Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen in this corner from the University of Colorado,
Speaker 1: thirty years in the rain, fighting for truth, justice and
Speaker 1: the American way.
Speaker 2: The American radio is winning once again. So glad you
Speaker 2: are here. A big news of the day, President Trump
Speaker 2: just revoked Joe Biden's security clearance, which I think was
Speaker 2: an absolutely necessary move. But we'll get more details, including
Speaker 2: the President's tweet on that, and then we also are
Speaker 2: going to have the privilege in a second. Really, one
Speaker 2: of the best parts of this job, and there are
Speaker 2: so many great parts over the years, has been getting
Speaker 2: to talk to heroes in different forms around the state,
Speaker 2: around the country, around the world. And one of those
Speaker 2: joins us right now. Her name is Millie Freed, and
Speaker 2: she's at the center of this very important story out
Speaker 2: of Steamboat that's dominated our show for several days now,
Speaker 2: where you had this this elk get caught in a
Speaker 2: deep snowbank up to its neck and it was obviously
Speaker 2: going to perish, and Milly tried very hard to save
Speaker 2: the elks. She tried to get the state involved. The state,
Speaker 2: in my view, very wrongly refused to help. Milly then
Speaker 2: organized a rescue party, but by the time they got there,
Speaker 2: it was too late. So Milly, welcome to the Dan
Speaker 2: Kaplis Show. Appreciate you being here.
Speaker 3: Thank you Dan, glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, And Milly, if you'd be kind enough to just
Speaker 2: tell the story through your own eyes. You know, I
Speaker 2: brought it up on the show a few days ago,
Speaker 2: and I thought that we talk about it for a segment.
Speaker 2: Our segments are about nine minutes. I thought it was
Speaker 2: so important to bring it up because I thought that
Speaker 2: you were heroic. The state was so wrong not to
Speaker 2: intervene and help, and your neighbors were so great to
Speaker 2: come from miles away to try to help. But by
Speaker 2: then it was too late, and we've had so many
Speaker 2: telling calls over the last three days on it. I'm
Speaker 2: sure folks would love to hear the story from you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd love to tell it because unfortunately the paper
Speaker 3: got some information wrong. Okay, So I'm glad you've given
Speaker 3: me the opportunity to tell the story the way it
Speaker 3: really played out. So what happened. I was coming back
Speaker 3: one morning from town, and we live about twenty minutes
Speaker 3: from Steamboat, so not far, and on my driveway up
Speaker 3: to my home, I see this beautiful elk standing by
Speaker 3: the fence, and I snapped the photo of it because
Speaker 3: she looked beautiful. And as I passed her very slowly
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to spooker, I still managed to
Speaker 3: spook her and she turned around and ran back down
Speaker 3: into this gully where there's this seasonal stream and these
Speaker 3: aspen trees. And as she ran, I was watching her
Speaker 3: in my rear view mirror, and I could see she
Speaker 3: was running through this heavy snow that was deep. And
Speaker 3: I looked and I thought, you know, elk live in
Speaker 3: the forest, this is what they do. I'm sure she'll
Speaker 3: be fine. I didn't really give it much thought. And
Speaker 3: then later that afternoon, early afternoon, my husband went out
Speaker 3: without dogs to give him a walk, and he told
Speaker 3: me that the elk was still there, and she snapped
Speaker 3: the photo of it, and we went out and we
Speaker 3: had a look, and she was pretty much up to
Speaker 3: her neck and you could see that she was trying.
Speaker 3: You could see the path that she had made in
Speaker 3: the snow trying to get out, but she just couldn't
Speaker 3: get out. It was too deep and heavy and wet.
Speaker 3: So at that point I called CPW and told him
Speaker 3: what had happened, and sent them a photo of the elk,
Speaker 3: the original photo and then the second photo showing that
Speaker 3: she was stuck up to her neck in snow. They
Speaker 3: called me back and said that, you know, they'd hate
Speaker 3: to have to put a bullet in her, and that
Speaker 3: we should just let nature take its course. And the
Speaker 3: ranger seemed to think that she was somewhat thin. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in elk, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: but she looked pretty healthy to me, but I guess
Speaker 3: she was fin and I kind of just took his advice.
Speaker 3: And I really am upset with myself for doing that,
Speaker 3: because later that afternoon, early evening, my husband went back
Speaker 3: out to check on her and she was still there
Speaker 3: and she wasn't getting out, And at that point I started,
Speaker 3: I thought, forget it. I'm not waiting for this guy.
