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Speaker 1: Hey folks, Paul Abernati here. On today's episode, we're going

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to be talking about a very important topic for all

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of you journeymen, apprentices and masters out there that are

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working in the electrical trade and you have this urge

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to disagree or argue with somebody or say something nasty,

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only to realize that that's a bridge that you may

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burn in the electrical industry and it may cost you

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big in the future. So on today's episode, we're going

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to talk about burning bridges in the electrical industry and

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why it can cost you big. So stay tuned for

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this episode on Master the NEEC.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Master of the NEC podcast, the ultimate

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destination for anyone passionate about the electrical trade. Whether you're

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a season electrician, an eager apprentice, or just someone who

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wants to dive deep into the world of electrical work,

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you've come to the right place.

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Speaker 1: Join your host, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Averdavi, a true authority in the industry with over thirty

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eight years of trade experience, as he electrifies your mind

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with in depth discussions, expert tips, and valuable insights that

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will keep you ahead of the curve. Each episode, Paul

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will illuminate the complexities of the Trade de Code, the

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National Electrical Code, and share the latest industry trends, all

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while empowering you to take your electrical career to the

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next level. So gear up, plug in, and get ready

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to supercharge your knowledge because with the mass of the

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Neez Podcast, the power is in your hands.

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Speaker 1: Now get ready. Here is your host, Paul Abernet. What

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up everybody, Paul Abernet, you here, Thanks for joining me

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on today's podcast, where we're going to talk about a

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really important topic, especially for all of you apprentices out there,

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journeyman master electricians that are working for companies that have

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people that you answer to, or maybe people even the

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answer to you in you sometimes to get mouthy and

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say stuff and cause problems and really burn that bridge

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of knowledge and you just never know what it's going

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to cost you down the road. So that's the topic

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today is basically your ability. You have a right to

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remain silent, but you don't have the ability, and so

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that's what we're going to talk about, burning bridges in

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the electrical industry. Now today when we talk about this topic,

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it's not discussed enough in the electrical industry, and of

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course I will say that this is not just germane

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to the electrical industry, Okay, it just seems that that's

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the main one that I'm in tune with, so kind

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of in the topic of this discussion is going to

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be obviously more slanted towards the electrical industry and trying

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to give advice to journeyman masters, people that work for

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companies and all those type of things that hopefully will

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save you some heartache down the road, because the trade

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needs to understand that there is a thing called burning bridges,

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specifically burning bridges with other electricians, burning bridges with inspectors,

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burning bridges with manufacturers, and yes, burning bridges with industry

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leaders like myself and other educators that are in the industry,

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because I'm seeing more and more people that are online,

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especially on this social media world, that absolutely torch relationships

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that they desperately will need later in their career and

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they might not even know it yet. But trust me,

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the electrical industry is a lot smaller than you think

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it is. Okay, so keep that in mind. It's kind

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of going to be the heart of our discussion today.

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And so and again, I am also not a hypocrite.

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I have fallen below that line of professionalism once or

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twice in my career, so I can kind of speak

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from authority here. But let's keep a couple things clear.

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There's a difference when you say burning bridges between somebody

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that can be influential in your career or your progression

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in life than it is for other people that are not.

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It's just acquaintances and you don't really need them. So

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you're okay to burn that bridge. That's your choice. Okay.

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So a classic example that I could give of that

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is I don't give a rat's ass about n FPA.

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They can't do anything for me. Then there I disagree

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with a lot of things that they do. But at

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the end of the day, I still believe in the system.

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I still contribute to the development of the NEEC. I

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believe in the mission, but I don't agree with the association.

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a great responsibility that they hold, but I don't agree

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with the management or how they do things. Thus I'm

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not a member. So again there's there's differences here, okay.

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you as an electrician. Whether you're working with customers, or

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whether you're trying to build your business or you're starting

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out and you're just an apprentice and you're working for somebody.

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of plan a seed for you because I see so

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many people who post nasty things online, say nasty things,

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and they don't really realize that they're probably burning a

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bridge at some point in their career they may need.

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tried to help and even got them out of an

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issue when they got in trouble, only to turn around

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and stab you in the back, stab me in the back.

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that never can be recovered. But it was pointless. There

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was no reason to do it, So why do it?

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and so we have to think about those things. But

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let's kind of focus on the industry a little bit,

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because again I want to try to put the bug

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in your ear that you have the ability to change

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your course of life and so that things don't come

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back and nip you in the butt, right. You've heard

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politicians say that they go and they do a career

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and then they go run for office and then the

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little skeletons come out of their closet. Well, yeah, that's true.

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still win a lah Virginia. But at the end of

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the day, there's skeletons are there. So it's something that

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we have to think about. And you need to think

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about that as you're entering into this trade, or you're

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in this trade, or you're trying to grow your business

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in how you interact with your customers, because you never

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know when that customer that you interact poorly with may

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keep you from getting another job down the road because

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of their brief interaction with you and how you handled yourself.

