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Speaker 1: Hey, you can find all of my podcasts in one location,

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all seventeen of them. Sure. I love the platforms that

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have been available all these years, but it's now time

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to centralize it ero dot net A R R o

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E dot net and thank you so much for your

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support for all these years. Hello on good morning everybody.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, this Chet Richards.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with

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you because you take us into a world that we

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all assume and now you're going to break things down

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that really open up our imaginations as well as our

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desire to explore.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope, so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean to have that side of your personality

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because you know, I've seen your resume, I know what

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you have done. But now you're in that mode of

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you know, sharing things, which which I'm always inspired by.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very glad to have an opportunity to share

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with people. As you say, I've had a many adventures

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and some of them are pretty thrilling, death defying kind

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of things, not only in my travels but also in

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my profession. Because I've worked in the aerospace industry, and

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I've worked on satellites and rockets and all kinds of

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interesting stuff. So I'm an old geezer now, But when

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I was a kid back in the nineteen fifties, I've

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read tons and tons of science fiction, and now I

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live in a science fiction world. I've made my whole

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career science fiction, and I've really enjoyed the quality of

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people that I've met in the industry. You have to

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understand that the guys that put us on the moon,

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and I've had the privilege of working alongside the guys,

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they're really outstanding individuals, both in terms of their personalities

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but also in terms of their intellect. These are really

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first class people, and I've had the great privilege of

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being able to write about these people in my stories,

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so that you get a chance to see behind the

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scenes what was really going on and what kinds of

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people were actually involved in bringing us to this wonderful

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world we live in today.

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Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting about what you're doing in

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sharing it is is that I love sharing this book

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and everything else that you've written with my neighbors across

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the street, because I believe that tomorrow's science fiction people,

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or even anything up in space or technology. It has

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got to start at that age when they are five

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and six years old, and books like this give them

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that opportunity to explore themselves.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope, So I hope younger readers come to

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find my book. I think the fact that I had

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some something to do with the early Star Trek series

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will attract younger, younger people. Of course, that was an

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early adventure. I was a student at the time that

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I was involved with Star Trek. So that's a whole

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other story. And that's written up in the two books

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that I've published now, this latest one and then the

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one that came out a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: So now, when did you decide to put it in

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book form? Because are you reading from your journals? I mean,

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because I mean these stories feel like they're happening even

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as we.

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Speaker 2: Speak, Well they are. Well, there's really two classes of stories.

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Number One, in my outdoor Adventures, I kept the journal,

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a daily journal of what was going on during that

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particular day, and what I was doing mostly was whitewater

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river trips. I did Whitewater river trips from Alaska all

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the way over to Africa, And of course I had

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a lot of friends that I did these excursions with,

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and they noticed. My companions noticed that I was making

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notes every night, and they wanted me to start reading

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those notes around the campfire. Well, it turned out they

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thought I was a pretty good storyteller, so I got

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in the in the habit of reading around, reading the

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day's events around the campfire. Of course, you have to

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be perfectly honest when you do that, because these guys

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sitting around the campfire were there, they saw exactly what happened,

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you tell it. So those kinds of stories that are

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literally drawn from my journals, they have an immediacy because

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they were written down within a matter of hours after

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the events portrayed. But then the other stories, I have

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a very visual memory, so I can put myself back

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in a situation that maybe happened half a century ago,

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and I can rewrite that as if it were happening today.

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Speaker 1: What I'm feeling through your words is I feel like

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that science chows you, and in that process of you

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learning and taking chances with science, that you started feeling

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it in your heart that it may hand. Not only

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did you were you chosen for science, but you had

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to share the story now and it was time to

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grow it forward.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, you know, rereading science fiction as a kid

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just absolutely entrap me into this business. I had to

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get into it. So I studied physics and engineering in school,

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both in physics as an undergraduate, in both physics and

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engineering as a graduate student. So it was a natural

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thing for me to migrate into the aerospace industry because

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that's where the real advanced action was taking place.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And of course I've had well interesting experiences like, for example,

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being on a rocket test and when the when the

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rocket engine blew up. That was that's certainly got my

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attention at the time, and I've written a story about

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that to put the reader into the into the peculiar

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circumstances of sitting in the blockhouse when everything blew up outside.

