Speaker 1: Welcome to the Marvel Lions Podcast. We'll recover anything and
Speaker 1: everything to do with the Marvel Universe and the comics,
Speaker 1: TV and movies. We will go from US six one
Speaker 1: six to the Mojo Verse to the TVA in order
Speaker 1: to bring the Marvel Unise right to you. I'm the
Speaker 1: Man without Fear, Chris.
Speaker 2: I'm the nerd with the mouth, David Alliance.
Speaker 1: Asembol Volume two hundred and eighty six. And we were
Speaker 1: we were not necessarily wondering if we were actually to
Speaker 1: have a show this week, and what does what does
Speaker 1: Sony and Amazon Prime do? They dropped the first trailer
Speaker 1: for Spider Man. Excuse me, Spider Noir. That's not gonna
Speaker 1: get that's not gonna get old at this point, Spider Noir.
Speaker 1: So that is what we will be breaking down tonight.
Speaker 1: That not only the trailer, but some first details coming
Speaker 1: from Esquire, some first images that are being coming out
Speaker 1: from the show. So happy to be doing a show.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a lot of fun and very
Speaker 1: very interesting trailer, especially that's gonna be in two different versions.
Speaker 1: So but I'm excited to talk about it. But how
Speaker 1: has been your week, David?
Speaker 2: My week has been pretty chill, just getting through the
Speaker 2: work week. I've got half a work day left and
Speaker 2: then I am headed out of town for the second
Speaker 2: biggest Marty Gras in the United States, to just have
Speaker 2: some fun this weekend, see some friends, and then come
Speaker 2: back home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is our first official week, full week back. You know,
Speaker 1: no winter storm winds, terms are gone, we have snows.
Speaker 1: We actually had a little bout of spring this week
Speaker 1: is seventy degree weather that quickly went away. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'll deal with fifties and sixties as temperature highs versus
Speaker 1: what we've had for the past couple of weeks. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been you know, full week down. Need some recovery
Speaker 1: from it. You know, when you haven't had a full
Speaker 1: week of work work in almost a month, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough getting back. Yeah, but but all right, Well we
Speaker 1: let's see we got someone in the chat. Look at this.
Speaker 1: We've got Emo nerd girl. Hey, guys, how you doing.
Speaker 1: And then we've got bears Layer. Good evening, guys doing
Speaker 1: the homework for Comfoot Club. As I listen to you, guys,
Speaker 1: tempts are going up and I'm digging it. Yeah, spring
Speaker 1: hopefully is around the corners. So all right, so before
Speaker 1: we start breaking down the trailer and all everything's going
Speaker 1: on with Spider Noir, let's get their show plugs out
Speaker 1: of the way network plugs. So we are part of
Speaker 1: the Geek Ultimate Alliance Network with six shows coming the
Speaker 1: wide range of geek and nerd them to check out
Speaker 1: the full schedule, check out the show notes below, and
Speaker 1: describe to the Geekultimate Alliance Network on Twitter at g
Speaker 1: Waypod Networks, and we win all the shows drop. We
Speaker 1: also have a patren so if we want to throw
Speaker 1: a couple of shekels our way, we've got two tiers,
Speaker 1: our dollar tiers, our tip jar to say hey, you
Speaker 1: think we're doing a good job. And then we've got
Speaker 1: our five dollar tier with ad for episodes, early access
Speaker 1: uppisodes and Patreon exclusive shows. We've got a couple of
Speaker 1: shows in the back catalog for you all patrons. We've
Speaker 1: got we can watch this all day, the Marvel Lines,
Speaker 1: Infinity Saga, Rewatch Tales from the House of X where
Speaker 1: we watched our favorite movies from the Fox era of
Speaker 1: X Men. And then we've got the Baxter Broadcast, the
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four, retro film reviews, so all those shows are
Speaker 1: out there. We've got the DC Alliance skies doing their
Speaker 1: DC film through the years. We've got Joe doing his
Speaker 1: Multiverse minutes with his Disney dives with the first and
Speaker 1: the fifteenth of every month looking at the in chronological order,
Speaker 1: the animated classics from from the Disney Disney archives, and
Speaker 1: a lot of break back content. We want to thank
Speaker 1: our patrons. We cannot do this is that your support.
Speaker 1: But if not a member of our Patreon, if you
Speaker 1: would like to join, you can go to www. Dot
Speaker 1: patreon dot com backslast gua network so you can be
Speaker 1: a part of our lovely Patreon community. And if you
Speaker 1: can't join us on Patreon, if you could take thirty
Speaker 1: to ninety seconds and rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
Speaker 1: Amazon Music, wherever you get your podcasts. Will greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And last, but certainly not least, we want to think
Speaker 1: our official sponsor Organicpricebooks dot com. I was gonna be
Speaker 1: a panel bound Comics dot com for your hardcover out
Speaker 1: of us collected, I should need JP at the grew
Speaker 1: of PBC. You've got it going on with the excellent
Speaker 1: customer service immaculate packaging ships around the world. We've got
Speaker 1: a couple. We've got a couple of new omnis in there.
Speaker 1: We've got ichikurcoa rate of X volume one. We've got
Speaker 1: X Men Blue and gold Blood ties, and we've got uh,
Speaker 1: let's see what else from Marvel. We've got the Art
Speaker 1: of the Mighty Thoor, a lot of great stuff. Use
Speaker 1: that code Marvel GUA check out to get two dollars
Speaker 1: off every single order, or use that code MGUA sit
Speaker 1: for when you get five percent off for four when
Speaker 1: you order four or more books together. Let us know
Speaker 1: you're a listen. We want to thank them for being
Speaker 1: our official sponsor, all right, so we will for those
Speaker 1: that aren't watching and just listening at that point, there
Speaker 1: are two versions of this trailer, because there's going to
Speaker 1: be two versions of this show. One will be in
Speaker 1: black and white as the comic was done at that point,
Speaker 1: and one will be fully in color. So you know,
Speaker 1: why not lean into the gimmick. Which one are you
Speaker 1: going to watch?
