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Speaker 1: The infinite complating people went to and pro feared about

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their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar dripwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and space.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello everybody, and welcome back to into the Fray.

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On this edition, I welcome Phil on with me, and

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he is out of Georgia, and he sent a beautiful, perfect,

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very exciting email that has basically the background of what

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we're talking about, and then the bullet point list already

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baked into the email. So it was very excited to

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get that. Thank you so much, Phil. So let me

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read a little bit of this intro that you sent

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me in your very first email. And you and your

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wife owned and operated a property management business for over

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twenty six years. You maintain properties all around North Georgia

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and Tennessee hospitals, senior living facilities, schools, retail spaces, offices,

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and of course houses. And you say when you go

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into seventy five hundred plus buildings, you will tend to

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cross paths with the unknown from time to time, whether

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you're trying to or not. That part made me smile.

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And good good news for us is that you would

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record as much as you could when this would occur.

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Speaker 3: Right, And.

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Speaker 2: Just to kind of set this up, you say that

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some things were baffling and downright eerie, and all of

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these experiences were happening around not only yourself, but all

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the crews and the contractors that you've had working with

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you over the years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, you know, when you're in that kind

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of business, you have multiple trades. I mean you have electricians,

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you have plumbers, you know, you have carpenters. You know,

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you have painters, and you you don't have all of

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this stuff you do in house. You find ten ninety nine,

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you found subcontractors. So with all of these people showing

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up at properties from time to time, they would come

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to me with something strange. Now, the way I always

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the way I did it was I always recorded it

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in first person, just like I would if I was

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asked by a policeman, how right, give me a testimony,

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give me a statement for what you just saw. So

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for me, because I know we can't remember everything, we

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can't over one hundred and seventy three stories, I'd like

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to say encounters our accounts, not stories, because these were

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all given to me or I witness to myself. Are

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they happened at one of the properties that we happen

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to manage. So it's not like the stories I'm getting

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from these people were from housing they been into, or

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a hospital or anything. So I had firsthand knowledge of

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these properties, so I knew where the bedrooms were, I

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knew where certain things work, and I would I would

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always as soon as they would tell me right then

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I'd go ahead and document it. I would get it

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while the facts were still absolutely fresh, no fabrication, no

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no variables added in there to make it sound better,

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or because we trace it, we have what's called trace decay.

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We cannot remember everything. If I try to remember something,

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I can't even remember what I had for lunch last Monday.

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So if I'm trying to remember a a something supernatural,

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are ghostly or cryptied, I'm not going to remember it

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three years from now. If I do it, maybe all

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I saw a bigfoot and then everything else I have

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to fill in the blanks, and that's that's no way

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to research or anything like that. If you notice on

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the list I sent you didn't give you all the

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details I just showed. I gave you the date it

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was done and the time and the month. But on

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my end, I've also got what the temperature was that day,

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what the bury metric pressure was that day, what the

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uh uh uh we call it the uh the uh

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if if there was like a heat index, I would

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put down what it what it was, and what it

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felt like. I had as much information as I could,

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because my intent was to come up with some sort

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of some sort of database where if I put all

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this in. I still haven't figured out how to do

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it that I could say, all right, here's a pattern.

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in the afternoon. You know the new point is sixty.

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possible so I could somehow put that all together and

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somehow have have something that was consistent or of some

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Speaker 4: And I.

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Speaker 3: Know how important it is important it is to make

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things factual. You know, Fabrication doesn't do anything for us

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except make it more mysterious. Even though some of these

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stories may not be exciting, are totally terrifying that. Nonetheless,

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they are still baffling. And I even recorded just the

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opening and closing doors and things like that. But in

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the construction bususiness, doors opening and closing and tools lost

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and tools missing, that's just part of job. But I

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still recorded it just in case something else happened. You

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know what, two weeks ago the doors opened and closed.

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part of what we That door might have been part

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of what what's happening now. And I just wanted to

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be as clean with my details, and even some of

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them that do not fit what I believe, I still

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put those thoughts in there, and those those points in there,

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those facts I didn't I know, I don't ever want

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to have any confirmational bias just just because I believe.

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I don't want to try to make a story fit

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my narrative just because I want to do it, you know. Yeah,

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in other words, I'm dibidding myself. You know. Wait, you

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know I've got I've got the facts, I've got things

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that don't follow up. Now, if you notice with these

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stories here, they're all over the plains, I mean, they're

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in they're in Georgia. I don't know. Yeah, I've got

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one North Carolina in here, I believe, yep, and uh

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these are all and what I found, let me get

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me drop it to uh. I see everything through the

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lens of a builder. I've been building all of my life.

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As far back as my memory takes me, I've been

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a builder. So how do I see things? Well, I'm

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driving down the road and I see a bridge. I

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look at how that bridge is made, and I think,

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all right, why do they do that? Okay, that's why

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they did it. I go into a house, I see

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certain uh details and structural things, say why they did

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it that way? Then I say, oh, that's a great idea,

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or that's a bad idea. I do the same thing

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when I when it comes to the paranormen, to the

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cryptied world. Uh. If if I read somebody's story about

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a bigfoot showing up in their backyard, I'm thinking, Okay,

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why why with why would bigfoot show up in his

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back yard? Why would this apex preditor of apex creature

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get so close to people who discover and destroy everything?

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They what we do? So, I mean, my questions always

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why why why would it show up? Why? Would I

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why would this? These things happen in these houses?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: And then because I asked the question why, I always try.

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I tried to find out in my I try and

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run through my processor and find out why. Sometimes I

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have a theory. Sometimes I don't, you know, And that's fine.

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we have a strange question and we have even a

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stranger answer.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Uh me, I'm a flesh and blood guy when it

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comes to big pill. You know, I don't. I don't

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understand the portals, the thin veils, and the bore texas.

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I don't understand in that because once, once you say,

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all right, Bigfoot disappears in the portal, all right, all right,

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gonna portal in portal out. Well, I don't even know

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what a portal is. I might as well stop. But

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you know, why does Bigfoots track just seem to stop

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where it's at? Well, he walks through a vortex. Uh,

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no one ever thinks about, Okay, why would he stop? Well,

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maybe he's taking a big jump. I mean we jump

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over water, we jump over ditches, we we jump over

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leaf across the field. You know, why are you know happen?

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Why do why do ghost opening closed doors? Why do

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they want to blow cold air in our face? Why

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do they want to catch your shoulders? Is that all

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they can do? I mean, you saw a picture that

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I sent you of that face in the window. Now

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I'll give you this on that face. When I take pictures,

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I take take them in in threes one, two, three,

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and then I picked the best of the three, and

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that's what I use on this particular particular picture. For example,

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I took three shots. The first two shots there was

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no face. The third shot is face showing up. So

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if you can for me on my end, you could

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probably mark off Paradegia right because it didn't show up

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in the first two shots. I did not move over

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five feet ten feet or move back and forth. I

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stood in the same spot. And this particular place here,

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it's an old funeral home, and it's two stories with

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a full basement. And of course, you know on a

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funeral home, if there's a basement, that's where all the

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bad stuff takes place, you know. And it's been empty

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like most of all of them are, and I guess

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they just got tired of it and shuttered it. But

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old buildings, and I saw it, so, you know what,

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for years and years and years. I better document this

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this building before it's gone. And that's what I did.

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on these windows. I thought wow. And if you look,

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handlebar and mustache, and you also notice what I What

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black coat. And what I see is what you might

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what you know, what a man would look like, how

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I saw that, it was like, wow, that's that's proved me.

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want to jump into these stories, they're not any kind

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of order. You can just randomly jump around or you

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this up, and I'm showing the pictures for anybody that's

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watching on Patreon or on YouTube. Of course is the

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video version, and I will put the pictures in the

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show notes on the website into the Fray radio dot

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com for this episode if you don't watch the videos

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and you listen to the audio only and want to

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see the pictures. But Phil, for this one. Now, you

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know a lot of people can be shown the same

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photo and see, you know, ten people, ten different things.

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my mind gravitated to the up and left. That white

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portion almost looks like a woman, but like behind the

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figure that you are kind of talking about with possibly

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a handlebar mustache. That's where my brain went was, Oh,

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a distinctive nose in what looks like eyes, and like,

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I don't want to me, I don't know if I'm

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just seeing what I want to see, but it looks

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like there's a black coat. And you know, back then

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in that business, you would have worn black you know,

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today they try to be a little less gloomy and

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they wear you know, maroon or something else. But back

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then it would have been black. Now, why why this

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thing decided to do? Uh? Come out for me? I

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don't know. I keep asking why uh? And maybe maybe

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it's just because there's no building lovers out there like me.