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So I'm gonna break this down. I'm gonna give you

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some insight and again you can gree to disagree. That's

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the one reason that people ask why I don't comment

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on a lot of debates on social media, because first

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of all, it goes nasty and people start name calling,

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and people think that their authorities in the industry and

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they've only been in the industry for a couple of

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years or ten years at best. They've never served on

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code panels. They've never developed an opinion, they've never written books,

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they've never served on committees, they've never been ahead of

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a jurisdiction. They don't have the experience to opine like

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they do, Yet they pound their chests like they're right,

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and they totally ignore that you have a right to

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an opinion, they have a right to disagree, but we

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can all get along. But they take it down the

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wrong path and it turns nasty, and that's just not

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what you need, certainly not for your ongoing reputation. Now,

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am I immune from that? No, I've been down that

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rabbit hole many times in my career, and what I'm

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trying to do is to save you from that grief.

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It's unnecessary. Okay, it's unnecessary. So let's talk about this

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and break it down a little bit. So let's talk

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about the industry. The industry. And when I say industry,

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I'm talking electrical because that's my background. But this can

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again apply broadily through whatever you do, whether it's the

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office gossip or whatever it would be if you're in

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an office building, it's all the same concept, right. The

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industry is smaller than you think. Let me give you

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some straight talk. Here in this industry, people talk, people, gossip, reputations, travel, screenshots,

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and posts online live forever. You might think that you're

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just venting on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok or whatever. You might

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think you're just speaking your truth in a forum, a

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public forum, but what you're really doing is building a

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digital reputation trail that follows you everywhere. Now, you might

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be an electrician in the forum say I don't give

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a damn, I'm say what I want. I'm you know whatever.

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That's fine until it costs you your job, or it

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gets shared with somebody, or at some point you want

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to enhance your career and move up in Somebody who

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is vindictive in nature and people are sadly shares information. Also. Again,

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at the end of the day, it's just nasty. So

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there's a reason why I block people on my social

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accounts and I do not comment for the majority of stuff.

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I don't comment. Why because I'm an easy target. Everybody

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wants to challenge the code expert or the guy that's

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been in the industry for forty plus years. You know,

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we always want to be challenged. Where you think you

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know more than me. Maybe you do, but at the

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end of the day, you know we're not going to

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get into a tit for tat debate back and forth

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where your opinion outweighs my opinion. I found that my

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opinions are based on experience and what I've dealt with.

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If you disagree with me, that's fine. Let's respectfully disagree

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and you go on your way. I'll go on my way.

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That doesn't mean that down the road. I've had disagreements

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where people call me up and want my advice years later,

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but they didn't burn that bridge. They called me up,

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and I was more than happy to have that discussion

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because we don't have to all. I will agree all

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the time, but some people take it to the wrong level,

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and what I'm trying to do is keep you, as

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an electrician, from taking it to the next level. So

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that's my reason why I don't participate in those social

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in because I won't let that garbage taint a topic.

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I'm just not going to do it. And nobody will

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ever see your shitty comment on any of my forms

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because I block it or I delete it, So don't

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waste your breath because nobody will ever see it. And

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I don't care about it, because if you say something

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negative to me, I'll just say, well, at least I

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got you to watch it. At least I got you

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to listen to it. So guess what, that's an hour

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of your time you're never going to get back in

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your life. So who really wins? I win because I

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laugh my ass off at it because I don't care

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about your comments. So think about that. Just think about

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it for a little bit. Okay, now here's the reality

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most folks don't consider. And this is not just in

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the field. This is if you're an apprentice, you're a journeyman.

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foremans leaders. The end of the day, you got to

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remember that the person that you may blast today maybe

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the person reviewing your project tomorrow or your chance for

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advancement tomorrow. And you know, one good example of this

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is I remember seeing a video not too long ago

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of Tracy Morgan and this homeless guy who was asking

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him for food or something, and he refused to help him.

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to really torment Tracy when he was younger, up and coming,

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and so now this guy is homeless man he expects

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Tracy to help him. Well, Tracy's not under any obligation

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to help that guy. I would have done the same

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thing saying no, you're on your own. People say, oh, Paul,

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that's not the Christian thing to do. Kiss my ass.

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You burnt that bridge and you ain't building that bridge back.

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And that was Tracy Morgan's approach to it, and he

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has every right to have that approach, you know. The

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holier than tho. People will say, oh, well, you shouldn't

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do that. We should love each other. Then you haven't

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spent any amount of time perusing through electrical forums to

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feel that way. Okay, so save me the moaning groaning,

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because you have no clue. Okay. So the manufacturer's representative

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that you may mock today, be little today, say something

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smart to today. Maybe the one that helps you solve

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a real product issue in the future. Maybe it's an

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eating rep, maybe it's a Schneider rep. Maybe it's somebody

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you burn that bridge. Do you think that they're going

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to go out of their way to help you in

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the future. And at the end, of the day. I

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want all the help I can get if I need it.

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But can you blame them for not helping them if

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you trash them? How about this the educator you trash

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today on social media, maybe the one whose course your apprentice,

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or your helper or your electricians need to pass their

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exam in the future, and just maybe, just maybe that

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educator decides they don't want to help you, or maybe

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you trasht his educator because they've helped you for years,

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helped you get your license, gave you advice when you

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needed it. But for one reason, you may disagree and

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you immediately assume something, and you go to social media

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and you start trashing them and have the audacity to think, well,

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that person must be an asshole because they won't talk

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to me anymore. No, because you trash them for what reason?

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You don't know them. Hell half of you out there.

