WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:03.000 How'd you like to listen to dot net rocks with 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:03.799 no ads? 3 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:04.839 Easy? 4 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.560 Become a patron for just five dollars a month. You 5 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.320 get access to a private RSS feed where all the 6 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:14.599 shows have no ads. Twenty dollars a month, we'll get 7 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:18.440 you that and a special dot NetRocks patron mug. Sign 8 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:34.200 up now at Patreon dot dot NetRocks dot com. Hey 9 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.719 guess what, it's dot net Rocks twenty twenty five edition. 10 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:44.399 This would be our third episode of twenty twenty five. Franklin, 11 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:45.320 that's Richard Campbell. 12 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:46.679 Hey you new year, go man. 13 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.119 I think it's going pretty well. 14 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:52.200 Time shifting. 15 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:55.119 Yeah, it's fun. We always have fun, and we always 16 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:57.679 have fun with Rob Conry, who's coming up here very soon. 17 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:59.679 Be entirely too long, Yeah, yeah, it's been. 18 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.640 Entirely too long. But what's going on up in the 19 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:04.959 Great Northwest? Richard? 20 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:05.319 Ah? 21 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.519 You know it's the normal winter weather, which is to say, gray, 22 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.359 much gray. In fact, by the time this show is publishing, 23 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.319 I will be in Mexico. Because the way to not 24 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.480 lose your mind in the deep gray of the Pacific 25 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.760 Northwest for months and months is they do a couple 26 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:20.959 of weeks in the sun so. 27 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:22.680 Leave some garbage out for the bears. 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.280 I hope off the Portavarda. Yeah, you know. Bear intensity 29 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.000 is actually lower here than in the city. Oh, you know, 30 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.120 because they isn't that interesting because right, it's easy food. 31 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.640 Right here, the food's not as easy, so they there's 32 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:39.280 not as we've got more deer problems and they're true 33 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.200 hazard in this part of the world is the elk. 34 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:42.640 Yeah, you hit one of those. 35 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:46.000 Elk is big, right, and and they're not there's never one. 36 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.680 There's twelve, and one of them is a male with 37 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.000 bad attitude. Yeah, and so yeah in the fall when 38 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.719 they're down like it's we One time we turn onto 39 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.000 our driveway. There's twelve bulks standing in a driveway and 40 00:01:58.040 --> 00:01:59.680 I sort of look over at her and go, you know, 41 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:01.359 we can go to the pub. She goes, yeah, let's 42 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.200 go to the pub. So I turn around. You don't 43 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.280 want to mess with elk. So they're strong enough to 44 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.240 flip a car our elk bigger than moose. No, moose 45 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.599 are the biggest, but moose tend to be solitary. Right. 46 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.199 The story goes, if you hit a deer damages your car, Yeah, 47 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:18.039 if you hit an elk, it probably kills you because 48 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.599 it goes over the hood through the windshield. You probably 49 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.240 won't hit the moose. You'll go under it, right, Like, 50 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.840 that's how big moose are. They're really, really quite large. 51 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.319 But you only ever see one or two. But we 52 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.159 only lived up here a little over a year, and 53 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:35.919 three times now i've had a dozen elk walking by 54 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.599 the highway. 55 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:37.080 Wow. 56 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.280 And yeah, no, they're they're they're an issue. 57 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.240 But they could be good eating if you hit them right. 58 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.919 Yeah, absolutely, And there is a hunting season up here, 59 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.960 without a doubt. Do you have some friends with you know, 60 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.520 venison and elk. They generally blend it with pork to 61 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.120 make sausage pork fat. 62 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.960 I remember a story when I was a kid. I 63 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.680 heard that friend of a friend or whatever hit a 64 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:04.240 moose with the car and it went through the windshield 65 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.680 and it told, you know, they were unconscious and stuff, 66 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:12.000 and the last memory they had was looking up and 67 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.120 seeing the moose running away with a luggage rack in 68 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:16.199 its snagglers. 69 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.680 Yeah. Yeah, Now that's the thing is you're going to 70 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.120 wreck the car, but moose very unlikely walk away. But yeah, 71 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.039 moose are so tall, Yeah, you know you'll go right 72 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.439 almost right over them right right out of your legs. 73 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.520 All right, let's get to better know a framework. This 74 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:32.120 is a good one. 75 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:41.000 Tell me all about it, all right. 76 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.800 So this again is another thing that Brian McKay, one 77 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:47.159 of the next guys. 78 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.360 Kay has produced a lot of good stuff and they 79 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.360 better know a framework category. Over the years he finds 80 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.319 the stuff and and I wanted to show Rob this. 81 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:03.439 It's hit in mix dot com, hit and mix hiitmix 82 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.919 dot com. So they call it an AI digital Audio workstation. 