Speaker 1: You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: Tonight's account is from two physicians that are also amateur
Speaker 1: Bigfoot researchers. You'll hear about how they went deep into
Speaker 1: the California wilderness, what they've found there, and also what
Speaker 1: happened when they went up to eastern Washington. What happened
Speaker 1: there wasn't just weird, as you'll soon hear. This is
Speaker 1: a story of Curtis and David, the doctors who came
Speaker 1: back believers. So stay with us, all right, big the Society.
Speaker 1: You've got the privilege of talking to Curtis and David today.
Speaker 1: They are both physicians and also both friends, and they've
Speaker 1: come on the show to share some interesting Bigfoot related
Speaker 1: experiences they've had in the last few years. So, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. How's it going today, and great,
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Jeremiah, nice to meet you, get
Speaker 1: to talk to you, Jeremiah, absolutely, And just so that
Speaker 1: our listeners can associate the different voices, Curtis, how.
Speaker 2: Are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, perfect, And David yourself doing good, awesome,
Speaker 1: very good, very good. Well, guys, we were just talking
Speaker 1: a little bit beforehand, and it sounds like you have
Speaker 1: actually kind of prepared a way to present this, so
Speaker 1: you know, what I feel might be good is I'm
Speaker 1: going to hand it over to you guys. You can
Speaker 1: present your experiences and then maybe we'll chat a bit
Speaker 1: about it and I might have some questions for you afterwards.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 4: Thanks. So I'm Curtis again for those out there, and
Speaker 4: just a quick little introduction. And David and I have
Speaker 4: been friends since I was trying to think the other day.
Speaker 4: I think he was eight and I was ten or now,
Speaker 4: both in our early sixties, so we've been friends for
Speaker 4: over fifty years. Probably during the summers between when I
Speaker 4: was ten at eighteen, we probably spent every day together
Speaker 4: at each other's houses. We went on vacations with each
Speaker 4: other's families. I think David considers considered my mom his
Speaker 4: second mom, and I considered his mom my second mom.
Speaker 4: So we're kind of brothers slash friends and have been
Speaker 4: so for so long. Once we became doctors and had
Speaker 4: young families, we kind of drifted apart, partly because our
Speaker 4: work schedule, family schedule, and I lived in a different state.
Speaker 4: But we, you know, get back together every few years.
Speaker 4: And we were the kind of friends that, you know,
Speaker 4: we might not have seen each other for a couple
Speaker 4: of years, but when we got back together, it was
Speaker 4: like no time had we been apart. In the last
Speaker 4: few years, our careers have kind of stabilized, we were
Speaker 4: both established, our kids have grown up, and we started
Speaker 4: maybe ten years ago, getting back together every year or
Speaker 4: so to go on a guy's trip. And so our
Speaker 4: friendship has rekindled and gotten even better over the last
Speaker 4: ten years or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. I mean we've been best friends since
Speaker 3: we were you know, so young and stuff and always
Speaker 3: considered i mean new roommates from college, actually went to
Speaker 3: the same medical school together and were you know, always
Speaker 3: considered him, you know, my best friend through life. So
Speaker 3: it's been it's been great. And so when Curtis, you know,
Speaker 3: I called him up one time and said, hey, let's
Speaker 3: get together and let's go do something.
Speaker 4: And so I knew David had an interest in bigfoot.
Speaker 4: He growing up, he was very interested in a Native
Speaker 4: American lore, probably read a book a week on Native
Speaker 4: American history, and I knew he had an interest in bigfoot.
Speaker 4: I probably did not have much of an interest in bigfoot,
Speaker 4: and then of course, finding Biggerfoot came out, and that
Speaker 4: made me even much more of a skeptic. But about
Speaker 4: three and a half years ago, my wife and I
Speaker 4: had the opportunity to go to Napaul and we were
Speaker 4: hiking towards Evers base camp and our guide was a
Speaker 4: Buddhist monk and he asked us if we wanted to
Speaker 4: go see a Buddhist ceremony and just to you know,
Speaker 4: show interest in the local culture. We said yes, and
Speaker 4: we went to this ceremony and it was you know,
Speaker 4: obviously we didn't understand a single word, but it was
Speaker 4: still very amazing. And afterwards we were drinking tea and
Speaker 4: he asked us if we wanted to see something special,
Speaker 4: and he took us over to the back of the
Speaker 4: temple and there was a box that kind of looked
Speaker 4: like a about the size of a fire extinguisher box
Speaker 4: that you might inset in the wall or something, and
Speaker 4: it was about that big, kind of just hanging on
Speaker 4: a big pole, and it was locked up, and he
Speaker 4: unlocked the case and open it up and there was
Speaker 4: a skull and a hand of a yeti, and he
Speaker 4: gave us a little bit of the background, and you know,
Speaker 4: by his story, the Yeti had helped the original Buddhist
Speaker 4: monk there like three or four hundred years ago to
Speaker 4: build that temple, and then when the Yeddi died, they
Speaker 4: took his bones and kept it inside the temple. And
Speaker 4: the skull was probably maybe fifty percent bigger than a
Speaker 4: human skull. It still had a scalp on, it still
Speaker 4: had some short brown hair about an inch long. And
Speaker 4: then the hand is what really caught my attention. I'm
Speaker 4: an orthopedic surgeon, so I know hand anatomy pretty well,
Speaker 4: and the hand looked just like a human hand. It
Speaker 4: did not look like an ape's hand, but it was
Speaker 4: about twice as big as the typical human hand. I
Speaker 4: couldn't touch this, it was behind glass, but I was
Speaker 4: looking at it from six inches away, and so my
Speaker 4: interest suddenly peaked. And when day Would called in January
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two and said, what are we going
Speaker 4: to do for our guys trip this year, I said,
Speaker 4: why don't we go see if we can find Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of how we got started.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my interest in Bigfoot, you know, been you know
Speaker 3: a little more purises. But like I said, I was
Speaker 3: Native American history was what I was interested. I was
Speaker 3: the Indian when you played cowboys and Indians read a
Speaker 3: lot of history with that. I knew that Native Americans
Speaker 3: had different names for for Bigfoot, you know, like Sasquatch,
Speaker 3: Harry Mann, you know, wild wild Man or you know,
Speaker 3: great brother. They. I had seen pictures of their kith
Speaker 3: marketings and things they've done. I saw the Patterson Gimblin film,
Speaker 3: you know, saw the shows like you know most everyone else,
Speaker 3: you know, finding big Foot now big Foot, that condition
Speaker 3: and things like that. I had heard of Teddy Rose
Speaker 3: Roosevelt's story that you had written in his book before
Speaker 3: he was president of the you know, the trappers. One
Speaker 3: of them got killed in the camp, you know, by
Speaker 3: a big foot and it felt footprints and things like
Speaker 3: that back in eighteen hundreds. So it's always been out
Speaker 3: there for me. And so Curtis came over for my
Speaker 3: fiftieth birthday. You found a bunch of bigfoot stuff on
Speaker 3: my DVR and really didn't. That's when we first realized
Speaker 3: we both had a little interest, you know, with so
Speaker 3: we said, well, let's go, let's we'll find Bigfoot down
Speaker 3: in twenty two. I said, well, I'll start doing some
Speaker 3: research on it, and I went to the BFRO and
Speaker 3: found it was looking over California. After we start local,
Speaker 3: I mean, we're definitely rookies. But most of this was
Speaker 3: just a you know, hey, we're going to get together.
Speaker 3: You have my best friend and I'm going to go
Speaker 3: backpacking and camping and spend some time together. But in
Speaker 3: the mean time, Neil, we'll say, what hey, we're going
Speaker 3: to go look for bigwood. So bfros Side looked up
Speaker 3: in the Siskiu, you know Siski area, which is up
Speaker 3: in the north west California, same area where Bluff Creek
Speaker 3: was Willow Creek and all that, and with the history
Speaker 3: of all that, and with it showing the most A
Speaker 3: type sidings in California, they said, hey, let's book there.
Speaker 3: And I started looking on you know, mapp being and
Speaker 3: trails and you know camp you know, interesting areas, and
Speaker 3: I always wanted to find places with you know, with
Speaker 3: water and out as far away from everybody as we could.
Speaker 3: So I found this on the Smith River. It's called
Speaker 3: a Kelsey Trail, and I said, hey, that's where we're
Speaker 3: going to go. So that's how we decided on the
Speaker 3: first spot. And so we go driving out there, and
Speaker 3: it's probably twenty five miles east of Crescent City, and
Speaker 3: then you go six miles out on a dirt road
Speaker 3: and end up at the trail head, and then you
Speaker 3: back back in about six miles where we ended up
Speaker 3: at our base camp at that time.
Speaker 4: And around the base camp we spent the first three
Speaker 4: or four days hiking all around. We went up and down.
Speaker 4: We had camp right by this creek. We went up
Speaker 4: and down the creek, we went clear to the Smith River,
Speaker 4: went off trail, and yeah, all sorts of places, and
Speaker 4: didn't really find a whole lot. And then David had
Speaker 4: been looking about our third or fourth day at his maps,
Speaker 4: and he realized that that even though there was only
Speaker 4: one way in and one way out on this South
Speaker 4: Kelsey trail, that a branch of it had crossed the
Speaker 4: creek and we hadn't been up that way, and so
Speaker 4: he suggested, you know, since we hadn't really found much
Speaker 4: in the first three or four days, and we weren't
Speaker 4: unhappy by any means. I mean, like David said, this
Speaker 4: was called a bigfoot finding trip, but really we fully
Speaker 4: expected just to go backpacking and you know, camping our
Speaker 4: best buddy. But Anyway, he found a branch of the
Speaker 4: trail had crossed the creek, and so we decided to
Speaker 4: do that about like I said, our fourth or fifth day,
Speaker 4: and that's when we started finding some interesting things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the trail was heading more into the wilderness area
Speaker 3: from where our base camp is. When we first got there,
Speaker 3: like you said, there's only one trail in, so we
Speaker 3: set up game cameras you know, at the on the trail.
Speaker 3: At the we knew who was coming in or what
Speaker 3: was coming in there. So we the whole time we
Speaker 3: were there, we only met one guy came in on
Speaker 3: one day. We talked to him. He was coming in able.
Speaker 3: We met him when he was coming in for one
Speaker 3: night and we talked to him and he went out,
Speaker 3: so we knew when he was there and we knew
Speaker 3: when he left. But we went up so we was
Speaker 3: crossed this creek. We're hiking probably two more miles into
Speaker 3: the wilderness direction, and we're trying to be really observant
Speaker 3: to require were you know, thing smelling, you know, walking
Speaker 3: and looking for things, and we start finding things on
Speaker 3: that other side. When the first ding it hers found
Speaker 3: there's like twelve foot high big branch that was broken
Speaker 3: and bent down towards the trail of ninety degrees. Then
Speaker 3: they got a picture of that and he's trying to
Speaker 3: reach up and it's you know, it's really high. And
Speaker 3: now that's strange, Well, how did that happen when there's
Speaker 3: nothing on the ground that fell on it or broken.
Speaker 3: The branches above it are intact and the branches below
Speaker 3: it are intact. And was feeling like, well, what broke that,
Speaker 3: you know, we don't know, could have been anything, but
Speaker 3: we couldn't give an answer to that what we were
Speaker 3: finding in the area. So we keep going on and
Speaker 3: we found a rather the strangest thing I found was
Speaker 3: that this tall, big tree. It was probably about you know,
Speaker 3: on the five inches diameter, Kurt, would you say, And
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: Five or six inches diameter, yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's probably like thirty or forty feet long, and
Speaker 3: his point uphill. But the bottom of that was like
Speaker 3: about five feet in the air wrapped it was wrapped
Speaker 3: with these other trees, and it was they were twisted
Speaker 3: around it and holding it up in the air about
Speaker 3: five feet off the ground. And we look around and
Speaker 3: we're looking for spunks and where the hector this thing
Speaker 3: come from? And how's it being suspended in the air
Speaker 3: about five feet and how would that happen naturally? You know,
Speaker 3: but it was definitely this. We had a picture of
Speaker 3: the branches being wrapped around it and holding it up
Speaker 3: in the air. We didn't figure out where it came from.
Speaker 3: We didn't figure out the spunk we knew was pointed
Speaker 3: up there. There was a game trail going right by it,
Speaker 3: so that was really strange when we first found that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the wrapping did not look like a vine
Speaker 4: had grown around the tree. It looked, you know, you
Speaker 4: could tell that the vine or branches were twisted to
Speaker 4: hold the tree up. And you know, a thirty foot
Speaker 4: tree that's five or six inches in diameter, I mean
Speaker 4: probably is two hundred pounds or more. I mean, could
Speaker 4: a human have done that, sure, But it was just
Speaker 4: sort of our first besides any tree breaks, our first
Speaker 4: you know, unusual finding. And we kind of went deeper
Speaker 4: into the into the forest and this was all off
Speaker 4: the trail. So we took that trail, like David said,
Speaker 4: about two miles from our base camp. But then we
Speaker 4: went off onto a game trail and started finding these things.
Speaker 4: I think the next thing we found we found two
Speaker 4: trees probably I don't know, fifty yards apart that had
Speaker 4: branches laid up against them. And these branches were not
Speaker 4: from the tree itself. You could tell one of them
Speaker 4: was like from a man's anita bush or something. It
Speaker 4: was completely red and the tree was, you know, nothing
Speaker 4: like that. And they were just leaning up against a tree,
Speaker 4: kind of like a lean to and they weren't really
Speaker 4: big enough to have anything sleep under it. But it
Speaker 4: was just kind of a weird finding and and sort
Speaker 4: of even before before going on this trip, and since
Speaker 4: we've seen other people who've shown videos of that, and
Speaker 4: I think it's even been in expedition Bigfoot. So we
Speaker 4: found a couple of trees with leaning branches. And then
Speaker 4: our next finding, there's probably about one hundred yards away
Speaker 4: from that, and again we're off trail in the middle
Speaker 4: of the wilderness. We came upon this dwelling, this primitive
Speaker 4: shelter that looked just like an igloo. It was probably
Speaker 4: five feet tall four feet tall, about six to eight
Speaker 4: feet wide, maybe eight feet long, kind of about the
Speaker 4: size of a three person backpacking tent, and it had
Speaker 4: an opening at one end and none of the branches
Speaker 4: had been cut by a saw or an axe, and
Speaker 4: they were all woven together. So this you took definitely
Speaker 4: took hands to make. Yeah, they weren't just leaning against
Speaker 4: something like a lean to. They were woven to give
Speaker 4: strength and stability. So we started thinking, you know, our
Speaker 4: first thought was as doctors, we always like to rule
Speaker 4: things in and rule things out. Our first thought was,
Speaker 4: you know, someone's been staying here, some person. But then
Speaker 4: we started looking for signs of humans being there. We
Speaker 4: looked inside and there was no bedroll or anything. Whatever
Speaker 4: had slept there had slept right on the twigs and
Speaker 4: branches and pine needles right on the ground. You could
Speaker 4: see a depression in there. And then we started looking
Speaker 4: for a fire pit, because most humans when they're camping,
Speaker 4: we're going to have a fire pit, if not for heat,
Speaker 4: at least for you know, comfort, something to watch it, companionship, whatever.
