:40.559 the mystery story, but the producers say he's also gave 389 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.640 them different description of what he was trying to do. Uh. 390 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.640 Nick brought all this thinking to the character and really 391 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.839 surprised us and was kind of a head slapper. Lord explains. 392 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:54.039 His take was like, I'm a spider trying to cosplay 393 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.720 as a human. He's code switching inside the body. He 394 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.519 feels like an animal. So there you go. There's a cosplay. 395 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.920 Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie. This is the one article, 396 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.440 the one line of the article that did scare me 397 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.640 because I'm like, oh god, Nick Cage playing a spider, 398 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:13.880 cusplaying as a human. This can get off the rails. 399 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:19.720 Yeah, So they go into now further. The supporting cast, 400 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.440 they said. Among them is Robbie Robertson, a familiar face 401 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.799