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we do things around here.
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to think as well planned and well rehearsed, I would
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Speaker 5: Well we're professional ish is something like that.
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weekend is here. I had the day off, and tomorrow
it's back to the grind.
Speaker 5: Back to the grind, back to the grind. Oh yeah,
poor soul.
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And so here we are. We're about to have a
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Speaker 5: It is going to be good, and our great guest tonight,
ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Is uh?
Speaker 5: Is this this gentleman's first appearance on the portal, But
he's been around for a while now and taking part
in the chats and has become a great friend in
a very short period of time. But it's my great
pleasure to introduce to you guys, mister Duke Sullivan of
World Bigfoot Radio. Welcome to the show. Duke.
Speaker 3: Oh, everybody out there, big sky, howdy from the foggy
mountains of Montana. I hope everybody's doing great.
Speaker 5: Ah they are, at least that's what they told me.
I'm sure they are, and how could they not be
with a guest like you on the show. And this
is your first appearance, but it's one that I'm absolutely
thrilled about because you are one of the people I've
been listening to for a long time. You know, I
was listening to you, you know, way back when you
were over with Wes on Sasquatch Chronicles. I've listened to
your World Bigfoot Radio and you've just got this amazing
insight and amazing, you know, in knowledge base regarding these
really elusive beings. And it's been a great pleasure to
listen to you. And now it's a great personal pleasure
to have the opportunity to meet you and to work
with you. So this is just a dream come true
for me. Brother.
Speaker 3: Wow, you know, I don't even know how to respond
to that. I just a guy with a weird job,
you know, But I really appreciate the fact that you
like what I'm putting out and that you've been paying
so much attention to it. I try and get the
best information I can and put it out there, and
you know, let people decide what they think about it.
It's it's up to them to decide if they believe
it or they don't believe it, or they believe part
of it, or you know whatever. That's not my job.
I would have to be like the ultimate knowledgeable person.
I would have to literally know everything about every paranormal
thing there is to know in order to decide one
hundred percent of somebody that was potentially going to be
on my show is telling me the truth or not
or even had their facts right, even regardless of if
they were telling me the truth or not. So you know,
it's like, since I'm not in a position, Let's take
Bigfoot for example, I don't know everything there is to
know about Bigfoot. Nobody does. Maybe there's some guy that
does that works for the government. Where's a white lab coat.
He's not telling anybody about it. So unless I'm that guy,
by what virtue do I have the you know, hopping
the high horse and saying, well, I know everything about
Bigfoot and I don't believe that You're not going to
be on my show.
Speaker 5: Right, no, I And you know we've run into that too,
of course here on the show. And the thing that's
occurred to me is that there is for all of
the people that are you know, and I hate to
use this term in regards to the paranormal, because I
don't believe there are any legitimately, but there are a
lot of uote unquote experts in this field and there
they have a very diverse and widespread opinion on the subject.
But for every one of those people, there are so
many detractors saying they're absolutely full of garbage, and they're
you know, they're attacking them, they're degrading them. And this
is something that's become a real trend in in you know,
the Bigfoot community for certain, but in a lot of
areas in our modern era. And it's it's disconcerting because
you almost feel like you just don't know what to
believe anymore, because no matter what you decide to look into,
there's somebody saying, no, that's that's a bunch of bunk.
Speaker 3: Well, there's active attempts by certain quarters to discredit people
and cause chaos in the community. There's no question of that.
In my mind. Disinformation cause people to fight with each other,
so they won't you know, actually work together or anything.
I mean, if you think about it, whoever is suppressing
this there were nightmare? Is that really good research? We'll
start talking to each other instead of fighting with each other,
you know.
Speaker 6: And that's something we've been talking about a lot lately
in these last couple of weeks with all of our
guests that we've had on Linda Godfrey, Kat Hansen, you know,
Robin Moonshadow, you know, even Cindy Goodbreak, you know. And
I got on a soapbox the other day and said
something about, you know, we've got to stop you know,
this infighting and and come to a common you know,
common consensus about you know, what do we really believe
is out there? You know, if you don't like my view,
well then take what you want leave the rest. You know,
you don't have to agree with me one hundred percent.
And that's where we need to be. And that's not
just you know, the cryptic community, it's the paranormal community,
it's politics, it's all of it, and it's all connected
in that sense. But we've been talking about the duality
of it for a long time and and you're you're
absolutely right. We've got to stop this backstabbing stuff because
we are our own discreditors. As you said, you know,
we debunk ourselves, you know, so well we should debunk
ourselves to a certain point.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But well there's some stuff that you know, like you're
talking about like photo evidence and video and stuff. There's
some stuff that for sure it's fake. There's people in
a monkey suit or somebody made some kind of a
prop that looks like a monster and they got a
picture of it, and it's like no, sure, Well.
Speaker 6: You know, there are there are those people that just
information people. You know, they're in everything everything from commercials
to TV to radio. To just everyday life, you know,
and you just got to figure out a way around them,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's again what it's it. It is incumbent
on the listener to do their own research. And this
applies to everything politics, news, bigfoot, whatever. You've got to
go check out. I'm sorry, you can't be lazy anymore.
You've got to go check out the sources if you
want to believe them. After that, cool, Now you've got
somebody that you can listen to. If you think they're
full of it, then you know, you shouldn't waste your
time listening to them anymore. But ultimately that's the only
way that you can really get viable information anymore. You've
got to, you know, check into the people that you're
getting the information from. You know, see how much of
it seems to ring truth with what you already know,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Do your own research.
