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<v Speaker 3>Man All right, Aiden Paladin, Welcome back to the Jay

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<v Speaker 6>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good, Hey, thanks for having me back. How are

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<v Speaker 4>you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing quite well. I'm always excited to have you

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<v Speaker 3>on our last discussion I think was particularly interesting. But uh,

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<v Speaker 3>in the couple months since, you have continued to put

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<v Speaker 3>out a lot of great work on your YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, including a pretty interesting piece about left wing

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<v Speaker 3>political violence. Now, obviously the big story really of the

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<v Speaker 3>last year was the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but political

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<v Speaker 3>violence has not stopped in the intervening time. Obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 3>been dramatic footage out of Minnesota. Two ICE agents were

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<v Speaker 3>shot in the Pacific Northwest overnight. This is continuing. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious if you could, could you describe what provoked

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<v Speaker 3>you to make this and then you know what you found, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was the assassination of Charlie Kirk that was

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<v Speaker 4>the impetus behind me looking into it. And then also

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<v Speaker 4>what I found to be a consistent problem in looking

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<v Speaker 4>into violence rates, terrorism rates, these kinds of things is

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<v Speaker 4>that there are often gaps in the data that are

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<v Speaker 4>just not accounted for, and so I wanted to take

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<v Speaker 4>a look for myself and see what we've got, For example,

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<v Speaker 4>massive data sets, the purest data set, which is Personals

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<v Speaker 4>of individual Radicalization in the United States, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>Global Terrorism Database. These are particularly the GTD Global Terrorism

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<v Speaker 4>Database is enormous. It's like forty eight thousand cases or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, huge enormous data set that goes back

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<v Speaker 4>to the nineteen seventies, and the United States one purist

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<v Speaker 4>that goes back to the nineteen forties. So you have

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<v Speaker 4>an enormous amount of information in these data sets, and

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<v Speaker 4>what they include are not just Particularly the Global Terrorism

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<v Speaker 4>Database is very good on this one. It doesn't just

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<v Speaker 4>include injuries and casualties. It also includes attempted terrorist attacks

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<v Speaker 4>that didn't necessarily result in any injury or casualty, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it categorizes them when possible along with known domestic,

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<v Speaker 4>internet or international terrorist groups a group affiliation. And what

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<v Speaker 4>I was able to find in going through that is

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<v Speaker 4>that it seems that the left is because we commonly

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<v Speaker 4>hear that the right conducts far more acts of violence.

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<v Speaker 4>And first of all, in order to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>nail down what do you mean by the right is

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<v Speaker 4>more violent than the left, I decided to narrow that

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<v Speaker 4>down into acts of terror because I think those are

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<v Speaker 4>the most extreme. They're also far easier to classify as

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<v Speaker 4>an intentional political attack rather than things like street violence

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<v Speaker 4>or prison violence, which can have all sorts of motivations, interpersonal.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, with gangs, there's all kinds of drama and

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<v Speaker 4>things that are things that are involved in that. But

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<v Speaker 4>with terrorism, it's directed and it's usually political in some way.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I went through the when I went through

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<v Speaker 4>the Global Terrorism Database and accounted for all of the

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<v Speaker 4>attempted attacks that were not successful, groups that were broadly

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<v Speaker 4>speaking left wing, and I went through and not only

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<v Speaker 4>categorize them them myself based on you know, known affiliations,

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<v Speaker 4>like what do these groups represent? And they break down

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<v Speaker 4>into things like, particularly if you look at history, environmental groups,

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<v Speaker 4>wing groups versus the right wing ones. You know, your

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<v Speaker 4>classic KKK whatever you think about that, being aligned with

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats or not. You know, anti Islam is that one

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<v Speaker 4>can be a little bit iffy in some cases. But

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<v Speaker 4>broad speaking, so like whether underground classic left leaning terrorist

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<v Speaker 4>organization ku Klux Klan, whatever you think of them, is

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<v Speaker 4>categorized typically as a right wing organization, went through and

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<v Speaker 4>checked those. I also ran my personal checks of these

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<v Speaker 4>versus what other scholars had done. My alignment and my

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<v Speaker 4>categorizations lined up with theirs more or less identically, with

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of very slight variations. So I had both

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<v Speaker 4>gone through it myself and validated it with external sources.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I found is that people or left wing

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<v Speaker 4>groups were as likely to attempt acts of terror. Actually

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<v Speaker 4>they were slightly more so by about point five percent,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was nearly identical. The difference was that when

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<v Speaker 4>a left wing group or individual engaged in any sort

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<v Speaker 4>of terrorism, they were far less likely to kill or

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<v Speaker 4>injure anyone. I'm trying to find the exact statistic here

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<v Speaker 4>because I have it in my notes. The percentage of

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<v Speaker 4>right wing groups being completed attacks perpetrated in twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>and twenty nineteen in the US that resulted at least

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<v Speaker 4>one injury was sixty four point three percent. Well, fifty

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent of left wing completed attacks resulted in at

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<v Speaker 4>least one injury in that timeframe. A data further regarding

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<v Speaker 4>deaths illustrate this difference, as of completed right wing attacks

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<v Speaker 4>during this period, fifty percent resulted in at least one death, well,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty nine percent of completed left wing attacks resulted in

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<v Speaker 4>at least one death. In total, a right wing attack

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<v Speaker 4>is on average one point seven times one point seven

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<v Speaker 4>two times more likely to result in a death than

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<v Speaker 4>as a left wing attack, and a right wing attack

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<v Speaker 4>is one point nine times more likely to result in

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<v Speaker 4>an injury than is a left wing attack based on

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<v Speaker 4>trends in two thousand and two, So it seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be that the difference is not so much one of intent,

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<v Speaker 4>it's one of competence. The left, when it decides that

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<v Speaker 4>anyone on the left, either groups or individuals, decide they

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<v Speaker 4>want to engage in political terrorism, are far less efficacious

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<v Speaker 4>at carrying it out. If the goal of terrorism is

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<v Speaker 4>what the goal of terrorism is to terrorize people through death, injury,

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<v Speaker 4>and violence.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that there's several interesting factors here. I

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<v Speaker 3>think one of them. And I'm glad you brought up

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<v Speaker 3>the prison violence, right because oftentimes in discussions of these statistics,

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<v Speaker 3>and you see this a ton as well in the

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<v Speaker 3>discussion around school shootings, right, there's sort of a deliberate,

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<v Speaker 3>a calculated effort to sort of chum the waters, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so like, you know, some guy getting depressed and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, painting his brains over the roof of his

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<v Speaker 3>Honda Civic is okay, sure that is a time a

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<v Speaker 3>gun was shot on a school property. That's not what

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about. Somewhat similarly, you know, I don't pretend

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<v Speaker 3>to have any insight into how the Arian Brotherhood works,

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<v Speaker 3>but not really a political group per se. Any it's

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a different thing. Like if you go in

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<v Speaker 3>there and talk to those guys about like Francis Parker Yaki,

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<v Speaker 3>you probably won't get a warm response. Now, that said,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that you know, just upon first

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<v Speaker 3>hearing this from you, my reaction is, well, okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's when we consider the kind of like very serious

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<v Speaker 3>political terrorism. But what patterns do we see on the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of lower level violence, right, not necessarily street fights,

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<v Speaker 3>but for instance, I'm sure you saw the dramatic footage

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<v Speaker 3>of this conservative figure in Minnesota being you know, dragged

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<v Speaker 3>into a crowd and stabbed. How is something like that classified?

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<v Speaker 3>And also, and I realized this has past the scope

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<v Speaker 3>of what I was supposed to ask you, but you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm curious about it.

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<v Speaker 3>How does that bear out in the data for.

