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Speaker 5: You're listening to Paranormal Portal on Revolver podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Oh please me A lot lost offn trouble is all

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that I know.

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Speaker 5: She can't leadership, not dance.

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Speaker 4: She with colladiate glass, she's ower, she's older.

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Speaker 5: He Radies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Saturday edition of

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The Paranormal Portal. I'm your host, Brent Thomas, and we

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are live and underway here. This is live and unrehearsed,

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live and unscripted and live and just barely in control

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as far as I can tell. But it is the Portal,

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and you've come to the right place for all the

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paranormal mayhem your body could desire. So welcome to the show, everybody,

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And of course I'm not alone here. I've got to

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my right hand is my good friend and co host,

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mister Don Longbeard.

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Speaker 3: And that's so nice.

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Speaker 6: Flying by the edge of our pants. That's usually how

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we do things around here.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what to say that I'd like

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to think as well planned and well rehearsed, I would

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Speaker 6: Let's let's not confuse us with a professional crew.

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Speaker 5: Well we're professional ish is something like that.

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Speaker 6: But how you doing, buddy, doing good, doing good? The

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weekend is here. I had the day off, and tomorrow

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it's back to the grind.

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Speaker 5: Back to the grind, back to the grind. Oh yeah,

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poor soul.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I mean, life goes on, you know,

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great show. And with all of our friends and have

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a great guest, so it's gonna be good.

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Speaker 5: It is going to be good, and our great guest tonight,

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ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Is uh?

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Speaker 5: Is this this gentleman's first appearance on the portal, But

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he's been around for a while now and taking part

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in the chats and has become a great friend in

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a very short period of time. But it's my great

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pleasure to introduce to you guys, mister Duke Sullivan of

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World Bigfoot Radio. Welcome to the show. Duke.

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Speaker 3: Oh, everybody out there, big sky, howdy from the foggy

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mountains of Montana. I hope everybody's doing great.

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Speaker 5: Ah they are, at least that's what they told me.

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I'm sure they are, and how could they not be

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with a guest like you on the show. And this

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is your first appearance, but it's one that I'm absolutely

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thrilled about because you are one of the people I've

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been listening to for a long time. You know, I

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was listening to you, you know, way back when you

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were over with Wes on Sasquatch Chronicles. I've listened to

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your World Bigfoot Radio and you've just got this amazing

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insight and amazing, you know, in knowledge base regarding these

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really elusive beings. And it's been a great pleasure to

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listen to you. And now it's a great personal pleasure

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to have the opportunity to meet you and to work

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with you. So this is just a dream come true

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for me. Brother.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you know, I don't even know how to respond

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so much attention to it. I try and get the

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best information I can and put it out there, and

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hundred percent of somebody that was potentially going to be

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or even had their facts right, even regardless of if

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Bigfoot for example, I don't know everything there is to

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the high horse and saying, well, I know everything about

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Speaker 5: Right, no, I And you know we've run into that too,

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of course here on the show. And the thing that's

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the people that are you know, and I hate to

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many detractors saying they're absolutely full of garbage, and they're

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you know, they're attacking them, they're degrading them. And this

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is something that's become a real trend in in you know,

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the Bigfoot community for certain, but in a lot of

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believe anymore, because no matter what you decide to look into,

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there's somebody saying, no, that's that's a bunch of bunk.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's active attempts by certain quarters to discredit people

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so they won't you know, actually work together or anything.

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this there were nightmare? Is that really good research? We'll

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start talking to each other instead of fighting with each other,

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guests that we've had on Linda Godfrey, Kat Hansen, you know,

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Robin Moonshadow, you know, even Cindy Goodbreak, you know. And

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something about, you know, we've got to stop you know,

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this infighting and and come to a common you know,

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common consensus about you know, what do we really believe

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is out there? You know, if you don't like my view,

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well then take what you want leave the rest. You know,

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you don't have to agree with me one hundred percent.

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just you know, the cryptic community, it's the paranormal community,

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it's politics, it's all of it, and it's all connected

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in that sense. But we've been talking about the duality

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of it for a long time and and you're you're

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absolutely right. We've got to stop this backstabbing stuff because

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we are our own discreditors. As you said, you know,

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we debunk ourselves, you know, so well we should debunk

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ourselves to a certain point.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: But well there's some stuff that you know, like you're

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talking about like photo evidence and video and stuff. There's

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some stuff that for sure it's fake. There's people in

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a monkey suit or somebody made some kind of a

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prop that looks like a monster and they got a

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picture of it, and it's like no, sure, Well.

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Speaker 6: You know, there are there are those people that just

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information people. You know, they're in everything everything from commercials

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to TV to radio. To just everyday life, you know,

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and you just got to figure out a way around them,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's again what it's it. It is incumbent

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on the listener to do their own research. And this

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applies to everything politics, news, bigfoot, whatever. You've got to

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go check out. I'm sorry, you can't be lazy anymore.

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You've got to go check out the sources if you

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want to believe them. After that, cool, Now you've got

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somebody that you can listen to. If you think they're

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full of it, then you know, you shouldn't waste your

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time listening to them anymore. But ultimately that's the only

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way that you can really get viable information anymore. You've

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got to, you know, check into the people that you're

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getting the information from. You know, see how much of

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it seems to ring truth with what you already know,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Do your own research.

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certain people put a lot of money into their budget

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Speaker 5: Right, very true, very good, very good advice and wise words.

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Speaker 3: Which part of it? I've known cryptids were real since

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nineteen seventy two. I didn't get actively interested in doing

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any research on them until about nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 5: And how did you know they were reel in seventy two?

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Speaker 3: Because I was born the year before. Yeah, I was outsledding.

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weeks before, it had been the all time record cold

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heat wave, let's go sledding, and yeah, I mean seriously,

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Speaker 3: Well, me and one of my friends had decided to

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go back sledding, and we had found this huge, huge

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hill way back in the woods. Unfortunately, was on a

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fire break, and the only reason the fire break didn't

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go any further is because it dead ended in about

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one hundred yard quagmire that they literally couldn't get any

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machinery across to continue making one. So why make it

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go any further. This is as far as it's going

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you could lay on your sled and get across it.

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and walked up to the top of it and went

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there's another huge hill on top of it, and went

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to the top of that one and went, holy bleep,

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there's a huge hill on top of this one. This

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thing is gigantic. This is bigger than the lower ski hill,

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the local ski hill all the kids liked to go to,

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the snowmobiles and everything like, and nobody knows these things

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out here, nobody's been to.

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Speaker 5: This is awesome.

