Speaker 1: Welcome back to Midnight Viewing the Horror anthology podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Father Malone and this is a brand new season, a
Speaker 1: brand new hosting configuration. It's a brand new Cherry Flavor.
Speaker 1: Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Mike? What's that? Cherry?
Speaker 1: Brand new Cherry Flavor was a TV series on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Was interesting, quirky in the best kind of a way.
Speaker 1: All Right, we have covered Night Gallery, We've covered Tales
Speaker 1: from the Dark Side in Another life, we covered Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone eighty five, and we're back to do it again.
Speaker 1: Who's we glad you asked? Joining me to discuss all
Speaker 1: things televisual from our friends across the pond is the
Speaker 1: projection Booths.
Speaker 3: Mike white oudy, Hey, thanks so much for having me
Speaker 3: follow alone.
Speaker 1: My pleasure and the show we're discussing. That program, as
Speaker 1: they would say, is the one season killer.
Speaker 2: This was on Teams series.
Speaker 1: That's our series one.
Speaker 3: Technically we're going to get into britishisms, we might as
Speaker 3: well go as series.
Speaker 1: This indeed a show that asks the question. This was
Speaker 1: on TV in nineteen eighty and we are discussing from
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Hammer House of Horror now Hammer Films, of course,
Speaker 1: founded back in nineteen thirty four by William Hines and
Speaker 1: James Carreras. That company mainly released comedies and swashbucklers, and
Speaker 1: a few crime flicks until about nineteen fifty eight. That's
Speaker 1: when the company would gain its notoriety as the UK's
Speaker 1: premier interpreter of classic horror when it released The Curse
Speaker 1: of Frankenstein, starring Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. Now, for
Speaker 1: the next twenty years, Hammer would be synonymous with lurid,
Speaker 1: gory and suggestive horror. But by nineteen eighty the wheels
Speaker 1: had come off this particularly gruesome cart and Hammer was
Speaker 1: desperate to simply maintain its glory, never mind restore it.
Speaker 1: Enter Roy Skegg should I say re enter Roy Skegg's
Speaker 1: He had been a former production supervisor until he left
Speaker 1: the company in seventy four to start his own film house.
Speaker 1: When Hammer went into receivership in nineteen seventy eight, he
Speaker 1: was asked back by the board of directors to take
Speaker 1: over creatively, and his first act was to move the
Speaker 1: productions away from Victorian subject matter and instead modernize and,
Speaker 1: if at all possible, anthologize. Thus we have Hammer's second
Speaker 1: foray into television. Hammer House of Horror now Hammer. House
Speaker 1: of Horror premiered on August twenty eighth, nineteen eighty. That
Speaker 1: was here in the US. This episode is called Witching Time.
Speaker 1: This is season one, episode one, written by Anthony Reid,
Speaker 1: directed by Don Lever. He was a TV veteran, apparently
Speaker 1: having directed a bunch of anthology series in England, including
Speaker 1: two shows called Scorpion Tales and Thriller She's Gonna have
Speaker 1: to look into those. This one stars John Finch, Mister Macbeth,
Speaker 1: Patricia Quinn. If you're listening to the show, and I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, Patricia Quinn, is you should stop
Speaker 1: listening to this show. It also starts Prunella g who
Speaker 1: she was in Never Say Never Again and Ian McCulloch.
Speaker 1: Bring on the dancing horses, Rocky and McCulloch, all right.
Speaker 1: This is about a witch from the seventeenth century who
Speaker 1: returns to her ancestral home with thoughts of vengeance and
Speaker 1: possession toward its current inhabitants. A successful actress and her
Speaker 1: mentally fragile composer husband are the ones in her sights.
Speaker 1: Of course, this all might be in his mind. Mike,
Speaker 1: what did you think of our first Hammer Horror.
