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Speaker 1: We're Tarma Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hello,

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Kitten's welcome back to another edition of the PSO. I

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am the Tea and your tea low Tom Fitzgeryld and

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I'm here with the loan and your tea. Let Lorenz

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and my cousin, I love the husband.

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Speaker 2: And we're here. We're tab Hunter on the table, on

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the table. It's always here. It's so cute. We set

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up the equipment, we sit down, and then he jumps

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on the tabe immediately.

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Speaker 1: Tab Hunter is our twenty two pound ginger boy cat.

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Speaker 2: He is the sweetest boy.

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Speaker 1: He loves us. I have to apologize. The air conditioning

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has kicked in big time this week, and I have

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air conditioning voice, which I get every summer in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I can't stand it.

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Speaker 1: I apologize for my rast people, but I sound a

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little bit like Dale Dickey on Widow's Bay So lesbian.

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We'll get into that. In fact, let's map out this podcast.

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We're gonna do a little bit of TV talking. Well,

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I'm gonna do a little bit of TV talk because

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there's Doctor Who News and I have opinions on it.

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Lorenzo has no opinion.

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Speaker 2: On it, have no clue what so he will get.

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Speaker 1: To sip his tea while I speak. Then we're going

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to jump in on some celebrity stuff, some of which

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is TikTok fueled, some of which is just in the air.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the celebrities who are courtside

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of the next games. We're going to talk about the

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latest hated rivalry, freaking fan controversy, stupid shit, and what

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else are we talking about? Drag Race Yes, Jenks monsoon

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she's gonna be on the West End. Well, she is

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on the West End, and just sort of the question

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of whether or not drag Race is actually are good

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at sussing out talented queens. And we'll end the podcast

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with a little discussion on the latest episode of Widows Bay,

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which we weren't planning on talking about, but there are

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I need to unpack a theory, So in order to

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do that, we'll do that at the end of the

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episode because it'll be all spoiler of the latest episode.

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My favorite uh yeah, absolutely my favorite show on my

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show on right now that I'm like, oh my god,

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there's a new episode today, and I just know.

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Speaker 2: That never happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, it does, but like with Widows Bay, I I

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actually didn't wasn't a late adopter of Widow's Bay. I

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think like the second week maybe I had heard about

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it and I started watching it. But you know, these

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these seasons are relatively long, and the show just when

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you fall in love with the show, it's over.

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Speaker 2: I know. But anyway, we'll talk more about it.

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Speaker 1: But whatever, they are clearly setting up a season two,

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so oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, they better and we are.

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Speaker 1: Happy planning our trip to Ireland.

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Speaker 2: In Scotland and Scotland we've been on.

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Speaker 1: A Belfast place.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, forgot to talk to you about that. But anyway,

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I'm glad I'm not going there.

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Speaker 1: We have friends in North yeah though.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's we've been to Ireland before, it's our first

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time in Scotland. I'm very excited about it, and I

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want to thank every one of you who emailed me.

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Us uh would suggest so.

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Speaker 1: You emailed him please. I barely looked at them.

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Speaker 2: I know they were like, this is a long random

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it's so cute. Anyway, so thank you so much for

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the emails and suggestions. I really appreciate it because you

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guys live there you know it's it's it's better to

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get suggested from local. You know, they know they know

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the places. Anyway, Thank you so much. I can't wait

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to go. It looks like paradise. It looks such like

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such a beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: I know, I can't wait to go to. I'm getting

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very excited. But we are flying out on July fourth,

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which is saying of us, But I need to reiterate

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that we live three blocks from the Liberty Bill and

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Independence Hall and it's all ready.

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Speaker 2: To getting crazy.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not. I mean, Phillies July fourth celebrations

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are always great, but they they they're never as big

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as New York's and Washington d C's, which is kind

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of unfair because we're the whole point. But what Ebbs.

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the crowds are already coming, and I just want to

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in the neighborhood when all this sure.

