Speaker 1: In today's episode, we look at a cyber fraud case
Speaker 1: from Mumbai where an employee transferred more than ten crow
Speaker 1: rupees after receiving messages that appeared to come from his boss.
Speaker 1: We also turned to Parliament where former Education Minister Thrmindri
Speaker 1: Pradhan's first appearance after resigning was marked by cheers from
Speaker 1: bjpmps and protests from the opposition, with repeated disruptions in
Speaker 1: the Lok Sabah. But we begin today by talking about Assam,
Speaker 1: which is facing a massive flood crisis that has displaced
Speaker 1: thousands of people in the region. Hi Amcha Sharma and
Speaker 1: you're listening to three things the Indian Express New show.
Speaker 2: Over the past.
Speaker 1: Week, at least sixty six people have died and lacks
Speaker 1: have been affected as devastating floods continue to batter Assam.
Speaker 1: Entire villages, large stretches of agriculture land and major towns
Speaker 1: such as Sivasagar remain submerged, with water levels in several
Speaker 1: areas rising well above chesth height. Many even say the
Speaker 1: region has not witnessed flooding on this scale in recent memory.
Speaker 1: Thousands of stranded residents have been rescued by the NDRF,
Speaker 1: The Army, the SDRF, Fire and Emergency Services, and local
Speaker 1: administration teams which have used boats to evacuate people.
Speaker 2: From flooded areas.
Speaker 1: To know more about the crisis and the ongoing rescue
Speaker 1: and relief efforts, my Colleagueiharika Nanda speaks with the Indian
Speaker 1: expresses Sukrita Barua in the.
Speaker 3: Segment Sukrita, can you begin by telling us how have
Speaker 3: things been over the past week?
Speaker 4: So right now Assam is reeling in what we can
Speaker 4: say is the aftermath because of a really devastating wave
Speaker 4: of floods. I say aftermath because now the flood levels
Speaker 4: are gradually receding, but as they're receding, the true extent
Speaker 4: of the devastation is being revealed. Assam has been reeling
Speaker 4: under a severe flood crisis for a week now, which
Speaker 4: started on last Sunday, which is the nineteenth of July.
Speaker 4: So with this, particularly three districts of Assam, Sipsagor, Jorhat
Speaker 4: and Sadio have been inundated like vast stretches of land, villages,
Speaker 4: agricultural land, even major towns like Zipsaker. We've been reeling
Speaker 4: under floodwaters that go beyond chess level and lacks of
Speaker 4: people have been displaced. As of Saturday night, the Assam
Speaker 4: State Disaster Management Authority estimated that sixty two people have
Speaker 4: lost their lives within the span of this week, so
Speaker 4: since the floods began on July nineteenth, and this includes
Speaker 4: six children, right.
Speaker 3: And can you tell us about the destruction caused by
Speaker 3: the floods and how have people been evacuated?
Speaker 4: So at its worst, the number of people affected I've
Speaker 4: far exceeded seven lack. But now, like I said, it's
Speaker 4: receding gradually. So as of Saturday night, the total number
Speaker 4: of people affected had come down gradually to two point
Speaker 4: nine lack. And also, because like I said, so many
Speaker 4: people have been displaced, they had to be evacuated. Thousands
Speaker 4: of people have been evacuated from their homes on boats
Speaker 4: by the NDIFSDRF and other authorities, and well over one
Speaker 4: point one five black.
Speaker 5: People had been shifted to relief camps.
Speaker 4: But now as the floods are receding, people are gradually
Speaker 4: returning to their homes. And as a Saturday night, the
Speaker 4: number of people in relief camps have come down to
Speaker 4: around eighteen nine hundred. One of the most alarming statistics
Speaker 4: are actually the loss of animal lives. So a lot
Speaker 4: of the affected areas are rural areas. People have a
Speaker 4: lot of live stock. So you know, the counting for
Speaker 4: that has just begun and it's coming to light. In
Speaker 4: the last two days and as of now, at least
Speaker 4: twenty thousand animals have been washed away, including cattle, poultry,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever the rural people rear. You know, the
Speaker 4: figures that we have are already alarming, but authorities say
Speaker 4: that you know, it's very likely that this toll will
Speaker 4: continue to rise because you know, so many places have
Speaker 4: been inaccessible for so long because of the flood conditions
Speaker 4: that we'll only come to know over some more time
Speaker 4: where the true extent of this damage has been. In fact,
Speaker 4: two days back, the Chief Minister had addressed a press
Speaker 4: conference and he said that these two assembly constituencies under
Speaker 4: the Sibsabagar constituency, which is Zibsagar and Nazira, like thirty
Speaker 4: percent of the area under Nazira was not accessible, like
Speaker 4: the government authorities hadn't even been able to reach these
Speaker 4: areas to offer relief to the people there. And in Sibsagar,
Speaker 4: he said twenty percent because you know, as the floodwaters
Speaker 4: are receding, they've left behind layers of sediment which are
Speaker 4: several feet high.
