WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.240 Joining us. Now we have a couple of guests, Doc 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.800 Roberts and Jeff Weiss. And I know Jeff because I've 3 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:15.320 been on with him and Trent Loose and he lives 4 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.640 here close close by. And when I covered a couple 5 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.239 of weeks ago, I covered a path away from addiction. 6 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.160 There was a guy whose name was Stoner, and that's 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.960 the way he got started with was with marijuana, and 8 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.200 he and his wife got moved into harder and harder drugs, 9 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.000 and it was a sad story about how they were 10 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.640 trying to substitute methadone for heroin and all the rest 11 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:40.920 of the stuff and all of the side issues that 12 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.560 happened when you become dependent on methadone and other things 13 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:46.159 like that. And Jeff called me and he said, you know, 14 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.840 that's exactly what we do in our ministry. He's got 15 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.320 a couple of ministries that he and Doc Roberts are doing. 16 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.679 And as we talked, I said, yeah, you know, it 17 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.280 really is. He's got a prison ministry as well well 18 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:05.400 as a ministry helping people with addiction, helping people to 19 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:08.439 not just get rid of that in their life, but 20 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.680 also to fill that with to fill that void. But 21 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:14.239 I said, you know, when we look at this, I 22 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.239 told Karen, I said, this really is about people who 23 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.760 are maybe some of them realize that they are locked 24 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.760 in a physical prison, some people are locked into a 25 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.359 spiritual prison, and some people are in prison and they 26 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.439 don't know it. And so I wanted to get them 27 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.480 on and talk a little bit about the program that 28 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:32.959 they got. So joining us now is Doc Roberts and 29 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.120 Jeff Wise. Thank you for joining us, gentlemen. 30 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:36.200 Our pure. 31 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.480 It's wonderful to be here, David, and you know, as 32 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.959 an avid fan of yours and getting a lot of 33 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:44.799 my news and stuff from you, it's just a pleasure 34 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:46.840 to be on with you. And I certainly appreciate you 35 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.239 giving us as time. And it's funny you mentioned our 36 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.120 journey and how we've came to where we're at, because 37 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.239 our ministry is actually called free Indeed, and it's based 38 00:01:55.280 --> 00:02:02.359 on the fact that Jesus explained his statement in John 39 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.560 eight point thirty two very truly, I tell you the truth, 40 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.680 The truth will set you free. Right, And you would 41 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:10.599 have thought that pretty much would have cleared the air, 42 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.680 But there was pushback, right, They're like, wait a minute, 43 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.639 who are you talking about it's unfree. We've never been 44 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.919 anything but free. And that's when he reminded them that 45 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.159 you can replace anything bad in your life with something good. 46 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:26.319 You can do whatever housekeeping you want. But if I 47 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.800 the sun doesn't set you free, you will never be free. Indeed, 48 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.599 and I couldn't. I couldn't. You led me in so 49 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.680 good to give you one particular story of what I 50 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.159 use all the time, and that is freedom has nothing 51 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:44.199 to do with your location and where you're at. I know, man, 52 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:48.520 and my life has changed so much over the years 53 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:51.879 and came into understanding I'm a spirit with a soul 54 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.400 and a body, and that my spirit's eternal. And so 55 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.120 I've met some of these men who quote, by our 56 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:02.800 cultural standards, have done some crazy, horrible, horrific things. But 57 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.840 in the same breath, I've washed the power of Jesus 58 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.319 Christ and the freedom that he can provide him the 59 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.520 chains and the shackles that he can remove. And so 60 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.400 giving you that example, we go and serve at the 61 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.599 state prison here quite often to where we've taught our 62 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.199 book in there before. It's being taught now. But I 63 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.400 was going quite a bit and had a friend there 64 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:28.159 and he had committed multiple murders was never getting out. 65 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:32.080 But I'm telling you what you could see the joy 66 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.639 of Christ and this man he was a light to 67 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.800 where he was. And when you met him and talked 68 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.080 to this man, you would understand that there is nobody 69 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.039 that's any more free than this man who will never 70 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.479 see what we would consider freedom. 71 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.000 Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, And that's one of the things. 72 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:55.879 You know, People on the outside don't realize that they 73 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:57.879 need him. And that's what Jesus would say so many 74 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.439 times to the people. He says that those of you 75 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:01.759 who are well ton need a physician. But the people 76 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.400 that you mentioned, and you've said this to me, that 77 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.400 you come across in prison, they're desperate for this type 78 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.520 of thing and they're serious about it. Unlike many of 79 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.879 us on the outside. We are so distracted and we're 80 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:17.439 living in this wonderful bubble that we live in and 81 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.319 we feel like everything's just fine and we don't need Jesus, right. 