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Speaker 2: Cleaning up everything, of fixing stuff, everything's new flowers and pots.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to spruce it up. Could be wrong.

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I love now my neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I love my neighborhood, yes, but.

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Speaker 1: Just as an aside. The shots of that fighting cage

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on the White House lawn. It is actually breaking my

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brain every time I look at it them I'm like that,

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what that does not compute?

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's disgraceful. It's sad. That's the word

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Speaker 1: And I I really don't believe that the people who

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support this thing actually support it. I don't think they

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look at that and go, yeah, that's what America is

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all about, that's what the White House should be. They

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just want to piss off people like us. They want

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to piss off.

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Speaker 2: Well, at this point, I don't give a ship what

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they think anymore. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Did you see what the ringside? The ringside? Betsy Ross,

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Speaker 2: I'm done trying to decipher these motherfuckers. So I'm done.

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I'm done. I just don't want.

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Speaker 1: Don't say that.

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Speaker 2: I just want to fight them, that's all. I don't

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care how they feel or think anymore, because it doesn't change,

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doesn't matter anyway anyway.

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Speaker 1: All right, moving on to uh less contentious topics. I

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did want to talk briefly about Doctor Who, which you

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know I'm a fan of I have written extensively about

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over the years. I have a lot of opinions on

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it and this development. Russell T. Davies, who has been

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the showrunner for the last couple of years, and who

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it in two thousand and five and made it an

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international hit, brought success to the franchise that it had

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never really had before, and re energized it for the

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twenty first century. He brought it back after something like

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a sixteen year hiatus or was it that long, Yeah,

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it was sixteen years, nineteen eighty nine. So I think,

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on one hand, Russell T. Davies deserves a lot of

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consideration from the fandom of Doctor Who, like he has

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really he brought that character, put him back on the

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you know, set him on a road towards a level

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are we doing here? Most of which is unpacked. I

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did review most of the of his work the two seasons.

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didn't do every episode because we just didn't want to

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complain all the time. It would have been nothing but complaints.

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Speaker 2: So he.

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Speaker 1: I want to commend him for bringing Judy got One

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in as the lead character. He was the he brought

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him in, and he was the first black man to

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play the character. He was the first gay man to

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play the character. And these were good and necessary things

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to push the franchise forward. And Judy was wonderful in

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the role. Honestly, he was so, so, so good in

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the role. As much as I love Jody Whittaker, who

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in that role. And part of the reason she struggled

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woman playing character exclusively played by men, and I don't

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think the writing ever gave her a way in on that.

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have explored, Okay, your gender has changed, shouldn't you have

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some thoughts about it? And they just kind of waved

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all that away as if it didn't matter. And I

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think that doesn't give an actor something to work with.

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he was gay for the first time, or that we

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knew of the character and black for the first time

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that we knew of and that we had so we

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had him dealing with, you know, racism in a way

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that the character had never dealt with it before or

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rarely dealt with it before. And I had mixed feelings

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about giving the character a sexual attraction, which they did

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in Jonathan Coffin. People loved that episode, but I kept saying, well,

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you know, there's like sixty years of material saying that

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this character doesn't fall in love that much, doesn't have

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an attraction to human beings. So when you make him gay,

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suddenly he can't control himself. There's something a little off

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Speaker 2: I have a question for you. I don't watch the show.

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lot of stuff about it, some of the backlash, of course,

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much black and gay and too much gayness going on?

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's such a thing as I know

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that I agree, but I do think Russell, who is

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of tweaking the nose of the haters. He talked about

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it all the time. He talked about deliberately trying to

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piss them off. Remember, and uh, you know, I don't

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think that's the issue here. He did introduce concepts and

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character types. He introduced a trans character into the you

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Doctor Who, much like the closest analog to it in

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America is probably Star Trek because it's a long running

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science fiction program, which much like Star Trek, Doctor Who

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has especially modern Who has always had a progressive bent

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't so much in the twentieth century,

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Speaker 1: It did a lot of color blind casting, it. It

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on what kind of characters can I mean, it was

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coming back into the fold is that he is an

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old school, old, old old timey fan, and when he

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brought the show back in two thousand and five after

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sixteen years away, he was updating all of these old

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concepts like the Daleks and all this, you know, the

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Sea Devils, whatever, and it was fun and exciting to

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see these things. But now we are twenty years into

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this reboot and he came back and start doing the same.

