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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on kf

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>My next guest is an entrepreneur, an investor, and an author.

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<v Speaker 1>His new book is called Homo Am I going to

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<v Speaker 1>say it right? Idiot idiot Idiots again? I'm being an idiot?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say it for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Chazari?

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<v Speaker 3>Homo idiots like a play on homo sapiens and homoid economicers.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we are all homo idiots, not homosapiens.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go with the subtitle Why we Are Stupid and

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<v Speaker 1>What we could do about it? Jasari Petrashik, How did

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Originally from Poland? Now I talk about cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>biases a lot the brains shortcut that we do so

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<v Speaker 1>that that the brain sometimes in trying to save fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>makes wrong decisions. Is this book about why we're stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can do about it? Kind of about

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive biases?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's a big part of that, but not the

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<v Speaker 3>only part. So cognitive biases are part of the psychological

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<v Speaker 3>dimension of our stupidity, but there's also biological and sociological

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<v Speaker 3>and institutional So.

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<v Speaker 2>How we biologically stupid?

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<v Speaker 3>Biologically, it's actuel quite complex. It's from how we are

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<v Speaker 3>wired in terms of that amygdala part of our brain

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<v Speaker 3>that prioritizes reactions to whatever is dangerous, moving, flashy, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>makes cautious but not precise decisions. Prefrontal cortex makes better decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>But we use it sparingly. We use it only when

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<v Speaker 3>we really think. Most of the decisions in our daily

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<v Speaker 3>life we use you know, using amygdala and other things.

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<v Speaker 3>But biology also is about testosterone. You know, testosterone makes

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<v Speaker 3>us subtly more stupid. So here's the question whether the

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<v Speaker 3>men are more stupid than the women?

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<v Speaker 2>Which IQ test you're using can tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>With the WAYS test, there's a greater range Men have

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<v Speaker 1>a greater range of intelligences on those scores.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but but do you know that almost seventy percent

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<v Speaker 3>of men do not wash their hands after using public toilet,

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you, and only half of that women.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To tell you, Jasari that when COVID happened and I

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<v Speaker 1>watched men walking out of men's rooms shaking their hands

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<v Speaker 1>and wringing them because they were wet, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>doing the touchdown cheer. Is this what it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic to get those guys to wash their hands. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you one biological error that we

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<v Speaker 1>often make. So when I talk a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>science of love and the science of relationships on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we smell somebody's pheromones who might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good biological match for us, because immune systems give off

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<v Speaker 1>a certain kind of scent, and if somebody has a

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<v Speaker 1>disparate a different immune system, we will find that more

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<v Speaker 1>sexually attractive. But that doesn't mean you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>compatible marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's another way that biologically we make mistakes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you mentioned some other ways that we're making mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sociology. So how the society works. So basically, the

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<v Speaker 3>society sadly makes us stupid. And this is an incredible

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<v Speaker 3>thing because the society made us originally very very smart

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<v Speaker 3>and very for example, less violent than we used to

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<v Speaker 3>be and allowed us to specialize, et cetera. So society

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<v Speaker 3>has put us to tremendous point of possession of strength

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<v Speaker 3>and mental strength as well. However, very I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>in the last few hundred years, the society has rather

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<v Speaker 3>a negative impact on our rat is encouraging our agency.

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<v Speaker 3>Why which way, because because of the of the concept conformity.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, we will do anything to conform with society,

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<v Speaker 3>which means that we make a lot of recipid decisions

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<v Speaker 3>just to conform. So, for example, there was just from

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<v Speaker 3>innocent things such as you know, there was this experiment

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen fifties when they were asking people to show

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<v Speaker 3>they were showing them three lines and one was obviously shorter,

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<v Speaker 3>one was obviously longer, and one was exactly the same line.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this study, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Continue, it's amazing, right, and people, you know, normally in

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<v Speaker 3>the control group, ninety nine percent of people pointed out

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<v Speaker 3>correctly which is longer, which is shorter. But then when

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<v Speaker 3>six people before them were telling wrong answer, but they

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<v Speaker 3>very consistently because they were all accompasses of the person

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<v Speaker 3>who designed the study, then like thirty six percent of

