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Speaker 2: One of the reflections I saw was actually interesting where

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they charted various issues across the political spectrum, and it

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helps to explain something interesting. And it looks back at

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the early two thousands through now and it says, where's

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the political right been through that period of time, And

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it's pretty much the same. I mean, the exception is

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Trump's more socially libertarian, but by and large, the issues,

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the economic issues, the role of government issues, those track

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pretty straight line down the chart two thousand and eight

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nine through now. And if you look at the moderates,

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the unaffiliated voters, and you look at where they've tracked,

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they've tracked kind of that way, but they've moved from

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two thousand and six on down to now they've tracked

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a little more left of where they started out. In

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other words, it wasn't a straight line, but it's kind

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of a slight left tilt. But the political left in

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this country from two thousand and eight, if you looked

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around two thousand and five eight, the political left and

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the moderates were much more closely aligned. But the left

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has moved much further left. I mean, the transgender issue

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would not have been a big deal back in two

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thousand and five six for the political left. The role

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of the border would not have been that divisive all

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of these issues. So if you wonder, and I will

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make this assertion and absolutely believe it, if I were

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to say, and whether you're on the left or right,

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who was more likely to stop being friends with someone

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because of their political beliefs. It's almost universal that the

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leftist who think they are the most tolerant, who think

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they are the most understanding, who think they're the most

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you know, profoundly intellectual people, are not. They're the ones

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most likely to have cut you off. They're also the

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ones most likely to have suggested you need to cut

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off your family members, that there's no hope for them. Now,

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let that sink in for a minute, because it illustrates

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a level of hypocrisy that you you don't often see

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in such vivid and stark terms when they believe that

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what's happened is that the people on the right have

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become more ignorant over time, and that they've just become

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they've had a hire, they've had some kind of epiphany

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of human understanding that makes them better than you. And

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here's I don't know any of my right leaning friends

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that have even remotely suggested that they want to cut

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off a family member because they have them to them.

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It's more of a humorous discussion. They talk about the

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fact that these family members of these friends have no

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tolerance for them. But they don't. There's no lack of

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they don't want to just they don't want to cut

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those people off. They've been cut off, but they're not

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the ones doing the cutting. And that it's irony, isn't

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it When when the people who tell you they're not

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going to talk to you because you may have supported

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Trump are the ones that, in the same breath will

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tell you that they are more tolerant and they ain't.

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They aren't. That says more about their mental state than yours,

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and that's one of the problems. So when you look

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at that spectrum, Democrats have shifted sharply leftwards on cultural

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issue in recent years, leaving the media and voters behind.

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And that's the Financial Times analysis of US General Social Survey.

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Financial Times is a graphic. They've got that average position

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of Americans who identify as strong Democrats and strong Republicans

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compared to the median voter, and Democrats have gone way

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to the left. I mean, they're out there on a limb.

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It's so bad. And if you are a Democrat and

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you're listening to the show, I'm not casting aspersions towards you.

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What I'm asking you to do is think about what

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I said. I'm not judging you. What I am saying

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is this is a good time to take stock of

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that and say, are you really tolerant? And if you

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are really tolerant, why would you have cut your friends off?

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You believe you're right about all these things, but you

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can't have a discussion without being emotional about it. I

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know many Christians who speak to their Unchristian friends and

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it's not hubris and anger and derision, and it's not

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that they think they're better than their friends. They want

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to share what they consider the glory of their belief

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system with someone. They want to share that. They want

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those people to be included in that. They don't want

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to push them away. But I guess if you're an

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earth worse shipping, you know, earth worshiping lefty that loves

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government and doesn't like gosh, see that sounds judge, he

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doesn't doesn't like freedom. I think the people on the

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left don't realize I believe this is my belief, that

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they don't realize that freedom is good. They think that

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ignorant people shouldn't have freedom. That if you're if you're educated,

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and you're I guess an elite, that you should have freedom.

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But all these ignorant people, maybe they shouldn't have freedom.