Speaker 5: So in the aftermath also there are several challenges.
Speaker 4: So even as the flood is receding, you know, critical
Speaker 4: challenges lie ahead.
Speaker 3: And Skritha, how does this year come pair with floods
Speaker 3: the state has witnessed in the previous years.
Speaker 4: So you know, as we know, Assam suffers, I mean,
Speaker 4: the large populations of Assam suffer every year from the
Speaker 4: annual flooding of the Brahmaputra, but the flooding this time
Speaker 4: is quite unprecedented. One thing in particular, you know, this
Speaker 4: particular area which is as I've said, sip sagar Jorhattan sradio,
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 5: Normally see flooding.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people have spoken to who live
Speaker 4: in this area, government functionaries, people who are reacting to
Speaker 4: the you know, the crisis, they say that in their lifetimes,
Speaker 4: they've never seen this kind of flooding in this area.
Speaker 4: They haven't seen this level of flooding ever in this area. Now, initially,
Speaker 4: when you know, this flooding started, the state government in
Speaker 4: Assam attributed this to I quote a cloud burst which
Speaker 4: they said took place in a Mon district, which is
Speaker 4: the neighboring hill district in Nagaland. So Sradio is at
Speaker 4: the foothills of Mon district. So that's what they said.
Speaker 4: But you know, when I spoke to IMG authorities in Kohima,
Speaker 4: they said that it wasn't a cloud burst, because you know,
Speaker 4: a cloudburst is a technical term which means over one
Speaker 4: hundred millimeters of rainfall within the space of an hour.
Speaker 5: But they said that there was heavy rainfall.
Speaker 4: You know, on July nineteenth, the day the flooding began,
Speaker 4: More District had one thirty seven mm of millimeters of
Speaker 4: rainfall within the span of about eight to nine hours,
Speaker 4: which is extremely heavy and on itself, you know, has
Speaker 4: been devastated by these rains. By the way, nine people
Speaker 4: lost their lives to multiple landslides that day in Morn
Speaker 4: and that water came rushing down into these tributaries. So
Speaker 4: these districts, they have these Brahmaputa tributaries which are the
Speaker 4: co Disang, the Jianji and the Dorika, and these rivers
Speaker 4: flow into the Brahmaputras. And with the water that came
Speaker 4: gushing down very quickly, these tributaries overflowed and this water began,
Speaker 4: you know, flowing out of the tributaries and into the
Speaker 4: villages and you know even reaching Sibsagar town, which you know,
Speaker 4: the river has never reached that town before. So that's
Speaker 4: the kind of flooding that took place with heavy rainfall
Speaker 4: and skrata.
Speaker 3: You spoke to a few experts about the situation. What
Speaker 3: did they have to say about what makes this year
Speaker 3: situation so much worse?
Speaker 4: So I spoke to different experts and they say that,
Speaker 4: of course, there was a very heavy, excessive rainfall that
Speaker 4: took place on that day, but that's not the only factor.
Speaker 4: So one expert I spoke to, he's currently studying this
Speaker 4: wave of floods, a professor Druberjotisaharia. He said that, you know,
Speaker 4: he examined satellite images from these areas and he observed
Speaker 4: that and he said, I quote, there is excessive excavation on.
Speaker 5: The river valley side. So river valley side.
Speaker 4: Means the slope down which these tributaries flow down to
Speaker 4: the plains and sa Radio and Zipsagar and which he
Speaker 4: said is most likely because of.
Speaker 5: Mining, open cast mining.
