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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Midnight Viewing the Horror anthology podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Father Malone and this is a brand new season, a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new hosting configuration. It's a brand new Cherry Flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Mike? What's that? Cherry?

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<v Speaker 1>Brand new Cherry Flavor was a TV series on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>Was interesting, quirky in the best kind of a way.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, we have covered Night Gallery, We've covered Tales

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<v Speaker 1>from the Dark Side in Another life, we covered Twilight

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<v Speaker 1>Zone eighty five, and we're back to do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's we glad you asked? Joining me to discuss all

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<v Speaker 1>things televisual from our friends across the pond is the

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<v Speaker 1>projection Booths.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike white oudy, Hey, thanks so much for having me

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<v Speaker 3>follow alone.

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<v Speaker 1>My pleasure and the show we're discussing. That program, as

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<v Speaker 1>they would say, is the one season killer.

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<v Speaker 2>This was on Teams series.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our series one.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically we're going to get into britishisms, we might as

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<v Speaker 3>well go as series.

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<v Speaker 1>This indeed a show that asks the question. This was

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<v Speaker 1>on TV in nineteen eighty and we are discussing from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty. Hammer House of Horror now Hammer Films, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>founded back in nineteen thirty four by William Hines and

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<v Speaker 1>James Carreras. That company mainly released comedies and swashbucklers, and

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<v Speaker 1>a few crime flicks until about nineteen fifty eight. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when the company would gain its notoriety as the UK's

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<v Speaker 1>premier interpreter of classic horror when it released The Curse

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<v Speaker 1>of Frankenstein, starring Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. Now, for

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<v Speaker 1>the next twenty years, Hammer would be synonymous with lurid,

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<v Speaker 1>gory and suggestive horror. But by nineteen eighty the wheels

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<v Speaker 1>had come off this particularly gruesome cart and Hammer was

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to simply maintain its glory, never mind restore it.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter Roy Skegg should I say re enter Roy Skegg's

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<v Speaker 1>He had been a former production supervisor until he left

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<v Speaker 1>the company in seventy four to start his own film house.

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<v Speaker 1>When Hammer went into receivership in nineteen seventy eight, he

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<v Speaker 1>was asked back by the board of directors to take

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<v Speaker 1>over creatively, and his first act was to move the

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<v Speaker 1>productions away from Victorian subject matter and instead modernize and,

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<v Speaker 1>if at all possible, anthologize. Thus we have Hammer's second

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<v Speaker 1>foray into television. Hammer House of Horror now Hammer. House

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<v Speaker 1>of Horror premiered on August twenty eighth, nineteen eighty. That

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<v Speaker 1>was here in the US. This episode is called Witching Time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is season one, episode one, written by Anthony Reid,

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Don Lever. He was a TV veteran, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>having directed a bunch of anthology series in England, including

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<v Speaker 1>two shows called Scorpion Tales and Thriller She's Gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to look into those. This one stars John Finch, Mister Macbeth,

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Quinn. If you're listening to the show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell you, Patricia Quinn, is you should stop

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this show. It also starts Prunella g who

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<v Speaker 1>she was in Never Say Never Again and Ian McCulloch.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring on the dancing horses, Rocky and McCulloch, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about a witch from the seventeenth century who

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<v Speaker 1>returns to her ancestral home with thoughts of vengeance and

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<v Speaker 1>possession toward its current inhabitants. A successful actress and her

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<v Speaker 1>mentally fragile composer husband are the ones in her sights.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this all might be in his mind. Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think of our first Hammer Horror.

