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<v Speaker 1>The separation of religion and government. It's a phrase you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard a say at the start of basically every show

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<v Speaker 1>we've run for years, But what does it really mean?

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<v Speaker 1>As part of the mission statement of the ACA, and

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<v Speaker 1>it represents our support of the establishment clause of the

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment of the United States, that not only should

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<v Speaker 1>the law be protected from the overreach of religion, but

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<v Speaker 1>religion itself be protected from the overreach of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a concept that's so important that your

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<v Speaker 1>forefathers fought a war of independence against mine to enshrine

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<v Speaker 1>it into law. And now I am here among you.

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<v Speaker 1>I live under the auspices of that document and will

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<v Speaker 1>one day swear an oath to protect it. So while

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<v Speaker 1>I may debate epistemology with a believer as to the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why they believe, if they hold that concept to

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<v Speaker 1>be true, then I will stand priorly shoulder to shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>with them in defense of people's right to believe what

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<v Speaker 1>they wish without the interference of the law, and with

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<v Speaker 1>the right of Christian nationalism in the halls of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Make no mistake that the battle lines have been drawn,

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<v Speaker 1>that it behooves those of us that care not only

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<v Speaker 1>about the freedom from religion, but the freedom of religion

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<v Speaker 1>to act decisively and be proactive. Less complaisance be our undoing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you believe in contrary to us, that God's

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<v Speaker 1>law is sovereign over man, that we should live by

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<v Speaker 1>scripture rather than reason, and that justice is the sole

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<v Speaker 1>domain of the divine, then you should call us because

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<v Speaker 1>the show starts now.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello everybody. It is January nineteenth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I am objectively Dan. Joining me today is Jamie the

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<v Speaker 2>Blind Libby and you're watching Talk Heathen. We are a

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<v Speaker 2>five or one C three nonprofit organization. What's that not

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<v Speaker 2>talk either the Atheist Community of Austin nonprofit organization dedicate

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<v Speaker 2>to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism, and

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<v Speaker 2>the separation of religion and government. And of course, to

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<v Speaker 2>Talk Heathen is in fact a live call in show

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<v Speaker 2>created by the Atheist Comedy of Austin, which is live

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<v Speaker 2>right now and has open lines, so you should definitely

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<v Speaker 2>check that out if you want to talk to us,

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<v Speaker 2>it's five one two nine nine one nine two four

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<v Speaker 2>to two, or you can call to your heater a

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to us because we have some open lines

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And another way to support the show, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have it already, is by giving us super chats.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get it in the in the chat, then

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<v Speaker 2>we will you know, read some of those out loud

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<v Speaker 2>as the show goes on. I don't think we have

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<v Speaker 2>a super chat challenge for today, but we're always looking

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<v Speaker 2>for new ideas for that. So if you guys have

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<v Speaker 2>an idea for a super chant challenge, you know, give

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<v Speaker 2>us a comic blow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I've got one, you got one. I was

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<v Speaker 1>challenged on the last show that I did to say

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the longest city name this town name

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, and I messed it up. But I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>it now, So if you put in ten super chats,

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<v Speaker 1>then I might say it at the end of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're lucky, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think we're doing We're doing ten super chants of five

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<v Speaker 2>dollars or more, five dollars more, we'll get done. How

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<v Speaker 2>does that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Cool? So yeah, that's it. That's it. We're good.

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<v Speaker 2>We are live or ready to go. Jamie the Blind

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<v Speaker 2>Limey joining me today. What's up? Jbie?

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<v Speaker 1>I am I found. I am Schroding as influencer. I

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<v Speaker 1>am both cringe and based at the same time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just waiting for the waveform function to collapse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's how long were you sitting on that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you definitely didn't just come up with that on

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<v Speaker 2>the spade. That was that was too thought out.

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<v Speaker 1>I prepare for these shows. I'm just sitting there, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what weird thing can I say to put my co

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<v Speaker 1>host off their game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty weird thing to say. That's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing to say, I'll be honest, So you got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Good job with that. You know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>talk right now because of the TikTok band that's currently happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So my hope with that is that because TikTok isn't

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<v Speaker 2>accessible to at least folks in the US that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll come watch our show instead because they got nothing

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<v Speaker 2>better to do on a Sunday afternoon today, Right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, come talk to us and let us know

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on just you know, religion and the like.

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen this show before, you know, we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's going on, So I do see that

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<v Speaker 2>we at least have one caller that is almost ready

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to us. Not quite, but we do have

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<v Speaker 2>open lines, so you know, give us a call if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to chant. Otherwise it's just going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the Jamie and Dan shooting the shit show, which is

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<v Speaker 2>its own separate could be podcast, but is it generally

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<v Speaker 2>the point of talking in generally we talk about other stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, basically as the cold open things like me, Angie,

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<v Speaker 1>Me want talk people who are like all up in

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<v Speaker 1>the whole God is better than the government kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I am afraid, I truly am afraid of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen over the next few years. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it when I say I'm going to swear that

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<v Speaker 1>oath I will become a citizen in the near future

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<v Speaker 1>because I am tired of being a passenger on this

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<v Speaker 1>train and having no say on when I get off,

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<v Speaker 1>when I get on, what happens on it. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>an appreciation for your for bears who said no taxation.

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<v Speaker 2>With that representation, you're going to go against your your ancestry,

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to go against.

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<v Speaker 1>Your British I've chosen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here worshiping ancestors.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here on purpose purpose. You can't get rid of me.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to deport me. But she's actually far more

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<v Speaker 1>likely than.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, he said it to me, he said it

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<v Speaker 2>on me. We have to deport him now. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's going on happen, I think. But anyway, eight folks,

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<v Speaker 2>Talkith and it is called Talk Heathen to Me, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is where we get to ask you guys a

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<v Speaker 2>the best answers from that. Last week, we asked you

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<v Speaker 2>sin is to God as what is to what? And

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<v Speaker 2>here were our top three answers for that. Number three

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<v Speaker 2>comes from Mount Taylor Paul. I'm assume it's Mount It

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<v Speaker 2>could be Empty Taylor Paul, but I like Mount Taylor Paul's.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go with that. Who says sin is to

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<v Speaker 2>God as raisins are to raisin bread. They're baked in

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<v Speaker 2>heart of the recipe, They're meant to be there. Raisins

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<v Speaker 2>are good, thanks j Mike. And you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>do like raisin bread and I do like raisin cookies.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people aren't about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Life on oatmeal raisin better than the chip, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will do you like it better than childish?

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<v Speaker 1>I will done on that hill anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Well, you know you can find about

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<v Speaker 2>that in the comments. I suppose to see if we're

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<v Speaker 2>wrong about that, But I don't know if i'd say

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<v Speaker 2>it's better, I'd say it's good, though I do like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two comes from house Bells, who said sin is

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<v Speaker 2>to God as CrossFit is to brow dudes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, there's a lot, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how I feel about that because CrossFit isn't It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just a bro dude thing. I think you see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people across the gender spectrum comitt it's a CrossFit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always just the most annoying people, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the common denominator.

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<v Speaker 1>I have opinions on CrossFit, but I won't share them

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<v Speaker 1>because rich coming from someone who looks like a clear

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<v Speaker 1>plastic bag full of vanilla pudding. So I'll keep my

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<v Speaker 1>moving to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a free country. You can say what

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<v Speaker 2>you want, unless it's on TikTok, right, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just do what you want with that. Number one this

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<v Speaker 2>week comes from Life Crowther, who says sin is to

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<v Speaker 2>God as lightning rods are to Benjamin Franklin. That might

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<v Speaker 2>be Leath Crowther actually, but I don't know. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sin is to God as lightning rods are to Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that a myth? Is that one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that you hear about well later was totally BS?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say so, because the whole like I held

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<v Speaker 1>a key up in a light, put on a kite,

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<v Speaker 1>like if he got show, he'd be very, very very dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's gotta be not real that you always

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<v Speaker 2>hear these stuff about the not presidents, because Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>was a president, but like you know, founding Fathers, about

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<v Speaker 2>all these cool shit that you did, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>hear you you know, realize like half of it is BS.

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<v Speaker 1>They down the cherry tree, and yeah, topically it's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, Like was Jesus real? Maybe? Did he come

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<v Speaker 1>was was George Washington real? Probably?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's true about Benjamin Franklin though he was

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<v Speaker 2>into mills.

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<v Speaker 1>You French Mills specifically, he was super into that, which

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<v Speaker 1>I respected.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he like wrote he was doing the red

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<v Speaker 2>Pill stuff like like giving advice to people about how

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<v Speaker 2>to date when. But it was exclusively for cougars. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't for like any other, you know, kind of person.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, outside his spaghetti was buttered.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, shout out to Benny Frank. You think I think

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<v Speaker 2>you think that Benfamin frankl was around today. You think

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be like an Elon Musk type or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think he'd be like a like a red Pill.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a bit more sort of enlightened than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he'd definitely go on the Joe Rogan podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>joke Oh dude, yeah, yes, that's all he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Frank, Benny Frank on Joe Rogan. I can see it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, wow, such times, such times we live

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<v Speaker 2>and anyway, let me let me check, let me check.

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<v Speaker 2>We do have some people that want to talk to us,

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<v Speaker 2>and we should probably talk to them, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this is a call in show, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think before I do that, though, I should give

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<v Speaker 2>the prompt for next week, because I almost didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>that and the problem for this next week, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to participate and have your comment read out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>is if the New Testament were a comedy, how would

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<v Speaker 2>it have ended? So leave your best answers below. If

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament were comedy, how would it have ended?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? Jamie, do you have an answer

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<v Speaker 2>for this one?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since my favorite version of the Bible is the

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<v Speaker 1>King James and that was brought out at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time as the Bard, then it would end with a wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a literary joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I got that, do I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I just dumb? Do I not understand Shakespeare?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I'm sorry. I'm not as culture as

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<v Speaker 2>I was so busy thinking about the hypothetical Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan podcast. I think I think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>Give him ten dollars who said I would watch the

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie and Dan Shooting the Ship podcast? Hey, there it

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<v Speaker 1>Not enough. Yeah, dude's doing podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a new market. No one's ever done that before.

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<v Speaker 2>When I whenever I tell people, well, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, you know, you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be that guy. There's such variance

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a lot of I don't know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>what can you do about that? But anyway, I think

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<v Speaker 2>start you want to go more topical, let's do I

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<v Speaker 2>guess a topical one. I'm not sure how much this

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I don't know. We do talk about freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of speech a lot. But here's Dave calling in from California.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants to talk to us a bit more about the

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok band. Dave, you are live on talk Heathen. What's up?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey? Thanks for having me today.

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<v Speaker 5>I heard you were short on collars, so I figured

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Jamie, nice to talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you know me. How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>Fine? I have I have learned to recover from a

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<v Speaker 1>compressor stall in the fourteen and so I'm quite good anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>What's on your money, ma'am?

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<v Speaker 5>It sounds like you really need my h you really

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<v Speaker 5>but my uncle said he wanted to wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>In the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Also found out another thing I have in common with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's another one for the raising over chocolate chip.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very this is a very segmented bias

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<v Speaker 2>they would go the other way. You know what you like,

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<v Speaker 2>what you like, and that's love, baby, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so all right, Dave, what you got retarding the TikTok.

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<v Speaker 5>Regarding the TikTok ban, I feel like it is more

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<v Speaker 5>of a political power play than anything else, especially considering well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean because they had the vote in Congress, but uh,

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't that Congress. It was enforcing any kind of ban.

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<v Speaker 5>TikTok specifically said we're going to go dark on Sunday

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<v Speaker 5>unless Biden assures gives gives them some kind of assurance

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<v Speaker 5>that he's not going to enforce it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if you heard, but right now as we're speaking,

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<v Speaker 5>the ban is in the process of being lifted because

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<v Speaker 5>deal with it. So again, it was it was all

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<v Speaker 5>just a power play. It's all just a fucking move

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<v Speaker 5>to to just just they were just trying to show

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<v Speaker 4>Not like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the thing is is that I very much

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<v Speaker 1>am opposed to the TikTok ban I post on there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm an opponent of it now. Of course, like

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<v Speaker 1>all social media, it's a corporate entity, and like we

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<v Speaker 1>can't lionize them too much, you know. But my experience

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok has actually been quite relevant to my work

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<v Speaker 1>here with the ACA, because a lot of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I have been experiencing are live broadcasts of Christians

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<v Speaker 1>and Muslims trying to do debates. Maybe that's just my algorithm,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of people on there are religious. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people on there are trying to engage with

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<v Speaker 1>the public on things, and I would defend that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to put people down who want to

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<v Speaker 1>try and share their beliefs on this thing. I'm happy

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<v Speaker 1>for them. It also gives me. It gave me and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully willing the future, gave me a vector to engage

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<v Speaker 1>each and to try and you know, come at it

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<v Speaker 1>from the other side. Because of course I'm here in

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<v Speaker 1>the show kind of in a position of power almost,

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<v Speaker 1>like people call into us and we can put the

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<v Speaker 1>phone down on them and it's our show. I like

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<v Speaker 1>the dynamic where I am calling into them and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to defer to them because that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm hoping that TikTok does stay so I can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to engage with religious people in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm up two minds about this because of one,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Dave.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, no, by all means I I was just saying,

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<v Speaker 5>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>That's literally all I was saying, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah. So like, I'm up two minds of this

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<v Speaker 2>because on the one hand, TikTok is an absolute hellhole

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<v Speaker 2>of misinformation, of dangerous stuff that has definitely gotten people

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong idea about literally everything. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like, you know, like it is. Rather here

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<v Speaker 2>have I'm circling. Here's how I'm making this this square

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<v Speaker 2>circle and making this part of talk. He either okay, talk.

