Speaker 1: Now, why did I play birthday? Well, because I have
Speaker 1: an annual tradition going back many many years now of
Speaker 1: bringing in my good friend going back a long ways
Speaker 1: as well, who is the state senator.
Speaker 2: He's also running for governor. But his real claim to.
Speaker 1: Fame is that, like me, he has an August second birthday,
Speaker 1: And so for a long time we've had a tradition
Speaker 1: on the air whenever possible, honor around our birthday of
Speaker 1: having him on. And I'm very pleased that he's joining
Speaker 1: me in studio, which I don't know, I can't remember
Speaker 1: the last time we've done it.
Speaker 2: Mark Baisley, welcome, Thank you, Jimmy.
Speaker 3: And that is my claim to fame, that I share
Speaker 3: a birthday with Jimmy Singenberger.
Speaker 2: All easey Singenberger. You know it is awesome.
Speaker 1: We also radio host Dennis Brager has August second, that's right,
Speaker 1: And we have a vice president of the United States
Speaker 1: whose birthday is August second.
Speaker 3: We have invited a new member to our club, vice President.
Speaker 1: Isn't it pretty cool to share a birthday with the
Speaker 1: Vice President? Is that it?
Speaker 2: And Jimmy Sangenberger, Yes, well.
Speaker 3: That vice president in particular, or not just any vice president. Yes,
Speaker 3: a really good one. Yes it is.
Speaker 1: It is much much better than sharing it with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Gotta say, so, how do you do it? Did you
Speaker 1: have a good birthday weekend?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 3: I did, celebrated with UH with my kids and UH
Speaker 3: and one grand kid.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sorry, no four grandkids one guy. You
Speaker 2: forgot about half of the three, which I don't know if.
Speaker 3: The one who's so young that she looks like my
Speaker 3: grandkid and the others are so old that they Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a wonderful birthday, got got some
Speaker 3: way cool gifts, and UH, celebrated with family.
Speaker 1: You were running for governor, you are elected the state Senate.
Speaker 1: You've been elected to the state House. You've also served
Speaker 1: as and been elected as vice chair of the Colorado
Speaker 1: Republican Party years back. I never intend on following any
Speaker 1: of those paths, but I am eligible to run for president.
Speaker 2: Now, with congratulations.
Speaker 1: I'm finally old enough, which is funny because my high
Speaker 1: school graduating class voted me my senior superlative was most
Speaker 1: likely to be voted president. No kidding, so I could
Speaker 1: do it theoretically, but no, don't get your hopes.
Speaker 2: So all right, you know what what else that means?
Speaker 3: And I hope this is a shock to you that
Speaker 3: because I was actually wondering this, at what point are
Speaker 3: you exactly one.
Speaker 2: Half white age? And that's now I am you are?
Speaker 1: That's that is a very special birthday then just happened.
Speaker 2: There you go, big day for both of those figure.
Speaker 1: Now you have specifically dated yourself.
Speaker 2: For anybody who can do this, it's.
Speaker 3: The simplest of arithmetics, the simplest math.
Speaker 2: Well, happy birthday.
Speaker 1: It is good to have you and to be able
Speaker 1: to carry on the tradition right here on Koa no less. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Let's talk for a moment about the political dynamics we
Speaker 1: have in Colorado, because this is a state that clearly
Speaker 1: is from both our perspectives, dramatically far gone. We have
Speaker 1: democrats in control of all levers of government and in
Speaker 1: a way where they don't feel any sort of check,
Speaker 1: they are pushing the envelope every legislative session. When you
Speaker 1: look at how things are right now, big picture in Colorado,
Speaker 1: especially since you're running for statewide office, how do you
Speaker 1: assess the lay of the land.
Speaker 2: Well, I am.
Speaker 3: Hoping that there is just this constant conscience in people's
Speaker 3: heads and hearts that the Founders tapped into and that
Speaker 3: they call the laws of nature and of Nature's God.
Speaker 3: And so I never believe that we are fighting a
Speaker 3: battle between our team and the.
Speaker 2: Other team, you know, the Broncos versus the raiders.
Speaker 3: That sort of thing. It's not a team thing. This
Speaker 3: is natural law versus the unnatural. It's it's it's natural
Speaker 3: law versus a rebellion against natural law, a rebellion against wisdom.
Speaker 2: And certainly communities.
