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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can

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Be Serious podcasts, Ladies and Gentlemen. Last episode, Jason and

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I talked about what we were doing summer of eighty six. Jason,

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do you know what David Coverdale was doing? Summer of

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eighty six?

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Speaker 3: David Coverdale was pushing his broken down white Jaguar out

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of the middle of an intersection in Los Angeles. He

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had five dollars to his name and a condiment his wallet,

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and that's it.

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Speaker 2: He was on his first date with a lady he

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would later marry, who at the time had no idea

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who he was or who White Snake was.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the lovely iconic Tanny Katana.

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Speaker 1: Time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, we are here for the beginning of our

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Summer of eighty seven series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna spend about, I don't know, six or

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seven weeks in the summer of nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: I love the summer of nineteen eighty seven. I can

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remember MTV and going down into the pool and checking

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out the girls whose clothes seem to fit a lot

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better to me at that age.

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Speaker 3: All right, Di, I know you're a golfer. Sure, when

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you hit the ball and it goes in the rough,

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it's hard to see.

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Speaker 2: It is so hard to find.

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Speaker 3: It's not cool when it's in the rough.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants a bunch of rough around there.

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Speaker 3: You want it in the fair way and you want

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it cleaned up so you can see the ball at

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all times.

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Speaker 2: Right, the smoother it is, the easier it is to see.

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more comfortable about heading south of the border and taking

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care of the unsightly rough that is, hiding your balls.

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Speaker 3: Take care of your rough fellas, it's just the right

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Speaker 2: Guys. Don't forget it's easier to see a giraffe on

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the plane than it is in the forest.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's good. Summer of nineteen eighty seven was thirty

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five years ago. De It's hard to believe it's been

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that long. So man, here's what we've got on the

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docket coming up. Okay, so we've got a history of

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White Snake. Then we're going to go track my track

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through White Snake's nineteen eighty seven album, probably their best

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known album. Then we're gonna do Motley Cruez Girls, Girls Girls.

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These two bands toured together on the same bill. I

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was not allowed to go that was Shucker. Yeah, parents

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said no to that one. And then after that, we're

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going to do RoboCop versus Predator. Okay, two awesome Summer Blockbusters,

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and then we're gonna get together with the guys from

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the Film by podcast and we are going to break

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down Superman four versus Jaws The Revenge. Both came out

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the summer of eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: They were the highlight of the summer.

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Speaker 3: Some of the worst movies of the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Yeap. So before we get going on the second episode,

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speaking of guests hosts, we have a new executive producer,

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mister David Wright, who you will listener remember from our

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Raising Hell versus Licensed to Ill Combo.

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Speaker 3: It was an incredible four partor with Dave's help, Maan.

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Dave was like Professor easy Rock right there.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how he's gonna feel about being the executive

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producer on a hair metal album.

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Speaker 3: Dave, thank you very much. Dave's a good friend of ours. Dave,

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We appreciate it. He texted us this week and said, oh, no,

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I've done a thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guy, let's jump into the history of White Snake.

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Speaker 3: History of White Snake.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you might imagine, we've got to start with

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David Coverdale.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where I'm going, but us sum of yes,

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he's the only constant in White Snake over the years.

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Speaker 2: He is now. He was born in fifty one. He

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was with a few bands when he became a teenager.

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He was with a band called Vinted sixty seven in

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sixty six and sixty eight. He was in the government

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through seventy two, and then he was with a band

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called the Fabulos of Brothers in seventy two and seventy three.

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And then in nineteen seventy three he's reading his Melody

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Maker magazine and he sees an article that says Deep

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Purple is auditioning singers because Ian Gillian has left the band.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible.

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Speaker 2: So when he was with the government, they and Deep

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Purple had shared the same bill, and so he was like, oh,

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I know those guys, and I would love to sing

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for that band. So he sends in a tape and

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a little later on they audition him, and in nineteen

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seventy three he becomes the lead singer of Deep Purple.

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Speaker 3: No I heard he was selling shoes. He goes from

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shoe salesman to lead singer of Deep Purple at twenty

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Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good step up right there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, And if you don't know Deep Purple, you

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probably know My Woman from Tokyo or the infamous famous

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Smoke on the water on the water. Sure, yeah, but

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David Coverdale came along after those songs, but he was

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still a good singer for the band. In seventy four,

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they came out with Burn, which went gold.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 2: They played at the California Jam in front of two

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hundred thousand fans. They had another album that year called

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Stormbringer that also was gold. And then in seventy five,

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Richie Blackmore, the guitarist, leaves you've got your original lead

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singer gone and your lead guitarist. You probably have lost

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what would most would consider the heart of the band.

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But David Coverdale pleads with the other members of the

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band and he's like, I know this American guitarist named

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Tommy Bolan. I think he can bring us back to

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where we need to be. And so with Tommy Bolan

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they came out with Come Taste the Band in nineteen

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Speaker 3: There is no sexual connotation with that, I'm quite sure,

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oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And in nineteen seventy six they had kind of a

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lackluster tour because of that, that album was not well

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received and by the end of seventy six, end of

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the tour, Coverdale walks off the stage in tears and

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resigns from the band, but he was told there was

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no band to resign from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was over at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other band members had decided, well before, we're

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not going to be banned after this. They just didn't

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tell David.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what he did in nineteen seventy seven is he

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released a solo album and that solo album was called

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White Snake. Now, I wonder why he called it white Snake.

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Do you happen to know this joke? I do know

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this hit me hip. Okay, you don't know why it's caught? No,

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I have no idea. Tell me.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what he has said. Okay, okay, this band

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name is named after his own penis.

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Speaker 2: I expect that that was what the answer was. Like

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I've always assumed that that's what the answer was, but

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thank you for confirming. I appreciate that. So in seventy

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eight he had another solo album called North Winds, and

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then shortly after that he puts together the band that

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would be White Snake. Now other than unlike the album,

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white Snake is combined to be one word, and he

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puts together this band with Mickey Moody and Bernie Marston. Yes,

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Bernie Marston is important. You know why.