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If you voted for Trump, maybe those people don't deserve freedom. Remember,

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there are people on the political left in the climate

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change movement that think that if you're a denier and

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we'll talk about that tournam in a minute, if you're

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a denier, you should be in prison. They believe at

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the global level that the human threat to the planet

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is so great that people that don't buy into their

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narrative on the climate impacts and humans on it, that

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they should be allowed to imprison you and style you.

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They don't want to have the debate. Time for debate

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is over. It's time to put some bodies in jail cells.

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That's that's the terrifying part about the way these people

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don't recognize and whereas one of the great things, if

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they're so good, why not have those to bring the

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Richard Linzen in from MI. I t let him debate,

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Let him debate, Let the you know, not Pat Michaels

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who passed not too long ago. But let these people

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on both sides have this great debate. Let job ASTARTI

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who's a weather historian, who can go back and look

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at storm systems over the past one hundred years and

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show you patterns that turn makes storms stronger or less strong.

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Look at a climate, look at this these weather patterns.

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Let's talk about that. Is it substantial? Has it changed

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that much? Is it is there a that is there

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is Could it be the sun? Could it be just

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changes in the earth. And if it is some man

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made stuff and I know the left thing, oh yes

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it is, let's just say it. Is Is it enough?

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Is it destroying the planet, or is a greening planet good?

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In other words, isn't it maybe good that we're not

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going to have another ice age? Because imagine if we

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did for whatever reason, sunspot activity, whatever happened, because it's

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happened before, happened pretty recently. Actually, when Napoleon was marching

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on Moscow. I mentioned that the other day. So in

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the early eighteen hundreds, we had a little like the

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River Thames was frozen over. That wasn't the standard, that

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wasn't the norm. That was a freak of nature, horrifically

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cold period of time that lasted and persisted for a

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decade plus, quite like thirty forty years. We weren't better

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off then. A lot of people died because of that.

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But what if the Earth had another one of those

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oscillations or the sun or whatever cause that, if that happened,

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we wouldn't be better off, would we? Of course we

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wouldn't be. So that's that's the most serious problem. We

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can't have these debates anymore because the political left has

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gotten so far left. They're like, I'll stop space to

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your relatives, don't because you know and you hear this,

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and when they espouse these views It's sad that we

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can't have these conversations, isn't it. They don't want to

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be rational, then that's the irony of this elitism. These

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elite people aren't rational people anymore used to be.

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matter because I've got all new stuff to talk about now.

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You're welcome to be a part of the conversation chat

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of wbt's work there. Now, well, I was just reading

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through some jobs data, and this is the staggering part

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of this job's data. They've been down massive downward revisions

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of the jobs data that they remember they reported during

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that in quarter two jobs were created. Kamala was talking

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about jobs being created. The Biden miill, look, we've created

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all these jobs. It turns out they revised them that

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job as to me, gain of six hundred fifty three

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thousand was just a total fiction that actually lost eight

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hundred thousand jobs. They had initially reported six hundred and

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fifty three thousand job gains. It was actually negative. And furthermore,

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there was also a revision of eight hundred thousand jobs

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from last year that the data was completely falsified, a

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complete falsify it. See how I can remember, you know,

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during an Obama's term, they would they would have these

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great numbers and then the actual numbers would come out

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and they would be worse. All sorts of things, the economy, spending,

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consumer confidence also, it would be worse. And then when

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Trump was in alves and again this is this is

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completely you know my perspective on this, but I would

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remember they would say, oh, these numbers are gona be terrible,

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They're gonna be riblely, and then they would be better.

