Speaker 1: All right, let's get it. Drivetime Wednesday afternoon, about ten
Speaker 1: minutes past the hour, two o'clock. Little chilly, little coal,
Speaker 1: little cloudy, little rainy, preparing for some snow coming up
Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the week and over the course
Speaker 1: of Friday and Saturday. It's gonna get jam packed up
Speaker 1: in the mountain area, which is always good. But it's
Speaker 1: gonna rain coming up in just an hour or so.
Speaker 1: Then some rain coming up tomorrow, some snow coming up
Speaker 1: on Friday weekend, looks all right. Then in the next
Speaker 1: week it feels like March. Is that That's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to. It feels like early March. But as
Speaker 1: it is every single day, it's good to have you
Speaker 1: along for the ride. Spence check, it's behind the mic.
Speaker 1: That's Porter Larsen behind the glass. Today jam Pack Show
Speaker 1: to get you halfway through your work week and one
Speaker 1: day closer to the weekend. Senior Night last night at
Speaker 1: the Huntsman Center for the Utah men's basketball team, West
Speaker 1: Virginia was able to get a win. It was a
Speaker 1: very competitive basketball game. West Virginia now back in the
Speaker 1: field of sixty four. According to Joe Lonardi, they're an
Speaker 1: at lar potential team out of the Big twelve Utah
Speaker 1: sixteen and fourteen. And they've got one more regular season
Speaker 1: conference game prior of the Big Twelve tournament that's coming
Speaker 1: up March the eighth on Saturday against Brigham Young down
Speaker 1: in Provo. It's an eight o'clock tip. The game is
Speaker 1: on ESPNU, and of course you can hear it on
Speaker 1: this radio station. Speaking excuse me, speaking to the BYU Cougar's.
Speaker 1: You're boys dealing with some stuff with a voice. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get through four hours today and we'll see, let's see,
Speaker 1: we'll see how we do today. We got a little
Speaker 1: throat situation, we got a little chest situation, got a
Speaker 1: little cough situation. So if my voice starts cracking, I
Speaker 1: have gone through puberty. I'm a man in my mid forties.
Speaker 1: I'm good to go that way. But we're dealing with
Speaker 1: some stuff today, So bear with me. BYU with an
Speaker 1: absolute statement. Win last night, there's no other way around it.
Speaker 1: Iowa State through everything at them a for Roch's comeback.
Speaker 1: Incredible comeback quite frankly by Iowa State, because that game
Speaker 1: was done BYU was twenty one points, but they end
Speaker 1: up making enough plays down the stretch to hold off
Speaker 1: I with State eighty eight, eighty five and double overtime.
Speaker 1: Who does Dallen Hall think he is jumping off two
Speaker 1: feet grabbing alley oops? Goodness gracious, what a game for
Speaker 1: Dallen Off the bench. Richie Saunders is playing his way
Speaker 1: in a conversation for the Big Twelve Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: let alone All Big Twelve First Team, and BYU has
Speaker 1: now won seven straight games. They're among, if not the
Speaker 1: hottest teams in all of college basketball. They've got the
Speaker 1: inside track to the four seed, with an outside shot
Speaker 1: it getting the three seed, although I doubt it, but
Speaker 1: a four seed for BYU gives them a double buy
Speaker 1: into the Big Twelve quarterfinals coming up next week. Utah
Speaker 1: Jazz are back in action tonight Jazz Basketball taking on
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. The Jazz are fifteen and forty six.
Speaker 1: The Wizards are eleven and forty nine NBA Basketball. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is Tankathon watch. These two teams are
Speaker 1: trying to stay near the bottom of the standings in
Speaker 1: order to get that fourteen percent chance to draft Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a five o'clock mountain time tips
Speaker 1: an early tip Jazz at Whiz. The Jazz are on
Speaker 1: a five game roadie after having nine games here in
Speaker 1: saut Lake City. Utah Hockey Club will be back in
Speaker 1: action tomorrow, taking on Detroit and down the stretch. Become
Speaker 1: hockey club right in the mix as it pertains to
Speaker 1: that wildcard spot in the NHL. Speaking of the NHL
Speaker 1: and the NHL trade deadline is forty eight hours away,
Speaker 1: and we've already seen a bevy of movement. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: more trades than you typically see. You don't see a
Speaker 1: ton of mid season trades in pro hockey, but there
Speaker 1: have already been a lot of trades that have been made.
Speaker 1: Will the Utah Hockey Club get involved? Bill Armstrong joined
Speaker 1: our program? Let's see, is that Monday or was it
Speaker 1: last week? I don't know, man, it was last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I swear that was Monday. I think it was Monday
Speaker 1: last week, Monday of last week. Goodness gracious. Anyway, it
Speaker 1: was a fun conversation with the general manager of the
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club, and so we'll fill you in with
Speaker 1: the latest in the NHL. WHOA telling you, man? Your
Speaker 1: boys dealing with something today?
Speaker 2: You gotta frog in your throat.
Speaker 1: It's a throat slash, chest slash. Not sick, not sore, throat,
Speaker 1: not fever, but coughing up things that you don't want
Speaker 1: to see right, flatter and such. How are you porter,
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, I'm doing Will Spencer say something entertainable?
Speaker 1: I clear my throat?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll turn your mic off and let you do
Speaker 3: that as well, I will say.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting the kind of dichotomy we've had,
Speaker 3: the dynamic we've had over the last twenty four hours
Speaker 3: with the hoop side for Utah, not only is Josh
Speaker 3: Eilert dealing with the last couple of games of the season,
Speaker 3: he's dealing with one of them being against a team
Speaker 3: he spent seventeen years at while rumor swirl of the
Speaker 3: new head coach potentially accepting the job within the coming days.
Speaker 3: Oh and now that you deal with all that, you
Speaker 3: just have a regular season finale against one of the
Speaker 3: hottest teams in the country, your rival BYU on the road.
Speaker 3: That's that's some fun stuff that we can get into
Speaker 3: in addition to a lot of RSL, maybe some offseason
Speaker 3: football and more.
Speaker 1: Get used to hearing more from that young man over
Speaker 1: the next couple of days because I'm gonna take some
Speaker 1: time off. We're gonna let the voice heel. We'll get
Speaker 1: to more of that coming up in a bit, but
Speaker 1: our first guest will be Chris Comrodnie live in studio. Ck.
Speaker 1: We'll stop by, we'll do some college football. We have
Speaker 1: the head ball coach of both our football team and
Speaker 1: our football team. See what I did there. First, Bablo
Speaker 1: Masnoetti's gonna stop by, the head coach of RSL, the
Speaker 1: manager of RSL, and then Kyle Whittingham. Look at that
Speaker 1: on this little radio show. Springball for the Utes about
Speaker 1: two weeks away or so, and we'll get with coach winning.
Speaker 1: I want to ask Kyle about the current status not
Speaker 1: of the spring game this year, the forever twenty two
Speaker 1: game this year. I think it's April nineteenth. I think
Speaker 1: that's the date, and that is on the calendar, and
Speaker 1: you should go. I'll be there and it's an exciting
Speaker 1: fun day because it means we can talk little football.
Speaker 1: But after Oklahoma became I think the fourteenth FCS team
Speaker 1: to cancel their spring game, we have I think fourteen
Speaker 1: teams now in major college football. They have decided to
Speaker 1: either cancel springball altogether or just kind of adjust the
Speaker 1: way they approach it. I think Oklahoma's going to do
Speaker 1: more of like a pro day, some drills, they're just
Speaker 1: not going to scrimmage. But Nebraska, USC and some others,
Speaker 1: Florida State, some big time programs are just tapped out
Speaker 1: of spring the spring game altogether. So let's see what
Speaker 1: Kyle has to say about that. Learn a little bit
Speaker 1: more about the new roster, and I will ask Kyle
Speaker 1: if Devin dan Pierre is going to be the starting
Speaker 1: quarterback for Utah football. I'm not afraid of it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do that today on the program. So Chris Camaraddie,
Speaker 1: Pablo Mast you winning him and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1: On a jam Pack Wednesday show, Happy Wednesday. You're halfway
Speaker 1: through that work week and you're one day closer to
Speaker 1: the weekend. All right, before we get with c K
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Speaker 1: So fun night. In local college basketball, last night, at
Speaker 1: Senior Night at the Huntsman Center, Coach Eilert elected to
Speaker 1: start five seniors as you would expect, Caleb Lohner, Lawson
Speaker 1: Lovery and Hunter Ericson and the Matsen brothers Mason Matts
Speaker 1: and Gabe Matts and Gabe Mattson will leave the University
Speaker 1: of Utah's the all time leading three point shots made
Speaker 1: in history. He went five to fourteen from last night
Speaker 1: last night seven of sixteen from the Laurie had twenty
Speaker 1: three points, five boards. Jake Wallen had twenty minutes. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I was kind of interested to see what
Speaker 1: coach Eyler would do. There was a little bit different
Speaker 1: than what Craig decided to do to do, if anything
Speaker 1: at all. The one thing he's done is he's played
Speaker 1: COUNTA does a lot of minutes. But Kianna didn't do
Speaker 1: much last night. He had twenty one minutes, Ezra twenty
Speaker 1: nine minutes. Couldn't get going nine to eleven from the
Speaker 1: free throw line. He did have eleven points and some
Speaker 1: nice minutes from shrov jams twenty eight minutes for Mike,
Speaker 1: he had twelve points. He had six boards and three assists,
Speaker 1: but Utah not able to get it done. West Virginia
Speaker 1: a really good team. West Virginia is a real weird
Speaker 1: team to kind of try to figure out because they
Speaker 1: have some of the best wins in conference. After beating
Speaker 1: the Utes here in Salt Lake City last night, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: according to Joe Lenardi, is now back in the field
Speaker 1: as an at large and right now they're nine to
Speaker 1: ten in conference play. They're eighteen and twelve overall. They're
Speaker 1: going to finish things up with a game against UCF
Speaker 1: a home. But they have some of the best wins
Speaker 1: in all the Big Twelve. They beat Gonzaga early on,
Speaker 1: they beat Arizona early on, They beat Kansas. I know
Speaker 1: everybody's beating Kansas, but they beat Iowa State. Then they
Speaker 1: have some just really bizarre losses. Quite frankly, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't too surprised to see West Virginia get that win.
Speaker 1: It was a very competitive game that that went right
Speaker 1: down to the stretch. The uts miss some timely free
Speaker 1: throws has kind of been the deal lost in two
Speaker 1: of seven. Poor kid. I always feel bad for him
Speaker 1: when he's on the line. But Senior night, so it
Speaker 1: was a good crowd to say goodbye to these young men.
Speaker 1: I'll say the same thing about Gabe Madsen that I
Speaker 1: said about Brandon Carlson after BC was leaving last year.
Speaker 1: Gabe deserves to be remembered really as the legend a
Speaker 1: guy that could have left on a number of different
Speaker 1: occasions decided to stick around. And I'm honestly, I know
Speaker 1: this sounds weird, but in this day and age of
Speaker 1: college basketball, I'm impressed that these kids just hung around
Speaker 1: period after their head coach was fired. I do not
Speaker 1: know how many players on this roster that the incoming
Speaker 1: coach will try to recruit to try to get back.
Speaker 1: We've kind of done this exercise before, and this is
Speaker 1: gonna be predicated on the new coaching staff and what
Speaker 1: they've value. And oftentimes I kind of you know when
Speaker 1: you hear like, hey, they've got eight returning players, Well,
Speaker 1: if none of them are good, it's not a good
Speaker 1: thing that they're back. I would imagine they'd like to
Speaker 1: have Ezra back, who's a junior. Look like coach Eiler
Speaker 1: thought more of Kiana Dolles than Craig did. And Keanu
Speaker 1: is a sophomore. Maybe you look to get him back,
Speaker 1: and then I think you'd like to have Jake Walleen back,
Speaker 1: maybe Shrob Jamps who's a junior. The Mats and Brothers
Speaker 1: are both seniors. Lost in a senior, Caleb a senior
Speaker 1: as well. My were little never really cracked the rotation consistently,
Speaker 1: although he had flashes. So we'll see one more game
Speaker 1: for the Utes. They're going to take on BYU and
Speaker 1: Provo coming up on Saturday, and again that is an
Speaker 1: eight o'clock tip time. It'll be on ESPNU and you
Speaker 1: can hear the game on this little radio station. Speaking
Speaker 1: of BYU, it's time to admit it, man, this is
Speaker 1: a really, really good basketball team that is playing the
Speaker 1: right way the right time of year. And I know
Speaker 1: that's a cliche, but it is absolutely apropos when it
Speaker 1: comes to college hoops. If we turn our calendar to
Speaker 1: March and you are reaching that peak, you know, we
Speaker 1: always ask the question, how good is your good? How
Speaker 1: good is your ceiling? How good are you when you're
Speaker 1: maximizing who you can be, and BYU is maximizing who
Speaker 1: they can be. Right now, they've won seven straight games.
Speaker 1: I don't know what seed line they're going to be
Speaker 1: on there. They are going to earn that double by
Speaker 1: next week in the Big twelve Tournament into the quarterfinals.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I kind of felt this way about the BYU team
Speaker 1: a year ago. They were a little bit more dependent
Speaker 1: on only the three point shot. Last year, this team
Speaker 1: feels a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more complete.
