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<v Speaker 1>Now, why did I play birthday? Well, because I have

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<v Speaker 1>an annual tradition going back many many years now of

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in my good friend going back a long ways

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<v Speaker 1>as well, who is the state senator.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also running for governor. But his real claim to.

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<v Speaker 1>Fame is that, like me, he has an August second birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>And so for a long time we've had a tradition

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<v Speaker 1>on the air whenever possible, honor around our birthday of

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<v Speaker 1>having him on. And I'm very pleased that he's joining

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<v Speaker 1>me in studio, which I don't know, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>the last time we've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Baisley, welcome, Thank you, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is my claim to fame, that I share

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<v Speaker 3>a birthday with Jimmy Singenberger.

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<v Speaker 2>All easey Singenberger. You know it is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>We also radio host Dennis Brager has August second, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a vice president of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>whose birthday is August second.

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<v Speaker 3>We have invited a new member to our club, vice President.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it pretty cool to share a birthday with the

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President? Is that it?

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<v Speaker 2>And Jimmy Sangenberger, Yes, well.

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<v Speaker 3>That vice president in particular, or not just any vice president. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>a really good one. Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is much much better than sharing it with Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta say, so, how do you do it? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>have a good birthday weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>I did?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, celebrated with UH with my kids and UH

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<v Speaker 3>and one grand kid.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm sorry, no four grandkids one guy. You

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about half of the three, which I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 3>The one who's so young that she looks like my

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<v Speaker 3>grandkid and the others are so old that they Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it was a wonderful birthday, got got some

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<v Speaker 3>way cool gifts, and UH, celebrated with family.

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<v Speaker 1>You were running for governor, you are elected the state Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been elected to the state House. You've also served

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<v Speaker 1>as and been elected as vice chair of the Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party years back. I never intend on following any

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<v Speaker 1>of those paths, but I am eligible to run for president.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, with congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finally old enough, which is funny because my high

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<v Speaker 1>school graduating class voted me my senior superlative was most

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be voted president. No kidding, so I could

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<v Speaker 1>do it theoretically, but no, don't get your hopes.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, you know what what else that means?

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope this is a shock to you that

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<v Speaker 3>because I was actually wondering this, at what point are

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<v Speaker 3>you exactly one.

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<v Speaker 2>Half white age? And that's now I am you are?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that is a very special birthday then just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, big day for both of those figure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you have specifically dated yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>For anybody who can do this, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The simplest of arithmetics, the simplest math.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>It is good to have you and to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to carry on the tradition right here on Koa no less. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk for a moment about the political dynamics we

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<v Speaker 1>have in Colorado, because this is a state that clearly

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<v Speaker 1>is from both our perspectives, dramatically far gone. We have

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<v Speaker 1>democrats in control of all levers of government and in

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<v Speaker 1>a way where they don't feel any sort of check,

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<v Speaker 1>they are pushing the envelope every legislative session. When you

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<v Speaker 1>look at how things are right now, big picture in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since you're running for statewide office, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>assess the lay of the land.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I am.

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<v Speaker 3>Hoping that there is just this constant conscience in people's

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<v Speaker 3>heads and hearts that the Founders tapped into and that

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<v Speaker 3>they call the laws of nature and of Nature's God.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I never believe that we are fighting a

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<v Speaker 3>battle between our team and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other team, you know, the Broncos versus the raiders.

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<v Speaker 3>That sort of thing. It's not a team thing. This

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<v Speaker 3>is natural law versus the unnatural. It's it's it's natural

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<v Speaker 3>law versus a rebellion against natural law, a rebellion against wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly communities.

