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<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Paul Dundas in addition to being a

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<v Speaker 1>golf Mader listener since the beginning. I'm from wothenar And

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<v Speaker 1>in Netherlands and I play at the Boston Artha Golf

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<v Speaker 1>Club Rosenstearin. This is golfmart number.

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<v Speaker 2>Four hundred and ninety one, published on June two, twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our

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<v Speaker 3>like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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<v Speaker 4>Is much more in the East, and if you think

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<v Speaker 4>about it, that's the way that golf moved across the

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<v Speaker 4>United States. I mean it started in the East and

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<v Speaker 4>moved west. And so these nine hole courses, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of them, were built in the early days of golf

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<v Speaker 4>and then late eighteen nineties into the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they were updated by better architects along the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Some were expanded into eighteen holes, like Myopia. Some Whitonsville,

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<v Speaker 4>which was built in nineteen sixteen state is that the

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<v Speaker 4>ones up and down the main coast state is nine

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<v Speaker 4>hole golf courses. But I think as golf moves west,

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen holes become standard. And the reason you see nine

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<v Speaker 4>in the Midwest states it's population reason for they have

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<v Speaker 4>enough people to play in it, and the budgets upkeep

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<v Speaker 4>so by the time it gets to California, golf is

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<v Speaker 4>real and golf is eighteen holes, and so you see

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<v Speaker 4>very few. You see Glenn Eagles in southern San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you see Northwood north of California outside of

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<v Speaker 4>the Bohemi Club, but that's too in that entire state

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<v Speaker 4>that I came across, I didn't really have anybody say

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<v Speaker 4>to me, you know, you missed this. In California. The

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<v Speaker 4>bulk of the good nine old golf courses are in

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<v Speaker 4>the east.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine hole courses are not a joke. They're really awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is author of To the Nine's Anthony Poppy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Golf Smarter Premium.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Anthony.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey for how are you doing, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a while, has it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, it's been a long time. You were one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first guests. You were on episode number fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>We're approaching episode number five hundred now, and you were

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<v Speaker 2>back in December of two thousand and six, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was almost our one year anniversary at that point, actually

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<v Speaker 2>is one short of our one year anniversary, and at

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<v Speaker 2>the time your book came out, why don't you hold

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<v Speaker 2>up the new version? And to let everybody who's listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the podcast know, we are broadcasting this interview as

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<v Speaker 2>well on Periscope. It's being done live, a live video

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<v Speaker 2>feed of Anthony, who's actually on Skype and I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at him through my phone on periscope.

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<v Speaker 4>Your technology is beautiful, and you're in California and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in West Hartford, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you love the Internet? I do too, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So for those of you who are not on Periscope,

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<v Speaker 2>we are at golf Smarter. You can follow us on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter as well. And if you are on Periscope and

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<v Speaker 2>you have a question for Anthony while we're going through,

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<v Speaker 2>please submit it. It'll come up on my phone and

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<v Speaker 2>I will be able to hopefully write it down and

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<v Speaker 2>ask that ask that question that you've submitted. So Anthony.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's get to the book all right, originally the

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<v Speaker 2>Book to the Nines with a wonderful forward by Brad Faxon.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you get Brad Faxon to write your forward?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I had known Brad Faxon a little bit at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and he, you know, you hear that he's

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<v Speaker 4>really into golf course architecture, and you know, don't believe

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<v Speaker 4>everything you hear, don't believe everything you read. He really is.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's one of those guys that would drive

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five miles out of his way to go to

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<v Speaker 4>a night old golf course that has one good hole

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<v Speaker 4>on it. He's really that kind of person. And he

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<v Speaker 4>grew up playing essentially, you know, public golf as a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I chatted with him about this and in

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<v Speaker 4>the area where he is and he's from New England

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm from you know, he's from Rhode Island that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm from Massachusetts and on living Connecticut. Now. He he

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<v Speaker 4>just thought it was such a great idea to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about these you know, legitimately really wonderful golf courses and

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<v Speaker 4>that that people just I think overlook and at times dismiss.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's not that kind of guy. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that he's going to go see a golf

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<v Speaker 4>course and go see a golf hole. You know, that

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<v Speaker 2>So it was very nice of him to write this

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<v Speaker 2>for you. This is yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, well, here's the concept of the book and

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<v Speaker 4>he was like, wow, I've never thought of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>in New England we all grow up playing nine hole

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses. I said, I'd really appreciate if you did this,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said, not a problem, and he did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, amazing. Let's talk about nine hole golf courses are

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<v Speaker 2>not really in great favor these days. Let's go back.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the history of nine hole golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>when they were popped.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I think they were popular right up until

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<v Speaker 4>World War Two. First US Open US AM in our

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<v Speaker 4>Newport country Club was nine holes. I think the last

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<v Speaker 4>US Open played on a night whole golf course was

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<v Speaker 4>It was at Myopia and I want to say nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>ZHO six somewhere around there. And at that time all

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<v Speaker 4>the great architects were building nine hole golf courses. SETH.

