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Speaker 1: And now for a moment of clarity.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know what to believe from either side.

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In his case, there have been so many different pronouncements

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over the last several weeks. Maybe we can regard that

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as encouraging that maybe they're talking and maybe they're getting

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closers were in agreement. Let's hope. So I don't have

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confidence if that's the case, but let's hope that it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that we're in a space where

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we have a president who just doesn't have a fundamental

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understanding of what he stepped into. And I think it

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largely emanates from, if I really put a pin on it, Venezuela,

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because Venezuela, he looked at Venezuela, and how that went.

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Oh we got Maduro, Oh we got you know, we

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did this. The ships went in, we got the oil.

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We're making money. It's a good day in the neighborhood.

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And I know us not with Marco Rubio and Heck

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Seth and others told him. At least I would hope

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that they would tell him this is not going to

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be easy. There's a little thing called the straight of

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horror moves. There's a little thing called Iran and how

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they have functioned for forty seven years against the US.

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So what is it then, that seemingly US policy doesn't

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get about this moment. I get Trump is sort of

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dictating training as but you're meaning there's nothing in this

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government that can move the needle on this conversation beyond

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where it is right now that Trump understands and can

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listen to, because right now I don't if I'm Iran,

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there is no incentive to come back to the table

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to talk about anything. I mean, I've shut down the street, right,

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I control the price of aill you make a move,

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I fire a few missiles, upset the chain of movement,

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and further ships owners start back and off. They don't

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want to send their ships through there, no matter what

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Donald Trump says. And we've already seen that. So what

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does it take to kind of get us beyond this

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seemingly intractable point where this is now stretching out week

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after week where the President says, oh, we got to

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cease fire. Oh well we're gonna where you know, we're

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going to fire stuff off at them if they make

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a move, and Aron's like, we're still shooting at you.

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We haven't stopped shooting at you.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand, Look, Michael Warn a position where both

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sides should reach a deal here, but it's neither side

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seems to be able to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Catch Michael Steele on the weeknight Monday through Friday at

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seven pm Eastern on ms now