Speaker 3: I'm not waiting for CPW. We're just going to get
Speaker 3: the neighbors and we're going to dig a path out
Speaker 3: for her, you know. So got on the phone and
Speaker 3: started calling, and there were several neighbors that said they
Speaker 3: wanted to come out that night and try to do
Speaker 3: it in the dark, and because of the terrain being uneven,
Speaker 3: we and we didn't have the lighting to make it
Speaker 3: fully bright. I didn't think it was smart because I
Speaker 3: didn't want anyone else to get hurt in the process.
Speaker 3: So we decided to wait until first light and get
Speaker 3: everybody you know together and start digging. And subsequently in
Speaker 3: the group is a neighbor who's young and he does hunting,
Speaker 3: and he was giving us some ideas on what would
Speaker 3: be the best way to dig this path and to
Speaker 3: get her to go down it. So we were taking
Speaker 3: his advice and the plan was first thing, first light,
Speaker 3: we were all going to get together, and there was
Speaker 3: about ten of us, and we all live on fair
Speaker 3: amounts of acreage, and so some people were coming from
Speaker 3: five miles away. And so in the morning, my husband
Speaker 3: went out at six point thirty in the morning to
Speaker 3: see how the elk was doing and if she had
Speaker 3: survived the night, and she was fine at six thirty
Speaker 3: in the morning, so he raced back up to the
Speaker 3: house and grabbed a cup of coffee and went back
Speaker 3: down to meet all the neighbors at first light, which
Speaker 3: was at seventh in the morning, and by the time
Speaker 3: he got back there, she had passed away. It was
Speaker 3: really really tragic because the point of the story was
Speaker 3: I needed CPW to come out, and that's the animals.
Speaker 3: They needed to come out and see if she was injured,
Speaker 3: if she was diseased, if she was whatever was wrong
Speaker 3: with her or not, and if if she really wasn't
Speaker 3: going to make it through the night, and put the
Speaker 3: animal out of its misery. Don't make it suffer in
Speaker 3: the freezing cold and in pain for twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: And that was the the the infuriating part of this
Speaker 3: whole story, and the fact that so many willing neighbors,
Speaker 3: so many compassionate people, didn't felt the way I did.
Speaker 3: That they were willing to own well being to come
Speaker 3: out and try and dig this animal in the dark.
Speaker 2: Well, God love you. I mean, you guys did everything right.
Speaker 2: I mean you are the best of all of us
Speaker 2: right in this state. Let you down. The state left
Speaker 2: this animal down. And I just don't understand that being
Speaker 2: willing to allow a creature to suffer all night freezing
Speaker 2: like that, I just don't get that. As you say, okay,
Speaker 2: if you're not going to free the animal, and I
Speaker 2: think they should have freed the animal that then just
Speaker 2: put it out of its misery. Correct, Oh, how heartbreaking
Speaker 2: and how tough for you and your husband to go
Speaker 2: through this and your friends because you're doing all this work,
Speaker 2: you're doing everything to save this animal, and you're just
Speaker 2: not getting the help from the authorities who get everybody's
Speaker 2: tax dollars so they can go do these things.
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is we don't live so rule
Speaker 3: that it was a distance for the ranger to come.
Speaker 3: You know, we live on roads. It's twenty minute drive out.
Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. All he had to do
Speaker 3: was just come look at the animal and didn't want
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh, so it would have been to Milly freed, our guests,
Speaker 2: just a real hero here who was let down in
Speaker 2: my view, by the state. But million, how far would
Speaker 2: the ranger have had to come?
Speaker 3: I think we're about fourteen miles from town. Twelve No,
Speaker 3: twelve miles twelve mile from town.
Speaker 2: Oh, give me a breaking Yeah, I don't care if
Speaker 2: it was an hour. I mean, that's that should be.
Speaker 2: And we heard yesterday from a gentleman who'd been with
Speaker 2: Parks and Wildlife forever and he was outraged about what
Speaker 2: had happened to you and what had happened to this
Speaker 2: beautiful elk. And he told all these stories about in
Speaker 2: his thirty years there, how they would be rescuing bats
Speaker 2: even and deer and fawn and elk, and they'd go
Speaker 2: in to get him abilitated. So this, to me, my opinion,
Speaker 2: just heartless and wrong. But you guys, you guys, just
Speaker 2: I think you've struck a chord with people all over
Speaker 2: the state because just just so many people just outraged
Speaker 2: letting this animal suffer. Now, as you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: so glad you joined us on air. There was this
Speaker 2: mention in the paper saying that the elk had perished
Speaker 2: while you guys were having a breakfast, which would have
Speaker 2: been in my mind, perfectly appropriate get some fuel before
Speaker 2: you go out there. But it sounds like you guys
Speaker 2: had gathered and were ready to go out when the
Speaker 2: elk passed.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, had we were ready to
Speaker 3: go at first life. Wow, And that was a misrepresentation
Speaker 3: on the paper's part, but yeah, we were ready to go.
