Speaker 1: The infinite complating people went to and pro feared about
their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar dripwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and space.
Speaker 2: Well, hello everybody, and welcome back to into the Fray.
On this edition, I welcome Phil on with me, and
he is out of Georgia, and he sent a beautiful, perfect,
very exciting email that has basically the background of what
we're talking about, and then the bullet point list already
baked into the email. So it was very excited to
get that. Thank you so much, Phil. So let me
read a little bit of this intro that you sent
me in your very first email. And you and your
wife owned and operated a property management business for over
twenty six years. You maintain properties all around North Georgia
and Tennessee hospitals, senior living facilities, schools, retail spaces, offices,
and of course houses. And you say when you go
into seventy five hundred plus buildings, you will tend to
cross paths with the unknown from time to time, whether
you're trying to or not. That part made me smile.
And good good news for us is that you would
record as much as you could when this would occur.
Speaker 3: Right, And.
Speaker 2: Just to kind of set this up, you say that
some things were baffling and downright eerie, and all of
these experiences were happening around not only yourself, but all
the crews and the contractors that you've had working with
you over the years.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, you know, when you're in that kind
of business, you have multiple trades. I mean you have electricians,
you have plumbers, you know, you have carpenters. You know,
you have painters, and you you don't have all of
this stuff you do in house. You find ten ninety nine,
you found subcontractors. So with all of these people showing
up at properties from time to time, they would come
to me with something strange. Now, the way I always
the way I did it was I always recorded it
in first person, just like I would if I was
asked by a policeman, how right, give me a testimony,
give me a statement for what you just saw. So
for me, because I know we can't remember everything, we
can't over one hundred and seventy three stories, I'd like
to say encounters our accounts, not stories, because these were
all given to me or I witness to myself. Are
they happened at one of the properties that we happen
to manage. So it's not like the stories I'm getting
from these people were from housing they been into, or
a hospital or anything. So I had firsthand knowledge of
these properties, so I knew where the bedrooms were, I
knew where certain things work, and I would I would
always as soon as they would tell me right then
I'd go ahead and document it. I would get it
while the facts were still absolutely fresh, no fabrication, no
no variables added in there to make it sound better,
or because we trace it, we have what's called trace decay.
We cannot remember everything. If I try to remember something,
I can't even remember what I had for lunch last Monday.
So if I'm trying to remember a a something supernatural,
are ghostly or cryptied, I'm not going to remember it
three years from now. If I do it, maybe all
I saw a bigfoot and then everything else I have
to fill in the blanks, and that's that's no way
to research or anything like that. If you notice on
the list I sent you didn't give you all the
details I just showed. I gave you the date it
was done and the time and the month. But on
my end, I've also got what the temperature was that day,
what the bury metric pressure was that day, what the
uh uh uh we call it the uh the uh
if if there was like a heat index, I would
put down what it what it was, and what it
felt like. I had as much information as I could,
because my intent was to come up with some sort
of some sort of database where if I put all
this in. I still haven't figured out how to do
it that I could say, all right, here's a pattern.
You know what happens twol in the afternoon, three o'clock
in the afternoon. You know the new point is sixty.
You know the air temperatures you know ten or whatever.
And I was trying to collect as much data as
possible so I could somehow put that all together and
somehow have have something that was consistent or of some
sort of pattern.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 3: Know how important it is important it is to make
things factual. You know, Fabrication doesn't do anything for us
except make it more mysterious. Even though some of these
stories may not be exciting, are totally terrifying that. Nonetheless,
they are still baffling. And I even recorded just the
opening and closing doors and things like that. But in
the construction bususiness, doors opening and closing and tools lost
and tools missing, that's just part of job. But I
still recorded it just in case something else happened. You
know what, two weeks ago the doors opened and closed.
Now you know something else happened, so that may be
part of what we That door might have been part
of what what's happening now. And I just wanted to
be as clean with my details, and even some of
them that do not fit what I believe, I still
put those thoughts in there, and those those points in there,
those facts I didn't I know, I don't ever want
to have any confirmational bias just just because I believe.
I don't want to try to make a story fit
my narrative just because I want to do it, you know. Yeah,
in other words, I'm dibidding myself. You know. Wait, you
know I've got I've got the facts, I've got things
that don't follow up. Now, if you notice with these
stories here, they're all over the plains, I mean, they're
in they're in Georgia. I don't know. Yeah, I've got
one North Carolina in here, I believe, yep, and uh
these are all and what I found, let me get
me drop it to uh. I see everything through the
lens of a builder. I've been building all of my life.
As far back as my memory takes me, I've been
a builder. So how do I see things? Well, I'm
driving down the road and I see a bridge. I
look at how that bridge is made, and I think,
all right, why do they do that? Okay, that's why
they did it. I go into a house, I see
certain uh details and structural things, say why they did
it that way? Then I say, oh, that's a great idea,
or that's a bad idea. I do the same thing
when I when it comes to the paranormen, to the
cryptied world. Uh. If if I read somebody's story about
a bigfoot showing up in their backyard, I'm thinking, Okay,
why why with why would bigfoot show up in his
back yard? Why would this apex preditor of apex creature
get so close to people who discover and destroy everything?
They what we do? So, I mean, my questions always
why why why would it show up? Why? Would I
why would this? These things happen in these houses?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And then because I asked the question why, I always try.
I tried to find out in my I try and
run through my processor and find out why. Sometimes I
have a theory. Sometimes I don't, you know, And that's fine.
But in our world, in the world that of the paranormal,
we have a strange question and we have even a
stranger answer.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh me, I'm a flesh and blood guy when it
comes to big pill. You know, I don't. I don't
understand the portals, the thin veils, and the bore texas.
I don't understand in that because once, once you say,
all right, Bigfoot disappears in the portal, all right, all right,
I might as well even stop looking for Bigfoot. He's
gonna portal in portal out. Well, I don't even know
what a portal is. I might as well stop. But
you know, why does Bigfoots track just seem to stop
where it's at? Well, he walks through a vortex. Uh,
no one ever thinks about, Okay, why would he stop? Well,
maybe he's taking a big jump. I mean we jump
over water, we jump over ditches, we we jump over
leaf across the field. You know, why are you know happen?
Why do why do ghost opening closed doors? Why do
they want to blow cold air in our face? Why
do they want to catch your shoulders? Is that all
they can do? I mean, you saw a picture that
I sent you of that face in the window. Now
I'll give you this on that face. When I take pictures,
I take take them in in threes one, two, three,
and then I picked the best of the three, and
that's what I use on this particular particular picture. For example,
I took three shots. The first two shots there was
no face. The third shot is face showing up. So
if you can for me on my end, you could
probably mark off Paradegia right because it didn't show up
in the first two shots. I did not move over
five feet ten feet or move back and forth. I
stood in the same spot. And this particular place here,
it's an old funeral home, and it's two stories with
a full basement. And of course, you know on a
funeral home, if there's a basement, that's where all the
bad stuff takes place, you know. And it's been empty
probably for thirty years. It was a family run business,
like most of all of them are, and I guess
they just got tired of it and shuttered it. But
I never have been in this building. I just like
old buildings, and I saw it, so, you know what,
I better take a picture, and I've been seeing it
for years and years and years. I better document this
this building before it's gone. And that's what I did.
