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<v Speaker 1>Well, Oklahoma against a little revenge for getting swept by

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats in Lexington, as the Sooners eleven eight Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>by the final score of five to one here at

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC Tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how the game ended.

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<v Speaker 3>Darren Hedrick called it on the UK netwhere Kentucky falling

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<v Speaker 3>to Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 2>Five to one.

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<v Speaker 3>Wildcats flatter it seemed today then last week's club soda.

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<v Speaker 3>They lose to an Oklahoma team they swept last weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>So now their fate is in the hands of the

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<v Speaker 3>selections committee. Wildcats with just twenty nine wins on the

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<v Speaker 3>year and yeah, thirteen of them in SEC play. But Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 3>which put runners on base in each of the first

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<v Speaker 3>re innings in scoring position, but they were one for

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<v Speaker 3>seven with runners in scoring position, scored one run thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to an Oklahoma error. Five to one was the final,

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<v Speaker 3>So now their fate is a real mystery. Nick Menzione

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<v Speaker 3>appeared on the SEC Network yesterday with Paul Finebaum and

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<v Speaker 3>broke down some numbers, which I find fascinating, especially with

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<v Speaker 3>baseball such a numbers game. But I remember talking to

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<v Speaker 3>Gary Henderson a few years ago about one of those

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<v Speaker 3>years where Kentucky was so close. You know, in certain situations,

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<v Speaker 3>might have been here, they were ranked number one in

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<v Speaker 3>the country a couple of times, but just to win

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<v Speaker 3>here or there, and wins come down oftentimes to one inning,

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<v Speaker 3>which can come down to one pitch or one play,

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<v Speaker 3>just so many moments. And you can say this about

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of different sports, but we're talking about baseball here,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just seems like baseball is easier to crunch

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<v Speaker 3>numbers of this sort. And Minjeo, and being an analytics guy,

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<v Speaker 3>has gone through and he's done the math. He's done

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<v Speaker 3>it simple arithmetic, really, and he broke down some of

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<v Speaker 3>these numbers for Fine Baumb when he was describing what

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<v Speaker 3>the regular season was like for Kentucky, which came so

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<v Speaker 3>close so many times to winning a series. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what's about, of course, in the regular season in the SEC,

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about it all the time on TV side,

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<v Speaker 3>Darren talks about it on radio side. Win the series

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<v Speaker 3>at home that you have and maybe get one win

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<v Speaker 3>on the road and you're in great shape and pull

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<v Speaker 3>off a surprise on the road, two or even three

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<v Speaker 3>wins on the road in one weekend. Now you're contending

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<v Speaker 3>for an SEC championship, which Kentucky won last year. That's

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<v Speaker 3>how the Wildcats did it. For the most part. They

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<v Speaker 3>took care of business at home and got some big

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<v Speaker 3>wins on the road because they were able to take

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<v Speaker 3>advantage when the moment was right there for the taking.

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<v Speaker 3>And they've come up just short this year in so

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<v Speaker 3>many ways. And here's how MinJe O described it mathematically

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<v Speaker 3>to Paul Feinbaum on the SEC Network.

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<v Speaker 1>This is crazy, but in an average SEC game, the

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<v Speaker 1>average SEC team throws one hundred and fifty four pitches

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<v Speaker 1>in a game.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, so you times out by.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, there's about three hundred and eight moments in every

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<v Speaker 1>single game. Well, for us, when you look at it

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<v Speaker 1>and you break it down that way, we've had nine thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and sixty eight moments in our thirty game season.

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<v Speaker 1>We are five plays away from winning four more SEC

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<v Speaker 1>series and winning eight, which only Texas did, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are nine plays away out of that nine, six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty eight from being back to back SEC champions

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<v Speaker 1>nine plays.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew they were close to being much much better

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of their record. I didn't realize. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>if I had sat down and pulled out a pencil

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<v Speaker 3>and figured it out. Yeah, I knew they could have

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<v Speaker 3>won more series, but they were that close. And the

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<v Speaker 3>reason is to an SC title again because as good

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<v Speaker 3>as Texas was, as good as a Florida was good

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<v Speaker 3>as a lot of teams were, nobody ran off and

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<v Speaker 3>hid with the SEC title.

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<v Speaker 2>Vandy has done in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Other teams have done it, but there was so much

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<v Speaker 3>parody this year, and there's always going to be now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that nobody ran away with it. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky won one game over Texas right in Lexingon, could

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<v Speaker 3>have won, two, might have won, three, might have swept.

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<v Speaker 3>The Longhorns. Had enough moments, had enough opportunities, and if

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky had, Texas wouldn't have won the SEC championship. That's

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<v Speaker 3>where things turn in the Southeastern Conference. It is so

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<v Speaker 3>hard to win. But that's what made last year so special.

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<v Speaker 3>And as men Geones said, he believes this team is

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<v Speaker 3>a really good team, and he has said it all year.

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<v Speaker 3>He hasn't complained, he hasn't you know, talked about injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>He's talked about how well they've played at times, how

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<v Speaker 3>they've come up short, but he still has never stopped

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<v Speaker 3>being proud of this ball club.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really proud of this team, and we really believe

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<v Speaker 1>we're one of the best teams in the country because

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<v Speaker 1>we're battle tested and we've been through it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would say there's thirteen or fourteen teams in our league

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<v Speaker 1>that believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're gonna have one team win this tournament, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but the other teams in the tournament that that get

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<v Speaker 3>bids to the NCAA, they'll know going in in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 3>included that, Hey, you know, we might have lost in Hoover,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're still good enough to win in Omaha.

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<v Speaker 2>And you may well see that. You may see a.

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<v Speaker 3>Team that didn't win the SEC title. Now Tennessee did

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<v Speaker 3>it last year, but you may see a team from

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<v Speaker 3>the SEC they got knocked out in Hoover and jump

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<v Speaker 3>up and win in Omaha. Because you're not playing day

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<v Speaker 3>after day after day. You get a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>respite in Omaha. But you got to win that first one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key. That's one of the keys, the other key,

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<v Speaker 3>just as it is in the SEC tournament. And men

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<v Speaker 3>Jones said this prior to today's game to find Bomb,

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<v Speaker 3>but he has said it all year again when fine

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<v Speaker 3>Baum asked him in terms of pulling Kentucky through these

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<v Speaker 3>close games that the Wildcats they won some, they've lost

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<v Speaker 3>too many. But fine Baum said, if you could wave

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<v Speaker 3>a magic wand what might that turnaround be?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it comes down to one thing. If you

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<v Speaker 1>said manage, put it into one word, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down execution. That's it, plain and simple for

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<v Speaker 1>our players to execute what we are trained to do

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<v Speaker 1>and what we're capable of doing. If we do that

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<v Speaker 1>one thing and we execute at a high level, with

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous focus, tremendous energy and persistence, we'll like the result.

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<v Speaker 2>So ask yourself, did they execute today? Yes? Or no?

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<v Speaker 3>And can they keep executing once they get into the

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<v Speaker 3>NCAA tournament if they get a bid. But after losing today,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine and twenty four, and I've seen Kentucky teams

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<v Speaker 3>with better records not get a bid. But the SEC

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't nearly as tough. You get a lot more credit

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<v Speaker 3>these days for winning an SEC game, winning an SEC series,

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<v Speaker 3>And the Wildcats did win four and it might come

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<v Speaker 3>down to that series win at Tennessee when Kentucky really

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<v Speaker 3>he was at its best. So now they've got to

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<v Speaker 3>sit and wait until next Monday at noon. That's when

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<v Speaker 3>the selection show is. That's when the Wildcats will learn

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<v Speaker 3>their fate. So five won the final the loss to Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>One other note in the SEC this was a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>big headline not related to baseball, and that was finally

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<v Speaker 3>the rumors are over and its official. Florida has landed.

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<v Speaker 3>Boogie flanned through the portal.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd heard about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Had he pulled his name from the NBA consideration, he

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<v Speaker 3>would end up at Florida. That's exactly what happened on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>He pulled his name and now he's a Gator, and

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<v Speaker 3>it makes sense. He's represented by Mike Miller, a former

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<v Speaker 3>Florida Gator. Ask yourself this though, why does he leave

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<v Speaker 3>Arkansas when you know that Caliperi, at least his past

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<v Speaker 3>year was running everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Through him before he got hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>I firmly believe Arkansas was better after Flann got hurt

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<v Speaker 3>and then came back, and everybody had gotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to being involved in the offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Prior to that, it was like give the ball to

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<v Speaker 3>Boogie and get out of his way, and they struggled.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes down Arkansas finds itself. Boogie comes back makes

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<v Speaker 3>him better. But now with ironically enough, Denzel Aberdeen leaving

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<v Speaker 3>for Kentucky, that might be why he sees an opening

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<v Speaker 3>in Gainesville. Maybe he's the point guard. Well, he will

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<v Speaker 3>be the starting point guard for Todd Golden down in Gainesville.

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<v Speaker 3>And this gives Florida a really nice class out of

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<v Speaker 3>the portal. Flann was rated the eighth best player in

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<v Speaker 3>the portal. Had to be because he was coming back

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<v Speaker 3>off that injury. But you know a guy who was

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<v Speaker 3>five star coming out of high school and insanely talented

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<v Speaker 3>and now joins the defending national champs. Now, of course

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<v Speaker 3>they lose Walter Clayton Jr. Among others, but they get

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<v Speaker 3>Xavion Lee out of the portal from Princeton.

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<v Speaker 2>They get aj Brown from Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>You you might not heard those names, which you will

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<v Speaker 3>when the Gators take on the Wildcats this year. And

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<v Speaker 3>of course Boogie Flynn was going to be a Wildcat

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<v Speaker 3>until Caliperi left, but now he is a Florida Gator.

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<v Speaker 2>It's official. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>There is controversy brewing with the proposed changes to the

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<v Speaker 3>nil one SEC school in particular may not be cooperating

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit later on the incredible story of Sunday Silence.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty nine, on this date he won the

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<v Speaker 3>preak Mistakes, the second Jewel of Racing's Triple Crown, after

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<v Speaker 3>twice literally defying death. We'll talk about that a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit later on David Siske of Cats Illustrated Forrest Tucker WTVQ.

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<v Speaker 3>That and more come out up right here on six

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<v Speaker 3>thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. Coming

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<v Speaker 3>up at the bottom of the hour, a great story

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<v Speaker 3>about Sunday Silence. It was on this date in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty nine that he won the second jeweler Racings Triple Crown.

