1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,120 So excited to have Ben Shapiro with us, who barely 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,919 needs introduction as an enormously popular podcaster of The Ben 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,039 Shapiro Show, co founder of one of our favorite organizations, 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,239 The Daily Wire, and best selling author many times over. 6 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:22,920 And he's got a new book, Lions and Scavengers. It's 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,679 available now, and that describes the two sides of the 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,760 battle for America's future. Spoiler alert, The lions are the 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,039 good guys. So the conclusion of this book, Ben, thank 10 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,799 you for being with us. Was written right after Trump 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,960 had been inaugurated, and you had written at the end 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,640 that the lions are awake. And so now that some 13 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:50,399 time has passed, I wanted to check in and see 14 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:52,439 if you still feel that way today. 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: I do. 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: I think that the American people are done with the 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,759 sort of grievance mentality they characterized America for a fairly 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,840 period of time. I don't think that it's completely gone. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,840 I mean, I think that there's always the possibility that 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,879 it will come back. And that's the danger of politics, 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,719 is that these sort of grievance based politics, in which 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,040 people believe that all the problems in their life are 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,159 the fault of shadowy systems, and thus we have to 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,159 wreck the actual systems that matter, things like private property 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,840 or free speech, or rule of law or traditional virtue 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,359 that those people are still there. And this is why 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,000 one of the things that I've said for months and 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,400 months and months that the biggest danger to the rise 29 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:30,959 of the Lions is a sinking economy. If the economy 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,959 starts to go the wrong way, then you're going to 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,719 see a revival of grievance culture that's going to be 32 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:38,159 extremely strong. And so I'm very kind of worried about 33 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:40,439 where the economy goes. But I will say that that 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,280 obviously President Trump's victory represents not just obviously his singular 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,560 domination of American politics, but also the fact that the 36 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:49,519 American people were just tired of what it was that 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,840 the scavengers were offering, which is this never ending litany 38 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:55,640 of complaints about how horrible the United States is and 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,840 the belief that you're not responsible for the decisions in 40 00:01:57,879 --> 00:01:58,480 your own life. 41 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the victim mentality is really it's been huge. 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,319 We've been doing, like we were saying before we went on, 43 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,840 We've been doing this for sixteen seventeen years, and you've 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,120 been around for a while too, and you understand that 45 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:11,960 ebbs and flows, and you have children like we do. 46 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:14,439 And I think that we're seeing, at least we talk 47 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:16,560 about a lot on our show, we're seeing a trend 48 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,199 towards conservatism, and you know, like I think the values 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,919 that we hold, like the conservative values with gen Z 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,319 and the Alphas, I think is. 51 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:26,039 Speaker 5: What they call them. 52 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,039 Speaker 3: Do you think that there are a lot of lions 53 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:33,000 in those the new generation, like the younger generation. 54 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:33,719 Speaker 4: I do. 55 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: I think that there are a lot of people who 56 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:38,080 would have been quote unquote moderate in prior years, and 57 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,800 I think that, let's put it this way, people who 58 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,599 are sort of center or right leaning are significantly harder 59 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,680 right than they otherwise would have been. I won't say 60 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:46,599 that's the majority of young people, because that's not what 61 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:48,919 the poles tend to show, but I will say that 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,759 is certainly where a lot of the energy is, and 63 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:56,159 that the kind of trend toward more religious behavior, toward marriage, 64 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:59,240 toward kids is extremely strong, particularly with gen Z men. 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,319 Speaker 4: I think that that gen Z women are some of 66 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:02,879 them are doing that. 67 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: But I think that among men, particularly who feel like 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,199 they've been cut out of the loop, who feel as 69 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,479 though they've been sort of robbed of their initiative. There 70 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,240 is a move back toward traditionalism that is pretty astounding 71 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:12,520 to watch. 72 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,879 Speaker 5: Actually, that's good news for my fifteen year old daughter. 