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<v Speaker 1>This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya. Hi this

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<v Speaker 1>is Shannon, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey girl, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great? How are you? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Could be better?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe adjusting the microphone just as you hit record.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm struggling with chords over here.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but everything's going good. Had a great day.

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<v Speaker 1>Visited the parents visited, very nice, great grandma and great

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<v Speaker 1>grandpa Levi and I did, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing great, good things. What about you?

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<v Speaker 1>How was your day? My day was good. I worked

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<v Speaker 1>sports from home today and fucking eight If an eight

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<v Speaker 1>hour day didn't last for sixteen hours, I swear, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it felt like today. I sent eighteams message

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<v Speaker 1>to some people that I work with today and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's only two thirty six, and then like the crying

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<v Speaker 1>emoji because I just was like, I can't fucking believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's only two thirty six, because I swear it was

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<v Speaker 1>seven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Days like that are insane. It's like being on another

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<v Speaker 2>plane of existence.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not that I'm not busy, because I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I have tons of work to do, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>was like I was ready for this day to be

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes afore I woke up.

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<v Speaker 2>So tgif yes, tgif.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoo. So I am going to tell you this crazy

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<v Speaker 1>story today, and before I get into it, if everyone

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<v Speaker 1>can hit the subscribe or follow button, that would be wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you the story about Michael Douglas Shaver.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born January fourteenth, nineteen eighty two, making him Capricorn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in upstate New York and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a brother, Brian, and a very overprotective sister, Stacy. Michael's

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<v Speaker 1>mom was a single mother, so oftentimes Stacy would step

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<v Speaker 1>in to help with anything that needed to be done

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<v Speaker 1>around the house. Growing up, Michael enjoyed making his own

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<v Speaker 1>drum set out of things like tupperware and buckets. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he would learn to play the guitar. He, along with

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<v Speaker 1>his friends around the neighborhood, formed a little band of

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<v Speaker 1>their own called Rifles in Dandelions, which was a play

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<v Speaker 1>on guns n' roses. Nice. Michael, from a young age

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<v Speaker 1>was a fairly decent mechanic. He was able to fix

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<v Speaker 1>anything and everything around the house. His grandfather was the

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<v Speaker 1>same way, so it was always thought that Michael inherited

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<v Speaker 1>that gene. Neighbors would give him various things that needed

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<v Speaker 1>fixing and he'd happily help them. He was even known

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<v Speaker 1>to have built an airplane in the backyard with a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and the airplane was completely made out of wood. A

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<v Speaker 1>family member said that if he had gotten his hands

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<v Speaker 1>on a motor, he would have flown away. While Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was still in high school, Not only did he become

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<v Speaker 1>infatuated with the learning to fly a plane, he also

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<v Speaker 1>became infatuated with a young girl named Laurie Paddleford. He

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<v Speaker 1>and Laurie had basically grown up together in the Utica,

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<v Speaker 1>New York area, and even from middle school, Michael had

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<v Speaker 1>his eye on Laurie, and his crush developed as they

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<v Speaker 1>made their way into high school. The only thing Michael

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do was to figure out a cute, cool

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<v Speaker 1>way to ask Laurie out on a date. His best

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<v Speaker 1>friend helped him come up with an idea. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the idea. Michael was going to ask her out

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<v Speaker 1>to the song I'll make love to you by boys

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<v Speaker 1>to men playing in the background. Oh my gosh, I

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<v Speaker 1>am in love with the cheesiness of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, isn't it adorable? It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he asked her out, Laurie said yes, and the

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<v Speaker 1>two became inseparable. They dated throughout high school and they

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<v Speaker 1>were really excited to get married after graduation. Throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>duration of their wedding ceremony and reception, no one could

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<v Speaker 1>wipe the smile from Michael's face. His biggest dream had

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<v Speaker 1>come true and he had married the girl that he