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Speaker 1: Now, we've we've seen the videos on YouTube of explosions

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and things like that, especially when it comes to what's

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how to do it right. But The thing about it

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actually is that we don't hear the explosion. You've been there, dude,

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is the explosion loud? Is it delayed? I mean, tell

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me about what you go through when when things don't

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go right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to tell you. I was in the

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blockhouse and monitoring my instruments, and what happened was there's

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a little pop. Sound just popped. Really, that's all I heard,

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was a little pop. All the instruments all across the

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you know, everybody was watching their instruments. Everything went dead

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at that point, and one of the technicians said, oh,

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I asked him, what's going on? He says, we just

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there was no noise. Basically you knew what was going

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all the hydrogen fluoride had cleared away. So when we

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and it was completely gone. It was like somebody had

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just taken a knife and sliced away the whole rocket

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test stand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have to understand how big and massive

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they just they just vanished, They just vaporized.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Chester L. Richards

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coming up next talking to an honest to god rocket scientists.

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Oh my god. The name of the book, The Trek continues.

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This is the second of three books. We got to

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jump back into that conversation with Chester L. Richards. I

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got to tell you how important this book is. We

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are in the age of AI technology. And the thing

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is is that a book like this is teaching those

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that are discovering AI, but they're also getting the roots

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of where we were and are before AI started getting

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into the act.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, AI it's a big deal. I would rank it

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roughly as the equivalent to the discovery of movable type

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for printing. Oh yeah, it's really going to change everything now.

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kinds of disruption in Europe, AI is going to cause

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a lot of disruption, and we have we have to

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learn that the AI is a really dangerous tool. It's

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a dangerous technology. It's like we had to learn how

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to get around get along with fire and master fire.

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going to have to figure out AI, and so there's

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a lot of danger involved in there's and we have

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to build institutions that protect us against. One of the

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problems with AI is it's very good at counterfeiting. Yes, yeah,

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I mean you can you can make you can take

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somebody and make a replica of that individual and have

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that replica do all kinds of things that you that

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are counterfeit things, and that's very, very dangerous. We're problem.

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Speaker 1: But what what AI cannot do is build a replica

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of what you did at the Big Bull in Colorado.

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this and seeing photos. Dude, it was almost like you

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were at the ocean, and it's almost like a hurricane

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had hit this area. I mean, because the Big Bull,

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we don't get that dang close to it. But yet

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you write about it and you pull us into that storyline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, of course, that's that's what the job of

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a writer should be, is to pull people in. Let

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me say this, we'd use the term artificial intelligence AI,

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but you have to really understand. This is not an

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intelligent machine. This is a machine for extracting patterns of

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information from the environment, and it does not have intelligence

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by itself, so you have to be really careful in

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using the terminology. It's a very powerful machine and it's

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capable of doing wonderful fakery, but it is not by

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itself a substitute for human beings. Doesn't have that kind

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of the same kind of creativity, and that's where human

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we're basically building the world through our imaginations and AI

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Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting is that that I and

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may I could call this a science project. In the

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way of saying that, I love having an argument with

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chat GPT. I love calling it out saying it's wrong.

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the way that I think it should be. And dude,

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the chat GPT will argue back with.

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Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, well, it'll sharpen your your wits in the process.

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you're basically what you're doing is you're talking to a

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series of patterns that have been pre recorded.

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Speaker 1: But I okay, I'll tell you one thing that really

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sticks out inside your book, and I cannot wait to

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find out what your answer is. In the prologue you

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dated October twenty twenty five. That was new to me.

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That that really captured my attention, and I just wanted

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to hear in your heart. You know. It was like,

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I'm not used to a being you know, because I

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got the book in October of twenty twenty five. You

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wrote that, and you know, you know what I mean.

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It's like, WHOA was this guy time traveling? No?

