Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering
what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard
previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by
a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the
days of the KTPF radio show, their own radio show
around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for
over the three hours. I joined them in the last
eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys
felt they've just about had enough. It was a monumental
effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It
was a wonderful show, but unfortunately they no longer involved
and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.
So I thought it would be nice to bring them
back to life and bringing you the interviews that the
guy has conducted over those four years and include some
of the most interesting people within the world of the
paranormal and some not so well known, but it's nevertheless
still very interesting. We even have one or two rather
unusual shows, including a live salance and other things along
those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this
is the KEYTPF for Reload show. Enjoy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Gilleen, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another edition
of the KTPF Community Talk Show. My name is sus
Anne and we're here keeping the paranormal friendly. But as
I said, are we asked strict for time tonight, so
up until after the interview with mister Danagan. He is
a man that we never thought we'd get on the show,
but he's quatiously accepted. The Swiss author best known for
his controversial work linking extraterrestrial influences to early human culture
with books such a Charits of the Gods, Danakan is
one of the main figures responsible for popularizing the paleo
contact an ancient astronaut hypothesis. So we'll be talking to
him soon, right, ladies and gentlemen, We're back here now
on the KTPF Community Talk Show with Eric von Danakan
means sir, everybody okay, and I hope everyone can hear
you okay, So whereabouts are you at the moment? Where
are you? Where are you?
Speaker 2: I am sitting in Switzerland, in the high out in
the mountains. We are in the Bernese oper lunch.
Speaker 3: Oh this sounds good. Okay, So for those that have
never heard of you, mister Eric, please, could you tell
us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, in the meantime, I'm nearly eighty each all yes,
In nineteen sixty eight, long time ago, with a book
called Chariots of the Gods, and Chariots of the Gods
was first the best seller in Germany, in Switzerland and
then around the world. And in Chariots of the Gods,
I said, some thousands of years ago, in the deep past,
when our forefathers were Stone Age people, some extraterrestlers arrived
here on our planet. Now, our Stone Age people could
not understand what was going on, so they believed that
these extraterrestrials must be some kind of gods. Of course,
in reality, there are no gods, but our Stone Age
people believed that the eaties were gods. And that's how
it all started. Mythology, religions and all kinds of mysterious things.
Speaker 3: Well, we had a question from Andy in our chat room,
and he was wondering, what was the first thing you
noticed that first suggested that it had alien visitation.
Speaker 2: Well, I was educated as a strict cat in a
boarding school in Switzerland, and there we had to make
translations from part of the Bible, from Latin to Greek
and Greek to German. Now you have to understand, when
I was a boy, around sixteen years old, I was
a deep believer in God. In the meantime, by the way,
I still believe in God. I'm still one of those
people who praise every evening. But my God of my
youth had to have a few minimum qualities. For example,
God makes no mistakes, or God would never use a
vehicle in which to move around from point A to
point B. God is all over. Or of course, of
course God does not lie, and God is out of time.
God does not have to make an experience and then
has to wait what the result will be. He should
know it the advance. So this was what I thought
when I was young about God. Now we made translations
of the Bible, and I learned in the Bible that
God had none of these qualities. God used the vehicle
in which to move around from point A to point B.
God made mistakes. God didn't know what was going on.
He was not out of time. So I simply I
had doubts in my own education, in my religious education,
and I wanted to find out if others, communities and
antiquity they have similar stories as we have them in
the Christian world. And that's how old it started. All
So the beginning was the Bible. The beginning was doubts
in my own education.
Speaker 3: Right, okay, So you basically, as you say, you published
a book in nineteen sixty eight which was many copies
and I was am I right thinking? It was translated
into twenty eight languages, that's correct, yes, okay. Now there
was a lot of criticism about the book, with a
lot of accusations to say that you made some of
the stories up. You were called a black swemer, Charlattan,
even the Antichrist itself at one point by religious people.
Do you know why this was and how did this
make you feel?
Speaker 2: Well? Of course, in the beginning, when I was young,
and all these critics made me very very mad, But
that was really when I was young. In the meantime,
I really don't care anymore. And of course, most of
these critics were absolutely wrong. I am neither an anti Christ.
I am neither a person who is against God, so
to say an eighties. Of course, I made none of
these stories up. Everyone can control what is in chariots
of the gods. So all these acquisitions were in fact wrong.
Speaker 3: So do you still believe that humankind basically originated on
this planet by a successful intervention?