Speaker 1: If they're not knocking it down from the outside, they
Speaker 1: can go to the Trairi kid down low. Tufus didn't
Speaker 1: play much last night because it was an up and
Speaker 1: down game and BYU was getting out in transition. They
Speaker 1: didn't shoot it all that well. They were eleven of
Speaker 1: thirty two from three, which is fine, it's not great,
Speaker 1: but they were twenty five of thirty one from the
Speaker 1: free throw line. Richie Saunders in forty seven minutes knocked
Speaker 1: down all thirteen of his free throws twenty three point
Speaker 1: six boards, two assists. Make no mistake, he is their
Speaker 1: go to guy down the stretch. When by you needed
Speaker 1: a bucket. Kevin called downhill plays for Richie every single time.
Speaker 1: And that was a signature performance from Dollen Hall, who
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable high school player around here. You know,
Speaker 1: Mark Pope wanted Dollan to follow him to Kentucky, and
Speaker 1: Dallen entered the transfer portal initially after Mark left for
Speaker 1: UK and then decided to come back after sitting down
Speaker 1: with Kevin Young. But you can see why Mark wanted
Speaker 1: Dallan to follow him to Kentucky. He is a gritty,
Speaker 1: tough kid who's really improved his outside shot. He can
Speaker 1: knock down the three off the bounce and obviously off
Speaker 1: the catch, and he's got that nice little crossover double crossover,
Speaker 1: inside out move seven to thirteen from Lafloya had twenty
Speaker 1: two points, five boards, three assists, did have six turnovers,
Speaker 1: as did Diego. Devin Yegor had a tough time against
Speaker 1: the pressure, so much so that Kevin actually gave the
Speaker 1: ball to Doallen a little bit more than Yego. Demon
Speaker 1: Yego did have six boards and twelve points, but he
Speaker 1: also had six turnovers. Iowa State made a ferocious comeback
Speaker 1: and they started utilizing looked like a diamond and water
Speaker 1: a two two to one full court press with mostly
Speaker 1: man principles and they were blitzing every pick and they
Speaker 1: caused a lot of chaos and BYU was up twenty one.
Speaker 1: It was a weird game because at the start, BYU
Speaker 1: did not look ready. They were playing soft, they were
Speaker 1: getting pushed off their spots, they were turning the ball
Speaker 1: over and they couldn't make a shot, and Iowa State
Speaker 1: jumped on them, and it looked like that that environment
Speaker 1: might be a little bit too much for Brigham Young.
Speaker 1: But they flipped the script and it was kind of
Speaker 1: coinciding with the minutes that Dallen got. Once Dallen came
Speaker 1: into the game, he kind of set the tone and
Speaker 1: Iowa State through the kitchen sink at them. Iowa State's
Speaker 1: a good team, man, that was the top ten team
Speaker 1: and BYU goes to Ames and they get that win.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty wild what BYU has done as
Speaker 1: of late. I referenced all the great wins West Virginia has.
Speaker 1: BYU has a case right now that they have some
Speaker 1: of the best wins in conference Kansas, Arizona MC, and
Speaker 1: now Iowa State in Ames and they'll close out against
Speaker 1: Utah coming up in Provo. I do not know what
Speaker 1: the line for that game will be. My guess is
Speaker 1: it's going to be like you know, double digits. It
Speaker 1: is a rivalry matchup, so you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Of course, Utah beat BYU here in saw Lake not
Speaker 1: that long ago. But BYU is a buzzsaar right now.
Speaker 1: And Seth Davis, who I like a lot, tweeted out
Speaker 1: he thinks they're a final four team. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go that far because ultimately, try to predict the
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament is an exercising futility if you've ever tried
Speaker 1: to do it. That's why you can enter million dollar
Speaker 1: bracket challenges. If you get a perfect bracket, you get
Speaker 1: a million bucks because nobody ever does it. But the
Speaker 1: seed for BYU, according to Lenardi right now, is an
Speaker 1: eight seed, and he has them playing New Mexico in
Speaker 1: the first round in Lexington, and BYU would advance to
Speaker 1: play the winner of Tennessee Norfolk State. Tennessee is awesome,
Speaker 1: but BYU has to be considered a threat not just
Speaker 1: to win the Big twelve, but at least make a
Speaker 1: little bit of a run and in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 1: and give Kevin Young and his staff a lot of credit. Man,
Speaker 1: They're fun to watch, They're very complete, they can beat
Speaker 1: you in a bunch of different ways, and they have
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the Big twelve and
Speaker 1: Richie Saunders. They've got a couple of pros. Cannon catchings
Speaker 1: didn't even play last night. They didn't even need them.
Speaker 1: So impressive win for Brigham Young in Ames against Iowa
Speaker 1: State and a rough way for the Utah men's hoops
Speaker 1: team to go out in front of the fans on
Speaker 1: Senior and i We'll see if they can salvage something
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Speaker 1: normally I say no hits tracks deep tracks only. We
Speaker 1: follow the law of Andy Bernard. On the program today,
Speaker 1: Chris Camaraddie Live in studio, did you request the biggest
Speaker 1: of hits from the greatest jam band of all time?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Porter asked what I was in the mood for today,
Speaker 2: and I said I wasn't in the mood for anything,
Speaker 2: so he reverted to the mean. And the mean is
Speaker 2: is Dave. And sometimes there are hits. Sometimes you just
Speaker 2: have to go with it.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, you Porter for the hit. You produce
Speaker 1: this show every day. You're familiar with the by laws
Speaker 1: of the drive.
Speaker 2: I know deep tracks.
Speaker 3: It was very last second, as I was situating cameras
Speaker 3: and such, I came in here and we had one
Speaker 3: commercial but playing, so.
Speaker 2: I just had to act quick.
Speaker 1: Now it's all good man, it's Dave Matthews. I will
Speaker 1: I will admit to you know, back in the day
Speaker 1: you caught the Office live. It wasn't you know, something
Speaker 1: that you could watch on every every Thursday. And the
Speaker 1: Andy Bernard Uh, he was skating right, he was at
Speaker 1: like a classic skating gate. Yeah, he was on roller
Speaker 1: skates when he dropped the whole d MB no hits,
Speaker 1: Oh I I l o l c K I l
Speaker 1: o LD because it was perfect. Because you have to understand,
Speaker 1: I grew up with a lot of kids just like
Speaker 1: Andy Bernard. He is a perfect character for a lot
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Kids Ivy League, like.
Speaker 1: Sailor, not a lot of self awareness, not near as
Speaker 1: smart as he thinks he is, brags about the school
Speaker 1: he went to even though he was a legacy, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole Cornell bit. But when he dropped the whole
Speaker 1: like Dave Matthews band, No hits deep tracks, because that's
Speaker 1: what most day fans would say, like, oh, you don't
Speaker 1: know you don't really know Dave. Oh what do you
Speaker 1: think is the best song best Dave of album? Have
Speaker 1: I asked you this before? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, under the Table and Jam.
Speaker 1: See it's before these crowded streets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what day fans would tell you. Okay, Well, because
Speaker 1: Under the Table is too mainstream?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: It's BTCS, that's what we get. It's after he sold out,
Speaker 2: it is it is, God bless him. Going going back
Speaker 2: to our theme of last Week of nineties music, selling
Speaker 2: out is no longer a thing. Back in the nineties,
Speaker 2: you were like the Nirvana's Pearl Jams. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know Pearl Jam all that well, but I feel like
Speaker 2: they were kind of the poster child of what selling
Speaker 2: out was like. Wasn't didn't what's his face? Eddie Vedergan
Speaker 2: like mad because like some people thought one of his
Speaker 2: albums were too was to mainstream, so he got poudy
Speaker 2: about it. We just don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately selling out just means you're making money
Speaker 1: for your music. Now, I'll tell you what though, I
Speaker 1: do feel like so Porter is a country music fan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he refuses to listen to any country music artist
Speaker 1: who actually sells records. So I do think there's the
Speaker 1: sellout style on the countries, like Zach Bryan's sellout right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about this. My wife
Speaker 2: loves Zach Bryan, And anytime I send Porter like a
Speaker 2: John Prime song, He's like, Okay, now, this is this
Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Right, Like there's sellout in country music these days.
Speaker 3: Right, there's definitely like a fine line between radio country versus.
Speaker 3: What I would say is, yeah, it's it's like independent
Speaker 3: labels and that that's I mean, that is a genre
Speaker 3: that is kind of done it. But if you're trying
Speaker 3: to make pop music or trying to make hip hop music,
Speaker 3: I don't really think you have that option as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Porter constantly says I listened to non radio country, right,
Speaker 1: so there's that, you know, the hipster country people now
Speaker 1: starting to manifest themselves this country how to sell out.
Speaker 1: That's okay, because I came in one day, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: guess what I'm listening to? Some country man.
Speaker 2: I listened to Zach Bryan, and Porter's like sha and
Speaker 2: zaid like not it. Do you ever listen to Zach Bryan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I kind of reached my apex on Zach Bryan
Speaker 2: at the moment, but she is still riding that wave.
Speaker 2: So I just kind of have to tune out and
Speaker 2: do the listening to seagulls in my head and just
Speaker 2: tune it out.
Speaker 1: There you go, Chris Comerannie Live in studio, c K
Speaker 1: Happy ONNESA. Man, how you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I got a little voice thing, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we're working through it. And take a little time off
Speaker 1: so I know you can. That's why you're here. In fact,
Speaker 1: you want to just carry the hours. You want to
Speaker 1: interview you.
Speaker 2: I saw what the rundown is. It's me your guy,
Speaker 2: Bob's good vibes and coach way and coach way. Wow.
Speaker 1: So we got a heavy hitter line of Chris Comeranni,
Speaker 1: Pablo Maschiooni, Kylewit.
Speaker 2: I've always been kind of a leadoff hitter, you know,
Speaker 2: like a squib down the third baseline, beat it out
Speaker 2: and just do make havoc on the basis.
Speaker 1: Can you lay down a bunch?
Speaker 5: I can?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all that matters. So c K badding lead
Speaker 1: off do you think? And I'm gonna ask Kyle this.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma became I think the fourteenth major college football program
Speaker 1: to announce that they're not doing away with their spring game.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna do something different. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: look a lot like a pro day. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: some drills or whatever. But sc Nebraska, a lot of
Speaker 1: Florida State, a lot of big time college football programs
Speaker 1: have simply canceled their spring games. Roster. The roster number
Speaker 1: has been reduced to one oh five. When you play
Speaker 1: your first game, you can only have one hundred and
Speaker 1: five players on your roster. And I know that sounds
Speaker 1: like a lot, but that's down about twenty three to
Speaker 1: twenty four players. And if you make the playoffs, if
Speaker 1: you win your conference and you make the playoffs, that's
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen football games and you cannot add players
Speaker 1: during the season. Maybe at some point they'll find a
Speaker 1: mechanism for that. So I get it. If you're canceling
Speaker 1: your spring game as a result of the powers that
Speaker 1: be telling you you have to cut your roster. Do
Speaker 1: you think this is something that's going to be commonplace
Speaker 1: in college football?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it could be, but I think
Speaker 2: at a place like Utah, you won't see it happen
Speaker 2: because of the Ty Jordan Aaron Low effects. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think the proceeds from that game go directly into
Speaker 2: the scholarship fund or something along those lines, if my
Speaker 2: mind serves me correct. So I think Utah is a
Speaker 2: special circumstance. I think Kyle is a old school throwback
Speaker 2: kind of guy and wants to be able to see
Speaker 2: these guys play each other live. And I understand that
Speaker 2: even in recent years you've held out the ones for
Speaker 2: the most part, and that makes sense. But I think
Speaker 2: the fact that they made their spring game something that
Speaker 2: means more than just a typical spring game. I think
Speaker 2: Utah will probably write it out until their head coach
Speaker 2: decides they don't want to do it anymore. I don't
Speaker 2: see that happening under Kyle. But I mean I don't
Speaker 2: think like a pseudo pro day like flag football, kind
Speaker 2: of like a Pro Bowl style of an event. Isn't
Speaker 2: that bad of an idea because you simultaneously will be
Speaker 2: in theory entertaining your fans with a product that's supposed
Speaker 2: to be fun and engaging, and for head coaches who
Speaker 2: are all very paranoid, You wouldn't even necessarily need to
Speaker 2: tip your hand either, who's on what side of the
Speaker 2: ball you could have you know, your your center as
Speaker 2: the quarterback out there having fun. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 2: like I think eventually you could see the trend go
Speaker 2: in that direction.
Speaker 1: You know, it's actually to kind of stay in the
Speaker 1: space now that I'm thinking about it and what you
Speaker 1: just said as far as how you could cater it
Speaker 1: to just being more of a celebration of your program.
Speaker 1: Have the quarterbacks all compete against each other for throwing
Speaker 1: the ball through the tire or the target or whatever.
Speaker 1: Do kind of like a Pro Bowl type skill event challenge,
Speaker 1: because ultimately, as a head coach, you do not want
Speaker 1: to lose any of your players. And as a fan,
Speaker 1: you're not learning anything anyway.
Speaker 2: It's just an excuse let some fans think they are
Speaker 2: even when they're not breaking news.
Speaker 1: You're not, okay, It's it's just an excuse to call
Speaker 1: family on three and say, let's head up to rise
Speaker 1: cycles in all of our uteness. Yep, right, let's let's
Speaker 1: throw up the you okay, let's do the thing. But
Speaker 1: the game itself for me hasn't been interesting in I
Speaker 1: don't know a decade or more right as far as like,
Speaker 1: are we learning something about the schematics or the personnel?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Correct? I think I can't remember what the setup was
Speaker 2: like in twenty seventeen eighteen when it was like Tyler
Speaker 2: Huntley versus Troy Williams, good pull out. I mean I
Speaker 2: was on the beat back then, so like maybe that
Speaker 2: was one time where maybe it was worth it. But
Speaker 2: I agree. I just think like eventually you can see
Speaker 2: this whole thing be done away for a multitude of reasons,
Speaker 2: but I do think there is a way to if
Speaker 2: you want to simultaneously engage your fan base and make
Speaker 2: money off that, there is a way to do it.
