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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 3: Hello Cliff, Hello, Hello Bobo?
Speaker 4: How you doing man? How are you?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 3: Seems to be some sort of lag on your side?
Speaker 3: Am I guessing that correctly?
Speaker 4: Or no, you're lugging? Now you're forward, You're you're jumping time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm playing ahead of the beat as musicians say,
Speaker 3: all right, fair enough, good enough, I'm good man. How
Speaker 3: are you doing everything? Good?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I got out out to Bluff and checked it
Speaker 4: outut there. I was out there with Polly.
Speaker 5: We went down and he got We went all the
Speaker 5: way to the film site this time, so that was cool.
Speaker 4: We were the only people that we saw out there good.
Speaker 3: Anything new going on out there?
Speaker 5: And well, they dumped a ton of money into the
Speaker 5: roads out there, and like the go roads, like they've
Speaker 5: been patching it and like just clearing it. And then
Speaker 5: when you have twelve and twelve to teven thirteen out there,
Speaker 5: they've made those like they're not paying, but they're just
Speaker 5: as beautiful.
Speaker 4: As they could either. They've widened them, I mean they
Speaker 4: it's it's really nicely and they've opened gates they never
Speaker 4: open before, and cleared roads hadn't closed.
Speaker 5: They haven't cleared in like twenty years, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Really really any important roads that I'd be interested in
Speaker 3: knowing about.
Speaker 4: Okay, keep those on the DL Okay, fair enough, Yet,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I'll tell you off.
Speaker 5: The tales of woe and destruction were highly exaggerated, like
Speaker 5: it was not that bad at all, Like what I mean,
Speaker 5: I actually I was hearing like Moonscape, and when you're
Speaker 5: down the film site, you can't even see where it came,
Speaker 5: how close it came.
Speaker 4: It's just looks the same.
Speaker 5: Uh, it was cleoling up the platform still built that
Speaker 5: survived the Winner.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe it's a new one. But they got
Speaker 4: the platform there, and they got the like the blue
Speaker 4: little flags where Roger.
Speaker 5: Was filming from like at certain points of the where
Speaker 5: and then then I got the whatever pink red flags
Speaker 5: out for where Patty was walking, so you can actually
Speaker 5: see where Roger was he stopping film locations and where
Speaker 5: Patty was at those certain times.
Speaker 3: Very good. And uh and Laired Meadow is all good
Speaker 3: as well. That I heard it got pretty close to
Speaker 3: that side, am I am? I correct?
Speaker 4: Or now yeah it did, I mean, but it was,
Speaker 4: I mean it was.
Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't look out through the drone, like,
Speaker 5: we didn't have a drone, so I don't know what
Speaker 5: it looked like. You know how they can get your
Speaker 5: view shot that you could see howard any hundreds of
Speaker 5: yards up or whatever you can see or maybe some
Speaker 5: places you can only see that forty feet but where.
Speaker 4: Places are just visible from the road. It wasn't that.
Speaker 5: There was a few chunks were you know, burnt out,
Speaker 5: but Laird looked pretty good overall. And uh, yeah, like
Speaker 5: they opened up some roads up there, and it was
Speaker 5: just it was I wish we had more time to
Speaker 5: the other we had to get back.
Speaker 4: That kind of blew. But we're going to go back
Speaker 4: out there in a couple of days.
Speaker 5: And we got some will we found some a drawn,
Speaker 5: we got a truckload of firewood. So that was kind
Speaker 5: of like it was a farwood mission with some squatching involved.
Speaker 3: Sure, And so you went in the go road and
Speaker 3: went out the fish Lake road, or did you go
Speaker 3: back out the go road as well.
Speaker 4: We just we were in a hurriss who went out
Speaker 4: that go road?
Speaker 3: Well? Very good, very good. Yeah, well, you know, we
Speaker 3: probably would. I don't want to take too much time
Speaker 3: hanging out. Nothing personal, but I'm really interested in bluff
Speaker 3: of course. But we have a fantastic guest today, so
Speaker 3: maybe we should hop to that. How do you feel
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 4: I think that'd be fantastic. Okay, No, I want to
Speaker 4: talk to this guy.
Speaker 3: Well, Bobba, we have a fantastic guest today. I briefly
Speaker 3: spoke to this gentleman on the phone. I didn't hear
Speaker 3: a lot of his encounter because I want to hear
Speaker 3: it for the first time on the air with you.
Speaker 3: Of Course, I know the basics. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of us know the basics, of course, because Moneymaker Matt
Speaker 3: Moneymaker interviewed this this extensively and he was kind enough
Speaker 3: to give us access to the witness. So thank you, Matt.
Speaker 3: Really really appreciate that. Good friend. And well, let's just
Speaker 3: jump into it. So our guest today is Irving Aguilera.
Speaker 3: Irving and his son saw a sasquatch. But God, don't don't,
Speaker 3: let's not listen to me. Let's listen to Irving. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond Irving.
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Hi, how's it going good?
Speaker 4: Good? Thanks for coming so Irving.
Speaker 3: You know again I mentioned just a second ago, I
Speaker 3: don't know a whole lot about your sightings. I know
Speaker 3: the basics, but let's just do this. You live in Texas.
Speaker 3: This was on some sort of trip to California. Set
Speaker 3: it up for us. Tell us what you were doing
Speaker 3: in the wilds of New Mexico right or it was
Speaker 3: at Arizona. It was New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Right in New Mexico, Yeah, Gila National Forest. So I
Speaker 2: live in Texas. My zip code seven eight five five
Speaker 2: two zip code you know, Haringen McCallum, Brownsville area. And
Speaker 2: this is about one thousand and fifty miles from where
Speaker 2: my sighting occurred. I was supposed to go to California.
Speaker 2: I've been going to California for the last three years
Speaker 2: to Sequoya. Well, been taking my kids and stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a beautiful part of the country. So
Speaker 2: I went a week early because I got a call
Speaker 2: we had to pick up a rescue dog. My wife
Speaker 2: and I had rescued some dogs, you know, a few
Speaker 2: years ago, and the family couldn't take care of it anymore.
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, I'll take off.
Speaker 2: It was literally overnight. I was like, I'll take off
Speaker 2: me and Easton is my son. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: let's just go tomorrow. So we left on June twenty
Speaker 2: ninth for the dog. So I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not coming back next week, so it might as well
Speaker 2: go off roading. I have. Me and my son weren't
Speaker 2: off roading, you know, we here, we go on the
Speaker 2: beach and stuff. So I have a twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: f one fifty Raptor with the thirty five inch tires,
Speaker 2: and this is going to come into play because of
Speaker 2: the height of my vehicle. That way, you know, anybody
Speaker 2: can google how high is a f one fifty Raptor.
Speaker 2: So we left on June twenty ninth in the morning.
Speaker 2: We made it to Las Cruces, New Mexico, just outside
Speaker 2: of a passo and we stayed there for the night.
Speaker 2: And my son has this app called the on X Road,
Speaker 2: so I was like, well, find you know, there's mountains here,
Speaker 2: find some find a trail and we can just go.