73 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Well and you, I mean, in the book you talk 74 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:23,639 about like the connection between lions and that mentality and meritocracy. 75 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,919 Do you think that the reason that some of that 76 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,240 shift for especially young men to lean more conservative now 77 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:35,919 is because there has been this pull away from meritocracy 78 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,680 as an ideology amongst I mean, there's been the pendulum 79 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:42,000 swung so far. So do you think that some of 80 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:45,000 the reason that there are men coming back to or 81 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:49,719 just you know, newly becoming engaged in conservatism is because 82 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:51,840 that pendulum went so frickin woke? 83 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,759 Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. I mean I think that that's really enervating. 84 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:57,000 I mean it really makes people feel horrible about themselves 85 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:58,719 when you feel like, no matter what you do, the 86 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:00,800 system is telling you you can't say seed. And when 87 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,120 people instead say, hey, actually you can succeed. It's a 88 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:05,240 free country, Get off your ass and do something useful today, 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,560 that is a much better and more inspiring message. And 90 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:10,319 I think that young men are actually picking up on 91 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,680 that in fairly large numbers. I do think that the 92 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,120 woke left wents so extreme in its pursuit of wiping 93 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,800 away masculinity in particular, that you can certainly say that 94 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,120 the movement toward conservatism, particularly among young people and toward Trump, 95 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,040 is led by men. 96 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: I mean that there are more young women who are 97 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,920 voting for Trump. 98 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: That did happen between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, 99 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:34,240 but the shift among young men was pretty astounding, and 100 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,879 I think a large part of that was a direct 101 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:38,160 response to the idea that there's no place for men 102 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,000 in society, that masculinity is dead. That basically what we 103 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,560 need is for men to stop being quite so aggressive 104 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,759 and so masculine. And I think a lot of guys said, 105 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:47,680 you know, I'm not in for this. I would much 106 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:49,720 rather be able to make the most of my God 107 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,480 given abilities. 108 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 109 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:54,079 Speaker 3: Whenever we see like one side do one thing, I 110 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:56,439 feel like the other side does that thing too. So 111 00:04:56,519 --> 00:04:59,480 like we're seeing the woke left, and I know, the 112 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,519 pendulum swinging, but we're also seeing the woke right, which 113 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 is so disturbing and weird to us. So we're seeing 114 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,079 a lot of anti Israel sentiment on our side. We 115 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,079 talk about that a lot on our show. We feel 116 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,839 very alone sometimes. 117 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: Talking about that. 118 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,199 Speaker 5: It's I don't we don't get it. We just don't 119 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:18,480 get it, Ben. So we want to know what. 120 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:21,879 Speaker 3: Your thoughts are on all this this anti Israel sentiment, 121 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:23,319 because I saw a stat the other day. 122 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: I want to make sure you get this right. 123 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,439 Speaker 3: There's been an almost nine hundred percent increase in anti 124 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:31,920 Semitic incidents over the past decade alone. And I just 125 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,560 I mean, we see it from people that we used 126 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,759 to really love and respect. What the hell is going on? Like, 127 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,959 what what's going on? 128 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,199 Speaker 2: So I do think that there is a grievance culture 129 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:43,199 that has arisen on the right. So I think that 130 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,279 the grievance culture, that the kind of woke culture that 131 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,279 arose on the left was this idea that America is 132 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,120 a white supremacist structure and that people who are suffering 133 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:52,439 under that structure are the victims of a shadowy system. 134 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:55,240 That shadowy system, you know, is being run by the 135 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,279 people who are disproportionately well educated and rich. And hey, 136 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,959 look's overrepresented among people who are well educated and rich. 137 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,240 It tends to there are a lot of Jews in 138 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,600 that group, and so it must be that the Jews 139 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:05,759 are manipulating the system. I think a lot of the 140 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:07,920 anti Semitism of the left comes from there. I think 141 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:09,959 you're seeing a sort of mirror image of that on 142 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,560 the right, where people who start with a premise, which 143 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,639 is that much public policy was directed against particularly white 144 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,399 Christian males, which is true during the Obama administration and 145 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,600 the Biden administration, they then take that and they say, Okay, well, 146 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,519 we are also a sort of discrete, insular group that 147 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:27,319 is being attacked. The system won't allow us to succeed. 