Speaker 2: Primarily I was talking to burn about this today. I
Speaker 2: will watch every episode in black and white, and I
Speaker 2: may go back and watch one episode in color just
Speaker 2: to kind of see how it feels, but I'm definitely
Speaker 2: for my watch through, I'm going black and white. I
Speaker 2: feel that's the way that it is meant to be
Speaker 2: seen and that is the way that I'm diving in
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it that. As we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: play the trailer, it says Spider Maund the authentic black
Speaker 1: and white teaser trailer. I actually did see the trailer
Speaker 1: in color on TikTok, so it was wasn't bad, Like
Speaker 1: you said. I may give it an episode or two
Speaker 1: to uh after I watched the black white version for
Speaker 1: my rewatch, I may do it like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So this was we found out the day before that
Speaker 1: they were going to be dropping this trail. We saw
Speaker 1: some screenshots coming out, the article was coming out, so
Speaker 1: it begged to you know that they were going to
Speaker 1: be releasing something, particularly that it's gonna be coming out
Speaker 1: in March. So are you ready to kind of talk
Speaker 1: about this and kind of break this down. Let's let's
Speaker 1: do it, all right, So we get Nicholas Cage playing
Speaker 1: Ben Riley hashtag not my Ben Riley, hashtag Brent's not Ben,
Speaker 1: Brent's bent Ben Riley either, the only Ben Riley is
Speaker 1: the Scarlet Spider Ben Riley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they they went away from the Peter Parker route.
Speaker 2: They went with Ben Riley to give it some difference,
Speaker 2: so that that is a a different type of feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's probably you know, that's a
Speaker 1: personal gripe for me. It's just like there's got there's
Speaker 1: there's definitely some reasoning behind that and whether the audio.
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's there's got to be some sort
Speaker 1: of reason because if we can have a Spider Verse
Speaker 1: animated movie that has everyone either Peter Parker or some
Speaker 1: variation of it, eh, you know, but that's a personal gripe.
Speaker 1: So we have Ben Riley walking through basically, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Tombs of Morture, all the all the different tombs, and
Speaker 1: we see our first look at him in costume. So
Speaker 1: it looks like a sche mask with white eyes. Literally, yeah,
Speaker 1: looks very.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean this in a derogatory way, looks
Speaker 2: very cosplay looks very put this together at homes stitch
Speaker 2: some eyes on the scheme mask that I had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I like Peter Parker in the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know. So we get a first look of him
Speaker 1: in the full cost mountain daylight. So this has taking
Speaker 1: place in the thirties. That's a good stop right there,
Speaker 1: so you get another look like these kind of fast
Speaker 1: cutaways to know the action it's going to be there. Well,
Speaker 1: then we start from the beginning, so we'll talk about
Speaker 1: these characters in the beginning. But this is I believe
Speaker 1: this is our version of Black Cat if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: Yes, this they have switched it up just slightly, so
Speaker 2: we're not getting Felicia Hardy, we're getting Cat Hardy instead.
Speaker 1: Yes, Cat Hardy, and I do like throughout this very
Speaker 1: much leaning hard into not only the era, but the
Speaker 1: genre of films, the crime noir you know, the filmmaking
Speaker 1: style of it as well. Tell me about it. So
Speaker 1: it's going to be a prime original. He's talked about
Speaker 1: the tisies feeling the thoughts, so it's a mix of
Speaker 1: crime no r but also kind of psychological because again
Speaker 1: we're assuming that he's dealing with just getting these powers
Speaker 1: for the first time, but we don't see how he
Speaker 1: got these powers, but we're assuming what he's experiencing is
Speaker 1: dealing with getting these powers and then taking over his body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's lots of his impulse as we see
Speaker 1: all the spiders around him and managed to suppress him.
Speaker 1: So he's a private investigator most of the time he
Speaker 1: suppresses them. And this is our first look at Robbie Robertson.
Speaker 2: Yep, played by the great Lamarn Morrison, who a lot
Speaker 2: of people will know from New Girl and a lot
Speaker 2: of other projects. So I'm excited to see his take
Speaker 2: on this nineteen thirty ish version of Robbie Robinson.
Speaker 1: So the obviously, so we get the hint of like
Speaker 1: he got this is probably where the bite happened. All
Speaker 1: these different images and we'll kind of see what's going on,
Speaker 1: you know, our first look at one of our villains
Speaker 1: and see if I can go back a little bit
Speaker 1: full screen. Don't want that. Okay, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: and it's hard to tell in black white. This is
Speaker 1: our first look at this, this version of Sandman, and
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna be interesting watching this in black
Speaker 1: and white and then watching in color. How because when
Speaker 1: I saw this in color, I could tell, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that definitely looks the Sandman. It's hard to tell
Speaker 1: in the black and white though. Let me get another
Speaker 1: view of another possible villain. Some cracks in the screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's well we'll go back, but there's like a spider
Speaker 1: looking creature. So the producer, Lord and Miller are producing this.
Speaker 1: What the hell happened? I beat him some guys in
Speaker 1: the bar. You see him beating some guys in any costume.
Speaker 1: He's drinking, and then I got plastered in that famous
Speaker 1: Nick Cage. That's where it's like, it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: because the Spider and we're not gonna say the Spider
Speaker 1: Man Noir character Peter Parker is a little eccentric in
Speaker 1: the comics, but I think we're they they kind of
Speaker 1: leaning into Nick Cage being Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are definitely some moments like right there with
Speaker 2: the hand movement where Nick nick Cage is just being
Speaker 2: Nick Cage and.
Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing like this, Like we get a
Speaker 1: look at the closer of this one.
Speaker 2: This looks to be an.
Speaker 1: Updated ski mask versus when we see it like this,
Speaker 1: or you know, or it could be just kind of
Speaker 1: the framing of the lighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this looks you can see a lot more defined
Speaker 2: webbing features on the mask, even though it's still in
Speaker 2: black and white.
Speaker 1: So with no power comes no responsibility. So David. I
Speaker 1: was saying this to David all Line before we jumped on. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a plan. With great power comes great responsibility. This
Speaker 1: obviously he does have powers, but I think what they're
Speaker 1: calling out for this with no power comes no responsibility.
Speaker 1: He is not of a high class of in power.
Speaker 1: He does not control a lot, he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of money. So what he's saying, if I don't
Speaker 1: have the power, I don't have any responsibilities, So why
Speaker 1: should I. He's going to act outside the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a world of cops and gangsters, you know
Speaker 2: that that is definitely plausible.
