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<v Speaker 1>Big food and be on.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bubo.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys are your favorites, so like Shay subscribe and raid.

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<v Speaker 2>It five star and me listening watching lim always keep

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Cliff, Hello, Hello Bobo?

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<v Speaker 4>How you doing man? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>There?

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<v Speaker 3>Seems to be some sort of lag on your side?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I guessing that correctly?

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<v Speaker 4>Or no, you're lugging? Now you're forward, You're you're jumping time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm playing ahead of the beat as musicians say,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, fair enough, good enough, I'm good man. How

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<v Speaker 3>are you doing everything? Good?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I got out out to Bluff and checked it

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<v Speaker 4>outut there. I was out there with Polly.

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<v Speaker 5>We went down and he got We went all the

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<v Speaker 5>way to the film site this time, so that was cool.

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<v Speaker 4>We were the only people that we saw out there good.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything new going on out there?

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<v Speaker 5>And well, they dumped a ton of money into the

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<v Speaker 5>roads out there, and like the go roads, like they've

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<v Speaker 5>been patching it and like just clearing it. And then

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<v Speaker 5>when you have twelve and twelve to teven thirteen out there,

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<v Speaker 5>they've made those like they're not paying, but they're just

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<v Speaker 5>as beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>As they could either. They've widened them, I mean they

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's really nicely and they've opened gates they never

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<v Speaker 4>open before, and cleared roads hadn't closed.

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<v Speaker 5>They haven't cleared in like twenty years, ten fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Really really any important roads that I'd be interested in

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<v Speaker 3>knowing about.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, keep those on the DL Okay, fair enough, Yet,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you I'll tell you off.

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<v Speaker 5>The tales of woe and destruction were highly exaggerated, like

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<v Speaker 5>it was not that bad at all, Like what I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I actually I was hearing like Moonscape, and when you're

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<v Speaker 5>down the film site, you can't even see where it came,

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<v Speaker 5>how close it came.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just looks the same.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, it was cleoling up the platform still built that

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<v Speaker 5>survived the Winner.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess maybe it's a new one. But they got

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<v Speaker 4>the platform there, and they got the like the blue

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<v Speaker 4>little flags where Roger.

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<v Speaker 5>Was filming from like at certain points of the where

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<v Speaker 5>and then then I got the whatever pink red flags

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<v Speaker 5>out for where Patty was walking, so you can actually

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<v Speaker 5>see where Roger was he stopping film locations and where

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<v Speaker 5>Patty was at those certain times.

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<v Speaker 3>Very good. And uh and Laired Meadow is all good

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<v Speaker 3>as well. That I heard it got pretty close to

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<v Speaker 3>that side, am I am? I correct?

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<v Speaker 4>Or now yeah it did, I mean, but it was,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we didn't look out through the drone, like,

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't have a drone, so I don't know what

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<v Speaker 5>it looked like. You know how they can get your

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<v Speaker 5>view shot that you could see howard any hundreds of

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<v Speaker 5>yards up or whatever you can see or maybe some

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<v Speaker 5>places you can only see that forty feet but where.

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<v Speaker 4>Places are just visible from the road. It wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a few chunks were you know, burnt out,

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<v Speaker 5>but Laird looked pretty good overall. And uh, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 5>they opened up some roads up there, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>just it was I wish we had more time to

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<v Speaker 5>the other we had to get back.

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<v Speaker 4>That kind of blew. But we're going to go back

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<v Speaker 4>out there in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 5>And we got some will we found some a drawn,

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<v Speaker 5>we got a truckload of firewood. So that was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like it was a farwood mission with some squatching involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, And so you went in the go road and

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<v Speaker 3>went out the fish Lake road, or did you go

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<v Speaker 3>back out the go road as well.

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<v Speaker 4>We just we were in a hurriss who went out

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<v Speaker 4>that go road?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? Very good, very good. Yeah, well, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>probably would. I don't want to take too much time

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out. Nothing personal, but I'm really interested in bluff

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<v Speaker 3>of course. But we have a fantastic guest today, so

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we should hop to that. How do you feel

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<v Speaker 3>about that?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that'd be fantastic. Okay, No, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Bobba, we have a fantastic guest today. I briefly

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<v Speaker 3>spoke to this gentleman on the phone. I didn't hear

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of his encounter because I want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>it for the first time on the air with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Course, I know the basics. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of us know the basics, of course, because Moneymaker Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Moneymaker interviewed this this extensively and he was kind enough

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<v Speaker 3>to give us access to the witness. So thank you, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>Really really appreciate that. Good friend. And well, let's just

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<v Speaker 3>jump into it. So our guest today is Irving Aguilera.

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<v Speaker 3>Irving and his son saw a sasquatch. But God, don't don't,

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<v Speaker 3>let's not listen to me. Let's listen to Irving. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond Irving.

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<v Speaker 3>We appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, how's it going good?

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<v Speaker 4>Good? Thanks for coming so Irving.

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<v Speaker 3>You know again I mentioned just a second ago, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know a whole lot about your sightings. I know

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<v Speaker 3>the basics, but let's just do this. You live in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>This was on some sort of trip to California. Set

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<v Speaker 3>it up for us. Tell us what you were doing

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<v Speaker 3>in the wilds of New Mexico right or it was

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<v Speaker 3>at Arizona. It was New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in New Mexico, Yeah, Gila National Forest. So I

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<v Speaker 2>live in Texas. My zip code seven eight five five

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<v Speaker 2>two zip code you know, Haringen McCallum, Brownsville area. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is about one thousand and fifty miles from where

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<v Speaker 2>my sighting occurred. I was supposed to go to California.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been going to California for the last three years

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<v Speaker 2>to Sequoya. Well, been taking my kids and stuff, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a beautiful part of the country. So

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<v Speaker 2>I went a week early because I got a call

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<v Speaker 2>we had to pick up a rescue dog. My wife

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<v Speaker 2>and I had rescued some dogs, you know, a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and the family couldn't take care of it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, you know what, I'll take off.

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<v Speaker 2>It was literally overnight. I was like, I'll take off

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<v Speaker 2>me and Easton is my son. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just go tomorrow. So we left on June twenty

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<v Speaker 2>ninth for the dog. So I was like, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not coming back next week, so it might as well

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<v Speaker 2>go off roading. I have. Me and my son weren't

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<v Speaker 2>off roading, you know, we here, we go on the

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<v Speaker 2>beach and stuff. So I have a twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>f one fifty Raptor with the thirty five inch tires,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is going to come into play because of

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<v Speaker 2>the height of my vehicle. That way, you know, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>can google how high is a f one fifty Raptor.

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<v Speaker 2>So we left on June twenty ninth in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it to Las Cruces, New Mexico, just outside

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<v Speaker 2>of a passo and we stayed there for the night.