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<v Speaker 2>They let that on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, I was pretty happy. Being a big fan

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<v Speaker 3>of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. This was the side

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<v Speaker 3>of Patricia Quinn that I've never seen before, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was pretty happy about that. But more over, what

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<v Speaker 3>a quality cast. This cast is amazing. I love John Finch,

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<v Speaker 3>I love Patricia Quinn. I'm kind of curious if Susan

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<v Speaker 3>George was supposed to be in this because isn't that

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<v Speaker 3>her photo that is in the episode. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we're supposed to think that that's the wife, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not her, right, that's no. Yeah, okay, I was very

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<v Speaker 3>confused by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise, I mean, the story is such that it it

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<v Speaker 3>feels a little it reminds me of like when I

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<v Speaker 3>show on Nickelodeon where it was about, like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>But I was really hoping for more.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted more of a plan or a plot or something,

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<v Speaker 3>because she just seems so I don't know, just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of well corny and nothing wrong with that, and then

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<v Speaker 3>just mischievous. I was like, oh okay, and of course,

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<v Speaker 3>like things get pretty heated haha towards the end. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was hoping for a little bit more to this story.

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<v Speaker 3>But again I was just so impressed by the cast

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<v Speaker 3>and just more John Findle that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we just spent the better part of a year

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<v Speaker 1>toiling and Tales from the Dark Side, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>I love Tales from the Dark Side, do love Taless

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark Side. But going back several years now

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<v Speaker 1>from that, because this is nineteen eighty, would you not

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<v Speaker 1>agree that the writing, even as a little dialogue and

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<v Speaker 1>this little characterization as we're given here, just the level

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<v Speaker 1>has come up remarkably right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is movie quality. I was surprised at just

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<v Speaker 3>how well, first off, how good it looks. The cinematography

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<v Speaker 3>on this is wonderful. Yes, the writing is fantastic. Had

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<v Speaker 3>they tacked on another what ten fifteen minutes, it would

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<v Speaker 3>have been a feature length movie. It was just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of blown away by that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels very adult, It feels very mature, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's delving even like further into the more lurid

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<v Speaker 1>depths of what horror can offer, including the massive amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of nudity. That's what we're talking about. Like this, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say this episode begins. It begins the series extremely

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<v Speaker 1>cleverly in that we're given one of what we expect

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<v Speaker 1>from Hammer, which is a period piece with women and

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<v Speaker 1>bodices and dressing gowns and running through a Victorian mansion

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<v Speaker 1>and getting naked all and being stalked by a killer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then to reveal that's actually just a movie that

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<v Speaker 1>our lead is the composer of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I thought that was beautiful. And it also

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to a brand new segment here on Midnight

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<v Speaker 1>Viewing Mike. This is called was Brian de Palma in

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<v Speaker 1>England in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this opening is very, very blowout, and yeah, just

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<v Speaker 3>to have the composer be our main character, it felt

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<v Speaker 3>a little barbarian sound studio as well for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, very blow out. And then again body double, like

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<v Speaker 1>the let's start with the artifice of it and then

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<v Speaker 1>reveal that this is not this is the creators of

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<v Speaker 1>that thing. So this is even more realistic, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>can believe this even more than the old staid vampires

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<v Speaker 1>and or like slashers.

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<v Speaker 3>I love when they start with this and just pull

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<v Speaker 3>the rug out from under us, especially they're starting with

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of unknown POV which we get through so

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<v Speaker 3>many things, and yeah, that they get up to her

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<v Speaker 3>and I was expecting to your point a really horrible screamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And not only Brian de Palma, but is

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Siegel a fan of this at all? This is

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<v Speaker 1>about a composer whose actress wife girlfriend is cheating on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does impose a Dracula puppet musical by the end,

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<v Speaker 1>because that would have really would have been perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was really happy with the whole

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<v Speaker 3>idea of him being this composer and seeing some of

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<v Speaker 3>the composition scenes. They didn't go too far into that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, Okay, this is nice. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>nice way to set up this whole thing. I really

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<v Speaker 3>like how we immediately get the idea of her cheating

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<v Speaker 3>on him, and him pretty much. I think he knows

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<v Speaker 3>that he's being cutcolded.