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok is one of the mediums by which the atheist

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<v Speaker 2>community of Austin gets its message out there. Right, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to compete in the marketplace of ideas just like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else, right, and taking that medium away takes away

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<v Speaker 2>a very specific demographic not me. I don't really go

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok, But there's a billion other people that go

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok. And Richard, our show producer, is doing lives

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<v Speaker 2>even today before the show on TikTok, like he does

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<v Speaker 2>every single Sunday, because that entices people to watch and

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<v Speaker 2>get involved and be a part of the conversation. So

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<v Speaker 2>like this sort of top down approach, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that it's oh, it's for security is absolute, you know, bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've been to Europe, okay, and when you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Europe and you log into any website ever, they

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<v Speaker 2>ask you all the things that they can take your

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<v Speaker 2>information for because they actually have regulations for that shit here, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have any of that kind of stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. So it's it's never been about that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always in a little bit more of a scare tactic,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, for Chinese influence and stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, there's a lot more of that than than

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the reasons that go out there. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's very silly. We'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 2>with it, but yeah, I don't know. Somebody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get accolades for this, and it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the people we like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the thing that kind of annoys I.

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<v Speaker 5>I was also talking with a listen promised the other

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<v Speaker 5>day on this one on joot Gum because the conversation

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<v Speaker 5>about pornhub got brought up and that porn hub is

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<v Speaker 5>banned in Florida. But I was trying to add a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of corrective information there. It's not that porn

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<v Speaker 5>hub was banned in Florida. Porn Hub pulled out of

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<v Speaker 5>Florida unintended. Ronda Santis just signed bill into law requiring

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<v Speaker 5>porn distributors to verify age via having users upload their

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<v Speaker 5>driver's license and requiring distributors to track that data, and

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<v Speaker 5>Pornhub said, no, we will not track user data this

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<v Speaker 5>way you can go without porn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and for good reason. I mean, server side verification

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<v Speaker 1>tools of that nature are building a database of people's

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<v Speaker 1>personal information and driver's licenses is just an invitation tackers.

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<v Speaker 1>Porn Hub and sites like it that are making a

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<v Speaker 1>stand on this are in the right in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>because user side age verification is what should be being

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<v Speaker 1>done from an Internet security standpoint, and again it's the

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<v Speaker 1>puritanical overreach is the saber rattling, It's the whole, like

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<v Speaker 1>wagging the finger. And again this is why, again to

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<v Speaker 1>reference the cold open, this is what I'm fearing from

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<v Speaker 1>the encroachment of Christian gin specifically, but religious in general

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<v Speaker 1>elements into the way that our lives are being dictated

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<v Speaker 1>by law. And like, i feel like I live in Mordor,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm four miles away from the Capitol building of Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>the reddest spot on the map, and I'm like, we

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<v Speaker 1>should do something about it. So I'm hoping that through

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<v Speaker 1>our work here we can have some kind of impact

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<v Speaker 1>to get like the puritanical, the dogmatic out of the

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<v Speaker 1>law and bring reason back in so we can make

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, you haven't been living in this country long enough.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think that's going.

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<v Speaker 1>To happen, allow me to have a tiny shred of

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<v Speaker 5>I did, though, think that this was a great highlight

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<v Speaker 5>of the hypocrisy of these same puritanical law makers, because

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<v Speaker 5>the same people who are rattling their sabers against this

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<v Speaker 5>the TikTok and how China might be collecting our data

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<v Speaker 5>are trying to enforce our own companies to collect data,

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<v Speaker 5>so they care about who collects data as long as

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know that that's part of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like the the whole hypocrisy stuff. Nobody cares about that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. Nobody cares. Everybody's ay procrit everybody's doing

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<v Speaker 2>dumb stuff. Like the bad part about this is that

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to see this band and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>even going to know who to blame. They are. They're

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<v Speaker 2>already shifting you know, uh, recently on the TikTok app,

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<v Speaker 2>they already changed the message talking about how the president

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<v Speaker 2>elect Trump is going to you know, try to fix

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<v Speaker 2>things or whatever they put that messaging on there. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just reporting what they're talking about here. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>even you know, that's that's a narrative within itself that's

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<v Speaker 2>already going to be pushed out there, regardless of it's

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<v Speaker 2>truth value, right, Like, it doesn't matter. We're not a

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<v Speaker 2>country that does research. Yeah, we're not a country that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to figure out the truth of things or

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<v Speaker 2>recent things out and figure out who's doing what. We're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to see the headlines and that's it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how most people are, at least half of people make

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<v Speaker 2>their decisions around here, and that's the reality that we

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<v Speaker 2>a sad prospect, but I just think is the truth

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<v Speaker 2>that we live in right now. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do about that. I don't think. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we can be the saviors of that. Unfortunately, we

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<v Speaker 2>can do what we can. But well, you guys really

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it and bitch about it on podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what we do with we can. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything overtly really just does come up in legislation,

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<v Speaker 1>which I anticipate it will, that's when we can step in.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the ACA has a specific mission and a

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<v Speaker 1>specific remit and an abounding box in which we can operate.

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<v Speaker 1>But within that I think that it behooves us again

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<v Speaker 1>to be proactive. If if it's over, we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 1>putting God's law into your law. And that's why you

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<v Speaker 1>can't look at boobs or whatever. That's something we can

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<v Speaker 1>fight against. That's something we can stand up against, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a frivolous concept. But we are looking at people

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<v Speaker 1>justifying the degradation and denigration of marginalized people LGBT and

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<v Speaker 1>trans community and atheists and other religious communities because book

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<v Speaker 1>says so, because God says so, and that's where we

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<v Speaker 1>can be a bullwark against that. And I'm hoping, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that it doesn't happen, that we don't have to,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it does, I'm happy to step in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, we'll keep it volt.

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<v Speaker 5>In two thousand and three, I voted for Larry Flint

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<v Speaker 5>in two thousand and three. I thought he had the

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<v Speaker 5>best ideas for the First Amendment at the time, but

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<v Speaker 5>I was nineteen, so I had other reasons for for

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<v Speaker 5>for liking Hustler at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's just say, I don't know. People have

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<v Speaker 2>made worse decisions than nineteen maybe so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day, but I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all the time that we got for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Any any any last words you want to add before

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<v Speaker 2>we let you go today.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? Nah, it was a great call.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me, and I hope you guys have

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<v Speaker 5>a great rest of your show.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, thanks so much, Dave, appreciate you calling in. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, it is the reality we live in. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to navigate our political conversations very carefully because we

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<v Speaker 2>are a product of if I have a one C

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<v Speaker 2>three nonprofit organization, so you know we are polity is

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<v Speaker 2>already limited.

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<v Speaker 1>We're politically neutral, we don't we don't approve of or

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<v Speaker 1>denigrate any particular party or person, but we do have

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<v Speaker 1>opinions on standpoints, especially as it comes to when religion

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<v Speaker 1>gets involved. And that's where I'm going to be pointing

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<v Speaker 1>my site if it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, TikTok is the reason why people are

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian, TikTok is the reason why some people became atheists.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big mover in shaper in regards to people's

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<v Speaker 2>personal beliefs, not just religious obviously, but political and otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>So that censorship that taken away of that is it

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<v Speaker 2>is a big deal. It does affect us. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad we could talk about it, but it does make

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<v Speaker 2>me feel very powerless talking about these things.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of make you feel quite impotent when we

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<v Speaker 1>scream as one thousands, thousands and thousands of voices all

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<v Speaker 1>united and are completely ignored.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but you know what, I do have the power

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<v Speaker 2>to do, James, What's that It's picked the next call

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<v Speaker 2>that we should talk to but before we do that,

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<v Speaker 2>we should actually read a couple of super chants that

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<v Speaker 2>also came in in between that time, one from Herbie Schein,

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<v Speaker 2>who gave five pounds and said, I love, yes, love,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie's sense of humor, always so funny, silly and clever,

487
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<v Speaker 2>always makes me laugh at unexpected moments. What a nice

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<v Speaker 2>comment you got there.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice. I agree with one of those three. I

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<v Speaker 1>am very silly.

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<v Speaker 2>We got another one, a dollar ninety nine from Jonathan Franz,

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<v Speaker 2>who said, I love Jamie's sense of humor even more so.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Jamie, You've got a lot of positivity going

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<v Speaker 2>your way. Yeah, a lot of pressure you Okay, don't

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<v Speaker 2>fuck up now, all right? You understand you got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep me in funny, all right, or you're that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>You're ound.

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<v Speaker 1>I reserve the right to completely flame out and freak out.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, well if you say so. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>being said, before I keep going as well, I should probably,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, talk to you guys a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other stuff that we got going on

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<v Speaker 2>here as well. If you want to help the show

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<v Speaker 2>in the many different ways that you can help us.

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<v Speaker 2>One of it is through taking in flyers. Yeah, flyers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the thing that people still look at sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to post any flyers in your community

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<v Speaker 2>with that community's permission, of course, if you go to

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese dot cc slash ACA flyers, we do have printable

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<v Speaker 2>flyers to get more people to call them to the

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<v Speaker 2>show and defend their faith. You know, come talk to

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<v Speaker 2>us about it. Make us Christians? Why not? Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you do post any flyers, be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>snap a picture of it and send it to TV

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<v Speaker 2>at Atheistizing Community dot org and we can feature some

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<v Speaker 2>of that in you know, an upcoming show. So do

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<v Speaker 2>that if you want to get more callers in, especially

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting callers. Right, so interesting calls, I should say,

520
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<v Speaker 2>all of our callers are interesting. Okay, let's make that clear.

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<v Speaker 2>We always have the we always have the best calls. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm not gonna do that, but no, I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That frame make us Christian does. Like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things about religious people that I am insanely jealous about

525
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<v Speaker 1>is that the fact that they can think it's all

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<v Speaker 1>part of the plan, like God has a plan for us,

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<v Speaker 1>like even through the worst of times, it's for a reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't bring myself to believe that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, no, I that's the thing, like, if God's real,

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<v Speaker 2>at least at least I want to know about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, why not try to convince me of that?

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<v Speaker 2>But also real quickly, I should say, we have merch

534
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<v Speaker 2>if you want to support that as well, T shirts, hoodies,

535
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<v Speaker 2>crop tops, you name it, chiny dot cc slash merch

536
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<v Speaker 2>Aca if you want to check out some of that delicious,

537
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<v Speaker 2>delicious talk Heathen Merch. I know it's January now, but hey,

538
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<v Speaker 2>it's not too late to send that Christmas gift to

539
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<v Speaker 2>the person you forgot about if you want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>make it up to them some way. Talk Heith and Merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Great way to do it. Last but not least, Just

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<v Speaker 2>a reminder for folks to like and subscribe and do

543
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<v Speaker 2>all the fun stuff that YouTuber's tell you to do

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<v Speaker 2>because it does help us out in the engagement and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting our word out there, getting getting the

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<v Speaker 2>good word out there, I'd say, right. But anyway, with

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, let's talk to our next caller. We

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<v Speaker 2>have Danny, who wants to talk to us from Virginia. Danny,

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<v Speaker 2>you are alive on talk Heathan, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Not the much man?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, just just calling in, guys, got a pressing

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<v Speaker 6>question for you. I just wanted to know what's so

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<v Speaker 6>bad about God? You know, I've been watching you guys

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<v Speaker 6>show for a while and you guys seem to have

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<v Speaker 6>a very strange attitude towards the Lord. And now was

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<v Speaker 6>just wondering why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think somebody who would you have it if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>killed thousands of people on their own whim would you

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<v Speaker 2>be would you find it strange if somebody said that

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, odd or weird or wondering why that

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<v Speaker 2>should be? Because I don't think so. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody killed a bunch of people, you should question that

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<v Speaker 2>person's character. You should probably say, hey, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't something that we should look towards or worship towards.

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<v Speaker 2>But that seems to be what Christians do. And God is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not only responsible for the death of not tens,

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<v Speaker 2>not hundreds, but thousands of people and if you add

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<v Speaker 2>it up right, potentially millions. So that's one thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I don't actually believe God is real, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be if he was real. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the main problem of course we have as atheists is

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't have a lot of reasons to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>believe that he's real in the first place. And if

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<v Speaker 2>he was real, then he'd probably be a moral monster.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably would be somebody that we wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the same side with. Anyway. He seems to

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions that would be morally questionable to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people, such as myself and other non believers. So

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<v Speaker 2>what reason it's not to like God? There? What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think?

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<v Speaker 6>So that argument is completely absurd, and I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 6>why in a second. So you have to understand that

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<v Speaker 6>even though he God, or you're saying he killed thousands

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<v Speaker 6>of people with there's just there's just no evidence for that.

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<v Speaker 6>But if he did, he also gave birth to billions

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<v Speaker 6>of people. So if we're talking about somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>That gives birth is okay with killing other people, then

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<v Speaker 2>if I if I give birth to billions of people,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay if I kill other people.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what's a couple of thousands here and there? I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>if you're actually like actually like growing human beings and

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<v Speaker 6>making more human beings, than.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a couple of thousand here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you please, what's a couple?