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And he said, you know why us go ahead and

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give this guy a look. But uh, I didn't. I

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need to send it to you. But on the far

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there is I on the very the very the third

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window down from the canopy. I'll have to zoom. I

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have to send you close after that. But there's a

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you can see a light in the window. H this

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place is this place has been shuttered for over thirty years.

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There's no power, there's no water, there's no reason. And

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have to show you that there's one spec of light.

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orb uh. So I really don't know if it's just

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a reflection off of something else. But that I try

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not to make a quick uh judgment caller, try to

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you know, right, what could it be before? I just

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and if it's like if if there's one thing that

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it could be, well, it's the there's a question mark,

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So is it or is it not? So that right now?

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immediately to the left of the awning?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, to the Uh you see that? Go back? Do

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you see the telephone pole?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Huh that's the window right, yeah, because I was kind

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of checking out the h the old bush in one

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of these these photos. Here is that same little bush

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down there. So I just so that folks can go, oh,

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well that, you know, maybe they want to try to

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zoom in on their own. It's it's that one just

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to the left. So this places in Chattanooga, Tennessee shut

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It's been shuttered for thirty years. That's kind of is

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that a normal thing for that area where buildings will

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sit empty for that long and not torn down or repurposed.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Well, let's Chattanooga was an old steel town and

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there was a lot of foundries here and a lot

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of knitting mills in the industry, and this particular building

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here was in an area that is heavily trafficked. In fact,

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right behind it, it's probably two hundred feet from an

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interstate a busy interstate overpass, so uh. And out here

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to the left, that's that's a street, and it's about

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it's about six feet from the road. It's heavily trafficked.

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and that's what happened to this neighborhood back in the

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field fifties and sixties. It became a rough neighbors But

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if you were trying to use even if you try

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to use it for housing condos or something, you could

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not deal with the noise. So that may have been

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why it was shuttered. And it could have been that

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the next generation has just decided, you know what, we

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don't want to be in this business, because if you

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talk to most funeral home businesses, you're usually talking to

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a second, third, or fourth generation. The family just keeps

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right on going with it. And this particular one here,

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the second floor is where the family lived at that

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was living quarters. The public space was the first floor,

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and of course the basement floor was where all of

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the prep came what was done down in the first floor,

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in the basement floor, So I would love to it

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off in there. And I did talk to right behind

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it is a scrap yard side of the yard, and

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I talked to one of the people who worked there,

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and he told me that because I want to I

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want to do. I want to try to track down

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the owner and see about let me letting me go

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in there. Uh. And he was telling me that they

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had seen and heard things inside of this building and

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that worked next to it, so even the owner. Uh,

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I haven't met the owner, but he told me that

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the owner had experienced stuff inside this building too.

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Speaker 2: What what sorts of things was he experiencing.

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Speaker 3: Uh, they were hearing stuff inside the building, like organ music,

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you know. Uh, you know, if you having a funeral service,

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sometimes you'll have an organ player. And back then that

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was probably just a given that they were going to

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have an organ player, and they would hear stuff like that.

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And occasionally they might see something across the window or

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a banging on the door. Uh, just things that they

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weren't they were just walking by, you know, just maybe

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going outside of smoke cigarette or something to hear something

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see something, and you know I scratched their head and

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back in say something else again, like for like for me,

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when I encounter something like that, I want to get

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a closer look. It's like, for example, if I if

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I'm ever in a building when I was doing that business,

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I heard something, I would make my way to that sound.

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I wouldn't run. I would be deliberate with each footstep.

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Basically I was trying to be quiet and that way,

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if anything else happened, I could hear on my way

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and I wasn't running. And if something has come up,

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I didn't you know, sound it out footfalls? Yeah yeah.

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So but to me, when you if you do come

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and if you ever ever do that, have that happen,

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you know you need to take advantage of it because

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it may be that you can walk up on something

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that you've been looking for instead of jumping out of

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your skin and jumping out a window.

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Speaker 2: So, Phil, before you go, before we hit because I

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think we'll probably just loop back up and hit number

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one first, we may as well go down the line.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Have you and your wife always kind of been into

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the paranormal, even before your very first encounter while you're

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doing your.

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Speaker 3: Work, Well, there's three, there's three different I think there's

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three different camps when it comes to the paranormal. They're

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the people who believe in doubt. Well, I believe, but

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I also doubt some of the things I hear because

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I know we are we are. We tend to fabricate

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stuff for entertainment. I mean a couple of years ago,

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I was in Blue Ridge, Georgia with some uh bigfoot

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groups over there, and we found out that a couple

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of these groups had been talking to each other with

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baseball bats and whoops, they'd been talking to each other

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for a month. But anyway, get over there. I saw

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one guy said I saw bigfoot over on the East Ridge.

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Another guy says, well, I saw too, and then the

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next guy tries to up do the last guy. So

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it's up, up, up up. So when I hear that,

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I think, well, by the time we get to the top,

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I'm all right, I doubt it, but I still I

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still try to believe everything everybody says. And then there's

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the skeptics, right, the skeptics honestly believe. Skeptics believe, they

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just don't want to use the word believe. So how

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do you how do you hide? You hide behind the

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word skeptics because some of your people may say, oh,

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this guy's lost his mind. Well, no, I'm a skeptic

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when he actually believe. And then the third camp is

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the absolutely nots. And my wife is an absolutely not

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you know. Uh. In me, I'm an absolutely yes. I do.

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I do doubt some of what I do here because

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I mean, just face it, think some things are fabricated,

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you know, and that that's gonna be the great thing

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about AI. We're gonna we are going to be able

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to determine, uh, probably based on like the old black box, uh,

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if it's true or not, based on what AI comes

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up with from a voice analyzer. And people say, oh, Phil,

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what's gonna happen when AI start? Because AI will be

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able to tell us if it's an AI video. And

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let's say I can fool itself, you know, so I

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don't see uh, I don't see that ever being a

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prime fact. Let's see it being great because with something

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like AI, we can tell if if if a video

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has been you know, cut, stopped or anything else. I mean,

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people in people of your business y'all can look at

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a video and see where there may be a cut.

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I can't, but you have you guys have that ability

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to do that. Uh, but AI is going to be

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able to tell.

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Speaker 2: Us yeah, less unless and this is getting really far

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down a conspiratorial vein. But unless, because you know, the

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the claim is that AI can become sentient and they're

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like the one that supposedly learned how to make sure

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that the humans on this side of things couldn't shut

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it down anyway. I don't know if that's one hundred

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percent true, but you know what if the AI could

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decide to lie because you're you're saying, oh, is this

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AI and this it could be even even a different

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program if we get to that point and this program

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goes no, no, no, that's not AI because it has

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the other AIS back. Now that's going way way down

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the path of conspiracies. But yeah, there are incredible channels

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and people like I watch Beardo Get Scared. He does

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heavy more just straight ghosts type of videos, and he

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is incredible, as you say, at picking out where there's

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a cut, where there's an ad in, where there's anything

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edited in or out of a video. I don't have

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that kind of an eye, but that's why I try

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to watch folks like that because they're so they're so

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adept at that kind of a thing, and we need

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more of that. I don't need. We don't need, like

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you say, the one hundred percent, like the scoffticks who

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will never listen. Some are are they're that far down

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the path where they don't want to listen to anything

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at all, And that's okay, that is their prerogative. But

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I think being skeptical, all of us should have at

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least a level of that, because then if you're not careful,

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then everything's a bigfoot or everything as a ghost. As

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you say, you notice that there's two different teams not

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getting whooping back at each other. And that can happen,

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especially in a place like Salt Fork where heck, there's

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a campground named Bigfoot Ridge and it's the primitive side

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of things, of the primitive campground.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: There's a lake in between all of this. These different

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campgrounds and sounds carry incredibly and people, I think they

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get a little little bit Bigfoot on the brain and

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everything is the old Bigfoot. So has your wife ever

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had a strange experience, maybe even with you when you

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guys are walking around a property or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Now, basically when we were doing that work, she was

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the inside person and I was the outside person. So

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she really didn't go to a whole lot of properties,

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and once she did, it was full of people. You know.

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I didn't want her going to properties by herself, and

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so she never was exposed like I was. I went

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to every one of them at least one time. That's

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a lot of houses. That's a lot of buildings. That's

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a lot. And you know something else, all of these

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encounters that I'm gonna read to you, we when we

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went to a house, we never had a backstory. Still don't.