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was more looking backwards, was more, Oh, we're bringing the

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know whatever. The one thing Doctor Who needs more than

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anything else going forward, if it does go forward, is

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a complete overhaul, the same to the same extent that

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was done in two thousand and five. So I haven't

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even gotten to the announcement. Davies and the BBC were

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teasing some Doctor Who announcement all week long. The last

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time we had heard anything about Doctor Who. It was

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not going to continue on Disney Plus in the United States,

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but there was going to be a Christmas special and

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then they were going to figure it out going forward.

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Christmas special. It was never scripted. Russell T. Davies came

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right out and said, I lied, we didn't have anything.

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We were trying to draw up the interest and he's off.

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sending the franchise to tender, which is in the basically

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means they're looking at offers at any other production company

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who wants to come in and overhauld the character. Bottom

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, I mean it'll be that long.

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Speaker 1: I just think it would be a huge mistake to

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about the Dolleks, let's do a story about the cyberment. No,

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how about you do with you just wipe the slate clean.

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I mean the one that one of the great things

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about the two thousand and five reboot was that they

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they didn't fuss with anything. They didn't even explain who

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they There was a regeneration, but we never really saw it.

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is the new guy, and they just kind of glossed

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over the less whatever had happened in the previous several

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years and I honestly think that's what they need to

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do with this is let let this go fallow for

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a few years and then bring do some exciting casting announcement.

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And if they really wanted to revitalize this franchise, they

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should probably go against the grain and cast an actual star,

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do a stunt casting.

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: I don't care fucking till this Swinton, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Put somebody out.

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Speaker 1: People have talked about her, Oh, she would never do it,

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but Billy, why not? I don't think she does TV

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or I mean, I don't think she does TV at all.

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Speaker 2: Do the stars anyway, but something like that, Do some

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stunt casting for a season, bring somebody in to really

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lend it some star power, redesign the tartists don't do.

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Speaker 1: Don't explain any of it, just go full bore straight

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into the adventures. I don't care about the timeless child stuff,

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don't I really don't care about whoever Judy gotwer regenerated

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into at the end of that last episode. I know

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it's Billy Piper, but please can we forget that that

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ever happened? It was a terrible, terrible idea. So that's

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my thing on Doctor Who Is I did not greet

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this announcement with despair. I was like, no, this is

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actually what needs to happen, and I hope if they do,

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when and if they do come back, I hope it's

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it's a clean I this is sacrilege, but get rid

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of the police box. I'm not joking. Get rid of

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the police box.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: They don't even have them in Great Britain anymore. And

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for the last ten years of the show, the joke

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was always characters in Britain were like, what is that

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blue box? Because they don't have them anymore, you have

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an opportunity there. That ship can look like anything, anything

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at all. Imagine what you could do if you weren't

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locked into this sixty year old continuity. The other thing

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I want to suggest is I really think the show

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should get away from the big cosmic space stuff and

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get back to being a time travel show based in England.

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That to me was always when it was its most entertaining.

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They're kind of the easiest ones to shoot because you

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don't have to do these massive specially. You can just

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find some castle somewhere and shoot it there.

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Speaker 2: That would be I would watch that.

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Speaker 1: It used to be that that used to be the show.

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It was about this this goofy alien who time traveled

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all around England. And I really think it needs to

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get back to that. You need to put a star

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in there. You need to get rid of the tartis

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or the blue box, and you need to here's the thing.