Speaker 2: They let that on TV.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I was pretty happy. Being a big fan
Speaker 3: of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. This was the side
Speaker 3: of Patricia Quinn that I've never seen before, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I was pretty happy about that. But more over, what
Speaker 3: a quality cast. This cast is amazing. I love John Finch,
Speaker 3: I love Patricia Quinn. I'm kind of curious if Susan
Speaker 3: George was supposed to be in this because isn't that
Speaker 3: her photo that is in the episode. I feel like
Speaker 3: we're supposed to think that that's the wife, but it's
Speaker 3: not her, right, that's no. Yeah, okay, I was very
Speaker 3: confused by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, I mean, the story is such that it it
Speaker 3: feels a little it reminds me of like when I
Speaker 3: was a kid growing up and there was a horror
Speaker 3: show on Nickelodeon where it was about, like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: a Puritan coming back and ruining the life of this
Speaker 3: teenage girl because it's this whole Yeah, we're time traveling
Speaker 3: and here's this witch and she's back.
Speaker 2: But I was really hoping for more.
Speaker 3: I wanted more of a plan or a plot or something,
Speaker 3: because she just seems so I don't know, just kind
Speaker 3: of well corny and nothing wrong with that, and then
Speaker 3: just mischievous. I was like, oh okay, and of course,
Speaker 3: like things get pretty heated haha towards the end. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I was hoping for a little bit more to this story.
Speaker 3: But again I was just so impressed by the cast
Speaker 3: and just more John Findle that guy.
Speaker 1: Now we just spent the better part of a year
Speaker 1: toiling and Tales from the Dark Side, And of course
Speaker 1: I love Tales from the Dark Side, do love Taless
Speaker 1: in the dark Side. But going back several years now
Speaker 1: from that, because this is nineteen eighty, would you not
Speaker 1: agree that the writing, even as a little dialogue and
Speaker 1: this little characterization as we're given here, just the level
Speaker 1: has come up remarkably right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is movie quality. I was surprised at just
Speaker 3: how well, first off, how good it looks. The cinematography
Speaker 3: on this is wonderful. Yes, the writing is fantastic. Had
Speaker 3: they tacked on another what ten fifteen minutes, it would
Speaker 3: have been a feature length movie. It was just kind
Speaker 3: of blown away by that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels very adult, It feels very mature, even
Speaker 1: though it's delving even like further into the more lurid
Speaker 1: depths of what horror can offer, including the massive amounts
Speaker 1: of nudity. That's what we're talking about. Like this, I
Speaker 1: gotta say this episode begins. It begins the series extremely
Speaker 1: cleverly in that we're given one of what we expect
Speaker 1: from Hammer, which is a period piece with women and
Speaker 1: bodices and dressing gowns and running through a Victorian mansion
Speaker 1: and getting naked all and being stalked by a killer.
Speaker 1: And then to reveal that's actually just a movie that
Speaker 1: our lead is the composer of.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was nice.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I thought that was beautiful. And it also
Speaker 1: brings us to a brand new segment here on Midnight
Speaker 1: Viewing Mike. This is called was Brian de Palma in
Speaker 1: England in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this opening is very, very blowout, and yeah, just
Speaker 3: to have the composer be our main character, it felt
Speaker 3: a little barbarian sound studio as well for.
Speaker 1: Me, very blow out. And then again body double, like
Speaker 1: the let's start with the artifice of it and then
Speaker 1: reveal that this is not this is the creators of
Speaker 1: that thing. So this is even more realistic, Like you
Speaker 1: can believe this even more than the old staid vampires
Speaker 1: and or like slashers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love when they start with this and just pull
Speaker 3: the rug out from under us, especially they're starting with
Speaker 3: that kind of unknown POV which we get through so
Speaker 3: many things, and yeah, that they get up to her
Speaker 3: and I was expecting to your point a really horrible screamed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And not only Brian de Palma, but is
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel a fan of this at all? This is
Speaker 1: about a composer whose actress wife girlfriend is cheating on him,
Speaker 1: and it does impose a Dracula puppet musical by the end,
Speaker 1: because that would have really would have been perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was really happy with the whole
Speaker 3: idea of him being this composer and seeing some of
Speaker 3: the composition scenes. They didn't go too far into that.
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, this is nice. It's a
Speaker 3: nice way to set up this whole thing. I really
Speaker 3: like how we immediately get the idea of her cheating
Speaker 3: on him, and him pretty much. I think he knows
Speaker 3: that he's being cutcolded.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, I mean, his first conversation is she's definitely
Speaker 1: cheating on me. Oh, but yeah, you know, I don't care.