Speaker 3: And I feel badly because when the ranger told me
Speaker 3: that early afternoon, I should have jumped on it and
Speaker 3: just called everybody, and maybe we would have been able
Speaker 3: to do something before I don't know.
Speaker 2: But you did everything right and at that point, you've
Speaker 2: reached out to authorities. They've said, you know, the animal
Speaker 2: will work it out essentially right, and you waited to
Speaker 2: see if that would happen. Now, I think you are
Speaker 2: absolutely heroic here, and my understand, Millie, can you join
Speaker 2: us for part of the next segment?
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to rush the end of this because
Speaker 2: there are a couple of more questions and I know
Speaker 2: that people are just really really wanting to hear from
Speaker 2: you on this. So if you just joined us, Milli
Speaker 2: Freed that the woman who so heroically, along with others,
Speaker 2: tried to save this elk will stay with us for
Speaker 2: one more segment. I have a couple of follow up
Speaker 2: questions based on some news reports here on the Dankpla show. No,
Speaker 2: we've got a real hero on the line. Milli Freed
Speaker 2: is with us. This wonderful woman from Steamboat who, along
Speaker 2: with her neighbors, took extraordinary action to try to save
Speaker 2: an elk that was dying, that was freezing to death.
Speaker 2: And this was after the state in mind you had
Speaker 2: abandoned her. She did everything right. She was trying to
Speaker 2: get the state's help to either save the animal or
Speaker 2: to end its misery. So the animal wasn't stuck in
Speaker 2: its up to its neck in snow all night and
Speaker 2: dying a long and painful death. So we're grateful to
Speaker 2: have Milly with us because so many people around the
Speaker 2: state are so interested in this story. Mellian, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at a quote from Abraham Lincoln. I am in favor
Speaker 2: of animal rights as well as human rights. That is
Speaker 2: the way of the whole human being. And Albert Einstein,
Speaker 2: if a man aspires toward a righteous life, his first
Speaker 2: act of abstinence is from injury to animals. I mean,
Speaker 2: we all know right that any decent person would never
Speaker 2: excuse me, let an animal sit there and writhe in pain.
Speaker 2: So thank you for what you did to try to
Speaker 2: save the animal, and I hope the state has learned
Speaker 2: from this. Has there been any follow up from the
Speaker 2: state after all of this publicity?
Speaker 3: No, no, I think I they didn't. The paper did
Speaker 3: not interview the rangers that I spoke with, and they
Speaker 3: just kind of said, well, let nature take its course,
Speaker 3: which I found was not right. And everybody else that's
Speaker 3: read the article has been up in arms over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like code for laziness to me, and
Speaker 2: then when we hear from this gentleman yesterday you said
Speaker 2: he was a ranger or higher up for thirty years,
Speaker 2: and the extraordinary links they would go to as rangers
Speaker 2: to alleviate suffering of animals, to save animals, it just
Speaker 2: sounds so wrong. There's been a lot of questions also
Speaker 2: about the health of the animal. You've described it as
Speaker 2: a beautiful elk, and then I think at least the
Speaker 2: status tried to imply that the animal was some sort
Speaker 2: of sickly beast. But my understanding is, if anything, it
Speaker 2: was thin and needed some food.
Speaker 3: Yes, it looked and actually I mentioned I thought, can
Speaker 3: we take it some food? But no, apparently the ranger
Speaker 3: from the photograph that I seemed to think that the
Speaker 3: animal was. Then what we discovered when the animal passed,
Speaker 3: we called them up. They came out of the house.
Speaker 3: Then after the animals died to look at it, to
Speaker 3: look at it to determine if it was diseased or sick,
Speaker 3: and the ranger determined that it was not, And a
Speaker 3: neighbor of ows actually pulled the elk out of the
Speaker 3: snow and we discovered that it had a broken leg.
Speaker 3: So when it turned and ran is when it broke
Speaker 3: its leg.