83 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:15.400 So they do stems AI separations stem separation. So what 84 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.839 that means is you have a song, you put it 85 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.480 in there, and let's say it's bass, drums, piano, guitar, 86 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:26.160 and singing. They can extract those individual tracks, so. 87 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.040 The machine learning model will actually pull apart the song 88 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:29.360 for you. 89 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.000 Yeah, it'll give you a raw drum track, a raw 90 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.720 bass track, a guitar track. I don't I haven't heard 91 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:41.319 it work really well, right, you know, it's kind of 92 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.879 like a novelty. But if you're going to actually do 93 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.079 anything with those tracks and make them sound good, I 94 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.160 don't know, but it's interesting. So you can also edit 95 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.959 stems note by note so that it can turn a 96 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.759 bass track let's say into notes and Rob you can 97 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.680 chime in here if you want to take a look 98 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.759 at the video. So if you're familiar with MIDI editing, 99 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:12.120 it's kind of like that wow, or even you know 100 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.959 the auto tune and melodine and those kinds of things 101 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.439 where you can take audio notes and move them around 102 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.519 and change the pitch and all that stuff. 103 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.959 It's pretty neat. You know, I'm taking a drum lessons 104 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.079 and my instructor will come in and remove a drum 105 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.600 track so that I can actually play along with a song, 106 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.959 which is insanely helpful. So that would be really neat 107 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:33.600 for something like that. 108 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.560 And you don't hear any of the drum tracks in 109 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:37.560 the background. 110 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:40.600 Well you can hear a little, but forgot the app 111 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.600 that he uses. It strips out the drum track. But 112 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.759 he'll also strip out a drum track and put a 113 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.759 little section on loop so I can learn a song 114 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:48.800 and try and play along with it. 115 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:49.519 That's really cool. 116 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.959 It's traditionally in remixing music, like a lot of musicians 117 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:57.079 who are into remixing will publish stems. They'll take a 118 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.240 song and say here's sixteen stems from it. Here's the 119 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.720 drum trackers baseline, here's you know that sound and so forth, 120 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.720 so that you can make your own thing effectively with 121 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.519 their permission, Like this is kind of making stems against 122 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.160 the artists will Yeah. 123 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.120 That's right. I knew an artist, a producer who got 124 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.000 his hands on the real stems for Long Train Running 125 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.360 by the Doobie Brothers, like the individual tracks. There was 126 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.439 no AI back then. It was in the nineties and 127 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.600 or the two thousands anyway, and that was really cool. 128 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.920 I was like, Wow, I would love to get my 129 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.920 hands on that, just the player, and he's like, no, 130 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:35.600 I'm sorry, I was sworn to. 131 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.360 Uphold the On the other hand, you happen to be 132 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.800 somebody who could play each of those stems anyway, So 133 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:44.040 just make your own. 134 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.199 It's true I could, but not the foals. 135 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.519 I've seen you do it. It's not even a speculation. 136 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:53.800 Yeah, well, the vocals and the chorus on the vocals, 137 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.199 you know, the gang vocals. 138 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.680 That represents an impossibility to me, Carl. That represents some 139 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.079 effort for you, That's all it is. You know who 140 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.439 to call, In fact, you're friends with who to call. 141 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:06.560 Yeah're probably right. 142 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.839 You have the place to have them bring them to 143 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:10.759 to make it like if you want the steps to 144 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:11.600 make them. 145 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.560 Yeah, okay, none of that. I thought this was a 146 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.079 really cool thing. And Brian thanks for showing it to me. 147 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:20.399 He's shown us other stuff in the past. 148 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.600 Of course, I know. Another great find by Brian Austin. 149 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.720 Thanks and no learned to love it. Who's talking to 150 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:26.160 us today? 151 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.360 Richard grabbed a calm on top of the show fourteen 152 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.879 seventy one. Yeah, a little back into the way Back 153 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:35.120 Machine twenty seventeen, which was a panel discussion we did 154 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:41.279 an NDC oslo well going Serverless with one Rob Connery, 155 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.879 our friend Lynn Langett and Matthias Brandewinder. Great, it was 156 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.560 the early days of Servilus, right, it's twenty seventeen, so 157 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:51.759 this is we talked a little lambda which really where 158 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.560 that came from, and then of course Azua function and 159 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.480 so forth. There wasn't even a conversation about containers at 160 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.120 the time, the fact that under the hood this is containers, 161 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.079 it's just their automated so you don't have to own them. 162 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.040 And a past guests too. This is a committedly a 163 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.439 comment from seven years ago. It's from Chris love Ah, 164 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.560 our JavaScript friend. Yeah, he says, another great episode about 165 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.839 a topic I have fallen in love with. I've been 166 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.800 migrating everything to serverleist the past year, and it rocks 167 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:21.680 not only in performance and scalability, but costs. When Orchard 168 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.000 asked Rob's about static progressive web apps over serverless, I cheered, 169 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.439 like my team just scored a winning touchdown. That's exactly 170 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.839 what I'm doing these days. It makes me wonder if 171 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.759 Richard has been spying all my daily work like I 172 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:39.559 have that kind of time. This was a great panelisquession. 