Speaker 2: You know, off roading in the mountains or whatever. So
Speaker 2: he happened to click on this trail. It's called the
Speaker 2: Chloride Trail, and it's out of Chloride, New Mexico. It's
Speaker 2: about maybe forty miles west of a Truth or Consequences
Speaker 2: in New Mexico. That would be the starting point. So
Speaker 2: on June thirty, if you know, we did little rounds
Speaker 2: around there and we headed for the trail. I got
Speaker 2: to the beginning of the trail at about fourteen thirty,
Speaker 2: two thirty PM. I was in the army, so I
Speaker 2: might say twenty one thirty or something. So we started
Speaker 2: trail on fourteen thirty. And it's pretty rough trail, maybe
Speaker 2: averages five to seven miles per hour on the truck
Speaker 2: because just big rocks and stuff, and we're just cruising by,
Speaker 2: not taking I'm not from there, so I didn't know
Speaker 2: it was gonna take us this long to finish the trail.
Speaker 2: So we saw two bear, a cinnamon colored and a black,
Speaker 2: and they were within one hundred yards of each other.
Speaker 2: I have pictures of that, I think I said them
Speaker 2: to Matt. So we saw two bears, We saw elk,
Speaker 2: plenty of elk, gear, squirrels, pretty much. I guess every
Speaker 2: will animal you can see in New Mexico, we saw it.
Speaker 2: We saw only one vehicle all day. It was It
Speaker 2: was a Toyota truck the Tacoma and then had a
Speaker 2: camping tent on top. And now we saw within three
Speaker 2: miles of the beginning of the trail, mile seventy of
Speaker 2: the trail. About miles seventy is where I saw the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: It was about twenty one thirty that they had been drizzling, right,
Speaker 2: It was about twenty one thirty. It had just got dark.
Speaker 2: It was still some you know in the background, you
Speaker 2: can still see something. And my four fog lights were on.
Speaker 2: My headlights were on. And if you go to the cordence,
Speaker 2: I gave y'all, if we're coming from the north east
Speaker 2: and there's a change in elevation where you see a
Speaker 2: bunch of trees that cover the trail on the satellite,
Speaker 2: there's a change of elevation. So I assume after that,
Speaker 2: compose myself that it hadn't seen as we came through
Speaker 2: the elevation change, and we moved a couple hundred you know, meters,
Speaker 2: and there's a tree, a big whatever grows in New
Speaker 2: Mexico on the Rosa Pine maybe I don't know the
Speaker 2: actual pine species there, and behind the tree about twenty
Speaker 2: five feet on the side of the road maybe. Like
Speaker 2: I told you, if my kid had a mop out
Speaker 2: the window, he could have slapped it. That's how close
Speaker 2: it was. Was this giant figure, you know figure it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, the proportion of this was perfect. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like when you see an NBA player that you know,
Speaker 2: I've been to some Santonio Spurs game. You see the
Speaker 2: other lanky you know, they're they're not great proportion. You know,
Speaker 2: this thing was exact proportion. It was. The proportion of
Speaker 2: this thing was this thing can flip my truck over
Speaker 2: like that's how massive it was. Back to my truck,
Speaker 2: my truck is six and a half feet from the
Speaker 2: floor to the roof of my truck. And then there
Speaker 2: was about a fourteen eighteen inch drop on the side
Speaker 2: of the trail where it was slightly like its legs
Speaker 2: were slightly bent, and then it was about maybe a
Speaker 2: foot over my truck, so maybe eight feet. You know,
Speaker 2: I would assume this thing to be and my son
Speaker 2: looks at me. We're going maybe three to five miles
Speaker 2: an hour. So if you get in your vehicle, you know,
Speaker 2: three to five miles, that's how long you have to
Speaker 2: see it, which is a long time, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: four or five six seconds. You know, it wasn't quick.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a quick sighting where like, oh, who was that?
Speaker 2: My son turns around and look at me, and it
Speaker 2: was just like fear, like he's like did you see
Speaker 2: that that? And in my mind I'm still trying to comprehend, like,
Speaker 2: you know, did I like did I really see this?
Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, I saw that, and you know,
Speaker 2: like I saw it like clear, I saw it. Its
Speaker 2: mouth clear, it's it's it's nose, and it's The biceps
Speaker 2: on this thing were about a little bit bigger than
Speaker 2: my thigh, which I'm almost five eleven, two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty pounds guy. I mean, just the sheer mass of
Speaker 2: this thing was intimidating, you know, truly, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: if you want to fit my truck over it could
Speaker 2: have that's how huge this thing was. And its hair
Speaker 2: was it was long haired, about maybe six inches each,
Speaker 2: you know, the hairline it was tangled, so tangled that
Speaker 2: kind of like dreadlocks. And then it was dark colored
Speaker 2: black with gray like I guess, you know, like a
Speaker 2: grain when your dog starts getting the gray hairs on
Speaker 2: the on the bottom of its chin and stuff. The
Speaker 2: dreadlock looking hair was was already turning gray, like I
Speaker 2: could see that its face was like because its face
Speaker 2: really made an impression on me, like there's no way
Speaker 2: that you could say, you know, this was like a human,
Speaker 2: but it had human features. Like I always hear people, oh,
Speaker 2: why don't they just kill one. I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you could shoot it, and I think it
Speaker 2: looks too human for you to be. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna kill this thing just to show people. Except the
Speaker 2: sheer size, you know, we don't see a human, you know,
Speaker 2: eight ten foot tall. You know, it looks like a
Speaker 2: a bench, you know, a thousand pounds. So the face
Speaker 2: was it wasn't very dark the face. It wasn't black
Speaker 2: like the like a gorilla. I just compared to a gorilla.
Speaker 2: It wasn't black like a gorilla. It was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm a Mexican American, so like a Hispanic when we
Speaker 2: get burnt, like really burnt, you know, over years, we
Speaker 2: that that color like we're you know, not a black tone,
Speaker 2: but not a light not a brown tone kind of
Speaker 2: in between that was the skin. And the skin was
Speaker 2: like when you see an old woman or an old
Speaker 2: man that's you know, one hundred years old that has
Speaker 2: worked out in the like in the field and the
Speaker 2: ranching farming, and they have that leathery, tough skin. That's
Speaker 2: exactly what the what the skin looked like, like leathery
Speaker 2: texture like wife kids. So I compare stuff to like Disney,
Speaker 2: like a cocoa the grandmother that that she has that
Speaker 2: leathery type looking skin. That's what his skin looked like
Speaker 2: from the Disney movie. And the mouth was wide, it
Speaker 2: wasn't protruding like a gorilla where or a chimp. You
Speaker 2: know how the eyes and the nose are kind of
Speaker 2: flat on the chimp or a gorilla and then the
Speaker 2: mouth kind of protrudes out like on a profile picture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the mouth was kind of flush, like a flush like
Speaker 2: a human ish you know, humanoid flush with its face.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a protruding like if you took a profile,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been protruding. It was just massive and
Speaker 2: like it didn't have a human Oh it's smiling or
Speaker 2: it's angry or you know, like human emotional look. It
Speaker 2: just had like a you know, it's just an animal,
Speaker 2: a creature.
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Speaker 2: My son and I continue, we're like and we talked
Speaker 2: about it. It was like it was a bush. It
Speaker 2: had to be a bush, like what you know. Like
Speaker 2: Cliff didn't hear the story that much, but I told
Speaker 2: I told him three things. I was like, Cliff, if
Speaker 2: you had told me I saw gorilla, my mind would
Speaker 2: have said yes. If you told me that I saw
Speaker 2: Neanderthal caveman that was just trapped here in time, I
Speaker 2: would have said yes. If you told me I saw
Speaker 2: a Native American shaman with a big buffalo skin and
Speaker 2: stuff ghost from the past, I would have said yes.