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<v Speaker 1>He's yeah, I mean, his first conversation is she's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>cheating on me. Oh, but yeah, you know, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>He's on so many pills and he's been drinking so heavily,

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<v Speaker 1>which John Finch, yeah, right, art imitating life. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what I really liked about that was it set up

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of possibility of disbelief here, like that the

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<v Speaker 1>witch might be in his mind, and they go to

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<v Speaker 1>pains to sort of make that a possibility, but it

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<v Speaker 1>very well could have been a possibility, and it crossed

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<v Speaker 1>my mind multiple times during the narrative that they might

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<v Speaker 1>be pulling the wall over our eyes on this, which

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<v Speaker 1>would have been fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and well you mentioned Macbeth, which I know he

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<v Speaker 3>was in, but I was reminded a little bit too

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<v Speaker 3>of Hamlet with this whole idea of the horse going crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's almost like what they not magical realism, but like

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<v Speaker 3>natural realism kind of thing where the animals are reflecting

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<v Speaker 3>what we feel. So you've got the dog who's afraid

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<v Speaker 3>of the storm, and then you've got the horse out

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<v Speaker 3>in the barn, and then the barn becomes this major

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<v Speaker 3>thing where it's like, okay, we need to go out

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<v Speaker 3>there make sure that the horse is okay, and then

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<v Speaker 3>that's where we find Patricia Quinn. So I like that

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<v Speaker 3>whole idea of nature just being a player in this

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<v Speaker 3>as well, this mysterious storm that comes along that it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like he's the only one that witnessed it because

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<v Speaker 3>when his wife's lover, who's also is he a psychiatrist?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he starts to question the whole idea of like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>there really wasn't a storm last night, what's your problem?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the things that tips him off

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<v Speaker 3>to think that our main character is little nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And by the way, that could have also worked

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<v Speaker 1>in the opposite direction. It could have been because that's

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<v Speaker 1>the wife's lover. He's trying to make him go crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've seen that how many times on night Gallery?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gaslight a very intense gaslight with hiring a redhead

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<v Speaker 3>to hang out in the barn.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, my question is during the storm, his dog, Billy

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<v Speaker 1>runs off by the way. At a certain point, he

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<v Speaker 1>calls after the dog and he just says Bill, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, wow, what a great name for dog. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>are we to believe that, because we do not see

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<v Speaker 1>Billy again for the rest of the rest of the story,

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<v Speaker 1>did she become Bill? Did the dog turn into the witch?

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<v Speaker 1>Or And when he finds her, she's basically sort of

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<v Speaker 1>crouched down like a dog. I think he thinks it's

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<v Speaker 1>a dog at first, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he has no idea what she is, that

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<v Speaker 3>she's just black mound.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, I think the possibility exists that dog transmographied into

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Quinn, making it the sexiest dog of what.

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<v Speaker 2>God damn, she's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Good lord. It's not the first time we've seen her naked,

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<v Speaker 1>though she was not. Now for something completely different from

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<v Speaker 1>the Meaning of Life. Meaning of Life, she's doing the

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<v Speaker 1>sex education scene. She's John Cleese's wife comes in to

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've seen that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch again.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Nickelodeon, there was a making of Movies show

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<v Speaker 3>kept playing the same four baby episodes over and over again,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of them was of Life. What a weird

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<v Speaker 3>thing to put on Nickelodeons, the Making of the Meaning

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<v Speaker 3>of Life. That one Dark Crystal. I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 3>other ones. But yeah, that whole thing with the guy

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<v Speaker 3>in bed with his leg missing. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>many times I saw that scene because it was in

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<v Speaker 3>and I just saw over and over again because I

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<v Speaker 1>I watched those same ones. I remember those ones. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember a similar behind the scenes behind the movies

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<v Speaker 1>show hosted by Leonard Nimoy?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that lights, camera action or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I remember once they had on a special

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<v Speaker 1>Nimoy and he's talking to it and he said, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered at the time thinking it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>funny name for a movie. But Nimoy says to the

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I see you in Geek Maggot Bingo? And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, years later to know that Geek Maggot Bingo

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<v Speaker 1>to be putting on like kids programming, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't feel it feels like nick might have taken

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we'll have to look at the timeline because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking for that show and I'm unable to find that

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<v Speaker 3>the Nimoy one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh man, that's listeners. Somebody they'll write in, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody please find that Nemoy show for us.

