Speaker 1: Joining us. Now we have a couple of guests, Doc
Speaker 1: Roberts and Jeff Weiss. And I know Jeff because I've
Speaker 1: been on with him and Trent Loose and he lives
Speaker 1: here close close by. And when I covered a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I covered a path away from addiction.
Speaker 1: There was a guy whose name was Stoner, and that's
Speaker 1: the way he got started with was with marijuana, and
Speaker 1: he and his wife got moved into harder and harder drugs,
Speaker 1: and it was a sad story about how they were
Speaker 1: trying to substitute methadone for heroin and all the rest
Speaker 1: of the stuff and all of the side issues that
Speaker 1: happened when you become dependent on methadone and other things
Speaker 1: like that. And Jeff called me and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we do in our ministry. He's got
Speaker 1: a couple of ministries that he and Doc Roberts are doing.
Speaker 1: And as we talked, I said, yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: really is. He's got a prison ministry as well well
Speaker 1: as a ministry helping people with addiction, helping people to
Speaker 1: not just get rid of that in their life, but
Speaker 1: also to fill that with to fill that void. But
Speaker 1: I said, you know, when we look at this, I
Speaker 1: told Karen, I said, this really is about people who
Speaker 1: are maybe some of them realize that they are locked
Speaker 1: in a physical prison, some people are locked into a
Speaker 1: spiritual prison, and some people are in prison and they
Speaker 1: don't know it. And so I wanted to get them
Speaker 1: on and talk a little bit about the program that
Speaker 1: they got. So joining us now is Doc Roberts and
Speaker 1: Jeff Wise. Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Our pure.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful to be here, David, and you know, as
Speaker 3: an avid fan of yours and getting a lot of
Speaker 3: my news and stuff from you, it's just a pleasure
Speaker 3: to be on with you. And I certainly appreciate you
Speaker 3: giving us as time. And it's funny you mentioned our
Speaker 3: journey and how we've came to where we're at, because
Speaker 3: our ministry is actually called free Indeed, and it's based
Speaker 3: on the fact that Jesus explained his statement in John
Speaker 3: eight point thirty two very truly, I tell you the truth,
Speaker 3: The truth will set you free. Right, And you would
Speaker 3: have thought that pretty much would have cleared the air,
Speaker 3: But there was pushback, right, They're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: who are you talking about it's unfree. We've never been
Speaker 3: anything but free. And that's when he reminded them that
Speaker 3: you can replace anything bad in your life with something good.
Speaker 3: You can do whatever housekeeping you want. But if I
Speaker 3: the sun doesn't set you free, you will never be free. Indeed,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't. I couldn't. You led me in so
Speaker 3: good to give you one particular story of what I
Speaker 3: use all the time, and that is freedom has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with your location and where you're at. I know, man,
Speaker 3: and my life has changed so much over the years
Speaker 3: and came into understanding I'm a spirit with a soul
Speaker 3: and a body, and that my spirit's eternal. And so
Speaker 3: I've met some of these men who quote, by our
Speaker 3: cultural standards, have done some crazy, horrible, horrific things. But
Speaker 3: in the same breath, I've washed the power of Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ and the freedom that he can provide him the
Speaker 3: chains and the shackles that he can remove. And so
Speaker 3: giving you that example, we go and serve at the
Speaker 3: state prison here quite often to where we've taught our
Speaker 3: book in there before. It's being taught now. But I
Speaker 3: was going quite a bit and had a friend there
Speaker 3: and he had committed multiple murders was never getting out.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you what you could see the joy
Speaker 3: of Christ and this man he was a light to
Speaker 3: where he was. And when you met him and talked
Speaker 3: to this man, you would understand that there is nobody
Speaker 3: that's any more free than this man who will never
Speaker 3: see what we would consider freedom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, And that's one of the things.
Speaker 1: You know, People on the outside don't realize that they
Speaker 1: need him. And that's what Jesus would say so many
Speaker 1: times to the people. He says that those of you
Speaker 1: who are well ton need a physician. But the people
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, and you've said this to me, that
Speaker 1: you come across in prison, they're desperate for this type
Speaker 1: of thing and they're serious about it. Unlike many of
Speaker 1: us on the outside. We are so distracted and we're
Speaker 1: living in this wonderful bubble that we live in and
Speaker 1: we feel like everything's just fine and we don't need Jesus, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only side of that, David is so then
Speaker 3: I go to guests speak at a large church two
Speaker 3: weeks later, and I visit and talk and meet people
Speaker 3: who are so shackled and imprisoned and have no idea
Speaker 3: they are. They are not in prison right physically, but spiritually,
Speaker 3: they are living in existence that is absolutely nowhere close
Speaker 3: to the abundance of life that we have been created
Speaker 3: to have. And that's what Doc teaches and we teach
Speaker 3: in our book that there was a blueprint to how
Speaker 3: to live this life, and so we call it the
Speaker 3: Jesus Fuilter. So once you start going outside of that,
Speaker 3: that's when a disaster ensues.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I wanted to get you guys on
Speaker 1: especially this time of year, because we've got the New
Speaker 1: Year's coming up. A lot of people are examining their life,
Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, things that they would like to
Speaker 1: change that they don't like about their life. And you
Speaker 1: don't have to be addicted to drugs or to alcohol,
Speaker 1: or have some other major addiction to sex or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But there is really a freedom that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of us are missing. And you've got
Speaker 1: a book that's called Your Ministry is Free. Indeed, You've
Speaker 1: got a book about that. Your current website, I think
Speaker 1: is the word says dot net? Is that correct? And
Speaker 1: you've got another one that is coming up that's going
Speaker 1: to incorporate free Indeed? Is that right? Yes, yeah, And
Speaker 1: what is that website going to be in case people
Speaker 1: see this and repeat.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so wonderful, David, It just rolls off the
Speaker 3: tone I'm freeindeed dot.
Speaker 1: Com there you go. Okay, that's great.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, when you look at the scripture and John and
Speaker 3: I want Doc to go in and speak to all
Speaker 3: of this. But that is the purpose in this line
Speaker 3: and how we make a difference is we become free
Speaker 3: through Jesus Christ. We begin to live in Christ, and
Speaker 3: we learned that the total secret is to be able
Speaker 3: to love somebody else more than we love ourselves. How
Speaker 3: cool is that?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, yeah, that sounds like what Jesus said.