I was just taking random pictures. And then when I
got back and I loaded them on my ket and
I was looking at them, and I started zinging in
on these windows. I thought wow. And if you look,
if you look at the close up, you notice the
handlebar and mustache, and you also notice what I What
I noticed is like it almost looks like there's a
black coat. And what I see is what you might
would look like back in the forties of the fifties,
what you know, what a man would look like, how
he would wear his mustache and all that. And when
I saw that, it was like, wow, that's that's proved me.
Most of the pictures we capture of the paranormal are
done by accident. We're not trying to and if you
want to jump into these stories, they're not any kind
of order. You can just randomly jump around or you
can jump around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we go there, Phil, since you already brought
this up, and I'm showing the pictures for anybody that's
watching on Patreon or on YouTube. Of course is the
video version, and I will put the pictures in the
show notes on the website into the Fray radio dot
com for this episode if you don't watch the videos
and you listen to the audio only and want to
see the pictures. But Phil, for this one. Now, you
know a lot of people can be shown the same
photo and see, you know, ten people, ten different things.
I also, in my mind when I first saw the photo,
my mind gravitated to the up and left. That white
portion almost looks like a woman, but like behind the
figure that you are kind of talking about with possibly
a handlebar mustache. That's where my brain went was, Oh,
that looks like a woman peering out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I do see as I see
a distinctive nose in what looks like eyes, and like,
I don't want to me, I don't know if I'm
just seeing what I want to see, but it looks
like there's a black coat. And you know, back then
in that business, you would have worn black you know,
today they try to be a little less gloomy and
they wear you know, maroon or something else. But back
then it would have been black. Now, why why this
thing decided to do? Uh? Come out for me? I
don't know. I keep asking why uh? And maybe maybe
it's just because there's no building lovers out there like me.
And he said, you know why us go ahead and
give this guy a look. But uh, I didn't. I
need to send it to you. But on the far
right hand past where the where the canopy is at, uh,
there is I on the very the very the third
window down from the canopy. I'll have to zoom. I
have to send you close after that. But there's a
you can see a light in the window. H this
place is this place has been shuttered for over thirty years.
There's no power, there's no water, there's no reason. And
I took this during the in the middle of the day.
Of course it was a semi cloudy day. But I'll
have to show you that there's one spec of light.
It may be something it's too bright to be an
orb uh. So I really don't know if it's just
a reflection off of something else. But that I try
not to make a quick uh judgment caller, try to
you know, right, what could it be before? I just
and if it's like if if there's one thing that
it could be, well, it's the there's a question mark,
So is it or is it not? So that right now?
Speaker 2: So where these figures are, phil is is the window
immediately to the left of the awning?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 3: Yes, to the Uh you see that? Go back? Do
you see the telephone pole?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Huh that's the window right, yeah, because I was kind
of checking out the h the old bush in one
of these these photos. Here is that same little bush
down there. So I just so that folks can go, oh,
well that, you know, maybe they want to try to
zoom in on their own. It's it's that one just
to the left. So this places in Chattanooga, Tennessee shut
It's been shuttered for thirty years. That's kind of is
that a normal thing for that area where buildings will
sit empty for that long and not torn down or repurposed.
Speaker 3: Uh. Well, let's Chattanooga was an old steel town and
there was a lot of foundries here and a lot
of knitting mills in the industry, and this particular building
here was in an area that is heavily trafficked. In fact,
right behind it, it's probably two hundred feet from an
interstate a busy interstate overpass, so uh. And out here
to the left, that's that's a street, and it's about
it's about six feet from the road. It's heavily trafficked.
And just like any town, good neighborhoods become bad neighborhoods,
and that's what happened to this neighborhood back in the
field fifties and sixties. It became a rough neighbors But
if you were trying to use even if you try
to use it for housing condos or something, you could
not deal with the noise. So that may have been
why it was shuttered. And it could have been that
the next generation has just decided, you know what, we
don't want to be in this business, because if you
talk to most funeral home businesses, you're usually talking to
a second, third, or fourth generation. The family just keeps
right on going with it. And this particular one here,
the second floor is where the family lived at that
was living quarters. The public space was the first floor,
and of course the basement floor was where all of
the prep came what was done down in the first floor,
in the basement floor, So I would love to it
off in there. And I did talk to right behind
it is a scrap yard side of the yard, and
I talked to one of the people who worked there,
and he told me that because I want to I
want to do. I want to try to track down
the owner and see about let me letting me go
in there. Uh. And he was telling me that they
had seen and heard things inside of this building and
that worked next to it, so even the owner. Uh,
I haven't met the owner, but he told me that
the owner had experienced stuff inside this building too.
Speaker 2: What what sorts of things was he experiencing.
Speaker 3: Uh, they were hearing stuff inside the building, like organ music,
you know. Uh, you know, if you having a funeral service,
sometimes you'll have an organ player. And back then that
was probably just a given that they were going to
have an organ player, and they would hear stuff like that.
And occasionally they might see something across the window or
a banging on the door. Uh, just things that they
weren't they were just walking by, you know, just maybe
going outside of smoke cigarette or something to hear something
see something, and you know I scratched their head and
back in say something else again, like for like for me,
when I encounter something like that, I want to get
a closer look. It's like, for example, if I if
I'm ever in a building when I was doing that business,
I heard something, I would make my way to that sound.
I wouldn't run. I would be deliberate with each footstep.
Basically I was trying to be quiet and that way,
if anything else happened, I could hear on my way
and I wasn't running. And if something has come up,
I didn't you know, sound it out footfalls? Yeah yeah.
So but to me, when you if you do come
and if you ever ever do that, have that happen,
you know you need to take advantage of it because
it may be that you can walk up on something
that you've been looking for instead of jumping out of
your skin and jumping out a window.
Speaker 2: So, Phil, before you go, before we hit because I
think we'll probably just loop back up and hit number
one first, we may as well go down the line.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Have you and your wife always kind of been into
the paranormal, even before your very first encounter while you're
doing your.
Speaker 3: Work, Well, there's three, there's three different I think there's
three different camps when it comes to the paranormal. They're
the people who believe in doubt. Well, I believe, but
I also doubt some of the things I hear because
I know we are we are. We tend to fabricate
stuff for entertainment. I mean a couple of years ago,
I was in Blue Ridge, Georgia with some uh bigfoot
groups over there, and we found out that a couple
of these groups had been talking to each other with
baseball bats and whoops, they'd been talking to each other
for a month. But anyway, get over there. I saw
one guy said I saw bigfoot over on the East Ridge.