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I don't know anything about these properties. I just know

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what happened to us right there was because to me,

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backstories kind of set the route of your investigation, and

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this wasn't an investigation. These happened we basically we stumbled

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upon these things. We didn't We weren't looking for them,

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We weren't trying to Our job was to get in,

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get these properties ready to sell, ready to rent, ready

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to lease whatever. We weren't there to put a certificate

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on wall that this thing is haunted. You know, that

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was the last thing. But I'm also uh, I mean,

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I have no I have absolutely no psychic abilities. I

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have no sensitive abilities. Only thing I have is some

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street smarts and uh and in the building background. That's

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all I have, and that's how I look at everything.

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But when things do happen, I recognize it. You know,

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say like say like if I walk through a house

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and there's a there's an island, and there's a magazine

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with the cover up. Now if I walk past that

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magazine in the covers down, I noticed that something, something's

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been moved. And it's like if I went into a

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house this week and then I went to the same

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house last week and something was missing or moved, I

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would I would recognize it. I mean I wonder, I

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was think if someone broke in this house, has somebody

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else been in here or what moved? Now, for me,

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it never was the paranormal. You know, a ghost come

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in here and read the magazine and just throw it

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back down on the counter. But in the paranormal world,

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if you see something that doesn't fit, that's when you

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want to take a closer look. You want to study it.

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And for me, I think the biggest the best censors,

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uh sensitive people in the paranormal world are every one

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of us we all have some sort of built in

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alarm system. Hey, maybe I shouldn't walk down that alley,

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you know, Uh, maybe I shouldn't go in that back bedroom.

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And and it's like, I don't know, people might call

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it sixth sense, but I believe that that we all

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have that ability to to figure out pay this just

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not right here. And it may be it may not

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be para normally, but maybe some carbon based, you know,

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tweaker in the back bedroom that could do some harm

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to you.

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Speaker 2: But I think that that is much much scarier than

476
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the paranormal, honestly, is the random people that I'm sure

477
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,880
that you have run into in some of these buildings. Well, Phil,

478
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,039
let's jump in here. Let's jump into number one, and

479
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,359
this is in uh I'm assuming is it okay? If

480
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,319
I read also the city along with the state, is

481
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:36,839
it okay? Okay? So Cartersville, Georgia. And this one is

482
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640
titled Gerald.

483
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: All right. Gerald Jerald was a He was a gentleman

484
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,319
that lived in a on a street where a couple

485
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:54,240
of guys that worked for me lived. And Gerald had

486
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,319
a traumatic brain injury and he's he was also suffered

487
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:02,119
from schizophrenia, but he was he was still quite intelligent,

488
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,720
and he had a degree in literature and he still

489
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:10,759
had a really good command on literature. And uh, he

490
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,640
was he was pitiful, I mean he was. He He

491
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,359
had a conservator that that kept him in the house

492
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,319
and kept food coming his way because he was not

493
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,160
able to take care of himself like that. But anyway

494
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,359
he would. He would occasionally come with those two guys

495
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,640
and hang out with us, right, and they would always

496
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,680
call mess Haken Gerald come to day. I said, sure,

497
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,480
well on this on this day here, Uh we had

498
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,480
a project in Carsfield, Georgia, and they call hims Hake

499
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,759
and Gerald go with us. I said sure. And the

500
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,880
way it worked with Gerald was he was constantly talking

501
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,119
to someone we couldn't see, constantly and he was he

502
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160
was constantly apologizing to me about it, and I said, Jerald,

503
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,960
don't worry about it. And we got to this property

504
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,119
and we were doing out. I had a crew to

505
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,720
doing some work outside and they told me. I said, well,

506
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,400
I told the crew, I said, you make sure and

507
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,599
put Gerald inside the house. Turn the air on. So

508
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,519
we had the power turned on there because we had

509
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,400
the house. So put him in the house, give him

510
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,640
a chair, don't do not let him go outside and

511
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,920
get too hot because you had a part condition. And

512
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,240
he went inside and I was in the area, so

513
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,400
I can't. I went by to check on the job

514
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,400
and I went inside the house to uh check on Gerald,

515
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,119
and I opened the door and he was talking. Now

516
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:35,599
one of the things I always did with Jerald, I

517
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,119
always said, Gerald, who you talking to? Because sometimes he

518
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,400
may have been talking to me and he would tell

519
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920
me he would he would blurt out a name, okay,

520
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,960
And this particular Dad went inside and he told me

521
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,880
who he's talking to. And I said, cool, if you

522
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
just you know, stay in here, do not go outside.

523
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,759
Is too hot. Well, that night, See, every day I

524
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,160
worked long hours. I'd get up early to get in late.

525
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,000
That evening, when I got home, I went into my

526
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,880
home office and I was bloating up pictures and I

527
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,119
was invoicing and stuff like that. And I always go

528
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960
to the tax site for these properties to so I

529
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,680
can get a what the lot size is. And this

530
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:23,640
house was totally empty, nothing in it, just clean, you know,

531
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,480
ready to move in. And I was looking on the

532
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,079
tax site and I was looking and it gives you

533
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,839
a list of owners and the name the last owner

534
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,440
of the name showed up and that was the very

535
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:41,960
name that Gerald told me he was talking to. So

536
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,720
I just did the old head scratch, you know. And

537
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,279
a couple of weeks later I saw Jerald and I say, Gerald,

538
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,359
the guy you were talking to in Cartersville, did you

539
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,720
are you? Do you still talk to him? He said, no, Phil,

540
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:04,480
he lives in that house. And there was no no

541
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:11,799
pictures on the wall, no uh mail, no mailbox. And

542
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,319
I looked up and you obitu worries and the person

543
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:22,599
he was talking to was deceased in the house. Gerald

544
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:29,200
somehow through his schizophrenia, had been talking to the deceased

545
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,240
last honor and uh, he was whoa, you know that's

546
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,720
a that's that's pretty serious. Not to mention it's a

547
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,240
head scratcher on top of that. And uh, I asked him,

548
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,920
said I asked him a couple of weeks Layers said,

549
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,559
you still have you still keeping up that guy? He said, nope,

550
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,920
he he doesn't leave that house down there Field. I said, well, Gerald, uh,

551
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:56,640
maybe I need to take you more often.

552
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any way that that Gerald would

553
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,200
have known who who lived there, maybe actually did know

554
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:05,400
him before he passed?

555
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:13,119
Speaker 3: No? The house had been deep cleaned. There was absolutely nothing,

556
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,920
no mail, no magazines, nothing that would have anybody's name

557
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,400
on it. There was no name. There was no mailbox,

558
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,559
so there was no name on the mailbox. Uh. The

559
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,079
guys that were that worked for me there, they don't

560
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,519
care who lived there, so they're not worried about it.

561
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:36,159
But Gerald just somehow the other tapped into this guy.

562
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Do you recall what kinds of things? Do you recall

563
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,440
what kinds of things he was saying to this this

564
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:43,360
passed on owner.

565
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 3: No, not really, because when I walk in, it's just

566
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,840
when you have someone talking to themselves, basically, it's hard

567
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
to discern what conversation they're having, you know, because there's

568
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,119
nothing coming back. I just heard. I walked in and

569
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,519
heard him talking talking to me, Jerald. He stopped talking

570
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:11,039
at that point to whoever, and he went to talking

571
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:11,239
to me.

572
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,159
Speaker 2: Do you think that his TBI made it to where

573
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,920
maybe he's more of a receiver for strange things and

574
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,760
communication with the other side.

575
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: I think so that coupled with his schizophrenium already already

576
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,159
seeing things that aren't there. I mean, we all assume,

577
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,039
of course, this is another one of those may way

578
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,880
out there things. We all assume that people who are

579
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,840
schizophrenia are talking to people who that don't exist. We

580
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,199
don't know, right, they could be talking to someone, you know,

581
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,760
that's just that's one of those way way way way

582
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,760
out there. Yeah theories.

583
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that we won't be able to answer, and

584
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,159
we don't know, but it is interesting to speculate.

585
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

586
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,119
Speaker 2: So the bulletpoint two is April of twenty twenty two,

587
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,599
and this is titled William and this is Fort Oglethorpe

588
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,599
in Georgia.

589
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, William, we called him will and my

590
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,000
wife had come across. My wife is an excellent business

591
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:18,440
woman and also excellent with real estate. She came across

592
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,039
the property that had three houses on it and they

593
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,239
were all all three houses were the exact same white,

594
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,599
two bedroom, one bath on the same property. Good price,

595
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:39,039
excellent rental property, excellent investment property. She purchased it and

596
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,599
it already had a couple of tenants. The houses were

597
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,239
about about twenty feet apart. The house on the left

598
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,039
was occupied, the house on the far right was occupied,

599
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,760
and the middle house was vacant. And you know these

600
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,280
in the neighborhood. This was in you were you were

601
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,440
not going to get a lieutenants that had credit or

602
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,480
not didn't have some sort of criminal background. That's just

603
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,840
how it was. But the guy on the far right,

604
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,800
his name was Eric, and Will was on the far left.