Speaker 2: That's how screwed up my mind was at the time,
Speaker 2: like of like my mind just trying to comprehend, you know,
Speaker 2: and so my you know, we left we went to
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon, then went towards Utah and we were
Speaker 2: just talking about it, my son, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it could be a treeless stump, because as
Speaker 2: you know, there's there. So we did see blacked out stumps,
Speaker 2: you know, from the forest fires, as you see anywhere
Speaker 2: else in you know, in the out west. So we went,
Speaker 2: we picked up the dog, and we came back. That
Speaker 2: was June thirtieth, the siding. So I came back or
Speaker 2: I didn't tell anybody but my wife and one of
Speaker 2: my cousins because it sounds crazy. I mean, I've known
Speaker 2: about the Sasquatch Bigfoot, you know, I've followed it for years.
Speaker 2: You know, I even had the little Bigfoot monster truck.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid. That was probably
Speaker 2: how everybody gets you know, my age would get you know,
Speaker 2: what's the bigfoot? You know, all the monster truck.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: So we talked about my son. I told my wife
Speaker 2: my wife would leave me, and my son was like,
Speaker 2: I think that's what I was like, But I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that's what it is. You know, I was telling
Speaker 2: my wife. I'm not saying it was. I'm saying I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you what I saw. I'm not telling you
Speaker 2: that it was this or that, and we couldn't. I
Speaker 2: just couldn't sleep for about less than two weeks. I
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, what if it was a stump?
Speaker 2: And I'm just imagining stuff. So on on July nineteenth,
Speaker 2: my son and I was, let's go, we gotta go.
Speaker 2: There has to be a stump there. So we went.
Speaker 2: We we woke up that morning, I was like, let's go.
Speaker 2: We left, We packed some stuff. I was like, we're leaving.
Speaker 2: I can't take it anymore, not knowing there's a stump there.
Speaker 2: Before I tell anybody, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: tell somebody and then they go, there, oh there's a stump.
Speaker 2: So we just went out of the blue again. My
Speaker 2: son I. On July nineteenth, we went and it took
Speaker 2: us the same about a day to get there. And
Speaker 2: on July twentieth, we as soon as we were crossing
Speaker 2: the tree line again, and I'll tell you that had
Speaker 2: the elevation change. My heart was like I kind of
Speaker 2: I felt more confused because in my mind there was
Speaker 2: always that it was a stump. You know, it was
Speaker 2: a stump, or it was a giant bush and so
Speaker 2: I had already convinced myself that, you know, I guess
Speaker 2: for you don't want to be disappointed. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a stump. Probably, let's let's just go.
Speaker 2: We'll do some other trails. And as soon as we
Speaker 2: came over with elevation change and I saw there's only
Speaker 2: one tree in that metal, There's only one tree, and
Speaker 2: it was there standing next to the tree, and that
Speaker 2: confirmed it for me. I was like, there's no way
Speaker 2: like So we went to the exact spot where we
Speaker 2: saw it and we walked around and that's where I
Speaker 2: found what looks like a print. And I wear a
Speaker 2: size eleven shoe, so that's a size eleven, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: on that picture. And I mean to me, it looks
Speaker 2: like you can see some toe imprints, you know, on there,
Speaker 2: and it's way bigger than my shoe. And then what
Speaker 2: are the chances that I pull up to a spot
Speaker 2: that there would be a footprint, you know, out of
Speaker 2: everywhere in the United States, I show up to the
Speaker 2: spot and there's what appears to be a footprint.
Speaker 5: But Manna Baggers posted all the photos you sent him
Speaker 5: and the map tatailing where you were, and all that
Speaker 5: you can shit it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And where the print is, there's other prints because
Speaker 2: it had been drizzling that that day all day, so
Speaker 2: there's other prints, just there's no bear prints there the bear.
Speaker 2: We did see the bear maybe like straight air as
Speaker 2: the crow flies. About five miles away, we saw a giant,
Speaker 2: you know, two black bears, one black ones and them
Speaker 2: in the bigger bears. And then there is a game
Speaker 2: trail where where the sighting was. There is a game
Speaker 2: trail that goes the meadows, maybe fifty acres if you
Speaker 2: can see it on the picture, about fifty acre meadow.
Speaker 2: And that's when I saw that. I when I made
Speaker 2: my little it was trying. It was crossing the meadow
Speaker 2: from west to east, and we came over the elevation
Speaker 2: changed on the northeast side, and it had nowhere to go,
Speaker 2: you know, so I think it's just pretending to be
Speaker 2: a stump. Its arms were bent, I mean, and its
Speaker 2: knees were bent. Its arms were at least as long
Speaker 2: as it's its knees where it's hands worth, and its
Speaker 2: hands were kind of crawled up so I couldn't see
Speaker 2: the nails or fingers, and it stood perfectly still like
Speaker 2: a statue and it kind of looked down cut, and
Speaker 2: the hair was covered covering its eyes, you know, like
Speaker 2: a like a one of those shaggy dogs. The hair
Speaker 2: was covering its eyes, so I could see its nose.
Speaker 2: Its nose was like a huge, perfect triangle. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like a gorilla where it has the nostrils giant
Speaker 2: like up like it pretty much when you see a gorilla,
Speaker 2: to me, it looks like it has a circular nostril
Speaker 2: pointing at you. It wasn't that type of nose. It
Speaker 2: was a giant triangle and the nose would be between
Speaker 2: a human and a like a gorilla, like like if
Speaker 2: you could do halfway in between. That's what the nose
Speaker 2: look like. And like I said, it was leathery skinned,
Speaker 2: like leathery looking. And its chest, that's the first thing.
Speaker 2: My son is like, did you see the size of
Speaker 2: his chest? He said, it looked like two football players
Speaker 2: put together. And this thing was probably still bigger, you know,
Speaker 2: and he compares it. He plays basketball football, so he's like,
Speaker 2: and it was probably you know, almost as tall as
Speaker 2: our basketball who tar basketball hoop is about nine foot
Speaker 2: at home. You know, it's not a ten foot like
Speaker 2: NBA and that's what he compares it to the size,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, it makes sense
Speaker 2: because there is about a fourteen inch drop from the
Speaker 2: road to where it would have been standing. Plus the
Speaker 2: height of my truck six and a half feet. You know,
Speaker 2: that puts it around there maybe eight foot, and it
Speaker 2: had I mean just what stuck with me was the mouth,
Speaker 2: the nose, and the hair. If you get your long
Speaker 2: haired dog and it gets all mad at first, that's
Speaker 2: what it looked like, just very coarse and the grayish
Speaker 2: could have been the grayish could have been mud or
Speaker 2: something on it, but it definitely had a grayish color
Speaker 2: on top of most of the black hair. And then
Speaker 2: I went back I once I confirmed, I went back
Speaker 2: the next weekend to show my wife. I was like,
Speaker 2: just so you know that I'm not crazy, like we're going.
Speaker 2: So we went back July twenty eighth with my wife.