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Speaker 3: So we decided we were going to build this totally

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awesome looge run and you know with the day we

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were out there, like I said, it was it was

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good and cold, but we you know, packed the supers

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got up to ridiculous speed, which would be like about

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halfway down the first of the three hills, you'd actually

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make the turns. Because these hills weren't like lined up

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with each other. You had to turn twice get down

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to the bottom. And it was all wooded. It's all

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you know, it's woods, it's never been shut down. There's

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a giant trees. So you know, we got about three

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around in here, and packed ourselves a trail up to

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the top of the hill and then started building the

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sledding round on that. And I think we're out there

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for like three or four hours, and we got it

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pretty well put together, and then well it's almost dark,

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we need to go back. So that I want to

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say it's a following weekend, but it seems to me

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like it was only a few days later, maybe two

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or three days later. My buddy Dave showed up again

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and went, hey, let's go out and try out the

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sledding run. It's actually got warm and melted once in between,

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which it had, so it's probably nice and hard now

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for loose run. Let's go check it out. So we

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went out there, and we got out there about mid afternoon.

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It was probably about two in the afternoon. And since

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this thing was like super steep and dangerous, there was

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only two of us out there, and the opportunity to

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get wrapped around the tree was very real. We decided

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that even at ten years old, we'd be smart about

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this and only one of us would go down the

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hill at once, and the other one would stand by

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in case we needed medical care. So we tried to

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do a couple slow runs down the hill, and I

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mean like you know, dragging your legs and putting your

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arms out and slowing yourself down, and it was still

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scary fast. And then I was going up for the

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I think it was my third try, and I was

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going to try and go really fast this time down

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the hill. I got up to the top of the

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hill and I had my little runway up there on

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the edge of the cliff that I was looking over going, Man,

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this is gonna be really dangerous, and I noticed that

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something was wrong. I had turned around when I came

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up to the top of the hill to put my

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sled down, and sort of, you know, just by nature

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of having to perform that motion, had scanned the top

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of the hill because my eyeline ran across it. And

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I realized that I put my sled down, that there

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was something wrong. It looked different on the top of

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the hill than the previous time I had been up there.

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So I turned back around and looked again, and I

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still couldn't really figure out what it was, and I

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was going to jump on my sled, and then it

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was like I had this like feeling something was really wrong,

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and I turned around and looked, and the whole top

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of the hill, right in that park before it dropped

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off to go down the backside, which I had never

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seen and probably never will, was mostly all hardwoods, except

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for over on the right hand side there was a

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huge black spruce, and I realized what it caught my

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attention is the black spruce had three trunks on it

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and two of them had hair on it. I well,

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that ain't right. And it had this you know, six

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eight inch long hair that had like little snow dingle

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balls i'll compacted into it and it was kind of

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a grayish white anyway, so it blended in really good,

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and it looked a lot like a gray tree trunk

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with like maybe some snow blown on it and stuff,

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except for the hair thing. And the first thing that

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hit my mind is, well, it's somebody out here with

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the snowmobile pants on, because at that time they actually

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had snowbel pants out on the market. They had like

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fake for the outside. I don't know what they thought

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that was going to do any good insulation wise, but

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there was such a thing, and I was just like,

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oh man, one of the local kids found our trail

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out here, They found our awesome sledding hill. The whole

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thing is ruined. This is terrible, And now they're sitting

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here spying on us and probably getting ready to throw

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snowballs at us or something. So the bottommost branches were

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probably three four feet up, probably closer to me, Yeah,

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three four fet up. So I figured if I looked

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up far enough that i'd see somebody's face peeking through

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the branches at me. So of course I just turned

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my gaze up to about where you know, five six

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feet was. There was nobody's face there, and I'm like huh, well,

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they're just hiding behind the tree. And then I realized

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a little bit higher up there was like rustling, so

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I turned my gaze up a little bit higher, and

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about at the nine foot mark there was this incredibly

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hideous face looking at me though, and it had just

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a second where it had this expression on its face like, oh,

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I'm busted, you know, like the kid with his hand

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caught in the cookie jar, or just like maybe half

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a second flashed across his face, and then he grinned

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at me. And this thing had a really wide mouth,

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you know, its head could like its mouth could swallow basketball.

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And it had teeth that looked like a friggin sharp shark,

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not like you know, giant chicklets like Patty and some

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of the other big foot get described as, you know,

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we got teeth kind of like ours, only giant. This

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thing had nothing like that. It looked like a bear trap.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've since learned that any of the

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higher primates or even monkeys and stuff, if they grin

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at you, it's not hey, I think you're funny, it's

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these are one of the weapons that I'm going to

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use to rip you.

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Speaker 6: The shred very soon copy that commander.

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Speaker 3: Even at the time I had no idea about that,

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not being that much into naturalism or steadying apes or anything,

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but it was quite apparent to me that he wasn't

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inviting me to come over and like play peanuckle with

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them or something. That was quite the vicious grin. And

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this whole thing lasted, you know, much shorter than it

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takes to describe, maybe like a second and a half

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from the time he realized I saw him until he

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gave me the grin. And then my next move was

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dive on the sled and go as fast as humanly

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possible down the hill and care if I hit a

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tree or flew off a super or something. You know,

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still better than being caught by whatever the hell that

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thing was. And as I got about down to the

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midpoint of the hill, my buddy Dave was standing down there,

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and you know, this was supposed to be a high

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speed run, but he was still looking concerned because like, dude,

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you're not dragging your hands or anything.

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Speaker 5: What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: You barely made it round that last super. He had

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this look on his face, and then we saw the

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look on my face, which you know, I can only

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imagine was like, you know, chalky white with bulging eyes.

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He got really concerned when he could see the look

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on my face. And I didn't even slow down as

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it went past him. I just yelled run like hell,

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and apparently he jumped on his sled and was right

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behind me. But you know, I'm amazed that I didn't

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kill myself going down that sledding hill. We did a

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really good job of building it, or just the sledding

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run down would have killed me. But as it was,

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I had so much momentum by the time I hit

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the bottom of the third hill down to where that

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frozen quagmire was. The momentum carried me all the way

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across to the opposite hillside. And that's like almost the

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length of a football field, so you can imagine how

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fast I was going. It was retarded. When Dave got

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down to the bottom of hill, he had to slog

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about two shots across because he wasn't going nearly as

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fast as I was.

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Speaker 5: That's amazing, now, that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, the teeth, you know, and and you know, yeah,

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that would definitely, you know, make me a believer that

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there's something out there and it's shared in the woods

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with you, and it found your spent your hiding spot.

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Speaker 5: You know, now, that is unusual, though, the sharp teeth,

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I'd never heard of that before before this either.

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Speaker 3: It took me a long, long, long time to figure out.

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And I'm still not sure I know what's going on

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with it. But in the area in northern Minnesota and

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up into central Canada, Eastern Canada and some of the

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northern state's main places like that, they almost use the

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word wind to go, And that's like the local name

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for Bigfoot, okay, And some of them have two names

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for bigfoot, which is what put me onto this thing.