173 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.200 I felt like they actually covered so many topics that 174 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.120 have crossed my path in the last year. Made me 175 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.159 feel much better about where I am, where I've been, 176 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.759 and where I'm going with serverless. Now I know I'm 177 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.480 not doing it wrong. What a confidence booster. I'm a 178 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.559 little disturbed at your confidence in us there, Chris. We're 179 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.240 exploring a technology, although admittedly in twenty seventeen, so what 180 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.360 is that you know eight years ago? 181 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:01.679 Now? 182 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.759 Something like that again early days of serverlests, and it 183 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.360 did take a lot of stuff off the table. I've 184 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:14.240 certainly liked it from the modular monolith perspective, that's taking 185 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:18.080 the problematic class out of your big you know, mother 186 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.200 of all class set and sticking it over in a 187 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.120 serverless instant just to scale it independently or to telemetry 188 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.639 it independently, like to really put a wrapper around it. 189 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.159 And then that's almost an interim phase, like you could 190 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.039 leave it like that, but you're not happy with it, 191 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.080 and now you re engineer a bit make it more 192 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:36.600 of a traditional micro service like this. It's to me, 193 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.600 I'm always a performance tuning guy, and it's helped me 194 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:41.559 with the performance problem. And serverless is one of those 195 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.200 great tools in the pocket of let's take the trouble 196 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:49.399 child and put it in its own can well anyway, Chris, 197 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.080 I don't know if you have a copy of music Code, 198 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:52.399 I would like to send you one. If you'd like 199 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.120 a copy of music code, I write a comment on 200 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.559 the website at Don Atrocks dot com. We're on the facebooks. 201 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.519 We publish every show there, and if you comment there 202 00:09:58.519 --> 00:09:59.679 and I read it on the show, we'll send you 203 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:00.559 copy music go by. 204 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.919 And of course there are other social medias out there 205 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.000 that we you know frequent. We've been on ex Twitter 206 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.919 for years of course, at Carl Franklin and at Rich Campbell. 207 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.960 We're also on blue Sky at Carl Franklin dot bsky 208 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.759 dot app and Rich Campbell dot bsky dot app. And 209 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:22.279 also I'm Mastadon, I'm Carl Franklin at Techa dot social. 210 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.200 And I'm Rich Campbell at Masterdon dot social. 211 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.279 Multiple ways that you can get yourself a copy of 212 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.279 music to code by just by sending us something interesting. 213 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.600 I'm looking at the current traction around Blue Sky now, 214 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.200 you know, not just the tech folks hanging out there, 215 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.519 but also news conversation and political conversation so forth, Like, 216 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.080 oh yeah, the gravity of a Blue Sky right now 217 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.519 is interesting because I got a threads account, you know, 218 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:46.240 and we're in the I mean in the midst We're 219 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.039 still working on the geek outs for the end of 220 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.200 the year, and so I often am talking with folks 221 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:51.840 about what I'm working on the geek outs, and the 222 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.080 amount of traffic I get from Blue Sky is astonishing, 223 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:56.240 more than Twitter. 224 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.799 I have almost caught up to the number of followers 225 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.519 that I have on maston on Blue Sky, but it's 226 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:08.240 going faster, like Mastadon kind of leveled out, but more 227 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.799 and more people. And I subscribe to a couple of 228 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.399 news feeds on Blue Sky, and I kind of like it. 229 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:19.000 Except the occasional story about wrestling, which I have no 230 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.759 idea why. I guess they don't do the targeting like 231 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.279 you know, the REDS and Facebook does. 232 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:26.639 It's still early days. 233 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.720 Yeah, give them time. The time, they'll figure out what 234 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:31.200 you want, what you don't want well. 235 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.679 And also part of it was eventually gets so busy 236 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.200 that they're filtering for their own benefit because it's just 237 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.240 the amount of traffic they got to push right right. 238 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.080 They're getting bigger, but they don't have the same crisis 239 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:42.600 as some of these larger sites. 240 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.600 I do read Canadian news too, which is interesting. Everybody 241 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:47.000 apologizing to each other. 