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<v Speaker 4>Rayner built a nine hole golf course one that two

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<v Speaker 4>possibly too. I'm just trying to think about got I

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<v Speaker 4>think two. Donald Ross built a number of them. Alistair

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<v Speaker 4>McKenzie built them. And what it was is in a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of situations, it was It's what my friend Bob

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<v Speaker 4>labanster since past, who wrote the chapter on Maine and

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<v Speaker 4>since passed away, talked about is they were referred to.

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<v Speaker 4>We referred to them as village courses. That people who

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<v Speaker 4>summered in these small towns, one who wanted to sail,

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<v Speaker 4>who wanted to ride horses, who wanted to swim, who

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to play tennis, wanted a good nine hole golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>So they brought in and nine holes because it was

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<v Speaker 4>part of what they were doing for the summer activities.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't just dedicated to They weren't just dedicated to golf.

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<v Speaker 4>So Wayne Styles and Donald Ross and Walter Travis and

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<v Speaker 4>people like that designed nine hole golf courses and nobody

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<v Speaker 4>ever thought of them as not a real golf course

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<v Speaker 4>or a little golf course. I don't like that phrase.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a little golf course. It's a nine hole golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a little golf course. And those guys built them,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the Bohemian Club in Northern California, had a

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<v Speaker 4>nine hole Alistair Rickenzie golf course built for them. They

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<v Speaker 4>didn't considered it a little golf course. They considered it

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<v Speaker 4>a nine hole golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the little term is probably because of

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<v Speaker 2>executive golf courses, right, these little par three courses.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and executive courses. And so I didn't realize because

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<v Speaker 4>I used to say the phrase, it actually has become

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<v Speaker 4>it fuses people because I've got one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>frequent questions I get about this book is are you

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<v Speaker 4>talking about executive courses? Are you talking about par three courses?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, no, I'm talking about nine hole golf courses.

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<v Speaker 4>And there seems to be this kind of confusion over that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And it's amazing because I think, and it

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<v Speaker 4>still holds true, there's eight states that have more nine

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<v Speaker 4>hole golf courses than eighteen whole golf courses. The only

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<v Speaker 4>one east of the Mississippi is Maine. But a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the Upper Midwest courses, I mean Upper Midwest states

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<v Speaker 4>have nine whole golf courses because there's not enough people

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<v Speaker 4>to support an eighteen whole public golf course or an

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen hole and another eighteen hole, So there's nine whole

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses all through the Dakotas and Wyoming and Montana

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<v Speaker 4>and places like that, and so I don't think any

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<v Speaker 4>of those people consider them, you know, little golf courses.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they consider them their golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that those the states that have more

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<v Speaker 2>nine hole courses than eighteen whole courses, you think that

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<v Speaker 2>has anything to do with farm country in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that people don't have as much free time because they're working.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm making yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just the the the small amount of

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<v Speaker 4>people that live in an area. You know that if

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<v Speaker 4>you have one hundred square miles and there's not that

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<v Speaker 4>many people, I don't think they can afford the upkeep

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<v Speaker 4>of an eighteen old golf course, or there's enough people

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<v Speaker 4>to play in a to play in a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to play an eighteen whole golf course, that makes it worthwhile.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it should be a thousand square miles, not

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred square miles. A thousand square miles where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's just you go through and there's these these these

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<v Speaker 4>nine hole golf courses kind of dotting the countryside. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you just drive up and people are playing and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not a it's not a social place. It's a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not someplace you hang out and eat and drink

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<v Speaker 4>after you play. You you play golf and then you

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<v Speaker 4>go on. It's just it's it's really much the way

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<v Speaker 4>golf started. The golf course is just about golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to let at golf trips know that

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<v Speaker 2>he's watching on periscope, and he has submitted a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting questions. I will get to those when we

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<v Speaker 2>get to that part of the conversation. So thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>the questions. And again, anybody on periscope is watching. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to submit a question, I will try to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to Anthony and right down the question at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time.

