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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Bobo, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Man it? What's up? Clove? Oh?
Speaker 2: This and that biggest uh biggest bright spot in my future?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Is I get to have dinner with Adam Fosky from
Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot tonight?
Speaker 4: What is he working on a show up there? No?
Speaker 2: No, he got out of television altogether, just like several
Speaker 2: of the other producers that we used to work with,
Speaker 2: because TV is a dying industry. Apparently no money et cetera.
Speaker 2: Like people behind the scenes, there's no money because everything's
Speaker 2: getting cut, et cetera. But yeah, so he's doing working
Speaker 2: for a nonprofit and they're doing some sort of event
Speaker 2: up a timber line or something. So get to hang
Speaker 2: out with Adam Fosky tonight and get some high fives in.
Speaker 4: You forgot to have a Bruce palm in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got my ligaments are going
Speaker 2: to be trashed from all the love.
Speaker 4: I got a good field. He can get into horse
Speaker 4: carriage building.
Speaker 2: Horse carriage building. Are there a lot of homish folks
Speaker 2: in your area?
Speaker 4: I was just joking, there's like when the automobiles were
Speaker 4: coming out, and like those horse carriage guys just double
Speaker 4: down on horse carriages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, Well, anyway, we have a Q and
Speaker 2: A today and we have kind of a lot of questions,
Speaker 2: so I think we're got to save our catching up
Speaker 2: for the member section. I definitely have some stuff I
Speaker 2: want to talk to you guys, who talk to you
Speaker 2: about you guys, because I know Matt's back there somewhere.
Speaker 2: But it's a Q and A today. We have quite
Speaker 2: a few voicemails and some written stuff. So why do
Speaker 2: we hop into that and just get through it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a familiar voice from the past that we
Speaker 3: haven't heard in quite a while.
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, guys, Little Dave from South Alabama again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little Dave. Along with my love.
Speaker 5: For bigfoot, I also have a huge love for bass fishing.
Speaker 5: I have several touring pros that when the tournament season
Speaker 5: is over, they do guide and instructional stuff on the water.
Speaker 5: I seem to remember you Cliff doing that at one
Speaker 5: time and Bobo, is that something y'all would consider doing
Speaker 5: it again? I think it would be awesome for a
Speaker 5: one oh one or either a small group of people
Speaker 5: for a guided hiking trip in Sasquatch Country.
Speaker 3: Again, thanks guys.
Speaker 4: I love the show. Yeah, I mean I don't do
Speaker 4: it too often, but because if people don't understand, like if.
Speaker 2: I do it, I want to do it, like right,
Speaker 2: you know, well, yeah, I used to do that sort
Speaker 2: of thing when I was saving money up to buy
Speaker 2: or to basically make the museum. I didn't buy the museum.
Speaker 2: I was making the museum at the time, and I
Speaker 2: needed some extra cash, so I started running expeditions. I
Speaker 2: had a lot of experience, of course, ran a few
Speaker 2: expeditions for the BFRO back when I was a BFRO
Speaker 2: member for Matt, so I knew kind of what it
Speaker 2: took and what it looks like. And I want to
Speaker 2: do something a little extra special, you know, so I
Speaker 2: can charge a little bit more basically, So I supplied
Speaker 2: the food. I supplied a lot of stuff, I got
Speaker 2: the campsit. I did a lot of extra stuff because
Speaker 2: I know what the BFRO o offers and it's a
Speaker 2: great value what they do.
Speaker 4: Do you offer food? You offered the best camp cook
Speaker 4: anywhere I've ever had.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, missus Sharon Bielart exactly, Joe Bilart's wife. Nothing
Speaker 2: but the best, so to speak, you know, And I
Speaker 2: thought it was still pretty reasonable. I mean I had
Speaker 2: special guests come out. Bobo was a special guest on
Speaker 2: a couple of these things. Doctor Meldrum came out, Derek
Speaker 2: Randalls came out as a special guest. So I think
Speaker 2: I offered a really high quality product. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: did that for two or three years in a row
Speaker 2: to try to save more money for the museum. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, people just don't realize
Speaker 2: the extensive work that goes into planning and working on that.
Speaker 2: For my area of mountain Hood National Forest. Of course,
Speaker 2: if you're I charged people money to come out, So
Speaker 2: if you're making money on government land, well the government
Speaker 2: wants their cut. So what you have to do is
Speaker 2: you have to apply for a permit. And in my
Speaker 2: neck of the woods, other every single national force is
Speaker 2: different by the way. They all have their own rules,
Speaker 2: their own timelines and calendars. Everything is different no matter
Speaker 2: where you go. But in my National forest mountain Hood
Speaker 2: National Force, which is one of the most visited national
Speaker 2: forests in the entire country. You actually have to file
Speaker 2: for that permit for like, say I wanted to go
Speaker 2: this summer like right now, say I had one coming
Speaker 2: up this weekend, I would have had to file for
Speaker 2: that permit last October November, I think they're due November
Speaker 2: first or middle of the month or something. So that's
Speaker 2: what you have to do. You have to plan that
Speaker 2: far ahead, tell them how many people you're going to have,
Speaker 2: even though you may not know it, so you always
Speaker 2: sell them the maximum. Then you have to tell them,
Speaker 2: like for me, for our purposes, we're basically going out
Speaker 2: and walking roads tonight, right, I had to tell them
Speaker 2: what roads I was going to be on and how
Speaker 2: far I was going to There's a lot of things
Speaker 2: they need to know that there's no way of knowing.
Speaker 2: And I and of course I talked to the permitting
Speaker 2: people at a mountain National Forest and I said, well,
Speaker 2: this is what we do. And if you know, if
Speaker 2: if I say these roads and there's a sighting five
Speaker 2: miles away a couple of days before, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go there, right, And they basically said, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I understand that you'd probably do that, but just
Speaker 2: so you know, the permit, you wouldn't be permitted for that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's like a gray areas. I'm getting
Speaker 2: the I'm doing. I'm doing my best to follow the rules,
Speaker 2: but if I have to break the rules, and so
Speaker 2: be it. You know, it's one of those things. And
Speaker 2: they understood it. But and I don't think that. I mean,
Speaker 2: since human beings run the thing, I think they would
Speaker 2: probably understand and I would get some slack. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, if that had happened, I tech it
Speaker 2: would be a gray area sort of thing. I got
Speaker 2: the permit, but enough for the right location, and I
Speaker 2: could I could feasibly get in trouble depending on the
Speaker 2: inferiority complex of the particular person I was dealing with
Speaker 2: in the government at the time. You know, essentially what
Speaker 2: it comes down to, Yeah, because a lot most government
Speaker 2: workers I find are just fantastic people and really really
Speaker 2: helpful and they like their job and they're there to serve.
Speaker 2: And there's some that aren't. Basically there's some that have
Speaker 2: a power trip on it, you know, unlike anywhere else.
Speaker 2: You know, that's no different than any corporate structure or
Speaker 2: anywhere else for that matter. But I don't do that
Speaker 2: anymore because of the hassle and it just takes so
Speaker 2: much planning, and I don't have the time anymore. I
Speaker 2: used to do one of one of these expeditions a month.
Speaker 2: We got some great stuff. I mean, there were daylight
Speaker 2: sightings on some of my trips, footprint finds, lots of
Speaker 2: sounds recorded. It was great. Everybody seemed to have a
Speaker 2: really good time. But I just don't do those anymore
Speaker 2: for several reasons. And the hassle and pre planning and
Speaker 2: the bite that the government takes out of the profit
Speaker 2: on the back side, those are all part of it.
Speaker 2: It just became a big hat and sho oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's another thing. Insurance companies you have to deal. You
Speaker 2: have you legally have to buy insurance for all these
Speaker 2: trips as well. I think it's a million dollar insurance
Speaker 2: policy that you have to take out. And and then
Speaker 2: of course I had NDA's and I had what are
Speaker 2: those documents where like you hurt yourself, you're on your
Speaker 2: own kind of stuff. Really sort of liability, yeah, their
Speaker 2: liability releases, right, So I all those sort of things.
Speaker 2: They all cost money. You know, you have to hire
Speaker 2: lyrics to write these things and all that stuff. So
Speaker 2: it just the hassle going into it.
Speaker 4: And then you got to spend a lot of time
Speaker 4: talking to people and like screening people make sure they're
Speaker 4: like you're on the same page like what they were expecting,
Speaker 4: and you spend a lot of time on the phone.