Speaker 2: Now we have evolution? Definitely? I believe in the story
of Darwin moral less. We are the product of evolution
in the in the beginning, in the very very beginning,
and there I mean some millions and millions and millions
of years ago, life on Earth started because it was
brought from outside. You see, the first molecule, what we
call the DNA, was coming from outside because it was
not the product of evolution. And later in the long
course of evolution, there were mixture between some extra terrestrials
and between our humans, and at least in mythology and
in religion.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Well, we've got one of your biggest fans
in hub with us at the moment, and I think
he's got some questions for you, haven't you call.
Speaker 4: Good evening?
Speaker 2: Eric? Helloing?
Speaker 4: After the publicers and publication of the book. Being it's
over like forty eight forty seven years now, have you
had to change some of your thinking or some of
the questions that you actually asked in the book because
of new evidence have come forward.
Speaker 2: Well, it's an evidending story. Since Chariots of the Gods,
I have published thirty three continuation books, and of course
in every book I try to bring more indications to
support the case. Indications from archaeology, indications from mythology, indications
from religion. So really I could come up with hundreds
of examples. What is new since Chariots of the Gods?
Speaker 3: Right, okay, right, Well, we have another question for you
from the chat room, Andy, again is what makes you
feel sorry? What do you feel is the best proof
of alien visitation?
Speaker 2: We have to differentiate between the optical proof, I mean
hard facts, and between proof out of the old holy writings. First,
the hard facts. In Mexico, there is a place called Lenka,
and in Palenki is a pyramid that is called the
Temple of Inscription, and deep down under the Temple of Inscriptions.
In the nineteen fifty two, the Mexican archeologist Professor doctor
Rutz discovered a secret tomb. The tomb was covered with
a big slab. I mean big. It's two point eight
meter large and three point eight meter long, but quite
a big. One stone one stone block. And on this
stone block you see an engraving. You see a man.
He's sitting in a kind of capsule. He's bending forward,
almost like a rising motorcyclist. He has something like a
musk on his nose, and he clearly uses his two
hands to manipulate some controls. He's sitting on a chair
and the heel of his left foot is in a
kind of pedal. Now outside the frame in which he
is sitting, you see something like a linking flam Now optically,
this is a very good indication. Of course, archaeology has
always seen this picture from a different point of view.
In the beginning, archaeologist said, well, it simply represents a
ruler with the name of Pakal, and this is true.
It shows Pakal Pakaal was the second the ruler of
the city of Palenki. And in archaeology they said Pakal
is falling into the open mouth of a monster. So
he's falling into the earth, and what comes out of
his chest is just something like the living tree. Now
in the meantime, since nineteen fifty two, since this was discovered,
until today, in the archaeological literature, we have fourteen different
possible explanations and the newest one made by Professor Stewart
and Steward is the best epigraph. Epigraph means the professors
who are able to translate Maya writing. Now, Professor dot
Juha prays, now it all has to do with cosmos.
It is in fact Pakhal the second last ruler. But
Taka is not falling into the open mouth of a monster.
He is going out of our planet, out from the Earth,
out through the Solar system. So the situation in explanation
has changed. That's just the one part. You're a part
we have. For example, in ancient Indian mythology, we have
large books called the Maha Barada, and the Maha Barada
has several different volumes and in the fifth volume it's
called the Mausalapurba. There they clearly described space cities. They
say that there were three cities surrounding the Earth. The
cities had and cowers. Out of these cities, the smaller
vehicles they send it to our planet. The old Indians
called these vehicles the v Manas. Out of the v Manas,
the teachers from heaven came out, and in some cases
some of our humans were taken up there to these
cities on the premament, and these people who are up
there described these cities. So in mythology we clearly have
description of space cities surrounding once our planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Wow. Now, one thing I wanted to ask you about,
why did we call them gods?
Speaker 2: What is just a misunderstanding. As I said in the beginning,
there are no gods. There is only one God, the
almighty gigantic being which nobody can understand, which what we
call God. And I am one who prays every evening
to the God. But our ancestors some thousands of years ago, yeah,
they could not make a different differentiate. They believed that
these beings, because of their power, their lightning, their weapon weapon,
their possibility to fly, that these beings must be some gods.
So the word the gods in plural is a misunderstanding
from the beginning.
Speaker 3: So when we look at Jesus Christ, he was a man.
People say it was a prophet. Now he managed to
do things that gods would be able to do. With
said five thousand people, five loads of bread, two fishes,
he would just sick, walked on water, et cetera. If
could this man, Jesus Christ, be an alien being? And
if that's the case, could it also be that all
our whole religious experience is just that extraterrestrial?