605
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,599
Will had his girlfriend, Renee in there with him. He

606
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:24,719
had his Renee's son, Zach, who was twenty three at

607
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,760
the time. Eric on the far right had his He

608
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,599
was either his wife or his girlfriend. I think it

609
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,280
was his girlfriend, and and they all cohabitated and they

610
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,079
got along well. I ended up putting Will to work.

611
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,800
He worked for me. I ended up putting Eric to

612
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,199
work for me part time. So it was a win

613
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,800
win for me in my wife because you know what

614
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
we're going were are rents guaranteed because these guys worked

615
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,079
for us, and everything was, you know, rocking along there.

616
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:06,559
And all of a sudden, Eric's girlfriend she had a

617
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:12,599
miscarriage and then she her Eric don't get along since

618
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,280
she moves out, Well, Eric takes up, he takes a spin.

619
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
I mean he just goes he goes off the off

620
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:25,639
the chart, Yeah, and he's just unconsolable and just doing

621
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:30,760
stupid stuff. And then one morning Will wakes up and

622
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,400
he finds Eric in the front yard. He's been beat

623
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,039
to death with a ham So Eric was murdered in

624
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:43,400
the front yard. And of course, because Eric was you know,

625
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,360
wasn't considered a citizen because of his criminal background, there

626
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,519
was absolutely no investigation, you know, you know, his his life,

627
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,920
what caused it? Never that?

628
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: Was it?

629
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 3: All?

630
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: Right?

631
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 3: Eric? What's gone? And both these guys had always told

632
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,519
me that there was something going on in the in

633
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,480
the house in the middle, that they could hear stuff

634
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,119
in there at night, stuff moving around. And the house

635
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:13,239
was totally empty and totally but well, and we moved

636
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,599
to will Well. Will's girlfriend, Renee has a stroke. She

637
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800
stays in the house all day long by ourself, so

638
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,840
she suffers from some irreversible dammage. She has to go

639
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,639
to a nursing home. And because of that, Will and

640
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,239
her son, Zach did not get along. Zach was a

641
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,159
good kid, he just had the wrong parents. So I

642
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,760
let Zach say in the house in the middle, and

643
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,039
Zach was working for me, Well, all of a sudden,

644
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Will one day at work he just locks up, I mean,

645
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,920
his back just absolutely brings him to his stopping point,

646
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,079
to his knees. He can't get up. He goes to

647
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:03,039
the emergency room. He finds out that he's got cancer.

648
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:07,199
And they say six weeks and Will was a great,

649
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,480
great guy. Six weeks well, he was gone. In three

650
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:17,679
three weeks he died in the house and he was gone. Well,

651
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,960
and it's Zach. Zach is what's left. And then Zach

652
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,800
he od's on fentanyl in the house, on the property.

653
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,719
So now we've had all of this tragedy within six

654
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,840
that's about. Let me see here six months. And I

655
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,559
went to my wife and I told her, I said,

656
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,840
you need to sell that property. Can you sell it

657
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
as quick as you can? Why? And I told her,

658
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,000
you know, she already knew, but she just didn't put

659
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,679
line everything up. You know, property is a property. There's

660
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,480
nothing wrong with people die all And I said you

661
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,880
need to sell it. And she said why. I told her.

662
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239
She said, are you superstitious? I said, I am out.

663
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,320
I said, you need to get rid of that property.

664
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,719
So she found a buyer. Within like two weeks, the

665
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,480
new buyar, the potential bar came by and I met

666
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,039
him over with the property, show him around, and he said,

667
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,039
of course. The main question people always ask you is

668
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,960
why why are you getting Why are you getting rid

669
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
of the property. It's such a good and I just

670
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,280
was gave him full disclosure. I told him everything that happened,

671
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,920
and he was a one you know, I don't I

672
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,960
don't entertain anything, and h okay, cool, you'll this property's

673
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,039
idea for you. And I said, what are you gonna

674
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,679
do it? He said, oh, I'm I'll fix it up.

675
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,760
I will end it to some of my family, and

676
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,760
and uh and uh. A month later, month and month's

677
00:41:52,760 --> 00:42:00,119
se here. A month later he has a stroke and

678
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,400
his plans for that property came to a screeching halt.

679
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:11,039
And do I think it's part of what happened when

680
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:15,639
I owned it. I don't know. It just seemed to

681
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,559
be and it could all be just coincidence, but to me,

682
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,239
there was too much of a It just kept going

683
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,960
and going and going and going. It wasn't topping point.

684
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,639
And today sometimes I will be in that neighborhood, just

685
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,119
drive by. It's empty. All three houses are falling apart.

686
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
I guess whatever plans were pard. I looked on the

687
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:44,800
tax part. He still owns the house, but for whatever reason,

688
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,000
he never let family move to it. Why I don't know.

689
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:54,280
He didn't go in on the market. But to kind

690
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,840
of add a little bit more detail to this. About

691
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,159
three blocks away from this house is the Chickamauga Battlefield,

692
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,480
which was the site of the second bloodiest battle of

693
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:13,159
the Civil War, Gettysburg being first with fifty thousand casualties,

694
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,280
Chickamauga being second with thirty thousand casualties. And you can

695
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:25,320
see the battlefield from property. And from there, about two

696
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,519
blocks away was a hospital that had been there since

697
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:36,599
the forties, since the World War Two, and then not

698
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,920
far from there was a German pow camp. The facts

699
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,920
Eric was killed in the property, Eric's girlfriend had a

700
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,719
miscarriage on the property, zach overdosed on the property. Will

701
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,000
died of cancer on the property. Renee had a stroke

702
00:43:56,039 --> 00:44:00,880
on the property. All of these people that effected on

703
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:07,480
that property, we're all under thirty five years old. A

704
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,000
couple of them were in their twenties. So, you know,

705
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,320
is that part of it the age bracket? Is it

706
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,920
what you know and the facts are, it's three blocks

707
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,559
away from a tragic battle. Is it all just some

708
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,840
coincidence or is there was there something behind it? More sinister?

709
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,519
That's one of those questions I'll never be able to answer.

710
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: It is pretty incredible that they were all so young

711
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,360
and had all these these very tragic things, and all

712
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,880
very different tragic things happened. That's a classic case of

713
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
is it the house or is it the land? I mean,

714
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,840
I would lean towards what happened on that land and

715
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,599
surrounding land. But that's just me, Okay. So now we

716
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,559
are going to talk about Bigfoot. And this is December

717
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,920
of two thousand and two ten and this is in

718
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:03,599
Union County, Georgia.

719
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: Yes, this property here was about ten miles off the highway.

720
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,079
The house was roughly twelve thousand square feet, which is

721
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:23,360
a big house. That's a big house. It was located

722
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,480
right in the mouth of a canyon. It had a

723
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:33,639
very It had a ten foot iron fence around the property,

724
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,960
about one hundred and fifty feet from the house, so

725
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,880
the fence was pretty close to the house, and it

726
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,840
was ten feet tall, and every twenty feet was a

727
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,719
massive rock column, and then there was a twenty foot

728
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,480
gate consisting of two ten foot gates that came in

729
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,760
the middle. I went to the property the first time

730
00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:01,559
by myself, and the gate had a large chain that

731
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,880
was wrapped around two gates with a large lock. These

732
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,639
locks weren't your basic locks. It wasn't your basic chains.

733
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,800
These were hard and steel. You're not going to take

734
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,639
a pair of boat cutters. You're gonna have to take

735
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:20,519
a torch or a heavy, heavy, you know, good expensive blade. So, uh,

736
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,760
when I saw that, I saw the house back there,

737
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,440
and the house really didn't fit the the woods. You know,

738
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,960
most people when they build a house out like that,

739
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840
they build a log cabin or they build a rock house.

740
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,440
This was a white, two story house. It just didn't.

741
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:43,199
So of course, me being the you know, the guy

742
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,000
that pays attention to detail, the first thing I thought

743
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,079
of when I saw this chain wrapped around there, I

744
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:52,960
thought about, uh, you know why why so much chain?

745
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,920
And why you know why why a tenth fence? You

746
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,840
know why, because most time you don't even see a

747
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,440
it's at all. And I unlocked it. I went and

748
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:08,599
went inside there, and I went inside the house and

749
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:12,679
it was fully furnished. The place was supposed to be

750
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,679
a second home for it was from a businessman out

751
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,400
of Atlanta, but it was never lived in. It might

752
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,760
have been used, you know, a weekend and a weekend there,

753
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:28,320
but it was still fully furnished. The last property management

754
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,039
crew had kept it clean, you know, so it was

755
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,320
it was deep cleaned, and they just decided to go

756
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,199
with let us take care of it. And I did

757
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,360
a quick walk through and on the backside of the

758
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,320
property there was another twenty foot gate that led out

759
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,000
to a clearing where there was a one one to

760
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,960
two acre pond. And at the pond, the pond was

761
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
spring fed, so the water was really nice and clear.