148 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:30,439 And the solution for that isn't meritocracy. The solution is 149 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:32,639 to say that America is in and of itself bad, 150 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,439 the systems are out to get us, and who are 151 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,600 the beneficiaries of the system, And you end up in 152 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:38,959 almost exactly the same place. 153 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,319 Speaker 4: And so I think there are some of that. 154 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:43,319 Speaker 2: I also think that there are influencers who have basically 155 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,399 decided that there's a lot of clickability to this particular issue, 156 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:51,319 to Jews, to Israel on X in particular, and a 157 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:53,120 lot of the floodgates have been open. It's a great 158 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,920 way to go viral like a really great way to 159 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,920 go viral. And there's no question that there are bot 160 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,519 farms that are exacerbating all of that. 161 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: But it's not all fake. But I do that it 162 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:00,920 can be. 163 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: It can move from the virtual world to the real 164 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:06,560 world fairly quickly. I also think that one of the 165 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,680 things that's happened is that because the Right for so 166 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:13,160 long was told you can't say X. The Overton window 167 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,160 is really really small, that basically the Right responded by 168 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,360 blowing up the Overton window entirely and said, Okay, well, 169 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:20,319 now everything is on the table, and so if everything 170 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,920 is on the table, then whatever is the most transgressive 171 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:24,920 thing must be the most true thing. So that the 172 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,560 Right kind of combined a couple of propositions. One was 173 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,560 that if you're taking flat, it's because you're over the target, 174 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,160 which used to be more true and is not necessarily 175 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:34,839 true now. And so if I say something and I 176 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:36,199 get a lot of blowback, it must be because what 177 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,560 I'm saying is super true. And so if I say 178 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,600 something that actually is kind of disgusting and a lot 179 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,439 of people are criticizing me for it, well it's not 180 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,879 because what I'm saying is disgusting. It's because what I'm 181 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,279 saying is actually true. And also the right then over 182 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,399 read sort of what cancel culture is into. You're not 183 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:54,079 allowed to even condemn bad speech, and anybody who condemns 184 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,560 things that are bad is in fact a sensor. So 185 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,759 if you combine the idea that criticizing Nazis is a 186 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,560 form of censorship, and also that the more flack you take, 187 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,759 the more over the target you are, you end up with, 188 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Nazis might be the good guys, right, because Nazis take 189 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,839 a lot of flak. And also if you criticize a Nazi, 190 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:13,279 this makes you a sensor, right, And so there is 191 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,000 a sort of thrill of transgression in a lot of that, 192 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:19,079 and anybody who criticizes that is then seen as sort 193 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,639 of a school marm who's not allowing you to quote 194 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,000 unquote ask the questions. Now, as I've said before, you 195 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,600 can ask whatever question you want, but honest people ask 196 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,639 questions to elicit answers. They don't ask questions in order 197 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:32,879 to avoid answers or deposit specious theories about how you 198 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:35,000 can't control your own life. And there's a shadowy force 199 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,360 that's behind the scenes manipulating all events. 200 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,639 Speaker 1: It's got to be really really, I mean personally disappointing 201 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,639 to you, I would think, because you know, we watch 202 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,720 sort of this new woke right from a distance, where 203 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,919 these are people we've long admired, but these are people 204 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,200 that were your friends, and so how do you reconcile 205 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,399 their huge transformations because they have transformed? I mean, there 206 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,440 are people we deeply respected who we don't even recognize anymore. 207 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly disappointing, and I don't think that 208 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,279 it's happened over the course the last couple of years. 209 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:09,279 There are people with whom I was friends ten years 210 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:10,840 ago who were doing some of this sort of stuff. 