Speaker 2: No? You see, the story of Jesus Christ is about
two thousand years old from now on. And the Jesus
Christ story is the story of the religion of our
Christian believing and the other Christian faith. That Jesus Christ
figure has nothing to do with the extraterrestrials I'm talking about,
because these extraterrestrians were here some seven eight thousand years ago,
thousands many thousand years ago before Jesus Christ worked on Earth,
but two complete different things.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, Dave Lloyd's in the chat room. He would
like to know, do you think that the theory and
Anuki and Anarki sorry, came here and upgraded humans to
mind gold for them.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. This story comes from my friend Zakaraiah
sit Chin. He has published several books. He died unfortunately
two years ago, but we were good friends and we
know each went very well. That Zakaraiah City made translations
from the Sumerian quiform writings, and he has ken up
that some beings which the Suveians called Annaki were here
on earth and they used our forefathers as slaves. Our
forefathers simply had to work for them in some cases
in the terrible way. I believe that this story is
true and Takaraiah City in Templation was correct concerning the Annakis.
Speaker 4: Okay Eric going on the Anaraki and the Sumerians, as
anybody is still not come up with an explanation why
Samerian writing has been found in the ball.
Speaker 2: Well. Poor Punko is in South America. Pua Punko is
in Bolivia and it's four thousand meters high, four thousand
meters about sea level. I was there many many times,
and Puma Punko is dead lately. Not made by prehistoric people.
I mean which stone age tool you cannot produce Puma punku.
In Puma pun Kong you'll find hundreds of prefabricated blocks.
Prefabricated blocks means you need planning, you need writing, you
need computers, you need the tools, because all the block
you can put together like lego stones. And this does
not fit into the Stone Age people in Puma Punko.
Also we have some terrasies, you know, stone block terrrases,
and they have a rate of eight hundred tons now
human at bad times, stone Age people were able to
move eight hundred ton blocks. Now the mythology, when the
first Spanish conquerors come up to Duapunku, they were Indians around,
and the Spanish conquerors asked them what is this? What
was this? And the inter natives said, it was not us,
not our forefars who made Puma Punku. This was done
by the gods in one night. Which gods, what technology?
I think still we happy to do with extraterrestrials. They
made something which we would call today a base camp,
and even mountain climbers go to the Himalaya, they make
some base camps which they use for their deposit. So
the extraterrestrians, with their technology, they use the base camp
so that some of their technical equipment could not be
attacked by the animals or by humans or whatever. And
later when the gods, the so called gods lixa Pressure disappeared,
the natives start to construct around this original base camp
gigantic tempers. So in Pua Punku. We have two different
different things to differentiate. One is made from the so
called gods, the extraterrestrials, and the rest is made by
the humans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, again about the Sumerian writing. Found that
the writing founded near Puma punk called Sumerian writing the cuneiform.
Speaker 2: To interrupt you shortly, I mind talking to a panel
in England or in the United States.
Speaker 4: In England.
Speaker 2: That's why I have a little problems to understand you sometimes.
Please excuse me. I'm Swiss, I'm educated in Switzerland. My
model language is German. My second language is French, so
my English is absolutely not perfect. So from time to
time I have difficulties to understand you. Now you say
coneiform in Puma Punko.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard to tell that ball was found near
Puma Punko the ad cuniform writing, but.
Speaker 2: Not in Puma punk You see, cuneiform writing belongs to
the Sumerian. This is another part of the world. Puma
Punko in South America. He's another continent. Holiform writings. Whoever
founded Poor Punkou or near Poor Punkou? Maybe some other writings,
but not coliform.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, do you believe that an abduction is a
happening today.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, unfortunately was from decades. I was always against
this idea. I found it completely silly and ridiculous. Why
should something abduct humans? Then I met professor doctor John
Mack Mack he died some years ago, and he published
a book about abductions. John Makers a professor at Harvard
University in the United States, and he was the police
a police prize winner, an absolute serious personality, and he
has written a book about abductions. We have been in
discussions many many times together, and because of John mac,
I believe that really, from time to time some of
us are abducted. I don't understand for what reason. I
don't know what these extractricis are doing with it. But
obviously something like this takes place, but only in very simple,
single cases.
Speaker 3: I believe you never you never believed this before now in.
Speaker 2: The beginning, I never believed it before I met John
mac mac. I said, this is all rubbish, that's all garbage.
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, in your book the gods were astronauts. You
look at the Old Testament? Am I correct?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: But you seem to have come to some different conclusions
since your first book. Why is this.