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<v Speaker 1>had fallen in love with at the ripe old age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen. Laurie was all that Michael had ever wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two of them were so excited to start

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<v Speaker 1>their life together. After the wedding, Michael got his commercial

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<v Speaker 1>pilot's license and he had even gotten a job at

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<v Speaker 1>Piedmont Airlines. He loved every single second working as a pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would always take his friends up in the

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<v Speaker 1>sky every chance he got. Not long after Michael had

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<v Speaker 1>secured his dream job at Petemont Airlines, Laurie became pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>first with a girl named Isabelle and soon after a

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<v Speaker 1>son named Aiden. When the happy couple became parents. They

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<v Speaker 1>decided to relocate to Clermont, Florida. They purchased a five

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<v Speaker 1>acre property in the more rural area of Clermont, and

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<v Speaker 1>the family would live quiet and peaceful life surrounded by hills, lakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the love of wildlife. They eventually would buy some chickens,

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<v Speaker 1>some guinea hens, some turkeys, and a couple of ducks.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, Michael got a job for a local

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<v Speaker 1>flight group called Precious Medal. He worked as a mechanic

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<v Speaker 1>and the pilots would perform all over the United States

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<v Speaker 1>in races along with air shows. While with Precious Medal,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael became a volunteer pilot with the group so that

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<v Speaker 1>he was able to go up into the sky. These

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<v Speaker 1>races are often compared to NASCAR racing, but obviously race

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<v Speaker 1>cars are on a closed track and these races are

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<v Speaker 1>airplane flight races, so kind of similar, but just up

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky as a huge scale called the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>up in the sky on a closed course. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they had like a carry off, yeah, an area

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<v Speaker 1>that was probably you can't see it, I guess, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm trying to like picture it.

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<v Speaker 2>But there something aviation where a designated air space that

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<v Speaker 2>they're allowed to be in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, and the planes would race at over five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles an hour and they remained fifty feet off

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, so they were not really high up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who participated were just adrenaline junkies, to say the

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<v Speaker 1>Those who worked closely with Michael at Precious Metal would

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<v Speaker 1>always describe him as a genius when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>his mechanic skills whenever he would touch a plane. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael stayed away for three days at a time working

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<v Speaker 1>as a pilot mechanic, so I guess it's his schedule

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like how firefighters have, or they'll go

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<v Speaker 1>to the station and sounds like it. They lived there

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of days, yeah, and come home and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So Laurie took care of the kids and she worked

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<v Speaker 1>from home for an insurance company. Biko was a great

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<v Speaker 1>father to Isabelle and Aiden and knew he was missing

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<v Speaker 1>out on quality time and memories with his kids, so

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up quitting his job doing what he loved

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of fatherhood. He was able to find

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<v Speaker 1>a job with a secure schedule, and that way he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be home with his family every single night. So even

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<v Speaker 1>though he dropped his dream job, he quickly found another,

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<v Speaker 1>working for a business everyone knows and loves. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>known as the happiest place on Earth, So you guessed it.

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<v Speaker 1>He found a job at Walt Disney World, located in Orlando, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>This job was where he could still do what he loved,

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<v Speaker 1>being mechanic, but it was no longer fixing planes. It

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<v Speaker 1>was to be the mechanic for the monorail at the

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<v Speaker 1>park on the Epioge.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, he would only ever be about twenty min

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from home, and he was still able to

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<v Speaker 1>live out his dream of continuously working with his hands,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also made people happy, So I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>did you want? One day in twenty fourteen, a nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one call was placed, and it was a desperate

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<v Speaker 1>Lourie telling the nine one one operator that she was

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<v Speaker 1>on her way to the sheriff's office and that she

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<v Speaker 1>had her children with her. When the operator asked Laurie

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on, she replied that her hand was

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding from a domestic violence dispute. While that was happening,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael phoned a neighbor. He asked neighbor to come by

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<v Speaker 1>the house because he needed help, and when the neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>got to the house, Michael was completely covered in blood.

