WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.520 You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:08.359 Tonight's account is from two physicians that are also amateur 3 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:11.880 Bigfoot researchers. You'll hear about how they went deep into 4 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.679 the California wilderness, what they've found there, and also what 5 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:20.839 happened when they went up to eastern Washington. What happened 6 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:23.679 there wasn't just weird, as you'll soon hear. This is 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:26.760 a story of Curtis and David, the doctors who came 8 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.960 back believers. So stay with us, all right, big the Society. 9 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.079 You've got the privilege of talking to Curtis and David today. 10 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:38.000 They are both physicians and also both friends, and they've 11 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:41.520 come on the show to share some interesting Bigfoot related 12 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.799 experiences they've had in the last few years. So, gentlemen, 13 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.439 welcome to the show. How's it going today, and great, 14 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.520 thanks for having us. Jeremiah, nice to meet you, get 15 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.759 to talk to you, Jeremiah, absolutely, And just so that 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:02.399 our listeners can associate the different voices, Curtis, how. 17 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:03.079 Are you doing today? 18 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:08.680 I'm doing great, perfect, And David yourself doing good, awesome, 19 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.959 very good, very good. Well, guys, we were just talking 20 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:16.959 a little bit beforehand, and it sounds like you have 21 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.040 actually kind of prepared a way to present this, so 22 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.640 you know, what I feel might be good is I'm 23 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.319 going to hand it over to you guys. You can 24 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.560 present your experiences and then maybe we'll chat a bit 25 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.480 about it and I might have some questions for you afterwards. 26 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:34.920 Perfect. 27 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.239 Thanks. So I'm Curtis again for those out there, and 28 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:43.359 just a quick little introduction. And David and I have 29 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.239 been friends since I was trying to think the other day. 30 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.640 I think he was eight and I was ten or now, 31 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.120 both in our early sixties, so we've been friends for 32 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:59.640 over fifty years. Probably during the summers between when I 33 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.640 was ten at eighteen, we probably spent every day together 34 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:06.719 at each other's houses. We went on vacations with each 35 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:11.039 other's families. I think David considers considered my mom his 36 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.639 second mom, and I considered his mom my second mom. 37 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:19.560 So we're kind of brothers slash friends and have been 38 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.800 so for so long. Once we became doctors and had 39 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.000 young families, we kind of drifted apart, partly because our 40 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.599 work schedule, family schedule, and I lived in a different state. 41 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.240 But we, you know, get back together every few years. 42 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.000 And we were the kind of friends that, you know, 43 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:38.599 we might not have seen each other for a couple 44 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.479 of years, but when we got back together, it was 45 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.000 like no time had we been apart. In the last 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.479 few years, our careers have kind of stabilized, we were 47 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.560 both established, our kids have grown up, and we started 48 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.479 maybe ten years ago, getting back together every year or 49 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.759 so to go on a guy's trip. And so our 50 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.800 friendship has rekindled and gotten even better over the last 51 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.599 ten years or so. 52 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.479 Yeah, it's been. I mean we've been best friends since 53 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.719 we were you know, so young and stuff and always 54 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.400 considered i mean new roommates from college, actually went to 55 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:22.639 the same medical school together and were you know, always 56 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.599 considered him, you know, my best friend through life. So 57 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:31.159 it's been it's been great. And so when Curtis, you know, 58 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.360 I called him up one time and said, hey, let's 59 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:37.039 get together and let's go do something. 60 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.039 And so I knew David had an interest in bigfoot. 61 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.240 He growing up, he was very interested in a Native 62 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:50.039 American lore, probably read a book a week on Native 63 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.879 American history, and I knew he had an interest in bigfoot. 64 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.599 I probably did not have much of an interest in bigfoot, 65 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.960 and then of course, finding Biggerfoot came out, and that 66 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.680 made me even much more of a skeptic. But about 67 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.520 three and a half years ago, my wife and I 68 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.960 had the opportunity to go to Napaul and we were 69 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.800 hiking towards Evers base camp and our guide was a 70 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:19.279 Buddhist monk and he asked us if we wanted to 71 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:24.439 go see a Buddhist ceremony and just to you know, 72 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:28.199 show interest in the local culture. We said yes, and 73 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.480 we went to this ceremony and it was you know, 74 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.519 obviously we didn't understand a single word, but it was 75 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.079 still very amazing. And afterwards we were drinking tea and 76 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.480 he asked us if we wanted to see something special, 77 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.480 and he took us over to the back of the 78 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.000 temple and there was a box that kind of looked 79 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.639 like a about the size of a fire extinguisher box 80 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.480 that you might inset in the wall or something, and 81 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:55.720 it was about that big, kind of just hanging on 82 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.879 a big pole, and it was locked up, and he 83 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.920 unlocked the case and open it up and there was 84 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.560 a skull and a hand of a yeti, and he 85 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.160 gave us a little bit of the background, and you know, 86 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:13.759 by his story, the Yeti had helped the original Buddhist 87 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.079 monk there like three or four hundred years ago to 88 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.040 build that temple, and then when the Yeddi died, they 89 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:24.160 took his bones and kept it inside the temple. And 90 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:29.319 the skull was probably maybe fifty percent bigger than a 91 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.519 human skull. It still had a scalp on, it still 92 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.360 had some short brown hair about an inch long. And 93 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.079 then the hand is what really caught my attention. I'm 94 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.040 an orthopedic surgeon, so I know hand anatomy pretty well, 95 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.759 and the hand looked just like a human hand. It 96 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:47.839 did not look like an ape's hand, but it was 97 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.720 about twice as big as the typical human hand. I 98 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.399 couldn't touch this, it was behind glass, but I was 99 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.720 looking at it from six inches away, and so my 100 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.480 interest suddenly peaked. And when day Would called in January 101 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:04.160 of twenty twenty two and said, what are we going 102 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.319 to do for our guys trip this year, I said, 103 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.560 why don't we go see if we can find Bigfoot. 104 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.600 So that's kind of how we got started. 105 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.480 Yeah, my interest in Bigfoot, you know, been you know 106 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.920 a little more purises. But like I said, I was 107 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.639 Native American history was what I was interested. I was 108 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.639 the Indian when you played cowboys and Indians read a 109 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.720 lot of history with that. I knew that Native Americans 110 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:33.680 had different names for for Bigfoot, you know, like Sasquatch, 111 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:38.800 Harry Mann, you know, wild wild Man or you know, 112 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:44.720 great brother. They. I had seen pictures of their kith 113 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:51.000 marketings and things they've done. I saw the Patterson Gimblin film, 114 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.480 you know, saw the shows like you know most everyone else, 115 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.079 you know, finding big Foot now big Foot, that condition 116 00:06:57.839 --> 00:06:59.959 and things like that. I had heard of Teddy Rose 117 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.319 Roosevelt's story that you had written in his book before 118 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:07.879 he was president of the you know, the trappers. One 119 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.319 of them got killed in the camp, you know, by 120 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:13.000 a big foot and it felt footprints and things like 121 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.600 that back in eighteen hundreds. So it's always been out 122 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:20.600 there for me. And so Curtis came over for my 123 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.879 fiftieth birthday. You found a bunch of bigfoot stuff on 124 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.839 my DVR and really didn't. That's when we first realized 125 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:33.040 we both had a little interest, you know, with so 126 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.399 we said, well, let's go, let's we'll find Bigfoot down 127 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.480 in twenty two. I said, well, I'll start doing some 128 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:43.160 research on it, and I went to the BFRO and 129 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.879 found it was looking over California. After we start local, 130 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.519 I mean, we're definitely rookies. But most of this was 131 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.480 just a you know, hey, we're going to get together. 132 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.959 You have my best friend and I'm going to go 133 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.639 backpacking and camping and spend some time together. But in 134 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.120 the mean time, Neil, we'll say, what hey, we're going 135 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.240 to go look for bigwood. So bfros Side looked up 136 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.360 in the Siskiu, you know Siski area, which is up 137 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.639 in the north west California, same area where Bluff Creek 138 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.160 was Willow Creek and all that, and with the history 139 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.600 of all that, and with it showing the most A 140 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.800 type sidings in California, they said, hey, let's book there. 141 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.040 And I started looking on you know, mapp being and 142 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.079 trails and you know camp you know, interesting areas, and 143 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.040 I always wanted to find places with you know, with 144 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.799 water and out as far away from everybody as we could. 145 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.519 So I found this on the Smith River. It's called 146 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.080 a Kelsey Trail, and I said, hey, that's where we're 147 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.279 going to go. So that's how we decided on the 148 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.840 first spot. And so we go driving out there, and 149 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.720 it's probably twenty five miles east of Crescent City, and 150 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.480 then you go six miles out on a dirt road 151 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.840 and end up at the trail head, and then you 152 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.919 back back in about six miles where we ended up 153 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:02.519 at our base camp at that time. 154 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.279 And around the base camp we spent the first three 155 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.279 or four days hiking all around. We went up and down. 156 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:13.600 We had camp right by this creek. We went up 157 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.720 and down the creek, we went clear to the Smith River, 158 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.840 went off trail, and yeah, all sorts of places, and 159 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:25.120 didn't really find a whole lot. And then David had 160 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:29.399 been looking about our third or fourth day at his maps, 161 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.960 and he realized that that even though there was only 162 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.559 one way in and one way out on this South 163 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.480 Kelsey trail, that a branch of it had crossed the 164 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.279 creek and we hadn't been up that way, and so 165 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.879 he suggested, you know, since we hadn't really found much 166 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:48.679 in the first three or four days, and we weren't 167 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.159 unhappy by any means. I mean, like David said, this 168 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:56.399 was called a bigfoot finding trip, but really we fully 169 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.200 expected just to go backpacking and you know, camping our 170 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.200 best buddy. But Anyway, he found a branch of the 171 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.080 trail had crossed the creek, and so we decided to 172 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.799 do that about like I said, our fourth or fifth day, 173 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.799 and that's when we started finding some interesting things. 174 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.240 Yeah, the trail was heading more into the wilderness area 175 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.360 from where our base camp is. When we first got there, 176 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:24.080 like you said, there's only one trail in, so we 177 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.159 set up game cameras you know, at the on the trail. 178 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.159 At the we knew who was coming in or what 179 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.200 was coming in there. So we the whole time we 180 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.159 were there, we only met one guy came in on 181 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:38.840 one day. We talked to him. He was coming in able. 182 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.720 We met him when he was coming in for one 183 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:42.440 night and we talked to him and he went out, 184 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:46.120 so we knew when he was there and we knew 185 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.639 when he left. But we went up so we was 186 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.879 crossed this creek. We're hiking probably two more miles into 187 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:56.879 the wilderness direction, and we're trying to be really observant 188 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:03.440 to require were you know, thing smelling, you know, walking 189 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.480 and looking for things, and we start finding things on 190 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.519 that other side. When the first ding it hers found 191 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:12.200 there's like twelve foot high big branch that was broken 192 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.720 and bent down towards the trail of ninety degrees. Then 193 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:17.480 they got a picture of that and he's trying to 194 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.120 reach up and it's you know, it's really high. And 195 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.120 now that's strange, Well, how did that happen when there's 196 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.240 nothing on the ground that fell on it or broken. 197 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.240 The branches above it are intact and the branches below 198 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.480 it are intact. And was feeling like, well, what broke that, 199 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.200 you know, we don't know, could have been anything, but 200 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.480 we couldn't give an answer to that what we were 201 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.519 finding in the area. So we keep going on and 202 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:43.440 we found a rather the strangest thing I found was 203 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:49.080 that this tall, big tree. It was probably about you know, 204 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.679 on the five inches diameter, Kurt, would you say, And 205 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:52.200 it was. 206 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.440 Five or six inches diameter, yeah. 207 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.840 But it's probably like thirty or forty feet long, and 208 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.720 his point uphill. But the bottom of that was like 209 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.720 about five feet in the air wrapped it was wrapped 210 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.240 with these other trees, and it was they were twisted 211 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:10.960 around it and holding it up in the air about 212 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.120 five feet off the ground. And we look around and 213 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.960 we're looking for spunks and where the hector this thing 214 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.320 come from? And how's it being suspended in the air 215 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.080 about five feet and how would that happen naturally? You know, 216 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:26.080 but it was definitely this. We had a picture of 217 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.759 the branches being wrapped around it and holding it up 218 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:30.960 in the air. We didn't figure out where it came from. 219 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.120 We didn't figure out the spunk we knew was pointed 220 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.679 up there. There was a game trail going right by it, 221 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.759 so that was really strange when we first found that one. 222 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.840 Yeah, and the wrapping did not look like a vine 223 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.840 had grown around the tree. It looked, you know, you 224 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:51.399 could tell that the vine or branches were twisted to 225 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.759 hold the tree up. And you know, a thirty foot 226 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:59.320 tree that's five or six inches in diameter, I mean 227 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.039 probably is two hundred pounds or more. I mean, could 228 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.799 a human have done that, sure, But it was just 229 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.360 sort of our first besides any tree breaks, our first 230 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.240 you know, unusual finding. And we kind of went deeper 231 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.120 into the into the forest and this was all off 232 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.240 the trail. So we took that trail, like David said, 233 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.840 about two miles from our base camp. But then we 234 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.399 went off onto a game trail and started finding these things. 235 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.000 I think the next thing we found we found two 236 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:32.919 trees probably I don't know, fifty yards apart that had 237 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.840 branches laid up against them. And these branches were not 238 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.440 from the tree itself. You could tell one of them 239 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.679 was like from a man's anita bush or something. It 240 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.759 was completely red and the tree was, you know, nothing 241 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.039 like that. And they were just leaning up against a tree, 242 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.639 kind of like a lean to and they weren't really 243 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:57.919 big enough to have anything sleep under it. But it 244 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.519 was just kind of a weird finding and and sort 245 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:04.519 of even before before going on this trip, and since 246 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:08.080 we've seen other people who've shown videos of that, and 247 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:11.120 I think it's even been in expedition Bigfoot. So we 248 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.440 found a couple of trees with leaning branches. And then 249 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:18.200 our next finding, there's probably about one hundred yards away 250 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.480 from that, and again we're off trail in the middle 251 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:26.720 of the wilderness. We came upon this dwelling, this primitive 252 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.080 shelter that looked just like an igloo. It was probably 253 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.879 five feet tall four feet tall, about six to eight 254 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.120 feet wide, maybe eight feet long, kind of about the 255 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.600 size of a three person backpacking tent, and it had 256 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.960 an opening at one end and none of the branches 257 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.679 had been cut by a saw or an axe, and 258 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.360 they were all woven together. So this you took definitely 259 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:58.519 took hands to make. Yeah, they weren't just leaning against 260 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.960 something like a lean to. They were woven to give 261 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.039 strength and stability. So we started thinking, you know, our 262 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:10.440 first thought was as doctors, we always like to rule 263 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.000 things in and rule things out. Our first thought was, 264 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.720 you know, someone's been staying here, some person. But then 265 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.000 we started looking for signs of humans being there. We 266 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:27.919 looked inside and there was no bedroll or anything. Whatever 267 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.120 had slept there had slept right on the twigs and 268 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.559 branches and pine needles right on the ground. You could 269 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:38.879 see a depression in there. And then we started looking 270 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:43.240 for a fire pit, because most humans when they're camping, 271 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.360 we're going to have a fire pit, if not for heat, 272 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:53.919 at least for you know, comfort, something to watch it, companionship, whatever. 