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<v Speaker 3>Cultures go through their cycles of rebellion and so on,

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<v Speaker 3>but they come back around because we're created beings and

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<v Speaker 3>we're all created by that same single creator. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that it's in us. So after a while when

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<v Speaker 3>you dance around rebelliously and elect people to office like

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<v Speaker 3>we have for the past ten years, where we have

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<v Speaker 3>a single party rule in Colorado, and the results speak

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves and they ain't pretty. And so I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 3>that the rest that the state catches up with the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the country and says that was not a

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<v Speaker 3>good idea. It seemed like cool at the time, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're suffering now, and it's what we're watching in New

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<v Speaker 3>York right with the cool idea of electing a socialist mayor,

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<v Speaker 3>and they'll probably do it, and then ten years later

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to go what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Since you mentioned mom Donnie in New York City, I

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<v Speaker 1>just played the clip again. I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 1>play it enough because I haven't heard much talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's Congressman Jason Crowe of the sixth Congressional District

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday with Bill Maher who said, Bill Maher said this,

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<v Speaker 1>We've never had someone this radical, and he asked Jason Crow,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's Crow's response.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have to answer everything like this.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to ask every single Democratic politician.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's never I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, there's always a villain, there's always people they would

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<v Speaker 4>always try to create a villain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my point. The always try to create some boogieman

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<v Speaker 2>or Bill boogie Wise.

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<v Speaker 4>If it wasn't this one, it was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not creating anything. I mean, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Defending the policies. There are plenty of things that I

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<v Speaker 4>disagree with there and that I that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't come down on.

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<v Speaker 4>But but the point being, we see this every cycle.

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<v Speaker 4>I've now been doing this long enough to know that

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<v Speaker 4>every single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogieman.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it wasn't, this is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a congressman from Colorado, the sixth Congressional District, Jason Crowe,

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<v Speaker 1>live on National tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Or taped, I guess on national television.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's saying that Mandani, Mam Donnie is a contrived villain.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm flabbergasted by that one. No kidding, I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 3>I take heart in mom. Donnie would never be elected

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<v Speaker 3>within the Republican Party. He's he's invited into the Democrat Party.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the same party that has the KKK in

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<v Speaker 3>their background slavery, and they defended slavery. We stood up,

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<v Speaker 3>We our ancestors stood up the Republican Party in response

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<v Speaker 3>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>They should they should be ashamed.

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<v Speaker 3>They should be They should cause them to look internally

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<v Speaker 3>and go, who are we and do we even align

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<v Speaker 3>with American founding principles?

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<v Speaker 2>And if not, get on board this is important stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Along those lines. Let's go back to this legislative session.

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered, and I pulled up and grant quickly in

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<v Speaker 1>no time, doing Yeomen's work behind the glass like he

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<v Speaker 1>always does, got it plugged in. You did something I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was pretty cool. You read for me on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor of the State Senate as there was radical legislation

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with transgender issues in schools and more, and the

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<v Speaker 1>implications dramatic. And I want to share a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>from what you read, and let's talk about what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in K through twelve schools because I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>really near and dear to your heart now.

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<v Speaker 5>Denver Gazette investigative columnists Jimmy Sanenberger wrote a column recently

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<v Speaker 5>about House Bill twenty five thirteen twelve. He says in

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<v Speaker 5>this his article, Let's be real, this isn't about gender

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<v Speaker 5>identity or discrimination. It's about whether government can force citizens, businesses,

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<v Speaker 5>or journalists to say things they don't believe. So let's

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<v Speaker 5>move into the bill itself and see where that might occur.

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<v Speaker 2>And shortly thereafter you read it a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of Jimmy Sangenberger's article is that word believe.

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<v Speaker 5>It's about whether government can force citizens, businesses, or journalists,

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<v Speaker 5>which he is a journalist, to say things that they

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<v Speaker 5>don't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are we at in our society right now, when

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<v Speaker 1>this is legislation passing through the Colorado legislature, Well, just.

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<v Speaker 3>As you described earlier, with single party rule, they get cocky, confident,

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<v Speaker 3>and spoiled to the point where, hey, let's go beyond

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<v Speaker 3>the utilitarian features of government building infrastructure like roads and

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<v Speaker 3>bridges and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start managing the people. Let's manage their behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get ourselves involved in their families, in their children's sexuality.