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<v Speaker 1>His clothes had been ripped to shreds, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>blood pouring down his face. The neighbor's only thought was

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<v Speaker 1>to take as many photos as she could of what

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<v Speaker 1>she had walked into, just in case. This neighbor had

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<v Speaker 1>often heard many arguments coming from the Shaver home, and

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes they were screaming and yelling. Laurie, while on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone with nine one one, said she and Michael were

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<v Speaker 1>fighting a lot up to that point, but their fights

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<v Speaker 1>had never gotten physical until then. Most people thought that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the marriage was on the rocks. Whenever Laurie was

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<v Speaker 1>asked by friends and family previously if everything was all

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<v Speaker 1>right between her and Michael, she almost acted like she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what they were talking about, like everything was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of them put on a happy face, not seeming

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<v Speaker 1>that they had any troubles, so those who knew them

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really notice, but they also didn't know, like is

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<v Speaker 1>everything all right with them? So you know, they're not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the same happy couple who had fallen in

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<v Speaker 1>love in middle school? Or are they at each other's throats? So, Laurie,

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<v Speaker 1>while still on the phone with Diamond one, said that

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<v Speaker 1>she had grabbed Michael's gun and whacked him over the

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<v Speaker 1>head with it. He had the pistol okay. After that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>she grabbed Isabella and Aiden and left as quickly as

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<v Speaker 1>she could. The operator asked if Michael was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who pulled the gun on her, and she said, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>She only had used force, I guess to get the

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<v Speaker 1>According to Michael, she was the person who had initiated

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<v Speaker 1>all of the beating him with the gun that she

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<v Speaker 1>and Laurie had been in a pretty physical altercation and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife had threatened him with the gun. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>did she threaten to kill him, she had also threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to kill herself as well. Laurie told the nine one

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<v Speaker 1>one operator that the two of them had consumed three beers,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael admitted that he had taken the car keys

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<v Speaker 1>from her to prevent her from drinking and driving with

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<v Speaker 1>their children in the back seat. Both she and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>said it was Laurie who had struck him in the

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<v Speaker 1>head with the thirty eight caliber revolver, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>left on their butt inside the home. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was arrested for grabbing Laurie by her arm and

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<v Speaker 1>he was charged with battery, and after that the marriage

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<v Speaker 1>just was never the same. Those who knew Michael said

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<v Speaker 1>he never raised his voice and would have never yelled

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<v Speaker 1>at her, let alone beat her physically. Michael had even

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<v Speaker 1>gone over to his mother's home a few times with

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<v Speaker 1>bruises on him, and when his mom asked him what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael would respond with Lurie got mad. In the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty fourteen, the judge from their domestic violence case

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<v Speaker 1>granted Laurie a no contact order against Michael and he

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<v Speaker 1>had to move out. Michael stayed in the hangar at

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<v Speaker 1>Precious Metal, as there were showers inside the bathrooms there.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who were close to him said that Laurie kicked

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<v Speaker 1>even though there was still the no contact order in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie was playing mind games with him, and while she's

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<v Speaker 1>She denied it, though, but the neighbors would see men

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<v Speaker 2>That's genius. I think I would do that too.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know all day exactly exactly. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>The communications with his family was rare up until that point,

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<v Speaker 1>come true. In November twenty fifteen, Michael, Lourie, and the

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<v Speaker 1>shown off. Cool. Yeah, that specific tractor show. The tension

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<v Speaker 1>between Michael and Laurie was so thick that you could

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<v Speaker 1>And then, you know, in the middle of this tractor show,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, Michael told his friends that he

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the last time that anyone would ever

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<v Speaker 1>lay eyes again on Michael. Two days later, Michael's coworkers

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<v Speaker 1>received a really odd text from him, and in that text,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael said he was no longer coming to work and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was planning on moving away to Georgia. His

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't respond, even after hearing that his mother was sick,

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<v Speaker 1>people who knew him best began to worry something was up.

