Speaker 1: Time to celebrate the previous team sport known to man,
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Speaker 3: Today it is stoport.
Speaker 2: Little college football segment going to welcome to college football
inside from a college football coach. He's training up the
future of college football players down in Arizona now, and
we're gonna get into his mind. He's been a part
of the robbery, He's been a part of recruiting battles.
He's been a part of both Utah and BYU football programs.
He knows a thing or two about ball, and we're
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out to the hotlight. Welcome in the legendary coach. We
got coach Guy Holiday on the line.
Speaker 4: What's up, Guy? How are you, hey, Ben? How are
you guys doing. I'm doing great.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: It's football season. Basketball season is about to tip off.
We're gonna get into recruiting seasons. Well here shortly with
all the flips that will be occurring. Always something cooking
twenty four to seven, three sixty five in the college
football world. Do you miss a little bit of it?
And what don't you miss about it?
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, of course I think you always going to
miss it.
Speaker 4: I miss my players, I miss the game days, I
miss recruiting. I don't know that I would miss recruiting now, Yeah,
because it's it's just different.
Speaker 5: It's not about building relationships.
Speaker 4: Of course, that's always part of it, but money now
plays such a big part, and and and there are
so many different factors playing players wanting to play now.
Speaker 5: In those days, I.
Speaker 4: Can't say I missed Sunday night late light meetings and
Monday night late.
Speaker 5: Like late night meetings.
Speaker 4: Uh. It eased up a little bit on Tuesday Wednesdays,
but that would be the only things I don't miss.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's uh, there's pros and cons to the game.
And I know you're enjoying the uh retirement from college
football and your endeavor into entrepreneurship. Give us an update
on what you got cooking down there in ag at Oyd.
Speaker 4: Uh, we're on your dream sports academy. We're doing we're breaking,
we're overbreaking even now. So we're training athletes. We have
several NFL players, Isaiah Stalberg from the Saints and a
few others. I just mentioned him because he is left
on his off week, and so we get quite a
few guys, and we have several top notch basketball.
Speaker 5: Players that come in.
Speaker 4: Going to keep that quiet, but we do anywhere from
seven year olds up to professional athletes. So it's been
fun and it's always fun to watch people grow and
that's where I've always gotten my satisfaction.
Speaker 2: From the development, right, buying into the human and developing
and maximizing their potential. That's what coaching's truly all about.
And you know, the new era of college football is
a little bit different. You look at the why of
why you got into college football, and things have.
Speaker 3: Changed a little a little bit for some coaches.
Speaker 2: Right now it's about the filthy Luca or the ninety dollars,
but also the transactionality of it. You see coach Franklin,
who I think is a builder of men who got
into coaching for the right reasons.
Speaker 3: He was just in the CFP.
Speaker 2: Last year and because he lost three close games, right,
he get fired and Brian Kelly gets fired, one of
the best coaches in the modern era. You look at
all these coaches being let go and maybe some of
them are justified, some of them I don't think are justified.
But the transactionality of it all, it's limiting the transformationality
of what it should be.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's kind of like being on cruise ships now, right,
You watch one pass you see another one passes, it's
you know, two ships.
Speaker 5: Passing in the night.
Speaker 4: As they say, I mean, that's that's common.
Speaker 5: Now, it's so much different.
Speaker 4: When I got into coaching, I got in and people
know me, know, coming from a single parent background and
and father died in Vietnam. I got in it because
my coaches were father figures to me and they laid
down accountability, responsibility, how to grow as a person, how
to be a man, and helping me through things that
my mother just couldn't couldn't help me understand how to
become a man. Nowadays, it's let's be honest, it's all
about win now. James Franklin, you you know, it is
what it is. He didn't win a championship. People want
to win national championship. See, you know in fourteen years
is a long run. Brian Kelly, You know people always
say that just wasn't a good fit. Well, a good
fit is anybody who wins. And when you're going to
LSU if you don't win a national championship in four years, you're.
Speaker 5: Going to be out.
Speaker 4: And that's just you know, when you take a job
like that, it is what it is, and you know
it's hard for me to say, Oh, I feel bad
for a staff. I can't feel bad for anybody that's
going to take home fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 5: Sure, I mean that's at.