Speaker 4: And then when I do it, I don't want to
Speaker 4: take people out just like random, Like I go out
Speaker 4: for like the week ahead of time and scout like
Speaker 4: you know, you're burning a bunch of fuel and you're time,
Speaker 4: Like you know, you go out there in scott because
Speaker 4: I want to try to be on the best lucky,
Speaker 4: best hopeful spot to get some some kind of response.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's expensive. Then you know, hire someone
Speaker 4: to come out and I'm not a cook, like you know,
Speaker 4: hire like a real cook to come out, like cause
Speaker 4: you know, I want to make it like a top
Speaker 4: flight experience. So it's they think like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll bring a twelve pack or something. You know, It's like, dude,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a it's an expensive endeavor and you
Speaker 4: know to do a top flight one. But I guess
Speaker 4: there's kind of maybe talking more about like just like
Speaker 4: a day hike situation. But where I'm out, it's kind
Speaker 4: of there's not a lot of people, like there's not
Speaker 4: a huge demand for that. Like you're I mean, you're
Speaker 4: outside of Portland, so you got three million people whatever,
Speaker 4: like within how closer drive do you? Yeah, I need it.
Speaker 2: If you're going out for the day, you still have
Speaker 2: to get that permit. If you're accepting money, And I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean rich people write the rules. Rich
Speaker 2: people write them so they can break them. I get it,
Speaker 2: you know. But sometimes people say, well, I just I'll
Speaker 2: dis label it as you know, a donation to the
Speaker 2: museum or something like that, or a gift to a friend.
Speaker 2: They say, well, yeah, but this still is kind of
Speaker 2: a gray area and stuff. And as much as I'd
Speaker 2: love to do that sort of stuff, sometimes just the
Speaker 2: hassle and I don't know what kind of people these
Speaker 2: are and all that kind of stuff, I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: this is not really it doesn't seem to me to
Speaker 2: be worth it for my time because I have so
Speaker 2: little time as it is.
Speaker 4: I am the I am just actually gonna sign a
Speaker 4: little deal with there's a local outdoor store up here.
Speaker 4: My buddy Aaron owns it, and I'm going to start
Speaker 4: doing like a couple of year guided trips up in
Speaker 4: the Bluff Creek or down here on Redwoods, and they're
Speaker 4: going to handle all the paperwork, all the logistics. His
Speaker 4: companies called Bigfoot adventures. They do like diving, like guided
Speaker 4: diving trips, fishing trips, surfing trips, hikes in the Redwoods,
Speaker 4: night night stuff like they they have for like a
Speaker 4: broad broad ray stuff. And he said, on the big
Speaker 4: foot stuff, he always gets asked how do they how
Speaker 4: does someone hire me? And he just said, I keep
Speaker 4: getting asked that you want to do so I said,
Speaker 4: I'll be a couple. You know, I got to do
Speaker 4: very many.
Speaker 2: But see that's the way to do it because one
Speaker 2: of the ways around the permitting process that I had
Speaker 2: to go through. See, they don't have anything for bigfoot obviously,
Speaker 2: that National Forest Service doesn't give permits for that. They
Speaker 2: give permits for like one or one or three day events,
Speaker 2: you like a rafting race or a bicycle race or
Speaker 2: hike or that kind of stuff. You know, they give
Speaker 2: permits for that. But another way around it is not
Speaker 2: like it's a workaround. But another avenue you could go
Speaker 2: to is go through is getting a guide permit of
Speaker 2: some sort, like a hunting guide, because that's basically the
Speaker 2: same sort of thing. A hunting guide permit would work
Speaker 2: great for that, and it sounds like that's what those
Speaker 2: people have, because that gives you a lot more flexibility.
Speaker 2: It just costs a lot. The costs are different, and
Speaker 2: then the loops or the hoops you got to jump
Speaker 2: through are all different. So that's another way you could
Speaker 2: do it that I would consider. Like if I enjoyed
Speaker 2: doing these more and I wanted to hang out with
Speaker 2: people I never knew, I never met and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, which I'm not really that kind of guy,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd like to be alone for the most part.
Speaker 2: If I was that kind of person, that's definitely what
Speaker 2: I would do. I would go get a hunting guide
Speaker 2: to permit and then use that for sasquatch stuff.
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Speaker 7: Hey guys, this is JD from North Georgia, which makes
Speaker 7: Matt my favorite. So I've heard stories over the years
Speaker 7: of fishermen running into Bigfoot, although I have not specifically
Speaker 7: heard if they are different fish in the areas of
Speaker 7: the country that Bigfoot prefer. I assume salmon and Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 7: probably trout here in the southeast.
Speaker 1: Love to hear your thoughts, Matt. I'd love to shake
Speaker 1: your hand one day. You're a good man, JD. You know,
Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth. Matt is also my favorite. He
Speaker 1: does the line's share of the work here, so same here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you two are my favorite.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: As far as fish species go. I don't think sasquatches
Speaker 2: care at all. No, they're out there eating bugs. They're
Speaker 2: out there eating like roadkill, raccoons and stuff. They're not
Speaker 2: connoisseurs of you know, fish.
Speaker 4: Well, it definitely go for catfish in a lot of
Speaker 4: part of the country. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's whatever they can catch and what's available.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like big. I mean, they obviously want to
Speaker 4: get something big. The bigger the better. I've heard of
Speaker 4: them grabbing carp out of ponds too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one that was on the in Saley, Arizona, on
Speaker 2: the Danae University campus that we looked into for finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: that one came out of one of the canyons and
Speaker 2: waded into the lake and it came out of the
Speaker 2: lake and there were where it came out according to
Speaker 2: the footprint tracks, there was a chewed up carp you know,
Speaker 2: that had partially eaten carp that had been thrown on
Speaker 2: the ground. But I think it's whatever's easy to catch.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Here in the Pacific Northwest, you know there's salmon and
Speaker 2: flopping on the side of the lot of rivers at
Speaker 2: certain times a year as they're spawned out. I think
Speaker 2: that those would be easily scooped up and taken away
Speaker 2: if noodle and for catfish is something that I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a bit surprised if they figured that thing out,
Speaker 2: you know, because they're so fast, you know, they can
Speaker 2: catch you know, rattlesnakes at their bare hands, they can
Speaker 2: probably catch fish. And certainly I've as a kid, I
Speaker 2: would scoot around in these old trout rivers and trout
Speaker 2: creeks and stuff and try to, you know, scoop fish
Speaker 2: out of the river and that sort of thing. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure they do the same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the North Georgia, since JD's from there as well,
Speaker 3: send me an email through the podcast, JD, let me
Speaker 3: know what part of North Georgia are you're from. I
Speaker 3: don't have that many reports. I can't think of any
Speaker 3: that come to mind, but yeah, I would assume trout
Speaker 3: would be the predominant one, and there's plenty of hatcheries around.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: They do stalk a lot of those creeks and streams,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But yeah, as far as like private ponds,
Speaker 3: you definitely get reports of them taking catfish or whatever.
Speaker 3: People stalk in those ponds. Most of the reports that
Speaker 3: I know of from North Georgia involve other animals like deer,
Speaker 3: you know, other living creatures being taken, So it's not
Speaker 3: quite as prevalent as it is in the Northwest, where
Speaker 3: you have a lot of reports in them taking salmon.
Speaker 3: Do people report them taking like sturgeon or anything like
Speaker 3: that up there?
Speaker 2: I don't know how they'd catch a sturgeon. Those things
Speaker 2: are kind of bottom feeders in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, much shot at sturgeon. Yeah, most of
Speaker 2: the reports I know of. They kind of hang out
Speaker 2: in that places where the fishermen clean their fish to
Speaker 2: go for the gut piles and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: That makes it. I've never fished for a sturgeon. I've
Speaker 3: just seen pictures of them. It seems like be a
Speaker 3: lot of food. Yeah, be a tremendous amount of food.
Speaker 2: And but again, they're kind of you know, their their
Speaker 2: mouth is on the bottom of their body, so they're
Speaker 2: the kind of bottom They feed along the bottom basically
Speaker 2: is the gist of it. And you know they're not
Speaker 2: they're pretty deeped a lot of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's going to be whatever's in creeks and
Speaker 3: streams rather than like deep wide rivers, although I.
Speaker 4: Did get a couple of reports out of the peninsula
Speaker 4: where the river did to like horseshoe bends and a
Speaker 4: rown really slowed down there with some like pools and stuff.