Speaker 4: And you know, because of this, it's very likely that
Speaker 4: a lot of mud is carried down by this water,
Speaker 4: which compromises which reduces the carrying capacity of the river.
Speaker 4: Means you know, the he was not able to carry
Speaker 4: that much water. Another expert I spoke to Professor Noyon Sharma.
Speaker 4: He said that excessive rainfall is just a small factor
Speaker 4: which is compounded by several other man made factors, amongst
Speaker 4: the chief of which he named his deforestation. So he
Speaker 4: said that if there's heavy forestation in an area, when
Speaker 4: heavy rainfall happens, the soil can quickly absorb the water
Speaker 4: and this slows down the movement of the water downstream. Right,
Speaker 4: But he's saying that when there's barren land, then when
Speaker 4: rainfall happens quickly, the water flows down rapidly down the
Speaker 4: slopes and it carries large amounts of sediment down, which
Speaker 4: is in hand with what Professor Saharia had said, and
Speaker 4: he cited, you know, Nagaland has had a rapid loss
Speaker 4: of forest cover in the last decade or so. These
Speaker 4: are key contributing factors. And he also said that you know,
Speaker 4: there are tools which could have a lent to more
Speaker 4: effective forecasting, which wouldn't have made you know, even if
Speaker 4: this was going to happen you know, this kind of rainfall,
Speaker 4: this kind of a catastrophe. He said that the devastation
Speaker 4: was not necessarily inevitable if there was more effective forecasting.
Speaker 4: At the same time, there's also a dam in Wokha
Speaker 4: District in Nagaland because again because of the rainfall, there
Speaker 4: was excess water there. So they've been releasing water since Thursdays,
Speaker 4: So that experts say has not helped in the water receding.
Speaker 4: In any case, the water is receding now, but yeah,
Speaker 4: leaving behind a trail of destruction.
Speaker 3: And how has the state government reacted to the situation.
Speaker 3: Have they given any statement.
Speaker 4: Yet as of now, they say that they're focused on
Speaker 4: rescue and rehabilitation and yeah, like in the past two week,
Speaker 4: I think it's been all hands on deck trying to
Speaker 4: reach the affected people. You know, the government had tried
Speaker 4: to air drop supplies because a lot of the place
Speaker 4: is not not reachable by road, not reachable by foot
Speaker 4: because like I said, of the sedimentation that's there, the
Speaker 4: high levels of water. So they tried air dropping supplies
Speaker 4: and they say that that was not successful because there's
Speaker 4: been a lot of videos and images, you know, people
Speaker 4: receiving packages that are torn broken by because when they drop,
Speaker 4: the packages get damaged. And along with government efforts of
Speaker 4: course at relief rehabilitation, you know, we're seeing widespread civil
Speaker 4: society reactions, so like lots of people, like people are
Speaker 4: raising funds, people are trying to reach out to those affected.
Speaker 4: You know, now that the floodwaters are receding, we're seeing
Speaker 4: huge numbers of people heading towards Civsagar carrying relief aid materials.
Speaker 4: So yeah, along with government response, you know, something that
Speaker 4: we're seeing at a very large scale is civil society mobilization.
Speaker 5: Like I said, for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I mean, so many lives have been lost, but now
Speaker 4: you know, it's also going to take a lot of
Speaker 4: time for people to rebuild what they've lost. So homes
Speaker 4: have been damaged, people have lost their livestock. Agricultural land
Speaker 4: has been completely submerged, so you know, their crops have
Speaker 4: been destroyed. There are a lot of weavers in Assam,
Speaker 4: their looms have been destroyed. People have all their appliances
Speaker 4: are ruined. So there's a long process of rebuilding which
Speaker 4: lies ahead. So both civil society and government are going
Speaker 4: to be participating in this process going ahead.
Speaker 1: And next we talk about a cyber fraud case from
Speaker 1: Mumbai that shows how convincing such scams have become. Now,
Speaker 1: this particular case involves Giri Shamin, a deputy general manager
Speaker 1: at a reputed company, who received a WhatsApp message that
Speaker 1: appeared to be from his boss. The number had his
Speaker 1: boss's name, his boss's photo, and the instruction seemed straightforward
Speaker 1: that he should transfer company funds to a specified bank account.