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<v Speaker 1>Some close friends of his even log down to their

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook accounts and noticed they weren't even friends with him anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>so why is he unfriending them? They didn't have falling

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<v Speaker 1>out here. This man was dependable for years and then

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<v Speaker 1>he's just going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Blow off this now he can't be reached.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's going to blow off this job at

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World out of the blue. And it was just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be more dependable as an employee as the sounds like,

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to be a husband, a dependable father.

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<v Speaker 2>A husband. He was how his family would say.

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<v Speaker 1>It was never like him to do that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just it was just really odd. When Michael's boss reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to him, Michael's boss received a text back that said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>back end quote. His coworkers all thought that was really

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<v Speaker 1>weird because he wouldn't just leave a job without saying

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to anyone. He had friends, everyone had known him

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<v Speaker 1>and grown to love him because of his dependability and

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<v Speaker 1>his personality skills, yeah, his skills. His coworkers were just perplexed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they had no idea what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just gone. Everyone began to have their own

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<v Speaker 1>suspicions and draw their own conclusions. Soon after, Michael's friends

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<v Speaker 1>began to get text messages from his saying that he

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want anything to do with anyone that he

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<v Speaker 1>knew and loved. According to the texts that were sent

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<v Speaker 1>from his phone, he didn't want to be found by

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who knew him, and he was just done with

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<v Speaker 1>everything and everyone. Obviously, his friends his family are saying

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<v Speaker 1>these are out of character, this is bullshit. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>his niece even received a text message that said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a family anymore. I have no clue

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<v Speaker 1>who you are, so stop messaging me. End quote. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so red flag. It's like, oh, he

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<v Speaker 2>has his phone? Who has Michael's phone?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Frank, one of Michael's friends and a coworker at

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<v Speaker 1>Epcot that he was the closest with, decided to drive

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<v Speaker 1>by his house to see what was going on. When

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<v Speaker 1>he got to the house, Frank was confused when Laurie

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie where Michael was, and she said he's just not home,

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<v Speaker 1>but his car was in the driveway, and Laurie kept

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that Michael was at home. She went on to

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<v Speaker 1>say that the two of them had gotten into a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad argument and he had stormed off. He then

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<v Speaker 1>got picked up in a black suv and he just

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<v Speaker 1>never came back home. She said that he caught a

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<v Speaker 1>ride with his friend Robert and that the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them decided to just go to Georgia. They were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>move up and move okay. Frank thought that the entire

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<v Speaker 1>communication with Laurie was weird because not only did Michael

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<v Speaker 1>never wish to leave the state of Florida, he also

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<v Speaker 1>never wanted out of his marriage with Laurie. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to leave his kids, and everyone that he knew

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<v Speaker 1>knew that. Yes. Stacy, Michael's sister, sent Laurie a Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>message asking where her brother was, and she just replied

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<v Speaker 1>with quote no, he left end quote, and she went

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<v Speaker 1>on to say that he left his children with her

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<v Speaker 1>and that he wasn't paying any child support. This was

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<v Speaker 1>do anything like that because those kids were two of

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<v Speaker 1>the most important people in his life. Michael wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>never left this job at Disney World to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia to start completely over without his kids or his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and at some point his sister Stacy and his brother Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>They just didn't know what to think. While Stacy became angry,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian just thought maybe Michael did need some space and time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who didn't need space and time? Ri. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she moved on without a second thought, and she began,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone yet. Yeah. She began a data man named

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Townsend. The two had met at a park where

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<v Speaker 1>they gave each other their phone numbers. When she began

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<v Speaker 1>dating Jeremy, though, she was also telling her friends that

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<v Speaker 1>Michael was harassing her. Laurie and Jeremy didn't work out, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to know why. Jeremy was married to