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<v Speaker 4>What I looked at in Global Terrorism database and in

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<v Speaker 4>piis that isn't usually included because street riots and violence

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<v Speaker 4>like that, you're talking about emotional social contagion. There's emotions

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<v Speaker 4>are running high and they become contagious amongst crowds. This

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, very old why you don't shout fire

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<v Speaker 4>in a crowded movie theater. It makes everyone freak out

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<v Speaker 4>and they share their emotions instantaneously. This is mirror neuron stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It evolved somewhere between twenty five and sixty five million

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<v Speaker 4>years ago. In primates, people have to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>communicate their emotions instantaneously via non rebel cues. So as

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<v Speaker 4>a result, it becomes very difficult even if one side

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<v Speaker 4>ends up committing more acts of violence against the other.

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of street violence, it's usually not planned. So

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<v Speaker 4>when I was specifically looking at the terrorism information, that

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<v Speaker 4>was to try and find a way to operationalize who

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<v Speaker 4>does violence and why is it that there is this

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<v Speaker 4>pervasive narrative that the right is overwhelmingly violent comparatively to

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<v Speaker 4>the left. And the reason why you're able to get

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<v Speaker 4>those kinds of findings from the data is again a

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<v Speaker 4>confidence issue, not a confidence issue. The left seems just

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<v Speaker 4>as confident in doing violence, and that's why they will

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<v Speaker 4>go out into the streets and stab somebody, particularly when

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<v Speaker 4>they're in these highly emotional, emotionally contagious environments. And funnily enough,

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<v Speaker 4>it links back to something that leftists themselves tend to

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<v Speaker 4>tout as their number one virtue, which is empathy. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>that behavior, the street violence, the crowd violence, is driven

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<v Speaker 4>by those mirror neuron responses that are evolutionary adapted, evolutionarily

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<v Speaker 4>adapted and allow them to translate these emotions amongst each other.

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<v Speaker 4>They do organize, but it doesn't have to be organized.

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<v Speaker 4>The violence can erupt simultaneous or spontaneously, and it becomes

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to then pull apart well who started what was

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<v Speaker 4>this ideologically driven or was this emotionally driven? And where

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<v Speaker 4>do you draw the line there? And I think it

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<v Speaker 4>is difficult to delineate the two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to get into that sort of empathy

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned before we went live. You were talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Goad Sad and his framing of suicidal empathy,

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<v Speaker 3>a term I actually did not know. He was irresponsible

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<v Speaker 3>for popularizing. I've heard it through him.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's about to publish a book on it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think like three weeks so he's been He's not

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<v Speaker 4>the only one. It's been popularized by plenty of people,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think Elon Musk has been on Joe Rogan

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about God Sad's suicidal empathy hypothesis and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>so I think he's become sort of the face of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, as far as I understand, this is effectively

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<v Speaker 3>a pithier way to explain in the heat map meat,

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<v Speaker 3>which you know, for those who aren't familiar and terminally online, it's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a way to categorize how people rank order

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<v Speaker 3>their attachments. People generally described as conservative place the most

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<v Speaker 3>weight on their immediate connections with kind of a slow

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<v Speaker 3>taper off, whereas liberals, and again this is stated instead

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<v Speaker 3>of revealed, but place a much higher level of pull

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<v Speaker 3>or sway on these sort of universal bonds towards humanity

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<v Speaker 4>So the Weights at All twenty fourteen analysis, the heat

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<v Speaker 4>The Weights at All analysis contains several studies and of

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<v Speaker 4>In one of the studies in the set, they gave

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<v Speaker 4>That's the study within the set that I think has

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<v Speaker 4>the most very similitude, because empathy, as energy as time

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<v Speaker 4>is inherently limited. If every single person, or if anyone

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<v Speaker 4>cared about every single thing in the whole universe all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, as leftist claimed to be able to do,

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<v Speaker 4>so overarmed with emotions all the time. Empathy emotions are

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<v Speaker 4>intrinsically discriminatory. You have to choose what to care about

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<v Speaker 4>So what I think the weights that all analysis actually reveals,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've made statements about this before, is that in

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<v Speaker 4>out in this very far concentric ring, I think it

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<v Speaker 4>is the centers around about twelve or ten out very distantly,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's all of humanity, all animals, all things in existence.

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<v Speaker 4>The fourteenth concentric ring is all things in an existence.

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<v Speaker 4>When you talk about how much empathy that you have,

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<v Speaker 4>because it is a limited resource, what this means in

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<v Speaker 4>practice is not so much I care about all things

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<v Speaker 4>in existence because you only have so much. That means

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<v Speaker 4>it has to be divided by all things in it existence. Functionally,

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<v Speaker 4>that means I don't care about anything except one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I care about how I am perceived by others. In

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<v Speaker 4>claiming to care about anything and everything, that is narcissism.

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<v Speaker 4>That's which, as it turns out, is the only one

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<v Speaker 4>of the dark triad traits tetrad traits that is not

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<v Speaker 4>negatively linked to any measure of empathy. Narcissists are actually

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<v Speaker 4>very good at wielding and using empathy. And by narcissists,

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<v Speaker 4>the overwhelming factor here that drives a leftist empathy is

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<v Speaker 4>actually narcissism. It's self enhancement, and it's making the self

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<v Speaker 4>look good. So when the leftist answered the weights at

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<v Speaker 4>all analysis there, they weren't thinking, no, I really care

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<v Speaker 4>about everything in an existence. They were thinking, I want

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<v Speaker 4>to look good to the researchers reading this page, reading

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<v Speaker 4>my response to this, or it is what he is

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a common issue in statistical sampling, right

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<v Speaker 3>that you oftentimes get the answers that people think you

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<v Speaker 4>Social Yes, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it even relates to this whole this sort of

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<v Speaker 3>aesthetics of protest culture right where you see this constantly,

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<v Speaker 3>and conservatives make fun of these images, you know, where

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<v Speaker 3>they'll see a protest and they'll see all of these

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<v Speaker 3>people with cameras, you know, crowded around some sort of image,

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<v Speaker 3>right like that. The famous one you see in social

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<v Speaker 3>media is a burning trash can. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one half of the image Macro will have this dramatic

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<v Speaker 3>a christ across the street shows a bunch of guys

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<v Speaker 3>with cameras standing in a largely empty city square with

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<v Speaker 3>a burning trash can. And they're right to make fun

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<v Speaker 3>of that because it is ridiculous. But on the same

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<v Speaker 3>to look at it another way, No, that's the power

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<v Speaker 3>of it, yes, right, Because what matters in this instance

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<v Speaker 3>isn't actually the mechanics of a protest, right, It isn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually how many people there. It is the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>the memetic impact of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That event becomes those images and if you can in

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<v Speaker 3>your insert yourself into those images. And we've seen this

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<v Speaker 3>in Minneapolis, right, these sort of failed attempts to create

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<v Speaker 3>an iconic moment. You know, you can think of the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the rather you know, rotund woman, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>standing out in imitation of that famous photo of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Chinese guy who has run over by tanks, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course that didn't happen, right, She wasn't actually ground

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<v Speaker 3>a pulp, and she did not become you know, one

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<v Speaker 3>of these iconic images like the students placing flowers into

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<v Speaker 3>the barrels of the rifle.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can see the attempt because again, the point

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<v Speaker 3>is not the protest. The point is to be a

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<v Speaker 3>person who is protesting and who is captured and who

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<v Speaker 3>is part of this sort of as you said earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>social contagion.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and the reason to do that is again because

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<v Speaker 4>this is something not everyone who engages an activism is

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<v Speaker 4>a narcissist. However, activism very much appeals to narcissists. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's significant research on this that it certainly seems that

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<v Speaker 4>the reason why let me see if I can find

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<v Speaker 4>this citation right here on this there's wits. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 4>they do tend to do that. People who engage in

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<v Speaker 4>political action are often driven out of a desire to

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<v Speaker 4>be recognized. They want to be photographed. It is about

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<v Speaker 4>gaining attention, it's about creating, yes, these powerful images. Also

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<v Speaker 4>because that spreads the emotional contagion that spreads the message.

