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Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the

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days of the KTPF radio show, their own radio show

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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for

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over the three hours. I joined them in the last

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eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys

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felt they've just about had enough. It was a monumental

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effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It

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was a wonderful show, but unfortunately they no longer involved

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and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.

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So I thought it would be nice to bring them

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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the

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guy has conducted over those four years and include some

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of the most interesting people within the world of the

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paranormal and some not so well known, but it's nevertheless

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still very interesting. We even have one or two rather

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unusual shows, including a live salance and other things along

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those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this

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is the KEYTPF for Reload show. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: This program deals with themes of an adult nature and

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is intended for a mature audience. You're in the right place, online,

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on the web and on air all over the world

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talk radio. You hear us, We hear you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Gilleen, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another edition

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of the KTPF Community Talk Show. My name is sus

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Anne and we're here keeping the paranormal friendly. But as

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I said, are we asked strict for time tonight, so

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up until after the interview with mister Danagan. He is

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a man that we never thought we'd get on the show,

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but he's quatiously accepted. The Swiss author best known for

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his controversial work linking extraterrestrial influences to early human culture

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with books such a Charits of the Gods, Danakan is

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one of the main figures responsible for popularizing the paleo

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contact an ancient astronaut hypothesis. So we'll be talking to

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him soon, right, ladies and gentlemen, We're back here now

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on the KTPF Community Talk Show with Eric von Danakan

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means sir, everybody okay, and I hope everyone can hear

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you okay, So whereabouts are you at the moment? Where

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are you? Where are you?

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Speaker 2: I am sitting in Switzerland, in the high out in

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the mountains. We are in the Bernese oper lunch.

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Speaker 3: Oh this sounds good. Okay, So for those that have

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never heard of you, mister Eric, please, could you tell

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us a little bit about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, in the meantime, I'm nearly eighty each all yes,

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In nineteen sixty eight, long time ago, with a book

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called Chariots of the Gods, and Chariots of the Gods

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was first the best seller in Germany, in Switzerland and

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then around the world. And in Chariots of the Gods,

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I said, some thousands of years ago, in the deep past,

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when our forefathers were Stone Age people, some extraterrestlers arrived

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here on our planet. Now, our Stone Age people could

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not understand what was going on, so they believed that

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these extraterrestrials must be some kind of gods. Of course,

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in reality, there are no gods, but our Stone Age

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people believed that the eaties were gods. And that's how

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it all started. Mythology, religions and all kinds of mysterious things.

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Speaker 3: Well, we had a question from Andy in our chat room,

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and he was wondering, what was the first thing you

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noticed that first suggested that it had alien visitation.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was educated as a strict cat in a

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boarding school in Switzerland, and there we had to make

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translations from part of the Bible, from Latin to Greek

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and Greek to German. Now you have to understand, when

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I was a boy, around sixteen years old, I was

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a deep believer in God. In the meantime, by the way,

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I still believe in God. I'm still one of those

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people who praise every evening. But my God of my

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youth had to have a few minimum qualities. For example,

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God makes no mistakes, or God would never use a

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vehicle in which to move around from point A to

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point B. God is all over. Or of course, of

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course God does not lie, and God is out of time.

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God does not have to make an experience and then

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has to wait what the result will be. He should

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know it the advance. So this was what I thought

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when I was young about God. Now we made translations

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of the Bible, and I learned in the Bible that

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God had none of these qualities. God used the vehicle

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in which to move around from point A to point B.

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He was not out of time. So I simply I

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had doubts in my own education, in my religious education,

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and I wanted to find out if others, communities and

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antiquity they have similar stories as we have them in

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the Christian world. And that's how old it started. All

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So the beginning was the Bible. The beginning was doubts

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in my own education.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, So you basically, as you say, you published

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a book in nineteen sixty eight which was many copies

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and I was am I right thinking? It was translated

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into twenty eight languages, that's correct, yes, okay. Now there

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was a lot of criticism about the book, with a

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lot of accusations to say that you made some of

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the stories up. You were called a black swemer, Charlattan,

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even the Antichrist itself at one point by religious people.

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Do you know why this was and how did this

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make you feel?

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Speaker 2: Well? Of course, in the beginning, when I was young,

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and all these critics made me very very mad, But

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that was really when I was young. In the meantime,

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I really don't care anymore. And of course, most of

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these critics were absolutely wrong. I am neither an anti Christ.

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I am neither a person who is against God, so

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to say an eighties. Of course, I made none of

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these stories up. Everyone can control what is in chariots

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of the gods. So all these acquisitions were in fact wrong.

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Speaker 3: So do you still believe that humankind basically originated on

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this planet by a successful intervention?