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<v Speaker 2>And my son has this app called the on X Road,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, well, find you know, there's mountains here,

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<v Speaker 2>find some find a trail and we can just go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, off roading in the mountains or whatever. So

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<v Speaker 2>he happened to click on this trail. It's called the

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<v Speaker 2>Chloride Trail, and it's out of Chloride, New Mexico. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe forty miles west of a Truth or Consequences

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<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico. That would be the starting point. So

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<v Speaker 2>on June thirty, if you know, we did little rounds

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<v Speaker 2>around there and we headed for the trail. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to the beginning of the trail at about fourteen thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>two thirty PM. I was in the army, so I

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<v Speaker 2>might say twenty one thirty or something. So we started

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<v Speaker 2>trail on fourteen thirty. And it's pretty rough trail, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>averages five to seven miles per hour on the truck

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<v Speaker 2>because just big rocks and stuff, and we're just cruising by,

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<v Speaker 2>not taking I'm not from there, so I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>it was gonna take us this long to finish the trail.

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<v Speaker 2>So we saw two bear, a cinnamon colored and a black,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were within one hundred yards of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I have pictures of that, I think I said them

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<v Speaker 2>to Matt. So we saw two bears, We saw elk,

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of elk, gear, squirrels, pretty much. I guess every

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<v Speaker 2>will animal you can see in New Mexico, we saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw only one vehicle all day. It was It

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<v Speaker 2>was a Toyota truck the Tacoma and then had a

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<v Speaker 2>camping tent on top. And now we saw within three

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<v Speaker 2>miles of the beginning of the trail, mile seventy of

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<v Speaker 2>the trail. About miles seventy is where I saw the Sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about twenty one thirty that they had been drizzling, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It was about twenty one thirty. It had just got dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It was still some you know in the background, you

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<v Speaker 2>can still see something. And my four fog lights were on.

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<v Speaker 2>My headlights were on. And if you go to the cordence,

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<v Speaker 2>I gave y'all, if we're coming from the north east

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a change in elevation where you see a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of trees that cover the trail on the satellite,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a change of elevation. So I assume after that,

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<v Speaker 2>compose myself that it hadn't seen as we came through

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<v Speaker 2>the elevation change, and we moved a couple hundred you know, meters,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a tree, a big whatever grows in New

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico on the Rosa Pine maybe I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>actual pine species there, and behind the tree about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five feet on the side of the road maybe. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I told you, if my kid had a mop out

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<v Speaker 2>the window, he could have slapped it. That's how close

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Was this giant figure, you know figure it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the proportion of this was perfect. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like when you see an NBA player that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to some Santonio Spurs game. You see the

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<v Speaker 2>other lanky you know, they're they're not great proportion. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was exact proportion. It was. The proportion of

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was this thing can flip my truck over

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<v Speaker 2>like that's how massive it was. Back to my truck,

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<v Speaker 2>my truck is six and a half feet from the

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<v Speaker 2>floor to the roof of my truck. And then there

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<v Speaker 2>was about a fourteen eighteen inch drop on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the trail where it was slightly like its legs

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<v Speaker 2>were slightly bent, and then it was about maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>foot over my truck, so maybe eight feet. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume this thing to be and my son

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<v Speaker 2>looks at me. We're going maybe three to five miles

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. So if you get in your vehicle, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>three to five miles, that's how long you have to

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<v Speaker 2>see it, which is a long time, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>four or five six seconds. You know, it wasn't quick.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a quick sighting where like, oh, who was that?

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<v Speaker 2>My son turns around and look at me, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like fear, like he's like did you see

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<v Speaker 2>that that? And in my mind I'm still trying to comprehend, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, did I like did I really see this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yes, I saw that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I saw it like clear, I saw it. Its

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<v Speaker 2>mouth clear, it's it's it's nose, and it's The biceps

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<v Speaker 2>on this thing were about a little bit bigger than

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<v Speaker 2>my thigh, which I'm almost five eleven, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds guy. I mean, just the sheer mass of

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was intimidating, you know, truly, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to fit my truck over it could

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<v Speaker 2>was it was long haired, about maybe six inches each,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the hairline it was tangled, so tangled that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like dreadlocks. And then it was dark colored

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<v Speaker 2>black with gray like I guess, you know, like a

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<v Speaker 2>grain when your dog starts getting the gray hairs on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the bottom of its chin and stuff. The

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<v Speaker 2>dreadlock looking hair was was already turning gray, like I

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<v Speaker 2>could see that its face was like because its face

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<v Speaker 2>really made an impression on me, like there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>that you could say, you know, this was like a human,

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<v Speaker 2>but it had human features. Like I always hear people, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't they just kill one. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you could shoot it, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>looks too human for you to be. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna kill this thing just to show people. Except the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer size, you know, we don't see a human, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eight ten foot tall. You know, it looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>a bench, you know, a thousand pounds. So the face

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<v Speaker 2>was it wasn't very dark the face. It wasn't black

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<v Speaker 2>like the like a gorilla. I just compared to a gorilla.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't black like a gorilla. It was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>get burnt, like really burnt, you know, over years, we

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<v Speaker 2>that that color like we're you know, not a black tone,

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<v Speaker 2>but not a light not a brown tone kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in between that was the skin. And the skin was

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<v Speaker 2>like when you see an old woman or an old

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<v Speaker 2>man that's you know, one hundred years old that has

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<v Speaker 2>worked out in the like in the field and the

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<v Speaker 2>ranching farming, and they have that leathery, tough skin. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the what the skin looked like, like leathery

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<v Speaker 2>texture like wife kids. So I compare stuff to like Disney,

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<v Speaker 2>like a cocoa the grandmother that that she has that

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<v Speaker 2>leathery type looking skin. That's what his skin looked like

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<v Speaker 2>from the Disney movie. And the mouth was wide, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't protruding like a gorilla where or a chimp. You

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<v Speaker 2>know how the eyes and the nose are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>flat on the chimp or a gorilla and then the

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<v Speaker 2>mouth kind of protrudes out like on a profile picture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the mouth was kind of flush, like a flush like

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<v Speaker 2>a human ish you know, humanoid flush with its face.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a protruding like if you took a profile,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been protruding. It was just massive and

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<v Speaker 2>like it didn't have a human Oh it's smiling or

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<v Speaker 2>it's angry or you know, like human emotional look. It

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<v Speaker 2>just had like a you know, it's just an animal,

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<v Speaker 2>a creature.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 3>Bogo will be right back after these messages. So three

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<v Speaker 3>to six months doesn't seem like a long time right

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<v Speaker 3>in bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been

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<v Speaker 3>six months? But I'm going to give me six months,

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<v Speaker 3>go squatching squat of course, of course, And how much

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<v Speaker 3>do you think is going to get done during that time?