Speaker 2: You know, And I'm sorry, but I'm just furious that
Speaker 2: you did everything right and the state didn't come out
Speaker 2: and just put that animal out of its misery. I
Speaker 2: just don't understand that mentality is somebody in the States
Speaker 2: that this is their job and they're going to let
Speaker 2: that animal sit there and suffer for ten, twelve, fifteen hours.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. And I think if
Speaker 3: somebody the ranger that didn't do his job, I think
Speaker 3: the States should have taken responsibility and said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: didn't do it. We're going to look into this, we're
Speaker 3: going to fix it. We're going to make sure this
Speaker 3: doesn't happen again. But if you read the article when
Speaker 3: they interviewed CPW, it was more of just well, you know,
Speaker 3: we'll it na sture take its course, yeah, which I
Speaker 3: think is so very wrong.
Speaker 2: No, I do too, And what I took from the
Speaker 2: article was just a bunch of bureaucratic cya type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Listen, I mess up in my life,
Speaker 2: and then I've been raised since I was a little kid. Okay,
Speaker 2: you make a mistake, admit it, do better, don't do
Speaker 2: it again. Learn from it, and there's no indication that
Speaker 2: the state's going to learn from this change what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I didn't get that impression at all,
Speaker 3: and I was hoping maybe they would follow up, but
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, they have not. Nobody's called nothing.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I am so thankful to you, you know, for you
Speaker 2: were there. You were on the scene doing everything that
Speaker 2: you could, to your neighbors who came out at first light,
Speaker 2: you know, came out at six thirty in the morning
Speaker 2: with shovels to try to save that animal. I mean,
Speaker 2: you represent the best of us, and I'm just so
Speaker 2: sorry the state let you down. I'm still hopeful that
Speaker 2: even though they're not admitting their failure, that based upon
Speaker 2: the media coverage of this and you having the courage
Speaker 2: to speak out, that maybe they'll do it better next time.
Speaker 2: And maybe you know, you did everything you could to
Speaker 2: save this animal, but maybe what you've really done is
Speaker 2: save a lot more animals down the road.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny that you say that, because
Speaker 3: that's what everybody's been saying, that maybe this animal it
Speaker 3: will represent that other animals will get save down the road.
Speaker 3: So I certainly hope so.
Speaker 2: Right well, thank you million, thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2: I hope we meet in person someday.
Speaker 3: That would be lovely. Thanks Dan, you.
Speaker 2: Take care of that is MILLI freed And you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of good people in the world, you know,
Speaker 2: you know how news is. It's news because it's different,
Speaker 2: so it's usually bad stuff. But there's so many great
Speaker 2: people in the world. And I'm really really happy we
Speaker 2: had a chance to talk to Millie. And I've got
Speaker 2: to believe probably ninety five to ninety eight percent of
Speaker 2: the folks who are joining this conversation right now, you know,
Speaker 2: would applaud million want to do the same thing, because
Speaker 2: I just think we're created that way. We're wired that way,
Speaker 2: you know, to want to alleviate suffering and animals we
Speaker 2: have this stewardship, right whether you believe in God or not,
Speaker 2: you just know it the way you're wired, we have
Speaker 2: this stewardship. We're responsible for him. And yeah, we're supposed
Speaker 2: to eat them because we're supposed to sustain and continue
Speaker 2: on this earth and be healthy and strong, but we're
Speaker 2: supposed to treat them with respect. And the ultimate dissor
Speaker 2: inspect is letting an animal suffer in pain like that
Speaker 2: hour after hour no, and hopefully the state got the message.
Speaker 2: Even though they're not, you know, person enough to admit
Speaker 2: it that this is wrong. It will not be accepted
Speaker 2: by the people. I'll bet you we'll never know for sure, right,
Speaker 2: but I'll bet you that Millie has saved a lot
Speaker 2: of other animals in the future by speaking out on this.
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Speaker 2: Will take text and calls on this when we come back.
Speaker 2: But then also a news of the day President Trump
Speaker 2: short time ago, he cancels Joe Biden's security clearance, which
Speaker 2: I think is absolutely essential, and I'd be surprised if
Speaker 2: anybody on either side of the aisle will oppose that,
Speaker 2: and I hope they do, just because again it's what
Speaker 2: Scott Jennings said yesterday, right, Trump's taking the eighty side
Speaker 2: of all these eighty twenty issues, and then Democrats just
Speaker 2: because they, hey, Trump are taking the twenty side, which
Speaker 2: is beautiful because it just exposes that the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: for what it has become and an American needs, because
Speaker 2: America needs the Democratic Party to fail, it needs the
Speaker 2: modern Democratic Party to fail. And the Democratic Party fortunately
Speaker 2: is cooperating in that essential endeavor eight five five for
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Speaker 2: seven seven thirty nine You're on the Dan Kapla Show
Speaker 2: five thirty five. Glad you're here thanks to Millie Freed,
Speaker 2: the wonderful woman from Steamboat who went to such heroic
Speaker 2: links to save that elk, that elk who died such
Speaker 2: a slow and painful death because the state wouldn't respond,
Speaker 2: either rescue it or to put it out of its misery.