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<v Speaker 4>When other people see something that is emotionally evocative, like

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<v Speaker 4>a sad film, well you might think, why would anyone

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<v Speaker 4>want to watch a sad film if it's spreading negative emotions?

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<v Speaker 4>Feeling negative emotions is inherently unpleasant. However, people report consistently

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<v Speaker 4>that when they watch a sad movie, they enjoy it

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<v Speaker 4>when they in fact, there's a specific study on this,

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<v Speaker 4>let me find it here in film where this is

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<v Speaker 4>Hanich and colleagues Hannich at All twenty fourteen that were

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<v Speaker 4>specifically scenes where someone was told about the death of

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<v Speaker 4>a friend or relative, and when people said that the

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<v Speaker 4>scene made them feel sad, they had greater express greater

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<v Speaker 4>intention to watch the movie again if they had seen

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<v Speaker 4>it before, or to watch it if they'd never seen it.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is a positive emotional experience, a vicarious emotional

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<v Speaker 4>experience that's gained by feeling sad negative emotions because it's

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<v Speaker 4>very powerful, So it is potent, a potent political tool

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<v Speaker 4>to evoke negative emotions in other people. It doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>actually make them feel bad because they're feeling these emotions

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<v Speaker 4>from a safe distance.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, and this is something that the ancients recognized, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like the whole concept of a tragedy. Yes, it was

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<v Speaker 3>seen as both. And look, this is a much better

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<v Speaker 3>version of the mechanic we're describing. But you have this

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<v Speaker 3>idea of Catharsis, right, this sort of letting out of emotion.

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<v Speaker 3>But also this was seen as a civic act, right,

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<v Speaker 3>something that would sort of unify people because it was

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<v Speaker 3>a common emotional experience. And there's a kind of quip

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<v Speaker 3>that runs around right where it's like liberals don't actually

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<v Speaker 3>know things, they've just seen a couple of TV shows

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<v Speaker 3>and they base their opinions on the world on well

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<v Speaker 3>those TV shows.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've got a specific fighting on that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well good, that was just a prejudice that I had,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm glad to know that there's science to back

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<v Speaker 3>it up. Really the only time I care about science.

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<v Speaker 3>But in all seriousness, right, that very much is an

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<v Speaker 3>aspect of you know, the cultural lefts power, Right, is

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of you know, cultural mean complexes where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these common emotional experiences and I think perhaps you see

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<v Speaker 3>this the best with the baby boomers because they lived

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<v Speaker 3>in a much more unified culture than either you or

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in. But you can almost tell when

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, Devin Stack of Black Pilt has talked

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<v Speaker 3>about this, and you know, I may disagree with him

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<v Speaker 3>on certain things, but he's completely right here where he

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<v Speaker 3>talks about the Boomer speech right where you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>in their head they're running through that moment from Field

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<v Speaker 3>of Dreams or that moment in Dead Poe Society. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like the TV has taken over them, has possessed them.

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<v Speaker 3>And in much the same way, right, these incredibly powerful,

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases negative experiences. You could argue, there's something

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<v Speaker 3>you know, similar around a prominent twentieth century as a

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<v Speaker 3>religious political disaster. Right, people speak around it for the

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<v Speaker 3>whichever Indian is running YouTube, but it becomes this incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>powerful political force, that kind of emotional outpour. But aiden

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<v Speaker 3>you said you had actual science to back that up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a twenty nineteen study from Haymiddal And what

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<v Speaker 4>they did is that if you've seen the memes where

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<v Speaker 4>it's very common to see particularly people on the left

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<v Speaker 4>do this, although I've seen I guess some people on

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<v Speaker 4>the right do it as well. It's not that the

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<v Speaker 4>people on the right don't tend to get attached to

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<v Speaker 4>fictional figures. Amelia is certainly an example of.

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<v Speaker 3>One literally me right, Ryan Goslin.

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<v Speaker 4>There's plenty of those as well, but you'll often see

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<v Speaker 4>what the left tends to do more specifically, is less

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<v Speaker 4>the literally me maybe, but it's more this character would

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and that's been found Hay Middle twenty nineteen. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 4>what they found is that one aspect of effective empathy

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<v Speaker 4>which is called peripheral rest Peripheral responsivity, those are emotional

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<v Speaker 4>reactives to immersive cues that you find in film and television,

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<v Speaker 4>was negatively related to all three dark triad traits, which

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<v Speaker 4>means that people who emotionally engage with fictional characters tend

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<v Speaker 4>to score lower in dark personality traits, But peripheral responsivity

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<v Speaker 4>had no relationship to any form of indirect relational aggression.

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<v Speaker 4>Indirect relational aggression are things like social exclusion, malicious humor,

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<v Speaker 4>and guilt tripping. So the people who post the spider

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<v Speaker 4>Man would vote the way I do are not necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>dark triad, but they are more likely to engage in

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<v Speaker 4>interpersonal aggression towards other people to force them via guilt tripping,

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<v Speaker 4>to force them via social exclusion and other tactics to

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<v Speaker 4>agree with them. It's social austracization and its aggression. All

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<v Speaker 4>that empathizing with fictional character stuff actually leads to exclusionary behaviors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's a really you know, interesting thing as well,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, you mentioned before, right, the difference between

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<v Speaker 3>being perceived as empathetic and another aspect of that as well,

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<v Speaker 3>is uh, the desire to on one hand purge others

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<v Speaker 3>and also avoid the purge, you know, the the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like social competition that this belief structure allows you

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<v Speaker 3>to engage in. Like, for instance, you've literally ever worked

426
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<v Speaker 3>in an academic setting, you see this all the time,

427
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<v Speaker 3>that there is this sort of jockeying behind the scenes

428
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<v Speaker 3>using kind of you know, progressive politics, right, because that

429
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<v Speaker 3>is a secondary you know, I guess you'd say, method

430
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<v Speaker 3>of advancement, and when that becomes the kind of one

431
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<v Speaker 3>of the primary methods for sorting yourself, and that becomes

432
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<v Speaker 3>sort of like a known exploit, even aside from the

433
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<v Speaker 3>other things you're talking about, where these behaviors in particular

434
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<v Speaker 3>are associated with certain aspects or certain left wing political views.

435
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<v Speaker 3>So when you were now adding an additional layer of

436
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<v Speaker 3>selection on top, right, adding a sort of like ruthless game, yes,

437
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<v Speaker 3>side by side to select for these sort of dark

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<v Speaker 3>tech trad personality traits.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a survival pressure, is exactly what it is. If

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<v Speaker 4>you are going to survive in predominantly left wing space,

441
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<v Speaker 4>you need to be performative that's why they're going out

442
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<v Speaker 4>into the streets right now in Minnesota and going and

443
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<v Speaker 4>you know, tracking down random people on the street and saying, okay, shout,

444
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<v Speaker 4>you know, f ice, f ice, you have to engage

445
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<v Speaker 4>in the performance or else you haven't painted the blood

446
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<v Speaker 4>over the top of your door to let us know

447
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<v Speaker 4>that we can pass over you. It's required within their

448
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<v Speaker 4>collective mindset that if you don't engage in this performative empathy,

449
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<v Speaker 4>tactical empathy, whatever you want to call it, therefore you

450
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<v Speaker 4>are unempathetic, and more specifically, you are unhuman. The dehumanization

451
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<v Speaker 4>factor that occurs with this, I mean, I think it's why,

452
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<v Speaker 4>like many things, obviously the overuse of terms like nazi, fascist,

453
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<v Speaker 4>those are all intended to dehumanize. And the reason for

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<v Speaker 4>that is, as I mentioned, it's because empathy need be selective,

455
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<v Speaker 4>because you can't care for all the people all the time.