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Speaker 2: Now we have evolution? Definitely? I believe in the story

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of Darwin moral less. We are the product of evolution

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in the in the beginning, in the very very beginning,

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and there I mean some millions and millions and millions

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of years ago, life on Earth started because it was

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brought from outside. You see, the first molecule, what we

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call the DNA, was coming from outside because it was

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not the product of evolution. And later in the long

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course of evolution, there were mixture between some extra terrestrials

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and between our humans, and at least in mythology and

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in religion.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Well, we've got one of your biggest fans

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in hub with us at the moment, and I think

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he's got some questions for you, haven't you call.

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Speaker 4: Good evening?

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Speaker 2: Eric? Helloing?

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Speaker 4: After the publicers and publication of the book. Being it's

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over like forty eight forty seven years now, have you

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had to change some of your thinking or some of

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the questions that you actually asked in the book because

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of new evidence have come forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an evidending story. Since Chariots of the Gods,

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I have published thirty three continuation books, and of course

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in every book I try to bring more indications to

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support the case. Indications from archaeology, indications from mythology, indications

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from religion. So really I could come up with hundreds

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of examples. What is new since Chariots of the Gods?

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, right, Well, we have another question for you

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from the chat room, Andy, again is what makes you

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feel sorry? What do you feel is the best proof

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of alien visitation?

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Speaker 2: We have to differentiate between the optical proof, I mean

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hard facts, and between proof out of the old holy writings. First,

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the hard facts. In Mexico, there is a place called Lenka,

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and in Palenki is a pyramid that is called the

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Temple of Inscription, and deep down under the Temple of Inscriptions.

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Rutz discovered a secret tomb. The tomb was covered with

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a big slab. I mean big. It's two point eight

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meter large and three point eight meter long, but quite

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a big. One stone one stone block. And on this

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stone block you see an engraving. You see a man.

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almost like a rising motorcyclist. He has something like a

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musk on his nose, and he clearly uses his two

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hands to manipulate some controls. He's sitting on a chair

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and the heel of his left foot is in a

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kind of pedal. Now outside the frame in which he

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is sitting, you see something like a linking flam Now optically,

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this is a very good indication. Of course, archaeology has

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always seen this picture from a different point of view.

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In the beginning, archaeologist said, well, it simply represents a

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ruler with the name of Pakal, and this is true.

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the city of Palenki. And in archaeology they said Pakal

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is falling into the open mouth of a monster. So

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he's falling into the earth, and what comes out of

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his chest is just something like the living tree. Now

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in the meantime, since nineteen fifty two, since this was discovered,

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until today, in the archaeological literature, we have fourteen different

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possible explanations and the newest one made by Professor Stewart

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and Steward is the best epigraph. Epigraph means the professors

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who are able to translate Maya writing. Now, Professor dot

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Juha prays, now it all has to do with cosmos.

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It is in fact Pakhal the second last ruler. But

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Taka is not falling into the open mouth of a monster.

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He is going out of our planet, out from the Earth,

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out through the Solar system. So the situation in explanation

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has changed. That's just the one part. You're a part

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we have. For example, in ancient Indian mythology, we have

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large books called the Maha Barada, and the Maha Barada

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has several different volumes and in the fifth volume it's

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called the Mausalapurba. There they clearly described space cities. They

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say that there were three cities surrounding the Earth. The

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cities had and cowers. Out of these cities, the smaller

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vehicles they send it to our planet. The old Indians

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called these vehicles the v Manas. Out of the v Manas,

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the teachers from heaven came out, and in some cases

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some of our humans were taken up there to these

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cities on the premament, and these people who are up

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there described these cities. So in mythology we clearly have

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description of space cities surrounding once our planet Earth.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Now, one thing I wanted to ask you about,

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why did we call them gods?

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Speaker 2: What is just a misunderstanding. As I said in the beginning,

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there are no gods. There is only one God, the

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almighty gigantic being which nobody can understand, which what we

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call God. And I am one who prays every evening

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to the God. But our ancestors some thousands of years ago, yeah,

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they could not make a different differentiate. They believed that

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these beings, because of their power, their lightning, their weapon weapon,

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their possibility to fly, that these beings must be some gods.

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So the word the gods in plural is a misunderstanding

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from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: So when we look at Jesus Christ, he was a man.

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People say it was a prophet. Now he managed to

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do things that gods would be able to do. With

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said five thousand people, five loads of bread, two fishes,

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he would just sick, walked on water, et cetera. If

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could this man, Jesus Christ, be an alien being? And

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if that's the case, could it also be that all

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our whole religious experience is just that extraterrestrial?