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And especially if you go back to the really really

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old reports the Reverend Thomas Gwynard in his book Amongst

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the Tech Dobulet described and this is like in the

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seventeen eighties, what did that tribe say the wind to

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Go was? And their description briefly, and I'm not quoting

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over word because I don't have it memorized sure, is

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that it's a giant, hairy savage who goes naked in

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the woods, is insensitive to temperature variation, and eats indians.

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Speaker 5: Wow. Wow, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And then if you start looking into more of their

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legends over there, you find out that they had wars

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with these damn things where like, you know, it was

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like you or us, we're not living in the same

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territory with you man eating things. You know, it wasn't

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friendly old bigfoot from the West coast that you know

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just wants to take your fish out of your trap

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and slap the side of your house and leave. These

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things are actually like you know, predatory going after people.

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And if you if you go and I looked into

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the legends further north and stuff, and also in Canada,

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apparently there's the same same sub variety where they have

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like the regular bigfoot, and they also have these other

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things that look kind of like bigfoot. We eat people.

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And a lot of the Indian tribes will say that too.

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There's two kinds of bigfoot. Avoid the ones with the

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red eyes. Oh I heard that, but you will of that, yeah.

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And the other thing is that you know, apparently my

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guess is that it's a subarctic carnivore. They're just adapted

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to ice age conditions, which is why they still live

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up in you know, places like Alaska, Northern Canada and stuff.

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Immense area for them to live in plenty of food.

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As long as you can handle the cold, and you're

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gonna eat an almost exclusively meat diet, you can do

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it just fine. That's what the natives do.

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Speaker 5: Sure right. Wow, that is just unreal. That's that. I

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thought i'd heard pretty much everything, But now I know

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that I have it. That is amazing.

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Speaker 3: So's even more interesting now is that the Iroquois Confederation,

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which had like a dozen or more tribes in it,

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we're all throwing the same word around when they were

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talking about this thing, but part of the confederation was

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actually down south that it was, you know, into the

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United States and Middle United States sort of, and those

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tribes were also talking about a thing they called a

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stone giant. Yes, if you ever heard of the stone

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giant at Genoskua, they're legend of Why they're called the

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shining ones of the stone giants is because they were

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covered with stone like hide. Well, if you look closer

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at their legends, they explain exactly how they got this

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stone like hide. It's not growing on them. It's their

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regular bigfoot type critter with long hair, and it actually

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gives a description in more than one of the Indian

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legends where they're talking about it. The Genosco would go

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and rub up against trees until they would have all

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this pine sap resin pitch and stuff built up on

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their fur. And then they'd go roll in gravel and

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crushed rock, which would then adhere to their hide. And

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after several applications of that, guess what they got rock

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armor on them. And your puny little arrows with your

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little rock broadheads on it aren't going to penetrate anymore.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, bad news right now here. Let me

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finish up now, because if you take the of what

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the Genoskua did, there's another tribe that calls this thing

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the stren Do, and they give the same description of it.

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And two of the more northern tribes use the word

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string to interchangeably with whnd to go, So the when

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to go in the Genoskua are the same critter.

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Speaker 5: Hey, okay, And then that's that's all kinds of creepy.

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Of course, the wind to go is no, it's also

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a possessing spirit. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like three different weird things going on there.

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There's the wind to go psychosis, which is somebody gets

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cabin fever and you know they maybe run on a

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food or maybe they just go nuts and decide to

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eat their friends and family, right, and you know, human

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is more yummier than anything else. Very likely they're just possessed.

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Definitely could have something to do with it. And there

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used to be whend to Go hunters in the eighteen

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hundreds that were around the running around Canada killing people

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that were supposedly transforming into wendigoes because they get the

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wind to Go psychosis and start eating their neighbors. And

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then these when to Go killer specialists would go around

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and take them down. So there's that thing, and then

475
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:54,279
there's another thing, which is the supernatural wind to Go

476
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,000
spirit where you think of lead like the fleshless deer

477
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,400
skull with the big antlers on it and the glowing

478
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,640
red eyes, and this giant spectral entity with claws and

479
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,200
blah blah blah eats humans. Again, this could be some

480
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,200
kind of a demon of the north Woods. It could

481
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,640
be the same demon that's causing these people to go insane,

482
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,119
possibly possessing them or making them, you know, somehow having

483
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,279
a mental connection with and making them slaves after they

484
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,000
eat human flesh. Now you're in my world, sucker, you're

485
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,440
working for me sort of thing. There's also possible connection

486
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:28,319
to skin walkers. And then there's another weird thing, which

487
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,680
is that more than one researcher that I know is

488
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:34,359
actually either seen and in the case of Jerry Klein's

489
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,599
buddies working down there in Ohio, they recently got a

490
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,039
game camp picture of a bigfoot that had like a

491
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,400
deer head and part of its hide sitting on top

492
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,039
of its head. Are you yep? So if you got

493
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,160
one of these things, you know, running around, it's like,

494
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,759
you know, decide it wants to make itself a little

495
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:55,200
hat on something else, you could easily mistake that for

496
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:56,759
Oh my god, there's the Wind to Go. You know.

497
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:58,839
It's got this deer antlers on top of its head.

498
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,680
It's like eight feet it's got the glowing red eyes,

499
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,880
you know, and unless you get closer, in which case

500
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,359
you'll never be seen again to report on it, you'll

501
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,279
never be any the wiser about what it is you're

502
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,440
actually looking at.

503
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,319
Speaker 5: Wow, that is all kinds of wild.

504
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,519
Speaker 6: I've heard any of that.

505
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Portal, don Well.

506
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 6: I've heard about, you know, some of the Wind to

507
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Go stuff, but not not that kind of a connection

508
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,640
to Bigfoot, but that's just all crazy.

509
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the wind to go to me is

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,359
kind of it's kind of like become the troop of

511
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,920
Cabra of sorts, because their tup of cabra has about

512
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,480
five different physical descriptions, and people are these.

513
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,079
Speaker 3: Cupid blue tick Texas troop of cabra and then there's

514
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,400
a little reptilian probably synthetically created weird thing or maybe

515
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,119
alien and yeah, I know what you mean.

516
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like the wind to go is taken

517
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,839
on all these different forms too, right, And it's I

518
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,440
don't know if it's just because there's like cannibalism involved

519
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,400
or you know, human human diet involved, I should say, because.

520
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,759
Speaker 3: It's definitely a subject, especially amongst these Northerly tribes because

521
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,039
they had such long winters, that was a real prospect

522
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,920
every year that they would have to worry about running

523
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,559
out of food, being snowed and starving to death. You know,

524
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480
So the specter of the wend Goo loomed large on them.