Speaker 1: Tell us at atle bit about your background, Doc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be happy to thank you. Well. I was
Speaker 2: oldest in five and I first experienced alcoholism when I
Speaker 2: was fifteen. I had an aunt who passed away and
Speaker 2: it just broke my heart and I couldn't understand it
Speaker 2: because she was the only one that followed Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: in my family, never went to church and it was
Speaker 2: devastating to me and probably David. For the next forty years,
Speaker 2: I probably didn't have a day go by where I
Speaker 2: didn't have some kind of artificial substance in my body
Speaker 2: that altered the way I thought and how I felt.
Speaker 2: Then about sixteen years ago, I met Jesus in my garage.
Speaker 2: I was a broken man. I was a broken soul
Speaker 2: and been searching to that void you talked about. And
Speaker 2: that's the thing. We have to first understand there is
Speaker 2: a void, and I know understand what that void is now.
Speaker 2: But I came out of that meeting with Jesus a
Speaker 2: completely different person. The desire for me was taken away
Speaker 2: because I wanted it to be taken away. I knew
Speaker 2: there was more to life than what I was living.
Speaker 2: And I'll have to say I've never met a person
Speaker 2: that hasn't thought there's more to life than what I'm living,
Speaker 2: that have the questions of why am I here? What's
Speaker 2: the purpose of all this? Surely I wasn't just born
Speaker 2: to be spanked on the butt to start crying to
Speaker 2: when I'm laying in a cough and throwing dirt on
Speaker 2: top of it. There has to be purpose to life,
Speaker 2: and you know I discovered that purpose because this God
Speaker 2: designed it only one way, and that is through Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: And what was on my mind, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about being stuck and being in prison, not only the jails,
Speaker 2: but in our own mind. I find today what so
Speaker 2: many people are addicted to is anxiety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: They're addicted to it to the point where they call
Speaker 2: it their own.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How we saw that in the last four years, you know,
Speaker 1: the fear that people have, the anxiety, and you know,
Speaker 1: they did all kinds. That's why I think we see
Speaker 1: this continuing thing about the face mask and the rest
Speaker 1: of this stuff. They hang on to that it's like
Speaker 1: the security blanket for them.
Speaker 2: It's a security blanket they think, they think that's who
Speaker 2: they are, they identify themselves with. And I'll say, I
Speaker 2: was going to say, well, listen, why do you call
Speaker 2: it my anxiety? You're you're grabbing ownership of it, and
Speaker 2: as long as you want ownership of it, you're going
Speaker 2: to have it, and you'll never be relieved to relieved
Speaker 2: of it. And so what they do is they go
Speaker 2: to counseling and they get pills to try to help
Speaker 2: all these anxious feelings. And so what they're doing is
Speaker 2: they're playing right into the trap of what it causes.
Speaker 2: And scriptor really says, you know, in Philippians four four,
Speaker 2: through the anxious of nothing, but in everything and everything
Speaker 2: given a questions and to God and robade them to
Speaker 2: the rest. But I will tell you how it is,
Speaker 2: and you will find cript peace that is in Christ Jesus. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we all want peace.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: When I was talking about it, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I thought was really amazing about that article when
Speaker 1: they tried all the different psychological things, and they tried
Speaker 1: other substitutionary drugs and everything, and then they talked about
Speaker 1: other types of programs, you know, like Alcoholics Anonymous where
Speaker 1: they have a kind of a generic higher power or
Speaker 1: something like that, and then people who went to a
Speaker 1: Christian counseling and Christian help and that type of thing.
Speaker 1: And it was amazing how much more effective the Christian
Speaker 1: counseling was than anything else. It was more effective for
Speaker 1: them to go to Alcoholics Anonymous or something with a
Speaker 1: higher power than it was for the substitutionary drugs. But
Speaker 1: the thing that really was very powerful was the Christian counseling.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of interesting because Anthony Hopkins is
Speaker 1: the actor, has talked about this several times, and he
Speaker 1: talked about how he struggled with alcoholism for many decades,
Speaker 1: and he would push back against even the alcoholics anonymous.
Speaker 1: Finally somebody said, well, why don't you just give it
Speaker 1: a try, you know, and he said when he did,
Speaker 1: it actually changed his life. And and that's that's I
Speaker 1: guess what you're talking about as well.
Speaker 2: That's what Jesus does. He changes, he is his lives.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been through celebrate recovery. I've been in
Speaker 2: a recovery years ago, and now that I have this
Speaker 2: relationship with Jesus, I've come to realize that we even
Speaker 2: hold ourselves short by even using the word recovery. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when we recover, we're going back to the place we
Speaker 2: were before we started, and that wasn't a good place
Speaker 2: for me to begin with. So what we talk about
Speaker 2: is transformation being changed, where now you don't have to
Speaker 2: no longer be identified by that, but now you're starting
Speaker 2: to be identified by your life in Christ and in God.
Speaker 2: Because guess what, that's who our real identity is in anyway, Yes,
Speaker 2: and it was taken from us. We gave it away
Speaker 2: in the garden, and ever since then, mankind has been
Speaker 2: trying to find their identity in the world and guess what,
Speaker 2: it's not there. Yes, And we struggle so much in
Speaker 2: this world because we're trying to get these spiritual needs
Speaker 2: of love and worth and value and security in our
Speaker 2: being from the world. And God set it up and
Speaker 2: can only come through him through Jesus.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And we realize that and we step into that, and
Speaker 2: we step into that. There were starting to understand that
Speaker 2: void you mentioned earlier. It's starting to be filled with
Speaker 2: what it was designed to be filled with.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and that's what Jesus said when he began
Speaker 1: his ministry. I've come to free the captives. And so
Speaker 1: I think it really is interesting that. And of course, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I know that you also work with people Christians in
Speaker 1: Pakistan who are under tremendous persecution there when we talk
Speaker 1: about that coming up here. But the other two things,
Speaker 1: you got so many different irons in the fire here.
Speaker 1: The other two things, the people who are in prison
Speaker 1: and the people who are spiritually in prison, addicted and
Speaker 1: that type of thing. Just talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what you tell people with your program, what you do
Speaker 1: in terms of going through the Free Indeed book.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing, and you just said it that
Speaker 3: he came to set the captives free. The problem is
Speaker 3: most of us because we don't have what we would
Speaker 3: consider a biblical worldview, right we don't understand that we
Speaker 3: are captives. So therein lies your number one challenge is
Speaker 3: having people understand that there is more out there. You know,
Speaker 3: I've heard, you know, one of the sayings when I
Speaker 3: was growing up was well lives hell and then you die.