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Speaker 2: No? You see, the story of Jesus Christ is about

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two thousand years old from now on. And the Jesus

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Christ story is the story of the religion of our

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Christian believing and the other Christian faith. That Jesus Christ

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figure has nothing to do with the extraterrestrials I'm talking about,

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because these extraterrestrians were here some seven eight thousand years ago,

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thousands many thousand years ago before Jesus Christ worked on Earth,

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but two complete different things.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, Dave Lloyd's in the chat room. He would

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like to know, do you think that the theory and

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Anuki and Anarki sorry, came here and upgraded humans to

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mind gold for them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. This story comes from my friend Zakaraiah

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sit Chin. He has published several books. He died unfortunately

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two years ago, but we were good friends and we

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know each went very well. That Zakaraiah City made translations

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from the Sumerian quiform writings, and he has ken up

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that some beings which the Suveians called Annaki were here

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on earth and they used our forefathers as slaves. Our

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forefathers simply had to work for them in some cases

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in the terrible way. I believe that this story is

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true and Takaraiah City in Templation was correct concerning the Annakis.

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Speaker 4: Okay Eric going on the Anaraki and the Sumerians, as

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anybody is still not come up with an explanation why

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Samerian writing has been found in the ball.

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Speaker 2: Well. Poor Punko is in South America. Pua Punko is

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in Bolivia and it's four thousand meters high, four thousand

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meters about sea level. I was there many many times,

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and Puma Punko is dead lately. Not made by prehistoric people.

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I mean which stone age tool you cannot produce Puma punku.

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Prefabricated blocks means you need planning, you need writing, you

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need computers, you need the tools, because all the block

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you can put together like lego stones. And this does

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not fit into the Stone Age people in Puma Punko.

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and they have a rate of eight hundred tons now

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human at bad times, stone Age people were able to

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move eight hundred ton blocks. Now the mythology, when the

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first Spanish conquerors come up to Duapunku, they were Indians around,

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and the Spanish conquerors asked them what is this? What

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was this? And the inter natives said, it was not us,

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not our forefars who made Puma Punku. This was done

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by the gods in one night. Which gods, what technology?

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I think still we happy to do with extraterrestrials. They

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made something which we would call today a base camp,

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and even mountain climbers go to the Himalaya, they make

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some base camps which they use for their deposit. So

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the extraterrestrians, with their technology, they use the base camp

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so that some of their technical equipment could not be

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attacked by the animals or by humans or whatever. And

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the natives start to construct around this original base camp

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gigantic tempers. So in Pua Punku. We have two different

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different things to differentiate. One is made from the so

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called gods, the extraterrestrials, and the rest is made by

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, again about the Sumerian writing. Found that

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the writing founded near Puma punk called Sumerian writing the cuneiform.

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Speaker 2: To interrupt you shortly, I mind talking to a panel

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in England or in the United States.

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Speaker 4: In England.

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Speaker 2: That's why I have a little problems to understand you sometimes.

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Please excuse me. I'm Swiss, I'm educated in Switzerland. My

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model language is German. My second language is French, so

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my English is absolutely not perfect. So from time to

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time I have difficulties to understand you. Now you say

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coneiform in Puma Punko.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard to tell that ball was found near

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Puma Punko the ad cuniform writing, but.

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Speaker 2: Not in Puma punk You see, cuneiform writing belongs to

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the Sumerian. This is another part of the world. Puma

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Punko in South America. He's another continent. Holiform writings. Whoever

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founded Poor Punkou or near Poor Punkou? Maybe some other writings,

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but not coliform.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, do you believe that an abduction is a

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happening today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, unfortunately was from decades. I was always against

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this idea. I found it completely silly and ridiculous. Why

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should something abduct humans? Then I met professor doctor John

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Mack Mack he died some years ago, and he published

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a book about abductions. John Makers a professor at Harvard

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University in the United States, and he was the police

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a police prize winner, an absolute serious personality, and he

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has written a book about abductions. We have been in

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discussions many many times together, and because of John mac,

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I believe that really, from time to time some of

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us are abducted. I don't understand for what reason. I

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don't know what these extractricis are doing with it. But

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obviously something like this takes place, but only in very simple,

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single cases.

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Speaker 3: I believe you never you never believed this before now in.

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Speaker 2: The beginning, I never believed it before I met John

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mac mac. I said, this is all rubbish, that's all garbage.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, in your book the gods were astronauts. You

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look at the Old Testament? Am I correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: But you seem to have come to some different conclusions

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since your first book. Why is this.

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Speaker 2: You see in the Old Testament. We have, for example,

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a prophet with the name of Zkiel writes in the

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first person. The first person is an eyewitness, and he

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describes why he was captured in Babylonia. He saw a

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vehicle coming down from the cloud, and he not only

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describes how the vehicle looked like, he even describes the

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noise which the vehicle makes. He compares the noise with

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the thundering of a waterboat. Then he described that the

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vehicle made a land in sand, was blown up into

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the air, and then he described the legs, the wings,

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the wheels, they were out of metal, et cetera. So

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I interpreted this story of the prophet Ezekiel as an

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extraterrestrial vehicle, while theologians they see it completely different. I

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have good friends in theology. As I said in the beginning,

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I was educated in a Catholic body school for six

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years led by Jesuits, so I know what I'm talking about.