211 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,559 But you know, again, I think that all you can 212 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,519 do is hold to your values and then just recognize 213 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,840 that that some people have strayed from what you at 214 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:19,720 least thought their values were, or maybe you got them 215 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,639 wrong all along. It's very difficult to tell. But obviously 216 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:25,559 the ground is moving, particularly online space. That the thing 217 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,679 I keep reminding myself and that I remind all my 218 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,080 listeners is that if you actually go out and touch grass, 219 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,399 it's significantly less prevalent when you actually speak to normal 220 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,600 human beings than it is in the online world, that 221 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,440 the problem is that when I talk about the bleedover, 222 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,320 that is particularly among young men who spend a lot 223 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,919 of time online. So like fifteen year old boys who 224 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:44,159 spend a lot of time online can get drawn into 225 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,399 this stuff, and then it bleeds over into your actual 226 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,279 real life and you start finding common cause with people 227 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:53,159 who are also saying the rebellious transgressive thing, and you know, 228 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,679 then it becomes like a real problem. But I think 229 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,120 that overall, and this is what the polls show, that 230 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,080 the American people are overwhelmingly not anti Semitic, they're quite 231 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,279 philo Semitic. That the American people are overwhelmingly pro Israel. 232 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,720 That the right wing, particularly Republicans, are overwhelmingly pro Israel. 233 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,399 We kept being told by the media and by the 234 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,399 online influencer crowd that the same brigade you're talking about, 235 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 and when President Trump bombed the Iranian nuclear facilities, this 236 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,000 is going to rip apart the conservative movement. It was 237 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,399 going to lead to a complete collapse in in Trump's 238 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:23,559 support base. And it turns out that Republicans actually supported 239 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:26,399 the strike on the nuclear facilities like ninety three to four, 240 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:29,919 And so that's a very very small minority of Republicans 241 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:32,639 who are very, very loud in the online space, and 242 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:34,320 then the media also have an interest in sort of 243 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:37,279 ginning up that conflict as a way of attacking President Trump. 244 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,919 Speaker 3: And is a general yeah, I do think there are 245 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:40,679 a lot of complacent and then also a lot of 246 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,159 dumb people out there, like a lot of Like I 247 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,159 live in Texas, and I think there are people that 248 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:47,360 just think, Okay, this stuff can't happen here. And then 249 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:50,519 I look at Houston, I look at Dallas. I look 250 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:53,399 at a lot of you know, people that are coming 251 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,679 into communities like that that are you know, demanding that 252 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:59,440 you can't sell certain things in convenience stores. 253 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 5: And you're just like, wait, this is Texas. What's going on? 254 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:02,440 You know? 255 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:04,799 Speaker 3: And then I look at New York and I see 256 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 what's happening with mom Donnie, and I'm like, okay, how 257 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:10,799 is this even happening? Like how are they going to 258 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,399 possibly elect you know, this Muslim guy that is a commie? 259 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: Like what I mean again, I think the most most 260 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:21,440 people just don't pay close attention to politics, right, you 261 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,320 guys spend a lot of time paying attention to politics. 262 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: I obviously do. The vast majority of the American people 263 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:26,840 do not. 264 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: They spend about five seconds on these issues, and particularly 265 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,440 issues that are far away. So if you're talking about 266 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Middle Eastern politics, I think most the vast majority of 267 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,840 Americans could not find this place on a map. If 268 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:37,200 you gave them a globe and you said to like, 269 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,759 point to the general region where this stuff is happening, 270 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,440 they couldn't do it. And yet they have very strong 271 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,679 opinions on the left and on some parts of the 272 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:46,919 right about this stuff, knowing none of the history, knowing 273 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,840 very little about it, just having kind of a general 274 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:51,240 gestalt feel for it. And this is where the influencer 275 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,840 brigade really makes a big difference, because you know, people 276 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:58,039 tend to queue to the people who they've trusted in 277 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,559 the past. 278 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: And so if you have people who. 279 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:02,759 Speaker 2: Have built a big following by saying traditionally conservative things 280 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:05,200 basically over the course of the last ten twenty years, 281 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,519 and then suddenly they flip, then you can't be totally 282 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:10,600 shocked when their audience that's trusted them for ten or 283 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:13,960 twenty years continues to kind of follow them down that road. 284 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:15,879 And that's why I think what's happening was with some 285 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,440 of these folks is both dishonest and moral, because I 286 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,279 think that many of them know better than what they're saying. 