You can't just expect anymore that you're going to be
able to sit back and be spoon fed information and
expect that it's going to be accurate, because you know,
certain people put a lot of money into their budget
to make sure that we don't get accurate information, especially
in mainstream media.
Speaker 5: Right, very true, very good, very good advice and wise words.
How long you been doing this?
Speaker 3: Which part of it? I've known cryptids were real since
nineteen seventy two. I didn't get actively interested in doing
any research on them until about nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 5: And how did you know they were reel in seventy two?
What was that pivotal moment for you?
Speaker 3: Because I was born the year before. Yeah, I was outsledding.
This is northern Minnesota. It was fabrus. A couple of
weeks before, it had been the all time record cold
temperature in the county next to us, minus fifty two ambient.
So since it was only twenty blow where you're like, ooh,
heat wave, let's go sledding, and yeah, I mean seriously,
after it's like thirty degrees warmer, Yeah, let's go. Let's
So we had found this place. And I've told this
story a few times before. I don't know if you
want me to do the whole thing again.
Speaker 5: Just whatever you want to. I just know that it'll
give an opportunity for you to introduce yourself to our
h' be familiar with you.
Speaker 3: Well, me and one of my friends had decided to
go back sledding, and we had found this huge, huge
hill way back in the woods. Unfortunately, was on a
fire break, and the only reason the fire break didn't
go any further is because it dead ended in about
one hundred yard quagmire that they literally couldn't get any
machinery across to continue making one. So why make it
go any further. This is as far as it's going
to go. But during the winter, when the quagmires frozen over,
you could lay on your sled and get across it.
So we did and got over to the fireside, looked
at it and went, wow, this is a huge hill,
and walked up to the top of it and went
there's another huge hill on top of it, and went
to the top of that one and went, holy bleep,
there's a huge hill on top of this one. This
thing is gigantic. This is bigger than the lower ski hill,
the local ski hill all the kids liked to go to,
the snowmobiles and everything like, and nobody knows these things
out here, nobody's been to.
Speaker 5: This is awesome.
Speaker 3: So we decided we were going to build this totally
awesome looge run and you know with the day we
were out there, like I said, it was it was
good and cold, but we you know, packed the supers
on it and everything to make sure that when we
got up to ridiculous speed, which would be like about
halfway down the first of the three hills, you'd actually
make the turns. Because these hills weren't like lined up
with each other. You had to turn twice get down
to the bottom. And it was all wooded. It's all
you know, it's woods, it's never been shut down. There's
a giant trees. So you know, we got about three
and a half four feet of snow that we're futzing
around in here, and packed ourselves a trail up to
the top of the hill and then started building the
sledding round on that. And I think we're out there
for like three or four hours, and we got it
pretty well put together, and then well it's almost dark,
we need to go back. So that I want to
say it's a following weekend, but it seems to me
like it was only a few days later, maybe two
or three days later. My buddy Dave showed up again
and went, hey, let's go out and try out the
sledding run. It's actually got warm and melted once in between,
which it had, so it's probably nice and hard now
for loose run. Let's go check it out. So we
went out there, and we got out there about mid afternoon.
It was probably about two in the afternoon. And since
this thing was like super steep and dangerous, there was
only two of us out there, and the opportunity to
get wrapped around the tree was very real. We decided
that even at ten years old, we'd be smart about
this and only one of us would go down the
hill at once, and the other one would stand by
in case we needed medical care. So we tried to
do a couple slow runs down the hill, and I
mean like you know, dragging your legs and putting your
arms out and slowing yourself down, and it was still
scary fast. And then I was going up for the
I think it was my third try, and I was
going to try and go really fast this time down
the hill. I got up to the top of the
hill and I had my little runway up there on
the edge of the cliff that I was looking over going, Man,
this is gonna be really dangerous, and I noticed that
something was wrong. I had turned around when I came
up to the top of the hill to put my
sled down, and sort of, you know, just by nature
of having to perform that motion, had scanned the top
of the hill because my eyeline ran across it. And
I realized that I put my sled down, that there
was something wrong. It looked different on the top of
the hill than the previous time I had been up there.
So I turned back around and looked again, and I
still couldn't really figure out what it was, and I
was going to jump on my sled, and then it
was like I had this like feeling something was really wrong,
and I turned around and looked, and the whole top
of the hill, right in that park before it dropped
off to go down the backside, which I had never
seen and probably never will, was mostly all hardwoods, except
for over on the right hand side there was a
huge black spruce, and I realized what it caught my
attention is the black spruce had three trunks on it
and two of them had hair on it. I well,
that ain't right. And it had this you know, six
eight inch long hair that had like little snow dingle
balls i'll compacted into it and it was kind of
a grayish white anyway, so it blended in really good,
and it looked a lot like a gray tree trunk
with like maybe some snow blown on it and stuff,
except for the hair thing. And the first thing that
hit my mind is, well, it's somebody out here with
the snowmobile pants on, because at that time they actually
had snowbel pants out on the market. They had like
fake for the outside. I don't know what they thought
that was going to do any good insulation wise, but
there was such a thing, and I was just like,
oh man, one of the local kids found our trail
out here, They found our awesome sledding hill. The whole
thing is ruined. This is terrible, And now they're sitting
here spying on us and probably getting ready to throw
snowballs at us or something. So the bottommost branches were
probably three four feet up, probably closer to me, Yeah,
three four fet up. So I figured if I looked
up far enough that i'd see somebody's face peeking through
the branches at me. So of course I just turned
my gaze up to about where you know, five six
feet was. There was nobody's face there, and I'm like huh, well,
they're just hiding behind the tree. And then I realized
a little bit higher up there was like rustling, so
I turned my gaze up a little bit higher, and
about at the nine foot mark there was this incredibly
hideous face looking at me though, and it had just
a second where it had this expression on its face like, oh,
I'm busted, you know, like the kid with his hand
caught in the cookie jar, or just like maybe half
a second flashed across his face, and then he grinned
at me. And this thing had a really wide mouth,
you know, its head could like its mouth could swallow basketball.