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<v Speaker 1>another woman, Vanessa. One day, while Vanessa was at work,

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<v Speaker 1>she got a random flower delivery, and with the delivery

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<v Speaker 1>was a card. The card said quote roses are read,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's are blue. My wife is a whore. Your husband

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<v Speaker 1>is too end quote. The car was signed sorry about

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<v Speaker 1>this like your Facebook message, We need to talk Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>So Vanessa did as the card said, and she went

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook to check her messages. She then found a

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<v Speaker 1>message from Michael saying, quote, I believe your husband is

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<v Speaker 1>having an affair with Mike soon to be ex wife

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. He then told Vanessa that he had installed

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<v Speaker 1>some spy software onto his wife's phone, then sent screenshots

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<v Speaker 1>of text messages that had been sent between Laurie and Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's affair with Laurie obviously came to a screeching halt

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and Jeremy went back to Vanessa in hopes

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<v Speaker 1>of working things out between them. Glori began dating someone

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<v Speaker 1>who would become her next husband, and this guy's name

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<v Speaker 1>was Travis Filmer, who was a youth group leader at

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<v Speaker 1>the local church in the area. Travis looked an awful

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<v Speaker 1>lot like Michael, and he fell head over heels for

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them. Were married on December thirty first,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, which I'm not sure how that happened if

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<v Speaker 1>she never got a divorce from Michael, but what Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The wedding took place in Laurie's backyard, the same house

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<v Speaker 1>she had once shared with Michael. It was a small ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>but Travis was really happy. Laurie had spent so much

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<v Speaker 1>time fixing up the backyard for the ceremony. She even

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<v Speaker 1>the backyard for the ceremony, she and Travis actually utched

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<v Speaker 1>their initials into the concrete while it was still wet

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<v Speaker 1>like it was literally like this fire pit, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was to symbolize their love and affection for one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after the two were married, Laurie told Travis

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<v Speaker 1>that she was pregnant. Travis was over the moon with

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<v Speaker 1>excitement because all he had wanted to do was be

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<v Speaker 1>he knew she was going to be a great mom.

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<v Speaker 1>As Laurie was building a new life with Travis, Michael's

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page was still active and were made here and

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<v Speaker 1>there saying he was working on internal struggles and that

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<v Speaker 1>he just wanted to be left alone. Michael's friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>who hadn't seen him since he allegedly walked out on

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<v Speaker 1>all their lives, Yeah, just thought this was obviously was

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<v Speaker 1>strange again that you know, they hadn't heard from him,

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<v Speaker 1>but here he is posting on Facebook. At least two

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<v Speaker 1>years had gone by without anyone seeing him in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Brian, Michael's brother, had known something was up when

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<v Speaker 1>a text came over that was from Michael's phone and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael had called him bro and he had never called

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<v Speaker 1>him that before, so none of this is adding up.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's childhood best friend, Scott had received a phone call

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<v Speaker 1>from someone who had been over to Michael and Laurie's

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<v Speaker 1>house shortly after he had left his family, and it

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<v Speaker 1>apparently walked out on them. On the phone call, Scott

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<v Speaker 1>left them to go start a life in Georgia, all

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<v Speaker 1>of Michael's belongings were still in the home, and with

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<v Speaker 1>his belongings obviously was his cell. Phoned his w in

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<v Speaker 1>his car, but Laurie stuck to the story that Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten into a black SUV and never came back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott even went on Facebook after not logging on for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and he went onto Michael's profile. He noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that Michael's profile picture had been changed that same month.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the beginning of twenty eighteen at this point, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>He zoomed in on the photo though he noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>The odd thing about the photo was that Michael was

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere in the picture. It was just a random picture

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<v Speaker 1>that was uploaded from somewhere, so somebody had changed his

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<v Speaker 1>profile picture and why wasn't Michael in it? Yeah, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had only ever posted photos of himself and others while

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<v Speaker 1>recent posts were anything like that. Once again, something was

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, the police were called and sent to

421
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<v Speaker 1>Laurie's house to do a wellness visit on Michael. And

422
00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.359
<v Speaker 1>it was Michael's childhood friend Scott who called the cops

423
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>since he also lived in Florida. When Scott got a

424
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<v Speaker 1>hold of the local police, he filed a missing person report.