273 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.559 And there was no fire pit. And then yeah, I 274 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.600 think David came up with the idea, hey, there's got 275 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.639 to be tracks around here, somewhere, and we started looking 276 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.399 because even the cleanest humans are going to leave some 277 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.480 evidence that they were there. And there were no wrappers 278 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:15.240 or twin or plastic or pop tops or anything. There 279 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.919 was no trash whatsoever. And then we kind of expanded 280 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.960 our search and we probably got forty or fifty feet 281 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:29.720 away and we saw sort of circumferentsial around the whole dwelling, 282 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.159 six or eight piles of scat. And these piles of 283 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.399 scat looked, you know, that it was shaped like a 284 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:42.240 like human scat would be, but it was probably twice 285 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:47.639 the diameter and probably two to three times the volume 286 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.759 that a human would make. And these were placed all 287 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.759 around the camp, maybe every thirty or forty feet, And 288 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.000 at first we thought it was just sort of random. 289 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.799 But someone has you know, since the adjusted to us 290 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.079 that maybe whatever lived there was using it as a 291 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.480 as a boundary marker. And I don't know, have you 292 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.279 do you know who Beans Baxter is in Alaska? I 293 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:15.279 don't know if you know him. Yeah, absolutely, he happened 294 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.759 to hear about our story and he sent me a 295 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.319 video of some scat he found in Alaska and it 296 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.680 looked exactly like that, and he thinks that that scat 297 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.000 is from an Alaska Bigfoot. The other interesting thing about 298 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:34.119 the scat is that there was no toilet paper and 299 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:38.400 no moths, no leaves, nothing was used to to clean 300 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:44.720 whatever did the scat. So here we find this dwelling, 301 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:51.680 this iglo like permanent primitive shelter with scat all around it, 302 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.920 with no other signs of humans have ever been there. 303 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:01.599 So you know, that was just a crazy finding that 304 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:02.359 we found. 305 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.880 But our way out, so yeah, we we spend quite 306 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.319 a bit of time there with that one. So on 307 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.759 the way out, another thing we found on was the wallet. 308 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:14.640 And I've seen, you know a lot of these things. 309 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.759 You don't like, you say, we're rookies at it, but 310 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.759 we see these things and we've never heard of those 311 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.559 things being happened in another Bigfoot you know, information or 312 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.720 videos or whatever. But then we start, once we start 313 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.640 seeing these things, then we start seeing others. Hey, we 314 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.960 saw that, that's what you know, That's what it was. 315 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.759 When we sucked. You know, there was this horizontal suspended 316 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.640 tree that you know, it was a horizontal tree that 317 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.880 was weaved between in a tree and it was perfectly 318 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.720 horizontal and it was like probably what'll you say, for 319 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.440 twenty feet long, Yeah, just perfectly weave between the branch. 320 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:55.000 I go, how does something naturally get that perfectly lead 321 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.880 between these three and just fall on, you know, in 322 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.039 there like that, and we can figure it out. You 323 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.240 got a picture this thing out there. 324 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.920 So that was a second tree that was off the ground. Yeah, 325 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.319 all on the same side of the creek. 326 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.680 So and I saw another one that I saw another 327 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.400 video since then I saw it that it was a 328 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:17.119 bigger tree that was horizontal like that, and I go, 329 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.000 that almost looks exactly like our tree, just bigger, you know. 330 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:26.680 So that was interesting. But as we're walking, we were 331 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:33.160 walking out, you know, from there, we noticed you I've 332 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:36.279 always been here some tracking and things like that. And 333 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.599 I read a lot of Tom Brown Junior's books and 334 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.759 learning tracking and part of the observation of nature was 335 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.000 looking through things and looking at the open spaces between things, 336 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.319 and so I try to do that. And I noticed 337 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:53.559 this area of wetness about thirty yards off the trail 338 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.240 as we were heading out, when I told herds, I'm 339 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.920 always looking for track traps and things like that, and 340 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.400 I go, hey, there's some wet over there. Let's go 341 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.359 over there and see what we can see and expecting 342 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.279 like the tracks of something, you know, a lither deier 343 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.079 or whatever's in the area doing it. So we go. 344 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.359 But it's about thirty years there's there's bushes in between us, 345 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.039 and we have to work our way through it. We 346 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:21.839 get over there and there's probably a there's a It 347 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.160 wasn't like a river or a creek or anything going. 348 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.519 There's just as wetness of area, probably about forty by 349 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:33.079 fifteen feet or something like a pool size area of marsh. 350 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.279 They have water and we give about you know, probably 351 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:39.640 only three or four inches deep in there. And you 352 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.640 get over there and we you don't have to walk 353 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:44.319 through it. I mean you go ten feet to the 354 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.519 left and we actually walked around it to get the 355 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:48.359 other side, or you go ten feet to the other 356 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.759 side and walk on dry land. We get over there 357 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:52.759 and we walk around. We look in there and here 358 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:58.799 we find three footprint. There are steps of tracks of 359 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.400 something walking. There's three of them. There's first one in 360 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.480 the right at the edge, or the second one like 361 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:07.559 about you know, a foot or two later, and then 362 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.799 the third one it is like it's really literally four 363 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.519 feet further in steps into right in the middle of 364 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.680 the marshy area. And then there was not another one leaving. 365 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.240 It was about four feet out. So whatever had walked 366 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:26.039 on there had made you know, two initial steps and 367 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:28.960 then a big step and then another step out and 368 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.640 we were pretty amazed at that. We're going, hey, these 369 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:35.559 are actual footprints. We took pictures compared to ours, and 370 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.599 we were again rookies and didn't gray a measuring tape, 371 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.240 but we compared our foot size to that, and it 372 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.680 was about twice a week to you know, Curtis's foot 373 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.359 and we were both wearing size thirteens, and so there's 374 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.640 our shoes are about thirteen inches and it's about three 375 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:55.200 inches longer. So it was pretty close to about sixteen 376 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.200 inches you know, long and about six you know, six 377 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.880 inches wide, so as what we thought. And but the 378 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.119 interesting thing is it's not we're trying to say, okay, 379 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.200 did someone come walking through there? And I'm like, why 380 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.160 would a human being walk through here when you can 381 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.200 go ten feet to the right, Why would you get 382 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:17.000 your boots all due like that? And we're trying to say, well, 383 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:20.480 how can you make a step that's four feet and 384 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:24.079 you know, the four foot step straight? And I go, 385 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.880 there's no, there's no slippage. There's no someone's not running, 386 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.640 because if you run and land step in mud, you're 387 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.160 gonna there's gonna be some slippage. Of stuff. It was 388 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.720 just like normal, just steps in there. And the crazy 389 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.440 thing was about that is we went back because now 390 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.480 we're really interested and we're you know, say, hey, we 391 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.160 found something in here, you know. And we went back 392 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.720 the next day to go look at it again, and 393 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.079 that third one in the middle of the marsh was 394 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.640 had disappear then it was gone to the picture. Well, 395 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.359 that's the interesting So what that tells me was that 396 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.559 whatever had walked there had there within twenty four hours 397 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:03.599 of the time that we've been there. Otherwise that step 398 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.680 would have been gone so fairly recently done. So that 399 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.039 was pretty exciting for us. 400 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.839 Yeah, so something something with sixteen inch feet and you know, 401 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.759 David and I, like you said, our shoes are thirteen inches, 402 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.440 took three steps to get across a fifteen foot marsh. 403 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.240 And like David said, the one that was in the 404 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.880 water was gone the next day. So we went back 405 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.119 there the next day to look at that. We found that, 406 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.640 and we kind of just set and listened for a 407 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.640 long time just to see what we could hear, and 408 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.880 we really didn't hear much, but something caught my eye 409 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.839 just across from the marsh on the other side of 410 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:50.079 the trail, probably oh four feet off the trail. Hit 411 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:52.680 four feet or five feet off the trail, and it 412 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.400 was right under the canopy of a big redwood tree, 413 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.759 and it was it looked like a broken tree, and 414 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.799 so I started thinking, well, you know, while we're just listening, 415 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.400 I wondered, is this a tree break that could be 416 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.319 a sign as to wear it across the trail. You know, 417 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:11.839 my mind's kind of thinking all sorts of things. But 418 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.640 then I was looking at it closer from afar, and 419 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.400 it didn't widen out at the base like a tree wood. 420 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.799 So I then remembered some videos where people have shown 421 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:26.799 things with sticks or logs or even trees being upturned 422 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.400 and jammed into the ground. So once we were done listening, 423 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.880 I decided to walk over to this thing and see 424 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.160 if it was a tree. And the other thing that 425 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.119 caught my attention when we'd been just sitting there listening 426 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.839 was it was under the canopy of a redwood tree, 427 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.400 and not much grows under the canopy of a redwood 428 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.720 tree because there's no light, the pine needles, all that stuff. 429 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.720 And so I walked over to this thing and looked 430 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.240 at it, and it did look like a big stick 431 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.599 that had been jammed into the ground. It was probably 432 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.039 four or five inches in diame ameter and sticking up 433 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.400 about three or three and a half foot, and the 434 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.640 part that was sticking out was clearly broken. And so 435 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.240 I started looking up into the redwood tree, and clearly 436 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.039 it did not come from the redwood tree, because it 437 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.680 was not the same type of tree. And then we 438 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:15.440 looked at other trees to see if there was a 439 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:20.079 branch that had broken or a tree stump that, you know, 440 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:21.960 this could be a source of and there was nothing 441 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.359 around it. So it really looked like something that had 442 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:28.119 been jammed into the ground. And so I started wiggling, 443 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:30.200 and sure enough I was able to pull it out 444 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:36.160 and both ends were sharp, and so something had caused 445 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.160 this big limb or branch or even tree to break 446 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.960 in two different places and then jammed one of it 447 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:47.039 clear into the ground. And you know, if a human 448 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:48.480 had done that, they would have had to have done 449 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.640 it when it was muddy, or the other way we 450 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.799 could have done it is to pound on one end 451 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:55.960 with a mallet or something. And the end that was 452 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.039 sticking out of the ground was sharp. Nothing had pounded 453 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.680 on it. So here right across from where David had 454 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:07.079 found these three steps, and then the fourth step would 455 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.319 have been onto the trail was this log, if you would, 456 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.160 that had been jammed into the ground. And so that 457 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.079 was kind of another little crazy finding. That was sort 458 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.079 of our last day, last full day there. We went 459 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.799 back to camp. The night was pretty quiet. The next 460 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.839 morning we had to get up and start heading home, 461 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.960 so we both woke up about six am because we 462 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.319 had about a three and a half hour hike out 463 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.160 and then had a ten or twelve hour drive to 464 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.119 get back home. And we woke up at six and 465 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.200 I kind of went to our little area we had 466 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.759 set up to cook food in under the canopy of 467 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.880 a different redwood tree, and I wanted to start some coffee, 468 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.680 so I poured some water into a pot, and all 469 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.839 of a sudden, a pine cone lands by one of 470 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.640 my feet. Well, I didn't think much of it because 471 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.400 I'm under a redwood tree. So I filled the water 472 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.640 and put it on the little camp stove and lit 473 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.880 the fire. And as soon as I lit the fire, 474 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.640 another pine cone landed by my other foot, and David 475 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.039 is standing probably ten feet away from me, still under 476 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.279 the tree, and we both kind of look up thinking 477 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.640 well that's you know, coincidence. Two pine cones fall and 478 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.400 almost hit me after, you know, within five ten seconds 479 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.000 of each other. Well, we still didn't see anything, you know, 480 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.519 none of the branches were moving, We couldn't see a squirrel, 481 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.640 there was no wind, and so I went over and 482 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.880 set in my little camp chair, which was probably ten 483 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.039 feet away from that, just let the water boil. And 484 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.200 as soon as I sat down, two more pine cones 485 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.920 landed by my feet. So, you know, I look up 486 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.359 and David is standing in the same place he had been, 487 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.319 and he looks up and can't really see much, so 488 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.559 he backs out from under the tree just to get 489 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.279 a better look. 490 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.000 Well, and then first the first two I didn't think 491 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.000 anything of it, but then when the other two almost 492 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.440 hit him sitting in his chair, I was like, what 493 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.599 the heck's going on? So I backed out about twenty 494 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.039 to get out from underneath the canopy. You know, it's 495 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:17.839 trying to look up in the tree and I was 496 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.720 out in open air. There was nothing above me, and 497 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.640 I'm looking up and all of a sudden, the pine 498 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.079 cone lands by my foot, and then another pine cone 499 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.279 lands by my foot, and then another one, and we 500 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.599 had the crazy thing about these where that it was 501 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.279 like this was all within like a minute of time. 502 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.000 It was not like spread out over time with it. 503 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.359 As soon as I started hitting by my foot, both 504 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559 of us stood up at the same you know, I 505 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.799 was already standing, but we both turned and looked up 506 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.200 a ridge. Our camp was surrounded on two sides by water, 507 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.359 and we there was a trail that came in from 508 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.279 the side that we would walk in and we could 509 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.759 see down there. But both of us stood up and 510 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.240 at the same time turned and looked up this ridge 511 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.119 that was behind our camp, almost like we were feeling 512 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.920 that that's where it was coming from. We couldn't see 513 