Speaker 1: We should read our bibles as men dig you for
Speaker 1: bury treasure, one of.
Speaker 2: The most high game of the nations their inheritance. When
Speaker 2: He divided mankind, he fixed the borders of people's according
Speaker 2: to the number of the sons of God.
Speaker 1: In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites
Speaker 1: lived down to the earth. For whenever the sons of
Speaker 1: God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children
Speaker 1: who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient tides.
Speaker 2: Take no part in the fruitless steeds of darkness, but
Speaker 2: yet expose that though a.
Speaker 3: Thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying
Speaker 3: around you these ears, we are not touching.
Speaker 2: Lives of garden man.
Speaker 3: You gotta dig it.
Speaker 4: Hell, old fellow treasure hunters, welcome to the excavation side.
Speaker 4: I'must in alongside and when we got Ben Steve even
Speaker 4: in Chad will be your guides on this excursion. Hope
Speaker 4: you brought your shovel in your compass, because we got
Speaker 4: the map.
Speaker 2: Let's do that book you brought and tell us about
Speaker 2: it and some of the nuggets you got in there.
Speaker 1: We brought it up a little bit earlier. But this
Speaker 1: book and I think this is This is interesting because
Speaker 1: it's a Maurice s Rawlings as an MD, who end
Speaker 1: up writing this book. And I believe there's another one
Speaker 1: after this. This is not a new book. It's been
Speaker 1: around for.
Speaker 3: A little while. It looks like it's been around.
Speaker 1: It's been around for a little while. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I think my dad actually bought this from
Speaker 1: a book sale at the Lano County Library in Lake
Speaker 1: Shore Branch wherever that is. I have no.
Speaker 2: Idea what's the print date?
Speaker 1: I mean, look and see if I can do this.
Speaker 2: Guess real quick, ben print date, That's what I was
Speaker 2: thinking mid the late eighties. The a historical document.
Speaker 1: Original copyright hold on is nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just been left out in the sun.
Speaker 1: It has been left out in the sun. It was
Speaker 1: a library book at one time, so it's it's seen
Speaker 1: better days. But this book is about this physician who
Speaker 1: was an atheist who didn't believe in God and his
Speaker 1: encounters with people who are you know, on the on
Speaker 1: the operating table who die and have to be brought back,
Speaker 1: I mean, or just near death experiences, stuff that people
Speaker 1: see when they leave their body or something of that. Nature.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's really powerful because if you
Speaker 1: could have a glimpse into what it's like after you die,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think I feel like people
Speaker 1: if they go and they had a bad glimpse. God
Speaker 1: gave him a second chance, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he really did, because who knows. We can sit here
Speaker 1: and tell you all these different things and all the scripture,
Speaker 1: and we can go right through and there are some
Speaker 1: atheists out there that will never believe that no matter
Speaker 1: what we say. But if you can hear it from
Speaker 1: another person what they saw, and this is coming from
Speaker 1: another atheist, and you can hear what people have saw,
Speaker 1: what they have seen. What this guy can tell you
Speaker 1: that that he's seen firsthand, that he's seen firsthand, that
Speaker 1: that will blow your mind. But let's start with a
Speaker 1: couple of I have a couple that are more on
Speaker 1: the negative side.
Speaker 2: That lead with the negative, with the possible.
Speaker 1: Well that's exactly it.
Speaker 2: Bad news first, all right.
Speaker 1: So this is once again, this is from the some
Speaker 1: of the A couple of these are are from people
Speaker 1: he was able to witness or to interview afterwards. But
Speaker 1: this one's from his point of view as he was
Speaker 1: going through it. However, this guy did live for a
Speaker 1: while after this, so this is something that's been confirmed
Speaker 1: obviously all the way through. But once again, this book
Speaker 1: is called Helen Back by Maurice s. Rawlings, and he's
Speaker 1: the author of another book called Beyond Death's Door, which
Speaker 1: might be the other one that I'm talking about. But
Speaker 1: here I'm gonna read a couple. We'll read the first one,
Speaker 1: we'll have a cut, little bit of input from everybody,
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of jump to the next. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: Charlie continued to talk for a while, unaware that his
Speaker 1: heart had stopped. Four or five seconds later, he looked
Speaker 1: suddenly dumbfounded. It was as if he were about to
Speaker 1: ask a question. Then his eyes rolled up in the
Speaker 1: back of the head and he fell, the treadmill sweeping
Speaker 1: his body away like so much trash. This reminded me
Speaker 1: of similar problems occurring in the heart lab, where the
Speaker 1: heartbeat stops for some reason, but amazingly, the patient continues
Speaker 1: to talk for a while. Hitting them on the chest
Speaker 1: or making them cough repeatedly usually starts him up again,
Speaker 1: so the procedure can be completed as if nothing happened.