Another guy says, well, I saw too, and then the
next guy tries to up do the last guy. So
it's up, up, up up. So when I hear that,
I think, well, by the time we get to the top,
I'm all right, I doubt it, but I still I
still try to believe everything everybody says. And then there's
the skeptics, right, the skeptics honestly believe. Skeptics believe, they
just don't want to use the word believe. So how
do you how do you hide? You hide behind the
word skeptics because some of your people may say, oh,
this guy's lost his mind. Well, no, I'm a skeptic
when he actually believe. And then the third camp is
the absolutely nots. And my wife is an absolutely not
you know. Uh. In me, I'm an absolutely yes. I do.
I do doubt some of what I do here because
I mean, just face it, think some things are fabricated,
you know, and that that's gonna be the great thing
about AI. We're gonna we are going to be able
to determine, uh, probably based on like the old black box, uh,
if it's true or not, based on what AI comes
up with from a voice analyzer. And people say, oh, Phil,
what's gonna happen when AI start? Because AI will be
able to tell us if it's an AI video. And
let's say I can fool itself, you know, so I
don't see uh, I don't see that ever being a
prime fact. Let's see it being great because with something
like AI, we can tell if if if a video
has been you know, cut, stopped or anything else. I mean,
people in people of your business y'all can look at
a video and see where there may be a cut.
I can't, but you have you guys have that ability
to do that. Uh, but AI is going to be
able to tell.
Speaker 2: Us yeah, less unless and this is getting really far
down a conspiratorial vein. But unless, because you know, the
the claim is that AI can become sentient and they're
like the one that supposedly learned how to make sure
that the humans on this side of things couldn't shut
it down anyway. I don't know if that's one hundred
percent true, but you know what if the AI could
decide to lie because you're you're saying, oh, is this
AI and this it could be even even a different
program if we get to that point and this program
goes no, no, no, that's not AI because it has
the other AIS back. Now that's going way way down
the path of conspiracies. But yeah, there are incredible channels
and people like I watch Beardo Get Scared. He does
heavy more just straight ghosts type of videos, and he
is incredible, as you say, at picking out where there's
a cut, where there's an ad in, where there's anything
edited in or out of a video. I don't have
that kind of an eye, but that's why I try
to watch folks like that because they're so they're so
adept at that kind of a thing, and we need
more of that. I don't need. We don't need, like
you say, the one hundred percent, like the scoffticks who
will never listen. Some are are they're that far down
the path where they don't want to listen to anything
at all, And that's okay, that is their prerogative. But
I think being skeptical, all of us should have at
least a level of that, because then if you're not careful,
then everything's a bigfoot or everything as a ghost. As
you say, you notice that there's two different teams not
getting whooping back at each other. And that can happen,
especially in a place like Salt Fork where heck, there's
a campground named Bigfoot Ridge and it's the primitive side
of things, of the primitive campground.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: There's a lake in between all of this. These different
campgrounds and sounds carry incredibly and people, I think they
get a little little bit Bigfoot on the brain and
everything is the old Bigfoot. So has your wife ever
had a strange experience, maybe even with you when you
guys are walking around a property or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Now, basically when we were doing that work, she was
the inside person and I was the outside person. So
she really didn't go to a whole lot of properties,
and once she did, it was full of people. You know.
I didn't want her going to properties by herself, and
so she never was exposed like I was. I went
to every one of them at least one time. That's
a lot of houses. That's a lot of buildings. That's
a lot. And you know something else, all of these
encounters that I'm gonna read to you, we when we
went to a house, we never had a backstory. Still don't.
I don't know anything about these properties. I just know
what happened to us right there was because to me,
backstories kind of set the route of your investigation, and
this wasn't an investigation. These happened we basically we stumbled
upon these things. We didn't We weren't looking for them,
We weren't trying to Our job was to get in,
get these properties ready to sell, ready to rent, ready
to lease whatever. We weren't there to put a certificate
on wall that this thing is haunted. You know, that
was the last thing. But I'm also uh, I mean,
I have no I have absolutely no psychic abilities. I
have no sensitive abilities. Only thing I have is some
street smarts and uh and in the building background. That's
all I have, and that's how I look at everything.
But when things do happen, I recognize it. You know,
say like say like if I walk through a house
and there's a there's an island, and there's a magazine
with the cover up. Now if I walk past that
magazine in the covers down, I noticed that something, something's
been moved. And it's like if I went into a
house this week and then I went to the same
house last week and something was missing or moved, I
would I would recognize it. I mean I wonder, I
was think if someone broke in this house, has somebody
else been in here or what moved? Now, for me,
it never was the paranormal. You know, a ghost come
in here and read the magazine and just throw it
back down on the counter. But in the paranormal world,
if you see something that doesn't fit, that's when you
want to take a closer look. You want to study it.
And for me, I think the biggest the best censors,
uh sensitive people in the paranormal world are every one
of us we all have some sort of built in
alarm system. Hey, maybe I shouldn't walk down that alley,
you know, Uh, maybe I shouldn't go in that back bedroom.
And and it's like, I don't know, people might call
it sixth sense, but I believe that that we all
have that ability to to figure out pay this just
not right here. And it may be it may not
be para normally, but maybe some carbon based, you know,
tweaker in the back bedroom that could do some harm
to you.
Speaker 2: But I think that that is much much scarier than
the paranormal, honestly, is the random people that I'm sure
that you have run into in some of these buildings. Well, Phil,
let's jump in here. Let's jump into number one, and
this is in uh I'm assuming is it okay? If
I read also the city along with the state, is
it okay? Okay? So Cartersville, Georgia. And this one is
titled Gerald.
Speaker 3: All right. Gerald Jerald was a He was a gentleman
that lived in a on a street where a couple
of guys that worked for me lived. And Gerald had
a traumatic brain injury and he's he was also suffered
from schizophrenia, but he was he was still quite intelligent,
and he had a degree in literature and he still
had a really good command on literature. And uh, he
was he was pitiful, I mean he was. He He
had a conservator that that kept him in the house
and kept food coming his way because he was not
able to take care of himself like that. But anyway
he would. He would occasionally come with those two guys
and hang out with us, right, and they would always
call mess Haken Gerald come to day. I said, sure,
well on this on this day here, Uh we had
a project in Carsfield, Georgia, and they call hims Hake
and Gerald go with us. I said sure. And the
way it worked with Gerald was he was constantly talking
to someone we couldn't see, constantly and he was he
was constantly apologizing to me about it, and I said, Jerald,
don't worry about it. And we got to this property
and we were doing out. I had a crew to
doing some work outside and they told me. I said, well,
I told the crew, I said, you make sure and
put Gerald inside the house. Turn the air on. So
we had the power turned on there because we had
the house. So put him in the house, give him
a chair, don't do not let him go outside and
get too hot because you had a part condition. And
he went inside and I was in the area, so
I can't. I went by to check on the job
and I went inside the house to uh check on Gerald,
and I opened the door and he was talking. Now
one of the things I always did with Jerald, I
always said, Gerald, who you talking to? Because sometimes he
may have been talking to me and he would tell
me he would he would blurt out a name, okay,
And this particular Dad went inside and he told me
who he's talking to. And I said, cool, if you
just you know, stay in here, do not go outside.