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The actual numbers were better, but you've got, you know,

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in the in the news media cycle, you get, you know,

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a couple of weeks of positive when a Democrat was

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in there, like Joe Biden, and a couple of weeks

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of negative if a Republican was in there. And this

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is by the same news media that are in free

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fault now. And then when when the actual numbers would

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come out, nobody really paid attention because it was in

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the past. Oh, well, the job numbers for Trump were

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actually a lot better. Oh the job nurse for Biden

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were actually a lot worse. But that's not the news story.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The people in the Twitter fear twittersphere and social media,

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Oh my gosh, you believe this, but that's you're not

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gonna hear. ABC come out and say, oh, by the way,

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those job numbers were a complete utter lie, and we

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didn't question it. We just accepted whatever they told us.

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And then the next question would be if it was

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done to you, the next question would be, wait a minute,

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why does this keep happening? Then you go back to

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them and say, you've done this four times. Now, why

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are they always revised?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing wrong that you can't read your

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own data? But do the news media do that? No?

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Does David Murr go out there and say no, he'll

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accuse you of spreading rumors about eating cats, but he

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will not care if eight hundred thousand American jobs didn't exist.

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Seems I don't know, like it would be relevant, like

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it would matter, like there would be something to it.

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But alas it is not true. But as I read

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these kind of reports, I'm the bid economy was not

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that great. It just wanted. You came out of government spending,

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you added another massive government spending bill, and then you thought,

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on the heels of the COVID spending the Inflation Reduction Act,

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that you were going to make things better. I don't

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know why we have to go down this road all

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the time. It doesn't All it did was it took inflation.

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And let's pretend inflation is a beautiful little fire that

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you're going to roast your marshmallows on, and you took

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five gallons of Inflation Reduction Act gasoline and you had

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dumped in on it all at once you get an

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earth shattering kaboom that would make Marvin marsh and proud.

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Meaning all you did was set inflation on fire. And

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you knew it. Anybody, anybody with a modicule of economic

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sense knew that it was not going to reduce inflation

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at all, was going it was going to set it

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on steroids. And all you're doing is hurting economic productivity

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and growth down the road. All of this spending, all

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of this has got to be covered and paid for

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with economic activity somewhere down the road. And we just

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big wheels, keep on rolling. And we just pushed the car.

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And you know what, we were pushing it downhill for

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many years, we're pushing it uphill. Now. It is a

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boat anchor on your kids. It's a boat anchor on

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those still in the workforce. And I think Americans realize that.

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I think there's a reality check now that you folks

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in DC have really kicked everyone's but all the way

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down the road. Everyone out there that owns a company,

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everyone that's well. I even think the workers get it now.

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The workers realize, hey, wait a minute, I gotta pay

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for this. I got I owe one hundred and seventy

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one thousand dollars. What are you talking about. I thought

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I had a debt for my mortgage. No, no, you

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have mortgage debt. You also owe your country and the

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spending proclivities of your friends in Congress another one hundred

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and seventy one thousand dollars, and just like that, Trump's

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in office. So and again, the rand Palls of the

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world were right the whole time the world were absolutely correct,

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and they have been. I mean, anybody that was trying

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to face the music on this stuff, they were right.

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And it's not going to be pretty. It's not going

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to be easy. It's not going to be but we

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have to do it, so we will and we shall.

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I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that the next couple of election

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overviews will be like that. Now I do want to

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get to and I think, I, well, we're going to

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start on this a little bit, because this is part

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of the part of our problem is not only do

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we have a spending problem. For the past fifty years,

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we've had a subsidy problem. I would maintain imagine. I

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said it earlier that one of the worst problems I've

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seen out there is that we as we'd love to

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subsidize everything. We think that somehow government throwing your money

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at something that you chose not to do or be

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a part of, you know, would make a profound difference.

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And I've always believed, well, not always probably I had

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about ten minutes right and believe this, and I said

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it's worth noting because I was looking at the renewable

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energy stuff, and we have these targets and everything's driven

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by you know, Greta Thunberg, and how somehow she's miraculously

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more stout than the rest of the planet on this stuff.