Speaker 1: The CPR two technique that we used on Charlie has
Speaker 1: been modified by using sequential chest abdominal compressions at a
Speaker 1: rate of eighty per minute. The artificial breathing technique is
Speaker 1: the same. Details are available at your local American Heart
Speaker 1: Association or Red Cross, and the method is listed in
Speaker 1: the appendix. With Charlie's head sharply extended to chin toward
Speaker 1: the ceiling, one of the nurses breed the Kiss of life.
Speaker 1: The other nerse started IVY or a IVY for medicines.
Speaker 1: By then, an underlying block in the heartbeat had appeared
Speaker 1: on the monitor. That means that the heart could not
Speaker 1: conduct the beat properly and a temporary pacemaker would be
Speaker 1: needed for the heart to respond to CPR. Using a
Speaker 1: large bore needle, I entered the big vein under the collarbone,
Speaker 1: then threaded the pacemaker wire into the right side of
Speaker 1: the heart and attached the wire to a pulse generator
Speaker 1: box to initiate every heartbeat, not missing a stroke, but
Speaker 1: blood was spurting everywhere. Whenever I stopped pushing on his
Speaker 1: chest in order to adjust the pacemaker, the heart would stop,
Speaker 1: Charlie's eyes would roll up and he would sputter again.
Speaker 1: Turn blue and begin to convulse with bare hands, just
Speaker 1: like you can. I would reach over and start him
Speaker 1: up again, but this time he was screaming the words
Speaker 1: don't stop. I'm in hell, I'm in hell hallucinations. I
Speaker 1: thought most victims say take your big hands off me,
Speaker 1: or breaking my ribs, but he was saying the opposite.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, don't stop. Don't you understand? Every time
Speaker 1: you let go, I'm back in hell. When he asked
Speaker 1: me to pray for him, I felt downright and salted.
Speaker 1: In fact, I told him to shut up. I said,
Speaker 1: I was a doctor, not a minister, and not a psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: But the nurse gave me that expectant. Look, what would
Speaker 1: you do? That's when I composed a make believe prayer.
Speaker 1: I made him repeat the make believe prayer word for
Speaker 1: word to keep him off my back. Meanwhile, I resuscitated
Speaker 1: with one hand and adjusted the pacemaker with the other.
Speaker 1: Say it, Jesus Christ is the son of God. Go
Speaker 1: on and say it, I said, keep me out of hell,
Speaker 1: and if I live, I'm on the hook, I'm yours.
Speaker 1: Go on and say it. That A very strange thing
Speaker 1: happened that changed our lives. A religious conversion experience took place.
Speaker 1: I had never witnessed one before. He was no longer
Speaker 1: wild eyed and screaming, combative, the combative lunatic who had
Speaker 1: been fighting me for his life. He was relaxed, calm,
Speaker 1: and cooperative. It frightened me. I was shaken by the events.
Speaker 1: Not only had that make believe prayer blown out the
Speaker 1: soul of Charlie mckaig, but had backfired and got me too.
Speaker 1: It was a conviction I cannot express even to this day.
Speaker 1: Since then, Charlie has outlived three permanent pacemakers, and it
Speaker 1: has been difficult to believe that this miserable prayer of
Speaker 1: mine would have opened the road to my own salvation.
Speaker 3: I thought you were starting with a bad one.
Speaker 1: That was a bad one. He was in hell. Well
Speaker 1: he went to hell. Well it's not all sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker 1: I take it to you.