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Speaker 3: Bernie Marston is the guy who helps him rite the

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song Here I Go Again.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and also ful for Your Loving. So several hits

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for White Snake in their early days are Bernie Marston influenced,

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and their first album is an EP called the Snake

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Bite EP. So I wonder what snake bite would mean

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in that scenario. I'm sure. No, all right, And at

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this point I got to pass it to my friend.

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I'm fading back. I'm doing the long pass. Can you

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tell me the discography of White Snake from then on?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Yes I can, and following with me the chart

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history for these okay, okay, you can watch the success

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start to happen. So in nineteen seventy eight, like you said,

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they have their first album come out as White Snake,

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and it's called Trouble. It goes to number fifty in

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the UK. Okay, not bad didn't chart in the US?

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in nineteen seventy nine, you have the album that comes

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out it's called love Hunter, that goes to number twenty

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nine in the UK chart in the US, no it

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Then in nineteen eight you have a album called Ready

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and Willing. This goes to number six in the UK.

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Couldn't chart, It did all right, number ninety in the US.

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Speaker 2: Wow, ninety.

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Speaker 3: Now this one is a little bit of note because

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it has the song full for Your Lover for your

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no More. That song was re released the fall of

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nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 4: It was a big hit for them on the slip

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of the Tongue album.

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Speaker 3: Yep, trying to kind of rea do the success of

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eighty seven, all right. Then in nineteen eighty one they

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have an album called Come and Get It. It goes

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to number two in the UK. It does not chart

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in the US.

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Speaker 2: No, you've anticipated my question there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And at this point they're financially in debt. They're

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selling albums, huh, but they are going lower and lower

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into debt. Okay, Albums cost money, they do, they do,

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and tours cost money, all right, now, then stay with me.

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In nineteen eighty two they released the album called Saints

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and Sinners. On this album you have the song here

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I Go Again and Crying in the Rain. Okay, they

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sound bluesier and not as tight definitely. And we're going

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to talk about what John Klaudner thought about these but

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this goes to number nine in the UK, does not

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chart in the US. Okay, And at this point now

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we need to segue into the story of John Klaudner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So John Kalodner started as a photographer and a writer.

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He was doing he was going to concerts and taking

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pictures and writing music articles for different magazines, and then

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he gets hired for Atlantic Records to do the same thing. Okay,

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And one day they're having a big meeting and the

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president of Atlantic Records says, Okay, I need an A

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and R guy, and Kallaudner's like, I would like to

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Speaker 3: Penis they do that job?

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Speaker 2: So John Kladner says, well, I'm actually really good at

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figuring out what's going to be a hit song and

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what's not going to be a hit song. Right. The

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president is like, Okay, I'm gonna let you give it

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a try, but you've got to bring your own tape player.

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You've got to bring your reel to reel, and you've

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got to listen to every cassette that gets submitted. And

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he's like, okay, you did not listen to every cassette

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that got submitted because he they would. I mean, just

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think about it. People are sending in demos multiple sources

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all day long. So he his little filter system was

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he would pick the ones from music attorneys. He figured

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if the band was savvy enough to get an attorney,

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that they were probably going to have such a decent product.

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it on, then it probably is another indicator that it's good.

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And so that's how he discovered a lot of his

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folks that's interesting. And so then he does that for

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a while. For Atlantic Records. He continues to kind of

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freelance on the weekends doing the photography and the writing

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for those journals. Then in nineteen eighty he gets a

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call from mister David Geffen to come join him and

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be the Geffen Records A and R man.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Now do you know what A and R stands for?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Only because we googled it about ten minutes ago. I

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just we came in today and we're like, Klunder's an arm.

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Speaker 2: What is a A and R stand for? What is it? Okay? Guest?

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Do you know? Would you like to venture your guests? Now?

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What is an R? Okay? Good?

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Speaker 3: Guess here's the real answer. A and R means artists

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and repertoire. His job was to find new artists and

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acquire them for the label.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he is the A and R man for

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Geffen Records. Yes, when he walks in the door, he says,

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mister Geffen, thanks for the hire. I think that we

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should hire Sammy Hagar yep. I think that we should

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hire Phil Collins yep. And I'm excited to work with Aerosmith. Yes,

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and Geffen's like, I like those suggestions, but we're not

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going with Phil Collins. We're going with Peter Gabriel. Sir,

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I think that Phil Collins is going to be better

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now we're going to go with Peter Gabriel.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to blame Geffen too much on that because

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Peter Gabriel did have some success in the eighties, I

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mean very much success.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he kept Danger Zone out of the top spot. Yes,

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he did, which is a miracle in in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that last week. But my gosh, Phil

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Collins had a humongous nineteen eighties and nineties. For that matter,

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I was going to tell you I recognized John Kalodner

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once we started looking into this, and when I googled him,

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I looked at his face. I'm like, oh my gosh,

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that's the guy from the Aerosmith videos. He had a

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lot to do with Arismith's rebirth in like nineteen eighty

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seven the Permanent Vacation Tour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go back and check out our Aras episode. We

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talk about how Tim Collins is that his name, the

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guy that kind of helped them get off drugs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Kladner was another major factor in that process of getting

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those guys clean.

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Speaker 3: Kladner is the guy dressed in a wedding dress and

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the dude looks like a lady video.

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Speaker 2: Now everybody knows who we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: That big lung, scraggy beard. It's kind of a weird

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looking dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in a wedding dress. Yes, okay, so Kladner

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Ultimately round eighty two, here's this album that White Snake

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has put out that has these songs on it, including

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Here I Go Again. And he thinks to himself, this

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is a hit song. He calls David Coverdale. He's like,

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you got a hit song, but it was badly recorded

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and it was badly played.

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Speaker 5: A blood cutting man when he's burning with a fever,

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a strand of house, when he's lonely in the night.

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Speaker 2: You need a better band. You got a mediocre band,

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and you need a better producer. He's a nice guy,

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he's not a good producer, yep. So he hooks David

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Coverdale up with a new guy and gets rid of

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everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all like his best friends. Gotta let

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him go, dude, if you want to make it to

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the big time, you gotta dump all these guys.

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Speaker 2: So Kalladner has this guy who he's seen playing with

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Thin Lizzie, and his name is John Sykes. Yes, John

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had been with Thin Lizzie and another band, but he

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had a good look and he had a great ability

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with music and lyrics, and so he thought, I'm gonna

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get this guy together with Coverdale and we're gonna have

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the magic duo, just like bon Jovi.