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The theologians, they believed that Egkil simply had a vision.

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He saw the God the Lord sit in his chariot.

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So that's a different interpretation of the same text.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now you also talk about the Fatima prophecies in

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your book about what prophecies the Fatima? Yes, okay, what

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do you think happened? What do you think your theory is.

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Speaker 2: That's a long story. I tried to make it sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh you got plenty of time married you See.

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Speaker 2: Fatima was in nineteen seventeen and Fatima is a little

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village in Portugal, and their three children had a vision.

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They believe that they see the Mother Mary, the Holy

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Mother Mary, because they were Catholic. Now, there are many

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apparitions in the world, many people believe to have seen

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the Holy Mother Mary, but Fatima was completely different because

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the figure Mora Mary had told to the three children

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that she will come back every month at the same time.

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All this started in May nineteen seventeen, so it continued

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in June, in July, in August, Egeda, and of course

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always more and more people accompaigned to three children when

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they went out to the field. And in October nineteen

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seventy nearly eighty thousand people were there on the field

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and then of a sudden, a gigantic disc came out

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of the cloud. This indifferent kola came down, descending to

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the eighty thousand people and then made the stop and

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returned again into the clouds. So that's only one thing

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that was not a visions. We have black white pictures

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made by journalists from their time, published in the newspapers

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the next few days. But also the White Lady, the

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mother of Jesus, has given a secret to one of

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these children, to the oldest one. Her name was Sea,

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with the order that the Pope should publish this secret

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in the year nineteen sixty. That means between nineteen seventeen

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when it happened at nineteen sixty, there were forty three years.

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So the secret of Fatima went to the Vatican, and

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in nineteen sixty, in October the Vatican, with different priests

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and cardinals, et cetera, they opened the Secret of Fatima. Now,

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the the Pope say at their time for journalists, I

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cannot publish the secret. It would create a storm. Later

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a Cardinal Ronalis asked them, what is in the secret?

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Why don't you publish it? Has he to do with

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the next world war? Has he to do with this

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this cup, this contruction of the world. Then the cardinal said, no,

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it has nothing to do with the next world war.

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It has nothing to do with the discruption, de druction

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of the rule. It has to do with our faith.

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Now you have to understand, for the Catholics, the Holy Mary,

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the Mother of Jesus, went up to the heaven with

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her body, so to say, Mother Mary, for the Catholic religions,

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is the highest female up there in heaven. So if

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Mother Mary has given the order in the year nineteen

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seventeen to publish a message in the year nineteen sixty,

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and the Pope doesn't do it, why not he should

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obey to his highest mother in the sky. Why is

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he against the order and say we cannot publish it.

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It would create a storm, or it would create a

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panic because it was not the Mother Mary the appearance,

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it was something extraterrestrial. But in the meantime, between nineteen

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seventeen and nineteen sixty, Fatima has become to a big

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pilgrim place. So millions of people are pilgramming to Fatima,

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and they adore and they pray for the Mother Mary. Now,

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of course, in nineteen sixty the Pope understands that it

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was not the Mother Mary. Now it is a fact

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he cannot publish this. It would really create a storm,

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because between Fatima is a pilgrim place. It's all very complicated.

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Speaker 3: It sounds there, it sounds it. How come you take

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so long? I mean, how have you taken your time

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to investigate all this?

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Speaker 2: Well, nearly eighty in the meantime, and I have a

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well organized office, and I have so many people worldwide

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who always deliver information to me. You see, for example,

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in one of the book, I showed hundreds of cave paintings.

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Then a lady from New Zealand wrote me a nice letter,

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Hey Svandanican, wonderful your book with the cave paintings. But

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in my country, just near the place where I live,

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are much more impressive cave paintings. Why have you not

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published them? So I write back because I don't know them.

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Then a correspondence staff. Then I ask, what do your

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local archaeology say, I need pictures, et cetera. So the

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information came from all over the world. And of course

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I always go on places. I do never publish something

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which I have not smelled and touched and photographed myself.

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Speaker 3: Right, and Andy's asking, can I assume that you've been

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working on this full time for many years?

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is my job, including Saturday Sunday. I have.

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I don't know what I should do at home on

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Saturday Sunday, I always go to my office. I have

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a gigantic archive with about two hundred thousand slides of

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archeological place taken all over the world. And to me,

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my work is not a must, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, you're very lucky. Now, the ancient astronaut

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theory is something my husband's saying here believes in. But

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why do you do some feel that they have to

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lie about what they say of facts?