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That all of these green energy subsidies and green energy

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everything is good. It makes things better. But I would

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I would assert that renewable energy would be much further

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down the path of success, and it would be much cheaper,

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and it would accomplish far more if the government had

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stopped forcing it and subsidizing it. If the government had

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been forcing and subsidizing cell phones. Imagine if you would

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if they had said, we're gonna subsidize cell phones. We're

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gonna force we're gonna make everyone want to get everyone

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away from the previous the landline technology. We're going to

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force cell phones. We're gonna make everybody have a cell phone,

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we're gonna subsidize it. I really believe we'd still be

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using landlines, and we would still have a lot of bagphones.

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You remember those bagphones that use VHS batteries and the luggables.

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They're like three pounds. They had the green buttons and

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every time he hit a button he made a noise.

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The sunny Crockett had one in his Miami vice Daytona

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Ferrari or whatever. I think we wouldn't be much further

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down the road. So John, welcome to the show. How

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are you this afternoon? What's up?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Hey Chad? Once again, Hey, I appreciate your time. You're

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talking about economics there and throwing five gallons gasoling on

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the marshmallow the fire and how these people gain credibility.

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What I was looking to ask for you is a

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simple opinion. If we go back to Rush Limball days.

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He always loved to do an intro when he talked

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about a guy named Robert Wright.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he's still around, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Lunacy, the lunacy that just left us would dribble. But

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also then we recently was given amnesty in freedom. When

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Paul Krugman announced his retirement from The New York Times

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as a Nobel Kensian economy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, why on earth?

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Speaker 3: And you're opinion, do you think these guys and others

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liked them, gained traction and they're given credibility.

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Speaker 2: I think it's twofold, and I love the question. I

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think this is a beautiful question. I think it calls

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remember when Obama? Are you still with me? John? You're

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still there? Oh you'll You'll remember when Obama got elected

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and they awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize before he

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even got inaugurated the first time. That's kind of preemptive.

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He's going to bring about more peace and he didn't,

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but they award. That's what I'm saying that they, the

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media and these organizations, they they bestow upon people honors

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and privileges without accomplishment. It's the most non free market

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way of doing things. So they they bestow like Krugman

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won a Nobel Prize too, he won a Nobel Prize

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in economics. He was wrong, He's been wrong for thirty years.

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He was wrong about government spending and debt and deficits.

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He was wrong, and so is Reich.

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Speaker 4: Riich.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Reich is advising as of one out

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hour ago that the Democrats do not move to the center.

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I mean, he's been wrong for twenty five years too,

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Krugman recry, so he's still out there, Robert, right, I

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remember that. That's a great memory there, all right?

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Speaker 2: I'm astounded every day that we don't have Epstein's list

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public yet, and I blamed the medium. The media should

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be asking that question ad nauseam until it's public, and

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it is amazing that it isn't public. And you know,

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even the p Diddy stuff, do you really think we'll

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ever know how bad it was? I want to believe

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we will, but I'm not sure. I mean, this whole

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pedo mentality of the Hollywood left while lecturing us about yeah,

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modesty and propriety, I mean, just is astounding. Now looking

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at Krugman and Robert Reich and the rest of these

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Austrian economic types, it you've got to realize that their

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mentality is this. So Austrian economics essentially asserts that governments

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reach a point in size where they, through their spending

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and borrowing, are the ones that make or break economies,

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That they make economies better through their spending and borrowing.

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in our country since you know, I guess the sixties

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post Kennedy is that we just barred our way and

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spent our way into oblivion. And the Austrian so Krugman

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wins a Nobel, and Robert Reich, you know, continues to

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run around making assertions that are wrong. We know that

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that doesn't work, we know we've limped by. But to

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put tend that that thirty eight billion, here's the thing.

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You have to have the pretense that the thirty eight

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billion is irrelevant. You have to go through life and

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you have to say you know what, all the borrowing

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doesn't matter. The government will never default under the American public,

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but that borrowing just borrow forever, and there are no

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consequences to the borrowing forever. And it's boring and it's

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not sexy. It's kind of like climate chase. It's not

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a sexy topic to push back on that narrative. It's

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not a sexy topic to push back on government borrowing.