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I don't know any of you much less sit there

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and see you talk crap about people. That's different if

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you're a home inspector in Arizona who talks a bunch

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of smack and is not even an expert in electrical

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But I even would have helped that guy if he

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needed electrical advice and that all started years ago. And

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y'all know who I'm talking about. That's because this guy

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named Brandon, And all I did was give what the

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National Electrical Code says about it, and he got been

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all out of shape and took it on his mission. Dude,

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that should have never gone anywhere because he could have said, well,

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that's not what we do in Arizona. I would have said,

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that's fine, I teach the National Electrical Code. I wasn't

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jumping on Brandon, but that guy took it to the

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next level because he likes the clicks, he likes to

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get the attention, and I get it. He's got his

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little minions who are basically whack jobs that go around

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threaten people and cause all kinds of problem for people.

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That's a sickness, and I feel sorry for him. I'm

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not upset at him. I'm not upset. I feel sorry

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for him. I really do. You feels sorry for people

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like that. But that's the reason I don't comment. So

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in case you wondered that she's not worth it, you

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can either learn from me or move on. Now. This industry,

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electrical speaking has a long memory. Okay, so people do

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not forget things, and they do hold things against you. Okay, Now,

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how do burning bridges hurt your business? So if you're

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a contractor, for example, and you've lost technical support when

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you need it because you bash experts in the industry,

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you bash other people that could have been resources if

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you disagree with them, bite your tongue. But at some

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point you may need an expert for product clarification. You

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may need code interpretation discussion, you may want to bounce

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something off of somebody. You may need engineering support. I

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got a guy called me tonight, wanted some engineering help.

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I helped him out, called me quite a few times.

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Good relationship with him. Okay, you know, don't mind helping

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people out at all that need to be helped. But

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the moment that he burns that bridge, don't call me

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no more. I'm done. Okay. People say, well, that's pretty petty.

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Shut up. You don't get it. You don't get it.

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Manufacturers Assistance, HJ Cooperation, electrical inspectors. There's no reason for

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you to be little, talk down, get shitty with an

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electrical inspector. He may do it with you. He needs

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to listen to this podcast as well. But at the

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end of the day. You can be very professional, you know,

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present your case, you can agree to disagree, but ultimately,

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at the end of the day, they have the authority

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and you can either fight it or comply, but you

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can do it respectfully. Okay. If you publicly trash the

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very person who provided that help in the first place,

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then guess what happens. You don't get the same level

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of responsiveness you. Certainly they're not going to answer your calls.

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They're not going to help you out in the future.

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It's you know, maybe not officially but professionally, they're not

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going to be there for you. Okay, they're not going

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to be there to help you out again. I have

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example of where I've helped the many people in this industry,

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and for whatever reason, they also get a bug up

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their ass and they don't want to talk to me,

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or they call me names on their podcast or whatever.

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And for the life of me cannot think of whatever.

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I what I ever did? I gave one guy advice

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not to use ready kilowatt in his in stuff that

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he creates and sells online. Next thing you know, he's

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bashing the shit out of me. And I don't even

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I'm like, dude, I've helped this guy, I've answered question

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for this guy. I even help him, prauded him along

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to get his master's license. But out of nowhere, he's

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just going to trash me on a podcast. So I

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think you get the point. What's the point of burning bridges? Why?

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What's the point? Now? Damage to your own professional reputation

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and we're back to talking about electricians, contractors, employers. When

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you go to deal with a customer, I've talked about

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this before, what we call soft skills. You do not

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tell your business to the customer. They don't want to

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hear your story. They don't care about your story. You're

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there to solve a problem. You're a problem solver. That's it.

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Solve your problem, get paid, and get out. They don't

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need your baggage. They may empathize with you, but at

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the end of the day, they're going on with their life.

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They don't give a damn about what you got going on.

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Sooner you realize that, the sooner you're going to stop

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opening up your baggage to other people who do not care.

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They act like they care, but they do not care. Okay,

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I'm just gonna be brutally honest with you. They do

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not care. They really don't, So get over it. Okay, Now,

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how this damages your reputation with customers, with other people

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in the company, with your employer, with your foreman, with inspectors.

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The problem with it is that when you burn that bridge,

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those people could be in positions someday to help you.

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Why would you want to do that? Right, So, in

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the trade, your reputation is just like currency. When people

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see repeated rants, personal attacks, public call outs, unprofessional posts,

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they start asking one question, is this somebody I want

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to work with? Is this somebody that I want to promote?

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Is this somebody I want to give a good recommendation for.

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I mean, you burnt that bridge. I'm just gonna let

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you flounder. I'm not gonna help you. So the gentleman

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that I helped out because he was having an issue

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with some counterfeit codebooks, I wrote a letter. I didn't

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have to do that. I wrote a letter to help

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him and his wife. But then he ended up burning

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that bridge just weeks later. It's one of those things

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that I'll never help you again. Why did you have

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to do that? It was not necessary. I didn't do

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anything to do it. I wasn't crappy with you. So

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at the end of the day, I don't understand. I

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don't know why people burn bridges like that, especially if

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there's somebody in the industry that can help you grow,

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and if he's already helped you grow, then it's proven

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that they do help you grow. Why would you want

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to do that. If I'm an electrician and I'm an apprentice,

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why am I going to talk about the master who's

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helping me. I may not agree with him, I may

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not always come the same meeting of the minds, but

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I'm not gonna talk smack about him. I'm not gonna

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talk behind his back to Johnny, who's a neutral third party,

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who's going to form an opinion to that guy based

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on what I tell him. And then when he gets

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a relationship with that person and realizes he's not the

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way that I say he is, now he's going to

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judge me, and that's going to ruin our relationship. It's

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not worth it. Again, I tell people this all the time.