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So these nine whole courses, they've got par three's, par four,

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<v Speaker 2>par five. How do they break them out? They've got

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<v Speaker 2>long hole short holes. It's the real deal. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>not eighteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Right exactly, it's the real deal. Some of them do.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is rare is that some of them will

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<v Speaker 4>actually set up different ts. Not just so if the

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<v Speaker 4>second time you play it the yardage is different, but

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<v Speaker 4>that angles are different. But they're true golf courses. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean it's you go out and you golf, you ball.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>A few years ago, the USGA made it so you

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<v Speaker 4>can now enter a nine hole school or for your handicap,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, with your gin. And the USGA, which is

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<v Speaker 4>now has this play nine initiative, is helping to leg

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<v Speaker 4>once again legitimize nine hole golf courses. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 4>the real deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it will be accepted by players? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think people will think it's just nine holes? I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go out and play a full a dean

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And I understand that if somebody plays a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of golf, playing the same nine holes over and over

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<v Speaker 4>and over. But you know, for for people, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>really a golfer and you truly enjoy golf and golf courses,

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<v Speaker 4>then then dismissing I think dismissing a nine hole golf

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<v Speaker 4>course is kind of like dismissing a diner because you

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<v Speaker 4>don't think there's going to be good food there, or

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<v Speaker 4>you don't or you're you know, you're looking for whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, hot cuisine you want, and to just not

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<v Speaker 4>go to a five star restaurant every time if you're

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<v Speaker 4>a true lover of food, doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the retro reference on that being a diner

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<v Speaker 2>being you know you, You wouldn't be a diner. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go there. I need but I need

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<v Speaker 2>a real restaurant like Denny's.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know you'. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting reference too, because so much of golf now,

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<v Speaker 4>or so much of it after World War Two, was

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<v Speaker 4>require strategy that it did become Denny's. You know, since

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<v Speaker 4>Pete Dye in the late eighties when he brought strategy

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<v Speaker 4>back to golf, it's gotten much better. And what all

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<v Speaker 4>but two of these golf courses in my book are

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<v Speaker 4>classic era golf courses before before nineteen sixty, and they

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<v Speaker 4>all have, you know, some very cool hole, some wonderful strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to go there and just hit it.

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<v Speaker 4>Hitting it straight at every hole is not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be off. The t is not going to be the answer,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what makes it fun. The course on the cover,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the second hole at Fenwork in old Saybrook, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's one hundred and ninety five yard part three,

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<v Speaker 4>and the flag is actually blowing. So that's the left bunker.

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<v Speaker 4>You're looking at the whole place, the whole place from

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<v Speaker 4>your right, as far as the way we're looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, show us the cover again.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so let me get this right. So you're playing

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<v Speaker 4>from this direction. But that's the ocean right there. That's

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<v Speaker 4>Long Island Sound, and right over here is the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're move moving a little more there a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit right there in front of you would be oh,

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<v Speaker 2>is that right?

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<v Speaker 4>And so she grew up playing fenwork. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and ninety five yard hole and you if

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<v Speaker 4>you want, you can fly it to the green and

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<v Speaker 4>the wind, the prevailing wind is the way the flag

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<v Speaker 4>is blowing. There. That's Long Island Sound, and you see.

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<v Speaker 4>And the play is to play the ball out to

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<v Speaker 4>the right and let the wind bring it back. But

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<v Speaker 4>the real play is to play it low. Is to

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<v Speaker 4>play a pure link style golf shop because this is

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<v Speaker 4>a course with no fairy irrigation. And if you know

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<v Speaker 4>the course, there's a kick slope about twenty yards short

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<v Speaker 4>of the green, and all you need to do is

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<v Speaker 4>flight something about one hundred and sixty five hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>sixty yards and it will run onto the green underneath

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<v Speaker 4>the win.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a hell of a lot of strategy for one

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<v Speaker 2>golf that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's one wind, and the wind swirls and the

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<v Speaker 4>wind changes and all of that. So people who come

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<v Speaker 4>to me and say, you know, Fenwick really isn't that

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<v Speaker 4>much of a golf course. It's twenty five hundred yards

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<v Speaker 4>at par thirty five. My question is, I say to them,

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<v Speaker 4>We'll go play and come back and tell me what

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<v Speaker 4>you shot. Let me know if you shot below par,

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<v Speaker 4>let me know if you if you shot below your handicap,

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<v Speaker 4>tell me what you played. And nobody ever comes back

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<v Speaker 4>and says, no, I was right. I killed this golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love when people say I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>play the front tees. I don't want to play that course.

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<v Speaker 2>It's boring. I don't want to play the front tease.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not long enough. It's like, oh, are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot par?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, then shut up.

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<v Speaker 4>Rory McIlroy's hitting driver at and the Masters players are

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<v Speaker 4>hitting drivers six iron into par fives. That's us playing

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<v Speaker 4>a fifty eight hundred yard golf course to do the

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<v Speaker 4>same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible. There are resort courses. I'm seeing more and more

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<v Speaker 2>that have three sets of nine and they're like on

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<v Speaker 2>Mondays you'll play nine A and nine C, and on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday you'll play nine B and nine A and once.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so if you're staying at a resort, you

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<v Speaker 2>can play every day, but have different combinations in different courses.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're completely different courses too, right, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>does that count for nine hole courses or no?