525
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,759
But just to give you another story, this one's from Minnesota.

526
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,240
There's a place called Wendego Lake and I mentioned this

527
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920
on shows before. It's up in northern Minnesota, and this

528
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,759
is Minnesota, is the land of not ten thousand to

529
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,119
actually thirty thousand lakes. If you fly over it, it's

530
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,079
all water with little strips of land in between it.

531
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

532
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,559
Speaker 3: So there's this one good sized lake there, and by

533
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,240
good size, I mean miles across. That's got a big

534
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,400
island on it, and the island's so big it's got

535
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,720
a lake in the middle of it. In the middle

536
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,720
of that lake, on that island, there's another little island. Now.

537
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,400
Apparently one winter got cold enough that it froze all

538
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160
the way across the big lake, and the wendigo was

539
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,400
making his way across the lake and ended up being

540
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,880
on the island and stuck around too long because there

541
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000
was plenty of game animals over there, and the lake melted,

542
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,599
and he was stuck on the island all summer long.

543
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,279
As a matter of the people that were over there,

544
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,079
and they would go to that island out on the

545
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,680
lake during the course of the summer, and they said

546
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,279
at night they could hear him on the little island

547
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,759
in the little lake on the island, howling and screaming

548
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,680
and making weird noises, and it scared the hell out

549
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,880
of them. So they didn't want to go out there,

550
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,039
and then like two years later it got cold enough

551
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,519
the whole big lake froze over again and that was

552
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,880
the end of the sighting. They never reported any sounds

553
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,079
from him. He wasn't there anymore.

554
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 5: So it doesn't sound like they swim then.

555
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,319
Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of where I'm going with this.

556
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,559
And I've had a lot of other reports of these

557
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:39,279
northern predatory you know, Arctus anthrophagus, cannibalists, horribleiss, whatever you

558
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:43,839
want to call him. You know that there's not one

559
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,920
incident I can think of where they go in the water.

560
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:47,720
I've never heard that. As a matter of fact, I've

561
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,599
heard things to the contrary, where people will just stay

562
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,200
on the opposite side of a river from where their

563
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,880
territory is and they don't have nothing to worry about.

564
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:54,599
Speaker 5: Wow.

565
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: So it could very well be that these things just

566
00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:00,440
literally can't swim. I don't know how mine something to

567
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:04,200
do with their fur or their hair, but you know,

568
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,240
whatever the case is, it seems like they just do

569
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,319
not cross water, so, which is great news. During the

570
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720
warmer months, they ain't going anywhere. During the winter when

571
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,079
everything freezes over, then they got free travel Rosster wherever

572
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,160
they want to go to. And they seem to like

573
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,559
the cold a lot too, so you generally don't you

574
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920
know what, There's been like three reports that I know

575
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,799
of this type that happened in the nineteen seventies out

576
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,640
of the Minnesota and Dakota area. Okay, we're during January,

577
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,160
February cold snaps. Wow, well that thought.

578
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 5: We're going to go to our first break, ladies and gentlemen.

579
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,880
As you can see, it's an epic night here on

580
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640
the portal, So don't go away, get your refreshments, use

581
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,160
the loot, and we'll meet you back here in just

582
00:28:44,200 --> 00:29:33,480
a couple of minutes, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen to

583
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,240
the Paranormal Portal. It's our Saturday edition and we are

584
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,559
just having a phenomenal journey so far tonight, and it's

585
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,039
just begun. We have just cleared the first half hour.

586
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:47,000
The discussion has been absolutely epic, and that's probably because

587
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:51,519
of our special guest tonight, Bigfoot World. Bigfoot Radio's own

588
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Duke Sullivan is joining us here on the show, and

589
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:58,920
this guy is our socks off. Yeah, we're just kind

590
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,359
of here rubbing our temp was going, oh wow, what

591
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680
else can I know, well, I can't wait to hear.

592
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,720
So welcome back, brother, and thank you for being here

593
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:07,359
with us tonight.

594
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,119
Speaker 3: It's been a blast. Guys. You know, the world is

595
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,759
not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we.

596
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:19,799
Speaker 5: Can that's a good point. Stranger than we can imagine. Yeah, absolutely,

597
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,400
I was just noticing I was nearly melting a cable

598
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,480
here in my studio because of my my over zealous

599
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:31,240
use of candles. Alright, so not that that has anything to.

600
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: Do with the show Electronic Equipment loves Hot. Come on,

601
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,519
did you like this?

602
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: Yeah? You did? Oh that's why I don't usually like

603
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:46,160
that one. It's so low. Okay, that explains it all right.

604
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: So anyway you watched me do it studio fires averted.

605
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,839
Speaker 5: I know there's an extra candlelight that I had right

606
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,400
under the cable. Now it explains it, all right.

607
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,559
Speaker 3: Hey. I was the middle of interviewing to a person

608
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,640
one time and my iguana decided to jump on the

609
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,559
desk and knock all my equipment over And that was

610
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:07,559
five minutes.

611
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,279
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh, how big is youer iguana?

612
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, he was about three feet long.

613
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: Oh big size and good size.

614
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: Well, I've had a five before.

615
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,519
Speaker 5: I used to have a Boa constrictor. It was I

616
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,039
really enjoyed having snakes, and I had a California King

617
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,720
and a corn snake as well. It was a lot

618
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:32,960
of fun. But they, you know, I don't know, Life

619
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,519
just moves on. I guess less time for pets now

620
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,960
than I used to have. But well, tonight, ladies and gentlemen,

621
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,240
we are discussing Bigfoot and all things crypted here on

622
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,799
the portal. As you know, Douke has a world of experience,

623
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,119
as you can tell from the first half hour of

624
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:53,119
not only knowledge and information, but experience with a plethora

625
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,559
of of amazing things. Now, you had mentioned that your

626
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,359
first experience was then, but you didn't start investing gating

627
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,440
until much later. So what was what was the activation

628
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,240
for you to begin really investigating and aggressively investigating this.

629
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, it was that one of them showed up

630
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,680
on our yard, oh about five years later, and at

631
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,839
that point I just went, well, you know, staying out

632
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,039
of the woods is not working, So I guess I

633
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,119
need to know more about these damn things because they're

634
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:28,559
going to come up on the yard apparently. So at

635
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,480
that point I got very interested in digging up all

636
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,119
the information that I could, and it's like seventy seven,

637
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,440
so you know, we're talking about like ten years after

638
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,599
the Patterson Gimlin film. There's like in search of and

639
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,200
there's a couple documentaries and like, you know, three or

640
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,839
four people have books out and that's it. There's just

641
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,920
nothing out there. And I'm like, well, great, you guys

642
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,680
are totally not helping. So you know, I had already

643
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440
seen the Patterson Gimblin film and I went like, well,

644
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,839
that looks like it's real to me, but it's completely

645
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,200
different than what I saw. So there's like two kinds

646
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,079
of these damn things running around North America. Apparently there are,

647
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:07,640
you know, because this is as different as looking at

648
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,200
a howler monkey and orangutan. It's obviously not the same animal, right,

649
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,079
So at that point I got really interested in it.

