Speaker 1: It's Maria's Mutts and Stuff.
Speaker 2: What a great idea.
Speaker 1: On iHeartRadio, welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff and with me. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's a thrill for me because she's
Speaker 1: a returning guest. She's also a friend Michelle C. Hollow
Speaker 1: and her book The Adventures of Mary Anning Jurassic Girl.
Speaker 1: So Michelle, welcome back. I know it was. I had
Speaker 1: to look it up. The last time we spoke on
Speaker 1: Marias MutS and Stuff was October of twenty twenty one. Wow,
Speaker 1: long time, yep, long time. So for my listeners who
Speaker 1: I know, people who listen to Maria's MutS and Stuff
Speaker 1: and they pay attention. You're a writer and you're an editor,
Speaker 1: and you know you're right about the climate and pats
Speaker 1: and social justice and health and Jurassic Girl. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed this book. It's and I know it's it's aimed
Speaker 1: at you know, like middle school. Now I won't say children,
Speaker 1: but like you know, preteen age? Is that correct?
Speaker 3: It is? But it's for anybody. I just believe that
Speaker 3: pick up a book and read it. It could be
Speaker 3: I just did a story for Next Avenue on I
Speaker 3: gave my mom she has early dementia. Okay, and she
Speaker 3: just turned ninety three, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh God, bless her.
Speaker 2: Wow that's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yep. And she for her birthday I got
Speaker 3: her a book that it's a picture book and she
Speaker 3: she used to be a reading teacher and she was
Speaker 3: a fifth grade teacher. Wow, and kids and adults. You know,
Speaker 3: we think picture books kids, No, not just for kids.
Speaker 3: She was able to read this, and she read. After
Speaker 3: she read it, she told me exactly what happened in
Speaker 3: the book. It was fascinating, wonderful. So I did a
Speaker 3: story on this, and it's doctors have said that it's
Speaker 3: easier to read a book with pictures or newspaper or
Speaker 3: something with ads or photographs on the page because it
Speaker 3: breaks up the words when you're open up a book. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's like all these words and no art. It's
Speaker 3: hard for some brains to comprehend.
Speaker 1: But wow.
Speaker 3: So you know we're really big on just I mean,
Speaker 3: I grew up in a house where it was books, books.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's great. And of course you grew
Speaker 1: up to be a writer, which is wonderful. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about Jurassic Girl. What made you decide to write
Speaker 1: this book. I mean, I'll just for the person who
Speaker 1: hasn't picked up the book yet. It's basically about a
Speaker 1: twelve year old girl, Mary Anning, and she it's based
Speaker 1: on a true story. She was a fossil hunter, but
Speaker 1: back in the early eighteen hundreds, which I found to
Speaker 1: be so fascinating because you know why, she's a girl.
Speaker 1: And so let's talk about, like, what made you decide
Speaker 1: to write this book.
Speaker 3: Well, I write a lot about people that do incredible things,
Speaker 3: and I love talking to people. That's the best part
Speaker 3: of my job is the research. I love researching stories
Speaker 3: and I love talking to people and finding out, well,
Speaker 3: why do you do this? Why are you helping animals
Speaker 3: or people like why? And a few readers told me
Speaker 3: about Mary Anning. I did not know who she was,
Speaker 3: and her story really hit home because I also belong
Speaker 3: to the Facebook group group for science writers, and unfortunately,
Speaker 3: women in the scientific community don't always get credit for of.
Speaker 1: Course, don't get me started on that, but I yes,
Speaker 1: I understand, uh huh, yes.
Speaker 3: And yesterday I actually I gave a talk to a
Speaker 3: bunch of fourth graders in my community and the kids
Speaker 3: were so bright and so wonderful and a lot of
Speaker 3: girls were telling me they want to be palaeontologists.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: Few girls came up to me and they were like
Speaker 3: girl power and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, yes, I'll take that exactly, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: And the fact that you know back in the early
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, well when Mary found this, she was twelve
Speaker 3: years old. She found an Atheosaurus, which was she found
Speaker 3: it in two parts where she found the head and
Speaker 3: then the body. And this is over seventeen feet long.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the Jurassic Coast where she
Speaker 3: grew up, and this was all underwater. When the asteroid
Speaker 3: hit Earth sixty five million years ago, everything was underwater.