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Speaker 3: John Sykes is like a guitar guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is an exceptional guitarist and he just has

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I mean, there are guys who play well, there are

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guys who write good music, and there are guys who

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play well and write good music, and John Pskes is

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one of them. And he is a huge, huge factor

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on why this album is so good. Yes, which is

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interesting given what we find out later on.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So the producer that John Kladner says we need to

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have come in is this guy named Mike Stone. Now,

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Mike Stone is another icon in the field. Kallawdner is

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he does not pick losers, right right, So he picks

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up this guy named Mike Stone who had gotten his

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start as an assistant engineer in Abbey Road Studios working

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with the Beatles. So not a bad out of the

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gate start start. Yeah. So he goes on to work

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with Foreigner on multiple albums, Journey on multiple albums, Asia

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on multiple albums, and Queen on multiple albums and hold

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on for the for the big hit ready. Yeah, he

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was the engineer behind Bohemian Rhapsody.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible Mike Stone. I do think it's interesting that

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anytime Kaladner brings him up. Yeah, he's like genius drinker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he died from drinking, so a bit of

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a drinker, which is tragic because he was an amazing

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sound engineer. So apparently with Mike Stone and John Sykes

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they lay down some amazing tracks. But then we started

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running in some trouble.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's back up for a second. So in

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nineteen eighty four, Coverdale and Sykes come out with an

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album called Slide It In? Right, Are you familiar Slide

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it In a little bit? Okay? I feel like I'm

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one of the first people that I knew that was

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familiar with Whitesnak because there was a guy on my

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bus who had, in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Six, my school bus.

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Speaker 3: On my school bus, he had a Walkman tape player

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and he would listen to Slide It In all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's like a scene out of a movie man, right, And.

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Speaker 3: So he would let me listen and we would listen

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to Slide it In and slow and easy and love

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ain't no stranger. So I was just say slow and

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easy again, slow and easy, let's listen to it real quick.

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I freaking love that song, dude. That's such a good song.

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It's awesome. A quick side story about sliding in. Yeah,

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a few years ago, my wife made a video to

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be played in church regarding a women's retreat that she

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had just attended. Okay, and this is kind of funny

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because I know some women in my church listened to

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this podcast. But while she wasn't looking, I replaced the

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you know the Zoe Girl musical track with Slide it In,

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and it became the funniest thing we've ever watched. So

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the next day, when we played it in church, I

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checked it about fifteen times to make sure that I

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had corrected that.

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Speaker 2: The sec please don't be slighted in Oh my god,

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that would have been a much better story, but I

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was not about to let that happen.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, classic So I love sliding in, great out and

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that's with Sykes. Okay, Now in nineteen eighty four, that

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actually makes it to number forty in the US. They've

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get some videos, they've got some momentum, but they still

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haven't broken through in the US.

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Speaker 2: Poised for success, poise for success.

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Speaker 3: So Claudner's like, you guys, go to the South of France,

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write your follow up. This is the spring of nineteen

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eighty five, Right, go write some songs. Let's get this

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album pumped out. It's time nineteen eighty five. We're gonna

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take America by storm.

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Speaker 2: The iron is hot, strike it now, nineteen eighty five.

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But right, so with Mike Stone, they laid down these tracks,

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right and the music is great. You've got John Syke's

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playing guitar, who, as you mentioned, thunder genius.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So they've got Mike Stone and they've got the band. Now,

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the band is a little bit different than it was

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for Slid It In.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's definitely different. Coverdale basically fired everybody. Was

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persuaded to keep Sykes and Neil Murray right. He went

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to Geffen and said, I want to fire everybody.

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Speaker 2: Sykes had come in to take over for Mickey Moody,

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who would.

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Speaker 3: Left right on Slide It In, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: And then who was the drummer?

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Speaker 3: You had Cozy Powell, okay, which is very well respected drummer.

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In fact, Coverdale actually has said the nineteen eighty seven

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album was written with Cozy Powell's drum beats in mind.

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Made him an offer which he thought was fair. Cozy

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Powell thought it was no good, so he said.

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Speaker 2: Screw you.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to screw you guys. I'm out of here.

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And Coverdale said sadly that cost him millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean if he was offering him a

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percentage plus a salary, sure, yeah, I mean, but again,

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I can see how in that position, you'd be like, well,

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I don't really know. You have no idea that the

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nineteen eighty seven album is going to be the success

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that it is.

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Speaker 3: We just finished up our most successful album we've ever had,

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and we're three million bucks in debt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so part of the debt that we're going

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to talk about later on is due to the production

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of this album. That's right, of the nineteen eighty seven album. Right,

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But so they replace Cozy Powell with Journey drummer Ainsley Dunbar. Yes,

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it's not too that's not a bad trade. Yes, I mean,

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Ainsley Dunsbar is pretty freaking awesome honestly.

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Speaker 3: By the way. Yeah, something I didn't know about Ainsley Dunbar,

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which James Buckley or Shirley friend pointed out to me.

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Speaker 2: Number one Patreon subscriber, mister Buckley.

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Speaker 3: We love we love James. He's a freak Zappa guy.

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Go back to our Toto episode where Steve Luca Third

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tried to join the Zappa band, right and was humiliated

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in front of everybody and scared off and all that stuff. Yeah,

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James Buckley was just telling me that he admired Ainsley

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Dunbar and was a former Zappa guy.

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Speaker 2: Right, So James Buckley is a drummer for a band.

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Speaker 3: Hidden Tracks, Hidden Tracks, Yes, shout out to Hidden Tracks.

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Go see him at your local area bowling alley or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Are they playing a bowling all? I don't know, James,

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if you were in Monroe, is it West Monroe or

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is it Mone?

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Speaker 3: It's Monroe. He was people aid the Shreamport the other day.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice. So he's all over the place down in Louisiana.

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Speaker 3: I totally. When he makes it to Dallas, will be there.

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Speaker 2: You just gather all that equipment, move over and we'll

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take a two hour air conditioned drive down to see you.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So for the eighty seven album, we've got Mike

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Stone engineering, We've got John Sykes and the guitar yep.