Speaker 2: You see in the Old Testament. We have, for example,
a prophet with the name of Zkiel writes in the
first person. The first person is an eyewitness, and he
describes why he was captured in Babylonia. He saw a
vehicle coming down from the cloud, and he not only
describes how the vehicle looked like, he even describes the
noise which the vehicle makes. He compares the noise with
the thundering of a waterboat. Then he described that the
vehicle made a land in sand, was blown up into
the air, and then he described the legs, the wings,
the wheels, they were out of metal, et cetera. So
I interpreted this story of the prophet Ezekiel as an
extraterrestrial vehicle, while theologians they see it completely different. I
have good friends in theology. As I said in the beginning,
I was educated in a Catholic body school for six
years led by Jesuits, so I know what I'm talking about.
The theologians, they believed that Egkil simply had a vision.
He saw the God the Lord sit in his chariot.
So that's a different interpretation of the same text.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now you also talk about the Fatima prophecies in
your book about what prophecies the Fatima? Yes, okay, what
do you think happened? What do you think your theory is.
Speaker 2: That's a long story. I tried to make it sure.
Speaker 3: Oh you got plenty of time married you See.
Speaker 2: Fatima was in nineteen seventeen and Fatima is a little
village in Portugal, and their three children had a vision.
They believe that they see the Mother Mary, the Holy
Mother Mary, because they were Catholic. Now, there are many
apparitions in the world, many people believe to have seen
the Holy Mother Mary, but Fatima was completely different because
the figure Mora Mary had told to the three children
that she will come back every month at the same time.
All this started in May nineteen seventeen, so it continued
in June, in July, in August, Egeda, and of course
always more and more people accompaigned to three children when
they went out to the field. And in October nineteen
seventy nearly eighty thousand people were there on the field
and then of a sudden, a gigantic disc came out
of the cloud. This indifferent kola came down, descending to
the eighty thousand people and then made the stop and
returned again into the clouds. So that's only one thing
that was not a visions. We have black white pictures
made by journalists from their time, published in the newspapers
the next few days. But also the White Lady, the
mother of Jesus, has given a secret to one of
these children, to the oldest one. Her name was Sea,
with the order that the Pope should publish this secret
in the year nineteen sixty. That means between nineteen seventeen
when it happened at nineteen sixty, there were forty three years.
So the secret of Fatima went to the Vatican, and
in nineteen sixty, in October the Vatican, with different priests
and cardinals, et cetera, they opened the Secret of Fatima. Now,
the the Pope say at their time for journalists, I
cannot publish the secret. It would create a storm. Later
a Cardinal Ronalis asked them, what is in the secret?
Why don't you publish it? Has he to do with
the next world war? Has he to do with this
this cup, this contruction of the world. Then the cardinal said, no,
it has nothing to do with the next world war.
It has nothing to do with the discruption, de druction
of the rule. It has to do with our faith.
Now you have to understand, for the Catholics, the Holy Mary,
the Mother of Jesus, went up to the heaven with
her body, so to say, Mother Mary, for the Catholic religions,
is the highest female up there in heaven. So if
Mother Mary has given the order in the year nineteen
seventeen to publish a message in the year nineteen sixty,
and the Pope doesn't do it, why not he should
obey to his highest mother in the sky. Why is
he against the order and say we cannot publish it.
It would create a storm, or it would create a
panic because it was not the Mother Mary the appearance,
it was something extraterrestrial. But in the meantime, between nineteen
seventeen and nineteen sixty, Fatima has become to a big
pilgrim place. So millions of people are pilgramming to Fatima,
and they adore and they pray for the Mother Mary. Now,
of course, in nineteen sixty the Pope understands that it
was not the Mother Mary. Now it is a fact
he cannot publish this. It would really create a storm,
because between Fatima is a pilgrim place. It's all very complicated.
Speaker 3: It sounds there, it sounds it. How come you take
so long? I mean, how have you taken your time
to investigate all this?
Speaker 2: Well, nearly eighty in the meantime, and I have a
well organized office, and I have so many people worldwide
who always deliver information to me. You see, for example,
in one of the book, I showed hundreds of cave paintings.
Then a lady from New Zealand wrote me a nice letter,
Hey Svandanican, wonderful your book with the cave paintings. But
in my country, just near the place where I live,
are much more impressive cave paintings. Why have you not
published them? So I write back because I don't know them.
Then a correspondence staff. Then I ask, what do your
local archaeology say, I need pictures, et cetera. So the
information came from all over the world. And of course
I always go on places. I do never publish something
which I have not smelled and touched and photographed myself.