Speaker 4: Sixty four years old, fifty four million dollars richer. He
just he and his family generational wealth. So kudos to
him for that. But as a coach, you always want
to be winning. I mean, that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3: Do you think.
Speaker 2: Do you think these coaches Coach Kelly, coach Frank Klint,
some of these high level coaches, do you think they
get back into coaching despite you know, the big time pals,
because I think their contracts state that if they do
take a job in TV or another job, there is
a I don't know, some sort of mitigation clause that
the universities don't have to pay out the amount that
was guaranteed to them if they get another job.
Speaker 5: I think it's all about the right job.
Speaker 4: You know, when you've had LSU and you've been at
Notre Dame, what jobs are better than those? And so
for Brian Kelly at sixty four, he'll get the itch
just like me. I mean, I'm sixty now not there
are times I want to go back and you do
miss it, and he's going to have that itch because
you've been around in your whole life. James Franklin, There's
no doubt James Franklin will coach again. I know James,
and you know he was a perfect fit at penn State.
He was from Pennsylvania and went to college at a
Division two school in Pennsylvania. So I know I can
say with any doubt in my mind, James Franklin will
be coaching again. There's no doubt in my mind, and
he'll be a head coach. With the number of jobs
that's open, and you look at a guy at average,
I think ten wins a season, there's a lot of
teams that would take that Guy Holiday.
Speaker 2: Coach Guy Holiday, former coach at BYU and Utah talking
some college football with this year on your Utah ESPN
Radio network.
Speaker 3: What did you make of the robbery game this year?
Speaker 2: What do you make of the rivaly game in its
present state? Both teams in a conference now and BYU's
won three in a row.
Speaker 3: How did that happen?
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a that's a great question. I think it
it's hard for me to say twenty twenty one. You
know that was that was a little bit different. The
last two years, BYU has earned to win. They they've
and I'm not saying they didn't earn it in twenty
twenty one. I don't want to leave that on, but
there was several injuries that occurred and we all know
the track record of that. These last two years watching BYU,
they just believe. I mean, I think I tweeted out,
you know you can at some point you got to
say they're not lucky.
Speaker 5: They just believe they can win.
Speaker 4: And that comes across to me when you watch them
on a game and you watch that sideline. I am
a big person who watches body language. I watch relationships,
player relationships, and.
Speaker 5: If you look at the sideline, the sideline will tell
you a lot that you want to know.
Speaker 4: I've never seen BYU look like we can't win this game.
They believe they can win every game and that that
is a culture that has been built in that program
and they've done a great job. And watch a true
freshman perform as Baar did, and I think a couple
of weeks ago I talked about he's not a great
thrower yet, but hell, he proved he can. He can
beat you with your arm. He can beat you with
your with his feet. But what comes across about him
on the field and watching the huddle, those players respond
to him. I don't know him personally, but I'm fairly
confident he has a dynamic leadership personality quality about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's intriguing to see what's going on here.
And and I was pulling stats right when when b
why you got the win. I was like, I wonder
what the record is BYU versus Utah when they're in
the same conference in the modern era, and b YU
and Utah when they were in the Mountain West Conference
era to together went once Kyle Whittingham got the head
coaching job from five to twenty ten, it was three
and three. And now that they're in the same conference,
you know, based two to zero in the Big twelve.
So right now it's it's five and three versus us
when they're the same conference. And I wonder if when
there is an equivalent footing of resources conference equivalency, you know,
recruiting equivalency to a degree, it kind of maybe flips
the script a little bit of this rivalry game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you look at it that way,
you can surely make a case for it. I think
going in the game statistically, if you look at the
two teams statistically, and you buy into the that Vegas
knows something that we don't know. I think many expected
Utah to win that game, and I think a lot
hens on And I said this when I was at Utah.
The one thing I wouldn't say to one thing because
I learned so many things from Wit, but special teams
was always emphasized, heavily emphasized from from Tom who plays
who who was a punter for us too. It's so
many examples, all of our place kickers. But I always
go back to Mitch Wiznowski and nothing against the kickers previously,
but Mitch Wiznowski and Matt Gay, they that was two
of the best combinations I've seen.