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't for me because that was built as twenty

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<v Speaker 4>seven you know, if you like, I consider the front

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<v Speaker 4>nine at Rolling Rock, which is Rolling Our Club now

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<v Speaker 4>an eighteen old golf course. It's in the book because

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<v Speaker 4>it was built by Donald Ross's as a nine hole

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<v Speaker 4>golf course. And so my whole discussion is about the

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<v Speaker 4>front nine of that golf course. But if you build

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<v Speaker 4>it like that, that's just a twenty seven hole golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess so that makes sense. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know if you can get a nine hole rate

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<v Speaker 2>at those courses. It's like you just want to say, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to play nine today because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to play first thing in the morning. Then I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go be with my family all day. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to t off at eight and miss lunch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well it's you know around here. In fact, in

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<v Speaker 4>West Hartford there's two twenty seven whole private courses and

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<v Speaker 4>they're setup for the membership is you know, like the

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<v Speaker 4>Red White and Blue nine. So if you play Red

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<v Speaker 4>and White as the eighteen whole course, blue is a

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<v Speaker 4>nine hole course for the day. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>fantastic because that's where people go and get a quick

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<v Speaker 4>nine in, that's where people go and play with their kids.

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<v Speaker 4>That's where people go who are learning the game. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really cool because you're not in anybody's way and you're

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<v Speaker 4>still on a golf course, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>And you're still at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Club exactly exactly. Actually, that's one of the questions that

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<v Speaker 2>at Golf Trips asked on the periscope was about different

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<v Speaker 2>color flags.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh for what on.

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<v Speaker 2>You can recognize which course you're playing if it's got

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<v Speaker 2>multiple lines on there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess I'm trying to think. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 4>there might be situations where you need to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>you're walking to the right tee on the right nine

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<v Speaker 4>and playing to the right green and all that. And

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<v Speaker 4>the two courses here they just have the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the if they're private, so you know where you're going.

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<v Speaker 4>But I could see that being a heck of a

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<v Speaker 4>problem at a resort.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about courses again, if I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Trip's question about holes with two flags on one green.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I kind of get that. I'm not sure I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a fan of that. If the course is if the

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<v Speaker 4>green is big enough, if we're talking a green that's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, double the average size of a double the

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<v Speaker 4>size of an average green, say somewhere in the vicinity

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<v Speaker 4>of ten to twelve thousand square feet. I get that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm not sure I want to. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get involved, make my superintendent have to be doing that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of stuff and putting to different places and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the interesting ones is the Dunes Club out

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<v Speaker 4>in Michigan. Mike Kieser, the guy who started banding Dunes.

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<v Speaker 4>This was his first course. He has the flags changed.

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<v Speaker 4>He has the flags change once a day at the

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<v Speaker 4>nine hole course. So you played a two, if you

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<v Speaker 4>played twice in a day, you played a two separate

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<v Speaker 4>or two different two gole locations.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's very cool. A couple months ago, I was

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<v Speaker 2>back in visiting a friend in Maui, and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>member of Maui Country Club and it's a nine hole

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<v Speaker 2>track with different tea boxes. You play eighteen holes, but

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<v Speaker 2>you really are playing, you know, and some of the

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<v Speaker 2>tea boxes are in a completely different location. The look

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<v Speaker 2>is different, the feel is different, the bunkering just comes

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<v Speaker 2>into play so differently. I was thinking at first, I'm like, really,

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<v Speaker 2>you pay membership to be on a nine hole course,

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<v Speaker 2>But that after I was like, Okay, I loved that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I wouldn't be surprised if that's if that's

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<v Speaker 4>a trend that we see, because with with land issues

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<v Speaker 4>and cost issues for construction and all of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the cost of adding entirely separates is so much cheaper

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<v Speaker 4>than building another nine holes. I mean, you're not talking

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<v Speaker 4>about changing the whole quarter with of the existing nine

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<v Speaker 4>or the first nine. It's really a way to make

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<v Speaker 4>to make the nine play completely, you know, completely different

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<v Speaker 4>a second time around. And then what you start to

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<v Speaker 4>do is you can then mix and match. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>just because you have a technically a front nine and

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<v Speaker 4>a back nine doesn't mean you have to play it

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<v Speaker 4>that way all the time. You know, you can flip

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<v Speaker 4>your par threes, so you're playing your first nine out

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<v Speaker 4>of you're playing the back nine of one in the

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<v Speaker 4>front nine of another. It actually ends up with a