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Speaker 2: What do you see our society generally spoken, Our society

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is composited of two groups of people. The one group

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of people is scientifically educated, the other group of people

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as a religious education. Now, the religious people they believe,

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and it doesn't matter which sort of religion, they believe

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that God made everything. God made the universe, made the planets,

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made the plants and the trees. But as the crown

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of creation, God created us the humans. The scientific group

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believes that everything took place by evolution. But the humans

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we are at the top of evolution. Now in both cases,

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if you look at it from the religious side, crown

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of creation or the scientific side, top of evolution. In

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both cases, we think that we are the greatest. Something

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great as us does not exist in the universe. So first,

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we do not like extraterrestrials. We don't want them. They

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that they you know, it's a shame for us. We

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believe that everything that exists on planet Earth, including evolution,

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happens by ourselves. There was no help from outside, So

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we don't want extra versus. We try to deny extra

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versus as long as possible. That's simply human. I understand this,

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and I also understand the critics, of course. I mean,

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in the scientific community, you say, between the stars there

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are light years and it is not possible to travel

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with the speed of light, so nobody could have visited us,

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even if they exist somewhere out there. This is the

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scientific point of view in astronomy. But in fact, in

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the meantime, we know it is possible to travel between

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the stars. We even now how it would work. I

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just don't want to explain it takes too long. Or

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another group of the scientific community say, okay, we can

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accept that maybe there are life forms out there that

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definitely these life forms would never look like us, never

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look like humans. Now, mister fondemic and Hise books. He

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says that these exact resturals, somehow they look like humans.

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They had arms and legs and knees and the face, etc.

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So the scientists say this is all garbage. Again generally

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seen from a pine point of view, this is correct

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because evolution could have created incredible forms of life forms

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which we cannot even imagine. But on the other hand,

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there is a theory called pan spermia. Pan Spermia says

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that life was spread out in the universe in a

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certain section of a galaxy, and it all started because

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of these molecules. This panspermia, and again in the old

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Holy writings, not only in the Bible, in other Holy

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writings do it says God or the Gods created humans

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according their own image. If we look at it from

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the point of view of panspermia, then it is possible

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that extraterrestrials look similar than we because we are simply

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the offsprings of them.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they just say this they try and

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discredit it. Do you think they just say these sort

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of things to try and discredit it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we always try to be the best. We

475
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try to discredited as long as possible, But it will

476
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not help. We will. We will live in a new generation,

477
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:16,079
and more and more our brilliant astronomers will find other

478
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,799
planets out there which are similar to our planet Earth,

479
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I mean not too hot, not too cold, etc. And

480
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sooner or later we will find the traces of life

481
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out there, definitely, maybe on the next planet like Mars

482
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or something. I do not mean a high developed intelligent

483
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forms of life, but at least bacterias, primitive forms of life.

484
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And then we know the universe is full of life.

485
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We are just one little part of it.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this could be why your theory

487
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isn't has been investigated further by others well worldwide.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, we have about one hundred out authors

489
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who have published books in the same direction. Among these

490
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,400
authors there are quite some scientists who have the same

491
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feeling like me, but seen from a different point of view. Do.

492
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In England, for example, you have a brilliant mathematician his

493
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naces Professor doctor Chandra become singing. I don't know if

494
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he heard of him. He comes up with the panspermia

495
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theory and he says, definitely we are the offsprings of

496
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some other life from out there. There are philosophers, there

497
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are NASA scientists who have criticized first the theory of

498
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Eric Vandenikin. In the meantime, they join the wagon, so

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the situation will change. That everything takes time, it goes

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slowly on this planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now my husband wants to ask the question is

502
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given it to me across the room, he said, what

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do you think the chances of getting the Egyptians to

504
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give that mission to conduct to proper scan and an

505
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investigation into Gizer and the Sphing to see if the

506
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library can be found.

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Speaker 2: I am sure that the library does exist. And I

508
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know Robert, Robert Chocki's geologist who make these measurements. And

509
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there are rooms beneath the sphings also by the me

510
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made by the way, there are much more rooms in

511
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the Great Pyramid and under the Great Pyramid, rooms which

512
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some ten years ago everybody said it is impossible that

513
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they are there. Now in the meantime, under the Great Pyramid,

514
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a new room has been discovered with water inside, and

515
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in the water it is a sarcopha guy. Now Herodotus.

516
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Herodotus was a Greek historian two and a half thousand

517
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years ago. He already in his second Book of History,

518
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he said that deep beneath under the pyramid there is

519
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a room filled with water, and in the water in

520
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a sarcopha guy. Phyptologists did not believe Herodotus. In the meantime,

521
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,280
we know he was right, and so are many other

522
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rooms in the pyramid, which we know that they exist.

523
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We know it because they are measured electronically. Now, if

524
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you say we know that there are rooms in the pyramids,

525
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why don't nobody goes in there? Because it is not possible.

526
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You see, the shafts which go into these rooms are

527
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so small that no humans can climb in there. You

528
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can only go in there by robots, and this is done.