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People will fall asleep, they're run off the road, they'll

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turn their radios off, they'll flip to another station, they'll

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watch the Kardashians before they'll ever listen to something economically

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about this being bad. It's far sexier to say, hey,

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borrow another trillion and give it to a bunch of

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people who want to study cats on treadmills. That's cool.

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Give it to people who want to buy monkeys, and

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give it to the underprivilege. Whatever, whatever moon brain crazy

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idea you can come up with. If you can just

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fund that with borrowed money, it's very news. Look at

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this amazing new facility where people can live suspended from

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tree branches and be very green, and it's all funded

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with some grant and that sounds cool. The consequences are

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the reason and and the individuals who ask earlier, who

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had said, you know, Chad, why don't they ever do that?

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When John had called in and asked that, why don't

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we ever? Why do they continue to having some kind

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of notariety because they never have to live with consequences.

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One thing about a kind of a Christian conservative mentality

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is there are consequences to your actions. You there are

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when you do something, there are We know that even

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if there's not consequences here, there's consequences later on, you know,

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at the end of that life, after their their consequences.

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And I think the left doesn't really they don't. The

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only the only consequential bad actors are conservatives because everything

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they want is about responsibility. Now, from a financial standpoint

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and economic standpoint, you have to assume some responsibility for

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things that are happening in your life, regardless of what

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happened to you. You can't blame everything in your life

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and what happened in the past. Not only that, it's

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even worse, you can't blame everything that's happening in your

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life on generational pasts. Things that happen generations and generations

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and generations ago. You can't. There's nothing, there's nothing of

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worth to U as an individual that comes from that mentality.

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But it sounds good to say you're a victim. You're

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the victim, and thus anything that happens to you isn't

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really your fault. You're overweight, not your fault. It's because

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of all these processed foods have been shoved down your

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throat and forced you to need them. You're a violent

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person that steals from people. Not your fault. It's horrible

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things that happened to you when you were young. It's

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you know, hey, you didn't get that job. Not your fault.

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It's because somebody with privilege moved to the front of

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the line. Nothing is. And again that sounds very heartless,

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doesn't it. It's easy to make conservatives sound heartless. The

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truth of the matter is hard work, hard work. I mean, look,

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it's easy for me, as a fifty plus year old dude,

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I can gain weight. Yeah. Not easy is to gain weight.

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It's so easy. You don't even have to really do

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a whole lot. You just show up, you eat, and

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don't do very much. You can gain weight. It's hard

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work not to not gain weight for some people. For

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a lot of people, apparently many people. I can sit

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there and blame the food industry. I can blame the restaurants,

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I can blame I can blame late night TV. I

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can blame I don't know, I saw a commercial for

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a fast food I want to go get. I can

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blame everybody, But ultimately, it's the guy that's crawling on

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that scale that won't put down that whatever pe can

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pie at Christmas. That's the guy who's to blame. It's

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not the pie's fault. And that's where I think our

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society likes these people that tell you it's not your fault.

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It's this confirmation by saying, you know what, Robert Riich says,

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we should keep borrowing. You know what that means, I

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can fund all my liberal goodie two shoe projects. And

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you know what, this other guy is not just krugnant

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where Robert Riich says all say it, I'm gonna fund him.

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And there's no consequences. Why because by the time I'm

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out of office, it won't matter. Not on me, it's

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on someone else, someone else's problem. But it's opm baby,

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it's other people's money. And that's the problem with all

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of this is it's other people's money, and it's easy

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to do that, but they have credibility. Obama gets a

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peace Prize by getting elected. Looking in retrospect, I think

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history is not going to look favorably on Obama. He

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didn't make race relations better, they got worse. He didn't

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make the economy better, got worse. The ACA will not

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be remembered as this great thing. It was a massive

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spending problem project that didn't do anything to improve healthcare

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in this country. You can say, well, twenty million people

477
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now have healthcare. No, they have a subsidized insurance product.