287 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:24,360 But they again seem to be garnering high levels of 288 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,720 reality and also a sort of bizarre left wing respect, 289 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,600 a strange respect for some of this stuff. 290 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 5: It's like Dick Cheney. 291 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,919 Speaker 3: It's like the left level Dick Cheney all this exactly 292 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:38,080 do you. 293 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Think that there's any I mean, if you were, say, 294 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,480 working pr for Israel right now, how would you advise 295 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,320 them to shift or adapt their messaging? Because isn't that 296 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,320 part of the problem that they're not there's not enough 297 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:59,759 of the right narrative to counteract the huge level of 298 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:02,559 in fluence right now that the Tucker and Candace and 299 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,000 others have. What would you tell them to do differently 300 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:06,600 if anything? 301 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,759 Speaker 2: So obviously not my job, and despite Tucker and Candace's 302 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:12,000 accusations to the contrary, that's actually not what I do. 303 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,519 Speaker 4: For a living. 304 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:16,799 Speaker 2: But you know, the sort of what I've said before 305 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:19,320 is that the problem for the Israelis, and obviously have 306 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,559 family and friends who are Israeli, and I do know 307 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,360 a lot of people in the government over there, is 308 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,720 that they fundamentally do not understand how politics works in 309 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,320 the United States of America. And so contrary to the 310 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:32,759 sort of popular opinion that Israel is sort of ignoring 311 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,399 what Americans are thinking, they're completely misapprehunting what Americans are thinking. 312 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:39,159 So they think, if we move slowly, and if we 313 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,840 are more meticulous, and if we warn people, and if 314 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,519 we get lots of humanitarian aid in there, then the 315 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:46,720 American people are more likely to think that we're doing 316 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,960 the right thing and give us more time. And if 317 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,559 we go slow but steady and more meticulous, then we'll 318 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,879 get more leeway for doing all those things. And what 319 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:57,000 they don't understand is that that's how Americans operate. We 320 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,639 do not operate this way. The reality is that, well 321 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 America like to talk a good game about human rights 322 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,960 being our number one priority, the reality is the longer 323 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,200 things last, the worse they are for any conflict. And 324 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,000 so Americans will tire of the Ukraine conflict, We'll tire 325 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,159 of the Afghanistan conflict, We'll tire of rock. We do 326 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,120 not have the attention span that it actually kind of 327 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,120 requires to win long term wars or to let our 328 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,039 allies win long term wars. And so the best thing 329 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:25,159 that Israel could have done early on, and this I 330 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:28,159 have said publicly many times, would be moved faster actually, 331 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,840 and in the speed actually makes an enormous difference. The 332 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,600 fact the war has been going on for two years. 333 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,360 That's an enormous amount of material for people to be 334 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,320 able to pick and choose. 335 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:40,679 Speaker 4: You know, things that are bad that happen in any war. 336 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: Right there's an accidental bombing of a church and suddenly 337 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:45,600 we get several months of the LAE that Israel is 338 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,279 targeting Christians in Gaza, which is just an overt lie. 339 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:50,519 But you know, the longer you're in the middle of 340 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:52,240 the war, there are going to be bad things that 341 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:54,240 happen because war is bad and ugly, and bad things 342 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:56,559 happen in wars. And so you know the thing that 343 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,080 I think the Israelis are constantly trying to say, you know, 344 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,960 what if we post it this way, what if we 345 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,759 message it. I don't think it's a messaging issue. I 346 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:04,679 think it's a time issue. And so I think the 347 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:06,480 biggest mistake the Israel government has made, and this is 348 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:08,519 on the Prime Minister and his government over there, is 349 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:09,799 they should have moved much faster. 