Speaker 2: So but but it just comes back to, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've seen it in your own life in a
Speaker 2: hundred different ways, right that that people are so good,
Speaker 2: you know, people who disagree with you on political stuff,
Speaker 2: people who you know, whatever. But just yeah, there's evil
Speaker 2: in the world and all that, but there's so much
Speaker 2: goodness in so many people, and so often animal bring
Speaker 2: it out, which makes it so cruelly ironic that it's
Speaker 2: the professionals here up but parks and wildlife who don't
Speaker 2: respond to aid this animal and listen. I have no doubt.
Speaker 2: I don't interact with parks and wildlife much. I have
Speaker 2: no doubt the vast majority of people are great and
Speaker 2: care about animals and do a lot of heroic things
Speaker 2: we never think about. But this was an abject failure.
Speaker 2: They failed Milli Free, they failed her husband, they failed
Speaker 2: all the neighbors who showed up at six thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning with shovels to try to save the animal.
Speaker 2: And above all, they failed the animal, which died this
Speaker 2: slow and painful death, buried up to its neck in
Speaker 2: a snowbank for hours and hours and hours. So hey,
Speaker 2: we all fail at some point, right, But you got
Speaker 2: to admit it, You got to learn the lesson, and
Speaker 2: you got to vow it's never going to happen again.
Speaker 2: And instead we get, in my opinion, a bunch of
Speaker 2: bureaucratic bs. Yeah, not right. And it may go too,
Speaker 2: It may go to this whole, you know, lessening of
Speaker 2: standards in America, which has been I think part of
Speaker 2: a certain only the result of the left, and I
Speaker 2: think maybe a conscious type of effort on the part
Speaker 2: of the left, because obviously, you know, what does the
Speaker 2: left want? And I'm not blaming the left for what happened.
Speaker 2: This was a failure by the government from which it
Speaker 2: needs to learn. I'm now getting to a broader issue.
Speaker 2: Have we got to be better than that. What happened
Speaker 2: to excellence in miracle? We got excellence from Milli Freed
Speaker 2: and her husband and their friends, and then we got
Speaker 2: the opposite of that from the State, and a poor
Speaker 2: animal suffered hour after hour after hour, and none of
Speaker 2: us listen to have to be theologians to get it.
Speaker 2: Anybody out there is any belief in God, they know
Speaker 2: because they know because they're wired that way and everything
Speaker 2: they've read and the Bible and everything else, that if
Speaker 2: you're going to abuse animals, I mean, you know, good
Speaker 2: luck in the next round. And to me, letting an
Speaker 2: animal just sit there and linger in pain. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So Milly and her friends heroes and the States got
Speaker 2: to learn from sate five for zero five A two
Speaker 2: five five the number Biden is security clearance canceled. And
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see if there's any pushback from
Speaker 2: the left and that how could there be you know,
Speaker 2: how could Trump justified leaving Biden with security clearance for
Speaker 2: even another minute? Right when? I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: her report and I read the whole darn thing. By
Speaker 2: the way, I can't remember how many I think I
Speaker 2: think it was hundreds of pages and I read it all,
Speaker 2: and so even back then, even back then, you know
Speaker 2: that the only reason this Biden wasn't prosecuted for compromising
Speaker 2: our national secrets is as a prosecutor believed that Biden
Speaker 2: was so mentally deficient that a jury would conclude that
Speaker 2: he didn't even remember what he had done. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Trump did absolutely the right thing. Let me
Speaker 2: read you the verbat him on that tweet this afternoon.
Speaker 2: There is no need for Joe Biden to continue receiving
Speaker 2: access to classified information. Therefore, we are immediately revoking Joe
Speaker 2: Biden's security clearances and stopping his daily intelligence briefings. He
Speaker 2: set this president in twenty twenty one when he instructed
Speaker 2: the IC to stop the forty fifth president of the
Speaker 2: United States friends me from accessing details on national security,
Speaker 2: a courtesy provided to former presidents. The her report revealed
Speaker 2: that Biden suffers from quote poor memory, and even in
Speaker 2: his quote prime could not be trusted with sensitive information.
Speaker 2: I will always protect our national security. Joe, You're fired.
Speaker 2: Make America great again. It's wow. It's an amazing thing
Speaker 2: to behold, isn't it? Have we ever seen? Have we
Speaker 2: ever seen a president and his team more organized, more focused,
Speaker 2: more calibrated, more orchestrated. It's just bang bang bang, bang
Speaker 2: bang every day since election day. They were ready going in.