425
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Scott was able to convince the local authorities that there

426
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<v Speaker 1>was something that needed to be looked into immediately. When

427
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.279
<v Speaker 1>the police got to Lourie's house, she repeated the same

428
00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>exact thing. Her husband had walked out of their lives

429
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 1>without a single trace. She said she had no clue

430
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.079
<v Speaker 1>where he went. The police then asked if they could

431
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.599
<v Speaker 1>search the property, and at first Laurie was very cooperative

432
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and allowed the officers into the backyard, but once they

433
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>asked if they could bring in the canine unit, she

434
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.559
<v Speaker 1>said get out and come back with a search warrant

435
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<v Speaker 1>on March ninth, twenty eighteen, the police brought in caidaver

436
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.079
<v Speaker 1>dogs to the property and searched for Michael. And when

437
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the dogs got to the property, they stopped at a

438
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.200
<v Speaker 1>concrete slab which was the same concrete slab that had

439
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 1>LORII and Travis's initials marked on.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, fire pit.

441
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the fire pit and yep, the foundation of the

442
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.599
<v Speaker 1>fire pit that Laurie had made in preparation for her

443
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>marriage to Travis. Detectives tracked down that friend that Lurie

444
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>had Saiden Michael had gotten into the Blacky sv with

445
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that was Robert. Robert had an interview with detectives and

446
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.640
<v Speaker 1>he said at that time he had a Mitsubishi Gallant

447
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 1>which was a sedan and the color of the car

448
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.039
<v Speaker 1>was blue. So obviously our girl Lourie was.

449
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Full of shit. Yeah, for sure.

450
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<v Speaker 1>The police began excavating the property and they ended up

451
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 1>finding Michael's skeletal remains under the cement. Wow. It was

452
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>discovered that he had been killed from a single gunshot

453
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.319
<v Speaker 1>wound to the back of his head. There was remnants

454
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of the bullet that came from a thirty eight caliber Revolver,

455
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<v Speaker 1>the same gun that Louri had owned and whacked Michael

456
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.319
<v Speaker 1>over the head with previously. He was buried wrapped in

457
00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>a fitted sheet, wearing only a pair of airpostyl underwear

458
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and under armor athletic shorts along with a pair of socks.

459
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Remember that Louri and Michael had owned all types of

460
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.599
<v Speaker 1>different birds around their five acre plot of land. Remember

461
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I told you there was chickens and docks and yeah,

462
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Laurie had always wanted a duck pond for the ducks

463
00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:20.559
<v Speaker 1>to live in. And this was around the time. Remember

464
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.759
<v Speaker 1>they were having these marital troubles and Michael would do

465
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>just anything for her. Yeah, he knew that she could

466
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of Michael wanting to save the marriage, so

467
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 1>she asked him to dig a hole for him to

468
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>create a duck pond. But little did Michael know that

469
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 1>he was digging his own grain.

470
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<v Speaker 2>That is diabolical. Isn't it a one of the British hunt?

471
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:46.559
<v Speaker 2>What a cunt of Isn't that terrible?

472
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

473
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>My goodness.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Michael's neighbor was the one who told police that all

475
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to do was to make his wife happy.

476
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<v Speaker 1>After Michael was killed, Travis was the one who poured

477
00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 1>the cement to then make that hole into a fire pit.