Speaker 3: Right, and Andy's asking, can I assume that you've been
working on this full time for many years?
Speaker 2: Yes, this is my job, including Saturday Sunday. I have.
I don't know what I should do at home on
Saturday Sunday, I always go to my office. I have
a gigantic archive with about two hundred thousand slides of
archeological place taken all over the world. And to me,
my work is not a must, it's a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, you're very lucky. Now, the ancient astronaut
theory is something my husband's saying here believes in. But
why do you do some feel that they have to
lie about what they say of facts?
Speaker 2: What do you see our society generally spoken, Our society
is composited of two groups of people. The one group
of people is scientifically educated, the other group of people
as a religious education. Now, the religious people they believe,
and it doesn't matter which sort of religion, they believe
that God made everything. God made the universe, made the planets,
made the plants and the trees. But as the crown
of creation, God created us the humans. The scientific group
believes that everything took place by evolution. But the humans
we are at the top of evolution. Now in both cases,
if you look at it from the religious side, crown
of creation or the scientific side, top of evolution. In
both cases, we think that we are the greatest. Something
great as us does not exist in the universe. So first,
we do not like extraterrestrials. We don't want them. They
that they you know, it's a shame for us. We
believe that everything that exists on planet Earth, including evolution,
happens by ourselves. There was no help from outside, So
we don't want extra versus. We try to deny extra
versus as long as possible. That's simply human. I understand this,
and I also understand the critics, of course. I mean,
in the scientific community, you say, between the stars there
are light years and it is not possible to travel
with the speed of light, so nobody could have visited us,
even if they exist somewhere out there. This is the
scientific point of view in astronomy. But in fact, in
the meantime, we know it is possible to travel between
the stars. We even now how it would work. I
just don't want to explain it takes too long. Or
another group of the scientific community say, okay, we can
accept that maybe there are life forms out there that
definitely these life forms would never look like us, never
look like humans. Now, mister fondemic and Hise books. He
says that these exact resturals, somehow they look like humans.
They had arms and legs and knees and the face, etc.
So the scientists say this is all garbage. Again generally
seen from a pine point of view, this is correct
because evolution could have created incredible forms of life forms
which we cannot even imagine. But on the other hand,
there is a theory called pan spermia. Pan Spermia says
that life was spread out in the universe in a
certain section of a galaxy, and it all started because
of these molecules. This panspermia, and again in the old
Holy writings, not only in the Bible, in other Holy
writings do it says God or the Gods created humans
according their own image. If we look at it from
the point of view of panspermia, then it is possible
that extraterrestrials look similar than we because we are simply
the offsprings of them.
Speaker 3: Do you think they just say this they try and
discredit it. Do you think they just say these sort
of things to try and discredit it.
Speaker 2: Of course, we always try to be the best. We
try to discredited as long as possible, But it will
not help. We will. We will live in a new generation,
and more and more our brilliant astronomers will find other
planets out there which are similar to our planet Earth,
I mean not too hot, not too cold, etc. And
sooner or later we will find the traces of life
out there, definitely, maybe on the next planet like Mars
or something. I do not mean a high developed intelligent
forms of life, but at least bacterias, primitive forms of life.
And then we know the universe is full of life.
We are just one little part of it.
Speaker 3: Do you think that this could be why your theory
isn't has been investigated further by others well worldwide.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, we have about one hundred out authors
who have published books in the same direction. Among these
authors there are quite some scientists who have the same
feeling like me, but seen from a different point of view. Do.
In England, for example, you have a brilliant mathematician his
naces Professor doctor Chandra become singing. I don't know if
he heard of him. He comes up with the panspermia
theory and he says, definitely we are the offsprings of
some other life from out there. There are philosophers, there
are NASA scientists who have criticized first the theory of
Eric Vandenikin. In the meantime, they join the wagon, so
the situation will change. That everything takes time, it goes
slowly on this planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now my husband wants to ask the question is
given it to me across the room, he said, what
do you think the chances of getting the Egyptians to
give that mission to conduct to proper scan and an
investigation into Gizer and the Sphing to see if the
library can be found.
Speaker 2: I am sure that the library does exist. And I
know Robert, Robert Chocki's geologist who make these measurements. And
there are rooms beneath the sphings also by the me
made by the way, there are much more rooms in
the Great Pyramid and under the Great Pyramid, rooms which
some ten years ago everybody said it is impossible that
they are there. Now in the meantime, under the Great Pyramid,
a new room has been discovered with water inside, and
in the water it is a sarcopha guy. Now Herodotus.