242 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.159 We're having adventures at the moment, you know, about as 243 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.799 interesting as Canadian politics gets. 244 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.360 Okay, Rob, Before we formally read your bio, I just 245 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.159 wanted to mention that what we've been doing lately is 246 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.320 highlighting things that happened in the year that is the 247 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.840 same as the episode number of Dot in Rocks. So 248 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.559 this is episode nineteen thirty three, and of course a 249 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.679 lot of things are happening in this time in history, 250 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:19.039 most importantly being the Great Depression by far the Great Depression. 251 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.679 Franklin D. Roosevelt is inaugurated as thirty second President of 252 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.960 the United States on March four. 253 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.120 They also he has an attempt on his life too. 254 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:30.799 Oh yeah, yeah, it was an assassination and killed the 255 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.879 mayor of Chicago in the incidive. 256 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.799 Was he the one that somebody shot him at point 257 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.159 blank and he survived? At or Eddie Roosevelt the other Roosevelt, 258 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:40.919 the other Roosevelt. 259 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.200 Yeah. I think the other Roosevelt shot himself as part 260 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:47.159 of his mourning eublutions because he was essentially indestructible, right, Yeah, 261 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.759 he was fully teddy Roosevelt. Different kind of creature. 262 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:55.240 Yeah. Additionally, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany on 263 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.960 January thirtieth, marking a pivotal moment in history. 264 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.799 Yeah, that's a big one. 265 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.440 Oh yeah, great depression rise of Hitler. 266 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:03.440 Yeah, all happening. 267 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:05.039 Stay tuned for next episode. 268 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.159 Let me throw one in that you'll like, okay, which 269 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.919 is nineteen thirty three is the year that Alan Blumlin 270 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.879 at EMI, the British recording studio, first demonstrated stereophonic sound 271 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:22.840 using records. So that's the combination of the duel recording 272 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.000 the etching tools. Like they've been working on it for 273 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.039 a while, but it all came together in thirty three 274 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:29.399 to make the first stereo record. 275 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.600 You know, one thing I've noticed, maybe Rob you have two. 276 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.639 But since becoming more of a global citizen, you know, 277 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.600 traveling a lot and meeting people outside the United States, 278 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.039 I have learned that there's a lot of mythology in 279 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.320 the United States around Oh, we invented everything here, and 280 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.559 it's just not true. 281 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:49.879 You know. 282 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.080 The funny thing is every country you go to, there's 283 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.639 another person with the mythology of their country inventing every Yeah. 284 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.960 I think the first automobile was invented in the UK 285 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.679 before Henry for Henry Ford. Just Harry Ford made the 286 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.120 mad viction line production line. Yeah, which is really important. 287 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.960 He made the He made the car available to regular 288 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.399 people like his whole he said. His stated goal was 289 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:14.320 I want my factory workers to be able to buy 290 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.519 a car. Yep. Before that cars were expensive playthings. 291 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:20.039 Right. One of the places I went that kind of 292 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.679 brings that home to you as an American, Uh, that 293 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:24.480 you know you're not the center of the world. Is 294 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.240 if you go to Australia, they will they will correct 295 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.000 you right quick. Yep. 296 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:31.519 Yeah, they're very sure that the center of the world 297 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.840 very anyway. 298 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.080 It's fascinating stuff, all right. So that was Rob Connery. 299 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.759 He works at Microsoft with the Visual Studio Code team, 300 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.320 creating content for YouTube, as well as contributing to open 301 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:49.960 source projects. Rob is also the author of The Impostor's Handbook, 302 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.519 The Impostor's Roadmap, and A Curious Moon, which is one 303 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.519 of Richard's favorite books because of the ending, which we 304 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.879 will not tell you what it is right now because 305 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.360 we have more respect for you than that. But you know, 306 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.480 if you've been around through the whole asp Net and NBC. 307 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:09.919 Era, you know who Rob is. 308 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.440 He was right there when all of that stuff was happening. 309 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.399 And yeah, that is not in his bio because he's 310 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.039 doing more current things now. 311 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.759 Damn. So welcome Rob, Oh, thank you, thanks for having me. 312 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.440 We only get to have a member of Scott Guthrie's 313 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.679 Ninja Army on everything. It's a rare thing. Really, Yes, 314 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:32.000 you gotta space us out. You know, there's four faces 315 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:36.519 on that cover back in the day, you go, Hanselman 316 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.159 and Phil Hack. Phil Hack and yeah, I think you're 317 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:41.960 the only one that doesn't look like a twelve year old. 318 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:42.360 On that picture. 319 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.840 I'm the only one with the most metahair. 320 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.320 There you go, right, No, So what are you working 321 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:51.320 on these days? 322 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:51.840 My friend? 