Speaker 4: The natives saw the trial members there saw a large
Speaker 4: group like a dozen. It's like that nursery. That nursery
Speaker 4: rounds area whatever the for the juveniles, like they'd have
Speaker 4: like a bunch of I guess the adults would, according
Speaker 4: to the locals, or they drop them off in this
Speaker 4: one area and then the bigger adolescents would watch out
Speaker 4: for the smaller ones. I guess what they said was
Speaker 4: that when the babies got too big to carry on
Speaker 4: their backs, like at certain times the ear and they
Speaker 4: traveled further for food, that they'd leave them all in
Speaker 4: this one area and then come then the adults should
Speaker 4: come back. And they said that they saw that the
Speaker 4: sasquatches were like great swimmers. They would go out and
Speaker 4: they'd pin up in one of the tight turns of
Speaker 4: the horseshop and they'd pin up like a school of salmon,
Speaker 4: and then swim around and they they'd catch them and
Speaker 4: when they got out, they'd run up on the bank
Speaker 4: and like totally, like not sure that they'd run over it,
Speaker 4: like they were holding up football, like not wanting to fumble,
Speaker 4: and like run by the other ones and eat it
Speaker 4: by themselves real fast. And when they got down to
Speaker 4: like three or four left, there wasn't enough of them
Speaker 4: to catch any where. Those last three or four would
Speaker 4: just get out of the river knowing that they couldn't
Speaker 4: catch any anymore. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: But I've only heard that from that area. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't think fish is a huge portion of
Speaker 2: their diet, just because they are so hard to get,
Speaker 2: you know. I think obviously they're lying around the bank
Speaker 2: and something, they're definitely gonna eat them. I just don't
Speaker 2: think that that's a huge portion of their diet.
Speaker 4: Nay. Also rating, well, it's salmon again, rating the fish
Speaker 4: pins for the patcheries before they release, when they get
Speaker 4: up the big the tank for the biggest fish before release.
Speaker 4: They've been seen pilfering those things like up and down
Speaker 4: the West coast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and of course we've all heard the stories
Speaker 2: of them rating the like the nets that native folks
Speaker 2: use to catch salmon, like the gillnets or whatever they're called.
Speaker 2: But as far as species, I don't think they care.
Speaker 2: Meat is meat, especially when you're eating you know, you know,
Speaker 2: dead possums from the side of the road. I don't
Speaker 2: think they care so much.
Speaker 3: No, but it is a great question. So thanks for that,
Speaker 3: j D. And yeah, soon an email. Let me know
Speaker 3: what part of Norhichwards you are from. So here's another
Speaker 3: voice from the past, the og finding Bigfoot fan Michael, Hey,
Speaker 3: cliff Man, Bobo. How are my friends doing today? I'll
Speaker 3: get right to it.
Speaker 9: This past spring, me and my girlfriend went hiking in
Speaker 9: the New Jersey Pine barrens, kind of right across the
Speaker 9: street where I possibly might have found a few haven
Speaker 9: hour track a couple.
Speaker 4: Of years ago.
Speaker 9: And while we were walking, I looked off to my
Speaker 9: side and saw like a flash of brown and like
Speaker 9: the little white thing and something heavy getting up. And
Speaker 9: I'm initially thinking, okay, I might have just you know,
Speaker 9: spooked a buck, a white tailed deer, and that was it,
Speaker 9: you know, that was the white of it's tail going off.
Speaker 9: But then after thinking about it, I'm like, huh, the
Speaker 9: thing again did sound really heavy, So I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Are you guys aware if white tail deer.
Speaker 9: Bucks sound heavy when they get up in any sort
Speaker 9: of way, or did I possibly maybe disturb a bigfoot
Speaker 9: that was resting there as it got up, And initially
Speaker 9: I'm not going to that, but initially going with it
Speaker 9: was a deer, but you know, never know because just
Speaker 9: the bottom apartment also might have been his feet that
Speaker 9: I saw. But hey, I hope you guys are all
Speaker 9: having a good day. Love you guys, Cliff and Matt.
Speaker 9: I'll see you guys in November. And Kentucky see it.
Speaker 3: And yes, that was Michael Madden. He didn't say his
Speaker 3: name in the voicemail, but I could see from the
Speaker 3: submission that it was him, So thank you, Michael. And yes,
Speaker 3: deer make a lot of noise when they're trying to
Speaker 3: get away from you. You know, they can be very
Speaker 3: quiet when they're trying to, you know, sneak around or
Speaker 3: be undetected. But I just jumped to deer in my
Speaker 3: neighborhood the other day. That was like right at the
Speaker 3: edge of the tree line, at the edge of where
Speaker 3: I walked circles around the neighborhood and spooked it and
Speaker 3: it crashed off and it was so loud it was
Speaker 3: pretty hilarious, Like it was just frantically trying to get
Speaker 3: away because I rounded a bind and I guess it
Speaker 3: didn't see me until I was super close to it,
Speaker 3: and it was very very loud, and I thought even
Speaker 3: in that moment, like, oh man, if I had heard
Speaker 3: that in the middle of nowhere, I might not have
Speaker 3: immediately assumed it was a deer because it was so
Speaker 3: loud and that wasn't even a buck, it was just
Speaker 3: a dough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on the time of the season. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's this time of the year, like end of summer,
Speaker 4: early fall, you know, or midsummer, when things are dry
Speaker 4: and there's dry leaf litter everywhere, I mean, and broken
Speaker 4: like dried out twigs and branches that are just ready
Speaker 4: to snap, like you know, like that dry snap something.
Speaker 4: It can sound really loud.
Speaker 2: Everything's claud this time of year because of that same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: most likely it was a deer because there's a whole
Speaker 2: lot more of those and sasquatches, that's for sure. But
Speaker 2: Pian Barns is a wonderful place to go bigfooting. It
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite places that I went on
Speaker 2: the show. At least it was great that was cool.
Speaker 4: I was. I was shocked how rad that place was.
Speaker 2: It far exceeded my expectations, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and given that he saw it, you know, it
Speaker 3: seemed like from the visual identification, it looked like a deer,
Speaker 3: So I would assume that was probably a deer, which
Speaker 3: you know, Michael said, he assumed initially. But yes, they
Speaker 3: can be very very loud and sound very heavy, so
Speaker 3: that's the most likely culprit.
Speaker 4: But you should be encouraged that you had a possibility,
Speaker 4: even if it probably wasn't, should motivate you more to
Speaker 4: get out there.
Speaker 3: There you go, indeed, and we will see you at
Speaker 3: cryptocod in Lexington, Kentucky the weekend before Thanksgiving. I don't
Speaker 3: have those dates in front of me, but i'll put
Speaker 3: a link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: I'm booked. I'll be there, all right.
Speaker 3: So this is from one of our pigeons, but he
Speaker 3: sent it to the main voicemail, so I assume it
Speaker 3: is for the main show. Hey, gentlemen, this is Jay Charlotte.
Speaker 4: Thank you for taking my question.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering what sasquatch research item or items calls you
Speaker 3: the most buyer's remorse.
Speaker 4: Thank you the catchum study.
Speaker 2: You paid for it in my reputation, I guess you
Speaker 2: did pay for it.
Speaker 3: I did rewatch the Conan O'Brien clip recently, because when
Speaker 3: I was visiting my dad, I was I showed him
Speaker 3: that because you know, there's not a whole lot of
Speaker 3: there just finding bigfoot clips. But then you know, there's
Speaker 3: not a whole lot of like big interview clips, but
Speaker 3: that one was on there, and I had forgotten that
Speaker 3: you would. You had mentioned that study, which was promising
Speaker 3: at the time, so who could blame it?
Speaker 10: Cliff warned me like the day before when I was all,
Speaker 10: don't don't, I wouldn't quote that, it's not and then
Speaker 10: men was like I talked to was like, oh don't don't.
Speaker 10: Uh yeah, I wouldn't be quoting that, you know, like,
Speaker 10: don't be saying that's the for sure thing.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is definitely it. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes back to that thing I say often
Speaker 2: is that if you're talking about Bigfoot for a living,
Speaker 2: you're probably going to be wrong kind of a lot.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 3: I think in terms of Jay's question, it's a great
Speaker 3: question because people are always asking for gear recommendations, but
Speaker 3: not enough people I think ask about, like, what did
Speaker 3: you buy that you regret the most. That's just like
Speaker 3: throwing money away. And to me, they all fall in
Speaker 3: the category of optics, and it's you know, I would
Speaker 3: say it's a toss up between any sort of low
Speaker 3: resolution or low refresh rate thermal Those are basically worthless.