Speaker 3: Cultures go through their cycles of rebellion and so on,
Speaker 3: but they come back around because we're created beings and
Speaker 3: we're all created by that same single creator. And I
Speaker 3: think that it's in us. So after a while when
Speaker 3: you dance around rebelliously and elect people to office like
Speaker 3: we have for the past ten years, where we have
Speaker 3: a single party rule in Colorado, and the results speak
Speaker 3: for themselves and they ain't pretty. And so I'm hoping
Speaker 3: that the rest that the state catches up with the
Speaker 3: rest of the country and says that was not a
Speaker 3: good idea. It seemed like cool at the time, but
Speaker 3: we're suffering now, and it's what we're watching in New
Speaker 3: York right with the cool idea of electing a socialist mayor,
Speaker 3: and they'll probably do it, and then ten years later
Speaker 3: they're going to go what we do.
Speaker 1: Since you mentioned mom Donnie in New York City, I
Speaker 1: just played the clip again. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: play it enough because I haven't heard much talk about it.
Speaker 1: But here's Congressman Jason Crowe of the sixth Congressional District
Speaker 1: on Friday with Bill Maher who said, Bill Maher said this,
Speaker 1: We've never had someone this radical, and he asked Jason Crow,
Speaker 1: and here's Crow's response.
Speaker 2: You're going to have to answer everything like this.
Speaker 3: They're going to ask every single Democratic politician.
Speaker 2: It's that's never I.
Speaker 4: Mean, there's always a villain, there's always people they would
Speaker 4: always try to create a villain.
Speaker 2: It's my point. The always try to create some boogieman
Speaker 2: or Bill boogie Wise.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't this one, it was going to be
Speaker 4: somebody else.
Speaker 2: I'm not creating anything. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Defending the policies. There are plenty of things that I
Speaker 4: disagree with there and that I that.
Speaker 2: I don't come down on.
Speaker 4: But but the point being, we see this every cycle.
Speaker 4: I've now been doing this long enough to know that
Speaker 4: every single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogieman.
Speaker 2: And if it wasn't, this is going to be the
Speaker 2: mayor of New York.
Speaker 1: That's a congressman from Colorado, the sixth Congressional District, Jason Crowe,
Speaker 1: live on National tell.
Speaker 2: Or taped, I guess on national television.
Speaker 1: And he's saying that Mandani, Mam Donnie is a contrived villain.
Speaker 3: I'm flabbergasted by that one. No kidding, I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: I take heart in mom. Donnie would never be elected
Speaker 3: within the Republican Party. He's he's invited into the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3: That is the same party that has the KKK in
Speaker 3: their background slavery, and they defended slavery. We stood up,
Speaker 3: We our ancestors stood up the Republican Party in response
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: They should they should be ashamed.
Speaker 3: They should be They should cause them to look internally
Speaker 3: and go, who are we and do we even align
Speaker 3: with American founding principles?
Speaker 2: And if not, get on board this is important stuff.
Speaker 1: Along those lines. Let's go back to this legislative session.
Speaker 1: I remembered, and I pulled up and grant quickly in
Speaker 1: no time, doing Yeomen's work behind the glass like he
Speaker 1: always does, got it plugged in. You did something I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool. You read for me on the
Speaker 1: floor of the State Senate as there was radical legislation
Speaker 1: dealing with transgender issues in schools and more, and the
Speaker 1: implications dramatic. And I want to share a little bit
Speaker 1: from what you read, and let's talk about what's happening
Speaker 1: in K through twelve schools because I know this is
Speaker 1: really near and dear to your heart now.
Speaker 5: Denver Gazette investigative columnists Jimmy Sanenberger wrote a column recently
Speaker 5: about House Bill twenty five thirteen twelve. He says in
Speaker 5: this his article, Let's be real, this isn't about gender
Speaker 5: identity or discrimination. It's about whether government can force citizens, businesses,
Speaker 5: or journalists to say things they don't believe. So let's
Speaker 5: move into the bill itself and see where that might occur.
Speaker 2: And shortly thereafter you read it a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Part of Jimmy Sangenberger's article is that word believe.
Speaker 5: It's about whether government can force citizens, businesses, or journalists,
Speaker 5: which he is a journalist, to say things that they
Speaker 5: don't believe.