Speaker 4: And there was no fire pit. And then yeah, I
Speaker 4: think David came up with the idea, hey, there's got
Speaker 4: to be tracks around here, somewhere, and we started looking
Speaker 4: because even the cleanest humans are going to leave some
Speaker 4: evidence that they were there. And there were no wrappers
Speaker 4: or twin or plastic or pop tops or anything. There
Speaker 4: was no trash whatsoever. And then we kind of expanded
Speaker 4: our search and we probably got forty or fifty feet
Speaker 4: away and we saw sort of circumferentsial around the whole dwelling,
Speaker 4: six or eight piles of scat. And these piles of
Speaker 4: scat looked, you know, that it was shaped like a
Speaker 4: like human scat would be, but it was probably twice
Speaker 4: the diameter and probably two to three times the volume
Speaker 4: that a human would make. And these were placed all
Speaker 4: around the camp, maybe every thirty or forty feet, And
Speaker 4: at first we thought it was just sort of random.
Speaker 4: But someone has you know, since the adjusted to us
Speaker 4: that maybe whatever lived there was using it as a
Speaker 4: as a boundary marker. And I don't know, have you
Speaker 4: do you know who Beans Baxter is in Alaska? I
Speaker 4: don't know if you know him. Yeah, absolutely, he happened
Speaker 4: to hear about our story and he sent me a
Speaker 4: video of some scat he found in Alaska and it
Speaker 4: looked exactly like that, and he thinks that that scat
Speaker 4: is from an Alaska Bigfoot. The other interesting thing about
Speaker 4: the scat is that there was no toilet paper and
Speaker 4: no moths, no leaves, nothing was used to to clean
Speaker 4: whatever did the scat. So here we find this dwelling,
Speaker 4: this iglo like permanent primitive shelter with scat all around it,
Speaker 4: with no other signs of humans have ever been there.
Speaker 4: So you know, that was just a crazy finding that
Speaker 4: we found.
Speaker 3: But our way out, so yeah, we we spend quite
Speaker 3: a bit of time there with that one. So on
Speaker 3: the way out, another thing we found on was the wallet.
Speaker 3: And I've seen, you know a lot of these things.
Speaker 3: You don't like, you say, we're rookies at it, but
Speaker 3: we see these things and we've never heard of those
Speaker 3: things being happened in another Bigfoot you know, information or
Speaker 3: videos or whatever. But then we start, once we start
Speaker 3: seeing these things, then we start seeing others. Hey, we
Speaker 3: saw that, that's what you know, That's what it was.
Speaker 3: When we sucked. You know, there was this horizontal suspended
Speaker 3: tree that you know, it was a horizontal tree that
Speaker 3: was weaved between in a tree and it was perfectly
Speaker 3: horizontal and it was like probably what'll you say, for
Speaker 3: twenty feet long, Yeah, just perfectly weave between the branch.
Speaker 3: I go, how does something naturally get that perfectly lead
Speaker 3: between these three and just fall on, you know, in
Speaker 3: there like that, and we can figure it out. You
Speaker 3: got a picture this thing out there.
Speaker 4: So that was a second tree that was off the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all on the same side of the creek.
Speaker 3: So and I saw another one that I saw another
Speaker 3: video since then I saw it that it was a
Speaker 3: bigger tree that was horizontal like that, and I go,
Speaker 3: that almost looks exactly like our tree, just bigger, you know.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting. But as we're walking, we were
Speaker 3: walking out, you know, from there, we noticed you I've
Speaker 3: always been here some tracking and things like that. And
Speaker 3: I read a lot of Tom Brown Junior's books and
Speaker 3: learning tracking and part of the observation of nature was
Speaker 3: looking through things and looking at the open spaces between things,
Speaker 3: and so I try to do that. And I noticed
Speaker 3: this area of wetness about thirty yards off the trail
Speaker 3: as we were heading out, when I told herds, I'm
Speaker 3: always looking for track traps and things like that, and
Speaker 3: I go, hey, there's some wet over there. Let's go
Speaker 3: over there and see what we can see and expecting
Speaker 3: like the tracks of something, you know, a lither deier
Speaker 3: or whatever's in the area doing it. So we go.
Speaker 3: But it's about thirty years there's there's bushes in between us,
Speaker 3: and we have to work our way through it. We
Speaker 3: get over there and there's probably a there's a It
Speaker 3: wasn't like a river or a creek or anything going.
Speaker 3: There's just as wetness of area, probably about forty by
Speaker 3: fifteen feet or something like a pool size area of marsh.
Speaker 3: They have water and we give about you know, probably
Speaker 3: only three or four inches deep in there. And you
Speaker 3: get over there and we you don't have to walk
Speaker 3: through it. I mean you go ten feet to the
Speaker 3: left and we actually walked around it to get the
Speaker 3: other side, or you go ten feet to the other
Speaker 3: side and walk on dry land. We get over there
Speaker 3: and we walk around. We look in there and here
Speaker 3: we find three footprint. There are steps of tracks of
Speaker 3: something walking. There's three of them. There's first one in
Speaker 3: the right at the edge, or the second one like
Speaker 3: about you know, a foot or two later, and then
Speaker 3: the third one it is like it's really literally four
Speaker 3: feet further in steps into right in the middle of
Speaker 3: the marshy area. And then there was not another one leaving.
Speaker 3: It was about four feet out. So whatever had walked
Speaker 3: on there had made you know, two initial steps and
Speaker 3: then a big step and then another step out and
Speaker 3: we were pretty amazed at that. We're going, hey, these
Speaker 3: are actual footprints. We took pictures compared to ours, and
Speaker 3: we were again rookies and didn't gray a measuring tape,
Speaker 3: but we compared our foot size to that, and it
Speaker 3: was about twice a week to you know, Curtis's foot
Speaker 3: and we were both wearing size thirteens, and so there's
Speaker 3: our shoes are about thirteen inches and it's about three
Speaker 3: inches longer. So it was pretty close to about sixteen
Speaker 3: inches you know, long and about six you know, six
Speaker 3: inches wide, so as what we thought. And but the
Speaker 3: interesting thing is it's not we're trying to say, okay,
Speaker 3: did someone come walking through there? And I'm like, why
Speaker 3: would a human being walk through here when you can
Speaker 3: go ten feet to the right, Why would you get
Speaker 3: your boots all due like that? And we're trying to say, well,
Speaker 3: how can you make a step that's four feet and
Speaker 3: you know, the four foot step straight? And I go,
Speaker 3: there's no, there's no slippage. There's no someone's not running,
Speaker 3: because if you run and land step in mud, you're
Speaker 3: gonna there's gonna be some slippage. Of stuff. It was
Speaker 3: just like normal, just steps in there. And the crazy
Speaker 3: thing was about that is we went back because now
Speaker 3: we're really interested and we're you know, say, hey, we
Speaker 3: found something in here, you know. And we went back
Speaker 3: the next day to go look at it again, and
Speaker 3: that third one in the middle of the marsh was
Speaker 3: had disappear then it was gone to the picture. Well,
Speaker 3: that's the interesting So what that tells me was that
Speaker 3: whatever had walked there had there within twenty four hours
Speaker 3: of the time that we've been there. Otherwise that step
Speaker 3: would have been gone so fairly recently done. So that
Speaker 3: was pretty exciting for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so something something with sixteen inch feet and you know,
Speaker 4: David and I, like you said, our shoes are thirteen inches,
Speaker 4: took three steps to get across a fifteen foot marsh.
Speaker 4: And like David said, the one that was in the
Speaker 4: water was gone the next day. So we went back
Speaker 4: there the next day to look at that. We found that,
Speaker 4: and we kind of just set and listened for a
Speaker 4: long time just to see what we could hear, and
Speaker 4: we really didn't hear much, but something caught my eye
Speaker 4: just across from the marsh on the other side of
Speaker 4: the trail, probably oh four feet off the trail. Hit
Speaker 4: four feet or five feet off the trail, and it
Speaker 4: was right under the canopy of a big redwood tree,
Speaker 4: and it was it looked like a broken tree, and
Speaker 4: so I started thinking, well, you know, while we're just listening,
Speaker 4: I wondered, is this a tree break that could be
Speaker 4: a sign as to wear it across the trail. You know,
Speaker 4: my mind's kind of thinking all sorts of things. But
Speaker 4: then I was looking at it closer from afar, and
Speaker 4: it didn't widen out at the base like a tree wood.
Speaker 4: So I then remembered some videos where people have shown
Speaker 4: things with sticks or logs or even trees being upturned
Speaker 4: and jammed into the ground. So once we were done listening,
Speaker 4: I decided to walk over to this thing and see
Speaker 4: if it was a tree. And the other thing that
Speaker 4: caught my attention when we'd been just sitting there listening
Speaker 4: was it was under the canopy of a redwood tree,
Speaker 4: and not much grows under the canopy of a redwood
Speaker 4: tree because there's no light, the pine needles, all that stuff.
Speaker 4: And so I walked over to this thing and looked
Speaker 4: at it, and it did look like a big stick
Speaker 4: that had been jammed into the ground. It was probably
Speaker 4: four or five inches in diame ameter and sticking up
Speaker 4: about three or three and a half foot, and the
Speaker 4: part that was sticking out was clearly broken. And so
Speaker 4: I started looking up into the redwood tree, and clearly
Speaker 4: it did not come from the redwood tree, because it
Speaker 4: was not the same type of tree. And then we
Speaker 4: looked at other trees to see if there was a
Speaker 4: branch that had broken or a tree stump that, you know,
Speaker 4: this could be a source of and there was nothing
Speaker 4: around it. So it really looked like something that had
Speaker 4: been jammed into the ground. And so I started wiggling,
Speaker 4: and sure enough I was able to pull it out
Speaker 4: and both ends were sharp, and so something had caused
Speaker 4: this big limb or branch or even tree to break
Speaker 4: in two different places and then jammed one of it
Speaker 4: clear into the ground. And you know, if a human
Speaker 4: had done that, they would have had to have done
Speaker 4: it when it was muddy, or the other way we
Speaker 4: could have done it is to pound on one end
Speaker 4: with a mallet or something. And the end that was
Speaker 4: sticking out of the ground was sharp. Nothing had pounded
Speaker 4: on it. So here right across from where David had
Speaker 4: found these three steps, and then the fourth step would
Speaker 4: have been onto the trail was this log, if you would,
Speaker 4: that had been jammed into the ground. And so that
Speaker 4: was kind of another little crazy finding. That was sort
Speaker 4: of our last day, last full day there. We went
Speaker 4: back to camp. The night was pretty quiet. The next
Speaker 4: morning we had to get up and start heading home,
Speaker 4: so we both woke up about six am because we
Speaker 4: had about a three and a half hour hike out
Speaker 4: and then had a ten or twelve hour drive to
Speaker 4: get back home. And we woke up at six and
Speaker 4: I kind of went to our little area we had
Speaker 4: set up to cook food in under the canopy of
Speaker 4: a different redwood tree, and I wanted to start some coffee,
Speaker 4: so I poured some water into a pot, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, a pine cone lands by one of
Speaker 4: my feet. Well, I didn't think much of it because
Speaker 4: I'm under a redwood tree. So I filled the water
Speaker 4: and put it on the little camp stove and lit
Speaker 4: the fire. And as soon as I lit the fire,
Speaker 4: another pine cone landed by my other foot, and David
Speaker 4: is standing probably ten feet away from me, still under
Speaker 4: the tree, and we both kind of look up thinking
Speaker 4: well that's you know, coincidence. Two pine cones fall and
Speaker 4: almost hit me after, you know, within five ten seconds
Speaker 4: of each other. Well, we still didn't see anything, you know,
Speaker 4: none of the branches were moving, We couldn't see a squirrel,
Speaker 4: there was no wind, and so I went over and
Speaker 4: set in my little camp chair, which was probably ten
Speaker 4: feet away from that, just let the water boil. And
Speaker 4: as soon as I sat down, two more pine cones
Speaker 4: landed by my feet. So, you know, I look up
Speaker 4: and David is standing in the same place he had been,
Speaker 4: and he looks up and can't really see much, so
Speaker 4: he backs out from under the tree just to get
Speaker 4: a better look.
Speaker 3: Well, and then first the first two I didn't think
Speaker 3: anything of it, but then when the other two almost
Speaker 3: hit him sitting in his chair, I was like, what
Speaker 3: the heck's going on? So I backed out about twenty
Speaker 3: to get out from underneath the canopy. You know, it's
Speaker 3: trying to look up in the tree and I was
Speaker 3: out in open air. There was nothing above me, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking up and all of a sudden, the pine
Speaker 3: cone lands by my foot, and then another pine cone
Speaker 3: lands by my foot, and then another one, and we
Speaker 3: had the crazy thing about these where that it was
Speaker 3: like this was all within like a minute of time.
Speaker 3: It was not like spread out over time with it.
Speaker 3: As soon as I started hitting by my foot, both
Speaker 3: of us stood up at the same you know, I
Speaker 3: was already standing, but we both turned and looked up
Speaker 3: a ridge. Our camp was surrounded on two sides by water,
Speaker 3: and we there was a trail that came in from
Speaker 3: the side that we would walk in and we could
Speaker 3: see down there. But both of us stood up and
Speaker 3: at the same time turned and looked up this ridge
Speaker 3: that was behind our camp, almost like we were feeling
Speaker 3: that that's where it was coming from. We couldn't see
Speaker 3: anything by coming down there. As soon as we turned
Speaker 3: and looked, we had stopped. We didn't get any more
Speaker 3: pine cones over there. We started looking at those things,
Speaker 3: and about three of them were green pine cones, and
Speaker 3: I was like, how the heck does green pine cones
Speaker 3: fall out of a tree? I mean, I think someone
Speaker 3: had to pull those off, you know, in order for
Speaker 3: that to happen, because there was dead silent, there was
Speaker 3: no wind or anything. And looking around for squirrels, I
Speaker 3: had seen a squirrel about fifty feet down the trail
Speaker 3: in the tree, but nothing up in the tree that
Speaker 3: was above Curtis from where he was, and so at
Speaker 3: that point we were like, Okay, someone is throwing pine
Speaker 3: cones at us, and we're trying to figure this out.