650
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,640
And then much later on the Internet, other researchers started

651
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
talking about there being two kinds down in the South.

652
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,000
And I didn't live in the South for more than about,

653
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,319
you know, six seven years total, so I didn't have

654
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,240
that much time to actually run into more than one

655
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,039
kind or you know, anything like that. So I have

656
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,880
to you know, I have to take it from what

657
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,279
they're telling me. What other people like Kevin who was

658
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,400
on my show and had experiences with what we presume

659
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,279
to be a type one bigfoot up here in Idaho

660
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,279
where you guys are. He's done in Missouri doing research

661
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:49,880
down there, and he spotted a couple of them, and

662
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
he said that they're not the same thing. This must

663
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:56,200
be what they're calling wood burgers. So he's again convinced

664
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,799
that there are two different kinds, and the big foot

665
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,599
all laws are all over this tell you that there's

666
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,359
two different kinds in the South. There's the wood buggers

667
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,640
and then there's the paddy type like from over on

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,880
the Pacific coast, which just makes sense. You know, they

669
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,960
could they can sure move, so if they want to

670
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,280
move somewhere, they could be all over the place. Yeah,

671
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,199
it's going to stop them, right.

672
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: You know when we hear that a lot too, that

673
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,480
they roam quite a bit. They not necessarily migrate, but

674
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:21,800
they just go wherever they want.

675
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: That's yeah. No, I don't think they really do migrate.

676
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,880
I think it kind of depends on the terrain that

677
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,199
they're in, and some terrain per acre doesn't have that

678
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,719
big of a yield of usable food for them. They

679
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,599
have to have a wider range in some areas, Like

680
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,639
over here on the mountain right next to where I'm living,

681
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,880
there's a troop that's up there, you know, year round,

682
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239
the mountains crawling with deer, and there's an elkre that

683
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,119
lives on it. Well, gee, why go anywhere?

684
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, that's probably true. It's like living next to Walmart,

685
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,519
living in Walmart.

686
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,039
Speaker 3: You know, the best part of it is part of

687
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,360
it is the part of it is actually acted to

688
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,320
the Lolo National Forest two point million acres, and another

689
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,760
little piece of it is a thirty five thousand acre

690
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,960
recreational area usable only during the day. So yeah, and

691
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,440
I found plenty of side of them in that recreational area.

692
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: Wow, I can believe that. Yeah. Now, do you suppose

693
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,039
these things might have followed you back from that slending,

694
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,199
because you hear these stories of people saying, look, they

695
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,840
will not only if you see them, they can very

696
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,639
well track you over long distances of terrain to see

697
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,519
you know, to see who you are, and you know,

698
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,039
follow you home. Do you think that might have happened

699
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:36,039
in your.

700
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,519
Speaker 3: Oh, it's certainly possible. It's kind of odd that it

701
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,960
waited like five years later to do it, being that

702
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:42,599
I was only three miles from where I saw it.

703
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: But you know, do you think that's just that that

704
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,079
they've been They probably did it like the very day,

705
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,239
but you just didn't get to see them until then

706
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,119
because they are so good at not being Yeah, but

707
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:53,519
we were.

708
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,559
Speaker 3: We were cruising around the woods near the house all

709
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,400
the time. If anything left tracks around there, we would

710
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,000
have found them. So if they were that a visual

711
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,440
range of the house, we would have oticed it.

712
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 5: Okay, gotcha.

713
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: We were s shooting and bunny shooting all the time,

714
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,639
so we were all over the woods.

715
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:06,599
Speaker 4: Right.

716
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: That's crazy even after that experience, you know, you hear

717
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,960
so many people are absolutely I mean, their whole paradigm

718
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,079
has changed after a sighting, you know, like.

719
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 3: Mine was too. Actually, it was so bad that I

720
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,320
actually had hysterical amnesia and forgot that I had seen it. Wow,

721
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,000
Dave apparently never saw it. It stayed up on top

722
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:26,559
of the hill. He just saw me panic and go

723
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,360
past him. Okay, so he didn't know what caused it,

724
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,039
peculiarly didn't bother to ask me when he got back. Yeah,

725
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480
it could be that because he was like not in

726
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,880
that good as shape and panting trying to catch up

727
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,599
to me that he was like couldn't breathe enough to

728
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:42,719
ask the questions. So it just kind of and then

729
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,159
years later he asked me, and that's it was like

730
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,679
two three years later, and then it popped back into

731
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,599
my memory what had happened. I was really mad at

732
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:54,079
him because he made me remember, and during that time

733
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,039
period and the two years in between that I didn't

734
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,519
remember it had happened. I looked back on it after

735
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,719
that went well, yeah, I kind of really haven't gone

736
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,639
very far out in the woods for the last couple years,

737
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,159
and that's literally probably not more than a couple hundred

738
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,679
yards from the house in those two years. Even though

739
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,440
I didn't, like in my conscious mind remember what had happened,

740
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,800
my subconscious was telling me, apparently you don't go any further.

741
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: Wow.

742
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: And it's kind of weird that it didn't register on

743
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,599
my parents because even after I remembered it, then I

744
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,079
didn't want to go in the woods at all.

745
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no no no.

746
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: Then I'm twelve years old, I remember I had this

747
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,239
sighting I'm not going in the woods at all. And

748
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,079
I never brought it up to my parents or anything.

749
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,840
And it's kind of bizarre that they never It's like

750
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,559
they didn't even notice it. You know. I go from

751
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,000
like practically living in the woods to never setting foot

752
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:41,159
in it.

753
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty big change in behavior.

754
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for somebody that's like really into hunting and

755
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,199
snowshoeing and all that kind of stuff. And I had

756
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,199
like fifteen plus guns, you know, like, why wouldn't I

757
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,639
be out there shooting? Sure, you know, never registered apparently.

758
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,800
That just kind of still boggles my mind to this day.

759
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,360
But then after the one came up on yard, and

760
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,320
this is during the summer, and the whole situation is

761
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,760
just so weird and counterintuitive. It still doesn't make any

762
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,159
sense to me. The more I know about big with,

763
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,079
the less sense it makes. Right, Because there was like

764
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,639
a huge gathering going on at my folks house. They

765
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,559
had like during the entire time I was a kid,

766
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,239
like maybe three gatherings where they had relatives over or

767
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,960
something and they'd have a few beers and turn some

768
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,440
music on. And this was like some local function Lions

769
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,800
Club or something or whatever, and they were having something there.