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.759 anything by coming down there. As soon as we turned 514 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.359 and looked, we had stopped. We didn't get any more 515 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.480 pine cones over there. We started looking at those things, 516 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.079 and about three of them were green pine cones, and 517 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.119 I was like, how the heck does green pine cones 518 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.200 fall out of a tree? I mean, I think someone 519 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.440 had to pull those off, you know, in order for 520 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.680 that to happen, because there was dead silent, there was 521 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.480 no wind or anything. And looking around for squirrels, I 522 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.119 had seen a squirrel about fifty feet down the trail 523 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.559 in the tree, but nothing up in the tree that 524 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.160 was above Curtis from where he was, and so at 525 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.319 that point we were like, Okay, someone is throwing pine 526 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.000 cones at us, and we're trying to figure this out. 527 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.960 What's going on. We're six miles at six thirty in 528 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.799 the morning, and for someone to walk in six miles, 529 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.200 they'd have to get up, but you know, started two, 530 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.240 you know, at two in the morning to get there 531 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.000 to throw pine cones and then leave. But we had 532 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.240 game cameras around the interest to our camp and there's 533 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:15.279 no nothing was on it. So we started were that 534 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.599 was kind of a strange, you know, really strange event 535 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.640 for us and stuff, and we're thinking, who's who's throwing that? 536 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.400 But we pack up. We were leaving that day any length, 537 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.359 and we pack up and we started hacking out. We 538 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.640 don't see anyone until we get about four miles back 539 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.839 towards our truck and we ran into someone. But at 540 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.920 that point, but they were not camping. They were hiking 541 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.720 in at that point and they were scouty to try 542 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.920 to look for a place for the next following weekend 543 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.119 that they were coming up. But uh, there was no 544 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.720 one else around there and so we we really had 545 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.319 no answer as something had to be pulling pine green 546 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.599 pine cones off the trees and throwing it at us. 547 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.880 And so this was our California experience in two. We 548 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.359 never saw Bigfoot, we never heard Bigfoot, but we had 549 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.200 a lot of strange experiences that you know, as physicians, 550 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.480 like I said, we like David and I every day 551 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.039 what we do is we listen to people, we look 552 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.799 at data, we form a conclusion and form a treatment 553 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.200 plan based on that. We don't have any explanation for 554 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.039 most of these things, you know, being from a human source. 555 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:33.960 So although we didn't see Bigfoot or or hear any vocalizations, 556 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.000 and again we made a rookie mistake we didn't take 557 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.200 any recorders this time, so when we were sleep we 558 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.519 really don't know what happened. But we were in the 559 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.880 middle of nowhere. When we were in the wilderness, we 560 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.279 were eight miles from the trail head, and like David said, 561 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.920 we had had trail cams up on the trails. No 562 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.240 one else except that one guy had come in during 563 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.559 the whole week and he left the next day. And 564 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.920 then those two people we met hiking out had never 565 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.319 even gotten back to where we were so as to 566 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.599 our the best of our knowledge, there were no other 567 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.920 people in the forest for most of that week. 568 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.440 This is some really interesting stuff. I think it might 569 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.400 be good to take a few minutes to chat about 570 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.799 this one, just so that people are able to remember 571 00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.640 it before we head on to the next one. There's 572 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.279 some questions that I have. So the area where it 573 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:41.519 looked like something was laying down, did you get an idea. 574 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.359 For how long that area might have been on the ground. 575 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.960 So David, you know, looked at the scat and he 576 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:55.039 studied tracking. He estimated that the scat was probably one 577 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.319 to two weeks old based on how it looked. It 578 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.160 was drying out, it wasn't where It also wasn't crumbly, 579 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.920 so you know, there was definitely an impression on the 580 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.440 ground that something had been there. You know, I guess 581 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.039 by having six or eight piles of scat around, they 582 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.319 had been there for more than one night. Whatever was 583 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:23.240 was living there. So you know, David's estimation on how 584 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.279 old the scat was was probably one to two weeks. 585 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:30.960 So we think that something had been staying there, you know, 586 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:36.000 as no longer than a week or two before, and 587 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.440 definitely there was an indentation there, so I couldn't tell 588 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.720 you how long something had slept there, but with six 589 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.960 or eight piles of scat, if it's coming, it looked 590 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.720 like one thing, one animal was inside that igloo. I 591 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.160 guess there could have been two, but it looked like 592 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.799 one indentation in the ground. So however long it takes 593 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.039 something to uh make six or eight piles of scat, 594 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.000 I guess, gotcha. 595 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.799 And maybe to ask a different way as well, would 596 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:10.239 you say that by the size of that indentation, it 597 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.519 looked like there could have been something that was maybe 598 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.320 you know, if it was laying down, maybe like six 599 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.440 feet tall or eight feet tall or anything like that. 600 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.840 From when you looked at it. 601 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.280 Yeah, I would say at least six feet tall and 602 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.280 probably longer. 603 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:26.599 You know. 604 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.920 I would say the length of the thing was eight 605 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.639 to ten feet with an opening at the one end, 606 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.239 and the thing took up most of the you know, 607 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.239 front to back area, So I would say somewhere between 608 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.599 six and eight feet. Is that what you would say, Davin, 609 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.639 give or take? 610 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.840 Yeah, I'm thinking that, you know, in that range, And 611 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.199 definitely it was you know weed, non cut branches. We 612 00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:55.119 make the thing. 613 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.559 The other thing. You know, Well, Tuck when we get 614 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.920 to Washington can talk about what makes a sixteen inch footprint. 615 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.880 But a sixteen inch footprint in a human would essentially 616 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.559 be about seven feet tall in a human, So that 617 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.880 sort of gives you an idea. David's six' flour and 618 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.199 his foot's eleven and a half into is. Law so 619 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.400 if something had a sixteen inch, footprint it was probably at, 620 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.440 least you, know if you use human, measurements at least 621 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:30.039 seven feet. 622 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:37.079 Tall, Okay, david do you, remember you, know let's, say 623 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.079 talking about the, scat were you able to see anything in, 624 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.800 it like evidence. 625 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.760 Of what it may have, eaten whatever it. 626 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.880 Was that left it. THERE i didn't, see Like i'm 627 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.440 looking for berries and things like. THAT i didn't see 628 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.280 any of, that and everything seemed pretty didn't By. Jeff 629 00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:01.079 so they didn't see, hair you, know in, there and 630 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.880 it was kind of the bigger THINGS i was looking, 631 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.280 for you. Know with, that. 632 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.880 And interesting, ENOUGH i had spoken about Beans baxter the 633 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.239 video he sent. Me they couldn't really tell what that 634 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:20.159 animal had eaten, Either so, yeah we didn't couldn't find 635 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.400 specifically what it had. Eaten BUT i tell you it 636 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.320 was huge it. Was it was if you put all 637 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.599 of your fingers together and looked at the, tips that 638 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.159 was probably half the diameter of how big this scat. 639 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.039 Was it was probably probably two or three inches in, 640 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.320 diameter and LIKE i, said probably two to three times 641 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.400 as long as what a human would typically. 642 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.880 Make AND i don't think that we had talked about. 643 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.119 This was it laid out in a certain like was 644 00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.639 it in a straight line or in a pile or 645 00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:58.719 anything like. 646 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.599 That each one was kind of in a, pile almost 647 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.760 like a you, know not to get, gross but like 648 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.119 a soft served ice, cream you, know kind of coiled 649 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.519 a little bit and then then some more. Straight but 650 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.840 but it was kind of in a. Pile and, yeah 651 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.800 and it. Was it was. Weird the person that talked 652 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.639 to us about being a, mark you, know a boundary. 653 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.559 Marker that probably makes more more sense just by how 654 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.559 uniform they were around the. Structure, yeah you, know at 655 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.440 FIRST i thought it was just random that that you, 656 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.480 know whatever had woken up in the middle of the 657 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.519 night and had to, go or in the morning and 658 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.559 had to go just decided to go right or. Left 659 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.800 but someone talked about the boundary marker and that that 660 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:49.159 makes more sense because they were probably, all, OH i don't, 661 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.840 know thirty or forty feet, apart so you, know if 662 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.039 you just took from the center of the igloo and 663 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039 drew a, circle they were all sort of right on 664 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.679 that forty or so boundary of that. 665 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.599 Circle, mhm that's that's that's extremely. 666 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:11.800 Interesting it sounded like there were OR i Guess i'll 667 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.679 ask it this, way what was this sound. 668 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.960 Like in the area of that you, know that, uh. 669 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.039 That, structure and where the regular sounds of the forest 670 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.719 or what did you guys experience in that? 671 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:34.119 WAY i didn't hear much of anything in that. Area 672 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.280 it didn't seem many different than the other places that 673 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.280 we were walking, though as far as you, KNOW i 674 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.119 don't recall, saying, Hey i'm not hearing any birds or you, 675 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.679 know or anything like. That so it didn't seem that 676 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.199 that structure area didn't seem anything different than some of 677 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.199 the other areas that we were. 678 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.480 Walking to, me that next, day AS i, said we 679 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.760 kind of went out there and. Listened david actually had 680 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.760 some sound amplification headphones and we both had them on 681 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.679 and we were. Listening you could hear for us sounds 682 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.360 we couldn't really tell the direction because with those sound amplification, 683 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.800 headphones they just amplify the. Sound it's not like you're 684 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.880 regular here where you know this is off to. 685 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.320 Your right or. 686 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.840 Left but we did hear some things moving in the, 687 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.639 forest we just couldn't tell how, close or bipedal or a, 688 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:33.519 Deer so there was some movement. Around but Like david, 689 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.639 SAID i DON'T i agree with. Him when we were 690 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.440 around that, STRUCTURE i don't remember hearing birds or anything. 691 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.079 Different you, know let's say an individual has a way 692 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.719 of leaving a trackway or set of. Tracks you, know 693 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.159 humans leave their tracks a certain, way or bunny rabbit 694 00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.760 leaves tracks a certain. Way was there anything that you 695 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.519 know just about when you you found these tracks where 696 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:03.840 they laid out in a certain. 697 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:08.280 Way they were there was in a straight it was 698 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.360 in a, line but they weren't the First the first, 699 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.679 Track i'd, say was you, know so where you put 700 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.519 that first footprint. Down the next one was slightly to 701 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.119 the to the right of, it and then the next 702 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.239 one was in. Line you, know IF i was a 703 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.199 jewer line between the all the, tracks it was definitely 704 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.039 heading across just directly across this march area in a 705 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.800 in a straight, line but they were not like you, 706 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.960 know where one putting a flipprint right in front of 707 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.800 the other or. Not it was SLIGHTLY i would like 708 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.239 you can look at the. Figure probably, no you say 709 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.159 a foot to the, right you, know the right foot 710 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.159 was foot to the right or the left flip on that, 711 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.800 one and then the next one was straight in line 712 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.960 with the left. Flip, yeah and they it looked by. 713 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:03.800 Pedal it looked Like david, said left, right. Left it 714 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.599 did not look like a double step of a four 715 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.599 legged animal like a. BEAR i, mean bear would probably 716 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.800 be the only other, alternative but then, again and not 717 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.840 a lot of bears have a four foot step length. 718 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:25.119 Either and it didn't look like if this was going 719 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.880 to be a, bear it would have had to have 720 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:35.159 double stepped perfectly three different. Times it really looked the 721 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.199 shape of a human. Foot in other, words the heel 722 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.280 was not quite as wide as the, forefoot and it 723 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.519 definitely looked to us at least as being. 724 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:49.239 Bipedal, gotcha what was the month, again you guys were 725 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:49.880 up there In. 726 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:51.519 California it was the last week Of. 727 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.119 August, okay so that takes the Whole it was not 728 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:57.360 a bear just coming out of. 729 00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.239 Hibernation that was leaving those scat piles In. 730 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.239 August, no and we were trying to and you know 731 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.239 when we decided when the g, OH i was, LIKE 732 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.719 i want to go before honey season. Starts so that's 733 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.400 why we normally chose that. 734 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:19.519 Time gotcha last question about The california. Trip was there 735 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:25.239 at any point where you felt any anything out of 736 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.280 the ordinary, physically anything affected you in any way when 737 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:30.719 you were in that. 738 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.039 Area, NO i. DIDN'T i never felt anything like, that 739 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.039 AND i never smelled anything like the bad odors or 740 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:39.559 anything like. 741 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.280 That AND i would say the, SAME i didn't really feel. 742 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.920 Anything you, know people have asked, us you know when 743 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:50.960 the pine cones were, coming did we have a weird 744 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:57.119 feeling And David david's description of us both turning and looking. 745 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.639 UP i think we quickly process to gain the information 746 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.320 to decide that the only place that could have been 747 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.719 coming from was the. Ridge it wasn't like we felt 748 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.920 an uneasy feeling that something was on the ridge behind 749 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.920 us looking at. Us we just quickly processed we were 750 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.800 surrounded on a couple sides by a. Creek the trail 751 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.239 was on the other. Side there was the only place 752 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.480 those pine cones could have come from if they didn't 753 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.119 fall out of the tree above, us and you, know 754 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.679 clearly With david twenty feet, away they couldn't have fallen 755 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.599 out of a. Tree we just quickly felt that after 756 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.199 processing that, information that that's where they had to come. 757 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.519 From and you, know coincidence or. Not as soon as 758 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.599 we both looked up the, ridge and this was a, 759 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.920 ridge it was probably forty feet tall right behind our. 760 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.480 Camp as soon as we looked, up the pine cones. 761 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.960 Stopped so that was either coincidence or or something didn't 762 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.199 want us seeing them throw pine cones at. 763 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:05.280 Us that's one of those that whole. EXPERIENCE i, Think 764 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.000 i'm trying to put myself in your guys' shoes and 765 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.079 it would be just enough THAT i would be, like, 766 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.760 yeah gotta go out, again which you guys did go 767 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.199 out again, eventually but like that's just weird, enough you, know, 768 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:19.639 yeah pretty, awesome. 769 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.679 You, know and we get we get kidded by our, 770 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.199 family you, know we didn't See bigfoot and all this other, 771 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.920 stuff and they're, right we. Didn't BUT i don't know 772 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:33.079 how to explain a lot of what went, on you, 773 00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.960 Know and like you, said after that but going up, 774 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:41.440 there LIKE i, SAID i my background with bigfoot was finding. 