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Loose lips sink ships. Keep your mouth shut. You have

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the right to remain silent, but some people just don't

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have the ability. Okay, Now, once that seat is planted

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in somebody. They don't want to work with you. You're a troublemaker,

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you're a mouthy person. You spread it, blah blah blah.

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Once that seeds planet, it's very hard to undo. And

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again we're talking about in the field, when you're working

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with your coworkers, working with your supervisors, whatever. Now, look,

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you may have disagreements with somebody in the field. You

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may not like your boss, you may not like your supervisor,

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you may not like your coworker. But here's the deal.

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Swallow that pride. It doesn't do you any good to

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banter back and forth, no good at all. Why because

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you never know and that helper may hit a home

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run in their company and you may need to go

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to work for them one day. He's like, well, I'm

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never going to do that bullshit. I've seen it more

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than once, see it more than once. Okay, don't burn

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that bridge. You want to gripe at home, gripe to

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your significant other, gripe on your time you leave a job,

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don't a bitch about the job, and burn that bridge

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because you never know when you may have to go

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back to feed your family. Leave those bread crumbs alone.

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And I don't know how many times and people we

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have this sense of wanting to get the last word

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in right, And it's not just electricians, it's anybody that

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gets pissed off. We want the last word. We want

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to leave it as gotcha, it's the last word. I

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get it. Everybody's got that pride again. This is why

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I don't comment and comments, because it seems like it's

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just a long tit for tat. Nobody wins, everybody gets

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pissed off, reputations get destroyed. This is why I don't comment.

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So people ask me out there, they say, well, paul

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a block here, he won't comment, absolutely right. One is

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because I don't care about your opinion, because you're not

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gonna sway my opinion, because I spent nearly forty years

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forming my opinions. If you disagree with me, you may

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be right, I may be wrong, but you need to

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accept it that you're not gonna change me. That's it.

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Move on. So I'm just not getting into that tit

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for tat now on my forum that we have cheat

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shameless plug over on nec chat dot com, which is

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free for you to join. There is zero bullying, there,

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zero hate. We help everybody over there. You can post pictures, images, graphics,

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whatever you want. We help everybody over there. Okay, and

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you want to post a ask a code question, or

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you want to do something perfect. It is not like

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the other social platforms. I don't want that garbage. I

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don't want the dance and boobies and all that kind

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It's not what it's about. Does that mean we won't

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get that many followers? That's fine because I don't care.

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I made it as a resource. If you don't want

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to use it, don't use it. Remember words matter, and

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it's easier. It's it's easier just to say something and

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then have to backtrack that it is. Just keep your

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mouth shut and don't burn that bridge. Okay. Now, most

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people don't realize this, that you know, at the end

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of the day, when you make all those attacks, that

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you probably are going to lose opportunities that you never

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even knew you had. You won't even know because the one,

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the one, this one hurts the most because most people

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never realize it's even happening. Okay, you may never get

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a job that you were recommended for. In other words,

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you don't get the job because you weren't even recommended

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or even if you were recommended, somebody in there said

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I wouldn't hire them. Well, you'll never know the reason

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why they're not gonna put that in there. Oh well,

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Johnny said, don't hire you because you're a dick. Maybe

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there's a committee you were you weren't invited to because

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nobody wants to work with you because you run your mouth. Hey,

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I'm guilty of that, But you know what, I do

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that on purpose because I don't like committees. I don't

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want to fly out to Texas anymore or somewhere and

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sit on a committee with a bunch of people that

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pound their chest. That's why I stopped doing the PSI

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stuff and helping with code development panels. I don't I

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don't want, I don't care about that crap anymore. I

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have no interest in it. I'm over it. The younger Paul. Yeah,

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was the younger Paul an a hole from time to time?

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Absolutely he was, And but it was calculated. I knew

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what I was doing. I wasn't burning a bridge. I

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was setting a foundation. Hey, I'm letting you know. Don't

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call me. I don't want to help you, Okay, And

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maybe that's what you do, but I certainly would not

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do that if you're a young apprentice, a journeyman, a master,

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or a business owner, because you're always going to need

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somebody to help you, and if you burn that bridge,

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you don't have that help anymore. How about the partnership

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that passes you up because you're somebody they don't want

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to work with because you started talking smack to somebody

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and it comes back to haunt you, or maybe a

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consulting opportunity that went elsewhere because they just don't want

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to work with you. I know for a fact that

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I have not written any books in a long time

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for a major publishing house because somebody said, yeah, you

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don't want to work with Paul. He's a problem to

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work with when it comes to writing books. And I

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am a problem. I get I honestly, because I have

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a high standard and it's not you know, I don't

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just settle, and so I'm difficult to work with. That's fine.

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I've accepted that. That's not burning a bridge because I

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didn't want that work to begin with. So again, all

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these things, why because decision makers saw some online behavior,

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heard something somebody said, or the person that's in a

472
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,200
position to put you in a position that you want

473
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,240
to be in, you had an interaction with them and

474
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,680
you ranted and you called them names or whatnot. Then

475
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,440
you've burnt that bridge. And here's the thing. All of

476
00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,559
those things, promotion, recommendation committees, consulting gigs, all that kind

477
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,799
of stuff, you'll get no announcement, you'll get no warning,

478
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,799
you'll get no understanding of why you just didn't get called.