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<v Speaker 3>He won the Derby and then followed up with one

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<v Speaker 3>of the greatest Preakness finishes of all times, right up

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<v Speaker 3>there with the one we saw this year, different but

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<v Speaker 3>right up there with it. So and it's a great

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<v Speaker 3>story that began one county over in Bourbon County, on

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<v Speaker 3>Stone Farm in Paris. And we'll hear from Arthur Hancock,

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<v Speaker 3>who owns Sunday Silence, and we'll hear from him a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation that he had ten or eleven years ago with

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<v Speaker 3>a blood horse. But all the backstory about Sunday Silence.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an incredible story and he's one of my all

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<v Speaker 3>time favorite horses. So if you'll indulge me, that's coming

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<v Speaker 3>up at the bottom of the hour. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>point out if you haven't seen this yet, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a college sports fan, and if you're listening

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<v Speaker 3>to the show, thank you, and I'm sure you are,

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<v Speaker 3>that the House Settlement ruling is imminent. Right, that's supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to bring some guard rails, some enforcement to NIL, which

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<v Speaker 3>is right now the scourge of college athletics. But the

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<v Speaker 3>state of Tennessee has plopped itself squarely.

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<v Speaker 2>In the way. And here's how.

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<v Speaker 3>Back on the first of May, Governor Bill Lee quietly

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<v Speaker 3>signed a six page state bill, Tennessee Senate Bill number

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<v Speaker 3>five thirty six. According to Yahoo's Sports, they dug it

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<v Speaker 3>out last week, and that paves the way for state

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<v Speaker 3>schools in Tennessee, UT, Vandy, Memphis, et cetera, and their

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<v Speaker 3>affiliated collectives to break House Settlement related rules and prevents

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<v Speaker 3>conferences and their desire to police the revenue sharing era

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<v Speaker 3>phony booster backed image, name, image and likeness deals to players.

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<v Speaker 3>What they basically did was say, we're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>the same things? Now, Power conferences, according to the story,

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<v Speaker 3>draft of what Yahoo describes as groundbreaking, first of its

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<v Speaker 3>It is the wild West, and it's ruining college athletics.

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<v Speaker 3>the power conferences are pushing back, and dozens of leading

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<v Speaker 3>school administrators, it says, are checking out this document. It

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<v Speaker 3>would bind institutions to the enforcement policies. They basically would

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<v Speaker 3>have to agree, all right, we want to be a

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<v Speaker 3>a way of the nca and give it a new initial,

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<v Speaker 3>who cares? Whatever it is this membership, this group, if

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<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So, and it also says, even if their state law

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<v Speaker 3>member schools over enforcement decisions, offering instead a route for

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<v Speaker 3>schools to pursue arbitration. Arbitration, how about that membership agreement affiliation,

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<v Speaker 3>call it whatever you want. But a draft of this

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<v Speaker 3>contract's been distributed to a lot of school presidents, general councils,

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<v Speaker 3>takes rude or not. We in Tennessee are saying, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us what to do. We're gonna do whatever we

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<v Speaker 3>Please, and if you try to stop us, we will

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<v Speaker 3>say Greg Sanki, not that Sankie could do it, and

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<v Speaker 3>But this could get messy, This could get bloody. But

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<v Speaker 3>one athletic director said, you have to sign it or

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<v Speaker 3>we don't play you. As a condition of membership, you

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<v Speaker 3>must comply with a settlement and enforcement says one president,

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<v Speaker 3>or you're out. This is going to get tied up

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<v Speaker 3>in the courts. Lawyers are going to get rich. But

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<v Speaker 3>this has to happen in order to save college athletics.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be easier to deal with the portal.

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<v Speaker 3>They can pass a rule saying you can come through

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<v Speaker 3>the first one you gotta sit. That to me seems

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of other notes before we hit the brakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Ritter, former Kentucky Gold Gloves shortstop, is the Pacific

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<v Speaker 3>Coast League Player of the Week. He plays for the

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<v Speaker 3>Albuquerque Isotopes Go Topes. That's a Homer Simpsons favorite team,

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<v Speaker 3>the Springfield Isotopes. But Ritter last week get This delivered

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<v Speaker 3>inning of three straight games wins over Tacoma and in

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<v Speaker 3>biggs for good. Finally a tip of the BBI Captain

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<v Speaker 3>our man, Sewan Woods. He'll be with us on the

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<v Speaker 3>air schedules permitting tomorrow. He has been named the coach,

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<v Speaker 3>Up next to great story about Sunday sile Ons how

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<v Speaker 3>when the Derby win the Preakness, which happened on this

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<v Speaker 3>in a minute on six thirty WLAP Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Blue Insider. It was on this day in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine that Sunday Silence won the Preakness Stakes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the time of year when people pay attention.

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<v Speaker 3>not this year, but there was in nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>and the reason was because of a horse that was,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to see. And his name was Sunday Silence

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<v Speaker 3>and he was black, technically dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Brown, but black.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you've got to qualify in a certain way

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<v Speaker 3>jet black. Again, not the prettiest of horses, but man

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<v Speaker 3>could he run. And it's a great story. This is why,

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<v Speaker 3>a great story because he was owned locally. He was

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<v Speaker 3>Arthur Hancock owned him. Arthur of course, from Stone Farm

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<v Speaker 3>not Arthur, the older brother. So Arthur set off and

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<v Speaker 3>bought his own land, created his own farm called Stone Arm.

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<v Speaker 3>of the earth, that kind of thing. And I got

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<v Speaker 3>to know Arthur and his wife, Stacy, who grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in Louisville as I did. She went to Westport High School,

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<v Speaker 3>which doesn't exist anymore. But Westport High School was one

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<v Speaker 3>So anyhow, I got to be very friendly with the Hancocks,

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<v Speaker 3>and I began to really follow Sunday Silence his progress

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<v Speaker 3>derby week. I got there on Monday morning, and I

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<v Speaker 3>liked him because he had won the Santa Nita Derby.

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<v Speaker 3>But Easy Goer was the horse. Easy Goer was a

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<v Speaker 3>that came in second to a firm and all three

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<v Speaker 3>he was supposedly the greatest horse to look through a

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<v Speaker 3>Big beautiful red horse reminded people of Secretariat was coming

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<v Speaker 3>through New York, so he had New York height behind

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<v Speaker 3>him and a great trainer in Suge McGee, and Sunday

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<v Speaker 3>Silence was kind of he wasn't a little horse, but

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of his reputation was, you know, shaping up

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<v Speaker 3>as the little horse that could. But the reason I

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<v Speaker 3>bring it up is because the Preakness Stakes that he

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<v Speaker 3>greatest Preakness steaks that I had ever seen leading up

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<v Speaker 3>to this recent one where Journalism managed to fight his

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<v Speaker 3>because in eighty nine it was Sunday Silence and easygo

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<v Speaker 3>But when I was looking at this year's Preakness, asking myself,

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<v Speaker 3>But let's back it up. Sunday Silence was lucky to

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<v Speaker 3>a weanling and survived this terrible virus that might have

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<v Speaker 3>killed him, but he didn't pass the eyeball test. He

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<v Speaker 3>was not the prettiest of horses, and in a great coincidence,

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<v Speaker 2>Guy who owned that outfit out of Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Oak Cliffe is a part of Dallas. That's where I

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<v Speaker 3>until recently. He was bred known by Oakliffe Stables at first,

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<v Speaker 3>but as Arthur Hancock told Bloodhorse Magazine, there's a video

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<v Speaker 3>of the people who worked for oak Cliff Stables, owned

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<v Speaker 3>by Tom Taysam, There's a guy named Ted Keefer who

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<v Speaker 3>made a pointed comment when the colt was just a

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<v Speaker 3>but this guy named Ted Keeper did not.

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<v Speaker 5>And one time they brought him out and Ted said,

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<v Speaker 5>This was another time and Pete Logan said, Miss Pete

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<v Speaker 5>when he's six feet under the ground. And I'm staying

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<v Speaker 5>there thinking, what is this so eerie?

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<v Speaker 3>He hated this horse, And again that's Arthur Hancock talking

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<v Speaker 3>the horse just because the horse was funny looking, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>So they put him in the July Select sale at Keenlan, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but they didn't think he'd get much, And sure enough

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<v Speaker 5>They put him in the sale in the summer sale

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<v Speaker 5>at Keenlan and he was going to go for ten eleven,

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00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.160
<v Speaker 5>twelve thousand, and I jumped in, started bidding, brought bought

421
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<v Speaker 5>him back for seven and I took the ticket out

422
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.880
<v Speaker 5>to Time behind the pavilion, said Time, I bought that

423
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.279
<v Speaker 5>cold back for the wishing Well cold because he.

424
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Went too cheap. And he said, Arthur, we don't want him,

425
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.079
<v Speaker 4>because Ted doesn't like him. And I had I said okay.

426
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 4>I handed him the you know, the.

427
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 5>Sales slip and I said okay, and I stuck it

428
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<v Speaker 5>in my short pocket and I remember thinking, well, I

429
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.599
<v Speaker 5>guess I just blew another seventeen downs.

430
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.680
<v Speaker 4>I owed a lot of money at the time.

431
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.880
<v Speaker 3>And that's the part of thoroughbred racing that a lot

432
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.799
<v Speaker 3>of people who don't like it don't understand. It's not

433
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.279
<v Speaker 3>simply a bunch of rich people playing with their toys.

434
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.759
<v Speaker 2>There are jobs on the line every week, every month,

435
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 2>every year.

436
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 3>There are smaller farms and employ people and you know,

437
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>provide for the tax base in the state of Kentucky

438
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 3>and other states. So it's kind of a misunderstood sport

439
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion. And in talking to Arthur through the years,

440
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 3>he made me understand that, you know, he had a

441
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 3>mortgage he had borrowed against land, things like that, He's

442
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.759
<v Speaker 3>trying to make ends meet doing the one thing he

443
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.480
<v Speaker 3>knew best, and that was thoroughbred racing. So moving ahead,

444
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>they send the horse to California to try to sell

445
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 3>him as a two year old, and once again he

446
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:20.160
<v Speaker 3>doesn't get nearly the money that they needed, so they

447
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.480
<v Speaker 3>decide to bring him back. Well, he's in a van

448
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 3>with other horses and somewhere in South Texas, the driver

449
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 3>of the van has a heart attack and dies, crashes.

450
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 3>One or two of the other horses was killed. Sunday

451
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 3>Silence was seriously injured. But he comes back and they

452
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.640
<v Speaker 3>think he's never going to race again. They just turned

453
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 3>him out the field and they thought, well, we'll just

454
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 3>try to sell him as a saddle horse or something.

455
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.960
<v Speaker 3>But within a week to ten days he was racing

456
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.000
<v Speaker 3>around the field looking like a racehorse again.

457
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<v Speaker 5>It's the perfect tale of the ugly duckling turning into

458
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<v Speaker 5>a swan.