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<v Speaker 3>What business does any government have in getting between parents

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<v Speaker 3>and their children's sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is where they've gone. And I believe, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've said it at a different point a different day,

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<v Speaker 3>that it has become their church. The state has become

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<v Speaker 3>their church. And it's a convenient church because it is

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<v Speaker 3>a church that comes with the force of government. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's where I believe that the Democrats have become.

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<v Speaker 1>You might have actually said that in the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the clip that I did not play. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>touched on that a little bit in that same speech,

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right, this comes down to a belief system

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to enforce that from government, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>not the role of government full stop. And yet we

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<v Speaker 1>have this direction that we've seen across the country of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to enforce a certain orthodoxy. And thankfully, at the

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<v Speaker 1>federal level we've seen pushback from the current administration, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the state level and in school districts and in

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<v Speaker 1>so many other institutions, we still see this radical movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for somebody running for elected, as you are,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Basedly a candidate for governor and currently serving in

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<v Speaker 1>the state Senate, what do you think government should do

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<v Speaker 1>to write the ship on this. Let's say you're elected

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<v Speaker 1>governor and you're looking at these issues, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>want to change?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so the easy, simple thing is just veto the

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<v Speaker 3>snot out of every bill that comes up that is

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<v Speaker 3>inappropriate for legislation, appropriate statute.

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<v Speaker 2>We have our constitutional guard rails.

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<v Speaker 3>Thou shalt not pass into law a bill that is unconstitutional,

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<v Speaker 3>that just is totally ignored. I point that out every

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<v Speaker 3>time an unconstitutional bill comes across, I go up and

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<v Speaker 3>I pointed out, I'll read from the constitution here's what's

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<v Speaker 3>in violation. I'll read from the bill, here's the part

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<v Speaker 3>that's violating that constitutional concept. And they vote for it anyway. So,

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<v Speaker 3>at the very least all of those unconstitutional bills need

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<v Speaker 3>to be vetoed, but beyond that, the government should not

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<v Speaker 3>be playing such an enormous role in our lives, and

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<v Speaker 3>the government should facilitate jobs, facilitate through commerce, education fund

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<v Speaker 3>at least, if not provide, but fund good education. So

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<v Speaker 3>we need to focus on that. So it is my

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<v Speaker 3>first attempt, and I think it would be for any

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<v Speaker 3>Republican coming in just to veto all of that social

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<v Speaker 3>engineering that comes in. But it has to go beyond that.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have to go from saying, Okay, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to stop all the crazy because they've gotten crazy, and

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<v Speaker 3>let's get the government back to what it ought to

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<v Speaker 2>So I think about that a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>What ought government to be doing so in facilitating commerce,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's someff that I've been working on real hard,

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<v Speaker 3>bringing the chipsack, bringing semiconductor manufact out of China and

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<v Speaker 3>into Colorado, certainly the rest of the US, but here.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got Colorado and I was part of that bill,

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<v Speaker 3>got Colorado approved for the chips ACKed, and then to

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<v Speaker 3>get us designated as a tech cub for quantum quantum computing.

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<v Speaker 3>The center of that development of that research is right

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<v Speaker 3>here in Colorado. Now because we won that designation in

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<v Speaker 3>a bakeoff against all the other states that wanted that.

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<v Speaker 3>We won and I led that charge frankly, and then

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<v Speaker 3>third on the other side of the brain on the

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<v Speaker 3>right side, we brought the Sundance Film Festival to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like winning the Super Bowl for ten years in

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<v Speaker 3>a row. This is a big deal, and so we

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<v Speaker 3>will have the arts side coming in. But we facilitate

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<v Speaker 3>these things. We don't create jobs. The government doesn't create

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<v Speaker 3>jobs for just the wasteful ones, but the bureaucratic ones.