479
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:08,480
It's kind of like you're bidding on a job and

480
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,319
you put a good price out there and you never

481
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,279
understand why you didn't get the bid, and it eats

482
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,759
you up right because you're like, I want to know

483
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,839
was I too high? Was I too low? Was I

484
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,240
right in the ballpark? What's the reason you didn't hire me.

485
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,640
It's the same thing here. You're never gonna know why

486
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240
you didn't get that position, you didn't get that promotion,

487
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,720
or why you may have to go back to a

488
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,400
company because you've lost your job where you were at

489
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,559
and you want to go back to the company you

490
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,799
work for. But you burnt that bridge, and you wonder, well,

491
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:43,480
maybe they forgot. They don't forget. Don't burn that bridge.

492
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,079
Now when it comes to social media, the bridge burning machine,

493
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,440
let's talk about the elephant in the room. Social media

494
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,680
has made it dangerously easy to burn bridges instantly. So again,

495
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,799
before social media, it was harder. Okay, you had to

496
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:01,759
pick up the phone, you had to write a letter,

497
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:03,880
you had to say something face to face to burn

498
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,200
that bridge. Okay, it's more interactive now. One emotional post,

499
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,880
one late night rant, one comment typed in frustration, and boom,

500
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,160
permanent record. So I have people, for example, that I've

501
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720
helped out for years, answered questions for them. They know

502
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,319
they could pick up the phone and give me a call.

503
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,559
I stumble on a post in the form and yes,

504
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119
we'll find it. Somebody will share it with somebody else.

505
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,200
It will come to light and I read it and

506
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,960
I go, well, that's good to know. That's good to know.

507
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,599
Don't think you're doing it in a private room and

508
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
somebody won't share something, or they won't screen capture it

509
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,000
and share it with somebody. It's just nature of the beast. Okay,

510
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,279
it's all online. I see something like that, or somebody

511
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,039
else sees something like that, and you realize that bridge

512
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,480
is burnt, and you can act innocent all you want,

513
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,119
but it's right there in black and white. There you

514
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,960
go boom, big mistake, So biggest mistake I see electricians

515
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,359
make online as they'll publicly trash inspectors. They'll mock manufacturers

516
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,559
without any true facts. They don't understand how something's made,

517
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,000
they don't understand the UL standards, they don't understand how

518
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,559
the NEC's developed, and they make stupid ass statements that

519
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
they can't back up. They just say it. They just

520
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,359
make it up. There's no facts behind it. It's just

521
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,640
what they feel, so they put it out there in

522
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,119
an emotional post. They attack educators or code experts acts

523
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:29,079
saying they're dumb, they're stupid, they don't know what they're

524
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:31,480
talking about. Yet they may have only been in the

525
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,279
field a couple of years, or maybe they're an electrician

526
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,759
that's been in the years, fifty years in the field,

527
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,480
but they've only taken one exam and everything else has

528
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,839
been a renewal. And yet all of a sudden, they

529
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,160
think they're their authority on everything. And they've never served

530
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,079
on a code panel, they've never written a book, they've

531
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:48,200
never written an article, they've never done a podcast or

532
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,599
a blog. They've never done anything to give to the industry.

533
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,160
But all of a sudden, they're an expert simply because

534
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240
they hold a license for fifty years. No, sorry, it

535
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,359
doesn't work that way. You could be doing some for

536
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:02,039
fifty years. You can still could be doing it wrong.

537
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440
How do I know? Because I had people come up

538
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,319
to my seminars that say, I don't want to come

539
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,359
to a seminar for continuing education. I've been doing this

540
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,559
for fifty years. The moment they leave, what do they

541
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,279
say to me? They pull me aside and go mister

542
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:18,519
AVNANTY apologize. I learned some new stuff today. Everybody can

543
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:27,279
learn new stuff. Airing customer disputes, publicly posting them online,

544
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,480
arguing with the customer face to face, all of those

545
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,640
things are just not going to be good for your reputation,

546
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:39,160
and it's unnecessary. This is why I teach soft skills,

547
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,240
and that's why I have a lot of consulting gigs

548
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,599
with electrical contractors in how their employees need to deal

549
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,400
with customers. You don't need them sharing any baggage or

550
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:53,400
arguing with the customer. There's a tactful way to do everything. Okay,

551
00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:00,519
post an emotion instead of professionally is a problem. And

552
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,119
this is again why I don't comment online. I just

553
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,559
don't want to get into it. People say, well, Paul

554
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,240
blocks people, he doesn't comment. Damn right, I don't. It's

555
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:13,160
not worth it. Listen. You may feel justified at the

556
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:18,720
moment that you made that Schnike comment, but the Internet

557
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,799
doesn't forget context. It just remembers the behavior. The reason

558
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,920
why I don't post in debates online to try to

559
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,799
until I'm blue in the face try to educate somebody

560
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,799
over and over because they won't listen. It's because the

561
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,759
next person that stumbles onto that conversation are not going

562
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:37,519
to go to the very beginning and read it. All.