82 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.839 Yeah. The only side of that, David is so then 83 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.480 I go to guests speak at a large church two 84 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:31.920 weeks later, and I visit and talk and meet people 85 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:36.279 who are so shackled and imprisoned and have no idea 86 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.959 they are. They are not in prison right physically, but spiritually, 87 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.920 they are living in existence that is absolutely nowhere close 88 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.639 to the abundance of life that we have been created 89 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.199 to have. And that's what Doc teaches and we teach 90 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.519 in our book that there was a blueprint to how 91 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:56.800 to live this life, and so we call it the 92 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.680 Jesus Fuilter. So once you start going outside of that, 93 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.560 that's when a disaster ensues. 94 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.519 That's right. Yeah, I wanted to get you guys on 95 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.800 especially this time of year, because we've got the New 96 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:10.879 Year's coming up. A lot of people are examining their life, 97 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.199 thinking about, you know, things that they would like to 98 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:15.879 change that they don't like about their life. And you 99 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.480 don't have to be addicted to drugs or to alcohol, 100 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.399 or have some other major addiction to sex or anything 101 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.399 like that. But there is really a freedom that I 102 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.199 think a lot of us are missing. And you've got 103 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.519 a book that's called Your Ministry is Free. Indeed, You've 104 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.240 got a book about that. Your current website, I think 105 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.000 is the word says dot net? Is that correct? And 106 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:36.759 you've got another one that is coming up that's going 107 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:40.879 to incorporate free Indeed? Is that right? Yes, yeah, And 108 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:42.639 what is that website going to be in case people 109 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.279 see this and repeat. 110 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.519 Oh, it's so wonderful, David, It just rolls off the 111 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.519 tone I'm freeindeed dot. 112 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.279 Com there you go. Okay, that's great. 113 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:53.639 Ultimately, when you look at the scripture and John and 114 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.959 I want Doc to go in and speak to all 115 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.079 of this. But that is the purpose in this line 116 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.800 and how we make a difference is we become free 117 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.240 through Jesus Christ. We begin to live in Christ, and 118 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:09.199 we learned that the total secret is to be able 119 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.600 to love somebody else more than we love ourselves. How 120 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:12.279 cool is that? 121 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.040 That's right? Yeah, yeah, that sounds like what Jesus said. 122 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.600 Tell us at atle bit about your background, Doc. 123 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:22.079 Yeah, I'd be happy to thank you. Well. I was 124 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:28.040 oldest in five and I first experienced alcoholism when I 125 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.759 was fifteen. I had an aunt who passed away and 126 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.519 it just broke my heart and I couldn't understand it 127 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.240 because she was the only one that followed Jesus Christ 128 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.720 in my family, never went to church and it was 129 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:45.800 devastating to me and probably David. For the next forty years, 130 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.079 I probably didn't have a day go by where I 131 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.480 didn't have some kind of artificial substance in my body 132 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.680 that altered the way I thought and how I felt. 133 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.759 Then about sixteen years ago, I met Jesus in my garage. 134 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.000 I was a broken man. I was a broken soul 135 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.560 and been searching to that void you talked about. And 136 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.480 that's the thing. We have to first understand there is 137 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.319 a void, and I know understand what that void is now. 138 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.639 But I came out of that meeting with Jesus a 139 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.519 completely different person. The desire for me was taken away 140 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.240 because I wanted it to be taken away. I knew 141 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.800 there was more to life than what I was living. 142 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.600 And I'll have to say I've never met a person 143 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.040 that hasn't thought there's more to life than what I'm living, 144 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:43.199 that have the questions of why am I here? What's 145 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.920 the purpose of all this? Surely I wasn't just born 146 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.680 to be spanked on the butt to start crying to 147 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.600 when I'm laying in a cough and throwing dirt on 148 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:57.160 top of it. There has to be purpose to life, 149 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.040 and you know I discovered that purpose because this God 150 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.000 designed it only one way, and that is through Jesus Christ. 151 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.839 And what was on my mind, and we were talking 152 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:12.560 about being stuck and being in prison, not only the jails, 153 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.040 but in our own mind. I find today what so 154 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.639 many people are addicted to is anxiety. 155 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:21.680 Yeah, that's right. 