Speaker 2: They knew they were going to win, or they were
Speaker 2: real confident they were going to win. They were ready
Speaker 2: going in. And what a great service to America. And
Speaker 2: one of the most important things that I've read was JD.
Speaker 2: Vance telling an interviewer that Trump asked when he saw
Speaker 2: Vance the other day, Trump asked, how many days do
Speaker 2: we have left? And that Trump is constantly asking everybody
Speaker 2: how many days do we have left? And he knows
Speaker 2: how many days they have left, but he wants to
Speaker 2: remind them right. Time is short. Got to get it
Speaker 2: done now. I love that attitude. Daniel in Arvada, you're
Speaker 2: on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 4: Welcome Dan, You're so far out of school on that alchispathetic.
Speaker 2: Well, nice to meet you.
Speaker 4: We've talked before, n we've had words. Oh man, you're
Speaker 4: just I wanted him for fifty years.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 4: And they're a great They're a beautiful animal. But that's
Speaker 4: how elk die. They die a slow, miserable death. If
Speaker 4: it was buried up to its neck in snow, it
Speaker 4: was either so old that it couldn't navigate anymore. It
Speaker 4: was dying of starvation. I guess it ended up having
Speaker 4: a broken leg, right, But I completely agree with the
Speaker 4: division a while. Let nature take its course.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me understand Daniel. So they're apparently, in
Speaker 2: your worldview, is great value in allowing an animal to
Speaker 2: dye a slow, painful death rather than putting the animal
Speaker 2: out of its misery? Can you explain that a little more?
Speaker 4: Yes, how elk die so that a wild thing can't
Speaker 4: be running around the woods shooting every dying elk?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, how about putting the ones who can be
Speaker 2: put out of their misery out of their misery? Is
Speaker 2: that a good thing or a bad thing.
Speaker 4: For one elk? For them to make a trip out
Speaker 4: there to go out and shoot that one elk? No,
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't see any purpose in it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the purpose, obviously, the purpose would be to
Speaker 2: relieve the animal's pain. And I want to revisit your
Speaker 2: premise in a second. But then let's also talk about
Speaker 2: my friend here. You have this home owner, this wonderful woman,
Speaker 2: Millie Free. This is now in it's it's still a
Speaker 2: residential area in the sense. You have homes on a
Speaker 2: lot of property, so.
Speaker 4: I'm familiar with Oh, okay, wonderful.
Speaker 2: So when you've got a situation like that, and you
Speaker 2: have now a tax pain citizen who is now being
Speaker 2: exposed to this really emotionally traumatizing event, are you telling
Speaker 2: us that the taxpayer funded state officers don't have a
Speaker 2: responsibility in that situation to come out and relieve the
Speaker 2: animals suffering, if for no other reason than to serve
Speaker 2: the taxpayers who are being traumatized by this animal suffering
Speaker 2: on their property.
Speaker 4: Dan, we totally we look at it totally different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got you there. That's why you're not
Speaker 2: giving me a direct answer, Yeah, Daniel admitted.
Speaker 4: I got you.
Speaker 2: Because even if you want to say that there's somehow
Speaker 2: great value in making sure they all die a miserable death,
Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a second, because because I
Speaker 2: think that's nonsense, but you've got to acknowledge that when
Speaker 2: you're talking about the trauma now being inflicted on the
Speaker 2: human taxpayer because this animal is dying a slow, torturous
Speaker 2: death in their backyard. At that point, state officers have
Speaker 2: to respond, right, no, oh, well, what else do they.
Speaker 5: Have to do.
Speaker 4: What else do they I don't know. I've never I've
Speaker 4: never been a division of wild, I've never been a warden.
Speaker 4: Well art to have other things to do. And I
Speaker 4: just want to add real quickly to your point. Wolves
Speaker 4: don't die like that. I mean, if it would have
Speaker 4: been one of Gerald's precious wolves, yeah, I agree with
Speaker 4: you on that. I'm no fan of that introduction. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure they wouldn't have sent helicopters and and
Speaker 4: uh squads of uh oh yeah, game wardens out there
Speaker 4: or anything else. The animals die in the wild.
Speaker 2: And Daniel, But let's get to your premise, which I
Speaker 2: think is fatally flawed. Your premise is that every single
Speaker 2: elk dies like this one did? Every single elk dies
Speaker 2: a slow shot tortures? Okay, run over, yep, okay, well, well,
Speaker 2: hold on a second. When they get shot, it's not
Speaker 2: a slow torture's death, right when they get shot by
Speaker 2: a hunter?