Speaker 2: I was like, right here, this is where we saw it.
Speaker 2: You see there's nothing around. You're my witness, there's no
Speaker 2: stumps or anything.
Speaker 4: After one thousand miles to go see that with you.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was profound.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Yes, correct three times. So it went three times. The
Speaker 2: first time, I after the second time that I confirmed,
Speaker 2: I told everybody. I was like, I'm gonna tell everybody
Speaker 2: there's no I was like, you want a fact check me.
Speaker 2: This is the coordinate. I went there, I stood there
Speaker 2: that that's the coordinate. You know, go look at it,
Speaker 2: and you're going to see the game trail. You can
Speaker 2: see you know, you might find some prints there. There's
Speaker 2: a game trail, there's how to get there. You can
Speaker 2: see the pine forest on both sides of the mountains.
Speaker 2: The elevation was a little over seven thousand feet. You know,
Speaker 2: because I know a lot of I thought, like I
Speaker 2: guess most people probably assume that New Mexico's just desert dry. No,
Speaker 2: there's streams, there's lakes up there, there's pine forest on
Speaker 2: both you know, about probably six thousand elevations you get
Speaker 2: into the pine forest. This was at seven thousand elevation.
Speaker 2: The temperature was probably you know, seventy five degrees and
Speaker 2: one hundred down In last cruises.
Speaker 5: Did you check out do you have any of those
Speaker 5: ranches where you hit the pavement right there where the
Speaker 5: trail ends on the pavement you did you knock any.
Speaker 4: Of those doors those ranchers right there.
Speaker 2: Know those that one that you see about maybe a
Speaker 2: couple of miles a few miles to the what is
Speaker 2: it southwest that it's just like a horse bark. There's
Speaker 2: the horses out there with a barn and you can't
Speaker 2: go in there because they're fenced off.
Speaker 4: There's a nice lake there too.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can see why that would be in
Speaker 5: that area because there's that's like the biggest water source
Speaker 5: for miles and miles and miles around.
Speaker 2: Yes, and there is cattle. There's cows out there, you know,
Speaker 2: the with the grazing, the BLM grazing and stuff. There
Speaker 2: is cattle. So because I was like, how could something
Speaker 2: live like this? You know if there weighs fifteen hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a bull walking byway, you know, weighing
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred pounds even off the grass up there. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it can. Something can survive that big.
Speaker 3: So it was just standing or was it squatting or
Speaker 3: somewhere in between ten feet from the trail.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was just the knees were slightly bent and its
Speaker 2: arms were curled. His hands were crawled and his arms
Speaker 2: were curled. So I don't know if it was trying
Speaker 2: to make itself seem a little bit smaller, but it
Speaker 2: stood perfectly still, like not a wing, not a its
Speaker 2: mouth movement, nothing, just completely still, just slightly arched, you know,
Speaker 2: the legs and the arms and just like if I
Speaker 2: caught it midstride and it's like, oh snap, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna see me and shirt. I mean, the area
Speaker 2: looks like I caught it in the middle trying to cross,
Speaker 2: because the forest on the east side is maybe what
Speaker 2: thirty meters so it was almost home free, and a
Speaker 2: lot of things happened for me to be there at
Speaker 2: that time. I took a wrong turn on the trail
Speaker 2: and I had to back up, and so if I
Speaker 2: hadn't taken that wrong turn, you know, the only wrong
Speaker 2: turn I took all day happened about thirty minutes before.
Speaker 2: So I backed up. I was like, are you sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go this way. So, I mean, it was just,
Speaker 2: you know, a super duper coincidence, or you know, it
Speaker 2: was just fate that I'd seen this thing.
Speaker 3: And one of the photographs that you sent it looks
Speaker 3: like there's a blue bronco in it in the meadow.
Speaker 3: Is that where the animal was standing.
Speaker 2: Yes, on the left side. That's the second time we
Speaker 2: went back, my son and I to confirm it was
Speaker 2: standing on the left side of the picture, right on
Speaker 2: the Literally, like I said, my kid could have had
Speaker 2: him off and swung it at him out the window
Speaker 2: and probably would have hit him.
Speaker 3: So the sasquatch would have been between the car and
Speaker 3: where you took the photograph, just maybe six or eight
Speaker 3: feet off to the side.
Speaker 2: Yes, about right, so it's facing in that picture. The
Speaker 2: vehicle's facing north west, so it would have been about
Speaker 2: ten fifteen feet or less on the left side of
Speaker 2: the vehicle. I sent a little video. You can see
Speaker 2: I panned from left right and you can see on
Speaker 2: the east side the forest is really close to the road,
Speaker 2: maybe like thirty meters to you know from the road,
Speaker 2: So I assume it was getting across we came over,
Speaker 2: the elevation changed and it, you know, just try to
Speaker 2: act like a statue, like a stump, like a burnout
Speaker 2: stump or something.
Speaker 3: Was the mouth closed the entire time?
Speaker 2: Yes, the mouth was closed.
Speaker 3: What were the lips like, where thin or what were
Speaker 3: they like?
Speaker 2: Were thin? They weren't? They weren't big? Or anything. It
Speaker 2: was just a thin I tried to draw it because Matt.
Speaker 2: I didn't really tell the BFRO until a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, because that was still like, it's crazy, who's
Speaker 2: going to believe me? You know, like I find like
Speaker 2: I was telling you, I find myself like babbling on,
Speaker 2: like trying to you know, this is really happening, because
Speaker 2: I know it sounds crazy, So I didn't report it.
Speaker 2: Then Matt said, we'll try to draw it, you know,
Speaker 2: and then each dry and you should get a little
Speaker 2: bit better. So that's why I tried to draw it
Speaker 2: with the mouth kind of straight, just straight across. No,
Speaker 2: they didn't have it, like I said, they didn't. It
Speaker 2: didn't show any human emotions that you can tell when
Speaker 2: someone scared or upset or you knowing. It didn't. It
Speaker 2: didn't have any emotions on the face. It was just
Speaker 2: you know, straight across lips kind of thin and just lathery.
Speaker 2: The lips were the same color as the as the
Speaker 2: face was.
Speaker 3: Do you think the mouth was relatively wide compared to
Speaker 3: a human or was it very human like?
Speaker 2: Yes, the mouth was about I mean huge, like the
Speaker 2: like the width of a regular paper. Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: what is that eight inches?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like eight and a half inches or something.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of where the wild things
Speaker 2: are of the book though, the mouth on those things
Speaker 2: where it's kind of wide, you know, they're that's what
Speaker 2: the mouth reminded me of. And kind of the feet
Speaker 2: the no really no emotion, just an animal, a creature.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, you
Speaker 3: said it was drizzling, so where your windows up or down?
Speaker 2: My windows were up and I did not have tint
Speaker 2: on that window. It was it was a here no tint,
Speaker 2: and it was drizzy. It's like that mist, like a
Speaker 2: foggy mist. It was. It was that like a that
Speaker 2: type of drizzle. But like I said, my truck has
Speaker 2: four fog lights, two you know, the two high beams,
Speaker 2: and I mean you can go outside hitch dark or
Speaker 2: you know, and you can see what's standing next to
Speaker 2: your vehicle clearly. And I seen, you know, I saw
Speaker 2: it maybe five seconds like one one thousand two, one
Speaker 2: thousand three, one thousand, four, one thousand five, one thousand,
Speaker 2: mam past. I mean, that's plenty of time. That's how
Speaker 2: long the siding was.