156 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.439 They're addicted to it to the point where they call 157 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:25.199 it their own. 158 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:26.360 Yeah. 159 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.879 How we saw that in the last four years, you know, 160 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.440 the fear that people have, the anxiety, and you know, 161 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.440 they did all kinds. That's why I think we see 162 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.120 this continuing thing about the face mask and the rest 163 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.240 of this stuff. They hang on to that it's like 164 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:41.519 the security blanket for them. 165 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.720 It's a security blanket they think, they think that's who 166 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.039 they are, they identify themselves with. And I'll say, I 167 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.120 was going to say, well, listen, why do you call 168 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.440 it my anxiety? You're you're grabbing ownership of it, and 169 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.879 as long as you want ownership of it, you're going 170 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.559 to have it, and you'll never be relieved to relieved 171 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.600 of it. And so what they do is they go 172 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.120 to counseling and they get pills to try to help 173 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.360 all these anxious feelings. And so what they're doing is 174 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.240 they're playing right into the trap of what it causes. 175 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.360 And scriptor really says, you know, in Philippians four four, 176 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:23.440 through the anxious of nothing, but in everything and everything 177 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:30.639 given a questions and to God and robade them to 178 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.639 the rest. But I will tell you how it is, 179 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.320 and you will find cript peace that is in Christ Jesus. Yes, 180 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:37.480 and we all want peace. 181 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:38.559 That's right. 182 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:39.000 You know. 183 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:40.480 When I was talking about it, one of the things 184 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.879 that I thought was really amazing about that article when 185 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.559 they tried all the different psychological things, and they tried 186 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.000 other substitutionary drugs and everything, and then they talked about 187 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.240 other types of programs, you know, like Alcoholics Anonymous where 188 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.679 they have a kind of a generic higher power or 189 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.080 something like that, and then people who went to a 190 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:04.799 Christian counseling and Christian help and that type of thing. 191 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.840 And it was amazing how much more effective the Christian 192 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.200 counseling was than anything else. It was more effective for 193 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.480 them to go to Alcoholics Anonymous or something with a 194 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:19.440 higher power than it was for the substitutionary drugs. But 195 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:24.360 the thing that really was very powerful was the Christian counseling. 196 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.840 And it was kind of interesting because Anthony Hopkins is 197 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.639 the actor, has talked about this several times, and he 198 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.679 talked about how he struggled with alcoholism for many decades, 199 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:40.360 and he would push back against even the alcoholics anonymous. 200 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.840 Finally somebody said, well, why don't you just give it 201 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.840 a try, you know, and he said when he did, 202 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:50.759 it actually changed his life. And and that's that's I 203 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.559 guess what you're talking about as well. 204 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.399 That's what Jesus does. He changes, he is his lives. 205 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.559 You know, I've been through celebrate recovery. I've been in 206 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.440 a recovery years ago, and now that I have this 207 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.879 relationship with Jesus, I've come to realize that we even 208 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:14.080 hold ourselves short by even using the word recovery. Yeah, 209 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.720 when we recover, we're going back to the place we 210 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.559 were before we started, and that wasn't a good place 211 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.320 for me to begin with. So what we talk about 212 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:27.279 is transformation being changed, where now you don't have to 213 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.799 no longer be identified by that, but now you're starting 214 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.320 to be identified by your life in Christ and in God. 215 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.879 Because guess what, that's who our real identity is in anyway, Yes, 216 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.120 and it was taken from us. We gave it away 217 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.120 in the garden, and ever since then, mankind has been 218 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.120 trying to find their identity in the world and guess what, 219 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:53.200 it's not there. Yes, And we struggle so much in 220 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.759 this world because we're trying to get these spiritual needs 221 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:00.840 of love and worth and value and security in our 222 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.200 being from the world. And God set it up and 223 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.480 can only come through him through Jesus. 224 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:07.320 That's right. 225 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.960 And we realize that and we step into that, and 226 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.039 we step into that. There were starting to understand that 227 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.559 void you mentioned earlier. It's starting to be filled with 228 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:19.240 what it was designed to be filled with. 229 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.200 Yes, yeah, and that's what Jesus said when he began 230 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:28.200 his ministry. I've come to free the captives. And so 231 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.279 I think it really is interesting that. And of course, Jeff, 232 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.039 I know that you also work with people Christians in 233 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.879 Pakistan who are under tremendous persecution there when we talk 234 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:41.200 about that coming up here. But the other two things, 235 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.919 you got so many different irons in the fire here. 236 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.600 The other two things, the people who are in prison 237 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.159 and the people who are spiritually in prison, addicted and 238 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.120 that type of thing. Just talk a little bit about 239 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.519 what you tell people with your program, what you do 240 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.960 in terms of going through the Free Indeed book. 241 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:06.080 Well, the first thing, and you just said it that 242 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:14.759 he came to