770
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360
So we had a driveway about, you know, seventy five

771
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,760
yards long, and both sides of it, all the way

772
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,559
down to the road were parked with cars, and there

773
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:36,960
were some out on the road too, So we had

774
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,239
the places back, all kinds of noise. Inside of the

775
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,119
house stall lit up. There's a ton of people in there,

776
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,360
and you know, is this an ideal situation to come

777
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,159
sneak up on the house. Seriously, that's a perfect time. Yeah,

778
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,760
you know, And you've got miles of nice quiet woods around.

779
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,320
You don't need to be anywhere near this house, which

780
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,760
has a shooting range right behind it and routinely blow

781
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,199
away bears that are getting into our garbage bin and whatnot.

782
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's craziness. So now you had mentioned two

783
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,880
types and now I've heard four types. What's going on there?

784
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Where's the distinction between the two schools of thought there?

785
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 3: Well, I just you know, after I got more information

786
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440
what these guys down south we're seeing, I adopted, you know,

787
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,199
and I think West is pretty much adopted the same

788
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,880
sort of thing too, if he's got the if he's

789
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
still doing that, because he's one of the guys that

790
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:32,679
mentioned it early on Big Wood All has mentioned it

791
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,559
early on. And there's a bunch of people that have

792
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,239
this classification system that usually pretty much don't agree with

793
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,039
each other on what each thing is. Okay, yeah, my

794
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,960
classification system. A type one is your patty Type A.

795
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,079
Type two is your Southern wood booger. Type A type

796
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:50,119
three is a thing gets confused for dog man but

797
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,400
doesn't have the the hawks. It doesn't have the reverse

798
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,880
looking legs like a dog does with it's trying to

799
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,840
stand up on two feet. Sure it's got that joint

800
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,639
looking thing it's actually ankle, but you know, to us

801
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,239
it looks like there's an extra but you know, they

802
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,360
don't have that. They got legs like a bigfoot or something.

803
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,559
The only thing that's not bigfoot light is they got

804
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,920
a short snout on them. And these are the things

805
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,119
that the Mick Matt Confederation in the Upper East Coast

806
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,599
had termed a gugwee. And again they had several things

807
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,079
in their legends about what was actually running around the woods,

808
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,119
and this again was something that's like didn't seem to

809
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:28,639
conform to a wind to go. They had wind to

810
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:30,599
Go legends in the same area. Why they have a

811
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,079
different name for it. They also had a regular name

812
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,199
for bigfoot, wasn't that either. And then I started looking

813
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,199
around some of these other tribes and lo and behold,

814
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,840
some of them also had this extra word for some

815
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,639
kind of a monster thing. And if you got the description,

816
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,760
that's what they were describing it. Like northern Minnesota and

817
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,559
up into Canada from there, the local tribes are calling

818
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,320
it a tug awe, which is very similar to gugwee

819
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,360
if you'll notice, like fifteen hundred two thousand miles further west,

820
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,639
and then you know the face heaters and up in

821
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,039
central Canada, and the law enforcement guys get calls on

822
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,559
these things, they call them the bear man. So they've

823
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,360
got their own local name that they have for him

824
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,079
up there. They calls on him off and enough. Blaine

825
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,559
Tyler that does research up there in Ontario, he has

826
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,119
both kinds in his area, has the type threes and

827
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,960
the regular type one bigfoot, and he doesn't like the

828
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,039
type threes at all. They're way too aggressive. You know,

829
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,480
if he goes into an area where's regular bigfoot, the

830
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,239
bigfoot will just try and get away from him. They'll

831
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480
sneak further back in the woods, they might peak. So

832
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,480
he's lucky enough to get a shot him occasionally, but

833
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,159
that's you know, that's it. These other things will actually

834
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,199
like follow you and come toward you when you go,

835
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,199
And I said, yeah, especially during the winter. They're known

836
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,400
to be you know, like scavengers, and they'll lead fresh

837
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,480
meat too, and they work in groups, so don't give

838
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:52,000
him any chance to get any ideas. So yeah, those

839
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:56,199
things are generally more feared than regular bigfoot, you know,

840
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,360
the legends of Bigfoot. If you kind of leave him alone,

841
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
he'll leave you alone sort of thing. These things are

842
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,159
more like having a pack of hungry baboons following you around.

843
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:05,000
You don't know what they're up to.

844
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, none of it's good.

845
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're probably thinking that you look yabby, and

846
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,800
can they they've got enough thought process to actually think

847
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,320
it out and go, Can I get away with nabbing

848
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400
this lone guy? Is there anybody following up? Probably far

849
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,920
enough that I screw up? Nobody can hear him screen.

850
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,679
Speaker 5: Right, And you know you said you mentioned the stone apes.

851
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Now that that really shows quite a bit of reasoning

852
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,880
and logic. I mean, that's a pretty brilliant move. And

853
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,719
you know you wouldn't necessarily attribute that kind of thought

854
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,360
process to these beings. But apparently they are pretty brilliant then, huh.

855
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,079
Speaker 3: Well in their own way. I mean, they don't understand

856
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,239
technology or anything like we do because we made that

857
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,480
because we need the crutch. They don't. They've got the

858
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,199
physical capability to live without it, including fire. Are they smart, Yeah,

859
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,639
they're very smart. Can they reason? Can they figure things out?

860
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,199
I have plenty of reports of them opening doors, going

861
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,639
in houses. They can figure out how to do all

862
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,840
that kind of stuff. It's no big deal. They just

863
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,760
don't because it's not good because if you think about

864
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,639
their size, all of a sudden, they're in this teeny

865
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,719
restricted space, but they don't know what's in there, what

866
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,119
potential traps or hazards there are. So that's why generally

867
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:17,440
you don't have that kind of stuff unless you got

868
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000
some enraged squad you wants to rip your cabin down

869
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,519
because he's mad at you or something. You don't get

870
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,519
that kind of thing happening. You know, generally they'll turn

871
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,280
the cabin down when you're not there because they don't

872
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,800
want the direct conflict. They don't want to take a

873
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,280
chance on getting hurt. Sure, but as far as that goes, yeah,

874
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,519
it's also interesting to note that even though the name

875
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,599
Jenoskua is still used in some cases interchangeably with regular bigfoot,

876
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,000
where apparently some people haven't bothered to do the research.

877
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:46,960
If you go back in time when they got the

878
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,119
name of the stone coats and the shining ones and

879
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,400
all this stuff with them having this rock like hide.