Speaker 3: The dinosaurs died out, but some did survive, and especially
Speaker 3: if they swam and they lived underwater. And the Asiosaurus
Speaker 3: is a reptilian. It is reptilian. The whole idea that
Speaker 3: she discovered this and the men which were all the
Speaker 3: scientific community there, the geology of the London Geology Geological Society,
Speaker 3: said no, she didn't get credit for this. Actually, the
Speaker 3: man she sold the fossil to was written up in
Speaker 3: the scientific journal for discovering this, and she was like, nope,
Speaker 3: I am going to pribe that I did this and
Speaker 3: how she did that, and she had a great dad.
Speaker 3: Her dad loved taking her out to fossil hunt, and
Speaker 3: from my research, I really got the feeling her dad
Speaker 3: was a cabinet maker, and I don't think he enjoyed
Speaker 3: his work as much as if he could. He would
Speaker 3: be out on the beach every day, fossil hunting rain
Speaker 3: or shine. And he took Mary as soon as she
Speaker 3: started walking with him, and Mary's mother was protective. I
Speaker 3: believe there were like ten or eleven siblings, but none
Speaker 3: of most only one other survived. Back then, you know,
Speaker 3: we didn't have vaccines. I don't know we could go into.
Speaker 1: That, but we didn't, right of course, it was the
Speaker 1: early eighteen hundreds. It's yeah, exactly because I was actually
Speaker 1: when I was reading it, and I as I read
Speaker 1: the book, of course and loved it, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: she came from a huge family. And then I realized, like,
Speaker 1: oh no, back then, you know, people had a lot
Speaker 1: of kids, but really not that many survived. You know,
Speaker 1: you kind of get into the brain of what we
Speaker 1: have today, and it's very different.
Speaker 3: M And also back then, being on the seaside, was
Speaker 3: it's not like this Calm Beach. Look, I grew up
Speaker 3: in New York, and we're not terribly wonderful in the
Speaker 3: city compared to like if you go to the Caribbean
Speaker 3: or something. Of course, all right, and it just she
Speaker 3: had to contend with falling rocks from the cliffs, from
Speaker 3: tides that can you know, the waves can just pull
Speaker 3: her in and that did happen a few times. And
Speaker 3: then think about what she wore back then, women of
Speaker 3: course didn't wear pants, right, they had boots, but they
Speaker 3: had she had a long dress. And climbing the cliff.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't imagine, right, No.
Speaker 3: No, Like everything she did was just amazing to me,
Speaker 3: and I really grew to adore her.
Speaker 2: I meant, really.
Speaker 3: Admire her greatly. And her mom, as I said, was
Speaker 3: over overprotective. Her dad would have given her Mary his tools,
Speaker 3: like the sharp knives and such to find, like if
Speaker 3: she found a fossil, often it was buried, it was
Speaker 3: covered in stone and she would have to chip away
Speaker 3: at that. He would have given it those tools to
Speaker 3: her before she was five, if her mind would have
Speaker 3: allowed it. Sure, yeah, yeah, understand that too, Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost I feel like if if she
Speaker 1: were in our time when you when we were growing up,
Speaker 1: she would be considered a tomboy, remember that that phrase, right,
Speaker 1: Because she also had an older brother, So I feel
Speaker 1: like between her dad and her older brother, you know,
Speaker 1: she was also very brave and she wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I hate to say, but she wasn't
Speaker 1: like a dainty girl because she was just very interested
Speaker 1: in doing stuff just for the sake, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to discover this stuff and I want to go digging.
Speaker 1: So she definitely was almost like a Rosie the Riveter
Speaker 1: before Rosie was ever born.
Speaker 3: You know. Well, I like the fact that it didn't
Speaker 3: bother her that she had dirt in her fingernails of course,
Speaker 3: collected dirt in her boots and such. You know, when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I was very lucky. I grew
Speaker 3: up in the Bronx. My mom had enrolled me in
Speaker 3: zoology classes at the Bronx Chological Society. Fun yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah no, because when I was very little, I either
Speaker 3: wanted to be a writer or a veterinarian. Those two nice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So I took zoology classes at the zoo
Speaker 3: and after each session, the zoologists would come out with
Speaker 3: an animal, and we got to handle them, we got
Speaker 3: to go. I mean it was just small, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't care. How if I came home
Speaker 3: and there was dirt under my fingernails, it was fine, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what Mary was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could kind of relate to that. And
Speaker 3: I mean it was hard. She didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of friends because girls didn't.