563
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,160
People are too lazy for that. How do you think

564
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,279
TikTok got so grows too quickly the little three minutes

565
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,079
because people's attention spans are small. All they do is

566
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,759
see the sensational posts and they start to jump in

567
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,880
there and they form an opinion of somebody, Oh guys,

568
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
it as whole. They didn't read the context of the

569
00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:01,240
entire discussion because people don't do it. And that's the

570
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,559
problem with little minions, and that's the problem with the

571
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,119
people that follow the quote, influencers who spread false and

572
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
misleading information and then get into these little pissing contests,

573
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,440
and the next thing, you know, people stumble on it

574
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,880
and say, yeah, he's right, that guy's a dick, and

575
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
they don't realize it that you're on the wrong You're

576
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,960
riding the wrong horse in this race because you didn't

577
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,599
go back and read the beginning of the conversation. But

578
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,759
people don't do that. But remember the negative comment or

579
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,119
the harassment, or the fight or the argument lingers on

580
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,240
forever on social media. Look the long game of professional

581
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,000
relationships in this industry. The most successful people in the

582
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:46,240
industry understand one thing. This is a long game. In

583
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,880
our trade, we hang around for many, many years. I was,

584
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:51,519
you know, I talked to a gentleman the other day.

585
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,000
He called our office. Talked to him about an hour.

586
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:58,000
He's in his seventies, he's still getting back into the trade.

587
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:00,519
He's been doing it for sixty to fifty or whatever

588
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,599
it is. I mean, just a long freaking time, even

589
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,079
longer than me. And he still loves it. Okay, this

590
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:11,640
is a long game. Careers in the electrical industry can

591
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,279
span decades, not months, not years, but decades, and during

592
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,599
that time, everybody that you're having an argument, everybody you

593
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,759
disagree with, whether you're on the job site helpers, journeymen,

594
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:31,000
other people, other trades, supervisors, jobs, you work for customers. Remember,

595
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:36,039
over time, people's roles changes, positions change, influence shifts from

596
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,880
person to person. People move into leadership roles that were

597
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400
not into leadership at the time you had your confrontation.

598
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:49,480
So today, inspectors, instructors, engineers, manufacturers, reps, committee members, and

599
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,039
maybe just maybe tomorrow's gatekeepers, those folks may be which

600
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,720
they're not today. They may be the gatekeepers of opportunity

601
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,759
for you and your business or for your growth personally,

602
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,640
and you have burnt that bridge. For the life of me,

603
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,920
I would not understand why educators out there on the

604
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440
internet who I've helped through the years feel like they

605
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,920
would get any type of benefit at trashing me online

606
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,360
when they don't even know me. But sadly, that is

607
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,079
where we're at any industry. And I'm just trying to

608
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,719
keep you younger electricians, younger educators who want to build

609
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,880
a name, apprentices, journeymen, masters, want to keep the integrity

610
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,440
you want to own your business. One day, you never

611
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,119
know the inspector you trash may be the building official

612
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,920
down the road and make it very difficult for you

613
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:47,440
to do any work in that town. So it's really

614
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
important that you think about those actions. Now, what to

615
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,199
do instead of burning bridges? Okay, So what should you

616
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,760
do when you disagree with somebody? And again this is

617
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,280
an exercise that again I don't comment block, but this

618
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,920
is what you would do in the real world if

619
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,880
you're an electrician and you're working in the field, whatever

620
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,320
level you're at, when you disagree with somebody, Because disagreements

621
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,599
are going to happen, and here's the professional playbook on

622
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,000
how to do that. Number One, address issues privately first

623
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,880
before you go public. Just pick up the phone, send

624
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,760
a professional email, ask for clarifications, seek understanding. You'd be

625
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,599
amazed at how many conflicts disappear with a very simple discussion.

626
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:33,480
Just talk it out. Okay. Again, we're talking about people

627
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,199
that you may need that you don't want to burn

628
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,199
that bridge, not talking about for me. For example, if

629
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,159
I have another educator and I'm like that's you know,

630
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,480
I was like, well, Paul, you should practice what you preach.

631
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,480
You don't want to burn the bread. There's no educator

632
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,400
out there. I'm going to call for code advice. I stopped.

633
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,239
I didn't need to do that twenty years ago. It's

634
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,760
not that I sit here and say I know everything

635
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,800
here about the cooebook, but I understand how to read it,

636
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,920
interpret it and form an opinion now. And it took

637
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,079
me years to get to that point. So I'm not

638
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,480
burning bridges. I like to keep relationships. For example, me

639
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:13,559
and Mike Hole get along great. Seem to be that

640
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,639
online that people think we don't we get along great?

641
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,480
Do I like Mike's forum? No? I think those moderators

642
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,559
in there are full of crap. I think that they

643
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,960
pound their chest that they Mike should probably get rid

644
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,199
of all of them. But that's that's Mike's form. That

645
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,840
ain't my form. But as far as Mike and Mario

646
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,880
and Brian and all them, they're great people. I get

647
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,480
along with them all the time. Anytime we're at an

648
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,280
event together, we go out to eat or do something.

649
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,639
That's great people. But people like to propagate stuff that's

650
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:43,639
not true. Well why not ask the source? The easiest

651
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,679
thing to do is just ask the source. Okay, pick

652
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,559
up the phone call. It's important. Next stick to the

653
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,280
facts and remove the personal attacks. If you must discuss

654
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,960
something publicly, focus on the technical issues. Cite the code references,

655
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,079
stay professional, try to remove emotion from the discussion. The

656
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:10,159
moment it comes personal that you start damaging your brand.