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We got Neil Murray on bass, yep, who is a carryover. Yes,

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we've got Ainsley dunns Bar on drums, who, again, great drummer,

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but not the drummer that they had had in mind

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when they made the album. Right, and they laid down

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some great musical tracks, yes, and then all that's left

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to do is put down the vocal tracks. Hey, that

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sounds pretty easy, right, right. I mean, we've got the

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guy who's been singing for the last twenty years and

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you know, used to sing for Deep Purple and is

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now you know, steadily moving up in popularity in the UK,

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now in the US. And so David, what do you got.

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Dave cannot sing. He can't sing, he can't this this

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00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:14,440
is the story. Okay.

471
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: He starts to lay down the vocals and he notices

472
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,000
that his voice is unusually nasally.

473
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: That's weird, it's just stuck in his bass.

474
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's off pitch.

475
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:25,759
Speaker 2: Uh huh huh.

476
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: So he's like, something's wrong with the studio. We got

477
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,599
to change studios, right, yeah, So they move from Vancouver

478
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:35,319
to the Bahamas where they're gonna lay down the vocals.

479
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: Better studio there.

480
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,079
Speaker 3: I work better in the Bahamas personally, Well it was.

481
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,720
It worked for ac DC, right and the police. Yeah, yeah,

482
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,880
was that Jamaica. I can't.

483
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: I mean Caribbean, Caribbean, it's all the same.

484
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: I work better in the Caribbean as well.

485
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,319
Speaker 2: You mean too, we should move the Shirley studios down

486
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,359
to the Caribbean so we sound a little bit better.

487
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,319
Speaker 3: But it's just not working for him, right, right, so

488
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,480
he goes and sees a doctor.

489
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah. So yeah. John Klaudner's like, okay, they're

490
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:06,920
in California now, you know, right just down the street

491
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,119
is Sugarman. He is the greatest e n T in

492
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359
the world. Let's go see what he has to say.

493
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,160
He needs an operation for his septum. Septum. So anytime

494
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,480
you say rock and roll and septum, you're either going

495
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,200
to talk about a nose job or you're going to

496
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:22,759
talk about the white powder.

497
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: David Coverdelle says, every time he mentioned his nasal surgery,

498
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,119
millions of people made invisible spooning motions to their nose.

499
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,279
And he swears that's not the case. But I don't

500
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,759
believe it. Hey man, it was called the liar.

501
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't know him, Okay, okay, but yeah, he is

502
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,880
in the he is in a hard rock band in

503
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,839
the middle of the eighties. It was kind of the

504
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,319
thing to do.

505
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:43,839
Speaker 3: Okay.

506
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: So he gets his nasal surgery and still is taken

507
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,319
a while to get something else.

508
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: Six months of rehab.

509
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: John Claudner talks about this and he's really like, he

510
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:56,920
doesn't outright say it, but you can tell he thinks

511
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,559
it's he thinks it's psychological. Yeah, and so desikes, yeah,

512
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,160
that being that what it is, you know, psychological. Whether

513
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,400
that's a valid excuse or not. As an entirely separate story,

514
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,119
but the case is, the man is not singing the songs, right,

515
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:12,480
So what's John Sykes do it?

516
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,559
Speaker 3: So John Sykes is like, he knows what he's got, right,

517
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,480
I've got twelve fantastic songs.

518
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

519
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,759
Speaker 3: He goes to Mike Stone, who has a good relationship

520
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:24,039
with He's like, we might need to find ourselves a

521
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,359
new singer. We might need to fire David Coverdale from

522
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,920
White Snake, right, And that's not okay. David Coverdale does

523
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,319
not like that idea at all.

524
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's just be real here. He's the

525
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,440
only guy who's been consistently in the band. I mean,

526
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,880
the band's original name was David Coverdale and White Snake.

527
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: It was named after David Coverdale's Johnson. I thought you

528
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
were going to say his first album, you mean by Johnson.

529
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 2: We cut off Johnson. Yeah, So the idea of removing

530
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,279
him from the band, it's kind of like trying to

531
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,839
kick bon Jovi out of Bond. That's right, that's right,

532
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,720
It really is I mean, you can't have the bon

533
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,440
Jovie without the john That's right, right, yes, And you

534
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,039
can't have the White Snake without the Johnson.

535
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,279
Speaker 3: So here's what happens. So he has the surgery, goes

536
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,880
through six months of rehab. This whole time, Geffen is

537
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,079
losing money and the band has zero income during this time.

538
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. John Kladner says nineteen eighty six was the only

539
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,680
year in the eighties that he did not have a

540
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,759
hit to his name, John Gladner, because he's got Aerosmith,

541
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,799
He's got all these other bands, but Aerosmith, he's cleaning

542
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,920
them up deep in rehab, and David Coverdale is silent.

543
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,759
Speaker 3: Yes, it's incredible. By the way, I want to throw

544
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,759
this quick in real quick. John Kalodner had a hand

545
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,839
in getting Berlin on the Top Gun soundtrack.

546
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, we tie everything back to any prior

547
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,119
episode that we can, but this is a good one.

548
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,079
This is last episode Berlin who sang take My Breath Away. Now.

549
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,640
My story was that when Giorgio Moroder came in and said,

550
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,400
Terry Nunn, I want you to sing this song, she

551
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,400
was like, yes, please, But you're saying it took some convincing.

552
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,559
Speaker 3: Kallaidner said that he went to her as like, hey,

553
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:08,799
I think you really need to do this, and she's

554
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,960
like and he was the one who's like, no, you

555
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:12,559
got to do this.

556
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 2: Okay.

557
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: Kind of interesting different take again.

558
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's got a different perspective on how things

559
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,920
go in the past.

560
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,759
Speaker 3: Right, So nineteen eighty six is rolling. Geffen's losing money,

561
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,440
They're losing patients. John Sykes is losing patience. John Kladner's

562
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000
losing patients. John Clutter's like they might fire me. Like,

563
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240
if Coverdale doesn't release this album, I might get fired.

564
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,839
And I'm the one who said this guy's a superstar, right,

565
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,799
Sikes is going, we've got a great album here. Yeah,

566
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,799
we've got to release this or fire him. So Coverdale

567
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,400
works his way through the rehab. He even admits he

568
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,319
had a mental block.