350 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,559 Speaker 4: They should have moved more aggressively. 351 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,639 Speaker 2: Actually, this war should have been wrapped up a year 352 00:15:14,679 --> 00:15:15,879 ago in my opinion. 353 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: So this attack today on Doha, I'm assuming that you 354 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,919 think that this is long overdue. 355 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I mean I think first of all, the 356 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 idea that the Katar was ever an honest broker is ridiculous. 357 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:32,240 I mean, I know the players, and that's insane. Katar 358 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,360 has acted as an adjunct of Hamas for years, I 359 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,120 mean so much so that they almost went to war 360 00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:40,360 with Saudi Arabia over their support for the Muslim Brotherhood 361 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,639 back in twenty seventeen, and they founded literally billions of 362 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,279 dollars to the leaders of Hamas. And I've talked with 363 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,080 people in the Qatari government early on in the war, 364 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,159 and I was actually asked by somebody, well, what should 365 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:55,320 we do to end the war? And I said, take 366 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,759 all of the Kamas leaders into exiles and exile and 367 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,440 tell them to free the hostages. And they said, we 368 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,720 don't want to do that, and I said, well why not. 369 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:04,240 You already have all the Kamas leaders in Katar, Like, 370 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:06,440 why not just add a few more And they said, well, 371 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,840 we really don't want to know. The bottom line is 372 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:10,519 that the Kutsar really likes to play both sides an 373 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:14,200 awful lot, and the President said, there's an offer on 374 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,639 the table. The offer is taken, or leave it. It's 375 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:19,559 the last offer. This is your final warning. Hamas turned 376 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:21,679 it down, and then they pretended they didn't turn it down, 377 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:24,200 but they didn't turn it down. And then they proceeded 378 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,759 to endorse a massive terrorist attack in Jerusalem yesterday, and 379 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,159 then Israel decided that they were going to not wait 380 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,399 anymore and blow up the leaders of Hamas in Katsar, 381 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,200 basically saying, listen, it's gloves off completely. 382 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:36,559 Speaker 4: Now. 383 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: You can either surrender the hostages, go into exile, give 384 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:41,960 up your weapons and move into whatever the next stage 385 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 of rebuilding Gaza is, or you will be dead. And 386 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:47,080 there weren't a lot of other options on the table 387 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,120 for the Israelis. What were they supposed to do just 388 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,600 continue to allow the Kamas leadership to live at five 389 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:55,200 star hotels in Katar, well continuing to order terrorist attacks 390 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,279 just because they happen to be in Katar, which again 391 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,919 is a client state of It's our places both sides right. 392 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,960 They host an American air base, for sure, but they 393 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,440 also are in very very close cahoots with the Iranians, 394 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,440 and so I will also say that, just as a 395 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,319 matter of geopolitics, the idea that Israel would have had 396 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,880 the capacity to perform this strike without either advanced American 397 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,559 permission and knowledge or even the Kataris knowing kind of 398 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,200 what was happening beggars the imagination a little bit. I 399 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,480 would I would not be completely shocked if if the 400 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,960 Kataris were aware, at least. 401 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,079 Speaker 4: In the moments leading up to this, that this is 402 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,119 the thing that was about to happen. 403 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,599 Speaker 3: I just I kind of believe that there are people 404 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,720 that look at all of this and are like, oh, yeah, 405 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:39,039 Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Hamas is just political organization. 406 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,400 Like it just blows myth. They have hostages, you know 407 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:43,880 what I mean. 408 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: Like they literally released a video yesterday of how you 409 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,079 should shoot up a bus, right literally yesterday. This is 410 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:52,960 why I don't actually believe that many of the people 411 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,119 who are articulating this stuff. I think many of them 412 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,359 are being dishonest about what they actually believe. Right, And 413 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,200 it's a tactic because it's too inconsistent. It's not though 414 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,240 there's a through line here, except for the through line 415 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:06,079 just being kind of a rote anti American anti Western 416 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,759 isolationism that suggests that whatever America does abroad is bad, 417 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,039 that everything that's bad that happens in terms of terrorism 418 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:14,200 is blowback against us. That if we respond to terrorism, 419 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,480 or if any of our allies like Israel, respond to terrorism, 420 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,680 that is itself terrorism, and that's indistinguishable in terms of 421 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,119 its foreign policy from Howard's Inn or Bernie Sanders. 