Speaker 1: He's on so many pills and he's been drinking so heavily,
Speaker 1: which John Finch, yeah, right, art imitating life. I think
Speaker 1: what I really liked about that was it set up
Speaker 1: the sort of possibility of disbelief here, like that the
Speaker 1: witch might be in his mind, and they go to
Speaker 1: pains to sort of make that a possibility, but it
Speaker 1: very well could have been a possibility, and it crossed
Speaker 1: my mind multiple times during the narrative that they might
Speaker 1: be pulling the wall over our eyes on this, which
Speaker 1: would have been fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and well you mentioned Macbeth, which I know he
Speaker 3: was in, but I was reminded a little bit too
Speaker 3: of Hamlet with this whole idea of the horse going crazy.
Speaker 3: That's almost like what they not magical realism, but like
Speaker 3: natural realism kind of thing where the animals are reflecting
Speaker 3: what we feel. So you've got the dog who's afraid
Speaker 3: of the storm, and then you've got the horse out
Speaker 3: in the barn, and then the barn becomes this major
Speaker 3: thing where it's like, okay, we need to go out
Speaker 3: there make sure that the horse is okay, and then
Speaker 3: that's where we find Patricia Quinn. So I like that
Speaker 3: whole idea of nature just being a player in this
Speaker 3: as well, this mysterious storm that comes along that it
Speaker 3: feels like he's the only one that witnessed it because
Speaker 3: when his wife's lover, who's also is he a psychiatrist?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he starts to question the whole idea of like, well,
Speaker 3: there really wasn't a storm last night, what's your problem?
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that tips him off
Speaker 3: to think that our main character is little nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, that could have also worked
Speaker 1: in the opposite direction. It could have been because that's
Speaker 1: the wife's lover. He's trying to make him go crazy,
Speaker 1: because we've seen that how many times on night Gallery?
Speaker 3: Yeah, gaslight a very intense gaslight with hiring a redhead
Speaker 3: to hang out in the barn.
Speaker 1: Now, my question is during the storm, his dog, Billy
Speaker 1: runs off by the way. At a certain point, he
Speaker 1: calls after the dog and he just says Bill, and
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, what a great name for dog. Anyway,
Speaker 1: are we to believe that, because we do not see
Speaker 1: Billy again for the rest of the rest of the story,
Speaker 1: did she become Bill? Did the dog turn into the witch?
Speaker 1: Or And when he finds her, she's basically sort of
Speaker 1: crouched down like a dog. I think he thinks it's
Speaker 1: a dog at first, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he has no idea what she is, that
Speaker 3: she's just black mound.
Speaker 1: Basically, I think the possibility exists that dog transmographied into
Speaker 1: Patricia Quinn, making it the sexiest dog of what.
Speaker 2: God damn, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: Good lord. It's not the first time we've seen her naked,
Speaker 1: though she was not. Now for something completely different from
Speaker 1: the Meaning of Life. Meaning of Life, she's doing the
Speaker 1: sex education scene. She's John Cleese's wife comes in to
Speaker 1: demonstrate with it.
Speaker 2: I think I've seen that movie.
Speaker 1: I watch again.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Nickelodeon, there was a making of Movies show
Speaker 3: on Nickelodeon when I was growing up, and they just
Speaker 3: kept playing the same four baby episodes over and over again,
Speaker 3: and one of them was of Life. What a weird
Speaker 3: thing to put on Nickelodeons, the Making of the Meaning
Speaker 3: of Life. That one Dark Crystal. I can't remember the
Speaker 3: other ones. But yeah, that whole thing with the guy
Speaker 3: in bed with his leg missing. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many times I saw that scene because it was in
Speaker 3: that whole scene was part of the making of video,
Speaker 3: and I just saw over and over again because I
Speaker 3: was so into the idea of well behind the scenes
Speaker 3: stuff that I would watch anything.