762
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,480
And uh, next to the pond, about fifty feet from

763
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,159
the water, there was a burn pit and there was

764
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:11,760
Adirondack chairs circling the burn pit. Okay, cool. Well. One

765
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,719
of the things that we do for a house, any house,

766
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,719
is we do what's called a system check. That's where

767
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,400
we go through and make sure everything works. The heat pumps,

768
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,280
the water heaters, all of the circuits, the appliances, if

769
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,199
they have them, it's it's say it's it's we do

770
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,719
a thorough, thorough check. If there's anything wrong with the

771
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,719
electrical we fix it. Plumbing, we fix it. So a

772
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,440
twelve thousand square foot house, that's a lot of system check.

773
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,719
You know, we're talking eight eight bedrooms, ten bathrooms, a kitchen,

774
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,039
the size of a house. So I reached out to

775
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,159
the to the asset manager. I said, hey, I want

776
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:55,880
to do it. I want to do a system check here,

777
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,199
but I want to spend the weekend here to do it. Sure,

778
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,199
he gave me the They gave me the okay, so

779
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,400
I got it. Was my wife and I and we

780
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:08,440
got my two brother in laws and sister in laws.

781
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,440
All right, we're gonna spend a weekend in a twelve

782
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,320
thousand square foot house over and in the Union County,

783
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,800
and uh, okay, it sounds like fun. So we did

784
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,760
you know? We went there. We got all settled in,

785
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,960
and uh, my two brothers in laws and I we decide,

786
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,519
you know what, We're gonna go down and built was

787
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:31,559
a fire in the fire pit. We're gonna sit those

788
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:33,519
at here on that chairs. We're gonna sit there and

789
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:36,760
we're gonna tell lies to each other and and they're

790
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,880
gonna drink their craft beer. I'm gonna be drinking a soda.

791
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,519
And uh, of course it was in December, so it's chili,

792
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,039
it's cold, it's a little cool, and they're sitting there,

793
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,719
they're talking about Georgia football and I'm I'm facing the water.

794
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,960
I'm looking toward the water, and for some reason, I'm

795
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,840
just it's just I'm just looking get this water and

796
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,199
it's just as smooth as can be. I mean, there's

797
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,880
not one ripple in this water. And I'm just sitting

798
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,639
and thinking, Wow, this just seems really really really odd,

799
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,440
and it was odd, but it was at the same

800
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,480
time it was kind of amazing. And then I'm sitting

801
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,519
there staring at the water. I can hear these guys.

802
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,599
I can't I don't understand what they're saying, but I

803
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,840
can hear them, and all of a sudden, there was

804
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,719
this I saw this giant splash in the water about

805
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,079
twenty feet from the bank, and I see the object

806
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:39,559
that goes into the water, and it's about the size

807
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:45,000
of a bowling ball, and my brain automatically starts to

808
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,159
processing it just within a fraction of a second. That's

809
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:54,920
a bigfoot. My two brother in laws, they said, wow,

810
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,840
it's a big fish and I said, that's not a fish. Boys,

811
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,480
I said, we need to leave. It's either a hello

812
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,920
or get out. I'm going to go ahead and think

813
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,920
it's to get out. Let's get out, So we get up,

814
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,119
we leave. I tell us that you guys need to

815
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,079
double time back because the next one can be on

816
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,000
top of our head. So I picked up some dirt

817
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,679
I put, I extinguished the fire. I go up. I'm

818
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:24,599
walking backwards because I'm thinking, you know what, maybe I

819
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,280
might get just a glimpse, even a shadow of something.

820
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,119
And I could hear something cross the water about two

821
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,320
hundred feet away, like it was going to come up

822
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,320
on my left and maam from the left. So I

823
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,320
kept going backwards. I got inside the gate, I locked

824
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,840
the gate. I got back about twenty feet and I'm

825
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,519
sitting there just looking out in the woods. Right. I

826
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,800
can't see as good as I really should because the

827
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,239
lights of the house kind of affecting my night vision.

828
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,159
I could not see anything. I could hear something moving

829
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:10,440
in the woods right, and uh. And I just kept

830
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,440
looking and looking and looking, and then there was there

831
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,719
was this giant tree, a giant tree. There was this

832
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,800
sapling tree that was shaking, but I couldn't see it.

833
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,760
I could just hear it because of it was out

834
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,719
of range. So I went to the house and everything stopped.

835
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,519
I went up to these and I went in the door.

836
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:34,880
What are you doing out there? And I said, I said,

837
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,400
I just got struck by lightning. What do you mean

838
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,000
by Lightning said, yeah, I had a big Foot in kid.

839
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:47,639
Of course, everybody's eyes got real bad and like Bigfoot,

840
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,559
and yes, they got struck in the light. My bigfoot

841
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:54,239
just tossed that big rock into the water out there.

842
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,400
And the only way you could toss something that big.

843
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,039
You couldn't do it with an overhand throw like a baseball.

844
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,960
You were not gonna do it with two hands between

845
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
your legs like a basketball. The only way you were

846
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,800
going to do it was catapult. You're gonna put it

847
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,719
in your hand, you're gonna lean over as farst and

848
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,039
you're gonna come back with your hand fully extended. That's

849
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:18,840
the only way. And you're gonna have to have a

850
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,119
lot of upper body and lower body to deal with

851
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:27,679
this make it work. And it was absolutely for me,

852
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,519
it was absolutely an amazing encounter. Right. I never thought

853
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,920
in my wildest that I would ever have anything with

854
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,880
that happened. Most of the encounters I ever read about

855
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,880
are ones that people aren't trying. They're not looking for Bigfoot,

856
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,079
they're just out doing their deal. So the house was

857
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,960
two stories, so I went up to the second floor

858
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,559
and I had a monoculars night vision monoculars, and I

859
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,440
was up there, just kind of scanning and scanning and

860
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,000
scanning and can see anything, you know. I and looked, look,

861
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:08,119
and then all of a sudden, I heard the doorbell rang.

862
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:12,960
And then I heard my wife and my sisters in

863
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:17,599
laws just just panicky, you know. I go downstairs and

864
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,960
they said the doorbell went on. So I go to

865
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:25,039
the front door, and there's nothing there, right, nothing there.

866
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,800
So in my world, you know, I hear I hear

867
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,760
all this, Well, it's the door, it's electrical fault failure.

868
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,079
Are the sounds you hear are pipes rattling? Well, in

869
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:38,840
all in all the houses I've ever been to, I

870
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,519
never heard pipes raddle. And all the houses I wanted

871
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:45,079
went into, I never heard the doorbell go off by itself. Uh.

872
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:48,000
Those are all just can answers, you know what. They're

873
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,280
just canned ancers that Okay. I heard some Well it's

874
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,840
the pot trailing, Well, my you know, that's just how

875
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,280
it is. You know, Well the door open, well, that's

876
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,679
the wind, you know, and that that's just I think

877
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,119
that's just the canned answers you get from people try

878
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:07,840
and explain something that can't be explained. And in that situation,

879
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,280
there I really don't know what caused it, but it

880
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,159
was not a wire, a faulty warren. Uh. Doorbells have

881
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,599
the kindest of wire. You mean, it's almost like thread,

882
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,400
it's so thin, and they're not There's nothing that's going

883
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,599
to set a doorbell off electrical wise.

884
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 4: So what was that?

885
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,039
Speaker 3: Have no clue, Have no clue, Yeah, I mean.

886
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,559
Speaker 2: Sorry, just I mean, if if in fact it was

887
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,719
the Bigfoot, that might be the first time I have

888
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,320
heard the Bigfoot come up and ring the doorbell, which hey,

889
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,360
it could have been.

890
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he may have wanted some crabby or something,

891
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,920
but yeah, you know that. And when all that happened

892
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,440
to me happened there first that I thought of, maybe

893
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,000
that's why there's a ten foot metal fence around.

894
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: The house, and maybe that's why he didn't want to

895
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,599
live there at all. Maybe ever, because if you have

896
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,960
something that's throwing things, and if the foot is ten

897
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,960
or the fence rather is ten foot, then I mean

898
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:19,320
that's a very tall fence. And he already knew something

899
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,719
very very big was out there screwing around on his property.