Speaker 1: So we had a Rick Neuheisel on the show about
Speaker 1: a month ago, and I was with Rick up at
Speaker 1: this event that I am seed and I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Rick was a walk on. He walked on at UCLA,
Speaker 1: eventually became their starting quarterback and was very good. Played
Speaker 1: some minor league football, never played in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: and when we were talking about the new roster limits,
Speaker 1: because essentially, Ck, this is eliminating walk ons, like there
Speaker 1: will be no more walk ons. And the good news
Speaker 1: is there will be enough scholarships to carry through one
Speaker 1: oh five, Like you will have a scholarship if you
Speaker 1: want a college football team. Now, does eliminating the walk
Speaker 1: ons do anything to you? Does that say anything to you?
Speaker 1: Because new Heisl's the whole thing was like I was
Speaker 1: a walk on and I earned the starting job within
Speaker 1: two years. And we've seen a lot of walk ons
Speaker 1: earn jobs and you know, eventually earned scholarships. Doing a
Speaker 1: way with walk ons in college football? Does that do anything? Uh?
Speaker 2: I mean in this market, you could make an argument
Speaker 2: of it because you've seen so many guys be successful
Speaker 2: both at you know, BYU and Utah. But in order
Speaker 2: to keep up with the Joneses, I think eventually you're
Speaker 2: just gonna have to maximize your resources in NIL and
Speaker 2: just focus on that. And I know that's a total bummer,
Speaker 2: and I know it's a defeatist attitude, but if you
Speaker 2: are left in the dust, I don't see you crawling
Speaker 2: your way out of the dust. And the idea of
Speaker 2: walk ons, the you know, the Rudy story. You know,
Speaker 2: it's what everybody fell in love with when it came
Speaker 2: to like the undersized underdog and football making a name
Speaker 2: for himself. But unfortunately, I think we're in an era
Speaker 2: of sports where it's like if you have if you
Speaker 2: can't help the team immediately, you kind of are forgotten.
Speaker 1: I wonder so the ACC Florida Stanton Clemson, they ended
Speaker 1: the litigation on Tuesday and they've agreed to a settlement.
Speaker 1: The change of the league's revenue distribution model significantly reduces
Speaker 1: exit penalties, which ultimately is where this is going for
Speaker 1: members wanting to leave the conference before twenty thirty six.
Speaker 1: But Florida Staton Clemson are now going to be receiving
Speaker 1: a much larger piece of the pie. You think the
Speaker 1: Big twelve looks at this at all? And if they
Speaker 1: do look at it, who are the schools that actually
Speaker 1: will receive a bigger chunk?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's personally it makes sense. I
Speaker 2: don't know how fair it is, But if you are
Speaker 2: the Big twelve, it might make sense to deploy something
Speaker 2: like this. But you can deploy it with a out
Speaker 2: line saying that like it could be from a year
Speaker 2: to year basis, like a what have you done for
Speaker 2: me lately? You can measure the success of you know,
Speaker 2: the money generating sports, you know, football and basketball, teams,
Speaker 2: and then you could even go down the line. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's that cup or something that Stanford or Cal always
Speaker 2: win from having the most success varsity sports success, you
Speaker 2: could you could employ that kind of model to say,
Speaker 2: like who's been the most successful And obviously you're gonna
Speaker 2: lean it and teer it with the money making sports
Speaker 2: at the top. But the Big Twelve is so wonky.
Speaker 2: So it's like who stands out right now? I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody. I mean, PYU would probably
Speaker 2: be one of the stands out of standouts if you
Speaker 2: talk about like who's currently the most successful program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like everybody is just maximizing their
Speaker 1: own brand right in their own kind of piece of
Speaker 1: real estate. And if you look at essentially what the
Speaker 1: numbers say concerning the Big Twelve, it's Colorado who just say, look,
Speaker 1: we're tripling you every week three times the amount of
Speaker 1: eyes are on us than it is on you. And
Speaker 1: that's everybody, right, That includes Utah, that includes BYU, that
Speaker 1: includes Kansas State or Oklahoma State. It probably if there's
Speaker 1: anybody that has an ace in their hand, it's probably Dion, right,
Speaker 1: just because of the eyes.
Speaker 2: For sure, and I wonder if I think people will
Speaker 2: still watch Colorado this year, but I wonder if there's
Speaker 2: going to be a drop off without Travis Hunter, without
Speaker 2: Shad or Sanders, especially Travis. I think people were tuning
Speaker 2: in to see what this kid could do, and who knows,
Speaker 2: Maybe Colorado's going to be better all around football team
Speaker 2: this year, but there is a world in which Colorado
Speaker 2: could be better on the field and maybe get less
Speaker 2: eyeballs because they don't have as much top tier star talent.
Speaker 1: We did the exercise as far as the schools that
Speaker 1: probably have a little bit of leverage, and I did
Speaker 1: say at the time, I still think Utah is in
Speaker 1: that category. It just comes on the heels of a
Speaker 1: bad season. And we are in a growing media market.
Speaker 1: We've jomped in the Nielsen ratings, you know, over the
Speaker 1: past three or four years into the top twenty seven
Speaker 1: to twenty eight, I think, and with hockey here and
Speaker 1: as the you know, the market kind of continues to
Speaker 1: grow if we can get if the Millers pull off baseball.
Speaker 1: I've seen some people pontificating on the possibility of us
Speaker 1: being like a top fifteen or sixteen market. Only time
Speaker 1: will tell, but is Utah a school like they don't
Speaker 1: have the eyes Colorado has. Colorado doesn't have the recent
Speaker 1: run of success with Pack twelve championships and Rose Bowls.
Speaker 1: And yes, I'm asking you off the heels of a
Speaker 1: season where it didn't look great, But does Utah have
Speaker 1: a case to be made if the Big twelve moves
Speaker 1: into this model? Could Utah be one of the top
Speaker 1: shelf teams to ask for a bigger piece?
Speaker 2: They have to have a tremendous amount of success at
Speaker 2: the money making sports, which they have right Women's basketball
Speaker 2: is you know, impressive? I mean gymnastics is ski teamki
Speaker 2: I mean the Red Rocks make a lot, a lot
Speaker 2: of money at this school compared to some of the
Speaker 2: other schools in the country and in the conference. But
Speaker 2: you you just don't think you're ever going to be
Speaker 2: able to compete with Dion As long as he's in
Speaker 2: the conference. I just think he is the great equalizer.
Speaker 2: And no matter who's on that team, I think you
Speaker 2: will get eyeballs, You will get people wanting to be
Speaker 2: to pay attention to what's going on there. So I
Speaker 2: do think if Utah wants to be one of those teams,
Speaker 2: they need to get back to where they were at
Speaker 2: the tail end of their PAC twelve era.
Speaker 1: The BYU topic here is always fascinating because obviously Provo
Speaker 1: is not a media market that moves the needle at all,
Speaker 1: but BYU is a brand where everywhere they go they
Speaker 1: attract home fans basketball and football. In ames, Iowa last night,
Speaker 1: Kevin Young opened up BYU shoot around prior to the
Speaker 1: game to any BYU fan that wanted to come meet
Speaker 1: with the players, And from what I saw on television,
Speaker 1: it looked like there were hundreds of people there to
Speaker 1: meet BYU players. So not just football basketball. BYU I
Speaker 1: think was fourth in the Big twelve in ees per game.
Speaker 1: But the BYU brand is worldwide and it is undeniable. Right.
Speaker 1: It's not Notre Dame, even though you know some people
Speaker 1: want to compare the two, But is BYU just as
Speaker 1: a brand enough of a negotiating card for whoever's there
Speaker 1: ad to come to the table in this hypothetical to
Speaker 1: say we deserve to be among the top shelf teams
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because if you look at what happened even
Speaker 2: after they went independent, ESPN was like, we're going to
Speaker 2: partner with these guys by this vote, man, because we
Speaker 2: know that people are going to watch these games even
Speaker 2: if they're at eight forty five pm local on a
Speaker 2: Saturday night. BYU is one of the most unique fan
Speaker 2: bases in schools in the country for that reason. And
Speaker 2: if BYU's good and if they can sustain this, I
Speaker 2: think they're absolutely in the mix.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. If you're Bret your Mark
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the schools, the schools come you
Speaker 1: and say, we want the ACC model. We want our
Speaker 1: bigger brands to get a bigger piece of the pie,
Speaker 1: because that's the way capitalism works. Shout out Elon. I'm
Speaker 1: going out of town today, Man, I feel like misbehaving.
Speaker 1: Arizona or Arizona State. Who do you think is right? Like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of an odd one. Arizona State just won
Speaker 1: the conference. Arizona basketball is a massive rant.
Speaker 2: Football will always be kame.
Speaker 1: So you think Arizona State right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't. I mean, is Arizona the best
Speaker 2: team in the Big twelve right now?
Speaker 1: Houston? So yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think Arizona would have to be
Speaker 2: like a Duke or North Carolina level program, again, especially
Speaker 2: in this conference, in order for them to be able
Speaker 2: to swing their weight.
Speaker 1: Houston's kind of an interesting one only because of the
Speaker 1: market size. Dallas is like the number six market. I
Speaker 1: don't know where Houston is.
Speaker 2: Football is a non starter there. I mean maybe Willie
Speaker 2: Fritz turns it around.
Speaker 1: But like so yes football as of now. But if, if,
Speaker 1: if coach Fritz can get them into the top five
Speaker 1: or six their basketball team. I know you don't watch
Speaker 1: a ton of college basketball.
Speaker 2: They good.
Speaker 1: Oh it's like unfair. When Utah went and played them
Speaker 1: earlier this year, they the youths couldn't even get a
Speaker 1: shot off. At one point, I think Uti had three
Speaker 1: made field goals and eight turnovers box and one triangle
Speaker 1: and two that four passes. Gene Hackman, rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Hoosiers?
Speaker 2: You don't like it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wait, wait at wait wait wait wait wait. I remember
Speaker 1: I was at dinner with you and John Paul and
Speaker 1: you both said Hoosiers and Field of Dreams overrated, and
Speaker 1: you broke my heart.
Speaker 2: Best best basketball movie ever? I know you're ready?
Speaker 1: What fast break?
Speaker 2: Blue Chips?
Speaker 1: Blue Chips is an excellent movie. It is I will
Speaker 1: allow that.
Speaker 2: I rewatched it recently, and it is insane the amount
Speaker 2: of prescienceness or whatever, how prescient that movie was considering
Speaker 2: where we are now off the charts.
Speaker 1: Trey would be proud of you from using prescience because
Speaker 1: I am convinced that Trey has a word of the
Speaker 1: day pop up on some app and then he just
Speaker 1: tries to use it in converse. He loved Pressian is
Speaker 1: one of Trey's favorite favorite words. So yes, rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman, Hoosiers is a good movie.
Speaker 2: Dude, It's fine, It's fine. It it plays to a
Speaker 2: very specific audience of people. Let's just say that whites.
Speaker 2: I didn't say it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, hey, it's been it's been a pretty
Speaker 1: good year for the whites.
Speaker 2: About on the sports side of the shooters. That's who
Speaker 2: it plays to. Mainly whites. Shooters shoot shooters who don't
Speaker 2: really donk or do much. Four passes before you shoot? Uh?
Speaker 1: Anyway, Best Reporter, Best basketball movie of all time? What
Speaker 1: do you Got? I can tell you what it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not Coach Carter?
Speaker 3: What's the ray Allen one?
Speaker 2: Oh? He Got Game is very good?
Speaker 5: Is very good.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's the best, but it's my favorite.
Speaker 2: He Got Game is probably one b for me. But
Speaker 2: rewatching Blue Chips Nick Nolty, the kids don't know man.
Speaker 2: Once upon a time Nick would bring the heat, and
Speaker 2: he did in that movie. His Bob Knight impersonation is amazing.
Speaker 2: And side note, I recently came across a clip of
Speaker 2: Bobby Hurley on one of those barstool bro talk shows
Speaker 2: and he was talking about he was in Blue Chips
Speaker 2: because it was it was a Colbert Cheney Indiana team
Speaker 2: with Bobby, and he talked about how he talked about
Speaker 2: how Bobby Knight refused to fall any sort of script.
Speaker 2: He coached those scenes just like how he would in
Speaker 2: real life, and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'll have to go back and rewatch that
Speaker 1: air Bud not bad. Finding Forrester was horrible. Sean Connery
Speaker 1: is the coach.
Speaker 2: Some people will say white men can't jump.
Speaker 1: I love the white man, but I actually enjoyed Finding
Speaker 1: Forrester until the end when Sean Connery dramatically turns around
Speaker 1: to the young man he's coaching and he goes, you
Speaker 1: all the men now, dog, Like that sucks.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was.
Speaker 1: You all the men, no dog? It just it irritated
Speaker 1: me anyway, best basketball movie of all time.
Speaker 2: I still think it's Hoosier's Powerpool Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Uh what did it used to be?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: It was powerpol Tuesday. Wednesdays on the Bill and spent
Speaker 1: Show were a very special day.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh, okay or not? The answer is Blue.