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<v Speaker 2>What's killing a couple thousand people here and there?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You're making more people every end? Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I I just think that's absurd, right, And the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>for God killing people, by the way, he is in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, right, Like, if you're a Christian anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>who God is, And if you believe the words of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, then God has killed people. That's not even

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<v Speaker 2>a contestable fact really, like that's just already present. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that logic is absurd. I think if you

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<v Speaker 2>value human beings and if you think killing people is

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<v Speaker 2>generally wrong, I don't see how giving birth or creating

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<v Speaker 2>more people justifies you killing people. That doesn't really make sense.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's in that positive though, That's like billions

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<v Speaker 6>over thousands of people is.

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<v Speaker 1>In that positive. So, Danny, Danny, are you a believer?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a theist? Do you believe in a God

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<v Speaker 1>at least? Okay? Cool?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So to us, God is a fictional character. But the

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<v Speaker 1>importance of God is that people believe that he's real,

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<v Speaker 1>and their beliefs inform their actions and The thing is

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<v Speaker 1>is that the character of God is portrayed in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible and also the Quran and many other scriptures, is

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<v Speaker 1>a morally reprehensible being, precocious, jealous, rage for pride, for inconsistent,

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<v Speaker 1>and to modern believers, he's an absentee father. He came in,

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<v Speaker 1>did some shit, and fucked off, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where he is anymore. The problem of divine hiddenness is

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<v Speaker 1>always with us. And so when people justify their own bigotry, hatred,

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<v Speaker 1>violence because God said so, and they do now and

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<v Speaker 1>in the history we do not countenance it. There are

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<v Speaker 1>so many things that have happened because God said so,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just an excuse for the worst parts of

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<v Speaker 1>humanity to come out. The battlefields of the history are

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<v Speaker 1>littered with the bodies of young men who thought God

631
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<v Speaker 1>on their side. So why should we give any reverence

632
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<v Speaker 1>to this concept that is God when it's been you

633
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<v Speaker 1>to do pinous things for thousands of years.

634
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<v Speaker 6>Saying so, what we're trying to say is that God

635
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 6>is simply causing war without reason? Is this correct?

636
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Not God causing war. People believing in God, well, I

638
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>often do things in act because of their God, believe

639
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>that God is on their side in any conflict.

640
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

641
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God can no more cause wars than Optimus Prime

642
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 1>can because they're both fictional characters as far as I

643
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>can see.

644
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 8>Well, that's not true.

645
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, evidence please.

646
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 6>Evidence for God not being for God being true.

647
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>For God being real? Yeah please?

648
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Well, okay, I'll give you this. So if you

649
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 6>go for three days, and I guarantee you haven't done

650
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 6>this before, if you go for three days, you get

651
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 6>down on your knees and pray, God will reveal himself

652
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 6>to you. Done it to me, He's done it for

653
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 6>other callless theists. Have you actually gone for three days

654
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 6>on a retreat and in your humunity in your final

655
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 6>hour of the three days, has God revealed himself to you?

656
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:52.720
<v Speaker 6>Can you answer that?

657
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Please?

658
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Been a Christian for more than half of my life,

659
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>and I used to serve in ministry where I would

660
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>work at church camps, for example, and spend entire summers

661
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>literally worshiping God five days out of the week and

662
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>praying every single day in not just with myself, but

663
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 2>in accordance with other Christians. And God has never shown

664
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<v Speaker 2>me any definitive signs of his existence.

665
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 6>It just sounds like, you know, you weren't really devoted

666
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 6>to the faith.

667
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Ah, there it is, there it is. I wasn't a

668
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>good enough Christian. And that seems to be the case

669
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<v Speaker 2>for every single person who's ever left Christianity. Isn't it

670
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that they're just not good enough Christians? They just haven't

671
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 2>prayed hard enough, or they haven't just done the right things. Unfortunately,

672
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 2>this isn't an issue just with Christianity. Muslims also make

673
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 2>the same excuse for people who leave Islam. Mormons do

674
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Right. Scientologists even have a version of

675
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>this where they don't you believe in stuff hard enough?

676
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is just an excuse rather than actually

677
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>showing definitive proof. Because if God was real, I think

678
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that would be universal. I think that would be an

679
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 2>experience that would be accessible to anybody. It's not like

680
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Jesus was walking around invisible to some people who wasn't

681
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.319
<v Speaker 2>believing it him right, Like, allegedly he was a real

682
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>person that walked around and did the stuff that he done.

683
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't see why why God couldn't do the same thing.

684
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Why is he only accessible to those who have to

685
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>pray for him? For three days straight, rather than just

686
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 2>make himself known. It doesn't make sense to be And

687
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 2>here's why, it's because he's probably not real. I think

688
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a figment of people's imaginations. I think it's a

689
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>figment of people's devotion to something and wanting to believe

690
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in something greater than themselves. And you know, I think

691
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:26.079
<v Speaker 2>that's just the reality we live in.

692
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you think that's called special pleading. You're just you're

693
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 6>specially pleading here. I hate to break it to you,

694
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 6>but what do you mean?

695
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:37.079
<v Speaker 1>What what? We're not special bleeding? That's the purview of

696
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the religious, The whole the universe must have a start.

697
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>But God doesn't have a start that coming.

698
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>He literally gave you an example of my devotion. And

699
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>rather than accepting it as oh, maybe this is counter

700
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>evidence to anything I've ever claimed here, you're just saying, oh, well,

701
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you didn't do it right, you didn't do it hard enough.

702
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>And the fact is, like, I'm not the only person

703
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>who's ever claimed to have ever been a Christian either.

704
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 1>How many how many people have died in with God's

705
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>name on their lips, praying, crying out for relief. How

706
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:10.039
<v Speaker 1>many parents wishing that their child wasn't sick bringing up prayers.

707
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 1>But nah, God's just gonna let them die of that

708
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>glioblastema because it's all part of the plan in it,

709
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 1>it's all God's will, because it's all very convenient. If

710
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you pray and you don't get an answer, it's because

711
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.119
<v Speaker 1>you didn't believe hard enough, or there's a reason for

712
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>it or mysterious ways. Never an explanation, never an actual reason,

713
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>just you weren't good enough and we don't accept that.

714
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 1>And if God is real and that's how he operates,

715
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that he hears the cries of the faithful and ignores

716
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>them for some grand plan, then I will walk backwards

717
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 1>into hell with both of my middle fingers up, knowing

718
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that my sins are far less than his.

719
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so you think you're so araorful, you know, you

720
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 6>think you're so cool walking backwards, you think, But in reality,

721
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 6>the tree you're just putting in hell, it's not gonna

722
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 6>be worth it. Give you two seconds and they'd be like,

723
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 6>oh my God, please please let me come back. Please, Like,

724
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 6>let's be honest here, and no one's gonna be happy

725
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.599
<v Speaker 6>in hell knowing that they're better than God. All right,

726
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 6>that's absurd, completely absurd. Come on, you're're honest here, we're

727
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 6>talking about it, eternal torture, and you're gonna be happy

728
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 6>being there knowing that you're better than my God?

729
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding me?

730
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 2>So? Is this where we're laying at that? Oh? No,

731
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 2>you're not really gonna be happy. We're in hell instead

732
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.760
<v Speaker 2>of the whole like whether God is even real thing?

733
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Going there anyway, I can't stop it, Like if I

734
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>don't believe in God, I go there, so I may

735
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>as well make the best of it as I can.

736
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 6>You're gonna make the best of it. You're gonna make

737
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 6>the best of having your toenails ripped off at every

738
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 6>moment in aching pain. Bro. Yeah, of course, Yeah, you're

739
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 6>so dishonest. It's just sad, honestly, honestly, just quite sad.

740
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Wow, the condescension is strung with this one.

741
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>So do you are you gonna show us why we

742
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>should believe in God or.

743
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll believe the hell is actually real? I mean that

744
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>you can no more threaten me with Hell than with

745
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the flipping shadow realm, Like it's a it's a fake place.

746
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 1>It's in the imaginary place. And also which hell I mean,

747
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>are you certain that your god's the real one, because

748
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of options out there.

749
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 6>Well, I believe. I believe in the in the nine

750
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 6>Layers of Hell. I believe in Dante's Inferno interpretation of Hell.

751
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 6>I believe that you go from limbo to like the

752
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 6>nice eight years or whatever, which aren't you guys, by

753
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 6>the way, and then you go to lower down a

754
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 6>little round.

755
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I think this guy's trong. It's a little bit. Yeah,

756
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Dante's Inferno is a story. It's not scripturally accurate. It's

757
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 1>actually basically a roast of certain popes and the like.

758
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>So if Dante's Inferno is your idea of Hell, then

759
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.440
<v Speaker 1>my idea of Hell is I don't know robot Hell

760
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.840
<v Speaker 1>from future Ama, because they're both as fictional as each other.

761
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.000
<v Speaker 6>I do believe that, But that's besides the point. That's

762
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 6>a whole other argument.

763
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>To be honest with you, why do you believe we

764
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know? Please tell us what what scriptural evidence is

765
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>there that Dante's infer which is our story. It's a

766
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 1>it's the story book. It's actually fan fiction, like I'm

767
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>going to go through Hell with my favorite poet from

768
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Greek history inspired and you're gonna have to give us

769
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>some evidence of that, chief, you know, yeah.

770
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I I honestly no, no, let's I'm gonna cut to

771
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 2>the chase. I think you're a troll. I don't think

772
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>you're a real person. If you want to be sincere

773
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>in your beliefs, you have thirty seconds to prove that

774
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 2>to me or less. Otherwise I'm just going to drop

775
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the call. Now.

776
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, so you see don is infernal? Was ah?

777
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, yeah, it's not even real. All right? Well, by.

778
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>If you silly, if you can give us something better

779
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 1>than that, and you can try and call us back,

780
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.559
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise we'll just.

781
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Keep brand standing and just talking about how we'll stick

782
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 2>our middle fingers up and walking backwards in the hell,

783
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 2>you know every time. I guess I don't know, this

784
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 2>is silly. What do you do with that? What do

785
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.280
<v Speaker 2>you do with that? Jamie?

786
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean that I have noticed that

787
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>there is an uptick in trolling callers to shows, our

788
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>shows and shows like them, And I think it's just

789
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 1>because after all this time, the believers that know that

790
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>they are only working on their own personal revelation and

791
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have no evidence to give us. I'm just afraid to

792
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 1>call in because they know they're just going to be

793
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>asked for something that they can't give. And the only

794
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>ones that are left of the people who want to

795
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>just have a bit of screen time and pocus and go. So, yeah,

796
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it's disappointing the lowering of the caliber of interlocutors that

797
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>we are working with now. And it would be a

798
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 1>shame if shows like ours became less necessary, not because

799
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 1>we'd solved any problems, is just because everyone else is

800
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>either too chicken shit too silly to actually have a

801
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>decent conversation.

802
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Probably, So it's a real shame. But I want

803
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you to talk to you. Are no next callers here,

804
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so let's uh, let's hopefully get a real call here.

805
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 2>We have one from Steve who's calling in from Nebraska,

806
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and I hope Steve is being sincere here here in there.

807
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Believe Steve, you're alive on talky then, can you hear us?

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00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Happy MLK weekend everyone, Hi Dan and Jamie for

809
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 4>allowing me this calls to present the trees and craters

810
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 4>of evidence justsing a mile high. The Biblical flood occurred

811
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 4>approximately one thousand, eight hundred years ago.

812
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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, lay it on me thick here.

813
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 2>So there's trees and there's craters, and somehow that's evidence

814
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>for a mile high flood forty eight hundred years ago.

815
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 4>Right the measure of the mile high the local bludge

816
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.199
<v Speaker 4>extent determined where the personally plugged olive branch returned to

817
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 4>the ark by O's terrier doub Gage's water levels elevated

818
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 4>near the world's most highly elevated olive trees, situated five

819
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 4>thousand feet above sea level. A mile high biblical flood

820
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 4>occurring roughly four thousand adred years ago is pevoted by

821
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 4>the fact every four eight hundred plus year old tree

822
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 4>alive today recently lived half deca millennium age three is

823
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.320
<v Speaker 4>rooted at least a mile the sea level, these trees

824
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 4>being bristle cone pine trees of the Great Basin and

825
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 4>cypress trees of Alisa Costego Nation noted park in today

826
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 4>or Anger a comet strike occurring roughly four thousand hundred

827
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.719
<v Speaker 4>years ago, creating Borko's Crater, Sudani's read Hills Crater, the

828
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Mohas Trader, the Camel Crater, Romguard Crater of India, and

829
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 4>the Henbury Traders of Australia evidently formed a mega tsunami

830
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.079
<v Speaker 4>wave higher than the third mile high Maga tsunami wave

831
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 4>impacting with twee O Bay of Alaska nineteen fifty eight.

832
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, let's stop right there. Let's let's go back

833
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 2>and say, so crater forming a creator in the Earth

834
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and then causing tsunamis like that, that could possibly happen. Right.

835
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 2>That's not the same thing though, as God flooding the Earth,

836
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>right and then killing all sentient life on it, including

837
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 2>the animals and whatnot, right, and then having that flood subside,

838
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and then having the Earth repopulate based on you know,

839
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>two of every species. Right, That's kind of a different thing,

840
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you agree?