775 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:48.119 Bigfoot and you, know other than exposing bigfoot theory too many, 776 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.199 people not a lot of people have good things to 777 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.239 say about finding. Bigfoot SO i was a, skeptic and 778 00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.360 after this now was at least open to the eydea That, 779 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:04.320 bigfoot if not being a, possibility was a. 780 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:09.360 Probability, Yeah AND i was higher Than curtis to. START 781 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.360 i was in the probability phase with, that and THEN 782 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:14.320 i think both of us when we got out of, 783 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.480 there were, saying, hey this is definitely definitely probable if 784 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.639 but you, know you're sure something's going on there with that, 785 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.159 Gotcha so it. 786 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.960 Moved it moved the needle a little bit before you, 787 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.639 guys you made it probably a. 788 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.639 Lot and we talked about it continually for the next two, 789 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.760 years and in twenty twenty three we actually went looking 790 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.400 for gold In, idaho and and if it wasn't for, 791 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.320 that we probably would have gone bigfooting in twenty twenty. 792 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.880 Three but even there we may have found a. Print 793 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.480 so even though we went looking for, gold we might 794 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.559 have found some evidence of a bigfoot In. Idaho but you, 795 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.639 know we got to About january of twenty twenty four 796 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.480 And david calls me up and, says we need to 797 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.480 go on another. Trip so we kind of had a. 798 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.119 Discussion do we want to go back to the same. 799 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.679 PLACE i, mean that's you, know it was a great 800 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.559 place and there's something to. Habituation you, know maybe maybe 801 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.159 going back we would see, more but we wanted to 802 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.239 kind of go after watching, videos we wanted to kind 803 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.920 of go somewhere. Else so we started, discussing, well maybe 804 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.679 we'll go To, canada you, know with all the findings 805 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.239 they have Around, nordig but you, know it's hard to 806 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.519 get guns up, there and you, know we wanted. Protection 807 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.480 we weren't, hunting but we didn't want to go out 808 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.760 in the wilderness with you, know bear around and no. 809 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.599 Guns so that kind of ruled Out. Canada and then 810 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:50.400 we thought About, alaska but you, know getting To alaska 811 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.800 is just so hard to take up half of our 812 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.639 vacation just getting there and half of it getting. Back 813 00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:00.840 so we started looking In oregon And, washington AND i 814 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.159 went to THE bfro Like david had For, california and 815 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.320 found That washington had more Sightings CLASS a And CLASS 816 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.960 b sidings in any other state in the in the 817 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.159 in THE, US i think at the time it had 818 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.559 eight hundred and seventy six or something like. THAT i 819 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.000 don't remember the exact, number but there are a lot 820 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:21.719 Of CLASS a And CLASS b side and so we 821 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.840 kind of decided to go To washington because that's you, 822 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.559 know close To canada, obviously and Like david had said About, 823 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.920 california we wanted to just get, away so we went 824 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.519 where the population wasn't. There there are a lot of 825 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:40.159 reports on the western half Of washington because that's also 826 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.960 where the most population, is you Know Mount rainier and 827 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.760 The cascades and you know The olympics and all that. 828 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.559 Stuff but we wanted to get away From, seattle so 829 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.679 we started looking on the eastern side Of, washington AND 830 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.880 i actually found four or five YouTubers who who have 831 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.239 had experiences in an Eastern, washington and THEN i found three 832 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.679 of those specifically had a lot of activity Near Sullivan, 833 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.679 lake which is about as far north and as far 834 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.920 east you can go In washington without either going Into 835 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.400 canada Or. Idaho and there's this campground on the Along 836 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.760 Sullivan creek which feeds Into Sullivan, lake and it has 837 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:32.119 over about ten miles about eighteen, campsites but they, always you, 838 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.599 know when you look on, reservations they looked pretty, full 839 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.599 and we didn't really want to be around other, people 840 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.639 SO i called the ranger station there and kind of 841 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.079 spoke to one of the rangers and asked him where 842 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.679 we could do dispersed camping kind of away from everybody, 843 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.400 else but still have water source and even have a 844 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.519 bathroom if we, needed and he suggested a place Called Gypsy, 845 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.719 Meadows so we quickly looked it up on On Google, 846 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.360 map and when you look at the satellite, view it's 847 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.639 probably maybe twelve miles up the creek or so From Sulvan, 848 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.960 lake and while there are a few campgrounds maybe a 849 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.920 mile or, so there's not a whole. Lot and in, 850 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.599 fact just across the, creek which sort of goes on 851 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:26.800 the edge Of Gypsy meadows is The Salmo Priest. Wilderness 852 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.400 so while we weren't in the, wilderness we were maybe 853 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119 one hundred yards from. It and at the end of 854 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.119 The Sulivan creek, road maybe three or four miles up 855 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:45.119 from The Gypsy, meadows the road ended in the, wilderness 856 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.079 and we went hiking up there one day and just 857 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.599 saw how. Remote it was so basically after finding a 858 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.400 bunch of people on, YouTube that's where we decided to. 859 00:49:54.440 --> 00:50:02.280 Go So Gypsy. Meadows so we Go ryan coming Into 860 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.639 Gypsy meadows there and it's LIKE i, said it's about 861 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:09.079 twelve mile dirt road you go up. There we really 862 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.920 got most of the camps were not occupied at the 863 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.280 time we're. Gone we, passed you, know occasional once or. 864 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.400 One there was a about a quarter mile just Before Ditchy, 865 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.800 meadows we passed one. Trader that guy was there that 866 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.800 he was in that trader the whole time that we were. 867 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.840 There and we go into the meadow and it was 868 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.639 empty at that. Point so we went all the way 869 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.000 to the end of the meadow as far as you 870 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.800 get from the mid, road set up our camp at 871 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.519 this you, know a pretty nice camp campsite, There and 872 00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.960 we got there around three in the, afternoon and, uh you, 873 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.960 know plenty of time to set up. Camp and then 874 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.159 something happened To curtis right. Then that made more sense, 875 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.920 later but we didn't really didn't think much of it right. 876 00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.599 Then but, yeah so we were setting up our camp 877 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.159 and and you, know we put up our aning to 878 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.480 for a place to eat and then we both were 879 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.599 setting up our, tents and after we set up our, 880 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.480 TENTS i decided to blow up my air mattress while 881 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:10.800 it was still light SO i didn't have to do 882 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.719 it when we went to. Bed AND i had this 883 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.079 little backpacking air pump that probably blow up my mattress 884 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.079 in about a minute or. So the only problem with 885 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.440 it it makes a pretty high pitched wine when you 886 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.480 turn the motor on while it's blowing the. Air and 887 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.639 SO i turned this motor on and all of a, 888 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.079 sudden from across the, creek we estimate maybe a quarter 889 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.719 mile away so from the, wilderness we heard this owl start. 890 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.320 Hooting and at first we, thought, well that's a little, 891 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.960 strange you, know because it's during the. Day but the 892 00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:52.360 bar owl does has been known to hoot during the, 893 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.719 day so we really didn't think much of. It but 894 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.239 it just it would not stop hooting UNTIL i turned 895 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.840 off my, pump and as soon AS i, did the hooting. 896 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.199 Stopped and we only mentioned. This it did catch our, 897 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.559 attention but it seemed like what strangeness that followed was 898 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:18.760 almost always preceded by owl, hoots so we're not saying 899 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.800 that wasn't an owl that was hooting at. Us but 900 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.480 later on in the next few, days owl hooting sort 901 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:27.679 of preceded everything. 902 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.480 Else so once you got set, up we'd heard that 903 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.519 that the young you didn't think anything of a day 904 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.000 is by, say it's cool to hear it, now you. 905 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.920 Know but at the end of the meadow there the 906 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.239 trail that goes out toward the north northeast. Area we 907 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.000 decided to go for a. Hike we had a couple 908 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:50.199 hours left to. Sunlight so we go walking out there 909 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.559 and we crossed the creek over and we're start fallowing 910 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.039 game trail and we left the main trail and you, 911 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.920 know to get across this creek and walking along and 912 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.039 ACTUALLY i see the, footprint Like i'll, furds hey look at, 913 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.880 this and there're just this one. INDENTATION i, mean it 914 00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.880 wasn't quite perfectly clear. Anything we could definitely see the 915 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.400 heel and the, wider you, know foot and we measured 916 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.559 it because now we're left rookies and we bring measuring. 917 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.559 Tapes but it measured about fourteen and a half inches 918 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:31.760 long with, that AND i, feel, well that's. Cool SO i, 919 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.280 decided you, know we ought to cast this thing because 920 00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.559 we never casted anything. Before as we are doing AND i, 921 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.000 said you, know it's not a very you, know great, 922 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.719 print but, hey we need some experience in. Casting so 923 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:48.000 we went back the next day to to cast that 924 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.760 and decided to leave some you know, gifts, apples we 925 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.920 brought peanut butter. Jar we put out you, know four, 926 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.679 there and we put a game camera up on that 927 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:03.079 area and just for. Observation we never did see. Anything 928 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.400 no one ever took any of the, gifts but that 929 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.719 was we did go back and cast that one print 930 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:08.599 at that. 931 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:14.960 Time and while we were, there it was again the 932 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.840 same essentially the same week as in twenty twenty two 933 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.119 is the last week Of. August for whatever, reason there 934 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:27.480 was a burn band so we couldn't have, campfires which 935 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:34.039 was kind of. Disappointing but our second night, there some 936 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.920 other campers had come into the other side of the 937 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.320 meadow and they were probably about one hundred and twenty 938 00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.719 yards from, us and they were camped right up against 939 00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.440 the west side of the meadow and we were sort 940 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:53.239 of on THE i guess you'd call it southeast side 941 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.960 of the, meadow and they were about one hundred and 942 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.519 twenty yards from. Us they came in kind of round. 943 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:04.800 Dusk the first rule of bigfooting is when you get 944 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:09.000 there put out. Recorders and of, course even though we weren't, 945 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:12.400 rookies we still made a. Mistake we didn't put out 946 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.119 recorders that, night and because there was a burn, band 947 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.239 or about nine thirty or, ten it started getting, cold 948 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.320 and you, know we set around looking with our fleers all, 949 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.960 around and we'd even gone for a night drive to 950 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.440 see if any we could pick anything up On david's 951 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.320 dash cam or on our, flares and we saw deer 952 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.880 and bear and all sorts of. Things but, finally around 953 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.360 nine thirty or, ten we decided to go to, bed 954 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.159 and just as we turned out the, lights that same, 955 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.159 owl or at least from the same, direction kind of 956 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.719 gave us a good night. HOOT i didn't think much of. It, 957 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.639 AGAIN i, mean this is kind of neat here in the. 958 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.039 Owl for whatever, reason that NIGHT i just could not 959 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.280 get to. Sleep the first night from, TRAVEL i fell right. 960 00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.400 Asleep but this, night LIKE i, said we went to 961 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.960 bed about. Night i'm, thirty AND i kind of tossed 962 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.079 and turned for a couple of, hours and FINALLY i 963 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.119 looked at my watch AND i, said you, know ten to, 964 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.360 twelve AND i still hadn't fallen, asleep SO i kind 965 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.760 of closed my, eyes rolled over and tried to get 966 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.000 to sleep. Again and about ten or fifteen minutes, later 967 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:21.039 so probably just after, midnight that same owl started, hooting 968 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.000 but this time it didn't. Stop it was almost LIKE 969 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:26.800 i had that air pump, on. 970 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:28.519 You. 971 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.159 Know for three or four, minutes it just kept hooting 972 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.440 and hooting and. Hooting it would pause after four or 973 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.800 five hoots and listen and then pick it up. Again 974 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.360 and As i'm laying, There i'm kind of getting annoyed 975 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.960 at this owl Because i'm trying to. SLEEP i started 976 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.159 thinking it's getting. Louder is it getting? Closer does does 977 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:55.039 an owl hoot when it? FLIES i don't, know but 978 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.280 it seemed like it was getting, closer and not to 979 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.639 put human characters on an, animal it seemed a little more. 980 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:08.360 Frantic besides being, louder the hoots got, quicker and LIKE i, 981 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.559 said after four or five, hoots it would kind of 982 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.480 stop and, listen and THEN i again had to kind 983 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.159 of pause and make SURE i was hearing WHAT i was. 984 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.679 Hearing the, HOOTS i, thought turned into, whoops and it 985 00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.079 was distinctly, different even though it seemed to be the same. 986 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:31.960 Voice and after four or five. Hoots i'm about ready 987 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.519 to get out out of my sleeping bag and go 988 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.440 wake Up. David all of a sudden there's a. Response 989 00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:43.360 off to our north and off to our. East something 990 00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.719 answered these hoots and, whoops and they answered him with. 991 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:53.920 Hoots so as soon as the answer came back the, 992 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.480 owl if you, would stopped. Hooting and so, YEAH i 993 00:57:58.519 --> 00:57:59.960 didn't really have a chance to get out a. BIT 994 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.519 i didn't wake Up, david AND i wasn't going to 995 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.559 wake him up for you, know for. Nothing SO i 996 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.280 tried to get back to, sleep and about an hour 997 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.360 LATER i was still not, asleep and the exact same pattern. 998 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.719 Happened this owl started hooting, again and then for the second, 999 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.679 TIME i started hearing, whoops and this TIME i kind 1000 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.639 of thought to, myself, WELL i GUESS i really did hear. 1001 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.159 Him and again just As i'm not ready to get 1002 00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:31.159 out of bed and wake Up, david those two owls 1003 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:33.679 off to the north and off to the east answered. 1004 00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.599 It and as soon as they answered, it it was silent. 1005 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:41.480 Again so AGAIN i didn't wake Up. David the next 1006 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.840 THING i, KNOW i had probably i'd most likely fallen 1007 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.880 asleep And david was shaking my tent getting me. 1008 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:53.320 Up, well it's proby. Rum you, know around two, o'clock 1009 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.280 in between one thirty and two, o'clock all of a 1010 00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:02.239 sudden they get woke up by this tremendously cloud you, know. 1011 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.719 Hooting and it was from where my tent. Was these 1012 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:11.639 these two campers there were as a younger younger younger 1013 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.679 boy and older you, know he's, PROBABLY i guess the older, 1014 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.480 guy probably in his late. Twenties from the younger guy 1015 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.679 was probably in the. Teenager and they had just coming 1016 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.280 in and parked on the opposite, endo the you, know 1017 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.679 the meadow from where we were well closer to the 1018 00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.360 entrance on the road, there but they were parked on 1019 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.159 the and their tent was like right on the edge 1020 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.360 of the, forest were on that side of the. Netdow 1021 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.519 AND i swear this, thing the noise in the racket 1022 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.119 THAT i started hearing this hooting started from the you, 1023 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.000 know If i'm talking about a degree from, me had 1024 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.559 about forty five degrees to my right towards the creek, 1025 00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:56.760 area and it. Went it was, loud and it was the, 1026 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.760 whoa whoa whoa, work whoa, whoa whoa. Work it was 1027 00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:03.519 mo and it was going. FAST i felt that it 1028 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.079 was going right through those guys, camp and all of 1029 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.559 a sudden in the middle is, Whoa all of a, 1030 01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.480 SUDDEN i start here in this right Round la Black 1031 01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:16.079 Way wa wow up and the cultic thing it sounded 1032 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.519 to me if you if you've heard The sierra sounds 1033 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.239 in That samurai, gibberish are. Like but these guys were 1034 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:26.159 like they were like angry at each, other and they 1035 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.440 were going all, right, right, right right. Right but it 1036 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.800 was moving as this is going. Wrong and then it 1037 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.440 keeps moving probably from that forty five to the directly 1038 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.519 right by those guys. CAMP i, THOUGHT i, said that's 1039 01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.159 going right through their. Camp and then it continued on 1040 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.360 across the road and up to the main road and 1041 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:47.159 up the. Ridge and it was only about thirty you, 1042 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.679 know probably thirty seconds of time for that time for 1043 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:54.119 that for that motion to happen across. There AND i 1044 01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.199 got up and went and Got, Curtisi, hey did you 1045 01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:59.960 Hear that's what the heck was? That and he comes 1046 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.039 climbing out of the tent and we get ever flashots 1047 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.159 out and we looked down the meadow and these other 1048 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.559 guys are climbing out of their tent and what's going? 