Speaker 1: Do that, right, right, she was very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right. And then when she found what she discovered,
Speaker 3: no one had ever seen this before. This was at
Speaker 3: a time when extinction was just starting to become an idea.
Speaker 3: And I mean, just imagine you discover something that no
Speaker 3: one's ever seen before. How do you describe it? What
Speaker 3: is it? And the whole idea of you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of people thought crocodile. It had all these teeth,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't a crocodile, and they figured it out
Speaker 3: it was an etheosaurus.
Speaker 1: But which is why that's like a fish lizard? Is
Speaker 1: that correct?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, fish lizard? Right for those who are like, wait,
Speaker 1: what is that? Because I didn't know what it was either.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I learned reading the book, but and
Speaker 1: then I looked up that of course, I mean they're
Speaker 1: now extinct and they probably have been for a long time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I mean extinction didn't happen. I mean, well it did,
Speaker 3: but in people's minds, and a lot of it came
Speaker 3: from religion, Like God wouldn't have created something that died
Speaker 3: out right, right, But she believed and she even she
Speaker 3: went to Sunday School and her priests used to be
Speaker 3: was a fossil hunter. Oh, they believe, they believe that
Speaker 3: science and religion could coexist, which is a nice thought.
Speaker 1: It's a nice thought. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: You know it can't exist, yes, yes, so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating story. I mean, how long did it take
Speaker 1: you to do all this research? And how was it
Speaker 1: finding this research? Just because it was something that you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't learn about her in school and you know
Speaker 1: it was so long ago.
Speaker 3: That was an issue for me. When I do a story,
Speaker 3: it's about somebody who's done some thing to day or
Speaker 3: lifetime that is alive and I can actually call that person,
Speaker 3: I can meet with that person. I can find out
Speaker 3: how did you do this? I could ask questions and
Speaker 3: get responses this. You know, I don't have a time machine.
Speaker 3: I couldn't go back and interview Mary. So I actually
Speaker 3: found a book. It's called The Fossil Hunter by Shelley Emling.
Speaker 3: It's a biography and she did research and I found
Speaker 3: out she contacted the lime Regis Museum, which is where
Speaker 3: Mary grew up, in the town of lime Regis, and
Speaker 3: last year they Lime Regius Museum developed a Mary Anning Wing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there are researchers there and I sent them a
Speaker 3: lot of questions. I was like, can you answer this
Speaker 3: and this and this? And they was very patient and
Speaker 3: I got all the information I needed. And I also
Speaker 3: looked online. There is some stuff, some stories about her,
Speaker 3: but it's pretty brief, and a lot of them are
Speaker 3: pretty repetitious about this young twelve year old that found something.
Speaker 3: But to get to learn about her background, her family,
Speaker 3: what Lime Regis was like. And then I got really
Speaker 3: lucky because I couldn't and I was trying to picture
Speaker 3: what the cliffs and the seaside look like. I'm thinking, again,
Speaker 3: New York are okay, the Caribbean, but it's still flat
Speaker 3: and such. This is not at all like this. It's huge.
Speaker 3: It's really really huge. And a cousin of mine that
Speaker 3: I'm close to put me in touch with another cousin
Speaker 3: who lives in London, and she went there it's about
Speaker 3: a three hour drive, and took pictures and sent me
Speaker 3: a picture of the Oh perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a picture. In the picture, there's someone there
Speaker 3: wearing a bright blue sweater forst just to show the scale.
Speaker 3: But he's like a dot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so. I mean, the cliffs are high, huh,
Speaker 3: the beach is just it's it is really finding that
Speaker 3: needle in a haystack and learning about the difference between
Speaker 3: a fossil and a real rock, just the whole idea.
Speaker 3: And I had to do a lot of research. I
Speaker 3: did a lot of you know, when I first put
Speaker 3: this together, I thought, I'm just going to focus on
Speaker 3: age twelve. And in the back of the book, I
Speaker 3: have her other accomplishments.
Speaker 1: Which I loved. I loved the like, oh, well, what
Speaker 1: happened to her? You know, it's a real story. What
Speaker 1: happened Michelle? And you told us well?
Speaker 3: And I opened with the book. I mean, being a journalist,
Speaker 3: if I'm interviewing anybody, I want to check and double check,
Speaker 3: of course, and make sure everything's right. I couldn't do
Speaker 3: that in this so my intro, which is like a page,
Speaker 3: I explained that I made up all the dialogue. Beach.