900
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,039
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, and it's right there in the mouth

901
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,719
of a canyon, so whatever comes up can hit that

902
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,119
canyon and disappear in a short period of time. And

903
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,400
it's not something that a man's going to be able

904
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,599
to track out there himself. And you know, he may

905
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:47,199
be like me. I grew up in cities and subdivisions.

906
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,280
I'm not an outdoor guy. I don't know what an

907
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:54,320
I do not know what a bobcat sounds like. I

908
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,079
don't know what a mangche bear looks like. You know,

909
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,599
I don't know all that. So when I go out

910
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,679
in into what people call nature, everything's basically new to me,

911
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,599
you know, except maybe except except the bird. So maybe

912
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,719
he got there. You know, he was from a concrete general,

913
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,960
so maybe you know all this. It's like, wow, we

914
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:18,000
saw something. We just don't know what it is. And

915
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:23,320
that's that's why they maybe decided to liquidate the property

916
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,159
and move on.

917
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not everybody wants bigfoot in their backyard. In some cases,

918
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:31,400
I can say I don't blame them, all right. So

919
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,039
next up, we have another Bigfoot bullet point, and this

920
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:38,480
is in Copper Hill, Tennessee.

921
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, January twenty thirteen, we had a house in

922
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Copper Hill and Copper Hill. The reason why it's called

923
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,679
Copper Hill is because there was some copper minds over

924
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:55,400
there for many many years. They were subterranean and they

925
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,960
were also pits. And there was a house over there.

926
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,800
They were located in the hills and uh it's set

927
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,760
up on top of a ridge and the front of

928
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,280
the house was level with the ground. You go up

929
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
the driveway and there was a landing open, you know,

930
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,880
an open space there, and then the house front door.

931
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:25,400
The front steps came right up to the driveway and

932
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,639
I had a deck. It had a porch across the

933
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:29,960
front that was the width of the house. The house

934
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,320
was thirty feet and on the back there was a

935
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,280
deck that went the full width of the house and

936
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,159
that was thirty feet and it was basically a thirty

937
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,960
foot by thirty foot house. Well, I had a couple

938
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,519
of guys up there that were doing some plumbing work

939
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,719
and they had been up there all day. They've been

940
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:50,880
having problems. They were trying to get this water heater

941
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,039
drained down because it was going to get cold and

942
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,519
we didn't want to plumb me to freeze. And they

943
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:58,239
had been there for a while and I was close by.

944
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,559
I thought, you know what, I need to go get

945
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,599
these guys something to eat. And take to them because

946
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:05,480
they they hung in there and it was dark, no

947
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,519
power to be these houses didn't have power. You know,

948
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,320
we worked without power and lost the time. So I

949
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,320
go up there and I go in the house with them,

950
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,440
and you know, they were waiting for to drain down,

951
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,159
and we're I give them some pizza and then we

952
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,559
eat everything. And we're sitting in the in the floor

953
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:27,719
with our backs against the wall on the carpet, waiting

954
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:34,199
for this walk, trying to It's pitch dark, and we

955
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,280
were sitting there nice and quiet, you know, these very

956
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,840
young guys. So they're setting there, scrolling through their phones

957
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,119
and stuff. And all of a sudden, we're in the

958
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:46,079
living room and it's an open floor plan, so you're

959
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:49,199
looking through the living room and you're looking through the

960
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,000
dining room to a double window that was six feet

961
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,880
wide eighty inches tall. We so, how do you know

962
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,239
it's eighty inches tall because the door is eighty inches

963
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,039
tall and the window was at the same height as

964
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:06,280
the door and had Venetian blinds. The blinds were closed,

965
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,960
but you you know, Venetian blinds aren't blackout blinds. They

966
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,840
still allow light to come through. And I'm looking over

967
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,800
there and I see something that's blocking the light coming

968
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:25,000
through the Venetians right, and it's what I see is

969
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:29,760
less than eighty inches. Seven feet is eighty four inches,

970
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,639
So this is somewhere between six and seven feet, and

971
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,280
it's below the eighty mark because I can see light.

972
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,920
So I reach over there and I tap one of

973
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,559
the boys, and I do the old you know, and

974
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:48,039
I do this telling me and our point. I'm telling

975
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:51,360
these guys let's stand up, because if we're going to

976
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,760
have to stand on our ground, we want to be

977
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,840
on our toes and not on our butts. So we

978
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,079
got up. We're on carpet. We're trying to be as

979
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,280
right as we can be. Then all of a sudden,

980
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:07,480
what was moving on the deck, It darted to the left,

981
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:14,000
passed the kitchen door. We heard this crashing sound. Well,

982
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,480
I go to the back door because there's this loud crashing,

983
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,400
open the door and I look. I had a hat

984
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,679
knack on. I look right and I look left, and

985
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:24,679
when I looked left, there was a ten foot section

986
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:32,159
of hand rail completely gone. Whatever this was just flew

987
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,239
right through the hand rail, this top rail, bottom rail,

988
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,400
and a bunch of spindles just gone. I go to

989
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,719
the end and I look over with my headlamp and

990
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:52,039
I see this handrail down down in this at the

991
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:58,280
foot of an eighteen foot drop, right eighteen feet But

992
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,079
I don't see what made it?

993
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 4: Right?

994
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: What did it? And it was like, oh my gosh.

995
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:08,639
We just and my first thought was, okay, it's a

996
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,559
it's a bigfoot, I said, Jena's probably time time we leave.

997
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,039
So we left. On the way home, I'm thinking, what

998
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:21,679
could that have been? You know, what could it have been?

999
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,679
So the next day I returned and I go there

1000
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:28,920
and I'm looking down in the daylight and I can't

1001
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:36,320
see any any anything that looks disturbed by something landing

1002
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,880
on the ground eighteen feet down trying to get away.

1003
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,719
I can't there's no tree, limbs, there's no it's it's

1004
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,519
deep bramble. Uh And it's bram was you know, just

1005
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,280
a bunch of thorns. I don't see any any evidence

1006
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,239
that's whatever it was hit the ground. So and I'm

1007
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,960
replaying this back in my head and I'm thinking, Okay,

1008
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:00,159
there's there's two questions here, right, two questions how did

1009
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,239
it get up? There was no steps going to the

1010
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,480
deck because the deck was eighteen feet off the ground.

1011
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:06,719
The only way to get to the deck was through

1012
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,039
the house. So my first question was how did it

1013
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,119
get up there without being detected? How did we knock

1014
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:19,719
hear it right? The second question was how did it?

1015
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,800
Where did it go? How did it get off of

1016
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,280
that deck? And of course my brains, my brain's trying

1017
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,280
to go through and filter out everything. What I try

1018
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,199
to do is I try to keep it simple, stupid,

1019
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,519
kiss keep it simple, stupid. So the next thing that

1020
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,079
came to my mind, which is one of those you

1021
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,159
got a strange question, you got a strange answer. My

1022
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:47,679
strange answer was how to get up there? And how

1023
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,599
did it get off of there? And my strange answer

1024
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,960
was did it have wings? Did it fly on there?

1025
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:59,880
Did it off? You know? The only way I could

1026
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:06,800
figure out how because uh, you know, like I have

1027
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,719
been around owls. I did have it an owl encounter

1028
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,000
one time out of woods, and I never heard it.

1029
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:18,599
This thing was flying with these wingspan, that's incredible. But

1030
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:22,239
you never heard flutter you know how with the pigeon,

1031
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,039
you know, being in the city pigeon, you know you

1032
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,440
can hear it flutter away, but with an owl, it's

1033
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:34,440
totally silent. So I was thinking, well, maybe it was

1034
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:38,119
something that was silent and had to have wings, because

1035
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,440
when I'm thinking about a bigfoot being three or four

1036
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:44,679
hundred pounds, you're not going to be able to climb

1037
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,639
up in a on a deck and grab a hold

1038
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,760
of the handrail without just pulling the thing away from

1039
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,599
the house. That's impossible. They're not meant, they're not meant

1040
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,519
for people three four hundred pounds to be climbing over them.

1041
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,960
It's just they're they're not creded for that. And then

1042
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:04,119
of course if you're three hundred pounds, you can blow

1043
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,760
through the steps. But I'm thinking, all right, give you

1044
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,480
this thing had to get a running start before it

1045
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:15,360
could fly. But there again, strange question, strange answer. What

1046
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,159
are the facts? The facts are this the factory. Something

1047
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:25,159
got up there quiet, not detected till it was seen

1048
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,320
blocking out the light on the Venetian. The second fact

1049
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,400
three people witnessed, not one, but three. All three of

1050
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,840
us agreed that we saw it and we heard it.

1051
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:46,840
What is the next fact? The last fact is it

1052
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,920
blew off that deck. It did not hit the grip,

1053
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,960
It did not grab a hold of a tree. Because

1054
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,199
a big foot if three hundred pounds hit the tree.