569
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he they change producers, like he wasn't working

570
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,920
well with Mike Stone. He's not working well with Mike Stone.

571
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480
They think, let's do another producer. That guy didn't work out.

572
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Eventually they get Keith Olsen in there, and Keith and

573
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,599
David Coverdale are able to work together, and finally, after

574
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,920
two years two years, right, they laid down the vocal tracks.

575
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,599
Speaker 3: Basically, these songs were written in nineteen eighty five.

576
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Iron is no longer hot.

577
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,519
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Right now the model has switched to

578
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,880
bon Jovi, right.

579
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,319
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, bon Jovi. So Kalaudner, I will say this,

580
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,680
there are several key factors in this album. David Coverdale

581
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,359
obviously a factor in this album. Yes, you can't escape

582
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:28,960
those vocals.

583
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:29,759
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

584
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,519
Speaker 2: John Syke's huge songwriter, John Kladner, said he had absolute

585
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,079
control of the album. He said their inspiration point was

586
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
bon Jovi and musically yep, but he was in charge

587
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400
of what I mean he called John Klauderner made the

588
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,400
call on songs, album, artwork, musicians, producers, like everything was

589
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
his call because he knew how to make a hit

590
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,640
record and that was what his job was. Yes, and

591
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,000
so he is a giant, gigantic factor on the success

592
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:02,680
of this album.

593
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: You know who else is a huge factor in.

594
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,319
Speaker 2: This Yes, I do. And her name is Tawny Kataine.

595
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: I saw her described in print as having a honey

596
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,599
drenched million dollar act. And you know what, they were wrong.

597
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: I can't fault that not an inaccurate description, Okay, so

598
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,599
let's talk Tawny Katine for just a bit.

599
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to.

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So Tawnie Kataine had a boyfriend in high school. Yeah,

601
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,599
Robin Crosby of Rat. Yeah, so Robin Crosby. I think

602
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,519
we might have touched a little bit on him in

603
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,480
our Motley Crue episode Close Friends with Nikky six big

604
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,039
factor in Rat. Tawny Katain and he were boyfriend girlfriend

605
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,759
in high school. Birthday is a day apart. She ends

606
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,400
up leaving him for a guy named Pete Angelus. That's right,

607
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,200
and Pete Angelis did the lights for van Halen. So

608
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,039
she leaves the guy who's going to be a star

609
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,279
in Rat to get the lighting guy for van Halen. Wow.

610
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,400
I don't know if that's a fair trade or not.

611
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640
But then the lighting guy comes the manager for Van Halen,

612
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,599
and that ends up being a pretty good deal, right,

613
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,839
And so one night they have to you know, she's

614
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,359
with the rest of the guys. She went on tour

615
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
with them. She was on the bus. She lived the

616
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,240
nineteen eighty four Van Halen party life. Yes, And she's

617
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,279
on the bus with these guys and they're going to

618
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,519
different hotels and stuff, and you know, when they're you're

619
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,000
as famous as they are. You have to leave through

620
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,559
the kitchen. So one night she is walking out with

621
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Pete behind Eddie and Valerie, and she says to herself,

622
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,319
someday that's going to be me with the leader of

623
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,680
the band up there instead of you know this guy.

624
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,440
That's exactly right, And if that thought goes through your head,

625
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,839
you probably shouldn't still be dating a.

626
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: Guy not as chump standing next to me.

627
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,119
Speaker 2: Right. So a little bit later on, she is in

628
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,920
a restaurant. She had gone down to La she had

629
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,480
started working in movies. She was the fiancee in Bachelor

630
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,640
Party with Tom Hanks. Yeah, so she's already making a

631
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
name for herself. Hey listen, Yeah, I'm gonna stop you

632
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:56,799
right there. Okay.

633
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: Bachelor Party was a naughty pleasure for me and my

634
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,160
buddies back.

635
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: In the day.

636
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: It's funny, it's you know, booblned and.

637
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: I want you to sleep. I want you to sleep.

638
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,519
Speaker 3: That was like the epitome of comedy slash naughtiness in

639
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:18,000
our eleven year old self. Plus in nineteen eighty six,

640
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,400
she did kind of an eighties off the beat classic Witchboard.

641
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah, so she's in La having a drink

642
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,920
with a friend, and the friend is like, hey, there's

643
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,920
a couple of cute, long haired guys back there behind you,

644
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,319
uh huh, And so she's kind of eyeing them a

645
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,440
little bit. And so she gets up to go to

646
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,759
the bathroom and the first one kind of stops her

647
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160
early on. It's like, hey, would you like to sit

648
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,720
down and have a drink with me and my friend?

649
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,680
And she's like, well, no, I don't drink, so that's okay, thanks,

650
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:47,680
and she keeps on going. And then she gets up

651
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,799
to the top of the stairs and there's David Coverdale

652
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,079
and he says, excuse me, would you kid have a

653
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,400
spot of tea with me and my friend? And she

654
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,240
was like, spot of tea? Well, yes, that sounds very nice.

655
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:57,599
Speaker 3: Yep.

656
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:07,119
Speaker 2: So that's the introduction yep. So he asks her out

657
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,240
for a proper date. Yes, shows up in a white jag.

658
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,480
This seems like a good sign, right, Hey, here we go.

659
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,599
He's wearing a suit.

660
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,839
Speaker 3: This is the same blue suit that he wears in

661
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,079
the Here I Go Again video and the same white jag.

662
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:21,319
That's exactly right.

663
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,559
Speaker 2: So she's like, okay, she's impressed. Yeah, And so she

664
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,079
gets in and she's like, so you know, what, what

665
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,160
do you do? And he's like, oh, well, I'm a

666
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,519
singer and we've been working on this album. And she's like, oh,

667
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,079
he's and she says, what's the name of your band?

668
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:37,000
He says White Snake.

669
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,359
Speaker 3: She's never heard of him, right, She's toured the world

670
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,359
with Van Halen, she's run around with rat she knows

671
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,960
the rock and.

672
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 2: Roll scene, and she doesn't know who White Snake is.

673
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,279
Speaker 3: Never heard of you, right?

674
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: And then he's like, we've been working on an album.