Speaker 3: You know. We hear some of the old songs, the
Speaker 3: old rugged cross. They're brutal, but when you look at
Speaker 3: their history, those were slaves trying to get through the day,
Speaker 3: trying to just make it till they actually died. Where
Speaker 3: what we feel like is that God came and through
Speaker 3: his son we were to have life and have it
Speaker 3: a as we live here, right That it is for you.
Speaker 3: But the scripture that comes to mind right now is
Speaker 3: the one where it says woe to the man who
Speaker 3: sees himself in the mirror and as he walks away,
Speaker 3: immediately forgets what he looked like. That's right, that's who
Speaker 3: we are because of all the creature comforts. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't want to discount the drug addiction and what it has,
Speaker 3: but what we're saying is that if your identity is
Speaker 3: that I'm a child of God, they call me Jeff
Speaker 3: so that they don't get me mixed up with everybody else. Yes,
Speaker 3: I do real estate. Yes I'm pastor of a church,
Speaker 3: and I do all these things. He is hit, but
Speaker 3: that's not who he is. I am a child of God.
Speaker 3: We use over and over the palm tree to where
Speaker 3: during a hurricane, the palm tree might literally be bending
Speaker 3: over ninety degrees, But the next morning, after it's gone,
Speaker 3: where is that palm tree standing straight back up? And
Speaker 3: that is to be our identity, that the storms of life,
Speaker 3: not when they come, they will. And so what we
Speaker 3: deal with and talk a lot about is spiritual warfare.
Speaker 3: We believe in the full armor of God. And if
Speaker 3: you're going to pick up these pieces and put them on,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to admit that there is something
Speaker 3: going on that I need to defend. And I think
Speaker 3: that is why our prison, the jail ministries, the recovery ministries,
Speaker 3: the pat Pakistan ninety eight percent Muslim, but we're growing.
Speaker 3: We've got several thousand now following us in free indeed,
Speaker 3: there they're being asked to go preach and teach free Indeed,
Speaker 3: that other Christian church is there. And it's because once
Speaker 3: you get that identity, that you have an eternal mindset,
Speaker 3: which is the biblical mindset. The woes and the arrows
Speaker 3: of this world that Paul speaks of in Ephesians six.
Speaker 3: Through the armor of God that will come, they don't
Speaker 3: have any kind of effect on you because you're eternal.
Speaker 3: We're in America particularly, we tend to judge everything by
Speaker 3: our last job, our last relationship that's broken, our last
Speaker 3: critical time, have it's sick, or whatever it is. You know,
Speaker 3: we be the palm tree. We tend to be identified
Speaker 3: by that storm.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: We're. One of Doc's favorite teachings that he does so
Speaker 3: well is Jesus in the boat. He said, we're going
Speaker 3: to the other side, right, what's you deal?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, Yeah. That's the thing is that if
Speaker 1: people don't realize, you know, if they're their standard, and
Speaker 1: so many Christians their standard is just their circumstances of
Speaker 1: what is happening right now. And as long as everything's
Speaker 1: gone on, fine, that's fine. But you know, if we
Speaker 1: got some kind of a storm, then maybe I'll turn
Speaker 1: to Christ and maybe something will happen there but there
Speaker 1: is a positive relationship that is there even when things
Speaker 1: circumstances are good, and that positive relationship is going to
Speaker 1: carry you through the bad times. And so you need
Speaker 1: to lean into that, grow into that so that you're
Speaker 1: ready for those bad times as well. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the key thing. So many people, there might be
Speaker 1: people listening who are struggling because they're addicted, or you know,
Speaker 1: something is controlling their life. And it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be drugs, you know, it could be a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. It could be sex, it could be your
Speaker 1: love of money, it could be bitterness. It could be
Speaker 1: so many different things that are controlling your life. But
Speaker 1: those are the most obvious ones when we talk about
Speaker 1: drug addiction and alcohol addiction. But the key thing is
Speaker 1: to take an inventory of your life. I think this
Speaker 1: is a good time of year to start that and
Speaker 1: to see if there isn't something better, something high, or
Speaker 1: something deeper that people can find.
Speaker 2: And there always is, especially deeper considered Jesus. You know,
Speaker 2: Scripture says I am in Christ and He is in
Speaker 2: me right, And if I may. The first chapter in
Speaker 2: our book, David is there is a God and it's
Speaker 2: not you. That's right, you know, And what we don't
Speaker 2: realize is that because of our sinful nature and the
Speaker 2: fall of mankind, we become our own individual gods. And
Speaker 2: we can just call that individual God or ourselves pride.
Speaker 2: And what we end up finding is the God of
Speaker 2: me pride is always in war with the pride of
Speaker 2: God of somebody else. And then what do you have?
Speaker 2: You have kmos, you have turmoil, you have rage, you
Speaker 2: have destruction. And in all the ways that we humanity
Speaker 2: could have been created, that we could exist, why are
Speaker 2: we always at odds with each other? Why are we
Speaker 2: in a state where there's always sabotage and relationships and
Speaker 2: we're hurting each other and we envy and we murder,
Speaker 2: and why are we that way? Because we couldn't have
Speaker 2: created any anyway? And you look at you look in Genesis.