422 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 4: Indistinguishable. 423 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,599 Speaker 5: Freaking nuts is what it is. 424 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 425 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,599 Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of Bernie Sanders, there's a line 426 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,720 from your book that is going to go down as 427 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:33,960 one of my favorite lines of all time. When you 428 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:36,400 called him and I quote this is why you need 429 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,119 to read the book everybody. It calls Bernie Sanders a 430 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:45,119 putrescant Marxist pimple on the posterior of the body politic. 431 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 5: It was just so perfect. 432 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: And then you also talked about how Tucker and Bernie, 433 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,039 which are not people that you normally associate together, how 434 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:59,119 they agree about their hatred almost for free markets, even 435 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,319 though it's indifferent ways. And so that to me reminded 436 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:04,319 me of like this whole horseshoe effect that you have 437 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,319 with the woke left and the woke right. 438 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 5: Talk about that a little bit more. 439 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's quite bizarre. 440 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: But but Tucker has not been particularly free market oriented 441 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,880 for quite a while. In fact, he's made, you know, 442 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:17,359 very long monologues about how markets are merely a tool 443 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,640 of the people, and the people should be able to 444 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,240 manipulate markets to their own benefit. And obviously he's ripped 445 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,200 on venture capital for being sort of, in his view, 446 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,839 sort of a vulture on the people. And he has endorsed, 447 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,079 you know, Elizabeth Warren's economic plans in the past. I mean, 448 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,720 he said all this publicly, These are all these are 449 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,640 all quotations that you can look up from Tucker. But 450 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,519 then he'll say, but I'm not in favor of socialism. Okay, 451 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:40,920 that's fine. I would all I care about is that 452 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,119 your economic proposals very often mirror the economic proposals of again, 453 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,160 Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. I don't care what you 454 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,680 call it or what label you're going to use for 455 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,359 that that happens to be the positions that are being held. 456 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,759 And again, I think that that is rooted in this 457 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,200 sort of grievance about the American system. There's an idea 458 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,440 that that Tucker has in retailing for quite a while 459 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,839 that America has basically gone wrong. The entire West has 460 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,240 gone wrong since World War Two. And he's made this clear. 461 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,359 I mean, this is not me assuming on his part. 462 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:10,920 He said this in an interview with Piers Morgan about 463 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,319 Great Britain. He's also said it with regard to the 464 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,359 United States. He said, basically, the use of the atomic 465 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,599 bomb rob the United States of our soul. He has 466 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,200 been speculating about, you know, whether he's had guests on 467 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,920 recently to speculator about whether we took the right side 468 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,559 of World War Two. All of this is part of 469 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,960 a sort of broader take on how America went wrong, 470 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,960 and that take on how America went wrong is just wrong. 471 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:36,519 Speaker 4: America didn't go wrong. 472 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that America hasn't made a mistakes so 473 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:41,039 that I agree with every policy that's been pursued since 474 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:43,920 nineteen forty five. Of course, he'd be an idiot to believe, 475 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:45,960 you know, everything that has happened in the United States 476 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,440 since has been wonderful. I'm probably America's greatest critic of 477 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:51,839 much of what happened during the nineteen sixties, during the 478 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,039 Sexual Revolution and the massive upsurgeon in government involvement but 479 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:59,160 you know, the sort of baseline idea that America has 480 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,599 gone wild awry, that is, that is, in fact a 481 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,640 position that's been held by on the one side, sort 482 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,079 of the what's been termed the wolk right. I usually 483 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,000 you say horseshoe right, because I don't want to attribute 484 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,279 motive as much as positional similarity, and the and the 485 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:15,240 wolk left right, though the wolk left will will claim 486 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,519 that America was founded in sin at the sixteen, that 487 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:19,319 we were found in sixty nineteen on slavery, that the 488 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,319 foundational ideas of America are just wrong. And usually the 489 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,319 horseshoe right tends to label the place where America went 490 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,119 wrong as World War two seems to be the common 491 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,279 denominator lately. 