1049 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:09.559 On we didn't go talk to them that time, night 1050 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.280 but it was definitely a loud screaming and the only 1051 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.480 THING i could picture that rot noise was compared to 1052 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.320 The sierra sounds with. It And curtis hadn't heard, it BUT, 1053 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.599 i you, KNOW i tried to explain it to, him 1054 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:29.400 and he got up the next morning and actually went 1055 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.880 and talked to the one of those. 1056 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.639 Guys, Yeah and so just to put this in, perspective 1057 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:40.639 the creek is the border of the, wilderness and likely 1058 01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:46.800 What david's describing is whatever pack was moving came from 1059 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:51.119 the wilderness across the creek well behind these guys, camp 1060 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.920 through the, woods across the, road into the, meadow across 1061 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.719 another little small, meadow up a ridge that was a 1062 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:04.159 center forest about one hundred more, yards and across the 1063 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.480 main road and back into another. Wilderness so it probably, 1064 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:13.840 traveled you, know one hundred and fifty yards at least in, 1065 01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:20.400 seconds and it was all essentially cross. Country and this 1066 01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:24.000 WAS i looked it up. Later of, course there was 1067 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.840 a burn, band so nobody had a, fire there was 1068 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.760 no light from the, fire and it was also a 1069 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.719 waning moon that was less than a quarter of a, 1070 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.800 moon so there was no, moonlight so whatever traveled this 1071 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.599 one hundred and fifty or so yards across the creek 1072 01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:44.639 from the wilderness did so essentially in pitch. Black But david's. 1073 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.679 Right the next, morning you, know we all crawled back into, 1074 01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.519 bed maybe by two thirty or, so we'd all been 1075 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.599 looking around for ten or fifteen. MINUTES i didn't sleep 1076 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.320 very well after. THAT i just kept waking up THINKING 1077 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.559 i heard something and didn't really or. Anything but pretty 1078 01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.559 SOON i see light coming into my tent AND i, 1079 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.119 Say i'm not, Sleeping i'm just getting, up AND i 1080 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:12.199 decided to walk down to the. Bathroom so it's, probably 1081 01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.360 oh maybe an eighth of a mile away from our. 1082 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.000 Camp and WHEN i get down, THERE i see someone 1083 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.719 who's in the, bathroom AND i didn't know who it, 1084 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.679 was SO i kind of waited about fifty feet. AWAY 1085 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:24.840 i didn't want to bother them while they were going 1086 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.559 to the, bathroom AND i when the door, OPENED i 1087 01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.920 realized it was the older of the two gentlemen that 1088 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.800 had pulled into camp that, evening and SO i kind 1089 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.679 of wanted to get a sense of what he had, 1090 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:41.159 heard because clearly they heard. Something they were out at 1091 01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.599 two o'clock in the, morning look in the flashlights all 1092 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.360 through the meadow and through the forest to, see you, 1093 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.960 know if they could find. Anything BUT i didn't want 1094 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.599 to influence what he. Said SO i, said, boy that 1095 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.719 was a crazy, night wasn't. It and he, said, yeah it. 1096 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.039 Was what do you think that? Was AND i, SAID 1097 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.320 i don't, know you, KNOW i JUST i kind of 1098 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.320 wanted to get his. Opinion and he, said there was 1099 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.400 a pack of, them and whatever they, were they were 1100 01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.960 barking while they were, running and one of them was 1101 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:11.840 up in the, tree or might have been up in 1102 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.159 the tree right above my. Tent and then they ran 1103 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.880 and you, know behind your camp and up the ridge 1104 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.719 and crossed the road and then it became. Silent SO 1105 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.360 i said to, him so you think they were dogs 1106 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.559 because you said they were, Barking and he, said, well not. 1107 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:32.079 Really that's the only DESCRIPTION i could think. Of you, 1108 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.000 know it just sounded like a dog, barking a bunch 1109 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.199 of dogs barking at each. Other AND i, said, well 1110 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.519 can you imitate? It and so he kind of thought 1111 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:46.280 for a, second and he imitated the samurai sounds to, 1112 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:49.480 me and so THEN i said to, him, well have 1113 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.000 you ever heard of The sierra, sounds and he said, 1114 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.480 No AND i, said what do you think of? Bigfoot 1115 01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.880 and he kind of had a nervous. Chuckle didn't e 1116 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.639 been saying anything, else and kind of turned and walked. 1117 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:08.880 Away and, incidentally they left right after. BREAKFAST i don't 1118 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:10.960 know if that was their. Plan it might have, been 1119 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.719 OR i don't know if they were influenced by what they, 1120 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.639 heard but after breakfast they were. Gone but now it's 1121 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.360 like six fifteen in the. MORNING i went to the. 1122 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.159 BATHROOM i Figured david was still, asleep because WHEN i 1123 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.440 left the camp he was. Asleep Both david and this 1124 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:31.079 guy said it had crossed the main road sort of 1125 01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:33.440 one hundred yards or so behind our. Camp SO i 1126 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.840 DECIDED i was in my camp, shoes which were basically like. 1127 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.079 CROCS i wasn't gonna be able to do any cross country, 1128 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.800 stuff BUT i FIGURED i could walk up the dirt 1129 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.079 road at. Least AND i walked up about one hundred 1130 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.719 and fifty, yards AND i noticed up this ridge all 1131 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.920 the grass had been churned up by. SOMETHING i couldn't 1132 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:59.000 really see any big, footprints but something definitely had churned 1133 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:02.480 up the grass going up this. Ridge and THEN i 1134 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:06.239 looked to my right and about ten feet away there 1135 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:08.199 was a tree break about nine feet. 1136 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:14.719 Up Both david and this Young this young man said 1137 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.719 that they had crossed the, road SO i figured it 1138 01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:18.320 had to come out on the other sides. 1139 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.599 Somewhere SO i walked across the road towards our, camp 1140 01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.039 and our camp was still at least one hundred yards, 1141 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.119 away And i'm looking into the. FOREST i can't really see, 1142 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.800 anything because you, know that's saying you can't see the 1143 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.440 forest because the trees ALL i see are a bunch of. 1144 01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:38.800 Trees BUT i eventually found a trail coming out of 1145 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.599 the forest up the embankment to the, road AND i 1146 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.960 marked the trail and THEN i decided to walk back to. 1147 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.039 Camp and WHEN i got back just into the, Meadow 1148 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.960 david was awake and he was kind of looking around 1149 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.039 to see if he could track anything from the other 1150 01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.679 side from our from our camp. 1151 01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:02.119 Side so, YEAH i got up And burgers wasn't, around 1152 01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:03.960 SO i, started you, know walking, out GO i want 1153 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.239 to walk down to that those guys area and see 1154 01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.480 IF i could see any find any tracks of cramps 1155 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.199 or things like. That and there's a small meadow across 1156 01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.519 from where their camp. Was it goes into the forest 1157 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:18.480 towards the, road AND i was in there looking AND 1158 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.840 i could, see you, know some, imprints nothing, specific you, 1159 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.280 know nothing like, a, hey this is a great footprint 1160 01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:29.079 anything like, that but it's definitely a game. Trail so 1161 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:33.639 When curtis got, back we got got our gearst you, 1162 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.360 know got our stuff, together and decided to go follow 1163 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:40.960 this game. Trail we're falling Fro he goes across you, 1164 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.440 know small you, know hills and, bays and we start 1165 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.199 following it up and we end up coming up on 1166 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:53.960 this or little ridge and we see this perfect x 1167 01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.599 of you, know two trees making AN, x and they're 1168 01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.440 just sitting right and front of, us and the trees 1169 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:07.280 ARE i, mean it's probably about twenty feet, tall, yeah 1170 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:08.400 and probably. 1171 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.800 Ten inches in diameter at the bottom or. 1172 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:12.840 Though, yeah but it's a perfect. Axe and we go 1173 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:18.880 we started looking examining these these trees and they the 1174 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.560 one if we're standing looking back towards a. Meadow the 1175 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.439 one on the right was bent down and it was 1176 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.399 put in between two different trees that were close, together 1177 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.000 and it kind of its folding and it went on. 1178 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.319 Up we could see where it. Was it had broken 1179 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.159 at the rip, base but it was sitting right, there 1180 01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:37.800 but it had been pushed AND i don't know how 1181 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:41.840 it would be fall so perfectly to go in between these. 1182 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.279 Things there was no branches, on you, know on the 1183 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.000 tree that was cleaned. Off then we looked at the 1184 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:53.079 other crossbar and on the other, side and this one 1185 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.319 was actually we got pictures of. It it was actually 1186 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.920 was not broken at the, base but it was twisted 1187 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.920 and you could see the bark was rotated or twisted 1188 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.760 in order for it to fit over this other one 1189 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.199 and then to fit in between the other two trees 1190 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.760 that it went. Through AND i was, like how does that? Happen, 1191 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.640 yeah how do you twist a tree to fit? It 1192 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.520 you know? Naturally just in the, like no way that's 1193 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.600 going to happen. Naturally and then so we're done looking at, 1194 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.319 that and we're this is a you, know we've seen 1195 01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.840 other YouTube things on people their exes and things like, 1196 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.800 that and they, go this has got to be this 1197 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.199 is not natural and natural X and we got pictures 1198 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.760 of all, that and then videos is showing the twisting 1199 01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:39.640 of that that one. Tree how does this not? Break 1200 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:41.239 because it had to be a great tree for it 1201 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:45.119 to do. That so then we keep following the game 1202 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.439 trail and either not quincidently or, quiztling we end up 1203 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.279 walking out on the road right By curtis's mark that 1204 01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.600 he had marked on the, Road and so it was 1205 01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.399 like we had actually followed the track or the trails 1206 01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:03.960 up into that. Area you never saw any like real 1207 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.159 good footprints that we. Could there was definitely disturbances in the, 1208 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.880 dirt but nothing we could you, know look and, say, 1209 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.119 hey there's a big footprint or anything like that at that. 1210 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.880 Point and then we also look later sort of behind 1211 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:21.640 that guy's camp when WHEN i talked to the, guy you, 1212 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.199 Know david had originally thought that it had run right 1213 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.439 through their, camp BUT i had talked to him and 1214 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.000 he had, said, no it ran through the woods right 1215 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:34.079 behind their. Camp the whole, pack and he said there 1216 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.960 was more than one of, Them AND i Think david 1217 01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:41.760 believes he heard three different, voices so we believe there 1218 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.880 are at least three of. Them but we found two 1219 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.720 game trails that went right behind their camp and went 1220 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.119 and ended basically at the. Creek so something LIKE i, 1221 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.720 said came from the, wilderness crossed the, creek ran behind 1222 01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.760 these guys, camp and you, know whether one was in 1223 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.640 a tree above his tent or, NOT i don't, know 1224 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.520 but that's what he. Said you. KNOW i guess the other, 1225 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.840 alternative if if something is very, tall it might sound 1226 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.119 like it's in a tree above your. Tent but they. 1227 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.960 Were their tent was right on the edge of the. 1228 01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.239 Forest SO i suppose it is possible that there was 1229 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.279 one of these animals in the tree above. It but 1230 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.840 that that day not much. Happened we went for some. 1231 01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.680 Hikes finally the third night we get smart enough to 1232 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:31.840 put out. Recorders, uh we didn't record any of that 1233 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:35.479 stuff from the night, before but LIKE i, said most 1234 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.720 nights we went on on a little. Drive and before 1235 01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:41.119 we went on this drive this, NIGHT i went and 1236 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:47.479 put a recorder out on The Gypsy meadows entrance sign 1237 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.319 and was essentially right in line with where these things 1238 01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.600 had had. Passed AND i turned on the, recorder and 1239 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.680 then we went for a. Drive Now i've gone back 1240 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.880 and listened to all, that and while we were, gone 1241 01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:05.520 you could hear some twigs breaking in the forest and 1242 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.039 something walking on the. Gravel now that doesn't mean it 1243 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.039 couldn't have been the guy who, was you, know in 1244 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.079 the trailer a quarter mile from, us But i've gone 1245 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.600 back and listened to, it and at least for that 1246 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:20.920 hour or so while we were, driving we heard something 1247 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:26.960 walking around the, recorder and then about an hour after, 1248 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:33.079 THAT i heard four rock. Clacks it was two, clacks 1249 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.520 stopped for about two, seconds and then two more, clacks 1250 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:40.760 AND i, thought, well that's kind of, strange and THEN 1251 01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:44.640 i kept. Listening in about ten seconds after those rock, 1252 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:50.439 clacks you Hear david's truck driving into the, meadows, so you, 1253 01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:54.680 know again putting human characteristics on an. Animal did it 1254 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.680 see our headlights coming from you, know a half mile, 1255 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.600 away did it hear our? Engine did it then clack 1256 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.079 to give a. WARNING i don't, know but it was 1257 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:11.359 either very much coincidental or it really did. Happen so 1258 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.520 we got back from our drive and again we can't 1259 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:17.359 have a, fire so we went to bed pretty, early 1260 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:24.079 and about eleven thirty AGAIN i hear that same owl 1261 01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.520 hooting across the creek, again and this time it stopped 1262 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:33.000 after ten or twelve. Hoots and then about five minutes after, 1263 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.680 THAT i heard a couple of footsteps on the ridge 1264 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.560 up above. Us now the twig breaking and footsteps up 1265 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:46.239 above my tent were PROBABLY i don't, know seventy five 1266 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:50.000 feet away or, so and it was going pretty. Slowly 1267 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.600 in other, WORDS i wouldn't hear constant, walking SO i 1268 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.960 couldn't tell if it was bipedal or a. Bear but 1269 01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:02.640 maybe ten minutes after, that something was right Outside david's. 1270 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:09.479 Tent So i'm we had just started setting up our 1271 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.319 recorders AND i put, up you, know a recorder out 1272 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:16.960 telling on a. Pole they BUT i put my phone 1273 01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.680 AND i, SAID i want to start recording things IF i. 1274 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.039 Can so my phone was ready to start recording and 1275 01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:27.880 things inside my, tent and all of a, SUDDEN i 1276 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:33.439 you're woken up by this hooting right there's literally ten 1277 01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.960 feet away from, It like there's a pole over there 1278 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:38.920 in the in the. MEADOW i was behind this you 1279 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.239 know bush of the, trees you know where my where 1280 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.720 my tent, was but it was only ten feet away 1281 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.520 from this pulse and it was right by that. Pole 1282 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.079 it was like standing and it was, loud and it 1283 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.680 was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa you, know it sounded like 1284 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:55.399 a bart owt. O but then it goes, off you, 1285 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.439 know into like the curse of. It you, know it's 1286 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.319 a little, different BUT i was, like what DO i do? 1287 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.119 Now SO i started recording And i'm, like DO i get? Out? 1288 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.119 Now do WHAT i? DO i turn on my? Light, 1289 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.720 WELL i want to scare this thing. OFF i don't 1290 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.920 know what it. IS i you, know from by this 1291 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.119 time with all the duty and things in especially What 1292 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.279 i've heard the night before with Those sierra, sounds AND 1293 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.920 i was, like, oh what DO i do? Here so 1294 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.720 then it started move it it moved across and was further. 