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<v Speaker 3>In squatching you're gonna see one in six months? Probably not,

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<v Speaker 3>But in three to six months, what you can see

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<v Speaker 2>My son and I continue, we're like and we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it. It was like it was a bush. It

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<v Speaker 2>had to be a bush, like what you know. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Cliff didn't hear the story that much, but I told

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<v Speaker 2>I told him three things. I was like, Cliff, if

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<v Speaker 2>you had told me I saw gorilla, my mind would

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<v Speaker 2>have said yes. If you told me that I saw

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<v Speaker 2>Neanderthal caveman that was just trapped here in time, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have said yes. If you told me I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a Native American shaman with a big buffalo skin and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff ghost from the past, I would have said yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how screwed up my mind was at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like of like my mind just trying to comprehend, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and so my you know, we left we went to

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<v Speaker 2>the Grand Canyon, then went towards Utah and we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about it, my son, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it could be a treeless stump, because as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's there. So we did see blacked out stumps,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from the forest fires, as you see anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>else in you know, in the out west. So we went,

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<v Speaker 2>we picked up the dog, and we came back. That

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<v Speaker 2>was June thirtieth, the siding. So I came back or

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell anybody but my wife and one of

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<v Speaker 2>my cousins because it sounds crazy. I mean, I've known

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<v Speaker 2>about the Sasquatch Bigfoot, you know, I've followed it for years.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I even had the little Bigfoot monster truck.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when I was a kid. That was probably

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<v Speaker 2>how everybody gets you know, my age would get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the bigfoot? You know, all the monster truck.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we talked about my son. I told my wife

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<v Speaker 2>my wife would leave me, and my son was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I was like, But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that's what it is. You know, I was telling

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<v Speaker 2>my wife. I'm not saying it was. I'm saying I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just telling you what I saw. I'm not telling you

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<v Speaker 2>that it was this or that, and we couldn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't sleep for about less than two weeks. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I was like, what if it was a stump?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just imagining stuff. So on on July nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>my son and I was, let's go, we gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>There has to be a stump there. So we went.

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<v Speaker 2>We we woke up that morning, I was like, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>We left, We packed some stuff. I was like, we're leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't take it anymore, not knowing there's a stump there.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I tell anybody, you know, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell somebody and then they go, there, oh there's a stump.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just went out of the blue again. My

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<v Speaker 2>son I. On July nineteenth, we went and it took

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<v Speaker 2>us the same about a day to get there. And

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<v Speaker 2>on July twentieth, we as soon as we were crossing

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<v Speaker 2>the tree line again, and I'll tell you that had

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<v Speaker 2>the elevation change. My heart was like I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I felt more confused because in my mind there was

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<v Speaker 2>always that it was a stump. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a stump, or it was a giant bush and so

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<v Speaker 2>I had already convinced myself that, you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>for you don't want to be disappointed. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a stump. Probably, let's let's just go.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do some other trails. And as soon as we

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<v Speaker 2>came over with elevation change and I saw there's only

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<v Speaker 2>one tree in that metal, There's only one tree, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was there standing next to the tree, and that

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed it for me. I was like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>like So we went to the exact spot where we

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<v Speaker 2>saw it and we walked around and that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>found what looks like a print. And I wear a

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<v Speaker 2>size eleven shoe, so that's a size eleven, hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>on that picture. And I mean to me, it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like you can see some toe imprints, you know, on there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's way bigger than my shoe. And then what

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<v Speaker 2>are the chances that I pull up to a spot

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<v Speaker 2>that there would be a footprint, you know, out of

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere in the United States, I show up to the

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<v Speaker 2>spot and there's what appears to be a footprint.

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<v Speaker 5>But Manna Baggers posted all the photos you sent him

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<v Speaker 5>and the map tatailing where you were, and all that

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<v Speaker 5>you can shit it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And where the print is, there's other prints because

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<v Speaker 2>it had been drizzling that that day all day, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's other prints, just there's no bear prints there the bear.

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<v Speaker 2>We did see the bear maybe like straight air as

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<v Speaker 2>the crow flies. About five miles away, we saw a giant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, two black bears, one black ones and them

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<v Speaker 2>in the bigger bears. And then there is a game

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<v Speaker 2>trail where where the sighting was. There is a game

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<v Speaker 2>trail that goes the meadows, maybe fifty acres if you

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<v Speaker 2>can see it on the picture, about fifty acre meadow.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I saw that. I when I made

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<v Speaker 2>my little it was trying. It was crossing the meadow

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<v Speaker 2>from west to east, and we came over the elevation

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<v Speaker 2>changed on the northeast side, and it had nowhere to go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I think it's just pretending to be

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<v Speaker 2>a stump. Its arms were bent, I mean, and its

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<v Speaker 2>knees were bent. Its arms were at least as long

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<v Speaker 2>as it's its knees where it's hands worth, and its

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<v Speaker 2>hands were kind of crawled up so I couldn't see

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<v Speaker 2>the nails or fingers, and it stood perfectly still like

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<v Speaker 2>a statue and it kind of looked down cut, and

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<v Speaker 2>the hair was covered covering its eyes, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>a like a one of those shaggy dogs. The hair

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<v Speaker 2>was covering its eyes, so I could see its nose.

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<v Speaker 2>Its nose was like a huge, perfect triangle. But it

419
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like a gorilla where it has the nostrils giant

420
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<v Speaker 2>like up like it pretty much when you see a gorilla,

421
00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to me, it looks like it has a circular nostril

422
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>pointing at you. It wasn't that type of nose. It

423
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:29.319
<v Speaker 2>was a giant triangle and the nose would be between

424
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<v Speaker 2>a human and a like a gorilla, like like if

425
00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.720
<v Speaker 2>you could do halfway in between. That's what the nose

426
00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.519
<v Speaker 2>look like. And like I said, it was leathery skinned,

427
00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:43.640
<v Speaker 2>like leathery looking. And its chest, that's the first thing.

428
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.079
<v Speaker 2>My son is like, did you see the size of

429
00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.279
<v Speaker 2>his chest? He said, it looked like two football players

430
00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.640
<v Speaker 2>put together. And this thing was probably still bigger, you know,

431
00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and he compares it. He plays basketball football, so he's like,

432
00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was probably you know, almost as tall as

433
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<v Speaker 2>our basketball who tar basketball hoop is about nine foot

434
00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>at home. You know, it's not a ten foot like

435
00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.680
<v Speaker 2>NBA and that's what he compares it to the size,

436
00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know what, it makes sense

437
00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.640
<v Speaker 2>because there is about a fourteen inch drop from the

438
00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:15.559
<v Speaker 2>road to where it would have been standing. Plus the

439
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:17.720
<v Speaker 2>height of my truck six and a half feet. You know,

440
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.559
<v Speaker 2>that puts it around there maybe eight foot, and it

441
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<v Speaker 2>had I mean just what stuck with me was the mouth,

442
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the nose, and the hair. If you get your long

443
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.279
<v Speaker 2>haired dog and it gets all mad at first, that's

444
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.039
<v Speaker 2>what it looked like, just very coarse and the grayish

445
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 2>could have been the grayish could have been mud or

446
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:38.920
<v Speaker 2>something on it, but it definitely had a grayish color

447
00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.759
<v Speaker 2>on top of most of the black hair. And then

448
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<v Speaker 2>I went back I once I confirmed, I went back

449
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the next weekend to show my wife. I was like,

450
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.759
<v Speaker 2>just so you know that I'm not crazy, like we're going.

451
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.400
<v Speaker 2>So we went back July twenty eighth with my wife.

452
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, right here, this is where we saw it.

453
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<v Speaker 2>You see there's nothing around. You're my witness, there's no

454
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<v Speaker 2>stumps or anything.

455
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<v Speaker 4>After one thousand miles to go see that with you.

456
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was profound.

457
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, that's.

458
00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, correct three times. So it went three times. The

459
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.519
<v Speaker 2>first time, I after the second time that I confirmed,

460
00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I told everybody. I was like, I'm gonna tell everybody

461
00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:16.839
<v Speaker 2>there's no I was like, you want a fact check me.