Speaker 2: I urge everybody meditate and study on the three first
Speaker 2: three chapters of Genesis and you'll see why humanity is
Speaker 2: in the plight that we are. Then as you move on,
Speaker 2: you now can see what the answer is to take
Speaker 2: us out of that plight. Because the spiritual issues and
Speaker 2: one of the things that we're naive about. I used
Speaker 2: to be naive about is that there is a spiritual
Speaker 2: realm that is over, if I may say, or rules
Speaker 2: over the physical realm. Yes, and you know it's almost
Speaker 2: like Earth is a border between Heaven and Hell and
Speaker 2: the wars that this border called earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good analogy. Yeah, And when we go back
Speaker 1: to Genesis, you know, as you point out, everybody thinks
Speaker 1: that their God wants to be God, and so he
Speaker 1: got all these different gods fighting each other. And I
Speaker 1: think from a political standpoint, because I cover politics so much,
Speaker 1: we can see that in the governments of the world,
Speaker 1: all these governments, all these leaders think that their God,
Speaker 1: they aspire to be God, and so they want to
Speaker 1: First of all, most places like that, they attack Christianity internally,
Speaker 1: but then that's why they attack other countries, because they
Speaker 1: can only be one. I mean, it's it is this
Speaker 1: mania to rule everything. All does come from pride, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the key things. You know, we always
Speaker 1: look at the sins that we commit against each other,
Speaker 1: whether it is murder or adultery, like in the life
Speaker 1: of David, and yet the thing that David was really
Speaker 1: punished for was pride, and it had a lot of
Speaker 1: consequences for the people who were under him, and that
Speaker 1: was something that we actually almost hold pride up as
Speaker 1: a virtue in our society, don't we.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes we do, Yes we do. And if you
Speaker 2: you know, looking in Ezekiel and Isaiah and talks about
Speaker 2: the Lord, talk casts in Satan out of heaven, it
Speaker 2: was pride that God put and so the Lord and
Speaker 2: pride they don't mix.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, they don't mix.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing about it is if we can
Speaker 2: see that and how we were not created to be
Speaker 2: that way, that we were created in the righteousness of
Speaker 2: God and that's how it was designed. But because of
Speaker 2: the fall, and it just twisted everything around. And uh,
Speaker 2: when I when I first started really studying Genesis and
Speaker 2: spiritual warfare, I got that. I got this thought of
Speaker 2: what would an alien say if it just happened to
Speaker 2: look and study humanity for a while, what one word
Speaker 2: would have come away with? And the word that kept
Speaker 2: coming in my mind was chaos. Just chaos, and it's sad.
Speaker 2: That's what we that's what the overear and we see
Speaker 2: that in the newscast. I don't even like watching the
Speaker 2: news because all that because I'm just so focused on
Speaker 2: getting people to understand the spiritual war that's not only
Speaker 2: going on into the world, but going on in your
Speaker 2: families and normally that going on inside of view.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you know when you look at Genesis, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a chaos form without void at the beginning. And
Speaker 1: what happens The Holy Spirit hovers for that and brings
Speaker 1: order out of that chaos. And that's what can happen
Speaker 1: in our life if we submit, if we look for God.
Speaker 1: That is the benefit that comes from that that new creation.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that we've focused on is
Speaker 3: an understanding is how in the Bible we've got all
Speaker 3: the tribes right, and how everyone was at war against
Speaker 3: each other. And we tend to look back at the
Speaker 3: Old Testament as something that doesn't repeat itself. Where man,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you what. We are in a culture where
Speaker 3: if you use apple products, you cannot just not use
Speaker 3: the other products. You have to dislike the other people.
Speaker 3: You know. We're in a culture where sports, you know,
Speaker 3: you can't if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan, well you
Speaker 3: have to hate the Philadelphia Eagles or the Washington whatever
Speaker 3: they're called. Right, So we don't know now, but that
Speaker 3: is I think they're going back. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the point is that this is how the enemy
Speaker 3: works because he knows if we all understood our identity
Speaker 3: one time, that this thing would be over with that,
Speaker 3: you know, the enemy would not be able to flourish.
Speaker 3: And so what we what we tended to wind up
Speaker 3: talking a whole lot is about this that when you
Speaker 3: take your identity and sow politics that you know, I
Speaker 3: follow it a lot because I'm a listener of your
Speaker 3: program and love it dearly. But that's what when I
Speaker 3: see that people take identity, Yes, they take the identity
Speaker 3: as a as a political party, right, or they take
Speaker 3: identity as a doctor or a lawyer or whatever these
Speaker 3: things are. And I would encourage all of us to
Speaker 3: begin to refer to each other as a child of
Speaker 3: God who is experiencing a period of being a doctor, right,
Speaker 3: a child of God who's experiencing anxiety. Don't don't help
Speaker 3: people say, oh, you've got anxiety, No you don't. You're
Speaker 3: a child of God. And we go through the Book
Speaker 3: of James. We've been talking about some what a great
Speaker 3: book it is, but it teaches us once you're aware
Speaker 3: of who you are. Number One I'm a child of
Speaker 3: God with a spirit, with a soul living in a
Speaker 3: temporary body. And then I understand that I am in
Speaker 3: a war, that this is a spiritual war. I need
Speaker 3: to put my full armor of God on. We begin
Speaker 3: to be have this discernment and recognize the attacks as
Speaker 3: they come, and then when they do, we'll go right
Speaker 3: to the anecdote, which is always in the word, and
Speaker 3: in James Chapter four, Versus seven and eighty tells us, hey,
Speaker 3: when it comes, just submit to God. The devil will flee.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right.
Speaker 3: So if we're willing, it's we had to be seeking
Speaker 3: this as a thing. And most of us are so
Speaker 3: comfortable because of what I've talked to you about. I
Speaker 3: feel like we have just come through at least one
Speaker 3: full generation of what I like to call the abdication generation.
Speaker 3: We don't we abdicate everything, including the knowledge of something,
Speaker 3: to someone else, and we just believe the little cliff
Speaker 3: notes or the little crawl at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: screens all we need to know. Let somebody else do
Speaker 3: the heavy lifting. Well it's not working out, Well.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: In any part of our society, that's right.
Speaker 1: And that kind of dependency has been inculcated in people.
Speaker 1: I think going back to school, you know, you just
Speaker 1: tell me what to do and I'll do it. You know,
Speaker 1: you just kind of passively set there thinking that education
Speaker 1: is going to be them filling up your empty bucket.
Speaker 1: And that kind of passivity just permeates the society anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen so many people who we talk
Speaker 1: about people being imprisoned in different ways. I've known people
Speaker 1: who were miserable in their profession, but because they had
Speaker 1: gone to college and they had a degree in teaching,
Speaker 1: or they had a degree as an engineer or whatever, well,
Speaker 1: I can't do anything else. I have to do this.
Speaker 1: You know. That's in a sense, you know, that is
Speaker 1: the kind of we can construct prisons around ourselves of
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. Just like the heart is an
Speaker 1: idle factory, it is also a factory of prison bars
Speaker 1: that we can imprison ourselves and all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Isn't it?