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<v Speaker 4>whole bunch of, you know, cool scenarios to keep you

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<v Speaker 4>interested in the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>When you mentioned there are eight states that have more

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<v Speaker 2>nine hole courses than eight whole courses, I being a

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast person, I don't see any good nine hole

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see any nine hole courses. I see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of executive courses. I learned how to play on

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<v Speaker 2>a par three and I played it once or twice

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid, and then I never played

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<v Speaker 2>golf again. And then as I started playing as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a nine hole track right down the street

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<v Speaker 2>from me that was an executive It's a par three

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<v Speaker 2>and par four, No par five's on it. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so are does the West Coast? Is it mostly an

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<v Speaker 2>East Coast thing that there are great nine hole tracks

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<v Speaker 2>with par three four, part four and par fives.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's there's much more in the East and I

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<v Speaker 4>and if you think about it, that's the way that

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<v Speaker 4>golf moved across the United States. I mean it started

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<v Speaker 4>in the East and moved west and so these nine

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<v Speaker 4>hole courses, a lot of them were built in the

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<v Speaker 4>early days of golf, and then you know, late eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>not late eighteen nineties, into the early nineteen hundreds, and

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<v Speaker 4>then they were updated by better architects along the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Some were expanded into eighteen holes, like Myopia, some like Whitonsville,

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<v Speaker 4>which was built in which I could nineteen fifteen, nineteen sixteen. State.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the ones up and down the main coast,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, State is nine hole golf courses. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think as so then as golf moves west, eighteen holes

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<v Speaker 4>become standard. And the reason you see nine like we

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<v Speaker 4>talked about in the Midwest States, is that it's a

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<v Speaker 4>population reason for it. You know, it's not that people

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<v Speaker 4>are looking for nine hole. I think it's all that,

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<v Speaker 4>like we said that they can they have enough people

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<v Speaker 4>to play in it and the budget to upkeep. So

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<v Speaker 4>by the time it gets to California, you know, the golf,

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<v Speaker 4>golf is real and golf is eighteen holes, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what a country club is. And so you see very few.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you see Glenn Eagles in San Francis, San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 4>right southern San Francisco, and then you see Northwood, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>north of California outside of the Bohemi Club. But that's

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<v Speaker 4>too in that entire state that I came across. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't really get any after I wrote the first book.

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<v Speaker 4>Had anybody say to me, you know you missed this

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<v Speaker 4>in California. There's a couple I wish I could have

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<v Speaker 4>gotten to and you know, done some more with. Willie

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<v Speaker 4>Nelson owns a nine hole golf course called Pernallis and

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<v Speaker 4>I was never able to line up doing that, but

423
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<v Speaker 4>that would have been a wonderful story. But the bulk

424
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<v Speaker 4>of the bulk of the good golf nine golf courses

425
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<v Speaker 4>are in the East.

426
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<v Speaker 2>At a quick Willie Nelson aside, since I brought up

427
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<v Speaker 2>the Maui Country Club, oh boy, hope, I'm get in

428
00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:46.119
<v Speaker 2>trouble for this one. He he came out to that

429
00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>court course at Mali Country Club and he was asking

430
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<v Speaker 2>there are people allowed to smoke on the course and

431
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<v Speaker 2>they said, well, of course, he goes, no, no, no, man,

432
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<v Speaker 2>can they smoke weed on the course? So they have

433
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<v Speaker 2>the Willie Nelson role at the MOUNTI I didn't say that.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say that, Okay, well, and.

435
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<v Speaker 4>He I think the name of his course is Pern Allison.

436
00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.559
<v Speaker 4>He's famous for the line he who has the fastest

437
00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.359
<v Speaker 4>golf card never has a bad line.

438
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<v Speaker 2>That's a great one.

439
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And one of my friends who actually who co

440
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<v Speaker 4>wrote the book The Towel of Willie with Willie. His

441
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<v Speaker 4>name is Turk Cook and he's a golf writer, talks

442
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<v Speaker 4>about playing in a fourteen some with Willy there because

443
00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.799
<v Speaker 4>it's Willy's golf course. He makes the rules and it

444
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<v Speaker 4>was fourteen people in fourteen golf cards.

445
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<v Speaker 2>That's very funny. It's the golden rule. He who has

446
00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the gold makes the rules.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely absolutely.

448
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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the guy who owns Bandon Dunes. Have you

449
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<v Speaker 2>ever been out there?

450
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.079
<v Speaker 4>I have. I haven't seen Old McDonald, but I played

451
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<v Speaker 4>the other three.

452
00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's he opened a fourth course there.

453
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Old McDonald beat the crud out of me. But they

454
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<v Speaker 2>have one of the most fun nine hole courses I've

455
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<v Speaker 2>ever played. It is a part three. It's an executive style.