841
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 4>The Bible doesn't actually Bible was global from a Noah's perspective,

842
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 4>obviously a myohile it's from you know, from Gast's perspective,

843
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 4>would would seem to be a worldwide, but actuality, it

844
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 4>would have to be a bimile high blood to be

845
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 4>truly global to cover the top of the mount ever since,

846
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 4>and and then the Bible doesn't actually uh, it doesn't

847
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 4>actually say that. The Hebrew word for earth doesn't necessarily

848
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 4>mean globe. Fact, the agent's not that the flat earthers,

849
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.239
<v Speaker 4>It's not that the globe. You know that they didn't

850
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 4>even have a concept of a global flood. Just sinking the.

851
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Earth was like well, the understanding of most, if not all,

852
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Christians specifically, and many other religions as well. Why when

853
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>asked Jews whether the Torah goes with this is that

854
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a global flood that was intended to wipe

855
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>out all of humanity barring this one family, one story.

856
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>The story goes that all humans right were crooked except

857
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.079
<v Speaker 2>for Noah's family, not just like the humans in the

858
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.199
<v Speaker 2>general vicinity, which so that would mean it would have

859
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 2>to be global because there were humans living all over

860
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the world at that point, right.

861
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Not necessarily so by every everyone. That could mean Noah's perspective,

862
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 4>and that could mean all the soum.

863
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 1>So, dude, what you're what you're doing right now is

864
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.519
<v Speaker 1>basically giving like taking the divine out of It's like,

865
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>here are some potentially naturalistic reasons as to the flood story. Thanks, dude,

866
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>you do not job for us. Are you trying to

867
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>convince us that the flood story has is basically a

868
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 1>misinterpretation of natural phenomena and is not actually God derived.

869
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Do you believe that God's real? Do you believe that

870
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>it was a divine punishment?

871
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? I believe Goa was wrapped on an island surrounded

872
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 4>by a bunch of ungrully zoophiles, and he had no

873
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 4>way off the island without putting hisself in jeopardy, in

874
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 4>his family property and livestock and jeopardy and needed to

875
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 4>be rescued. And at the same time, I believe that

876
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 4>these mistake only made these millennium passing pheno types and

877
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 4>they needed to be wiped out from the human gene pool, and.

878
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>God killed humans.

879
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so no, I think he's saying only a specific

880
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>there is a sin population with the wrong phenotypes and

881
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>they had to be ethnically cleansed in the local area.

882
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I think he's what he's saying, still, right, Steve, Yeah,

883
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>he said correct.

884
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's so wild interpretation that has absolutely no scriptural

885
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence to it as far as I'm aware, are you,

886
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I want to consult.

887
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you'd say, no, livesn't an island.

888
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>He was definitely like in the area that's now known

889
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 2>as Iraq.

890
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 4>He could have just he could have just he could

891
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 4>have just gone mountain right escaped the flood could.

892
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Logically, well, yeah, that's why, that's why you had to

893
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>build the boat to save the animals. That's what I'm saying.

894
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Like it's you know, if you want to do your

895
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 2>own spin on it, you know, that's fine, But like

896
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the narrative is that everyone dies. Everything dies, Like it's

897
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>not just a local flood, that it is everything, and

898
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>so the leftover in order to prevent the you know,

899
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 2>local life from dying, they have to build a boat

900
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 2>to save it. That's that's part of the story. So

901
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, you can make your own spin on that,

902
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 2>but like that's the story. That's how it presents itself.

903
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.159
<v Speaker 1>And if it's a Megasseudon army rather than a flood,

904
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>if it's a Megasoudon army rather than a flood, show

905
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>me the ship that can that can survive that, because

906
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the arc would be splinters by by by a wave

907
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>that i energetic, You'll be tossed like a like a

908
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 1>like a paper cup. Nothing about the story makes any

909
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 1>sense when you take into account like the laws of

910
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 1>physics for example, or.

911
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, animal, Yeah, if we're already talking about divine intervention.

912
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>There's no point talking about the physical parts of it anyway,

913
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.599
<v Speaker 2>because you can just put any inconsistency in the story

914
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 2>as part of divine intervention. So I don't know. You're

915
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 2>You're between a rock and a hard place here, Steve.

916
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Okay. So NASA's double asteroid redirection tests altered the tra

917
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 4>directory for five hundred foot long asteroid. This experiment demonstrated

918
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 4>that technologically advanced space bearing beams BORNEO space Force containing

919
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 4>half a billion ion beams Sepherd spacecraft to have indeed

920
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 4>strategically guided during the course of a century from one

921
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 4>hundred billion jet size intras Solert testimonials to first orbit,

922
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 4>thereby over precipitating in their's atmosphere and consequently fretting the

923
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 4>entire Hire Earth half a mile rainfall over the course

924
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 4>of forty days and forty nights. And this intervention with

925
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 4>a half mile way take any tsunami from prayer y coordinating.

926
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>AH charts of the Gods.

927
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Steve, I can't. I can't help you, man, I'm sorry.

928
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I think you and I Dan have spoken to Steve before.

929
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I think we may have had a conversation regarding coding

930
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>in DNA and pyramids and triangles before. If memory serves Steve,

931
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you're making no sense, mate, Like it's completely unconvincing. And

932
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>to segue to modern asteroid redirection experiments when we're talking

933
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>about biblical times, like, nowhere in the Bible does it

934
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about the rockets and shit? Man, like you are

935
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you really honestly thinking this is going to be convincing

936
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to us?

937
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 4>But the Bible is taught from perspective to the ancient

938
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 4>ancient people.

939
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in other words, not a space faring civilization that

940
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>can redirect meteors hitting the earth.

941
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.360
<v Speaker 4>Right, aliens? Yeah, they couldn't have understood that concept of

942
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 4>ancient aliens, so it's pulled from their perspective so they

943
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 4>could understand. Word.

944
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so here's the thing, and I'll leave it at this, Steve,

945
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know if I even want to go

946
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 2>down this rabbit hole with you, but I'll have you

947
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>think about this right little concept called Oukham's razor. Maybe

948
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 2>you've heard of this or not. It talks about how

949
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 2>generally the simplest solution tends to be the correct one.

950
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Not always the case, obviously, but something to think about.

951
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 2>We can either suggest that an ancient group of people

952
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 2>encountered in advanced space faring civilization that we somehow have

953
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>no real record of besides coincidental instances of ancient records

954
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and stories that don't actually depict encountering an alien race

955
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>at all, or any of its technology or an if

956
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it's culture or language or people, or a story from

957
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple thousand years ago just made some stuff up, right.

958
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm choosing the latter in that instance because that seems

959
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to cover a lot more ground than any explanation that's

960
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 2>going to involve ancient aliens of really any kind. Right,

961
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 2>And that's not just going to be true for the Israelites,

962
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.039
<v Speaker 2>that'll be true for any story from any ancient civilization

963
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that you kind of look at and go, huh, well,

964
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I wonder how that happened. I don't think Gilgamesh, you know,

965
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>got immortality by drinking you know, space potions from Martians,

966
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>you know. I just think it was a story about

967
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 2>immortality in man's quest to live long and stuff. I mean,

968
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Speaker 2>there's there's other things there. I just think there's going

969
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 2>to be a simpler explanation pretty much every time you

970
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 2>look at this. But I don't know, Steve, maybe you

971
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 2>don't find that convincing. I'll give you a few seconds

972
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to respond here, but quite frankly, I don't know. I

973
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know if there's anything else to say.

974
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 4>We have all these trees and cragers of evidence in

975
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 4>the time frame and when the biblical what happened. We

976
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 4>have these forty eight hundred year old creators, all of

977
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 4>these I mentioned how the trees that are older than

978
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 4>forty hundred yours only exist a way up elevation we are,

979
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 4>so there was a stray blud that happened.

980
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Also have evidence, Steve that people make shit up, you know, right,

981
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>we'll just make up stories, right, people have stories and

982
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>cultural stories.

983
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you're stacking. You're stacking assumption over assumption, over assumption,

984
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and none of the evidence that you're giving us actually

985
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 1>indicates what you're saying. So some trees that are higher

986
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 1>up are you're saying, there's no trees on lower levels

987
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 1>that are that are older than than forty eight hundred

988
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>years I mean Sequoia redwoods are Like, there's trees out

989
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 1>there that like ten thousand years old. It's nuts.

990
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 2>You're also talking about trees in other locations that aren't

991
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>like in the Middle East, Yeah, which is presumably where

992
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the story takes place, and if this is also a

993
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>story about a local phenomenon will simultaneously also being a

994
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.880
<v Speaker 2>global flood thing. Like it's not really making any sense that.

995
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Has both divine and naturalistic explanations that also involve aliens.

996
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Just this is a fever dream man. I don't know

997
00:50:58.880 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>how to engage with it anymore.

998
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nothing, Steve, All right, Well, anyway, I'm gonna let

999
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you go regardless because I don't think I can help you.

1000
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe send a tweet to Marjorie Taylor Green

1001
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and she might retweet you. But we can't help you,

1002
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like, that's that's beyond, that's

1003
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>beyond first of all, beyond the scope of talk hethen

1004
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 2>but also just like beyond the scope of just reality.

1005
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like we got to start from some basics here.

1006
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>We can't just jump into aliens. Did everything well that

1007
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 2>at least establishing that aliens or even first of all

1008
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 2>a thing, second of all, make contact with humans. Third

1009
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of all, like interacted with us in such a way

1010
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 2>that influenced the Bible and presumably other world cultures. So yeah,

1011
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, We're in fantasy land now.

1012
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 1>So it just has the stench of post hoc rationalization,

1013
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I believe that ancient aliens are God, and I

1014
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>will fit this narrative into that box from l or

1015
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 1>high water put intended.

1016
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just And this is my problem with the

1017
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy crowd, because I engage with them a lot, and

1018
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:07.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just like it's never it's just open mindedness enough

1019
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to like not think things through all the way, right.

1020
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like people like the idea of rejecting mainstream narratives,

1021
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>but they don't like like fleshing it out all the way.

1022
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 2>They just want to have enough information to I don't

1023
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 2>know if it's just to prove other people wrong or what.

1024
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just like just a strange thing that some people

1025
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>are just interested in. I don't know. I don't have

1026
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 2>all the answers there. What I do know is that

1027
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>we have some super chance that I should read out

1028
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that we've been given since last time we read some out.

1029
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 2>One comes from Rainbowolf, who gave four ninety nine and said,

1030
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Anubis revealed himself when I got on my knees, he

1031
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 2>shined and showed me all that he can. He dances

1032
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.760
<v Speaker 2>in the sand and blesses the Holy land. I feel like,

1033
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>is this a song lyrics? I believe this is a

1034
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>song lyrics that I'm not familiar with. Do you know this, Jami? Okay?

1035
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, if it is song lyrics, thank you

1036
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 2>for the song lyrics, that sounds really cool. If it's

1037
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>not song lyrics, you should write song lyrics because those

1038
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 2>sound like they would be. But yeah, I think this

1039
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 2>is going back to our previous caller with Danny the

1040
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:06.920
<v Speaker 2>whole you know, we got to get on her knees

1041
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>for three days in pray, I guess which he was

1042
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.079
<v Speaker 2>a troll, But there's people who ironically believe that sort

1043
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of thing. Of course, another one from Nero and who

1044
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 2>gave Nero? And then there's a symbol that don't know,

1045
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that symbol is, but I've seen

1046
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 2>it before. But I'm just gonna say Nero gave five dollars,

1047
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 2>said Danny, you're gonna be happy and have it, knowing

1048
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 2>people are being eternally tortured, channels ripped off forever. Look

1049
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 2>at what you're calling good for fuck's sake. And yeah,

1050
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it's silly, obviously, you know. Danny was later revealing the

1051
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>call to patrol probably should have been obviously in the beginning.

1052
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:37.840
<v Speaker 9>But.

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00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>It's been said by by other hosts one of the

1054
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>shows that while it's difficult, we have to we have

1055
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to give the benefit of the dam to people calling in.

1056
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.639
<v Speaker 1>They may be honest. Now Poe's Law is there, and

1057
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 1>we do have sort of like we get the troll

1058
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of sense coming in. But when you're on this

1059
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:58.400
<v Speaker 1>side of the camera and I'm in the audience on

1060
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>some of these shows, all it's very easy to do that,

1061
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>but when you're on this side of the camera, you

1062
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have to give them the benefit of the dam to

1063
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:07.840
<v Speaker 1>just try and engage.

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00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.800
<v Speaker 1>And like you say, Dan, like there are people out

1066
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 1>there that believe these kinds of things for real, And

1067
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 1>so while the troll themselves maybe trying to have a

1068
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 1>bit of a laugh, we can still use them as

1069
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>an object lesson as to yeah, these ideas are still bunk,

1070
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and let's tell you why.

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00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. It just it's just, uh,

1072
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's unfortunate. I'd rather talk to people who

1073
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.559
<v Speaker 2>are being real, yeah than anything. But we can't always

1074
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 2>get what you want, but you can try. Sometimes you

1075
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>might find that you get what you need. Ladies and gentlemen.

1076
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the closest that greg our producer will ever

1077
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 2>let me come to reproducing song lyrics, because he will

1078
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 2>yell at me otherwise if any if even so much

1079
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.679
<v Speaker 2>as a pitch change in my voice comes out, that's it.

1080
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>No singing, no single loud. We can't let the copyright demons,

1081
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, haunt our videos.