Speaker 1: Chips, Blue Chips hot, Yeah, Hoosiers not.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not not hot. I mean rewatched Royal
Speaker 2: ten and bombs again recently in the wake of Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman's passing. Not a sports movie, but one of the
Speaker 2: best performances in a movie ever. Just holds up so amazingly.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you one. Gene Hackman as the football
Speaker 2: coach in The Replacements, absolutely very underrated Blue.
Speaker 1: Chips forty percent Rotten Tomatoes, serapol.
Speaker 2: Dude, are you kidding me? Nobody talks about the fact
Speaker 2: that they got Shaquille O'Neal and Penny Hardaway to act
Speaker 2: in that movie, and like that is right as they're
Speaker 2: starting to peak in Orlando too.
Speaker 1: That's true. Here's a hot take semi pro Will Ferrell's
Speaker 1: most underrated role, most underrated movie.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: You've got to watch semi pro. Okay, Whatody Harrelson's great
Speaker 1: in it. I have a list in front of me
Speaker 1: the top fifty eight basketball movies of all time. And
Speaker 1: they don't think Hilia Blue Chips. They don't think highly
Speaker 1: a semi Pro. I'm surprised you haven't seen Semi Pro.
Speaker 1: I think you'd like that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. It slipped through the cracks.
Speaker 1: The hell were we talking about?
Speaker 2: You have to see that movie.
Speaker 1: Of course c K derailed us. How do we get here?
Speaker 2: You were talking about something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember where were we for producer of
Speaker 1: this radio? Get us back on track.
Speaker 2: I think Chris brought up the weave something. Oh, you
Speaker 2: brought up Hoosiers And then I said, you were talking
Speaker 2: about how good Houston basket. There it is, guy O Buye.
Speaker 2: Parenthood might have fried my brain, but not that bad.
Speaker 1: This is called a man stone his thirties that has
Speaker 1: good habits. He's able to go He's able to go
Speaker 1: back and grab the piece of the conversation. No, the
Speaker 1: only reason I brought up Houston is that is a
Speaker 1: rather large market and their basketball program is awesome. But
Speaker 1: as we said, football is everything right now. So just
Speaker 1: the exercise of if the ACC has created a model
Speaker 1: to hang on to their top teams. Will the Big
Speaker 1: twelve do the same, because everybody wants to be in
Speaker 1: the Big ten SEC party, everybody wants to sit at
Speaker 1: that lunch table because they're clearly again New Orleans two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. They don't even apologize for it, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're having meetings, but it's just us. Sorry, wait, I
Speaker 1: thought it was P four.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: You guys hang out, the SEC and the Big ten
Speaker 1: are gonna meet, and then we're gonna tell you how
Speaker 1: things are gonna go. ACC's responses, we have to hang
Speaker 1: on at Clemson, Florida State.
Speaker 5: What do we do?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now we have a new model to make sure
Speaker 1: that if they leave, it's not as punitive, because at
Speaker 1: one point they were going to be paying like seven
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to leave the conference. Yeah, now that's
Speaker 1: down to like one thirty and then it goes down
Speaker 1: incrementally up until twenty thirty two. So I just wonder
Speaker 1: if the Big twelve is looking at this model, if
Speaker 1: they're saying, wait, we need to hang on to the Colorado's,
Speaker 1: the Utah's, the Byus.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know. I don't think historically historically with
Speaker 2: Florida State, and I guess recently too despite last year's
Speaker 2: debacle of a season, and Clemson, Like, these are two
Speaker 2: programs that carry way tern money for you. I don't
Speaker 2: think there are any programs in the Big twelve right
Speaker 2: now that are on the same level. The number one
Speaker 2: movie on this list, You're still on it. No, No,
Speaker 2: I do two things at once. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if your Brett, your Mark, are you
Speaker 1: worried about losing the top you know, your big, big
Speaker 1: time programs. The number one list movie on this list
Speaker 1: is something called the First Slam Dunk? Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of this?
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Number two is Hoop Dreams, which is.
Speaker 2: A documentary though okay, that's fine, but which I agree
Speaker 2: is Hoop Dreams was the first documentary that I ever
Speaker 2: remember watching, and I watched it in school and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is pretty heavy. It was watching school.
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome. Interviewed Arthur ag a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Randomly you followed me on Twitter. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: will you come on my radio? Because I've watched that
Speaker 1: probably two hundred times. I thought it was so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have Adam Sandler's hustle at for this list sucks.
Speaker 1: Hoo's your your guy jazz legend shout out Hoosiers is
Speaker 1: at six?
Speaker 2: Where's Blue Chips?
Speaker 1: I told you it's all the way. It's like at thirty.
Speaker 1: They don't like it. It's next to Semi pros.
Speaker 2: That is despicable man.
Speaker 1: You know the man now dog that put me in
Speaker 1: the worst I was watching the movie kind of liking it.
Speaker 1: I'll get back to Sean Connery. By the way, Who's
Speaker 1: Who's James Bond? In your mind?
Speaker 2: I mean, just because of the era that I grew
Speaker 2: up in, It's Pierce Brosny. But my dad is a
Speaker 2: big James Bond guy and loves Sean Connery.
Speaker 1: Connery's Bond to me? Who's Batman?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton forever? I've gotten into an argument with that
Speaker 2: correct answer. I've gotten into an argument with my friends
Speaker 2: about this ad nauseum. They are all about bail and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, dude, Yeah, bail is okay, Bail
Speaker 2: best Bruce Wayne, Michael Keaton best Batman?
Speaker 1: Okay, I can ride with that. But as long as
Speaker 1: Keaton's Batman, We're on the same for sure. All right,
Speaker 1: weird start. I'm leaving town, so I'm misbehaving. We're going
Speaker 1: to catch a quick break, but we got one more
Speaker 1: long segments. He K's carrying me through because I've got
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Speaker 1: in about one hour from now. If you're rolling your eyes,
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Speaker 1: No, I'm just looking because because I wanted, because it's
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Speaker 1: The uh he Got Game? Movie is not for children,
Speaker 1: so a Spike Lee joint. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: I saw that I probably was seeing for the first
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Speaker 2: Oh best or most quotable either, probably happy Gilmore. It's
Speaker 2: Gilmore and Madison one A one B for me.
Speaker 1: It will always be those two. Yeah, you're thinking too hard.
Speaker 1: I would probably go Gilmore one.
Speaker 2: I think I think I would too.
Speaker 1: See these lists suck Rotten Tomatoes. Best Sandler movie they
Speaker 1: say it's hustle. It's very not Did you like Uncut Gems?
Speaker 2: I loved it, but it stressed me out. I'll never
Speaker 2: watch it again.
Speaker 1: On Struggle, Oh, wedding singer also underrated?
Speaker 2: Okay, wedding singers in the mix. My my most underrated
Speaker 2: Sandler movies. Anger Management.
Speaker 1: Anger Management is excellent. Fifty first dates not great. Great
Speaker 1: song though at the end. Yeah, you sung with Drew
Speaker 1: barrymore Man. You're singing it smart. I was trying to
Speaker 1: fall back in love with her. I'm leaving town.
Speaker 2: So what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: All right? Chris com Ronnie live in studio. We did
Speaker 1: a lot of college college football last segment. Let's jump
Speaker 1: over now to little college hoops where Jeff Goodman, John Rothstein,
Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell, our very own Sean O'Connell.
Speaker 2: You want you want to throw Chris com Ronnie in
Speaker 2: the mix. Chris com Ronnie, are you reporting too? It's
Speaker 2: not done yet.
Speaker 1: I've been told wait, you haven't inside information. All right?
Speaker 1: All right, well then let's get serious here. Let's do
Speaker 1: some serious sports occurator on a Wednesday. Some journalism, so
Speaker 1: we have Rostein and Goodman are two of the main
Speaker 1: college basketball newsbreakers, and Sean has his sources as well.
Speaker 1: Alex Jensen is thought to be high speed ahead to
Speaker 1: Land and become the next head coach. Tell us what
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like the deal should be imminent in
Speaker 2: the next twenty four to forty eight hours, but it
Speaker 2: is not done yet, so these things take time. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Alex is active coaching the Dallas Mavericks. I think they're
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee tonight if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, everything
Speaker 2: is trending in that direction, as national and some other
Speaker 2: local reporters have already reported.
Speaker 1: Let's see, the Mavericks are in Milwaukee tonight. Alex is
Speaker 1: on that staff. Tim McMahon our guy Tony Jones on
Speaker 1: the show. They both have said they know that Alex
Speaker 1: is in the last year of his deal. I guess
Speaker 1: the MAVs decided to extend Jason Kidd but did not
Speaker 1: extend his assistance for whatever reason. So let's kind of
Speaker 1: stay in the space. So Chris Comrodnie, who has the sources,
Speaker 1: is reporting on The Drive Monday through Friday two to six,
Speaker 1: live everyday no exceptions, Alex Jensen is on the way
Speaker 1: to potentially be the next head coach for the Utah
Speaker 1: men's basketball team. Yes, these things are complex, Yes they
Speaker 1: take time. You hear a lot of people say that
Speaker 1: five years ago when Mark did it again, five years
Speaker 1: ago when Mark decided to move on from coach Kriskoviak,
Speaker 1: there were conversations with Alex, but they didn't go very well.
Speaker 1: Do you have any insight there.
Speaker 2: I it's not that they didn't go very well. I
Speaker 2: think Alex at the time, as you've alluded to and
Speaker 2: a lot of other people have alluded to, Alex was
Speaker 2: the first assistant on one of the best teams in
Speaker 2: the NBA, was credited with, you know, transforming one of
Speaker 2: the most awkward prospects in recent history into a now
Speaker 2: four time Defensive Player of the Year and future Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. And in twenty nineteen he interviewed for the
Speaker 2: Cavs job. So, like I think at the time, there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people that thought Alex was going
Speaker 2: to get a shot. And who knows, maybe if COVID
Speaker 2: doesn't happen, maybe if all of the things, if all
Speaker 2: of the if the yarn doesn't disassemble, the if things
Speaker 2: don't fray, if the Jazz stay good, if Donovan and
Speaker 2: Rudy stay here, there's a chance Alex isn't is a
Speaker 2: head coach in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think his exit was just a byproduct of that
Speaker 2: era ending much sooner than a lot of people expected.
Speaker 2: But now he's coaching on a team that you can
Speaker 2: argue has had the most snake bitten regular season in
Speaker 2: the history of the NBA. Maybe, I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: everyone's a victim to recency bias, but they are probably
Speaker 2: not going to make the postseason now, I would I
Speaker 2: would guess if Anthony Davis will probably not play the
Speaker 2: rest of the year. I think they're like in the
Speaker 2: tenth spot. And I know the Phoenix Suns are their
Speaker 2: own disaster, but I would imagine the Sons will eventually
Speaker 2: catch them because I don't think a team of Spencer
Speaker 2: Dinwiddie and let's see, I can get somebody else on
Speaker 2: that team. Don't tell me, is Dwight Powell on that team? Okay,
Speaker 2: Stanford grad Dwight Powell. So yeah, I just think we're
Speaker 2: in a different era now. A head coaching job in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve will pay you more than an assistant
Speaker 2: coaching job in the NBA, and I would imagine that
Speaker 2: that is part of this as well. You know, Alex
Speaker 2: is a Utah kid through and through. I know he
Speaker 2: didn't go to the I know he went to Bountiful's rival.
Speaker 1: He's lucky he went to Humont prior to nineteen ninety seven. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's be very clear about that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, his family loves it here, you know, they
Speaker 2: it I think the stars are aligning, and I think
Speaker 2: this is just speculation on my part. I think there's
Speaker 2: a reason, now if you can get this across the line.
Speaker 2: Why you know Mark Carlin and Utah decided to dismiss
Speaker 2: Craig Craig Smith when they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the timing makes a lot more sense when
Speaker 1: you learn that potentially they had their target mind all along.
Speaker 1: I wonder do you think, or maybe you know this,
Speaker 1: do you think Mark has kind of changed the way
Speaker 1: he's gone about this process because there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I don't I don't know this to
Speaker 1: be true, but a lot of people on the show
Speaker 1: and off the show have said, last time they're over
Speaker 1: to Mark about you got to hire a Utah guy
Speaker 1: or just met with deaf ears. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I have a problem with that, because you and
Speaker 1: I have discussed this quite Yeah, you and I have
Speaker 1: just discussed this quite a bit. Like all due respect
Speaker 1: to Josh Grant, who was one of the best to
Speaker 1: ever do it at Utah, Josh Grant was a dude,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's how I like to put it
Speaker 1: when it comes to good players.
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame interview on the Drive too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: bring him back more often.
Speaker 1: No, no, he Josh Grant could come. We can chop
Speaker 1: that up anytime. But Josh Grant back in the day
Speaker 1: was a problem. Like if he was born ten years later,
Speaker 1: he probably would have been a ten or twelve year
Speaker 1: NBA guy. So I respect Josh. He was a great player,
Speaker 1: and I do appreciate the candor and honesty that he
Speaker 1: brought to the show last week. But like I can
Speaker 1: remember a lot of friends of mine that played basketball
Speaker 1: at Utah, A lot of alums would talk about how
Speaker 1: they kept trying to call Larry Koskoviak and trying to
Speaker 1: offer help, and I either couldn't get a call back
Speaker 1: or he wouldn't answer the phone. And I would even
Speaker 1: say to them.
Speaker 2: Like dude, Larry or Craig.