Speaker 3: That would be kind of crazy, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Every time his heart stops when he comes back,
Speaker 2: don't stop. I'm inhale.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is that not just I mean, it
Speaker 1: gives me the chills. Really you think about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's intense to think about.
Speaker 2: He was there with la or the rich man in Abrahams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to this one because it gives you a
Speaker 1: couple more visual details as we go through it. Right,
Speaker 1: listen to this one. So this is the point.
Speaker 2: Of view, different story.
Speaker 1: It's a different story. And this is the patient recounting
Speaker 1: it to the doctor. So this is from the patient's
Speaker 1: point of view this time. Right, they said, you were
Speaker 1: watching the television monitor to guide the pacemaker wire inside
Speaker 1: my heart, and that's when it stopped. I was blacking out.
Speaker 1: Then you hit me on the chest saying excuse me.
Speaker 2: Then this is the same guy, totally different.
Speaker 1: This is just a similar circumstance, similar circumstance. A lot
Speaker 1: of this happens, like when you talk about from the
Speaker 1: medical point of view, when someone while they have to
Speaker 1: put a temporary pacemaker to get the heart kind of stabilized,
Speaker 1: to kind of get it to keep the heart pumping
Speaker 1: actionated blood through the body. It's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: different type of CPR than you or me can give
Speaker 1: because they're able to get the heart to beat as well.
Speaker 2: But which I thought it was interesting they called it
Speaker 2: the kiss of life because you know, you know, in
Speaker 2: Genesis it says that Adam was a inanimate body until
Speaker 2: God breathed the breath of life into his lungs. That's
Speaker 2: pretty cool, all right, We're ready, Sorry, continue.
Speaker 1: Sir, all right. Then your fist came down like a hammer.
Speaker 1: I saw that skin, look in your eyes. Someone was yelling.
Speaker 1: Something crashed over to my left, and everybody went crazy.
Speaker 1: You started shoving me with both hands, and then I
Speaker 1: was out of it. I was floating pitch black, moving fast.
Speaker 1: The wind whistled by, and I rushed towards this beautiful
Speaker 1: blazing light. As I moved past the walls of the
Speaker 1: tunnel nearest to the light, caught fire. Beyond the blazing tunnel,
Speaker 1: a huge lake of fire was burning like an oil spill.
Speaker 1: A hill on the far side was covered with slabs
Speaker 1: of rock. Elongated shadows showed that people were moving aimlessly
Speaker 1: about like animals in a zoo enclosure. An old stone
Speaker 1: building was on the right, mostly rubble with different levels
Speaker 1: and openings, crammed with people trying to move about. Down
Speaker 1: the hall, I saw an old friend who had died
Speaker 1: the last time I recalled. They were dragging the river
Speaker 1: for him. He had been involved with gambling. I yelled
Speaker 1: to him. High there, Jim He just looked at me,
Speaker 1: didn't smile. They were taking him around a corner where
Speaker 1: he started screaming. I ran, but there was no way out.
Speaker 1: I kept saying Jesus is God. Over and over I
Speaker 1: would say Jesus is God. Some Way, somehow I got
Speaker 1: back to you as you were putting in the stitches.
Speaker 1: I loved every one of those stitches. Only God could
Speaker 1: have gotten me out a mess like that. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget it.
Speaker 3: I mean, wow, that's pretty rough.
Speaker 1: To see that.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's like like you know, I've seen
Speaker 3: the light, but then the walls turned the fire.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like you think it's gonna be positive.
Speaker 3: I see the light. I see the light.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's gone the wrong way. I mean you
Speaker 1: just think about that, the fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wrong light. Fire has light to the wrong light.
Speaker 1: It literally just reading that gives me chills. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you really think about these people, can you imagine
Speaker 1: having that experience and say you're an atheist and you
Speaker 1: go through and you see you get a chance to see,
Speaker 1: oh there is something after death and it's not but
Speaker 1: it's horrifying. Oh, I guarantee it, and you get that
Speaker 1: second chance. Not everybody gets that second chance. Not everybody's
Speaker 1: there to get that second chance.