492 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so she'll probably get mad at me. But 493 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,359 I have to ask you this question because we're consummate professionals. 494 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:42,119 You're a husband and a father of four, right, a 495 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,480 father of four, and I assume that you have vast 496 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:48,400 free time. And you know, because you've written what like 497 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,759 sixteen books. Now it's sixteen bucks, right, Am I wrong 498 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:51,160 about that? 499 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:53,039 Speaker 2: I think it's twelve under my own name. And then 500 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:54,440 I used to go right for a living. So it's 501 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,039 probably if if you titled them, it's probably more like 502 00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:57,440 twenty five. 503 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,759 Speaker 3: She's he's an underachiever. Been like seriously, okay, So when 504 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:04,359 you do have your best free time, what are some 505 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,319 of the hobbies of Ben Shapiro? 506 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,599 Speaker 2: What do you do in your free time? I mean, 507 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,759 the truth is that most of my time is taken 508 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,440 up by my kids. I've really struck, Yes, I've really 509 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,240 structured my day so that my kids don't know I 510 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,799 have a job. So basically I get up in the 511 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:19,279 morning with them, and then I take care of them 512 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,640 until they leave for school, and then I leave about 513 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,720 the same time to go to work. I'm at work 514 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,200 and you're doing meetings and getting everything and including a workout. 515 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,920 I hope before they get home their school day. Now 516 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,400 that the oldest ones in middle school, so their school 517 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,720 day ends usually four four thirty is when they get home. 518 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,279 By that point, I try to get as much as 519 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,680 I can done, and then I'm with them, you know, 520 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,160 no phone. I hope between like four thirty and seven 521 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:43,559 thirty when they go to bed, and then I start 522 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,160 working again. 523 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: So fantastic. 524 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,839 Speaker 2: So like it is, so you know, in my hobbies 525 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,039 are my kids basically, you know, the time that I 526 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,000 have to myself. Obviously, I'm you know, I watch a 527 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,640 lot of movies. I watch a lot of TV because 528 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,759 I'm reviewing a lot of those things. Writing kind of 529 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,640 is one of my hobbies. Actually, it's the thing I 530 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,359 enjoyed doing the most in terms of sort of monetary return. 531 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,200 It is the least lucrative of the things that that 532 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,680 I do. Not say that I don't make money off 533 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,960 my writing. I do, but but obviously the podcast and 534 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,440 the company are much larger enterprises. But I do. I 535 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,279 do love writing. I think that that writing helps me 536 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,559 organize my thoughts. It puts me in a creative headspace. 537 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,680 It kind of allows flow to happen, and so that's 538 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:20,640 that's really nice. And then that's the side obviously for 539 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:23,079 my biggest hobby, which is the five minutes a day 540 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,480 I get to actually hang out with my wife and create. 541 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 5: More hip hop. 542 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,559 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've got another rap song in the works. 543 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I think I think my rap 544 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:33,359 career was like it was. 545 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: It was like a shining star that that soared across 546 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,799 the landscape for a brief moment in time, and we 547 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:39,839 were all a little privileged to be there, but I 548 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,000 think that that moment is are going to love that 549 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:49,880 bad sadly they do. And yeah, my niece at Herbot 550 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240 Mitzvah made me get up and do a revised lyrical 551 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:52,960 version of that. 552 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 5: My gosh, I love it. Is fantastic. Well, I love it. Pleasure. 553 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: Know you've got a heartbreak. We want to be respect 554 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,640 of your time, but just know that we have like 555 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,799 seven billion more questions for you and would love to 556 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,720 come back. In the meantime, everybody needs to pick up 557 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,079 a copy of Lions and Scavengers. 558 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. 559 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Appreciate it.