1295 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.119 Away it was like across the meadow and was doing 1296 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.000 the same. Thing AND i didn't hear any like walking 1297 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.439 or anything like. That BUT i didn't hear any you, 1298 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.800 know we had, heard, uh we'd heard an owl start flying, 1299 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:41.760 before but it had we'd heard the wing flaps at that, 1300 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.920 time but NOT i didn't hear anything like that on this. 1301 01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.039 Time but it was loud and it kept, going and 1302 01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.359 then we started hearing some responses farther away with, that 1303 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.079 and SO i was, like this thing is right outside my, 1304 01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:00.600 tent whatever it, is and if this is a a book, 1305 01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.039 FLIP i don't know IF i should start getting out 1306 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.439 of leaked tent or. WHATEVER i, MEAN i was armed 1307 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.600 and things like, that but it's like what do you 1308 01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.720 do in that? Situation and it, was Like david, said 1309 01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:12.439 it was extremely. 1310 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:16.520 Loud you, know people talk about they feel a percussion 1311 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.119 in their chest or. SOMETHING i don't know IF i felt, 1312 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.239 that but this thing was one of the loudest Things 1313 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:25.359 i've ever, heard and it sounded like it was on the. Ground, 1314 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.479 AGAIN i guess it doesn't mean it couldn't have been an, 1315 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.720 owl but it. Didn't it sounded like something imitating an. 1316 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:38.239 Owl and this my recorder was about one hundred yards, 1317 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:44.039 away And i've listened to, it and on my recorder 1318 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.520 it is extremely loud from one hundred yards. Away it 1319 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:53.399 was just crazy how loud it. Is And david's looked 1320 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:55.640 at it on a spectrum. Analysis he'll talk about that 1321 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.760 in a. Second but you, know we get out and 1322 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.520 look around, again we don't find. Anything we kind of 1323 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.239 go back to. Bed But i've since listened to that 1324 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:11.880 night on all my, recordings and during the, night once 1325 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.720 we were eventually, asleep after probably one or two, am 1326 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:22.720 there were two distant, howls like The ohio, howls separated 1327 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.159 by probably fifteen, minutes so there's one howl and then. 1328 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:31.359 Another we heard four or five different whistles on my 1329 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:35.920 tape for that, night and then there was also a metal, 1330 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.520 banging almost like something hitting sheet. Metal And i've done 1331 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.039 a little bit of research on YouTube AND i found 1332 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.760 a couple of other people who were in this same 1333 01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.800 campground who have heard, that AND i, was you, know 1334 01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.239 they were trying to figure out what it. Was and 1335 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:54.199 literally just the other DAY i started, THINKING i wonder 1336 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.840 if it's a road sign or something that something is, 1337 01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:59.680 hitting because you, know there are signs on the main 1338 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:04.600 road d you, know saying turn here for gypsy, meadows 1339 01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:08.479 or there's a sharp corner or speed limit or. Whatever 1340 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.079 but something there's a metallic bang THAT i hear at 1341 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:18.279 like three in the morning on my recorder and, anyway 1342 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:21.039 we didn't hear any of that because we were. Asleep 1343 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.920 But david has done a spectrum analysis on that guy 1344 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.399 that whatever it, was it was you, know on the. 1345 01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:30.680 Ground it wasn't in the, air or wasn't in a. 1346 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.119 Tree something was on the ground low making these. Noises 1347 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:38.039 and he's done a spectrum analysis and compared it to 1348 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:38.880 Bart owls. 1349 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.920 Bug you, KNOW i, had you, know took it from 1350 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.640 my iPhone recorder and put it on the you, Know 1351 01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.039 audacity and put on the spectro analysis AND i downloaded 1352 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:53.720 different he or four different barred owl sounds you, know 1353 01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.239 from The, internet and try to compare that to what it, 1354 01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:01.680 was and they were. Different they, didn't you, know really. 1355 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:05.640 Anything neil liked, it SO i. Didn't you, Know i'm 1356 01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:10.199 not a another sound expert or or anything like, that 1357 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:15.319 but WHEN i was trying to compare it to known 1358 01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.800 bard owl, sounds it was, different you, know for me 1359 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.159 where it, was BUT i don't know what could be 1360 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:25.840 something that loud it. Was it was very loud and really. 1361 01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:31.039 Close aaron d didn't want to get out of the 1362 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.960 tent at That and since Then i've sent a message 1363 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:40.600 to is It is It Chris spencer from The Olympic. 1364 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.000 PROJECT i could be getting the name, Wrong. 1365 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:46.680 Yeah, yeah Probably Chris, Spencer David, Ellis, yeah it Was Chris. 1366 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:50.279 SPENCER i DIDN'T i didn't send him the the, recording 1367 01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:54.880 BUT i did ask him if if he's if he 1368 01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.079 has any experience or anything of them mimicking, owls and 1369 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.720 and he replied to me he's heard them mimic just about, 1370 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:08.479 everything but he's never heard of them mimicking. Owls and 1371 01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:14.159 SO i didn't send it to. Him But i've since 1372 01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.880 on YouTube heard two or three other people talk about 1373 01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.479 something that didn't quite sound like an, owl and they're 1374 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:25.640 associating it with bigfoot. Activity, so you, know thinking about, 1375 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.600 that AS i Said, david AND i like to analyze 1376 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.920 everything sometimes maybe way too. MUCH i, MEAN i think 1377 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.640 there are, basically you, know three. Options maybe maybe it 1378 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:38.319 was all owls and maybe we're. WRONG i mean that's option. 1379 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:44.720 One option two is is you, know at some point 1380 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.720 a bigfoot was mimicking an. Owl the third option Because 1381 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:54.479 david heard. WHOOPS i heard whoops two different. NIGHTS i heard. 1382 01:20:54.479 --> 01:21:01.439 Whoops the third option, is you, know Maybe bigfoot is 1383 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:07.800 using those owl hoots to try to mask their their. 1384 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.960 Whoops but you, know even if if we're completely, wrong 1385 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.039 then we're. Wrong and you, know if option one is 1386 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.399 true that there was all owls and then we're. Wrong 1387 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:21.640 BUT I i can't imagine, everything especially the you, know 1388 01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:24.640 that doesn't explain that The sierra sounds That david. Found 1389 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.840 but if either they were mimicking owls or they used 1390 01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:32.039 owls to mask their own, woops that still shows you, 1391 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:36.960 know pretty good intelligence to be able to do. That but, 1392 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:39.359 anyway the next morning we got up and we both 1393 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.239 walked down to the bathroom and there was this little 1394 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:47.039 road going Into gypsy. Meadows it's PROBABLY i don't, Know 1395 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.359 i'll just, Say, david ten feet, wide eight feet, wide 1396 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:52.039 something like. That it's, not it's. Not it's not a 1397 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.319 two lane. Road it's a one lane. Road, basically, yeah 1398 01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:02.319 tenz wide or. Something but, anyway we're walking down and 1399 01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:07.439 we looked down and in the tracks That david's one 1400 01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:10.600 ton truck had, made all of a, sudden we see 1401 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:16.039 this eighteen by, six so eighteen inches long and six inches, 1402 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:20.199 wide wet spot that looked like a foot and there 1403 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.720 was only one of. Them so if this was a real, 1404 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:28.640 print and we think it, was you, know it basically 1405 01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.359 took one step onto the road and was, gone and 1406 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:35.920 it was probably probably a little more than halfway, across 1407 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:38.359 maybe two thirds away across the. Road and then we 1408 01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.199 started looking around and the creek was only maybe one 1409 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.359 hundred to one hundred and fifty yards. Away and THEN 1410 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:49.520 i Think david noticed that right where it had crossed 1411 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:53.359 the main road there was another tree, break and this 1412 01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:59.239 tree break was fairly fresh in that the upper part 1413 01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.520 the leave were just starting to turn, yellow but they 1414 01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.079 still had green needles on, them and the needles below 1415 01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:13.159 were completely. Green so so we're not saying that the 1416 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:17.079 tree break occurred at the same time as this, print 1417 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.600 but something left a wet eighteen inch footprint on that. 1418 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:27.199 Road the break on the green tree at one time 1419 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.960 it had been, green and, so like you, said the 1420 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.800 upper the leaves on the above the break were, yellow 1421 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.279 so they had been dying for a little. While but 1422 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.520 the break was up about nine feet light be. Tall 1423 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.560 and there again we're looking around to see who has that. 1424 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:44.800 Break is something fall on this or you know, whatever 1425 01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.399 end there's. Not it's like something that held up there 1426 01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:50.640 and actually had to hold it and break it in 1427 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:53.880 order for. It and it was pointed towards the road 1428 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:57.479 again like the other one we had seen back in twenty, 1429 01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:01.800 two going towards the. Trail so that was pretty, strange you, 1430 01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.159 know for. That BUT i got a picture of that 1431 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:08.000 wet footprint next to my shoe and it definitely is. Big. 1432 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:13.079 Yeah and that afternoon we found a trail across the. 1433 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.920 Road it was it was a regular hiking. Trail we 1434 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:19.640 took it up and probably about a mile and alfter 1435 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:23.119 two miles up the trail just off the trail there 1436 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:25.880 was some grass that was maybe two and a half 1437 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:30.600 three feet, tall And david noticed that there was a 1438 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:35.319 bedding area for probably three or four. Deer it wasn't 1439 01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:37.640 what they weren't. Big i'm not implying, that you, know 1440 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:40.920 anything bigger than a deer was. There and we, thought, 1441 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.640 oh that's kind of, neat but, well we had missed going. 1442 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:48.319 Out we found on the way back that, afternoon about 1443 01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.800 fifty feet from those three or four little deer beds 1444 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:57.560 in this, grass something with two feet had stood in 1445 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.960 the grass about fifty feet away and was had apparently, 1446 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.119 been you, know looking at these deer while they were. 1447 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:11.960 Sleeping david actually found both the deer beds and the 1448 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.640 the other, print and both of them were just like 1449 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:19.520 five feet off the, trail but something had either stood 1450 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.199 or perhaps, squatted and you could definitely, see you, know 1451 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:27.520 about eighteen inch impression in the grass where something had 1452 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.479 stood with one foot you, know maybe six inches away 1453 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.920 from the other foot and it was looking in the 1454 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:37.600 direction of those. Deer so that was kind of crazy. 1455 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:42.199 Too it was standing right by a tree and just two, 1456 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.479 different two different, footprints you, know just smashing the grass. 1457 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:50.039 Down you can definitely see. That so the next the 1458 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.319 next thing that happened, was you, know the next, day 1459 01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:57.039 we were just relaxing in midday in our hammocks and 1460 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.920 by this time we're, Thinking, okay are these Hoots nimi 1461 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.520 being or not and so we're starting to wonder what that. 1462 01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:07.159 Is so then mid mid after, me we're just resting 1463 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.680 in our, hammocks all of a sudden we hear inspired 1464 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:12.479 about thirty feet away up on the ridge behind our. 1465 01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:17.199 Camp we hear this, whoo you, know and we look 1466 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:19.960 at each other and, go that is. Close so we 1467 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:24.479 grabbed our gear and grab my, camera grab our, gear you, 1468 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.359 know and started heading up to the ridge behind our, 1469 01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:31.039 camp thinking we're going to see something and find. Something 1470 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:36.159 and it's, close AND i turned my camera. On i'm 1471 01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.439 trying To we're not, running we're walking. Slow we're trying 1472 01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:42.920 to catch. Something and then follow this and we start 1473 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:47.399 following this trail and we'd see these big prints in 1474 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:49.560 the side of this ridge and we have pictures of 1475 01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.880 these big. Prints they're all about sixteen inches. Long and 1476 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:57.000 we're following this up this. Ridge when we go and 1477 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.720 as we're going, along all of a, sudden often to 1478 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.039 the other direction from where we had seen THE x. 1479 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.800 Direction across the road on the other side of the, 1480 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:08.439 road we hear these three distinct, whoops you, know not 1481 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:12.720 not hoots every, day who whoo. Whoops And i'd turn 1482 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:16.560 A curtis AND i, go we're not we're not. Moving 1483 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:19.640 we're going where we're going Because i'm not getting distracted 1484 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:21.840 and called in a different direction because this thing is 1485 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:24.920 this direction from where we were. Going and he, agreed 1486 01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.920 and we you, know we kept, going and not too 1487 01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:31.039 long after, that my battery. Died it was, like what the? 1488 01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:32.560 Heck this is a fully charged. 1489 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:36.319 Battery you, know it's going, out you know within you, 1490 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:38.159 know just a few minutes of the time that we're 1491 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.920 up here, videotaping AND i hadn't grabbed an extra. BATTERY 1492 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:42.279 i didn't think he was going to. Die could have 1493 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:46.720 been fully. Charged but who knows why why that, happens you, 1494 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:51.119 know with. That but on the way, BACK i had 1495 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:55.880 noticed a wet, area you, know on the way, back 1496 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.520 SO i kept that in my mind before we are, 1497 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.760 gone AND i don't know if you had anything to 1498 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.479 say on that, perspective we had started walking through some other. 