Is too hot. Well, that night, See, every day I
worked long hours. I'd get up early to get in late.
That evening, when I got home, I went into my
home office and I was bloating up pictures and I
was invoicing and stuff like that. And I always go
to the tax site for these properties to so I
can get a what the lot size is. And this
house was totally empty, nothing in it, just clean, you know,
ready to move in. And I was looking on the
tax site and I was looking and it gives you
a list of owners and the name the last owner
of the name showed up and that was the very
name that Gerald told me he was talking to. So
I just did the old head scratch, you know. And
a couple of weeks later I saw Jerald and I say, Gerald,
the guy you were talking to in Cartersville, did you
are you? Do you still talk to him? He said, no, Phil,
he lives in that house. And there was no no
pictures on the wall, no uh mail, no mailbox. And
I looked up and you obitu worries and the person
he was talking to was deceased in the house. Gerald
somehow through his schizophrenia, had been talking to the deceased
last honor and uh, he was whoa, you know that's
a that's that's pretty serious. Not to mention it's a
head scratcher on top of that. And uh, I asked him,
said I asked him a couple of weeks Layers said,
you still have you still keeping up that guy? He said, nope,
he he doesn't leave that house down there Field. I said, well, Gerald, uh,
maybe I need to take you more often.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any way that that Gerald would
have known who who lived there, maybe actually did know
him before he passed?
Speaker 3: No? The house had been deep cleaned. There was absolutely nothing,
no mail, no magazines, nothing that would have anybody's name
on it. There was no name. There was no mailbox,
so there was no name on the mailbox. Uh. The
guys that were that worked for me there, they don't
care who lived there, so they're not worried about it.
But Gerald just somehow the other tapped into this guy.
Speaker 2: Do you recall what kinds of things? Do you recall
what kinds of things he was saying to this this
passed on owner.
Speaker 3: No, not really, because when I walk in, it's just
when you have someone talking to themselves, basically, it's hard
to discern what conversation they're having, you know, because there's
nothing coming back. I just heard. I walked in and
heard him talking talking to me, Jerald. He stopped talking
at that point to whoever, and he went to talking
to me.
Speaker 2: Do you think that his TBI made it to where
maybe he's more of a receiver for strange things and
communication with the other side.
Speaker 3: I think so that coupled with his schizophrenium already already
seeing things that aren't there. I mean, we all assume,
of course, this is another one of those may way
out there things. We all assume that people who are
schizophrenia are talking to people who that don't exist. We
don't know, right, they could be talking to someone, you know,
that's just that's one of those way way way way
out there. Yeah theories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that we won't be able to answer, and
we don't know, but it is interesting to speculate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So the bulletpoint two is April of twenty twenty two,
and this is titled William and this is Fort Oglethorpe
in Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, William, we called him will and my
wife had come across. My wife is an excellent business
woman and also excellent with real estate. She came across
the property that had three houses on it and they
were all all three houses were the exact same white,
two bedroom, one bath on the same property. Good price,
excellent rental property, excellent investment property. She purchased it and
it already had a couple of tenants. The houses were
about about twenty feet apart. The house on the left
was occupied, the house on the far right was occupied,
and the middle house was vacant. And you know these
in the neighborhood. This was in you were you were
not going to get a lieutenants that had credit or
not didn't have some sort of criminal background. That's just
how it was. But the guy on the far right,
his name was Eric, and Will was on the far left.
Will had his girlfriend, Renee in there with him. He
had his Renee's son, Zach, who was twenty three at
the time. Eric on the far right had his He
was either his wife or his girlfriend. I think it
was his girlfriend, and and they all cohabitated and they
got along well. I ended up putting Will to work.
He worked for me. I ended up putting Eric to
work for me part time. So it was a win
win for me in my wife because you know what
we're going were are rents guaranteed because these guys worked
for us, and everything was, you know, rocking along there.
And all of a sudden, Eric's girlfriend she had a
miscarriage and then she her Eric don't get along since
she moves out, Well, Eric takes up, he takes a spin.
I mean he just goes he goes off the off
the chart, Yeah, and he's just unconsolable and just doing
stupid stuff. And then one morning Will wakes up and
he finds Eric in the front yard. He's been beat
to death with a ham So Eric was murdered in
the front yard. And of course, because Eric was you know,
wasn't considered a citizen because of his criminal background, there
was absolutely no investigation, you know, you know, his his life,
what caused it? Never that?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Eric? What's gone? And both these guys had always told
me that there was something going on in the in
the house in the middle, that they could hear stuff
in there at night, stuff moving around. And the house
was totally empty and totally but well, and we moved
to will Well. Will's girlfriend, Renee has a stroke. She
stays in the house all day long by ourself, so
she suffers from some irreversible dammage. She has to go
to a nursing home. And because of that, Will and
her son, Zach did not get along. Zach was a
good kid, he just had the wrong parents. So I
let Zach say in the house in the middle, and
Zach was working for me, Well, all of a sudden,
Will one day at work he just locks up, I mean,
his back just absolutely brings him to his stopping point,
to his knees. He can't get up. He goes to
the emergency room. He finds out that he's got cancer.
And they say six weeks and Will was a great,
great guy. Six weeks well, he was gone. In three
three weeks he died in the house and he was gone. Well,
and it's Zach. Zach is what's left. And then Zach
he od's on fentanyl in the house, on the property.
So now we've had all of this tragedy within six
that's about. Let me see here six months. And I
went to my wife and I told her, I said,
you need to sell that property. Can you sell it
as quick as you can? Why? And I told her,
you know, she already knew, but she just didn't put
line everything up. You know, property is a property. There's
nothing wrong with people die all And I said you
need to sell it. And she said why. I told her.
She said, are you superstitious? I said, I am out.
I said, you need to get rid of that property.
So she found a buyer. Within like two weeks, the
new buyar, the potential bar came by and I met
him over with the property, show him around, and he said,
of course. The main question people always ask you is
why why are you getting Why are you getting rid
of the property. It's such a good and I just
was gave him full disclosure. I told him everything that happened,
and he was a one you know, I don't I
don't entertain anything, and h okay, cool, you'll this property's
idea for you. And I said, what are you gonna
do it? He said, oh, I'm I'll fix it up.
I will end it to some of my family, and
and uh and uh. A month later, month and month's
se here. A month later he has a stroke and
his plans for that property came to a screeching halt.