Speaker 4: No, No, it is sometimes a very wish would call well.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did. Can you hold on because I
Speaker 2: don't want to cut you off and we're at a
Speaker 2: hard break. But I want to come back to Daniel.
Speaker 2: I always thought and I'm not a hunter. I grew
Speaker 2: up in Chicago. I always thought that the whole idea
Speaker 2: of hunting was that, hey, you know you're trained, you
Speaker 2: go out there, you respect wildlife, and I do believe
Speaker 2: this about hunters. And then they shoot the animal. The
Speaker 2: animal does not linger, does not linger in pain. The
Speaker 2: meat is used most often, et cetera. But Daniel, I guess,
Speaker 2: is here to tell us, oh, no, no, when he
Speaker 2: goes those animals are lingering in pain. Well, we'll explore
Speaker 2: that more when we come back. You're on the Dan
Speaker 2: Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: Five p.
Speaker 2: Fifty one. Glad you're here. Hey, I've really got a hustler.
Speaker 2: We have jam lines, and I want to start with
Speaker 2: the color with us at the break Daniel from Arvada,
Speaker 2: who I disagree with on every point. But Daniel, when
Speaker 2: we want to break, you said you're a hunter. Every
Speaker 2: elk dies a slow and painful death, and that when
Speaker 2: you go hunting.
Speaker 4: No I didn't say that. No, I did not say that, That's.
Speaker 2: What I heard. But anyway, so I've got a text
Speaker 2: from a hunter who says, Dan, ask this caller if
Speaker 2: he gut shoots his elk so they can die long
Speaker 2: deaths like he says they should.
Speaker 4: Boy, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to get
Speaker 4: into all of that. That's a whole different subject here
Speaker 4: now building a straw man trying to make an argument
Speaker 4: against me about gut shooting.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm Daniel. I'm not accusing you of that, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure you don't, and I'm sure you hunt ethically
Speaker 2: and that you make sure those animals every.
Speaker 4: Shot, Dan, not every shot is the perfect shot.
Speaker 2: Understood.
Speaker 4: Times you wound the animal, right.
Speaker 2: But then you make sure.
Speaker 4: Follow up and take that animal, yes, and put it
Speaker 4: out of its misty.
Speaker 2: That's my point, and I'm sure you do that, Daniel.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do everything in your power to make
Speaker 2: sure that animal doesn't suffer. And that's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: the same thing should have been done for that elk
Speaker 2: in the field and steamboat that to help the woman
Speaker 2: was asking for.
Speaker 4: I see that elk wasn't shot, that oak was putured
Speaker 4: up to its neck and.
Speaker 2: Right, but it should have been put out of its
Speaker 2: misery by the state, which he asked it to do.
Speaker 2: She asked it to rescue the animal, and if it
Speaker 2: couldn't rescue the animal, to put it out of its
Speaker 2: misery and instead they let it suffer, not the heroic neighbors,
Speaker 2: but the state let it suffer for fourteen hours.
Speaker 4: It looks like, well again I I would I would
Speaker 4: side with the divisional while like they made the call. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the elk is going to die. It's going to die
Speaker 4: a slow, painful death unless you make sure it's starvation.
Speaker 4: And therefore, why would they go out and put it
Speaker 4: out of its misery so it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't die a snow well? And this one happens to
Speaker 2: be in backyard. Danie'll appreciate the call. Again, I have
Speaker 2: no doubt that you treat animals with respect and you
Speaker 2: make sure they don't suffer. I just think the state
Speaker 2: should have also. Let's go to Robert. You're on the
Speaker 2: Dane capitalist. She'll welcome.
Speaker 6: Hi. Dam been hunting for forty one years, Yes, sir,
Speaker 6: My grandfather took me on my first hunt when I
Speaker 6: was eight years old.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: The first thing that old man taught me was never
Speaker 6: take a shot. Take you sure it's the right shot.
Speaker 6: So you do everything that you ethically impossibly can to
Speaker 6: make sure that when you pull that trigger or you
Speaker 6: release the bowstring, that quit kill shot that animal doesn't suffer.
Speaker 6: Now that hasn't been said. There's a thousand factors that
Speaker 6: can go into that. Man, a puffle wind, you know,
Speaker 6: your your arrow or your round catches to touch foliage.