Speaker 1: And then we get our first look at molten Man.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of an existential crisis of him. Honest,
Speaker 1: cool hero shot, you know, first look at him using
Speaker 1: his webbing, some fighting going on, some falling. Got our
Speaker 1: first look at electro, so we'll pause it later. I
Speaker 1: love the swing and the swing it ain't bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they have at this point, they have mastered
Speaker 2: the physics of the swing. So I'm I'm happy that
Speaker 2: even in the black and white, even with the noir,
Speaker 2: it still looks good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching too, it's authentic black and white and true hue,
Speaker 1: full color. So we get a preview what the color
Speaker 1: looks like, so I'll definitely give the color a shot.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be interesting. Like I said, like in
Speaker 1: the trailer, it's hard to tell certain things, but I understand,
Speaker 1: at least from a huge fan of that era of
Speaker 1: movies and the crime noir and film noir in general.
Speaker 1: I think for our first trailer it was it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know. It definitely gave me intrigued it,
Speaker 1: you know, jokes aside it it wasn't there. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as bad as I was worried it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: Bears Laire says, it's spider a spider Man noir black
Speaker 1: and white. Of course. Yep, it's three details in the
Speaker 1: chat getting a lot to Spidery this summer can't wait?
Speaker 1: Is this supposed to be the same version that was
Speaker 1: in common? So I don't believe. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is gonna be tying into Spider Verse at all.
Speaker 1: I think they're just taking the character that happens to be.
Speaker 1: They're casting Nick Cage as the same character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keeping the voice, but it is a different character.
Speaker 2: The version from Spider Verse was a version of Peter Parker.
Speaker 2: So this is like we said, this has Ben Riley,
Speaker 2: so it is not the same. They are just keeping
Speaker 2: the voice in the inflections to kind of give you
Speaker 2: that familiarity, but it is a different take on the character.
Speaker 1: Yes, like I said, he's called Ben Riley hashtag not
Speaker 1: my Ben Riley. But so Esquire Magazine had a full
Speaker 1: exclusive of getting full access and dropping some isslusive first take,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna pull some ideas from it of the articles.
Speaker 1: So uh, they you know, they go into the whole
Speaker 1: idea of the full color version and the black and
Speaker 1: white and they both and they Lord and Miller say
Speaker 1: that both formats were created so that the viewers could
Speaker 1: choose their own preference. The truth is they both work,
Speaker 1: and they're both beautiful for different reasons. Cage tells us
Speaker 1: the color is super saturated and gorgeous, so it's not
Speaker 1: just going to be modern color. They're going to kind
Speaker 1: of give it a a aura about it. That's what
Speaker 1: they call it, like true hue. I think teenage I
Speaker 1: think teenage viewers will appreciate the color, but I also
Speaker 1: want them to have the option they want to experience
Speaker 1: the concept of black and white. Maybe they would instill
Speaker 1: some interest to look at earlier movies, enjoy the art.
Speaker 1: The show runner says spider Man Noir, he hopes it
Speaker 1: feels like a relic from another time, even though the
Speaker 1: full color version doesn't look precisely modern. It's like a
Speaker 1: black and white film that's been colorized, and it's the
Speaker 1: inspiration that they had to do it, which we do
Speaker 1: see with a lot of different film.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do like where they immediately after this that
Speaker 2: the color version will give you feels of Dick Tracy.
Speaker 2: So if you are at or around my age for context,
Speaker 2: I turned forty in a couple of months, you are
Speaker 2: very familiar with Dick Tracy. Well, So to have that
Speaker 2: that be where they were veering towards with the colorization
Speaker 2: of this, it makes it gives me hope for watching
Speaker 2: those episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great call. So they go into talking
Speaker 1: about like the character and you know, the newest introduction
Speaker 1: to Spider Man Noir was into the Spider Verse. They
Speaker 1: said it was the biggest no brainer of all time.
Speaker 1: Miller said, we called up our buddy or who had
Speaker 1: worked with us before, who we knew was the biggest
Speaker 1: Mara fisionado we knew, and we came up with the
Speaker 1: take that was perfect it, you know, they and so
Speaker 1: they were. They really loved the idea of a care
Speaker 1: that a Spider character that was set in this time period.
Speaker 1: They go on to say the death of the Spider
Speaker 1: history was important because Spider Noir was taking some big
Speaker 1: swings through the corridors of old New York. Although Kate
Speaker 1: voice the variant Peter Parker and Spider Verse movies, his
Speaker 1: fedora wearing gum shoe in Spider Noir series would have
Speaker 1: a different real life alter ego. This hero is Ben Riley,
Speaker 1: who was introduced into Marvel comics in the mid seventies
Speaker 1: as a contemporary clone of the young Peter Parker known
Speaker 1: as Scarlett Spider. In the show, Riley's mass crime fighter
Speaker 1: persona is not is not called Spider Man. He's just
Speaker 1: called the Spider, a callback to the early heroes of
Speaker 1: the era, like the Spirit the Shadow. There were several
Speaker 1: reasons for Ben riley change up. The main one was
Speaker 1: the nature of Noir's storytelling itself, the genres. So they say,
Speaker 1: yet they say that, I don't buy it.
Speaker 2: I think it's just because they have a Spider Man
Speaker 2: moved be coming out in a couple of months, and
Speaker 2: they're not trying to confuse the general audience with Peter Parker's.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they want to tell themselves. They're
Speaker 1: going to confuse the general audience. I think they're treating
Speaker 1: the general audience like a bunch of idiots. But they
Speaker 1: are not. You know, I think they can tell the difference,
Speaker 1: and those that can't, well, I can't help you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: At this point, most general audiences are at least somewhat
Speaker 2: versed in multiversal theory. We can separate. Oh, this is
Speaker 2: not that version of Peter Parker. I mean, we've gone
Speaker 2: through this gauntlet of movies and series. You don't have to. Oh,
Speaker 2: we don't want the audience to be confused anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, spidermar could not be an optimist. Peter Parker feels
Speaker 1: very synonymous with high school kid boysh on his way up.
Speaker 1: So they chose the clone character's back door. It could
Speaker 1: be more easily adjusted to fit the pessimistic misanthrope. See,
Speaker 1: and that's the problem I have. Well, the going here's
Speaker 1: another quote. This character is very different from Peter Parker
Speaker 1: from the movie. He's older and jaded, not afraid to
Speaker 1: punch a guy in the face drunkenly, Miner says, while
Speaker 1: Lower chimes in, he's already had his Chinatown disillusionment moment
Speaker 1: that happened years and years ago. So if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen China Chinatown, do that for do that for homework
Speaker 1: for this weekend, because it's an amazing movie with the
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson In another nineteen seventies take on the film
Speaker 1: noir genre, again, I that is a version of Peter
Speaker 1: Parker that like the boys to plucky things like that.