Speaker 5: And I think since then.
Speaker 4: I know they had the transfer kicker come in from Colorado, but.
Speaker 5: Since then the st game hasn't been as immaculate as
it was at.
Speaker 4: The University of Utah, and it cost him that game.
I mean, you know, people, of course, with Wi's going
to defend his staff. That's one thing about with man,
you will You're going to get some shots behind the scenes,
He's going to tell it like it is to you.
But I think his reluctance not to kick field goals
says a lot. And the analytics, I'm sure fourth and one,
you gotta go for it, the fourth and three, fourth
and seven.
Speaker 5: I think that came down to as much.
Speaker 4: About how he felt about his kicking situation, whether it
was doing warm ups, whether it was from existing games.
I don't think Witt felt solid about that and that
that played the part. And I think if you go
back and into that nine game run and the special teams,
that b Yu wasn't quite up the par with Utah.
Speaker 5: You know, K Pop did a great job.
Speaker 4: But now I think with K Pop and J Hill
together because people don't realize J Hill was a st
gurer and so bringing those two together is that's powerful.
And I don't think you see a weakness and the execution.
Speaker 5: Let's take talent.
Speaker 4: We can go back and forth, Oh we got more
talent here, we got more That's always debatable.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, the execution.
Speaker 4: Of BYU right now is a lot better in the
st department than it has been in the past. And
I think that was as big of a contributor to
that game as anything else. I mean, you had to
turn over on the punt return by Utah. You had
to didn't come up and kick the extra or kick
the field goals. And that is a we're talking about
four plays created much more than a three point swing
in that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy times, no doubt about it. In this robbery game.
And I do believe you're right. Special teams. One of
the key stats that I was looking at leading up
to kickoff in this most recent robbery game was that
Utah special tas unit was like forty fifth, forty fourth
in the country at that time from an efficiency standpoint.
That's punt cover, kick cover, punt return, kick return, fuel goal,
you know, kicking, et cetera. And BYU was sixth in
the country. I mean, that's just stark difference. And that's
the difference between winning and losing a game.
Speaker 4: There's no question, and it is an emphasis that a
lot of coaches missed or miss I should say, and
and I don't know, I'm not at the University of Utah,
but I can guarantee you after that game the pressure
was felt. I promise you that, and I think you
will see improvement down the stretch and on that end,
but right now by us execution all around, I think
they're executing at such a high level and the quarterback
is not turning the ball. I think Jake the last
couple of years was subject to turning the ball over
at critical times, even though he made his fair share
of big plays. You don't see the turnovers from Bear,
which they are playing such really good, complimentary football. They
run the ball well, they played great run defense, and
they get turnovers. And anytime you do that, you're gonna
be in football games. And then the key component that
comes in is down the stretch. Who believes they can
win DYU believes they can win football games down the stretch.
Speaker 5: You see it over and over again.
Speaker 4: You saw it against Utah, you saw it against Iowa State.
There was a previous game earlier this year that they
were down. I can't recall. They came back and won.
So to me, that means the players are bought in.
The players are taking ownership, and they're saying, put the
ball in our hands, coach, we're gonna win the game.
Speaker 3: I love that breakdown.
Speaker 2: We got Guy Holliday here on ESPN the Fan talking
some college football.
Speaker 3: Rivalry Holy War football.
Speaker 2: One individual who has received a significant amount of criticism,
as all offensive coordinators do at BYU. You saw it
with Robert and I when you were at BYU, and
I think Robert and I produced some of the best
offenses in BYU football history. He set records with these guys,
Harvey Ungo, Curtis Brown, both rushing record centers. Jamal Williams
ended up being a rushing record center. Austin Colley, Dennis Pitta,
Max Hall, John Beck. Go down the list of like
the yards and the points, and you know you can criticize,
you know, for like in big games going against big
time opponents. Maybe the play calling wasn't as creative as
bau fans wanted to be, but the productivity stands the
test of time. A Rod, I think is producing at
a high level and definitely has improved over the years.
Speaker 3: But I think he's always been I call him.