Speaker 1: Where are we at in our society right now, when
Speaker 1: this is legislation passing through the Colorado legislature, Well, just.
Speaker 3: As you described earlier, with single party rule, they get cocky, confident,
Speaker 3: and spoiled to the point where, hey, let's go beyond
Speaker 3: the utilitarian features of government building infrastructure like roads and
Speaker 3: bridges and so on.
Speaker 2: Let's start managing the people. Let's manage their behavior.
Speaker 3: Let's get ourselves involved in their families, in their children's sexuality.
Speaker 3: What business does any government have in getting between parents
Speaker 3: and their children's sexuality.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So this is where they've gone. And I believe, and
Speaker 3: I've said it at a different point a different day,
Speaker 3: that it has become their church. The state has become
Speaker 3: their church. And it's a convenient church because it is
Speaker 3: a church that comes with the force of government. And
Speaker 3: that's where I believe that the Democrats have become.
Speaker 1: You might have actually said that in the rest of
Speaker 1: the clip that I did not play. I think you
Speaker 1: touched on that a little bit in that same speech,
Speaker 1: And you're right, this comes down to a belief system
Speaker 1: of trying to enforce that from government, and that is
Speaker 1: not the role of government full stop. And yet we
Speaker 1: have this direction that we've seen across the country of
Speaker 1: trying to enforce a certain orthodoxy. And thankfully, at the
Speaker 1: federal level we've seen pushback from the current administration, but
Speaker 1: at the state level and in school districts and in
Speaker 1: so many other institutions, we still see this radical movement.
Speaker 1: And so for somebody running for elected, as you are,
Speaker 1: Mark Basedly a candidate for governor and currently serving in
Speaker 1: the state Senate, what do you think government should do
Speaker 1: to write the ship on this. Let's say you're elected
Speaker 1: governor and you're looking at these issues, what would you
Speaker 1: want to change?
Speaker 3: Well, so the easy, simple thing is just veto the
Speaker 3: snot out of every bill that comes up that is
Speaker 3: inappropriate for legislation, appropriate statute.
Speaker 2: We have our constitutional guard rails.
Speaker 3: Thou shalt not pass into law a bill that is unconstitutional,
Speaker 3: that just is totally ignored. I point that out every
Speaker 3: time an unconstitutional bill comes across, I go up and
Speaker 3: I pointed out, I'll read from the constitution here's what's
Speaker 3: in violation. I'll read from the bill, here's the part
Speaker 3: that's violating that constitutional concept. And they vote for it anyway. So,
Speaker 3: at the very least all of those unconstitutional bills need
Speaker 3: to be vetoed, but beyond that, the government should not
Speaker 3: be playing such an enormous role in our lives, and
Speaker 3: the government should facilitate jobs, facilitate through commerce, education fund
Speaker 3: at least, if not provide, but fund good education. So
Speaker 3: we need to focus on that. So it is my
Speaker 3: first attempt, and I think it would be for any
Speaker 3: Republican coming in just to veto all of that social
Speaker 3: engineering that comes in. But it has to go beyond that.
Speaker 3: So we have to go from saying, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 3: to stop all the crazy because they've gotten crazy, and
Speaker 3: let's get the government back to what it ought to
Speaker 3: be doing.
Speaker 2: So I think about that a lot.
Speaker 3: What ought government to be doing so in facilitating commerce,
Speaker 3: and that's someff that I've been working on real hard,
Speaker 3: bringing the chipsack, bringing semiconductor manufact out of China and
Speaker 3: into Colorado, certainly the rest of the US, but here.
Speaker 3: So we got Colorado and I was part of that bill,
Speaker 3: got Colorado approved for the chips ACKed, and then to
Speaker 3: get us designated as a tech cub for quantum quantum computing.
Speaker 3: The center of that development of that research is right
Speaker 3: here in Colorado. Now because we won that designation in
Speaker 3: a bakeoff against all the other states that wanted that.
Speaker 3: We won and I led that charge frankly, and then
Speaker 3: third on the other side of the brain on the
Speaker 3: right side, we brought the Sundance Film Festival to Colorado.
Speaker 3: That's like winning the Super Bowl for ten years in
Speaker 3: a row. This is a big deal, and so we
Speaker 3: will have the arts side coming in. But we facilitate
Speaker 3: these things. We don't create jobs. The government doesn't create
Speaker 3: jobs for just the wasteful ones, but the bureaucratic ones.