Speaker 1: I figured that, yeah, of course, because how would you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they even had, you know,
Speaker 1: a cassette deck back then. Yeah, there will be no
Speaker 1: record of that. But you know what, the dialogue was believable,
Speaker 1: especially you know, between her and her brother and and
Speaker 1: her mom being protective and her dad being like, oh
Speaker 1: you know, this is my girl, come, and you know
Speaker 1: it was it was believable.
Speaker 3: And her brother was also important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very important to that story. Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: And if you read any of Dickens and about how
Speaker 3: child labor law, well no, no child labor laws, right,
Speaker 3: children were treated back in the day. And Joseph, her brother,
Speaker 3: was very lucky that he worked. He was upholstery like
Speaker 3: an apprentice, right, apprentice, right exactly, thank you.
Speaker 1: Sure he.
Speaker 3: Was lucky to work there, and not like in a
Speaker 3: big city like in London, because in London, kids ten
Speaker 3: years old stood at the station, at their stations, making
Speaker 3: whatever it was they were making in the factories for
Speaker 3: twelve hours a day. That was not unusual. He had
Speaker 3: gruel and you know, they had like a few minutes
Speaker 3: to eat that and then right and if they made
Speaker 3: a mistake, they can get whipped or you know, shard.
Speaker 3: And you know, it was pretty awful, all right. It
Speaker 3: sounded like Joseph's boss was Cone was.
Speaker 1: A decent man. Yes, absolutely, it did sound like that
Speaker 1: he was. He was like, Joseph was lucky to get
Speaker 1: that job, but he knew how lucky he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, that's I mean, that's what I got out
Speaker 1: of it as well.
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah, and then yeah, no, and his and Mary,
Speaker 3: like Joseph of course contributed to the household. And Mary also,
Speaker 3: I mean the tourists from London and other cities would
Speaker 3: come and she'd sell the fossils that she found. Them
Speaker 3: were ammonites, which were small and I had since learned
Speaker 3: that they range in size from as small as a
Speaker 3: belly button to like a bicycle tire.
Speaker 1: Oh really, okay, wow, I would never think that, but okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It's telepods that you know, like squid and octopus remains
Speaker 3: so embedded into these stones, into the you know, the
Speaker 3: right it's and I mean there's just so much and
Speaker 3: doing the research and talking about this to kids, and
Speaker 3: maybe I said, yesterday, I was at a school, and
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a new stegosaurus right now at the museum,
Speaker 3: American Museum in Natural.
Speaker 2: History, So I saw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I was looking at YouTube and there
Speaker 3: was a paleontologist who was interviewed and they were talking
Speaker 3: about how a lot of the fossils the dinosaurs that
Speaker 3: we see are not complete because you know, when the
Speaker 3: asteroid hit and bones were scattered, it wasn't like it
Speaker 3: was just buried in one spot. So a lot of
Speaker 3: the dinosaurs skeletons that we see are you know, a
Speaker 3: percentage of dinosaur bones and then a percentage of copied materials.
Speaker 1: Right look like bones.
Speaker 3: So I mean I find that also fascinating.
Speaker 1: It is, and it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just talking to palaeontologists, I mean I'm going
Speaker 3: a little off, you know, on tangent here. But this
Speaker 3: paleontologist I interviewed for a story about taking your kids
Speaker 3: on a on a fossil dig. She was saying when
Speaker 3: she was little, like all kids go through this this
Speaker 3: dinosaur phase they do yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean
Speaker 3: and like they know every name and yeah, and then
Speaker 3: they forget Yeah. But she was telling me. You know,
Speaker 3: she went through that phase and then you know it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what am I going to do when I grow up?
Speaker 3: And she's studying other things, and there was an event
Speaker 3: that she went to with dinosaurs and she said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be a paleontologist. And she said to me,
Speaker 3: my worst experience, my worst day on the job was
Speaker 3: I'm out in Montana in this big field and there
Speaker 3: starts to hail. It's cold, right, she covers herself with
Speaker 3: a tarp and she finds these enormous dinosaur bones and
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, this is her words. Oh dang, how
Speaker 3: in the world am I going to carry this? Right?
Speaker 1: That's her worst day worst right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she marked the area and they came back with help.