456
00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But I had so much I would go back to

457
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Bandon just to play the par three again. It was

458
00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:07.279
<v Speaker 2>that much fun.

459
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, it's cool. The whole concept that he

460
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.519
<v Speaker 4>has out there was great, and that he built something

461
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.759
<v Speaker 4>like that. That par three golf course, I think really

462
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:21.599
<v Speaker 4>indicates that he understands what is what makes golf fun

463
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.319
<v Speaker 4>and how it's not just big eighteen hole flash sand

464
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.960
<v Speaker 4>bunkers and you know that kind of stuff that you

465
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<v Speaker 4>can go play a par three and have a blast,

466
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<v Speaker 4>you know.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, No, all the courses that he's built there

468
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:39.759
<v Speaker 2>are truly done with reverence to the game. There's no

469
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<v Speaker 2>question about it. It's spectacular and band and it again,

470
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:46.359
<v Speaker 2>it was the hardest golf I've ever played in my life,

471
00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and I hated it while I was there, but once

472
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I left and I started looking at the pictures and

473
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it, it was like it was magic.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I argue with you. You know, somebody else by

475
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<v Speaker 4>another place has that concept is the Prairie Club, Nebraska,

476
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 4>which has thirty six holes, but they have the ten

477
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.680
<v Speaker 4>hole horse course and there's ten sets of te's and

478
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 4>ten greens and there's no scorecard and no direction on

479
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.480
<v Speaker 4>how to play it, so you can walk well it's

480
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.519
<v Speaker 4>not even tease. You kind of walk off greens and

481
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 4>hits whichever flag you want, and there's no yardages. And

482
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that I think the longest hole is

483
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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and forty yards and so you just take

484
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:24.279
<v Speaker 4>a handful of clubs and you go out and play.

485
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<v Speaker 4>It's a blast. It's an absolute blast.

486
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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like it was designed by somebody from our

487
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.240
<v Speaker 2>generation who is part of the woodstock generation, who had

488
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 2>one too many sugar cubes and said, dude, let's play

489
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<v Speaker 2>some golf.

490
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty cool. And the only thing that's out

491
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<v Speaker 4>there is trash cans. A couple of tresh kids here

492
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 4>in there, because guys, after they've played their thirty six holes,

493
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.200
<v Speaker 4>eat dinner and just walk back outside and play some

494
00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.000
<v Speaker 4>holes and beers on their hands and just drop them

495
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.640
<v Speaker 4>in the drop them in the cans and just in

496
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.440
<v Speaker 4>the bins and just keep playing. And you can play,

497
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:54.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, play until ten o'clock at night during the summer.

498
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 4>So it's really really a lot of fun.

499
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>That may have that may have been the birth of

500
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>disc golf. Those trash cans. That's the next book. That's

501
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the next book. There are some very famous nine hole tracks.

502
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>We talk about Bandon Dune's Olympic Club in San Francisco. Again,

503
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's an executive nine holer. Augusta on Wednesday,

504
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Par three. There isn't that interesting. So they're not that famous, uh,

505
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:31.440
<v Speaker 2>nine hole tracks, they're just little executive courses that are cute.

506
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean Augusta's Augusta and Pine Valley which is

507
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 4>ten holes. They don't even have part fours. Those are

508
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.240
<v Speaker 4>just straight par three's interesting. Yeah, kind of like the uh,

509
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.160
<v Speaker 4>the little course in front of the Turnbury Hotel, which

510
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 4>I think is twelve holes. Those are all par three's. Wow.

511
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Architects who've been involved in the design of nine hole

512
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<v Speaker 2>courses some pretty famous names that we're doing some great

513
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<v Speaker 2>work on nine hole tracks. Give us a little background

514
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>on that too.

515
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Donald Rossa did something in Kinetic excuse me in Massachusetts,

516
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.599
<v Speaker 4>and it's interesting that in two the best I think

517
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 4>where's now the best hole golf nine hole golf course

518
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 4>in the United States is Whitensville, which is a Whitensville,

519
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.000
<v Speaker 4>mass which was the Witton family and the Witton family

520
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 4>owned this big mill and they built a golf course

521
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 4>for their employees and they brought Ross in and ross

522
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 4>did a great job. They had the plans. The ninth

523
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 4>hole is and I talked about this in the book.

524
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.480
<v Speaker 4>The ninth hole is one of Ben Crenshaw's favorite par

525
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 4>fours in the world. It's really an astoundingly cool part.