Speaker 2: A lot of times our prison bars are shamed, guilt, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're vengeance. Those are the things that keep us in
Speaker 2: our own sale a prison, are self made prison. You know,
Speaker 2: he wants us to stay right behind there and parents
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: What we find in what we do hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 3: and hundreds and hundreds of cases and years down the
Speaker 3: road is when you meet someone and they either are
Speaker 3: a child of God experiencing whether it be alcohol addiction
Speaker 3: or drug addiction or whatever. The very first question that
Speaker 3: we always ask and want to know is tell me
Speaker 3: about your childhood and your parents, And what would be
Speaker 3: the percentage you would say the ones that don't even
Speaker 3: know who their father is.
Speaker 2: It's way high, it's high most most of them don't.
Speaker 3: Most, well, I'm talking three quarters as their.
Speaker 2: Father wasn't involved in probably more than that, their father
Speaker 2: wasn't involved in their lives at all. Of Course, God
Speaker 2: set that up for the father to be the spiritual leader.
Speaker 2: So if the evil one can get to the father,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got the whole family basically, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's sad, and that's just how he does it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That really has characterized the biggest change I think in
Speaker 1: my life. See how the family has just been torn apart.
Speaker 1: It used to be really a really big deal. You know,
Speaker 1: if you had a movie star that got divorced and
Speaker 1: got remarried. Now nobody would even think twice about that,
Speaker 1: you know, they had to hide it from everybody because
Speaker 1: it was going to be box office poison for them.
Speaker 1: That was not accepted as something that was healthy. People
Speaker 1: realized how that was going to influence them and their
Speaker 1: children to you know, to to these types of things.
Speaker 1: And now it has just permeated our society. We've accepted
Speaker 1: it and it's become so destructive.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if I'm by say, just people struggle in this
Speaker 2: life and it's a cliche, but they're searched for love
Speaker 2: in all the wrong places.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I believe. I believe, you know, the fall didn't didn't
Speaker 2: catch God by surprise and in his wisdom, you know.
Speaker 2: I'll just I'll just say there's a spiritual DNA need
Speaker 2: in us that we need to be loved. Spiritually, we
Speaker 2: need love, we need to express love, we need to
Speaker 2: receive love. Uh. And also we need to know that
Speaker 2: we are worthy, that we have value. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people out there that feel I was a case
Speaker 2: at one time too. I just didn't think I was
Speaker 2: even worthy even begin to be able to fall at
Speaker 2: the Lord's needs or mineed at him. And then there's
Speaker 2: a sense of security that we need to know, we
Speaker 2: need to know that we're safe, and these are spiritual
Speaker 2: needs that only can be satisfied through Jesus, because he
Speaker 2: is the way, the truth in the life to no
Speaker 2: one comes with the Father except through Me. And until
Speaker 2: we understand that, and because they are spiritual and the
Speaker 2: spiritual is deeper or higher than the physical, we know
Speaker 2: they're there. But we try to get him satisfied in
Speaker 2: the world. And the world can't give you what it
Speaker 2: doesn't have, and that only that can only come from Jesus.
Speaker 2: So when we start realizing that and we start receiving
Speaker 2: from him, because He's already given it to us along across,
Speaker 2: we start receiving from him, and then we all of
Speaker 2: a sudden understand that's what we've been searching for all
Speaker 2: these years. And there's joy in that, and there's peace
Speaker 2: in that, there's patience in that. And now all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're starting to see how you're now loving
Speaker 2: other people that before were very unlovable to you. You know,
Speaker 2: you're start having more patience with people that earlier you
Speaker 2: would just fire back at him. That's right, And it
Speaker 2: just starts changing you from the inside out because now
Speaker 2: you've got the Holy Spirit living in you and you're
Speaker 2: moving that pride away where you're letting him work on
Speaker 2: you instead of you work on everybody else.
Speaker 1: That's right, tell us little bit about you said you
Speaker 1: met Jesus and the groad. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about that, had you had you prayed to him? Well
Speaker 1: you looking out for him or what?
Speaker 2: Hell? Always people will always kind of say, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I used to say I found Jesus in
Speaker 2: my garage, but he found me.
Speaker 3: He wasn't lost, right.
Speaker 2: And uh uh for years I was addicted pornography.
Speaker 3: I was, I was.
Speaker 2: I was molested by an uncle when I was young,
Speaker 2: and I really, as I look back on it, I
Speaker 2: got really confused about this love and lust connection because
Speaker 2: he was my father figure because I didn't have my
Speaker 2: natural father biological father in my life and mob two
Speaker 2: or three step dads. But uh, during that time in
Speaker 2: my life, and I was in my mid fifties, I
Speaker 2: was mainly just I struggle with alcoholism. And uh, I
Speaker 2: mean I got some good stories about how the Lord
Speaker 2: worked on that on me, but uh, I just got
Speaker 2: to the point. I was in my garage and actually,
Speaker 2: actually David, I was looking for an article I like
Speaker 2: to write and I was looking for an article I
Speaker 2: had written, probably twelve years earlier in my garage, and
Speaker 2: it is basically quickly it was basically I wrote a
Speaker 2: dialogue story about a man talking to buying drugs from
Speaker 2: a man that he thought was a dealer. But it
Speaker 2: was actually in the story Jesus in described in disguise,
Speaker 2: and in that Jesus asked me. He says, well, why
Speaker 2: do you get high? And my response in the dialogue
Speaker 2: story was because when I'm high, I'm free. And the
Speaker 2: response was was have you ever considered being high because
Speaker 2: you were free? And for some reason, at that moment,
Speaker 2: it hit me in such a way, and I woke
Speaker 2: that twelve years ago, so it's been over thirty years
Speaker 2: since I've written that. It hit me in such a way.
Speaker 2: I started crying, and I started crying out.
Speaker 3: To him, and for the.
Speaker 2: First time, I'll have to say, I had this experience
Speaker 2: of being held by a father I never had, wow,
Speaker 2: And it reminded me who my really father was, and
Speaker 2: the desire for the drugs the penography just seemed to
Speaker 2: melt away from me, and I knew this was what
Speaker 2: I had been searching for for my life. And the
Speaker 2: first thing I did was one up and my wife
Speaker 2: was experiencing alcoholism at the time, told her why it
Speaker 2: happened to me, and went in and deleted my porn site.