462
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:19.039
<v Speaker 2>This is the coordinate. I went there, I stood there

463
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 2>that that's the coordinate. You know, go look at it,

464
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to see the game trail. You can

465
00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>see you know, you might find some prints there. There's

466
00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a game trail, there's how to get there. You can

467
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.400
<v Speaker 2>see the pine forest on both sides of the mountains.

468
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.680
<v Speaker 2>The elevation was a little over seven thousand feet. You know,

469
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.799
<v Speaker 2>because I know a lot of I thought, like I

470
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.599
<v Speaker 2>guess most people probably assume that New Mexico's just desert dry. No,

471
00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:48.319
<v Speaker 2>there's streams, there's lakes up there, there's pine forest on

472
00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.240
<v Speaker 2>both you know, about probably six thousand elevations you get

473
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.799
<v Speaker 2>into the pine forest. This was at seven thousand elevation.

474
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.519
<v Speaker 2>The temperature was probably you know, seventy five degrees and

475
00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.839
<v Speaker 2>one hundred down In last cruises.

476
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<v Speaker 5>Did you check out do you have any of those

477
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.720
<v Speaker 5>ranches where you hit the pavement right there where the

478
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.920
<v Speaker 5>trail ends on the pavement you did you knock any.

479
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 4>Of those doors those ranchers right there.

480
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Know those that one that you see about maybe a

481
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 2>couple of miles a few miles to the what is

482
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.160
<v Speaker 2>it southwest that it's just like a horse bark. There's

483
00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:25.079
<v Speaker 2>the horses out there with a barn and you can't

484
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>go in there because they're fenced off.

485
00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 4>There's a nice lake there too.

486
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you can see why that would be in

487
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.319
<v Speaker 5>that area because there's that's like the biggest water source

488
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:34.759
<v Speaker 5>for miles and miles and miles around.

489
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and there is cattle. There's cows out there, you know,

490
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>the with the grazing, the BLM grazing and stuff. There

491
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 2>is cattle. So because I was like, how could something

492
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 2>live like this? You know if there weighs fifteen hundred pounds.

493
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a bull walking byway, you know, weighing

494
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>eighteen hundred pounds even off the grass up there. So

495
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure it can. Something can survive that big.

496
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.160
<v Speaker 3>So it was just standing or was it squatting or

497
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.240
<v Speaker 3>somewhere in between ten feet from the trail.

498
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 1>It was.

499
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.759
<v Speaker 2>It was just the knees were slightly bent and its

500
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 2>arms were curled. His hands were crawled and his arms

501
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 2>were curled. So I don't know if it was trying

502
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:16.039
<v Speaker 2>to make itself seem a little bit smaller, but it

503
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 2>stood perfectly still, like not a wing, not a its

504
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>mouth movement, nothing, just completely still, just slightly arched, you know,

505
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 2>the legs and the arms and just like if I

506
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Speaker 2>caught it midstride and it's like, oh snap, you know,

507
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody's gonna see me and shirt. I mean, the area

508
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.799
<v Speaker 2>looks like I caught it in the middle trying to cross,

509
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>because the forest on the east side is maybe what

510
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 2>thirty meters so it was almost home free, and a

511
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of things happened for me to be there at

512
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that time. I took a wrong turn on the trail

513
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and I had to back up, and so if I

514
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>hadn't taken that wrong turn, you know, the only wrong

515
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>turn I took all day happened about thirty minutes before.

516
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>So I backed up. I was like, are you sure, Yeah,

517
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 2>let's go this way. So, I mean, it was just,

518
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, a super duper coincidence, or you know, it

519
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 2>was just fate that I'd seen this thing.

520
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 3>And one of the photographs that you sent it looks

521
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 3>like there's a blue bronco in it in the meadow.

522
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Is that where the animal was standing.

523
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, on the left side. That's the second time we

524
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 2>went back, my son and I to confirm it was

525
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>standing on the left side of the picture, right on

526
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the Literally, like I said, my kid could have had

527
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>him off and swung it at him out the window

528
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and probably would have hit him.

529
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 3>So the sasquatch would have been between the car and

530
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.960
<v Speaker 3>where you took the photograph, just maybe six or eight

531
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 3>feet off to the side.

532
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes, about right, so it's facing in that picture. The

533
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>vehicle's facing north west, so it would have been about

534
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.319
<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen feet or less on the left side of

535
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the vehicle. I sent a little video. You can see

536
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I panned from left right and you can see on

537
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the east side the forest is really close to the road,

538
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe like thirty meters to you know from the road,

539
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 2>So I assume it was getting across we came over,

540
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the elevation changed and it, you know, just try to

541
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 2>act like a statue, like a stump, like a burnout

542
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:17.519
<v Speaker 2>stump or something.

543
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Was the mouth closed the entire time?

544
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the mouth was closed.

545
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 3>What were the lips like, where thin or what were

546
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 3>they like?

547
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Were thin? They weren't? They weren't big? Or anything. It

548
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>was just a thin I tried to draw it because Matt.

549
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really tell the BFRO until a couple of

550
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, because that was still like, it's crazy, who's

551
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>going to believe me? You know, like I find like

552
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I was telling you, I find myself like babbling on,

553
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 2>like trying to you know, this is really happening, because

554
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I know it sounds crazy, So I didn't report it.

555
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Then Matt said, we'll try to draw it, you know,

556
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and then each dry and you should get a little

557
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>bit better. So that's why I tried to draw it

558
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 2>with the mouth kind of straight, just straight across. No,

559
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.240
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have it, like I said, they didn't. It

560
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't show any human emotions that you can tell when

561
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 2>someone scared or upset or you knowing. It didn't. It

562
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any emotions on the face. It was just

563
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, straight across lips kind of thin and just lathery.

564
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>The lips were the same color as the as the

565
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>face was.

566
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Do you think the mouth was relatively wide compared to

567
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 3>a human or was it very human like?

568
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the mouth was about I mean huge, like the

569
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like the width of a regular paper. Okay, you know,

570
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 2>what is that eight inches?

571
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like eight and a half inches or something.

572
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 2>It kind of reminded me of where the wild things

573
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 2>are of the book though, the mouth on those things

574
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.759
<v Speaker 2>where it's kind of wide, you know, they're that's what

575
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>the mouth reminded me of. And kind of the feet

576
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the no really no emotion, just an animal, a creature.

577
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

578
00:28:52.279 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 3>Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, you

579
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 3>said it was drizzling, so where your windows up or down?

580
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>My windows were up and I did not have tint

581
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>on that window. It was it was a here no tint,

582
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 2>and it was drizzy. It's like that mist, like a

583
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>foggy mist. It was. It was that like a that

584
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 2>type of drizzle. But like I said, my truck has

585
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>four fog lights, two you know, the two high beams,

586
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and I mean you can go outside hitch dark or

587
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you can see what's standing next to

588
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 2>your vehicle clearly. And I seen, you know, I saw

589
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it maybe five seconds like one one thousand two, one

590
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 2>thousand three, one thousand, four, one thousand five, one thousand,

591
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>mam past. I mean, that's plenty of time. That's how

592
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>long the siding was.