Speaker 1: And tools, and now it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Frans supported, Yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 1: It's really fascinating, you know, and probably I mean obviously
Speaker 1: to them, they just like Mary in the book, they
Speaker 1: look at something and they know, well, it's a fossil,
Speaker 1: that's a dinosaur bone, which to us, you know what,
Speaker 1: we don't know what that is, just could be a rock,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's really uh, you know, we appreciate them,
Speaker 1: and it's just I just found the book so fascinating,
Speaker 1: and it was an easy read and an easy meaning
Speaker 1: that you like the characters and you want to see
Speaker 1: what happens. Was Elizabeth or a true a real person
Speaker 1: of Mary's friend? She was oh interesting because that was
Speaker 1: kind of cool too that she had another like another
Speaker 1: girl who was a little bit older, but another girl
Speaker 1: who was also interested.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why they connected. It's like all
Speaker 3: these other girls are like, well, who are you going
Speaker 3: to marry?
Speaker 1: And we're right?
Speaker 3: They were right and right. So here was this person
Speaker 3: she meets on the beach who's fossil hunting and like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing here? Because some days Mary had
Speaker 3: the beach to herself. I mean occasionally there were people
Speaker 3: fishing for dinner, you know, but they weren't fossil hunting.
Speaker 3: And here's this other woman fossil hunting, and so they
Speaker 3: became friends. Elizabeth had come from a wealth, wealthy family.
Speaker 3: Her parents had passed, but her brother, he was a lawyer,
Speaker 3: and he knew a lot of people in the London
Speaker 3: geelo society, so she knew a lot of people there too,
Speaker 3: and she and her two sisters were living They were
Speaker 3: living on the top of the Hill of the Cliffs
Speaker 3: in a very nice area and they had library and
Speaker 3: she she was pretty, as I said, well to do yeah,
Speaker 3: but she and Mary had the fossils.
Speaker 1: Right in common. Yeah, and they were like really close friends.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know why it's going to sound crazy,
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy to know that Elizabeth is real
Speaker 1: because there was something also, you know, it shows you again,
Speaker 1: It's like that was a slice of true friends. Don't
Speaker 1: care if one is rich one is poor, you know
Speaker 1: what the other person looks like, or does you know?
Speaker 1: Friendship is friendship? And I don't. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you realize that you showed a slice of what
Speaker 1: true friendship is because it's based on nothing just having
Speaker 1: stuff in common.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. And there was an age difference, there was
Speaker 3: a class difference.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth, like you said, came from a well to do family,
Speaker 1: but you know, Mary took her over to her house
Speaker 1: for dinner and didn't care, and Elizabeth didn't care. So
Speaker 1: there was also that whole thing too, which I was like, yay,
Speaker 1: we need a book like this right now, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I really enjoyed it. I really did well.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'm so thrilled. I'm really real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was great. So well, the question I
Speaker 1: always have and I know that you know, this is
Speaker 1: a recent project and it took a lot for you
Speaker 1: to do this book, especially, like you said, it's not
Speaker 1: like you could call a relative or someone to speak
Speaker 1: for Mary. Besides, I know you you're always writing articles
Speaker 1: and interviewing people. Do you have another book that you
Speaker 1: might be thinking about or that you were toying with?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: Okay? Can you talk? Can you hint about it?
Speaker 3: I can't. Yeah, I can. Actually, before I studied, you know,
Speaker 3: and immersed myself and Mary Annie there, I wanted to
Speaker 3: do a story about Study and I'm guessing you know
Speaker 3: Study is dog.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he.
Speaker 3: Was the First World War One service, Yes, and yeah.
Speaker 3: And before I did all this Mary Anning research, Mary
Speaker 3: Anning was easier in the sense that I had people
Speaker 3: to talk to as far as well. It was mainly
Speaker 3: emails through the the Lime Regis researchers in England. But
Speaker 3: I started putting something together and Study and I want
Speaker 3: to go back and and rework that good. I didn't
Speaker 3: know how to write a based on a true story
Speaker 3: without make, you know, with making up stuff I don't
Speaker 3: want to make up. You know, everything Stubby did was
Speaker 3: pretty amazing. You know, he came from Connecticut, found on
Speaker 3: an army base, and I believe that the the military,
Speaker 3: the person in the army, Robert Conroy, when he found Stubby,
Speaker 3: I mean it was he was instrumental in training this dog.
Speaker 3: He found him as the puppy. And I've done stories
Speaker 3: for different websites about service people and their dogs, and
Speaker 3: every person in the military has said to me, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not me, it's the dog, and it's like, no,
Speaker 3: I truly truly believe it's them too. They are, of
Speaker 3: course none of it. Yes, And I think you do
Speaker 3: know that I love animals, of.