Speaker 3: They're better than nothing, but you will really regret it
Speaker 3: if you spend the money on that. Any sort of
Speaker 3: night vision unit is basically not great for our purposes
Speaker 3: and for me personally. I know the technology has changed
Speaker 3: a lot, but one of the things I bought when
Speaker 3: I did that full time project was a GoPro, just
Speaker 3: thinking I would use the head strap or a chest strap.
Speaker 3: But at that time, this would have been like twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: You know, they had these little proprietary batteries with like
Speaker 3: a proprietary connector you couldn't just swap out like double
Speaker 3: as or triple as or whatever, and they only held
Speaker 3: a charge for so long because you know, those were
Speaker 3: like action cameras. They were used for like whitewater rapids
Speaker 3: or you know, doing tricks or stunts like BMX, biking, skateboarding,
Speaker 3: et They weren't meant to like document a six hour hike,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so I just found like, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't useful because you don't know when something's going
Speaker 3: to happen, so you need a camera that's on all
Speaker 3: the time. And to facilitate that, you either need a
Speaker 3: long lasting battery or something that you can just constantly
Speaker 3: swap out batteries easily. And so I had to buy
Speaker 3: a bunch of these proprietary batteries and only lasted for
Speaker 3: a little while, and I was like, man, I really regret.
Speaker 2: Buying this thing and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So I would say cheap thermals, any sort of night
Speaker 3: vision scope, and a GoPro those are my biggest buyers.
Speaker 4: Remorse, I agree, you know that that. Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: thinking it's like more expensive things, but yeah, cheap optics
Speaker 4: and like people all the time and go like I
Speaker 4: got this new unit, you know, I got this night
Speaker 4: vision and it's like you look at it, it's like
Speaker 4: seventy nine dollars or one hundred and twenty nine dollars.
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you just threw away your money. And
Speaker 4: then I'd say my other biggest regret was I bought
Speaker 4: six of those TKSE scouts. Those Fleer TCSE scouts are
Speaker 4: like five hundred bucks. I got to like on half
Speaker 4: a dozen of them for like four forty five or
Speaker 4: four thirty five or something like that. So I bought
Speaker 4: six of them. And those things just are such garbage.
Speaker 2: See now, I bought six of those for the expeditions
Speaker 2: that I was running to kind of circle back to
Speaker 2: a previous conversation here, and the customers seem to like them,
Speaker 2: but they aren't something unless the sasquatch is standing in
Speaker 2: your camp on the other side of the fire, You're
Speaker 2: not going to get good footage with it. It's more
Speaker 2: of a like a spotter scope. If anything, there's something
Speaker 2: in there, take a look.
Speaker 4: We use them. We deployed them as you detect a
Speaker 4: heat source and then we'll look at what the with
Speaker 4: the good therm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what you have to do with it.
Speaker 2: So I do agree that. I mean I still have them.
Speaker 2: Of course, I probably probably just sell them at some point,
Speaker 2: you know, but I still have those do kind of
Speaker 2: I don't really regret buying them, because that was one
Speaker 2: of the selling points of the expeditions, is that every
Speaker 2: other person because I limited my my load to ten
Speaker 2: or twelve people. Every other person had had a flair
Speaker 2: in their hands. I mean it wasn't a great fleair,
Speaker 2: but it was flear nonetheless. But you know, to go
Speaker 2: in the opposite side of that, I bought a when
Speaker 2: we came back from the Paul on finding Bigfoot. The
Speaker 2: moisture and Nepaul destroyed one of my recording devices and
Speaker 2: we were in Chicago, and that was very sick in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I I got food poisoning from the plane and Bobo
Speaker 2: saved my life. And that in Chicago. Actually hero, I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that story. Oh yeah, well I think he's
Speaker 2: pretty much saved my life. And my perspective was like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to have three days down to
Speaker 2: kind of get used to the time zone. After we
Speaker 2: flew back from Nepaul, and the first woke up the
Speaker 2: first morning, it's like, well, we gotta do laundry, you know.
Speaker 2: So I was going to go do laundry with everybody
Speaker 2: and meet everybody at noon. Well I got down there
Speaker 2: and we're all meeting and so there's no room for
Speaker 2: me in the car, and Bobo, being the good guy,
Speaker 2: is is I'll take your lung. I'll throw it in
Speaker 2: before you don't worry about it. So I gave him my
Speaker 2: laundry and I went back up to the room, and
Speaker 2: like two hours later, the food poisoning hit me and
Speaker 2: and it it worked me. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: been so sick from food poisoning. Like for the next
Speaker 2: four hours, probably I would just randomly wake up somewhere,
Speaker 2: eat between my bed and the toilet, and like I
Speaker 2: would just I pass out, like i'd crawl. I find
Speaker 2: myself passed out on the floor. I just wake up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the floor somewhere in my room.
Speaker 2: And it's like I was such a mess. In about
Speaker 2: six or six thirty, there's a knock on my door
Speaker 2: and I go and it's Bobo. He goes, hey, Cliff,
Speaker 2: I got your law, dude, you look like crap, and
Speaker 2: what do you need And I said, I don't know, Bobo,
Speaker 2: I feel terror And he went to the store and
Speaker 2: bought me food and gatorade and everything, like cause I
Speaker 2: was a mess, dude, Like if I would have been
Speaker 2: left alone for their day, like I could have died
Speaker 2: from dehydration or god knows what I was.
Speaker 4: His skin color was white, and green like literally had
Speaker 4: green tins to his whole face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in a bad I was in a
Speaker 2: bad spot, man, So you saved my life as far
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned. But anyway, when we're there, like on
Speaker 2: the third day, I was so bummed because Chicago seems
Speaker 2: like an awesome town to go poke around in and
Speaker 2: I've never been there before. And I spent you know,
Speaker 2: basically two and a half days in bed because we
Speaker 2: had to film one day four. So anyway, that last day,
Speaker 2: I was well enough to get out of bed and
Speaker 2: I wanted to go see the city a little bit.
Speaker 2: And it's not like I was going out drinking and
Speaker 2: going to restaurants, just kind of slow walking. But I
Speaker 2: wandered over to a music store and I bought myself
Speaker 2: a pretty nice recording device. It's like four hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty bucks or something like that, and I kind of
Speaker 2: regret that there's no need for that, because the recorders
Speaker 2: I finally settled in on at this point in my
Speaker 2: life costs about one hundred bucks one hundred and ten bucks.
Speaker 2: And I love those because you can leave them out
Speaker 2: in the rain, and well, if you leave them, they're
Speaker 2: not waterproof, but if you leave them out in the rain,
Speaker 2: you're only down one hundred bucks. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I have like four or five of these things now
Speaker 2: because I keep thinking I ruined them and I didn't.
Speaker 4: We are they olympus?
Speaker 2: No, No, I got a little task scam the dr
Speaker 2: fives or I don't know what. I've had to look
Speaker 2: at the number for you. But they're great. Little units
Speaker 2: are small. So I bought a really nice unit with
Speaker 2: a multiple track recording. It's like, that's completely unnecessary. I
Speaker 2: still have it. It's still a great unit, it's still wonderful,
Speaker 2: but I don't use it in the field. So that's
Speaker 2: something I have buyer's remorse.
Speaker 3: Amount you just prompted an idea. I mean, one thing
Speaker 3: I have buyer's remorse about I'm looking at it right
Speaker 3: now is a few years ago I bought a brand
Speaker 3: new Osprey at most AG fifty men's backpack and backpack
Speaker 3: for doing some of those back country trips, and then
Speaker 3: I've just stayed using the same pack I've been using
Speaker 3: since like six So if any listeners or pigeons out
Speaker 3: there want to buy a like new Osprey at most
Speaker 3: AG fifty, let me know, because I definitely regret buying that,
Speaker 3: and it's sitting here on my shelf. It has never
Speaker 3: been used. It's never left this basement's never been out
Speaker 3: in the field. So I regret it. But it can
Speaker 3: be yours.
Speaker 2: We could do, we can do a big thing to
Speaker 2: be on garage sales episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we still haven't had any offers from the pigeon
Speaker 3: on Bobo's truck, So Bobo, maybe you want to tell
Speaker 3: the main listeners about.
Speaker 2: It at this point.
Speaker 4: Twenty seventeen. Laramie Dodge Ram. It's got the comfort package, moonroof,
Speaker 4: sliding roar window. It's got a four thousand dollars camper
Speaker 4: show on the locking gun. It's a tall boy like
Speaker 4: the high rise camper show. It's got a locking gun
Speaker 4: box in it. It's got brand new custom or not
Speaker 4: Customer's got brand new off road Michelin tires. It's one
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty thousand miles.