1082
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>You go to amiss that much. The YouTube's annoy is

1083
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a bit hat trigger. So we got to be careful.

1084
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk to another caller though, shall we. We

1085
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:11.920
<v Speaker 2>have Eduardo, who I just recently spoke to on Truth

1086
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Wanted on Friday, calling in again on TALKA that it

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00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.880
<v Speaker 2>is called in Talkithen before EDWARDO from Brazil live on

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00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Talk Heathen. What's going on? Eduardo? You are live? If

1089
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you can there, we go Hello, Eduardo?

1090
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:23.719
<v Speaker 8>Did you hear me?

1091
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right, we can hear you. Now, what's up?

1092
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:30.679
<v Speaker 8>I think it's okay? So you'll for a question out there.

1093
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 8>I don't even know if you remember doing that for

1094
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 8>a question, as do. I saidistic call If if I'm

1095
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 8>a lawyer, would I accept the same kind of evidence

1096
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 8>that I accept for spiritism?

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00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I said that. After our we had a conversation for

1099
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 2>those who aren't familiar, a conversation on truth wanted and uh,

1100
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 2>we talked to you, talked about your evidence, and I

1101
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>was surprised by the caliber of your evidence. And after

1102
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.199
<v Speaker 2>the call, I made the comment, because you had mentioned

1103
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 2>you were a lawyer, that if you were to present

1104
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the evidence you gave me in a court of law,

1105
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.920
<v Speaker 2>if you thought that would be acceptable evidence. So I'm

1106
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.920
<v Speaker 2>curious to see your response to that is.

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00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 8>Incredible as it may seem to you, is actually yes,

1108
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 8>there's actually precedent for that here.

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00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 10>And uh, but so so, just to just to reiterate,

1110
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 10>because the evidence you gave me, we were talking about reincarnation,

1111
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 10>and the evidence you gave me, Eduardo was well, you

1112
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 10>know how sometimes you meet somebody and it feels like

1113
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 10>you've known them their entire life.

1114
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.599
<v Speaker 2>That's evidence for reincarnation. And and I was surprised that

1115
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>that was what you gave me.

1116
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 8>That's probably yeah, but that's that's the that's the thing.

1117
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 8>And it's actually a pretty I wasn't part of that.

1119
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:45.480
<v Speaker 8>I know that as as as precedent, and uh, it

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00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 8>was a pretty It is a It is actually a

1121
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 8>pretty delicated case because it's like it's as let's call

1122
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 8>a show house. I guess that's that caught on fire.

1123
00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 8>And and most people died because they couldn't get out

1124
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 8>of there.

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00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.599
<v Speaker 1>And uh during the.

1126
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 8>Trial, Uh, one of the lawyers of the the the

1127
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:16.719
<v Speaker 8>the owner, decided to actually also a medium. And uh

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00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 8>and and well he kind of did that. Nobody thought

1129
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:27.280
<v Speaker 8>that that would be acceptable, despite the guy has a history.

1130
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 2>He was the wait, wait, hold on this court, this

1131
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 2>case you're involved in, they accepted the testimony of a medium,

1132
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like in lieu of somebody else's testimony, like they were

1133
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.119
<v Speaker 2>speaking through them or something. Why was the medium there?

1134
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it was to talk on behalf of these victims.

1135
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 8>That's why I say that it's a pretty delicate key.

1136
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah yeah. I First of all, any medium that

1137
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 2>says they can speak on behalf of people who have

1138
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>passed is a fraud sterre first and foremost. I'll be

1139
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the first to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1140
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:00.800
<v Speaker 7>So.

1141
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 8>Actually and so did she said? You know, probably because

1142
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 8>medians only the Seius guy, they don't choose the the

1143
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.320
<v Speaker 8>contact their context.

1144
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>So well, this is I mean, mediums make up the

1145
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.880
<v Speaker 2>fact that they are contacting the dead and pretend to

1146
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 2>be somebody else.

1147
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 1>And have been caught out so many times. You can

1148
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 1>just look at there's compilations of mediums getting it horrifically wrong.

1149
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>And one of my favorites is one medium who believed

1150
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that they could find or could talk to the spirits

1151
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 1>of deceased people and were shown a photo of a

1152
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.360
<v Speaker 1>little girl and said, well, can you can you detect

1153
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>whether she's there? And the photo was of the woman

1154
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that was handing her the photo as a child. Yeah.

1155
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.480
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know where you're coming from, Like you

1156
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 1>just everything you just said just makes me think that

1157
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 1>spirituality is bunk. I mean, if we're trying to prove

1158
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that spirituality is good and that it should be taken seriously,

1159
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 1>seriously enough to be using the court of law, you're

1160
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:10.519
<v Speaker 1>doing a bit of a bad job of a chase.

1161
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:14.239
<v Speaker 8>And no, and that's the thing. So so the exa

1162
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 8>said he probably wouldn't did he actually? Uh, well, was

1163
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.800
<v Speaker 8>contacted And I remember that case because at that time

1164
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.440
<v Speaker 8>I wasn't. I wasn't I didn't believe I was already

1165
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:32.599
<v Speaker 8>graduated invalid everything. So the problem is he did he

1166
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 8>got it right the things that people didn't know, and

1167
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 8>and the problem is is it wasn't supposed to be

1168
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:45.119
<v Speaker 8>accepted even even even then, but it actually was. And

1169
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.719
<v Speaker 8>that that's kind of like it was big news here

1170
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 8>because you know people, some people say, well, it shouldn't

1171
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 8>be it should be me. I I really think that

1172
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.880
<v Speaker 8>in that case, it's it was supposed to be irrelevant because.

1173
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, what's the point? Wait? Wait, can I ask the

1174
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 2>frank question. Were you actually a part of this case

1175
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 2>personally or are you just reporting something that happened in Brazil.

1176
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 8>No, no, no, no, it's it's but it's but it's precedent,

1177
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.760
<v Speaker 8>it's it's it's uh, okay.

1178
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>But you but you weren't involved in this case yourself professionally.

1179
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Speaker 8>No no, no, no.

1180
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 11>No, okay, okay, because if you were, I was gonna

1181
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Speaker 11>be like Eduardo, you got to up your lawyering game.

1182
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 11>But because if there's if if if the other side

1183
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:38.239
<v Speaker 11>is presenting a witness as a medium and speaking for

1184
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.079
<v Speaker 11>the dead, they're like, you got to call that ship out,

1185
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.920
<v Speaker 11>Like that's I mean, like come on in your shoes, right,

1186
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:45.760
<v Speaker 11>I mean, if you were to examine that case, if

1187
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.360
<v Speaker 11>you were to be a part of that case, how

1188
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.599
<v Speaker 11>could you not ask the court to completely throw that

1189
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 11>out right, How could you ever accept that as as

1190
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 11>legitimate in any way, shape or form.

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01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.079
<v Speaker 8>That's the thing the other side, the other side actually

1192
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.280
<v Speaker 8>asked for it to be from well, but it wasn't.

1193
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Shut up, really, are you serious? Way the other Oh

1194
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:07.880
<v Speaker 2>my god, no, that's terrible.

1195
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:09.519
<v Speaker 9>Right here.

1196
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, that's literally in Phoenix, right, that's not even a joke.

1197
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.960
<v Speaker 2>That is actually the plot of Phoenix right in the

1198
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.000
<v Speaker 2>first episodes.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a problem. It's it's I don't see. I wouldn't

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01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.400
<v Speaker 8>do it if if I was the lawyer, not because

1201
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.679
<v Speaker 8>I don't believe, because I actually do, but because it's relevant.

1202
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 8>I mean, if you commit a crime, there are two victims,

1203
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.719
<v Speaker 8>them the viti of the crime, and that's the state,

1204
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 8>because the state can't allow the crime. So and in

1205
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:51.199
<v Speaker 8>this case it was negligies, so the vision sets something.

1206
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 8>It isn't relevant.

1207
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.719
<v Speaker 9>Yes, I agree, except some people think that actually it

1208
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:04.000
<v Speaker 9>counted on the on the measure of the pinet, although

1209
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 9>you could be that because it's just accepted.

1210
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 8>But it wasn't in the.

1211
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me stop you that change. Please please,

1212
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.840
<v Speaker 1>let me let me ask is the purpose of this

1213
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 1>core that you are making today to try and advocate

1214
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.679
<v Speaker 1>for the existence of the spiritual.

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01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah are you? Are you pro mediums?

1216
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 12>No?

1217
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:36.119
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, okay, okay some of them by some

1218
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 2>of them, though, let's talk about that, because I think

1219
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that leads credence to some of your other ideas when

1220
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 2>it comes to spiritism. Why should I believe literally any

1221
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:47.199
<v Speaker 2>medium ever.

1222
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.559
<v Speaker 8>Well, you should believe when you didn't feel a questionnaire,

1223
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.519
<v Speaker 8>for example, and they give details of your life that

1224
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:01.639
<v Speaker 8>nobody knows, quoting passages of your life. It's not in general,

1225
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:07.280
<v Speaker 8>not ah, you know it happened when you were really quoting.

1226
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 1>That's when it's it's okay. So I'm gonna I want

1227
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.039
<v Speaker 1>to rack off a few terms here at water, hot,

1228
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.159
<v Speaker 1>reading cold. Ran Barnum statements that there are so many

1229
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 1>psychological tricks, especially in the day and age of social media,

1230
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Like if I go to a medium, I bet they

1231
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:27.440
<v Speaker 1>could tell me so many things about me just by

1232
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.960
<v Speaker 1>watching the videos I've been in. Like, you're not being

1233
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 1>very convincing their chief. There are so many ways to

1234
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 1>make the credulous believe that you can.

1235
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 8>You can.

1236
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 1>You have knowledge beyond there, beyond the thing. You don't

1237
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.239
<v Speaker 1>have to be flipping. Peter Popp was it.

1238
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like, look, in today's world, it's even harder. Sorry,

1239
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it's even easier to get away with it because all

1240
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 2>you can have to do is google somebody's name before

1241
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.639
<v Speaker 2>you meet them, and you find their social media. You

1242
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 2>can find a whole bunch of stuff about them. And

1243
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and they've done this. Thomas Westbrook has a whole series

1244
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.360
<v Speaker 2>on his YouTube channel about how you know, they've taken

1245
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.760
<v Speaker 2>these mediums and they put out fake social media profiles

1246
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 2>of people out there, and so when they those people

1247
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>go to meet the mediums, the mediums are quoting stuff

1248
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 2>from their fake social media profiles that aren't actually from

1249
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.920
<v Speaker 2>their real life. I mean, there's tons of mediums that

1250
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.400
<v Speaker 2>do this kind of stuff. There's a lot of these

1251
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:22.800
<v Speaker 2>tricks to the trade. I don't think. I mean, yeah,

1252
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 2>if I went to a medium and they were telling

1253
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:26.960
<v Speaker 2>me some sort of dark secret about my past that

1254
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.599
<v Speaker 2>was extremely explicit in detail that nobody has ever known,

1255
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, that would be one thing. But that's never happened.

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01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 2>It hasn't happened to me, and I don't think it's

1257
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.880
<v Speaker 2>actually ever happened to anybody that's ever been to a medium,

1258
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think that they have the power to

1259
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 2>do that, man, Like, I just don't think that there's

1260
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.559
<v Speaker 2>ever been a case that a medium has been demonstrated

1261
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:48.400
<v Speaker 2>without reasonable doubt that they Hey, they're legit, you know.

1262
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.280
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, man, I don't know what to

1263
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you. It's like, we can't be relying on fraudsters

1264
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.679
<v Speaker 2>for the proof of spiritism here or any kind of

1265
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a reincarnation or the supernatural or anything. That's just that's

1266
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna cut it. We gotta we gotta do better

1267
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.559
<v Speaker 2>than that, right right, But.

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01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.440
<v Speaker 8>That's that's exactly that. I don't think I've seen it,

1269
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 8>but issue, well, everybody say that. But if she knew me,

1270
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 8>uh you know, I mean you should knew me well

1271
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:20.119
<v Speaker 8>for my whole life? Who who was titled? Like just

1272
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 8>for the kind of frame of mind that I that

1273
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 8>I kind of guy you would it would actually give

1274
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:32.199
<v Speaker 8>some reasons because I don't press easily. It sounds like that.

1275
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, okay, wait, ed WARDO, ed WARDO. Here's what

1276
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:36.840
<v Speaker 2>you do. Okay, here's what you do. You say you

1277
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.159
<v Speaker 2>know a medium, you know a medium that you like, right,

1278
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 2>and you get them to talk to me on this show?

1279
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you get them to talk to one of us

1280
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.199
<v Speaker 2>on the Collin Show. Can we make that happen?

1281
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.119
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, I don't know they speak English, but true.

1282
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, if you can, if you can talk, if

1283
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:53.719
<v Speaker 2>you can get a medium to talk to one of

1284
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:55.800
<v Speaker 2>our college shows, and we will not be paying a dime.