1055
01:05:56,199 --> 01:06:00,000
It's gonna break some limbs. How did it get up

1056
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,719
up there? How did it get down? Those are the

1057
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,039
three facts. What is the what is the of course

1058
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:07,480
the two questions are how?

1059
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:08,039
Speaker 4: How?

1060
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: And the last question is why? Why did it choose

1061
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,440
to up on that deck? Did it? Did it? Was

1062
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,840
it trying to spook us? Did it not? We're there?

1063
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,320
You know what? What was it? What was on that

1064
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,559
deck that made this creature want to get up there?

1065
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:37,400
And to me, you know, I to me, the only

1066
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,760
reason why something like that wou would want to do

1067
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,360
that would be the scare of the trap if you

1068
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,880
can run you off, you know, that's the only thing

1069
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,000
I could come up. But there again, I don't know

1070
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:55,639
it's that that is that is the big question is why? Why?

1071
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,760
What did it do? And of course that's what I

1072
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,760
have on my notes again, And you know why why

1073
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,639
did do? But it was? It was great? You know,

1074
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:11,119
I've only that's only two I've ever had to me

1075
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,199
there there's there there's a beat which I think for

1076
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,440
me be there's an A and the A plus is

1077
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:26,599
you see it and you make eye content?

1078
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,119
Speaker 2: Do do you think that you would want that encounter, Phil,

1079
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,079
would you want the the yeah.

1080
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:41,519
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, uh, I've been with. I don't

1081
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:44,079
go out in the woods much. Uh, you know with

1082
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,039
with I have gone out a few times with people, right,

1083
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,000
And I mean I heard, I've heard the knocks, I've

1084
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,360
heard the yells stuff like that. Uh. And what some

1085
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,800
people say elt like we were going to a house

1086
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,519
that supposedly haunted or has And I always tell these

1087
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,519
paranormal groups they asked me to go with them sometimes

1088
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:11,960
because I had a couple of paranormal people that work

1089
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,719
for me, husband and my team. So that's how I

1090
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:19,199
got hooked into some paranormal groups. And I won't always

1091
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:22,800
ask them. I'd say, all right, let me go in first.

1092
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,600
Let me go in first before you guys go in

1093
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,079
there and contaminate the place. Right, let me go in first.

1094
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,000
And I would go in first, and I would have

1095
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:36,760
a kayaking helmet because I like the kayak, and have

1096
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,039
a go pro on the front and a go pro

1097
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,520
on the back. Right. And they would always say in

1098
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,600
the same way when I'd go out in the woods,

1099
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,960
go pro, go pro, no handheld. Why because that camera

1100
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,399
goes where your head goes. You know, I'm not having

1101
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,119
to sit here and trying to focus and find it

1102
01:08:56,199 --> 01:09:00,439
and lose all that. And they say, how come here?

1103
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,880
They say, we aren't you afraid? Well, who says I'm afraid.

1104
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,640
I'm just here to see a bigfoot. I'm here to

1105
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:14,920
experience the paranormal. So I've already gotten myself set up

1106
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,600
in my mind that when it happens, I'm not gonna run.

1107
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,760
You know I'm not, because I've been out with groups,

1108
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,680
and they're usually groups of six, you know, Uh, there's

1109
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,279
two there, there's two kinds of groups. There's several kinds

1110
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,920
of groups. There's simmers strictly for entertainment. You know, get

1111
01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:40,399
get six of you together, go to a place that's haunted,

1112
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,920
find out what the backstory is. You know, people screen,

1113
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,720
people run, uh and things like that. And then there

1114
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,800
and there it's all, you know, all entertainment and we

1115
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,840
all like to be fair. And then there's another group

1116
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,840
that that they consider themselves to be scientific and no

1117
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,359
psyching's no sense. And then there's the sensitive groups, and

1118
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:10,239
the sensitive groups it's all about demons. Can't breathe heaviness.

1119
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 4: For me.

1120
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: There again, I like to keep it simple, keep it simple.

1121
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,560
So when for me to see a bigfoot would be

1122
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,960
an a plus to lock eyes with to lock eyes

1123
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,000
with it. I'm prepared for that. Some people say, if

1124
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:30,079
some people have had that encounter, say that they they

1125
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,119
don't sleep anymore, they don't go in the woods anymore. Yeah,

1126
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:37,720
that's not me. I'm if I'm going to be interested

1127
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,600
in this cryptid, in this paranormal stuff, I've got to

1128
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,279
be able and willing. I've got to be able to

1129
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:48,840
be able to take it, you know, if I'm going

1130
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,199
to expose myself to that.

1131
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: All right, So next up we have October of twenty

1132
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:03,479
and eleven, and this is titled Body out of Whitfield County, Georgia.

1133
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 3: All right, all right, when it comes to houses, buildings,

1134
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,159
and property, because we also took care of empty lots,

1135
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:17,239
empty tracks of lumber, attracts of timber. When it comes

1136
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:23,119
to houses, there are three different kinds of houses. You

1137
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:29,600
will notice a pattern with me. There's always different levels

1138
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,600
of different things, good, better, best, you know, everything to

1139
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,119
me has a uh, there's like a graph, and houses

1140
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:41,039
are no different. There are three kinds of houses. There

1141
01:11:41,039 --> 01:11:43,840
are the ones that you walk into it and it

1142
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,920
feels like a storage building. It keeps you dry, keeps

1143
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,880
you warm. There's no feeling at all. And then the

1144
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,119
second type is the one that feels like a home.

1145
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,600
You can feel the joy that took place in there,

1146
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,840
the generations that grew up there, and it just feels like, oh,

1147
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,319
it's just nice and warm, there's no threat. And then

1148
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:13,119
there's the third type that bills sinister, that just doesn't.

1149
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:16,720
And the way the way I know the feel is

1150
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,439
not because I'm sensitive. It's because I look around and

1151
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:26,000
I can see things that make it sinister or make

1152
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,560
it feel like a home. I don't. I'm not. I

1153
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,159
don't have any kind of special you know ability, say,

1154
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:35,720
like when you go into a house, for example, and

1155
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:39,079
all the windows are covered and foil covered blankets and

1156
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:41,079
there's trash all over the place, Well, you know that's

1157
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:46,680
a drug house, and bad things happen in drug houses. Sinister.

1158
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,359
You know, if you go into a house and there's

1159
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:50,920
a pentagram on the wall and you find chicken bones

1160
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,319
and stuff like that, you know bat stuff took place.

1161
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,199
When you go to a house and you see sixty

1162
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:59,920
year old roses pluming around porch, you see you know,

1163
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:04,119
drawings on the wall were six foot five foot three foot, Uh,

1164
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:10,239
you know that was a comfortable house. This house. As

1165
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:13,720
soon as we got there, my crew call me. I said, Phil,

1166
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,920
we can't find this property. Okay, I'm five minutes away.

1167
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,079
I'll come help you find it. I show up.

1168
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:19,399
Speaker 4: I do.

1169
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 3: I get an aerial view from a tax card. I

1170
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,119
look on the air of you, look down, I do

1171
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,880
a latitude longitude. We find it. Drives covered up. I

1172
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,399
drive back there first. They follow me. The house comes

1173
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:40,279
into view and uh, it's covered completely covered in overgrown foliage,

1174
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:42,520
cottonwood trees.

1175
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:46,159
Speaker 2: Hold on fielders. Is it raining pretty hard there?

1176
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live in a warehouse.

1177
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,199
Speaker 2: Wow, that is some real rain right there. Holy smokes,

1178
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:55,159
I'm so jealous.

1179
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: See we live in a warehouse.

1180
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: And oh, it's sounds so amazing. I just wanted to

1181
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,279
it's fine. I just wanted to let everybody know. We

1182
01:14:05,319 --> 01:14:07,479
can both hear that noise. It's just I wanted to

1183
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,640
let everybody know it's raining. We can't do much about that,

1184
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,199
but I love that sound so much. Sorry, Phil, continue.

1185
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,359
Speaker 3: We turned it just settled down. We turned the warehouse

1186
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:19,560
into a house, so there's no ceilings, it's all wide open.

1187
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,840
But anyway, this house here. When we got there, we

1188
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,960
had to pull around the back. There was no way

1189
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,560
to get to the front porch, no way at all.