593
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 3>And you didn't see it before that because you came

594
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 3>over an embankment.

595
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, where the trees are on the northeast side, there's

596
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>an elevation change, and I think it must have been

597
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>crossing and when we got too close to the tree,

598
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 2>it just stopped. And I've course seen it for the

599
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>first thirty feet. You know, my mind doesn't copper. It's

600
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>just a stump. There's there is burnt out like up

601
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>there Snow Lake, there was a fire. I think it's

602
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 2>called Snow Lake, New Mexico. The pretty much on the

603
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>trail there is a fire. There was a fire while

604
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>we were there, so we had seen you know, burnt

605
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>out stumps and with regrowth on them, so they do

606
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of look like some of your mind tries to

607
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>make something out of them. So I was seeing it.

608
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw as they got closer, maybe to the you know,

609
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>ten feet from the front right headlight, I noticed it

610
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and I followed it all till it was next to

611
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>my son. He saw it. He was pale, like he's

612
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>just seeing a ghost.

613
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 3>That You commented that you were mostly struck by the face.

614
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 3>That's where your attention was really focused. But your son

615
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.279
<v Speaker 3>saw some more details of the body. Is that correct?

616
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's he right away he said it was, you know,

617
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>bigger than two you know football guys with he he

618
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>compared it to somebody wearing shoulder pads and wearing like

619
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>a big outfit on top of it. That's how why

620
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the shoulders were very like broad So that's what he

621
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>tares it to. He says that it looked like a

622
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 2>giant linebacker wearing shoulder pads and then just covered in hair.

623
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Did he either say or did you notice if it

624
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 3>was uniformly covered in hair or were there thicker or

625
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>perhaps thinner patches on the body at someplace?

626
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 2>The chest and everything was covered in hair. It wasn't

627
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 2>like a chamb or something that you see, you know

628
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 2>it has nipples or anything. It was just hair, complete

629
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 2>hair except all the way it was even covering most

630
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of the eyes. The hair, and it was just so

631
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>tangled the hair, you know that they kind of started

632
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>looking like dreadlocks that type of hair or the mop hairs,

633
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the hairs on your mop that's the closest thing that

634
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I could compare it to. And about the length of

635
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe six inches, you know, the hair length and my

636
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.759
<v Speaker 2>son noted just the chest and the biceps were enormous.

637
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean talking just enormous. I don't even know there's

638
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a word to describe this. I got scared because I

639
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 2>have my kid there, you know, ten feet from this thing,

640
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, in my mind, I was like,

641
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 2>this thing can lift up my truck. That's how strong

642
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it appeared to myself. So I was like, oh, we

643
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 2>got to get out of here, you know, Like I

644
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>don't you know, I mean thinking back, even if you

645
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>had a you know, thirty out six, I don't think

646
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>that's taking this thing down. Like the people say they're

647
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna shoot one man. You good luck to you. That

648
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>thing is not falling with you know, five whatever biggest

649
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 2>rounds you can use. It is massive. Could you guess

650
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the way the weight? I have a cow that's about

651
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>fourteen hundred pounds, so about that maybe one thousand pounds easily,

652
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it's about it. It was about as big as my

653
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>one of my bulls out there. It's just ginormous.

654
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned how the hair was like dreadlocks, but just

655
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 3>to be clear, was that only on the head and

656
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 3>shorter areas or was that throughout the body?

657
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the like the chest, the chest and the for sure,

658
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the from the top of the and the top of

659
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the head wasn't like what you think, you know, the

660
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 2>like Matt showed me the little garden statute. That's the

661
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 2>idea that I had in my mind. I'm not sure

662
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have in their mind that it

663
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>has like a gorilla cone shape on top. You know,

664
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>it did not have that. It It had a roundish

665
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 2>head on top, very wide and just matted with hair

666
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 2>that they looked like dreadlocks, long enough to cover most

667
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>of the eyes and most of the face and then

668
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the shoulders and the neck and e was just matted hair.

669
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Well.

670
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I was telling the producer I was in the army,

671
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was a Medican Army back in the

672
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>early two thousands. And like a like a gilly suit,

673
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>but not that you can clearly tell. It was not

674
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>a gilly suit. That's how the hair appeared, just kind

675
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of matted, and the legs were not matted. There was

676
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>shorter you know, it would have been shorter hair for sure.

677
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 2>The chest, the neck area and the hair was matted.

678
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 2>The head. Did you see cheeked it all? No, No,

679
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the lips were perfectly straight, like no teeth and not

680
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>even you know how we have kind of like a

681
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 2>like the way the Joker exaggerates the up on the

682
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>mouth curved. It was not like it was just straight

683
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>like you know, just straight not and not protruding, kind

684
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.039
<v Speaker 2>of flat faced what I felt. The only way I

685
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>can describe how I felt. I was just I was

686
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 2>a Medican Army and I spent two years in Iraq

687
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 2>in five and then in eight, right, and so in

688
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the army they train you for, you know, for gun fighting.

689
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>So you know, since you're basic training, they trade you

690
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>for the gun fight and the gun fight and the

691
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>gun fight. So you go out there and you're like,

692
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready, I'm ready. The first time I heard like

693
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>an automatic weapon coming back at me, nothing in this

694
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>world could have prepared me for that. And that exact

695
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>thing is what I had when I saw this thing.

696
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>The I thought I knew what it would look like.

697
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought that I was prepared to see

698
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 2>something like this, and I was not. Totally. No amount

699
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 2>of preparation could have prepared me for this, for this visual.

700
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was really curious when I when I read

701
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the report, because you know, I've heard many witnesses describe

702
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that feeling, and then we all kind of know how

703
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 1>it feels to have to get out of the car

704
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 1>in the dark, whether that's the clear an obstruction out

705
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>of the road or something. And so it sounds like

706
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 1>you had to get out of the truck just a

707
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>little waist down the road right, Yes, for.

708
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>The if you see on the if you see on

709
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 2>the map, maybe a couple hundred meters there's a gate,

710
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, trobling out west, there's gates, but you

711
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.280
<v Speaker 2>open them and you have to close them because you

712
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 2>know people's cattle will get out. And my son had

713
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>been getting off all day, you know, open the gate,

714
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, I'm not getting off that, I'll drive.

715
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So I got off, and I mean I did have

716
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>an uneasy feeling, you know, like something was looking, you know,

717
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>looking at me. There. I got off. I opened that gate,

718
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he drove past it, closed it, and you know, we

719
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>never looked back at the time. It was that bad.

720
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>For the whole two weeks after, I was like, I

721
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>should have gone back. I should have gone back. But

722
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>at the thing, I'm just thinking, you know, I have

723
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>my kid with me, what if this thing is aggressive,

724
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you know I seen I've seen chimpanzee

725
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 2>documentaries and they're aggressive, so beyond that that whole like

726
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Mike Tyson's famous line, right, everybody has a plan until

727
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you get punched in the face, and that's exactly what

728
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 2>happened to me. I was like, yeah, if I ever

729
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>see one man, I'll just take out my phone and

730
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>you know the classic why didn't you get a better

731
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 2>picture or why didn't you do this? I was like,

732
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot easier said than when you're there face

733
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to face.