Speaker 3: What's going on. We're six miles at six thirty in
Speaker 3: the morning, and for someone to walk in six miles,
Speaker 3: they'd have to get up, but you know, started two,
Speaker 3: you know, at two in the morning to get there
Speaker 3: to throw pine cones and then leave. But we had
Speaker 3: game cameras around the interest to our camp and there's
Speaker 3: no nothing was on it. So we started were that
Speaker 3: was kind of a strange, you know, really strange event
Speaker 3: for us and stuff, and we're thinking, who's who's throwing that?
Speaker 3: But we pack up. We were leaving that day any length,
Speaker 3: and we pack up and we started hacking out. We
Speaker 3: don't see anyone until we get about four miles back
Speaker 3: towards our truck and we ran into someone. But at
Speaker 3: that point, but they were not camping. They were hiking
Speaker 3: in at that point and they were scouty to try
Speaker 3: to look for a place for the next following weekend
Speaker 3: that they were coming up. But uh, there was no
Speaker 3: one else around there and so we we really had
Speaker 3: no answer as something had to be pulling pine green
Speaker 3: pine cones off the trees and throwing it at us.
Speaker 4: And so this was our California experience in two. We
Speaker 4: never saw Bigfoot, we never heard Bigfoot, but we had
Speaker 4: a lot of strange experiences that you know, as physicians,
Speaker 4: like I said, we like David and I every day
Speaker 4: what we do is we listen to people, we look
Speaker 4: at data, we form a conclusion and form a treatment
Speaker 4: plan based on that. We don't have any explanation for
Speaker 4: most of these things, you know, being from a human source.
Speaker 4: So although we didn't see Bigfoot or or hear any vocalizations,
Speaker 4: and again we made a rookie mistake we didn't take
Speaker 4: any recorders this time, so when we were sleep we
Speaker 4: really don't know what happened. But we were in the
Speaker 4: middle of nowhere. When we were in the wilderness, we
Speaker 4: were eight miles from the trail head, and like David said,
Speaker 4: we had had trail cams up on the trails. No
Speaker 4: one else except that one guy had come in during
Speaker 4: the whole week and he left the next day. And
Speaker 4: then those two people we met hiking out had never
Speaker 4: even gotten back to where we were so as to
Speaker 4: our the best of our knowledge, there were no other
Speaker 4: people in the forest for most of that week.
Speaker 1: This is some really interesting stuff. I think it might
Speaker 1: be good to take a few minutes to chat about
Speaker 1: this one, just so that people are able to remember
Speaker 1: it before we head on to the next one. There's
Speaker 1: some questions that I have. So the area where it
Speaker 1: looked like something was laying down, did you get an idea.
Speaker 2: For how long that area might have been on the ground.
Speaker 4: So David, you know, looked at the scat and he
Speaker 4: studied tracking. He estimated that the scat was probably one
Speaker 4: to two weeks old based on how it looked. It
Speaker 4: was drying out, it wasn't where It also wasn't crumbly,
Speaker 4: so you know, there was definitely an impression on the
Speaker 4: ground that something had been there. You know, I guess
Speaker 4: by having six or eight piles of scat around, they
Speaker 4: had been there for more than one night. Whatever was
Speaker 4: was living there. So you know, David's estimation on how
Speaker 4: old the scat was was probably one to two weeks.
Speaker 4: So we think that something had been staying there, you know,
Speaker 4: as no longer than a week or two before, and
Speaker 4: definitely there was an indentation there, so I couldn't tell
Speaker 4: you how long something had slept there, but with six
Speaker 4: or eight piles of scat, if it's coming, it looked
Speaker 4: like one thing, one animal was inside that igloo. I
Speaker 4: guess there could have been two, but it looked like
Speaker 4: one indentation in the ground. So however long it takes
Speaker 4: something to uh make six or eight piles of scat,
Speaker 4: I guess, gotcha.
Speaker 1: And maybe to ask a different way as well, would
Speaker 1: you say that by the size of that indentation, it
Speaker 1: looked like there could have been something that was maybe
Speaker 1: you know, if it was laying down, maybe like six
Speaker 1: feet tall or eight feet tall or anything like that.
Speaker 1: From when you looked at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say at least six feet tall and
Speaker 4: probably longer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I would say the length of the thing was eight
Speaker 4: to ten feet with an opening at the one end,
Speaker 4: and the thing took up most of the you know,
Speaker 4: front to back area, So I would say somewhere between
Speaker 4: six and eight feet. Is that what you would say, Davin,
Speaker 4: give or take?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking that, you know, in that range, And
Speaker 3: definitely it was you know weed, non cut branches. We
Speaker 3: make the thing.
Speaker 4: The other thing. You know, Well, Tuck when we get
Speaker 4: to Washington can talk about what makes a sixteen inch footprint.
Speaker 4: But a sixteen inch footprint in a human would essentially
Speaker 4: be about seven feet tall in a human, So that
Speaker 4: sort of gives you an idea. David's six' flour and
Speaker 4: his foot's eleven and a half into is. Law so
Speaker 4: if something had a sixteen inch, footprint it was probably at,
Speaker 4: least you, know if you use human, measurements at least
Speaker 4: seven feet.
Speaker 1: Tall, Okay, david do you, remember you, know let's, say
Speaker 1: talking about the, scat were you able to see anything in,
Speaker 1: it like evidence.
Speaker 2: Of what it may have, eaten whatever it.
Speaker 3: Was that left it. THERE i didn't, see Like i'm
Speaker 3: looking for berries and things like. THAT i didn't see
Speaker 3: any of, that and everything seemed pretty didn't By. Jeff
Speaker 3: so they didn't see, hair you, know in, there and
Speaker 3: it was kind of the bigger THINGS i was looking,
Speaker 3: for you. Know with, that.
Speaker 4: And interesting, ENOUGH i had spoken about Beans baxter the
Speaker 4: video he sent. Me they couldn't really tell what that
Speaker 4: animal had eaten, Either so, yeah we didn't couldn't find
Speaker 4: specifically what it had. Eaten BUT i tell you it
Speaker 4: was huge it. Was it was if you put all
Speaker 4: of your fingers together and looked at the, tips that
Speaker 4: was probably half the diameter of how big this scat.
Speaker 4: Was it was probably probably two or three inches in,
Speaker 4: diameter and LIKE i, said probably two to three times
Speaker 4: as long as what a human would typically.
Speaker 2: Make AND i don't think that we had talked about.
Speaker 1: This was it laid out in a certain like was
Speaker 1: it in a straight line or in a pile or
Speaker 1: anything like.
Speaker 4: That each one was kind of in a, pile almost
Speaker 4: like a you, know not to get, gross but like
Speaker 4: a soft served ice, cream you, know kind of coiled
Speaker 4: a little bit and then then some more. Straight but
Speaker 4: but it was kind of in a. Pile and, yeah
Speaker 4: and it. Was it was. Weird the person that talked
Speaker 4: to us about being a, mark you, know a boundary.
Speaker 4: Marker that probably makes more more sense just by how
Speaker 4: uniform they were around the. Structure, yeah you, know at
Speaker 4: FIRST i thought it was just random that that you,
Speaker 4: know whatever had woken up in the middle of the
Speaker 4: night and had to, go or in the morning and
Speaker 4: had to go just decided to go right or. Left
Speaker 4: but someone talked about the boundary marker and that that
Speaker 4: makes more sense because they were probably, all, OH i don't,
Speaker 4: know thirty or forty feet, apart so you, know if
Speaker 4: you just took from the center of the igloo and
Speaker 4: drew a, circle they were all sort of right on
Speaker 4: that forty or so boundary of that.
Speaker 2: Circle, mhm that's that's that's extremely.
Speaker 1: Interesting it sounded like there were OR i Guess i'll
Speaker 1: ask it this, way what was this sound.
Speaker 2: Like in the area of that you, know that, uh.
Speaker 1: That, structure and where the regular sounds of the forest
Speaker 1: or what did you guys experience in that?
Speaker 3: WAY i didn't hear much of anything in that. Area
Speaker 3: it didn't seem many different than the other places that
Speaker 3: we were walking, though as far as you, KNOW i
Speaker 3: don't recall, saying, Hey i'm not hearing any birds or you,
Speaker 3: know or anything like. That so it didn't seem that
Speaker 3: that structure area didn't seem anything different than some of
Speaker 3: the other areas that we were.
Speaker 4: Walking to, me that next, day AS i, said we
Speaker 4: kind of went out there and. Listened david actually had
Speaker 4: some sound amplification headphones and we both had them on
Speaker 4: and we were. Listening you could hear for us sounds
Speaker 4: we couldn't really tell the direction because with those sound amplification,
Speaker 4: headphones they just amplify the. Sound it's not like you're
Speaker 4: regular here where you know this is off to.
Speaker 3: Your right or.
Speaker 4: Left but we did hear some things moving in the,
Speaker 4: forest we just couldn't tell how, close or bipedal or a,
Speaker 4: Deer so there was some movement. Around but Like david,
Speaker 4: SAID i DON'T i agree with. Him when we were
Speaker 4: around that, STRUCTURE i don't remember hearing birds or anything.
Speaker 1: Different you, know let's say an individual has a way
Speaker 1: of leaving a trackway or set of. Tracks you, know
Speaker 1: humans leave their tracks a certain, way or bunny rabbit
Speaker 1: leaves tracks a certain. Way was there anything that you
Speaker 1: know just about when you you found these tracks where
Speaker 1: they laid out in a certain.
Speaker 3: Way they were there was in a straight it was
Speaker 3: in a, line but they weren't the First the first,
Speaker 3: Track i'd, say was you, know so where you put
Speaker 3: that first footprint. Down the next one was slightly to
Speaker 3: the to the right of, it and then the next
Speaker 3: one was in. Line you, know IF i was a
Speaker 3: jewer line between the all the, tracks it was definitely
Speaker 3: heading across just directly across this march area in a
Speaker 3: in a straight, line but they were not like you,
Speaker 3: know where one putting a flipprint right in front of
Speaker 3: the other or. Not it was SLIGHTLY i would like
Speaker 3: you can look at the. Figure probably, no you say
Speaker 3: a foot to the, right you, know the right foot
Speaker 3: was foot to the right or the left flip on that,
Speaker 3: one and then the next one was straight in line
Speaker 3: with the left. Flip, yeah and they it looked by.
Speaker 4: Pedal it looked Like david, said left, right. Left it
Speaker 4: did not look like a double step of a four
Speaker 4: legged animal like a. BEAR i, mean bear would probably
Speaker 4: be the only other, alternative but then, again and not
Speaker 4: a lot of bears have a four foot step length.
Speaker 4: Either and it didn't look like if this was going
Speaker 4: to be a, bear it would have had to have
Speaker 4: double stepped perfectly three different. Times it really looked the
Speaker 4: shape of a human. Foot in other, words the heel
Speaker 4: was not quite as wide as the, forefoot and it
Speaker 4: definitely looked to us at least as being.
Speaker 1: Bipedal, gotcha what was the month, again you guys were
Speaker 1: up there In.
Speaker 3: California it was the last week Of.
Speaker 1: August, okay so that takes the Whole it was not
Speaker 1: a bear just coming out of.
Speaker 2: Hibernation that was leaving those scat piles In.
Speaker 3: August, no and we were trying to and you know
Speaker 3: when we decided when the g, OH i was, LIKE
Speaker 3: i want to go before honey season. Starts so that's
Speaker 3: why we normally chose that.
Speaker 1: Time gotcha last question about The california. Trip was there
Speaker 1: at any point where you felt any anything out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary, physically anything affected you in any way when
Speaker 1: you were in that.
Speaker 3: Area, NO i. DIDN'T i never felt anything like, that
Speaker 3: AND i never smelled anything like the bad odors or
Speaker 3: anything like.
Speaker 4: That AND i would say the, SAME i didn't really feel.
Speaker 4: Anything you, know people have asked, us you know when
Speaker 4: the pine cones were, coming did we have a weird
Speaker 4: feeling And David david's description of us both turning and looking.
Speaker 4: UP i think we quickly process to gain the information
Speaker 4: to decide that the only place that could have been
Speaker 4: coming from was the. Ridge it wasn't like we felt
Speaker 4: an uneasy feeling that something was on the ridge behind
Speaker 4: us looking at. Us we just quickly processed we were
Speaker 4: surrounded on a couple sides by a. Creek the trail
Speaker 4: was on the other. Side there was the only place
Speaker 4: those pine cones could have come from if they didn't
Speaker 4: fall out of the tree above, us and you, know
Speaker 4: clearly With david twenty feet, away they couldn't have fallen
Speaker 4: out of a. Tree we just quickly felt that after
Speaker 4: processing that, information that that's where they had to come.
Speaker 4: From and you, know coincidence or. Not as soon as
Speaker 4: we both looked up the, ridge and this was a,
Speaker 4: ridge it was probably forty feet tall right behind our.
Speaker 4: Camp as soon as we looked, up the pine cones.
Speaker 4: Stopped so that was either coincidence or or something didn't
Speaker 4: want us seeing them throw pine cones at.
Speaker 1: Us that's one of those that whole. EXPERIENCE i, Think
Speaker 1: i'm trying to put myself in your guys' shoes and
Speaker 1: it would be just enough THAT i would be, like,
Speaker 1: yeah gotta go out, again which you guys did go
Speaker 1: out again, eventually but like that's just weird, enough you, know,
Speaker 1: yeah pretty, awesome.
Speaker 4: You, know and we get we get kidded by our,
Speaker 4: family you, know we didn't See bigfoot and all this other,
Speaker 4: stuff and they're, right we. Didn't BUT i don't know
Speaker 4: how to explain a lot of what went, on you,
Speaker 4: Know and like you, said after that but going up,
Speaker 4: there LIKE i, SAID i my background with bigfoot was finding.
Speaker 4: Bigfoot and you, know other than exposing bigfoot theory too many,
Speaker 4: people not a lot of people have good things to
Speaker 4: say about finding. Bigfoot SO i was a, skeptic and
Speaker 4: after this now was at least open to the eydea That,
Speaker 4: bigfoot if not being a, possibility was a.
Speaker 3: Probability, Yeah AND i was higher Than curtis to. START
Speaker 3: i was in the probability phase with, that and THEN
Speaker 3: i think both of us when we got out of,
Speaker 3: there were, saying, hey this is definitely definitely probable if
Speaker 3: but you, know you're sure something's going on there with that,
Speaker 3: Gotcha so it.