529
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I have many pictures in the meantime in my archive

530
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when I know the robots were in the Great Pyramids.

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It's all complicated and slowly, slowly you see. This all

532
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again has to do with the Arab nationality. The Arabs

533
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are proud that the great Pyramids and these great temples

534
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are in Egypt, especially the Egyptian nations is proud, and

535
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they do not want that there was some extraterrestrial help.

536
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By the way, it is not my opinion that extraterrestrians

537
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made the pyramid. The humans did it. We always made

538
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a dirty job, the dirty job. But the help from

539
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the mathematics, mathematics, from the tours, from geometry, the help

540
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was coming by the excepterrestrials. But the work was done

541
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by us. So the nation of Egypt do not like

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to hear that they were not the only ones who

543
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created the pyramid, that there was some help from outside.

544
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They don't like this. It's just the human egoism. We

545
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are the greatest.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's Paul again. Just a quick question. Do you

547
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still think that the Great Pyramid is older and than

548
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it said it is and it wasn't built by Kufo?

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Speaker 2: Definitely is. You see, according to our theology, the Great

550
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Pyramid was constructed by Kufo. Kufui helped. That was about

551
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about two thousand clear on the BC say, roughly for

552
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a out thousand years from now on. And Egyptologists believe

553
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this because they have a little, very little proof. But

554
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the proof is not enough to support this. We have

555
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,559
other indications. For example, in all Arabian there was an

556
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,719
historian called hiprah In Abdul al mas Urdi. Mas Udi

557
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was writing about all Egyptian story and he clearly says

558
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the pyramid was constructed before the Great flood. Also, there

559
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,719
is an old Egyptian writer, it's called Alma Critci. Alma

560
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Crici also wrote about the Great Pyramid and said the

561
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Great Pyramid was constructed before the Great Flood by a

562
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king with the name of sau Rit. And then he says,

563
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shau Rit is the same which the Hebrew called Enoch.

564
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Now Enoch again is a story. Innoc was a personality

565
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which was taken to the mother spaceship Inno Colern the

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language of the extra Verstians. He knew scientific methods from

567
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the extra Thorstians. They dictated him everything. And this is

568
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not an invention which just Eric Froden can make. This

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is all written in the Book of Enoch. He says

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that the teachers dictated him nearly one hundred books about

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all kinds of scientists. So according to old Egyptian traditions,

572
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it was made by Enoch and his son. His son

573
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was the difficult Methusalah. By the way, Inoch dis appeared

574
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in the Fiery Chariot. And there is another important thing

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which everyone can control. I said in the beginning that

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the Greek historian Herodotus was in Egypt about two and

577
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a half thousand years from now. Herodotus published two books

578
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about Egypt History books about Egypt. And in his second

579
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book You Can Control It, chapter chapter forty one, second

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to forty two, two hundred and forty one, he says

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that he was in Taves. Taves is today's luxure on

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the n Island, and there the priest showed him two

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hundred and forty one statues, and the high priest explained

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to every statue a short story. So he told them

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who represented these stone statues, And at the end the

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high priest said, these stone statues represent eleven thousand, three

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hundred and forty years. At that time the gods from

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the firmament were among the humans. Since that time the

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gods have not returned. So this is written by Herodotus,

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the Greek historian is also called the Father of History.

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Now in archeology, these states of Herodotus were always ignored.

592
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I know of other old historians, for example, Theodore of Sicily,

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Rabon Piltar. This war all men who were all in

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Egypt more or less two thousand years ago, and each

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and every of them in their books they give complete

596
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different dates compared to our today's Egyptology. In our Egyptology,

597
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the old the Egyptian history starts about three thousand BC,

598
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but according to the old historians, it's about fourteen thousand BC.

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So there is a big discrepancy between the historians and

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our to day's pseudo knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Dave Lloyd's back is like, we'd like to know that.

602
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We're like to know if you think that NASA has

603
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a secret space program. It said, we already have a

604
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colony based on the Moon and on Mars called Adaminame.

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Do you believe in No, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know about that. I know for sure that the

607
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Americans were on the Moon. I know the criticism and

608
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all the stories where America is accused that they were

609
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,760
not on the Moon it was all a fake. But

610
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I know some of the American astronauts perfectly. I knew

611
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,840
shortly mister Verner from Brown, I knew other national scientists,

612
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and they are all very honest and correct people. Know

613
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,599
of them was a liar, No of them was a faker.

614
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I am absolutely sure they were on the Moon. Now,

615
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if there is some sort of colony, I really don't know.

616
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I never heard of this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and he goes on to ask do you think

618
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the gods will return? And what do you think they

619
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may definitely return?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? You see when the Spanish conquerors Stet's around four

621
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hundred and twenty years ago, when they first came to

622
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Central America, that was an undo gortess. The natives believed

623
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that an undo goddess in the Spanish were the expected gods.