And it had teeth that looked like a friggin sharp shark,
not like you know, giant chicklets like Patty and some
of the other big foot get described as, you know,
we got teeth kind of like ours, only giant. This
thing had nothing like that. It looked like a bear trap.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've since learned that any of the
higher primates or even monkeys and stuff, if they grin
at you, it's not hey, I think you're funny, it's
these are one of the weapons that I'm going to
use to rip you.
Speaker 6: The shred very soon copy that commander.
Speaker 3: Even at the time I had no idea about that,
not being that much into naturalism or steadying apes or anything,
but it was quite apparent to me that he wasn't
inviting me to come over and like play peanuckle with
them or something. That was quite the vicious grin. And
this whole thing lasted, you know, much shorter than it
takes to describe, maybe like a second and a half
from the time he realized I saw him until he
gave me the grin. And then my next move was
dive on the sled and go as fast as humanly
possible down the hill and care if I hit a
tree or flew off a super or something. You know,
still better than being caught by whatever the hell that
thing was. And as I got about down to the
midpoint of the hill, my buddy Dave was standing down there,
and you know, this was supposed to be a high
speed run, but he was still looking concerned because like, dude,
you're not dragging your hands or anything.
Speaker 5: What's going on here?
Speaker 3: You barely made it round that last super. He had
this look on his face, and then we saw the
look on my face, which you know, I can only
imagine was like, you know, chalky white with bulging eyes.
He got really concerned when he could see the look
on my face. And I didn't even slow down as
it went past him. I just yelled run like hell,
and apparently he jumped on his sled and was right
behind me. But you know, I'm amazed that I didn't
kill myself going down that sledding hill. We did a
really good job of building it, or just the sledding
run down would have killed me. But as it was,
I had so much momentum by the time I hit
the bottom of the third hill down to where that
frozen quagmire was. The momentum carried me all the way
across to the opposite hillside. And that's like almost the
length of a football field, so you can imagine how
fast I was going. It was retarded. When Dave got
down to the bottom of hill, he had to slog
about two shots across because he wasn't going nearly as
fast as I was.
Speaker 5: That's amazing, now, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: But yeah, the teeth, you know, and and you know, yeah,
that would definitely, you know, make me a believer that
there's something out there and it's shared in the woods
with you, and it found your spent your hiding spot.
Speaker 5: You know, now, that is unusual, though, the sharp teeth,
I'd never heard of that before before this either.
Speaker 3: It took me a long, long, long time to figure out.
And I'm still not sure I know what's going on
with it. But in the area in northern Minnesota and
up into central Canada, Eastern Canada and some of the
northern state's main places like that, they almost use the
word wind to go, And that's like the local name
for Bigfoot, okay, And some of them have two names
for bigfoot, which is what put me onto this thing.
And especially if you go back to the really really
old reports the Reverend Thomas Gwynard in his book Amongst
the Tech Dobulet described and this is like in the
seventeen eighties, what did that tribe say the wind to
Go was? And their description briefly, and I'm not quoting
over word because I don't have it memorized sure, is
that it's a giant, hairy savage who goes naked in
the woods, is insensitive to temperature variation, and eats indians.
Speaker 5: Wow. Wow, Okay.
Speaker 3: And then if you start looking into more of their
legends over there, you find out that they had wars
with these damn things where like, you know, it was
like you or us, we're not living in the same
territory with you man eating things. You know, it wasn't
friendly old bigfoot from the West coast that you know
just wants to take your fish out of your trap
and slap the side of your house and leave. These
things are actually like you know, predatory going after people.
And if you if you go and I looked into
the legends further north and stuff, and also in Canada,
apparently there's the same same sub variety where they have
like the regular bigfoot, and they also have these other
things that look kind of like bigfoot. We eat people.
And a lot of the Indian tribes will say that too.
There's two kinds of bigfoot. Avoid the ones with the
red eyes. Oh I heard that, but you will of that, yeah.
And the other thing is that you know, apparently my
guess is that it's a subarctic carnivore. They're just adapted
to ice age conditions, which is why they still live
up in you know, places like Alaska, Northern Canada and stuff.
Immense area for them to live in plenty of food.
As long as you can handle the cold, and you're
gonna eat an almost exclusively meat diet, you can do
it just fine. That's what the natives do.
Speaker 5: Sure right. Wow, that is just unreal. That's that. I
thought i'd heard pretty much everything, But now I know
that I have it. That is amazing.
Speaker 3: So's even more interesting now is that the Iroquois Confederation,
which had like a dozen or more tribes in it,
we're all throwing the same word around when they were
talking about this thing, but part of the confederation was
actually down south that it was, you know, into the
United States and Middle United States sort of, and those
tribes were also talking about a thing they called a
stone giant. Yes, if you ever heard of the stone
giant at Genoskua, they're legend of Why they're called the
shining ones of the stone giants is because they were
covered with stone like hide. Well, if you look closer
at their legends, they explain exactly how they got this
stone like hide. It's not growing on them. It's their
regular bigfoot type critter with long hair, and it actually
gives a description in more than one of the Indian
legends where they're talking about it. The Genosco would go
and rub up against trees until they would have all
this pine sap resin pitch and stuff built up on
their fur. And then they'd go roll in gravel and
crushed rock, which would then adhere to their hide. And
after several applications of that, guess what they got rock
armor on them. And your puny little arrows with your
little rock broadheads on it aren't going to penetrate anymore.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, bad news right now here. Let me
finish up now, because if you take the of what
the Genoskua did, there's another tribe that calls this thing
the stren Do, and they give the same description of it.