459
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 3>So when he had fully recovered, they send him to

460
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>cal to Charlie Whittingham, the Hall of Fame trainer since passed,

461
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.160
<v Speaker 3>but back then known as one of the greatest in

462
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 3>the history of the game. And Charlie on the phone

463
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:12.400
<v Speaker 3>one morning told Arthur, you know this, this this black

464
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 3>sob that you named Sunday Silence. Arthur pulled that name

465
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 3>from a Chris Christofferson song. Arthur was a big songwriter anyway, Uh,

466
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 3>Whittingham said.

467
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 2>This, this horse can run a little bit.

468
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 3>So they ran him at age two, didn't win anything,

469
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 3>was second in a maiden, second in an allowance race.

470
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 3>But at age three they raced him at Santa Anita.

471
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 3>He wins an allowance race, then he wins the San Felipe,

472
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.359
<v Speaker 3>then he wins the Santa Anita Derby. So now the

473
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.359
<v Speaker 3>ugly duckling has become a swan, and now he qualifies

474
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 3>for the Kentucky Derby. So obviously Arthur Hancock's excited, and

475
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 3>they ship him east. And I will never forget spending

476
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time on the backside that week with

477
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 3>the Hancocks. And I was walking over to the barn

478
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>on Thursday after Sunday. Silence worked a half mile in

479
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 3>forty five and change of forty six, and Arthur had

480
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 3>just left Charlie Whittingham side, and he was blown Arthur

481
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.400
<v Speaker 3>was blown away by the work, and he was more

482
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 3>impressed after he had talked to Charlie as they walked

483
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 3>back to the barn.

484
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 4>And we were walking back and Charlie.

485
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 5>Said, my boy, we will get the money Saturday. I said, Charlie,

486
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 5>you really think so? He said, my boy, we will

487
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.079
<v Speaker 5>get the money. I said, what do you think of

488
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.119
<v Speaker 5>his work? He said, well, a good horse will work

489
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.680
<v Speaker 5>like that. He said, this is a good horse. I said,

490
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 5>you really think we can beat easy Gore? He said

491
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 5>it was the third time he said we will get

492
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:50.640
<v Speaker 5>the money.

493
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know this until I watched this video

494
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 3>from Blood Horse. I didn't know that they had had

495
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 3>that conversation. I probably should have because I come up

496
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 3>to Arthur and I said.

497
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 2>How did he look? What did you think? And he

498
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.440
<v Speaker 2>told me the time.

499
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.240
<v Speaker 3>He knew the time at that point of the work,

500
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and his eyes were bugging out of his head and

501
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.039
<v Speaker 3>he looked right through me and he goes, that's a

502
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.319
<v Speaker 3>heck of a work. I said yeah, and then he

503
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 3>said it again. Arthur said, that's a heck of a work.

504
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 3>That was the point where I became convinced this is

505
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 3>the horse I need to bet on in the Kentucky Derby,

506
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>not Easygoer.

507
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Sunday.

508
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Silence would be my key horse, my big money horse,

509
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 3>right And at that point Arthur still wasn't sure the

510
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 3>horse could win the derby and beat Easygoer, but he

511
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 3>thought he could get a piece of the purse and

512
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 3>pay some bills.

513
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I owed a ton of money, and I

514
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 5>had bought all this land, you know, and a lot

515
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 5>of horses.

516
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 4>And then was eighty eight that.

517
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 5>Crash came and what was worth a dollar in a

518
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 5>land or horses became worth about thirty cents. I thought, well,

519
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, if we run second, that that wouldn't be bad.

520
00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 4>And then we got the previous minute.

521
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 5>I prepared myself, you know, for whatever eventuality occurred.

522
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 3>So then comes Derby day and again I'll never forget

523
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 3>handicapping the race and asking myself which horse do I like?

524
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had been swayed by recency bias, by

525
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 3>being around the handcocks, by watching the horse, and I'd

526
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>watched the Easygoer as well, and that was a great

527
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 3>horse and a great trainer in Sugar McGahee. But I

528
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 3>remember that Easygoer as a two year old had raced

529
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 3>the Churchill Downs and didn't really like the track. And

530
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 3>again two year old versus three year old, big difference.

531
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 3>But horses that show you they don't like the track

532
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 3>at Churchill or really anywhere else, but I think particularly

533
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Churchill that's telling. That's why I kicked myself after the Derby.

534
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned this on the show when Sovereignty won. He

535
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 3>had already won on that track.

536
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what a dope.

537
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 3>I didn't bet him, you know, the way I should have.

538
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 3>And the reason was it was an off track that day,

539
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 3>but the horse still liked the track. So anyhow, I

540
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 3>took a big, deep breath and I threw out Easy Goer.

541
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 3>And I mean I had him in an exact or whatever.

542
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>But I bet big on Sunday Silence. And sure enough,

543
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 3>on a cold, bitter day, it was spitting snow, really

544
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable out there. But I'm standing on the track and

545
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 3>here he came, the black horse rider Pat Belnezuela, in

546
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 3>kind of grayish silver and gold silks, lying down the

547
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 3>stretch in the middle of the track, kind of weaving

548
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 3>like a drunken sailor.

549
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>On the inside.

550
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 6>Thing comes Easy Goer and the awe inspiring come with

551
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.680
<v Speaker 6>a sixteenth of a mile to go, and here comes

552
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.839
<v Speaker 6>Sunday Silence. Do this pretch coming to the finish of

553
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 6>the derby?

554
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Sunday Silence?

555
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 7>What is this Comy Fight too.

556
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 3>Late and that's Dave Johnson Curtisy, ABC Sports. So Sunday

557
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Silence wins the Kentucky Derby, next stop Baltimore. We'll have

558
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 3>that after the break on six thirty WLAP Welcome back

559
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 3>to the Big Blue and Cider coming up David Sisk

560
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 3>from Cats Illustrated Forrest Tucker from WTVQ. But right now

561
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 3>we're taking a special look back at the nineteen eighty

562
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 3>nine Preakness one on this day, all those years ago

563
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 3>by Sunday Silence, and if you're just joining us, we

564
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 3>talked about how Sunday Silence survived in illness. As a weenling,

565
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 3>he was in a terrible van accident in South Texas

566
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>when he was being shipped from California back to Kentucky.

567
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Nearly died from those injuries, but recovered and prospered. As

568
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 3>a three year old, Colt won the Santa Anita Derby,

569
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 3>then won the Kentucky Derby. So now they ship him

570
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 3>to Baltimore where he's going to challenge Easygoer once again.

571
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of people thought, well, you know, maybe

572
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>the Derby was a fluke. The time was terrible in

573
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 3>the Derby was like two five or something like that,

574
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 3>and Arthur pointed out to me pragmatically, and I forgot

575
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>about this. It was an off track that day. It

576
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 3>was kind of a muddy track because of the day,

577
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>like I said, earlier, bad weather and off and on

578
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 3>rain and snow. And in the post parade, one of

579
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 3>the horses threw a shoe and so instead of scratching

580
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 3>the horse, they rushed the horse back in under the

581
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>spires into the paddock, and you know, ferrier came rushing

582
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 3>out and they reshod the horse. But meanwhile the Derby field,

583
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>those horses waiting to run, circled in the mud for gosh,

584
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 3>eight or nine ten minutes, and they.

585
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Finally loaded him into the gates.

586
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 3>So those horses got an additional work at Think about

587
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>that if you're gonna go sprint, but first you walk

588
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 3>in the mud for about ten minutes in a circle.

589
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>He was right, so a tiring Sunday silence. But all

590
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 3>the other horses were tired too, comes weaving down the stretch.

591
00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Weaving in and out, but he was well.

592
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 3>Clear of the rest of the horses and wins the

593
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Derby convincingly.

594
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people thought it was a fluke.

595
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 3>The experts believe that this one would go to easygo Er.

596
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 3>That Sunday Silence ran a nice race, but this time

597
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 3>the big horse from New York is going to get

598
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the black eyed Susans. Well it didn't quite turn out

599
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 3>that way. It was a great race, and as they

600
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 3>turned for home, Sunday Silence was on the front end

601
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 3>and an Easy Goer moved past him. And if you're

602
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 3>watching the race, you thought, well, that's it. And I

603
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.720
<v Speaker 3>remember I was over at the TV station for whatever

604
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 3>reason on that Saturday afternoon, that Saturday evening. I ordinarily

605
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.359
<v Speaker 3>worked on Saturdays if we were really busy or had

606
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 3>something else going on, or I'm filling in for one

607
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>of the anchors or whatever, but I happened to be there,

608
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 3>and I remember we were all crowded together in the

609
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>main room watching the TV and I'm screaming at the

610
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 3>top of my lungs. And as they were racing down

611
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.119
<v Speaker 3>the stretch, I see Easygoer put his head in front.

612
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, that's it. And then here's something that

613
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 3>you never are you rarely see in deep stretch like

614
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 3>a sixteenth of a mile ago, Sunday Silence retakes the lead.

615
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh I wasn't the only one who saw that. As

616
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>they were coming down the stretch. Arthur Hancock saw it happen,

617
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and he admitted to the Blood Horse on camera in

618
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 3>this video that he did ten or eleven years ago

619
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 3>that he basically had resigned himself to the fact that

620
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 3>easy Gore.

621
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Was gonna win.

622
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 5>Sunday Silence was there and Easy Gore kind of swept

623
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 5>past him. Looked to me like he might have shut

624
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 5>him off. I was watching, but Sunday Silence dropped back

625
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.880
<v Speaker 5>a length or two and I dropped my glasses and

626
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 5>said to Stacy, I said, Easy Gore just shut us off.

627
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 4>That's what I thought looking through that. He didn't.

628
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 5>He was far enough out there, but he swept past us,

629
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 5>and I thought with a move like that, I thought

630
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<v Speaker 5>it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people thought it was over.

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<v Speaker 3>But Arthur's wife, Stacy, she had her eyes on the

633
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<v Speaker 3>race and at one point she screamed to Arthur, he's

634
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<v Speaker 3>coming back.

635
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Stacy said, he's coming back. He's coming back. You want

636
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<v Speaker 4>it buy a nose?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he did.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the way Dave Johnson called it for ABC Sports.

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<v Speaker 7>Good way on the turn.

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<v Speaker 6>Heads on the outside of the front on the outside.

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<v Speaker 6>Your comes Sunday silence to kelling down there heads of

642
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<v Speaker 6>bark Sunday silence with Pat Plinzoela takes Sunay at the

643
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<v Speaker 6>quarter pole, easy goer back into second position, Dancel's coming

644
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<v Speaker 6>on third in the stretch on the upside of Sunday

645
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<v Speaker 6>silence on in the side, easy goer, head down. That's

646
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<v Speaker 6>French say, come on the outside, it's Sunday silence, easy

647
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 6>goer with pesday Bector Challis had a bark easy goar

648
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<v Speaker 6>on the inside of a slight lead by outside Sunday silence.