Speaker 1: That's not always who Peter Parker is, And that doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be the version of Peter Parker the version
Speaker 1: Tom Hollins Peter Parker's He's not that type anymore. So
Speaker 1: to say that that's that it is, I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's more cover that I don't necessarily totally
Speaker 1: buy into, but you know, they want to, they want
Speaker 1: to put it out there. That's fine, but I do'll
Speaker 1: buy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, Peter Parker doesn't always have to
Speaker 2: be the geeky high school kid. We've seen Peter Parker
Speaker 2: grew up in the comics before various resets, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's very well done. You can have a more adult,
Speaker 2: a more I've been through some things. I've seen some
Speaker 2: things type Peter Parker, and it'd be just fine.
Speaker 1: Yep. So instead of a kid coming of age while
Speaker 1: dealing with the surprisingly new power Spid Noir is a
Speaker 1: guy whose hero complex has collapsed into a midlife crisis.
Speaker 1: Ben Riley has already gone through the entire arc and
Speaker 1: has seen it all. He's over it. He's trying to
Speaker 1: move past it, but his past kind of creeps up,
Speaker 1: coming back to haunt him. It's just a different version
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen before, which I'm fine. Again, I
Speaker 1: have no problem with them making a chance. I have
Speaker 1: a problem when they're trying to give cover to something
Speaker 1: that's saying, just just be truthful to us, you know,
Speaker 1: don't try to give it again. I love the idea
Speaker 1: of making a shift if I want to have if
Speaker 1: I wanted the comic version, I have the comics. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the change in identity is also
Speaker 1: the mystery. The producers say we'll be addressed in the
Speaker 1: show itself. I have to be coy about this reason
Speaker 1: because because you'll find out, Lord says, the reason he
Speaker 1: named Ben Riley is explained. Okay, and we'll leave it
Speaker 1: at that. Okay, I didn't need an explanation why Ben Riley,
Speaker 1: but that intrigues me, you know.
Speaker 2: And I hope it is a damn good reason and
Speaker 2: not just some throwaway reason. Yeah, you come back to later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also a thing that producers sometimes, Oh you
Speaker 1: wait for it, You're gonna see it. It's like, really,
Speaker 1: that was it. That was a waste, Thanks for teasing that.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage tells Esquire that he saw his Ben Riley
Speaker 1: performance is seventy percent Humphrey Bogart, thirty percent bugs money
Speaker 1: given there as a comedic side to the mist, to
Speaker 1: the mystery story, but the producers say he's also gave
Speaker 1: them different description of what he was trying to do. Uh.
Speaker 1: Nick brought all this thinking to the character and really
Speaker 1: surprised us and was kind of a head slapper. Lord explains.
Speaker 1: His take was like, I'm a spider trying to cosplay
Speaker 1: as a human. He's code switching inside the body. He
Speaker 1: feels like an animal. So there you go. There's a cosplay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not gonna lie. This is the one article,
Speaker 2: the one line of the article that did scare me
Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh god, Nick Cage playing a spider,
Speaker 2: cusplaying as a human. This can get off the rails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they go into now further. The supporting cast,
Speaker 1: they said. Among them is Robbie Robertson, a familiar face
Speaker 1: in the newsroom of the Daily Bugle. This version is
Speaker 1: still a journalist, but pounding as a freelance beat looking
Speaker 1: beat reporter looking for stories from the heart of the city.
Speaker 1: He's Riley's friend and collaborator, played by As You Said,
Speaker 1: Lamar and Morris, best known for the sitcom New Girl
Speaker 1: and his role as Garrett Morris in Saturday Night and
Speaker 1: his Emmy Award winning turnt as Fatally Honest Midwestern cop.
Speaker 1: In this season five of Fargo, they're both investigators, Uzil
Speaker 1: says of Riley and Ben, they both go back a
Speaker 1: long way. Their friendship has really deep ties. The biggest
Speaker 1: and most obvious difference is that Robbie is a guy
Speaker 1: who almost carries around a rabbit's foot. He thinks he's
Speaker 1: lucky and he's going all going to work out. Ben
Speaker 1: is a character who thinks it's never going to work out.
Speaker 1: It's always going to go terribly. Life's a big disaster.
Speaker 1: So Ben's citicism is kind of an opposing force for
Speaker 1: Robbie's optimism, and so therefore there is your Peter Parker luck,
Speaker 1: which he has none. So that requires an actor who
Speaker 1: consists optimism without seeming like a chump. Robbie's living in
Speaker 1: his thirties and the depression, and he's going through it,
Speaker 1: and he walks into any room thinking he can talk
Speaker 1: himself out of whatever problem finds him in the morning.
Speaker 1: Is so effortsly charming, and he's going to pull off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that is perfect casting for this version. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're going to go for the happy buddy
Speaker 2: person like that, this is a perfect casting for that.
Speaker 2: I think that he's gonna encapsulate this version of Robbie
Speaker 2: Robinson very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Riley's other major support pillar is his trustee secretary
Speaker 1: of Janet, played by Karen Rodriguez from The Hunting Wives.
Speaker 1: In addition to fielding calls and set and set and
Speaker 1: setting appointments, she's a pretty good investigator on her own,
Speaker 1: and she's as a resourceful girl Friday when Riley needs
Speaker 1: help keeping up with everything. Janet isn't drawn from any
Speaker 1: particular Marvel character. She's an original creation as as we
Speaker 1: can have one as in this point storytelling. So that's
Speaker 1: you know again, that's fine. You gotta have someone running it.
Speaker 1: No film noir would be complete without a femme fatale,
Speaker 1: and that role is filled out by Kat Hardy, played
Speaker 1: by Lee June Lee, a nightclub sean talise who lures
Speaker 1: Riley into the underworld conspiracy at the center of the series.
Speaker 1: Comic fan full and men immediately be drawing a connection
Speaker 1: between her nickname and Felicia Hardy, better known as Master Receive.
Speaker 1: Black Cat. Lee has become known for the channeling women
Speaker 1: of this era of history. She's probably best known as
Speaker 1: a grocery proprietor Grace Chow and the Oscar Juggernaut centers.
Speaker 1: Yes what I say, I said, Yes I know her. Yes, really,
Speaker 1: she's Rita Hayworth, who's so great in Gilda and Lady
Speaker 1: from Shanghai. And then she's a little bit of Lauren
Speaker 1: Bacall because Bogie and Baccall go so well together. Here's
Speaker 1: some Kimba singer from Ali Confidential. I absolutely adore that
Speaker 1: movie in terms of how she fits into everything. She's
Speaker 1: an amalgam of different things, so that that's gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of a flum payoff. I mean that's I immediately
Speaker 1: you know clocked it right there. She's gonna be the
Speaker 1: femme fatale.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited to see how she pulls that off.