Speaker 1: I watched those same ones. I remember those ones. Do
Speaker 1: you remember a similar behind the scenes behind the movies
Speaker 1: show hosted by Leonard Nimoy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Was that lights, camera action or something?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember once they had on a special
Speaker 1: effects guy, like like prosthetics and masks and stuff, and
Speaker 1: there was like a second head that they placed on
Speaker 1: Nimoy and he's talking to it and he said, and
Speaker 1: I remembered at the time thinking it was just a
Speaker 1: funny name for a movie. But Nimoy says to the
Speaker 1: prop because the prop is from this movie, he says,
Speaker 1: didn't I see you in Geek Maggot Bingo? And then,
Speaker 1: of course, years later to know that Geek Maggot Bingo
Speaker 1: is a nick Z film, like speaking of weird shit
Speaker 1: to be putting on like kids programming, Well.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel it feels like nick might have taken
Speaker 3: name rather than vice versa.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Then we'll have to look at the timeline because I'm
Speaker 3: looking for that show and I'm unable to find that
Speaker 3: the Nimoy one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that's listeners. Somebody they'll write in, Actually,
Speaker 1: somebody please find that Nemoy show for us.
Speaker 3: You would think it would be on my spleen dot org,
Speaker 3: but I'm not finding it there.
Speaker 1: Oh what else is going on in this episode? Oh?
Speaker 3: Power of light bulbs scares the shit out of our Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I was.
Speaker 1: It made me happy that they made some sort of
Speaker 1: effort to show that she would be frightened by these things,
Speaker 1: that there was some time passed, because how many episodes
Speaker 1: of time traveling television if we watched where people are
Speaker 1: just like automatically accepting of everything. I think about Dave
Speaker 1: Leiterman's top ten list of things Abraham Lincoln would say
Speaker 1: if he were alive today, and one of them was
Speaker 1: eag iron bird. Yeah, modern things would freak the fucking
Speaker 1: people out if they came from the sixteenth or seventeenth century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And it is kind of clever to have it so
Speaker 3: that when she comes in, it's all candlelit, and she's like, oh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's normal, that's solely normal for me. And I'm
Speaker 3: surprised she didn't just she does sit there and like
Speaker 3: flip the light a few times. I just kept thinking
Speaker 3: that she was going to do that over and over.
Speaker 3: It's almost like dissolved to her hours later, like still
Speaker 3: flipping the light.
Speaker 1: At a certain point, John Finch imprisons her in one
Speaker 1: of the bedrooms. He locks her into the bedroom and
Speaker 1: all I could think was like, you don't need to
Speaker 1: do that. Just give her like a blender or something
Speaker 1: like you joined this thing on and off and just leave,
Speaker 1: Go get your friend.
Speaker 3: What match be is this? And the next thing you know,
Speaker 3: you just hear screams exactly, oh yeah, yeah, Well give
Speaker 3: her a vibrator. She seems to be very amorous in
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, so there is there a couple of
Speaker 1: sex scenes in this but they have the one that
Speaker 1: is featured is there's a sequence where she's It ends
Speaker 1: with her scratching her nails down his back and gouging
Speaker 1: into it. And I bring it up because there's a
Speaker 1: transition there where it goes from her digging into his
Speaker 1: and digging these furrows in red to a little red
Speaker 1: sports car wiping the frame. It was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: That was nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, again, this thing is shot so well and
Speaker 3: it's not just a simple Okay, we're gonna have two
Speaker 3: characters in a room and we're going to lock down
Speaker 3: the camera and have them move around. No, we're cutting, cutting, cutting.
Speaker 3: There are so many shots on this it's really well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the look is actually spectacular. And look, it's their
Speaker 1: film division basically funneled into the television and working with
Speaker 1: a lot of veteran television people like this director is
Speaker 1: a TV animal. Basically he was always a TV But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm knocked out. I don't think there's only thirteen episodes
Speaker 1: of this series appropriate. But I don't think we're ever
Speaker 1: going to say the words. This looked really set bound.
Speaker 1: It's just too slick.
Speaker 3: No, nothing in here looks like it was shot on
Speaker 3: the set. I don't know if it was, but it
Speaker 3: look like it, that's for sure. I really like the
Speaker 3: shot when it is his psychiatrist's friend asking him questions
Speaker 3: and you've got Finch laying closer to the camera and
Speaker 3: half of his body is obscured, and then you've got
Speaker 3: his friend with the needle in the background, and then
Speaker 3: you can see the whole ceiling, which is so nice
Speaker 3: that they are not afraid. Again, when it comes to sets,
Speaker 3: all of these sets seems to have ceilings, so it
Speaker 3: feels like they're shooting it.