And two of the more northern tribes use the word
string to interchangeably with whnd to go, So the when
to go in the Genoskua are the same critter.
Speaker 5: Hey, okay, And then that's that's all kinds of creepy.
Of course, the wind to go is no, it's also
a possessing spirit. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like three different weird things going on there.
There's the wind to go psychosis, which is somebody gets
cabin fever and you know they maybe run on a
food or maybe they just go nuts and decide to
eat their friends and family, right, and you know, human
is more yummier than anything else. Very likely they're just possessed.
Definitely could have something to do with it. And there
used to be whend to Go hunters in the eighteen
hundreds that were around the running around Canada killing people
that were supposedly transforming into wendigoes because they get the
wind to Go psychosis and start eating their neighbors. And
then these when to Go killer specialists would go around
and take them down. So there's that thing, and then
there's another thing, which is the supernatural wind to Go
spirit where you think of lead like the fleshless deer
skull with the big antlers on it and the glowing
red eyes, and this giant spectral entity with claws and
blah blah blah eats humans. Again, this could be some
kind of a demon of the north Woods. It could
be the same demon that's causing these people to go insane,
possibly possessing them or making them, you know, somehow having
a mental connection with and making them slaves after they
eat human flesh. Now you're in my world, sucker, you're
working for me sort of thing. There's also possible connection
to skin walkers. And then there's another weird thing, which
is that more than one researcher that I know is
actually either seen and in the case of Jerry Klein's
buddies working down there in Ohio, they recently got a
game camp picture of a bigfoot that had like a
deer head and part of its hide sitting on top
of its head. Are you yep? So if you got
one of these things, you know, running around, it's like,
you know, decide it wants to make itself a little
hat on something else, you could easily mistake that for
Oh my god, there's the Wind to Go. You know.
It's got this deer antlers on top of its head.
It's like eight feet it's got the glowing red eyes,
you know, and unless you get closer, in which case
you'll never be seen again to report on it, you'll
never be any the wiser about what it is you're
actually looking at.
Speaker 5: Wow, that is all kinds of wild.
Speaker 6: I've heard any of that.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Portal, don Well.
Speaker 6: I've heard about, you know, some of the Wind to
Go stuff, but not not that kind of a connection
to Bigfoot, but that's just all crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the wind to go to me is
kind of it's kind of like become the troop of
Cabra of sorts, because their tup of cabra has about
five different physical descriptions, and people are these.
Speaker 3: Cupid blue tick Texas troop of cabra and then there's
a little reptilian probably synthetically created weird thing or maybe
alien and yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like the wind to go is taken
on all these different forms too, right, And it's I
don't know if it's just because there's like cannibalism involved
or you know, human human diet involved, I should say, because.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a subject, especially amongst these Northerly tribes because
they had such long winters, that was a real prospect
every year that they would have to worry about running
out of food, being snowed and starving to death. You know,
So the specter of the wend Goo loomed large on them.
But just to give you another story, this one's from Minnesota.
There's a place called Wendego Lake and I mentioned this
on shows before. It's up in northern Minnesota, and this
is Minnesota, is the land of not ten thousand to
actually thirty thousand lakes. If you fly over it, it's
all water with little strips of land in between it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's this one good sized lake there, and by
good size, I mean miles across. That's got a big
island on it, and the island's so big it's got
a lake in the middle of it. In the middle
of that lake, on that island, there's another little island. Now.
Apparently one winter got cold enough that it froze all
the way across the big lake, and the wendigo was
making his way across the lake and ended up being
on the island and stuck around too long because there
was plenty of game animals over there, and the lake melted,
and he was stuck on the island all summer long.
As a matter of the people that were over there,
and they would go to that island out on the
lake during the course of the summer, and they said
at night they could hear him on the little island
in the little lake on the island, howling and screaming
and making weird noises, and it scared the hell out
of them. So they didn't want to go out there,
and then like two years later it got cold enough
the whole big lake froze over again and that was
the end of the sighting. They never reported any sounds
from him. He wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 5: So it doesn't sound like they swim then.
Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of where I'm going with this.
And I've had a lot of other reports of these
northern predatory you know, Arctus anthrophagus, cannibalists, horribleiss, whatever you
want to call him. You know that there's not one
incident I can think of where they go in the water.
I've never heard that. As a matter of fact, I've
heard things to the contrary, where people will just stay
on the opposite side of a river from where their
territory is and they don't have nothing to worry about.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: So it could very well be that these things just
literally can't swim. I don't know how mine something to
do with their fur or their hair, but you know,
whatever the case is, it seems like they just do
not cross water, so, which is great news. During the
warmer months, they ain't going anywhere. During the winter when
everything freezes over, then they got free travel Rosster wherever
they want to go to. And they seem to like
the cold a lot too, so you generally don't you
know what, There's been like three reports that I know
of this type that happened in the nineteen seventies out
of the Minnesota and Dakota area. Okay, we're during January,
February cold snaps. Wow, well that thought.
Speaker 5: We're going to go to our first break, ladies and gentlemen.