Speaker 3: And you didn't see it before that because you came
Speaker 3: over an embankment.
Speaker 2: Yes, where the trees are on the northeast side, there's
Speaker 2: an elevation change, and I think it must have been
Speaker 2: crossing and when we got too close to the tree,
Speaker 2: it just stopped. And I've course seen it for the
Speaker 2: first thirty feet. You know, my mind doesn't copper. It's
Speaker 2: just a stump. There's there is burnt out like up
Speaker 2: there Snow Lake, there was a fire. I think it's
Speaker 2: called Snow Lake, New Mexico. The pretty much on the
Speaker 2: trail there is a fire. There was a fire while
Speaker 2: we were there, so we had seen you know, burnt
Speaker 2: out stumps and with regrowth on them, so they do
Speaker 2: kind of look like some of your mind tries to
Speaker 2: make something out of them. So I was seeing it.
Speaker 2: I saw as they got closer, maybe to the you know,
Speaker 2: ten feet from the front right headlight, I noticed it
Speaker 2: and I followed it all till it was next to
Speaker 2: my son. He saw it. He was pale, like he's
Speaker 2: just seeing a ghost.
Speaker 3: That You commented that you were mostly struck by the face.
Speaker 3: That's where your attention was really focused. But your son
Speaker 3: saw some more details of the body. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, he's he right away he said it was, you know,
Speaker 2: bigger than two you know football guys with he he
Speaker 2: compared it to somebody wearing shoulder pads and wearing like
Speaker 2: a big outfit on top of it. That's how why
Speaker 2: the shoulders were very like broad So that's what he
Speaker 2: tares it to. He says that it looked like a
Speaker 2: giant linebacker wearing shoulder pads and then just covered in hair.
Speaker 3: Did he either say or did you notice if it
Speaker 3: was uniformly covered in hair or were there thicker or
Speaker 3: perhaps thinner patches on the body at someplace?
Speaker 2: The chest and everything was covered in hair. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like a chamb or something that you see, you know
Speaker 2: it has nipples or anything. It was just hair, complete
Speaker 2: hair except all the way it was even covering most
Speaker 2: of the eyes. The hair, and it was just so
Speaker 2: tangled the hair, you know that they kind of started
Speaker 2: looking like dreadlocks that type of hair or the mop hairs,
Speaker 2: the hairs on your mop that's the closest thing that
Speaker 2: I could compare it to. And about the length of
Speaker 2: maybe six inches, you know, the hair length and my
Speaker 2: son noted just the chest and the biceps were enormous.
Speaker 2: I mean talking just enormous. I don't even know there's
Speaker 2: a word to describe this. I got scared because I
Speaker 2: have my kid there, you know, ten feet from this thing,
Speaker 2: and I was like, in my mind, I was like,
Speaker 2: this thing can lift up my truck. That's how strong
Speaker 2: it appeared to myself. So I was like, oh, we
Speaker 2: got to get out of here, you know, Like I
Speaker 2: don't you know, I mean thinking back, even if you
Speaker 2: had a you know, thirty out six, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's taking this thing down. Like the people say they're
Speaker 2: gonna shoot one man. You good luck to you. That
Speaker 2: thing is not falling with you know, five whatever biggest
Speaker 2: rounds you can use. It is massive. Could you guess
Speaker 2: the way the weight? I have a cow that's about
Speaker 2: fourteen hundred pounds, so about that maybe one thousand pounds easily,
Speaker 2: it's about it. It was about as big as my
Speaker 2: one of my bulls out there. It's just ginormous.
Speaker 3: You mentioned how the hair was like dreadlocks, but just
Speaker 3: to be clear, was that only on the head and
Speaker 3: shorter areas or was that throughout the body?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the like the chest, the chest and the for sure,
Speaker 2: the from the top of the and the top of
Speaker 2: the head wasn't like what you think, you know, the
Speaker 2: like Matt showed me the little garden statute. That's the
Speaker 2: idea that I had in my mind. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: a lot of people have in their mind that it
Speaker 2: has like a gorilla cone shape on top. You know,
Speaker 2: it did not have that. It It had a roundish
Speaker 2: head on top, very wide and just matted with hair
Speaker 2: that they looked like dreadlocks, long enough to cover most
Speaker 2: of the eyes and most of the face and then
Speaker 2: the shoulders and the neck and e was just matted hair.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I was telling the producer I was in the army,
Speaker 2: you know, I was a Medican Army back in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands. And like a like a gilly suit,
Speaker 2: but not that you can clearly tell. It was not
Speaker 2: a gilly suit. That's how the hair appeared, just kind
Speaker 2: of matted, and the legs were not matted. There was
Speaker 2: shorter you know, it would have been shorter hair for sure.
Speaker 2: The chest, the neck area and the hair was matted.
Speaker 2: The head. Did you see cheeked it all? No, No,
Speaker 2: the lips were perfectly straight, like no teeth and not
Speaker 2: even you know how we have kind of like a
Speaker 2: like the way the Joker exaggerates the up on the
Speaker 2: mouth curved. It was not like it was just straight
Speaker 2: like you know, just straight not and not protruding, kind
Speaker 2: of flat faced what I felt. The only way I
Speaker 2: can describe how I felt. I was just I was
Speaker 2: a Medican Army and I spent two years in Iraq
Speaker 2: in five and then in eight, right, and so in
Speaker 2: the army they train you for, you know, for gun fighting.
Speaker 2: So you know, since you're basic training, they trade you
Speaker 2: for the gun fight and the gun fight and the
Speaker 2: gun fight. So you go out there and you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'm ready. The first time I heard like
Speaker 2: an automatic weapon coming back at me, nothing in this
Speaker 2: world could have prepared me for that. And that exact
Speaker 2: thing is what I had when I saw this thing.
Speaker 2: The I thought I knew what it would look like.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought that I was prepared to see
Speaker 2: something like this, and I was not. Totally. No amount
Speaker 2: of preparation could have prepared me for this, for this visual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really curious when I when I read
Speaker 1: the report, because you know, I've heard many witnesses describe
Speaker 1: that feeling, and then we all kind of know how
Speaker 1: it feels to have to get out of the car
Speaker 1: in the dark, whether that's the clear an obstruction out
Speaker 1: of the road or something. And so it sounds like
Speaker 1: you had to get out of the truck just a
Speaker 1: little waist down the road right, Yes, for.
Speaker 2: The if you see on the if you see on
Speaker 2: the map, maybe a couple hundred meters there's a gate,
Speaker 2: and you know, trobling out west, there's gates, but you
Speaker 2: open them and you have to close them because you
Speaker 2: know people's cattle will get out. And my son had
Speaker 2: been getting off all day, you know, open the gate,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm not getting off that, I'll drive.
Speaker 2: So I got off, and I mean I did have
Speaker 2: an uneasy feeling, you know, like something was looking, you know,
Speaker 2: looking at me. There. I got off. I opened that gate,
Speaker 2: he drove past it, closed it, and you know, we
Speaker 2: never looked back at the time. It was that bad.