set the captives free. The problem is 243 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.559 most of us because we don't have what we would 244 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:24.720 consider a biblical worldview, right we don't understand that we 245 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:30.759 are captives. So therein lies your number one challenge is 246 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:35.320 having people understand that there is more out there. You know, 247 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.080 I've heard, you know, one of the sayings when I 248 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.360 was growing up was well lives hell and then you die. 249 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.519 You know. We hear some of the old songs, the 250 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.799 old rugged cross. They're brutal, but when you look at 251 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.320 their history, those were slaves trying to get through the day, 252 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.919 trying to just make it till they actually died. Where 253 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:57.600 what we feel like is that God came and through 254 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.720 his son we were to have life and have it 255 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:04.279 a as we live here, right That it is for you. 256 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.080 But the scripture that comes to mind right now is 257 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.720 the one where it says woe to the man who 258 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.200 sees himself in the mirror and as he walks away, 259 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.320 immediately forgets what he looked like. That's right, that's who 260 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.399 we are because of all the creature comforts. Now, I 261 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:25.039 don't want to discount the drug addiction and what it has, 262 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.399 but what we're saying is that if your identity is 263 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.399 that I'm a child of God, they call me Jeff 264 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.120 so that they don't get me mixed up with everybody else. Yes, 265 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.200 I do real estate. Yes I'm pastor of a church, 266 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:38.519 and I do all these things. He is hit, but 267 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.320 that's not who he is. I am a child of God. 268 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:45.440 We use over and over the palm tree to where 269 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:49.440 during a hurricane, the palm tree might literally be bending 270 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:54.960 over ninety degrees, But the next morning, after it's gone, 271 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.600 where is that palm tree standing straight back up? And 272 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.120 that is to be our identity, that the storms of life, 273 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.519 not when they come, they will. And so what we 274 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:08.000 deal with and talk a lot about is spiritual warfare. 275 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.960 We believe in the full armor of God. And if 276 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.960 you're going to pick up these pieces and put them on, 277 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.879 you're going to have to admit that there is something 278 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.919 going on that I need to defend. And I think 279 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:23.360 that is why our prison, the jail ministries, the recovery ministries, 280 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:27.120 the pat Pakistan ninety eight percent Muslim, but we're growing. 281 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:30.120 We've got several thousand now following us in free indeed, 282 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.240 there they're being asked to go preach and teach free Indeed, 283 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.320 that other Christian church is there. And it's because once 284 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.240 you get that identity, that you have an eternal mindset, 285 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.080 which is the biblical mindset. The woes and the arrows 286 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.600 of this world that Paul speaks of in Ephesians six. 287 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.679 Through the armor of God that will come, they don't 288 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.360 have any kind of effect on you because you're eternal. 289 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.799 We're in America particularly, we tend to judge everything by 290 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.600 our last job, our last relationship that's broken, our last 291 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.440 critical time, have it's sick, or whatever it is. You know, 292 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.519 we be the palm tree. We tend to be identified 293 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:06.840 by that storm. 294 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:08.200 Yes, that's right. 295 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.120 We're. One of Doc's favorite teachings that he does so 296 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.399 well is Jesus in the boat. He said, we're going 297 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.279 to the other side, right, what's you deal? 298 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.600 That's right? Yeah, Yeah. That's the thing is that if 299 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.440 people don't realize, you know, if they're their standard, and 300 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.960 so many Christians their standard is just their circumstances of 301 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.200 what is happening right now. And as long as everything's 302 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.080 gone on, fine, that's fine. But you know, if we 303 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.440 got some kind of a storm, then maybe I'll turn 304 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.799 to Christ and maybe something will happen there but there 305 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:46.039 is a positive relationship that is there even when things 306 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.200 circumstances are good, and that positive relationship is going to 307 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.720 carry you through the bad times. And so you need 308 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.600 to lean into that, grow into that so that you're 309 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.960 ready for those bad times as well. And I think 310 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.960 that's the key thing. So many people, there might be 311 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.559 people listening who are struggling because they're addicted, or you know, 312 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.440 something is controlling their life. And it doesn't have to 313 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.400 be drugs, you know, it could be a lot of 314 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.960 different things. It could be sex, it could be your 315 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.880 love of money, it could be bitterness. It could be 316 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.000 so many different things that are controlling your life. But 317 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.839 those are the most obvious ones when we talk about 318 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.440 drug addiction and alcohol addiction. But the key thing is 319 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.720 to take an inventory of your life. I think this 320 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.400 is a good time of year to start that and 321 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.200 to see if there isn't something better, something high, or 322 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.559 something deeper that people can find. 323 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.880 And there always is, especially deeper considered Jesus. You know, 324 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.160 Scripture says I am in Christ and He is in 325 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.039 me right, And if I may. The first chapter in 326 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.680 our book, David is there is a God and it's 327 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.079 not you. That's right, you know, And what we don't 328 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.640 realize is that because of our sinful nature and the 329 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:59.799 fall of mankind, we become our own individual gods. And 330 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.960 we can just call that individual God or ourselves pride. 