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<v Speaker 3>But we can facilitate peoples going after and creating, creating

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<v Speaker 3>commerce and the dignity of work, and we get out

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<v Speaker 3>of their way.

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<v Speaker 2>A few minutes left.

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<v Speaker 1>Time flies when you're literally having fun here in studio,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Baisley. I think about, for example, in education, you

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<v Speaker 1>have parents groups like jeff co Kids First, which has their.

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<v Speaker 2>Gall on Thursday evening.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you and I will both be there, or

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<v Speaker 1>the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network and Protect Kids Colorado. Like

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<v Speaker 1>something similar, more so in terms of advocacy from the

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<v Speaker 1>private sector businesses to push back more vocally against some

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<v Speaker 1>of the regulations you have some of that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's a little bit too subdued to me,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're right, this can't come from these things can't

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<v Speaker 1>come from government.

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<v Speaker 2>You need the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>You need individuals to get engaged and say no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to draw a line in the sand right here,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you.

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<v Speaker 3>A classic example of that is the AI, the artificial

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence fight going on at the state right now. The

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<v Speaker 3>state we have a bill that Governor pull Us signed

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<v Speaker 3>into law under duress because his favorite bill was held

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<v Speaker 3>in abeyance until he signed this bill AI bill, and

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<v Speaker 3>the AI bill that was passed last year goes into

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<v Speaker 3>effect next year. The goal of it was to try

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<v Speaker 3>to prevent discrimination against the protected classes by AI. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But the way the bill reads is that the AI

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<v Speaker 3>developers have to turn their code their software over to

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<v Speaker 3>the Attorney General's office for review. They do not want

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<v Speaker 3>to hand over their intellectual property to the state government

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<v Speaker 3>and trust them to not share it somewhere else, so

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<v Speaker 3>they will move out of the state. My bill that

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<v Speaker 3>I am introducing this year on that is a bill

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<v Speaker 3>that says we get out of regulating the development of

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<v Speaker 3>the software itself, but rather just say we will just

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<v Speaker 3>augment the current statute that says you can't discriminate against

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<v Speaker 3>people even with the use of technology, and then leave

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<v Speaker 3>the technology alone. But that's a classic example of what

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about, the government playing its appropriate role and

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<v Speaker 3>not sticking its nose into how commerce is done.

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<v Speaker 1>Setting guide guard rails and a little bit of guidelines

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mark Baisley, our guest, you're running for governor.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your pitch? Who are you and why are you

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<v Speaker 2>running for governor? Mark Baisley. I share a birthday with

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Sangenberger. That's the qualification. That's all you need, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, this is a it's far more of the

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<v Speaker 3>calling than the aspiration. You know, just every now and

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<v Speaker 3>then you look around and you say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, this is something I'm supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the state.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a much different place than the place I moved

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<v Speaker 3>to thirty six years ago when Lucky Martin IRAQ. Back

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<v Speaker 3>then it was Martin Murriette moved me out here as

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<v Speaker 3>an aerospace engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is worth fighting for to bring it back to the

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<v Speaker 3>incredible place that it has always been. We just need

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<v Speaker 3>to be in common sense back. We need to bring

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<v Speaker 3>our Colorado back and I aim to do that thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>The big question, given the dynamics we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>can't a Republicans seriously win the governorship in Colorado?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always going to have hope. So we have to

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<v Speaker 3>run a perfect game. We have to turn out the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>The competitor that we're going to get probably Michael Bennett.

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<v Speaker 3>Just if it were just that running against that other person,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we could win it. But we have to

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<v Speaker 3>turn out a vote like we've never done before because

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<v Speaker 3>the other side has things really gamed and we need

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<v Speaker 3>to beat that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Overwhelm them, just like Donald Trump did. He won by

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelming the turnout, and so that's what we need to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Baisley, what's your website? Mark Baisley dot com? Iman

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<v Speaker 3>R K B A I S L E. Y.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy birthday, my friend, and thanks for coming by the studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jimmy, appreciate you so much.