649
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<v Speaker 8>Here at the far back, here's the fas of.

650
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<v Speaker 6>The preakness Sunday sign of an easy goar photo fat

651
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<v Speaker 6>show you a park I can't tell, but on the

652
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<v Speaker 6>outside Sunday side of for Pat Velinzuela, he's.

653
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<v Speaker 9>Waving a quippling. He thinks he wanted to time what

654
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.480
<v Speaker 9>fifty three and four fifty second tramatic photo finish either

655
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<v Speaker 9>Sunday silent on the upside tinner of the derby, who

656
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<v Speaker 9>will try to make it two steps to the triple

657
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 9>crown or easy if you are at the rail with

658
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<v Speaker 9>that day.

659
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<v Speaker 2>What a finish yad was?

660
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<v Speaker 3>And Sunday Silence wins it, and basically, as Arthur Hancock

661
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 3>put it, saved their farm. Because of the money he

662
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>made by winning both the Derby and the Preakness, a

663
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Handcock family was able to pay some bills and keep

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<v Speaker 3>people employed.

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<v Speaker 5>Sunday Silence was a gift from God, and he saved us.

666
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:38.679
<v Speaker 5>He saved I had wife and children, and Sunday Silence

667
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 5>saved us.

668
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 4>He saved the farm.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the two horses hooked each other again, and

670
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 3>the Belmont actually went and covered that Belmont because I

671
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be there if the Hancocks won a triple Crown.

672
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 3>But Easygoer racing on his home track, a bigger track

673
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 3>with the wide sweeping turns which benefited a big horse

674
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 3>like Easygoer, wins on his home turf and prevents Sunday

675
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Silence from winning the triple Crown. Arthur admitted he was disappointed,

676
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:06.280
<v Speaker 3>but he said when he got into it, all he

677
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 3>ever dreamed about was winning the Derby. I didn't dream

678
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 3>about winning the triple Crown. Just get me a Kentucky Derby,

679
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>which he did, and the horses hooked each other again

680
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 3>in the Breeders Cup. The following fall and Sunday Silence

681
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 3>won it again. And if you remember the story from

682
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 3>earlier when Whittingham told Hancock, my boy, we're gonna get

683
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 3>the money. Prior to the Breeders Cup, I was told

684
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a second hand that Whittingham was talking to a pr

685
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 3>person from the Breeders Cup. She said something to Charlie

686
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.119
<v Speaker 3>about you know, he's got a pretty good chance at winning.

687
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 3>And he turned to her and he said, bleeping the bleep,

688
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna win that bleeping money. And she said, yeah,

689
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 3>you got a big chance, and he said it again,

690
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna win that bleeping money, which is when they

691
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 3>loaded up out there on Sunday Silence so a great horse,

692
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 3>and again, as Arthur said, the ugly duckling that truly

693
00:37:56.159 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>became a swan and saved the family farm. Now, business

694
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Speaker 3>being business, Arthur had to sell the horse. He wanted

695
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 3>to keep him, but he at bills to pay, so

696
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 3>he sold him to a group from Japan, and Sunday

697
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<v Speaker 3>Silence went on to become the greatest sire in the

698
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>history of Japanese racing. There are champion horses throughout Japanese

699
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:22.719
<v Speaker 3>racing now that trace their lineage back the Sunday Silence.

700
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Arthur brought him home at one point, and he spent

701
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time in his later years back here

702
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 3>in Kentucky, but eventually went back to Japan. And the

703
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>horse actually died in Japan, but not until he had become,

704
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 3>of course, a great race horse and a great sire.

705
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 3>And again it was on this day in nineteen eighty

706
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 3>nine at Sunday, Silence won the Preakness, the second jewel

707
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 3>of racing's triple Crown. Coming up next, we'll hear from

708
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<v Speaker 3>David Sisk of Cats Illustrated and Forrest Tucker from w

709
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<v Speaker 3>tvq D on The Big New Insider six point thirty

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<v Speaker 3>WLAP suact out.

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<v Speaker 8>Such Statuta sat out, such.

712
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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining us now is a guy who makes the rounds

714
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 3>on the radio talk shows because we learned a lot

715
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 3>of basketball from David Sisks from Cats Illustrated. Part of

716
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 3>the Rivals Network covers Kentucky and North Carolina recruiting. This

717
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 3>is a busy time for you, isn't a coach? I

718
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 3>know that the basketball season's over, but the recruiting season, well,

719
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 3>it never really ends.

720
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Does it.

721
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<v Speaker 7>No?

722
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<v Speaker 10>And I was getting ready to say, if you had

723
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 10>to put that on and it never stops, and you

724
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 10>know it doesn't, so you go from May. Now. The

725
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 10>one thing about it the we we just got done

726
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.400
<v Speaker 10>in Memphis. We had a live period. I was at

727
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 10>the Nike U y b L. But you know, Adidas

728
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 10>was in uh, Iowa. I think under Armor was in

729
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 10>uh uh Cincinnati area, and then you had Poom. We've

730
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 10>got like five shoe circuits now, so you know, Mark

731
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 10>Pope was in uh he was in Memphis Friday night,

732
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 10>he was in Iowa Saturday morning, and Anitas didn't turn

733
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.239
<v Speaker 10>around Saturday afternoon. He's back in Memphis, so you know

734
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 10>he's he's back and forth. But that's kind of how

735
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 10>you feel right now. But you know, usually uh, you

736
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 10>ended up to eyb you had four spring sessions, uh

737
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 10>they au ball and the last one it will always

738
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 10>always be around Memortal Day weekend and now you've got

739
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 10>three and so that's helped a little bit. But to me,

740
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 10>the biggest thing is getting the transfer portal over with.

741
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 10>That's That's what I'll make you want to, you know,

742
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 10>question your career choice is the never ending transfer portal.

743
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.000
<v Speaker 10>But then you uh, you know, but then you're going

744
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 10>to get in it'll be okay, and then about the

745
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 10>middle of June they'll start reaching out directly to the

746
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 10>twenty twenty six kids, and then all of a sudden,

747
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 10>you're you're in uh aau ball in July, and then

748
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 10>you've got official visits and all that getting set up,

749
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:45.920
<v Speaker 10>and then you've got the fall, and then you got

750
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 10>your season and high school season, then you go through

751
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:49.800
<v Speaker 10>the whole thing all over again.

752
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 3>Tell me what your impressions are of the portal class

753
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 3>that Mark Pope has put together now that things have

754
00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 3>settled down.

755
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 10>Uh, obviously a tremendous class. Everybody that I've seen has

756
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 10>them ranked in the top three. And I think myself,

757
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 10>looking at play now, I don't have I don't go

758
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 10>down a list into a portal ranking look at everybody,

759
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 10>but you know who the best ones are. I think

760
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 10>they're probably right around number two. And you know, when

761
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 10>when you take high school kids coming in, who should

762
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 10>get on the floor. Overall, it's a very good class

763
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 10>that they brought in, a very good group. And I

764
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 10>think not only did they address means, they they're deep,

765
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 10>you know, so it's not like they've just got one

766
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 10>guy this spot. They wanted to go at least too

767
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 10>deep in every spot, and they've got versatility and flexibility.

768
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 10>And I think last year they thought they were deep

769
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.639
<v Speaker 10>and then all the injuries that they got and they

770
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 10>really found out, you know, they didn't have as much

771
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 10>depth as what they thought they had. I think he's

772
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 10>approaching it now now that they kind of lifted the

773
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 10>capital on the number of scholarships you can have. I

774
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 10>think it kind of reminds me of an NBA team.

775
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 10>So if you can put fifteen spots, if you can

776
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 10>have fifteen spots, why would you have in NBA ten?

777
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 10>You know, they fill off fifteen, whether it's the two

778
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 10>way deals or whatever. So it kind of looks to

779
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 10>me like, you know, Pope's kind of taking that approach

780
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 10>that you know he's going to try to fill you know,

781
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 10>every spot and have a deep of a roster is

782
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:41.800
<v Speaker 10>what he can have.

783
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, you cover recruiting, you've coached this game, and you know,

784
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Pope had to answer critics. They were very polite about it,

785
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 3>but some Kentucky fans were a little i don't know, confused,

786
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 3>myft whatever. When Pope would have a group on the

787
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 3>floor maybe to open the game and would get out

788
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 3>to this great start. Then he starts subbing and people

789
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 3>began and you and I spoke about that during the season,

790
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 3>and you talked about how you might be cutting down

791
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 3>on his subs. But he he was you know, I

792
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>don't want to say stubborn, but he was confident in

793
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 3>the way he's doing things and that he wants to

794
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 3>play everybody keep him fresh, that kind of thing. As

795
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the season went on, did you see more value in that?

796
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 10>I did, because he built debt. Yeah, so that's the thing.

797
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 10>You could keep that five out there. You know, Jerry

798
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:41.480
<v Speaker 10>Tartanian say, you only need to be about eight deep,

799
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 10>needed six guys play and two be over in the

800
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 10>bench's scream with yell well as they could. So Pope

801
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 10>obviously didn't believe in that. So if he would have

802
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 10>taken that philosophy and any injury set in, you go

803
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 10>right in the middle East. See, and your your players

804
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 10>are not ready, they've never been on the floor, but

805
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 10>you know, we'd already started playing. I think Travis Perry

806
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 10>and Noah and and you know your freshman Chandler ended

807
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 10>up playing a lot. No it was sporadic at times,

808
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 10>so they may I think toward the end of the

809
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 10>year That was the thing to me. You never know

810
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 10>where it was going to come from. You could take

811
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 10>Travis Perry for example. He may go three games and

812
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.320
<v Speaker 10>never get in and then all of a sudden when

813
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 10>he does plays playing twenty five minutes and he has

814
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 10>a big game, or you know that was the case, Well,

815
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 10>I think any of the freshmen. So I thought that

816
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 10>was and I don't not privy to you know the

817
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 10>thinking behind that. I thought that was a little unusual.

818
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 10>But it worked out. But she definitely I think, took

819
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 10>criticism like you said, but I think it did work

820
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 10>out for and when all the injuries set in, and

821
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 10>obviously we know they did at the end of.

822
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 3>The year, Travis Harry waited until literally the last possible, yeah,

823
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 3>moments before he announced his transfer and did it with

824
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 3>a little vanfare. How much did that surprise you if

825
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 3>at all?