Speaker 2: Moved it moved the needle a little bit before you,
Speaker 2: guys you made it probably a.
Speaker 4: Lot and we talked about it continually for the next two,
Speaker 4: years and in twenty twenty three we actually went looking
Speaker 4: for gold In, idaho and and if it wasn't for,
Speaker 4: that we probably would have gone bigfooting in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Three but even there we may have found a. Print
Speaker 4: so even though we went looking for, gold we might
Speaker 4: have found some evidence of a bigfoot In. Idaho but you,
Speaker 4: know we got to About january of twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: And david calls me up and, says we need to
Speaker 4: go on another. Trip so we kind of had a.
Speaker 4: Discussion do we want to go back to the same.
Speaker 4: PLACE i, mean that's you, know it was a great
Speaker 4: place and there's something to. Habituation you, know maybe maybe
Speaker 4: going back we would see, more but we wanted to
Speaker 4: kind of go after watching, videos we wanted to kind
Speaker 4: of go somewhere. Else so we started, discussing, well maybe
Speaker 4: we'll go To, canada you, know with all the findings
Speaker 4: they have Around, nordig but you, know it's hard to
Speaker 4: get guns up, there and you, know we wanted. Protection
Speaker 4: we weren't, hunting but we didn't want to go out
Speaker 4: in the wilderness with you, know bear around and no.
Speaker 4: Guns so that kind of ruled Out. Canada and then
Speaker 4: we thought About, alaska but you, know getting To alaska
Speaker 4: is just so hard to take up half of our
Speaker 4: vacation just getting there and half of it getting. Back
Speaker 4: so we started looking In oregon And, washington AND i
Speaker 4: went to THE bfro Like david had For, california and
Speaker 4: found That washington had more Sightings CLASS a And CLASS
Speaker 4: b sidings in any other state in the in the
Speaker 4: in THE, US i think at the time it had
Speaker 4: eight hundred and seventy six or something like. THAT i
Speaker 4: don't remember the exact, number but there are a lot
Speaker 4: Of CLASS a And CLASS b side and so we
Speaker 4: kind of decided to go To washington because that's you,
Speaker 4: know close To canada, obviously and Like david had said About,
Speaker 4: california we wanted to just get, away so we went
Speaker 4: where the population wasn't. There there are a lot of
Speaker 4: reports on the western half Of washington because that's also
Speaker 4: where the most population, is you Know Mount rainier and
Speaker 4: The cascades and you know The olympics and all that.
Speaker 4: Stuff but we wanted to get away From, seattle so
Speaker 4: we started looking on the eastern side Of, washington AND
Speaker 4: i actually found four or five YouTubers who who have
Speaker 4: had experiences in an Eastern, washington and THEN i found three
Speaker 4: of those specifically had a lot of activity Near Sullivan,
Speaker 4: lake which is about as far north and as far
Speaker 4: east you can go In washington without either going Into
Speaker 4: canada Or. Idaho and there's this campground on the Along
Speaker 4: Sullivan creek which feeds Into Sullivan, lake and it has
Speaker 4: over about ten miles about eighteen, campsites but they, always you,
Speaker 4: know when you look on, reservations they looked pretty, full
Speaker 4: and we didn't really want to be around other, people
Speaker 4: SO i called the ranger station there and kind of
Speaker 4: spoke to one of the rangers and asked him where
Speaker 4: we could do dispersed camping kind of away from everybody,
Speaker 4: else but still have water source and even have a
Speaker 4: bathroom if we, needed and he suggested a place Called Gypsy,
Speaker 4: Meadows so we quickly looked it up on On Google,
Speaker 4: map and when you look at the satellite, view it's
Speaker 4: probably maybe twelve miles up the creek or so From Sulvan,
Speaker 4: lake and while there are a few campgrounds maybe a
Speaker 4: mile or, so there's not a whole. Lot and in,
Speaker 4: fact just across the, creek which sort of goes on
Speaker 4: the edge Of Gypsy meadows is The Salmo Priest. Wilderness
Speaker 4: so while we weren't in the, wilderness we were maybe
Speaker 4: one hundred yards from. It and at the end of
Speaker 4: The Sulivan creek, road maybe three or four miles up
Speaker 4: from The Gypsy, meadows the road ended in the, wilderness
Speaker 4: and we went hiking up there one day and just
Speaker 4: saw how. Remote it was so basically after finding a
Speaker 4: bunch of people on, YouTube that's where we decided to.
Speaker 3: Go So Gypsy. Meadows so we Go ryan coming Into
Speaker 3: Gypsy meadows there and it's LIKE i, said it's about
Speaker 3: twelve mile dirt road you go up. There we really
Speaker 3: got most of the camps were not occupied at the
Speaker 3: time we're. Gone we, passed you, know occasional once or.
Speaker 3: One there was a about a quarter mile just Before Ditchy,
Speaker 3: meadows we passed one. Trader that guy was there that
Speaker 3: he was in that trader the whole time that we were.
Speaker 3: There and we go into the meadow and it was
Speaker 3: empty at that. Point so we went all the way
Speaker 3: to the end of the meadow as far as you
Speaker 3: get from the mid, road set up our camp at
Speaker 3: this you, know a pretty nice camp campsite, There and
Speaker 3: we got there around three in the, afternoon and, uh you,
Speaker 3: know plenty of time to set up. Camp and then
Speaker 3: something happened To curtis right. Then that made more sense,
Speaker 3: later but we didn't really didn't think much of it right.
Speaker 4: Then but, yeah so we were setting up our camp
Speaker 4: and and you, know we put up our aning to
Speaker 4: for a place to eat and then we both were
Speaker 4: setting up our, tents and after we set up our,
Speaker 4: TENTS i decided to blow up my air mattress while
Speaker 4: it was still light SO i didn't have to do
Speaker 4: it when we went to. Bed AND i had this
Speaker 4: little backpacking air pump that probably blow up my mattress
Speaker 4: in about a minute or. So the only problem with
Speaker 4: it it makes a pretty high pitched wine when you
Speaker 4: turn the motor on while it's blowing the. Air and
Speaker 4: SO i turned this motor on and all of a,
Speaker 4: sudden from across the, creek we estimate maybe a quarter
Speaker 4: mile away so from the, wilderness we heard this owl start.
Speaker 4: Hooting and at first we, thought, well that's a little,
Speaker 4: strange you, know because it's during the. Day but the
Speaker 4: bar owl does has been known to hoot during the,
Speaker 4: day so we really didn't think much of. It but
Speaker 4: it just it would not stop hooting UNTIL i turned
Speaker 4: off my, pump and as soon AS i, did the hooting.
Speaker 4: Stopped and we only mentioned. This it did catch our,
Speaker 4: attention but it seemed like what strangeness that followed was
Speaker 4: almost always preceded by owl, hoots so we're not saying
Speaker 4: that wasn't an owl that was hooting at. Us but
Speaker 4: later on in the next few, days owl hooting sort
Speaker 4: of preceded everything.
Speaker 3: Else so once you got set, up we'd heard that
Speaker 3: that the young you didn't think anything of a day
Speaker 3: is by, say it's cool to hear it, now you.
Speaker 3: Know but at the end of the meadow there the
Speaker 3: trail that goes out toward the north northeast. Area we
Speaker 3: decided to go for a. Hike we had a couple
Speaker 3: hours left to. Sunlight so we go walking out there
Speaker 3: and we crossed the creek over and we're start fallowing
Speaker 3: game trail and we left the main trail and you,
Speaker 3: know to get across this creek and walking along and
Speaker 3: ACTUALLY i see the, footprint Like i'll, furds hey look at,
Speaker 3: this and there're just this one. INDENTATION i, mean it
Speaker 3: wasn't quite perfectly clear. Anything we could definitely see the
Speaker 3: heel and the, wider you, know foot and we measured
Speaker 3: it because now we're left rookies and we bring measuring.
Speaker 3: Tapes but it measured about fourteen and a half inches
Speaker 3: long with, that AND i, feel, well that's. Cool SO i,
Speaker 3: decided you, know we ought to cast this thing because
Speaker 3: we never casted anything. Before as we are doing AND i,
Speaker 3: said you, know it's not a very you, know great,
Speaker 3: print but, hey we need some experience in. Casting so
Speaker 3: we went back the next day to to cast that
Speaker 3: and decided to leave some you know, gifts, apples we
Speaker 3: brought peanut butter. Jar we put out you, know four,
Speaker 3: there and we put a game camera up on that
Speaker 3: area and just for. Observation we never did see. Anything
Speaker 3: no one ever took any of the, gifts but that
Speaker 3: was we did go back and cast that one print
Speaker 3: at that.
Speaker 4: Time and while we were, there it was again the
Speaker 4: same essentially the same week as in twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: is the last week Of. August for whatever, reason there
Speaker 4: was a burn band so we couldn't have, campfires which
Speaker 4: was kind of. Disappointing but our second night, there some
Speaker 4: other campers had come into the other side of the
Speaker 4: meadow and they were probably about one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: yards from, us and they were camped right up against
Speaker 4: the west side of the meadow and we were sort
Speaker 4: of on THE i guess you'd call it southeast side
Speaker 4: of the, meadow and they were about one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty yards from. Us they came in kind of round.
Speaker 4: Dusk the first rule of bigfooting is when you get
Speaker 4: there put out. Recorders and of, course even though we weren't,
Speaker 4: rookies we still made a. Mistake we didn't put out
Speaker 4: recorders that, night and because there was a burn, band
Speaker 4: or about nine thirty or, ten it started getting, cold
Speaker 4: and you, know we set around looking with our fleers all,
Speaker 4: around and we'd even gone for a night drive to
Speaker 4: see if any we could pick anything up On david's
Speaker 4: dash cam or on our, flares and we saw deer
Speaker 4: and bear and all sorts of. Things but, finally around
Speaker 4: nine thirty or, ten we decided to go to, bed
Speaker 4: and just as we turned out the, lights that same,
Speaker 4: owl or at least from the same, direction kind of
Speaker 4: gave us a good night. HOOT i didn't think much of. It,
Speaker 4: AGAIN i, mean this is kind of neat here in the.
Speaker 4: Owl for whatever, reason that NIGHT i just could not
Speaker 4: get to. Sleep the first night from, TRAVEL i fell right.
Speaker 4: Asleep but this, night LIKE i, said we went to
Speaker 4: bed about. Night i'm, thirty AND i kind of tossed
Speaker 4: and turned for a couple of, hours and FINALLY i
Speaker 4: looked at my watch AND i, said you, know ten to,
Speaker 4: twelve AND i still hadn't fallen, asleep SO i kind
Speaker 4: of closed my, eyes rolled over and tried to get
Speaker 4: to sleep. Again and about ten or fifteen minutes, later
Speaker 4: so probably just after, midnight that same owl started, hooting
Speaker 4: but this time it didn't. Stop it was almost LIKE
Speaker 4: i had that air pump, on.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: Know for three or four, minutes it just kept hooting
Speaker 4: and hooting and. Hooting it would pause after four or
Speaker 4: five hoots and listen and then pick it up. Again
Speaker 4: and As i'm laying, There i'm kind of getting annoyed
Speaker 4: at this owl Because i'm trying to. SLEEP i started
Speaker 4: thinking it's getting. Louder is it getting? Closer does does
Speaker 4: an owl hoot when it? FLIES i don't, know but
Speaker 4: it seemed like it was getting, closer and not to
Speaker 4: put human characters on an, animal it seemed a little more.
Speaker 4: Frantic besides being, louder the hoots got, quicker and LIKE i,
Speaker 4: said after four or five, hoots it would kind of
Speaker 4: stop and, listen and THEN i again had to kind
Speaker 4: of pause and make SURE i was hearing WHAT i was.
Speaker 4: Hearing the, HOOTS i, thought turned into, whoops and it
Speaker 4: was distinctly, different even though it seemed to be the same.
Speaker 4: Voice and after four or five. Hoots i'm about ready
Speaker 4: to get out out of my sleeping bag and go
Speaker 4: wake Up. David all of a sudden there's a. Response
Speaker 4: off to our north and off to our. East something
Speaker 4: answered these hoots and, whoops and they answered him with.
Speaker 4: Hoots so as soon as the answer came back the,
Speaker 4: owl if you, would stopped. Hooting and so, YEAH i
Speaker 4: didn't really have a chance to get out a. BIT
Speaker 4: i didn't wake Up, david AND i wasn't going to
Speaker 4: wake him up for you, know for. Nothing SO i
Speaker 4: tried to get back to, sleep and about an hour
Speaker 4: LATER i was still not, asleep and the exact same pattern.
Speaker 4: Happened this owl started hooting, again and then for the second,
Speaker 4: TIME i started hearing, whoops and this TIME i kind
Speaker 4: of thought to, myself, WELL i GUESS i really did hear.
Speaker 4: Him and again just As i'm not ready to get
Speaker 4: out of bed and wake Up, david those two owls
Speaker 4: off to the north and off to the east answered.
Speaker 4: It and as soon as they answered, it it was silent.
Speaker 4: Again so AGAIN i didn't wake Up. David the next
Speaker 4: THING i, KNOW i had probably i'd most likely fallen
Speaker 4: asleep And david was shaking my tent getting me.
Speaker 3: Up, well it's proby. Rum you, know around two, o'clock
Speaker 3: in between one thirty and two, o'clock all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they get woke up by this tremendously cloud you, know.
Speaker 3: Hooting and it was from where my tent. Was these
Speaker 3: these two campers there were as a younger younger younger
Speaker 3: boy and older you, know he's, PROBABLY i guess the older,
Speaker 3: guy probably in his late. Twenties from the younger guy
Speaker 3: was probably in the. Teenager and they had just coming
Speaker 3: in and parked on the opposite, endo the you, know
Speaker 3: the meadow from where we were well closer to the
Speaker 3: entrance on the road, there but they were parked on
Speaker 3: the and their tent was like right on the edge
Speaker 3: of the, forest were on that side of the. Netdow
Speaker 3: AND i swear this, thing the noise in the racket
Speaker 3: THAT i started hearing this hooting started from the you,
Speaker 3: know If i'm talking about a degree from, me had
Speaker 3: about forty five degrees to my right towards the creek,
Speaker 3: area and it. Went it was, loud and it was the,
Speaker 3: whoa whoa whoa, work whoa, whoa whoa. Work it was
Speaker 3: mo and it was going. FAST i felt that it
Speaker 3: was going right through those guys, camp and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden in the middle is, Whoa all of a,
Speaker 3: SUDDEN i start here in this right Round la Black
Speaker 3: Way wa wow up and the cultic thing it sounded
Speaker 3: to me if you if you've heard The sierra sounds
Speaker 3: in That samurai, gibberish are. Like but these guys were
Speaker 3: like they were like angry at each, other and they
Speaker 3: were going all, right, right, right right. Right but it
Speaker 3: was moving as this is going. Wrong and then it
Speaker 3: keeps moving probably from that forty five to the directly
Speaker 3: right by those guys. CAMP i, THOUGHT i, said that's
Speaker 3: going right through their. Camp and then it continued on
Speaker 3: across the road and up to the main road and
Speaker 3: up the. Ridge and it was only about thirty you,
Speaker 3: know probably thirty seconds of time for that time for
Speaker 3: that for that motion to happen across. There AND i
Speaker 3: got up and went and Got, Curtisi, hey did you
Speaker 3: Hear that's what the heck was? That and he comes
Speaker 3: climbing out of the tent and we get ever flashots
Speaker 3: out and we looked down the meadow and these other
Speaker 3: guys are climbing out of their tent and what's going?