Speaker 1: They definitely are. In fact, ninety percent of all of
Speaker 1: this series is filmed in one house, the Hampton House,
Speaker 1: which Hammer Films had purchased in Hampton. So we looked
Speaker 1: at a map today of all of the filming locations.
Speaker 1: It's all within twenty miles of this house. So every
Speaker 1: time they come, there's woods right there, there's a town
Speaker 1: right there. They do some pickup shots, like I noticed
Speaker 1: in not this episode, but the next one there's some
Speaker 1: London like shots, so there's all they London's an hour
Speaker 1: away so they can run down and get be roll
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's you know me, I love economy
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're able to pull this off
Speaker 1: and make it look so good and we're going to
Speaker 1: see the house over and over again and not really
Speaker 1: recognize that it's one house because it's a gigantic mansion.
Speaker 1: It's one of those old English manners.
Speaker 3: Which I guess is appropriate for the opening and closing
Speaker 3: of this where they just got to show the big
Speaker 3: house and I was hoping for you. We just came
Speaker 3: off of a show that has one of the best
Speaker 3: books ever, and I was really like Oh, what are
Speaker 3: they going to do for the opening of this Not
Speaker 3: a lot. But that's my small complaint about this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's I like the theme because it's so modern
Speaker 1: in a way, but it is just random shots of
Speaker 1: this house and you would think maybe if there was
Speaker 1: a season two, they could have at least cut a
Speaker 1: montage together of creepy shit from this season, but they
Speaker 1: just weren't there. But I agree, I'm a happy to skip.
Speaker 1: I would never skip the opening of Tails from the
Speaker 1: Dark Side, but this one, I'm like, eh, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a quick opening too.
Speaker 3: It's not like we're sitting there and okay, get to
Speaker 3: the episode, and at least it's not as irritating as
Speaker 3: the Night Gallery. That was just a little bit when
Speaker 3: that music was like okay enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when that third season theme came in, down Dune,
Speaker 1: Dune done, run for your life, Jesus, yeah, turn off
Speaker 1: the TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she loems so sorry.
Speaker 3: The wife seems so clueless when she does. You talked
Speaker 3: about the scratches. When she sees all the scratches on
Speaker 3: his back, I'd be like, Okay, who were you fucking honey,
Speaker 3: But instead she's just like, oh, so many scratches. Oh,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: How did you do that to yourself? She lets him
Speaker 1: off the hook.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, I saw on a rake multiple times.
Speaker 1: And I love that she's back because he's completely strung
Speaker 1: out and in her mind hallucinatory, and she's like, you
Speaker 1: need to relax, Let's go for a walk through the woods. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that ever, And then she's
Speaker 1: with him downstairs, goes upstairs, finds a decapitated bird that
Speaker 1: is fluttering around. It has just been killed, and she's like,
Speaker 1: what did you do?
Speaker 3: Yes, lady, Oh, I love that bird. I love the
Speaker 3: bird prop and how it's just twitching its little wings.
Speaker 2: That's so nice.
Speaker 3: And it's got like the bone sticking out of the
Speaker 3: neck like a cartoon bone.
Speaker 2: It looks like.
Speaker 1: It was so horrified. Like yeah, and it's just these
Speaker 1: subtle things like I don't know, but God bless hammer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that bird. And I love like later where
Speaker 1: he's burying the bird in a grave that is way
Speaker 1: too huge. Yes, but he goes down and like makes
Speaker 1: out with it like this is I don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 3: It turns into his wife. And then his wife is
Speaker 3: riding along on her horse, and then you have her
Speaker 3: holding her face, so you're just like, okay, is this
Speaker 3: some sort of like voodoo type thing that's going on,
Speaker 3: Like of the bird, she's being affected. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: when he comes up, he's got blood all.
Speaker 2: Down his face.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, what were you doing to that bird?