456
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<v Speaker 4>So in order to divest themselves of caring for people,

457
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<v Speaker 4>they have to give them labels like nazi or fascist.

458
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<v Speaker 4>That makes them unhuman. And that's been linked by the

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<v Speaker 4>way to grandiose and to vulnerable narcissism. That specific type

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<v Speaker 4>of dehumanization in political ideology specifically.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm curious to get your thoughts, Aiden, because obviously

462
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<v Speaker 3>the discussion around the Charlie kirkshooter is incredibly fraught. People

463
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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of different opinions. I'll lead at that,

464
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<v Speaker 3>and I just know by mentioning this, I will get

465
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<v Speaker 3>one comment from one guy I know who you are,

466
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<v Speaker 3>who will tell me Charlie Kirk wasn't shot. But in

467
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<v Speaker 3>all seriousness, right, when you look at in figures like

468
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<v Speaker 3>you know Tiler Kyler Robbins, Yeah, the the Kirk shooter,

469
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<v Speaker 3>or you know these other kind of you know, lone

470
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<v Speaker 3>wolf attackers, the guy who shot three quadmalins trying to

471
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<v Speaker 3>hit Ice agents. Again going back to your thesis of confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>But to me, and this has been remarked upon, even

473
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<v Speaker 3>going back to oh who is the assassin?

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<v Speaker 6>That was?

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<v Speaker 3>His execution was summarized in Foucaut's Crime and Punish shoot.

476
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<v Speaker 3>He was an attempted regal assassin. But you see this

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<v Speaker 3>same on one hand, uh, you know, delusions of grandeur

478
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<v Speaker 3>but also narcissist, right, the idea that I will make

479
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<v Speaker 3>my mark on history through this one defining act. Yes,

480
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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm curious when you you have this kind

481
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<v Speaker 3>of you know, all of these variables coming together. It

482
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<v Speaker 3>seems that it's almost a miracle that we've only had,

483
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<v Speaker 3>you know, one successful and another attempted assassination in the

484
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<v Speaker 3>last couple of years, because it seems as if this

485
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<v Speaker 3>is sort of a perfect storm for you know, narcissists

486
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<v Speaker 3>to lash out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that's at the end of twenty twenty five,

488
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<v Speaker 4>or near the end, I think it was. In August,

489
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<v Speaker 4>Centers for the State for Strategic and International Studies conducted

490
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<v Speaker 4>a survey on the number of right versus left wing

491
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<v Speaker 4>terrorist attacks or plots that had occurred since nineteen ninety

492
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<v Speaker 4>and what they found is that last year, September twenty

493
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<v Speaker 4>twenty five is when it was conducted, I think, or

494
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<v Speaker 4>at least published, was that, and that was before the

495
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 4>shooting of Charlie Kirk. Was that even at that time

496
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<v Speaker 4>it was the first year ever since the nineties that

497
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<v Speaker 4>labeled left wing violence had surpassed right wing violence. And

498
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<v Speaker 4>that year was according to from terrorist affiliated groups, it

499
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<v Speaker 4>was zero from the right to five on the left.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the left is so activated now. These

501
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<v Speaker 4>are things that have always existed, and particularly this pathological

502
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<v Speaker 4>in some cases but oftentimes not pathological just trait like

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<v Speaker 4>narcissism that is raised up by the left because whoever

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<v Speaker 4>can be the biggest performative activist in some way or

505
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<v Speaker 4>another is given the most attention. It gains so much

506
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<v Speaker 4>social capital, so much social credit for them to behave

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<v Speaker 4>this way, particularly in the age of social media where

508
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<v Speaker 4>everything is put online, that it causes people who may

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<v Speaker 4>have some narcissistic tendencies to actively go out and engage

510
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<v Speaker 4>in violence and dangerous activity, people like Rene Good that

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<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't do in any other circumstance because they're just

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<v Speaker 4>focused on the social capital and they see examples of

513
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<v Speaker 4>how much social capital can be gained. Who's the guy

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<v Speaker 4>that a lot of like the Hassan Piker crowd, are

515
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<v Speaker 4>obsessed with who shot the not call written how although

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<v Speaker 4>they certainly hate him? Short the healthcare ceo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Luigi Mangoni, Mangioni.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. Yes, these peop will become folk heroes even

519
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<v Speaker 4>though they're in prison or dead. It doesn't matter. And

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of times when it seems paradoxical, why would

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<v Speaker 4>a narcissist or someone with narcissistic traits put themselves in danger?

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<v Speaker 4>The one the thing they value the most in danger.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because the gain that they perceive of from that

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<v Speaker 4>they will get from doing these behaviors enter that's what

525
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<v Speaker 4>calculates first, rather than the possibility, because a narcissist or

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<v Speaker 4>someone with narcissisic traits doesn't consider the alternative that they

527
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<v Speaker 4>could be hurt, that they could die, because they're great,

528
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<v Speaker 4>They're so perfect. There is such an awesome person. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no way anything bad could happen to me. So they

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<v Speaker 4>don't calculate for that. They just and even if it's

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<v Speaker 4>calculated sort of in the back of their heads, it's like, well,

532
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<v Speaker 4>if I'm martyred, I'll be even more celebrated, I'll gain

533
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<v Speaker 4>even more social capital. Doesn't you can't use it if

534
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<v Speaker 4>you're dead. But that part doesn't compute. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And that's another way to explain you know, the

536
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<v Speaker 3>main character syndrome, right, and you see this viewing, you

537
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<v Speaker 3>know footage of many of these activists that they genuinely believe,

538
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<v Speaker 3>as the meme goes, that they're in a Marvel movie, yes, right,

539
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<v Speaker 3>that they are at this kind of orchestrated you know

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<v Speaker 3>event where they will you do something grand and be

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<v Speaker 3>recognized for it I wanted to create correct my citation.

542
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<v Speaker 3>It was discipline and punished, and the execution was of

543
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<v Speaker 3>Robert Francois Domienne, who attempted to assassinate King Lewis king

544
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<v Speaker 3>Lee the heat very gruesome execution. Interesting book. Not the

545
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<v Speaker 3>biggest fan of Fucou, but there's a lot there. Conversation

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<v Speaker 3>for another day. I just wanted to correct that point.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I think that that that aspect of sort of

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<v Speaker 3>internally minimizing the consequences is is kind of interesting, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when you combine this with and you see this in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Robinson Crooks, you know many of these kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, mass shooters right even before them, who

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<v Speaker 3>have this kind of you know, incredible I guess you

553
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<v Speaker 3>could say incredible uh you know nihilism about them. It's

554
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<v Speaker 3>the idea that you know, effectively nothing matters. And let's

555
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<v Speaker 3>be honest, you know, nihilism and narcissism are linked.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something that people have been writing about for quite

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<v Speaker 3>some time. But I think it's sort of an interesting

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<v Speaker 3>thing as well because and if you've gone into the

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<v Speaker 3>there's this whole interesting uh you know circle. People call

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<v Speaker 3>it like shooter core, right, which is these online communities

562
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<v Speaker 3>that are sort of obsessed with school shooters, obsessed with

563
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<v Speaker 3>political violence. A lot of it is teenage edge lord stuff,

564
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<v Speaker 3>but they do keep producing these killers, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure if you remember the black Graper who shot up