Speaker 2: And I haven't been the same person since. And I mean,
Speaker 2: it's if I had any regret, and I don't this,
Speaker 2: you just move forward. I wish you would have happened
Speaker 2: much younger in my life, but who knows. The Lord
Speaker 2: may keep me in this body for another thirty forty years,
Speaker 2: because as long as I'm here, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be an advocate for Jesus Christ, because I know that's
Speaker 2: why everybody needs. I know that's what they're searching for
Speaker 2: out there, and because there's searching for love, they're searching
Speaker 2: for value, purpose and everything in this world will fail
Speaker 2: you in that. And those are even Solomon's.
Speaker 1: Words well, that it's in terms of the timing. It's
Speaker 1: always in God's timing, and all of that bad stuff
Speaker 1: that happened to you, that was all preparation for your ministry,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Sir, Yes, sir, thank you so much. And I know
Speaker 2: that now right now, and it's amazing what revelations He
Speaker 2: gives you with this and how some of those things
Speaker 2: that used to believe about yourself just melt away because
Speaker 2: you understand that's not who you are. But then again,
Speaker 2: you know, I was just spiritual mood at the time,
Speaker 2: and I had a lot of I'm still not.
Speaker 3: Going to do.
Speaker 2: You know, there's the saying I love that that you know,
Speaker 2: when when you're ripe, you're right, when you're green, you grow,
Speaker 2: And I want to stay green in Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: Green and Jesus, your best things in the book you
Speaker 3: got that are doing in my book. Here one of
Speaker 3: our one of our quotes that we dearly love, David,
Speaker 3: and I'll share with you real quick. Here is from C. S. Lewis,
Speaker 3: and I know there it is. I highlighted it blue
Speaker 3: because I love this so much, and to be honest,
Speaker 3: it was a little deep for me. I partially part
Speaker 3: of this is I'm accomplished because I understand what this means,
Speaker 3: and this is something I just I just love. I
Speaker 3: believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen,
Speaker 3: not only because I see it, but because by it
Speaker 3: I see everything else.
Speaker 1: That's a great quote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so that that for us is what
Speaker 3: the light of Christ represents, you know, and when we've
Speaker 3: seen what he can do, we also find that, you know,
Speaker 3: we have fallen asleep to the miracles as we have
Speaker 3: been presenting some Christmas messages lately. You know, we just
Speaker 3: got stuck on this whole. You know, Okay, there was
Speaker 3: a virgin birth and wait what you know, you get
Speaker 3: you get caught in realizing the miracles that got us
Speaker 3: to where we're at and talking about the people that
Speaker 3: were witnessing that in anticipation of the birth of Christ. Right,
Speaker 3: and here we are two thousand some years later with
Speaker 3: all of the miracles, but they're so mundane now because
Speaker 3: we don't even consider that. And one thing that Doc
Speaker 3: had talked about, and the thing that we deal with
Speaker 3: a lot, is that people don't have a sense of
Speaker 3: self worth. Well, when you're aborting almost a million babies
Speaker 3: a year, is it any wonder that since nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: three the value of alife has been discounted. When you
Speaker 3: see gang members on TV that are arrested for murder
Speaker 3: and they're happy because in their mind and their culture
Speaker 3: they have actually made it to the big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you look at how this spreads out
Speaker 1: everything else. It spreads out to euthanasia. It spreads out
Speaker 1: to you know, physician letting people die. And you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have any respect for life at any level.
Speaker 1: We didn't have what about fatherhood? What does it say
Speaker 1: about the fatherhood as well? And a lot isn't worth
Speaker 1: anything bright, that's right. Yeah, yeah, we have held life
Speaker 1: pretty cheap. I think in twenty twenty, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that they were doing to people and
Speaker 1: still holding it cheap. There's no no penalty for any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But you know, when you're we're talking
Speaker 1: about this, and I want to I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Pakistan because I'm curious how did
Speaker 1: you get involved in that? And how do you how
Speaker 1: do you find people in Pakistan? And that kind of
Speaker 1: represses things, one of the worst places on earth to
Speaker 1: be a Christian in terms of persecution, And how do
Speaker 1: you find this people on? How is this? How does
Speaker 1: all work out? How'd you get involved in that?
Speaker 3: You know, my unique uh I speak fluent heard you.
Speaker 2: Wasn't here, Joris forgiving?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that was just no, it's crazy, David, how
Speaker 3: it all started. Now we're coming up on a two
Speaker 3: year anniversary of free indeed Pakistan, but about four years ago,
Speaker 3: maybe even more than that, you know, on Facebook, you
Speaker 3: begin to get these around the world, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3: You know, or maybe even not that grammatically correct, you know,
Speaker 3: and like whatever whatever. So this man I thought, was
Speaker 3: doing this, you know, well, can I pray for you?
Speaker 3: Can I pray for you? And so we went through
Speaker 3: several things, and so I'd throw it out there. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: But what struck me is we go a year, year
Speaker 3: and a half almost two years in this relationship, and
Speaker 3: this person from Pakistan had never asked for anything from
Speaker 3: me except for a prayer. So one day, what you know,
Speaker 3: tell me what you need. Well, anyway, long story short,
Speaker 3: turned out that submarine who I was conversing with is
Speaker 3: a woman who is now part of our family that
Speaker 3: we all dearly love. And she speaks English and she
Speaker 3: was raised we have actually via the internet. We've never
Speaker 3: been there, but in the internet we've been out to
Speaker 3: the so called villie where she was raised, which is
Speaker 3: basically a little side of a mountain like kind of
Speaker 3: a cave that her mother still lives in. And her
Speaker 3: father was a Christian way back then and he wanted
Speaker 3: her to have an education, because as a Christian believer,
Speaker 3: you can't get any kind of a job at all
Speaker 3: unless you convert. Right, So anyway, she started in her
Speaker 3: She showed me her little bedroom with a little hole
Speaker 3: in the side of it for whatever and then this
Speaker 3: little cock and she would move her cot during the
Speaker 3: day and started off with four or five children that
Speaker 3: she began to teach at sixteen years old. And so
Speaker 3: now we're up to I don't know how many schools,
Speaker 3: but between eight hundred and one thousand students now, and
Speaker 3: she's an administrator over six or seven of these schools,
Speaker 3: which might say on fancy, but they live in complete poverty.