Speaker 2: From the trailers to just knowing and seeing the actor
Speaker 2: and various things to this description. I'm excited to see
Speaker 2: how they pull off, especially in that nineteen thirty feel
Speaker 2: of this having her in that role, how they switch
Speaker 2: up the black Cat roll to be that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The story of Spider Noir focuses on in gangling
Speaker 1: Balls known as silver Main, played by Brendan Gleeson, who
Speaker 1: has been the subject of repeated assassination at tempts. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's just one of the hazard of his business, or
Speaker 1: maybe there's a broader scheme at play. Riley starts to
Speaker 1: believe something's amiss when the in an arsonist suspect of
Speaker 1: setting a blaze to Silvermain's mansion, reveals that he can
Speaker 1: spark fire from his hands. AKA that is that is
Speaker 1: our new molten Man. Then Riley runs a foul of
Speaker 1: hired muscle named Flint Marco, and we also pause, that
Speaker 1: is the Sandman. So you're gonna see versions of Malta Man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna molten Man, You're gonna see versions of Sandman
Speaker 1: and also Electro as well. So that was kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, nice little deep dive in who had
Speaker 1: kind of given us a full picture of what is
Speaker 1: going to be looking at. So I'm gonna pull up
Speaker 1: the Deadline article that has some first looks at some
Speaker 1: of these images as well. So we see the Spider,
Speaker 1: not Spider Man, the Spider, you know, channeling his uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Batman on the rooftop with lightning and rain
Speaker 1: falling in the background. Got Janet right here, Robbie Robertson, Yeah, Cat,
Speaker 1: it's Private Investigator. Isn't a great look at the Spider?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And this article from Deadline looking at the black
Speaker 2: and white image of Nicholas Cage as been Riley akay
Speaker 2: the Spider, you can again see the detail in the
Speaker 2: mask and you can see the web outline. So it's
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how this translates to the black
Speaker 2: and white fully.
Speaker 1: And then lastly, here's color shots of some of our villains.
Speaker 1: So off to the left hand side. This is coming
Speaker 1: from NeXT's point News Scream Grabs. They had you have
Speaker 1: the Sandman, this Electros looks like we're going to a
Speaker 1: version of Electro. We've got molten Man and this one
Speaker 1: right here that we don't have a name for it,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely you know, MULTII. So maybe uh one
Speaker 1: who's gotten bitten by a spider and kind of mutated
Speaker 1: a little bit more, not in the right way. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm cautious to see who this fourth character is.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to tell from steal who they
Speaker 2: could be playing if it's a brand new character, if
Speaker 2: it's a retooled version of a classic Spider Man villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, so March twenty seventh. I think they
Speaker 1: said the release date.
Speaker 2: Is May twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: I think May twenty seventh, Sorry, May May March, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Well good, at least we're not competing with
Speaker 1: other shows.
Speaker 2: Yes, May May twenty seventh, because I remember it being
Speaker 2: right after my birthday. So May twenty seventh is when
Speaker 2: this debut's and it looks like it's going to be
Speaker 2: a straight bin drop.
Speaker 1: I have feelings, many feelings on this. We just went
Speaker 1: through this. Goodness, gracious, stop doing this to us podcasters
Speaker 1: and content creators, please, because we don't even know how
Speaker 1: long these episodes are going to be, and a lot
Speaker 1: of Amazon shows last an hour, So stay tuned when
Speaker 1: we get towards May, and we'll let you know how
Speaker 1: we're gonna break this down. When we find out how
Speaker 1: long these episodes are. It may be another one because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know if we know
Speaker 1: how many episodes there are gonna be.
Speaker 2: I I don't know. As of right now, I don't
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything that's been released that says how
Speaker 2: many episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all right, so yeah, that was kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely very interested.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Scott McClellan had messaged me with
Speaker 1: his tweet that you know very much gives us in
Speaker 1: City vibes. He's also a very big fan of the
Speaker 1: film noir genre like I am, so I know he's
Speaker 1: definitely here for this and like I said, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely one yet we will cover on this show,
Speaker 1: and I'm very I have I have some my expectations
Speaker 1: have risen for this now that I've finally got a
Speaker 1: good look at it. So again, if Nick Cage is
Speaker 1: gonna get to Nick Cage as long as we kind
Speaker 1: of honor the character doing new spin to it. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm down for it. Will you have a Rubik's Cube though?
Speaker 1: That is my question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I again, I'm I'm excited to see I says
Speaker 2: a little bit of seventy percent humph for Bogar, but
Speaker 2: thirty percent Bugs Bunny. I feel like it's gonna be
Speaker 2: more fifty percent Humphrey Bogar, three percent Bugs Bunny, and
Speaker 2: twenty percent Nick Cage just being Nick.
Speaker 1: Cage, Nick Cage, Let's swing baby, all right. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna take probably what ends up being our only ad
Speaker 1: break for the evening. So listeners, these ads help keep
Speaker 1: the lights on the Geegle to Midlianes network. These ads.
Speaker 1: These ads, Uh, we don't control how many, how often
Speaker 1: they come on what they are, but gonna be that
Speaker 1: three count before they come because they could be a
Speaker 1: bit loud. So three two one, we'll be right back
Speaker 1: and we are back. Well, you got detail, says you
Speaker 1: look quite. You look younger, David.
Speaker 2: I I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I will be turning forty two in March, so you know,
Speaker 1: you know you're you're just a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 1: I always tell people how old are you I'm as
Speaker 1: old as the morning a night star. So all right,
Speaker 1: I do not think I checked the feeds. I don't
Speaker 1: think we have any questions this week, so you know,
Speaker 1: so that's okay, that's okay, No, nothing like that. But
Speaker 1: factor fictions we do have, and so once from last
Speaker 1: week that I had Hulk number one, Hulk will go
Speaker 1: into a new transformation in Spider Man Brand New Day
Speaker 1: seventy three percent said fact twenty seven percent of fiction.
Speaker 1: Number two, we will see the symbiate piece that was
Speaker 1: last seen, and Spider Man No Way Home return in
Speaker 1: some way in Spider Man Brand New Day sixty seven
Speaker 1: percent in fact thirty three percent of fiction. And number
Speaker 1: three Vision Quest will be a lead in for Avengers
Speaker 1: Doomsday fifty fifty split.