Speaker 2: So which I had something like that, But it was
Speaker 2: a dream. You remember when we did our testimonies. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had a dream. I mean I was a believer saved.
Speaker 2: It's just I was just not living right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I don't know. I mean i'd
Speaker 2: like to think I wasn't going to go to hell.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just a scared straight wake up Kyle
Speaker 2: from God. But I mean it was just as real
Speaker 2: as you know, like we're sitting here talking. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: this portal or whatever just opened up at the foot
Speaker 2: of my bed and all these hands just come up
Speaker 2: and just start grabbing me, pulling me, lywing and just screaming.
Speaker 2: And then I woke up.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what Doug said in church, right our pastor.
Speaker 1: He said, some people, he goes, if you, if you
Speaker 1: have committed yourself to Jesus, if you believe that He
Speaker 1: has has died for you, he says, you're going to
Speaker 1: get to heaven. I mean you can stop there, and
Speaker 1: he goes, some people will get into heaven with their
Speaker 1: tails on fire, skin of your teeth, Your tail will
Speaker 1: be on fire, you'll get in, but but just barely,
Speaker 1: because it can a.
Speaker 3: Bunch of crowns or would your tail on fire?
Speaker 1: You met the bare minimum requirements. I mean, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2: As Phil Robinson said, you were a C plus man.
Speaker 1: See he's good degrees. But that's I mean, that's about it.
Speaker 1: But let's let's jump into a little more positive light
Speaker 1: to kind of see maybe the other side of what
Speaker 1: people see.
Speaker 2: Okay, the good light, the good light, the good light,
Speaker 2: the bright light, not the orange doom of fire light.
Speaker 1: Not the s'mores light. Thoseores are good, you think there,
Speaker 1: and I highly doubt it. I burned another one.
Speaker 2: Hey, that would be hell for a fat man. Think
Speaker 2: you think you're going to eat one? And no, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm getting no again.
Speaker 3: Belt again.
Speaker 5: Anyhow, all right, we're back into a moving into a
Speaker 5: different direction here once again, this is from the patient's
Speaker 5: point of view.
Speaker 1: Okay, my temperature was almost one hundred and six and
Speaker 1: I was having cardiac arrhythmias. I felt an incredible pain.
Speaker 1: The wall of my uterus was ripping apart. I was
Speaker 1: in septic shock going into labor. As I lost consciousness,
Speaker 1: I heard a voice shouting, I can't get her blood pressure,
Speaker 1: and then within the tiniest fraction of an instant, I
Speaker 1: was out of my body and out of pain. I
Speaker 1: was on the ceiling in the corner of the room,
Speaker 1: looking down, watching the doctors and nurses rush around frantically
Speaker 1: as they worked to save my life. Then one of
Speaker 1: the doctors, really upset, yelled obscenities, and somehow turned me over.
Speaker 1: Now I was in a sort of a tunnel, a
Speaker 1: cloud like enclosure. I felt wind brushing against my ears,
Speaker 1: except I didn't have ears. I was there, but my
Speaker 1: body wasn't. I began to feel the most incredible, warm, golden,
Speaker 1: loving feeling, and that feeling was also a wonderful, warm
Speaker 1: golden light. I was in this light a wisdom, and
Speaker 1: that wisdom was the final word. The wisdom loved me,
Speaker 1: and at the same time, it knew everything about me.
Speaker 1: Everything I had ever done and felt, was there for
Speaker 1: me to see. I wanted to proceed into the light
Speaker 1: and stay there forever, but I was shown that I
Speaker 1: had to go back and take care of my two children,
Speaker 1: and in that same second, I was back in my body.
Speaker 1: I mean to see that, to be in God's presence,
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about that a lot, and like,
Speaker 1: what would that be like to be around God? I mean,
Speaker 1: think about even the disciples being around Jesus, to know
Speaker 1: you could just I know, you could feel, you could
Speaker 1: just feel everybody's drawn to him. And that's the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even imagine you talk about was
Speaker 1: it was it Abraham that that wanted to see God
Speaker 1: and wouldn't let him see his face was and then
Speaker 1: and he could only see his backside right as he
Speaker 1: went by, And first a great wind came and all
Speaker 1: this and and and they said when he came back,
Speaker 1: he said, his face is glowing so much. And then
Speaker 1: I think that happened to Moses. It was the burning bush, right,
Speaker 1: his face was so bright. Yet Moses had to wear
Speaker 1: a veil because his face was so bright.