As you can see, it's an epic night here on
the portal, So don't go away, get your refreshments, use
the loot, and we'll meet you back here in just
a couple of minutes, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen to
the Paranormal Portal. It's our Saturday edition and we are
just having a phenomenal journey so far tonight, and it's
just begun. We have just cleared the first half hour.
The discussion has been absolutely epic, and that's probably because
of our special guest tonight, Bigfoot World. Bigfoot Radio's own
Duke Sullivan is joining us here on the show, and
this guy is our socks off. Yeah, we're just kind
of here rubbing our temp was going, oh wow, what
else can I know, well, I can't wait to hear.
So welcome back, brother, and thank you for being here
with us tonight.
Speaker 3: It's been a blast. Guys. You know, the world is
not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we.
Speaker 5: Can that's a good point. Stranger than we can imagine. Yeah, absolutely,
I was just noticing I was nearly melting a cable
here in my studio because of my my over zealous
use of candles. Alright, so not that that has anything to.
Speaker 3: Do with the show Electronic Equipment loves Hot. Come on,
did you like this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? You did? Oh that's why I don't usually like
that one. It's so low. Okay, that explains it all right.
Speaker 3: So anyway you watched me do it studio fires averted.
Speaker 5: I know there's an extra candlelight that I had right
under the cable. Now it explains it, all right.
Speaker 3: Hey. I was the middle of interviewing to a person
one time and my iguana decided to jump on the
desk and knock all my equipment over And that was
five minutes.
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh, how big is youer iguana?
Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, he was about three feet long.
Speaker 5: Oh big size and good size.
Speaker 3: Well, I've had a five before.
Speaker 5: I used to have a Boa constrictor. It was I
really enjoyed having snakes, and I had a California King
and a corn snake as well. It was a lot
of fun. But they, you know, I don't know, Life
just moves on. I guess less time for pets now
than I used to have. But well, tonight, ladies and gentlemen,
we are discussing Bigfoot and all things crypted here on
the portal. As you know, Douke has a world of experience,
as you can tell from the first half hour of
not only knowledge and information, but experience with a plethora
of of amazing things. Now, you had mentioned that your
first experience was then, but you didn't start investing gating
until much later. So what was what was the activation
for you to begin really investigating and aggressively investigating this.
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, it was that one of them showed up
on our yard, oh about five years later, and at
that point I just went, well, you know, staying out
of the woods is not working, So I guess I
need to know more about these damn things because they're
going to come up on the yard apparently. So at
that point I got very interested in digging up all
the information that I could, and it's like seventy seven,
so you know, we're talking about like ten years after
the Patterson Gimlin film. There's like in search of and
there's a couple documentaries and like, you know, three or
four people have books out and that's it. There's just
nothing out there. And I'm like, well, great, you guys
are totally not helping. So you know, I had already
seen the Patterson Gimblin film and I went like, well,
that looks like it's real to me, but it's completely
different than what I saw. So there's like two kinds
of these damn things running around North America. Apparently there are,
you know, because this is as different as looking at
a howler monkey and orangutan. It's obviously not the same animal, right,
So at that point I got really interested in it.
And then much later on the Internet, other researchers started
talking about there being two kinds down in the South.
And I didn't live in the South for more than about,
you know, six seven years total, so I didn't have
that much time to actually run into more than one
kind or you know, anything like that. So I have
to you know, I have to take it from what
they're telling me. What other people like Kevin who was
on my show and had experiences with what we presume
to be a type one bigfoot up here in Idaho
where you guys are. He's done in Missouri doing research
down there, and he spotted a couple of them, and
he said that they're not the same thing. This must
be what they're calling wood burgers. So he's again convinced
that there are two different kinds, and the big foot
all laws are all over this tell you that there's
two different kinds in the South. There's the wood buggers
and then there's the paddy type like from over on
the Pacific coast, which just makes sense. You know, they
could they can sure move, so if they want to
move somewhere, they could be all over the place. Yeah,
it's going to stop them, right.
Speaker 6: You know when we hear that a lot too, that
they roam quite a bit. They not necessarily migrate, but
they just go wherever they want.
Speaker 3: That's yeah. No, I don't think they really do migrate.
I think it kind of depends on the terrain that
they're in, and some terrain per acre doesn't have that
big of a yield of usable food for them. They
have to have a wider range in some areas, Like
over here on the mountain right next to where I'm living,
there's a troop that's up there, you know, year round,
the mountains crawling with deer, and there's an elkre that
lives on it. Well, gee, why go anywhere?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, that's probably true. It's like living next to Walmart,
living in Walmart.
Speaker 3: You know, the best part of it is part of
it is the part of it is actually acted to
the Lolo National Forest two point million acres, and another
little piece of it is a thirty five thousand acre
recreational area usable only during the day. So yeah, and
I found plenty of side of them in that recreational area.
Speaker 5: Wow, I can believe that. Yeah. Now, do you suppose
these things might have followed you back from that slending,
because you hear these stories of people saying, look, they
will not only if you see them, they can very
well track you over long distances of terrain to see
you know, to see who you are, and you know,
follow you home. Do you think that might have happened
in your.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's certainly possible. It's kind of odd that it
waited like five years later to do it, being that
I was only three miles from where I saw it.
Speaker 5: But you know, do you think that's just that that
they've been They probably did it like the very day,
but you just didn't get to see them until then
because they are so good at not being Yeah, but
we were.
Speaker 3: We were cruising around the woods near the house all
the time. If anything left tracks around there, we would
have found them. So if they were that a visual
range of the house, we would have oticed it.