675
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,880
Let me put the tape in, and so she sticks

676
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
it in and she's looking out the window like, oh great,

677
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,720
I am with some loser who doesn't have any idea

678
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,279
that he's never going to make it in the music business.

679
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,160
And then the car breaks down in the middle of

680
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,039
the road. So David, imagine this David Coverdale in the

681
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,039
blue shiny suit pushing a jaguarre onto the median as

682
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,639
smoke plumes from the.

683
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: Hey don't worry. Two years from now, we're going to

684
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,480
be in a video with this suit and this jag

685
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,639
and we're gonna make millions of it.

686
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: It's gonna change history.

687
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 3: He didn't even have insurance on the car, that's right,

688
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,039
and he was living in a hotel room that he

689
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,039
couldn't check out of because he didn't have the money

690
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:32,639
to pay the bill.

691
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: He literally, like you said, three million dollars in debt.

692
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,239
At this point that he's met Tawny Kataine. This album

693
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,519
still hasn't come out yet, right, they're waiting. And then

694
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,760
another key factor in the history of the White Snake

695
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400
album absolutely John Kaladner says, there's a guy who needs

696
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,159
to make a video for your album, and he introduces

697
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,119
them to a guy who we've talked about before named

698
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,719
Marty Callner. Yes, and you'll remember I was talking about

699
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,159
him before because I mentioned that he was the guy

700
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:06,719
who started the Hard Knocks series on HBO.

701
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,519
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Hard Knocks.

702
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: Right, So at the time, that's all I knew about him.

703
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,320
But now I've got a whole story. So here's this

704
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,679
story on Marty Calner. When he's a little kid, two

705
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,400
years old, his mom and dad get divorced. His dad

706
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,559
leaves mom home alone to take care of the kids.

707
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,559
She has to work three jobs. The dad doesn't support them.

708
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,119
They live in like lower middle class you know, the

709
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,280
picking up the sweet and lows so you have sweetener

710
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,039
at the house, mismatch furniture, kmart art on the walls

711
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,119
right until he's about ten years old, and then his

712
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,840
dad dies. His dad's family says, oh my gosh, he's

713
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,079
the only Calner male heir left. And it turns out

714
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,840
they are like bajillionaires. Yes, so the Calner family is

715
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,239
a huge family in Chicago, Like there's a Calner building

716
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,199
in Chicago.

717
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: WHOA.

718
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,559
Speaker 2: The dad never supported him, but he had the decency

719
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,840
to die before the kid was fully grown, and so

720
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,400
the family starts taking him up to Chicago. He gets

721
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,079
picked up by a limousine like he's wearing his little

722
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,400
league baseball uniform. Gets picked up by a limousine, taken

723
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,679
to the nicest hotel in town. They have a penthouse

724
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,840
suite up there. They have Monaise and Picasso's like the

725
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,239
real thing, not even a print, but like the real

726
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,119
art on the wall. And they spend the next eight

727
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,920
years of his life culturing him. Each summer, so he

728
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,599
spends half of his time in the you know, make

729
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,559
it on your own in the right low income area. Two,

730
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,480
I'm in the finest of the fine And he says,

731
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,280
so that is how I developed my eye for what

732
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,079
is beautiful because I could tell the difference between the

733
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:47,400
Kmart pictures and the picassos. And so that's how I

734
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,159
was able to develop this eye as a director. And

735
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,679
so he goes to college. He has a lot of WS.

736
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,679
He spends about five years in college. I don't think

737
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,760
he graduated, okay, all right. He gets done with college,

738
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,079
had himself a little trip experience that left him a

739
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,360
little weird for about three months. But he gets out

740
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,039
of college and has no real prospects at all. And

741
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,840
his mom works for TV Guide Okay, she's like a

742
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,000
local distributor to TV Guide, And she says, if I

743
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,239
call one of these TV studios, will would you take

744
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,880
a job? He's like, okay, sure, yeah, whatever, right, And

745
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,559
so his first night in the studio in the TV studio,

746
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,280
he's in the newsroom and there's been this big wreck

747
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,079
and people are running around to get the full story

748
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,719
on it, and it seems exciting. So he's excited about that,

749
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,159
and so he starts talking to the other directors. They've

750
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,960
got about seven directors on the staff at this TV studio, okay,

751
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,519
and they're showing him, you know, with code hangers as

752
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,159
frames for TV shots, how to do TV shots like this,

753
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,599
and he starts working for the show The Nick Clooney Show.

754
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,519
Have you heard of this? No? Okay, Well, Nick's son

755
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,920
about seven at the time, is running around. His name

756
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,440
was George.

757
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: I've heard of George. Yeah, yes, yeah.

758
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: So that's where Marty Callner is getting his start, young

759
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,400
twenties guy in the Nick Clooney Show. And then he

760
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,599
gets his directing break when he's the only guy there

761
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,840
and the director who actually knows something has to run

762
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,920
because there's an accident, and so he's given the reins

763
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,840
and he pulls it off, and suddenly he's making more

764
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,800
money because hey, it turns out he can actually direct. Well,

765
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,400
then he gets a call a little bit later on

766
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,639
two job offers. Okay, one is eighty five thousand to

767
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,000
work for this pretty well known TV studio and the

768
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,159
other one's thirty five thousand dollars for this much lesser

769
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,159
known TV studios this mid seventies. Yeah, but they said,

770
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,880
we'll give you a lot of artistic license. You will

771
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,199
really kind of be the guy who designs what this

772
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,159
TV studio is going to be about.

773
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

774
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,079
Speaker 2: He goes, Okay, what's the name of the studio and

775
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:43,079
they said, we're.

776
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: Calling it HB. It's called Home Box Office. Yeah, and

777
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:50,480
so this little known.

778
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,079
Speaker 2: Studio becomes the artistic outlet for Marty Callner. He's responsible

779
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,480
for the music that everybody associates with.

780
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,639
Speaker 3: HBO thought we got to play that right here.

781
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: So he didn't play it. He commissioned it. But I

782
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,119
mean it was him. He was the guy. He was

783
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,199
the guy for HBO. And he's still trying to do

784
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,079
some directing and he directs. He decides what I want

785
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,119
to do. He loves comedy. I want to direct a

786
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:25,440
comedy stand up show, okay, and so it's Robert Klein

787
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,199
is his first show. He does not do it right.