526
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Four down the road from that, twenty miles is where

527
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.799
<v Speaker 4>I grew up in a town called Southbridge, and we

528
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 4>used to have the American Optical Company, which is the

529
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.400
<v Speaker 4>largest manufacturer of eyeglasses in the world, and the Wells

530
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 4>family built a nine hole golf course. Just like in Whitonsville,

531
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 4>they had Ross come in. It was built for them

532
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.319
<v Speaker 4>originally that then became a country club, but not in

533
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 4>the way that we think about a country club. It

534
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 4>was very much a blue collar country club. It was

535
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 4>for the mill workers and and there are people that

536
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 4>could afford to play golf, and so Ross did things

537
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 4>like that very very often. Where where it was it

538
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 4>was built, it was built for a specific family, a

539
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 4>wealthy family that you know, there's there's a Ross course

540
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 4>in I'm just trying to think Petersham, Massachusetts. He built

541
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 4>that for I think that was Pittsburgh Steel summertime steel money,

542
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 4>so they wanted and they wanted a nine hole golf course.

543
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 4>So Ross Ross did a lot of them, I would

544
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 4>get I would think that Ross did more for whatever reason.

545
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.720
<v Speaker 4>It may be his New England roots did more than

546
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 4>anybody of the classic care.

547
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Architects, but he wasn't the only one. I mean, I

548
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 2>saw another very classic name in your list while I

549
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>was reading the book again, Mackenzie. What's that, Alistair Mackenzie.

550
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 4>Mackenzie. Mackenzie built this this nine holes at Northwood, uh,

551
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, north of San Francisco. That's just astounding is

552
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 4>Ben's changes in the golf course. One because the Russian

553
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.839
<v Speaker 4>River wiped away a green and they had to sense

554
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 4>during a flood, they had to move a tee for

555
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 4>safety reasons. But you just get out there, and he

556
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 4>didn't mail this one in. I mean, this is a

557
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 4>real golf course and he's got some strategy and some

558
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 4>options and deception going on out there. That's just amazing.

559
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.400
<v Speaker 4>And it's carved through a redwood forest. And for somebody

560
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 4>like me who's from New England, to be playing golf

561
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 4>in a redwood forest in itself is just an amazing experience.

562
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 4>But to be playing a Mackenzie course at the same time,

563
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 4>it's just over the top.

564
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're gonna have to let me know when you

565
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 2>come back out and visit, and we'll take a tour together,

566
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>because I seem to be playing along tall trees all

567
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the time. All right, all right, yeah, And what's really

568
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>interesting because of the drought situation here now the Russian

569
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>River is going dry. It is, yeah, so they're not

570
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna be wiping away any floo, any greens, but but

571
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the Russian River when we do have lots of rain,

572
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>the Russian River wipes out towns, right it overflows.

573
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 4>And the cool thing about Northward for me is that

574
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's it's above the vineyards, it's you know,

575
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 4>north of the vineyards and all that. And you get

576
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 4>up there and you think to yourself, like what am

577
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 4>I going to do? And there's and there's a little

578
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 4>motel right there, and so you can bop around that

579
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 4>area and see what's going on, and there's some cool

580
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 4>nature thing. But here's this Alistair McKenzie night whole golf

581
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.839
<v Speaker 4>course that's incredibly affordable and you're literally a four minute

582
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 4>walk from the first t That's amazing. Yeah, that's fun.

583
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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So your book came out originally in two thousand

584
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 2>and six, which is when we did the first interview,

585
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>and the reason you've come back now is because you've

586
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>got a new chapter, just the one or there's there's

587
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a new edition of the book. Congratulations, right and why.

588
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 4>Well what happened was is that I was about a

589
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 4>year ago, I was approached by people from the publishing

590
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 4>house Roman and Littlefield.

591
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

592
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 4>One of the guys involved with the company had read

593
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the book spend some time every year and I'll say

594
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 4>Brook knows Fenwick, loves the Nighthole golf course at Fenwick,

595
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 4>and asked me if I would be interested in them

596
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 4>the book's been out of Princeton's twenty ten, I believe,

597
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 4>asked if I would be interested in the book coming

598
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 4>in them and them reprinting the book. And that's you know,

599
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 4>that's the dumbest question I've had asked me in the

600
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 4>last year. Absolutely, you know, let's do this again. And

601
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 4>I said, there's this new there's this course that just

602
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.920
<v Speaker 4>opened in uh are about to open in Tennessee. It's

603
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 4>the only one that's opened since the a note that's

604
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 4>opened since the book came out. And I'd like to

605
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 4>add that course. And they said, you can do whatever

606
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 4>you want. Uh, we want you to update the chapters

607
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 4>that the existing chapters and we and we'd love you

608
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 4>to do that. So I went out to Swanee in

609
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 4>South Pittsburgh, Tennessee, near Chattanooga. And that's the new chapter.