Speaker 5: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3: We were s shooting and bunny shooting all the time,
so we were all over the woods.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: That's crazy even after that experience, you know, you hear
so many people are absolutely I mean, their whole paradigm
has changed after a sighting, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Mine was too. Actually, it was so bad that I
actually had hysterical amnesia and forgot that I had seen it. Wow,
Dave apparently never saw it. It stayed up on top
of the hill. He just saw me panic and go
past him. Okay, so he didn't know what caused it,
peculiarly didn't bother to ask me when he got back. Yeah,
it could be that because he was like not in
that good as shape and panting trying to catch up
to me that he was like couldn't breathe enough to
ask the questions. So it just kind of and then
years later he asked me, and that's it was like
two three years later, and then it popped back into
my memory what had happened. I was really mad at
him because he made me remember, and during that time
period and the two years in between that I didn't
remember it had happened. I looked back on it after
that went well, yeah, I kind of really haven't gone
very far out in the woods for the last couple years,
and that's literally probably not more than a couple hundred
yards from the house in those two years. Even though
I didn't, like in my conscious mind remember what had happened,
my subconscious was telling me, apparently you don't go any further.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of weird that it didn't register on
my parents because even after I remembered it, then I
didn't want to go in the woods at all.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3: Then I'm twelve years old, I remember I had this
sighting I'm not going in the woods at all. And
I never brought it up to my parents or anything.
And it's kind of bizarre that they never It's like
they didn't even notice it. You know. I go from
like practically living in the woods to never setting foot
in it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty big change in behavior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for somebody that's like really into hunting and
snowshoeing and all that kind of stuff. And I had
like fifteen plus guns, you know, like, why wouldn't I
be out there shooting? Sure, you know, never registered apparently.
That just kind of still boggles my mind to this day.
But then after the one came up on yard, and
this is during the summer, and the whole situation is
just so weird and counterintuitive. It still doesn't make any
sense to me. The more I know about big with,
the less sense it makes. Right, Because there was like
a huge gathering going on at my folks house. They
had like during the entire time I was a kid,
like maybe three gatherings where they had relatives over or
something and they'd have a few beers and turn some
music on. And this was like some local function Lions
Club or something or whatever, and they were having something there.
So we had a driveway about, you know, seventy five
yards long, and both sides of it, all the way
down to the road were parked with cars, and there
were some out on the road too, So we had
the places back, all kinds of noise. Inside of the
house stall lit up. There's a ton of people in there,
and you know, is this an ideal situation to come
sneak up on the house. Seriously, that's a perfect time. Yeah,
you know, And you've got miles of nice quiet woods around.
You don't need to be anywhere near this house, which
has a shooting range right behind it and routinely blow
away bears that are getting into our garbage bin and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's craziness. So now you had mentioned two
types and now I've heard four types. What's going on there?
Where's the distinction between the two schools of thought there?
Speaker 3: Well, I just you know, after I got more information
what these guys down south we're seeing, I adopted, you know,
and I think West is pretty much adopted the same
sort of thing too, if he's got the if he's
still doing that, because he's one of the guys that
mentioned it early on Big Wood All has mentioned it
early on. And there's a bunch of people that have
this classification system that usually pretty much don't agree with
each other on what each thing is. Okay, yeah, my
classification system. A type one is your patty Type A.
Type two is your Southern wood booger. Type A type
three is a thing gets confused for dog man but
doesn't have the the hawks. It doesn't have the reverse
looking legs like a dog does with it's trying to
stand up on two feet. Sure it's got that joint
looking thing it's actually ankle, but you know, to us
it looks like there's an extra but you know, they
don't have that. They got legs like a bigfoot or something.
The only thing that's not bigfoot light is they got
a short snout on them. And these are the things
that the Mick Matt Confederation in the Upper East Coast
had termed a gugwee. And again they had several things
in their legends about what was actually running around the woods,
and this again was something that's like didn't seem to
conform to a wind to go. They had wind to
Go legends in the same area. Why they have a
different name for it. They also had a regular name
for bigfoot, wasn't that either. And then I started looking
around some of these other tribes and lo and behold,
some of them also had this extra word for some
kind of a monster thing. And if you got the description,
that's what they were describing it. Like northern Minnesota and
up into Canada from there, the local tribes are calling
it a tug awe, which is very similar to gugwee
if you'll notice, like fifteen hundred two thousand miles further west,
and then you know the face heaters and up in
central Canada, and the law enforcement guys get calls on
these things, they call them the bear man. So they've
got their own local name that they have for him
up there. They calls on him off and enough. Blaine
Tyler that does research up there in Ontario, he has
both kinds in his area, has the type threes and
the regular type one bigfoot, and he doesn't like the
type threes at all. They're way too aggressive. You know,
if he goes into an area where's regular bigfoot, the
bigfoot will just try and get away from him. They'll
sneak further back in the woods, they might peak. So
he's lucky enough to get a shot him occasionally, but
that's you know, that's it. These other things will actually
like follow you and come toward you when you go,
And I said, yeah, especially during the winter. They're known
to be you know, like scavengers, and they'll lead fresh
meat too, and they work in groups, so don't give
him any chance to get any ideas. So yeah, those
things are generally more feared than regular bigfoot, you know,
the legends of Bigfoot. If you kind of leave him alone,
he'll leave you alone sort of thing. These things are
more like having a pack of hungry baboons following you around.
You don't know what they're up to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, none of it's good.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're probably thinking that you look yabby, and
can they they've got enough thought process to actually think
it out and go, Can I get away with nabbing
this lone guy? Is there anybody following up? Probably far
enough that I screw up? Nobody can hear him screen.