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did do some time traveling. Let me go into that

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a little bit. So when I went to Africa, I

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was on an expedition that went through wilderness areas on

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a river excursion, and when we got out of the

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wilderness area, we were in an area with tribesmen. At

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the level of culture of the tribesmen was Neolithic. Their

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culture was about basically about ten years ago, and so

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when we were dealing with this people, it was like

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we had gotten into a time machine and gone back

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ten thousand years. Now. The interesting thing about that, in fact,

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we discovered one of the tribes in the area that

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nobody in the outside world knew about. We actually reported

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the existence of this tribe to the outside world. That's

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how primitive these people were. But the interesting thing, and

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the thing that I find most remarkable, is how easy

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it was to get along with these people. I mean,

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we had no language in common, and we had a

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ten thousand year golf in our cultures. But we did

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and laughing, and basically for the few days that we

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you know, the book is so fascinating those

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you can't wait to talk to somebody about it. And

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are you getting that from your followers as well as

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your fans, because you don't mind responding to them at all.

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I mean you're like right there in the circle with them.

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Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing is, first of all, I've gotten

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no negatives. It's been one hundred percent positive, and that

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is so wonderfully gratifying, as you can probably imagine. But basically,

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what people are saying to me is that what I

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record in the books are not just the positive events,

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but also the troubles that I've had along the way.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: For example, when my wife passed away nearly twenty years ago, Now,

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that threw me into a terrible depression, and writing the

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stories was actually the way that I used to get

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out of that depression, to climb story by story back

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into some kind of sanity. Because if you've been if

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you've had that kind of experience, you know just how

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profoundly affecting it is to you in a very negative way.

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So the stories helped me recover to some kind of

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sanity and back to a more or less normal life.

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You never get back to the same kind of normality,

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of course, not after the many years that I lived

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with my dear Sarah. But what I'm finding from a

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lot of the feedback that I'm getting from readers is

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that my descriptions of how you get out of that

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situation is very helpful to people. Everybody's got problems, of course,

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and it's nice to be able to help through my

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experiences help people get through their experiences negative experiences as well.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So now you being a rocket scientist, you being

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a writer, is there a side of your personality that

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would like to reinvent the writing instrument. Because I've been

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a daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four, I

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want to reinvent that writing instrument. I wanted to be

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more comfortable. I wanted to have endless amounts of ink,

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not when the best thought hits me and all of

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a sudden, your writing instrument is empty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the rule of thumb in writing a good

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story is to get a good lead sentence. Yeah, if

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you can figure that. If you can get the lead sentence,

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the story will follow.

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Speaker 1: I just love where your heart is. Are you going

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to put this in a podcast or are you going

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to put this on something on Hulu and or Netflix?

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Because it's like, we read the words, we're hearing your

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voice today. Oh my god, there's such a connection here

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with you and everything growing forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't plan to do podcasts, but I've had

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a number of interviews and a lot of those have

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been posted. I do have a website, Chesterel Richards dot com.

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People can see interviews that I've done with other podcasters,

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which you'll give. You know that that will put a

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little bit more life because they'll be able to see

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me actually talking at the at the camera. But and

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so you know, you'll get a greater sense of liveliness

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when you uh uh uh take a gander at my website.

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But basically, most of the time I'm busy doing my

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work here. I'm writing, and I've got a third book

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that I've been working on that's coming out in a

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year or two that'll be the completion of a trilogy

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that cover my memoirs, and so that that's keeping me busy.

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And and you know, every once in a while, I'll

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get into this business of talking with people with podcasts,

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both video podcasts and radio podcast like this one. Yeah,

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so that happens every couple of years. But I don't

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plan on doing podcasting as a regular uh kind of thing.

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It's it's just not as you know, that's a lot

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of work. Yeah, I'm final lazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I love about you, Chester is the fact

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that you did it. You read all the sci fi

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books you and you became that that rocket scientist. Me.

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I was that punk kid that turned over his dog's doghouse,

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and that was my rocket ship to the moon. And

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to this day, when I look at a doghouse, that's

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that's still my rocket ship to the moon, so you

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at least did it. I just look at doghouses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, probably a bit more than that, because, after all,

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you're living, you're doing a science fiction thing with these podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I never even thought of that. Now you're making

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me have a big ego.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Well, we all need a little ego,

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you know, maybe we need to grow that little ego

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into something bigger.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's what you have. You have to do that

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in order to get anything done. You know that.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That's so true. You've got to come back

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to this show anytime in the future. The door is

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always going to be open for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I'm really enjoying my conversation with you

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and look forward to more of that in the future.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, will you be brilliant today? Okay, sir, I plan to.

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There you go, I'd say attitude right there.