Speaker 6: The deer, that elk, an animal whatever spooks as you're
Speaker 6: releasing and you don't get that perfect shot. In my
Speaker 6: early twenties, I had to track a here for about
Speaker 6: three hours because I didn't get that good shot, you know,
Speaker 6: and uh, and that sucked, and then packing it out
Speaker 6: was even worse. But uh, you know that that's just
Speaker 6: the reality of it. Now with the with this elk
Speaker 6: up in was is in something like that? Look, do
Speaker 6: I think that the Department of Wildlife kind of crapt
Speaker 6: the bed on that one? Yeah. I can understand them
Speaker 6: not wanting to deploy the resources to try and get
Speaker 6: that animal out of that gully and and risking the
Speaker 6: safety of the people that would have been involved in it.
Speaker 6: But the e in my mind, the ethical decent thing
Speaker 6: to do would be to put it out of its misery.
Speaker 6: It would not take much for a DW officer to
Speaker 6: go out there, you know, with whatever rifle they happened
Speaker 6: to have, whether you know, two seventy or a three
Speaker 6: hundred win mag who cares, Yeah, and put a put
Speaker 6: a mercy shot in that poor thing. Yeah, you sit
Speaker 6: there and waste away and freeze to death.
Speaker 2: Well said. And it sounds to me the story you
Speaker 2: told Robert about. Then you track the animal for three miles.
Speaker 2: I assume part of that was because three hours was
Speaker 2: because you wanted to make sure it didn't suffer and
Speaker 2: you wanted to end what you started.
Speaker 6: Absolutely. Yeah, And I couldn't tell you to this day
Speaker 6: why it wasn't the good shot. I had it lined up.
Speaker 6: I thought it was a great shot, but it wasn't.
Speaker 6: And yeah, so I was following blood trails and whatnot
Speaker 6: for three hours before I finally found it. And then
Speaker 6: you know, put it down.
Speaker 2: God love you for not letting it suffer. And I
Speaker 2: have to imagine I've never hunted, but I have to
Speaker 2: imagine there's never been a hunter who had every shot perfect.
Speaker 2: That's just not life.
Speaker 6: No, it's it's never going to happen that way, because
Speaker 6: it's just like the guy that tells you he's won
Speaker 6: every fight he's ever been in. Yeah, there's been a fighter.
Speaker 2: Robert appreciate the call man, thank you, call off, and
Speaker 2: we'll end the show with Jason another hunter. You're on
Speaker 2: the Dan Kaplas show.
Speaker 5: Welcome, Hey, Dan, love the show. You going to make
Speaker 5: this real quick. It's a total change of subject. It's
Speaker 5: more kind of a humanitarian if you want to say, Uh,
Speaker 5: there's a wonderful human being in this world that needs
Speaker 5: all of our prayers. We've been following him on YouTube.
Speaker 5: His name he goes by Desert Drifter. His name's Andrew Cross.
Speaker 5: He was and I would I would love to hear
Speaker 5: if you're a law firm could help him out. From
Speaker 5: what I understand, he was rear ended at a stop
Speaker 5: sign and he's got he's an ICU with traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 5: He's a wonderful human, wonderful human being, Christian got a
Speaker 5: beautiful family. His name's Andrew Cross.
Speaker 2: Andrew Cross, Well, he'll be in all our prayers, man,
Speaker 2: Thank you, and I can.
Speaker 5: I'd hope for everybody to check out his Desert Drifter.
Speaker 5: He's an amazing individual. Prayers, prayers work and will help him.
Speaker 5: And if your law firm could help him, that.
Speaker 6: Even be a miracle in itself.
Speaker 5: But thank you for letting.
Speaker 2: Me get on Jason. Yeah, prayers, I don't know Jason
Speaker 2: or this gentleman, but yeah, we all know how just
Speaker 2: in the blink of an eye something like that, it
Speaker 2: just changes everything. So prayers for this gentleman, and thank
Speaker 2: you Jesse Thomas for the great job you've done. And Kelly,
Speaker 2: prayers for her dad who still remains in ICU. And wow,
Speaker 2: I hate to do this, I really hate to do
Speaker 2: this because I don't want to bum anybody out, but
Speaker 2: I've got this gift when it comes to sports prediction.
Speaker 2: And don't bet on this because it ruined my weekend
Speaker 2: if I turned out. This is the one time in
Speaker 2: forty years I'm wrong, wink. But sorry to be the
Speaker 2: bearer of bad news. But Kansas City is going to
Speaker 2: win this game, and I just you know the big
Speaker 2: winner though, without question, we'll be President Trump. So we'll
Speaker 2: enjoy that on Monday together. Have a great weekend. Join
Speaker 2: us Monday on The Dan Kaplis Show.