Herodotus was a Greek historian two and a half thousand
years ago. He already in his second Book of History,
he said that deep beneath under the pyramid there is
a room filled with water, and in the water in
a sarcopha guy. Phyptologists did not believe Herodotus. In the meantime,
we know he was right, and so are many other
rooms in the pyramid, which we know that they exist.
We know it because they are measured electronically. Now, if
you say we know that there are rooms in the pyramids,
why don't nobody goes in there? Because it is not possible.
You see, the shafts which go into these rooms are
so small that no humans can climb in there. You
can only go in there by robots, and this is done.
I have many pictures in the meantime in my archive
when I know the robots were in the Great Pyramids.
It's all complicated and slowly, slowly you see. This all
again has to do with the Arab nationality. The Arabs
are proud that the great Pyramids and these great temples
are in Egypt, especially the Egyptian nations is proud, and
they do not want that there was some extraterrestrial help.
By the way, it is not my opinion that extraterrestrians
made the pyramid. The humans did it. We always made
a dirty job, the dirty job. But the help from
the mathematics, mathematics, from the tours, from geometry, the help
was coming by the excepterrestrials. But the work was done
by us. So the nation of Egypt do not like
to hear that they were not the only ones who
created the pyramid, that there was some help from outside.
They don't like this. It's just the human egoism. We
are the greatest.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's Paul again. Just a quick question. Do you
still think that the Great Pyramid is older and than
it said it is and it wasn't built by Kufo?
Speaker 2: Definitely is. You see, according to our theology, the Great
Pyramid was constructed by Kufo. Kufui helped. That was about
about two thousand clear on the BC say, roughly for
a out thousand years from now on. And Egyptologists believe
this because they have a little, very little proof. But
the proof is not enough to support this. We have
other indications. For example, in all Arabian there was an
historian called hiprah In Abdul al mas Urdi. Mas Udi
was writing about all Egyptian story and he clearly says
the pyramid was constructed before the Great flood. Also, there
is an old Egyptian writer, it's called Alma Critci. Alma
Crici also wrote about the Great Pyramid and said the
Great Pyramid was constructed before the Great Flood by a
king with the name of sau Rit. And then he says,
shau Rit is the same which the Hebrew called Enoch.
Now Enoch again is a story. Innoc was a personality
which was taken to the mother spaceship Inno Colern the
language of the extra Verstians. He knew scientific methods from
the extra Thorstians. They dictated him everything. And this is
not an invention which just Eric Froden can make. This
is all written in the Book of Enoch. He says
that the teachers dictated him nearly one hundred books about
all kinds of scientists. So according to old Egyptian traditions,
it was made by Enoch and his son. His son
was the difficult Methusalah. By the way, Inoch dis appeared
in the Fiery Chariot. And there is another important thing
which everyone can control. I said in the beginning that
the Greek historian Herodotus was in Egypt about two and
a half thousand years from now. Herodotus published two books
about Egypt History books about Egypt. And in his second
book You Can Control It, chapter chapter forty one, second
to forty two, two hundred and forty one, he says
that he was in Taves. Taves is today's luxure on
the n Island, and there the priest showed him two
hundred and forty one statues, and the high priest explained
to every statue a short story. So he told them
who represented these stone statues, And at the end the
high priest said, these stone statues represent eleven thousand, three
hundred and forty years. At that time the gods from
the firmament were among the humans. Since that time the
gods have not returned. So this is written by Herodotus,
the Greek historian is also called the Father of History.
Now in archeology, these states of Herodotus were always ignored.
I know of other old historians, for example, Theodore of Sicily,
Rabon Piltar. This war all men who were all in
Egypt more or less two thousand years ago, and each
and every of them in their books they give complete
different dates compared to our today's Egyptology. In our Egyptology,
the old the Egyptian history starts about three thousand BC,
but according to the old historians, it's about fourteen thousand BC.
So there is a big discrepancy between the historians and
our to day's pseudo knowledge.
Speaker 3: Okay, Dave Lloyd's back is like, we'd like to know that.
We're like to know if you think that NASA has
a secret space program. It said, we already have a
colony based on the Moon and on Mars called Adaminame.
Do you believe in No, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know about that. I know for sure that the
Americans were on the Moon. I know the criticism and
all the stories where America is accused that they were
not on the Moon it was all a fake. But
I know some of the American astronauts perfectly. I knew
shortly mister Verner from Brown, I knew other national scientists,
and they are all very honest and correct people. Know
of them was a liar, No of them was a faker.