478
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Travis had no idea he was pouring cement over Michael's

479
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>dead body, and Michael was only thirty three years old

480
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>at the time of his murder. Laurie was able to

481
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>dodge law enforcement until they could find enough evidence to

482
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Speaker 1>pin Michael's murder on her. Since he was murdered leaving

483
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.160
<v Speaker 1>his phone accessible to Laurie, she was the person who

484
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>was sending the text to all his friends and family,

485
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:28.400
<v Speaker 1>basically telling anyone everyone to never come looking for him. Yes,

486
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 1>also had been the one who had been in control

487
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 1>of his Facebook account and so Yes, this even included

488
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 1>her own self sabotage about her relationship with the married Jeremy.

489
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.640
<v Speaker 1>She was the one who sent the flowers to Vanessa's work,

490
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 1>stating that his wife was a whore along with Jeremy,

491
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.319
<v Speaker 1>so Laurie literally called herself a whore.

492
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>No way, oh my gosh right, craziness. That is crazy.

493
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<v Speaker 1>In September of twenty twenty, Laurie was finally charged with

494
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Michael's murder. He was charged with second degree murder along

495
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 1>with being an accessory after the fact, and she was

496
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>released on fifty two thousand dollars bond. Four years later,

497
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.200
<v Speaker 1>on September ninth, twenty twenty four, she finally stood in

498
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 1>front of a jury for Michael's murder. Crazily, Laurie's defense

499
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 1>team tried to blame the shooting and killing of Michael

500
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 1>on their daughter, Isabelle in a May twenty twenty three motion.

501
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 1>She was only seven years old at the time, but

502
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 1>she was fifteen when she took the stand. Isabelle took

503
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 1>the stand it admitted she accidentally fired a gun at

504
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>her father while he and her mother were getting physical

505
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>with one another. Isabelle also told the jury that a

506
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 1>family friend, her mother's current boyfriend, Jeremy, also used a

507
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>firearm against Michael right after isabel claimed she did. Jeremy

508
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 1>eventually testified and said he never once came into contact

509
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with Michael at any point, and that appeared to be

510
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the truth. So I think isabel was lying for her mother,

511
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.599
<v Speaker 1>of course she was. Many of Michael's friends and former

512
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>cohor testified that Michael was one of a kind. He

513
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>had a great heart and tried to see the good

514
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 1>in everyone. They told the court that Michael was the

515
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>one who had been fighting to save the marriage with Laurie,

516
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>although it had been rocky. Laurie's attorney said that her

517
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 1>acts against Michael were because of the fact that she

518
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>had gone years and years and during such violent abuse

519
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>from Michael, and according to her attorney, the violent acts

520
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>against her were severe. Laurie said that she had been

521
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>locked in a closet at one point and that she

522
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>was physically beaten bloody by Michael. Those who were closest

523
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>to Michael always said that Laurie did everything she could

524
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to try to get the public to believe that Michael

525
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 1>was abusive toward her, but he could never hurt anyone.

526
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 1>He was a good man, and the accusations against someone

527
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>who was no longer able to defund himself was a

528
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty below the belt blow. Michael's siblings have come forward

529
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 1>saying that they always thought that Laurie did everything she

530
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>could to control Michael and she was actually the abusive

531
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 1>one within their marriage. Stacy even said that he wasn't

532
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>allowed to speak with her on the phone for exist

533
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>spended periods of time. She said that to Laurie, talking

534
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to Michael on the phone for twenty minutes was completely

535
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 1>out of the question. The prosecution proved Laurie tried to

536
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>pin everything on her daughter Isabelle. Not once was Isabelle

537
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 1>brought up in the entire investigation until Lourie's defense team

538
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>attempted to get Isabelle to lie for her mother to

539
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>save her. Finally, on September thirteenth, twenty twenty four, Laurie

540
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>was convicted after a four hour deliberation by the jury.