478
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They don't necessarily have better access to healthcare because there

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aren't as many access points to healthcare as there were.

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It's heavily bureaucratized. But these people are wildly popular, although

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I think Obama was probably the biggest loser last year. Joe,

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thank you for holding through the break there or right

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when the break started, so I appreciate you holding. Welcome

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to the show. Merry Christmas to.

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Speaker 4: You, Merry Christmas to you, and a happy New Year.

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And I was listening to your money low get your

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your talk about the destinately liberal views and what conservatives

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think about and how we should be and the things

489
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we should forget and let gones be bygones. But what

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did this country started by? Wait?

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, I just want to correct one thing, Joe.

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I didn't say let bygones be guyed bygones. I said

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accepting personal responsibility and not blaming the past. The past

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is what it is. History records it good, bad, and

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indifferent and ugly. And we're a country that I have

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said many times we had We've made a lot of

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mistakes in this country, but I keep going up because

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the rest of.

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Speaker 4: It I like, so keep going okay, because being one

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whose family normally have ever stated that we needed to

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blame someone else for our actions, because I was raised

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up my help and hand was at the end of

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my own arm. And so with that being said, who

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we still believe in atonement, retribution and uh uh, the

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ability to be accountable because those that benefit from those

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things are contributors to the Well, let's just now hold

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hands and let's don't have any sense of retribution like

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our ancestors in Europe because they were killing each other

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right and left over there that Irish didn't didn't like

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somebody in there, and and and all of that and

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so all that was brought over here, and everything happened

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through violence. But but now that the the the spoil

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have been sort of resourced out of many of the

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hands they originated from, now we need to hold hands

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and let's just don't don't think about that stuff back there.

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Speaker 2: And Joe, I think I think we need we need

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to learn from I think we are and have learned

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a great deal from that. And what I'm trying to

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ask is, Okay, all of do you and I would

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agree that horrible things have happened at the hands of

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other people that weren't you, by the way, and weren't me,

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by the way. But you're saying that there's some kind

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of generational advantage that was bestowed upon people because of

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the evils of the past. And I'm not trying to

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make fun of you. I'm trying to say, is that what.

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Speaker 4: You're saying, Well, let's think of a couple of names, Hilton,

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Vanderbilt and some of the others that utilized those things. Morgan, Chase,

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JP Morgan. I don't think that they were necessarily fair

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in all their dealings, and generational things have been passed down.

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And with that being said, where's the accountability. Where's the

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retribution and where are the things that we as Americans,

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you know, we take We don't go begging and groveling

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for things that were taken from We take back. And

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so where's that spirit of America?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we earned back. I think you would

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look at z Smith Reynolds as one of those with

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the tobacco legacy. We look at Kennedy and the bootlegging.

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I mean, look at the Kennedy clan. I'm not trying

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to say that one is better than the other, okay,

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but I'm saying, do you you know the Kennedy's were

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one of those families. Even Bill Gates with the building

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of the Microsoft Empire, what he's done since then with

543
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that money. A lot of people on the right don't

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like him because of the vaccine stuff and the human

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population stuff in the world one World government stuff. So

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I you know, these are Jeff bezos. You would say

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that dude's an uber rich dude along with Elon Musk.

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Is that the generational wealth because the Vanderbilts had largely

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squandered that wealth, and it's I mean the series and

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robut clan that's gone, the kmart Klan they're kind of

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you know, it is cyclical, and it doesn't seem to

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stick around forever. Vanderbilt's not what it was. Would you agree?

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Speaker 4: I would say, if we just do a little bit

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of research, we would see that they're doing just fine.

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But I'm not going to cherry pick history. What I

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that's what you were talking about, making sure that we

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as those former dixiecrets that were down here in the

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South and how they treated their neighbor, which wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Very kind and Christian, very Unchristians.