Speaker 2: Not sure, Yeah that I'm I'm surprised that that one
Speaker 2: was such a dad even split.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what can I say? Uh, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to want to you know, stump them at that point, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So but all right, what you got this week.
Speaker 2: Okay, Factor fiction number one is the Osborne family will
Speaker 2: be mentioned in Spider Noir.
Speaker 1: The Osborne family so just mentioned, not not seen, just
Speaker 1: like a throwaway line would count.
Speaker 2: Now it could be a throwway line. It could be
Speaker 2: an Osborne business in the background, a corporation, but the
Speaker 2: Osborne family will be mentioned.
Speaker 1: Okay, I could see them dropping in East tradit like that.
Speaker 1: I think this show is gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: especially with Lord and Meyler at the Helm, I could
Speaker 1: see them dropping just those references. Say, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: fact on that one. What about you?
Speaker 2: I think that they can't help but throw something. Just
Speaker 2: like how in a lot of stuff we get the
Speaker 2: rocks On reference. I think we're gonna get an Osborne
Speaker 2: reference here. Yeah, all right, the Spider AKAA Spider Man
Speaker 2: Noir will appear again in Beyond the Spider Verse, So
Speaker 2: this version Ben Riley Verse live action will appear in
Speaker 2: Beyond the Spider Verse.
Speaker 1: Uh, you want a pointing meme? Basically at this point,
Speaker 1: it could.
Speaker 2: Be a pointing meme. It could be how they cast
Speaker 2: Donald Glover as the Prowler in Across the Spider Verse.
Speaker 2: You know, just just some some way they are gonna
Speaker 2: shoehorn this version in there.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna fiction on it. That's
Speaker 1: not a hard fiction, but I'm gonna go fiction on
Speaker 1: this because I think, I I if we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: them separate. I think we keep them separate. And uh,
Speaker 1: I want to see that version of Spider Spider Man
Speaker 1: Noir as voice by Nick Cage versus versus this right now,
Speaker 1: so I'll get to say fiction.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go fact on this. I don't think they
Speaker 2: will do the pointing Memes style crossover where they meet
Speaker 2: each other, but I do think that there will be
Speaker 2: either something in the background or crossing over a multiverse
Speaker 2: where they will have them go through this version of
Speaker 2: the Marvel.
Speaker 1: Universe, all right, and number three and the last.
Speaker 2: One, we will get another set of doomsday teasers before
Speaker 2: we get an actual doomsday trailer. We still have some
Speaker 2: characters that we haven't seen that we know are confirmed.
Speaker 2: We've got Loki, We've got the Abingers with a Z.
Speaker 2: We've got a nice handful of characters that we haven't
Speaker 2: seen yet in teasers. So I'm wondering we sam got
Speaker 2: a trailer yet. If they're going to give us a
Speaker 2: couple more teasers before they give us the real thing.
Speaker 1: I could possibly see it. I think it was a
Speaker 1: fun gimmick for what they did, and that it was
Speaker 1: tied into you know, you know Avatar. At that point,
Speaker 1: I think that it did what it needed to do.
Speaker 1: I think at that point people are gonna kind of
Speaker 1: get a little eyrolly with it. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: not gonna not draw good numbers. I think at this
Speaker 1: point people are gonna want a trailer. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to give us a trailer, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have fiction on that. I think they'll I think they
Speaker 1: will move beyond this. Again, it's almost like that line
Speaker 1: from Ocean twelve Osian thirteen. You know, you don't do
Speaker 1: the same thing, you do the next thing, you do
Speaker 1: the better thing at that point. So I'm not saying
Speaker 1: no normal trailer is innovative. I'm just saying it's time
Speaker 1: for a real official trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm fifty to fifty on this. I think
Speaker 2: it really depends on what their their thought processes coming
Speaker 2: out of Spider Man. So I'm leaning more towards fact
Speaker 2: on it, just because I don't know if they will
Speaker 2: want to put something before Spider Man, or if they're
Speaker 2: going to have an ending credits to Spider Man that
Speaker 2: that helps lead. So I don't know if they want
Speaker 2: to play their hand beforehand, but it's getting about time
Speaker 2: we get somebody's trailer.
Speaker 1: Would you think they would pull what they did at
Speaker 1: the end of No Way Home and basically end up
Speaker 1: the the the post credit scene is basically the trailer
Speaker 1: for or would they just do a proper trailer right before?
Speaker 1: I think you got today?
Speaker 2: I think you gotta go proper trailer, Okay, okay, because
Speaker 2: they've only done that once and it was kind of interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh but all right, well I will post those on
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 1: Let your voices be heard with that, and uh let
Speaker 1: us bring the illustrious return of Comic Book Club reading
Speaker 1: Age of Ultron. Yes, for those I was listening, I'm
Speaker 1: holding up the physical oversized hardcover edition of the storyline itself.
Speaker 1: We are reading, we are breaking down tonight the very
Speaker 1: first issue of of this series. So so issue number one,
Speaker 1: good and good thing. I did you know issue so
Speaker 1: we're not reading anything kind of before after there, you know,
Speaker 1: there was an issue that uh that kind of was
Speaker 1: a precursor to it, but we did we did not
Speaker 1: read that one. So uh so the the the issue
Speaker 1: opens with New York City in a major, major, major disaster,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the city is is torn to shreds and there
Speaker 2: is a big presence hovering over the city.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But someone is lurking in the shadows and watching,
Speaker 1: and it is Hawkeye and basically kind of taking down
Speaker 1: what ends up being a drug dealing a drug dealing
Speaker 1: uh house. Uh. These these people seem to be hooked
Speaker 1: up on uh mgh growth hormones and and so he
Speaker 1: starts taking about it. He's obviously looking for someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he is. He's on a mission now. Yes,
Speaker 2: he is doing the hero thing and taking out the
Speaker 2: bad guys and trying to free the girls, but he is,
Speaker 2: he's here on a different mission. And you know, he's
Speaker 2: telling everyone basically, hey, get out of here. I'm not
Speaker 2: here for you.
Speaker 1: Go.
Speaker 2: This is your chance to go now. The bad guys
Speaker 2: don't take them up on that offer. And man, this
Speaker 2: version of Hawkeye gets a little violent with these he's taking.