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<v Speaker 3>You would think it would be on my spleen dot org,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm not finding it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what else is going on in this episode? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Power of light bulbs scares the shit out of our Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It made me happy that they made some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>effort to show that she would be frightened by these things,

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<v Speaker 1>that there was some time passed, because how many episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of time traveling television if we watched where people are

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<v Speaker 1>just like automatically accepting of everything. I think about Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Leiterman's top ten list of things Abraham Lincoln would say

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<v Speaker 1>if he were alive today, and one of them was

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<v Speaker 1>eag iron bird. Yeah, modern things would freak the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>people out if they came from the sixteenth or seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is kind of clever to have it so

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<v Speaker 3>that when she comes in, it's all candlelit, and she's like, oh, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's normal, that's solely normal for me. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>surprised she didn't just she does sit there and like

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<v Speaker 3>flip the light a few times. I just kept thinking

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<v Speaker 3>that she was going to do that over and over.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like dissolved to her hours later, like still

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<v Speaker 1>At a certain point, John Finch imprisons her in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the bedrooms. He locks her into the bedroom and

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<v Speaker 1>all I could think was like, you don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Just give her like a blender or something

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<v Speaker 1>like you joined this thing on and off and just leave,

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<v Speaker 1>Go get your friend.

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<v Speaker 3>What match be is this? And the next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you just hear screams exactly, oh yeah, yeah, Well give

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<v Speaker 3>her a vibrator. She seems to be very amorous in

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<v Speaker 3>this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which, so there is there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>sex scenes in this but they have the one that

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<v Speaker 1>is featured is there's a sequence where she's It ends

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<v Speaker 1>with her scratching her nails down his back and gouging

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<v Speaker 1>into it. And I bring it up because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>transition there where it goes from her digging into his

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<v Speaker 1>and digging these furrows in red to a little red

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<v Speaker 1>sports car wiping the frame. It was fucking awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>That was nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, again, this thing is shot so well and

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just a simple Okay, we're gonna have two

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<v Speaker 3>characters in a room and we're going to lock down

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<v Speaker 3>the camera and have them move around. No, we're cutting, cutting, cutting.

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<v Speaker 3>There are so many shots on this it's really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the look is actually spectacular. And look, it's their

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<v Speaker 1>film division basically funneled into the television and working with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of veteran television people like this director is

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<v Speaker 1>a TV animal. Basically he was always a TV But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm knocked out. I don't think there's only thirteen episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of this series appropriate. But I don't think we're ever

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<v Speaker 1>going to say the words. This looked really set bound.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too slick.

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<v Speaker 3>No, nothing in here looks like it was shot on

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<v Speaker 3>the set. I don't know if it was, but it

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<v Speaker 3>look like it, that's for sure. I really like the

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<v Speaker 3>shot when it is his psychiatrist's friend asking him questions

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<v Speaker 3>and you've got Finch laying closer to the camera and

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<v Speaker 3>half of his body is obscured, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 3>his friend with the needle in the background, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you can see the whole ceiling, which is so nice

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<v Speaker 3>that they are not afraid. Again, when it comes to sets,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these sets seems to have ceilings, so it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like they're shooting it.