826
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 10>I think the timing I know this. I get so

827
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 10>busy in the portal, and the thing that I hate

828
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 10>about the portal is you have all these contents, Well,

829
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 10>Kentucky's contacted this guy and this guy that guy, And

830
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 10>it's not like scholarship offers where you've got a limited amount.

831
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 10>You get into the portal and the next thing you know,

832
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 10>you're trying to find out about one hundred and fifty

833
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 10>guys in a too much span, it seems like, and

834
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 10>it's just it never ends. It's just twenty four hours

835
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 10>to day, seven days a week, and you're just praying

836
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 10>for it to get over. So what happens is you

837
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 10>get in the middle of that and you kind of

838
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:04.400
<v Speaker 10>forget who's not putting you and you know, so you're

839
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 10>not thinking Travis Perry. You're thinking about you know, all

840
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 10>these guys that are going to Kentucky, and guys are

841
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 10>in a hunt board to go to Indiana or somewhere

842
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 10>else and uh a Boogie Land or somebody like that

843
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 10>that's in now, and you don't even think about it,

844
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 10>so it sneaks up on you. And but then once

845
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 10>you see that, I think it's a timing more than anything.

846
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 10>And when it happens late, but then you're like, well, yeah,

847
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 10>I guess it does make sense because it's like you

848
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 10>and I talked about here. When you're at Kentucky, you're

849
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 10>Mark Pope. You've got a responsibility just like John Teller

850
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 10>Perry did it for him that he's going to You're

851
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 10>going to get recruited over. And I've made this statement

852
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 10>before that the one of the best conversations that I've

853
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 10>ever had about Kentucky recruiting with with Andy Borman, who

854
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 10>ran the New York RN's AAU program and was Coach

855
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 10>K's son in law, and he he had lance Ware,

856
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.079
<v Speaker 10>and I remember when lance Ware was committed and I

857
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 10>called talked to him and he told me. He said,

858
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 10>I told lance when you get recruited over year one,

859
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 10>don't come back. Don't don't come home. If you want

860
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 10>to go to Kentucky or North Carolina or Duke or Tangen,

861
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.840
<v Speaker 10>You're going to get recruited over. When you get recruited

862
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 10>over your sophomore year, don't come home, you know. And

863
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:35.320
<v Speaker 10>he made it three years that Kentucky constantly getting recruited over.

864
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 10>And a couple of women told him, you go to

865
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 10>a place like Kentucky, it's going to happen. You need

866
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 10>to expect that and know that they're constantly going to

867
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 10>try to upgrade your position. So you know, that's what

868
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.519
<v Speaker 10>happened with Perry. I think he understood he was constantly

869
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 10>going to get recruited over, and that's the nature of

870
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 10>the beast. You know, it's nobody's fault. Nobody's the bad

871
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 10>guy here, but that's that's just the way it works.

872
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 3>He is David Sisko, Cats Illustrated, part of the Rivals Network.

873
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Will come back and talk more hoops with a coach

874
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 3>on the other side of the break here on six

875
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.760
<v Speaker 3>thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're talking with David Siske is

876
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 3>part of the Rivals Network. You see his work on

877
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Cats Illustrated covering and the recruiting for Kentucky and North Carolina.

878
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Tell me about Mark Pope and his staff, which is important,

879
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 3>of course, the entire staff, but their recruiting efforts, David,

880
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 3>now in year number two, especially coming off year number one,

881
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 3>when they answered so many questions, you know, because people wondered,

882
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 3>can this guy and this to me was ridiculous, canny

883
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 3>recruited and of course he can. They wondered could he

884
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 3>win in the win in the NCAA tournament. Obviously he can,

885
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 3>but they put those questions to rest. And now it

886
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>seems like they've got a ton of momentum.

887
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Am I reading that right now?

888
00:50:52.559 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 10>You're correct, and they do. And I don't think into

889
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 10>the Sweet sixteen necessarily makes you up a hot program.

890
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 10>I think you need a deep run kind of do

891
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 10>that nationally. But and what I'm talking about is I

892
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 10>don't think yet they got the cachet that uh Yukon got,

893
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.239
<v Speaker 10>well two straight national titles, of Alabama got going to

894
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 10>a Final four, or Houston's got right now. I know,

895
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 10>like I said, being an AU event, when Kevin Sampson

896
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 10>walk walks in, you see him, you just look at it.

897
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 10>As great as he was, he's one of my favorite

898
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 10>coaches and has been, you just look at him a

899
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.639
<v Speaker 10>little differently. And it's just I think in your subconsciousness

900
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 10>of human nature, it's almost like you've got to glower

901
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 10>halo around defense. So it's it's that that's you know,

902
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 10>like I said, that's just the way we're wired. So

903
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 10>but I do think Kentucky's got like I said, momentum,

904
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 10>I think the playing style does a lot. Players like

905
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:03.719
<v Speaker 10>what they're seeing. They're constantly when they recruit, they're sending

906
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 10>out there the way I take it, they're texting out

907
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.400
<v Speaker 10>these these video clips all the time of their playing

908
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 10>style and what they do and how the player would

909
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 10>fit in it. And the players really like what they're running.

910
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 10>The parents like what they're running uh you know, and

911
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 10>coach Popany's staff I think approached this and recruiting a

912
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 10>very good way. They put people at ease. So but

913
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 10>now we know nil is such a big deal that

914
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.320
<v Speaker 10>even the guys that they're in on now and you

915
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 10>think they're good shape for all it takes is one

916
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 10>nil bit over the top and that, you know, the

917
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 10>house of cards come down. So and that's the world

918
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 10>we live in now. But yeah, they definitely you know,

919
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 10>when you when you have a year ahead and you

920
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 10>put together recruiting class like they had on top of it.

921
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 10>And if you look what they did even last year

922
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 10>in the recruiting class now limited amount of time that

923
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 10>he had to put together a team like that, I mean,

924
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 10>I think they've been above board, you know, a recruiting

925
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 10>class the season. In the second recruiting class he had

926
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 10>knocked at Alla Park all three times.

927
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.159
<v Speaker 3>What do you like about their playing style?

928
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:25.639
<v Speaker 10>I like that it's a modern style. It is free flowing,

929
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 10>there's a lot of reads. You know. He said that

930
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 10>they didn't shoot as many three pointers last year. He

931
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 10>said his press conference last week, did not shoot as

932
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.199
<v Speaker 10>many three pointers as he wants to shoot. I like

933
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 10>that type. So the thing is, if you ask me going,

934
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.280
<v Speaker 10>who's your favorite coach in college basketball? Just from that

935
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 10>you like the style was Nate Oates and so that

936
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 10>kind of tells you how I'm wired. Yeah, yeah, so

937
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 10>I like the I like the modern day offense. I

938
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 10>like the analytics of it. I think when you watch

939
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 10>them play, there's a rhyme or reason for everything they do.

940
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:09.840
<v Speaker 10>There's just it's style based, it's it's percentage based. It

941
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 10>translates into the NBA game. It's fun to watch for fans.

942
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:15.039
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

943
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 10>So you know, I like all that I don't like,

944
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.679
<v Speaker 10>and they ran. I think they were a very You

945
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.599
<v Speaker 10>had a lot of imagination to be able to play

946
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 10>all these bigs together like you did and still keep

947
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 10>the wartch court spread out, and I think it's hard

948
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.239
<v Speaker 10>to do, but they were really good at it. And

949
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:37.679
<v Speaker 10>I don't necessarily like just the old traditional power forward

950
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.039
<v Speaker 10>and the high post centered down on the block and

951
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.840
<v Speaker 10>they never get out on the floor and it's just

952
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 10>it's just pounded in there and throw it off the backboard.

953
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 10>Five guys try to go get it. You know. I

954
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.000
<v Speaker 10>just like this stuff of offense much better than than

955
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 10>than you know what some of the alternatives are well, you.

956
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Know, speaking of the Bigs and the way they played,

957
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 3>I found it really interesting by the end of the

958
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 3>year the value of Mariy Williams value, at least in

959
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 3>the eyes of fans and maybe yours as well, it

960
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.559
<v Speaker 3>was more about offense than defense, because you know, they

961
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 3>had their problems with defense early in the year, and

962
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Williams was three time defensive player of.

963
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 2>The Year in this league.

964
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 3>We knew that, but he wasn't quite the rim protector

965
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.920
<v Speaker 3>that we thought he might be for whatever reason. However,

966
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:26.159
<v Speaker 3>he was such a great passer in that offense that

967
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 3>was such a good and when he had to run

968
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 3>the point more than once, I thought it was fascinating. Coach,

969
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 3>the way that script kind of got flipped. You know

970
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:35.199
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.

971
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 10>I think you could go to the shopping mall and

972
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 10>Lexington or Louisville, Kentucky year one and have a microphone

973
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.159
<v Speaker 10>and grab the first hundred people and say what kind

974
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 10>of center does Mark Pope want to have his offense?

975
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 10>And they could give you a pretty educated answer. Just

976
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 10>about everybody. I mean, if you watch them play, and

977
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 10>we know that ball handling is a big part of that,

978
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 10>so like, if we look into Malachi Marino that's coming

979
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 10>in the first we're not looking at really what he

980
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.239
<v Speaker 10>does down on a block. You're kind of looking at

981
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 10>how does he handle the ball? Can he dribble it,

982
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 10>can pass it, canny maneuver with it. And so I

983
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 10>think that goes back not only the Pope's style, but

984
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:24.000
<v Speaker 10>that's because of Amari Williams. So when Mark Pope says, hey,

985
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.039
<v Speaker 10>when we go into the portal, we are looking analytically

986
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.159
<v Speaker 10>for which players match our system. So if I've got

987
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 10>a center and there's found to two guys or one's

988
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Speaker 10>ranked number two and the portal and another guy's ranking twelve,

989
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 10>if the number twelve guy fits us analytically better than

990
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.159
<v Speaker 10>what we do, we're gonna take the number twelve guy.

991
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.840
<v Speaker 10>We're not worried about the rankings. And I think we

992
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 10>kind of see that cod with him from Drexel and

993
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 10>maybe with a Kobe Brad and some of these guys

994
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.800
<v Speaker 10>maybe weren't quite as highly regarded that man. They really

995
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 10>matched what Mark Pope wants to do. And I I

996
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 10>look at players now, and you know they recruited a

997
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 10>kid in the Ukah they're looking at right now, Dean Rukert,

998
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 10>and I'm sitting there. We're talking to a couple of

999
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 10>National guys while he's playing, and they're like, man, he

1000
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 10>just looks like Mark Pope's kind of players. So I

1001
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 10>think even in year two, we've already got a good

1002
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.960
<v Speaker 10>idea in all the different positions. What Mark Pope's taught

1003
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 10>the player really is sure. Uh, just one thing that's interesting.