1499 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:09.640 Areas, Yeah so we also founded a teepee structure when 1500 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.399 we were following those hoots up the. Ridge it was 1501 01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:16.159 probably five branches that came together at a, point probably 1502 01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:19.640 twenty feet. Tall so so here behind our camp there 1503 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:22.720 was AN x maybe one hundred yards directly by our, 1504 01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.920 camp and then off more towards THE i guess it 1505 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:30.560 would be, north maybe one hundred and fifty yards from THAT. 1506 01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.960 Ax we found a tepee, structure but we didn't really 1507 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.399 find much the next, day And david's actually looked at 1508 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.439 his video of that little marsh that he saw and 1509 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:44.279 there was nothing in the. Marsh that. Evening the next 1510 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:47.039 morning was our last full day. There we both got 1511 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.720 up and decided to walk down to the bathroom about seven, 1512 01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.720 am And david went into the, bathroom AND i didn't 1513 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:54.960 want to just stand there while he was going to the, 1514 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.039 bathroom SO i decided to walk out to the road 1515 01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.880 AND i kind of walked past that guy's trailer that 1516 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:03.680 we talked, about who had been there the whole time 1517 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.920 we were, There and WHEN i walked, by he was 1518 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:11.840 inside his, trailer and in the four or five days 1519 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:13.600 we had been, there we had seen him pretty much 1520 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:16.279 every day and waved at, him said, hi and he 1521 01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:18.479 was walking his dog in the. Meadow he'd say hi to. 1522 01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:20.359 Us we really didn't talk to, him but you, know 1523 01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.119 we were cordial with, him and he was cordial with. 1524 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.640 Us SO i kind of walked down the main road 1525 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:30.520 and cut back through the. Campground and he was the 1526 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:34.039 only one in this dispersed camp, area and he'd been 1527 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.079 there the whole. Week and WHEN i came back up 1528 01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:41.279 maybe two minutes, later he was outside looking around his 1529 01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:47.079 trailer and instead of saying, hi this, time he, goes 1530 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:53.760 where's your? Buddy what's he? Wearing you, Know i'm thinking to, 1531 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.000 Myself i'm a. GUY i don't know what my buddy is. 1532 01:29:56.039 --> 01:30:00.039 Going BUT i said. Why he, goes, well was he 1533 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.560 dressed in tan from head to? Toe AND i, said, 1534 01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.159 NO i don't think. So and he's still in the. 1535 01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:10.119 Bathroom what's going? On and he, said, WELL i heard 1536 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:14.239 you guys walking down to the, bathroom AND i saw 1537 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:14.920 you walk. 1538 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:15.119 Up to the. 1539 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.520 Road AND i sat down in my chair and about 1540 01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:22.399 ten seconds after you walked up to the, road my 1541 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:26.640 dog is at the, door barking and scratching and trying 1542 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.319 to get. Out and he wouldn't follow any, commands and 1543 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:34.560 he never does, that and so after about fifteen seconds 1544 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.840 of him scratching at his, door the guy got up and. 1545 01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:40.840 Looked he said he was expecting to see one of 1546 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.600 us in his, camp which we would have never. Done 1547 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:46.600 we're not going to walk into somebody's camp at seven 1548 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.000 in the. Morning but, anyway that's what he, expected and 1549 01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.800 that's why he asked What david was, wearing and he, 1550 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.600 said from the creek to the, road he saw something 1551 01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:03.119 big and. Tan from head To toehoh walk that whole. Distance, 1552 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.800 now the thing you have to realize is this is 1553 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.760 still a forested, area so it's kind of like you 1554 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:11.119 might see it for a second and then not see 1555 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:13.560 it for three or four, seconds and then see a 1556 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.159 glimpse of it, again and then you, know not see, 1557 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.760 it and then another, glimpse and in ten seconds it 1558 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:22.079 was across the. Road so he saw something big and. 1559 01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:26.960 Tan walk from from the wilderness area across the creek 1560 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.239 and up to the, road and you, Know david gets 1561 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.920 out of the bathroom and we all look. Around didn't 1562 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.399 really find anything at the, time and so we started 1563 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:39.880 talking to the guy and he, said you, Know i've 1564 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:41.760 been here the whole, week like you guys, have And 1565 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:45.600 I've i've heard some really strange. Things i've, heard you, 1566 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:50.600 know sounds at, night and he basically verified the samurai 1567 01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:53.720 chatter from the couple nights. Before he didn't really hear the, 1568 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:57.039 chatter but whatever had made the noise woke him up 1569 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:00.720 the same time That david heard the. Chatter he said 1570 01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:03.840 he's heard wood, knocks he heard a tree get knocked, 1571 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.640 over and then he looked At david AND i and he, 1572 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:10.439 SAID i THINK i just Saw. Bigfoot and you, know 1573 01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.279 there was no one else in the. Campground david AND 1574 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:17.039 i were the only other. HUMANS i was, down you, 1575 01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.720 know down the road maybe one hundred, yards And david 1576 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:22.960 was in the bathroom and something came out of the, 1577 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:27.920 wilderness locked between his trailer and the bathroom and locked 1578 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.640 up the. Road so that was pretty. Interesting and then 1579 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.880 that late, Afternoon david had an idea thinking back to 1580 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.520 what we had done In, california and it was sort 1581 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:42.840 of our last thing In washington that we that we checked. 1582 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.600 Out SO i remember that WHEN i noted that wet 1583 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:49.680 area up when we were going up with my camera 1584 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.279 on that, ridge AND i Told, CURTISON i don't want 1585 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.760 to leave without going and checking this. Out it's a 1586 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:58.159 trap track or a track, trap THEN i want to 1587 01:32:58.199 --> 01:32:59.840 go check it, out or Else i'm going to always. 1588 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:04.000 Want so we went back up there and we're walking 1589 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:06.239 along and looking and we come around the corner and 1590 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:12.840 here are two footprints in the mud THAT i, go, 1591 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:16.319 wow look at. That and we go over there and 1592 01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.920 we start we measure them and they're sixteen and a 1593 01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:23.159 half inches long and the stride was forty eight to 1594 01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.920 fifty two, inches you, know for the next, step and they, 1595 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:29.680 go this is, amazing and they're. Wide we definitely see 1596 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:32.319 some toes on. There it was in the wet wetness 1597 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:37.159 if it wasn't like deep water or, anything but they 1598 01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:41.000 were definitely, visible and we got pictures of, those and 1599 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.159 we then we look around and we start, saying, okay 1600 01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.239 where'd they come? From and we started looking back and 1601 01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:50.279 where it got actually more more, wet and there was 1602 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:54.760 actually water in this kind of creek deep type marsh. 1603 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:58.920 Area we could see all the water was covered with 1604 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.880 the pine beetles they had fallen on the water and 1605 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.680 it was just still water and you could see these 1606 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:10.239 areas of steps where there was no pine. Needles and 1607 01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:12.159 we followed it back and they were all about the 1608 01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:15.840 same you, know distance of, stride and we kept falling 1609 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:17.760 it back and you lean about one hundred yards further 1610 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:22.520 in that, direction and we found a by a, tree 1611 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:26.479 kind of on the uphills. Slant we found this, again 1612 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.680 a sixteen and a half inch footprint with toes and. 1613 01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:30.560 Stuff we couldn't it was on a, hill so we 1614 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.079 didn't weren't able to cast, that and we weren't able 1615 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:35.840 to cast the ones in the mud because it was 1616 01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:39.479 how wet it. Was but we took, pictures measured, it 1617 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.199 and stopped the interesting, later like herdis, SAID i went 1618 01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:47.239 back to my video recorder and we had walked by 1619 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:51.600 that area the day before WHEN i was chasing that, 1620 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:55.960 food AND i DIDN'T i couldn't see those footprints in 1621 01:34:56.039 --> 01:35:01.039 that same you know swap the day. Before so in 1622 01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:04.840 retrospect that it was interesting that we were showing that 1623 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:07.880 something had walked up that, night you, know through that wet. 1624 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:13.840 Area and we talked earlier what makes the sixteen and 1625 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:17.159 a half inch. FOOT i was a math major in, 1626 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:21.840 college so numbers just intrigued. Me and a sixteen and 1627 01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.640 a half inch, foot which is What david found in a, 1628 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:31.199 human equates essentially to a seven foot tall. Person shaquille 1629 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.560 O'Neill's foot is sixteen and a half inches and he 1630 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:37.520 wears a size twenty two. Shoe and to put that in, 1631 01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.119 perspective you know how many people are seven feet, tall 1632 01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.600 and it's basically one person per quarter million, people so 1633 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:50.079 it's pretty. Rare and THEN i knew that in, orthopedics 1634 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.279 which is my, specialty we have gaate analysis, studies and 1635 01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:59.319 SO i went to the formula used to kind of 1636 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:05.760 match step length to, height And david had measured forty 1637 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.920 eight to fifty two inches between these four steps through that, 1638 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:13.960 marsh and just using the lowest, number if you equate 1639 01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:18.600 that to a human human stride is usually about thirty 1640 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:21.520 three thirty four. Inches for a six foot tall person 1641 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.319 to have a forty eight inch, stride you have to 1642 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.119 be nine feet six inches tall if you're a. Human 1643 01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.720 and then you, know to put that in, PERSPECTIVE i then, said, 1644 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.439 well is there even a nine foot tall person? Alive 1645 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:45.119 and the tallest person in known written history was like 1646 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:49.119 eight feet ten, inches so there's never in least recent 1647 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.680 history been anybody nine feet tall or. Bigger so although 1648 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:59.680 we never again Saw bigfoot on this trip or anything like. 1649 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:03.039 That and Like david had said About, california we never smelled, 1650 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:08.640 anything you, know we Heard david heard samurai, sound and 1651 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:14.880 we found extra large footprints with toes that equate to 1652 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.520 a giant if they were a. Human so the chances 1653 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:25.680 of it being human are. Infinitesimal, really SO i think 1654 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:29.600 we're both in the in the the camp now That 1655 01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.920 bigfoot was there In washington when we were. 1656 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.760 There, guys this is this is a wild a. COW i, mean. 1657 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:42.199 Are you guys playing on maybe going back there? Someday 1658 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:44.439 if if this is, ME i would be already, Like, 1659 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.399 Okay i'm going back to this area or. 1660 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:47.520 Maybe if you don't want. 1661 01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:52.000 To it did get a little Intense, saturday we're Going. 1662 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:57.680 Saturday we're leaving Leaving saturday With saturdays. 1663 01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.279 And you know it's a different time of the, year 1664 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.159 but we're go On. Saturday and then we're also planning 1665 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:05.279 and going back again at the end Of august in 1666 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.479 case there's some kind of migrational thing and we don't 1667 01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:12.079 find anything in in you, know next. Week so, yes 1668 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.840 we're we're definitely going back To washington at least two more. 1669 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.279 Times oh, wow. 1670 01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:22.079 Is this still going to be the two of you 1671 01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:26.319 or are any Plans are there any local researchers to the. 1672 01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:27.039 Area i'm trying to. 1673 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:31.079 Think, so, yeah there are the one that we talked, about, 1674 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.600 uh that we'd watched his. Videos he's going to meet 1675 01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:39.439 up with us. There his name Is Will. Holmer and 1676 01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:45.199 Then jonathan And Sarah brown heard our story And jonathan called. 1677 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.359 Me he actually called me WHEN i was In, ANTARCTICA 1678 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.119 i believe it or. NOT i was on a cruise 1679 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:52.479 ship down In antarctica and he woke me up at 1680 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:54.800 like two in the morning and he, said, hey are 1681 01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:58.359 you guys available In june to go up? Again so 1682 01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:02.920 we're Meeting, John nathan And Sarah brown and this Will 1683 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:05.520 homer In. June now when we go back In, august 1684 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.720 we're just planning on going the two of us. 1685 01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.039 Here our wives are going with. Us this, fine they 1686 01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:13.399 want to go up on this, trip so we're we're 1687 01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:14.119 taking them those. 1688 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:21.039 Bait you, Laugh BUT i mean we all we all 1689 01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:21.680 know that. 1690 01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:23.239 They like they like. 1691 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:25.479 Women, yeah when when. 1692 01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.920 The female side is, introduced some really weird things can. 1693 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.000 Happen, RIGHT i mean. 1694 01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:33.600 Definitely, Yeah so this next week there'll be at Least 1695 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:37.319 Sarah brown and then our two, Wives so hopefully that 1696 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:38.960 will attract. 1697 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:39.359 Something. 1698 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:47.159 Wow, Man so The browns is so, GOOD i. AM 1699 01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.720 i would assume they're they're going to be documenting uh 1700 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:52.399 that as. 1701 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:54.439 Well they plan on. 1702 01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.680 It they want to See jonathan heard heard about our 1703 01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:00.680 story AND i talked to him on the phone for 1704 01:40:01.239 --> 01:40:04.399 an hour or, so and he he wants to go 1705 01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:06.319 see all these, things like THE. X i, mean THE 1706 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:09.199 x should still be, there you, know it's just you, 1707 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:13.520 know what are we eight months? Ago THE x should 1708 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:14.920 still be there and you should be able to see 1709 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:18.279 the twisted bottom of the. Tree and obviously the footprints 1710 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:21.239 won't be, there but they can at least see the. 1711 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:24.680 Area and Then Will Will homer is one of the 1712 01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:27.560 local guys and he's going to be. There he's had 1713 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:31.680 a lot of experience more down in the campground. AREA 1714 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:36.319 i don't believe he is actually camped up In Gypsy, 1715 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:40.000 meadows but he said he wanted to join, us join 1716 01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.319 us and see if we can find anything that's. 1717 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:47.439 Awesome you, know it'd be great to. See i'm a 1718 01:40:47.479 --> 01:40:51.760 big fan of Their Salish sasquatch. Channel they do a great. Job, 1719 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:55.039 yeah so it'll be cool to see what they are 1720 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:59.720 able to. Document but also the other guy is that 1721 01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:03.439 the man fifty eight. Channel, yes, yes, yeah, okay, okay 1722 01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:08.039 THAT'S i was, like this sounds really. Familiar THE i 1723 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:11.840 was looking through the pictures you sent while you guys were, 1724 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:17.840 talking and that that picture of THE x is absolutely it's, 1725 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:22.159 incredible just the way that it. Is it's really. Woven 1726 01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:24.119 and if you guys are cool, that LIKE i can 1727 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:26.560 CAN i put that in the speed? 1728 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:30.520 Version? Yeah, yeah you could post any. Anything i've sent 1729 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.239 you all the pictures of the prints and all that, 1730 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:33.640 too so thank. 1731 01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:37.760 You, well it's it's it's a perfectly SYMMETRICAL. X, Yeah 1732 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:44.039 and both branches are wedged in between two standing trees 1733 01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:48.920 that are only about six feet apart those two, trees 1734 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:54.279 and the space there wedged in is probably only a. 1735 01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:58.560 Foot and, then Like david, said the one, tree it's 1736 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:02.600 rootball had been pushed, up but the other tree is 1737 01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:06.359 twisted at the, Base so you, know you think could 1738 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.640 the one fall that? Way, sure BUT i don't know 1739 01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:14.079 unless there was a, tornado how one the other tree would. 1740 01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:16.039 Twist and of course if there was a, tornado the 1741 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.760 other trees around would be gone, Too SO i mean 1742 01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:22.079 it just it is an AMAZING x. Structure there's no. 1743 01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:25.720 Doubt it's probably one of the best ones That i've seen, 1744 01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.359 It like it is so good That i'm, like, man 1745 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:31.760 it's just like this is a screen cap from like 1746 01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:34.199 The Todds standing documentary that look is? 1747 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:34.640 That but. 1748 01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:38.119 Like look through the metadata of the. PHOTO i was, Like, 1749 01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:41.319 oh it's the it's right. There LIKE i looked up 1750 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:45.720 the when you take a photo with an, iPhone it 1751 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.720 captures the metadata and you can look up the you, 1752 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:49.840 know the location on. 1753 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.479 IT i was, Like, oh it's right where they're saying it, is. 1754 01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:57.159 And Like, david Like david, said it's probably the only 1755 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:02.359 one hundred yards behind where Were and the crazy thing 1756 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:05.720 is it was probably thirty more yards to the road 1757 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.479 or forty more yards from the. ROAD i couldn't see, 1758 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:10.800 it LIKE i, SAID i was looking in from the 1759 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.960 road WHEN i marked the, trail and from a camp 1760 01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:16.560 you can't see. It you only see it when you 1761 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:19.560 get MAYBE i don't, know what would you, say twenty 1762 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.119 yards from, It? David? Maybe or thirty yards. 1763 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:25.000 From, it, YEAH i mean if you or we're walking. 1764 01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:26.800 Up we didn't see it till we got you, know 1765 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:28.840 we're coming up at hill when we're work than, that 1766 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.119 but if you're coming in from the, road you wouldn't 1767 01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.560 get it until it inside the tree, line, Right. 