624
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In the beginning, they all fell down on their knees.

625
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They believed that we, the Western people, were gods. The

626
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same thing happened in South America with Francisco Pizzaro. The

627
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same thing happened in the South Sea with James Cook.

628
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You see the British, the British explorer James Cook, when

629
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he came for the first time to Hawaii, the natives

630
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believed that he was expected God. So in the beginning

631
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they believed he was a god. Later they learned of

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God because that he was not a god. So this

633
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,039
idea of God to return is not an invention of Christianity.

634
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,679
It existed long before Christianity. And what do we have today.

635
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I'm educated as a Christian we believe that Jesus will return.

636
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:49,039
But the Muslim society believes that their Mahadi will return.

637
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,000
The Buddhistic society believe that Buddha will return. The great

638
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,239
Jewish community believed that their Messiah will return. So not

639
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,239
only the old tribes who died out still today in

640
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:09,360
our religions, we all wait, we all expect that some

641
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of them, so called gods or leaders will return. In reality,

642
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,679
it was simpretty extraterrestials some thousands of years ago. They

643
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educated some of the humans, some of the humans learned

644
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their language. One example is Enoch. And when they disappeared,

645
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when they went away, they promised to our four of ours,

646
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,079
we will return in the far away future. And this

647
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,920
promise entered into the mythologist and into the religions until

648
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today they will return. And by the way, that's one

649
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,599
of the reasons why I do my job. It's better

650
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to be prepared for such an event than to be

651
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completely shocked and to be crashed down when it happened,

652
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And it will happen.

653
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Speaker 3: He goes on to ask what do you think of liberals?

654
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Speaker 2: While liberu is again a story of I are sitting

655
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in his book, Libbhoo is a planet which should surround

656
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:10,039
our solar system in about one thousand, six hundred years.

657
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I am not a fan of Nibiru because if we

658
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would have another planet in our Solar system which is invisible,

659
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which we have never seen, never seen, our astronomers would

660
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,000
definitely have measured it. Because another planet visible or not visible,

661
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would destroy all this disturb our gravities in our planetary system.

662
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We would know about such a planet. We have never

663
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measured such a planet.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Of all the books that you've written, Of all

665
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the books you've written since nineteen sixty eight or sixteen, okay, yeah,

666
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,079
what was the one you enjoyed doing.

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Speaker 2: It's always the last run. You're always writing and writing,

668
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,760
and of course with each book you hope to become

669
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better and you hope to make no mistake and not

670
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the not the slightest mistake. So for me, it's always

671
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,000
the newest book, which is the best.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, just before we go on to the other question, Bryande,

673
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some would say, when we die, we go back to

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our alien ship, which could be the heavens heaven that

675
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,920
the religions talk about. Where do you think we go

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when we die?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I am one of the believers

678
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,480
that we will not die. I mean, our body will die,

679
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,519
but we will continue our consciousness or the religious say

680
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,239
the soul will continue. But I don't know where we.

681
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: Go right and how? How how is your thinking change

682
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since your first book? And what do you think your

683
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,039
biggest mistake was?

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Speaker 2: Oh, God, there are many mistakes in the first book.

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You see, when you are young, you are very enthusiastic

686
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and you believe everything, and you are not self critical enough.

687
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So I remember in Chariots of the Gods when I

688
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was for the first time in Egypt. I was nineteen

689
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years old, and I was in Upper Egypt. And there

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is a little island in the Nile. And this island

691
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has the name Elephantin. And my guide at that time,

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he was a teacher in school in Egypt. He told

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me that this island has the name Elephantine because seen

694
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from the air, it has the shape of an elephant. Later,

695
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and I brought this in Chariots of the Gods. Later

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I learned that this was all nonsense. The island does

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not look like an elephant from the air. It is

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simply called Elephantin because elephants were living on the island,

699
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,400
that's all. Or for example, in India, in daily there

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is a wonderful temple and in the sample of the

701
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,760
temple court there is one metallic column. And this metallic

702
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is not rusting. When I was there, that was in

703
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about nineteen sixty one, it was still not rusting, and

704
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,559
the locals told me this is a metal which comes

705
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from out of place. It is not the metal which

706
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we have on Earth. I published this in Serions of

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the Gods. I even show the picture. In the meantime.

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This mad object isteresting. So what can you do? It

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was mistakes, misunderstanding, and many of these things happened in

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my earlier books, but not in the later books. I

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mean at least from the fourth or fifth book. Again,

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I try to avoid every coin kind of mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Right, Andy would like to know, how do you feel

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about the scientologists having hijacked your research and using it

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for their own religion.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not very familiar with the Scientology church. I

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know that they had a science fiction right with the

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name of Ron Hobbart who had some ideas, but I

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really don't know their so called bible or they're writings.