And do I think it's part of what happened when
I owned it. I don't know. It just seemed to
be and it could all be just coincidence, but to me,
there was too much of a It just kept going
and going and going and going. It wasn't topping point.
And today sometimes I will be in that neighborhood, just
drive by. It's empty. All three houses are falling apart.
I guess whatever plans were pard. I looked on the
tax part. He still owns the house, but for whatever reason,
he never let family move to it. Why I don't know.
He didn't go in on the market. But to kind
of add a little bit more detail to this. About
three blocks away from this house is the Chickamauga Battlefield,
which was the site of the second bloodiest battle of
the Civil War, Gettysburg being first with fifty thousand casualties,
Chickamauga being second with thirty thousand casualties. And you can
see the battlefield from property. And from there, about two
blocks away was a hospital that had been there since
the forties, since the World War Two, and then not
far from there was a German pow camp. The facts
Eric was killed in the property, Eric's girlfriend had a
miscarriage on the property, zach overdosed on the property. Will
died of cancer on the property. Renee had a stroke
on the property. All of these people that effected on
that property, we're all under thirty five years old. A
couple of them were in their twenties. So, you know,
is that part of it the age bracket? Is it
what you know and the facts are, it's three blocks
away from a tragic battle. Is it all just some
coincidence or is there was there something behind it? More sinister?
That's one of those questions I'll never be able to answer.
Speaker 2: It is pretty incredible that they were all so young
and had all these these very tragic things, and all
very different tragic things happened. That's a classic case of
is it the house or is it the land? I mean,
I would lean towards what happened on that land and
surrounding land. But that's just me, Okay. So now we
are going to talk about Bigfoot. And this is December
of two thousand and two ten and this is in
Union County, Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yes, this property here was about ten miles off the highway.
The house was roughly twelve thousand square feet, which is
a big house. That's a big house. It was located
right in the mouth of a canyon. It had a
very It had a ten foot iron fence around the property,
about one hundred and fifty feet from the house, so
the fence was pretty close to the house, and it
was ten feet tall, and every twenty feet was a
massive rock column, and then there was a twenty foot
gate consisting of two ten foot gates that came in
the middle. I went to the property the first time
by myself, and the gate had a large chain that
was wrapped around two gates with a large lock. These
locks weren't your basic locks. It wasn't your basic chains.
These were hard and steel. You're not going to take
a pair of boat cutters. You're gonna have to take
a torch or a heavy, heavy, you know, good expensive blade. So, uh,
when I saw that, I saw the house back there,
and the house really didn't fit the the woods. You know,
most people when they build a house out like that,
they build a log cabin or they build a rock house.
This was a white, two story house. It just didn't.
So of course, me being the you know, the guy
that pays attention to detail, the first thing I thought
of when I saw this chain wrapped around there, I
thought about, uh, you know why why so much chain?
And why you know why why a tenth fence? You
know why, because most time you don't even see a
it's at all. And I unlocked it. I went and
went inside there, and I went inside the house and
it was fully furnished. The place was supposed to be
a second home for it was from a businessman out
of Atlanta, but it was never lived in. It might
have been used, you know, a weekend and a weekend there,
but it was still fully furnished. The last property management
crew had kept it clean, you know, so it was
it was deep cleaned, and they just decided to go
with let us take care of it. And I did
a quick walk through and on the backside of the
property there was another twenty foot gate that led out
to a clearing where there was a one one to
two acre pond. And at the pond, the pond was
spring fed, so the water was really nice and clear.
And uh, next to the pond, about fifty feet from
the water, there was a burn pit and there was
Adirondack chairs circling the burn pit. Okay, cool. Well. One
of the things that we do for a house, any house,
is we do what's called a system check. That's where
we go through and make sure everything works. The heat pumps,
the water heaters, all of the circuits, the appliances, if
they have them, it's it's say it's it's we do
a thorough, thorough check. If there's anything wrong with the
electrical we fix it. Plumbing, we fix it. So a
twelve thousand square foot house, that's a lot of system check.
You know, we're talking eight eight bedrooms, ten bathrooms, a kitchen,
the size of a house. So I reached out to
the to the asset manager. I said, hey, I want
to do it. I want to do a system check here,
but I want to spend the weekend here to do it. Sure,
he gave me the They gave me the okay, so
I got it. Was my wife and I and we
got my two brother in laws and sister in laws.
All right, we're gonna spend a weekend in a twelve
thousand square foot house over and in the Union County,
and uh, okay, it sounds like fun. So we did
you know? We went there. We got all settled in,
and uh, my two brothers in laws and I we decide,
you know what, We're gonna go down and built was
a fire in the fire pit. We're gonna sit those
at here on that chairs. We're gonna sit there and
we're gonna tell lies to each other and and they're
gonna drink their craft beer. I'm gonna be drinking a soda.
And uh, of course it was in December, so it's chili,
it's cold, it's a little cool, and they're sitting there,
they're talking about Georgia football and I'm I'm facing the water.
I'm looking toward the water, and for some reason, I'm
just it's just I'm just looking get this water and
it's just as smooth as can be. I mean, there's
not one ripple in this water. And I'm just sitting
and thinking, Wow, this just seems really really really odd,
and it was odd, but it was at the same
time it was kind of amazing. And then I'm sitting
there staring at the water. I can hear these guys.
I can't I don't understand what they're saying, but I
can hear them, and all of a sudden, there was
this I saw this giant splash in the water about
twenty feet from the bank, and I see the object
that goes into the water, and it's about the size
of a bowling ball, and my brain automatically starts to
processing it just within a fraction of a second. That's
a bigfoot. My two brother in laws, they said, wow,
it's a big fish and I said, that's not a fish. Boys,
I said, we need to leave. It's either a hello
or get out. I'm going to go ahead and think
it's to get out. Let's get out, So we get up,
we leave. I tell us that you guys need to
double time back because the next one can be on
top of our head. So I picked up some dirt
I put, I extinguished the fire. I go up. I'm
walking backwards because I'm thinking, you know what, maybe I
might get just a glimpse, even a shadow of something.
And I could hear something cross the water about two
hundred feet away, like it was going to come up
on my left and maam from the left. So I
kept going backwards. I got inside the gate, I locked
the gate. I got back about twenty feet and I'm
sitting there just looking out in the woods. Right. I
can't see as good as I really should because the
lights of the house kind of affecting my night vision.
I could not see anything. I could hear something moving
in the woods right, and uh. And I just kept
looking and looking and looking, and then there was there
was this giant tree, a giant tree. There was this
sapling tree that was shaking, but I couldn't see it.
I could just hear it because of it was out
of range. So I went to the house and everything stopped.
I went up to these and I went in the door.
What are you doing out there? And I said, I said,
I just got struck by lightning. What do you mean
by Lightning said, yeah, I had a big Foot in kid.