Speaker 1: Over the next thirteen days, Amen carried out sixty three transactions,
Speaker 1: transferring more than ten crow rupees. Please say, this is
Speaker 1: part of a growing cyber crime pattern known as the
Speaker 1: boss scam. So to understand how the fraudsters convince a
Speaker 1: senior company employee to transfer ten crow rupees and why
Speaker 1: are companies still vulnerable, we are joined by the Indian
Speaker 1: Expresses Muhammad Tawr, who reports on crime for the paper.
Speaker 6: Mohammed.
Speaker 1: We are familiar with OTP frauds and digital arrest scams,
Speaker 1: but a boss scam appears to be a completely different
Speaker 1: category of cybercrime.
Speaker 2: So could you start by explaining what exactly is it
Speaker 2: and why are.
Speaker 1: Cybercrime investigators treating it as a significant new threat.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: See, one thing is that purely in terms of the
Speaker 7: amount that is lost in boss scam, the amounts that
Speaker 7: have been fraudinently transferred are much bigger. So the way
Speaker 7: this works is rather than you know, targeting an individual here,
Speaker 7: you are targeting like these big companies. Like at the
Speaker 7: end of the day, it's an individual you're duping, but
Speaker 7: that individual is responsible for the financial transaction of a
Speaker 7: big company. And this is a much more elaborate scam
Speaker 7: as compared to other cyber frauds. So, for example, in
Speaker 7: this case, the first thing that they do is they
Speaker 7: have a list of big companies that they want to target.
Speaker 7: They go to the website of these companies, identify who
Speaker 7: is the CEO. Usually on these company websites you have
Speaker 7: the CEO his photo, the top management's photo. If they
Speaker 7: have the name of the guy who's handling finances, it
Speaker 7: makes their job easier. If not, what they do is
Speaker 7: they just call up on the company landline and you know,
Speaker 7: they will claim to be calling from another company and
Speaker 7: saying that you know, they have to transfer some money
Speaker 7: to this company and there is some problem with the
Speaker 7: short code or something and ask to be transferred to
Speaker 7: the guy who handles the finances or they get the
Speaker 7: number of the guy.
Speaker 6: Who handles the finances.
Speaker 7: And you know, they will say that, you know, I
Speaker 7: am this this person, and you know, this is my
Speaker 7: private number, which again is a smart way of going
Speaker 7: about it, because a lot of these CEOs and top
Speaker 7: management officials do have a private number and a number
Speaker 7: that most employees would have. So they would message saying
Speaker 7: that you know, this is the CEO and this is
Speaker 7: my private number, don't share it with anybody, and say that,
Speaker 7: you know, we need to transfer this much money to
Speaker 7: this particular bank account, and very smartly, the person will
Speaker 7: that I'm entering a.
Speaker 6: Meeting, so don't call me.
Speaker 7: And the top down hierarchy in Indian corporate is such
Speaker 7: that he would not dare message the boss and ask
Speaker 7: him whether he has said such a thing when the
Speaker 7: boss has specifically said not to so then in that case,
Speaker 7: the person just goes ahead transfers the money. And you know,
Speaker 7: usually in most cases of this boss cam and it's
Speaker 7: called boss cam because you are using the you know, the.
Speaker 6: Identity of a boss.
Speaker 7: In most of these cases, what happens is there is
Speaker 7: one transaction that takes place, usually a big amount. Then
Speaker 7: in a few hours, the person approaches, the boss says
Speaker 7: that okay, I have done what you have instructed, and
Speaker 7: then the boss says, I have not asked you to
Speaker 7: make any such payments, and then the thing unravels.
Speaker 6: What is really unusual.
Speaker 7: In this case that we had reported about in June
Speaker 7: is that the person kept contact the cyberprogesters, kept pretending
Speaker 7: to be the CEO of this major company, major Indian company,
Speaker 7: and for over a period of thirteen days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were sixty three transactions worth over ten korrupays.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so from June three to n fifteen, every day
Speaker 7: he would message him saying, okay, today transfer this much?
Speaker 6: Would it transfer that much?
Speaker 7: Over a period of thirteen days, they've almost transferred over
Speaker 7: ten crews. The ironic fact is that this person and
Speaker 7: the VP whose identity was used by the fraudsters were
Speaker 7: in the same office. But again, this is such a
Speaker 7: top down structure that people think, okay, this is general and.