1190
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:31,399
We pulled around the back we could get to the

1191
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,760
back door. So we all three get out and walk

1192
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,920
up to the door. The door's open. We go inside

1193
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,920
and we're looking around. It's waist deep in some places

1194
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,760
with the raw garbage. Thank god, it was winter time

1195
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,520
and it was cold. It doesn't smell as bad as

1196
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,960
if it's cold. And this is not uncommon for this

1197
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:52,039
business to find them home trashed. And it was just

1198
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:54,600
straight up raw garbage. I mean there was even a

1199
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,079
dead cat carcass which the cat got stuck in there

1200
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:03,239
and just died. And we're walking through looking at it,

1201
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,560
and we walked. One of the guys walks over to

1202
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,319
the master bedroom and he opens the door and he

1203
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:15,880
turns around, looks at many does this care? And so

1204
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,319
I went over there and Will was no not Will.

1205
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:23,039
Jerry was with us at that time. And we walked

1206
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:26,239
to the door and we're looking into this master bedroom

1207
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:31,119
and the only light coming in was where the door opened,

1208
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,239
because we didn't put a bunch of sheets off the wall,

1209
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,720
off the windows. And there was a king queen's size

1210
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,840
bed and there was a comforter on the bed and

1211
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:47,600
there was a human length inside. There was a human

1212
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,239
inside that in its underneath that cover, and they were

1213
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:54,880
rolling over like they were sleeping. So I give the

1214
01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:00,079
guys the let's get out, and we're walking out of

1215
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,119
the room and all of a sudden, we hear something

1216
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:08,520
in a front room and I said, let's go. We're

1217
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,319
gonna call it. You know, we got outside, said I'm

1218
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:12,600
gonna call the Sheriff's department because we got some squatters.

1219
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:15,359
The Sheriff's apartment shows up. I tell them what's going on.

1220
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,960
I say, it's in the master bedroom and it's the

1221
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,479
front room towards the front of the house probably, And

1222
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,800
then two patrol cars show up to two deputies going

1223
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,239
there to sweep the house. They're in there about ten minutes.

1224
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:32,920
They come back out and I said, we didn't see

1225
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,039
anybody run out the back door. They can't go out

1226
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:37,600
the front door, and they can't go out windows. And

1227
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,199
they proceeded to tell me that they that they found

1228
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,880
no living person in the house, but when they pulled

1229
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:54,199
that comforter back, they found a decaying carcass woman. When

1230
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:58,880
they pulled the cover back, then you know, we later

1231
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:04,159
found out that maybe two three months and uh, and

1232
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:08,319
then they found nothing, no one in the then no

1233
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:14,159
broken windows, no attic, and then none of that. And

1234
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:16,439
we told them, what, you know, you guys, sure you

1235
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,279
saw somebody internet, Yeah, we saw what looked like somebody

1236
01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:23,199
in that bed rolling over. Then I asked him, said,

1237
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:26,239
did you was there any did you see any sign

1238
01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:31,119
of a raccoon or apostle? No, there was nothing under there.

1239
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,479
And if it was a human, uh, you know, they

1240
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,399
would have they would have definitely messed up that body

1241
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,039
because it was nothing but mush. I mean, it just soup.

1242
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,000
So I kicked back and I put my arms like this,

1243
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,079
and I'm thinking, good, now, what did we see? You know?

1244
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:55,199
What did we hear? So I started putting in my

1245
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:58,880
head what was it? What was it? It's not It

1246
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,840
wasn't no raccoon. Wasn't it possible? That was it? The

1247
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:08,680
was it the deceased? Was it somebody else that may

1248
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,600
have died in the house, like a boyfriend or a

1249
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,880
husband or something. Of course I later found out it

1250
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:19,319
was drug related, right, it wasn't on the side. So

1251
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:24,359
here are the facts. The facts are this three people,

1252
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:29,119
myself and two guys that worked for me. We saw

1253
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,239
something in that bed. We saw it, all three of us.

1254
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:41,279
We saw whatever it was rollover. Three of us saw

1255
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,720
heard rather three of us heard something in the very

1256
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:53,119
front room. And the questions are what was under the bed,

1257
01:18:53,159 --> 01:18:55,520
what was in the bed, and what was in the

1258
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:01,319
front room. And for me, I could not come up

1259
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:08,520
with any strange answer, strange questions, no strange answer, a

1260
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:13,039
lot of why and a lot of head scratching. But

1261
01:19:14,199 --> 01:19:17,359
it did not It made it. I mean, if you

1262
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,199
had to be there just to feel, uh, just how

1263
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:25,640
eerie it felt. You heard that from the rifter O.

1264
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one is creepy, Phil that one, That one

1265
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,199
got me a little bit because I was, I was.

1266
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,760
That would be another question of mine is I will

1267
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,359
wonder if there was an an animal big enough to

1268
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:41,520
make it look like, you know, it was a body moving.

1269
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,479
But then you address that, so that one is very creepy.

1270
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,319
Holy smokes.

1271
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 3: That it's still you know, what what is? What are

1272
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,159
Some of these paranormal TV guys say that the one

1273
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,640
that I can't forget, you know, the top ten ones.

1274
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,960
I can't forget. That's one of the top ten, you know.

1275
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was a good one not good for

1276
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,640
you at the time. I'm sure you're like you to

1277
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,760
the sheriff, You're going, wait, excuse me that you didn't

1278
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:14,680
find anybody?

1279
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:15,399
Speaker 6: What do you mean?

1280
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,319
Speaker 3: And then you know, of course after that, you know

1281
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:24,560
we're we're there for another couple of hours because the

1282
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,359
corner shows up, to state police show up, and we

1283
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,880
have to give them statements. You know, you know, we

1284
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,039
couldn't have done it. She's been dead for three months. Yeah,

1285
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:41,920
you know, so we got stuck in that. Yeah, it's uh,

1286
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,560
it's one I'll never forget for sure.

1287
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,159
Speaker 2: God, that is a good one.

1288
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,039
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Shannon. I have another appointment here, of.

1289
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,239
Speaker 2: Course, of course, yeah we can. We can make this

1290
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:52,640
into a two part or no problem. But no, thank

1291
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,640
you so much, Phil. I sure appreciate your time.

1292
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 4: So I was they find my parents? My business. I've

1293
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:02,560
got such college.

1294
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 7: I've done these things in my profession. I produce a

1295
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,960
little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not that's

1296
01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:13,840
some story, that's all gone, that's all passed.

1297
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,359
Speaker 4: I want to see them, really, you who are now?

1298
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 8: When nobody knows who earnings is because we don't know

1299
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,039
our silves except to listening to our eCos.

1300
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 7: And consulting our members.

1301
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,319
Speaker 4: But then that's a really And then again it's expect

1302
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:40,000
this question, God are you? That is the mean. We

1303
01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:41,359
shall see how they play.

1304
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:44,520
Speaker 7: With the success but by the CODs.

1305
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 4: To get you to come out of your show and find.

1306
01:21:48,479 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 5: Out, I'm going to be really olds step.

1307
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 9: It's it's, it's.

1308
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 6: It's steps, it's examples, its.

1309
01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: Aspects, for example, are quite divided on us.

1310
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 10: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

1311
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:53,199
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different.

1312
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 4: Living somewhere else.

1313
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 10: They will say, reincarnation means this.

1314
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:01,119
Speaker 5: If you're sitting here.

1315
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,039
Speaker 7: Now, are really convinced.

1316
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,359
Speaker 4: That you're the same person a boding at.

1317
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:08,079
Speaker 9: The door half an hour ago, you'll be becoming.

1318
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:13,039
Speaker 4: If you're liberating your mothers now that you're not. The

1319
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:18,640
past hasn't insistence, The future doesn't insistence. There is only

1320
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,239
the present.

1321
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 9: That's the only ameniam.

1322
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 3: Of the incident.

1323
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,119
Speaker 10: The send master, don't get away in the space in.

1324
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 4: The spring does not become sumthense first there is some.

1325
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 7: Sense, and then there is spring.

1326
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 9: It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.

1327
01:25:33,199 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 8: Butts T S isn't that's the same idea four more days,

1328
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:31,800
where he says, when you've settled down in the train,

1329
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,239
you can read your newspaper, and so you're not the

1330
01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:36,199
same person.

1331
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 4: While I go and live in the plan. If you

1332
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,760
think you are, you are linking your moments up in

1333
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,199
the check.

1334
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 10: And this is what binds to the wheel, when you

1335
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,199
know that every moment of which you are is the

1336
01:26:54,279 --> 01:26:58,319
only moment discount in des And the Master will say from.

1337
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:01,520
Speaker 4: Somebody, I can have a bog across the rock and

1338
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,159
it comes back and he says, where are your foot?

1339
01:27:06,039 --> 01:27:09,640
They've gone? So where are you? Who are you?

1340
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,319
Speaker 7: When we are asked who we are, we usually give

1341
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:16,680
a kind of recitation of an instrum stressence.