Speaker 2: In the transfiguration, Jesus glowed.
Speaker 1: After exactly, So you get in the presence of God,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, my gosh, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always think about we we used to use these
Speaker 1: little is cheesy at Sary, but we used to use
Speaker 1: these phosphorescent spoons that you had to use a flashlight
Speaker 1: to light up, and then they'd glow in the dark
Speaker 1: all the time. And you'd use those at night fishing
Speaker 1: for salmon off the pier. We used to do it
Speaker 1: all the time. But it's the same thing, like that
Speaker 1: light of God. It sits on you, it's there, His
Speaker 1: his presence was on you. You could feel it. You'd
Speaker 1: absorb it. Oh, you absorb it to some degree. But
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, when you're separated from God,
Speaker 1: it would slowly, that would slowly dissipate. You'd lose that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think I can't
Speaker 1: even It's something we talk about it, it's something, but
Speaker 1: something I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is I think people honestly have like
Speaker 2: encounters and stuff like that and you can't explain it
Speaker 2: like they tried to.
Speaker 3: People think they're crazy or you're full of it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Love my aunt she passed away with cancer
Speaker 2: and she stayed with my grandmother, and my grandmother and
Speaker 2: my mom took care of her around the clock, and
Speaker 2: you know, with the morphine and the you know, the
Speaker 2: cancer eating her, you know, alive. She was talking crazy,
Speaker 2: especially like at nighttime it would get really bad. I
Speaker 2: mean she would talk about army people being on the
Speaker 2: roof and they're after you know what I mean, it
Speaker 2: was pretty bad. But the night that she passed away,
Speaker 2: she had like fifteen to twenty minutes of just clarity.
Speaker 2: But I mean, she knew what was going on around
Speaker 2: her stuff. But she did have some I guess what
Speaker 2: we would call kind of crazy talk hallucinations, I guess.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: But it was weird because like my sister, she had
Speaker 2: just recently had to meet carriage, and nobody knew just
Speaker 2: I mean, like my mom and me and my other sister,
Speaker 2: that's it's all it knew, you know. My aunt Sharon
Speaker 2: didn't know. And my sister come to visit her because
Speaker 2: we knew it was getting close. And she was my
Speaker 2: aunt was sitting on the couch like cradling a baby.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there looking at it, you know, and
Speaker 2: talking to it, you know. And of course, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody that has you know, these problems or hallucinations,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't confront them, You go along with
Speaker 2: it does not upset them. And my sister was like, Sharon,
Speaker 2: whose baby you got? And she said that she just
Speaker 2: looked right at her like disgusted and said, what kind
Speaker 2: of mother does know her own baby? And she didn't
Speaker 2: think nothing about it, you know, but she kept going on,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about you know, this your baby duh,
Speaker 2: you know, and then it kind of hit her. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, was it? Did she see my baby that
Speaker 2: I lost? And then that same night, my mom went
Speaker 2: to sit down on the couch beside of her and she's.
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing on? Get up?
Speaker 2: Get up, and freaking out. And mom stood up and
Speaker 2: was like, what is it? And you know, she said,
Speaker 2: you sit on daddy. And her dad was dead too,
Speaker 2: so she was talking about seeing her dad and this baby.
Speaker 2: And I think they said she even saw somebody that
Speaker 2: said she saw her brother, my uncle Paul that night,
Speaker 2: just you know, you know, supposedly saw all these dead
Speaker 2: people and she passed that night. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: kind of wild.
Speaker 1: I wonder if God does that. And there's I got
Speaker 1: some more stories.
Speaker 2: Like the comfort on them or something before they.
Speaker 1: Got more stories like that he could be comfort them.
Speaker 3: But also look what it did to you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, that's like.