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I don't know much about them.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. It's just something that he's come up with.

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He says something about that they seem to hijack your

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research and using it for their own religion or something.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope not.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's how you feel about it. Okay, Well, you've

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really gone through those questions. He's just said, they claim

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that we are descended from aliens, so they've taken your research.

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And you know, perhaps I disagree with you at the

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end of the day. So at least that's another one

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that agrees with you. He goes on to say, and

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they fund Oh, they funded the Ancient Aliens show that

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you've been on. Apparently you see the.

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Speaker 2: Ante alien shows in the meantime. They have one hundred episodes. Yeah,

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and with many of these episodes, I do not agree, no,

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because it's not what I say. It's not what is

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in my book. I only stay for that what I

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say in the episodes, and I know my knowledge, but

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many other ideas have nothing to do with my knowledge

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or my sort of.

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Speaker 3: Science I see. Okay, Well, anyway, as I say, you've

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really gone through these through these questions tonight.

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Speaker 2: And one, by the way, I don't know you are

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a radio station.

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Speaker 3: We're an internet show.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're an internet show. Oh? Great, by hope. Many

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people watched and hear what they say. And again I

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excuse for my lousy English. I have to learn much more.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be going out on YouTube so other people.

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We get a lot of listeners on YouTube as well.

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But okay, we do have people that listen in the

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chat room and not offer questions for our guests.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, and thank you for the interview together sooner

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or later again, yeah.

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Speaker 3: David Oyd's just a couple more questions come up. David

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Law says, how come years ago people were said to

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live hundreds of years, almost as if our DNA was uprighted.

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Do you know about that?

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Speaker 2: No, we leave hundred of viars, okay.

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Speaker 3: Like in the Bible, and we lived.

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Speaker 2: Well in the Old Testament or the Great Flood, we

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had ten patriarchs they call it patriarch and every of

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these ten patriarchs beginning with Adam, his son set et cetera,

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then then lamech Paru, Metuza, and they all lived hundreds

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and hundreds of years ago. So we don't know if

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this is true, but at least according to the Bible,

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it is handed down like this. And on the other hand,

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you see there is Sumerian cuneiform writings and there is

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a so called Sumerian Kings list, the Sumerian Killing Kings List.

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By the way, you can see in the British Museum

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in London. It's a black stone and the translation is

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next there and there. The first ten Sumerian kings also

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had incredible ages, just comparable to the ten patriarch in

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the Bible. So we cannot understand where these dates came together.

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Are they correct or not? We don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is there. Well, we're now in twenty fifteen, so

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what's next for Eric lorn Janathan?

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Speaker 2: I am continuing to writing. Of course, we try to

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make a lot of movies and shows, and I have

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some speeches worldwide this year that we go to Brazil

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for a few speeches, to the North America, to Australia.

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I hope sooner or later someone in England willie white

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meat because with my shows you really see incredible pictures,

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pictures from archaeological places which I've never seen on TV.

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Speaker 3: And I believe you. Is it the charge of God

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that's been turned into a computer guy? No, not yet,

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but I thing like this is going on, yes, okay,

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and ice paradox has just popped in with the last question,

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are there any mysteries you have investigated that you feel

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you have not found a satisfactory too?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, there are also many mysteries which I know

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from but they never published it because you see, you

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have a scientist, for example, in Egypt, and this egyptologist

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shows me something deep beneath under some temple, and before

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we go down there, we shake hands and you say, please, Eric,

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do not go to public with it. So I keep

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my words and I don't go to public with it,

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because if I would go to public with it, the

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journalists would immediately realize, hey, this is a sensation. Then

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they go to the professor in egitology, and then he

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has to correct and he has to say, well, Eric

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was telling a lie, or Eric was misunderstanding me, etc.

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And the whole friendship is gone. You never received any

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more information. So that's why I myself know something some

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secrets which I haven't not published today.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Well, I just like say thank you for

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your time. Ramon did tell us that you don't normally

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work on Sundays.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your patience to listen to me.

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: By I had run away.

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Speaker 3: We have loved, we would love to get you back

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on again and talk about some of your other books.

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Speaker 2: L just make contact with Ramon for the moment I

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have to run away.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you very much, thank you very.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed the show everybody, and and thank

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you for your questions. We always welcome your questions for

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our guests. Thank you Aggie for saying it's a brilliant show.

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We do our best. As I say, we are a

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relaxed show, but we try our best to bring bring

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people to you in the know and so we can

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all learn, isn't it, Stave?

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 5: It is like we all say, we've been guested on

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most of the time, we know absolutely nothing about them

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until until the week before, and then we do a

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bit of research and research and we always learned something,

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which is what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can always take something away from the program,

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can't we.

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, thanks again and until next time. All this

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next left to say is keep normal, friendly,