Speaker 1: Larry, Okay, I'm going to land on the plane. So
Speaker 1: even back when Larry was around, I heard from a
Speaker 1: lot of like ute alums that they tried to get
Speaker 1: a hold of Larry and his staff to help and
Speaker 1: they didn't really get a lot of invites or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's not Larry's job. And so when Josh kind of
Speaker 1: dropped the same thing, like a lot of alums tried
Speaker 1: to call Craig and say, can we help and he
Speaker 1: said no, I've got this, Like I don't have an
Speaker 1: issue with that. Like Craig's job is not to cater
Speaker 1: to alums. It was to coach his team. But it
Speaker 1: was kind of the same feel about last time around
Speaker 1: when they were making this higher. According to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, they tried to reach out to Mark to
Speaker 1: say we need a Utah guy, and Mark wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: open to that. Avenue. Do you think something's changed or
Speaker 1: do you really feel like he thinks Alex is the
Speaker 1: right candidate?
Speaker 2: Now, I mean just my opinion, I think Alex is
Speaker 2: the right candidate because he is a guy who has
Speaker 2: ties to the university that can stimulate a donor base
Speaker 2: that badly needs stimulating. And he's a guy who's proven
Speaker 2: he coach. And we talked about this on the show
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. It's like it is not
Speaker 2: rocket science these days. Find a guy who can coach,
Speaker 2: and find a guy who can get money from donors,
Speaker 2: and then that that coach who can coach will use
Speaker 2: that money to go out and hopefully recruit good players.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, it's E equals MC squared whatever A
Speaker 2: plus BQ will see like it is that and that's it, period,
Speaker 2: end of story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and watching what the Kevin Young hire has done
Speaker 1: for BYU basketball in less than a year, I think
Speaker 1: it's a model that you got to look at because
Speaker 1: the sport's changed, and you know the ability that Kevin
Speaker 1: has and Alex has too to go sit in a
Speaker 1: living room with parents and most of these parents believe
Speaker 1: their kids are going to be pros, and the kids
Speaker 1: think they're pros at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old. I
Speaker 1: always tell this anecdote because I can remember John Calipari
Speaker 1: was interviewed prior to one of you know a UK
Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago, and the broadcaster asked
Speaker 1: cal how many pro do you have on your roster?
Speaker 1: And he said, I have twelve. Go ask them, Just
Speaker 1: go into the locker room and go ask them, I
Speaker 1: have twelve. They well, I mean they may have had.
Speaker 6: Four or five.
Speaker 1: Right, So all these kids think they're going to go pro.
Speaker 1: And so for Kevin Young to be able to go
Speaker 1: into aj Debounce's living room with his father and say,
Speaker 1: I heard your favorite player of all time is Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: There's his cell phone. Do you want to FaceTime him
Speaker 1: right now? Oh? I heard your favorite player is Kevin Booker.
Speaker 1: We're buddies. I'll text him, and you want an autograph,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul whatever, Alex can go sit in a living
Speaker 1: room and say, Luka, Doncic, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Rudy Gobert, Dodovan, Mitchell,
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward, Klay Thompson. Oh you like those players?
Speaker 2: G times on the list, it was an all star
Speaker 2: once a.
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Look Gordon Hayward. Prior to the leg injury, Gordon's last
Speaker 1: full year here, he was awesome. He was really good.
Speaker 1: That's why it sucked that he left after he got hurt.
Speaker 1: He never was able to recapture his form. He had
Speaker 1: a couple of decent years in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, too,
Speaker 1: Big Yo is on the list.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you wholeheartedly, and that is part
Speaker 2: of it as well. I've told you this for years.
Speaker 2: Man like Utah just hasn't had an enticing roster of
Speaker 2: players or an enticing style of play to pay for
Speaker 2: or to tune and watch periods consistently. Period. End of story.
Speaker 2: And I know Craig's hiring came out a flashpoint in
Speaker 2: college athletics. You know, he was hired I think in
Speaker 2: end of March twenty twenty one, and that is right
Speaker 2: when NIL started to take off. You're coming out of
Speaker 2: the real peak part of COVID fog. Craig didn't do
Speaker 2: a good enough job recruiting good enough players, period. End
Speaker 2: of story. Now, there's an argument to be made that
Speaker 2: he didn't have NIL resources at his disposal to do that,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, it's a resultspace business.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think you know that, I think
Speaker 2: most people know that. So now Utah, if they can
Speaker 2: get this over the line, they're relying on a piece
Speaker 2: of you know, the glory days, the heyday to come
Speaker 2: back and restore something that really hasn't been seen on
Speaker 2: a consistent level in.
Speaker 1: It years since Rick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty five years. Yeah, I mean just had the
Speaker 2: Larry blip in like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, decent years, you know,
Speaker 2: six sweet sixteen, run good, good, good run. But just
Speaker 2: looking at like ninety to like two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: they were in it almost every I mean, it was
Speaker 2: a surprise if Utah.
Speaker 1: Wasn't exactly exactly no, well said, and a surprise that
Speaker 1: they didn't at least win a couple of games. Yep.
Speaker 1: And I continue to say this, and you might have
Speaker 1: some memories. Even though I'm older than you are, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, man, if you're a ute student listening to
Speaker 1: the show, first of all, wow, because you have so
Speaker 1: much that.
Speaker 2: You can do that you're streaming for the internship ESPN
Speaker 2: seven hundred docars.
Speaker 1: We had Jalen Johnson as an interne's in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But do you want to be an NFL player? You
Speaker 1: should be an intern here.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But if you're a student listening to this, I'm blown away.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You just don't know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be on campus in March when your team is really good.
Speaker 1: It's really fun.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: It's it's a really fun time. I can remember during
Speaker 1: those days, we would plan our days around like where
Speaker 1: are we getting together to watch these games? The Utes
Speaker 1: playing the tournament today or it's the Sweet sixteen? Are
Speaker 1: we getting together? Like in the student body has an
Speaker 1: experienced in a long long time. You know what it's
Speaker 1: like when the football team is good and the muss
Speaker 1: is crazy impressive. But I just I would love that
Speaker 1: for this community because it was so fun when I
Speaker 1: was a student there in the late nineties. Is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things.
Speaker 2: And you guess the best player on the running Utes
Speaker 2: roster when I was there, I guess, yeah, my junior year,
Speaker 2: oh seven oh seven, Luca Derta. He wasn't the best
Speaker 2: player or one of the best others grateful with a
Speaker 2: nevill Johnny Bryant.
Speaker 1: Johnny Bryant was good player. Yeah he was a good
Speaker 1: league guard. Yeah, jack O Ledi had a good team
Speaker 1: bog But Boga was a Majeris recruit, right, because I
Speaker 1: think they went to the Sweet sixteen. But no, it
Speaker 1: has been since Rick. The consistency has not been there
Speaker 1: since Majeri's left. There's just no doubt about it. And
Speaker 1: I don't think this community has been invigorated or inspired
Speaker 1: by the program since then either leave, you know, save
Speaker 1: a few exceptions that you and I've already talked about.
Speaker 1: And Jack had one, Boylan had one, Larry had a couple.
Speaker 1: Craig really didn't, you know, they never went to the tournament.
Speaker 1: He had some decent wins Oregon, Arizona, whatever. But if
Speaker 1: we're honest, the consistent consistency as far as winning, entertaining
Speaker 1: style of play, and engagement from the community, it hasn't
Speaker 1: been there since Rick.
Speaker 2: Well and at the risk of sounding to Kurt like
Speaker 2: nobody really gives a rip about big wins in the
Speaker 2: regular season, exactly, what are your big wins? Come conference
Speaker 2: tournament time and getting into the dance.
Speaker 1: Well, and getting into the dance is the number one thing.
Speaker 1: You leave a lot of money on the table. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why college basketball is still a revenue generator
Speaker 1: is because of the tournament period. End of story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean still to this day. It is an
Speaker 2: equalizer in the sense that people who do not watch
Speaker 2: college basketball will tune in for the first and second
Speaker 2: round Exactly. People who do not watch college basketball will say,
Speaker 2: help me fill out my bracket. I have money on
Speaker 2: the line at my work pool. Like that is still
Speaker 2: going on. You don't really get that in any other sport.
Speaker 2: So I think that kind of transcends the cultural part
Speaker 2: of sports in America.
Speaker 1: All Right, before we take a break a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes here with Ck, because we want to make sure
Speaker 1: that Trey isn't just tortured by his own thoughts. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's do him a favor and talk to RSL because
Speaker 1: he's such a tortured person that if he hears his
Speaker 1: talking soccer it might distract him from his own mental
Speaker 1: illness and be happy for a moment. It was a
Speaker 1: young boy.
Speaker 2: Well I'm ready, but this was a prescient moment because
Speaker 2: you knew, Trey knew that we were going to talk
Speaker 2: about the lads.
Speaker 1: There's a compendium of things to talk about, shout out
Speaker 1: Gerald about RSL. First of all, let's just talk about
Speaker 1: a positive result home opener MLS Seattle I can't win here,
Speaker 1: which is pretty wild because very odd Like on paper,
Speaker 1: these two teams right now, Seattle should beat him every
Speaker 1: single time, agreed, But they roll in here and like
Speaker 1: they always do, they couldn't get anything started and RSL
Speaker 1: gets an own goal in the first half. Our guy
Speaker 1: Forrester right his second goal.
Speaker 2: Maybe you have your foster kit yet. Maybe they don't
Speaker 2: need a nine. Hey, I don't. And if you're listening, Tray,
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting. Maybe they don't need a nine. My guy,
Speaker 2: you're riding the good good vibess wave to nil. Yeah,
Speaker 2: give me your thoughts. A very odd own goal. I
Speaker 2: knew who looked knew who who is Sam Stayscal's favorite
Speaker 2: MLS player of all time because he's so entertaining to
Speaker 2: watch and goofy as you could tell on that own goal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: gives him a gift. I'm sure that definitely settled the nerves.
Speaker 2: I mean eight minutes in, Like you could imagine what
Speaker 2: American first field would have looked like if it was
Speaker 2: like the sixtieth minute and it's nil nil, it's the Riot.
Speaker 2: Sorry at the Riot. I was gonna say aff but
Speaker 2: I mean it's a different looking team when Oheita and
Speaker 2: Ellie are in the middle of the park together. Honestly, like,
Speaker 2: for sure, I think they're just better. I thought Quintin
Speaker 2: and Glad had a really good looking connected partnership. There
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of disconnectivity there, like a lot of
Speaker 2: strikers in previous games had maybe a little too much room.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a lot. And I know Seattle doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: play with the true number nine anyways, as you know,
Speaker 2: I mean Jordan Morris is really a true winger since
Speaker 2: they moved on from raul Ry Diaz. But they have
Speaker 2: a ton of good players to throw out at opposing teams,
Speaker 2: and they have so many diverse pieces now since adding
Speaker 2: your guy. Heyes, Susperrera, Yeah, I mean kind of false
Speaker 2: nine as you like to call Paul Ariola. Anyways, great result,
Speaker 2: but you got to make the move soon, man, You
Speaker 2: got to make the move soon, because these things take
Speaker 2: so much longer than people think. Like Oursel would conceivably
Speaker 2: have a guy that they might have offered already, but
Speaker 2: before you can get documents signed, before you start the
Speaker 2: visa process. Like Donny said it on your show earlier
Speaker 2: this week. Now, it's probably gonna be harder than ever
Speaker 2: to get an impact player in at an optimal time
Speaker 2: because of the function of the government right now. So
Speaker 2: like you, basically you can't go into May with your
Speaker 2: guy Forrester and rifpol as your two number nine. You
Speaker 2: just can't. Is there a striker in Greenland that we
Speaker 2: can look at or you know, based off the current line,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I like, where your head's at.
Speaker 1: Well, the window closes late April, yeah, right, so we've
Speaker 1: got about six weeks.
Speaker 2: Right, But if you, if you, let's say you get
Speaker 2: a move done mid April, how long before they get
Speaker 2: their visa? And then the acclamation process of training with
Speaker 2: people like you can't just come over here and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for my visa, like takes a long time.
Speaker 1: It is pretty wild. I don't think I ever really
Speaker 1: understood the process until Garth kind of outlet. He just
Speaker 1: outlined everything to me.
Speaker 5: He's like, this is.
Speaker 2: Exactly he dumbs it down for us. Dum dumb he does,
Speaker 2: he does, and you know, and.
Speaker 1: Then you hear the horror stories of how many players
Speaker 1: that they actually thought they had and it fell through
Speaker 1: and it wasn't because the player didn't want to come
Speaker 1: or they didn't want the player. There was some sort
Speaker 1: of piece of paperwork that didn't get done in time.
Speaker 1: And then the window closes in You're screwed. It's a nine, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's got to be a nine.
Speaker 2: It's got to be a nine. It maybe needs to
Speaker 2: be another like ten or winger, because I know, I
Speaker 2: don't know who. I don't know if Diogo has a
Speaker 2: guy in our friend group. I don't know if like
Speaker 2: Diogo is a JP guy, a FULK guy.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's still waiting, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: My point is is that like he gives big time,
Speaker 2: not even Robin vibes, like I don't even know what
Speaker 2: this Robin's sidekick is, but like he is not playing
Speaker 2: like the type of player that they're paying him to
Speaker 2: be or paid for him. So if it's doable, I
Speaker 2: think RSL probably needs to make two big moves. I
Speaker 2: think they need to bring bring in another winger or
Speaker 2: central attacking player because you're gonna play a bunch of games.
Speaker 2: And while the fans love Diego Luna, if Diego Luna
Speaker 2: isn't here long term, who is going to be that
Speaker 2: that lynchpin in the attacking midfield dominic Mark Zuke, you know,
Speaker 2: talented player has looked really good, but like he's I
Speaker 2: can't even think how many goals are assists he has
Speaker 2: since coming over to the club. Not many. I mean,
Speaker 2: Lachlan Brook seems just like a squad rotational player. If
Speaker 2: you're going to compete in the Western Conference, you need
Speaker 2: to have some dudes.