I am absolutely sure they were on the Moon. Now,
if there is some sort of colony, I really don't know.
I never heard of this.
Speaker 3: Okay, and he goes on to ask do you think
the gods will return? And what do you think they
may definitely return?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? You see when the Spanish conquerors Stet's around four
hundred and twenty years ago, when they first came to
Central America, that was an undo gortess. The natives believed
that an undo goddess in the Spanish were the expected gods.
In the beginning, they all fell down on their knees.
They believed that we, the Western people, were gods. The
same thing happened in South America with Francisco Pizzaro. The
same thing happened in the South Sea with James Cook.
You see the British, the British explorer James Cook, when
he came for the first time to Hawaii, the natives
believed that he was expected God. So in the beginning
they believed he was a god. Later they learned of
God because that he was not a god. So this
idea of God to return is not an invention of Christianity.
It existed long before Christianity. And what do we have today.
I'm educated as a Christian we believe that Jesus will return.
But the Muslim society believes that their Mahadi will return.
The Buddhistic society believe that Buddha will return. The great
Jewish community believed that their Messiah will return. So not
only the old tribes who died out still today in
our religions, we all wait, we all expect that some
of them, so called gods or leaders will return. In reality,
it was simpretty extraterrestials some thousands of years ago. They
educated some of the humans, some of the humans learned
their language. One example is Enoch. And when they disappeared,
when they went away, they promised to our four of ours,
we will return in the far away future. And this
promise entered into the mythologist and into the religions until
today they will return. And by the way, that's one
of the reasons why I do my job. It's better
to be prepared for such an event than to be
completely shocked and to be crashed down when it happened,
And it will happen.
Speaker 3: He goes on to ask what do you think of liberals?
Speaker 2: While liberu is again a story of I are sitting
in his book, Libbhoo is a planet which should surround
our solar system in about one thousand, six hundred years.
I am not a fan of Nibiru because if we
would have another planet in our Solar system which is invisible,
which we have never seen, never seen, our astronomers would
definitely have measured it. Because another planet visible or not visible,
would destroy all this disturb our gravities in our planetary system.
We would know about such a planet. We have never
measured such a planet.
Speaker 3: Okay. Of all the books that you've written, Of all
the books you've written since nineteen sixty eight or sixteen, okay, yeah,
what was the one you enjoyed doing.
Speaker 2: It's always the last run. You're always writing and writing,
and of course with each book you hope to become
better and you hope to make no mistake and not
the not the slightest mistake. So for me, it's always
the newest book, which is the best.
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, just before we go on to the other question, Bryande,
some would say, when we die, we go back to
our alien ship, which could be the heavens heaven that
the religions talk about. Where do you think we go
when we die?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I am one of the believers
that we will not die. I mean, our body will die,
but we will continue our consciousness or the religious say
the soul will continue. But I don't know where we.
Speaker 3: Go right and how? How how is your thinking change
since your first book? And what do you think your
biggest mistake was?
Speaker 2: Oh, God, there are many mistakes in the first book.
You see, when you are young, you are very enthusiastic
and you believe everything, and you are not self critical enough.
So I remember in Chariots of the Gods when I
was for the first time in Egypt. I was nineteen
years old, and I was in Upper Egypt. And there
is a little island in the Nile. And this island
has the name Elephantin. And my guide at that time,
he was a teacher in school in Egypt. He told
me that this island has the name Elephantine because seen
from the air, it has the shape of an elephant. Later,
and I brought this in Chariots of the Gods. Later
I learned that this was all nonsense. The island does
not look like an elephant from the air. It is
simply called Elephantin because elephants were living on the island,
that's all. Or for example, in India, in daily there
is a wonderful temple and in the sample of the
temple court there is one metallic column. And this metallic
is not rusting. When I was there, that was in
about nineteen sixty one, it was still not rusting, and
the locals told me this is a metal which comes
from out of place. It is not the metal which
we have on Earth. I published this in Serions of
the Gods. I even show the picture. In the meantime.
This mad object isteresting. So what can you do? It
was mistakes, misunderstanding, and many of these things happened in
my earlier books, but not in the later books. I
mean at least from the fourth or fifth book. Again,
I try to avoid every coin kind of mistakes.
Speaker 3: Right, Andy would like to know, how do you feel
about the scientologists having hijacked your research and using it
for their own religion.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not very familiar with the Scientology church. I
know that they had a science fiction right with the
name of Ron Hobbart who had some ideas, but I
really don't know their so called bible or they're writings.
I don't know much about them.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. It's just something that he's come up with.