880
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:56,599
That was during the latter period of when the Indians

881
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:59,559
were running everything, you know, the Native Americans, and mostly

882
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,360
there were any colonists in the area. You had a

883
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,360
few French fur trappers, and then after that you had

884
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,519
a few bloggers and the voyagers and all those kind

885
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,000
of guys, but there's few and far between. When you

886
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,960
started getting a general influx of white people, that made

887
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:18,280
flintlock weaponry available to the natives. Sure, and what would

888
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
be the first thing you would do with flintlock weaponry?

889
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,079
You had these neighbors as a problem. Yeah, yeah, your

890
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,920
your rock armor isn't going to save you from this, buddy.

891
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,039
We may be able to ping off little stone tipped

892
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,199
arrows off all day long, that won't hurt you, But

893
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,519
when you get shot with a sixty nine caliber musket

894
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,000
that's going right through your outer rock hide and blowing

895
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:38,880
a hole through your back.

896
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's true.

897
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: So after basically, what I'm saying is after that period,

898
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,760
when that when this colonization started, you know, getting robust,

899
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,079
and there was enough white people around actually started having

900
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,760
connections with the local natives and getting in these kind

901
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,119
of information from there, weren't any reports of these guys anymore.

902
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,519
Speaker 5: Right, they realized a few of the practice because yeah, which.

903
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,039
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they don't still do it. It's potentially.

904
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,239
I can see several upsides to this, in addition to

905
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,400
being like, you know, more impervious to damage thing, and

906
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:14,960
one being that there's legends that these things like to

907
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:19,320
live in high mountains when available above the tree line

908
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,599
and rocky talus slopes and big rock fields. Now, think

909
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,599
about it for a minute. Mountain goats got trails to

910
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:28,440
go across this rock field. You got rocks all over

911
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,079
you see, you look like a pile of rock. You

912
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,239
can lay right next to this trail until one comes,

913
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,599
walk and pass and just gravel.

914
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,039
Speaker 5: Oh geez right, good point. Yeah, yeah, and then.

915
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: They're interesting and scary. Point on this whole subject, before

916
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,679
I forget about it, is Dave Polighti's missing flour one one. Yeah,

917
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,480
one are the three areas where people most frequently go missing.

918
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,559
One isn't Berry patches, specifically Huckleberry being number one. Who

919
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,400
isn't swamps? And what's number three?

920
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,559
Speaker 5: Rocky slopes, the stonefieldsymp exactly. In fact, they usually if

921
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,079
they find people, they there's a lot of people that

922
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,079
are eventually found and they're found crushed on those stone

923
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,639
slopes or whatever, like they had been lopped down.

924
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 3: Yep. Now we had one of those here a few

925
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,119
years ago in the Bitter d Valley. One of the locals,

926
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,079
according to the police, had fallen to his death while

927
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,400
trying to free climb. And we didn't buy that. I

928
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,159
got a hold of Kelly Shaw. He came out here

929
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,000
and actually did the investigation on it and talked to

930
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,280
the next to kin and they said that every regard

931
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,719
the newspaper press release issued by the police was completely false. Oh,

932
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,119
this kid had lived here all of his life. He

933
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,280
was a hiker and a runner. He never did any

934
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,480
free climbing. He wouldn't think about free climbing by himself

935
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:41,599
for the first time. That's just insane. He knew better.

936
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,119
He didn't have any free climbing equipment that he left

937
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,119
in his car, like the cops claimed, he didn't have

938
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,480
any free climbing equipment.

939
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, so it was just a convenient press release.

940
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he fell to his death. That's why

941
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,639
he was mangled at the base of this big rocky slope.

942
00:46:59,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

943
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 3: Two days later, another guy went missing and they didn't

944
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,840
find him. This was four miles away from him, And

945
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,280
they didn't find this guy's remains for almost two weeks.

946
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,679
And they were out there with helicopters, they had rescue

947
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,639
dog teams, they had all the local you know, sheriffs, detectives,

948
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,480
all those guys out there looking for him. They couldn't

949
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:21,159
find him. His truck was there, door open, No guy there.

950
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,599
Dogs can't find a blood trail. So like, what if

951
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:27,280
a predator would have killed him, there would have been

952
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,639
some evidence of it. They would have had to pick

953
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,760
him up. Then they would have found the predator's smell

954
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,159
and there would have been a trail, nothing, no evidence.

955
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Two weeks later, corps finding dogs find his remains two

956
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,039
miles away on an extremely steep wooded slope, torn into pieces.

957
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 5: Oh my god. Oh yeah, that's freaky. That's freaky freaky stuff,

958
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,320
you know, And that. I guess what that that does

959
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,519
to me is, you know, some people like to consider

960
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,320
that that you know, these are just the simple forest

961
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,400
dwellers and they're peaceful. But like you're saying, there's several

962
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,559
different types, and some of them we're on the menu.

963
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 3: And the other thing is that you can't really throw

964
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,400
blanket statements over any of them. In general, the type

965
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,960
ones are the least aggressive. That doesn't mean you couldn't

966
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,480
get mashed by one. You're in the wrong place at

967
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,920
the wrong time, you do something dumb, you panic, you

968
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,960
shoot them before you think about it. Oh God, you're

969
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
in trouble now, right cray, he decides to run away

970
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,719
and doesn't just attack, or you know, you're like too

971
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,960
close to where there's a mama and some squatch lits

972
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,840
and daddy comes up on it and goes, oh, I'm

973
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,800
just gonna throw a log at him, oh man or

974
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,320
a boulder.

975
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. We just covered a story last night. It

976
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,320
was I think it was out of the twenties or

977
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,079
thirties of this rodeo hand who went up north with

978
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,599
a couple other the native rodeo hands. They were hunting

979
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,440
for their winter meat, and they ended up camping in

980
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,519
this place, way out in the woods, in the sticks,

981
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,800
and they were in British Columbia. And the guy said

982
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,159
that there were basketball and beach ball sized boulders that

983
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:06,079
were thrown over a fifty foot creek and accurately hitting

984
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:10,599
their tents and stuff, and the strength is just unbelievable.

985
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: So clearly that tells you there was a last vestiage

986
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,400
of the Roman legionaires that got hopelessly lost, and the

987
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,920
artillery is still there. Were using their catapult skills, getting

988
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,960
a little practice in while they had the opportunity. Or

989
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:27,000
it could be boulder grizzlies. Maybe a boulder grizzly. No, seriously,

990
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:27,880
come on, you guys.

991
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds legit, I think.

992
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,039
Speaker 3: No, Actually, that's I like to make fun of that

993
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,800
because some of the stuff that you know, people that

994
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,760
aren't paying attention jump to to rationalize these you know,

995
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,400
mental leaps that protect their little world from collapsing like

996
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,480
a house of cards, are just so much more far

997
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,320
fetched than the possibility that hey, maybe Bigfoot did that.