1285
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:57.360
<v Speaker 2>By the way, we won't pay for it. If they

1286
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 2>ask for money, the ASA will not We will not

1287
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.480
<v Speaker 2>give money the fraudsters. I'm just to let you know

1288
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 2>right now. But if they're willing to do it, maybe

1289
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:05.960
<v Speaker 2>tell them we get some free publicity. We can, we

1290
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:08.840
<v Speaker 2>can set that up because we can definitely show people,

1291
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:11.920
<v Speaker 2>at least live on the air why this stuff like

1292
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't work right or at least you know, isn't

1293
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:16.280
<v Speaker 2>convincing to us. But I don't know. That's just an

1294
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 2>idea at Bardo, because I mean, we can't I can't

1295
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.360
<v Speaker 2>do anything with you telling me, Wow, this person new

1296
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I didn't tell them, because that's you know,

1297
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.400
<v Speaker 2>that's not specific for us to really talk about.

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01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:26.599
<v Speaker 7>Right.

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01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well let me say, let's just say something, by

1301
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.480
<v Speaker 8>the way, series me just actually don't ask for money.

1302
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.559
<v Speaker 8>They can be paid for that. They can mean, they

1303
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.400
<v Speaker 8>can't even accept the nations.

1304
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh well, maybe okay, maybe I'll talk with

1305
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 2>our producer. Maybe we can arrange a good donation if

1306
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 2>if we feel like the medium has you know, fulfilled

1307
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 2>our criteria or something. All right, no, no, Richard, Richard

1308
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:55.920
<v Speaker 2>is shaking his head at me. No, we won't even

1309
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 2>do that. We won't even we won't even pretend. Never mind.

1310
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.400
<v Speaker 2>But okay, fine, if if they're if they're good mediums

1311
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 2>and they won't accept money, even better, right, we'll take

1312
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 2>free mediums, but we'll talk to them on the show.

1313
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 2>But like, man, you know that's I don't know. I

1314
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 2>can't do it much. We just I talked to a

1315
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.639
<v Speaker 2>medium one time, and they convinced me.

1316
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 1>There's more motivations than money as well. If you are

1317
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.360
<v Speaker 1>convinced that you have powers and your delusional, do you

1318
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:22.079
<v Speaker 1>still want to sort of show your powers? And any

1319
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:27.840
<v Speaker 1>time that any supernatural phenomena has been actually independently tested,

1320
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 1>it's always been found.

1321
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll do this, Okay, maybe okay, we won't do the ACA.

1322
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll put up my own personal money. How about that,

1323
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll pay them myself. If if I'm convinced that that

1324
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the medium did their job and we can put it

1325
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 2>in a pot somewhere.

1326
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, James Randy for years, million dollars

1327
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.280
<v Speaker 1>waiting for you if you can prove the supernatural, and

1328
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.360
<v Speaker 1>no one ever did so.

1329
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that would make for some good content, I

1330
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:56.840
<v Speaker 2>think good Ward. Oh, I'd be willing to do that.

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01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:01.000
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I mean, it's there, willing to call in

1332
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 8>and bl it free. But don't don't don't bleed men.

1333
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:07.519
<v Speaker 8>Don't don't give them money because that actually, that actually

1334
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:11.280
<v Speaker 8>to fear, and that actually can lead if the guys

1335
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 8>are shogging off to be used, that can lead them

1336
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:16.000
<v Speaker 8>to a pretty dark place.

1337
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:17.079
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

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01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because if you, if you, if you use those

1339
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.359
<v Speaker 8>gifts and and and for money for any advantage, and

1340
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:29.119
<v Speaker 8>it's uh, you start attracting less serious spirits and then

1341
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.920
<v Speaker 8>sometimes evil spirits, and uh, you go to a pretty

1342
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:35.680
<v Speaker 8>dark place. I know somebody who did that.

1343
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know, man. That's that's that's

1344
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.520
<v Speaker 2>a whole other can of worms. I don't know if

1345
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I can talk to you about the personal motivations of

1346
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.920
<v Speaker 2>evil spirits with you, after everything we talked to we're

1347
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 2>at a time with this call. Man. We've already talked

1348
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 2>about so much other stuff.

1349
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:52.239
<v Speaker 5>But I do.

1350
01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I do enjoy talking with you. You do present a

1351
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.319
<v Speaker 2>very interesting perspective that I enjoy exploring with you. But

1352
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.439
<v Speaker 2>I have to let you go now because we've got

1353
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:02.960
<v Speaker 2>some other folks on the line. Edwinald. If you can do,

1354
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.199
<v Speaker 2>if you can find a medium to talk to us

1355
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.720
<v Speaker 2>on the show, I will. I will give you a

1356
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, standing ovation, because that's that's doing first

1357
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.960
<v Speaker 2>of all, let's do and work for us, all right,

1358
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:14.479
<v Speaker 2>let's be real. That's given us content. So I'll thank

1359
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you for that. But that'd be say, if we can

1360
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 2>talk to a medium on Talking Heathen, that would make

1361
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.479
<v Speaker 2>my day. So let me know if that's possible for you.

1362
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.520
<v Speaker 2>If not, whatever, we'll just have our regular conversations. But

1363
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 2>you know that'll be something that'll be something for both

1364
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 2>of us, I think. But I will let you go now.

1365
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Eduardo for your conversations with us. My goodness,

1366
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

1367
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.399
<v Speaker 1>It's just a story. I'm going to tell you some

1368
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.880
<v Speaker 1>stories and hope they convince it like them, then they're not,

1369
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.800
<v Speaker 1>And I don't really know what to do with that. Yeah,

1370
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 1>when we bang on about wanting evidence, but it really

1371
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 1>is important because I can tell stories. It doesn't mean

1372
01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that true.

1373
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:55.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been getting adds on my Reddit for

1374
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 2>like mediums in the California area specifically. I don't know why.

1375
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some sort of California medium company.

1376
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I definitely saw that story that was going

1377
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 1>around about a little person who was convicted of fraud

1378
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for using tarot cards. Different people. They said, there's a

1379
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 1>small medium at large here.

1380
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I found the business. Yeah, I won't say their name

1381
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.800
<v Speaker 2>out loud, but there is a specific psychic business that

1382
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I've been getting a lot of advertisements for so at

1383
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.840
<v Speaker 2>least some of them are asking for money. Maybe those

1384
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:26.800
<v Speaker 2>are just the fake ones and not the real, the

1385
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:30.239
<v Speaker 2>real mediums, you know, because that's the thing too, If

1386
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:35.039
<v Speaker 2>if mediumship was real, right, there would inevitably, inevitably be

1387
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.079
<v Speaker 2>people that would fake it. So you know, that is

1388
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:38.960
<v Speaker 2>something to consider.

1389
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, don't you find it schange that every

1390
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Speaker 1>time someone goes in for like past life, for agression

1391
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.359
<v Speaker 1>hypnosis and stuff, they always had a really interesting life.

1392
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.079
<v Speaker 1>It was never you're born, you got polio at seven

1393
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.319
<v Speaker 1>and died and that's it.

1394
01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It's always, oh you were Jesus.

1395
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, you're a maid in the in the houses

1396
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of the courts of Versaillah whatever. It's always really interesting.

1397
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You never just your name was Jeff and you died

1398
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 1>of consumption.

1399
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Your name was Jeff, and you just you did walk

1400
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.840
<v Speaker 2>both ways before crossing the street one day, and that

1401
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 2>was it. So yeah, I don't know, it never seems

1402
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.359
<v Speaker 2>to be that way, but you're right. Yeah, I just

1403
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.600
<v Speaker 2>want to talk to the medium on talk ethen. That'd

1404
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 2>be sick, to be sick. I would love that so much, honestly.

1405
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, let's let's get to our next caller. Here

1406
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:33.720
<v Speaker 2>we have D who is calling in from Iowa and

1407
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.920
<v Speaker 2>D you are live on talk Ethan. What's going on?

1408
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 12>Hey, guys, how are you good?

1409
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Good? Deep? Thanks for wading on the line. What can

1410
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:43.119
<v Speaker 2>we do for you today?

1411
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 12>No worries, no worries. Look, I just want to throw

1412
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 12>out there to your first caller, how obscene it is

1413
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.039
<v Speaker 12>to tell somebody they didn't try hard enough. When I

1414
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 12>was little, my mother was excessively physical with me, and

1415
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:11.039
<v Speaker 12>one day, after a particularly horrendous event, I actually passed

1416
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:17.399
<v Speaker 12>out just from trauma and got myself a vision of Jesus.

1417
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 12>He wasn't there to help or anything. He just stood

1418
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:24.840
<v Speaker 12>there looking at me, and I just felt this. I

1419
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:29.119
<v Speaker 12>just felt this crushing sense of disappointment. And I was

1420
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 12>about seven years old at the time, and I decided

1421
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:36.359
<v Speaker 12>because I had just heard about Jesus at vacation Bible

1422
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 12>school the previous summer, and how Jesus wanted us to

1423
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.520
<v Speaker 12>tell our friends about him and saved them, and so

1424
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:46.399
<v Speaker 12>I thought, you know, if I saved enough of my

1425
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.279
<v Speaker 12>friends for Jesus, maybe he would step in and stop everything.

1426
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:56.079
<v Speaker 12>And I held on to a sense of trying to

1427
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 12>appease Jesus and God for years into my adult life, praying, evangelizing,

1428
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 12>and so yeah.

1429
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.159
<v Speaker 2>That's that's really, that's that's Rody. I'm so sorry that

1430
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.560
<v Speaker 2>you had to go through that. I think if Jesus

1431
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.119
<v Speaker 2>was real and he really cared about us, like you know,

1432
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:20.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe he shouldn't show up in times of trauma and

1433
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.199
<v Speaker 2>you should just you know, be around for you know,

1434
01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:26.960
<v Speaker 2>other things besides the worst moments in our life. Really

1435
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 2>sorry to hear that that happened to you.

1436
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.119
<v Speaker 5>No, yeah, thank you.

1437
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.079
<v Speaker 12>I know now, of course that it wasn't really Jesus,

1438
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:35.359
<v Speaker 12>but at that age.

1439
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.039
<v Speaker 8>This is kind of ironic.

1440
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 12>Is that my mom put up that that. You know,

1441
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.600
<v Speaker 12>I'm sure you've all seen that portrait, the light skinned,

1442
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 12>brown haired, blue eyed Jesus looking up with a soft

1443
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.640
<v Speaker 12>light falling gently on his face. And you know, my

1444
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.399
<v Speaker 12>mom put that picture up in my room. I didn't

1445
01:13:58.439 --> 01:13:59.039
<v Speaker 12>put it up there.

1446
01:13:59.119 --> 01:13:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Mom did.

1447
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:08.560
<v Speaker 12>And I feel so enraged when Christians tell us that,

1448
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:15.239
<v Speaker 12>you know, people showing out thousands of dollars to the

1449
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:20.880
<v Speaker 12>healer on TV, speaking in tongues and saying I got

1450
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.760
<v Speaker 12>somebody out there with liver disease and blah blah blah.

1451
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's unfortunate, like like mediums, those people they take

1452
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.880
<v Speaker 2>advantage of other people, and yeah, it's it's it's not

1453
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a good scene. We're totally against those types of people

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01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 2>as well. The worst, the worst kinds of Christians, honestly,

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01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:40.239
<v Speaker 2>are those kinds, the ones that profit over people in

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01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.640
<v Speaker 2>uh in times of desperateness.

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01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And we have colleagues in the community here that have

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01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 1>presented on these shows and I'm not going to name names,

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01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 1>but you can find their testimony on videos that desperately

1460
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>desperately wanted God to be real. They agonized over losing

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01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.079
<v Speaker 1>their faith and it was the most painful thing that

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01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.319
<v Speaker 1>happened to them to lose it because it was their life,

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01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:09.479
<v Speaker 1>their whole life. But they couldn't keep the faith because

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01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:14.119
<v Speaker 1>reason just wouldn't let them. And so when, like you say,

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01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 1>when a Christian comes along and says, well, you just

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01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:20.439
<v Speaker 1>weren't doing it right, you weren't good enough, Yes, that

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01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:21.319
<v Speaker 1>is enver rating.

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01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I've never been a believer, not really, so I don't

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01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.000
<v Speaker 1>have that kind of personal experience of losing faith, but

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01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine how gut wrenching it can be to

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01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 1>have something so important to not torn away but just

1473
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:41.720
<v Speaker 1>break down and have nothing to replace it other than

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01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the cold, hard light of reality. So yeah, I vicariously

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01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 1>can get on board with that anger, that the arrogance

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01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of these people who would say that you just weren't

1477
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.359
<v Speaker 1>good enough, didn't pray hard enough.

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01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:01.079
<v Speaker 12>You were a real Christian?

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01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the no true Scotsman finds in thee Oh.

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01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:09.279
<v Speaker 12>But yeah, I just hope he's still listening and knows

1481
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 12>what a jackass he sounded like when he said that.

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01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh he knows, that's what it was. That's what he's

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01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.960
<v Speaker 1>here for. Starting to laugh. But as we've said before,

1484
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.239
<v Speaker 1>he may have been taking the piss, But there are

1485
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 1>plenty of people out there who honestly do believe that,

1486
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.159
<v Speaker 1>and they have to because if they come down to

1487
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.079
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it doesn't matter how hard you pray,

1488
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:33.359
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter how much you believe, there is nobody listening,

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01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.439
<v Speaker 1>then they would have to come face to face with

1490
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the reality that they don't have Daddy in the sky

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01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.479
<v Speaker 1>looking after them and there is no plan. So, yeah,

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01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:47.479
<v Speaker 1>that's their defense. They externalize it and make it a

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01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:51.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of violence against the people because if they don't,

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01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.960
<v Speaker 1>then they would have to look inward, and they don't

1495
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:54.399
<v Speaker 1>want to do that.