Speaker 3: What happens if they're a California resident?
Speaker 2: What do they get? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got a big footer plate. It says bigfooter
Speaker 4: on the plate, so you have the plate too.
Speaker 3: Send them in, folks, sending your offers. Relieve us of
Speaker 3: our buyer's remorse.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 6: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So thank you Jay. And here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 4: Hello and Cliff, Bobo and Matt.
Speaker 11: It's Pull here from Queensland, Australia, Gold Coast and I
Speaker 11: just had a question regarding multiple sightings. They seem to
Speaker 11: be some people who are lucky enough to have all
Speaker 11: sorts of sightings, and I was wondering if you had
Speaker 11: a theory about that.
Speaker 4: Why it is that they.
Speaker 11: Seem to be attracted to Bigfoot perhaps or are they
Speaker 11: just lucky?
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 11: I was just wondering if you had a theory of
Speaker 11: how that seems to happen, because you know, there are
Speaker 11: other people who've been looking for years, decades and have
Speaker 11: never seen a thing. Some people just seem to be
Speaker 11: I don't know, is it lucky? So yeah, thank you
Speaker 11: very much. Also, i'd love to know if you might
Speaker 11: ever be thinking about coming back to Queensland. Thanks very much.
Speaker 4: Guys. Keep a squatching. Oh man, I'd love to go back.
Speaker 4: That's the place. That place is special. Yeah, the Gold
Speaker 4: Coast is awesome, I mean Blue Mountains I like the
Speaker 4: Gold Coast, but in the Blue Mountains places epic and
Speaker 4: I think it's a matter well they say luck is
Speaker 4: preparation meets opportunity whatever, but I mean I think it's luck.
Speaker 4: I mean being prepared, like you know, being alert that hells.
Speaker 4: But for me, it's all been pretty much. I mean,
Speaker 4: put yourself in the right area, but it's been luck. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a matter of the person being
Speaker 2: attracted to the sasquatches or the sasquatches being attracted to
Speaker 2: the person at all. I think it's almost completely dumb luck.
Speaker 2: But you got to put yourself in the right place
Speaker 2: to have that luck happen. Obviously, if you go to
Speaker 2: places where sasquatches are not, you can be the luckiest
Speaker 2: person in the world. You're not going to see one.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a matter of for me at least,
Speaker 2: and I haven't seen you know, I haven't seen like
Speaker 2: five or eight bigfoots or anything like that. Don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong, but it seems to me that the best
Speaker 2: strategy is go often to a place where you think
Speaker 2: they are, and that's really about it. But as far
Speaker 2: as people seeing multiple sasquatches, back in the day. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think John Green even said, or if he didn't say,
Speaker 2: the insinuated that if anybody who claims multiple sightings is
Speaker 2: probably lying. They said, well, that's not true at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, although he did say that it's certainlyossible to
Speaker 2: see them more often, but you kind of have to
Speaker 2: wonder about it, I think, is the way he worded it.
Speaker 2: More or less, you kind of have to wonder about
Speaker 2: these people unless there's just a good area. If you're
Speaker 2: in a really good area and they're cruising around, maybe
Speaker 2: you have a chance to see him. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm still working on it, so I
Speaker 2: have to get back to you on that one. And gosh,
Speaker 2: I would love to go back to Australia for whatever
Speaker 2: it's worth. In fact, Chad Hamill, former showrunner for Finding Big,
Speaker 2: but he just moved to Australia, so I've got friends
Speaker 2: down there now. So yeah, there's good stuff happening. I'd
Speaker 2: love to get back down there, but we'll see.
Speaker 4: I could go back and defend my title. Is cool
Speaker 4: and got a chicken fight champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. You're not You're not the young
Speaker 2: Bucky used to be Bobs I think.
Speaker 4: I could still. I could take those Aussi's out. I
Speaker 4: got Brenda on my back. We could do it.
Speaker 2: Sell tickets to that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The researchers that come to mind that I trust that
Speaker 3: describe multiple sidings. One of them had about half a
Speaker 3: dozen sidings, and that was at a place that he
Speaker 3: was at nearly full time for five years. The other
Speaker 3: ones would have been closer to like, maybe into a
Speaker 3: dozen sidings, and that was a place they were at
Speaker 3: for many hundreds of days and nights over a decade,
Speaker 3: a little over a decade actually, so over.
Speaker 4: Ten years, you know.
Speaker 3: So there there certainly are people who can have multiple
Speaker 3: sightings intentionally given enough time in the right place and
Speaker 3: by time, you know, you measure that time in years,
Speaker 3: in the in days and nights numbering in the hundreds.
Speaker 3: But I think to Cliff and Bobo's points, it is
Speaker 3: about being in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 3: And so if you find the right place and you
Speaker 3: can be there as close to all the time as possible,
Speaker 3: your odds do go up.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I've seen a lot of silhouette, not
Speaker 4: a lot, but I've seen several silhouettes, and like you know, thermal,
Speaker 4: you know, at the distance. But I still have I
Speaker 4: still haven't had that setting where I've seen like muscles
Speaker 4: and you know, see the face and I got a glimpse.
Speaker 4: I got a glimpse of half of a face and
Speaker 4: half of us of a body of a squash. But
Speaker 4: it was so it was just like it was like
Speaker 4: a blink of an eye. It was was a So
Speaker 4: I still haven't had that like defining just jaw dropping,
Speaker 4: like oh my god, like one of those sidings like
Speaker 4: daylight or you know, car headlights or you know, well illuminated,
Speaker 4: nothing like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and both And if I can say I have
Speaker 2: two sightings, which would be weird. I think that the
Speaker 2: one in North Carolina was a sasquatch, but I even
Speaker 2: have doubts about that sometimes. And the one in Texas,
Speaker 2: who knows what that was. I mean maybe it was.
Speaker 2: I mean both of my if I count both of
Speaker 2: them even as sightings, they don't even add up to
Speaker 2: one good one. So they're both class B B minus,
Speaker 2: I would say. But whatever, So luck, Yeah, just keep
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Yeah, being out there all the time, like Bobo said,
Speaker 3: luck is where preparation meets opportunity. But you can make
Speaker 3: opportunity and the other saying that I really love is
Speaker 3: like opportunity dances, but only with those who are already
Speaker 3: on the dance floor. So get your dance and shoes on, Paul,
Speaker 3: get out there here ease. Another voicemail.
Speaker 12: Hi guys, Matt from Cleveland, Ohio. Again, Cliff, I mention
Speaker 12: you at the Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival in Kentucky.
Speaker 12: And man, that wasn't honor, Like I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 12: believe that I met you, and and I saw Jeff
Speaker 12: Melsrum and the Mountain monsters. But my question that I
Speaker 12: that I thought of is I saw the Patterson film
Speaker 12: and the Freeman film, and I've heard people talk about
Speaker 12: this that when they when the creatures walk, it's like
Speaker 12: a rise, pause and fall movement and they say that's
Speaker 12: like the mid tarsal break doing that or causing that.
Speaker 12: I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. And
Speaker 12: and if you guys have ever noticed that with the
Speaker 12: with those Bigfoot videos kind of that that specific movement.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and like always keep it squashy hmm. Well,
Speaker 2: the rise, pause and fall thing. You can see that
Speaker 2: in the in the pall in the Freeman footage, both
Speaker 2: Freeman footages, which is interesting, But Patty, I don't think,
Speaker 2: really does that at all. She has more that smooth
Speaker 2: glide that is often reported, and I think that is
Speaker 2: mostly a function of the speed that the animal is walking.
Speaker 2: The Freeman animal wasn't walking very quickly. It wasn't trying
Speaker 2: to get out and necessarily trying to leave the area immediately.
Speaker 2: It actually exposed itself and looked at Paul pretty good
Speaker 2: and then as maybe like, hey, watch yourself kind of think,
Speaker 2: and Patty did the same thing. But Patty in the
Speaker 2: PG film, she just basically walked, kind of assessed the situation,
Speaker 2: took a look at the guys, and walked away. People
Speaker 2: criticized the PG film by saying, well, why didn't you
Speaker 2: just run off into the woods or whatever, But she
Speaker 2: did very typical Sasquatch behavior, something that we call the
Speaker 2: castle and moat idea, where the bigfoots are always in
Speaker 2: the castle and there's always a moat between you and it.
Speaker 2: They basically they try to put some sort of obstacle
Speaker 2: between where it is and where you are. It could
Speaker 2: be a river, it could be a stand of trees.