Speaker 2: For the whole two weeks after, I was like, I
Speaker 2: should have gone back. I should have gone back. But
Speaker 2: at the thing, I'm just thinking, you know, I have
Speaker 2: my kid with me, what if this thing is aggressive,
Speaker 2: you know, because you know I seen I've seen chimpanzee
Speaker 2: documentaries and they're aggressive, so beyond that that whole like
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's famous line, right, everybody has a plan until
Speaker 2: you get punched in the face, and that's exactly what
Speaker 2: happened to me. I was like, yeah, if I ever
Speaker 2: see one man, I'll just take out my phone and
Speaker 2: you know the classic why didn't you get a better
Speaker 2: picture or why didn't you do this? I was like,
Speaker 2: that's a lot easier said than when you're there face
Speaker 2: to face.
Speaker 5: Was it making a fist? Was it like I was
Speaker 5: ready to fight? Like it was kind of like you said,
Speaker 5: it's arms were kind of crawled this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fingers were prolled up so I couldn't see
Speaker 2: his fingers just crolled up and you know it was
Speaker 2: like I said, just shaggy everywhere.
Speaker 4: Did you get the sensors kind of like blowing up?
Speaker 2: Like I sense like he was trying to like, Oh
Speaker 2: I messed up, don't you know? Don't stop and look
Speaker 2: at me. That that's the sense I got kind of
Speaker 2: a little like I said, maybe you know, the kneed
Speaker 2: ben maybe a few inches and the arms bend a
Speaker 2: few kind of like oh, you know, like when your
Speaker 2: mom catches you in the DJR, like, I hope she
Speaker 2: just goes away and doesn't ask me. Kind of thing.
Speaker 5: That sounds like a lot of people say like that,
Speaker 5: but I've talked to that that you know, siler you like,
Speaker 5: drove right up close to real slowly. They're kind of like, crap,
Speaker 5: you cot you like, you know, they're kind of embarrassed,
Speaker 5: like they seel like they're also embarrassed themselves for getting
Speaker 5: caught like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how the like I didn't it didn't seem
Speaker 2: aggressive at all. Like I saw three other bears. The
Speaker 2: next time I went, I saw a mom and a cubs,
Speaker 2: and she she charged that the vehicle. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: but she was maybe one hundred meters away. But you
Speaker 2: can clearly see a bear maybe three three hundred meters,
Speaker 2: you know, in the army, we we qualified three hundred
Speaker 2: meters away open side. You can tell that a person
Speaker 2: standing there, you know, so a big is not a bear.
Speaker 2: I could tell it the bear from maybe more than
Speaker 2: three hundred you know, maybe six hundred meters. I could
Speaker 2: clear to see, oh there's two bears over there, let's
Speaker 2: go take pictures of them, you know, and the bear
Speaker 2: was that the mom bear was you could tell was aggressive.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had two cubs I send the pictures. Also,
Speaker 2: this thing did not seem like that type of emotion.
Speaker 2: It was just more like my mom caught me. I
Speaker 2: hope she doesn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 3: Because the thing was facing the road, pretty much directly
Speaker 3: facing the road, and you came along the side of it.
Speaker 3: You saw it on the right hand side of the road.
Speaker 3: As you approached it. You got to see this thing
Speaker 3: from profile as from a profile perspective, as well as
Speaker 3: kind of face on in some ways when it was
Speaker 3: at the profile perspective, maybe at the time where you
Speaker 3: were still kind of what was that a stump or
Speaker 3: a bush? What is that? Right? Was it completely standing
Speaker 3: up straight or was it leaning forward at all? As
Speaker 3: we see a lot of depictions of sasquatch, So it.
Speaker 2: Was already kind of I don't want to say crowds
Speaker 2: because I don't want to make it seem like it
Speaker 2: was crouched on it. It was the knee that maybe
Speaker 2: six inches, you know, and its arms bent maybe four inches.
Speaker 2: Not It wasn't croshed on the floor. It was standing
Speaker 2: but slightly bent knees.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's how when I noticed. That's how I can
Speaker 2: tell you clearly. The mouth was not protruding like you
Speaker 2: see in a chimp or a gorilla. The mouth was
Speaker 2: very like it fit the face flat, flatter, you know,
Speaker 2: like a human, just slightly protrusion like a human, you know,
Speaker 2: not not from the side. And that's when I tell you.
Speaker 2: The bicep was, you know, like two of my thighs
Speaker 2: put together. Might have been its arm. It looked like
Speaker 2: a stump. So I don't know if it maybe it
Speaker 2: learned to, you know, people don't look at those trees.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, evolution, you know, maybe it
Speaker 2: learned to try and look like or people don't pay
Speaker 2: attention when it just stops and looks like a stump.
Speaker 2: But in my mind, I thought, this is trying to
Speaker 2: make it itself seem like it's just the part of
Speaker 2: the terrain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very very common reaction with all animals. Hey,
Speaker 3: Matt Prue, what's the name for that? What's the fancy
Speaker 3: name for that?
Speaker 1: You might be thinking about tonic immobility, But that's usually.
Speaker 3: Like that is what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the involuntary freezing response to fear. Versus something
Speaker 1: that is voluntary. You know, there are plenty of predators
Speaker 1: that will freeze in the face of anything moving around.
Speaker 1: Predators very often hunt prey animals that detect movement, and
Speaker 1: so in order for them to get closer to prey
Speaker 1: or allow prey to come closer to them, if their ambush,
Speaker 1: predators will freeze. So I think that's a really interesting
Speaker 1: insight into sasquatches, that maybe they're very key into movement
Speaker 1: because perhaps it is the case that they think if
Speaker 1: something's not moving, it can't be seen. I don't think
Speaker 1: sounds kind of anthropomorphic, but there might be some sort
Speaker 1: of like cognitive equation between those two well.
Speaker 3: And also something along those lines is that if and
Speaker 3: we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 3: think if their retinas are largely rods and not cones.
Speaker 3: You know, rods and cones are the two kinds of
Speaker 3: cells on your retina. Cones see color, and I always
Speaker 3: remember that because they both start with the sea and
Speaker 3: then rods see basically in black and white. Those are
Speaker 3: specifically for night vision, and we all kind of hypothesize
Speaker 3: as sasquatches have really good night vision, So it's entirely
Speaker 3: possible that the majority or a lot of the extra
Speaker 3: cells on the back of the eye to cover the
Speaker 3: retina would be rods. Those are also motion detectors more
Speaker 3: so than detail detectors, so to speak, so they are
Speaker 3: designed to detect movements, so that might be part of
Speaker 3: their evolutionary makeup, if my guess about the retinal makeup
Speaker 3: is correct.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it just perfectly still, like you know, like
Speaker 2: a deer in a headlights will look, but except there
Speaker 2: wasn't it positioned. It looked like it just positioned its
Speaker 2: legs closed, you know, perfectly. It wasn't midstride or anything.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't I didn't catch it half motion or anything.
Speaker 2: I think it already had seen me, and it just said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna stop and you know, pertend on
Speaker 2: a tree or whatever. You know, however they think And
Speaker 2: that's no, it didn't seem aggressive. It didn't seem non aggressive.
Speaker 2: It just seemed like part of the landscape, like which
Speaker 2: I assume as what it was trying to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it could be an involuntary response.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: What's really interesting, Irving, is that there was a witness
Speaker 1: that I interviewed in my hometown that I brought Cliff
Speaker 1: and Bobo to interview as well for the television series.