1004
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 10>I was talking to another SEC coach in Memphis weekend

1005
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.599
<v Speaker 10>and he said it's going to be interesting because he's

1006
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 10>brought in some strong, physcal guys like Diabode might be

1007
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 10>one who are not shooters. They're physical. So I'm wondering

1008
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 10>if he's trying to adjust a little bit from that, saying, Okay,

1009
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.599
<v Speaker 10>if we're in the SEC, we've got to be more physical.

1010
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 10>We may have to put some non shooters out there,

1011
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 10>even maybe more than one on the floor at the

1012
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 10>same time, playing extended minutes, because we got to match

1013
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 10>the physicality in the sectate. So he may be making

1014
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.119
<v Speaker 10>a little bit of adjustment. They're up right front of

1015
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:08.440
<v Speaker 10>my eyes.

1016
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I can see that.

1017
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Just a couple of minutes left with David sisk if

1018
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:12.199
<v Speaker 3>cat illustrated.

1019
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't know.

1020
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.159
<v Speaker 3>If I've asked you straight up yet your thoughts on

1021
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 3>malachaim Mareno, because I got to cover the state tournament

1022
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 3>all the way through his championship and really for a

1023
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 3>couple of years, and uh, you know, he could be

1024
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 3>the classic low post big man. But you know he

1025
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 3>also looks like a guy. Well, they tell me he

1026
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.079
<v Speaker 3>can shoot threes and make them. They just didn't want

1027
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:35.920
<v Speaker 3>him to in high school. You know, they needed him

1028
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.400
<v Speaker 3>under the bucket. But yeah, just hear your impressions to him.

1029
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 10>Well you just said there if they didn't have the

1030
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 10>rim protection last year, and you're right, Williams six eleven,

1031
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 10>but he really didn't get off the floor. So they

1032
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 10>got it. Now they got and they're gonna have acquaintance too.

1033
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.199
<v Speaker 10>So you've got two centers right there, two guys playing

1034
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.400
<v Speaker 10>a five who can absolutely protect the rims. So that

1035
00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.079
<v Speaker 10>gives you that.

1036
00:58:59.280 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I like it.

1037
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 10>I think he handles the ball well out front. I

1038
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.559
<v Speaker 10>think he's got a nice little jump shot. I don't

1039
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.599
<v Speaker 10>know how deep it goes out, but I know around

1040
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.400
<v Speaker 10>the elbow areas and stuff, it looks pretty good. You know,

1041
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 10>he can dribble the ball, he can pass it, he

1042
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 10>can handle it. That's a big prerequisite. So I think

1043
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 10>the thing you're looking at Kentucky, I don't think he's

1044
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 10>the one done. So is he a guy that you

1045
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.920
<v Speaker 10>could get them to stay for year two? Perhaps you're three,

1046
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 10>but definitely year two. And being a Kentucky kid, we say,

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00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 10>and you can say, well, Travis Perry was a Kentucky kid,

1048
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 10>but that's apples and oranges and and you're talking about

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00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.800
<v Speaker 10>bringing a top twenty guy in here that was the

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00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:38.880
<v Speaker 10>second highest ranked high school center in the country in

1051
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.480
<v Speaker 10>his in his group. So you know, I don't care

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00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 10>if you're in Kansas and you get them out of Camarino,

1053
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.599
<v Speaker 10>you've got a big signee there. But you know, being

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00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 10>in the state of Kentucky, you know, I think because

1055
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 10>of that, you get a chance that he doesn't hit

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00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 10>the portal after year one and he sticks around for

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00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 10>the second year and really develops because you know he's

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01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.000
<v Speaker 10>already you can't teach seven to one, you know, you

1059
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.519
<v Speaker 10>can't coach it. You can't teach it. Only God give

1060
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 10>you that. So he uh so, yeah, yeah, I definitely

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01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 10>I'm all in on it.

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01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's probably after a year could be looking at

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01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.760
<v Speaker 3>in a take a always situation, go off and get

1065
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the information from the draft, and if you come back,

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01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:26.440
<v Speaker 3>you stand to make more money playing another.

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<v Speaker 2>Year of college ball.

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<v Speaker 10>Right, Yeah, And that's what we're looking at now, and

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<v Speaker 10>I've seen some excellent articles on that as i'm time research.

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<v Speaker 10>But you're basically to the point now. It used to

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<v Speaker 10>be if you're in the second round, you might come

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<v Speaker 10>back to college simply because you you didn't get any

1073
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.360
<v Speaker 10>type of guarantees and your your whole motivation was there

1074
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<v Speaker 10>for if I'm a second round it doesn't work out

1075
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 10>daring and you're losing a college degree and everything else.

1076
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.280
<v Speaker 10>But now will be in al The difference is they

1077
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 10>can pay you more than definitely what the second round can,

1078
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.840
<v Speaker 10>but they can pay you more than many in the

1079
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.599
<v Speaker 10>first round picks. I think if you're at a place,

1080
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.719
<v Speaker 10>if you're in an Otago Oway with what he'll be

1081
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 10>getting north three million if he comes back to Kentucky,

1082
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 10>unless you're a lottery pick and you're going to make

1083
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.320
<v Speaker 10>more coming back to Kentucky. Now, I understand, the first

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01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 10>round gives you guarantees, but Old Ways is not going

1085
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.559
<v Speaker 10>to get first round and I can understand, well, you

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01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 10>get a two year contractor a three year contract and

1087
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:34.639
<v Speaker 10>that turns out to the hill. But I had a

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01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.039
<v Speaker 10>guy tell me, and I think he's exactly right. He said,

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01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 10>you know, if you don't go come back. He said,

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01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 10>if you're old way and you don't come back, you're

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01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 10>spending about three years once you do go pro trying

1092
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 10>to make up the money lost by not going back

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01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.679
<v Speaker 10>to Kentucky. And I thought that was that was really

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01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.639
<v Speaker 10>an excellent quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everybody wants to get to that second contract, but

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01:01:58.400 --> 01:01:59.480
<v Speaker 3>they forget that.

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01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he I've heard that quote.

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<v Speaker 3>You're chasing that money and it's going to take a while,

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01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.480
<v Speaker 3>and you got to stay healthy enough to recoup it.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's big business, no question. David Sisk is

1101
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.079
<v Speaker 3>big business and the interest of recruiting. And you should

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01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 3>follow him on Twitter at Coach David Sisk. Look for

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01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:19.719
<v Speaker 3>him on the website Cats Illustrated part of the Rivals Network.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, coach, talk to you again soon.

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01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next, Forest.

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker from WTVQ TV channel thirty six, Here on six

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01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 3>thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big Moon Sider joining

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<v Speaker 3>us now from ABC channel thirty six WTVQ Forrest Tucker,

1110
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.000
<v Speaker 3>who is a guy who covers a little bit of everything,

1111
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 3>including the derby. I want to double back to that

1112
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:43.920
<v Speaker 3>because I'm always curious about folks who come in from

1113
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.400
<v Speaker 3>out of town and get a chance to cover that event.

1114
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 3>But you've been covering Mark Pope of late. And he

1115
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:54.320
<v Speaker 3>sat down and then had quite the frank discussion I

1116
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 3>think with the media the other day Forrest. Was there

1117
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.920
<v Speaker 3>any one particular takeaway from that because there were a

1118
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 3>lot of good sound bites, weren't there.

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01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:04.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>I thought there was a litany of sound bites you

1121
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.840
<v Speaker 11>could have gone with and you could have made into stories.

1122
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 11>And so when I think about the thing that I

1123
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 11>was was a bit disappointed about, but knew it was

1124
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.199
<v Speaker 11>a long shot. I asked him, what's the nil valuation

1125
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.800
<v Speaker 11>of your roster? And who jokingly said posted two hundred million,

1126
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.880
<v Speaker 11>which I touched Lee K Howard from KYK on the Sour,

1127
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 11>I said, he's joking, right, like I just I'm sometimes

1128
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 11>a little bit slow to the trigger with understanding things.

1129
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.760
<v Speaker 11>And I was like, all right, he's definitely joking. But

1130
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:36.760
<v Speaker 11>then he produced a very as a friend of mine

1131
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:40.159
<v Speaker 11>put it, you know, steal clapping sound bite for BBN

1132
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 11>if we want to be the best in everything, and

1133
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.679
<v Speaker 11>Lotty Dottie died and so yes, coach Beek. When Mark

1134
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 11>does coach speak, though, I think you don't know it's

1135
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.119
<v Speaker 11>coach speak because he just is so eloquent. Yes, And

1136
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.480
<v Speaker 11>I think, really that's just kind of the thing for me,

1137
01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.639
<v Speaker 11>is you you want to know candidly from these coaches,

1138
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:04.000
<v Speaker 11>whoever it is, what is the emphasis are players coming

1139
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:07.119
<v Speaker 11>in and what is the question? What question numberre they

1140
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.400
<v Speaker 11>asking about an ilan? Are they asking about this in

1141
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.199
<v Speaker 11>the first five questions the first five minutes or with

1142
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.719
<v Speaker 11>from like Kentucky and Mark Pope. The way he's selling

1143
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 11>it is these guys kind of don't really care about

1144
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.280
<v Speaker 11>that and said he's looking for guys that aren't fishing

1145
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.079
<v Speaker 11>for that, And so I wonder really what the deal

1146
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:24.840
<v Speaker 11>is because we can be told this all day long.

1147
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:28.000
<v Speaker 11>And I'm not saying it's something bad, but it's good

1148
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.360
<v Speaker 11>to know in this day and age. It's like a

1149
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 11>job interview. Are you going to care how much money

1150
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 11>you're going to be making right off the bat or

1151
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.119
<v Speaker 11>can we talk about the opportunity first?

1152
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.320
<v Speaker 3>I agree, and I think there are still players out

1153
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.800
<v Speaker 3>there like these guys who came through last year, and

1154
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.480
<v Speaker 3>you were part of the media horde to descend it

1155
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 3>on these guys when we were allowed to talk to

1156
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 3>them in August and throughout the year, and without fail,

1157
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:55.639
<v Speaker 3>every one of them you could tell how much they

1158
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.800
<v Speaker 3>appreciated being at a place like Kentucky with the t

1159
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 3>tradition and the name on the jersey and all that.

1160
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.639
<v Speaker 3>I do wonder how many generations of players who come

1161
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 3>through here will keep appreciating, you know what I mean.

1162
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.920
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, yeah, at some point that's gonna wear off.

1163
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:15.159
<v Speaker 3>I worry for that, do you.