Speaker 6: This guy had received messages in the past from the VP.
Speaker 7: Apparently, again this happened in two parallel ways. Like what
Speaker 7: happened is finally this employee reached out to his superiors
Speaker 7: to get vouchers approved for the transfers and that's when
Speaker 7: this the VP said that I have not asked you know,
Speaker 7: I've not contacted you from any private number. And parallelly,
Speaker 7: what also happened is that the ten crews that had
Speaker 7: been transferred from the company to the other accounts. So
Speaker 7: usually it is transferred to various bank accounts and after
Speaker 7: being moved across several accounts, usually somebody will go to
Speaker 7: the bank or an ATM to withdraw the money. So
Speaker 7: in this case, there were two people who went to
Speaker 7: a bank in Delhi, an IDFC bank branch in Dela
Speaker 7: and some eight LAC had been transferred to this account.
Speaker 7: And the alert bank employee found two things suspicious. One
Speaker 7: that at LAC had just been transferred and these two
Speaker 7: people came in to withdraw the entire amount. And secondly,
Speaker 7: even looking at them, they were dressed a bit shabby
Speaker 7: lee and he felt something was a miss. And also
Speaker 7: Delipulis had carried out awareness activities, so he sends something
Speaker 7: amiss and he contracted the police. The Deli police reached
Speaker 7: there they found that the money had been transferred from
Speaker 7: a Mumbai account.
Speaker 6: They contacted the Mumbai Cyber Police and the.
Speaker 7: Cyber guys then contacted the corporate employee and he came
Speaker 7: to know that this fraud has taken place, all right, and.
Speaker 1: You highlight how police found a malicious ZIP file on
Speaker 1: the victim's phone.
Speaker 2: So what role did that file actually play in the scam?
Speaker 6: Yeah, see that's again an interesting thing.
Speaker 7: Where so there are two ways in which they go
Speaker 7: about making these changes. What happens is initially, once they
Speaker 7: get the mobile number of the person handling the finances,
Speaker 7: you know, from an unidentified number, they'll send like a
Speaker 7: file which will have like a ZIP file hidden and
Speaker 7: as soon as the person so, they'll make it sound
Speaker 7: like RBI has sent something regarding some urgent thing that
Speaker 7: has to be complied by the company, which would you know,
Speaker 7: make the person instantly kind of click on it. And
Speaker 7: then what happens is the ZIP file, which has a
Speaker 7: backdoor entry to the mobile, it is downloaded on the mobile.
Speaker 7: And then so in some cases, like in this case,
Speaker 7: they still did not get complete access to the phone.
Speaker 7: But in some cases what also happens is they get
Speaker 7: access to the phone, where what they do is that
Speaker 7: they delete the number of the boss that the person
Speaker 7: has saved and they save their own number as that
Speaker 7: of the boss, which then makes it much more lethal
Speaker 7: because then you are getting a message from your boss
Speaker 7: whose number you've saved, asking for the money to be transferred,
Speaker 7: So that also happens. So while in this case also
Speaker 7: they did find a zip file on his phone, but
Speaker 7: maybe the entire process could not go through and hence
Speaker 7: they had to use another number. But in some cases
Speaker 7: they just delete the number of your boss and save
Speaker 7: their own number, So that is how the zip file
Speaker 7: big kind of is exploited by them and Muhammed.
Speaker 1: Most companies not normally have multiple financial checks before any
Speaker 1: large payments are processed, so how could these many transactions
Speaker 1: happen without anyone else questioning them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so in this company, what they said is that
Speaker 7: they do have monthly audits, and in this case, because
Speaker 7: it took place between June three and June sixteen.
Speaker 6: The audit had not come in between.
Speaker 7: But even when they're conducting awareness drives, the police does
Speaker 7: tell corporate offices that, you know, you need to have
Speaker 7: a separate computer on which you are using to kind
Speaker 7: of carry out transactions, and there has to be a
Speaker 7: separate number. So a lot of companies are now waking
Speaker 7: up to the threat that using the same systems for
Speaker 7: making big payments and general use also has in store.
Speaker 7: So now people are also compartmentalizing, you know, various transactions
Speaker 7: and what.
Speaker 6: Do you use to carry out these transactions?
Speaker 1: Right and interestingly, the money trail itself surprise investigators.