1768 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:44.479 Absolutely, incredible the, uh the uh hooting weird sounds that 1769 01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:50.880 you were Hearing at any point did it sound, like you, 1770 01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:53.920 know you would hear the who and then at the 1771 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.119 end of, it would it sound like it was something 1772 01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.960 that was messing it up or didn't really know how 1773 01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:03.119 to finish the, sound or like it didn't do the 1774 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:05.039 normal owl sound correct at the. 1775 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:06.680 End was there anything like that at? 1776 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:11.239 All that's WHAT i interpreted it as is it had 1777 01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.640 been it had been mimic you. 1778 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:13.760 Know. 1779 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:19.159 AGAIN I i Messaged Chris. Spencer he he hasn't heard 1780 01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:23.640 of anything mimicking owls AND i respect his, work you, know. 1781 01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:31.880 Immensely And sarah And jonathan have the the recording and 1782 01:44:32.199 --> 01:44:34.640 they said that they would send it To. CHRIS i 1783 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:36.479 don't know if he's looked at it or listen to, 1784 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:41.119 it but it sounded to me like at first something 1785 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:45.760 was pretty well mimicking the. Owl but then like, again 1786 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.640 LIKE i, Said i'm sort of putting human characteristics on this. 1787 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:53.560 Sound after a couple of, minutes it was getting louder 1788 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:57.880 and the hoots became, quicker and as they became, quicker 1789 01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:03.119 they sort of degraded into a. Whoop, so you, KNOW 1790 01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:06.399 i guess it's almost as if it couldn't keep up 1791 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.680 the perfect. Mimicking if it was mimicking an owl and 1792 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:15.279 then resorted to we've all heard whoops being described or 1793 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:19.520 heard heard recordings of, Woops so that's sort of HOW i. Interpreted, 1794 01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:22.239 obviously my interpretation could be. 1795 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:23.159 Wrong you. 1796 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:26.159 Know the other, option LIKE i, said is if the 1797 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:29.960 owl was making most of that first you, know minute 1798 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.800 and a, half two minutes of that, hooting you, know 1799 01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:38.199 maybe the loop was only to come at the end 1800 01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:41.279 of the hooting to sort of mix in and kind 1801 01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:44.159 of confuse anything. ELSE i, MEAN i look at those 1802 01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:48.159 as the two. Options and either, way whether it is 1803 01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:51.680 mimicking and then just degrades after a couple of, minutes 1804 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.760 or whether it just adds it on that takes intelligence to, 1805 01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.640 do you, know either, Way. 1806 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.199 AND i don't know. HOW i just don't know how 1807 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:04.239 you could go from the owl ooting to heal there 1808 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:06.560 oh la la la la la la, la and then 1809 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:12.399 back to outing as you're moving across the. Forest so even. 1810 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:15.960 Even you, know if my other, explanations and even If 1811 01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:21.039 Chris spencer is, corrected he hasn't Heard owl's being. Mimicked 1812 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:25.199 that still doesn't explain The sierra sounds That david definitely, 1813 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:28.840 heard and you, know the the other camper heard as 1814 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:30.399 he verified the next morning. 1815 01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.119 Exactly AND i think that's a that's a great way 1816 01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.520 to put that because it is a unique account where 1817 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:43.880 you have the other campers and then you have the 1818 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:45.800 gentleman in the trailer that had. 1819 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.520 The visual as. Well it's just it's a really really cool. 1820 01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:53.479 ACCOUNT i can't wait to, see you, know what happens 1821 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:56.119 when you guys go, back and it's very. 1822 01:46:56.199 --> 01:47:00.319 Cool, yeah we can't. 1823 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:00.560 Either. 1824 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.800 Man that's a that's a that's a wild drive for you, 1825 01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:06.600 though isn't he tell me about? 1826 01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:09.600 It? Yeah, Yeah SO i have to fly From phoenix 1827 01:47:09.680 --> 01:47:12.800 To sacramento and then it's like a forty narrow drive from, 1828 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:13.880 There david or something like. 1829 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:18.920 That, yeah well we'll drive up probably, halfway stayed, somewhere 1830 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:19.600 and then finish it. 1831 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:24.760 Off but like you, said with with what we've in 1832 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:29.520 no no putting down what we found In, california we 1833 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.000 definitely have have the fever after what we found In, 1834 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:34.800 washington and it's worth the drive up. 1835 01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:40.399 There oh, yeah, Absolutely AND i definitely understand that neither 1836 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:44.279 of you had had the, visual but you're just extremely extremely. 1837 01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:48.560 Close it's, yeah it just it gets. YOU i totally 1838 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:53.399 totally get. It and SO i would assume that you 1839 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.039 guys are Both. 1840 01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:02.680 The needles probably moved away after that last, account will? 1841 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.199 It you, SAY i don't think the needle can. Move Let's, 1842 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:06.720 Troy yeah, right, yeah. 1843 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:09.199 Yeah and LIKE i, Said i'm a math, herd and 1844 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:15.920 in my, Mind i've Done i've done the probability of 1845 01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:21.479 having a seven foot tall or greater person running one 1846 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:26.439 hundred and fifty yards through the forest at, night in the, dark, 1847 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:31.359 barefoot in a light, rain across, terrain and traveling that 1848 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:36.960 distance in twenty or so. Seconds i've done the math 1849 01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:42.199 and it is. Infinitesimal, literally it's greater than one in 1850 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:45.800 fifty million chants that that could have been a human 1851 01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:49.399 that ran across that guy's camp that. Night you, KNOW 1852 01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:53.560 i know that sounds, crazy BUT i am a numbers. 1853 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:57.479 GUY i think in, numbers and it is just almost 1854 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.479 impossible for any of that to have been a. Human 1855 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:05.319 and what other animal can can, speak you, Know Samurai, 1856 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:10.000 cheddar it's. Tuff, yeah that's that's the so we're we're 1857 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:11.680 pretty convinced now if you're, right. 1858 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:16.079 Yes, absolutely is it a? Thing where. 1859 01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:23.359 Are you are you prepared to potentially have a sighting. 1860 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.079 When you go back in just a few days? 1861 01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.800 Potentially that's an interesting. 1862 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:32.199 Question so let's Not i've heard about, that SO i 1863 01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.720 wouldn't take the people always ask me what are you 1864 01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:39.399 going to do when, you you, know see one or 1865 01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:43.039 need one type. Thing and one of the things that 1866 01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:45.680 that just hit me over the last month or, two 1867 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.199 just to go back to my interest in The indians and, 1868 01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:52.560 stuff is THAT i would like to try to, communicate if, 1869 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:56.279 possible you, know with these, things And i'm trying to 1870 01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:59.560 figure out how to do. That and my one thought came, 1871 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.000 up if these guys have been around for so long 1872 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.760 and Around indian tribes and they've all you, know Other 1873 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.079 indians used to you, know tribes used to actually trade with, 1874 01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:13.359 them or you, know they they felt that they were 1875 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.640 the keepers of the forest they, kept you, know they 1876 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:18.479 were like another tribe of people out. There AND i 1877 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:20.960 believe these are intelligent, beings AND i think they're as 1878 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:23.560 so intelligent as we. Are they're a lot more knowledgeable 1879 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.680 of nature than we. Are but my thought came, as 1880 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:32.279 how About Native american sign? Language, yeah maybe that was 1881 01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.600 passed on in their, generation if they were. POSSIBLE i 1882 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.960 think they've observed people and they can pick up on 1883 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:42.279 things and. Stuff but it was interesting thought for me 1884 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:45.359 that The Native american sign language might be something that 1885 01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:50.239 would be passed down their generations and. Stuff So i've 1886 01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.600 been trying to learn some of that in, case you, 1887 01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:56.760 know that was you, know one of my things and. 1888 01:50:56.840 --> 01:51:00.159 Stuff So i'm trying to prepare for that for if that. 1889 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.199 Happens it's all going to be on how aggressive they 1890 01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:06.520 are or how willing they're. Doing But i've been trying 1891 01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:09.000 to learn some of that information in the case of 1892 01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:09.479 what might be what. 1893 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.520 Happens and When david brought that up to me last, 1894 01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:16.119 week you, know that idea popped into his. HEAD i 1895 01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:20.359 started looking up the native tribes that were in the 1896 01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:27.920 area in Northeast, washington and The Colville indians were, there 1897 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.279 and SO i tried to look up if they had 1898 01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:35.079 a spoken, language And I've i've looked up the word 1899 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:38.640 for peace and the word for, friend so we we 1900 01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:42.359 have those two words that we haven't spoken. Language And 1901 01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:46.199 david's been learning sign, language and then it'll be interesting 1902 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:49.920 to have you, Know Jonathan brown, there who you know 1903 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:53.159 lives on An indian reservation and see what his thoughts 1904 01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:54.359 are regarding. 1905 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:56.960 The the sign language thing has actually come up in 1906 01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.800 a few interviews That i've, done taking scifically of the 1907 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:08.840 the CHAT i had with With ernie From Western massachusetts 1908 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.199 where there was some SIGN I ridge involved with that. 1909 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:15.199 One also there's some, guy there's at least one Gentleman 1910 01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:22.399 i've talked to off record where he, yeah that is 1911 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:25.119 that is a part of it where sign language seems 1912 01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:28.680 to be. Effective SO i would say you're probably on 1913 01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:33.199 the right track, There. David is there a resource that 1914 01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:35.560 you found where you know you're looking? 1915 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:39.159 Up there's a two to. THINGS i got two different 1916 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:43.560 books on. It they weren't doing exactly WHAT i was. 1917 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:48.840 LIKING i found a YouTube channel that is that's been 1918 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.119 more help for me in where they have than the 1919 01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:55.960 Old Native american talking to somebody and he's using his 1920 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.680 hands and explaining the. Language because there's more to it 1921 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:03.279 than just learn a certain. Day that's the expressions and 1922 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:06.760 how you do it with. It So i've been kind 1923 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.760 of going through that trying to you, know that's been 1924 01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:12.520 more helpful to me going and looking at that that 1925 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:15.479 old guy Talking clinton's hands and he speaks that he 1926 01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:19.760 talked of the same. Time so that's been. Interesting that's. 1927 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:22.560 Awesome AND i, think you, know just from talking to 1928 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:27.880 you guys for for a little, bit it it sounds 1929 01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:31.119 What i'm getting is you guys definitely have the right you, 1930 01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:35.560 know intention and the right motivation and all. This AND 1931 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:37.359 i don't know how you guys feel about all, that 1932 01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:43.119 BUT i have found from talking to hundreds of people 1933 01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:45.960 and also being in the field with a few different, 1934 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:50.119 people that that definitely does play into. It is how 1935 01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:53.479 how the person is when they go into the field 1936 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:57.760 and why they're, there and do they have a positive 1937 01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:00.680 intent or negative? Intent that play into. Us SO i 1938 01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:04.279 think you guys are are on on the right trails 1939 01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:07.439 there as, well Unless i'm totally off base with, that 1940 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:08.159 BUT i don't THINK i. 1941 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:08.359 Am. 1942 01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.199 NO i think we kind of went into it at 1943 01:54:11.239 --> 01:54:15.079 the beginning with curiosity and, yeah and now we're we're 1944 01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:19.439 even more curious even though we've learned a lot and, uh, 1945 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:23.039 yeah we're we're we definitely want to we want to. 1946 01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:26.359 Know we think we know pretty, sure we, know but 1947 01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:30.279 we want to, know, uh and obviously we we'd we're 1948 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:32.319 not there to, hunt we're not there to do. Anything 1949 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.399 we just at first sort of did this as a. 1950 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:39.720 Fluke but now, now, uh now we're. 1951 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:45.359 Hooked. BASICALLY i appreciate your input on that BECAUSE i 1952 01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.359 hadn't heard anything about like gunion sign. Language but it's 1953 01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:51.840 good to know that that's. Uh that just makes me 1954 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:55.640 want to continue that that that process THAT i hadn't 1955 01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:57.960 heard about any got in the Corporate. 1956 01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:02.840 Well david And curse has been just a really fun 1957 01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:05.720 chat with you. GUYS i want to make sure that 1958 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:09.960 you were able to share everything that you had wanted 1959 01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:11.359 to share on the show. 1960 01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:14.680 TONIGHT i think the only other thing. 1961 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:19.840 One other, time and this is just a small. Finding 1962 01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:25.680 we were hiking in the wilderness across the creek and 1963 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:29.079 we Came we're literally in the middle of nowhere and 1964 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.199 there are no human trails, around and we came across 1965 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:39.359 this about five foot stump of this, big huge tree 1966 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.680 and on top of this tree. Mushroom stump was a fresh. 1967 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:48.000 Mushroom so, this, YEAH i forgot about that. 1968 01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:50.640 Thing, yeah the mushroom is it's like head almost head, 1969 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:53.920 high AND i look at it And i'm, going what 1970 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:56.880 is that. Doing it's laying, sideways AND i was, thinking, 1971 01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:58.760 well maybe it's growing out, there AND i went over 1972 01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:00.840 and it picked it, up and it was. Not it 1973 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:05.199 was set there on top of this stump in that particular, 1974 01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:07.159 place and it was a fresh month mush and it 1975 01:56:07.239 --> 01:56:09.960 wasn't dried. Up it was like brand, new fresh. Month 1976 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:11.520 it could have been growing, there but it was. Not 1977 01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:14.600 it was not. Attached so something had placed this mush 1978 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.800 in the middle of the wilderness that we were hiking 1979 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:18.000 on top of this. 1980 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:23.199 Stump and if we're to believe that that night That 1981 01:56:23.359 --> 01:56:27.439 david heard them travel from across the wilderness or across 1982 01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:30.239 the creek from the wilderness up to that other, ridge 1983 01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:34.840 that is the direction they came. From so that was 1984 01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:37.680 the only other thing that we saw or heard that 1985 01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:40.399 we didn't really talk. About so thanks for letting us 1986 01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:41.159 add that at the end. 1987 01:56:41.239 --> 01:56:46.039 Here, absolutely you, KNOW i would, say definitely keep in, touch. 1988 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:50.479 Guys it'll be it'll be interesting to see what, happens you, 1989 01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:53.600 know in just a few, days but also later on 1990 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:57.520 in the, summer and you, KNOW i, HOPE. 1991 01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:00.319 I hope some really cool stuff. 1992 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:02.680 Happens maybe you guys get freaked out a little, bit 1993 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:05.000 maybe not too, much but you, KNOW i hope it 1994 01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:05.880 all goes well for. 1995 01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:06.840 You so that was. 1996 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:09.960 Well even if it, Doesn't i'll be camping with my. 1997 01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:11.560 Buddy so that's that's what counts. 1998 01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:12.760 That there you, Go there you. 1999 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.000 Go but we have, big great. Mill we got the 2000 01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:19.600 wives up there you. Go, well thank, You thank you 2001 01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:23.000 both for coming on the show. TONIGHT i appreciate coming. 2002 01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:25.760 On Curis david all, right thank, You jeremiah. 2003 01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:32.920 Start. 2004 01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:38.399 Hi my name Is Phyllis. Barnett i'm sixty one years. 2005 01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:45.880 OLD i was about it's been about seventeen. YEARS i 2006 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:52.079 THINK i was going Through. OREGON i was visiting family 2007 01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:54.159 AND i was heading home and it was a little 2008 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:58.439 after eight am in the, morning AND i stopped to 2009 01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:02.760 look at the view coming out To, orville AND i 2010 01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:05.800 think it Was, ORVILLE i, KNOW i was not too 2011 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:12.960 far From. Trinidad AND i saw two bigfoots coming out 2012 01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.199 of the. Water one was down in the water and 2013 01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:18.399 turned and looked at, me and the other one stood 2014 01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:21.560 up and turned and looked at me and started walking towards. 2015 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:25.119 ME i was about ten feet from me or, so 2016 01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:28.239 AND i got a real good look at it And 2017 01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.840 it scared the out of, me AND i didn't know 2018 01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:38.720 WHAT i was looking. AT i remembered seeing photos of 2019 01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:43.560 bigfoot and, stuff and it looked like a bigfoot and no, 2020 01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:47.680 doubt AND i had nightmares for weeks after. That he 2021 01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:49.840 must have been about eight nine feet. 2022 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:50.720 Tall he was. 2023 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.840 Humongous LIKE i, SAID i wasn't too far away from. 2024 01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:58.920 HIM i now live In washington And Pierce, county and 2025 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:04.159 my son was out hiking and took some video and 2026 01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:08.920 we're pretty sure he found a bigfoot nest over By Mount. 2027 01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:13.800 Raynier we live about thirty miles twenty thirty miles From 2028 01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:18.039 Mount rainier now And i'm hoping to see one. Again 2029 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.279 but it did scare me to, death AND i ran 2030 01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:23.800 to my car and. LEFT i had a, camera BUT 2031 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:27.000 i was so SCARED i just. Left thank you for. Listening. 2032 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:32.399 Bye if you'd like to share a voicemail to be 2033 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:35.880 potentially featured on the show as, well head over To 2034 01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:39.319 bigfoot societypodcast dot com and hit The share Your encounter. 2035 01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:42.279 Button just wanted to take a minute to say thank 2036 01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:44.600 you for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot Society. 2037 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:48.239 Podcast curtis And david's story isn't just compelling because they're. 2038 01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:51.840 Physicians it's compelling because of what they saw and what 2039 01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:55.520 they still can't. Explain from that eerie shelter hidden deep 2040 01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.920 in the forest to the pine cones thrown in, silence 2041 01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.439 it's the kind of story that sticks with. 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