Speaker 2: This spectacled booth strategist, film junkie, and now the fans
are finally giving him his flowers. Give me your thoughts
on the trajectory of a Rod, the unfair criticism, and
where he currently stands.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, let's go back to
Utah where him and I work together, and I've known
I knew a Rod prior to even working with him.
I think when you work, the thing about coach, with
his personality and his demeanor is so demanding that you
catch yourself trying to please with more so and you
sometimes don't listen when he says, do what you have to.
Speaker 5: Do to win the game.
Speaker 4: But in your mind, you know, when you're on the
headsets or some other things, you can become intimidated or.
Speaker 5: You can say that you know, maybe.
Speaker 4: This is how I think he feels versus and so
I think that it's stifled a Rod. I think my
first year with a Rod we were productive, tim Patrick
were productive.
Speaker 5: I believe we won nine to ten games that year, and.
Speaker 4: I thought he was really good. I thought he was
really good taking the pieces that he had and trying
to get the right people of football and still trying
to play complimentary football because you don't want to put
your defense in situations where they will ultimately fail. You
don't want to have interceptions on the minus thirty five
yard line and the offense gets the ball on the
plus twenty because they returned to pick fifteen yards.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: Being in oc particularly at DYU. That's got to be
the hardest job in the freaking world. And it's because
we're talking about we're talking about legends, legends. Lavelle Edwards
is a legend, an offensive legend, Norm Child offensive legend.
I mean, Brian Billock worked there, Mike Holmger, I mean,
just keep going. Andy Reid, oh my god, I mean,
just give it some thought like so that the.
Speaker 5: I don't even I.
Speaker 4: Mean, just the goal to reach the plateau that you're
trying to achieve its Hall of Fame status. Okay, And
then every BYU fan, as every Rabbit fan base, has
an opinion. He doesn't throw the ball to the tight
end enough. You won the game, Well, the tight end
needs to get the ball more. But you won the game, well,
he needs to throw the ball to Chase Roberts more.
Speaker 5: Guys, you won the game.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, does it matter if
you won the freaking game? And that's what I think
gets lost And so I love, like some of the
most fascinating things is listening to educated fan base because
BYU has an educated fan base, and so it's intriguing
how many great offensive coordinators are sitting out there who
doesn't look at.
Speaker 5: Film day in and day out, and.
Speaker 4: We'll complain because we aren't running full back.
Speaker 5: Guy, why aren't we using the fullback one? Well, we
don't have one. Well why is he running the speed
sweep so much?
Speaker 4: Well, guys, on film, that's what they saw that worked.
It's easy to sit back. Well, don'get throw the ball
to the tight end. We got this transfer from Utah.
He's an NFL guy. He needs to touch the ball. No, guys,
the whole objective is when the freaking game get to
the college football playoffs, win the Big twelve.
Speaker 5: That's what matters to me.
Speaker 4: But man, to watch this guy take quarterback after quarterback
after quarterback and be successful is I think is commendable.
And I won't even get into the Utah situation as
far as the players there, but let's talk about BYU. Okay,
you had a first round pick, all right, Zach Wilson,
first round.
Speaker 5: Pick, second pick of the draft. Wow.
Speaker 4: Oh, then you go and you got Jaron Hall. Oh
well he gets drafted.
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then you get Ratlift and or I'm sorry
if I pronounced the name.
Speaker 5: You take this Reslas, I'm sorry you take him and
you take a kid.
Speaker 4: Who was virtually unrecruited, and you win ten games with him.
Guys with noticed send a trend here. So now you
take a kid who walked fresh off of high school
campus and you are eight and old with this kid
ain't and freaking oh. You got to give credit where
credit is due. You gotta give credit where creditors due.
And I give all the credit to a Rod the
offensive staff. I love what Fessi is doing. He's got
those kids believing they can make plays. They don't have
to be the fastest, they don't have to be their
well coached. I watched the route running. The route running
is good. They know how to separate. Chase Roberts is
doing an outstanding job. Kingston played his butt off this
last game. The contested catch he made for the touchdown
and the quarterbacks getting protection. Not to mention, you got
a freaking human bulldozer back. They're playing quarterback that's hurtling
people to running over over people at two hundred and
twenty five pounds. I've read so many statistics on how
big he is. I don't even know how big the
kid is. I mean, i've heard six two to two
twenty five six foot two thirty five.