323 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.039 Well, about I want to say, eight months ago, I 324 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.559 changed teams at Microsoft. I'm still I'm still in the 325 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.000 advocacy stuff. They changed teams at Microsoft to go help 326 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:05.000 the VS code team and working with Burke Holland and 327 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:10.759 Olivia Gazardo and Rentald Doolf. And yeah we do. We 328 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.000 do YouTube videos and all kinds of content, but we 329 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.120 also build things, which is fun. So you know, it's funny. 330 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.159 You know, friends give me a hard time about, oh, 331 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.879 developer relations, what do you actually do and blah blah blah. 332 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.120 And it's surprising the amount of work that goes into 333 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.000 this job especially I would say about seventy five percent 334 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.080 of what I do is internally focused. So you know, 335 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.399 I'll test. Just the last week I banging on our 336 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.639 free tier offering for co Pilot which just came out. 337 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.919 Banging on that and also writing extensions and testing out 338 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.200 different frameworks. It's pretty fun. I enjoy it. It's kind 339 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.679 of like you're a test pilot in a way. So yeah, 340 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:47.799 that's what I've been doing. 341 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.039 That's really cool. 342 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.879 So it's just like unshipped bits you're taking out for 343 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.679 a spin and sort of seeing what you could make 344 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:54.600 with them at the time. 345 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.600 Sort of yeah, they'll come up with a well, they'll 346 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.360 come up with like an internal API. This is one 347 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.000 of the first things I did when I joined the 348 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.160 team is they had an API for extending Copilot and 349 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.039 they said, well, we need to have an extension made 350 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.480 and see if it actually works. And so I said, okay, great, 351 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.960 and I had this idea of you know, what happens 352 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.160 if Copilot became aware of your database, and so I 353 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.960 made this extension that would introspect if you gave it 354 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.720 a connection strain and permission. Of course, it goes into 355 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.799 postgress and runs a bunch of queries to know what 356 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.359 your tables and your schema looks like. And then you 357 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.319 can ask Copilot to do all kinds of things, which 358 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.920 one of the things I had to do was created 359 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.519 an entire entity framework model set for me, which was 360 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:39.119 pretty neat. And you know, it's amazing how thorough Copilot 361 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.599 can be if you give it access to a schema 362 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.640 or even just upload a SQL files and that's what 363 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:44.000 it can do. 364 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.880 Well, you couldn't have a WHAMI there if you're taking 365 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.680 a schema file then eventually turning it into a rag right, like, 366 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.400 here's your data set to understand. You'll get it pretty 367 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.880 much just by giving a connection strain off of gettings. 368 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:57.559 I like that. 369 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:58.359 It's clever. 370 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:00.519 Yeah, so it's kind of fun. You could talk to 371 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.039 your database and I kind of being me like they 372 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.000 just asked me to do a couple of things. I'm like, oh, no, 373 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.319 we're going to take this thing to the moon. Let's go. 374 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:10.680 We're on the path. You put me on the path. 375 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.200 Now you don't think I'm going to go all the 376 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:12.960 way down the path. 377 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:14.000 There's a scene. 378 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.440 I like the fact that it's smart enough to figure 379 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.200 stuff out like that. You know, if you have a 380 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:23.440 junior developer and you say, you know, hey, go check 381 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.240 out the database, they're like, well, what's the schema in here? 382 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.559 Have the connection string and leave me alone, right. 383 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.160 Get get to it. Get to it? So can we 384 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:33.920 take this thing out for a spin? Where is it? 385 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.599 Yeah? It's the If you go to where is it, 386 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.400 it's on the VS code Extension store And if you 387 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:45.200 look up Postcress participant and what you get with that 388 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.839 is you get an at Postcress I believe, or at 389 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.319 PG it might be the participant in the chat participant 390 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.559 and it looks for it looks for a database connection 391 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:55.839 string in a dot em v file, which we're going 392 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.319 to be talking about in a minute, I guess. But yeah, 393 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.839 it looks for an extension there. Otherwise you can just 394 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.599 add it manually. So yeah, it's pretty fun. 395 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:05.519 That's cool. 396 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.119 There's a scene in a movie I watched on the 397 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.480 plane when they're coming over to coming over to Oregon 398 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.200 where I am right now, and I was watching The 399 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:16.640 First Man, you know, Damian Chazelle movie about Neil Armstrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 400 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:19.920 and there's a scene where the Russians just sent people 401 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.799