657
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,679
You can say I agree to disagree the other person's

658
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,880
I would say yes, because you're stupid, you're full of crap.

659
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,199
You don't know anything about the code. They took it personal.

660
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,639
My response to that would be, Okay, you're right, you

661
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,480
know it all. I'm wrong. Ho home, far be it

662
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,199
for me to correct you and then move on. Now

663
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,119
did I do that years ago? Absolutely not. There is

664
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:38,719
a reason why I don't put the strawberry ice cream

665
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000
in my freezer because I know if it's there, I'm

666
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,360
going to eat it. So if I don't comment, and

667
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,519
if I turn off the ability to comment or comment

668
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,719
to people's posts, then what happens is I don't have

669
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,320
the temptation to do it and go down that rabbit hole.

670
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,679
How I'm human, So that's why I do it that way.

671
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,360
I don't need to have I don't need to take

672
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,280
a perfectly good if I share an example of a post,

673
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,280
I don't need five hundred people commenting taking it all

674
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,480
the way to the extreme left or extreme right, or

675
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800
or arguments in there about this guy's wrong, that got's wrong,

676
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,320
or people picking pieces of it and sharing it out

677
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,079
of context. I just don't allow it. You get what

678
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,679
I'm saying. So I'm not gonna get into the banter

679
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,480
back and forth. And it's just it's worked great for me.

680
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:29,480
I've been doing that now for about five years. It

681
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,199
works great that type of thing. Now. I have my

682
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,639
little moments with some home inspectors, but at the end

683
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,599
of the day, yeah, I don't really get back and

684
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,440
forth in it that much anymore. I don't get in

685
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,320
the weeds like I used to that type of thing,

686
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,920
and I had to grow. And I'm saying to you, grow,

687
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,360
you don't need to do that now. Assume you may

688
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,360
need that person later. That's the one is an important

689
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,199
thing to remember when you're getting ready to jump on somebody. Now,

690
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,039
if it's just two electricians that want to fight it

691
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,079
out and that gets you your nipples hard and you

692
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,079
want to go arguing back and forth in a form

693
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,400
and look like idiots, then do do that. You have

694
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,599
had it, that's on you. That's whatever I'm saying. There's

695
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,920
a big difference between that and then burning bridges with

696
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,760
your job, your employers and people that you interact with

697
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,199
every day that could be influential in your success in

698
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,239
the future, or doing that with people in the industry

699
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,400
that may be able to help you, like me and

700
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,280
other people, Mike and all that. Burning those type of

701
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,000
bridges as you climb that ladder to success is really

702
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,280
stupid for you to do that for no reason. There's

703
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,800
no reason to do that. But think about it. So

704
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,239
here's the process that you look at. Here's the golden rule.

705
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Before you post anything, ask yourself this question. What if

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I need this person's help in two years, three years,

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00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,880
one year. Is it possible that this guy is known

708
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enough or this girl is known enough in the industry

709
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that I might need their help on something at some point,

710
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,800
maybe in a committee, or if I need a coding

711
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,679
term inpretation, or I find myself in trouble because life

712
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,000
changes on a whim, right you need an expert witness

713
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,239
on something because you get in you're a contractor, and

714
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you end up getting in a lawsuit and you need

715
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an expert. Who do I call? Well, I can't call

716
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:18,599
that bridge. I burn it, Okay, So ask yourself, will

717
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I need this person's potentially their help sometime later in

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my career. And if that question gives you pause for

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a second to think about it, then it's best to

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not hit that sind button or not hit that post button.

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So ask yourself that before you make some schnikey remark,

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will I need this person's help someday? Now you might

723
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be saying Nope, I don't need this pinhead's help. Ever,

724
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then you do, you boo. But educators, think about that

725
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before you post it. Just remember I'm not here to

726
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be your friend. I don't care whether you like me

727
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,639
or not. So I'm just saying it for your benefit

728
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,079
because I help anybody until they burn that bridge, and

729
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,480
then I just you're dead to me. So if you

730
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,760
don't need me, or you don't need Mike, or you

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don't need other people's help, and you just keep doing you.

732
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But that's educators, that's people that are moving up that ladder.

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When it comes to electricians in the field, plumbers, mechanical,

734
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don't burn those bridges in the field. Be respectful to

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other people you work for, Respectful to your boss, expectful

736
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,840
to the company you work for. Don't leave on bad terms.

737
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Don't burn that bridge. So you always have a place

738
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that you possibly could go back to don't talk shit

739
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to the inspectors. You can disagree and do it professionally

740
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,960
and respectfully, but don't get on their bad side because

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you never know when they may become the head inspector,

742
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,079
when they may be the building official and make your

743
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,400
life miserable night need a referral from them one day.