Speaker 1: Like he think he goes to crush it with his shovel,
Speaker 1: and then it turns into his wife, and then he
Speaker 1: goes down and makes out with her after thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: I might have just stabbed my wife in the face
Speaker 1: with a shovel. Time for some tongue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus was so strong.
Speaker 1: Oh and at that point they still could have it
Speaker 1: still could be just in his head because like they
Speaker 1: cut to her, like when she's still on the horse,
Speaker 1: they show a wound like he's caused it, and then
Speaker 1: when they cut back to it, it's just not there.
Speaker 1: So it could be nothing at all. But of course
Speaker 1: it isn't because you said voodoo. Don't we get a
Speaker 1: version of that here? Yes, they're playing every angle this tiny,
Speaker 1: little hideous little thing with a lock of her hair.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah, I was kind of I didn't
Speaker 3: see the part where the wife kind of twists the
Speaker 3: doll and makes it into Patricia Quinn because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'd be afraid to throw that doll into the fire,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, okay, it's the Patricia Quinn version
Speaker 3: of the doll. Now I'm like, oh, very talented lady
Speaker 3: to be able to swap out the the voodoo dolls.
Speaker 1: There, like to what you were saying earlier. Like, the
Speaker 1: one criticism I do have of this episode overall is
Speaker 1: that we don't really get any groundwork about what the
Speaker 1: plan is. Like it's all just sort of happenstance. And
Speaker 1: that's fine because we're viewing it through the lead character's
Speaker 1: point of view, but we're the audience and we know more.
Speaker 1: We know she's real, so you know, just little things
Speaker 1: like her snatching the wife's hair no like and leading
Speaker 1: there like this thing likes to surprise out of the blue,
Speaker 1: like suddenly there's a voodoo doll and it's fine, we're
Speaker 1: digging it because they have set it up and that
Speaker 1: the wife has been in pain and complaining for a
Speaker 1: little while. But nevertheless, like could have just little breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: along the way can go a long way, because there
Speaker 1: are sometimes where there are gonna be episodes completely predicated
Speaker 1: spoiler for the next episode on one idea, and if
Speaker 1: you see the idea coming from the opening, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be in trouble. But you can at least give us
Speaker 1: a little something because the voodoo don't ends up being
Speaker 1: very important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, major, yeah, talking about going back to the
Speaker 3: nudity thing that his wife is wandering around in broad
Speaker 3: underwear so much of this episode, like that whole middle
Speaker 3: sequence after she comes back from a ride, she's just
Speaker 3: broad and underwear the whole rest of the time until,
Speaker 3: like I think it's the next act where she finally
Speaker 3: puts on some clothes, and it so reminds me of
Speaker 3: when I was a kid and watching PBS and watching
Speaker 3: BBC shows on PBS. I mean, I thought I was
Speaker 3: crazy because I was like, did I really see boobs
Speaker 3: on PBS? Was that the only reason I watched Benny Hill?
Speaker 3: And the answer is yes, Yes, that is the only reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, what's funny is Roy Skaggs was a producer of
Speaker 1: Benny Hill.
Speaker 2: Oh funny, Okay.
Speaker 1: In his time away from Hammer, he worked on the
Speaker 1: He worked with the Benny Hills Show. Yeah, we get
Speaker 1: the full I'm going to encourage people to watch another
Speaker 1: series right now, but I'm going to encourage you to
Speaker 1: do that after you've watched Hammer. House of Horror in
Speaker 1: its entirety. There are two shows actually, obviously Garth Marenghi's
Speaker 1: Dark Place, which is the more famous of the two,
Speaker 1: and then Steve Coogan has a show called Doctor Horrible's
Speaker 1: House of Terror or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 1: Now. That one is way more specific. That one is
Speaker 1: more about Amicus and Tygon and Hammer during the seventies.
Speaker 1: So it's this esthetic, the same sort of I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to describe Hammer in seventies sort of
Speaker 1: British cinema. But nevertheless, both Dark Place and the Steve
Speaker 1: Coogan show take great pains to make fun of this esthetic,
Speaker 1: and you will not enjoy these shows if you watch
Speaker 1: those first. I'm telling you this will just be a curiosity.
Speaker 1: It is a curiosity anyway. I'm just saying you do
Speaker 1: need to watch those, but watch this first, please.