566
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<v Speaker 3>a school. Oh yeah, you're odd guy. But these sort

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<v Speaker 3>of unfortunate individuals tend to sort into these communities. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>right there is this repeat and you can see it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a woman on substack b X I think b

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<v Speaker 3>X rights. She does some interesting work on it, talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this sort of one vast minimization of consequences, where

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<v Speaker 3>the idea is, you know you will die in a

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<v Speaker 3>hail of glory, you know you will be able to

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<v Speaker 3>get your message out there. This will become like Ted Kazenski,

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of underground tome. You know that that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, produces some sort of cultural response and

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<v Speaker 3>you will have you know, left your mark. Right then

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of narcissism part. And it's always interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>me to see the cases where you can find all

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<v Speaker 3>of those, all of those I guess you could say elements,

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<v Speaker 3>but not necessarily the conclusion, because this comes back to

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<v Speaker 3>our discussion of politicized violence. So the origin of the

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<v Speaker 3>chud Jack I believe was the Dallas Fort orthshooter went

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<v Speaker 3>to a grocery store, you know, killed a number of

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<v Speaker 3>people for being Hispanic. And what's interesting about that is that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he was reported as this kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>four Chan neo Nazi, but if you've read his manifesto,

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<v Speaker 3>it's completely insane, right, there's no political through lines whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>It is simply a sort of way to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>strike out, a way to you know, to basically answer

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<v Speaker 3>that combination of narcissism and nihilism. And I'm curious how

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<v Speaker 3>many of these people who were being drawn to the

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<v Speaker 3>left for the sake of political violence are there for

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<v Speaker 3>that reason instead of any you know, left wing politics

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<v Speaker 3>in particular. Aid. Sorry, that was a massive rant for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll throw him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>There's two things that are related to that. One is

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<v Speaker 4>a study from Adam Schink adm ad A. Mczyk at

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<v Speaker 4>all from twenty twenty five, and they found that the

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<v Speaker 4>extreme ideologies of either side were related to For the right,

602
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<v Speaker 4>it was just grandiose narcissism. For the left it was

603
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<v Speaker 4>both vulnerable and grandiose narcissism. And again that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>it's coherent and these are specifically what they classify as

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<v Speaker 4>extreme ideologies. So for people who were to the far

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<v Speaker 4>of either side those types of extreme you know, political

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<v Speaker 4>opinions are driven oftentimes by mental illness or at least

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<v Speaker 4>mental instability when you start talking about people who are

609
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<v Speaker 4>way way out there, so you will get that on

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<v Speaker 4>both sides. But Crispin and Bertram's twenty twenty five also

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<v Speaker 4>in their study they called this the dark ego vehicle,

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<v Speaker 4>which is specifically that individuals with pronounced dark personalities may

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<v Speaker 4>repurpose political and pro social activist This is a quote,

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<v Speaker 4>as a vehicle to satisfy their ego focused needs rather

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<v Speaker 4>than for the pursuit of pro social goals and social justice,

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<v Speaker 4>since participation in such activism may gave us give those

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<v Speaker 4>individuals not only opportunities to gain social status and engage

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<v Speaker 4>in social conflicts, but also to display moral superiority and

619
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<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, most importantly, dominate others. So you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about people already who are emotionally or psychologically unstable, who

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<v Speaker 4>are going to go the furthest with this, the little

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<v Speaker 4>street level violence. Renee Good trying to hit a vice

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<v Speaker 4>officer with her car or whatever she was trying to

624
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<v Speaker 4>do there exactly Who's probably not? Just like abject pathological narcissism.

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<v Speaker 4>What drives a lot of these people to extreme acts,

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<v Speaker 4>as you say, it's that they'll be memoralized forever. That

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<v Speaker 4>is the ultimate goal of a narcissist or someone with

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<v Speaker 4>extreme narcissistics traits. It's more important to be memorialized to

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<v Speaker 4>be deified. And particularly I think when you combine that

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<v Speaker 4>with atheism or at least a lack of belief in

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<v Speaker 4>an afterlife. Why you've only got one shot, don't you.

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<v Speaker 4>You have one lifetime, You have one time, this one

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<v Speaker 4>life to leave your mark on the world. Might as

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<v Speaker 4>well go out in a blaze of glory. The guy

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<v Speaker 4>who set himself on fire.

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<v Speaker 3>What was his name, Aaron Bush?

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron Bush? Now? Yes, because I was looking at that too.

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<v Speaker 4>Why did that guy do that? Ultimately, that's narcissism. It

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<v Speaker 4>seems insane to do something so devastating to the solve,

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the core of that is a narcissistic tendency.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that I want to get into.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned two distinct types of narcissism. There, grandiose and

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<v Speaker 3>then another category which I wasn't familiar with. Could you

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<v Speaker 3>explain the distinction between those.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, grandiose narcissism. Let me find my first citation on this,

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<v Speaker 4>just so I can read it specifically, so I'm quite

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<v Speaker 4>clear on it. Where is it? Okay, let's see grandiose narcissism. No,

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<v Speaker 4>do I have this in the wrong order?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because of how I've organized my stuff. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 4>Grandiose narcissism is essentially it's like, it's what we classically

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<v Speaker 4>think of with narcissism. I'm the best ever, I'm so important,

655
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<v Speaker 4>I'm the most amazing person in the world, whereas vulnerable

656
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<v Speaker 4>narcissism is a little bit different. That tends to be

657
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<v Speaker 4>people with actually very unstable egos, and the vulnerable narcissism

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<v Speaker 4>where's my It's hyper sensitivity to criticism, fragile self esteem,

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<v Speaker 4>and insecurity often masked by victimhood. So it's unsurprising that

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<v Speaker 4>you find vulnerable narcissism being a little bit more common

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<v Speaker 4>in leftist with extreme ide ideology, and although they also

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<v Speaker 4>have grandiose narcissism, again inflated self importance that is more

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<v Speaker 4>commonly linked with extreme right wing ideological positions. However, again

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<v Speaker 4>when you talk about the fringes of politics and people

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<v Speaker 4>who will go out and do violent, crazy things, even

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<v Speaker 4>though it is self harmful, self terminating, even it's this

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<v Speaker 4>dark ego vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that one other aspect of this that

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<v Speaker 3>it seems as if many people are unprepared for, and

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<v Speaker 3>I particularly mean older generations, is because of effectively the internet,

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<v Speaker 3>right rapid communication. This is no longer something that is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of highly geographically correlated. Like, sure, there's still more

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<v Speaker 3>riots in Portland. You're much more likely to be involved

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<v Speaker 3>in physical violence there for political reasons than anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>But have you fought at all, Not that you should have,

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<v Speaker 3>but the kind of flick armed trans groups like the

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<v Speaker 3>two A for all crowd. Have you paid attention to

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<v Speaker 3>that at all?

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<v Speaker 4>I've noticed some of it, that's of course been growing

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<v Speaker 4>in frequency. That's come up a lot now again in

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<v Speaker 4>Minnesota with all the people out there with guns and

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<v Speaker 4>oh wait, I thought you were pro to a what's

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<v Speaker 4>your problem with these guys being out here armed?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, like what you hypocrite? Why do you do you

686
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<v Speaker 3>object to this? You know, mentally unwell manned address heavily armed?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I was rude anyway, in.