Speaker 2: In the PG film, it was actually the big the logjam,
Speaker 2: the big pile of debris there. So she took the
Speaker 2: shortest route to get that obstacle between her and Roger
Speaker 2: and Bob, and then she basically walked straight away from them.
Speaker 2: The Freeman footage is a little bit and when she's
Speaker 2: walking by the way, when Patty is walking, it's very
Speaker 2: very smooth. And the step lengths were like forty two
Speaker 2: inches or something if I remember right, forty two forty
Speaker 2: three inches somewhere in there, and so she was kind
Speaker 2: of cooking. She was moving in like five miles an
Speaker 2: hour or something. Somebody did the calculations once. I don't
Speaker 2: remember how how fast that was, but she was going
Speaker 2: pretty fast. Not running, but she was really moving. And
Speaker 2: in fact, I was talking to Isaac t In a
Speaker 2: few months ago he says that at first she wasn't
Speaker 2: moving that fast, and it was when Roger started to
Speaker 2: chasing her, when maybe when Bob crossed the river, that
Speaker 2: she really started hoofing it. And that's when she started
Speaker 2: the arm swings, Like the arms weren't swinging as much
Speaker 2: in the early couple frames of the film. I guess
Speaker 2: when she really started moving, that's when you see the
Speaker 2: inline step, that tight rope walk thing that people make
Speaker 2: way too much of. That's not a consistent feature. That
Speaker 2: it's way overblown, but it does exist. And also her
Speaker 2: arms are swinging and she's really moving, and that's when
Speaker 2: you get the compliant gait. That compliant gate is from
Speaker 2: the bending of the knee to kind of cushion at
Speaker 2: ackt like a shock absorber for their huge mass, and
Speaker 2: that's why you get that not a lot of head
Speaker 2: bob But in the in the framan footage, the thing's
Speaker 2: moving pretty slowly, and I believe that it kind of walked,
Speaker 2: walked through, shot a couple of mean glances at Paul,
Speaker 2: and then walked back towards where it may have picked
Speaker 2: up a juvenile, because if you've seen that section of
Speaker 2: the footage later on, it does seem to be picking
Speaker 2: something up, and it does in fact look like danglely legs,
Speaker 2: like some sort of infant thing. So who knows. And
Speaker 2: to add to it a little bit, it's interesting that Paul.
Speaker 2: I'd have to check the dates on this one, and
Speaker 2: I have to look at my computer right now, but
Speaker 2: Paul filmed another one previously in April, and he never
Speaker 2: released it because it wasn't very good. You can barely
Speaker 2: see anything in it. There's a really lousy version of
Speaker 2: it out on YouTube somewhere I forget where. But that
Speaker 2: same April, though, Paul cast those juvenile footprints. Those were
Speaker 2: like the seven inches or something like that. He casts
Speaker 2: juvenile footprints in the general vicinity of where these things
Speaker 2: were being filmed in nineteen ninety two, And so it
Speaker 2: does kind of make sense that maybe the creature and
Speaker 2: the deduct footage, the famous Freeman footage, does in fact
Speaker 2: picked up something. So I think the animal was kind
Speaker 2: of like maybe showboating in the sect for a moment
Speaker 2: to kind of show Paul like I'm here, I'm big
Speaker 2: and bad. You stay there, And then it walked pretty
Speaker 2: much directly towards where it may be picking up the
Speaker 2: juvenile later. We don't know, but different gates, different bounce
Speaker 2: to the head because different speeds of the walk, and
Speaker 2: I think that has a lot to do with them.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 6: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And so here's the last of the voicemails before we
Speaker 3: go into a few of the written questions.
Speaker 8: Hey, Cliff and Bobo. This this j Z from Nebraska.
Speaker 8: I wanted to know, since you eat, sleep, and do
Speaker 8: everything Bigfoot, do you ever have dreams about Bigfoot at night?
Speaker 8: Thanks for your podcast.
Speaker 13: I'm really enjoying it, and I also really loved Finding
Speaker 13: Bigfoot when it was on. Thanks a lot for doing
Speaker 13: the research, I believe.
Speaker 4: Thank you for listening and watching.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this, Bobo, do you have dreams about Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: I used to know because I just didn't really dream
Speaker 4: that much about too much. But over the last few years,
Speaker 4: I mean I've always had them. It's more like daydreaming.
Speaker 4: I have tons of daydreams about them, like all day.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've had some. You know. It actually made
Speaker 4: me more empathetic and sympathetic to people that report like
Speaker 4: having these scary like they be like I had these
Speaker 4: scary dreams, and like they then they'd be afraid out
Speaker 4: in the field. I'd be like, it's just a dream, dude,
Speaker 4: Like what are you tripping on? Like it's just a dream.
Speaker 4: Why do you look that body? And then I had
Speaker 4: some really like where I remember the dreams really clear,
Speaker 4: like uh, like where I was super traumatized in the dream,
Speaker 4: like I had like a face to face like you know,
Speaker 4: like ten feet the thing steps out on the path
Speaker 4: like and like where people have described me, you know,
Speaker 4: like where it's it's just looks evil and its face
Speaker 4: is snarling and its eyes are just glaring at you,
Speaker 4: and looks like it's going to kill you, you know,
Speaker 4: like it's it's this massive thing just back like and
Speaker 4: like that whole I had some really like I guess nightmares,
Speaker 4: you know, like and I was like, whoa that was?
Speaker 4: That was intense that maybe like maybe I don't want
Speaker 4: to like face to face up close one like like
Speaker 4: that close. You know, I always thought I did, Yeah
Speaker 4: you do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't say I dream about sasquatches.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I may be doing bigfoot things or maybe at the
Speaker 2: museum sometimes in my dreams, but I can't say I've
Speaker 2: observed sasquatches in my dreams. I think I have once,
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the context was, because I'm one
Speaker 2: of those people that doesn't remember their dreams very well.
Speaker 2: You know, once you wake up, it kind of fades
Speaker 2: and suddenly it's gone. So I don't know. I wish
Speaker 2: I could help you better, JC, but I just I
Speaker 2: just don't really dream about sasquatch stuff. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: which is good because that gives me some sort of
Speaker 2: balance to my life. At least eight hours a day,
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a sasquatch in my dreams, and I
Speaker 3: am a pretty vivid dreamer and I remember them.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I do dream about often, much
Speaker 3: to my dismay, is editing. I dream about waveforms going
Speaker 3: by and me editing them. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Used to have tons of dreams about getting attacked
Speaker 4: by a great white shark.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Well, let's grab There are three written submissions
Speaker 3: that have come in, so let me throw those in
Speaker 3: here before we roll over to our beloved pigeons.
Speaker 4: Let's see what we got. First off, Sarah, pray. What
Speaker 4: does that say? Pro is that pray?
Speaker 2: There's two a's I would say, pray.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sarah, pray. Hey, Cliff and Bobo, I want to
Speaker 4: thank you for all your time in the field and
Speaker 4: collecting scientific data to support the existence of the creature.
Speaker 4: Do you feel as if sasquatch are becoming bolder and
Speaker 4: more curious? What would you recommend to someone who encounters one?
Speaker 4: Should we run or hold our ground, Blue says hi
Speaker 4: to you both. Hello, I know who that is. Hello, Sarah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't know the last name there. I know who
Speaker 4: this is now.
Speaker 2: But I don't think sasquatches are becoming anything different than
Speaker 2: they always were. I don't think they're like there's a
Speaker 2: there's a change in their behaviors. I just don't see
Speaker 2: that anywhere. So, and remember, these things are individuals. You
Speaker 2: can't say this is true for the entire species continent
Speaker 2: wide or anything like that. It's just that some are
Speaker 2: some are curious, some don't want anything to do with you,
Speaker 2: Some are bold, some are very timid, some do this,
Speaker 2: some do that. They're They're not like white mice or
Speaker 2: something that you can pretty much if you know one,
Speaker 2: you know them all sort of thing. But I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe white mice, you know, like laboratory mice.
Speaker 2: Maybe other personalities as well. I don't know, but these
Speaker 2: things definitely have personalities and individual traits and proclivities of
Speaker 2: their own.
Speaker 3: So what say you run or hold their ground?
Speaker 4: Well, I've found whenever I don't, if I just stand there,
Speaker 4: they just they'll leave, like they take it to a
Speaker 4: certain point. And then if you don't buckle and take off.