Speaker 2: I will have to check those.
Speaker 3: I've seen Garth Marenghi, of course, but I have not
Speaker 3: seen this Doctor Terrible, so I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Have to check it out.
Speaker 1: It's very fun. It's very specific too, like that if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of seventies British horror at all, particularly
Speaker 1: their anthology Horror, you're going to have a ball with this.
Speaker 1: Which I'm a terrible host in that I don't have
Speaker 1: the name off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, Doctor Terrible's House of Horrible and yeah,
Speaker 3: the first episode is Lesbian vampire Lovers of Lust. There
Speaker 3: you go, all right, as someone who just watched Twins
Speaker 3: of Evil, I can definitely get into that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what else are you going.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was glad that the priest character.
Speaker 3: Seems to have his head about him very well, and
Speaker 3: he wasn't trying to be like, oh, yeah, you're crazy,
Speaker 3: but he kind of knew the lore. He didn't seem
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, he does suggest an exorcism and
Speaker 3: that is kind of what really pushes this to the
Speaker 3: limit and brings about the voodoo doll and all that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I again like, oh, pretty reasonable prest character.
Speaker 2: That was kind of nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought so too, And yet it ends up
Speaker 1: being an investigation kind of thing with the wife. By
Speaker 1: the way, It's like this was interesting to me in
Speaker 1: it I don't think you would have gotten this in America.
Speaker 1: She's cheating on him from the beginning, yeah, and like
Speaker 1: and he's just a pawn of this horrible thing, so
Speaker 1: she's effectively unleashed it. So she never really gets any
Speaker 1: punishment here, like, oh, she shows up, saves the day
Speaker 1: and gets to be a fucking hero, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're kind of a cause.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, come up in whatsoever, which is so
Speaker 3: weird compared to everything that we've been seeing where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's a balance to the universe and if somebody is bad,
Speaker 3: we need to punish them appropriately. We saw that so
Speaker 3: much with Tails from the Dark Side. No, she wins
Speaker 3: at the end, and I found that to be very remarkable.
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, well, where's the twist, and
Speaker 3: there is no twist.
Speaker 1: And the thing is Dark Side would have at least
Speaker 1: brought it up, like I'm bringing it up because we
Speaker 1: watched it and are fucking critiquing it. But like, the
Speaker 1: story itself doesn't really play into that at all. In fact,
Speaker 1: it as soon as she shows up, it tries its best.
Speaker 1: It even tries to redeem her, because she has a
Speaker 1: scene where she breaks up with the psychiatrist, like I
Speaker 1: have to focus on him, like he needs me, Like okay, great,
Speaker 1: Like you should have been doing that from the beginning,
Speaker 1: first of all, and second of all, dark Side calling
Speaker 1: the dark Side come in and smack her down, please yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's the one that goes nuts and tries
Speaker 3: to burn her at the stake, and I'm just like okay.
Speaker 3: And for a minute there I thought that was going
Speaker 3: to happen, because, like you said, she doesn't get come up,
Speaker 3: and this would have been almost appropriate for a cheating spouse.
Speaker 3: But instead, Yeah, she saves the day and wins everything.
Speaker 3: All right, good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dark Side would have burned her at the stake
Speaker 1: and the husband would have been on a leash being
Speaker 1: led away by Patricia Quinn.
Speaker 3: That's the place I want to be.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, okay, anything else, No, I'm good right on. Well,
Speaker 1: on the next episode of Midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology Podcust,
Speaker 1: We're going to be taking a look at season two,
Speaker 1: episode two, that is the thirteenth reunion. Until then, where
Speaker 1: can people find you if they're looking for you?
Speaker 3: Mister Mike White, Well, everything that I do is over
Speaker 3: at weirdingwaymedia dot com, including the show that I do
Speaker 3: every week for the last fourteen and some years, which
Speaker 3: is the Projection Booth podcast. So come on by and
Speaker 3: listen to me ramble on about movies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you talking about the best fucking
Speaker 1: movie podcast out there? I agree? Everybody go see that.
Speaker 1: As for me, you're listening to my show, Midnight Viewing.
Speaker 1: We're on twice a week Mondays. It's Father Malone's weekly
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