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<v Speaker 4>Just accurate statistically speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>But my point being is that because of algorithms, because

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<v Speaker 3>of particularly chat services like Discord, but the same thing

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<v Speaker 3>happens on Telegram and others, this is no longer geographically correlated,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is quite interesting. So you have this phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I see this in a relatively conservative

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<v Speaker 3>area of the country where you sort of have these

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<v Speaker 3>almost like sleeper cells, right, who have formed a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a nondirect digital community where these sort of ideas

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<v Speaker 3>are kind of amplified within one echo chamber. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that's a very interesting dynamic because before it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh well, you know, I can reliably be

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<v Speaker 3>assured that a teenager in Biloxi, Mississippi will be different

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<v Speaker 3>from one in Brooklyn, New York. And you know, while

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<v Speaker 3>that still may be sure on like a demographic level,

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<v Speaker 3>the political extremism I think is a very different beast

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<v Speaker 3>from the pre digital era.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah. So for example, there's a study I covered

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<v Speaker 4>this in the video I did on the Violent Stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a Bacca, Cerivianus and Blackburn from twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were looking at tanky subreddits, which is like

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<v Speaker 4>the perfect example of this stuff of what you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about there, I think, where it's a group of people

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<v Speaker 4>who have some shared political ideology, are perhaps quite similar

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<v Speaker 4>political ideology, and what they sit around doing is compared

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<v Speaker 4>to the rest of Reddit, which is already you know,

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<v Speaker 4>leftist in nature, the tanky subreddits were a hundred times

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<v Speaker 4>more likely to make threats, fifty times more likely to

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<v Speaker 4>attack the identity of others, twenty one point two times

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<v Speaker 4>more likely to insult others, and five point three times

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<v Speaker 4>more likely to use profanity than the rest of Reddit.

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<v Speaker 4>They end up getting involved in these like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>highly ideologically extreme circles talking about things. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>the things that they talked about the most on these

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<v Speaker 4>English speaking subreddits was it wasn't things like that were

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<v Speaker 4>mostly related to US politics. A lot of it was

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<v Speaker 4>what were the things they were so Nikolaiechchescu, they hate him,

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<v Speaker 4>They talk about him all the time, for example, all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of anger about that Israel Palestine, the weaker. Actually

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<v Speaker 4>they don't call it the weaker genocide. They call that

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<v Speaker 4>weaker re education camps or I should re education centers

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<v Speaker 4>or just re education or not even re education. What's

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<v Speaker 4>the word they used for it. Oh sorry, boarding schools,

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<v Speaker 4>that was the term weird boarding schools. They use different

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<v Speaker 4>language in order to reframe things, and they tend to

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<v Speaker 4>focus very much on things that are happening on the

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<v Speaker 4>other side of the planet. They don't talk a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about things that are happening nearby them, which it can

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<v Speaker 4>only be facilitated by the Internet and access to these

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<v Speaker 4>things that happen worldwide all the time, which actually kind

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<v Speaker 4>of goes back to the weights heat maps. Their focus

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<v Speaker 4>is out in these distant, concentric rings, very far away

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<v Speaker 4>from themselves. It's also why they tend to focus so

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<v Speaker 4>much on let's say, immigrant communities. Why are they out

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<v Speaker 4>here putting their lives on the line for people that

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<v Speaker 4>they don't really have anything in common with. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>because of identity fusion, which has also been found to

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<v Speaker 4>be let me see fusion significant among people who lean left.

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<v Speaker 4>That's see Counstead All twenty eighteen had a sample of

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<v Speaker 4>white American university students who reported feeling strongly fused with

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinians and Kurds, and when they who also identified as

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<v Speaker 4>left wing activists, and when they strongly identified with Palestinians

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<v Speaker 4>and Kurds and not with domestic leftist issues and domestic

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<v Speaker 4>leftist groups. They said they were more likely to go

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<v Speaker 4>out and fight and die and kill on behalf of

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinians and Kurds than they would for to fight and

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<v Speaker 4>die for domestic issues. The hypothesis why is well. The

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<v Speaker 4>hypothesis as to why is confusing. I think it's because

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<v Speaker 4>when you don't have personal experience with these groups, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have any necessarily negative information about them. You can

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<v Speaker 4>make up in your head and fantasize about them being

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<v Speaker 4>just perfect victims, in the same way that you'll find

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of times when some and like Rene good

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<v Speaker 4>is It dies in one of these confrontations, they don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to look at any kind of negative information about

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<v Speaker 4>that person. Knowing as little as possible about someone allows

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<v Speaker 4>you to construct a version of that person or people

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<v Speaker 4>in your head that is very positive. Familiarity breeds contempt,

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<v Speaker 4>so they fuse themselves without groups they have no personal

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<v Speaker 4>relationship or ties to, and then they because they have

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<v Speaker 4>no personal relationship or ties, they can make them into

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<v Speaker 4>psychologically like these perfect moral beings comparatively to people that want.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh exactly. I think that that's a huge, a huge

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<v Speaker 3>part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You see the same thing with like nature, right that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, nature is this sort of like deistic force

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<v Speaker 3>for many environmentalists that is completely disconnected from people who

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<v Speaker 3>actually go outside. Now obviously, you know, they're many environmentalists

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<v Speaker 3>that I think do good work. But I had a

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<v Speaker 3>very interesting interaction actually with my neighbor I write for

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<v Speaker 3>a conservation magazine or I have who knows if it'll

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<v Speaker 3>come out or not, with my buddy Braxton. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being a white guy from southwest Virginia, I've worked on

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<v Speaker 3>farms before, I've gone outside before, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy hunting and fishing, and so I have a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty realistic view of nature, right, like even the

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<v Speaker 3>US East Coast, which is not that dangerous one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent it is. And you compare that to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my neighbor, who's a very nice lady but a stereotypical hippie,

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<v Speaker 3>got into a conversation about conservation and realized very quickly

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<v Speaker 3>we have radically different understandings of what nature means, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Because again, this is someone who grew up in an

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<v Speaker 3>urban area and for them, nature is the park, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It is a bald Garden literally instead of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this thing that has positive and negative aspects.

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<v Speaker 4>To still geographic documentary one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent is Ken Burns or David Attenborough. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's definitely a part of it. I'm honestly

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<v Speaker 3>astounded that chaw Jescu features so much in their kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hatred. I do get coaching on it, right, like

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<v Speaker 3>that would make sense to me. Yeah, bizarre people, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>It was one of the most slightest, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>most discussed topics across the five tanky subreddits that they sampled.

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<v Speaker 6>There.

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<v Speaker 4>We were just obsessed with them for some reason, or

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<v Speaker 4>maybe at that point in time when they conducted that,

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<v Speaker 4>it may have just been that at that moment they

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<v Speaker 4>were particularly obsessed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's romanium month they I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but very distant things from because again, yeah, if

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<v Speaker 4>it's close to you, you might have a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more personal information. You can't create an idealized version of

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<v Speaker 4>it if you have too much knowledge of it. So

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<v Speaker 4>immigrants are a great h if you're a citizen, or

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<v Speaker 4>a great sort of source of place to place all

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<v Speaker 4>of this and the quote unquote because you don't really

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<v Speaker 4>know them. If you're not an immigrant, you can just

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<v Speaker 4>make up in your head, well, all immigrants must be

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<v Speaker 4>x y sad. They're all just struggling for a better life.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just you know, they're here with the best intentions.

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<v Speaker 4>They would never do any crimes or anything, because they're

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<v Speaker 4>just honest, hard working people. That's really easy to do,

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<v Speaker 4>in particular, if you're a awful for example, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>affluent white liberal female, right, you don't actually interact with

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<v Speaker 4>these people on a daily basis almost at all, if

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<v Speaker 4>at all. They exist out in the periphery, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>very easy to assign positive traits to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, honestly, you see sort of the and I was

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<v Speaker 3>speaking with my wife about this because of the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of inverse relationship that upper class progressives have to poor

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<v Speaker 3>urban blacks and yeah, let's be honest, not even poor,

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<v Speaker 3>just lower old class and down whites. Yes, right, where

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<v Speaker 3>you know one of these groups you can probably guess

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<v Speaker 3>which has this sort of halo effect around right there,

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<v Speaker 3>they're seen as inherently virtuous. They're scene as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>inherently oppressed, whereas you know, their uncle Randy right, who

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<v Speaker 3>owns a dishwasher repair business, is inherently suspect. We don't like.