Speaker 1: He's going, he's not he's not aiming a wound. He's
Speaker 1: he's shoot to kill at that point. I mean. And
Speaker 1: he's one of the greatest marksmen ever. So even when
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing nice, he could play. When he was
Speaker 1: playing nice, he could have done this earlier. But who
Speaker 1: is he searching for and who is he trying to rescue?
Speaker 2: All right, so we see after a conversation or after
Speaker 2: a confrontation with the owlm with Hammerhead, that he is
Speaker 2: they have Spider Man tied up in their midst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's rescuing Peter Parker, Owl Owl. The Owl
Speaker 1: and Hammerhead are the kind of runners of this, and
Speaker 1: they were going to be using trading in Peter Parker
Speaker 1: for I guess more free passes from what we end
Speaker 1: up finding out is the ultrons at that point. So
Speaker 1: as they're fighting, as Hawkey and Peter are trying to
Speaker 1: fight their way out get past it, they start it
Speaker 1: almost feels like it looks like an earthquakes happening, but
Speaker 1: looks like these ultrons are surrounding the area as they say,
Speaker 1: all humanoid life form you are to exit the premises immediately.
Speaker 1: And Al was saying, hey, he paid, there's an understanding,
Speaker 1: we give you this stuff, you're supposed to give a
Speaker 1: free pass. Well, they don't care, and so Peter and
Speaker 1: Hawkeye try to get out of there as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: and the ultrons basically destroy the building in the area,
Speaker 1: and Hawkeye and Spider Man barely escape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you can tell that this is a different,
Speaker 2: more dystopian world. And at one point, once Peter is saved,
Speaker 2: he turns out Hawkeye says thanks for the rescue, and
Speaker 2: he asked him he goes, are there others? And Hawkeye
Speaker 2: replies not enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they end up going into the kind of
Speaker 1: the underground and before we get to the underground layer,
Speaker 1: we see a fallen hillcarrier. Hawkeyed is not greeted well
Speaker 1: by excuse me, not gretty well by some of the
Speaker 1: fibers or so who is not happy to be Hawkeye again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke Cage has him pinned up against the wall
Speaker 2: and he's like, I told you not to come back.
Speaker 2: We've got a new look she Hulk, who's got Spider
Speaker 2: Man in a choke hole, like why are you here?
Speaker 2: And Tony Stark is there to give them the once
Speaker 2: over before allowing them any further. But it's it's pretty
Speaker 2: obvious that they told Hawkey, if you walk out of here,
Speaker 2: do not come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They didn't want him to rescue Peter because again
Speaker 1: they're trying to survive this and they were worried that
Speaker 1: he was going to lead him back or be a mullen,
Speaker 1: So Tony puts his mechanism over their mouth. They kind
Speaker 1: of scan their voices and also scan internally to see
Speaker 1: if Ultron has secretly infected them, because obviously that sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, a very Terminator esque at that point to
Speaker 1: kind of do a detection run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's determined that they're clean of any known
Speaker 2: elements from Ultron, even though Luke says, hey, Ultron's evolving.
Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing that you know of. You scan
Speaker 2: for things, there could be something new. And then that's
Speaker 2: when Emma Frost shows up and says, Nope, they're definitely clean.
Speaker 2: Leave them alone, yep, And we see Wolverine right next
Speaker 2: to her.
Speaker 1: You know, they get it. Kind of a layer of
Speaker 1: the land and kind of the survivors of this and
Speaker 1: it kind of ends with you knows as no one
Speaker 1: gave up? Is it? What do you call this? Is
Speaker 1: that we have no plan? And whose fault is that
Speaker 1: he's working on it? Tony says, is that what you is?
Speaker 1: That what you call it? And you just The last
Speaker 1: shot is a splash page of Captain America sitting down,
Speaker 1: head inside and sitting down in defeat. So this is
Speaker 1: and that's how issue number one ends. And so the
Speaker 1: heroes are not in a very good place right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised because it's Ultron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they've gotten their butts beaten. Obviously.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Instead of being the forward, you know, let's let's go
Speaker 2: get them version of Captain America that we're all used to,
Speaker 2: this is a beat up defeat. It looks like defeated
Speaker 2: physically and mentally version of cap yep.
Speaker 1: So, but all right, well we will come to you
Speaker 1: next week with issue number two of Age of Ultron
Speaker 1: and kind of delve into what is going on, what
Speaker 1: has happened, and maybe get some more answers and maybe
Speaker 1: lead to more questions. But yeah, a shorter episode of
Speaker 1: Marvel Alliance this week. Again, it was just the you know,
Speaker 1: Spider Noir was our biggest thing, so we said, hey,
Speaker 1: it's good enough to have a show, break it down
Speaker 1: and we'll see what next week brings. So so tell David,
Speaker 1: tell people how they can follow you.
Speaker 2: You can follow me on all socials at the Phantom,
Speaker 2: you can follow me here on the gig Vers Network.
Speaker 2: As part of our wrestling showed the gimmick we just
Speaker 2: had a show this past weekend doing our final playthrough
Speaker 2: of w W two K twenty five with our my
Speaker 2: GM mode Tune in to see who took the leaderboard
Speaker 2: with that, we had a change almost halfway through the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. It was a fun playthrough as
Speaker 2: we get ready for WrestleMania season and the release of
Speaker 2: WW two K twenty six.
Speaker 1: Oh, which version of you getting? There's a lot of
Speaker 1: different versions you get.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of different versions. I am thinking
Speaker 2: I'm going with the Monday Night War version, but I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure it's either that or the Attitude Era.
Speaker 2: It's one of the top two tiers. I haven't decided
Speaker 2: if I'm willing to pull the one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars trigger on that or not.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, But let me ask you this, what
Speaker 1: besides the different cover is it basically does it lock
Speaker 1: you out of certain things for versions or what's what's
Speaker 1: the gimmick.
Speaker 2: If you go and get the one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars version, Basically you get the first seasons of the
Speaker 2: Battle Pass included with it. So if you're familiar, if
Speaker 2: you play the game before, it's the season passes, that
Speaker 2: they really at least the delcs with now they are
Speaker 2: switching it more to a battle pass formula. I'll la
Speaker 2: Fortnite or Call of Duty where you play through and
Speaker 2: you unlock these things. You get the first six seasons
Speaker 2: if you get the Monday Night War version, like I said,
Speaker 2: it's all six. If you get the Attitude era version,
Speaker 2: I believe it's the first four or five. At Kings
Speaker 2: of King version is three, and then the regular version
Speaker 2: is just the game itself. If you get the King
Speaker 2: of Kings or above and you pre order, you also
Speaker 2: get it a week early.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, interesting, yeah, man, man, that takes me
Speaker 1: back the Attitude era of the Monday Night Wars man
Speaker 1: those and I will and I always was a Triple
Speaker 1: H fan. I know it was a heel, but I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed his character. So but yeah, all right, well, yes,
Speaker 1: you can follow me on all the socials act Chris
Speaker 1: Balga we just literally recorded right before I jumped down.