Speaker 3: On we didn't go talk to them that time, night
Speaker 3: but it was definitely a loud screaming and the only
Speaker 3: THING i could picture that rot noise was compared to
Speaker 3: The sierra sounds with. It And curtis hadn't heard, it BUT,
Speaker 3: i you, KNOW i tried to explain it to, him
Speaker 3: and he got up the next morning and actually went
Speaker 3: and talked to the one of those.
Speaker 4: Guys, Yeah and so just to put this in, perspective
Speaker 4: the creek is the border of the, wilderness and likely
Speaker 4: What david's describing is whatever pack was moving came from
Speaker 4: the wilderness across the creek well behind these guys, camp
Speaker 4: through the, woods across the, road into the, meadow across
Speaker 4: another little small, meadow up a ridge that was a
Speaker 4: center forest about one hundred more, yards and across the
Speaker 4: main road and back into another. Wilderness so it probably,
Speaker 4: traveled you, know one hundred and fifty yards at least in,
Speaker 4: seconds and it was all essentially cross. Country and this
Speaker 4: WAS i looked it up. Later of, course there was
Speaker 4: a burn, band so nobody had a, fire there was
Speaker 4: no light from the, fire and it was also a
Speaker 4: waning moon that was less than a quarter of a,
Speaker 4: moon so there was no, moonlight so whatever traveled this
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty or so yards across the creek
Speaker 4: from the wilderness did so essentially in pitch. Black But david's.
Speaker 4: Right the next, morning you, know we all crawled back into,
Speaker 4: bed maybe by two thirty or, so we'd all been
Speaker 4: looking around for ten or fifteen. MINUTES i didn't sleep
Speaker 4: very well after. THAT i just kept waking up THINKING
Speaker 4: i heard something and didn't really or. Anything but pretty
Speaker 4: SOON i see light coming into my tent AND i,
Speaker 4: Say i'm not, Sleeping i'm just getting, up AND i
Speaker 4: decided to walk down to the. Bathroom so it's, probably
Speaker 4: oh maybe an eighth of a mile away from our.
Speaker 4: Camp and WHEN i get down, THERE i see someone
Speaker 4: who's in the, bathroom AND i didn't know who it,
Speaker 4: was SO i kind of waited about fifty feet. AWAY
Speaker 4: i didn't want to bother them while they were going
Speaker 4: to the, bathroom AND i when the door, OPENED i
Speaker 4: realized it was the older of the two gentlemen that
Speaker 4: had pulled into camp that, evening and SO i kind
Speaker 4: of wanted to get a sense of what he had,
Speaker 4: heard because clearly they heard. Something they were out at
Speaker 4: two o'clock in the, morning look in the flashlights all
Speaker 4: through the meadow and through the forest to, see you,
Speaker 4: know if they could find. Anything BUT i didn't want
Speaker 4: to influence what he. Said SO i, said, boy that
Speaker 4: was a crazy, night wasn't. It and he, said, yeah it.
Speaker 4: Was what do you think that? Was AND i, SAID
Speaker 4: i don't, know you, KNOW i JUST i kind of
Speaker 4: wanted to get his. Opinion and he, said there was
Speaker 4: a pack of, them and whatever they, were they were
Speaker 4: barking while they were, running and one of them was
Speaker 4: up in the, tree or might have been up in
Speaker 4: the tree right above my. Tent and then they ran
Speaker 4: and you, know behind your camp and up the ridge
Speaker 4: and crossed the road and then it became. Silent SO
Speaker 4: i said to, him so you think they were dogs
Speaker 4: because you said they were, Barking and he, said, well not.
Speaker 4: Really that's the only DESCRIPTION i could think. Of you,
Speaker 4: know it just sounded like a dog, barking a bunch
Speaker 4: of dogs barking at each. Other AND i, said, well
Speaker 4: can you imitate? It and so he kind of thought
Speaker 4: for a, second and he imitated the samurai sounds to,
Speaker 4: me and so THEN i said to, him, well have
Speaker 4: you ever heard of The sierra, sounds and he said,
Speaker 4: No AND i, said what do you think of? Bigfoot
Speaker 4: and he kind of had a nervous. Chuckle didn't e
Speaker 4: been saying anything, else and kind of turned and walked.
Speaker 4: Away and, incidentally they left right after. BREAKFAST i don't
Speaker 4: know if that was their. Plan it might have, been
Speaker 4: OR i don't know if they were influenced by what they,
Speaker 4: heard but after breakfast they were. Gone but now it's
Speaker 4: like six fifteen in the. MORNING i went to the.
Speaker 4: BATHROOM i Figured david was still, asleep because WHEN i
Speaker 4: left the camp he was. Asleep Both david and this
Speaker 4: guy said it had crossed the main road sort of
Speaker 4: one hundred yards or so behind our. Camp SO i
Speaker 4: DECIDED i was in my camp, shoes which were basically like.
Speaker 4: CROCS i wasn't gonna be able to do any cross country,
Speaker 4: stuff BUT i FIGURED i could walk up the dirt
Speaker 4: road at. Least AND i walked up about one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty, yards AND i noticed up this ridge all
Speaker 4: the grass had been churned up by. SOMETHING i couldn't
Speaker 4: really see any big, footprints but something definitely had churned
Speaker 4: up the grass going up this. Ridge and THEN i
Speaker 4: looked to my right and about ten feet away there
Speaker 4: was a tree break about nine feet.
Speaker 5: Up Both david and this Young this young man said
Speaker 5: that they had crossed the, road SO i figured it
Speaker 5: had to come out on the other sides.
Speaker 4: Somewhere SO i walked across the road towards our, camp
Speaker 4: and our camp was still at least one hundred yards,
Speaker 4: away And i'm looking into the. FOREST i can't really see,
Speaker 4: anything because you, know that's saying you can't see the
Speaker 4: forest because the trees ALL i see are a bunch of.
Speaker 4: Trees BUT i eventually found a trail coming out of
Speaker 4: the forest up the embankment to the, road AND i
Speaker 4: marked the trail and THEN i decided to walk back to.
Speaker 4: Camp and WHEN i got back just into the, Meadow
Speaker 4: david was awake and he was kind of looking around
Speaker 4: to see if he could track anything from the other
Speaker 4: side from our from our camp.
Speaker 3: Side so, YEAH i got up And burgers wasn't, around
Speaker 3: SO i, started you, know walking, out GO i want
Speaker 3: to walk down to that those guys area and see
Speaker 3: IF i could see any find any tracks of cramps
Speaker 3: or things like. That and there's a small meadow across
Speaker 3: from where their camp. Was it goes into the forest
Speaker 3: towards the, road AND i was in there looking AND
Speaker 3: i could, see you, know some, imprints nothing, specific you,
Speaker 3: know nothing like, a, hey this is a great footprint
Speaker 3: anything like, that but it's definitely a game. Trail so
Speaker 3: When curtis got, back we got got our gearst you,
Speaker 3: know got our stuff, together and decided to go follow
Speaker 3: this game. Trail we're falling Fro he goes across you,
Speaker 3: know small you, know hills and, bays and we start
Speaker 3: following it up and we end up coming up on
Speaker 3: this or little ridge and we see this perfect x
Speaker 3: of you, know two trees making AN, x and they're
Speaker 3: just sitting right and front of, us and the trees
Speaker 3: ARE i, mean it's probably about twenty feet, tall, yeah
Speaker 3: and probably.
Speaker 4: Ten inches in diameter at the bottom or.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah but it's a perfect. Axe and we go
Speaker 3: we started looking examining these these trees and they the
Speaker 3: one if we're standing looking back towards a. Meadow the
Speaker 3: one on the right was bent down and it was
Speaker 3: put in between two different trees that were close, together
Speaker 3: and it kind of its folding and it went on.
Speaker 3: Up we could see where it. Was it had broken
Speaker 3: at the rip, base but it was sitting right, there
Speaker 3: but it had been pushed AND i don't know how
Speaker 3: it would be fall so perfectly to go in between these.
Speaker 3: Things there was no branches, on you, know on the
Speaker 3: tree that was cleaned. Off then we looked at the
Speaker 3: other crossbar and on the other, side and this one
Speaker 3: was actually we got pictures of. It it was actually
Speaker 3: was not broken at the, base but it was twisted
Speaker 3: and you could see the bark was rotated or twisted
Speaker 3: in order for it to fit over this other one
Speaker 3: and then to fit in between the other two trees
Speaker 3: that it went. Through AND i was, like how does that? Happen,
Speaker 3: yeah how do you twist a tree to fit? It
Speaker 3: you know? Naturally just in the, like no way that's
Speaker 3: going to happen. Naturally and then so we're done looking at,
Speaker 3: that and we're this is a you, know we've seen
Speaker 3: other YouTube things on people their exes and things like,
Speaker 3: that and they, go this has got to be this
Speaker 3: is not natural and natural X and we got pictures
Speaker 3: of all, that and then videos is showing the twisting
Speaker 3: of that that one. Tree how does this not? Break
Speaker 3: because it had to be a great tree for it
Speaker 3: to do. That so then we keep following the game
Speaker 3: trail and either not quincidently or, quiztling we end up
Speaker 3: walking out on the road right By curtis's mark that
Speaker 3: he had marked on the, Road and so it was
Speaker 3: like we had actually followed the track or the trails
Speaker 3: up into that. Area you never saw any like real
Speaker 3: good footprints that we. Could there was definitely disturbances in the,
Speaker 3: dirt but nothing we could you, know look and, say,
Speaker 3: hey there's a big footprint or anything like that at that.
Speaker 4: Point and then we also look later sort of behind
Speaker 4: that guy's camp when WHEN i talked to the, guy you,
Speaker 4: Know david had originally thought that it had run right
Speaker 4: through their, camp BUT i had talked to him and
Speaker 4: he had, said, no it ran through the woods right
Speaker 4: behind their. Camp the whole, pack and he said there
Speaker 4: was more than one of, Them AND i Think david
Speaker 4: believes he heard three different, voices so we believe there
Speaker 4: are at least three of. Them but we found two
Speaker 4: game trails that went right behind their camp and went
Speaker 4: and ended basically at the. Creek so something LIKE i,
Speaker 4: said came from the, wilderness crossed the, creek ran behind
Speaker 4: these guys, camp and you, know whether one was in
Speaker 4: a tree above his tent or, NOT i don't, know
Speaker 4: but that's what he. Said you. KNOW i guess the other,
Speaker 4: alternative if if something is very, tall it might sound
Speaker 4: like it's in a tree above your. Tent but they.
Speaker 4: Were their tent was right on the edge of the.
Speaker 4: Forest SO i suppose it is possible that there was
Speaker 4: one of these animals in the tree above. It but
Speaker 4: that that day not much. Happened we went for some.
Speaker 4: Hikes finally the third night we get smart enough to
Speaker 4: put out. Recorders, uh we didn't record any of that
Speaker 4: stuff from the night, before but LIKE i, said most
Speaker 4: nights we went on on a little. Drive and before
Speaker 4: we went on this drive this, NIGHT i went and
Speaker 4: put a recorder out on The Gypsy meadows entrance sign
Speaker 4: and was essentially right in line with where these things
Speaker 4: had had. Passed AND i turned on the, recorder and
Speaker 4: then we went for a. Drive Now i've gone back
Speaker 4: and listened to all, that and while we were, gone
Speaker 4: you could hear some twigs breaking in the forest and
Speaker 4: something walking on the. Gravel now that doesn't mean it
Speaker 4: couldn't have been the guy who, was you, know in
Speaker 4: the trailer a quarter mile from, us But i've gone
Speaker 4: back and listened to, it and at least for that
Speaker 4: hour or so while we were, driving we heard something
Speaker 4: walking around the, recorder and then about an hour after,
Speaker 4: THAT i heard four rock. Clacks it was two, clacks
Speaker 4: stopped for about two, seconds and then two more, clacks
Speaker 4: AND i, thought, well that's kind of, strange and THEN
Speaker 4: i kept. Listening in about ten seconds after those rock,
Speaker 4: clacks you Hear david's truck driving into the, meadows, so you,
Speaker 4: know again putting human characteristics on an. Animal did it
Speaker 4: see our headlights coming from you, know a half mile,
Speaker 4: away did it hear our? Engine did it then clack
Speaker 4: to give a. WARNING i don't, know but it was
Speaker 4: either very much coincidental or it really did. Happen so
Speaker 4: we got back from our drive and again we can't
Speaker 4: have a, fire so we went to bed pretty, early
Speaker 4: and about eleven thirty AGAIN i hear that same owl
Speaker 4: hooting across the creek, again and this time it stopped
Speaker 4: after ten or twelve. Hoots and then about five minutes after,
Speaker 4: THAT i heard a couple of footsteps on the ridge
Speaker 4: up above. Us now the twig breaking and footsteps up
Speaker 4: above my tent were PROBABLY i don't, know seventy five
Speaker 4: feet away or, so and it was going pretty. Slowly
Speaker 4: in other, WORDS i wouldn't hear constant, walking SO i
Speaker 4: couldn't tell if it was bipedal or a. Bear but
Speaker 4: maybe ten minutes after, that something was right Outside david's.
Speaker 3: Tent So i'm we had just started setting up our
Speaker 3: recorders AND i put, up you, know a recorder out
Speaker 3: telling on a. Pole they BUT i put my phone
Speaker 3: AND i, SAID i want to start recording things IF i.