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<v Speaker 1>They definitely are. In fact, ninety percent of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this series is filmed in one house, the Hampton House,

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<v Speaker 1>which Hammer Films had purchased in Hampton. So we looked

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<v Speaker 1>at a map today of all of the filming locations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all within twenty miles of this house. So every

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<v Speaker 1>time they come, there's woods right there, there's a town

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<v Speaker 1>right there. They do some pickup shots, like I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>in not this episode, but the next one there's some

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<v Speaker 1>London like shots, so there's all they London's an hour

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<v Speaker 1>away so they can run down and get be roll

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But it's you know me, I love economy

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that they're able to pull this off

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<v Speaker 1>and make it look so good and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see the house over and over again and not really

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that it's one house because it's a gigantic mansion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those old English manners.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I guess is appropriate for the opening and closing

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<v Speaker 3>of this where they just got to show the big

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<v Speaker 3>house and I was hoping for you. We just came

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<v Speaker 3>off of a show that has one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>books ever, and I was really like Oh, what are

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<v Speaker 3>they going to do for the opening of this Not

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. But that's my small complaint about this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's I like the theme because it's so modern

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, but it is just random shots of

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<v Speaker 1>this house and you would think maybe if there was

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<v Speaker 1>a season two, they could have at least cut a

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<v Speaker 1>montage together of creepy shit from this season, but they

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<v Speaker 1>just weren't there. But I agree, I'm a happy to skip.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never skip the opening of Tails from the

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Side, but this one, I'm like, eh, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's a quick opening too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like we're sitting there and okay, get to

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<v Speaker 3>the episode, and at least it's not as irritating as

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<v Speaker 3>the Night Gallery. That was just a little bit when

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<v Speaker 3>that music was like okay enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when that third season theme came in, down Dune,

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<v Speaker 1>Dune done, run for your life, Jesus, yeah, turn off

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<v Speaker 1>the TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she loems so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>The wife seems so clueless when she does. You talked

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<v Speaker 3>about the scratches. When she sees all the scratches on

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<v Speaker 3>his back, I'd be like, Okay, who were you fucking honey,

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<v Speaker 3>But instead she's just like, oh, so many scratches. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you do that to yourself? She lets him

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<v Speaker 1>off the hook.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, yeah, I saw on a rake multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love that she's back because he's completely strung

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<v Speaker 1>out and in her mind hallucinatory, and she's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to relax, Let's go for a walk through the woods. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that ever, And then she's

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<v Speaker 1>with him downstairs, goes upstairs, finds a decapitated bird that

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<v Speaker 1>is fluttering around. It has just been killed, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, lady, Oh, I love that bird. I love the

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<v Speaker 3>bird prop and how it's just twitching its little wings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so nice.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's got like the bone sticking out of the

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<v Speaker 3>neck like a cartoon bone.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so horrified. Like yeah, and it's just these

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<v Speaker 1>subtle things like I don't know, but God bless hammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that bird. And I love like later where

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<v Speaker 1>he's burying the bird in a grave that is way

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<v Speaker 1>too huge. Yes, but he goes down and like makes

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<v Speaker 1>out with it like this is I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It turns into his wife. And then his wife is

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<v Speaker 3>riding along on her horse, and then you have her

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<v Speaker 3>holding her face, so you're just like, okay, is this

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of like voodoo type thing that's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>Like of the bird, she's being affected. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>when he comes up, he's got blood all.

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<v Speaker 2>Down his face.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, man, what were you doing to that bird?

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<v Speaker 1>Like he think he goes to crush it with his shovel,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it turns into his wife, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>goes down and makes out with her after thinking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I might have just stabbed my wife in the face

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<v Speaker 1>with a shovel. Time for some tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jesus was so strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and at that point they still could have it

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<v Speaker 1>still could be just in his head because like they

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<v Speaker 1>cut to her, like when she's still on the horse,

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<v Speaker 1>they show a wound like he's caused it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when they cut back to it, it's just not there.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be nothing at all. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't because you said voodoo. Don't we get a

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<v Speaker 1>version of that here? Yes, they're playing every angle this tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>little hideous little thing with a lock of her hair.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, yeah, I was kind of I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>see the part where the wife kind of twists the

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<v Speaker 3>doll and makes it into Patricia Quinn because I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be afraid to throw that doll into the fire,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, oh, okay, it's the Patricia Quinn version

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<v Speaker 3>of the doll. Now I'm like, oh, very talented lady

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to swap out the the voodoo dolls.