Speaker 2: Whoa There is some you know, even if you add
Speaker 2: a little doubt, well, there's something to this reassurance or yeah,
Speaker 2: or reassurance.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, you're good now. I'm just saying I got
Speaker 1: more stories like that for the future that we'll we'll
Speaker 1: go into in the future, but that are things that
Speaker 1: are pretty heavy in that regard. But I do believe that.
Speaker 1: I believe exactly what you're saying. I think that that
Speaker 1: God not only gives them peace before they pass, but
Speaker 1: he also lets us have a glimpse to know that
Speaker 1: they're going to be okay, to know that they're going
Speaker 1: to a place where they're loved. I firmly believe that.
Speaker 1: But I think that there's different ways that God will
Speaker 1: comfort us in those kind of times. Way, Wall, I
Speaker 1: got one more of these. Let's get through this line.
Speaker 2: And enjoy this. This is like story time that you're
Speaker 2: older and you enjoy it. Now we get a nap after.
Speaker 1: Oh wit, a fruit snack, all right? Last one.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the fruit snack.
Speaker 1: But I love fruit snacks. Gushers. They're delicious.
Speaker 2: Beef jerky and that's a beef jerky.
Speaker 1: Is an adult fruit snack. Let's just be honest. That's
Speaker 1: a man's fruit snack.
Speaker 3: I'll agree with that, all right.
Speaker 1: Kimberly Clark Sharp, aged twenty two, collapsed on the sidewalk
Speaker 1: outside a motor Vehicle Bureau in Kansas. And then this
Speaker 1: is her quote going into what she said, Suddenly there
Speaker 1: was an explosion under me and reaching out to the
Speaker 1: furthest limits of my view was this light. It was
Speaker 1: so bright the sun is not as bright yet it
Speaker 1: didn't hurt my eyes. It filled up everything, and I
Speaker 1: was in the center of it. I was back with
Speaker 1: my creator. This light was all love I was begiving.
Speaker 1: I was being given information and a communication between myself
Speaker 1: and the light. I understood everything I was told. It
Speaker 1: was heaven more than ecstasy. It was a reunion of
Speaker 1: the highest order. I mean that just I think I'd
Speaker 1: be mad coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, if you read this, it says that that they
Speaker 1: that there is a lady who came back and another.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's stories on top of stories in these books,
Speaker 1: but it says that the one lady was ticked. She
Speaker 1: was mad at everybody, mad at the doctors when she
Speaker 1: got back, because she's you took me away from that
Speaker 1: that feeling, that pure joy, ecstasy piece that I had.
Speaker 1: But I think that you have to know there's a time.
Speaker 1: But and I think it's a gift that some of
Speaker 1: those people have been given in that instant, in both
Speaker 1: sides of it, because some people are given a second
Speaker 1: chance and other people know they can, they can be
Speaker 1: comforted and know that when they pass, they know where
Speaker 1: they're going, they know what they're going to see. They're
Speaker 1: looking forward to that to know that this time on
Speaker 1: earth is it's a blink of it. It's a blink
Speaker 1: of God's eye for us. It seems, you know, a
Speaker 1: long time. As we get older, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: as long because it goes so fast, but it does. It. It's
Speaker 1: it's the blink of an eye to God, and we're
Speaker 1: so close to being in this presence. And I think
Speaker 1: that some of these people are given a gift prematurely
Speaker 1: just to see that, and maybe they need it, and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they needed to tell somebody around them, and
Speaker 1: that was what God used it for, to help somebody
Speaker 1: else come to him as well. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: I would highly recommend you reading this book, like I
Speaker 1: said to Helen back by Maurice s Rawlings, just really
Speaker 1: really profound stuff that I think is. I mean, it'll
Speaker 1: move you, it'll give you chills reading it because you're
Speaker 1: seeing it from both sides. It's pretty it's pretty intense.