Speaker 2: So what did they find? What happened after the money
Speaker 2: was siphoned?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: There again, see that is the thing that cyberflrochesters keep
Speaker 7: evolving as per police method. So earlier what used to
Speaker 7: happen is that money was transferred across several accounts and
Speaker 7: eventually they would go and withdraw it. Then they realized
Speaker 7: that just moving money from one account to the other
Speaker 7: helps the police also trace it right to the.
Speaker 6: End, so they try to break the chain.
Speaker 7: In this case, what the police have found, what a
Speaker 7: lot of cyberflrochesters have started doing, is that at some
Speaker 7: point they draw the money, they go and buy gold
Speaker 7: with it. They will buy the gold, give the money,
Speaker 7: then they will motigage the gold with somebody else and
Speaker 7: take the money. So what this does is when the
Speaker 7: police is tracking, the police will reach the jewelry store,
Speaker 7: but the person does not really have details of the
Speaker 7: person who gave the jewelry, so that is a break
Speaker 7: in the entire series of accounts, then another account. Once
Speaker 7: the money comes in, what they'll do is the gold
Speaker 7: that they had mortgaged. They will pay money, pay cyber
Speaker 7: fraud money, get the gold mortigaged somewhere else. So basically
Speaker 7: they are breaking the cycle of money being transferred from
Speaker 7: one account to the other by buying gold mortgaging aid
Speaker 7: so that the police cannot eventually find the complete trail
Speaker 7: right from which account of money was transferred to where
Speaker 7: it ends up. So that is again a new thing
Speaker 7: that the police have found.
Speaker 1: And so Mohammed, would it be right to assume that
Speaker 1: this is a sign cyber crime is becoming organized crime.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So see this has been the case.
Speaker 7: Like if you remember, like a decade back, cyber fraud
Speaker 7: was so unevolved, Like you know, you just get a
Speaker 7: male saying that I'm a king of Nigeria, I need
Speaker 7: your money and things like that, which most of us
Speaker 7: would realize is a fraud. But over a period of time,
Speaker 7: they keep evolving and they use social scenarios as well.
Speaker 7: For example, in between when there was the gas crisis,
Speaker 7: they would you know, send MGL receipts to people saying
Speaker 7: that you need to click on it, make the payment
Speaker 7: or we'll cut your gas connection. So they keep evolving,
Speaker 7: they keep using the current situation in mind to make
Speaker 7: their frauds much more believable and view people. So they
Speaker 7: are absolutely as police is, like, you know, trying to
Speaker 7: figure out ways, they try to get one step ahead.
Speaker 7: So this cat and mouse game kind of is constantly
Speaker 7: in place.
Speaker 1: Right and so after this case, should companies assume they
Speaker 1: would be vulnerable to similar attacks? And also what are
Speaker 1: the biggest warning signs they should be looking out for.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, see corporates because the amount of money see from
Speaker 7: an individual, the amount of money that you make it
Speaker 7: like in this case, they could get ten crores in
Speaker 7: just one case. So they are targeting companies and companies
Speaker 7: need to realize that, you know, there has to be
Speaker 7: compartmentalization of things, especially when it comes to people who
Speaker 7: are making payments, transferring payments. There has to be an
Speaker 7: sop in place that these are the signs that you know,
Speaker 7: if a message is indeed coming from the bosses, then
Speaker 7: this is the way it has to be. If it
Speaker 7: is an urgent situation, this is the way it has
Speaker 7: to be. So companies, corporates do have to kind of
Speaker 7: wake up to the threat that cyber fludster's pose. And
Speaker 7: you know, you cannot be like a corpos telling me
Speaker 7: that you know, they carried out an awareness drive for
Speaker 7: various companies. They had invited this the owner of this
Speaker 7: company who did not turn up, and two weeks later
Speaker 7: he fell victim to a cyber fraud and they had
Speaker 7: mentioned that cyber fraud but he did not turn up.
Speaker 7: So a lot of companies also take this cyber threat
Speaker 7: very casually, thinking that, you know, this is not going
Speaker 7: to happen to us, and cyber awareness is seen as
Speaker 7: something that is not very serious. But this is a
Speaker 7: threat that is much more serious than people consider it.
Speaker 7: And there is this general fallacy that it would not
Speaker 7: happen to me. But these cyberfrochsters keep.