1164
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.000
<v Speaker 11>I don't know. I think it really depends on how

1165
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.760
<v Speaker 11>parents are raising their kids these days. And really I'm

1166
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:25.400
<v Speaker 11>not anywhere near being a parent, but I was raised

1167
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.559
<v Speaker 11>by parents who were not, you know, telling you to

1168
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.440
<v Speaker 11>go after certain things in life, but really value the intangibles.

1169
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.840
<v Speaker 11>That made a big difference. And so I think if

1170
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.519
<v Speaker 11>the kids are having a good head on their shoulders,

1171
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.679
<v Speaker 11>then they'll come in and they'll want to work hard.

1172
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.119
<v Speaker 11>And I think we can criticize the next generation for

1173
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:46.159
<v Speaker 11>not wanting to do that pretty easily, and some of

1174
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 11>that is warranted. But I do believe, you know, he

1175
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:53.800
<v Speaker 11>being Pope mentioned that Denzel Aberdeen comes from military family.

1176
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 11>He is a very hard worker, and so that speaks

1177
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.199
<v Speaker 11>to me because that's kind of my background as well well.

1178
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 11>So I think that it's not like Mark Pub's going

1179
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:07.199
<v Speaker 11>to really go and recruit kids and doing deep guys

1180
01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:10.280
<v Speaker 11>in their families all the time. But I think that

1181
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:12.840
<v Speaker 11>when you look in the recruiting process and you see

1182
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 11>what's going on. I actually interviewed some people, some Kentucky

1183
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:19.039
<v Speaker 11>bill Bakers about a documentary they did on Blue Ship

1184
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:23.719
<v Speaker 11>football recruits. You know, sometimes the parents get involved and

1185
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.880
<v Speaker 11>they really really are a bit over zealous with what

1186
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:29.119
<v Speaker 11>they want, and that trickles down to the kids. And

1187
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:32.760
<v Speaker 11>you can talk about looking vicariously through their child's experiences

1188
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 11>with a lot of stuff. That's a whole of a conversation.

1189
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 11>But I think as long as the kids come from

1190
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:39.360
<v Speaker 11>a good family and they've had good coaches as a

1191
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:42.719
<v Speaker 11>basis during their youth days, then perhaps that goes well

1192
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.599
<v Speaker 11>for their marketability as a really good recruit as a

1193
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:48.719
<v Speaker 11>culture fit. Because I think Pope is going for the

1194
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.840
<v Speaker 11>culture fit. And I guess your thought is, is there

1195
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.599
<v Speaker 11>a chance where he may be like, Ah, this guy

1196
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:55.480
<v Speaker 11>might not be the best culture fit. I'm going to

1197
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 11>have to work with him to kind of mold him,

1198
01:06:58.519 --> 01:06:59.079
<v Speaker 11>you know what I mean?

1199
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do, although I think that in this day

1200
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 3>and age, especially with Kentucky's budget being what it is,

1201
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that he's going to have to really

1202
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.679
<v Speaker 3>really do that because he'll have enough funding, you know,

1203
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 3>in his background behind him. Rather to be picky, be

1204
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 3>as picky as he needs to be, you know, I

1205
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.480
<v Speaker 3>can't think of a better We'll selective, you.

1206
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:26.000
<v Speaker 11>Know, I agree. I think that what we realize what

1207
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 11>the transfer portal is develops is it's kind of like

1208
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:31.599
<v Speaker 11>just the wall of candy and BUCkies or something for

1209
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.119
<v Speaker 11>the wall of beef's turkey, right, I mean, you can

1210
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:38.280
<v Speaker 11>get any type of thing you want, and it doesn't

1211
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.639
<v Speaker 11>matter if they're out of the one thing. If they're

1212
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 11>out of maple brown sugar, they have maple, they have

1213
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:48.000
<v Speaker 11>maple bacon or something. Yeah, maple bacon beef turkey is something,

1214
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.880
<v Speaker 11>but don't that exists. But that's my point is there's

1215
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.039
<v Speaker 11>an adjacent player that you know, you may have thought

1216
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.039
<v Speaker 11>that will work and I didn't, And now we'll go

1217
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.239
<v Speaker 11>with him because he still fits a lot of things.

1218
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.280
<v Speaker 11>I mean, these guys. I wonder Mark Pope is ahead

1219
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 11>of it all, and you know he's important, but he's assistant.

1220
01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 11>This is what I you know, get. I'm not trying

1221
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 11>to get into the access to some stations in the

1222
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.760
<v Speaker 11>market aver versus others. But the assistant coaches on this

1223
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 11>team are so important because they're doing all of this.

1224
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 11>It's not groundwork, but it's so much of the nitty

1225
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 11>gritty I think makes the hugest difference in recruiting it

1226
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:26.600
<v Speaker 11>and everything.

1227
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:28.439
<v Speaker 2>No, I agree.

1228
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.079
<v Speaker 3>And now with the portal being what it is, and

1229
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Mark Troops has talked about this, you've got a much

1230
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.319
<v Speaker 3>better opportunity to know what you're getting in terms of

1231
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:44.079
<v Speaker 3>playing ability, but also locker room presence, you know, personalities

1232
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.199
<v Speaker 3>and things like that. You don't know about a high

1233
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.800
<v Speaker 3>school senior how he's going to mature in the next two, three,

1234
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.239
<v Speaker 3>four years, you know, but you've got a pretty good idea.

1235
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.439
<v Speaker 3>Some of these portal guys, as you know, are in

1236
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:59.239
<v Speaker 3>their third, fourth, and even fifty years. That's a huge difference.

1237
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.720
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I think that it's good because you can definitely

1238
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:06.000
<v Speaker 11>get the guys that will be your lieutenants in the

1239
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:10.119
<v Speaker 11>locker room. That's important. Especially on a huge team like

1240
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 11>Kentucky football, you need the guys that are going to

1241
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:16.399
<v Speaker 11>hold everyone together to the blue. On a basketball team,

1242
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:17.359
<v Speaker 11>it's different.

1243
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I think.

1244
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:20.640
<v Speaker 11>You know, we heard last season the guys everybody stepped

1245
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:22.479
<v Speaker 11>up when they needed to. You know, everybody had a

1246
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 11>mutual trust and kind of respect for each other, which

1247
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.960
<v Speaker 11>was great to hear about. And we saw it on

1248
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.279
<v Speaker 11>the court. You know, we never saw I don't think

1249
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.640
<v Speaker 11>we ever saw last season an instant between two teammates

1250
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.399
<v Speaker 11>jarring at each other because they were upset. We never

1251
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.119
<v Speaker 11>saw that. And how many teams in America can you

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<v Speaker 11>say that hasn't happened on now Maybe behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 11>there was one or two things, but I think that,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, we would have sent some sort someone would

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<v Speaker 11>have known that. Now, not saying that anyone's a choir boy,

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not saying they're not. I just think that it's

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<v Speaker 11>important that Mark Pope keeps this brand of It's kind

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<v Speaker 11>of like you know, Shaneview or South Carolina, you know,

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01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.439
<v Speaker 11>uses the word excited like every five seconds. Mark Pope

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<v Speaker 11>uses the word beautiful in the same frequency. So he's

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<v Speaker 11>trying to keep He's trying to find people that aren't

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<v Speaker 11>afraid to kind of not be this you know, rugged, rigged,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, rugged, just like kind of you know, stereotypical

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<v Speaker 11>masculine guy. He's looking for the guys that are in

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<v Speaker 11>touch with their emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're talking to

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01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 3>Forrest Tucker of WTVQ. He's been covering, among other things,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Pope and the moves he's made with his roster.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've already heard people for us say, maybe you agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>This year's team may be more talented than last year's team,

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<v Speaker 3>may accomplish more, which means, of course, a final four.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, Pope already knows about the expectations. He

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01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:53.239
<v Speaker 3>he brought him up the day he was introduced. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he knows the assignment. But he didn't do himself any favors,

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<v Speaker 3>did he.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's already kind of worked himself into a corner,

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't he.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think if you're Mark Popener at Kentucky, you

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01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:09.159
<v Speaker 11>don't believe in corners, You don't believe in being backed

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<v Speaker 11>into a corner. You believe in being the top dog.

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<v Speaker 11>And he said that a couple days ago last week

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<v Speaker 11>with the presser about being the best with everything, you

1286
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.840
<v Speaker 11>already mentioned that. Uh, but yeah, I think I'm going

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<v Speaker 11>to hear for the rest of my life. We are

1288
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:26.239
<v Speaker 11>here to win banners and his loud, just booming voice

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<v Speaker 11>around ruughs. You know about a year and change ago

1290
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<v Speaker 11>and uh that that's something where you say that day

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<v Speaker 11>one and it's an expectation and so you have to

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01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 11>be held to that. And I think that's the thing

1293
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.359
<v Speaker 11>with BBN is they're going to wonder, so when is

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01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.680
<v Speaker 11>it going to happen? Yeah, you know when they're going

1295
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:43.760
<v Speaker 11>to have to see a year over year progression and

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<v Speaker 11>you know what one year is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 11>But it's interesting just his his next team. We're going

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<v Speaker 11>to compare it to this year's team, but it could

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01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.439
<v Speaker 11>be totally different. And I think that what we will

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<v Speaker 11>see with the transport line. This is why it's a

1302
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:01.439
<v Speaker 11>good thing is you can get high school crud saying

1303
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:05.479
<v Speaker 11>where you want, right but your portal guys, we you

1304
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 11>kind of already see who they're going to be, you know,

1305
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:10.880
<v Speaker 11>as far as who's going to come in. And I

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01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 11>think that uh, Mark is never going to be upset

1307
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.560
<v Speaker 11>about losing in a Caden Lewis to the portal. He's

1308
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:18.920
<v Speaker 11>never going to be upset about losing, you know, a

1309
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:23.079
<v Speaker 11>couple targets that you know, just didn't work out for him.

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01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.159
<v Speaker 11>He's onto the next one. He knows he has what

1311
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.000
<v Speaker 11>he has. And so someone said a lot there's a

1312
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:32.840
<v Speaker 11>reason he shakes Joe and Kelly Kraft's hand every he

1313
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.039
<v Speaker 11>walks out there. And you know, I just think, I

1314
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.039
<v Speaker 11>think we're about to see a lot of difference in

1315
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.960
<v Speaker 11>everything in you know, what what we how we look

1316
01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.319
<v Speaker 11>at this athletic and these athletic departments and how the

1317
01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 11>sports just based on what we're already already doing. They're

1318
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.439
<v Speaker 11>already looking at it differently. But I think that it's

1319
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:53.279
<v Speaker 11>it's we have to remember that these players are our

1320
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.560
<v Speaker 11>people and and even though they're getting paid money. I

1321
01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:59.359
<v Speaker 11>think that's what actually Pope's mentality maybe helps is he's

1322
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 11>not this he's not a fatino, he's not someone who's

1323
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.359
<v Speaker 11>super super vicious. Sometimes he kind of he kind of

1324
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.159
<v Speaker 11>is able to insulate these guys from the loud just

1325
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:14.159
<v Speaker 11>noise outside of where they practice and play. But when

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01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.960
<v Speaker 11>they see Rapperina, they understand and they you know, they

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01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:20.680
<v Speaker 11>respect it, and so that's why I think a guy

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01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.079
<v Speaker 11>like Trendo is a big deal this year. Brandon Garrison's

1329
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 11>a big deal. I think that, you know, I think

1330
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:28.920
<v Speaker 11>they might. I would I would say there's a good

1331
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.039
<v Speaker 11>seventy five percent chance of the yedt otego way back.