Speaker 3: So we've been able to come in. I was able
Speaker 3: to ship books to her, and so now we teach free. Indeed,
Speaker 3: we actually have an annual retreat now that we've had
Speaker 3: two Bible camps where we do a solid, very hard,
Speaker 3: a long week that where they're in Bible camp and
Speaker 3: we teach identity in Christ and the freedom from this
Speaker 3: I am a child of God, right, I'm freedom that
Speaker 3: they give somebody right, we've even forgiveness is a big
Speaker 3: part of what we talk about in our book, not
Speaker 3: because the other person that deserves it, but because that's
Speaker 3: what hinders the Holy Spirit from really doing its work
Speaker 3: through you, because of what unforgiveness does. Now, imagine living
Speaker 3: in a country where ninety eight percent of people hate you.
Speaker 3: So of the whole forgiveness ceremonies we've done have been
Speaker 3: so powerful. They didn't weren't even aware because it seems
Speaker 3: natural to hate the enemy. But they have been freed
Speaker 3: of so much of this, and it's a lot. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just flourishing, David, you wouldn't I'll get you know,
Speaker 3: I can get her on anytime. She loves doing this.
Speaker 3: She's on shows, she's been on with us, with Trent before,
Speaker 3: just soak because the things that there was one one example,
Speaker 3: one night I called her because we were preparing for
Speaker 3: an upcoming meeting and I'm like, Serena's dark in there.
Speaker 3: Why aren't you where? She said, no, we have no electricity.
Speaker 3: I said, oh, the powers of no. We did not
Speaker 3: have enough this month to pay our biit Like you
Speaker 3: know what, let me know will help you out? She said, no,
Speaker 3: you don't understand. We found fifteen families with no food, Like, uh,
Speaker 3: why would we be so arrogant as to have power
Speaker 3: when we found these fifteen families back here that didn't
Speaker 3: have anything to eat, we went and fed them. We'll
Speaker 3: get power next month.
Speaker 1: What a difference to that and the American church. You know,
Speaker 1: we're here, we go, multimillion dollar building. You know, I
Speaker 1: was just talking about what was happening with in Silicon
Speaker 1: Valiance said, oh this is really great, Like Christianity's on
Speaker 1: the move. There got Peter Tiles coming and you know,
Speaker 1: we've got this twelve million dollar building that we put
Speaker 1: up here and everything. It's like, I don't recognize any
Speaker 1: of that. It's what she's doing that's the real real thing,
Speaker 1: truly is that's amazing. And of course there in Pakistan,
Speaker 1: as you point out, it's not just the fact that
Speaker 1: they will you won't be able to get a job,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, who knows, we might wind
Speaker 1: up with something like that pretty soon as well, because
Speaker 1: I constantly cover people who are being dictated to violate
Speaker 1: their conscience and their religious beliefs, and if they don't,
Speaker 1: they are purged, they perche office social media, they're purged
Speaker 1: out of their job and so forth. So that type
Speaker 1: of intolerance is working its way here as well. But
Speaker 1: it's even worse than that, because have they had any
Speaker 1: people in the group that you work with that have
Speaker 1: been harmed?
Speaker 3: Well, gosh, yeah, we had about a year and a
Speaker 3: half ago there was we okay, so we had this issue.
Speaker 3: The roads are terrible potholes everywhere, and the way these
Speaker 3: pastors and the people that are working in our ministry
Speaker 3: travel was by these motorcycles. And so by the time
Speaker 3: they're thirty five thirty eight forty max, their backs are
Speaker 3: gone from up and down these roads. So anyway, we
Speaker 3: were blessed and able to get them a van. Well
Speaker 3: she puts free indeed, John eight thirty six all over
Speaker 3: that and then I'm just like, hey, hey on here
Speaker 3: is this safe for us to do? She was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's safe. Well it wasn't long after that. And I
Speaker 3: will tell you we can tell stories about our wonderful
Speaker 3: interactions with Muslims there because what we're told is not true.
Speaker 3: The guy that does all of our type setting in Pakistan,
Speaker 3: I can show you all the stuff she does over there,
Speaker 3: all the banners and all the things that we have.
Speaker 3: He is a Muslim that does this. And she has
Speaker 3: told me that she has gone to him and he
Speaker 3: is reading some of this, and he is like so
Speaker 3: curious about this Jesus that we know because he knows
Speaker 3: him as a prophet, but yet he's terrified to ask
Speaker 3: any more questions. Right, So, anyway, this moves along to
Speaker 3: where we're doing good in this jeering walla, this area
Speaker 3: that we're at kind of a Christian little area, and
Speaker 3: so out of the blue, the government decides that they're
Speaker 3: going to put a Christian on the government as an advocate.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, right, yeah, so fast right, because the uprising
Speaker 3: they burnt ninety nine homes, they killed a baby, they
Speaker 3: burnt twenty churches, and the government's response was, of course
Speaker 3: to fire the guy that they were going to call
Speaker 3: as an advocate. We've seen one of our men beaten
Speaker 3: severely to an inch of his death because somebody took
Speaker 3: a page of the Koran threw it out in front
Speaker 3: of him. He by stepped on it, and they said
Speaker 3: that he blasphemed the Koran. And so you know, this
Speaker 3: identity and to them, the reason that they're happy is
Speaker 3: they know every day could be that day for them
Speaker 3: standing up for Jesus. But now that they realize they're
Speaker 3: an eternal spirit with a soul that's going to live forever,
Speaker 3: and that we have a whisper of a life, and
Speaker 3: that things here are rubbish. They get all that and
Speaker 3: they clutch onto them. So that's why, although I was
Speaker 3: happy to talk about some of the drug addiction, you
Speaker 3: see now while I'm saying that this is so much
Speaker 3: bigger of an issue. It's identity. Who am I? You
Speaker 3: know what I have decided? Once you say you're a believer,
Speaker 3: there are certain conditions to all this. We want to
Speaker 3: act like in our culture. Oh, say a little prayer,
Speaker 3: do what you want, go to church on Sunday, be
Speaker 3: a good person, and you're going to go to heaven.
Speaker 3: But if you read in the Bible, there's nowhere anywhere
Speaker 3: that substantiates that it is purely conditional for those in Christ. Therefore,
Speaker 3: those if you're in Christ, you're a new creation right
Speaker 3: roman day one. You know that there is no comb
Speaker 3: condemnation for the Oh in Christ, that's right.
Speaker 1: And you miss that that richness, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that these people can be content with their life, probably
Speaker 1: more content than most Americans under these difficult circumstances. That
Speaker 1: is the thing that we're missing here. You know, we
Speaker 1: have so much and yet it is so shallow, so materialistic,
Speaker 1: and they can transcend that and a large part of that.