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<v Speaker 1>There, like to what you were saying earlier. Like, the

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<v Speaker 1>one criticism I do have of this episode overall is

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't really get any groundwork about what the

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<v Speaker 1>plan is. Like it's all just sort of happenstance. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine because we're viewing it through the lead character's

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, but we're the audience and we know more.

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<v Speaker 1>We know she's real, so you know, just little things

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<v Speaker 1>like her snatching the wife's hair no like and leading

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<v Speaker 1>there like this thing likes to surprise out of the blue,

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<v Speaker 1>like suddenly there's a voodoo doll and it's fine, we're

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<v Speaker 1>digging it because they have set it up and that

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<v Speaker 1>the wife has been in pain and complaining for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while. But nevertheless, like could have just little breadcrumbs

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<v Speaker 1>along the way can go a long way, because there

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<v Speaker 1>are sometimes where there are gonna be episodes completely predicated

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler for the next episode on one idea, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you see the idea coming from the opening, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be in trouble. But you can at least give us

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<v Speaker 1>a little something because the voodoo don't ends up being

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<v Speaker 1>very important.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, major, yeah, talking about going back to the

434
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<v Speaker 3>nudity thing that his wife is wandering around in broad

435
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<v Speaker 3>underwear so much of this episode, like that whole middle

436
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<v Speaker 3>sequence after she comes back from a ride, she's just

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<v Speaker 3>broad and underwear the whole rest of the time until,

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<v Speaker 3>like I think it's the next act where she finally

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<v Speaker 3>puts on some clothes, and it so reminds me of

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a kid and watching PBS and watching

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<v Speaker 3>BBC shows on PBS. I mean, I thought I was

442
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<v Speaker 3>crazy because I was like, did I really see boobs

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<v Speaker 3>on PBS? Was that the only reason I watched Benny Hill?

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<v Speaker 3>And the answer is yes, Yes, that is the only reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's funny is Roy Skaggs was a producer of

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh funny, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In his time away from Hammer, he worked on the

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<v Speaker 1>He worked with the Benny Hills Show. Yeah, we get

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<v Speaker 1>the full I'm going to encourage people to watch another

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<v Speaker 1>series right now, but I'm going to encourage you to

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<v Speaker 1>do that after you've watched Hammer. House of Horror in

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<v Speaker 1>its entirety. There are two shows actually, obviously Garth Marenghi's

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Place, which is the more famous of the two,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Steve Coogan has a show called Doctor Horrible's

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<v Speaker 1>House of Terror or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I haven't seen that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. That one is way more specific. That one is

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<v Speaker 1>more about Amicus and Tygon and Hammer during the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's this esthetic, the same sort of I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know how to describe Hammer in seventies sort of

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<v Speaker 1>British cinema. But nevertheless, both Dark Place and the Steve

464
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<v Speaker 1>Coogan show take great pains to make fun of this esthetic,

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<v Speaker 1>and you will not enjoy these shows if you watch

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<v Speaker 1>those first. I'm telling you this will just be a curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a curiosity anyway. I'm just saying you do

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<v Speaker 1>need to watch those, but watch this first, please.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have to check those.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen Garth Marenghi, of course, but I have not

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<v Speaker 3>seen this Doctor Terrible, so I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very fun. It's very specific too, like that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a fan of seventies British horror at all, particularly

475
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<v Speaker 1>their anthology Horror, you're going to have a ball with this.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Which I'm a terrible host in that I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the name off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, yeah, Doctor Terrible's House of Horrible and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the first episode is Lesbian vampire Lovers of Lust. There