Of course, everybody's eyes got real bad and like Bigfoot,
and yes, they got struck in the light. My bigfoot
just tossed that big rock into the water out there.
And the only way you could toss something that big.
You couldn't do it with an overhand throw like a baseball.
You were not gonna do it with two hands between
your legs like a basketball. The only way you were
going to do it was catapult. You're gonna put it
in your hand, you're gonna lean over as farst and
you're gonna come back with your hand fully extended. That's
the only way. And you're gonna have to have a
lot of upper body and lower body to deal with
this make it work. And it was absolutely for me,
it was absolutely an amazing encounter. Right. I never thought
in my wildest that I would ever have anything with
that happened. Most of the encounters I ever read about
are ones that people aren't trying. They're not looking for Bigfoot,
they're just out doing their deal. So the house was
two stories, so I went up to the second floor
and I had a monoculars night vision monoculars, and I
was up there, just kind of scanning and scanning and
scanning and can see anything, you know. I and looked, look,
and then all of a sudden, I heard the doorbell rang.
And then I heard my wife and my sisters in
laws just just panicky, you know. I go downstairs and
they said the doorbell went on. So I go to
the front door, and there's nothing there, right, nothing there.
So in my world, you know, I hear I hear
all this, Well, it's the door, it's electrical fault failure.
Are the sounds you hear are pipes rattling? Well, in
all in all the houses I've ever been to, I
never heard pipes raddle. And all the houses I wanted
went into, I never heard the doorbell go off by itself. Uh.
Those are all just can answers, you know what. They're
just canned ancers that Okay. I heard some Well it's
the pot trailing, Well, my you know, that's just how
it is. You know, Well the door open, well, that's
the wind, you know, and that that's just I think
that's just the canned answers you get from people try
and explain something that can't be explained. And in that situation,
there I really don't know what caused it, but it
was not a wire, a faulty warren. Uh. Doorbells have
the kindest of wire. You mean, it's almost like thread,
it's so thin, and they're not There's nothing that's going
to set a doorbell off electrical wise.
Speaker 4: So what was that?
Speaker 3: Have no clue, Have no clue, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Sorry, just I mean, if if in fact it was
the Bigfoot, that might be the first time I have
heard the Bigfoot come up and ring the doorbell, which hey,
it could have been.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he may have wanted some crabby or something,
but yeah, you know that. And when all that happened
to me happened there first that I thought of, maybe
that's why there's a ten foot metal fence around.
Speaker 2: The house, and maybe that's why he didn't want to
live there at all. Maybe ever, because if you have
something that's throwing things, and if the foot is ten
or the fence rather is ten foot, then I mean
that's a very tall fence. And he already knew something
very very big was out there screwing around on his property.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, and it's right there in the mouth
of a canyon, so whatever comes up can hit that
canyon and disappear in a short period of time. And
it's not something that a man's going to be able
to track out there himself. And you know, he may
be like me. I grew up in cities and subdivisions.
I'm not an outdoor guy. I don't know what an
I do not know what a bobcat sounds like. I
don't know what a mangche bear looks like. You know,
I don't know all that. So when I go out
in into what people call nature, everything's basically new to me,
you know, except maybe except except the bird. So maybe
he got there. You know, he was from a concrete general,
so maybe you know all this. It's like, wow, we
saw something. We just don't know what it is. And
that's that's why they maybe decided to liquidate the property
and move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not everybody wants bigfoot in their backyard. In some cases,
I can say I don't blame them, all right. So
next up, we have another Bigfoot bullet point, and this
is in Copper Hill, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, January twenty thirteen, we had a house in
Copper Hill and Copper Hill. The reason why it's called
Copper Hill is because there was some copper minds over
there for many many years. They were subterranean and they
were also pits. And there was a house over there.
They were located in the hills and uh it's set
up on top of a ridge and the front of
the house was level with the ground. You go up
the driveway and there was a landing open, you know,
an open space there, and then the house front door.
The front steps came right up to the driveway and
I had a deck. It had a porch across the
front that was the width of the house. The house
was thirty feet and on the back there was a
deck that went the full width of the house and
that was thirty feet and it was basically a thirty
foot by thirty foot house. Well, I had a couple
of guys up there that were doing some plumbing work
and they had been up there all day. They've been
having problems. They were trying to get this water heater
drained down because it was going to get cold and
we didn't want to plumb me to freeze. And they
had been there for a while and I was close by.
I thought, you know what, I need to go get
these guys something to eat. And take to them because
they they hung in there and it was dark, no
power to be these houses didn't have power. You know,
we worked without power and lost the time. So I
go up there and I go in the house with them,
and you know, they were waiting for to drain down,
and we're I give them some pizza and then we
eat everything. And we're sitting in the in the floor
with our backs against the wall on the carpet, waiting
for this walk, trying to It's pitch dark, and we
were sitting there nice and quiet, you know, these very
young guys. So they're setting there, scrolling through their phones
and stuff. And all of a sudden, we're in the
living room and it's an open floor plan, so you're
looking through the living room and you're looking through the
dining room to a double window that was six feet
wide eighty inches tall. We so, how do you know
it's eighty inches tall because the door is eighty inches
tall and the window was at the same height as
the door and had Venetian blinds. The blinds were closed,
but you you know, Venetian blinds aren't blackout blinds. They
still allow light to come through. And I'm looking over
there and I see something that's blocking the light coming
through the Venetians right, and it's what I see is
less than eighty inches. Seven feet is eighty four inches,
So this is somewhere between six and seven feet, and
it's below the eighty mark because I can see light.
So I reach over there and I tap one of
the boys, and I do the old you know, and
I do this telling me and our point. I'm telling
these guys let's stand up, because if we're going to
have to stand on our ground, we want to be
on our toes and not on our butts. So we
got up. We're on carpet. We're trying to be as
right as we can be. Then all of a sudden,
what was moving on the deck, It darted to the left,
passed the kitchen door. We heard this crashing sound. Well,
I go to the back door because there's this loud crashing,
open the door and I look. I had a hat
knack on. I look right and I look left, and
when I looked left, there was a ten foot section
of hand rail completely gone. Whatever this was just flew
right through the hand rail, this top rail, bottom rail,
and a bunch of spindles just gone. I go to
the end and I look over with my headlamp and
I see this handrail down down in this at the
foot of an eighteen foot drop, right eighteen feet But
I don't see what made it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: What did it? And it was like, oh my gosh.
We just and my first thought was, okay, it's a
it's a bigfoot, I said, Jena's probably time time we leave.
So we left. On the way home, I'm thinking, what
could that have been? You know, what could it have been?
So the next day I returned and I go there
and I'm looking down in the daylight and I can't
see any any anything that looks disturbed by something landing
on the ground eighteen feet down trying to get away.