998
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 5: It's just hilarious, right it is, and you're right, you're

999
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,920
absolutely right. And then the lengths that they go to

1000
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,199
to throw normal uh, normal events and put them in

1001
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,280
some kind of ridiculous chain in order to make it

1002
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:10,480
seem like it's perhaps plausible. It's just ridiculous. I mean,

1003
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,679
it's just easier to go, hey, there's something out here

1004
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,800
that can throw rocks, and we don't know what it is,

1005
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,559
but it's out here. I mean, that's you know, right,

1006
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:21,639
there's just these other ideas and it just goes down

1007
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,599
ridiculousness to protect protect a paradigm.

1008
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: But I don't know's there's some areas that I've heard of,

1009
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,400
like over on the other side of the bitter Roots

1010
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,800
from here. You know, anybody that's driving around of four

1011
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,320
wheel ATVs or mountain mountain bikes or any of that, well,

1012
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,039
the motorized ones seem to really attract their attention, but

1013
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,960
they get rocks thrown at them, but they they keep

1014
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,960
doing it. It's like, you know, let's run the Godlet

1015
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,440
I don't know what's throwing those rocks at us, but

1016
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,159
they've missed so far. Go fast.

1017
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Well, I think I personally think that they

1018
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,400
must use rocks as a hunting tech. And I think

1019
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,400
I've heard other researchers say this, but I actually had

1020
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,599
the idea on my own, and then I found out

1021
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,440
that other researchers were saying the same thing. Do you

1022
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:10,800
do you subscribe to that idea that they are actually

1023
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,239
very very precise rock throwers.

1024
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't take all that much practice to get

1025
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:17,920
good at it. And what else have they got to

1026
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,920
throw logs or rocks? Man, They're going to get good

1027
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,360
at both of them, right, Yeah, you know, we've got

1028
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,199
video of bigfoot hucking like a twelve foot tree thinker

1029
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,079
Thucker did a breakdown on that. They've got other you know,

1030
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,840
stuff that indicates that they do throw logs, they do

1031
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,239
throw rocks. So that's pretty much, you know, more or

1032
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,119
less case closed on that one in the Bigfoot community.

1033
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,480
So yeah, you know, definitely. Let me give you an example.

1034
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,119
When I was a kid, like I said, I had

1035
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,639
a lot of guns and stuff. That was during the

1036
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:51,199
Bicentennial in nineteen seventy six, and I was a part

1037
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,719
of a black powder gun club. So we go do

1038
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,800
the marches and parades where we'd all lot of our

1039
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,679
buckskins and all that kind of stuff. Man, the black

1040
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,880
powder shoots and one of the things that we did

1041
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,320
it was Tomahawk, a knife thrown competition, which I really

1042
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,440
got into and I won a bunch of trophies at it.

1043
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,280
And so later on nineteen eighty, me and my cousin

1044
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,239
were out in the Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming and

1045
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,880
ran out of food because we were stupid and we

1046
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,119
didn't have any other way to go gather anything with

1047
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,199
us except for to take a buck knife and tie

1048
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,800
it onto a stick and try and make a spear

1049
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,119
out of it. So we saw a herd of turkeys

1050
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:31,679
and we decided to chase them around. Yeah, that didn't

1051
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,519
work out very well. They could stay ahead of us

1052
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:35,800
until they got up to the balld top of this

1053
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,920
mountain and they started following this trail that sort of

1054
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,119
stayed at the same level, it didn't go up or down.

1055
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,159
And we got about like a third of the way

1056
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,159
around the mountain. My cousin goes, I bet this thing

1057
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,320
goes all the way around the mountain, and I went, yeah,

1058
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,039
I bet you're right, and he said, go back and

1059
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,400
sit next to a good spot. I'll just keep going.

1060
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,400
I'll chase them right around to you. And I'm like, okay.

1061
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:58,880
So I found this spot on the trail where a

1062
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920
big log had fallen over it, and the turkey is

1063
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,320
more likely than to crawl under and you know, duck

1064
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,199
their head and go into the log. And sure enough

1065
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,480
the first one came ductor's head went underneath the log.

1066
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,400
I had found a nice split, flat looking rock. It

1067
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:14,400
was like perfectly flat on one side, sort of like

1068
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,440
you know, disc is shaped on the other side about

1069
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,679
six inches across, and I wing that sucker right when

1070
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,920
his head came up, I caught his neck between the

1071
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:23,519
rock and the log and took his head off.

1072
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 5: Wow.

1073
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: So once he got done, crappie flop and we had

1074
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,960
turkey that we had to cook at altitude that took

1075
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:32,960
really way too long. But yeah, the point here being

1076
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:36,280
that even I, an idiotic human born in the twentieth century,

1077
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,320
can do something like that with a rock. Of course

1078
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,280
bigfoot can do.

1079
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 5: It, right, Yeah, I agree, And I think that you know,

1080
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,119
they probably they seem to also, you know, have pretty

1081
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,719
pretty efficient hunting. I mean, wolves do the same thing,

1082
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,880
so it's not a big stretch. But you know, as

1083
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,280
far as having the pushers and the ambushers and stuff

1084
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,480
like that, you hear about that quite a bit in

1085
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:00,239
the field too, And that makes sense. I mean, that

1086
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:03,519
stands to reason that they hunt in a pack type

1087
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:09,440
of thing. But yeah, it's just it's amazing the amount

1088
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,800
of adaptation and how prolific they are. I mean, this

1089
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,320
is there are reports of them moving incredibly fast. The

1090
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,239
fastest I've heard of and you'll have to tell me

1091
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,679
if this is the same that you've heard, but I've

1092
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,239
heard of like forty five miles an hour.

1093
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,159
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah. I've had two different people on my show

1094
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,440
that both had incidents where their vehicles being chased out.

1095
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,719
It wasn't content with that, just jumping in it and

1096
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,760
feeling out it, decided to make the point and chase

1097
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,000
some and both of them reported that they weren't able

1098
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,159
to lose it until he hit about fifty miles an hour.

1099
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Then they started gaining on it.

1100
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:41,679
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1101
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 6: You know, I think Cindy mentioned that before too out

1102
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:47,159
here she was, you know, because a couple of times

1103
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,199
she was out here in our area looking out. She

1104
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,880
said that she was chased out with rocks. They were

1105
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,480
throwing rocks at her. But I do believe she said

1106
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,880
that they kind of stayed up with her. She felt

1107
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,639
that they stayed up with her. She was doing like

1108
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,239
thirty five close to forty down roads.

1109
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 5: So wow, great time there's the break. Ladies and gentlemen,

1110
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,599
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