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Speaker 4: And Christians Christians in Europe brought that same basteralization of

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the Word of God over here to America, and now

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we have the fire and brimstone, and how we treat

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people over here and we call ourselves Christians, but they're

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not very nice ways.

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Speaker 2: Joe, I would say this one. I think that the

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the treatment of Christians globally right now is in decline.

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You would have if you look at the nine hundred

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thousand Christians got killed, I think, and just in Syria

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alone the past thirty years. So it's in Europe right now.

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There certainly is a realignment taking place, a very anti

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Christian movement taking place in money countries. Which is creating

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a lot of strife over there. This is never we

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are not I have also said throughout this broad not

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this particular one, but over the course of the past week,

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that you know, it's amazing to me we're not worse

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off because there are natural inclinations of human beings that

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are horrific in nature. Everyone has these unfortunately horrible thoughts

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and stuff, and I'm astounded we're not worse because it

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does take kind of a Judeo set of values to

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say when you're doing right, when you're doing wrong, and

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we all have a personal responsibility to try to ensure

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that we don't do those kind of things. I think

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you would agree with that. It sounds like you have

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that same perspective.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll just leave with this and I will say

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that Christians have taught the world very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Lessons, Okay, I have, Joe, I appreciate that. I would

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say that Judeo Christian values are timeless. I think that

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the actions of Christians in many ways, or people that

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proclaim that, can be as horrific as any as any group.

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I mean, Jonestown massacre was allegedly a Christian group, and

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that was one of the worst human trag but the

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inherent good that is also within mankind. I mean Christians

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were persecuted the early Church. I don't want to get

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into this. This could be we could spend like days

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on this and it would be a fascinating study. You

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could say, you know, the Crusades and what they happen

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to do over in that part of the world is

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a legacy that lasted. Persists of this stay in the

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Middle East, what happened. But I digress. I still believe

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that those judaeo values, the country was founded on them.

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It also means that we do make mistakes. There is atonement.

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There's a lot of personal atonement. Generational atonement is very

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old Testament, the original sin. Women need to be punished

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for generational sin that. I think the New Testament eradicated

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all of that. I believe that strongly, and we have

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an obligation to our fellow man. I think it's a

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lot of what Christendom is to me. It doesn't mean

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that humanity was perfect. It doesn't mean that sins of

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the past don't exist. It means that we have a

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personal obligation to live a life as best we can.

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Two in that image, so I think Joe and I

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would agree on more than we disagree on. But looking backwards,

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history isn't pretty. And you know what, one hundred years now,

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when we look back on this period of history, you're

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still going to say it wasn't pretty. And it's unfortunate

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that the way we are now. Having said that, I

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want to thank you for being a part of the

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broadcast today. There was obviously, you know, we cover a

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lot of territory here and I'm very proud of it.

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And I did want to say I promised this at

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the beginning of the show, and I don't know that

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I get to it, because I got about a minute

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and a half. But there is a group of archaeologists

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that have recently uncovered a sarcophagus under Saint Nicholas Church

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in Turkey that they hope to tie to Saint Nicholas himself,

627
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the inspiration behind the legendary figure of Santa Claus. The

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church site, originally constructed in five twenty a d, was

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said to have been built on or near the burial

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site of Saint Nicholas, who once served as the Bishop

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of mRNA or Myra and died in three point forty

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three a d. Which is now dem Ray Turkey. Excavations

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at the church have been ongoing since nineteen eighty nine

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and continued to yield new artifacts, but none has been

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more exciting than finding the sartaphica sarcophagus in the church's

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two story annex that experts believe could be that of St. Nicholas. So,

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I mean, it's an interesting story that happens to come

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out right now of all times. But we may soon

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know if that is true, so we'll find out. There's

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much more to the story, but that's the short version

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of it, and it seems to that he was buried

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near that sacred area. The fact that we found a

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sarcophagist near the church, which is thought the houses too,

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may indicate indeed the area they've been searching for. This

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was popular Popular Mechanics today was published.

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Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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648
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649
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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.