Speaker 1: Jake and I from Brave and the Boys. We recorded
Speaker 1: are monthly April solicits for Panel Bound Comics, so check
Speaker 1: that out. That would be coming out in next couple
Speaker 1: of days. Breaking down all our favorite pre orders for
Speaker 1: the April solicitations to check that out and definitely, as
Speaker 1: always speaking of Pedelbound Comics is our official sponsor. Make
Speaker 1: sure you make sure that you open there we go.
Speaker 1: Make sure that you use it code Marvel gua check
Speaker 1: out to get two dollars off every single order or
Speaker 1: use it code mg mg UA sit for get that
Speaker 1: five percent off for when you order four or more
Speaker 1: books together. But yeah, you can get you all the
Speaker 1: socials at Chris Balga. You can follow this show on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Marvel a podcast. You can email the show
Speaker 1: at Marvel linespodcast at gmail dot com and feel for
Speaker 1: to tweet, email or want to bride feedback, ask questions.
Speaker 1: All our dms are open. Continue to rate, review Marvel
Speaker 1: Lines on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts. We greatly appreciate it. Thank y'all for listening,
Speaker 1: Thank y'all for joining us live chat. Stay safe out there, everyone,
Speaker 1: and a state of man would say excelsi or true believers,
Speaker 1: all right. David post credits discussion tonight what he got
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: Okay, according to the direct on this comes also in
Speaker 2: conjunction with Daniel RpK that the rumor is Sony Pictures
Speaker 2: is open to sharing more Spider Man characters with Marvel. So,
Speaker 2: with that being said, which character would you like to
Speaker 2: see either debut or be redone under the Marvel Studios banner.
Speaker 1: Well, this is where we get to the crunchy part
Speaker 1: of the show. As a shout out to our good
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Chuck at that point, this is
Speaker 1: where we get to the crunchiness of this where we
Speaker 1: delve into these interesting topics. So what character would we
Speaker 1: like to see Redone? You know, low hanging Fruit, Venom.
Speaker 1: I don't think everything was you know, it was their version,
Speaker 1: but that's low hanging fruit. I mean, I think we
Speaker 1: both could agree Venom, we would like to see where
Speaker 1: you're done when we can commonly say.
Speaker 2: Venom was one of I had two choices for Redone,
Speaker 2: and Venom is definitely one of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, another character, let's see, man, I'm trying to stay
Speaker 1: away from Venom. The characters. I say, anything with Carnage
Speaker 1: was another one, but I didn't care about more based
Speaker 1: as a character, so it really wasn't when I was
Speaker 1: pining after I mean, I guess Craven in a way,
Speaker 1: but they're just there. Wasn't a lot. I mean, let
Speaker 1: me hear yours, because right now I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: outside of Venom. I'm not coming up with a lot.
Speaker 2: Craven was definitely one, especially because a year before we
Speaker 2: got Craven the movie, we had Craven as a part
Speaker 2: of Spider Man to the video game and he was
Speaker 2: so well done. You got that more look to and
Speaker 2: then you get this weird mutated version that's just a
Speaker 2: walking peda ad that is Craven the movie. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you you had all these tools, you could have made
Speaker 2: this incredible character. We know he translates well because we
Speaker 2: saw it back in the nineties in the cartoon version.
Speaker 2: We just saw it a year earlier in Spider Man
Speaker 2: two the video game, like you can do this character credit,
Speaker 2: but this version was just not hitting. So I would
Speaker 2: love a version that actually went toe to toe trying
Speaker 2: to hunt Spider Man. I think that would be an
Speaker 2: incredible villain.
Speaker 1: And bears Layer says redone Symbias and for a new character, Scorpion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, I would love to see, like, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from Amazing Spider Man. The rhino was just a joke, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't wasn't that it wasn't that interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean outside of Venomin and Craven, I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna say Madam Webb and all those because that those
Speaker 1: doesn't own interest me, It doesn't you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing about Madam Webb come into the screen
Speaker 2: that interests me at all. I know Ryan Coogler had
Speaker 2: said that he had wanted to use Craven as well,
Speaker 2: alongside Ulyss's Claw and Killmonger, but you know that was
Speaker 2: shot down. So that's And as for debuts, I mean,
Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit with that one is Miles Morales. Like,
Speaker 2: if I can get live action Miles Morales. I'm still hoping,
Speaker 2: wait and wishing come Secret Wars that we get live
Speaker 2: action Miles Morales. But as a huge fan of that
Speaker 2: character and the impact that that character had on my
Speaker 2: family and my kids, I want to see a live
Speaker 2: action version of Miles Morales. Yeah, I'll do one.
Speaker 1: Bet, I'll do you one like to your love of Miles.
Speaker 1: I love Miles, But my other one is gonna be Miguel.
Speaker 1: You know, I know what they're painting them in across
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse at that point, but too, there's so
Speaker 1: much of an interesting world building you can do in
Speaker 1: Nueva York and the world of twenty ninety nine with
Speaker 1: Miguel kind of at the head of it. You can
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun and just see I mean,
Speaker 1: just look at the set pieces alone. I mean just
Speaker 1: a mix of like a Blade Runner or a Judge
Speaker 1: Dread kind of atmosphere and things like that. Like, you
Speaker 1: could have a lot of futuristic fun with Miguel Spider
Speaker 1: Man twenty nine nine. That that Aaron, just build a
Speaker 1: whole new sub world within the Marvel Universe of twenty
Speaker 1: ninety nine and bring some new love to that universe,
Speaker 1: because I'm a diehard supporter of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miguel would be great. I'd love to see their
Speaker 2: interpretation of him. I'd love to see him. I'd love
Speaker 2: to see that ninety nine. I'd love to see that
Speaker 2: suit and live action. I'm not gonna lie like I
Speaker 2: would love to see their take them on the on
Speaker 2: that seat.
Speaker 1: So but all right, well, we will see what news
Speaker 1: Marble news comes next week. But y'all enjoy your weekend
Speaker 1: and stay safe and we will hopefully see you next week.
Speaker 1: Bye bye. Yeah,