Speaker 3: Can so my phone was ready to start recording and
Speaker 3: things inside my, tent and all of a, SUDDEN i
Speaker 3: you're woken up by this hooting right there's literally ten
Speaker 3: feet away from, It like there's a pole over there
Speaker 3: in the in the. MEADOW i was behind this you
Speaker 3: know bush of the, trees you know where my where
Speaker 3: my tent, was but it was only ten feet away
Speaker 3: from this pulse and it was right by that. Pole
Speaker 3: it was like standing and it was, loud and it
Speaker 3: was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa you, know it sounded like
Speaker 3: a bart owt. O but then it goes, off you,
Speaker 3: know into like the curse of. It you, know it's
Speaker 3: a little, different BUT i was, like what DO i do?
Speaker 3: Now SO i started recording And i'm, like DO i get? Out?
Speaker 3: Now do WHAT i? DO i turn on my? Light,
Speaker 3: WELL i want to scare this thing. OFF i don't
Speaker 3: know what it. IS i you, know from by this
Speaker 3: time with all the duty and things in especially What
Speaker 3: i've heard the night before with Those sierra, sounds AND
Speaker 3: i was, like, oh what DO i do? Here so
Speaker 3: then it started move it it moved across and was further.
Speaker 3: Away it was like across the meadow and was doing
Speaker 3: the same. Thing AND i didn't hear any like walking
Speaker 3: or anything like. That BUT i didn't hear any you,
Speaker 3: know we had, heard, uh we'd heard an owl start flying,
Speaker 3: before but it had we'd heard the wing flaps at that,
Speaker 3: time but NOT i didn't hear anything like that on this.
Speaker 3: Time but it was loud and it kept, going and
Speaker 3: then we started hearing some responses farther away with, that
Speaker 3: and SO i was, like this thing is right outside my,
Speaker 3: tent whatever it, is and if this is a a book,
Speaker 3: FLIP i don't know IF i should start getting out
Speaker 3: of leaked tent or. WHATEVER i, MEAN i was armed
Speaker 3: and things like, that but it's like what do you
Speaker 3: do in that? Situation and it, was Like david, said
Speaker 3: it was extremely.
Speaker 4: Loud you, know people talk about they feel a percussion
Speaker 4: in their chest or. SOMETHING i don't know IF i felt,
Speaker 4: that but this thing was one of the loudest Things
Speaker 4: i've ever, heard and it sounded like it was on the. Ground,
Speaker 4: AGAIN i guess it doesn't mean it couldn't have been an,
Speaker 4: owl but it. Didn't it sounded like something imitating an.
Speaker 4: Owl and this my recorder was about one hundred yards,
Speaker 4: away And i've listened to, it and on my recorder
Speaker 4: it is extremely loud from one hundred yards. Away it
Speaker 4: was just crazy how loud it. Is And david's looked
Speaker 4: at it on a spectrum. Analysis he'll talk about that
Speaker 4: in a. Second but you, know we get out and
Speaker 4: look around, again we don't find. Anything we kind of
Speaker 4: go back to. Bed But i've since listened to that
Speaker 4: night on all my, recordings and during the, night once
Speaker 4: we were eventually, asleep after probably one or two, am
Speaker 4: there were two distant, howls like The ohio, howls separated
Speaker 4: by probably fifteen, minutes so there's one howl and then.
Speaker 4: Another we heard four or five different whistles on my
Speaker 4: tape for that, night and then there was also a metal,
Speaker 4: banging almost like something hitting sheet. Metal And i've done
Speaker 4: a little bit of research on YouTube AND i found
Speaker 4: a couple of other people who were in this same
Speaker 4: campground who have heard, that AND i, was you, know
Speaker 4: they were trying to figure out what it. Was and
Speaker 4: literally just the other DAY i started, THINKING i wonder
Speaker 4: if it's a road sign or something that something is,
Speaker 4: hitting because you, know there are signs on the main
Speaker 4: road d you, know saying turn here for gypsy, meadows
Speaker 4: or there's a sharp corner or speed limit or. Whatever
Speaker 4: but something there's a metallic bang THAT i hear at
Speaker 4: like three in the morning on my recorder and, anyway
Speaker 4: we didn't hear any of that because we were. Asleep
Speaker 4: But david has done a spectrum analysis on that guy
Speaker 4: that whatever it, was it was you, know on the.
Speaker 4: Ground it wasn't in the, air or wasn't in a.
Speaker 4: Tree something was on the ground low making these. Noises
Speaker 4: and he's done a spectrum analysis and compared it to
Speaker 4: Bart owls.
Speaker 3: Bug you, KNOW i, had you, know took it from
Speaker 3: my iPhone recorder and put it on the you, Know
Speaker 3: audacity and put on the spectro analysis AND i downloaded
Speaker 3: different he or four different barred owl sounds you, know
Speaker 3: from The, internet and try to compare that to what it,
Speaker 3: was and they were. Different they, didn't you, know really.
Speaker 3: Anything neil liked, it SO i. Didn't you, Know i'm
Speaker 3: not a another sound expert or or anything like, that
Speaker 3: but WHEN i was trying to compare it to known
Speaker 3: bard owl, sounds it was, different you, know for me
Speaker 3: where it, was BUT i don't know what could be
Speaker 3: something that loud it. Was it was very loud and really.
Speaker 3: Close aaron d didn't want to get out of the
Speaker 3: tent at That and since Then i've sent a message
Speaker 3: to is It is It Chris spencer from The Olympic.
Speaker 3: PROJECT i could be getting the name, Wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah Probably Chris, Spencer David, Ellis, yeah it Was Chris.
Speaker 4: SPENCER i DIDN'T i didn't send him the the, recording
Speaker 4: BUT i did ask him if if he's if he
Speaker 4: has any experience or anything of them mimicking, owls and
Speaker 4: and he replied to me he's heard them mimic just about,
Speaker 4: everything but he's never heard of them mimicking. Owls and
Speaker 4: SO i didn't send it to. Him But i've since
Speaker 4: on YouTube heard two or three other people talk about
Speaker 4: something that didn't quite sound like an, owl and they're
Speaker 4: associating it with bigfoot. Activity, so you, know thinking about,
Speaker 4: that AS i Said, david AND i like to analyze
Speaker 4: everything sometimes maybe way too. MUCH i, MEAN i think
Speaker 4: there are, basically you, know three. Options maybe maybe it
Speaker 4: was all owls and maybe we're. WRONG i mean that's option.
Speaker 4: One option two is is you, know at some point
Speaker 4: a bigfoot was mimicking an. Owl the third option Because
Speaker 4: david heard. WHOOPS i heard whoops two different. NIGHTS i heard.
Speaker 4: Whoops the third option, is you, know Maybe bigfoot is
Speaker 4: using those owl hoots to try to mask their their.
Speaker 4: Whoops but you, know even if if we're completely, wrong
Speaker 4: then we're. Wrong and you, know if option one is
Speaker 4: true that there was all owls and then we're. Wrong
Speaker 4: BUT I i can't imagine, everything especially the you, know
Speaker 4: that doesn't explain that The sierra sounds That david. Found
Speaker 4: but if either they were mimicking owls or they used
Speaker 4: owls to mask their own, woops that still shows you,
Speaker 4: know pretty good intelligence to be able to do. That but,
Speaker 4: anyway the next morning we got up and we both
Speaker 4: walked down to the bathroom and there was this little
Speaker 4: road going Into gypsy. Meadows it's PROBABLY i don't, Know
Speaker 4: i'll just, Say, david ten feet, wide eight feet, wide
Speaker 4: something like. That it's, not it's. Not it's not a
Speaker 4: two lane. Road it's a one lane. Road, basically, yeah
Speaker 4: tenz wide or. Something but, anyway we're walking down and
Speaker 4: we looked down and in the tracks That david's one
Speaker 4: ton truck had, made all of a, sudden we see
Speaker 4: this eighteen by, six so eighteen inches long and six inches,
Speaker 4: wide wet spot that looked like a foot and there
Speaker 4: was only one of. Them so if this was a real,
Speaker 4: print and we think it, was you, know it basically
Speaker 4: took one step onto the road and was, gone and
Speaker 4: it was probably probably a little more than halfway, across
Speaker 4: maybe two thirds away across the. Road and then we
Speaker 4: started looking around and the creek was only maybe one
Speaker 4: hundred to one hundred and fifty yards. Away and THEN
Speaker 4: i Think david noticed that right where it had crossed
Speaker 4: the main road there was another tree, break and this
Speaker 4: tree break was fairly fresh in that the upper part
Speaker 4: the leave were just starting to turn, yellow but they
Speaker 4: still had green needles on, them and the needles below
Speaker 4: were completely. Green so so we're not saying that the
Speaker 4: tree break occurred at the same time as this, print
Speaker 4: but something left a wet eighteen inch footprint on that.
Speaker 3: Road the break on the green tree at one time
Speaker 3: it had been, green and, so like you, said the
Speaker 3: upper the leaves on the above the break were, yellow
Speaker 3: so they had been dying for a little. While but
Speaker 3: the break was up about nine feet light be. Tall
Speaker 3: and there again we're looking around to see who has that.
Speaker 3: Break is something fall on this or you know, whatever
Speaker 3: end there's. Not it's like something that held up there
Speaker 3: and actually had to hold it and break it in
Speaker 3: order for. It and it was pointed towards the road
Speaker 3: again like the other one we had seen back in twenty,
Speaker 3: two going towards the. Trail so that was pretty, strange you,
Speaker 3: know for. That BUT i got a picture of that
Speaker 3: wet footprint next to my shoe and it definitely is. Big.
Speaker 4: Yeah and that afternoon we found a trail across the.
Speaker 4: Road it was it was a regular hiking. Trail we
Speaker 4: took it up and probably about a mile and alfter
Speaker 4: two miles up the trail just off the trail there
Speaker 4: was some grass that was maybe two and a half
Speaker 4: three feet, tall And david noticed that there was a
Speaker 4: bedding area for probably three or four. Deer it wasn't
Speaker 4: what they weren't. Big i'm not implying, that you, know
Speaker 4: anything bigger than a deer was. There and we, thought,
Speaker 4: oh that's kind of, neat but, well we had missed going.
Speaker 4: Out we found on the way back that, afternoon about
Speaker 4: fifty feet from those three or four little deer beds
Speaker 4: in this, grass something with two feet had stood in
Speaker 4: the grass about fifty feet away and was had apparently,
Speaker 4: been you, know looking at these deer while they were.
Speaker 4: Sleeping david actually found both the deer beds and the
Speaker 4: the other, print and both of them were just like
Speaker 4: five feet off the, trail but something had either stood
Speaker 4: or perhaps, squatted and you could definitely, see you, know
Speaker 4: about eighteen inch impression in the grass where something had
Speaker 4: stood with one foot you, know maybe six inches away
Speaker 4: from the other foot and it was looking in the
Speaker 4: direction of those. Deer so that was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Too it was standing right by a tree and just two,
Speaker 3: different two different, footprints you, know just smashing the grass.
Speaker 3: Down you can definitely see. That so the next the
Speaker 3: next thing that happened, was you, know the next, day
Speaker 3: we were just relaxing in midday in our hammocks and
Speaker 3: by this time we're, Thinking, okay are these Hoots nimi
Speaker 3: being or not and so we're starting to wonder what that.
Speaker 3: Is so then mid mid after, me we're just resting
Speaker 3: in our, hammocks all of a sudden we hear inspired
Speaker 3: about thirty feet away up on the ridge behind our.
Speaker 3: Camp we hear this, whoo you, know and we look
Speaker 3: at each other and, go that is. Close so we
Speaker 3: grabbed our gear and grab my, camera grab our, gear you,
Speaker 3: know and started heading up to the ridge behind our,
Speaker 3: camp thinking we're going to see something and find. Something
Speaker 3: and it's, close AND i turned my camera. On i'm
Speaker 3: trying To we're not, running we're walking. Slow we're trying
Speaker 3: to catch. Something and then follow this and we start
Speaker 3: following this trail and we'd see these big prints in
Speaker 3: the side of this ridge and we have pictures of
Speaker 3: these big. Prints they're all about sixteen inches. Long and
Speaker 3: we're following this up this. Ridge when we go and
Speaker 3: as we're going, along all of a, sudden often to
Speaker 3: the other direction from where we had seen THE x.
Speaker 3: Direction across the road on the other side of the,
Speaker 3: road we hear these three distinct, whoops you, know not
Speaker 3: not hoots every, day who whoo. Whoops And i'd turn
Speaker 3: A curtis AND i, go we're not we're not. Moving
Speaker 3: we're going where we're going Because i'm not getting distracted
Speaker 3: and called in a different direction because this thing is
Speaker 3: this direction from where we were. Going and he, agreed
Speaker 3: and we you, know we kept, going and not too
Speaker 3: long after, that my battery. Died it was, like what the?
Speaker 4: Heck this is a fully charged.
Speaker 3: Battery you, know it's going, out you know within you,
Speaker 3: know just a few minutes of the time that we're
Speaker 3: up here, videotaping AND i hadn't grabbed an extra. BATTERY
Speaker 3: i didn't think he was going to. Die could have
Speaker 3: been fully. Charged but who knows why why that, happens you,
Speaker 3: know with. That but on the way, BACK i had
Speaker 3: noticed a wet, area you, know on the way, back
Speaker 3: SO i kept that in my mind before we are,
Speaker 3: gone AND i don't know if you had anything to
Speaker 3: say on that, perspective we had started walking through some other.
Speaker 4: Areas, Yeah so we also founded a teepee structure when
Speaker 4: we were following those hoots up the. Ridge it was
Speaker 4: probably five branches that came together at a, point probably
Speaker 4: twenty feet. Tall so so here behind our camp there
Speaker 4: was AN x maybe one hundred yards directly by our,
Speaker 4: camp and then off more towards THE i guess it
Speaker 4: would be, north maybe one hundred and fifty yards from THAT.
Speaker 4: Ax we found a tepee, structure but we didn't really
Speaker 4: find much the next, day And david's actually looked at
Speaker 4: his video of that little marsh that he saw and
Speaker 4: there was nothing in the. Marsh that. Evening the next
Speaker 4: morning was our last full day. There we both got
Speaker 4: up and decided to walk down to the bathroom about seven,
Speaker 4: am And david went into the, bathroom AND i didn't
Speaker 4: want to just stand there while he was going to the,
Speaker 4: bathroom SO i decided to walk out to the road
Speaker 4: AND i kind of walked past that guy's trailer that
Speaker 4: we talked, about who had been there the whole time
Speaker 4: we were, There and WHEN i walked, by he was
Speaker 4: inside his, trailer and in the four or five days
Speaker 4: we had been, there we had seen him pretty much
Speaker 4: every day and waved at, him said, hi and he
Speaker 4: was walking his dog in the. Meadow he'd say hi to.
Speaker 4: Us we really didn't talk to, him but you, know
Speaker 4: we were cordial with, him and he was cordial with.