541
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.359
<v Speaker 1>She's guilty of second degree murder, but she was acquitted

542
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 1>of the accessory charge. After the guilty verdict, Michael's family

543
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 1>released a heart wrenching statement. They said their lives have

544
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>been so difficult to maneuver since the disappearance of Michael

545
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>back in the fall of twenty sixteen. Since that day,

546
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 1>they never stopped searching for him, and not a single

547
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>day had gone by that they had stopped thinking about

548
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>him in his beautiful, caring heart quote on behalf of

549
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 1>the shaver Of family. We are very grateful to be

550
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 1>standing here today to recognize the guilty verdict against Lourie

551
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>end quote. They I knew that the verdict could never

552
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>bring Michael back, but after all that time, the vertical

553
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>was the closure they needed to be able to move

554
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>on in a positive direction. On November twenty sixth, twenty

555
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Laurie was sentenced to life in prison for

556
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 1>the murder of her husband and the father of her children.

557
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>As of January twenty twenty five, Laurie was incarcerated at

558
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the Florida Women's Reception Facility without any visitation rights and

559
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>no possibility of parole. I love it.

560
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I love to hear that.

561
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I know right well, and that's just terrible. I mean

562
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>everything about it. Diabolical having your daughter life for you.

563
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:43.039
<v Speaker 1>How much lower can you go? I know, when your children,

564
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>it's about the lowest. And then have your kid take

565
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 1>the murder rap Yeah, for you, and you're the one. Absolutely,

566
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>I believe the Michael's siblings viewpoint of she was she

567
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Laurie was the abuser, don't I'm likely physical if she's gonna,

568
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, pistol whip him. Who does that to a

569
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>person just has no sympathy or empathy, just coldly using them,

570
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the father of your children. I just know she had

571
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 1>no you know, respects, not just for him, like because

572
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>he's so nice and great just as a human life.

573
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>I feel so bad because he sounded like a really

574
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>great guy, sound like a cowboy yeah right, like yeah,

575
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>he just you know, he just wanted to take care

576
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>of his wife and his kids. And I don't know,

577
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, I always tell people like, just get a

578
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>divorce if you're not happy, like yeah, Laurie, just sit

579
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>down and be like Michael, I don't want to be

580
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 1>with you.

581
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And I know you just I know you are head

582
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>over heels in love with me. And that's just a

583
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>hard conversation.

584
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>It's done.

585
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I will not be happy with you, okay, right, Like

586
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 2>just do it. People banding.

587
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to have to share my kids. Trust me.

588
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>When you share your kids, you're gonna have so much

589
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>time to your you're gonna love it.

590
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you work on yourselves, well.

591
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean you'll have some free time and they'll they'll

592
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>be get their other parent living it up, and just

593
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, look at it that way exactly. You need

594
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 1>to have your child with you twenty four seven, like

595
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>it'll be okay, yes, And it's just hard when someone

596
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 1>is yes, totally nice.

597
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Long weekends, those are nice.

598
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 1>You need those as an adult parent for sure, right,

599
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>but that's just crazy and then oh my gosh, to

600
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 1>pour the cement and put their initials in who know,

601
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and she knows he's under that summont. Like you said,

602
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 1>it was fucking diabolical.

603
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>It is who does that? Why?

604
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Who deserves that? These are he fathered your kids, your

605
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 1>kids are half him. That should be really really a

606
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>cool thing because you're a part of it too, you know.

607
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>But you know he dug that duck pond and she

608
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>put his fucking body in there, like damn girl, and his.

609
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Energy is I love my LORI.

610
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 1>I know she's sipping her coffee looking at him dig

611
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like sucker.

612
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, how terrible?

613
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Fuck her?

614
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. That's what I'm like. I love how the

615
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>British speaks.

616
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'll cross the pond and grab a word or two.

617
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, thank you Shannon for.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hi, thank you for bringing that story.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you everyone for listening to this week's story too.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, perfect, all right, Miss Shannon, I will see you

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<v Speaker 1>at the next recording.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great. Queen, you have a great week. Thanks, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a great week. Adia.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone have a wonderful week. See you, love you, Bye bye.