Speaker 6: Evolving and they kind of are.
Speaker 7: Unless you know about the kind of frauds that are
Speaker 7: in place, you know, it is easy to fall prey
Speaker 7: to that. So I mean, I think companies and individuals
Speaker 7: in general have to wake up to the threat that
Speaker 7: cyberfosters pose and more importantly, be aware about the kind
Speaker 7: of More to superandi is that the you so that
Speaker 7: once that happens it's happening to you. You know that, Okay,
Speaker 7: I've read about this, so yeah, there is definitely a
Speaker 7: need to be more aware about the kind of cyber
Speaker 7: frauds in place, right and what.
Speaker 2: Can employees do differently?
Speaker 7: So for the employees, I think, you know, once you
Speaker 7: have SUPs in place that okay, you know, the CEOs
Speaker 7: will not and in this case, you also need a
Speaker 7: top management to be on the same page that no
Speaker 7: matter how urgent it is, this is the way.
Speaker 6: Like it is like if a request.
Speaker 7: For money to be transferred has to be done, it
Speaker 7: would only be done an email and a message will
Speaker 7: not be sent or you know, so a lot of
Speaker 7: times the employees are too scared because of the top
Speaker 7: down approach.
Speaker 6: So in this case, it is more the bosses.
Speaker 7: I would say that, you know, even if you get
Speaker 7: a message from my number, do not transfer money and
Speaker 7: it has to only be transferred.
Speaker 6: If this supe is followed.
Speaker 7: So I think it's more the top management that has
Speaker 7: to take the initiative and the employees to then kind
Speaker 7: of follow in the steps.
Speaker 1: And in the end, we talk about former Education Minister
Speaker 1: the remaindri Pradhan's first appearance in parliament after his resignation.
Speaker 2: Two days after he resigned as.
Speaker 1: Union Education Minister in the face of nationwide protests against
Speaker 1: paper leagues, Dharminri Prudhan's parliamentary trip yesterday turned into a
Speaker 1: study in contrasts, a day marked by a hero's welcome
Speaker 1: from BJP MPs, jeers from the opposition and repeated disruptions
Speaker 1: inside the Lok Sabha. As reported by the Indian Expresses,
Speaker 1: Deep as he entered through the Makardwar BJP MPs greeted
Speaker 1: him with chance of the Harmaindra Pudhan Zindabad, draped a
Speaker 1: scarf around him and escorted him inside. But just meters away,
Speaker 1: opposition MPs were protesting over the police action against demonstrators
Speaker 1: at Delhi's Jhandarmantar and the armed Temple donation controversy. As
Speaker 1: Pradhan walked past, they hooted and raised slogans, setting the
Speaker 1: tone for a sharply divided day inside. The looks of
Speaker 1: her opposition MPs entered the well almost immediately after questionnaire began.
Speaker 1: They demanded that Home Minister Amit Shah make a statement
Speaker 1: on the alleged police successes during the twentieth July March
Speaker 1: to Parliament. Repeated appeals from Speaker Umbillah failed to restore
Speaker 1: order and the house.
Speaker 2: Was adjourned within minutes.
Speaker 1: Pradhan meanwhile continued to receive support from BJP colleagues and
Speaker 1: later spent time in Union Minister Bupeinriadov's office. When the
Speaker 1: house reconvened, Union Minister Jatan ra Singh managed to introduce
Speaker 1: the Public Examination's Prevention of Unfair Means Amendment Bill twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six amid the disruption, before proceedings were adjourned again.
Speaker 1: One of the day's most striking moments came when Pradhan
Speaker 1: encountered Congress MP Jeram Ramesh near the Makadwar. After a
Speaker 1: cordial exchange and an anecdote about their earlier interactions, Ramesh
Speaker 1: referred to Pradhan's resignation by saying it happens. Pradhan rejected
Speaker 1: that suggestion. He replied that nothing had happened and described
Speaker 1: himself as a street fighter, not an ac room activist,
Speaker 1: before leaving Parliament and skipping the post lund sitting. The
Speaker 1: House remained deadlocked through the afternoon, with the Speaker eventually
Speaker 1: giving the government an opposition time to reach an agreement
Speaker 1: on discussing the Examination Reform bill. You were listening to
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