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<v Speaker 3>We think he's gross, we think he's low class. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting. And I'm sure you remember this during the

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of Bush era right where there is this

841
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<v Speaker 3>sort of like oh, kind of open season on rednecks, right, yes,

842
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 3>and this sort of like competitive virtue signaling about how

843
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<v Speaker 3>awful and racist your family or your X y Z

844
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<v Speaker 3>distant relation was. Again because it was it was distant.

845
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<v Speaker 3>It was sort of, you know, a way to you know,

846
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847
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848
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 3>what you see in you know, diverse urban communities.

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<v Speaker 3>Where it's like those are sort of overly romanticized. And again,

862
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<v Speaker 3>as someone who has grown up in the South and

863
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 3>has familiarity with both of those groups, neither reading is true. Like, now,

864
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 3>let's be honest, like, there are very real problems with

865
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 3>white trash, and I don't particularly enjoy dealing with like,

866
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, shitty methoads in the parking lot of a Walmart. No, also,

867
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, agrats, Like, neither one of these things are

868
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 3>the kind of you know, the meticize that's not a word,

869
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 3>the sort of like romanticized version of it. But it

870
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 3>is interesting how there's both a positive and a negative

871
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 3>aspect to that kind of social distance. But sorry, I'll

872
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 3>kick it back to you.

873
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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, sorry, had a weird connection issue there for

874
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 4>a second. It's back. It's good now. Yeah, very similar

875
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.280
<v Speaker 4>growing up. I grew up until I was eleven in

876
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 4>rural West Virginia and then moved to Baltimore City, so

877
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 4>I've seen both sides of that. I've seen the white

878
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 4>you know, I grew up around the white trash meth

879
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 4>heads so cold, and then I grew up around the ghetto.

880
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's Baltimore. It's about as bad as it gets,

881
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:53.280
<v Speaker 4>murder capital of the US. So but again for the

882
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 4>people who are the affluent white liberal females or female liberals,

883
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 4>the awfuls and people in that same sort of category,

884
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 4>they go to Christmas and Thanksgiving dinner with Uncle Randy,

885
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 4>with racist Uncle Randy, so they've got a little flash

886
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 4>point of interaction with him that they can model who

887
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 4>Uncle Randy and other people like him are off of.

888
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.760
<v Speaker 4>And in fact, I just did a video on Christmas

889
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 4>for the Christmas season and the political divides that that causes,

890
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 4>and that in particular is it seems like in the

891
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 4>data where they follow people's cell phones so they could

892
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 4>see how long they actually spent it at different locations

893
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:34.079
<v Speaker 4>for Thanksgiving dinner and then pull them about it as well.

894
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.400
<v Speaker 4>And it turned out that the leftists ended up staying

895
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 4>at those dinners for longer, but they reported it. They

896
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 4>were more not they to report it as being a negative,

897
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 4>hostile experience. So the conservatives wanted to leave, they wanted

898
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 4>to disengage, They didn't want to be involved in the

899
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 4>hostility and the arguments. The liberals wanted to stay and fight.

900
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 4>So it seems oftentimes too, is that they have to

901
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.239
<v Speaker 4>maybe even do this virtue signaling, this performative stuff in

902
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 4>front of racist uncle Randy. They want to be confrontational

903
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 4>because again, even if there's no audience, particularly in the

904
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.440
<v Speaker 4>age of social media, then they can go home and

905
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 4>type on social media and write an article about how

906
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 4>they defeated racist uncle Randy and then turn that performance

907
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.920
<v Speaker 4>that they've done at the dinner table into a broader

908
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:24.079
<v Speaker 4>performance for the public. But at least they can model

909
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 4>him because they kind of know him. They probably don't

910
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 4>have almost any interaction with inner city blacks in Baltimore City,

911
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 4>for example.

912
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and I mean again, right, that is very

913
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 3>much we see a gap between actual empathy and a

914
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 3>desire to be perceived as empathetic. I realize this is

915
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 3>not at all scientific claim, but it's generally poor formed

916
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.679
<v Speaker 3>to harass your family members at Thanksgiving. Yeah, that's not done.

917
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 3>But again, right, there is that kind of secondary social

918
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.119
<v Speaker 3>market of being able to market on social media and

919
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.800
<v Speaker 3>put yourself out as the kind of person who not

920
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:08.360
<v Speaker 3>only has far left politics but is speaking truth to power, right,

921
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and if that power is a seventy year old, aging

922
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Vietnam veteran, indeterminate right. But again that's that element of

923
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 3>social signal.

924
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, and it probably is to signal to the

925
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 4>family members as well, to separate yourself to a certain extent.

926
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 4>Because one of the weird things about some of the

927
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 4>polling on that one in particular is that when they've

928
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 4>been surveyed on it, people on the left and right

929
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 4>both agree that going to things like family gatherings and

930
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 4>dinners are important and that it's good for emotional health.

931
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.920
<v Speaker 4>But then when they actually go and do it, it

932
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.119
<v Speaker 4>turns out it's used tactically for this performance of activism.

933
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.360
<v Speaker 4>And whether that again, I don't think social media helps it.

934
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 4>There was a Victorio on Twitter A couple we have

935
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 4>been talking about this recently about how social media has

936
00:54:56.039 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 4>and the divide between women and men in political belief

937
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 4>has exploded since cell phones and social media became readily available,

938
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 4>or smartphones in particular. It didn't happen in two thousand,

939
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 4>It happened in like twenty ten or didn't happen in

940
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety. It happened in two thousand and five, right

941
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 4>after social media and smartphones started to become ubiquitous. Because

942
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:29.639
<v Speaker 4>now there's a perpetual audience, the performative nature of your empathy,

943
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:33.039
<v Speaker 4>the performative nature of your activism is always in your pocket.

944
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Before you could only do it at a street protest

945
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 4>or something, but now you can do it constantly, So

946
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 4>it reinforces the narcissistic behaviors and rewards them.

947
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that you know much. It's helpful

948
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 3>to view this through the kind of lens of selection

949
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 3>that when you ascribe, whether deliberately or not, social status

950
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 3>to certain behaviors, certain activities, you create a selection bias. Right,

951
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 3>you were filtering for certain people over others. Obviously vastly

952
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 3>different discussion, but we've seen this in hiring data. Right,

953
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 3>people of certain skin tones are not being hired. That

954
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 3>produces a massive downstream result. My home state of Virginia

955
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:24.880
<v Speaker 3>has just decided that they will overpay non contractors. Yeah,

956
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 3>who knows, I may end up as a West Virginia

957
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 3>refugee sooner or later. But in all seriousness, right, again,

958
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 3>you're creating a selection pressure, and somewhat similarly, when you

959
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 3>know there is effectively rewards to be given for this

960
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 3>sort of anti social behavior, you're going to see more

961
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.599
<v Speaker 3>of it now. One of the interesting things that I

962
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:49.119
<v Speaker 3>am constantly wondering about is when we get from the

963
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 3>level of social selection to genetic selection, right, you know,

964
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 3>just kind of going through the biological bottleneck. It seems

965
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 3>that these would be negatively associated with production. That the

966
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of mentally unwell people doing this, you know, narcissist

967
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:07.559
<v Speaker 3>peace but think so interested in their image, do not reproduce.