331 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.440 And what we end up finding is the God of 332 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.920 me pride is always in war with the pride of 333 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.519 God of somebody else. And then what do you have? 334 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.079 You have kmos, you have turmoil, you have rage, you 335 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:19.440 have destruction. And in all the ways that we humanity 336 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.200 could have been created, that we could exist, why are 337 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.359 we always at odds with each other? Why are we 338 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:31.400 in a state where there's always sabotage and relationships and 339 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.359 we're hurting each other and we envy and we murder, 340 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.880 and why are we that way? Because we couldn't have 341 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:43.920 created any anyway? And you look at you look in Genesis. 342 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.920 I urge everybody meditate and study on the three first 343 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.000 three chapters of Genesis and you'll see why humanity is 344 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.799 in the plight that we are. Then as you move on, 345 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.400 you now can see what the answer is to take 346 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.000 us out of that plight. Because the spiritual issues and 347 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.319 one of the things that we're naive about. I used 348 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.079 to be naive about is that there is a spiritual 349 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.880 realm that is over, if I may say, or rules 350 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.039 over the physical realm. Yes, and you know it's almost 351 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.640 like Earth is a border between Heaven and Hell and 352 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.599 the wars that this border called earth. 353 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.759 Yeah, that's good analogy. Yeah, And when we go back 354 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.119 to Genesis, you know, as you point out, everybody thinks 355 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:30.039 that their God wants to be God, and so he 356 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.720 got all these different gods fighting each other. And I 357 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.079 think from a political standpoint, because I cover politics so much, 358 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:39.359 we can see that in the governments of the world, 359 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.839 all these governments, all these leaders think that their God, 360 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.000 they aspire to be God, and so they want to 361 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:50.920 First of all, most places like that, they attack Christianity internally, 362 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.559 but then that's why they attack other countries, because they 363 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.880 can only be one. I mean, it's it is this 364 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.640 mania to rule everything. All does come from pride, and 365 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.480 that's one of the key things. You know, we always 366 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.920 look at the sins that we commit against each other, 367 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.799 whether it is murder or adultery, like in the life 368 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:14.720 of David, and yet the thing that David was really 369 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.839 punished for was pride, and it had a lot of 370 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:19.480 consequences for the people who were under him, and that 371 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.359 was something that we actually almost hold pride up as 372 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.039 a virtue in our society, don't we. 373 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.839 Yes, yes we do, Yes we do. And if you 374 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:32.759 you know, looking in Ezekiel and Isaiah and talks about 375 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.519 the Lord, talk casts in Satan out of heaven, it 376 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.359 was pride that God put and so the Lord and 377 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:43.960 pride they don't mix. 378 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:46.119 Yes, that's right, they don't mix. 379 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.279 But that's the thing about it is if we can 380 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:52.599 see that and how we were not created to be 381 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.279 that way, that we were created in the righteousness of 382 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.920 God and that's how it was designed. But because of 383 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:05.960 the fall, and it just twisted everything around. And uh, 384 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.279 when I when I first started really studying Genesis and 385 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.680 spiritual warfare, I got that. I got this thought of 386 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.160 what would an alien say if it just happened to 387 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.440 look and study humanity for a while, what one word 388 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.680 would have come away with? And the word that kept 389 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:28.319 coming in my mind was chaos. Just chaos, and it's sad. 390 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.160 That's what we that's what the overear and we see 391 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.400 that in the newscast. I don't even like watching the 392 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.319 news because all that because I'm just so focused on 393 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:40.079 getting people to understand the spiritual war that's not only 394 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.400 going on into the world, but going on in your 395 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.319 families and normally that going on inside of view. 396 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.200 That's right. Well, you know when you look at Genesis, uh, 397 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:52.519 it's a chaos form without void at the beginning. And 398 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.920 what happens The Holy Spirit hovers for that and brings 399 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.039 order out of that chaos. And that's what can happen 400 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.039 in our life if we submit, if we look for God. 401 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:06.279