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01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's always a moral hierarchy that has to be set,

1497
01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and the hierarchy is that believers are always better than

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01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:05.279
<v Speaker 2>non believers. So if you are a non believer, it

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01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.359
<v Speaker 2>is something that's your fault. It has to be something

1500
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that's your fault, because if it's not, then what's this

1501
01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:12.359
<v Speaker 2>hierarchy for?

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01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:12.920
<v Speaker 5>Right?

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01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Why am I doing all this work? Why am I

1504
01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 2>going to church? Why am I praying? Why am I

1505
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.920
<v Speaker 2>going to Bible study? Why am I censoring the words

1506
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that I speak? Why do I have to wait for

1507
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.279
<v Speaker 2>sex before marriage? Why am I doing all this stuff?

1508
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.760
<v Speaker 2>If none of it is real, right, there has to

1509
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.680
<v Speaker 2>be some sort of justification so at least you get

1510
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:30.880
<v Speaker 2>something out of it, and that's just part of the

1511
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>con of it all. Unfortunately.

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01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.760
<v Speaker 12>Well, and I just wanted to say, you know, it's

1513
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:39.319
<v Speaker 12>Sunday afternoon, lots of people have been to church, and

1514
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.600
<v Speaker 12>if you had somebody tell that to you today, please

1515
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 12>know that this is not anything that you are or

1516
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:51.720
<v Speaker 12>are not doing that. If your pastor has to tell

1517
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:54.600
<v Speaker 12>you that, then he doesn't really know what he's talking

1518
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 12>about at all.

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01:17:55.720 --> 01:18:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Amen. Amen, there's hope anything sign and pre tweet D

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01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm all about it.

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01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that. Was there anything else you want

1523
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:07.359
<v Speaker 2>to share with us before we let you go today?

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01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:09.960
<v Speaker 12>No, thanks for taking my call. Guys, you have a

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01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:10.520
<v Speaker 12>great day.

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01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, D you too, you too. Yeah, it sucks.

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01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.800
<v Speaker 2>It's the worst. It's one of my Like, I've been

1528
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:19.920
<v Speaker 2>doing this stuff long enough to where a lot of

1529
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff doesn't annoy me too much anymore because you kind

1530
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of just hear stuff over and over again, the whole

1531
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you were never a Christian thing. That's the one that

1532
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.920
<v Speaker 2>still kind of gets me a little bit, being honest, because.

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01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:33.399
<v Speaker 1>It's basically, say, call me a liar without calling me

1534
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:34.199
<v Speaker 1>a liar. Yeah.

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01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just a it's a self referential cage that

1536
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:43.640
<v Speaker 2>you put yourself into. It's a logic trap, because you're

1537
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>damned if you do damned if you don't like If

1538
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:47.359
<v Speaker 2>you're already a believer, think good, you already get all

1539
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the benefits. But if you ever struggled with that, ever,

1540
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:53.039
<v Speaker 2>then suddenly you just aren't good enough, right, And so

1541
01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that either propels you into Christianity again, right, so that

1542
01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't have those kinds of doubts and you don't

1543
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:03.039
<v Speaker 2>breakaway from that thinking, or you end up like well,

1544
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:05.600
<v Speaker 2>like me, I guess. So that might be a good

1545
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:07.119
<v Speaker 2>thing or a bad thing, depending on who you ask.

1546
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.399
<v Speaker 2>But regardless of that, I do have some super chance

1547
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:13.279
<v Speaker 2>not super chats, excuse me, top five patrons that I

1548
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:15.720
<v Speaker 2>need to get to, and then I think we'll have

1549
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:19.680
<v Speaker 2>time for maybe one more call after that, you know,

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01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Lord b Willing cthulhul Lilling. I don't know. I don't

1551
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.680
<v Speaker 2>know which one do with that, but let's get to

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01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the top five patrons here as soon as I have

1553
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.359
<v Speaker 2>in front of you, which I do now. Uh, the

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01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.359
<v Speaker 2>number one patron from our top five patrons is Oops

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<v Speaker 2>All Singularity of course, of course, next number two is

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01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Dingle Barry Jackson. Number three is Kleevi Helvetti. Number four

1557
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.319
<v Speaker 2>is Brian Zipke. Number five is Jaya Carlton. In our

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<v Speaker 2>honorable mention this week goes to Moldrid d Malcontent. Thank

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01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.479
<v Speaker 2>you guys so much for donating, and if you'd like

1560
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to become a Top five patron or just a patron

1561
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 2>in general, you can definitely do that by going to

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01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:03.239
<v Speaker 2>tiny dout cc slash, Patreon and potentially get your name rd.

1563
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:07.079
<v Speaker 2>And on that note, we have started doing the Talk

1564
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Heathen discord after show and we have recordings of that

1565
01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:13.760
<v Speaker 2>for all levels of paid patrons, So if you want

1566
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.880
<v Speaker 2>more content and you want a more informal look, and

1567
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 2>some of the hosts join the Patreon to catch up

1568
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:22.680
<v Speaker 2>on some of that content. So with that, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we have time.

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<v Speaker 4>Again.

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01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:25.479
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be trying to be real quick with this.

1572
01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:31.720
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to Musical Instruments calling in from Virginia. Musical Instruments,

1573
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you're live on Talk Heathen.

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01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Again.

1575
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 2>We'll try to keep it real short because we're at

1576
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the tail end of the show here, but we want

1577
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:39.039
<v Speaker 2>to get you in some musical instruments. You are alive

1578
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:40.439
<v Speaker 2>on talk Heathen. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 7>No problem, I'll make it quick. I've talked to you before. Dan.

1580
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.079
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to talk to Jamie really quick about what

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01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:49.359
<v Speaker 7>he said at the beginning of the show about I

1582
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.479
<v Speaker 7>don't want to misquote you, Jamie. You said something about

1583
01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.119
<v Speaker 7>if there was one thing you could take from the

1584
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.199
<v Speaker 7>religions or people who believed, it would be that idea

1585
01:20:58.279 --> 01:20:59.640
<v Speaker 7>that there's a plan and then everything.

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01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.720
<v Speaker 1>So that's something like what you said. The comfort in

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01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.279
<v Speaker 1>believing that no matter how bad things can get, that

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01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:08.479
<v Speaker 1>it's it's for a reason, and that the realization that

1589
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the world and the universe at large is not planned,

1590
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it just is gives very little in the way of comfort,

1591
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:19.760
<v Speaker 1>but can give freedom. I'm an optimistic nihilist myself.

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01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:23.079
<v Speaker 7>Okay, And with that freedom, I'm free to paint my

1593
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.880
<v Speaker 7>own picture of what I believe. So I don't I

1594
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:30.199
<v Speaker 7>don't fall into the binary Christian non Christian, because that

1595
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.359
<v Speaker 7>I see as a trap. I see it as a

1596
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.119
<v Speaker 7>it's not a place I want to go. That either

1597
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:37.840
<v Speaker 7>it is or it is, And I look at other books,

1598
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.239
<v Speaker 7>I look at other sources. But what I'm really interested

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01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.640
<v Speaker 7>in is how we can find that that idea that

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01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:46.720
<v Speaker 7>everything is okay and always will be it won't.

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01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes bad things happen for no reason.

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01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's that's that's Unfortunately a disadvantage of

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01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.840
<v Speaker 2>our position, right, being a non believer position, is that

1604
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.560
<v Speaker 2>we don't really have a higher power to ascribe to

1605
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:02.239
<v Speaker 2>things both good and bad. Right, So if the universe

1606
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:03.880
<v Speaker 2>just is what it is, the universe just is.

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01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:04.319
<v Speaker 8>What it is.

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01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>We're thankful for the times when things are good to us,

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01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and we're hopeful when times when things are bad to

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01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 2>us that the bad times won't last as long. And

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01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty much all we can do. But we also

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01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.039
<v Speaker 2>think it's the most honest thing we can do, because

1613
01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we just fly to ourselves and think

1614
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.439
<v Speaker 2>that there is something else out there watching over us,

1615
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>then that's not going to necessarily make things better. Sometimes

1616
01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.279
<v Speaker 2>making things better is beyond our control, but sometimes it isn't,

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01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and that's when we have to organize, do some work

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01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.600
<v Speaker 2>and try to get things done. But yeah, that would

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01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 2>be our perspective.

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01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.680
<v Speaker 7>What do you think lying to one's sell are we

1621
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.680
<v Speaker 7>know the authors of our own our own journeys so

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01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.640
<v Speaker 7>to speak? I guess I don't understand the lying.

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01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 1>To the sel.

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01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Well, so you know when I was doubting, and

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01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing this with the context musical instruments that I

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01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:52.359
<v Speaker 2>know that you've encountered Christian culture, you were a part

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01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of Christian culture. I remember our conversation last time, right

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01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.880
<v Speaker 2>when I was a Christian and I identified as such.

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01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:01.399
<v Speaker 2>I was at a time also halfway in the atheist camp,

1630
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:05.119
<v Speaker 2>but not quite atheist, right. I was kind of going

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01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:08.039
<v Speaker 2>through this back and forth, and I kept myself in

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01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Christian community. And it wasn't until I was really seeing

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01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the harm that even my very own Christian community was

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01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:18.279
<v Speaker 2>doing that I had to absolutely absconde myself. Okay, I

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01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:20.880
<v Speaker 2>had to absolutely leave and realize I had to just

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<v Speaker 2>pick aside here in Meander because I was trying to

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01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:25.600
<v Speaker 2>play both sides. I was trying to like get the

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01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 2>benefits of being Christian, the privilege that comes to being Christian,

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01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the friends that come with being privileged being a Christian,

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01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>while also trying to have the intellectual honesty of atheism

1641
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and like listening to podcasts and reading books and exploring

1642
01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:41.000
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. And I realized, like, you know, I

1643
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:43.640
<v Speaker 2>couldn't mesh both of these worlds together. And I think

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01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.079
<v Speaker 2>that's what some people do. I think some people who

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01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:49.359
<v Speaker 2>like don't want to put a label on whatever they're doing,

1646
01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just like them trying to get the

1647
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:53.920
<v Speaker 2>benefits of all things here, right, And that's what I

1648
01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:55.439
<v Speaker 2>was doing for a long time, and I had to

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01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:58.279
<v Speaker 2>just come honest with myself and realize, Yeah, there probably

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01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>isn't a real Christianity. It's probably always going to be

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01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.840
<v Speaker 2>a man made thing. It's probably God is always probably

1652
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:06.319
<v Speaker 2>going to be a man made thing. If there is

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01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.439
<v Speaker 2>a higher power, I don't know him, you know, and

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01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>he's certainly not communicating with me. So I just kind

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01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:12.399
<v Speaker 2>of had to accept life for what it is. I

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01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:13.640
<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of people that are in that

1657
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>spot in between, right. So I guess that's what I

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01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:21.119
<v Speaker 2>mean by lying to myself to make a choice. Yeah, choice, Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think what atheism is doing to push back against

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<v Speaker 7>religion is necessary. I think religion has to be pushed

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01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:28.520
<v Speaker 7>back against.

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01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Is just an answer to a question, do you believe in? Yeah? Yeah,

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01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.479
<v Speaker 1>ant he apologetic whoever.

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01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 7>Is doing the pushing back to be done, I agree with.

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01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:44.840
<v Speaker 3>That, Yeah, sure, sure, absolutely, that's what we're here for. Baby, Yeah,

1666
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:48.880
<v Speaker 3>we're about and that's necessary. But I mean, on a

1667
01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:52.640
<v Speaker 3>personal level, what's wrong with with seeking? I don't see any.

1668
01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 7>Problem as long as it doesn't harm others or I'm

1669
01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.840
<v Speaker 7>not spreading you know mine is anyone else? What's wrong

1670
01:24:57.920 --> 01:24:59.000
<v Speaker 7>with the personal journey?

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01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Because the you thought patterns that are required to engage

1672
01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>in belief of higher powers, supernatural things I believe are

1673
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>inherently flawed and much like anything that can bring comfort,

1674
01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that's dangerous. I treat magical thinking and belief in the

1675
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>supernatural the same way as I would treat like alcohol

1676
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>or drugs. Yeah, you can dabble, maybe it'd be cool

1677
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and functional with it, but it's still dangerous and harmful.

1678
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you think you can handle it, maybe you

1679
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:36.039
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, But I am still going to argue against it.

1680
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:37.920
<v Speaker 1>On Prince, I think I would.

1681
01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Probably answer a little bit differently than Jamie. I think

1682
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:40.640
<v Speaker 2>what I would say.

1683
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:40.800
<v Speaker 5>Is I.

1684
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Want to know about the danger though, because to quote,

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01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe, I can't remember who it was. If you

1686
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>can be if you can believe in if you can

1687
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>believe in idiocy, you can be convinced to atrocity, Like

1688
01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:01.880
<v Speaker 1>if you don't make your beliefs comp with what is evidenced,

1689
01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:05.640
<v Speaker 1>with what is demonstrable. Then you can be convinced of

1690
01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:10.319
<v Speaker 1>so many things like being incredulous is dangerous, and it

1691
01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>can be as little as oh, that's Nigerian prince really

1692
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.079
<v Speaker 1>wants to send me ten thousand dollars, or it can

1693
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>be gay people should be killed, and it's all coming

1694
01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:24.039
<v Speaker 1>from the same flaw to epistemology of my feelings on

1695
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.199
<v Speaker 1>this are more important than the evidence against it.