Speaker 3: I mean, we got it a fut No, he gave
it to his official leagus. I should have I to
have texted you.
Speaker 2: He told us he's two thirty five six thirty five two.
Speaker 4: Six two to two thirty five quarterback that you're using
in the quarterback run game. So we're fitting all these
pieces in and I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I apologize to
the Cougar fan base. Not every player can touch the
ball as much as you like. Your job is to
win the game, and that's what a Rod is doing,
and he's playing complimenting with football.
Speaker 5: The defense is always in good situations.
Speaker 4: They aren't starting on the plus twelve thirteen yard line.
They're freaking protecting the ball. They're running the football. Well,
oh and take away to run last week, Well, we'll
just throw it. We'll just throw it. And I'm gonna
show you I can be a passer. I'm going to
prove to you I'm gonna be able to open up
that playbook just a little bit more and I'm gonna
be a passer. I'm a true freshman, guys, I am
a true freshman. And I will say that is the
best freshman quarterback in the country based on performance.
Speaker 5: I could give a flip about.
Speaker 4: Star ratings, who recruited who that kid is the best
freshman quarterback in the country right now?
Speaker 3: Yep, you know what's funny, And you'm.
Speaker 5: Got to give the coach some credit.
Speaker 3: Well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, soho, anybody that is still hating on no, I'm
and I start to interject, because anybody that's hating on
a Rod still even after this year, their rhetoric turns to, well,
it's only because Bear Bachmeier is his quarterback.
Speaker 3: I'm like, female K nine bro.
Speaker 2: The reason why he's at BYU is because a Rod
recruited him, Like he's here because of a Ron.
Speaker 4: Right, well, let's let's get this straight. The only reason
Andy Reid is Andy Reid is because of Patrick Mahomes.
Come on, guys, give me.
Speaker 3: A break, Give me a break, Give me a break.
Speaker 5: Give me a break. Got players play coaches? Coach?
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, it's a it's a you know, preach.
Speaker 2: Last thing before we let you go, guys, tell us
a little bit about o Yd for any way that's
listening down in the Valley of the Shun.
Speaker 3: How can they come in and train with you guys.
Speaker 4: Now, just look us up on the web. O ye
D Sports h O y D Sports Academy and you can.
You can find us when you'll pull us right up.
We have a great baseball academy. I got three former
pro baseball players that run it. We have any sport
you want. You want your kid to get faster, send
them in. We got a speed coach and that's all
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And don't let your child. If you can provide the
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possible ability that his athletic ability allows, bring them on
in and you.
Speaker 5: Can find us.
Speaker 4: Forty nine sixty West Railroad, Chandler, Arizona and Ben. I'm
waiting for you to get your butt down here so
we can get on the golf for bro.
Speaker 2: You know I got two kids now, I'm working two jobs.
You know you know I don't I don't vacate.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not gonna let you say that you've taken
the most vacations this year, and that's been true.
Speaker 5: To hold it down.
Speaker 2: That's true, you take vacation this year, But I don't
determine where we all go on Maca, sure you don't
determine that I do not determine that I am led
by the leader of our home.
Speaker 3: Better three forces.
Speaker 2: I was like to say, Brook, Brooke says where we go?
So I just have to convince her, like, Hey, I
think I need to go down to Arizona just to
be with my people, you know what I mean. So
I'll see if I can get down the guy. We
love and appreciate you here. Thanks so much for hopping on.
Speaker 5: Hey, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: And Jordan had his first baby, so he's learning like
you learning. Not only does mama run it, but the
kids run the house too. You just there for the ride.
Speaker 2: Have a great hey, love and appreciate you guy. Much
love to you and your family. Shout out to Jordan Leslie.
We gotta get Jordan on the show. We gotta get Jordan.
Speaker 3: You gotta get Jordan. Great, great guy. Holiday. All right, guys,
we're gonna take a brief time out.
Speaker 5: We'll be back.
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