734
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 5>Was it making a fist? Was it like I was

735
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 5>ready to fight? Like it was kind of like you said,

736
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:45.719
<v Speaker 5>it's arms were kind of crawled this.

737
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fingers were prolled up so I couldn't see

738
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 2>his fingers just crolled up and you know it was

739
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>like I said, just shaggy everywhere.

740
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 4>Did you get the sensors kind of like blowing up?

741
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I sense like he was trying to like, Oh

742
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I messed up, don't you know? Don't stop and look

743
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>at me. That that's the sense I got kind of

744
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>a little like I said, maybe you know, the kneed

745
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>ben maybe a few inches and the arms bend a

746
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.199
<v Speaker 2>few kind of like oh, you know, like when your

747
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>mom catches you in the DJR, like, I hope she

748
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>just goes away and doesn't ask me. Kind of thing.

749
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 5>That sounds like a lot of people say like that,

750
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 5>but I've talked to that that you know, siler you like,

751
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 5>drove right up close to real slowly. They're kind of like, crap,

752
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 5>you cot you like, you know, they're kind of embarrassed,

753
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 5>like they seel like they're also embarrassed themselves for getting

754
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 5>caught like that.

755
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how the like I didn't it didn't seem

756
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.559
<v Speaker 2>aggressive at all. Like I saw three other bears. The

757
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>next time I went, I saw a mom and a cubs,

758
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 2>and she she charged that the vehicle. I mean, you know,

759
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>but she was maybe one hundred meters away. But you

760
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 2>can clearly see a bear maybe three three hundred meters,

761
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the army, we we qualified three hundred

762
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>meters away open side. You can tell that a person

763
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 2>standing there, you know, so a big is not a bear.

764
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I could tell it the bear from maybe more than

765
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>three hundred you know, maybe six hundred meters. I could

766
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 2>clear to see, oh there's two bears over there, let's

767
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 2>go take pictures of them, you know, and the bear

768
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>was that the mom bear was you could tell was aggressive.

769
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I had two cubs I send the pictures. Also,

770
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>this thing did not seem like that type of emotion.

771
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It was just more like my mom caught me. I

772
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 2>hope she doesn't tell me nothing.

773
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Because the thing was facing the road, pretty much directly

774
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 3>facing the road, and you came along the side of it.

775
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 3>You saw it on the right hand side of the road.

776
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 3>As you approached it. You got to see this thing

777
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 3>from profile as from a profile perspective, as well as

778
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of face on in some ways when it was

779
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:46.599
<v Speaker 3>at the profile perspective, maybe at the time where you

780
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 3>were still kind of what was that a stump or

781
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 3>a bush? What is that? Right? Was it completely standing

782
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 3>up straight or was it leaning forward at all? As

783
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 3>we see a lot of depictions of sasquatch, So it.

784
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Was already kind of I don't want to say crowds

785
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to make it seem like it

786
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>was crouched on it. It was the knee that maybe

787
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 2>six inches, you know, and its arms bent maybe four inches.

788
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Not It wasn't croshed on the floor. It was standing

789
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>but slightly bent knees.

790
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

791
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 2>And that's how when I noticed. That's how I can

792
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you clearly. The mouth was not protruding like you

793
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 2>see in a chimp or a gorilla. The mouth was

794
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>very like it fit the face flat, flatter, you know,

795
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 2>like a human, just slightly protrusion like a human, you know,

796
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 2>not not from the side. And that's when I tell you.

797
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 2>The bicep was, you know, like two of my thighs

798
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>put together. Might have been its arm. It looked like

799
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 2>a stump. So I don't know if it maybe it

800
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>learned to, you know, people don't look at those trees.

801
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, evolution, you know, maybe it

802
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>learned to try and look like or people don't pay

803
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>attention when it just stops and looks like a stump.

804
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>But in my mind, I thought, this is trying to

805
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>make it itself seem like it's just the part of

806
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 2>the terrain.

807
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a very very common reaction with all animals. Hey,

808
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Matt Prue, what's the name for that? What's the fancy

809
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 3>name for that?

810
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>You might be thinking about tonic immobility, But that's usually.

811
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Like that is what I'm thinking of.

812
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the involuntary freezing response to fear. Versus something

813
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 1>that is voluntary. You know, there are plenty of predators

814
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 1>that will freeze in the face of anything moving around.

815
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Predators very often hunt prey animals that detect movement, and

816
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>so in order for them to get closer to prey

817
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 1>or allow prey to come closer to them, if their ambush,

818
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 1>predators will freeze. So I think that's a really interesting

819
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>insight into sasquatches, that maybe they're very key into movement

820
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>because perhaps it is the case that they think if

821
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 1>something's not moving, it can't be seen. I don't think

822
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>sounds kind of anthropomorphic, but there might be some sort

823
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of like cognitive equation between those two well.

824
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 3>And also something along those lines is that if and

825
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 3>we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago, I

826
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 3>think if their retinas are largely rods and not cones.

827
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, rods and cones are the two kinds of

828
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.760
<v Speaker 3>cells on your retina. Cones see color, and I always

829
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 3>remember that because they both start with the sea and

830
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 3>then rods see basically in black and white. Those are

831
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 3>specifically for night vision, and we all kind of hypothesize

832
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.800
<v Speaker 3>as sasquatches have really good night vision, So it's entirely

833
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 3>possible that the majority or a lot of the extra

834
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 3>cells on the back of the eye to cover the

835
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.440
<v Speaker 3>retina would be rods. Those are also motion detectors more

836
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 3>so than detail detectors, so to speak, so they are

837
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 3>designed to detect movements, so that might be part of

838
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 3>their evolutionary makeup, if my guess about the retinal makeup

839
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 3>is correct.

840
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, it just perfectly still, like you know, like

841
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 2>a deer in a headlights will look, but except there

842
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't it positioned. It looked like it just positioned its

843
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 2>legs closed, you know, perfectly. It wasn't midstride or anything.

844
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't I didn't catch it half motion or anything.

845
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it already had seen me, and it just said,

846
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm gonna stop and you know, pertend on

847
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 2>a tree or whatever. You know, however they think And

848
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.280
<v Speaker 2>that's no, it didn't seem aggressive. It didn't seem non aggressive.

849
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>It just seemed like part of the landscape, like which

850
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I assume as what it was trying to do.

851
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it could be an involuntary response.

852
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 4>You know.

853
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.119
<v Speaker 1>What's really interesting, Irving, is that there was a witness

854
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that I interviewed in my hometown that I brought Cliff

855
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and Bobo to interview as well for the television series.

856
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And she saw one crossing a road and caught it

857
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 1>as it was crossing sort of a similar thing, but

858
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it was a paved road. But she was coming over

859
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.119
<v Speaker 1>a rise and starting to come down the hill as

860
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it was like mid crossing, and when her headlights hit it,

861
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>she freaked out appropriately so and slammed on the brakes,

862
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and it froze and stood there like a statue, even

863
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>though it was fully illuminated by the car's headlights and

864
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>standing out in the open on the road. It stayed

865
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 1>totally frozen until she came to a halt, and then

866
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 1>it turned and looked at her and kept moving. So

867
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>it could be an involuntary response too.