I can't there's no tree, limbs, there's no it's it's
deep bramble. Uh And it's bram was you know, just
a bunch of thorns. I don't see any any evidence
that's whatever it was hit the ground. So and I'm
replaying this back in my head and I'm thinking, Okay,
there's there's two questions here, right, two questions how did
it get up? There was no steps going to the
deck because the deck was eighteen feet off the ground.
The only way to get to the deck was through
the house. So my first question was how did it
get up there without being detected? How did we knock
hear it right? The second question was how did it?
Where did it go? How did it get off of
that deck? And of course my brains, my brain's trying
to go through and filter out everything. What I try
to do is I try to keep it simple, stupid,
kiss keep it simple, stupid. So the next thing that
came to my mind, which is one of those you
got a strange question, you got a strange answer. My
strange answer was how to get up there? And how
did it get off of there? And my strange answer
was did it have wings? Did it fly on there?
Did it off? You know? The only way I could
figure out how because uh, you know, like I have
been around owls. I did have it an owl encounter
one time out of woods, and I never heard it.
This thing was flying with these wingspan, that's incredible. But
you never heard flutter you know how with the pigeon,
you know, being in the city pigeon, you know you
can hear it flutter away, but with an owl, it's
totally silent. So I was thinking, well, maybe it was
something that was silent and had to have wings, because
when I'm thinking about a bigfoot being three or four
hundred pounds, you're not going to be able to climb
up in a on a deck and grab a hold
of the handrail without just pulling the thing away from
the house. That's impossible. They're not meant, they're not meant
for people three four hundred pounds to be climbing over them.
It's just they're they're not creded for that. And then
of course if you're three hundred pounds, you can blow
through the steps. But I'm thinking, all right, give you
this thing had to get a running start before it
could fly. But there again, strange question, strange answer. What
are the facts? The facts are this the factory. Something
got up there quiet, not detected till it was seen
blocking out the light on the Venetian. The second fact
three people witnessed, not one, but three. All three of
us agreed that we saw it and we heard it.
What is the next fact? The last fact is it
blew off that deck. It did not hit the grip,
It did not grab a hold of a tree. Because
a big foot if three hundred pounds hit the tree.
It's gonna break some limbs. How did it get up
up there? How did it get down? Those are the
three facts. What is the what is the of course
the two questions are how?
Speaker 4: How?
Speaker 3: And the last question is why? Why did it choose
to up on that deck? Did it? Did it? Was
it trying to spook us? Did it not? We're there?
You know what? What was it? What was on that
deck that made this creature want to get up there?
And to me, you know, I to me, the only
reason why something like that wou would want to do
that would be the scare of the trap if you
can run you off, you know, that's the only thing
I could come up. But there again, I don't know
it's that that is that is the big question is why? Why?
What did it do? And of course that's what I
have on my notes again, And you know why why
did do? But it was? It was great? You know,
I've only that's only two I've ever had to me
there there's there there's a beat which I think for
me be there's an A and the A plus is
you see it and you make eye content?
Speaker 2: Do do you think that you would want that encounter, Phil,
would you want the the yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, uh, I've been with. I don't
go out in the woods much. Uh, you know with
with I have gone out a few times with people, right,
And I mean I heard, I've heard the knocks, I've
heard the yells stuff like that. Uh. And what some
people say elt like we were going to a house
that supposedly haunted or has And I always tell these
paranormal groups they asked me to go with them sometimes
because I had a couple of paranormal people that work
for me, husband and my team. So that's how I
got hooked into some paranormal groups. And I won't always
ask them. I'd say, all right, let me go in first.
Let me go in first before you guys go in
there and contaminate the place. Right, let me go in first.
And I would go in first, and I would have
a kayaking helmet because I like the kayak, and have
a go pro on the front and a go pro
on the back. Right. And they would always say in
the same way when I'd go out in the woods,
go pro, go pro, no handheld. Why because that camera
goes where your head goes. You know, I'm not having
to sit here and trying to focus and find it
and lose all that. And they say, how come here?
They say, we aren't you afraid? Well, who says I'm afraid.
I'm just here to see a bigfoot. I'm here to
experience the paranormal. So I've already gotten myself set up
in my mind that when it happens, I'm not gonna run.
You know I'm not, because I've been out with groups,
and they're usually groups of six, you know, Uh, there's
two there, there's two kinds of groups. There's several kinds
of groups. There's simmers strictly for entertainment. You know, get
get six of you together, go to a place that's haunted,
find out what the backstory is. You know, people screen,
people run, uh and things like that. And then there
and there it's all, you know, all entertainment and we
all like to be fair. And then there's another group
that that they consider themselves to be scientific and no
psyching's no sense. And then there's the sensitive groups, and
the sensitive groups it's all about demons. Can't breathe heaviness.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 3: There again, I like to keep it simple, keep it simple.
So when for me to see a bigfoot would be
an a plus to lock eyes with to lock eyes
with it. I'm prepared for that. Some people say, if
some people have had that encounter, say that they they
don't sleep anymore, they don't go in the woods anymore. Yeah,
that's not me. I'm if I'm going to be interested
in this cryptid, in this paranormal stuff, I've got to
be able and willing. I've got to be able to
be able to take it, you know, if I'm going
to expose myself to that.
Speaker 2: All right, So next up we have October of twenty
and eleven, and this is titled Body out of Whitfield County, Georgia.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, when it comes to houses, buildings,
and property, because we also took care of empty lots,
empty tracks of lumber, attracts of timber. When it comes
to houses, there are three different kinds of houses. You
will notice a pattern with me. There's always different levels
of different things, good, better, best, you know, everything to
me has a uh, there's like a graph, and houses
are no different. There are three kinds of houses. There
are the ones that you walk into it and it
feels like a storage building. It keeps you dry, keeps
you warm. There's no feeling at all. And then the
second type is the one that feels like a home.
You can feel the joy that took place in there,
the generations that grew up there, and it just feels like, oh,
it's just nice and warm, there's no threat. And then
there's the third type that bills sinister, that just doesn't.
And the way the way I know the feel is
not because I'm sensitive. It's because I look around and
I can see things that make it sinister or make
it feel like a home. I don't. I'm not. I
don't have any kind of special you know ability, say,
like when you go into a house, for example, and
all the windows are covered and foil covered blankets and
there's trash all over the place, Well, you know that's
a drug house, and bad things happen in drug houses. Sinister.
You know, if you go into a house and there's
a pentagram on the wall and you find chicken bones
and stuff like that, you know bat stuff took place.
When you go to a house and you see sixty
year old roses pluming around porch, you see you know,
drawings on the wall were six foot five foot three foot, Uh,
you know that was a comfortable house. This house. As
soon as we got there, my crew call me. I said, Phil,
we can't find this property. Okay, I'm five minutes away.
I'll come help you find it. I show up.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I get an aerial view from a tax card. I
look on the air of you, look down, I do
a latitude longitude. We find it. Drives covered up. I
drive back there first. They follow me. The house comes
into view and uh, it's covered completely covered in overgrown foliage,
cottonwood trees.