610
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<v Speaker 4>And the course opened in October to rave reviews and

611
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 4>continues to get ray reviews.

612
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

613
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 4>I think it's the best. I think it's the best

614
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 4>nine to hold golf course built since since the end

615
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 4>of World War Two. I think it's better than the

616
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 4>Dunes Club.

617
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

618
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 4>Why it's really really, really amazing.

619
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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think it's so great?

620
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 4>Well, it has an immense amount of strategy to it.

621
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 4>Rob Collins and Tad King who designed it. It's Rob

622
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 4>Collins or the architect. He partners with Tad King who's

623
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 4>the construction superintendent and the shaper. And their whole concept

624
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 4>was really what Augusta National concept was, which is now gone.

625
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 4>But the kind of the Inland Links course, very very

626
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>wide fairways, no rough. Anybody can play the golf course.

627
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 4>Most of the greens are open in front, so you

628
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 4>can bounce the ball onto the green. But there's specific

629
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 4>strategy to every hole. So when a when a whole,

630
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 4>when a whole quarter is eighty five yards wide, you

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<v Speaker 4>can you still have to come in from a correct side.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's really really fun. The greens have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of movement in and but they're big, so they're

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<v Speaker 4>not lacky, you know what I mean. You have some

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<v Speaker 4>big sweeping putts, but the cupable areas are very sublime.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of fun, a lot a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the future of nine hole courses? Because

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00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 2>the United States, there are no new courses being built.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no money going to it's all going into China.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like there hasn't been a new course. And

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<v Speaker 2>some people blame the tiger effect on this, but there's not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of construction being done. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>also because of the classic complaints. It takes too long,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too hard, it's too expensive. People's lives are so

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much going on in everybody's lives, they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have time for a full eighteen holes. Nine holes

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be the perfect you know, resolution for this,

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the right word? Resolution?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And I mean, like I would love to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go out to my favorite course and say

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to play nine today and say I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that after eight thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Another way, I would love to see it is break

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<v Speaker 2>it up into six, twelve or eighteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, they do that to you that you can't play nine. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently I said do you have a nine hole rate?

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<v Speaker 2>And they said not eight after eight thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>That's interesting because that's the usg HIT now has come

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<v Speaker 4>out with this play nine initiative, and it's multifaceted. The

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<v Speaker 4>idea is to get people back to golf to golf.

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<v Speaker 4>They're letting people know that you can submit a nine

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<v Speaker 4>old round as partry a handicap. You can go on

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<v Speaker 4>the website and find nine hole golf courses, but you

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<v Speaker 4>can also go to the web and find go to

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<v Speaker 4>the website and find eighteen hole or golf facilities that

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<v Speaker 4>are nine hole friendly. You know, all the nine hole

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen hole golf courses in my area that are public

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<v Speaker 4>are nine hole friendly. You can play nine holes. They're

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<v Speaker 4>also encouraging people to go and practice, to go and

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<v Speaker 4>chip and pod to go or the range to have fun.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think I think you're going to see the

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<v Speaker 4>end of excluding nine hole play pretty soon. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that doesn't make any sense from a business model

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<v Speaker 4>standpoint to me. And I think you know, we're in

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<v Speaker 4>a downturn for golf for whatever reason. It may just

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<v Speaker 4>be cyclical, but I see nine holes rounds and rounds,

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<v Speaker 4>and I guess that the realization that nine hole golf

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<v Speaker 4>courses are out there, you know, becoming more as time

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<v Speaker 4>goes on. And I hope that that's true, because there's

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<v Speaker 4>some really good golf courses that are being overlooked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know, for me what would be awesome

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<v Speaker 2>is because I usually I like to play later in

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon, so I play a lot more when it's

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<v Speaker 2>daylight savings time. So when it's not daylight savings time,

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to go out at two o'clock, I

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<v Speaker 2>can only get nine holes in any way, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a municipal golf course in the top next

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<v Speaker 4>to me, Meriton, and they usually have very busy play

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<v Speaker 4>in the morning, so they would do it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a double crossover started both teas one and ten crosses

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<v Speaker 4>over the course is full. When the course opens up again,

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<v Speaker 4>they dedicate one T to eighteen and one T to

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<v Speaker 4>nine And that's really cool. If you pitch your nine

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<v Speaker 4>hole early afternoon play out there and they're done in

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<v Speaker 4>two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I would love to get a quick tip

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<v Speaker 2>from you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I've given this tip to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>that come back to me and told me it was

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<v Speaker 4>spot on. Go find a nine hole golf course that

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<v Speaker 4>you've overlooked, that people have told you isn't worth playing,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't a true golf course, isn't a real golf course,

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<v Speaker 4>and go play. You're going to be pleasantly surprised.