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<v Speaker 3>you go, all right, as someone who just watched Twins

481
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<v Speaker 3>of Evil, I can definitely get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know what else are you going.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I was glad that the priest character.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Seems to have his head about him very well, and

485
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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't trying to be like, oh, yeah, you're crazy,

486
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<v Speaker 3>but he kind of knew the lore. He didn't seem

487
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<v Speaker 3>to be like, Okay, he does suggest an exorcism and

488
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<v Speaker 3>that is kind of what really pushes this to the

489
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<v Speaker 3>limit and brings about the voodoo doll and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I again like, oh, pretty reasonable prest character.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought so too, And yet it ends up

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<v Speaker 1>being an investigation kind of thing with the wife. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, It's like this was interesting to me in

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<v Speaker 1>it I don't think you would have gotten this in America.

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<v Speaker 1>She's cheating on him from the beginning, yeah, and like

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just a pawn of this horrible thing, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's effectively unleashed it. So she never really gets any

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<v Speaker 1>punishment here, like, oh, she shows up, saves the day

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<v Speaker 1>and gets to be a fucking hero, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of a cause.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, come up in whatsoever, which is so

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<v Speaker 3>weird compared to everything that we've been seeing where it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a balance to the universe and if somebody is bad,

505
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<v Speaker 3>we need to punish them appropriately. We saw that so

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<v Speaker 3>much with Tails from the Dark Side. No, she wins

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<v Speaker 3>at the end, and I found that to be very remarkable.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, Okay, well, where's the twist, and

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<v Speaker 3>there is no twist.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is Dark Side would have at least

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<v Speaker 1>brought it up, like I'm bringing it up because we

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<v Speaker 1>watched it and are fucking critiquing it. But like, the

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<v Speaker 1>story itself doesn't really play into that at all. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it as soon as she shows up, it tries its best.

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<v Speaker 1>It even tries to redeem her, because she has a

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<v Speaker 1>scene where she breaks up with the psychiatrist, like I

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<v Speaker 1>have to focus on him, like he needs me, Like okay, great,

518
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<v Speaker 1>Like you should have been doing that from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, and second of all, dark Side calling

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<v Speaker 1>the dark Side come in and smack her down, please yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And he's the one that goes nuts and tries

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<v Speaker 3>to burn her at the stake, and I'm just like okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And for a minute there I thought that was going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen, because, like you said, she doesn't get come up,

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<v Speaker 3>and this would have been almost appropriate for a cheating spouse.

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<v Speaker 3>But instead, Yeah, she saves the day and wins everything.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dark Side would have burned her at the stake

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<v Speaker 1>and the husband would have been on a leash being

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<v Speaker 1>led away by Patricia Quinn.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the place I want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, okay, anything else, No, I'm good right on. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>on the next episode of Midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology Podcust,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be taking a look at season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode two, that is the thirteenth reunion. Until then, where

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<v Speaker 1>can people find you if they're looking for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mike White, Well, everything that I do is over

538
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<v Speaker 3>at weirdingwaymedia dot com, including the show that I do

539
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<v Speaker 3>every week for the last fourteen and some years, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the Projection Booth podcast. So come on by and

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<v Speaker 3>listen to me ramble on about movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, are you talking about the best fucking

543
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<v Speaker 1>movie podcast out there? I agree? Everybody go see that.

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<v Speaker 1>As for me, you're listening to my show, Midnight Viewing.

545
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<v Speaker 1>We're on twice a week Mondays. It's Father Malone's weekly

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<v Speaker 1>round Up. Every Friday we do either our horror anthology

547
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<v Speaker 1>podcast or one of our fests. We're currently going through

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<v Speaker 1>star trek Fest, proving very popular. Thank you all for

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<v Speaker 1>joining and going to the Patreon page and all that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a sign off for this one yet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exciting.