Speaker 2: But but I wonder if that woman that was ticked
Speaker 2: off might have been Baptist. You know, I grew up Baptist,
Speaker 2: and you know, it means she's like, I was gonna
Speaker 2: go to heaven. Now what if I screw up and
Speaker 2: go to hell? You ruined it. I remember as a
Speaker 2: kid pastor talking. You know, Yeah, you can live your
Speaker 2: life and serve God and do all these things. But
Speaker 2: then you go out and have a drink at the
Speaker 2: bar with you buddy, and drunk driver hits you and
Speaker 2: kills you. Well, Hell's your home. You're gonna open your
Speaker 2: eyes an eternal fire. I'm like, that's so confusing when
Speaker 2: you're a kid, especially, but I mean there's plenty of
Speaker 2: adults that believe that, and you're one mistake away from hell.
Speaker 1: And that is the well it says right there, blatantly
Speaker 1: and once again in the Bible. And this is the
Speaker 1: problem when people will listen to one person, and I
Speaker 1: don't care where it is. If you you can hear
Speaker 1: it at your church, you can hear it at And
Speaker 1: I'm not don't get me wrong here. Church is extremely important.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent believe that you need to be
Speaker 1: fed with other Christian people. But you can you're taking
Speaker 1: a word from a man, right, This is not from God.
Speaker 1: This is from a man. God charges us to be
Speaker 1: in his word. God speaks to us through his word,
Speaker 1: not through another person. We need to be in the Bible.
Speaker 1: We need to be reading the Bible. We need to
Speaker 1: have the Bible be part of our everyday life because
Speaker 1: that's how God. I mean, it's a gift. Think about that.
Speaker 1: Not only were we given the Holy Spirit to live
Speaker 1: inside of us to help with that discretion, that discernment,
Speaker 1: but at the same time we're given a gift. We
Speaker 1: have God's word, we have the red letters right in
Speaker 1: front of us. And the fact is that most people
Speaker 1: don't even open it to look inside to look at
Speaker 1: what God actually said, or.
Speaker 2: Some countries don't even have it. Yeah, so it's like
Speaker 2: it's that's the whole point of this. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: don't just get your theology and points from your pastor
Speaker 2: at church, your local TikToker or YouTuber even podcaster, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's why we throw out tidbits
Speaker 2: and we try to throw out so much scripture. And
Speaker 2: we call it the dig because we want you digging
Speaker 2: through the word of God.
Speaker 1: Think about it like an infomercial, but don't take our
Speaker 1: word for it. Read the Bible. Yes, exactly exactly. That's
Speaker 1: so important.
Speaker 2: That needs to be in season two promo.
Speaker 1: But don't take our word for it. Dig yourself, dig yourself.
Speaker 1: But that's important. I think that's something that we all
Speaker 1: in the end we get down to. We're trying to
Speaker 1: uncover stuff. We're not saying that we have the answers
Speaker 1: like we said, but we're we're looking into it. We're digging,
Speaker 1: we're researching, and we're just trying to ignite that flame
Speaker 1: under other people to want to get into it, to
Speaker 1: want to get into God's word more so that they
Speaker 1: can they can get that discernment for themselves. They can
Speaker 1: read in and they can listen to what God has
Speaker 1: to say to them. And I've always said this is
Speaker 1: that we could read we could read the same And
Speaker 1: this is where I think a lot of people go
Speaker 1: wrong and think the Bible is just a book. It's not.
Speaker 1: There's so much more. It's that we could read the
Speaker 1: same verse. And what God uses that to tell me
Speaker 1: might be a little different than what he uses to
Speaker 1: tell you. What you need to hear is sometimes different
Speaker 1: than what I need to hear. I mean, in the end,
Speaker 1: the endgame is all the same point. But the whole
Speaker 1: thing is God's word is there. It's a gift that
Speaker 1: we have that we can read, that we can hear
Speaker 1: God talk to us, but we have to take that step.
Speaker 1: God will meet us halfway, right, He's calling to us
Speaker 1: all the time, but we have to take that next
Speaker 1: step to get there and meet him in the middle.
Speaker 1: We have to commit ourselves that way too.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's a good segue to end, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because you can't lean on a shovel.
Speaker 1: And prayer for a hole, you gotta dig.
Speaker 2: You got a dig?
Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: you can't lean on a shovel and pray for a hole.
Speaker 1: You gotta dig.