Speaker 4: Us SO i kind of walked down the main road
Speaker 4: and cut back through the. Campground and he was the
Speaker 4: only one in this dispersed camp, area and he'd been
Speaker 4: there the whole. Week and WHEN i came back up
Speaker 4: maybe two minutes, later he was outside looking around his
Speaker 4: trailer and instead of saying, hi this, time he, goes
Speaker 4: where's your? Buddy what's he? Wearing you, Know i'm thinking to,
Speaker 4: Myself i'm a. GUY i don't know what my buddy is.
Speaker 4: Going BUT i said. Why he, goes, well was he
Speaker 4: dressed in tan from head to? Toe AND i, said,
Speaker 4: NO i don't think. So and he's still in the.
Speaker 4: Bathroom what's going? On and he, said, WELL i heard
Speaker 4: you guys walking down to the, bathroom AND i saw
Speaker 4: you walk.
Speaker 3: Up to the.
Speaker 4: Road AND i sat down in my chair and about
Speaker 4: ten seconds after you walked up to the, road my
Speaker 4: dog is at the, door barking and scratching and trying
Speaker 4: to get. Out and he wouldn't follow any, commands and
Speaker 4: he never does, that and so after about fifteen seconds
Speaker 4: of him scratching at his, door the guy got up and.
Speaker 4: Looked he said he was expecting to see one of
Speaker 4: us in his, camp which we would have never. Done
Speaker 4: we're not going to walk into somebody's camp at seven
Speaker 4: in the. Morning but, anyway that's what he, expected and
Speaker 4: that's why he asked What david was, wearing and he,
Speaker 4: said from the creek to the, road he saw something
Speaker 4: big and. Tan from head To toehoh walk that whole. Distance,
Speaker 4: now the thing you have to realize is this is
Speaker 4: still a forested, area so it's kind of like you
Speaker 4: might see it for a second and then not see
Speaker 4: it for three or four, seconds and then see a
Speaker 4: glimpse of it, again and then you, know not see,
Speaker 4: it and then another, glimpse and in ten seconds it
Speaker 4: was across the. Road so he saw something big and.
Speaker 4: Tan walk from from the wilderness area across the creek
Speaker 4: and up to the, road and you, Know david gets
Speaker 4: out of the bathroom and we all look. Around didn't
Speaker 4: really find anything at the, time and so we started
Speaker 4: talking to the guy and he, said you, Know i've
Speaker 4: been here the whole, week like you guys, have And
Speaker 4: I've i've heard some really strange. Things i've, heard you,
Speaker 4: know sounds at, night and he basically verified the samurai
Speaker 4: chatter from the couple nights. Before he didn't really hear the,
Speaker 4: chatter but whatever had made the noise woke him up
Speaker 4: the same time That david heard the. Chatter he said
Speaker 4: he's heard wood, knocks he heard a tree get knocked,
Speaker 4: over and then he looked At david AND i and he,
Speaker 4: SAID i THINK i just Saw. Bigfoot and you, know
Speaker 4: there was no one else in the. Campground david AND
Speaker 4: i were the only other. HUMANS i was, down you,
Speaker 4: know down the road maybe one hundred, yards And david
Speaker 4: was in the bathroom and something came out of the,
Speaker 4: wilderness locked between his trailer and the bathroom and locked
Speaker 4: up the. Road so that was pretty. Interesting and then
Speaker 4: that late, Afternoon david had an idea thinking back to
Speaker 4: what we had done In, california and it was sort
Speaker 4: of our last thing In washington that we that we checked.
Speaker 3: Out SO i remember that WHEN i noted that wet
Speaker 3: area up when we were going up with my camera
Speaker 3: on that, ridge AND i Told, CURTISON i don't want
Speaker 3: to leave without going and checking this. Out it's a
Speaker 3: trap track or a track, trap THEN i want to
Speaker 3: go check it, out or Else i'm going to always.
Speaker 3: Want so we went back up there and we're walking
Speaker 3: along and looking and we come around the corner and
Speaker 3: here are two footprints in the mud THAT i, go,
Speaker 3: wow look at. That and we go over there and
Speaker 3: we start we measure them and they're sixteen and a
Speaker 3: half inches long and the stride was forty eight to
Speaker 3: fifty two, inches you, know for the next, step and they,
Speaker 3: go this is, amazing and they're. Wide we definitely see
Speaker 3: some toes on. There it was in the wet wetness
Speaker 3: if it wasn't like deep water or, anything but they
Speaker 3: were definitely, visible and we got pictures of, those and
Speaker 3: we then we look around and we start, saying, okay
Speaker 3: where'd they come? From and we started looking back and
Speaker 3: where it got actually more more, wet and there was
Speaker 3: actually water in this kind of creek deep type marsh.
Speaker 3: Area we could see all the water was covered with
Speaker 3: the pine beetles they had fallen on the water and
Speaker 3: it was just still water and you could see these
Speaker 3: areas of steps where there was no pine. Needles and
Speaker 3: we followed it back and they were all about the
Speaker 3: same you, know distance of, stride and we kept falling
Speaker 3: it back and you lean about one hundred yards further
Speaker 3: in that, direction and we found a by a, tree
Speaker 3: kind of on the uphills. Slant we found this, again
Speaker 3: a sixteen and a half inch footprint with toes and.
Speaker 3: Stuff we couldn't it was on a, hill so we
Speaker 3: didn't weren't able to cast, that and we weren't able
Speaker 3: to cast the ones in the mud because it was
Speaker 3: how wet it. Was but we took, pictures measured, it
Speaker 3: and stopped the interesting, later like herdis, SAID i went
Speaker 3: back to my video recorder and we had walked by
Speaker 3: that area the day before WHEN i was chasing that,
Speaker 3: food AND i DIDN'T i couldn't see those footprints in
Speaker 3: that same you know swap the day. Before so in
Speaker 3: retrospect that it was interesting that we were showing that
Speaker 3: something had walked up that, night you, know through that wet.
Speaker 4: Area and we talked earlier what makes the sixteen and
Speaker 4: a half inch. FOOT i was a math major in,
Speaker 4: college so numbers just intrigued. Me and a sixteen and
Speaker 4: a half inch, foot which is What david found in a,
Speaker 4: human equates essentially to a seven foot tall. Person shaquille
Speaker 4: O'Neill's foot is sixteen and a half inches and he
Speaker 4: wears a size twenty two. Shoe and to put that in,
Speaker 4: perspective you know how many people are seven feet, tall
Speaker 4: and it's basically one person per quarter million, people so
Speaker 4: it's pretty. Rare and THEN i knew that in, orthopedics
Speaker 4: which is my, specialty we have gaate analysis, studies and
Speaker 4: SO i went to the formula used to kind of
Speaker 4: match step length to, height And david had measured forty
Speaker 4: eight to fifty two inches between these four steps through that,
Speaker 4: marsh and just using the lowest, number if you equate
Speaker 4: that to a human human stride is usually about thirty
Speaker 4: three thirty four. Inches for a six foot tall person
Speaker 4: to have a forty eight inch, stride you have to
Speaker 4: be nine feet six inches tall if you're a. Human
Speaker 4: and then you, know to put that in, PERSPECTIVE i then, said,
Speaker 4: well is there even a nine foot tall person? Alive
Speaker 4: and the tallest person in known written history was like
Speaker 4: eight feet ten, inches so there's never in least recent
Speaker 4: history been anybody nine feet tall or. Bigger so although
Speaker 4: we never again Saw bigfoot on this trip or anything like.
Speaker 4: That and Like david had said About, california we never smelled,
Speaker 4: anything you, know we Heard david heard samurai, sound and
Speaker 4: we found extra large footprints with toes that equate to
Speaker 4: a giant if they were a. Human so the chances
Speaker 4: of it being human are. Infinitesimal, really SO i think
Speaker 4: we're both in the in the the camp now That
Speaker 4: bigfoot was there In washington when we were.
Speaker 2: There, guys this is this is a wild a. COW i, mean.
Speaker 1: Are you guys playing on maybe going back there? Someday
Speaker 1: if if this is, ME i would be already, Like,
Speaker 1: Okay i'm going back to this area or.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you don't want.
Speaker 1: To it did get a little Intense, saturday we're Going.
Speaker 3: Saturday we're leaving Leaving saturday With saturdays.
Speaker 4: And you know it's a different time of the, year
Speaker 4: but we're go On. Saturday and then we're also planning
Speaker 4: and going back again at the end Of august in
Speaker 4: case there's some kind of migrational thing and we don't
Speaker 4: find anything in in you, know next. Week so, yes
Speaker 4: we're we're definitely going back To washington at least two more.
Speaker 4: Times oh, wow.
Speaker 1: Is this still going to be the two of you
Speaker 1: or are any Plans are there any local researchers to the.
Speaker 2: Area i'm trying to.
Speaker 4: Think, so, yeah there are the one that we talked, about,
Speaker 4: uh that we'd watched his. Videos he's going to meet
Speaker 4: up with us. There his name Is Will. Holmer and
Speaker 4: Then jonathan And Sarah brown heard our story And jonathan called.
Speaker 4: Me he actually called me WHEN i was In, ANTARCTICA
Speaker 4: i believe it or. NOT i was on a cruise
Speaker 4: ship down In antarctica and he woke me up at
Speaker 4: like two in the morning and he, said, hey are
Speaker 4: you guys available In june to go up? Again so
Speaker 4: we're Meeting, John nathan And Sarah brown and this Will
Speaker 4: homer In. June now when we go back In, august
Speaker 4: we're just planning on going the two of us.
Speaker 3: Here our wives are going with. Us this, fine they
Speaker 3: want to go up on this, trip so we're we're
Speaker 3: taking them those.
Speaker 2: Bait you, Laugh BUT i mean we all we all
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 3: They like they like.
Speaker 2: Women, yeah when when.
Speaker 1: The female side is, introduced some really weird things can.
Speaker 2: Happen, RIGHT i mean.
Speaker 4: Definitely, Yeah so this next week there'll be at Least
Speaker 4: Sarah brown and then our two, Wives so hopefully that
Speaker 4: will attract.
Speaker 3: Something.
Speaker 1: Wow, Man so The browns is so, GOOD i. AM
Speaker 1: i would assume they're they're going to be documenting uh
Speaker 1: that as.
Speaker 2: Well they plan on.
Speaker 4: It they want to See jonathan heard heard about our
Speaker 4: story AND i talked to him on the phone for
Speaker 4: an hour or, so and he he wants to go
Speaker 4: see all these, things like THE. X i, mean THE
Speaker 4: x should still be, there you, know it's just you,
Speaker 4: know what are we eight months? Ago THE x should
Speaker 4: still be there and you should be able to see
Speaker 4: the twisted bottom of the. Tree and obviously the footprints
Speaker 4: won't be, there but they can at least see the.
Speaker 4: Area and Then Will Will homer is one of the
Speaker 4: local guys and he's going to be. There he's had
Speaker 4: a lot of experience more down in the campground. AREA
Speaker 4: i don't believe he is actually camped up In Gypsy,
Speaker 4: meadows but he said he wanted to join, us join
Speaker 4: us and see if we can find anything that's.
Speaker 1: Awesome you, know it'd be great to. See i'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of Their Salish sasquatch. Channel they do a great. Job,
Speaker 1: yeah so it'll be cool to see what they are
Speaker 1: able to. Document but also the other guy is that
Speaker 1: the man fifty eight. Channel, yes, yes, yeah, okay, okay
Speaker 1: THAT'S i was, like this sounds really. Familiar THE i
Speaker 1: was looking through the pictures you sent while you guys were,
Speaker 1: talking and that that picture of THE x is absolutely it's,
Speaker 1: incredible just the way that it. Is it's really. Woven
Speaker 1: and if you guys are cool, that LIKE i can
Speaker 1: CAN i put that in the speed?
Speaker 3: Version? Yeah, yeah you could post any. Anything i've sent
Speaker 3: you all the pictures of the prints and all that,
Speaker 3: too so thank.
Speaker 4: You, well it's it's it's a perfectly SYMMETRICAL. X, Yeah
Speaker 4: and both branches are wedged in between two standing trees
Speaker 4: that are only about six feet apart those two, trees
Speaker 4: and the space there wedged in is probably only a.
Speaker 4: Foot and, then Like david, said the one, tree it's
Speaker 4: rootball had been pushed, up but the other tree is
Speaker 4: twisted at the, Base so you, know you think could
Speaker 4: the one fall that? Way, sure BUT i don't know
Speaker 4: unless there was a, tornado how one the other tree would.
Speaker 4: Twist and of course if there was a, tornado the
Speaker 4: other trees around would be gone, Too SO i mean
Speaker 4: it just it is an AMAZING x. Structure there's no.
Speaker 1: Doubt it's probably one of the best ones That i've seen,
Speaker 1: It like it is so good That i'm, like, man
Speaker 1: it's just like this is a screen cap from like
Speaker 1: The Todds standing documentary that look is?
Speaker 3: That but.
Speaker 1: Like look through the metadata of the. PHOTO i was, Like,
Speaker 1: oh it's the it's right. There LIKE i looked up
Speaker 1: the when you take a photo with an, iPhone it
Speaker 1: captures the metadata and you can look up the you,
Speaker 1: know the location on.
Speaker 2: IT i was, Like, oh it's right where they're saying it, is.
Speaker 4: And Like, david Like david, said it's probably the only
Speaker 4: one hundred yards behind where Were and the crazy thing
Speaker 4: is it was probably thirty more yards to the road
Speaker 4: or forty more yards from the. ROAD i couldn't see,
Speaker 4: it LIKE i, SAID i was looking in from the
Speaker 4: road WHEN i marked the, trail and from a camp
Speaker 4: you can't see. It you only see it when you
Speaker 4: get MAYBE i don't, know what would you, say twenty
Speaker 4: yards from, It? David? Maybe or thirty yards.
Speaker 3: From, it, YEAH i mean if you or we're walking.
Speaker 3: Up we didn't see it till we got you, know
Speaker 3: we're coming up at hill when we're work than, that
Speaker 3: but if you're coming in from the, road you wouldn't
Speaker 3: get it until it inside the tree, line, Right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, incredible the, uh the uh hooting weird sounds that
Speaker 1: you were Hearing at any point did it sound, like you,
Speaker 1: know you would hear the who and then at the
Speaker 1: end of, it would it sound like it was something
Speaker 1: that was messing it up or didn't really know how
Speaker 1: to finish the, sound or like it didn't do the
Speaker 1: normal owl sound correct at the.
Speaker 2: End was there anything like that at?