Speaker 3: But we can facilitate peoples going after and creating, creating
Speaker 3: commerce and the dignity of work, and we get out
Speaker 3: of their way.
Speaker 2: A few minutes left.
Speaker 1: Time flies when you're literally having fun here in studio,
Speaker 1: Mark Baisley. I think about, for example, in education, you
Speaker 1: have parents groups like jeff co Kids First, which has their.
Speaker 2: Gall on Thursday evening.
Speaker 1: I know you and I will both be there, or
Speaker 1: the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network and Protect Kids Colorado. Like
Speaker 1: these different parent led organizations, I feel like we need
Speaker 1: something similar, more so in terms of advocacy from the
Speaker 1: private sector businesses to push back more vocally against some
Speaker 1: of the regulations you have some of that, but it
Speaker 1: seems like it's a little bit too subdued to me,
Speaker 1: because you're right, this can't come from these things can't
Speaker 1: come from government.
Speaker 2: You need the private sector.
Speaker 1: You need individuals to get engaged and say no, we're
Speaker 1: going to draw a line in the sand right here,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 3: A classic example of that is the AI, the artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence fight going on at the state right now. The
Speaker 3: state we have a bill that Governor pull Us signed
Speaker 3: into law under duress because his favorite bill was held
Speaker 3: in abeyance until he signed this bill AI bill, and
Speaker 3: the AI bill that was passed last year goes into
Speaker 3: effect next year. The goal of it was to try
Speaker 3: to prevent discrimination against the protected classes by AI. Okay,
Speaker 3: But the way the bill reads is that the AI
Speaker 3: developers have to turn their code their software over to
Speaker 3: the Attorney General's office for review. They do not want
Speaker 3: to hand over their intellectual property to the state government
Speaker 3: and trust them to not share it somewhere else, so
Speaker 3: they will move out of the state. My bill that
Speaker 3: I am introducing this year on that is a bill
Speaker 3: that says we get out of regulating the development of
Speaker 3: the software itself, but rather just say we will just
Speaker 3: augment the current statute that says you can't discriminate against
Speaker 3: people even with the use of technology, and then leave
Speaker 3: the technology alone. But that's a classic example of what
Speaker 3: you're talking about, the government playing its appropriate role and
Speaker 3: not sticking its nose into how commerce is done.
Speaker 1: Setting guide guard rails and a little bit of guidelines
Speaker 1: and let the market do its thing.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Baisley, our guest, you're running for governor.
Speaker 2: What's your pitch? Who are you and why are you
Speaker 2: running for governor? Mark Baisley. I share a birthday with
Speaker 2: Jimmy Sangenberger. That's the qualification. That's all you need, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, this is a it's far more of the
Speaker 3: calling than the aspiration. You know, just every now and
Speaker 3: then you look around and you say, you know what,
Speaker 3: I think, this is something I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: Love the state.
Speaker 3: It's a much different place than the place I moved
Speaker 3: to thirty six years ago when Lucky Martin IRAQ. Back
Speaker 3: then it was Martin Murriette moved me out here as
Speaker 3: an aerospace engineer.
Speaker 2: And it's it.
Speaker 3: Is worth fighting for to bring it back to the
Speaker 3: incredible place that it has always been. We just need
Speaker 3: to be in common sense back. We need to bring
Speaker 3: our Colorado back and I aim to do that thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: The big question, given the dynamics we were talking about,
Speaker 1: can't a Republicans seriously win the governorship in Colorado?
Speaker 3: I'm always going to have hope. So we have to
Speaker 3: run a perfect game. We have to turn out the vote.
Speaker 3: The competitor that we're going to get probably Michael Bennett.
Speaker 3: Just if it were just that running against that other person,
Speaker 3: I think we could win it. But we have to
Speaker 3: turn out a vote like we've never done before because
Speaker 3: the other side has things really gamed and we need
Speaker 3: to beat that.
Speaker 2: So we need to.
Speaker 3: Overwhelm them, just like Donald Trump did. He won by
Speaker 3: overwhelming the turnout, and so that's what we need to do.
Speaker 3: Mark Baisley, what's your website? Mark Baisley dot com? Iman
Speaker 3: R K B A I S L E. Y.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, my friend, and thanks for coming by the studios.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jimmy, appreciate you so much.