Speaker 1: You need to have dudes who love ball. That's the
Speaker 1: way I put it. Uh, Diego did have the assist
Speaker 1: on my guy for it, and it was great.
Speaker 2: It was a great ball. Yeah, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: like killer mentality, instilling fear in the opponent. Not it,
Speaker 2: definitely not it, And maybe it's there deep down. And
Speaker 2: Donny had a good point, Like I watched him play
Speaker 2: on those Copenhagen teams that were in Champions League and
Speaker 2: he was a great player, but he was a role
Speaker 2: player on those teams, Like he wasn't a guy who
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, we're going to bring in this dude
Speaker 2: to dictate the pace of a game for ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Fair enough before I set you loose. What do you
Speaker 1: know about San Diego, Not the city, but the team
Speaker 1: RSL is playing that.
Speaker 2: They've looked really, really good in the first two weeks.
Speaker 2: They do not look like an expansion franchise. They beat
Speaker 2: La Galaxy on their home turf and the opener. I
Speaker 2: think they were held to a draw last week in
Speaker 2: their home opener, but they have Chuq Chuqui Lozano who
Speaker 2: is a Mexican national team star, and.
Speaker 1: They will be no rollover for sure. San Diego has
Speaker 1: an MLS team. Why don't you throw your resume over there?
Speaker 1: What am I going to do there, dude, San Diego? Right,
Speaker 1: I have the time I land in San Diego. I say,
Speaker 1: why don't I live here?
Speaker 2: Correct? But I'm going to counter this with this. Every
Speaker 2: one of my friends who've ever worked for a club
Speaker 2: say it is very rewarding, but it is the most taxing,
Speaker 2: tiresome job in exist. If you work for the Jazz,
Speaker 2: you have to go to forty one home games, or
Speaker 2: maybe eighty two. If you work for oursel, you have
Speaker 2: to go to thirty four games, maybe thirty eight.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, man, dude, I'm you know, we
Speaker 1: can do an entire week of radio shows.
Speaker 2: I'm telling why.
Speaker 1: It is a complete farce that they have sold you
Speaker 1: you want to work in sports so badly. They're going
Speaker 1: to pay a thirty five K for ninety hours of work.
Speaker 1: Why do you think I do this every day? Why
Speaker 1: do you think I do what I do too? Che
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Speaker 1: I am the manager. I'm on the sidelines, and I'm
Speaker 1: waving Pablo off the pitch, and standing next to me
Speaker 1: wearing number nine, of course, is Jason Christ and I've
Speaker 1: decided to sob Jason in take Pablo off. Jason Christ
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday afternoon, Jay, how you doing, buddy.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. It took me a minute to catch
Speaker 5: what you were laying down there.
Speaker 1: Well, it usually does. I mean, that's part of our
Speaker 1: relationship for the better part of twenty years. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of one.
Speaker 5: Step ahead, right, Yeah, you definitely are. Your humor and
Speaker 5: your wit is definitely one step ahead of where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You know what, Thank you very much for that compliment.
Speaker 1: That's never happened before.
Speaker 2: Porter.
Speaker 1: Will you clip that sound and send it to my
Speaker 1: email please, I'd appreciate it. All right, Jay, let's start
Speaker 1: with the good home open our MLS style. Seattle rolls
Speaker 1: into town and you guys send them away with a
Speaker 1: two zero, win, the good, the bad? Would you like?
Speaker 1: What didn't you like?
Speaker 5: Please? Obviously please with the result. I think sometimes in
Speaker 5: this game you kind of would just take whatever result
Speaker 5: you can get. I felt it's strangely so, I felt
Speaker 5: that the group was under a bit of pressure, even
Speaker 5: though it's only our fourth game of this season and
Speaker 5: our second MLS game. I think we've set a different
Speaker 5: level of expectation amongst ourselves and amongst our fans that
Speaker 5: we don't you know that we don't have three poor
Speaker 5: results in a row, and that's what we essentially had.
Speaker 5: With the draw at Costa Rica perhaps being a semi
Speaker 5: positive one, but then losing against Santos away and then
Speaker 5: losing the game and not advancing in concacaff I think
Speaker 5: made us all a bit uneasy. So to get that
Speaker 5: result against Seattle was very, very important. I don't I
Speaker 5: wouldn't qualify the performance as one of our best, but
Speaker 5: I do think it was a very positive step for
Speaker 5: the team and a positive reaction to come back off
Speaker 5: those off those disappointments and get a much needed three points.
Speaker 1: If we were at a RSL season ticket holder dinner,
Speaker 1: and I was an RSL season ticket holder, and you
Speaker 1: were speaking and they open it up for questions, I
Speaker 1: might say something like, how can you tell me that
Speaker 1: you're taking CONCACAF seriously when you have two nines with
Speaker 1: very little professional experience and unfortunately unable to advance well.
Speaker 5: I would say that there's a lot more that goes
Speaker 5: into that than just the outside view that we don't
Speaker 5: have an experience nine. The fact of the matters, we
Speaker 5: thought we were going to have an experience nine. That's
Speaker 5: why we made the trade with the Red Bulls in
Speaker 5: the off season. In all of our free conversations with
Speaker 5: that player led us to believe that he was super
Speaker 5: excited to come. So to find out later that he
Speaker 5: wasn't going to come and didn't show up here for
Speaker 5: a preseason puts us in a completely different different point
Speaker 5: of view. So what we had expected to be sort
Speaker 5: of backup role players, young players coming off the bench
Speaker 5: for us, now are players that we have to rely on.
Speaker 5: And then put on top of that that one of
Speaker 5: them gets injured the day before the first Readiano game,
Speaker 5: and now you've got one striker in your entire roster.
Speaker 5: So it was not an ideal situation. But that doesn't
Speaker 5: mean that we didn't put our best foot forward and
Speaker 5: try to win those games, which I believe we did.
Speaker 1: So that leads to the next question. As a guy
Speaker 1: who made a living and scoring a lot of goals
Speaker 1: and looking forresters, had some bright moments. But your reference
Speaker 1: and I do want to talk to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the I think it's Ilias man well instead of Elias.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that in just
Speaker 1: a moment. But where we at with the progress? Kurt
Speaker 1: joined the program last week and said things are in
Speaker 1: the works, and obviously fans wondering if the number nine
Speaker 1: is on the way, are we getting close?
Speaker 5: I don't know that I could qualify it as close,
Speaker 5: but I would qualify and say that from what I see,
Speaker 5: Curtis is working extremely hard and our scouting department is
Speaker 5: working extremely hard to get something over the line there.
Speaker 5: But you know, I don't have a day by day
Speaker 5: check in on that situation. I just know that it's
Speaker 5: a very obvious and apparent focus for our entire club
Speaker 5: to get somebody in the door. I think that both
Speaker 5: the two players that the both the two strikers that
Speaker 5: we have in our roster have now played for us,
Speaker 5: which is great because we wanted to see Arif play.
Speaker 5: I know I would like to see him play a
Speaker 5: bit more before before kind of making any final judgments there.
Speaker 5: And I think both players are useful. I don't know
Speaker 5: that I would see, you know, either player at this
Speaker 5: very moment being somebody that we should rely on to
Speaker 5: be our weekend and week out starter and somebody that
Speaker 5: we is going to be a focal point for our attack,
Speaker 5: and somebody that we're going to rely on to score
Speaker 5: those goals. So the work is being done, and I
Speaker 5: believe that we will make a signing. It's just a
Speaker 5: question of when that signing will happen.
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say the expectation is prior to
Speaker 1: the window that closes April thirtieth, you will have a
Speaker 1: nine on the roster.
Speaker 5: Again, I think that that's that's where we are headed,
Speaker 5: and that's our objective. I don't think there's any reason
Speaker 5: to shy away from that. I just I just couldn't
Speaker 5: promise without, you know, without any uncertainty that we won't
Speaker 5: be successful, because you know, I've seen that happen many
Speaker 5: time before, where you you try to make things happen
Speaker 5: and it just doesn't. And I think the Ultimately, one
Speaker 5: of the mistakes that I've seen a lot of clubs
Speaker 5: make is to put themselves in a situation where they
Speaker 5: absolutely feel like they have to Because Garth was the
Speaker 5: one that used to say it, probably more than me,
Speaker 5: but you never want to do any harm. We don't
Speaker 5: want to sign a player that we don't really believe
Speaker 5: in and then having stuck on our roster for the
Speaker 5: next several years.
Speaker 1: Any any thoughts on other acquisitions. We're hearing potentially a
Speaker 1: winger on the way as well. Everybody's focused on the
Speaker 1: nine as a result of the moves you made, and
Speaker 1: as you reference the player who elected not to report,
Speaker 1: or but any other spots on the roster you guys
Speaker 1: are looking at too.
Speaker 5: I think we're really focused on that one spence. I
Speaker 5: don't think we're looking a whole lot in other areas.
Speaker 5: The good news is that you know whether or not
Speaker 5: we make this signing, and hopefully we will. We still
Speaker 5: have on top of that signing, we will have flexibility
Speaker 5: to improve this roster if we feel it's needed come
Speaker 5: the summer window.
Speaker 1: So you reference the situation, I thought it was Elias,
Speaker 1: but when Kurt joined the show, he said it's Ilias
Speaker 1: so Ilias, Manuel, Manuel. You know, the news comes down
Speaker 1: that you guys have made the deal, the release goes out,
Speaker 1: everything looks official. What happened, Jay, from your vantage point,
Speaker 1: how did this thing break down?
Speaker 5: Well, first, I'll say that I think you and I
Speaker 5: can call him Elias because we're not real happy with him.
Speaker 5: Whatever we want fair enough. It's a really strange one.
Speaker 5: I've never actually been a part of a club or
Speaker 5: a team where this situation, this kind of situation has happened.
Speaker 5: Because we did our due diligence. We talked to lots
Speaker 5: of people that have played with him, lots of people
Speaker 5: that have coached him before. We spoke to the player
Speaker 5: in depth about whether he was open to this move,
Speaker 5: and so all of our diligence was done, and we
Speaker 5: thought we had traded for a player that was happy
Speaker 5: to come here. What was left at the table was
Speaker 5: he had made the assumption that there would be a
Speaker 5: brand new, shiny contract for him, and we were We
Speaker 5: were not in that position. We were in a position
Speaker 5: that you're an MLS player, and this is how trades happen.
Speaker 5: You know, you come here and do well, then of
Speaker 5: course you know we will compensate you accordingly. But he's
Speaker 5: on a contract for several more years. So it was
Speaker 5: just a complete shock to us that that would happen.
Speaker 5: And then it comes to a point where you know,
Speaker 5: you're just kind of you're saying to the player, you
Speaker 5: know you should want to come here. We don't. We
Speaker 5: don't feel like we have to talk you into it
Speaker 5: or convince you that that this is your very next
Speaker 5: step should be. So ultimately, it all, it all broke down,
Speaker 5: and I think we came to a really good next option,
Speaker 5: which was to sell him to a different club.
Speaker 1: So help me understand, Jay, you know, as your reference,
Speaker 1: you have transferred him to a Brazilian club. You transferred
Speaker 1: him to a club in Brazil. Does this essentially mean
Speaker 1: that you guys came out more or less even on
Speaker 1: the transaction. I mean, was everything kind of restored to
Speaker 1: where you wanted it to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, At the end of it, we sell it
Speaker 5: very much that it was a zero sum thing for us.
Speaker 5: We did en up against college picks out of the
Speaker 5: situation that, you know, I think we'd say I feel
Speaker 5: very good about two to three of those picks that
Speaker 5: we made in a college draft this year, as far
Speaker 5: as becoming RSL first team number at some point and contributors.
Speaker 5: So we had a very good draft and some of
Speaker 5: that was because of that trade in fairness.
Speaker 1: You know, Forrester sc scored a couple of goals. Now,
Speaker 1: I think in the return match when Radiano was here,
Speaker 1: even though he got a goal, there were four or
Speaker 1: five opportunities where he just felt like he's got to
Speaker 1: put that away. But because he is playing, and because
Speaker 1: he has scored some goals, I mean, even though he
Speaker 1: went to Duke, which you know doesn't take a big
Speaker 1: IQ to get into Duke, we should give him a
Speaker 1: little bit of love. So what do you like about
Speaker 1: this young striker?
Speaker 5: Well, what I like is that he went to Duke. Okay,
Speaker 5: all right, now, I mean listen, he's he's got tools.
Speaker 5: He's got tools, he's got size, he's got speed, he's
Speaker 5: got strength, he's got he does have a very good
Speaker 5: knock around the goal. When you watch him in training sessions,
Speaker 5: he scores on a regular basis, whether that's small side games,
Speaker 5: medium sized games, eleven v eleven in training he's a
Speaker 5: regular scorer. So he's he's got that instinct, I believe.
Speaker 5: Now I think he lacks a little bit of some
Speaker 5: of the stuff that just comes with playing high level games,
Speaker 5: a high number of high level games, and he will
Speaker 5: only gain that through experience of playing regularly and playing
Speaker 5: at at a high level. So but yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: he's a he's an exciting player. I think we I
Speaker 5: saw the other night when he came off the bench
Speaker 5: against Seattle. I mean that was a great scenario for him,
Speaker 5: really really good scenario. When the game's a little bit
Speaker 5: more open and the opponent's a little bit fatigued, he
Speaker 5: can come in to make the difference and put the
Speaker 5: game away.