1332
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<v Speaker 11>I mean having him back. I mean there are guys

1333
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.239
<v Speaker 11>that are like, they're just world beaters this year. They

1334
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 11>are just world class. So it's it's an exciting time.

1335
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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk more with Forest Tucker on the other side

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<v Speaker 3>of the break here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back.

1337
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<v Speaker 3>We're talking with Forest Tucker of WTVQ Channel thirty six,

1338
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.560
<v Speaker 3>who has not been in the market all that long.

1339
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:57.159
<v Speaker 3>But you're you ingratiated yourself. Of course by covering horse races.

1340
01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:59.880
<v Speaker 3>You had to learn how to cover the sport. It's intimidating,

1341
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I know. But also you you either had to or

1342
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 3>got to cover the Kentucky Derby, and I wonder how

1343
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:09.479
<v Speaker 3>you because that is a tall task if you are

1344
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.079
<v Speaker 3>working and just going there, fighting the crowd is one thing,

1345
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:14.800
<v Speaker 3>but to work that event, and I've been to almost

1346
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:18.800
<v Speaker 3>fifty of them, yeah, it's it's it's a challenge, but

1347
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:19.680
<v Speaker 3>did you enjoy that?

1348
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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I enjoy I enjoy every challenge, Dick. I mean,

1349
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.039
<v Speaker 11>there's not a day you can wake up and you

1350
01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 11>can't be happy for what you do. If you're not,

1351
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.560
<v Speaker 11>if you don't have a zeal for it, I think

1352
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.359
<v Speaker 11>you need to stop doing it. I mean, it's just

1353
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.039
<v Speaker 11>like people who say they need to retire from being

1354
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:39.319
<v Speaker 11>a pro athlete. So, yeah, we were more methodical with

1355
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:41.760
<v Speaker 11>how we split things up this year, and that was

1356
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.239
<v Speaker 11>something that I had, you know, I wanted to make

1357
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 11>sure we had our needs met and that the needs

1358
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:48.399
<v Speaker 11>of you know, our management was met as well and

1359
01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:50.560
<v Speaker 11>what they wanted out of us, and so we were

1360
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.039
<v Speaker 11>able to execute well. And you know, it's tough. It's

1361
01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.119
<v Speaker 11>it's hard. I used to work mornings as a news reporter.

1362
01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 11>And when you get it at four thirty every morning,

1363
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.359
<v Speaker 11>which was two hours later than I would used to up.

1364
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.880
<v Speaker 11>You know, you're you're working ten hours from that point.

1365
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:04.800
<v Speaker 11>You know you're you're driving there, but you know, there's

1366
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:08.000
<v Speaker 11>an excitement that builds, and it's it's crazy to see

1367
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 11>your pronounced transform. You know, you you you see what

1368
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:14.680
<v Speaker 11>happens day in and day out from you know, about

1369
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.640
<v Speaker 11>five am to ten am. And it's just it's it's

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<v Speaker 11>it's a magical. It's a magical, beautiful Mark Poe word

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01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 11>right there, you know, just experience. It's just there's nothing

1372
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.359
<v Speaker 11>like it. I think what you want to do is

1373
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:31.880
<v Speaker 11>you want to be on the biggest stage you can.

1374
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:34.079
<v Speaker 11>You want to be at the event everybody's talking about.

1375
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.720
<v Speaker 11>And I made the most of it, which is great.

1376
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 11>You know, it's not about me, But I hope people

1377
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.039
<v Speaker 11>enjoy our coverage because that's what matters is that they

1378
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:42.920
<v Speaker 11>learned something, they were able to get something. I hope

1379
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.960
<v Speaker 11>they got a kick Outsy and Kenny Rice back on

1380
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.880
<v Speaker 11>our air for about three minutes and change on Everily

1381
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.079
<v Speaker 11>was Thursday, and and Kenny's great and I love him

1382
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:56.079
<v Speaker 11>and everything, but uh yeah, just it's it's a great spectacle.

1383
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:58.039
<v Speaker 11>We've had two years in a row of Derby doubles,

1384
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 11>Kenny McPeek last year, the God Dolphin team this year.

1385
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<v Speaker 11>And I think that makes it easy for people in

1386
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:05.800
<v Speaker 11>this day and age where we're talking about a lot

1387
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:09.920
<v Speaker 11>about crown, frequency of races, we're talking about a lot

1388
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:15.159
<v Speaker 11>of things related to just so many more things that

1389
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.039
<v Speaker 11>I that I kind of see as as issues and

1390
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.000
<v Speaker 11>touching points in the sport to have to have it

1391
01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:25.199
<v Speaker 11>easy to remember that a trainer won the Derby and

1392
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:27.720
<v Speaker 11>the Oaks last year and then an ownership group won

1393
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.319
<v Speaker 11>the Derby and the Oaks this year. It's good because

1394
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.640
<v Speaker 11>we're not getting in the weeds with things it's not

1395
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:37.359
<v Speaker 11>inside baseball, and it is hard to think about just

1396
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.920
<v Speaker 11>you know, everything that goes into the sport. I mean,

1397
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:43.319
<v Speaker 11>I'm still learning, I'm still thinking, you know, trying to

1398
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.680
<v Speaker 11>piece together stuff. But once you kind of catch the bug,

1399
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.920
<v Speaker 11>it's hard to not think about it and it's hard

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01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:51.560
<v Speaker 11>to not I was.

1401
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:52.039
<v Speaker 10>I was.

1402
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.840
<v Speaker 11>That race yesterday at Baltimore was crazy. So you know,

1403
01:16:57.640 --> 01:16:59.279
<v Speaker 11>there's a there is. This sport may be a little

1404
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:00.880
<v Speaker 11>bit of a cross road, but everyone has their own

1405
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.960
<v Speaker 11>opinion and they say it's been there before, so you

1406
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:05.880
<v Speaker 11>know that that's the next thing I'm just interested to

1407
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.680
<v Speaker 11>see about is that. And yeah, there's like like the Derby,

1408
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:12.479
<v Speaker 11>when you've done it once, you can kind of feel like,

1409
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:14.640
<v Speaker 11>you know, it's good to feel at ease in those moments.

1410
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:16.800
<v Speaker 11>You're like, ah, this is this is my element. So

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01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:19.279
<v Speaker 11>I love thriving in those environments. There's nothing like it.

1412
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, the good news is getting a chance to Chad

1413
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:24.199
<v Speaker 3>with the forest Tucker. But the bad news is you're

1414
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 3>leaving us. You're leaving the market, which happens all the time,

1415
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.800
<v Speaker 3>and TV young men and women get a chance to

1416
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:34.439
<v Speaker 3>move the bigger markets, you know, arguably better. But it's

1417
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.880
<v Speaker 3>what you make of it. And how long have you

1418
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:38.479
<v Speaker 3>been here in election? And what are going to be?

1419
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 3>What's going to be? Again the popular word? Your takeaway

1420
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:43.159
<v Speaker 3>from your time here?

1421
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<v Speaker 11>Two years? Dick Stanner two years? Deal Nothing that's crazy

1422
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:54.319
<v Speaker 11>or abnormal about that. But you know, I've never been

1423
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.119
<v Speaker 11>to Kentucky for I came here and I think that

1424
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.640
<v Speaker 11>you hear about BBN and you hear about Kentucky basketball.

1425
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:04.560
<v Speaker 11>And getting chances to cover cal for a year was

1426
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:08.079
<v Speaker 11>an underwhelming experience for a lot of reasons, and for

1427
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:10.239
<v Speaker 11>many people on the beat, it was an underwhelming year,

1428
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:12.840
<v Speaker 11>but you can't have every year be an amazing time.

1429
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:17.520
<v Speaker 11>And then covering Pope was certainly an exhilarating journey and

1430
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.520
<v Speaker 11>getting to kind of just see the transition and see

1431
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.239
<v Speaker 11>things was interesting. I think that there's no beast like

1432
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.239
<v Speaker 11>the fans of Kentucky basketball. It's them in Ohio State football,

1433
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.720
<v Speaker 11>and that's what's just kind of crazy to me is

1434
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 11>you know, you go across the country you see fan

1435
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.760
<v Speaker 11>bases and I think I'll probably be comparing fan bases

1436
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:40.000
<v Speaker 11>to beat me in for the rest of my life.

1437
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 11>And so that's what Lextington offers. It offers this interesting

1438
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 11>kind of people say, it's it's it's it's a cult.

1439
01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:52.520
<v Speaker 11>You know, it's like it's just crazy to see it

1440
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:56.119
<v Speaker 11>blew everywhere you go, and not just you know, visually,

1441
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:00.880
<v Speaker 11>but in every sense. So you know, I I will

1442
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.439
<v Speaker 11>say I hope that I would hope that they're more

1443
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:05.359
<v Speaker 11>Louisville fans out there, because it seems like in a

1444
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:07.880
<v Speaker 11>lot of ways it's a one side of rivalry and

1445
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:10.000
<v Speaker 11>you know that they're they're a minority of people in

1446
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:12.119
<v Speaker 11>the state are Louisville fans. I mean, I love to

1447
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.119
<v Speaker 11>see more Louisville fans. I love to see, you know,

1448
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:16.960
<v Speaker 11>a little bit more of their chests out with it

1449
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.319
<v Speaker 11>because nationally they're a very well known brand. But in

1450
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:21.720
<v Speaker 11>this state, you come here and they're kind of that,

1451
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 11>they're they're not kind of they are the and unless

1452
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.439
<v Speaker 11>you're the football team this year, they are you know,

1453
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:28.319
<v Speaker 11>their little brother.

1454
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, we've heard that term before and we'll

1455
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.720
<v Speaker 3>hear it again, but appreciate it man. Thank you Dick,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a good night from the garage and lexing.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a.

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<v Speaker 7>Who's giving them the business, such.

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<v Speaker 8>Tact sat down anything one can back out like a

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<v Speaker 8>tapers to tap inting donating to the