788
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,079
He's not used to these type of shows where you're

789
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,719
filming live. He says, it ends up looking horrible. You know,

790
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,599
the angles, Robert Klein's hands look gigantic. You know, he's

791
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,960
just filming it like he would a TV show and

792
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,000
he's using real cameras. It just doesn't make any sense.

793
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,360
And so he thinks, great, I'm gonna get fired. I'm

794
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,880
gonna get fired from this job, right, and he almost

795
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,000
does until the next day when there's a review in

796
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,559
the New York Times magazine that says this is one

797
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,960
of the best specials HBO has ever produced, and overnight

798
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,559
he goes from thirty five thousand, two, three and fifty.

799
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:04,679
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome.

800
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: Okay. So he's sitting in bed one night. He's done

801
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,840
some videos. He's done a few music music videos with

802
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:15,239
Laura Branigan, among others. Okay, lots of comedy specials. He's

803
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,119
sitting in bed one night and he sees a video

804
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,880
by our friend Russell McKay. Uh huh Betty Davis Eyes

805
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:23,199
by Kim Crush.

806
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 3: She's never cold. She's got that today beside a ton

807
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:30,280
of music.

808
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,599
Speaker 2: He sees that video and he's like, holy cow, this

809
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,840
guy is breaking all the rules.

810
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,639
Speaker 3: Our man, Russell McKay.

811
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,199
Speaker 2: Russell McKay, he has had so much influence on so

812
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,519
many things in the eighties, it's crazy. Yep. So he

813
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,079
sees that and he says to his wife, I want

814
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,320
to quit my job and I want to make music videos.

815
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,880
And she's and she's like what. He's like, I know,

816
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920
we live in a really nice house and I make

817
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,239
whole lots of money, but I need to go do this.

818
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,400
And she said, I'll live in the desert in a

819
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,880
one room house with you if you're happy.

820
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh what a woman?

821
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a woman. So he goes and inquires with friends,

822
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,119
and one of them says, Okay, I got three bands

823
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,400
that you could do a video for. First one's out

824
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,400
of Australia named in Excess.

825
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, inks, who is this.

826
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Pronounced in Excess? The other one is out of New Orleans.

827
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,599
They're called Zebra, And I've got this bar band that

828
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,400
I have no idea what to do with. Oh yeah,

829
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:53,360
what's the what do they call Twisted Sister? So, yeah, everybody,

830
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,000
Marty Comer is the guy responsible for the We're not

831
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,639
gonna take it. I want to rock. Those amazing and

832
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,320
iconic videos are Marty Culner. And so fast forward just

833
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,400
a couple of years and Marty Culner is getting a

834
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,639
call from John Klaudner who says, I need somebody to

835
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,800
make a video, and I need you to make it cheap.

836
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,719
We are out of money. Uh huh. So before we.

837
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,119
Speaker 3: Get to the video for Still the Night, which we're

838
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,320
getting to, yeah, I mean Coverdale felt like he was

839
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,639
dealing with a rebellion within the band, and so he

840
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,559
went to Geffen and He's like, we're firing all these guys.

841
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,119
They wanted to fire me from the band. I can't

842
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,239
have these guys in my band. They're out. So as

843
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,239
soon as Ainsley Dunbar got done with his drum parts, Ainsley,

844
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,760
thank you, see you later. Neil Murray, you're done with

845
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,239
your bass by and John Sykes is like, well, I

846
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,599
could either quit or I could see it through. So

847
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,440
I finished my guitars and then I quit and that

848
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:52,320
left Coverdale as the only member of White Snake left.

849
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,679
So Kladner said, all right, well here's my chance to

850
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,679
build my dreamline up of White Snake. And that's when

851
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,159
he brings in Tommy Aldridge on drums, he brings in

852
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:04,039
Adrian van der Berg, he brings in Vivian Campbell, and

853
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:08,480
he creates this band out of nothingness. And that's what

854
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,119
you see in the videos, right.

855
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: So the first time, this is monumental. Everybody listen to this.

856
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:20,039
The first time the band that probably you and everyone

857
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:24,119
you know knows is White Snake from MTV. The first

858
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,639
time that those guys met each other was on the

859
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:39,800
video shoot for Still of the Night. That's crazy, man,

860
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,239
it is nuts. And just before they were about to

861
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,599
shoot the video. They lost their model, they lost their

862
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,559
female girl sex symbol. You know that was it's the

863
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:55,239
guest girl, baby Claudia Schiffer. Claudia freaking Shiffer was supposed

864
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,280
to be the girl in the White Sink video.

865
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so Claudia Schiffer, we still show.

866
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, she bails at the last minute. Marty Callner

867
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,400
and David Coverdale are supposed to have dinner at Marty's

868
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,559
house that night, and so David brings his new kind

869
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,760
of new girlfriend with him, and Marty has just gotten

870
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,239
the call that Claudia Schiffer is out and he doesn't

871
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,039
know what to do, and so as he opens the door,

872
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,599
he sees David with Tawny Katine and he says, you're.

873
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: Her, freaking raise from heaven?

874
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Yes, I'm who What do you mean?

875
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're her.

876
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:37,159
Speaker 2: We have to have you for the video shoot tomorrow tomorrow.

877
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,679
Speaker 3: And Coverdale's like, ah, this is kind of a new thing.

878
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,800
I don't know if she'll She's like, no, I'm happy

879
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,360
to help in any way possible.

880
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: I think she had a little hesitation. She was like,

881
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,039
TV was not cool at that point. That's true. She

882
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,800
was doing movies and this was not even really TV,

883
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,199
it was music videos. Can maybe even step down from that. Yes,

884
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,719
I'm so thankful that she changed her mind. Okay. And

885
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,239
another thing that Marty Culner did that you're going to appreciate. Yeah,

886
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,280
he was the one who directed the first pee Wee

887
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Herman show. Oh I love that one, the nineteen eighty

888
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,360
like it's supposed to be a kids show as really adult.

889
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,000
Yeah that was Marty Callner. Pee Wee Herman had done

890
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:17,960
that character on stage and he's like, we need to

891
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000
make a show out of this. Marty Culner directed the

892
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,679
very first nineteen eighty This is well before eighty six

893
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,599
when all the other exactly which one you're talking about.