Speaker 4: All that's WHAT i interpreted it as is it had
Speaker 4: been it had been mimic you.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 4: AGAIN I i Messaged Chris. Spencer he he hasn't heard
Speaker 4: of anything mimicking owls AND i respect his, work you, know.
Speaker 4: Immensely And sarah And jonathan have the the recording and
Speaker 4: they said that they would send it To. CHRIS i
Speaker 4: don't know if he's looked at it or listen to,
Speaker 4: it but it sounded to me like at first something
Speaker 4: was pretty well mimicking the. Owl but then like, again
Speaker 4: LIKE i, Said i'm sort of putting human characteristics on this.
Speaker 4: Sound after a couple of, minutes it was getting louder
Speaker 4: and the hoots became, quicker and as they became, quicker
Speaker 4: they sort of degraded into a. Whoop, so you, KNOW
Speaker 4: i guess it's almost as if it couldn't keep up
Speaker 4: the perfect. Mimicking if it was mimicking an owl and
Speaker 4: then resorted to we've all heard whoops being described or
Speaker 4: heard heard recordings of, Woops so that's sort of HOW i. Interpreted,
Speaker 4: obviously my interpretation could be.
Speaker 3: Wrong you.
Speaker 4: Know the other, option LIKE i, said is if the
Speaker 4: owl was making most of that first you, know minute
Speaker 4: and a, half two minutes of that, hooting you, know
Speaker 4: maybe the loop was only to come at the end
Speaker 4: of the hooting to sort of mix in and kind
Speaker 4: of confuse anything. ELSE i, MEAN i look at those
Speaker 4: as the two. Options and either, way whether it is
Speaker 4: mimicking and then just degrades after a couple of, minutes
Speaker 4: or whether it just adds it on that takes intelligence to,
Speaker 4: do you, know either, Way.
Speaker 3: AND i don't know. HOW i just don't know how
Speaker 3: you could go from the owl ooting to heal there
Speaker 3: oh la la la la la la, la and then
Speaker 3: back to outing as you're moving across the. Forest so even.
Speaker 4: Even you, know if my other, explanations and even If
Speaker 4: Chris spencer is, corrected he hasn't Heard owl's being. Mimicked
Speaker 4: that still doesn't explain The sierra sounds That david definitely,
Speaker 4: heard and you, know the the other camper heard as
Speaker 4: he verified the next morning.
Speaker 1: Exactly AND i think that's a that's a great way
Speaker 1: to put that because it is a unique account where
Speaker 1: you have the other campers and then you have the
Speaker 1: gentleman in the trailer that had.
Speaker 2: The visual as. Well it's just it's a really really cool.
Speaker 1: ACCOUNT i can't wait to, see you, know what happens
Speaker 1: when you guys go, back and it's very.
Speaker 3: Cool, yeah we can't.
Speaker 4: Either.
Speaker 2: Man that's a that's a that's a wild drive for you,
Speaker 2: though isn't he tell me about?
Speaker 4: It? Yeah, Yeah SO i have to fly From phoenix
Speaker 4: To sacramento and then it's like a forty narrow drive from,
Speaker 4: There david or something like.
Speaker 3: That, yeah well we'll drive up probably, halfway stayed, somewhere
Speaker 3: and then finish it.
Speaker 4: Off but like you, said with with what we've in
Speaker 4: no no putting down what we found In, california we
Speaker 4: definitely have have the fever after what we found In,
Speaker 4: washington and it's worth the drive up.
Speaker 1: There oh, yeah, Absolutely AND i definitely understand that neither
Speaker 1: of you had had the, visual but you're just extremely extremely.
Speaker 2: Close it's, yeah it just it gets. YOU i totally
Speaker 2: totally get. It and SO i would assume that you
Speaker 2: guys are Both.
Speaker 1: The needles probably moved away after that last, account will?
Speaker 3: It you, SAY i don't think the needle can. Move Let's,
Speaker 3: Troy yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah and LIKE i, Said i'm a math, herd and
Speaker 4: in my, Mind i've Done i've done the probability of
Speaker 4: having a seven foot tall or greater person running one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty yards through the forest at, night in the, dark,
Speaker 4: barefoot in a light, rain across, terrain and traveling that
Speaker 4: distance in twenty or so. Seconds i've done the math
Speaker 4: and it is. Infinitesimal, literally it's greater than one in
Speaker 4: fifty million chants that that could have been a human
Speaker 4: that ran across that guy's camp that. Night you, KNOW
Speaker 4: i know that sounds, crazy BUT i am a numbers.
Speaker 4: GUY i think in, numbers and it is just almost
Speaker 4: impossible for any of that to have been a. Human
Speaker 4: and what other animal can can, speak you, Know Samurai,
Speaker 4: cheddar it's. Tuff, yeah that's that's the so we're we're
Speaker 4: pretty convinced now if you're, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely is it a? Thing where.
Speaker 1: Are you are you prepared to potentially have a sighting.
Speaker 3: When you go back in just a few days?
Speaker 2: Potentially that's an interesting.
Speaker 3: Question so let's Not i've heard about, that SO i
Speaker 3: wouldn't take the people always ask me what are you
Speaker 3: going to do when, you you, know see one or
Speaker 3: need one type. Thing and one of the things that
Speaker 3: that just hit me over the last month or, two
Speaker 3: just to go back to my interest in The indians and,
Speaker 3: stuff is THAT i would like to try to, communicate if,
Speaker 3: possible you, know with these, things And i'm trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how to do. That and my one thought came,
Speaker 3: up if these guys have been around for so long
Speaker 3: and Around indian tribes and they've all you, know Other
Speaker 3: indians used to you, know tribes used to actually trade with,
Speaker 3: them or you, know they they felt that they were
Speaker 3: the keepers of the forest they, kept you, know they
Speaker 3: were like another tribe of people out. There AND i
Speaker 3: believe these are intelligent, beings AND i think they're as
Speaker 3: so intelligent as we. Are they're a lot more knowledgeable
Speaker 3: of nature than we. Are but my thought came, as
Speaker 3: how About Native american sign? Language, yeah maybe that was
Speaker 3: passed on in their, generation if they were. POSSIBLE i
Speaker 3: think they've observed people and they can pick up on
Speaker 3: things and. Stuff but it was interesting thought for me
Speaker 3: that The Native american sign language might be something that
Speaker 3: would be passed down their generations and. Stuff So i've
Speaker 3: been trying to learn some of that in, case you,
Speaker 3: know that was you, know one of my things and.
Speaker 3: Stuff So i'm trying to prepare for that for if that.
Speaker 3: Happens it's all going to be on how aggressive they
Speaker 3: are or how willing they're. Doing But i've been trying
Speaker 3: to learn some of that information in the case of
Speaker 3: what might be what.
Speaker 4: Happens and When david brought that up to me last,
Speaker 4: week you, know that idea popped into his. HEAD i
Speaker 4: started looking up the native tribes that were in the
Speaker 4: area in Northeast, washington and The Colville indians were, there
Speaker 4: and SO i tried to look up if they had
Speaker 4: a spoken, language And I've i've looked up the word
Speaker 4: for peace and the word for, friend so we we
Speaker 4: have those two words that we haven't spoken. Language And
Speaker 4: david's been learning sign, language and then it'll be interesting
Speaker 4: to have you, Know Jonathan brown, there who you know
Speaker 4: lives on An indian reservation and see what his thoughts
Speaker 4: are regarding.
Speaker 1: The the sign language thing has actually come up in
Speaker 1: a few interviews That i've, done taking scifically of the
Speaker 1: the CHAT i had with With ernie From Western massachusetts
Speaker 1: where there was some SIGN I ridge involved with that.
Speaker 1: One also there's some, guy there's at least one Gentleman
Speaker 1: i've talked to off record where he, yeah that is
Speaker 1: that is a part of it where sign language seems
Speaker 1: to be. Effective SO i would say you're probably on
Speaker 1: the right track, There. David is there a resource that
Speaker 1: you found where you know you're looking?
Speaker 3: Up there's a two to. THINGS i got two different
Speaker 3: books on. It they weren't doing exactly WHAT i was.
Speaker 3: LIKING i found a YouTube channel that is that's been
Speaker 3: more help for me in where they have than the
Speaker 3: Old Native american talking to somebody and he's using his
Speaker 3: hands and explaining the. Language because there's more to it
Speaker 3: than just learn a certain. Day that's the expressions and
Speaker 3: how you do it with. It So i've been kind
Speaker 3: of going through that trying to you, know that's been
Speaker 3: more helpful to me going and looking at that that
Speaker 3: old guy Talking clinton's hands and he speaks that he
Speaker 3: talked of the same. Time so that's been. Interesting that's.
Speaker 1: Awesome AND i, think you, know just from talking to
Speaker 1: you guys for for a little, bit it it sounds
Speaker 1: What i'm getting is you guys definitely have the right you,
Speaker 1: know intention and the right motivation and all. This AND
Speaker 1: i don't know how you guys feel about all, that
Speaker 1: BUT i have found from talking to hundreds of people
Speaker 1: and also being in the field with a few different,
Speaker 1: people that that definitely does play into. It is how
Speaker 1: how the person is when they go into the field
Speaker 1: and why they're, there and do they have a positive
Speaker 1: intent or negative? Intent that play into. Us SO i
Speaker 1: think you guys are are on on the right trails
Speaker 1: there as, well Unless i'm totally off base with, that
Speaker 1: BUT i don't THINK i.
Speaker 3: Am.
Speaker 4: NO i think we kind of went into it at
Speaker 4: the beginning with curiosity and, yeah and now we're we're
Speaker 4: even more curious even though we've learned a lot and, uh,
Speaker 4: yeah we're we're we definitely want to we want to.
Speaker 4: Know we think we know pretty, sure we, know but
Speaker 4: we want to, know, uh and obviously we we'd we're
Speaker 4: not there to, hunt we're not there to do. Anything
Speaker 4: we just at first sort of did this as a.
Speaker 4: Fluke but now, now, uh now we're.
Speaker 3: Hooked. BASICALLY i appreciate your input on that BECAUSE i
Speaker 3: hadn't heard anything about like gunion sign. Language but it's
Speaker 3: good to know that that's. Uh that just makes me
Speaker 3: want to continue that that that process THAT i hadn't
Speaker 3: heard about any got in the Corporate.
Speaker 1: Well david And curse has been just a really fun
Speaker 1: chat with you. GUYS i want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you were able to share everything that you had wanted
Speaker 1: to share on the show.
Speaker 2: TONIGHT i think the only other thing.
Speaker 4: One other, time and this is just a small. Finding
Speaker 4: we were hiking in the wilderness across the creek and
Speaker 4: we Came we're literally in the middle of nowhere and
Speaker 4: there are no human trails, around and we came across
Speaker 4: this about five foot stump of this, big huge tree
Speaker 4: and on top of this tree. Mushroom stump was a fresh.
Speaker 4: Mushroom so, this, YEAH i forgot about that.
Speaker 3: Thing, yeah the mushroom is it's like head almost head,
Speaker 3: high AND i look at it And i'm, going what
Speaker 3: is that. Doing it's laying, sideways AND i was, thinking,
Speaker 3: well maybe it's growing out, there AND i went over
Speaker 3: and it picked it, up and it was. Not it
Speaker 3: was set there on top of this stump in that particular,
Speaker 3: place and it was a fresh month mush and it
Speaker 3: wasn't dried. Up it was like brand, new fresh. Month
Speaker 3: it could have been growing, there but it was. Not
Speaker 3: it was not. Attached so something had placed this mush
Speaker 3: in the middle of the wilderness that we were hiking
Speaker 3: on top of this.
Speaker 4: Stump and if we're to believe that that night That
Speaker 4: david heard them travel from across the wilderness or across
Speaker 4: the creek from the wilderness up to that other, ridge
Speaker 4: that is the direction they came. From so that was
Speaker 4: the only other thing that we saw or heard that
Speaker 4: we didn't really talk. About so thanks for letting us
Speaker 4: add that at the end.
Speaker 1: Here, absolutely you, KNOW i would, say definitely keep in, touch.
Speaker 1: Guys it'll be it'll be interesting to see what, happens you,
Speaker 1: know in just a few, days but also later on
Speaker 1: in the, summer and you, KNOW i, HOPE.
Speaker 2: I hope some really cool stuff.
Speaker 1: Happens maybe you guys get freaked out a little, bit
Speaker 1: maybe not too, much but you, KNOW i hope it
Speaker 1: all goes well for.
Speaker 3: You so that was.
Speaker 4: Well even if it, Doesn't i'll be camping with my.
Speaker 4: Buddy so that's that's what counts.
Speaker 3: That there you, Go there you.
Speaker 1: Go but we have, big great. Mill we got the
Speaker 1: wives up there you. Go, well thank, You thank you
Speaker 1: both for coming on the show. TONIGHT i appreciate coming.
Speaker 1: On Curis david all, right thank, You jeremiah.
Speaker 4: Start.
Speaker 6: Hi my name Is Phyllis. Barnett i'm sixty one years.
Speaker 6: OLD i was about it's been about seventeen. YEARS i
Speaker 6: THINK i was going Through. OREGON i was visiting family
Speaker 6: AND i was heading home and it was a little
Speaker 6: after eight am in the, morning AND i stopped to
Speaker 6: look at the view coming out To, orville AND i
Speaker 6: think it Was, ORVILLE i, KNOW i was not too
Speaker 6: far From. Trinidad AND i saw two bigfoots coming out
Speaker 6: of the. Water one was down in the water and
Speaker 6: turned and looked at, me and the other one stood
Speaker 6: up and turned and looked at me and started walking towards.
Speaker 6: ME i was about ten feet from me or, so
Speaker 6: AND i got a real good look at it And
Speaker 6: it scared the out of, me AND i didn't know
Speaker 6: WHAT i was looking. AT i remembered seeing photos of
Speaker 6: bigfoot and, stuff and it looked like a bigfoot and no,
Speaker 6: doubt AND i had nightmares for weeks after. That he
Speaker 6: must have been about eight nine feet.
Speaker 3: Tall he was.
Speaker 6: Humongous LIKE i, SAID i wasn't too far away from.
Speaker 6: HIM i now live In washington And Pierce, county and
Speaker 6: my son was out hiking and took some video and
Speaker 6: we're pretty sure he found a bigfoot nest over By Mount.
Speaker 6: Raynier we live about thirty miles twenty thirty miles From
Speaker 6: Mount rainier now And i'm hoping to see one. Again
Speaker 6: but it did scare me to, death AND i ran
Speaker 6: to my car and. LEFT i had a, camera BUT
Speaker 6: i was so SCARED i just. Left thank you for. Listening.
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