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<v Speaker 3>people also gave wrong answer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, which is one of the reasons in our

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<v Speaker 1>criminal justice system why it's so easy to get somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to admit to a crime they might not and have committed,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have enough cops in the room and they'd

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<v Speaker 1>say there are other witnesses, they're certain to think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I did do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's terrible. Informing you of conformed with society is

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of forced upon us. Think about it. In

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<v Speaker 3>the old days, it actually was a matter of survival

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<v Speaker 3>because because if you were different from society, if you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't conform, you'd be left behind, and a single person

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<v Speaker 3>without the tribe, without the group, would die, right like

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<v Speaker 3>in their primitive society. So that's why it's so deeply

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<v Speaker 3>wired in us that we all the time want to

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<v Speaker 3>conform with the society.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to fit in. You know, I have been

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<v Speaker 1>accused of being a bit of a vanguard and a

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<v Speaker 1>maverick and a big mouth and not going along with

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<v Speaker 1>that I, by my dad was in the navy.

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<v Speaker 2>We moved a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time I graduated high school, I'd gone to

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<v Speaker 1>ten different schools.

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<v Speaker 2>So I always.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt like an out cider and never felt a need

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<v Speaker 1>to conform because I knew it only be there yere anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result it has sustained me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit of trouble, okay, but for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>my big mouth that goes against the grain. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>truth teller goes, uh uh ah, No, that's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we following that? But now in today's time,

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<v Speaker 1>government who's practicing kind of authoritarian ways.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to make people conform even more, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Basically people think that whatever is legal or blessed

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<v Speaker 3>by society is moral. So we we do not have

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<v Speaker 3>many security wolves and do not have many switches that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we will do as a society really bad

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<v Speaker 3>things if the society is blessing it. Yes, So if

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<v Speaker 3>the society tells that this, you know, you can shoot

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<v Speaker 3>at people in this way, you can do those atrocious things.

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<v Speaker 3>You can, you can sure you will do it because

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<v Speaker 3>this hia it gives you that permission.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so frightening. We have to go to a break.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I want you to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some practical, actionable strategies so that we can make smarter

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<v Speaker 1>decisions as individuals. My guest is the author of Homo

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<v Speaker 1>idiot idiootesis is you are right? Idiotesis it's idiots idioticus idioticus.

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<v Speaker 2>Homo idiotic is why.

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<v Speaker 1>We are stupid and what we can do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Jasari pet petrass seek.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I got to learn how to speak Polish. Chazari,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna call you Tazari.

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<v Speaker 3>That's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>A brilliant entrepreneur, investor, and author. He is actually the

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<v Speaker 1>owner of a leading AI company that predicts human behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you got all this information. All right, you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier that we will follow the crowd because it's

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<v Speaker 1>basic survival. We will make all kinds of biological, intellectual,

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<v Speaker 1>and social mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>What can we do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>How can we walk to our own drum?

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<v Speaker 3>So there's many many strategies, right, So one of the

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<v Speaker 3>critical important ones is the mindset. So basically the mindset

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<v Speaker 3>is it's what you have cultivated. Right, You didn't follow

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd because you knew that you are different, that

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<v Speaker 3>you travel with your family who is in the navy, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that you had strong values. You you didn't mind if

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<v Speaker 3>somebody called you something that you didn't like. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>the whole point. The mindset is the most important thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So for example, just to give you, since you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the navy, the mindset of the navy so stupid. It

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<v Speaker 3>is about also tolerating things we should we should not tolerate.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to give you an example from the Navy. In

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen sixties, both US Navy and Soviet Navy had

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<v Speaker 3>this normally, while American has decided no, you have a

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<v Speaker 3>mindset that you will not tolerate any any small difficulties,

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<v Speaker 3>any small deficiencies, not no bad days in the office, nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Since that, they have never lost a boat, whereas the

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<v Speaker 3>Russians have lost I think eight or nine state of

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<v Speaker 3>the art nuclear submarines. It's all about the mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>The mindset, the mindset that it's okay to be different,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Also it's being vigilant and and not tolerating stupidity, not

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<v Speaker 3>being not allowing yourself to you know, to well, I

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<v Speaker 3>it without thinking I will, you know, I will not.