868
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what would I say that I'm just telling.

869
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling y'all right now, that that's what it seemed

870
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like like. I think if I would have stayed there

871
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and turned, then it would have made a motion like

872
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>to turn and walk away. That's what it seemed like,

873
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>like do I go? Do I not go? You know?

874
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Is the time? No, I think it was still thinking

875
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>what to do. But that's exactly how I describe it

876
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>like that what you just said, where my headlights hit

877
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 2>it and it just you know, stopped, and it was

878
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>pondering if this thing stops in front of me I'm

879
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 2>running or whatever, and it just I didn't stop. I

880
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 2>was just going, you know, a little bit more than

881
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 2>a walking pace, you know, three to six miles an hour.

882
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And it probably breathed the sigh of relief when we

883
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't stop. You know, it was probably scared, like we

884
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 2>were scared of it. It was probably scared of us.

885
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

886
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back after these messages. Well, when you

887
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 3>look at the map, you know, Matt money Maker supply

888
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the GPS coordinates on his BFRO report and for anybody listening,

889
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 3>the report number is seven seven six one zero. The

890
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 3>GPS coordinates are right in there. You can type it

891
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 3>into Google Maps. If it was traveling from the northeast

892
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 3>to the southwest, it had just crossed a pretty wide

893
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 3>area one hundred yards or more of fairly open terrain

894
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.480
<v Speaker 3>heading to the trees. And it also looks like there's

895
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 3>some little topography over there with a little maybe a

896
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 3>dry creek bed or whatever, you know, that sort of place.

897
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a dreak bed in between the meadle. There's a

898
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 2>dry creek bed, but at that time it had a

899
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>little bit of water because it was drizzling. So there's

900
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a creek bed. And like I said, it's maybe what

901
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>fifty acres you can see of open metal.

902
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think you caught it at the end of

903
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 3>its It's probably pretty stressful to cross a big open

904
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 3>area like that getting close to the road, heard the

905
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 3>car coming and froze up or something. It's just a

906
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, speculation.

907
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I was Jesse. And also because like I said, I

908
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>only saw that one vehicle and it was you know,

909
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>fifty to seventy miles at the beginning of the trail,

910
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see any other human, any other vehicle or

911
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 2>dirt bike atv horse, you know, just cattle bears and

912
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the local you know, elk deer. I didn't see any

913
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>and the sun had just gone down. So I mean,

914
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're an animal, you know what's the best you know,

915
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the some went down, Let me cross this dangerous thing

916
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be on the other side.

917
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if it had made its way to the trees

918
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.599
<v Speaker 3>and then froze. You would have never noticed.

919
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Nope, not at all.

920
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just didn't change its defensive tactics, like, oh,

921
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 3>that'll work anywhere.

922
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>There's no way that I was stopping in front of it.

923
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if I got the biggest you know,

924
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>camera and production crew. The this thing was massive. I

925
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>can't even say that word.

926
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:49.639
<v Speaker 4>You know.

927
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>It was just that it was very proportionate. It wasn't

928
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 2>out of proportion where it had a big head or

929
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a big chest and you know, the legs. Everything was

930
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>just a proportionate animal like.

931
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Perfect, perfectly designed for what they do. Excellent.

932
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and my kid now he bought a night vision camera.

933
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>He wants to you know, he wants to drone. He's

934
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of because I told him, I thought you were

935
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>a big shot, thought you were gonna get your camera

936
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 2>out and recorded we saw something, you know. But the

937
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>same thing is like it was scary. It's like we

938
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>need a drone to see it from far away, you know,

939
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be near it again.

940
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.840
<v Speaker 5>That was the perfect spot for a drone. Yeah, that

941
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 5>was the first thing I thought when I saw it.

942
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 5>I was like that this is where drones or could

943
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 5>be really useful in this kind of terrain.

944
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.159
<v Speaker 3>That, of course, the last thing you'd be thinking about

945
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 3>in such a unexpected situation is pulling out your iPhone

946
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 3>to snap a picture of it.

947
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 5>Yes, if you had one of those you know cameras

948
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 5>like you mount up in your windshield like a little

949
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 5>recording camera.

950
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 4>If you get what has showed up or was it

951
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 4>too dark and off off the side of the road.

952
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It would have shown up perfectly. We bought one already

953
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 2>for the second time away and the third time.

954
00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 5>That's how it goes. As soon as you see one,

955
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 5>then you get it. No, you're prepared. You'll never see

956
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 5>one that closer again.

957
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was telling your producer. I was like,

958
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I live down here with brushland in South Texas.

959
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>It's just brushland. I was like, the only you know,

960
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of scary legend we have is Zayorna, you know,

961
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>because I'm I'm of Mexican descent. So I was like,

962
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:19.719
<v Speaker 2>that's how we scare our children and I to go

963
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.639
<v Speaker 2>to sleep. You know, Yourna's coming for you. So we

964
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 2>don't have that at least here in South South Texas.

965
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, like there's a you know, a giant ape

966
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>out there. Humanoid thing. So it was quite the experience.

967
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.480
<v Speaker 3>So as you drove away from the site, I don't

968
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 3>suppose you looked in your rear view mirror.

969
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it was already dark behind me, and I

970
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 2>was just focused on, like, you know, we got to

971
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 2>get some distance between us. Yeah, I mean it was not. No,

972
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, no matter what, you're not, you're not

973
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 2>You're not prepared to get punched in the face. You know,

974
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>your whole plan changes.

975
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.960
<v Speaker 3>You're now better equipped. You've put a couple thousand miles

976
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 3>under your tires going back to the side at least twice.

977
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 3>How else has your life changed? It all now that

978
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 3>you've had a up close and person with one of

979
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:11.880
<v Speaker 3>these creators.

980
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, now that I now that. When I come from

981
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the second time, I told everybody. I told my wife

982
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and I I was telling you my wife and I.

983
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>We own a hospice down here in South Texas, and

984
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I told all the employees everybody, and most of them

985
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 2>are because they know me. They're like, yeah, I believe you,

986
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I believe you. I was like, yes, why would I lie?

987
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I didn't even tell you all the

988
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>first time I told. I waited till I knew there

989
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything there, so I tell now, I tell everybody.

990
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.320
<v Speaker 2>And I've always been into you know, hunting and fishing

991
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and camping and stuff, you know, everywhere. So now my

992
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 2>son bought the night vision binoculars, is getting the drone,

993
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 2>so he's prepared more than I am. I was like,

994
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 2>let's go, We're going to go back in fall break.

995
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.199
<v Speaker 2>We're going to go back and actually try to stay

996
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>there at the spot to camp. I was like, let's

997
00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 2>just stay there and put a camera up on the

998
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>tree and see if anything comes at night to wonder

999
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.639
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing there. I've been reading more than I

1000
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 2>used to because I've always, you know, been interested in it,

1001
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and but now I know. I was like, you know,

1002
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico, and when I went out to the BFRO,

1003
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see too many sightings in New Mexico. So

1004
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that's why I was like, could I have even seen it?

1005
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>There's not that many sightings in New Mexico, you know,

1006
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>but Matt said they had they had some recent sightings

1007
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>close to there, and they're actually going to go there

1008
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 2>to reserve New Mexico close to the trail to check

1009
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>it out.