Speaker 2: Course you do.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. How we became friends in the
Speaker 1: first place. Annection as always, Yes, So I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So I've got to go to the it's
Speaker 3: like the American History museums in the Smithsonian and DC
Speaker 3: and I got to read through Robert Conroy's Roy's scrap
Speaker 3: book and there's a lot of news articles and such
Speaker 3: and he uh like the articles. You know, newspaper articles
Speaker 3: unfortunately aren't always one hundred percent correct, right, kind of
Speaker 3: the same type of article for different publications. They had
Speaker 3: Stubby as a male dog, which he was, and one
Speaker 3: had Stubby as a female dog, which is not true.
Speaker 3: So it was like looking through this looking through his
Speaker 3: notes and letters and learning about World War One because
Speaker 3: I really, honestly did not know much about it. And
Speaker 3: this dog was awarded medals from three US presidents.
Speaker 1: Right, I do remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he saved the whole troop from a guess
Speaker 3: attack because their sense of.
Speaker 1: Smell is sure, it's so amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so that's your next project, which, of course
Speaker 1: we'll have to talk about when that is done.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, of course, you know it's still new and.
Speaker 1: Okay, well thanks for sharing it. Yeah, well, but in
Speaker 1: the meantime, The Adventures of Mary Anning Jurassic Girl by
Speaker 1: michelse Hollow. Michelle, where can my listeners get your book?
Speaker 3: Any bookstore? Go to your bookstore if they don't have it.
Speaker 3: I was actually thrilled. I went to the bookstore in
Speaker 3: the next town and they had it. Oh nice, Yeah
Speaker 3: it was. It was a big thrill.
Speaker 1: No, that is a thrill. Did you take a picture
Speaker 1: of that book? Oh you did, good girl?
Speaker 3: If like it's fair, it is, yes, yes, and I
Speaker 3: tell people if you do not have a local bookstore
Speaker 3: that you can go to or Barnes and Noble bookshop
Speaker 3: dot org. I'm not getting any money from them for this,
Speaker 3: but bookshop dot org is an online service where a
Speaker 3: percent of the sale and it's still the cover price
Speaker 3: of the books. It's not like they're charging you more.
Speaker 3: A percent goes to the local bookstores where the book
Speaker 3: is right.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I will talk to other authors and
Speaker 1: they've told me to bookshop dot org. I've heard that before,
Speaker 1: so yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could get it out of Amazon, and everyone says, well,
Speaker 3: I should talk about it on Amazon. Talk of Amazon,
Speaker 3: because you know it's good to get a good Amazon review.
Speaker 3: But I do like bookshop dot org and I like
Speaker 3: supporting the.
Speaker 1: Local life of course. Yes, no, that's then it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could ask your local library. I know
Speaker 3: it's in my local library, so that is good, and
Speaker 3: so it's pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well that's good though, Well, that's good. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: whoever is listening to this right now will want to
Speaker 1: read it because you know, it's it's fascinating just because yes,
Speaker 1: it's girl power, but she's twelve years old. It's a
Speaker 1: true story. It's way before any of our time, early
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. So it's just it's interesting in so many
Speaker 1: different ways. So thank you for sharing it with us,
Speaker 1: thank you for talking about it, and thank you for
Speaker 1: writing it, because you know, we girl power. It's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, we need you know, no offense. Guys, you
Speaker 1: know we love you, but you know it's I'm a
Speaker 1: mom to two boys exactly, so yes.
Speaker 3: I love boys. But it was interesting seeing the girls
Speaker 3: because I'm new to doing this whole speaking to her
Speaker 3: about the book, to hear the girls talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: like how did you find her? And this is so
Speaker 3: good for us. And then today and that Science check
Speaker 3: online people were women were complaining about the lack of
Speaker 3: women in scientific journals and they do get in occasionally,
Speaker 3: but it is harder and they don't always get credit.
Speaker 1: And correct and this is a perfect example. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: your book was exactly that she didn't get credit.
Speaker 2: So so thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, thank you for writing this and
Speaker 1: thank you for talking about it. Jurassic Girl The Adventures
Speaker 1: of Mary Anning from Michelle se Hollow and Michelle, we
Speaker 1: will talk when your next book is done and we'll
Speaker 1: talk again.
Speaker 3: So thank you, okay, and I will listen to you,
Speaker 3: which I always do.
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