Speaker 4: They'll just they'll just like just let you know they're
Speaker 4: just gruntled like they like, and then just walk off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say hold your ground or walk slowly towards them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you walk towards them, you might get some footage
Speaker 2: or something like that. But run You aren't gonna outrun
Speaker 2: one anyway, and then it's dangerous to go running around
Speaker 2: in the woods frankly, you know, Yeah, hold your ground
Speaker 2: if you're really worried about it, just like crouch down
Speaker 2: on the ground and try not to make direct eye
Speaker 2: contact with him. But I mean, how are you going
Speaker 2: to stop yourself from staring at the thing that you
Speaker 2: want to see so bad?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely recommend the holding the ground that
Speaker 3: that sort of reminds me. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3: told this story of the podcast, but many years ago,
Speaker 3: right when I had first joined the BFRO, I was
Speaker 3: invited to go out in the field with these other
Speaker 3: people and they were quite the cast of characters. And
Speaker 3: so we did this night walk one night and there
Speaker 3: was something moving around in the brush and so I
Speaker 3: went after it. I could tell it was something small,
Speaker 3: and they were.
Speaker 4: Like, I tell him he's there, don't go over, he's here.
Speaker 3: And as I started walking towards it, it froze and
Speaker 3: one of the guys shouted. He said, no, go, no further.
Speaker 4: He's holding his ground.
Speaker 3: And then I shine in the light and it was
Speaker 3: an armadillo, which we now have in North Georgia. But
Speaker 3: you know, back when I was going up, there were
Speaker 3: no armadillos in southern appal Asia and now they're everywhere,
Speaker 3: so I'd never seen one out in the woods before,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, oh wow, you know, and
Speaker 3: I said that out loud, and the guy thought I
Speaker 3: was looking at a sasquatch because he couldn't see what
Speaker 3: I was seeing.
Speaker 4: And he goes, I.
Speaker 3: Bet you never seen them, Like guess have you? And
Speaker 3: I said, now, I've never seen an armadillo in the
Speaker 3: wild before. They got pretty deflated, and so on the
Speaker 3: way back he said, I bet you're going to tell
Speaker 3: them b f ros we ain't real bigfoot researchers. And
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I probably won't tell too many
Speaker 3: people about this, but now, what is it. Eighteen years later,
Speaker 3: I'm telling tens of thousands of people about it.
Speaker 4: So, uh, you know, my first armadilla encounter was I
Speaker 4: think I was. I think I was with Renee maybe,
Speaker 4: but we were at the Bridges property down in Florida,
Speaker 4: North Florida. And then I was hearing the sun. It
Speaker 4: was dry leaves and everything like I was hearing this.
Speaker 4: You know, there's obviously something making a bunch of noise
Speaker 4: went to the leeds and I was like, I can't
Speaker 4: identify the animal, like I kind of, I can't identify it.
Speaker 4: Then we couldn't see it on thermal, and then finally
Speaker 4: we got on thermal and I was like, no way's armadilla.
Speaker 4: And I was like I I was just it was.
Speaker 4: It was. But being from the West, you know, I
Speaker 4: never you know, California. I'd never heard one in the
Speaker 4: in the in the so it was a learning experience
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: Every time I read those words hold your ground, you know,
Speaker 3: I can hear that guy's voice in my mind going,
Speaker 3: don't go no further.
Speaker 4: He's holding his ground. I want to hang out with
Speaker 4: these guys.
Speaker 2: Sound like fun?
Speaker 3: Alrighty, Well, let me grab the next written submission.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 3: We'll be getting a lot of these kind of questions
Speaker 3: which are often very fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, this question comes from Drew Ryan, Hey, guys, I
Speaker 2: love the show. If you could go back in time
Speaker 2: and have a conversation about Bigfoot with any historical figure
Speaker 2: or any person in general, who would it be?
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 2: Personally, I would choose Teddy Roosevelts. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear him tell the story of his Bigfoot encounter in person,
Speaker 2: and maybe even be lucky enough to go on an
Speaker 2: expedition with them.
Speaker 4: Awesome for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if Teddy Roosevelt had a big
Speaker 2: Foot encounter. He did tell the story of the Bauman incident.
Speaker 4: No, he did, as willdness Hunter book, he had one
Speaker 4: in Washington State, something that he couldn't identify, a circle
Speaker 4: in the camp growling and making weird noises and breaking
Speaker 4: big branches, and he didn't he didn't think it was
Speaker 4: a bear horror move.
Speaker 2: Not sure that's accurate. He did talk about sounds like
Speaker 2: something coming down the hill making a lot of noise,
Speaker 2: but not circling the camp and breaking I don't think
Speaker 2: that's accurate, But for whatever that's worth, that's.
Speaker 4: Worth a lot. Maybe I was mixing it up with
Speaker 4: the Ballman story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, maybe, Yeah, But I think he mentioned having
Speaker 2: vocals eight or hearing something wailing or something and going
Speaker 2: down the hillside one other time. But it's not like
Speaker 2: he had one in camp or something. I'm pretty confident
Speaker 2: of that one.
Speaker 4: I'd take Albert Osman his bigfoot kidnapping story. That'd be
Speaker 4: the one I'd talk to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were just born a few years too late
Speaker 2: for that one. Hmm. That's a hard question. I'm drawn
Speaker 2: towards the Ape Canyon story, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would want to talk to Fred Beck necessarily, maybe
Speaker 2: Leroy Smith and one of the other guys that was
Speaker 2: there with him.
Speaker 4: But who who had a more long sustained observation than Osman.
Speaker 2: I don't know, No, probably nobody. But I have doubts
Speaker 2: about Ousmin.
Speaker 4: Don't you Derek Cliff, don't you do it?
Speaker 2: Don't go there, Cliff, I've been hold my ground, Bobo,
Speaker 2: don't go no further. No, I don't know. I mean Oustmin'.
Speaker 2: There's things about it that ring true, and there's an
Speaker 2: awful lot that doesn't. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know about Osmin. It's one of those that the things
Speaker 2: that I don't it don't come down real hard on
Speaker 2: either side.
Speaker 4: So that is a good question.
Speaker 3: I'd be cool to talk to like any of the
Speaker 3: early folks who were gathering information, Like it would have
Speaker 3: been cool to talk to Avan Sanderson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's my second.
Speaker 2: Oh what about that the cop from Bellingham? What's his name?
Speaker 4: Joe Dunn?
Speaker 2: Joe Dunn. Yeah, that's the guy, because he's the first
Speaker 2: guy that anybody was doing anything with, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Or like Jeanie Chapman, giveny of those early classic witnesses,
Speaker 3: I guess if there was someone to sit down with,
Speaker 3: Ousmin would be a good one, because even if you
Speaker 3: had doubts, it's like, wow, it's still be fun to
Speaker 3: interview the guy for you know, a day and see
Speaker 3: what you could come up with get some information.
Speaker 4: Or J. W.
Speaker 3: Burns, I don't just it's fascinating to think about people
Speaker 3: gathering information at a time when you could look at
Speaker 3: the whole of North America and there were less than
Speaker 3: a dozen people total gathering that information. Like how amazing.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm assuming Ausman's told like he's not, you know,
Speaker 4: he had this event happen. Just hearing people tell other
Speaker 4: stories about a sighting or this or that is nothing
Speaker 4: comparative like this guy lived them for a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I'd like to talk to any
Speaker 2: of the Blue Mountain folks. I mean, Paul's dead. I
Speaker 2: know Michael pretty well, I kind of know Dwayne and
Speaker 2: his other son. But I'd love to take the Paul
Speaker 2: because there's some discrepancies that I think are pretty easily
Speaker 2: worked out if you could just talk to the guy,
Speaker 2: you know, like what happened immediately after the d Duck
Speaker 2: footage for example, or you know, West Summerland probably would
Speaker 2: have been a lot of fun to talk to. Totally
Speaker 2: missed him, but I've got a lot of friends who
Speaker 2: had spoken to him. That's kind of what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all sorts of historical figures still walking
Speaker 2: around on the planet, and I'm trying to try down
Speaker 2: and get a hold of them. Just got a hold
Speaker 2: of another guy out in the Blues that the historical
Speaker 2: guy that isn't active anymore. I'm going to call him
Speaker 2: this afternoon and meet with him next Thursday. Actually, these
Speaker 2: opportunities are still here, and I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the neat things about what we're doing at the NBC
Speaker 2: at least, and the position weren't as a podcast unit here.