He says something about that they seem to hijack your
research and using it for their own religion or something.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope not.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's how you feel about it. Okay, Well, you've
really gone through those questions. He's just said, they claim
that we are descended from aliens, so they've taken your research.
And you know, perhaps I disagree with you at the
end of the day. So at least that's another one
that agrees with you. He goes on to say, and
they fund Oh, they funded the Ancient Aliens show that
you've been on. Apparently you see the.
Speaker 2: Ante alien shows in the meantime. They have one hundred episodes. Yeah,
and with many of these episodes, I do not agree, no,
because it's not what I say. It's not what is
in my book. I only stay for that what I
say in the episodes, and I know my knowledge, but
many other ideas have nothing to do with my knowledge
or my sort of.
Speaker 3: Science I see. Okay, Well, anyway, as I say, you've
really gone through these through these questions tonight.
Speaker 2: And one, by the way, I don't know you are
a radio station.
Speaker 3: We're an internet show.
Speaker 2: Oh you're an internet show. Oh? Great, by hope. Many
people watched and hear what they say. And again I
excuse for my lousy English. I have to learn much more.
Speaker 3: It's going to be going out on YouTube so other people.
We get a lot of listeners on YouTube as well.
But okay, we do have people that listen in the
chat room and not offer questions for our guests.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, and thank you for the interview together sooner
or later again, yeah.
Speaker 3: David Oyd's just a couple more questions come up. David
Law says, how come years ago people were said to
live hundreds of years, almost as if our DNA was uprighted.
Do you know about that?
Speaker 2: No, we leave hundred of viars, okay.
Speaker 3: Like in the Bible, and we lived.
Speaker 2: Well in the Old Testament or the Great Flood, we
had ten patriarchs they call it patriarch and every of
these ten patriarchs beginning with Adam, his son set et cetera,
then then lamech Paru, Metuza, and they all lived hundreds
and hundreds of years ago. So we don't know if
this is true, but at least according to the Bible,
it is handed down like this. And on the other hand,
you see there is Sumerian cuneiform writings and there is
a so called Sumerian Kings list, the Sumerian Killing Kings List.
By the way, you can see in the British Museum
in London. It's a black stone and the translation is
next there and there. The first ten Sumerian kings also
had incredible ages, just comparable to the ten patriarch in
the Bible. So we cannot understand where these dates came together.
Are they correct or not? We don't know.
Speaker 3: This is there. Well, we're now in twenty fifteen, so
what's next for Eric lorn Janathan?
Speaker 2: I am continuing to writing. Of course, we try to
make a lot of movies and shows, and I have
some speeches worldwide this year that we go to Brazil
for a few speeches, to the North America, to Australia.
I hope sooner or later someone in England willie white
meat because with my shows you really see incredible pictures,
pictures from archaeological places which I've never seen on TV.
Speaker 3: And I believe you. Is it the charge of God
that's been turned into a computer guy? No, not yet,
but I thing like this is going on, yes, okay,
and ice paradox has just popped in with the last question,
are there any mysteries you have investigated that you feel
you have not found a satisfactory too?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, there are also many mysteries which I know
from but they never published it because you see, you
have a scientist, for example, in Egypt, and this egyptologist
shows me something deep beneath under some temple, and before
we go down there, we shake hands and you say, please, Eric,
do not go to public with it. So I keep
my words and I don't go to public with it,
because if I would go to public with it, the
journalists would immediately realize, hey, this is a sensation. Then
they go to the professor in egitology, and then he
has to correct and he has to say, well, Eric
was telling a lie, or Eric was misunderstanding me, etc.
And the whole friendship is gone. You never received any
more information. So that's why I myself know something some
secrets which I haven't not published today.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Well, I just like say thank you for
your time. Ramon did tell us that you don't normally
work on Sundays.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your patience to listen to me.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 2: By I had run away.
Speaker 3: We have loved, we would love to get you back
on again and talk about some of your other books.
Speaker 2: L just make contact with Ramon for the moment I
have to run away.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you very much, thank you very.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed the show everybody, and and thank
you for your questions. We always welcome your questions for
our guests. Thank you Aggie for saying it's a brilliant show.
We do our best. As I say, we are a
relaxed show, but we try our best to bring bring
people to you in the know and so we can
all learn, isn't it, Stave?
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 5: It is like we all say, we've been guested on
most of the time, we know absolutely nothing about them
until until the week before, and then we do a
bit of research and research and we always learned something,
which is what it's all about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can always take something away from the program,
can't we.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thanks again and until next time. All this
next left to say is keep normal, friendly,