Speaker 1: And we can always look at this in our own
Speaker 1: personal lives. So many times the difficult things are the
Speaker 1: times that we grow and we get closer, and you know,
Speaker 1: just like in your life, Doc, the fact that you
Speaker 1: had such a long, difficult period of darkness makes the
Speaker 1: light so much sweeter, doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, it does, It definitely does.
Speaker 3: Well. Not only that the whole idea of testimony, this
Speaker 3: man has been able to sit eye to eye with
Speaker 3: countless people, person after person after person, on one on
Speaker 3: one basis, and that person No, just in last week
Speaker 3: or two, I had a situation here at the house.
Speaker 3: There was a worker and you're a pastor. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 3: And he was at a breaking point. I mean, this
Speaker 3: guy was ready to give it all up. And so
Speaker 3: you know, he reaffirmed is a love of Christ, and
Speaker 3: he said, hey, will you do this with me? I said, well,
Speaker 3: I will, but I got somebody else. And so, because
Speaker 3: he had suffered a period of alcoholism, was still in
Speaker 3: the throes of it, and that evening Doc had about
Speaker 3: a forty five minute conversation with the man because I
Speaker 3: knew that was the handoff, right yea, six months after
Speaker 3: I'd been saved, the guy that led me to the
Speaker 3: Lord said hey, there's a guy who needs you to
Speaker 3: talk to. I'm like, it might not only been sent
Speaker 3: six months. I'm like, what are you talking about. You're
Speaker 3: the pastor, you're a world evangelist. He goes, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I've never been divorced. So this concept is what the
Speaker 3: Bible teaches. You know, you want to hold someone's hand,
Speaker 3: and who better to hold someone's hand than someone who
Speaker 3: has already walked the path that that person is maybe
Speaker 3: going to be walking down.
Speaker 1: That's very wise. Yeah, it's very true.
Speaker 2: And saying in the same token, uh, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what that path is, Jesus is the is the antidote,
Speaker 2: that's rights anecdote for all the bars that we were
Speaker 2: behind in our own prison. And uh, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I'd never if somebody had told me years ago I'd
Speaker 2: be doing this, I'd have thought they were crazy. No,
Speaker 2: I'd probably ask them what they were smoking, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, let me ask. But you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Lord's plans are not my plans. And I'm learning every
Speaker 2: day to be that light for others. Because you can
Speaker 2: talk a good game all day long, but if you
Speaker 2: if you are not demonstrating that in experience, because we
Speaker 2: know life is just accumulation of experiences. And I tell
Speaker 2: these men even listen, I've never been incarcerated, but I
Speaker 2: could have been. But the Lord. The Lord touched me
Speaker 2: to start a local jail ministry about twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: But then I found out that ninety over ninety five
Speaker 2: percent of the people that are in jail or prison,
Speaker 2: it's somewhere down drug or alcohol related. They're always usually
Speaker 2: not a they're not a sober mind. You know, when
Speaker 2: the crime, whatever they've done, they've done. So you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, the light is the brightest, words the darkest.
Speaker 2: That's right, and a lot of times that's where the darkness,
Speaker 2: it really is the deepest.
Speaker 1: Well truly is amazing what you guys have been involved in.
Speaker 1: But of course, as you'd point out, it is Christ
Speaker 1: who's leading you to that, leading you through that, and
Speaker 1: helping you to lead other people out of that. But
Speaker 1: it is it is wonderful to go back and to
Speaker 1: look at the power, especially as we're coming into a
Speaker 1: new year, the power that Christ gives us to completely
Speaker 1: change our life to give us a new start. And
Speaker 1: I just hope that everybody takes a look at it,
Speaker 1: because there isn't anybody that's arrived there in any of
Speaker 1: us who can't find some richer deeper walk with Christ,
Speaker 1: richer deeper meaning in life coming up in this next year.
Speaker 1: And so it's great to talk to you guys again.
Speaker 1: You've got a book free indeed, you've got a website.
Speaker 1: The word says dot net. Of course, that's going to
Speaker 1: read direct to your new website that is going to
Speaker 1: be up pretty soon, I guess. And anything else you
Speaker 1: want to tell people before we go any other.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to leave with this word of hope,
Speaker 3: and I think it's the first scripture that comes into
Speaker 3: our book. And our hope is that people would embrace
Speaker 3: the fact that being free indeed is something that's attainable
Speaker 3: in this life. Yes, not to get in to this attack.
Speaker 3: And so Second Corinthians, Chapter three, verses seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 3: say this, Now the Lord is spirit, and where the
Speaker 3: spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. And we
Speaker 3: all who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's are being
Speaker 3: transformed into his image with ever increasing glory, which comes
Speaker 3: from the Lord who is spirit. Yeah, get your identity
Speaker 3: going this year, make that you're you're not New Year's
Speaker 3: but the rest of this existence on earth. To understand
Speaker 3: the spirit with the soul and this body is very temporary.
Speaker 1: Yes, amen. Well, thank you very much, Jeff Weiss and
Speaker 1: Doc Roberts, Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for what you do.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the positive message that all of us
Speaker 1: can benefit from. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you, David, Thank you, thanks for having us. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Good day, God bless you.
Speaker 4: Hello, it's me Voladimir Zelenski. I'm so tired of wearing
Speaker 4: these same T shirts everywhere for years. You'd think with
Speaker 4: all the billions I've skimmed off America, I could dress better.
Speaker 4: And I could if only David Knight would send me
Speaker 4: one of his beautiful gray mcguffin hoodies or a new
Speaker 4: black T shirt with the mcguffin logo in blue. But
Speaker 4: he told me to get lost. Maybe one of you
Speaker 4: American suckers can buy me some at the Davidnightshow dot com,
Speaker 4: and David is giving a ten percent discount to listeners
Speaker 4: from now until twenty twenty five. At that price, you
Speaker 4: should be able to buy me several hundred. Those amazing
Speaker 4: sand colored microphone hoodies are so beautiful, I'd wear something
Speaker 4: other than green military cosplay to my various.
Speaker 2: Galas and social events.
Speaker 4: If you want to save on shipping, just put it
Speaker 4: in the next package of bombs and missiles coming from
Speaker 4: the USA.