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And again, people are gonna get mad at me, old

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school hoofans are gonna get mad at me. But when

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you look at something like Star Wars or Star Trek,

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the ships, the ships become iconic, they become toys, they

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become things that you want to be in. And he

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flies around in a blue box and I get it.

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It's cute, it's charming, it's twee tradition, but it's it's

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been sixty plus years. Like, maybe give him a cool ship,

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or maybe just give him something that goofully changes every

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week into something else. You have that it's written in.

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He has that perception filter thing. Anyway, I'm rambling in

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a very nerdy way. But my take is, as much

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as I appreciate Russell T. Davies as a gay creator

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and as the guy who brought and he did, he

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gave us queer as folk the original version, I like

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the guy. But he never should have come back to

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to uh doctor. I mean the first thing he did

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was bring back to David Tennant and it was a

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fun thing, but it was kind of a fan thing

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to do. Yeah, it was a precursor to it. Just

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sort of in retrospect, it indicated that he really didn't

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have new ideas, and the new ideas that he did have,

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like talking babies in space, were just all right. So

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we're going to take a short break, and when we

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get back, Lorenzo has much in the way of celebrity

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stuff to talk about. We'll be right back. We're back,

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and now we're going to talk about the Knicks, even

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though we are not sports fans, not basketball fans, and

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not Knicks fans, but that has never stopped us from

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having an opinion. Actually, obviously we're not going to have

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an opinion on the actual games themselves. Except listen, I'm

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happy for New Yorkers. They are that city is thrilled

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in a and they deserve it. They you know, I'm

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just happy for them. It's great when a city has

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got that kind of fever going. And you know, New

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York has waited a long time for an NBA championship

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to come their way again.

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Speaker 2: It almost didn't happen, you know. Yeah, and just see

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so the you know.

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Speaker 1: The the block party, viewing parties, people putting their TVs

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out in the street and everything. I just love that

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it is so quintessentially New York. Also quintessentially New York

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is the heavy, heavy, heavy celebrity presence at the Games,

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and that is what we're going to talk about today.

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Speaker 2: I just I just thought it was interesting because I've

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always seen them, you know, attending games front row. You know,

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that's nothing new, But I don't remember that much attention

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twidst them like there is now.

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Speaker 1: That's because they're a champion.

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Speaker 2: I mean the feel I feel there's a lot more

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now attention to them, and I think it has to

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do with maybe Tim all May and.

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Speaker 1: Of course you do and tell her swift right, they're

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the reason.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not the reasons, but they're they're big names.

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I mean wherever she goes, you know, and and him

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and and Kyla Kylie Jenner. You know, I feel like

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because they're young and they're very popular because usually we're

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people I don't know, famous stars, but not I don't know,

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not on this same level. That's how I feel. But

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my so, I noticed a lot more attention, a lot

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more videos, a lot more pictures. It's because because.

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Speaker 1: Part of that is because they're in the championships, and

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part of that is because they're in the championships, more

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stars are showing up, right, But there have always been

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stars court sided. I mean, Spike Lee and Ben Stiller

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have been court sided next games for years. They're known

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for that. Even Timothy shallow May, long before this season,

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was actually known for being a Knicks fan for showing

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up having court side seats. There was a social media

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post that went out earlier this week which he was

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apparently featured on the NIXT social media like when he

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was fifteen years old, right because he was some super

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fan at the time.

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Speaker 2: I feel that the pr machine is in full force

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now when it comes to those front row seats. Uh,

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you see a lot more And he has designed and

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he has chrumb rit chrumb Heart's designing clothes for him,

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especially to attend the show. That kind of stuff. I

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think it's just a lot more. Uh. It feels more

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like a red carpet than anything else. So anyway, on

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TikTok and everywhere. People were kind of like complaining a

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little bit about that, because I understand if you were

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a fan, if you were if you you know, a

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fan of sports or whatever, and you can't afford tickets,

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there's always that take that you know, these people get

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tickets for free, and you know they get to be

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there and and you know they have bodyguards in front

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of them, disrupting the whole thing. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to say it. Last night Ben

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Stellar was being interviewed post game, but I think by

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Charles Barklay, and he was asked, you know, how long

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have you been a season ticket holder? And he rather

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sheepishly but honestly replied, I'm not They just give select

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liberties tickets. They just give us free tickets.