968
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Is that true? Am I completely wrong? And does it

969
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:12.519
<v Speaker 3>even matter?

970
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>You would think so? However, tactical empathy, performative empathy is

971
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 4>actually selected for evolutionarily. This has been observed. It's interesting

972
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.000
<v Speaker 4>you brought this up because I actually have the evolutionary

973
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 4>rationale here. So specifically in chimps. This is a nineteen

974
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 4>ninety two paper from Burn and Witten W. H. I. T. E. N.

975
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:41.039
<v Speaker 4>They found that chimps, what they'll do is male chimps

976
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.800
<v Speaker 4>in particular, when there's high status males powerful males around

977
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.440
<v Speaker 4>the lower status males will pretend to be innocent. They'll

978
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 4>pretend to just be interacting in a subservient or submissive

979
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 4>way comparatively to the male. But they will get erections

980
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.599
<v Speaker 4>and hide their erections with their hands so that it

981
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.679
<v Speaker 4>is visible to the fertile females and invisible or obfuscated

982
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 4>from the male. If chimps are able to do that,

983
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 4>then we have a pretty good rationale that this evolved

984
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.559
<v Speaker 4>a long time ago as a strategy to make yourself

985
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 4>look good to do facework, as Irving Goffman would call it,

986
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 4>towards a selective party. So yeah, it actually seems that

987
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 4>there is now empathy. Genuine empathy obviously has evolutionary pressures

988
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:35.639
<v Speaker 4>behind it, because it's a way to be able to

989
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 4>signal to other members of your group something is wrong,

990
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:41.280
<v Speaker 4>there is danger. Being able to read faces, being able

991
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 4>to take perspectives allows you to feel with other members

992
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.719
<v Speaker 4>of your tribe. So if a member of your tribe

993
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:52.039
<v Speaker 4>is killed, you feel with their family and will want

994
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.679
<v Speaker 4>to protect them, and this is advantageous to the survival

995
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 4>of the group, just as it is advantageous to be

996
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 4>able to read emotions to detect if another member of

997
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.480
<v Speaker 4>the tribe is afraid. But then we also see, well,

998
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 4>this empathy evolves for that reason, you also get the

999
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 4>tactical layer. In order for the chimps to be able

1000
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 4>to why why would a chimp do that? The only

1001
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.079
<v Speaker 4>reason to hide the erection. It has to be able

1002
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 4>to simulate the minds of other chimps to know what

1003
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 4>they can see and what they can't see, to know

1004
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 4>that the males, the dominant males, can't see the erection

1005
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 4>because it's been hidden with their hand, but that the

1006
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.519
<v Speaker 4>females can see it. So this very basic perspective, taking

1007
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:38.679
<v Speaker 4>that it's at the core of empathetic response evolutionarily is

1008
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 4>also selected for to be tactical in certain circumstances.

1009
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's that's particularly interesting. And you know,

1010
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:54.719
<v Speaker 3>not to pull this down into you know, so called

1011
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 3>dating discourse, which is really like the lowest common denominator

1012
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Speaker 3>on the Internet. I tried to avoid if at all possible,

1013
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 3>But you do see this, right that, like the the

1014
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:09.400
<v Speaker 3>meme of uh, you know, the the male feminist as

1015
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:13.440
<v Speaker 3>a predatory. Yeah, that is tactically assumed to sort of

1016
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 3>gain access to certain spaces US. Some would say, I

1017
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.119
<v Speaker 3>mean like that that bears out right anecdotally. You and

1018
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 3>I both probably know half a dozen examples so, yeah,

1019
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's that's a very interesting thing that you

1020
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.440
<v Speaker 3>bring up there, And honestly, it's part of the reason

1021
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:35.719
<v Speaker 3>why generally speaking, it's it's things like you know, academia

1022
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.480
<v Speaker 3>are kind of a tough nut to crack because those

1023
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:43.559
<v Speaker 3>accreditation and prestige networks are so ideologically captured and when

1024
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.239
<v Speaker 3>they have that kind of you know, ability to designate

1025
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 3>what is and isn't prestigious, there isn't isn't socially advantageous

1026
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, to people who are looking to sort of,

1027
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, climb up the social ladder, it's like, well, right,

1028
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 3>what do you do then?

1029
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:56.079
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1030
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Because that and I'm obviously I'm not asking you to

1031
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 3>solve this problem in the remaining two minutes of this podcast,

1032
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.320
<v Speaker 3>but it does become a very difficult issue, right because

1033
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 3>there are a number of people, some of them pathological,

1034
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 3>some of them human, who are extremely susceptible to those

1035
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:11.960
<v Speaker 3>sort of social cues.

1036
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it is with the way that it's set up,

1037
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 4>it actually creates a fertile breeding ground for dark personalities

1038
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:26.800
<v Speaker 4>machiaviliens in particular, and narcissists and psychopaths. Psychopaths are kind

1039
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:31.000
<v Speaker 4>of the worst at it, but sadists are not curiously,

1040
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 4>but machiavellians, narcissists and sadus are able to recognize also

1041
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 4>that when their internal emotions don't match what they're supposed

1042
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 4>to feel, so they recognize that they are feeling incorrectly.

1043
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:46.920
<v Speaker 4>They will observe the way other people are expressing emotions

1044
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.920
<v Speaker 4>and they will mimic them. This is mirror neuron response.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also been observed in macaque monkeys, and it's again

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<v Speaker 4>millions of years old. When you know, when somebody waves

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<v Speaker 4>that you, someone's waving in a crowd, maybe they're waving

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<v Speaker 4>at you, so you wave back, that's a mirror neuron response.

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<v Speaker 4>It happens autonomically, and people who have these dark personality traits,

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01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.320
<v Speaker 4>they recognize that they can maneuver their way into these

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<v Speaker 4>different situations, environments, groups and engaging them tactically by observing

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<v Speaker 4>others and emotions and mirroring them using this evolved mirror

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<v Speaker 4>neuron response. And it's unfortunately the institutions have to be

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<v Speaker 4>changed because otherwise, again it selects for people who can

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<v Speaker 4>manipulate the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's a valid point, so Aidan, we are coming

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<v Speaker 3>up on time. This has been a fascinating discussion. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>make sure to link to your work on YouTube, but

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<v Speaker 3>where can people find you and what are you working on?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeap Aidan Paladin on YouTube. I'm about to start putting

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<v Speaker 4>out some shorts on this tactical empathy stuff. I've been

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<v Speaker 4>working on it for the last week and a half

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<v Speaker 4>or so since there were in a good thing happened

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<v Speaker 4>just because I was interested in it, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>did know also that Gad Sad was about to publish

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<v Speaker 4>his book on suicidal empathy, and it seems like it's

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<v Speaker 4>really hot topic right now that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>are curious about. I am also looking launching a substack

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<v Speaker 4>that will probably be before the video comes out, but

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<v Speaker 4>not before the YouTube shorts. So if you're interested in

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<v Speaker 4>kind of getting the TLDR on all of the major

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<v Speaker 4>subjects I'm going to cover in the video, those will

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<v Speaker 4>come out to shorts first, or some of it will

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<v Speaker 4>come out of shorts first. Then I'll put out something

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<v Speaker 4>on substack, the full audio version of it and the

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<v Speaker 4>actual article if you want to read that, and then

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<v Speaker 4>if you just want to watch the completed documentary video

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<v Speaker 4>that'll be out a couple weeks after that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sure. I am looking forward to both of those

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<v Speaker 3>as far as my stuff, The Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 3>ads on the free version are irritating, but I got

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<v Speaker 3>Axios Remote Fitness Coaching again, Aiden, this was a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for having me always always a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>To everyone at home, keep your head up. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't last forever.

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<v Speaker 6>Good night.

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