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<v Speaker 3>I will not be using my brain much. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned also at the beginning of this that you

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<v Speaker 1>know in my case, for as and since I was

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<v Speaker 1>always the outsider, is that I could also tolerate if

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<v Speaker 1>people didn't like me because I knew I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>there that long necessarily. But I think we all have

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to tolerate the feeling of shame every

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while, because they could be wrong, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll try to shame us into all these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of behaviors, and we have to be the one to

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as an individual, we could certainly do that,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, What else can we do to make smarter decisions?

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<v Speaker 3>So feeding yourself with different information sources, so basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not reading biased press, just trying to access information from

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<v Speaker 3>both political sides, different journals, just not being in the

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<v Speaker 3>eco jumber. This is this is critical. This is important. Traveling, right,

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<v Speaker 3>meeting people from different cultures is really really helping because

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<v Speaker 3>you can't understand different perspectives. You know, when I went

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<v Speaker 3>to China, when I spoke to the people there, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a very Western and Western focused philosophy. I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't taught much about the fact that we as Europeans

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<v Speaker 3>went to China in early nineteen hundreds and we quelled

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<v Speaker 3>their rebellion there. We killed thousands of people, we burned

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<v Speaker 3>their glorious palace. Summer palace, et cetera. They still remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I do want to say that in a

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<v Speaker 1>collectivist culture, like many Asian cultures, there's far less mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness because sometimes our brain doesn't do well with too

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<v Speaker 1>much freedom. We like literally get confused, and it's very

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<v Speaker 1>secure to know like this is the hopey way, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way we do it. Okay, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned traves basic things.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, other basic things are such simple things like fitting yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, bad quality food or insufficient food create visible reduction,

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<v Speaker 3>make you right. So there's those studies that malnutrition can

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<v Speaker 2>But not just.

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<v Speaker 3>Childhood nutrition we're talking about it was a childhood This

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<v Speaker 3>group that was eating mostly fast food had twenty percent

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very basic thing. So so whatever you feed yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>you know literally and figuratively, he really impacts your your humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned feeding your brain different information sources. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do try to listen to a range of opinions

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<v Speaker 1>make a point sometimes when I'm driving and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>to give my hour to the other side. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see how they're doing this story. And I'm always shocked

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, wait a minute, maybe I'm a centralist.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's beautiful because this allows us to have free

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<v Speaker 3>expression and freedom of speech, and that is very important

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<v Speaker 3>so that we can discuss the differences rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 3>shout at each other or one more before we go,

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<v Speaker 3>one more, one more, one more for you to remember,

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<v Speaker 3>for all those people who are thinking about the cognitive

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<v Speaker 3>decline while they are getting older, there is a study

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<v Speaker 3>which shows a twenty one year old study, so they

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<v Speaker 3>were four over people for twenty one years when they

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<v Speaker 3>discovered that partner dancing is off the charts in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of prevention of the dementia. Forget cross puzzles, forget playing chess,

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<v Speaker 3>forget playing golf, Like nothing compares with partner dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, my jaw just fell on the table because in

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<v Speaker 1>August I got married to a Dominican man who taught

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<v Speaker 1>me to salsa dance. And now we go to all

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<v Speaker 1>the family parties and I'm salsa dancing with my blonde

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<v Speaker 1>hair and blue eyes, and he's working me.

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<v Speaker 3>So you'll be in great physical and mental shame. You

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<v Speaker 3>new were all to days.

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<v Speaker 2>Well ya, little review.

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<v Speaker 1>Feed your brain, different information sources, feed your brain healthy

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<v Speaker 1>vegetables and lean proteins. Travel the world so you can

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<v Speaker 1>learn about different cultures and take up some partner dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, where can people get the book?

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<v Speaker 3>It's available on pre sale from Amazon. Its official launch

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<v Speaker 3>date is twenty second of June, so you can you

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<v Speaker 3>can get it on probably two days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great, you're going to send me a copy because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read every word of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Homo idiotticus idiot idioticus homoidioticus subtitle Why we are stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can do about it? Jasari, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for being with us.

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<v Speaker 2>What a treat.

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