1010
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in New Mexico, and

1011
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.679
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that's on the public BFRO page, the stuff

1012
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>that you get to see or any of the public

1013
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 3>it's to see, it's a very very it's a very

1014
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 3>small percentage of what's actually out there, because maybe Matt

1015
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't have a lot of investigators there right now,

1016
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 3>or maybe they're not interested in publishing and that sort

1017
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 3>of stuff. So there's a lot of factors that go

1018
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 3>into it.

1019
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>He called I think because he said, you know what

1020
00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm there's it's great that you posted this because we've

1021
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 2>had recent sightings here close to there in the forest

1022
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico and we're setting up a thing and

1023
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>then you come in do your you know, and foremost

1024
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 2>of this. So now you know, he got more pumped up,

1025
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like you know, another person's coming out of New Mexico

1026
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 2>saying that, you know, so I think Matt got really

1027
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 2>pumped up where you know, I'm kind of corroborating the

1028
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 2>whoever told him the previous you know sightings there.

1029
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.559
<v Speaker 5>Matth a fantastic article on sasquatch faces and how they've

1030
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 5>changed over time, and you got you gotta really inspired

1031
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 5>to get that out there that you're citing, yes.

1032
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I told him. And then he had

1033
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 2>sent me the picture of the McLean statue.

1034
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the McLaren uh huh Claren.

1035
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I googled it. I couldn't. I couldn't find out my Google.

1036
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.280
<v Speaker 2>But he sent me one and uh, and then he

1037
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 2>sent me another one. He said, what, like, you know,

1038
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 2>what would you change? I was like, if you crossed

1039
00:50:54.400 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the mass of that McLaren statue with more humanoid features

1040
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of the.

1041
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the other one was from Lauren Coleman's

1042
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 1>main museum as well.

1043
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that one. I was like, if you add the

1044
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.239
<v Speaker 2>mass of the wooden statue to this, you know, and

1045
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 2>the facial features kind of more of the wooden one.

1046
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's what I saw, like across you know.

1047
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>But then I think, the you see a gorilla, it

1048
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.039
<v Speaker 2>looks different from the next gorilla, you know, like if

1049
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, you know, if we assume that it's like

1050
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 2>an eighth actual animal eight you know, even like you know,

1051
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 2>a lion has masculine features, and the you know alien

1052
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 2>as female, you know, feminine. And that's what I told

1053
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Matt was this thing had very masculine features. Like there's

1054
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 2>no way this was a female of that species.

1055
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, I love the fact that you're going to be

1056
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 3>going back there, and of course you have my number.

1057
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 3>If anything cool happens out there, I'd love to hear

1058
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 3>about it when you do it.

1059
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to see now. I know you can

1060
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 2>just buy casting stuff. My wife said from you know,

1061
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>like some some supply store. I was like, if I

1062
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 2>had a casting I would have casted that.

1063
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 3>They might still be out there. Prince lasts in the

1064
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.360
<v Speaker 3>ground quite a long time, They're probably still some sign

1065
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 3>of them out there.

1066
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this time we're prepared. We're getting you know,

1067
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>hiking put on your hiking boots and water and some

1068
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 2>casting to cast anything that I see and you know.

1069
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we're going to go back out in October

1070
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 2>during their fall break. So I'll let you all know.

1071
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as long as it doesn't get too close

1072
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.519
<v Speaker 2>to me, you know, I'll be fine.

1073
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 3>Beggars can't be choose reserving. Yeah, all right, Well, unless

1074
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:41.559
<v Speaker 3>there's any other last minute questions, I think that's fantastic.

1075
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Really appreciate your time coming on, But will you have

1076
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:45.559
<v Speaker 3>anything else before we split?

1077
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 5>No, it's cool, man, I'm glad you're going back and

1078
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 5>I hope you got a drone chickuse that looks like

1079
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 5>a great spot for a drone.

1080
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, my kid is hooked now. My kid, even though

1081
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>he was very scared, he's like, we have to get

1082
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>a picture huckemn. But he's got a clear picture of it.

1083
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Like I was like, because they're scared. There, it was

1084
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 2>not the way you were scared. Is what happens to

1085
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:06.199
<v Speaker 2>most people.

1086
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 4>He knows why. He's one of the people that didn't exactly.

1087
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 2>That's what I told him. I thought you were going

1088
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>to get a picture of anything like No. And he

1089
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>has a camera, a Nikon, expensive camera because he takes

1090
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 2>pictures of through his telescope of the planets and stuff,

1091
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 2>so he has a big camera already. I was like,

1092
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 2>what happened to your big camera? Nothing, you know, So

1093
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 2>we did have that camera on board that we could

1094
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 2>have got, you know, a Nikon with extended lens and everything.

1095
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.159
<v Speaker 2>But it's just your brain cannot comprehend. I don't know,

1096
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, you know, if you've seen one,

1097
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you know your brain doesn't comprehend you know what it is.

1098
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Because I can see a zebra here downtown, you know,

1099
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.800
<v Speaker 2>say Houston, and be like, oh, that's a zebra. I

1100
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:49.320
<v Speaker 2>know it doesn't belong to Houston, but I know it's

1101
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a zebra because I've watched you know, Animal Planet and Discovery,

1102
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, but this animal cannot comprehend it no matter

1103
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 2>where you see it.

1104
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Very interesting, Well, that irving man, thank you so much

1105
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 3>for coming on and sharing your encounter with us. I

1106
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 3>know our listener is going to love this. And you

1107
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.960
<v Speaker 3>got such a good, close and fairly extended look at

1108
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>this thing. And most sightings happen over a period of

1109
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.639
<v Speaker 3>time maybe a second or two, maybe three, but you

1110
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 3>had five or eight seconds of looking at this thing.

1111
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 3>You could have practically reached out and kissed it. And

1112
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.320
<v Speaker 3>you in your floodlights, you know, on top of it all.

1113
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 3>So it's just fantastic. So thank you very much for

1114
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.519
<v Speaker 3>being generous with your time and in your experience.

1115
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which is luck. Maybe we'll have a better picture

1116
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1117
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.239
<v Speaker 5>You've probably better off just saving all that gas when

1118
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 5>you investigated a good thermal instead of driving one thousand

1119
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 5>miles each weather, there's stuff much closer to where you live.

1120
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we got a thermal, we got a thermal camera.

1121
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 3>You're hooked. Well, good luck with that man, come back,

1122
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 3>come back and get us a picture.

1123
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will. I'll be out there like you all,

1124
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to get a picture and see what happens.

1125
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Good luck, all.

1126
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Right, Derbie, Well, thank you very much for your time.

1127
00:54:56.280 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and and your story is fantastic account. If

1128
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing else, Bobs, you want to get us out.

1129
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Of here, all right? Thanks serving and good luck in

1130
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 4>the future. We hope to hear back for you that

1131
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 4>you got some evidence.

1132
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 5>Until then, folks, y'all, don's do keep it squatchy.

1133
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.639
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1134
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.280
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1135
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.679
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1136
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.960
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1137
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.519
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1138
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.239
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00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.679
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