Speaker 1: So we had a Mecca on the show on Monday,
Speaker 1: And every time I leave an interview with him, I
Speaker 1: walk away just more and more impressed. I mean, he
Speaker 1: has a maturity about him for a young man that
Speaker 1: is very impressive. And obviously he's got all kinds of game.
Speaker 1: You once upon a time or the Captain's armband for RSL.
Speaker 1: That spot was filled admirably by the legend Kyle Beckerman,
Speaker 1: And there have been some different options Demir and such.
Speaker 1: What about a Mecca screams leadership to you, And why
Speaker 1: do you think he's the right guy to wear that armband?
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 5: Well, I think, first and foremost, it just comes through
Speaker 5: a Mecca's hunger to be a high level soccer player
Speaker 5: and to be the absolute best professional soccer player that
Speaker 5: he can be. He's he trains extremely hard. He you know,
Speaker 5: he comes in, he's the first one in the build bilding,
Speaker 5: he's the last one to leave because he takes this
Speaker 5: whole thing seriously. And then because of that, he leads
Speaker 5: by example. We are definitely working with him to become
Speaker 5: a bit more of a vocal leader, a bit a
Speaker 5: bit of a leader that can have more influence on
Speaker 5: more players around him, that can understand and learn how
Speaker 5: to direct the other players around him. You know, I
Speaker 5: look at him and think about I think about a
Speaker 5: Kyle Beckerman, and I think about when Kyle Beckerman when
Speaker 5: he first joined our club was a different Kyle Beckerman
Speaker 5: than he was when he retired. And a lot of
Speaker 5: that leadership capability and a lot of that strength, and
Speaker 5: a lot of that ability to influence others and communicate
Speaker 5: well with others and dictate where others needed to go
Speaker 5: came through experience. And so I think that a Mecca
Speaker 5: has a lot of same qualities. And you know, I
Speaker 5: don't think there's any reason why he shouldn't be a
Speaker 5: guy that could be here for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: You guys decided to make a moving goal, and I've
Speaker 1: not been able to talk to you since then. Ratha
Speaker 1: Cabral in Gad was sold. And then for some reason
Speaker 1: Zach decided to wait until like two weeks before the
Speaker 1: season for surgery. But that you can let me complain
Speaker 1: about that. But early returns Ratha Cabral and goal.
Speaker 5: What do you say, Jay, I've been very, very impressed
Speaker 5: with him, very impressed. I think he's been I think
Speaker 5: he's been good, arguably in all the games. Unfortunate that
Speaker 5: you know he's he's obviously conceded. We've we've conceded four
Speaker 5: goals against San Jose, we conceded a couple of goal
Speaker 5: against Arediano. But you know, in my opinion that if
Speaker 5: it had been a lesser goalkeeper between the pipes and
Speaker 5: those games, that San Jose game could have been six.
Speaker 5: So I think he made some fantastic saves. He's a
Speaker 5: terroristic character. He speaks English perfectly. He's a leader in
Speaker 5: the locker room. He's an unbelievable, unbelievably good professional and
Speaker 5: a good family man. So I think that was a
Speaker 5: great signing for us, and the early returns have been good.
Speaker 1: Before we get a thought on San Diego, who you've
Speaker 1: got coming up, you know, if we remove the dynamic
Speaker 1: that you have right now at striker, if we just
Speaker 1: kind of put that aside, and we all understand that
Speaker 1: best laid plans aside, reinforcements are needed and potentially on
Speaker 1: the way, there's a lot of depth everywhere else. Jay,
Speaker 1: And you know, as a result of losing in Conky CAF,
Speaker 1: you're not going to deal with the midweek stuff. But
Speaker 1: how would you or at least for a while before
Speaker 1: the Nation's whatever they're calling that Nation's Cup or whatever.
Speaker 1: A lot of cups in this sport, But how would
Speaker 1: you characterize the depth that you have on your roster
Speaker 1: other than the striker position right now? A lot of
Speaker 1: cups from too many cups, Jay, too many cups, too
Speaker 1: many cups.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called League's Cup. I would say I would
Speaker 5: agree with you. I mean the depths on this team
Speaker 5: and the number of players that I think the coaches,
Speaker 5: I always think about it this way, like how many
Speaker 5: players can the first team? Coaches really rely on how
Speaker 5: many do they feel like gat I don't have any
Speaker 5: hesitation of starting that guy next week, and that number
Speaker 5: is extremely high, and there's no doubt about it. I
Speaker 5: think this team has been built really, really well. From
Speaker 5: my perspective, this is the type of team that if
Speaker 5: you added to one to two real difference makers, I
Speaker 5: think we're talking we're talking upper upper echelon.
Speaker 6: Of the league.
Speaker 5: That's how deep and strong I think the competitive nature
Speaker 5: within this group is. That's how many high quality players
Speaker 5: we have, and in a lot of positions. So I
Speaker 5: think we're poised to make a few moves and become
Speaker 5: really really elite, really really quickly. The best way for
Speaker 5: me to describe really the roster would be this. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't think last year the coaching staff had to
Speaker 5: make one difficult decision about who made the twenty man
Speaker 5: roster for a game, and this week they've already had
Speaker 5: to make one. In our last game, they had to
Speaker 5: leave out a player that started two of the first
Speaker 5: three games for US this season. So they will have
Speaker 5: to make difficult decisions every week, and that's a good thing,
Speaker 5: all right, Jay.
Speaker 1: Before I say you lose, I have not been grinding
Speaker 1: on San Diego FC tape. So I will not pretend
Speaker 1: that I know a thing about them, but they did
Speaker 1: beat the Galaxy in their inaugural match, and they had
Speaker 1: a draw with a pretty stout Saint Louis side. That's
Speaker 1: the next opponent. What do you know about them?
Speaker 5: You know? The nice thing about that early afternoon game
Speaker 5: last week was that I got to go home and
Speaker 5: actually watch San Diego play at the night their first
Speaker 5: player home opener. Was very impressed, very very impressed. As
Speaker 5: the team that likes to keep the ball, they build
Speaker 5: out of the back all the time. I think they
Speaker 5: have a very similar style and game model to us,
Speaker 5: and that they want to be the dominant possession team
Speaker 5: and they want to create attacking goals coin chances from
Speaker 5: their own possession. So I'm looking forward to what I
Speaker 5: think should be a high quality game on Saturday, and
Speaker 5: I'm also looking forward to another positive three points for
Speaker 5: RSL Jason Chrice.
Speaker 1: You're just one of my favorite people friends. I just
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. I think so highly of you, your intelligence,
Speaker 1: your charisma, everything, So thanks for the time, man.
Speaker 5: Be good.
Speaker 1: That's in.
Speaker 5: I wish my wife was this nice than me. That's
Speaker 5: all I have to say.
Speaker 1: About that bes to Kim and the kids, see you buddy,
Speaker 1: all right, Jason Christ so ourself back and actually at
Speaker 1: San Diego, all right, show rolling along. It is not
Speaker 1: football season, but it's never a bad time to talk football,
Speaker 1: because spring football for the utes. Right around the corner.
Speaker 1: The headball coach himself, Kyle Whittingham on a Wednesday afternoon,
Speaker 1: Coach wit, how.
Speaker 6: Are you, sir doing well? Smithcer? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. I always appreciate your time. So
Speaker 1: just kind of take us behind the scenes a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's this time of year? Like, what are the boxes
Speaker 1: you're trying to check? Prior to the beginning to spring
Speaker 1: ball here in.
Speaker 6: Just a couple of weeks, well, last couple of months,
Speaker 6: we've been in what we call winter player development. It's
Speaker 6: primarily in the weight room, you know, getting bigger, faster
Speaker 6: and stronger, and then on the field doing agility work
Speaker 6: and that type of thing and mixed in with some
Speaker 6: football walkthroughs at the NCO allows you to do. So
Speaker 6: that's been since they got back in early January for
Speaker 6: school up until next week. Will we go into spring break,
Speaker 6: that'll put an end to that. Then when we get
Speaker 6: back from spring break, we have a couple days of
Speaker 6: review and then we start spring ball on Thursday, the
Speaker 6: twentieth of March.
Speaker 1: You know, it's no secret, coach that you guys have
Speaker 1: a lot of roster change over, and even when you
Speaker 1: have good years, now you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 1: roster changeover because of the nature of the sport. How's
Speaker 1: the process been to get the new coaches up to
Speaker 1: speed with what you want them to do and get
Speaker 1: the new players to understand as you always say, mentally
Speaker 1: they need to understand what you're asking them to do,
Speaker 1: and physically they need to be capable of doing those things.
Speaker 1: What's the process like integrating the new pieces.
Speaker 6: I think, relatively speaking to where we are in relative
Speaker 6: to the time of year, I think we're right on track.
Speaker 6: We've got the offense essentially put in and now it's
Speaker 6: just reviewing it and making sure we, you know, get
Speaker 6: his mental opportunity to expose him to it as possible.
Speaker 6: It's been a very good transition with the new coaches.
Speaker 6: We have three new coaches on the offensive side, and
Speaker 6: of course with coach Beck and his new scheme that
Speaker 6: he's brought in, the players have really embraced that defensively.
Speaker 6: Pretty much business as usual, you know, no change over there.
Speaker 6: The scheme has remained the same for years and years,
Speaker 6: and it's you know, as far as the basics, we
Speaker 6: tweak a little bit here and there, but I think
Speaker 6: based on you know, where we are early March as
Speaker 6: a team right now, we're in good shape.
Speaker 1: So we had Jason Beck on the show. It was
Speaker 1: funny get to know him not too long ago, and
Speaker 1: I asked him the question, Kyle point blank, is Devin
Speaker 1: Dampierre your starting quarterback? And he said he is. So
Speaker 1: I will take the opportunity to ask you. For a
Speaker 1: fan base that's always wondering who's going to be starting
Speaker 1: to understand the plan moving forward? Is Devin right, Devin
Speaker 1: Dampier under center?
Speaker 6: Well, if we played today, he would be the guy.
Speaker 6: So he's obviously got a great grasp of the offense
Speaker 6: having been in it in years past, and so it's
Speaker 6: nothing new to him. He's like having another coach on
Speaker 6: the field right now. He's just you know, completely versed
Speaker 6: in what we're doing and so you know, he's doing
Speaker 6: a great job. Isaac Wilson is really entrenched right now.
Speaker 6: Is number two now that's not to say that can't
Speaker 6: change because everything's a competition. But Isaac has done a
Speaker 6: nice job assimilating the new offense as well.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Kyle, I'm sure you know this.
Speaker 1: More than a dozen teams have straight up canceled their
Speaker 1: spring game. The latest to do it, Oklahoma is changing
Speaker 1: their just kind of there the way they go about it,
Speaker 1: but USC, Alabama, Ohio, State, Texas, Nebraska as well, they've
Speaker 1: just punted on spring games. Is that anything you guys
Speaker 1: have discussed up there as far as what to do
Speaker 1: with the spring game.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and that's still a discussion. And right now as
Speaker 6: we speak, a spring game in its format that our
Speaker 6: fans and players are used to through the years is
Speaker 6: still in place that could be subject to change based
Speaker 6: on it how things go through spring, you know, if
Speaker 6: we get thin at certain positions or you know, there's
Speaker 6: things that can change that. And so at the moment,
Speaker 6: spring game is is a go. But I'm not going
Speaker 6: to rule it out just you know, circumstantially down the
Speaker 6: road depending on what happens.
Speaker 1: Well, And look, I wouldn't blame I don't want to
Speaker 1: see it go away because ultimately all of us just
Speaker 1: enjoy the spring celebration of your program and covering the
Speaker 1: game and just kind of being together and talking football
Speaker 1: is the fun thing we get to do as far
Speaker 1: as my little spot in this ecosystem. But I completely
Speaker 1: understand Kyle, because the roster limit changes things, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: one oh five on game day and at last count
Speaker 1: you had one oh nine that might be uped as
Speaker 1: of now. So is the new roster limit something that
Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind? I mean you always
Speaker 1: have to keep player safety in mind. In the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, you guys have just been riddled with
Speaker 1: bad luck and bad injuries. How does the new roster
Speaker 1: limit change? It feels like walk on to oh on
Speaker 1: a way, Right, You're going to get scholarships for all
Speaker 1: your players, But how does the new roster limit change
Speaker 1: the way you have to approach your job.
Speaker 6: Well, it's a big impact and the roster limit as
Speaker 6: of now, nothing is set completely in stone, but it's
Speaker 6: looking like the roster limit will need to be adhered
Speaker 6: to by your first contest, which would be August thirtieth
Speaker 6: for US, the UCLA game, and so we would be
Speaker 6: able to train more than the one oh five during
Speaker 6: summer summer conditioning and then during fall camp, but then
Speaker 6: you have to be at one oh five. So essentially
Speaker 6: you're going to have to make some cuts after fall
Speaker 6: camp to get to that one oh five number, because
Speaker 6: I don't know anyone that's going to go into fall
Speaker 6: camp with one oh five because if you get guys
Speaker 6: injured and you don't have guys in the bullpen, so
Speaker 6: to speak, you're not going to be able to be
Speaker 6: at one oh five healthy bodies. And so most teams
Speaker 6: I believe, will go into fall camp with one hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty hundred and twenty five guys, and then when
Speaker 6: you get to that first game, there'll be you know,
Speaker 6: a certain amount that of weed it themselves out due
Speaker 6: to season ending injuries, and hopefully not not many, but
Speaker 6: it's it's it's you know, bound to happen to some teams,
Speaker 6: and then you just choose your best one oh five
Speaker 6: at that point, and unfortunately, there's gonna be some guys
Speaker 6: that worked hard through camp that just aren't going to
Speaker 6: have that opportunity. And that's how you have to do it, because,
Speaker 6: like I said, if you start at one oh five,
Speaker 6: you know, just through attrition, you're gonna you're gonna fall
Speaker 6: below that, and you know that's already a razor thin
Speaker 6: number to be able to operate. So so to me,
Speaker 6: that's how most teams are gonna go about it well.