Speaker 2: Hold on fielders. Is it raining pretty hard there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live in a warehouse.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is some real rain right there. Holy smokes,
I'm so jealous.
Speaker 3: See we live in a warehouse.
Speaker 2: And oh, it's sounds so amazing. I just wanted to
it's fine. I just wanted to let everybody know. We
can both hear that noise. It's just I wanted to
let everybody know it's raining. We can't do much about that,
but I love that sound so much. Sorry, Phil, continue.
Speaker 3: We turned it just settled down. We turned the warehouse
into a house, so there's no ceilings, it's all wide open.
But anyway, this house here. When we got there, we
had to pull around the back. There was no way
to get to the front porch, no way at all.
We pulled around the back we could get to the
back door. So we all three get out and walk
up to the door. The door's open. We go inside
and we're looking around. It's waist deep in some places
with the raw garbage. Thank god, it was winter time
and it was cold. It doesn't smell as bad as
if it's cold. And this is not uncommon for this
business to find them home trashed. And it was just
straight up raw garbage. I mean there was even a
dead cat carcass which the cat got stuck in there
and just died. And we're walking through looking at it,
and we walked. One of the guys walks over to
the master bedroom and he opens the door and he
turns around, looks at many does this care? And so
I went over there and Will was no not Will.
Jerry was with us at that time. And we walked
to the door and we're looking into this master bedroom
and the only light coming in was where the door opened,
because we didn't put a bunch of sheets off the wall,
off the windows. And there was a king queen's size
bed and there was a comforter on the bed and
there was a human length inside. There was a human
inside that in its underneath that cover, and they were
rolling over like they were sleeping. So I give the
guys the let's get out, and we're walking out of
the room and all of a sudden, we hear something
in a front room and I said, let's go. We're
gonna call it. You know, we got outside, said I'm
gonna call the Sheriff's department because we got some squatters.
The Sheriff's apartment shows up. I tell them what's going on.
I say, it's in the master bedroom and it's the
front room towards the front of the house probably, And
then two patrol cars show up to two deputies going
there to sweep the house. They're in there about ten minutes.
They come back out and I said, we didn't see
anybody run out the back door. They can't go out
the front door, and they can't go out windows. And
they proceeded to tell me that they that they found
no living person in the house, but when they pulled
that comforter back, they found a decaying carcass woman. When
they pulled the cover back, then you know, we later
found out that maybe two three months and uh, and
then they found nothing, no one in the then no
broken windows, no attic, and then none of that. And
we told them, what, you know, you guys, sure you
saw somebody internet, Yeah, we saw what looked like somebody
in that bed rolling over. Then I asked him, said,
did you was there any did you see any sign
of a raccoon or apostle? No, there was nothing under there.
And if it was a human, uh, you know, they
would have they would have definitely messed up that body
because it was nothing but mush. I mean, it just soup.
So I kicked back and I put my arms like this,
and I'm thinking, good, now, what did we see? You know?
What did we hear? So I started putting in my
head what was it? What was it? It's not It
wasn't no raccoon. Wasn't it possible? That was it? The
was it the deceased? Was it somebody else that may
have died in the house, like a boyfriend or a
husband or something. Of course I later found out it
was drug related, right, it wasn't on the side. So
here are the facts. The facts are this three people,
myself and two guys that worked for me. We saw
something in that bed. We saw it, all three of us.
We saw whatever it was rollover. Three of us saw
heard rather three of us heard something in the very
front room. And the questions are what was under the bed,
what was in the bed, and what was in the
front room. And for me, I could not come up
with any strange answer, strange questions, no strange answer, a
lot of why and a lot of head scratching. But
it did not It made it. I mean, if you
had to be there just to feel, uh, just how
eerie it felt. You heard that from the rifter O.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one is creepy, Phil that one, That one
got me a little bit because I was, I was.
That would be another question of mine is I will
wonder if there was an an animal big enough to
make it look like, you know, it was a body moving.
But then you address that, so that one is very creepy.
Holy smokes.
Speaker 3: That it's still you know, what what is? What are
Some of these paranormal TV guys say that the one
that I can't forget, you know, the top ten ones.
I can't forget. That's one of the top ten, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was a good one not good for
you at the time. I'm sure you're like you to
the sheriff, You're going, wait, excuse me that you didn't
find anybody?
Speaker 6: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: And then you know, of course after that, you know
we're we're there for another couple of hours because the
corner shows up, to state police show up, and we
have to give them statements. You know, you know, we
couldn't have done it. She's been dead for three months. Yeah,
you know, so we got stuck in that. Yeah, it's uh,
it's one I'll never forget for sure.
Speaker 2: God, that is a good one.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Shannon. I have another appointment here, of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course, yeah we can. We can make this
into a two part or no problem. But no, thank
you so much, Phil. I sure appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: So I was they find my parents? My business. I've
got such college.
Speaker 7: I've done these things in my profession. I produce a
little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not that's
some story, that's all gone, that's all passed.
Speaker 4: I want to see them, really, you who are now?
Speaker 8: When nobody knows who earnings is because we don't know
our silves except to listening to our eCos.
Speaker 7: And consulting our members.
Speaker 4: But then that's a really And then again it's expect
this question, God are you? That is the mean. We
shall see how they play.
Speaker 7: With the success but by the CODs.
Speaker 4: To get you to come out of your show and find.
Speaker 5: Out, I'm going to be really olds step.
Speaker 9: It's it's, it's.
Speaker 6: It's steps, it's examples, its.
Speaker 4: Aspects, for example, are quite divided on us.
Speaker 10: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different.
Speaker 4: Living somewhere else.
Speaker 10: They will say, reincarnation means this.
Speaker 5: If you're sitting here.
Speaker 7: Now, are really convinced.
Speaker 4: That you're the same person a boding at.
Speaker 9: The door half an hour ago, you'll be becoming.
Speaker 4: If you're liberating your mothers now that you're not. The
past hasn't insistence, The future doesn't insistence. There is only
the present.
Speaker 9: That's the only ameniam.
Speaker 3: Of the incident.
Speaker 10: The send master, don't get away in the space in.
Speaker 4: The spring does not become sumthense first there is some.
Speaker 7: Sense, and then there is spring.
Speaker 9: It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 8: Butts T S isn't that's the same idea four more days,
where he says, when you've settled down in the train,
you can read your newspaper, and so you're not the
same person.
Speaker 4: While I go and live in the plan. If you
think you are, you are linking your moments up in
the check.
Speaker 10: And this is what binds to the wheel, when you
know that every moment of which you are is the
only moment discount in des And the Master will say from.
Speaker 4: Somebody, I can have a bog across the rock and
it comes back and he says, where are your foot?
They've gone? So where are you? Who are you?
Speaker 7: When we are asked who we are, we usually give
a kind of recitation of an instrum stressence.