894
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: He hypnotizes a woman from the audience and it makes

895
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,480
her take her clothes off. Yeah it was. It was

896
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,679
definitely one.

897
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,639
Speaker 2: We liked all right then, Okay, so Marty Culner has

898
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,440
shot the first part of the video with the band.

899
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,840
He looks at the footage and he's like, this looks

900
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,199
like a bunch of guys who don't know each other,

901
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,039
who are pretending to play music that they didn't play. Yeah,

902
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,280
and he's like, I need another day of shooting.

903
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: He called him basically Millie Vanilli, right, yeah, He's like,

904
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
they can play, but they weren't playing right.

905
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: So he calls Deafen Records up and he's like, hey, guys,

906
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,599
I need another day of shooting. We need some you know,

907
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:06,039
maybe a female, some sexiness. Let's get this all done intercutting. Yeah,

908
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,199
and we'll intercut it with our first day of shooting.

909
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,079
Won't cost much. I'll shoot it sixteen millimeter, like thirty

910
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:15,679
five thousand, and David Geffen says, David Coverdale can go himself. Yeah,

911
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,400
I mean he they were done.

912
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,079
Speaker 3: They were done. Geffen was about to go out of business.

913
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,519
Speaker 2: John Kallawdner was about to lose his job, so he

914
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,960
wasn't happy with him, right, nobody was happy with this band.

915
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:29,880
But Marty says, guys, thirty five thousand dollars, they said, no,

916
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,639
we're not doing it. They can he can rot. And

917
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,559
so that night Marty's like, well sucks, because I really

918
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,559
think this guy can make something of himself. And his

919
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,519
wife says, well, can we afford to pay the thirty

920
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,880
five thousand dollars? And he's like yeah, She goes, do

921
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,519
you really believe in him that much? He said, yeah,

922
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,519
I do. She's been go do it. And so it's

923
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,320
because Marty Callner put up his own money to shoot

924
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,360
that second day and where we had Tawny Kataine. It's

925
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,519
because of that that we get that video and then

926
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,559
not over yet. We keep in mind at this point,

927
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,760
David Coverdale is singing New York Seltzer commercials. I mean,

928
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,280
let's let's listen to this. I'm not kidding, let's listen.

929
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 5: Do you liten on New York salsa now available everywhere?

930
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,599
Speaker 3: That sounds like a man who lives in a hotel

931
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,920
with no car insurance.

932
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know which is worse that one

933
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or the Hoover vacuum commercial with Brian Johnson's Yeah, that's right.

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But these guys were obviously scraping the bottom of the

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barrel right before they're about to explode all over the mainstream.

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Speaker 3: Marty Kalmer did step in and save the day for

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thirty five thousand dollars. Yeah, But you know who else

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deserves a lot of credit? His wife. Oh, for sure,

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she's the unsung hero in this story.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. She's the one that says if you feel it,

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if you feel it, go do it.

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Speaker 3: If she had said no, he'd have been like, all right, yeah, sorry,

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And that's how we get White Snake nineteen eights.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Marty shoots the second day, intercuts, makes the video,

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and he sends it into MTV. So here's where the

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stars aligned. Yes, the video arrives at the same time

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that he happens to have the manager of led Zeppelin,

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Phil Carson, and Phil sees the video and he says

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to Sam Man, led Zeppelin would die to have a

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video like this, and Sam says, really, I guess I'll

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make it the hit clip of the week.

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Speaker 3: Hip clip of the week. And in New York City,

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the executives at MTV, the people that work around him

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are like, this is not hip. This is an old

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guy singing, and He's like, no, no, no, you're wrong.

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This song is him.

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Speaker 2: In Iowa, he knew that the audience had grown beyond

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the metro of New York City, right, Yep. The other

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side of the street in Tulsa, Oklahoma, was the were

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the ones buying the Duran Duran albums because they had him.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And he knew that that was his audience. And he

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was right.

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Speaker 3: There's an army of mullets out there that are waiting

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to hear this song this week.

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Speaker 2: So Still the Night becomes the hip clip of the week,

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and suddenly the band is world renowned.

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Speaker 3: White Snake goes from three million dollars in debt having

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five bucks in a condom in your wallet. That album

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sold one million records in ten days. In ten days,

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you talk about your life turning on a moment. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Just think if the mail had run late that day,

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if Phil hadn't been in there talking to Sam, we

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may never have known who White Snake was.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it saved Geffen Records. Yep, it saved David Coverdale's career.

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It gave us a video of Vixen of the Ages.

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White Snake then opens for Motley Crue on the Girls,

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Girls Girls Tour, Changes lives.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Wow. So nineteen eighty seven means that this album

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is thirty five years old this year. Yes, and the

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release date was not too long ago. That's right, you

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remember the date. I think it was April seventh, April seventh,

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and so on April seventh, my genius friend makes a

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little post for Facebook and Twitter that says, hey, this

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album is thirty five years old to day. He might

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have tagged David Coverdale and sweet and he says, what's

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your favorite song? And mister David freaking Coverdale responds and

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says all of them.

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Speaker 3: That was a freaking cool moment in our Surely you

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can't be serious. Podcast lives amazed bass David Coverdale replied

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directly to my post he likes two of them.

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Speaker 2: So you have had some amazing reactions to your Twitter post.

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You've gotten David Coverdale to respond to your White Snake post, right,

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You've got Stephen Stephen Desusa Desusa to respond to your

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diehard post. Have I gotten I don't have I gotten anything?

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Speaker 3: Kathy Ireland liked your posts.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that maybe makes me the winner.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well done done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So now it's time for us to go jump

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in the album track by track next week, next week. Yes,

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so everybody be sure and hit that subscribe button or

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that follow button on whatever your podcast app is so

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that you don't miss us going track by track through

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White Snake, White Snake nineteen eighty seven, some amazing songs

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on the album that We've got so many stories to

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tell you, but for now we have to go.

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Speaker 3: Promise you we'll be doing cartwheels on the hoods of

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Jaguars and talking about infamous MTV nipple slips. It's going

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to be amazing. Come back next week.