744
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:38,760
Gonna look kind of bad if you ever have to

745
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,760
go back to somebody and ask for a referral after

746
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,840
you burnt that bridge. Okay, And if you do it

747
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,480
too many times, you're gonna run out of people that

748
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,880
can help you. Because if you have a tendency to

749
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,639
do that with one person, then you probably have a

750
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tendency to do that with more than one person. Right,

751
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:57,360
So think about that now. Protect your professional brand at

752
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,239
all times, whether you realize it or not, you are

753
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,639
building your personal brand every day, every post, every comment,

754
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:08,960
every interaction in the field. Ask your reputation. It adds

755
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
to your reputation in this industry if you carry yourself properly,

756
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,920
and if you carry yourself wrongly say things you're not

757
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,079
supposed to propagate misinformation or falsehoods, or make up lies

758
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,360
or say things, it will follow you. And you need

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00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,840
to be intentional about it. You need to catch yourself

760
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:35,800
and ask yourself. Okay, I know this guy's coworker, but someday,

761
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,880
someday I might need to work for another company and

762
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,039
guess what. He may be the foreman, he may be

763
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:47,519
the owner. Think about it. Is it worth it? Is

764
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:49,360
it worth the spot off your mouth for a little

765
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,599
bit and burn a bridge? Is it really worth it

766
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in the long run? Because I could promise you words

767
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,360
are just words. When people post things on my Facebook

768
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,519
and things like that or on YouTube, nobody's ever going

769
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:07,079
to see the post and you're gonna get deleted. But

770
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,599
if it makes you feel better and you want to

771
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:14,679
keep creating fictitional fiction usernames to keep posting you do

772
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,039
you doesn't bother me. I get a kick out of

773
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,199
the fact that I took that part of your life

774
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,760
away from you, and I laugh. But there's a reason

775
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,079
why I don't allow public comments. There's a reason why

776
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:28,320
I don't get into the debate. And it also gives

777
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,280
me a reason to capture who your username is so

778
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,039
that I can add it to my database, your IP

779
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,840
address and all that stuff to block you from ever

780
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,039
having any ability for you to use any of the

781
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,920
stuff that my company comes out with because one day

782
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,760
you may need it, whether you need an interpretation or

783
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,079
exam prep, or your son needs exam prep, or your

784
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920
significant other needs exam prep or wants to learn the

785
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,360
neec or needs something. I will not be there to

786
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,559
help you. I track all that stuff. Yeah, it's exhausting.

787
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I love it. Okay, so think about that. Now, let's

788
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close this out and say, let me leave you with this.

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In the electrical industry, your knowledge gets you in the door,

790
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,920
but your reputation keeps the doors open. You don't have

791
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,760
to agree with everybody, you don't have to like everybody,

792
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,840
but you need to stay professional because the bridge you

793
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440
burn today may be the one that desperately needs to

794
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,400
be crossed tomorrow. And if you burn it, you're not

795
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,440
crossing it. Folks, if you enjoyed this episode or hit

796
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,039
home with anybody or made you think about it, or

797
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,519
cause you to create a discussion with somebody else in

798
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,159
your company, or having a little discussion with your employees,

799
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,239
and say, look, guys, all of you may not get along,

800
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,239
but don't talk crap about each other. Just do your job,

801
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,800
put your time in, be respectful again, because I want

802
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,079
to be able to openly hire you back someday if

803
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:52,800
you leave me. I want to be able to refer

804
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,800
you to other people. I don't want you to be,

805
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,480
you know, as a troublemaker. Just come and do your job.

806
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,800
You can have these discussions with your employe, and if

807
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,760
you're the employee, you're there to earn your money. If

808
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,079
you disagree with what you get paid, don't openly run

809
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,000
your mouth about it. Negotiated with the company. Other than that,

810
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:12,480
leave on good terms. Go somewhere else because you never

811
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:14,920
know when you may have to come back. Don't burn

812
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,920
that bridge with the inspector, educators, don't burn the bridge

813
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,840
with other people that have paved the way for you,

814
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,920
because you've just burnt the ability to ask questions. Because

815
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,719
I can tell you right now, some of you people

816
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,920
out there that are new to the industry, interpretations that

817
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,400
you're putting out online are incorrect, false and misleading. And

818
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,559
again I'm not going to comment on them because I'm

819
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,519
not going to be that guy. But it'll embarrass you

820
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,920
as you move further into your industry, it will it'll

821
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,400
come back to haunt you. Okay, So just think about

822
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those things. So if you got anything from this folks,

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share it with other electricians, share it with the apprentices,

824
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,239
share the message. Let's keep raising the professionalism of this

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00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,440
industry together. Until next time. Folks, stay sharp, stay professional,

826
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and keep on mastering the Until next time, stay good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning into another electrifying episode of the Master

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of the NEC podcast. We hope you're feeling more powered

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up and ready to tackle the electrical world with the

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00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,039
knowledge and confidence you need to succeed. Remember, in the

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electrical trade, knowledge is power, and we're here to make

832
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:23,960
sure you stay plugged into the latest insights, tips and

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00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:29,360
code updates. If you enjoy today's episode, don't forget to subscribe,

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00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
leave us a review, and share the podcast with your.

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Speaker 1: Fellow electricians and industry pros.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, keep your tools sharp, your circuits clear,

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00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,519
and you're my focused because here at the Master of

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00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:48,039
the NEEC podcast, we're all about sparking your success. Stay safe,

839
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,559
stay smart, and keep mastering the trade. From all of

840
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,360
us here at Electrical Code Academy, Thank you for all

841
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,320
your support and we will see you on the next

842
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:06,800
amazing Master of the NEC podcast episode. So mhm