Speaker 1: And you know, Kyle, if you're able to win the
Speaker 1: conference and make make it to the postseason and be
Speaker 1: a playoff team, you could play seventeen or eighteen games,
Speaker 1: and without the ability to add two during the season,
Speaker 1: that feels like a small group. I know listeners are
Speaker 1: probably think one hundred and five, that's plenty of players.
Speaker 1: But this is not a contact sport, coach, as you know,
Speaker 1: this is a violent sport, and every week you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose guys, and so without the ability to add two
Speaker 1: during the season, does one o five feel a little
Speaker 1: bit low to you?
Speaker 6: Very much so? And it was, you know, our understanding
Speaker 6: initially was that you had the one oh five, you know,
Speaker 6: in the first game, and then if you had season
Speaker 6: ending injuries, you could replace those guys. Now they're saying, no,
Speaker 6: that's not going to be the case. And so that
Speaker 6: one oh five can get you know, into the high
Speaker 6: to mid nineties real quick. And you know, college football
Speaker 6: we have you know, pretty much everybody operates with the
Speaker 6: scout teams that you know give the look. You know,
Speaker 6: your scout defense gives the offensive look, and vice versa.
Speaker 6: And so as you start to creep those numbers down,
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to think about more of an NFL
Speaker 6: model where it's self serve, where the offense services of
Speaker 6: the defense and vice versa, rather than having the full
Speaker 6: on scout teams.
Speaker 1: How has the new model changed your job day to day?
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking about this. You know, you obviously
Speaker 1: have Robert Blacken as your general manager. Is there a
Speaker 1: portion of this coach that has taken a little bit
Speaker 1: off your plate because you have to have other people,
Speaker 1: you know, more of a pro model with some of
Speaker 1: the guys that are in charge of the find answers,
Speaker 1: guys that are in charge of recruiting. You've always had
Speaker 1: recruiting coordinators. But does hiring a guy like Robert as
Speaker 1: your GM and the infrastructure you have in place, does
Speaker 1: it actually allow you to maybe focus more on coaching
Speaker 1: than you know, having to be in charge of literally
Speaker 1: every piece of information and every piece of logistics when
Speaker 1: it comes to Utah.
Speaker 6: Football, Well, it's helped the assistant coaches stay out of it.
Speaker 6: They've been able to stay out at the business end,
Speaker 6: and they just focus on making each guy in their
Speaker 6: room better and in coaching them up and getting them
Speaker 6: ready for the season. I still have my hand in everything,
Speaker 6: and that's not going to change. I mean, I don't
Speaker 6: know any head coach in the country that's at least
Speaker 6: right now going to completely turn over personnel to this. Again,
Speaker 6: at the collegiate level. Pro level is a whole different deal,
Speaker 6: and you have those full blown personnel departments. We're still
Speaker 6: building that. You know, we don't have a you know,
Speaker 6: quite demand power yet that we would need to be
Speaker 6: able to do that. But as the head coach in college,
Speaker 6: you're going to find most of us, most of the
Speaker 6: head coaches completely involved in personnel decisions and making sure
Speaker 6: they're monitoring what's going on on that side of the
Speaker 6: ball as well as the pure football end of it.
Speaker 6: But again for assistant coaches, we try to keep them
Speaker 6: completely out of the business end and just in the
Speaker 6: football end.
Speaker 1: I see, how are you, as a delegator coach getting better?
Speaker 6: You know, it's been a process, yeah, and twenty one
Speaker 6: years into it now, I guess I've learned a few
Speaker 6: things in that regard and I'm more, you know, just
Speaker 6: letting a few things go, not letting them go, but
Speaker 6: turning them over to other people and just being able
Speaker 6: to trust them and make sure, you know, I feel
Speaker 6: good about that it's going to get done. And that's
Speaker 6: that's been something that you know, I have gotten better
Speaker 6: and I still could probably do a better job of it,
Speaker 6: but you know, just I am who I am, but
Speaker 6: I'd say I've made improvement in that area.
Speaker 1: Catching up a coach with headball coach U Taugh football
Speaker 1: a couple weeks away from Utah springball, you reference UCLA
Speaker 1: opening game. Haven't been able to kick the ties with
Speaker 1: you on the schedule since I came out. But my
Speaker 1: main question is October eighteenth, Saturday at BUYU. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, coach, I feel like that
Speaker 1: should be during rivalry week. I like it either beginning
Speaker 1: or the end, and it's smack dab in the middle
Speaker 1: of October. What were your thoughts when you saw the
Speaker 1: release and the game against Brigham Young was October eighteenth.
Speaker 6: Well, it wasn't the first thing I looked at. I
Speaker 6: can tell you that it's obviously we take them in
Speaker 6: order as they as they unfold. And we've got a
Speaker 6: big one at UCLA on the thirtieth against a really
Speaker 6: good Big Ten opponent. I mean, they struggled last year,
Speaker 6: but there's no shortest of personnel down there, I can
Speaker 6: promise you that. And so they'll be athletic, they'll be fast,
Speaker 6: they'll be well coached, and so it'd be the second
Speaker 6: year in their coach Foster. And you know, we got
Speaker 6: to be turning all our attention, all our you know,
Speaker 6: all our focus on that obviously. But you're right, you know,
Speaker 6: we do have a rivalry game, and it would seem
Speaker 6: to make sense that would be put at the end
Speaker 6: of the season. But so far the Big twelve has
Speaker 6: not got to that point yet. I don't I haven't
Speaker 6: had discussion with him and say, you know why, But
Speaker 6: right now, that's something that they have not implemented.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this moves the needle for you at all,
Speaker 1: because obviously the leaders of the SEC and the Big
Speaker 1: Ten continue to meet without everybody else in college football,
Speaker 1: to dictate what the future of college football is going
Speaker 1: to look like, and there it seems like they're kind
Speaker 1: of calling the shots. They want to expand the CFP
Speaker 1: with more aqs for their conferences. And obviously, and you've
Speaker 1: been front facing and honest about this. If you are
Speaker 1: not part of that lunch table, you and you're in
Speaker 1: a safe landing spot at and P four conference. But
Speaker 1: is there any concern as a member of the Big
Speaker 1: twelve what the Big ten and the SEC seem to
Speaker 1: continue to try to do with this power play?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know if concerns the right word, but
Speaker 6: I think that we don't have much say. I mean,
Speaker 6: they're they're they're the power brokers and and that's just
Speaker 6: how it is, and and they're going to, you know,
Speaker 6: be the ones that call most the shots. I don't
Speaker 6: I don't see any other way around that. I would
Speaker 6: like it to get to sixteen teams as full Bowl playoff.
Speaker 6: And I've been saying that they will get there eventually
Speaker 6: for a lot of years, and people say, oh, it's
Speaker 6: not going to be you know, for several years. But
Speaker 6: here here we're looking at going from twelve to sixteen,
Speaker 6: you know, very soon. And so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: But answer your question, I mean, they're the guys that
Speaker 6: have the most clout, have the most say, and that's
Speaker 6: just you know, at least at the present and during
Speaker 6: the present time in this president setup, that is not
Speaker 6: going to change in the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: All right, coach, before I say you loose, I aw
Speaker 1: was appreciate your time. You know, I didn't cover the
Speaker 1: story of whether or not you would come back very
Speaker 1: much because in my mind, Mike, he's a coach that's
Speaker 1: under contract. He simply could just continue to coach. It's
Speaker 1: his job. But there was a release that was made
Speaker 1: indicating that you were coming back. So I just for
Speaker 1: our listeners, I think they would be very curious to
Speaker 1: know what you juggled after the season, what you kind
Speaker 1: of processed, what you went through before landing on Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to keep doing that.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, you juggle everything, and you and your process everything,
Speaker 6: and so it's it's not any one thing. I can
Speaker 6: tell you. One of the overriding factors, and one of
Speaker 6: the more factors that was way more heavily was you know,
Speaker 6: the disappointing season that we had and the way that
Speaker 6: things unfolded and and get into our fifth QB and
Speaker 6: all that stuff. I me, it was just very frustrating.
Speaker 6: But but again, nobody feels sorry for us. I'm not
Speaker 6: trying to to uh you know, create create sympathy or
Speaker 6: anything like that. It was just as frustrating as things were.
Speaker 6: It you know, would have left a bad taste in
Speaker 6: my mouth to have that be the you know, the
Speaker 6: final goal around and so that that was a big factor.
Speaker 6: But again everything was involved my energy levels. Uh, you know,
Speaker 6: what's best for the program and that that ultimately is
Speaker 6: the most important thing, is what's best for the program
Speaker 6: going forward. And uh that's uh, you know, that was
Speaker 6: a big part of the decision.
Speaker 2: Swinging a golf club at all. Say that again, you
Speaker 2: swinging a golf club at all yet you're just waiting
Speaker 2: for the weather.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, not yet. That'll that'll come after
Speaker 6: spring ball. But you know through through the end of
Speaker 6: spring ball. It's all football, all.
Speaker 1: Right, my friend, Well, thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 1: As always, it's always a pleasure. Best of luck and
Speaker 1: hopefully we can do it again soon.
Speaker 6: Okay, Spencer, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: There is coach wait, head coach of the Utah football program.
Speaker 1: We are just a couple of weeks away from spring ball.
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff there, as Kyle, you know, he he indicated
Speaker 1: that the conversations going on around Utah, right now do
Speaker 1: include potentially shifting away from the what Utah calls a
Speaker 1: twenty two forever game the spring game. I've always enjoyed
Speaker 1: the spring game. I've always enjoyed spring football. I mean
Speaker 1: from a content creation standpoint. When you're covering the team
Speaker 1: as a sports socc radio host, you always just want
Speaker 1: things to talk about. But Oklahoma became the latest team
Speaker 1: to adjust their spring football kind of ethos. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a spring football event, but it's not going to
Speaker 1: be a game. As of now, USC Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and Nebraska have either canceled or shifted their spring game paradigm.
Speaker 1: And I get it, man, one oh five roster limit.
Speaker 1: You know, that's down from about one twenty eight. Every
Speaker 1: player will be able to receive a scholarship. It does
Speaker 1: eliminate walk ons, which is thirty percent of college football.
Speaker 1: There'll be about two thousand kids that don't get to
Speaker 1: play college football this fall because of the new roster limit.
Speaker 1: So some challenges for coach Wit and that's staff up there,
Speaker 1: but I always appreciate his time. So we roll on
Speaker 1: coming up on the other side on a Wednesday drive
Speaker 1: right here on ESPN seven hundred. All right, that'll do it.
Speaker 2: Final segment of the program today, and Porter, I hate
Speaker 2: to tell you this, man, but uh, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I've had it. Can't take it anymore, dude, four hours
Speaker 1: of this every day for basically twenty years. No, I'm
Speaker 1: I got to figure out something else do with my time.
Speaker 1: So so I'll listen to all the listeners. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for all you've done and your support, but I'm gone. Man,
Speaker 1: that's enough.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna start like a wellness retreat or something
Speaker 3: I should?
Speaker 1: I should become a corcial media wellness influencer. Males that
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Speaker 1: So that's it. I've had it. You can take this
Speaker 1: job and shove it. Just kidding. I'll be back Monday,
Speaker 1: but I am out tomorrow. I am out on Friday.
Speaker 1: I love this job, I love our listeners, I love
Speaker 1: doing this every day, but I am going down to
Speaker 1: a very cool thing. I have never been to a
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event before, and I'll be at bay Hill
Speaker 1: for Arnie's tournament, and you gotta check that with my brother,
Speaker 1: so pretty excited. So I will be out tomorrow and Friday.
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell and Porter Larson will have you covered, So
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Make sure to give them your ears and
Speaker 1: your attention. So Porter, the table is yours. What comes
Speaker 1: our way on a Thursday edition of this radio show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, as you mentioned, Scott will be fill in
Speaker 3: for you. He'll be at Overtime Cards and Collectibles live
Speaker 3: out out there in Sandy, So if you want to be,
Speaker 3: if you want to meet the lefty Scott Mitchell, he
Speaker 3: will be live from Overtime Cards and Collectible Sam Bruckhouse
Speaker 3: talking some NFL draft, Tony Jones, talking some basketball. Will
Speaker 3: of course get the latest on the run youthes, maybe
Speaker 3: some spring football with Scott and then maybe maybe force
Speaker 3: him to talk a little hockey too with our friend
Speaker 3: Neil Smith, and we'll go from there. Also on remote
Speaker 3: on a Friday. We'll let you guys know about that
Speaker 3: as it goes.
Speaker 1: All right there you go, so enjoy Scott and Porter
Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday, and I'll be back Monday. Love you
Speaker 1: I was teasing, Love the job, love the listeners, and
Speaker 1: we'll do.
Speaker 5: It for us.
Speaker 1: Special thank you to Chris com Ronnie, Jason Christ and
Speaker 1: Coach Witt. If you miss any of the sound website,
Speaker 1: podcast page app all the things. He's Porter. I'm Spence.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your Wednesday night. Talk to you on Monday, Porter
Speaker 1: and Scott tomorrow on Friday. Right here on ESPN seven
Speaker 1: hundred