Speaker 5: Right, And you know you said you mentioned the stone apes.
Now that that really shows quite a bit of reasoning
and logic. I mean, that's a pretty brilliant move. And
you know you wouldn't necessarily attribute that kind of thought
process to these beings. But apparently they are pretty brilliant then, huh.
Speaker 3: Well in their own way. I mean, they don't understand
technology or anything like we do because we made that
because we need the crutch. They don't. They've got the
physical capability to live without it, including fire. Are they smart, Yeah,
they're very smart. Can they reason? Can they figure things out?
I have plenty of reports of them opening doors, going
in houses. They can figure out how to do all
that kind of stuff. It's no big deal. They just
don't because it's not good because if you think about
their size, all of a sudden, they're in this teeny
restricted space, but they don't know what's in there, what
potential traps or hazards there are. So that's why generally
you don't have that kind of stuff unless you got
some enraged squad you wants to rip your cabin down
because he's mad at you or something. You don't get
that kind of thing happening. You know, generally they'll turn
the cabin down when you're not there because they don't
want the direct conflict. They don't want to take a
chance on getting hurt. Sure, but as far as that goes, yeah,
it's also interesting to note that even though the name
Jenoskua is still used in some cases interchangeably with regular bigfoot,
where apparently some people haven't bothered to do the research.
If you go back in time when they got the
name of the stone coats and the shining ones and
all this stuff with them having this rock like hide.
That was during the latter period of when the Indians
were running everything, you know, the Native Americans, and mostly
there were any colonists in the area. You had a
few French fur trappers, and then after that you had
a few bloggers and the voyagers and all those kind
of guys, but there's few and far between. When you
started getting a general influx of white people, that made
flintlock weaponry available to the natives. Sure, and what would
be the first thing you would do with flintlock weaponry?
You had these neighbors as a problem. Yeah, yeah, your
your rock armor isn't going to save you from this, buddy.
We may be able to ping off little stone tipped
arrows off all day long, that won't hurt you, But
when you get shot with a sixty nine caliber musket
that's going right through your outer rock hide and blowing
a hole through your back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker 3: So after basically, what I'm saying is after that period,
when that when this colonization started, you know, getting robust,
and there was enough white people around actually started having
connections with the local natives and getting in these kind
of information from there, weren't any reports of these guys anymore.
Speaker 5: Right, they realized a few of the practice because yeah, which.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they don't still do it. It's potentially.
I can see several upsides to this, in addition to
being like, you know, more impervious to damage thing, and
one being that there's legends that these things like to
live in high mountains when available above the tree line
and rocky talus slopes and big rock fields. Now, think
about it for a minute. Mountain goats got trails to
go across this rock field. You got rocks all over
you see, you look like a pile of rock. You
can lay right next to this trail until one comes,
walk and pass and just gravel.
Speaker 5: Oh geez right, good point. Yeah, yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: They're interesting and scary. Point on this whole subject, before
I forget about it, is Dave Polighti's missing flour one one. Yeah,
one are the three areas where people most frequently go missing.
One isn't Berry patches, specifically Huckleberry being number one. Who
isn't swamps? And what's number three?
Speaker 5: Rocky slopes, the stonefieldsymp exactly. In fact, they usually if
they find people, they there's a lot of people that
are eventually found and they're found crushed on those stone
slopes or whatever, like they had been lopped down.
Speaker 3: Yep. Now we had one of those here a few
years ago in the Bitter d Valley. One of the locals,
according to the police, had fallen to his death while
trying to free climb. And we didn't buy that. I
got a hold of Kelly Shaw. He came out here
and actually did the investigation on it and talked to
the next to kin and they said that every regard
the newspaper press release issued by the police was completely false. Oh,
this kid had lived here all of his life. He
was a hiker and a runner. He never did any
free climbing. He wouldn't think about free climbing by himself
for the first time. That's just insane. He knew better.
He didn't have any free climbing equipment that he left
in his car, like the cops claimed, he didn't have
any free climbing equipment.
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, so it was just a convenient press release.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he fell to his death. That's why
he was mangled at the base of this big rocky slope.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Two days later, another guy went missing and they didn't
find him. This was four miles away from him, And
they didn't find this guy's remains for almost two weeks.
And they were out there with helicopters, they had rescue
dog teams, they had all the local you know, sheriffs, detectives,
all those guys out there looking for him. They couldn't
find him. His truck was there, door open, No guy there.
Dogs can't find a blood trail. So like, what if
a predator would have killed him, there would have been
some evidence of it. They would have had to pick
him up. Then they would have found the predator's smell
and there would have been a trail, nothing, no evidence.
Two weeks later, corps finding dogs find his remains two
miles away on an extremely steep wooded slope, torn into pieces.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. Oh yeah, that's freaky. That's freaky freaky stuff,
you know, And that. I guess what that that does
to me is, you know, some people like to consider
that that you know, these are just the simple forest
dwellers and they're peaceful. But like you're saying, there's several
different types, and some of them we're on the menu.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is that you can't really throw
blanket statements over any of them. In general, the type
ones are the least aggressive. That doesn't mean you couldn't
get mashed by one. You're in the wrong place at
the wrong time, you do something dumb, you panic, you
shoot them before you think about it. Oh God, you're
in trouble now, right cray, he decides to run away
and doesn't just attack, or you know, you're like too
close to where there's a mama and some squatch lits
and daddy comes up on it and goes, oh, I'm
just gonna throw a log at him, oh man or
a boulder.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. We just covered a story last night. It
was I think it was out of the twenties or
thirties of this rodeo hand who went up north with
a couple other the native rodeo hands. They were hunting
for their winter meat, and they ended up camping in
this place, way out in the woods, in the sticks,
and they were in British Columbia. And the guy said
that there were basketball and beach ball sized boulders that
were thrown over a fifty foot creek and accurately hitting
their tents and stuff, and the strength is just unbelievable.