1696
01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:31.319
<v Speaker 2>So like again, I would answer, I would answer this

1697
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like a little bit differently I think from Jamie because

1698
01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>their open mindedness isn't the problem here, right, It's more

1699
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>about what we give credence to what we don't. So

1700
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:44.279
<v Speaker 2>in the history of the United States, for example, there

1701
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:47.680
<v Speaker 2>have literally been laws, right that have been made, the

1702
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>fairness doctrine. You've probably maybe you've heard about this when

1703
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it comes to like climate change. When we talk about

1704
01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:55.199
<v Speaker 2>this where basically you know what we're giving coverage to

1705
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:58.279
<v Speaker 2>climate change, you pretty much always have to give some

1706
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.560
<v Speaker 2>climate change skeptic on and every time they talk about it,

1707
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.279
<v Speaker 2>even though that's not the majority opinion of scientists, right,

1708
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>it's not the majority thinking in the scientific community. But

1709
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>by giving that effect that they're both kind of on

1710
01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>equal playing field, that gives more of a credence than

1711
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>what's necessarily warranted to these other ideas. And I think

1712
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the problem that comes with being in this sort

1713
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:23.439
<v Speaker 2>of in this seeking kind of mindset, which again, you know,

1714
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I encourage being open minded absolutely, but I'm not going

1715
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to pretend that all ideas are equal.

1716
01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:29.039
<v Speaker 7>Right.

1717
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:31.199
<v Speaker 2>So if you were to tell me, for example, what's

1718
01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>wrong with me seeking? I just want to figure out

1719
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>more of the stories of l. Ron Hubbard, and you

1720
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>know what his teachings can find me. I'll give you

1721
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:41.319
<v Speaker 2>a whole list of why scientology is bad, right, And

1722
01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you would probably say, well, that's ridiculous, right, everybody knows

1723
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that scientology is bad and all the things that come

1724
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>with it. The thing is, I'm not sure everybody is

1725
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>convinced is why Christianity is bad, right, or why Islam

1726
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:55.840
<v Speaker 2>can be as bad? Right, Like, they absolutely do have

1727
01:27:56.199 --> 01:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>demonstrable harm, maybe perhaps not as radically pinpointed is scientology.

1728
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>But you know, David Koresh was successful, for example, because

1729
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of Christianity's success, right, Like you know, sometimes these ideas

1730
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:14.479
<v Speaker 2>can piggyback off each other into real unexpected you know, directions.

1731
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:17.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's not that I'm against being open minded. I'm

1732
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.279
<v Speaker 2>just more so against all ideas being on equal ground

1733
01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>because I just don't think that's the case. I think

1734
01:28:22.119 --> 01:28:25.119
<v Speaker 2>you still have to apply skepticism to whatever ideas you explore.

1735
01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I do like John Oliver's analogy of that. It's like

1736
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it would be madness to eat this bar of soap,

1737
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>so I'll just take a bite now.

1738
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.680
<v Speaker 7>I understand. So the world is changing to the point

1739
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.199
<v Speaker 7>where one must take a side or one is not.

1740
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.359
<v Speaker 7>If I remain neutral, I'm really doing nothing.

1741
01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Is is that kind of what you're saying.

1742
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:46.439
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, neutrality is always always always in the

1743
01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:50.239
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the oppressor, right, Right. The people who fought

1744
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:54.720
<v Speaker 2>for you know, equal rights in this country had to fight.

1745
01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.479
<v Speaker 2>They didn't just you know, let laws be the way

1746
01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>they were. There were things that were wrong that were happening,

1747
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:02.239
<v Speaker 2>and people had to speak up in order for things

1748
01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to change. Right. There's there's a reason why why we're

1749
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.319
<v Speaker 2>still struggling with racial inequality and gender inequality in this country,

1750
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's because like, not enough work has been done yet.

1751
01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>People have not heard enough and change has not heard

1752
01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>have been made enough for that. And that wasn't just

1753
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.600
<v Speaker 2>because of people listening to the status quote. That's because

1754
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:25.199
<v Speaker 2>people are speaking up. So I choose to interpret my

1755
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>response into being doing stuff like this. You do what

1756
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>you want. Man, If you think that this kind of

1757
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff is good and you want to join the fight,

1758
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.319
<v Speaker 2>that's great. But in my opinion, right, in my opinion,

1759
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>neutrality always favors the oppressor. And so I'm not going

1760
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to be neutral. I choose to make a stand.

1761
01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And neutrality is a choice. Like people say, oh,

1762
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't want to choose. No,

1763
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you've chosen by being neutral. You're saying I'm fine with

1764
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the statis quote.

1765
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:54.039
<v Speaker 7>Well, I didn't say neutral forever, but I think in

1766
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:56.520
<v Speaker 7>a given time it's okay. And so one till I

1767
01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.479
<v Speaker 7>figure out where I want to stand, I can sort

1768
01:29:59.520 --> 01:29:59.680
<v Speaker 7>of not.

1769
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I agree it's necessary and important for you to take

1770
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.079
<v Speaker 2>your time to figure out what you believe. I don't.

1771
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to rush you in any primate process.

1772
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I would never say that's anybody. But at this point,

1773
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:15.399
<v Speaker 2>for me, right, I know too much, right, like I'm

1774
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm too deep in the paint to like you go

1775
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the other direction, you know what I'm saying, Like I

1776
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:23.119
<v Speaker 2>I at some point I had to I had to

1777
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>do that and and and you know that's a personal thing.

1778
01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:26.640
<v Speaker 2>You got to figure out for yourself when it's right

1779
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>for you. Right, same thing with like veganism. I've talked

1780
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.520
<v Speaker 2>about this. At some point I was debating at so

1781
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>much in my head. I just had to figure out

1782
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>where I was at with it, and I made my choice.

1783
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that's true for a lot of social issues.

1784
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>People just eventually have to figure it out. But yeah, man,

1785
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:44.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, go on your journey, figure shit out. But

1786
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I will tell you what I think, right, I'm not

1787
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I think some stuff

1788
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>is better than other stuff, and I'll tell you. But anyway,

1789
01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a battle. The time that we got

1790
01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>musical instruments, was there anything else you want to add

1791
01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>before we let you go?

1792
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.119
<v Speaker 7>No, you pretty well. You've some it up well. And

1793
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.000
<v Speaker 7>I think what I take from this is it's not

1794
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.560
<v Speaker 7>just about because I was perceiving it as just religion

1795
01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:10.920
<v Speaker 7>the versus the other side, meaning organized religion. But you

1796
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:14.600
<v Speaker 7>would encourage me to be skeptical in all the ideas

1797
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:17.439
<v Speaker 7>I think Jamie said supernatural and some other words.

1798
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anything that requires magical thinking that isn't based in

1799
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:26.319
<v Speaker 1>what can be evidenced in the natural world in reality,

1800
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I find that the type of thinking that is necessary

1801
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to go down that road can be warped and used

1802
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:38.039
<v Speaker 1>and exploited, two extremely nefarious ends.

1803
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:41.319
<v Speaker 7>Excellent, Okay, I understand what you're saying. Thank you all

1804
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:43.520
<v Speaker 7>very much, and have a great day.

1805
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Musical Instruments, and I hope you

1806
01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>have a great day as well. What a fucking fucking

1807
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>cush car. What an excellent call right there.

1808
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, good ones, good ones around it out.

1809
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Well.

1810
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say that every call we've had today has

1811
01:31:57.119 --> 01:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>been good. They've all been very useful.

1812
01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>That was That was my favorite. And here's why, because

1813
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Musical Instruments and we talked to him before. That is

1814
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>an honest, fucking man. Right, He's got some fucking doubts

1815
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:11.319
<v Speaker 2>about us atheists, and he tells us, and he tells

1816
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:12.760
<v Speaker 2>us in the best way possible. And you know what

1817
01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:16.079
<v Speaker 2>we have is our job to answer that responsibly. We

1818
01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>cannot be authoritarian in our response. No we can't. We

1819
01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>can't be like, hey, you have to say Christian Christianity

1820
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>is bad or you're a bad person. That's too simplicity.

1821
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna work because we're doing the same thing

1822
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:32.079
<v Speaker 2>that we are criticizing other people. Right. We have to

1823
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:35.039
<v Speaker 2>help people navigate that experience so that they can come

1824
01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:38.319
<v Speaker 2>to that conclusion themselves, because otherwise, what are we doing?

1825
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>And we will always be willing to change our change

1826
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>our point of view. If if if again, if the

1827
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>evidence if reality. I mean, I've held terrible opinions in

1828
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>the past. I look back on myself as a younger manager,

1829
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you bloody idiot, and I'm glad I had the intellectual honesty,

1830
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>to a flexibility of mind to go yeah, no, I

1831
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>should stop believing that and move forward.

1832
01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If there's one thing I've been saying for years,

1833
01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's something that I hold to more than anything

1834
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>else that I've ever talked about on any program, it

1835
01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:15.479
<v Speaker 2>is you can be right and you can be convincing.

1836
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.319
<v Speaker 2>But those are two separate things, Okay, two separate things.

1837
01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>You have to think about that every time you communicate

1838
01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>your message to people, because you can be right till

1839
01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the cows come home. You can be right on every

1840
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>single issue, But if I don't fucking believe you, then

1841
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>what's the point, Right, why are we talking? Why are

1842
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>you communicating ideas if you're not convincing other people as

1843
01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to why you hold the position that you do. We can't,

1844
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>we cannot just be a top down about this stuff

1845
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:42.439
<v Speaker 2>every single time, because we got to show people how

1846
01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.399
<v Speaker 2>we got there. Right, You've got to walk it through

1847
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>with people, because if you're honest with yourself, for most

1848
01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>of us, at least for me, you had to have

1849
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:54.520
<v Speaker 2>your own journey man, Right, Yeah, So don't don't let

1850
01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>people have fucking journeys with it. But don't compromise in

1851
01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>your own position either. Don't just say what you think

1852
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.359
<v Speaker 2>they need to hear, uh and change your own mind

1853
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>on something either, Right, don't don't don't be against your

1854
01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>own principles. But you still got to recognize where people

1855
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>are at and meet them, meet them where they can

1856
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.039
<v Speaker 2>hear what you're saying. Anyway, I'm going on a rant here,

1857
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know that's my feelings, my feelings about Jamie.

1858
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1859
01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:22.560
<v Speaker 2>That being said, we are getting towards the end of

1860
01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>tonight's program. Thanks so much for watching be Shore to

1861
01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:28.600
<v Speaker 2>tune into the Atheist Experience later today if you like,

1862
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.439
<v Speaker 2>and of course showing an episode of the Nonprofits of Between.

1863
01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>But hey, uh, the super Chat challenge. We didn't get

1864
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to it today. That's okay. Next time, maybe we can

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<v Speaker 2>make uh uh, you know, Jamie do his thing. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be down to see that. But thank you to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who donated regardless, and remember that this week's prompt is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be as soon as I can find it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you because I don't see it on here.

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<v Speaker 1>If The New Testament was a comedy, I would end.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's been a missince

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on talking to and I and I and

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<v Speaker 2>the script is different from the from the truth wanted one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get confused on my notes. So thank you, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally had to have a blind person tell me

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<v Speaker 2>where what the prompt was on the page, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not a good look for me, but you did it

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<v Speaker 2>for me anyway, Jamie, Thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll love that. We'll talk about that more on the

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<v Speaker 2>Dan and Jamie podcast, now premiering live every Sun. Sat.

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<v Speaker 2>Saturn Day is the day in between Saturday and Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>only on TikTok for Americans, so that'd be really cool. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to thank Richard of course for hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out today and uh, you know, being our backup host

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<v Speaker 2>giving me nods of approval and stern stern shakes of

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<v Speaker 2>the head note for disapprovals, especially for ACA related funds

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<v Speaker 2>and donations, and what we can and can't do is

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<v Speaker 2>an organization. I really appreciate that keeping me in line.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, want to thank Jamie and my co host today,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much, and I'll win.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll crew too. I mean, we we're quite front snogums

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a score of people behind the scenes making

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<v Speaker 1>it possible for us to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, awesome, amazing crew. Look how many people are

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<v Speaker 2>here today, all showed up doing their thing. An amazing

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<v Speaker 2>amount of hair in various locations, mustaches, beards, sometimes in

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<v Speaker 2>not places either. It's a lot of stuff going on

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<v Speaker 2>with the hair with our crew, really good stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I think I've read all the super chats. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're good for that. I think we still are

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<v Speaker 2>having a after show today, right, that's happening. Yep, Richard says, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So go check out after show A tiny dout cc

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<v Speaker 2>slash a CD discord to joint to see the fan

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<v Speaker 2>run show that happens for the talking even after show.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that, do you want to give some love rings? Jamie,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do the honors?

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<v Speaker 1>Love many love.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that. It's coming at Richard's nose. Love snot

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<v Speaker 2>take it there. Yeah, it's it's really cool. If if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever yeah, listen this a audio and you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck that happens there. It's just a cool

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<v Speaker 2>little effect that happens visually. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>ever translates well to the audio audience of our show,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what's happening. So just remember, folks as we

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<v Speaker 2>close out science broadcast. If you don't believe, this is

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<v Speaker 2>your community and we appreciate you being here. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe, I don't hate you, which is not convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, get everybody, have a great rest of your day.

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