Speaker 1: And she saw one crossing a road and caught it
Speaker 1: as it was crossing sort of a similar thing, but
Speaker 1: it was a paved road. But she was coming over
Speaker 1: a rise and starting to come down the hill as
Speaker 1: it was like mid crossing, and when her headlights hit it,
Speaker 1: she freaked out appropriately so and slammed on the brakes,
Speaker 1: and it froze and stood there like a statue, even
Speaker 1: though it was fully illuminated by the car's headlights and
Speaker 1: standing out in the open on the road. It stayed
Speaker 1: totally frozen until she came to a halt, and then
Speaker 1: it turned and looked at her and kept moving. So
Speaker 1: it could be an involuntary response too.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what would I say that I'm just telling.
Speaker 2: I'm telling y'all right now, that that's what it seemed
Speaker 2: like like. I think if I would have stayed there
Speaker 2: and turned, then it would have made a motion like
Speaker 2: to turn and walk away. That's what it seemed like,
Speaker 2: like do I go? Do I not go? You know?
Speaker 2: Is the time? No, I think it was still thinking
Speaker 2: what to do. But that's exactly how I describe it
Speaker 2: like that what you just said, where my headlights hit
Speaker 2: it and it just you know, stopped, and it was
Speaker 2: pondering if this thing stops in front of me I'm
Speaker 2: running or whatever, and it just I didn't stop. I
Speaker 2: was just going, you know, a little bit more than
Speaker 2: a walking pace, you know, three to six miles an hour.
Speaker 2: And it probably breathed the sigh of relief when we
Speaker 2: didn't stop. You know, it was probably scared, like we
Speaker 2: were scared of it. It was probably scared of us.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after these messages. Well, when you
Speaker 3: look at the map, you know, Matt money Maker supply
Speaker 3: the GPS coordinates on his BFRO report and for anybody listening,
Speaker 3: the report number is seven seven six one zero. The
Speaker 3: GPS coordinates are right in there. You can type it
Speaker 3: into Google Maps. If it was traveling from the northeast
Speaker 3: to the southwest, it had just crossed a pretty wide
Speaker 3: area one hundred yards or more of fairly open terrain
Speaker 3: heading to the trees. And it also looks like there's
Speaker 3: some little topography over there with a little maybe a
Speaker 3: dry creek bed or whatever, you know, that sort of place.
Speaker 2: There's a dreak bed in between the meadle. There's a
Speaker 2: dry creek bed, but at that time it had a
Speaker 2: little bit of water because it was drizzling. So there's
Speaker 2: a creek bed. And like I said, it's maybe what
Speaker 2: fifty acres you can see of open metal.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you caught it at the end of
Speaker 3: its It's probably pretty stressful to cross a big open
Speaker 3: area like that getting close to the road, heard the
Speaker 3: car coming and froze up or something. It's just a
Speaker 3: you know, speculation.
Speaker 2: I was Jesse. And also because like I said, I
Speaker 2: only saw that one vehicle and it was you know,
Speaker 2: fifty to seventy miles at the beginning of the trail,
Speaker 2: I didn't see any other human, any other vehicle or
Speaker 2: dirt bike atv horse, you know, just cattle bears and
Speaker 2: the local you know, elk deer. I didn't see any
Speaker 2: and the sun had just gone down. So I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're an animal, you know what's the best you know,
Speaker 2: the some went down, Let me cross this dangerous thing
Speaker 2: and I'll be on the other side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it had made its way to the trees
Speaker 3: and then froze. You would have never noticed.
Speaker 2: Nope, not at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just didn't change its defensive tactics, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that'll work anywhere.
Speaker 2: There's no way that I was stopping in front of it.
Speaker 2: I don't care if I got the biggest you know,
Speaker 2: camera and production crew. The this thing was massive. I
Speaker 2: can't even say that word.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just that it was very proportionate. It wasn't
Speaker 2: out of proportion where it had a big head or
Speaker 2: a big chest and you know, the legs. Everything was
Speaker 2: just a proportionate animal like.
Speaker 3: Perfect, perfectly designed for what they do. Excellent.
Speaker 2: Yes, and my kid now he bought a night vision camera.
Speaker 2: He wants to you know, he wants to drone. He's
Speaker 2: kind of because I told him, I thought you were
Speaker 2: a big shot, thought you were gonna get your camera
Speaker 2: out and recorded we saw something, you know. But the
Speaker 2: same thing is like it was scary. It's like we
Speaker 2: need a drone to see it from far away, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be near it again.
Speaker 5: That was the perfect spot for a drone. Yeah, that
Speaker 5: was the first thing I thought when I saw it.
Speaker 5: I was like that this is where drones or could
Speaker 5: be really useful in this kind of terrain.
Speaker 3: That, of course, the last thing you'd be thinking about
Speaker 3: in such a unexpected situation is pulling out your iPhone
Speaker 3: to snap a picture of it.
Speaker 5: Yes, if you had one of those you know cameras
Speaker 5: like you mount up in your windshield like a little
Speaker 5: recording camera.
Speaker 4: If you get what has showed up or was it
Speaker 4: too dark and off off the side of the road.
Speaker 2: It would have shown up perfectly. We bought one already
Speaker 2: for the second time away and the third time.
Speaker 5: That's how it goes. As soon as you see one,
Speaker 5: then you get it. No, you're prepared. You'll never see
Speaker 5: one that closer again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was telling your producer. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I live down here with brushland in South Texas.
Speaker 2: It's just brushland. I was like, the only you know,
Speaker 2: kind of scary legend we have is Zayorna, you know,
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm of Mexican descent. So I was like,
Speaker 2: that's how we scare our children and I to go
Speaker 2: to sleep. You know, Yourna's coming for you. So we
Speaker 2: don't have that at least here in South South Texas.
Speaker 2: You know, like there's a you know, a giant ape
Speaker 2: out there. Humanoid thing. So it was quite the experience.
Speaker 3: So as you drove away from the site, I don't
Speaker 3: suppose you looked in your rear view mirror.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was already dark behind me, and I
Speaker 2: was just focused on, like, you know, we got to
Speaker 2: get some distance between us. Yeah, I mean it was not. No,
Speaker 2: Like I said, no matter what, you're not, you're not
Speaker 2: You're not prepared to get punched in the face. You know,
Speaker 2: your whole plan changes.
Speaker 3: You're now better equipped. You've put a couple thousand miles
Speaker 3: under your tires going back to the side at least twice.
Speaker 3: How else has your life changed? It all now that
Speaker 3: you've had a up close and person with one of
Speaker 3: these creators.
Speaker 2: Well, now that I now that. When I come from
Speaker 2: the second time, I told everybody. I told my wife
Speaker 2: and I I was telling you my wife and I.
Speaker 2: We own a hospice down here in South Texas, and
Speaker 2: I told all the employees everybody, and most of them
Speaker 2: are because they know me. They're like, yeah, I believe you,
Speaker 2: I believe you. I was like, yes, why would I lie?
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't even tell you all the
Speaker 2: first time I told. I waited till I knew there
Speaker 2: wasn't anything there, so I tell now, I tell everybody.