Speaker 2: Drew is that we're we're trying to track down these
Speaker 2: historical figures and actually have those conversations that we missed
Speaker 2: out on back in the day with you know whoever else,
Speaker 2: you know, Roger Patterson or Paul Freeman or you know
Speaker 2: Albert Osman or Fred Beck, any of those folks. We're
Speaker 2: trying to do that before it's too late. And I
Speaker 2: think that's really cool. Oh I'd love to talk to
Speaker 2: Bob Timmus.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was there from the very beginning. But
Speaker 2: I'd love to speak to Jerry Crew. You know, I
Speaker 2: know so much just by speaking to his son about
Speaker 2: the event. I mean, imagine what Jerry has to off
Speaker 2: or he was actually there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have really been a good one. I
Speaker 3: think there's a few of those figures who probably collected
Speaker 3: a whole lot more information that we never heard about.
Speaker 3: Besides Bob Tipness, Like, I think Jim Howkin would have
Speaker 3: been another one, because those brief writings of his are great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim Howkins is very interesting stuff, very interesting character,
Speaker 2: probably got into pretty some UFO stuff towards later in life.
Speaker 2: Larry Lend was telling me because he knew Jim pretty well.
Speaker 2: Jack Sullivan. There's another one that you know. He was
Speaker 2: a teacher over in Colton. I think his son works
Speaker 2: as some Chevy dealership, but I'm having a hard time
Speaker 2: tracking him down. But threads exist. You maybe you can't
Speaker 2: talk to the person, but you can talk to the
Speaker 2: person right next to that person. Like I spoke to
Speaker 2: John Crewe, Jerry Crew's son, for example, and you know
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think. Who was I talked to someone's
Speaker 4: grand great niece one time, and like, god, who was?
Speaker 4: It was an old timer that had and I remember
Speaker 4: she she'd only you know, hung out of them and
Speaker 4: heard him talk about it a couple of times with
Speaker 4: who she But anyway, she enlightened me, like just a
Speaker 4: couple of things, like she just threw out like just
Speaker 4: kind of like how like didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what he said, but what you know,
Speaker 4: it's like one of those situations and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, I learned something from them.
Speaker 2: Even Yeah, there's a lot to learn from the historical
Speaker 2: record of the people who were there, who either watched
Speaker 2: it or knew the people who watched it.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, definitely not getting to meet Tom Slickson.
Speaker 3: That was very cool, obviously, Like the highlight for me
Speaker 3: was getting to meet John Green. It's been a few
Speaker 3: days with him. But there's a lot of these people
Speaker 3: still around. Some of them, you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: to mention on the podcast because I don't want someone
Speaker 3: else to go scoop them before we get interview them.
Speaker 3: But there's several people that I hold in high esteem
Speaker 3: that have never given interviews that I think would be
Speaker 3: great to have on this podcast. But they are, like
Speaker 3: Cliff meanged, very very hard to track down. But we're
Speaker 3: always still kind of working on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll be extending an invitation this Thursday to
Speaker 2: the person I'm meeting with. Hopefully they can come on
Speaker 2: the podcast and regale us with some you know, cool
Speaker 2: stories from the past.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 6: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Here is the final written submission for the September Q
Speaker 3: and A episode.
Speaker 4: Mike from Vermont. I'll be attending the New York big
Speaker 4: Foot Conference in October after hearing about it for a
Speaker 4: few episodes. It's going to be the first non work
Speaker 4: conference i'll attend. In general, what can I expect? What
Speaker 4: do you like or not like from attendees? Just shower,
Speaker 4: be where you take a picture with us. That's the rough,
Speaker 4: especially when it's like a summer one, when it's like
Speaker 4: super hot and tumid out Like a yeah, take a
Speaker 4: shower and brush your teeth please, if you're gonna come
Speaker 4: up and put your arm around me and talk close
Speaker 4: for a couple of minutes. That's that's my only advice.
Speaker 4: And then, uh, what do I like about it? It's
Speaker 4: a Well, you're gonna you're gonna meet some really cool people.
Speaker 4: You're gonna hear's some great stories. You're gonna learn something.
Speaker 4: You're gonna you're gonna hear some kind of big foot
Speaker 4: behavior that maybe you've never heard before. You've heard once
Speaker 4: or you know once or twice over the years, but
Speaker 4: you just weren't sure. You know, did you meet someone
Speaker 4: face to face? I can tell you they saw the
Speaker 4: same behavior. You know. Gosh, there's a you can get
Speaker 4: some cool uh you know for your office or workspace
Speaker 4: or home decorator. You get some cool little bigfoot trinkets,
Speaker 4: you know, like little decorations or stickers or whatever. I
Speaker 4: mean there's there's some fun stuff there, and you're gonna
Speaker 4: meet cool people, and you're gonna learn some uh you're
Speaker 4: gonna learn some stuff about bigfoot behavior, and you'll learn
Speaker 4: about uh some semi delusional people, delusional people, very fact
Speaker 4: focused people. You'll you'll uh learn all kinds of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think from the New York conference in particular.
Speaker 2: I mean this is being co organized by Mark de Werth,
Speaker 2: who does the Ohio Conference here year, which is one
Speaker 2: of my favorite conferences. Love going to Ohio. There's always
Speaker 2: good events out there, and Mark's been running his like
Speaker 2: clockwork for a long time now, so he's kind of
Speaker 2: helping organize this one. So I think you can expect
Speaker 2: a well run gig basically a well run show, uh
Speaker 2: in this one. I mean, doctor Meldrum is going to
Speaker 2: be there, doctor Estemon Sarmiento, who's a definitely have conversations
Speaker 2: with him. He's amazing, super funny guy. I'll be there,
Speaker 2: Renee will be there, Adam Davies will be there. So
Speaker 2: you kind of get out of these things what you
Speaker 2: put in in a way, it depends and also depends
Speaker 2: what kind of person you are and what you enjoy
Speaker 2: if if you like learning stuff and whatever, take a
Speaker 2: small notebook to all the lectures you know and take
Speaker 2: notes that sort of thing. I know, doctor Meldrum always
Speaker 2: puts on a very informative talk and Esteban, who knows
Speaker 2: what he'll talk about. He's great, He's unpredictable and chaotic,
Speaker 2: he's wonderful and super knowledgeable. And you spend time over
Speaker 2: there in Africa dealing with gorillas and things like that,
Speaker 2: and like living in the rush amongst the gorillas and
Speaker 2: super knowledgeable at primates in general. But yeah, you get
Speaker 2: out of it what you put into it, essentially. If
Speaker 2: the lectures aren't your bag, then maybe then you like
Speaker 2: shopping or something. There's probably a lot of vendors there.
Speaker 2: Visit every vendor, look over what they have, talk to him,
Speaker 2: see what they have to offer. A lot of cute stuff,
Speaker 2: a lot of innovative products in general, not like bigfooting
Speaker 2: gear necessarily, although sometimes you get some of that there,
Speaker 2: but definitely cute things for the kitchen or something, you know,
Speaker 2: that sort of deal. Yeah, I think you're just gonna
Speaker 2: enjoy yourself kind of being surrounded by like minded individuals
Speaker 2: exploring a topic that you obviously find interesting. I think
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a lot out of it. These these
Speaker 2: are good networking opportunities. These are great opportunities to hear
Speaker 2: a little bit directly from the mouth of people who
Speaker 2: you know, maybe were on TV shows, or you can
Speaker 2: ask them, was that real? What was the story behind this?
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. It's just a good opportunity, and
Speaker 2: you'll find that these people that you might may or
Speaker 2: may not be putting on a pedestal, Like a guy
Speaker 2: earlier commented that he was super super honored to meet
Speaker 2: me and say, well, that's nice, but it's just me.
Speaker 2: I'm no big deal. I often say, don't put me
Speaker 2: on a pedestal because you don't want to see what's
Speaker 2: up my skirt. But you're going to find that these
Speaker 2: people that you put on a pedestal are just folks.
Speaker 2: They're just folks who are learning about the subject just
Speaker 2: like you. And I think that's one of the valuable
Speaker 2: things about going to these things is you can actually
Speaker 2: make contact with people that you might look up to
Speaker 2: in the field. Bigfoot is such a feel that your
Speaker 2: idols can become your friends, and I think that that's
Speaker 2: an important thing to remember here. We're all just folks
Speaker 2: exploring a similar interest. So that's what you can expect
Speaker 2: out of the New York conference, which is on October
Speaker 2: third and fourth out there in Johnstown, New York. Go
Speaker 2: ahead and click the link that Matt Prutals probably put
Speaker 2: in the show notes below if you want more information.
Speaker 3: And that does it for the September twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: Q and A episode.
Speaker 4: Okay, folks, well that's another episode. Thanks for joining us,
Speaker 4: and if you have any questions send them in to us.
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