Speaker 3: So clearly that tells you there was a last vestiage
of the Roman legionaires that got hopelessly lost, and the
artillery is still there. Were using their catapult skills, getting
a little practice in while they had the opportunity. Or
it could be boulder grizzlies. Maybe a boulder grizzly. No, seriously,
come on, you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds legit, I think.
Speaker 3: No, Actually, that's I like to make fun of that
because some of the stuff that you know, people that
aren't paying attention jump to to rationalize these you know,
mental leaps that protect their little world from collapsing like
a house of cards, are just so much more far
fetched than the possibility that hey, maybe Bigfoot did that.
Speaker 5: It's just hilarious, right it is, and you're right, you're
absolutely right. And then the lengths that they go to
to throw normal uh, normal events and put them in
some kind of ridiculous chain in order to make it
seem like it's perhaps plausible. It's just ridiculous. I mean,
it's just easier to go, hey, there's something out here
that can throw rocks, and we don't know what it is,
but it's out here. I mean, that's you know, right,
there's just these other ideas and it just goes down
ridiculousness to protect protect a paradigm.
Speaker 3: But I don't know's there's some areas that I've heard of,
like over on the other side of the bitter Roots
from here. You know, anybody that's driving around of four
wheel ATVs or mountain mountain bikes or any of that, well,
the motorized ones seem to really attract their attention, but
they get rocks thrown at them, but they they keep
doing it. It's like, you know, let's run the Godlet
I don't know what's throwing those rocks at us, but
they've missed so far. Go fast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Well, I think I personally think that they
must use rocks as a hunting tech. And I think
I've heard other researchers say this, but I actually had
the idea on my own, and then I found out
that other researchers were saying the same thing. Do you
do you subscribe to that idea that they are actually
very very precise rock throwers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't take all that much practice to get
good at it. And what else have they got to
throw logs or rocks? Man, They're going to get good
at both of them, right, Yeah, you know, we've got
video of bigfoot hucking like a twelve foot tree thinker
Thucker did a breakdown on that. They've got other you know,
stuff that indicates that they do throw logs, they do
throw rocks. So that's pretty much, you know, more or
less case closed on that one in the Bigfoot community.
So yeah, you know, definitely. Let me give you an example.
When I was a kid, like I said, I had
a lot of guns and stuff. That was during the
Bicentennial in nineteen seventy six, and I was a part
of a black powder gun club. So we go do
the marches and parades where we'd all lot of our
buckskins and all that kind of stuff. Man, the black
powder shoots and one of the things that we did
it was Tomahawk, a knife thrown competition, which I really
got into and I won a bunch of trophies at it.
And so later on nineteen eighty, me and my cousin
were out in the Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming and
ran out of food because we were stupid and we
didn't have any other way to go gather anything with
us except for to take a buck knife and tie
it onto a stick and try and make a spear
out of it. So we saw a herd of turkeys
and we decided to chase them around. Yeah, that didn't
work out very well. They could stay ahead of us
until they got up to the balld top of this
mountain and they started following this trail that sort of
stayed at the same level, it didn't go up or down.
And we got about like a third of the way
around the mountain. My cousin goes, I bet this thing
goes all the way around the mountain, and I went, yeah,
I bet you're right, and he said, go back and
sit next to a good spot. I'll just keep going.
I'll chase them right around to you. And I'm like, okay.
So I found this spot on the trail where a
big log had fallen over it, and the turkey is
more likely than to crawl under and you know, duck
their head and go into the log. And sure enough
the first one came ductor's head went underneath the log.
I had found a nice split, flat looking rock. It
was like perfectly flat on one side, sort of like
you know, disc is shaped on the other side about
six inches across, and I wing that sucker right when
his head came up, I caught his neck between the
rock and the log and took his head off.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: So once he got done, crappie flop and we had
turkey that we had to cook at altitude that took
really way too long. But yeah, the point here being
that even I, an idiotic human born in the twentieth century,
can do something like that with a rock. Of course
bigfoot can do.
Speaker 5: It, right, Yeah, I agree, And I think that you know,
they probably they seem to also, you know, have pretty
pretty efficient hunting. I mean, wolves do the same thing,
so it's not a big stretch. But you know, as
far as having the pushers and the ambushers and stuff
like that, you hear about that quite a bit in
the field too, And that makes sense. I mean, that
stands to reason that they hunt in a pack type
of thing. But yeah, it's just it's amazing the amount
of adaptation and how prolific they are. I mean, this
is there are reports of them moving incredibly fast. The
fastest I've heard of and you'll have to tell me
if this is the same that you've heard, but I've
heard of like forty five miles an hour.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah. I've had two different people on my show
that both had incidents where their vehicles being chased out.
It wasn't content with that, just jumping in it and
feeling out it, decided to make the point and chase
some and both of them reported that they weren't able
to lose it until he hit about fifty miles an hour.
Then they started gaining on it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: You know, I think Cindy mentioned that before too out
here she was, you know, because a couple of times
she was out here in our area looking out. She
said that she was chased out with rocks. They were
throwing rocks at her. But I do believe she said
that they kind of stayed up with her. She felt
that they stayed up with her. She was doing like
thirty five close to forty down roads.
Speaker 5: So wow, great time there's the break. Ladies and gentlemen,
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