Speaker 2: And I've always been into you know, hunting and fishing
Speaker 2: and camping and stuff, you know, everywhere. So now my
Speaker 2: son bought the night vision binoculars, is getting the drone,
Speaker 2: so he's prepared more than I am. I was like,
Speaker 2: let's go, We're going to go back in fall break.
Speaker 2: We're going to go back and actually try to stay
Speaker 2: there at the spot to camp. I was like, let's
Speaker 2: just stay there and put a camera up on the
Speaker 2: tree and see if anything comes at night to wonder
Speaker 2: what we're doing there. I've been reading more than I
Speaker 2: used to because I've always, you know, been interested in it,
Speaker 2: and but now I know. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: in New Mexico, and when I went out to the BFRO,
Speaker 2: I didn't see too many sightings in New Mexico. So
Speaker 2: that's why I was like, could I have even seen it?
Speaker 2: There's not that many sightings in New Mexico, you know,
Speaker 2: but Matt said they had they had some recent sightings
Speaker 2: close to there, and they're actually going to go there
Speaker 2: to reserve New Mexico close to the trail to check
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in New Mexico, and
Speaker 3: the stuff that's on the public BFRO page, the stuff
Speaker 3: that you get to see or any of the public
Speaker 3: it's to see, it's a very very it's a very
Speaker 3: small percentage of what's actually out there, because maybe Matt
Speaker 3: just doesn't have a lot of investigators there right now,
Speaker 3: or maybe they're not interested in publishing and that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff. So there's a lot of factors that go
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 2: He called I think because he said, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm there's it's great that you posted this because we've
Speaker 2: had recent sightings here close to there in the forest
Speaker 2: in New Mexico and we're setting up a thing and
Speaker 2: then you come in do your you know, and foremost
Speaker 2: of this. So now you know, he got more pumped up,
Speaker 2: like you know, another person's coming out of New Mexico
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, so I think Matt got really
Speaker 2: pumped up where you know, I'm kind of corroborating the
Speaker 2: whoever told him the previous you know sightings there.
Speaker 5: Matth a fantastic article on sasquatch faces and how they've
Speaker 5: changed over time, and you got you gotta really inspired
Speaker 5: to get that out there that you're citing, yes.
Speaker 2: And that's what I told him. And then he had
Speaker 2: sent me the picture of the McLean statue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the McLaren uh huh Claren.
Speaker 2: I googled it. I couldn't. I couldn't find out my Google.
Speaker 2: But he sent me one and uh, and then he
Speaker 2: sent me another one. He said, what, like, you know,
Speaker 2: what would you change? I was like, if you crossed
Speaker 2: the mass of that McLaren statue with more humanoid features
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other one was from Lauren Coleman's
Speaker 1: main museum as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, that one. I was like, if you add the
Speaker 2: mass of the wooden statue to this, you know, and
Speaker 2: the facial features kind of more of the wooden one.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's what I saw, like across you know.
Speaker 2: But then I think, the you see a gorilla, it
Speaker 2: looks different from the next gorilla, you know, like if
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, if we assume that it's like
Speaker 2: an eighth actual animal eight you know, even like you know,
Speaker 2: a lion has masculine features, and the you know alien
Speaker 2: as female, you know, feminine. And that's what I told
Speaker 2: Matt was this thing had very masculine features. Like there's
Speaker 2: no way this was a female of that species.
Speaker 3: Well, I love the fact that you're going to be
Speaker 3: going back there, and of course you have my number.
Speaker 3: If anything cool happens out there, I'd love to hear
Speaker 3: about it when you do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to see now. I know you can
Speaker 2: just buy casting stuff. My wife said from you know,
Speaker 2: like some some supply store. I was like, if I
Speaker 2: had a casting I would have casted that.
Speaker 3: They might still be out there. Prince lasts in the
Speaker 3: ground quite a long time, They're probably still some sign
Speaker 3: of them out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this time we're prepared. We're getting you know,
Speaker 2: hiking put on your hiking boots and water and some
Speaker 2: casting to cast anything that I see and you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're going to go back out in October
Speaker 2: during their fall break. So I'll let you all know.
Speaker 2: I mean, as long as it doesn't get too close
Speaker 2: to me, you know, I'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Beggars can't be choose reserving. Yeah, all right, Well, unless
Speaker 3: there's any other last minute questions, I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time coming on, But will you have
Speaker 3: anything else before we split?
Speaker 5: No, it's cool, man, I'm glad you're going back and
Speaker 5: I hope you got a drone chickuse that looks like
Speaker 5: a great spot for a drone.
Speaker 2: Yes, my kid is hooked now. My kid, even though
Speaker 2: he was very scared, he's like, we have to get
Speaker 2: a picture huckemn. But he's got a clear picture of it.
Speaker 2: Like I was like, because they're scared. There, it was
Speaker 2: not the way you were scared. Is what happens to
Speaker 2: most people.
Speaker 4: He knows why. He's one of the people that didn't exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I told him. I thought you were going
Speaker 2: to get a picture of anything like No. And he
Speaker 2: has a camera, a Nikon, expensive camera because he takes
Speaker 2: pictures of through his telescope of the planets and stuff,
Speaker 2: so he has a big camera already. I was like,
Speaker 2: what happened to your big camera? Nothing, you know, So
Speaker 2: we did have that camera on board that we could
Speaker 2: have got, you know, a Nikon with extended lens and everything.
Speaker 2: But it's just your brain cannot comprehend. I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you know, if you've seen one,
Speaker 2: you know your brain doesn't comprehend you know what it is.
Speaker 2: Because I can see a zebra here downtown, you know,
Speaker 2: say Houston, and be like, oh, that's a zebra. I
Speaker 2: know it doesn't belong to Houston, but I know it's
Speaker 2: a zebra because I've watched you know, Animal Planet and Discovery,
Speaker 2: you know, but this animal cannot comprehend it no matter
Speaker 2: where you see it.
Speaker 3: Very interesting, Well, that irving man, thank you so much
Speaker 3: for coming on and sharing your encounter with us. I
Speaker 3: know our listener is going to love this. And you
Speaker 3: got such a good, close and fairly extended look at
Speaker 3: this thing. And most sightings happen over a period of
Speaker 3: time maybe a second or two, maybe three, but you
Speaker 3: had five or eight seconds of looking at this thing.
Speaker 3: You could have practically reached out and kissed it. And
Speaker 3: you in your floodlights, you know, on top of it all.
Speaker 3: So it's just fantastic. So thank you very much for
Speaker 3: being generous with your time and in your experience.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is luck. Maybe we'll have a better picture
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 5: You've probably better off just saving all that gas when
Speaker 5: you investigated a good thermal instead of driving one thousand
Speaker 5: miles each weather, there's stuff much closer to where you live.
Speaker 2: Yes, we got a thermal, we got a thermal camera.
Speaker 3: You're hooked. Well, good luck with that man, come back,
Speaker 3: come back and get us a picture.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will. I'll be out there like you all,
Speaker 2: trying to get a picture and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Good luck, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Derbie, Well, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and and your story is fantastic account. If
Speaker 3: there's nothing else, Bobs, you want to get us out.
Speaker 4: Of here, all right? Thanks serving and good luck in
Speaker 4: the future. We hope to hear back for you that
Speaker 4: you got some evidence.
Speaker 5: Until then, folks, y'all, don's do keep it squatchy.
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