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Speaker 2: He said, I don't have them.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a backlashing or probably

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I don't know, I haven't checked. At the time. When

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I saw that, I was like, well, at least he's

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being honest. I don't have a problem with it, And

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I mean to be honest this whole conversation. I'm just like,

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all right, I as someone who writes about celebrities and

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their apparent public appearances all the time. Sure, all weigh

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in on this, but I'm not a Knicks fan, I'm

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not a New Yorker, I'm not a basketball fan. So

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whatever happens happens. I'm not offended by any of it.

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I mean, I don't really have like, oh that you know,

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they shouldn't be giving tickets somebody who here's my take,

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And we talked about this before the mics and we're

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flipped on. Excuse me, We've spent the last fifteen years,

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twenty almost twenty years talking about celebrities and how they're

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utilized for publicity and how you know they're brought you know,

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not just for red carpet premieres, but how many times

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have we had a party where they're just selling watches

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or jewelry, right, and they just invite a bunch of

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celebrities every front row at fashion shows, it's the same thing.

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You're just inviting those people, put giving them basically free outfits,

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and sitting them in the front row for the publicity.

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So I cannot in good conscience sit here and say

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wal Taylor Swift doesn't deserve to be there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes she does.

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Speaker 1: She's generating an insane amount of publicity. Of course, so

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was Timothy Shallomy insane amount of publicity. And you know, okay,

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he's he's wearing custom fits from Chrome Hearts or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: But you and I both know our readers, all no,

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our listeners know this is the game. This is the

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celebrity game. You bring them in for attention, you give

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them gifts and whatever.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead. I'm sorry. Now, I do agree that, you know,

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celebrities get everything for free, and obviously tickets too. I

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don't have a problem with that, and I don't have

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a problem with the whole thing. I just understand some

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of the perspective here, because if you were a fan,

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you're focusing on the game and all of a sudden,

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the cameras are shifting to something else and they get

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all the attention. And it does if you watch the videos,

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if you watch them front roo.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're performative.

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Speaker 2: It does feel very performative.

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Speaker 1: A a Risco archetype thing where she ran out onto

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the court last night. Yeah, and you were rolling your

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eyes at it, and I was like, yeah, but she's

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a performer, Like that's that's the way they think.

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Speaker 2: That's a little disruptive to me. If you're a fan

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of the game and the players. It feels like the

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attention is not on the players as it should be

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one hundred percent. That's my take.

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Speaker 1: It also feels like some of these I'm going to

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say it, they're a little gender like.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: You know, people get annoyed at Timothy, but the real

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reason they're annoyed at Timothy is because his girlfriend is

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sitting next to him, right, And people would not get

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annoyed with Travis Kelcey being there, but his girlfriends.

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Speaker 2: They actually got very annoyed with him drinking that beer.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have a problem with him being there,

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that's the thing, right, But anytime Taylor Swift shows up

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anywhere at a sporting event, there's all this discussion about

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whether she deserves to be there and whether she's a

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true fan, And you know what, like football players wives.

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I'm sorry, free pass, and she is almost a football

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player's wife at this point. I don't think we need

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to question why she's at that game. I think it's

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sexist as hell, and I think it's just one of

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those anti Taylor things that no, I don't agree with that.

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I just don't. People have no problem with Ben Stellar

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or Spike Lee or Mike Bloomberg or whoever else is

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sitting front row. But when the girls show up as well,

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are they true fans? Are they acting respectfully?

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Speaker 2: Right? But you mentioned Spike Lee and Ben Steeler for example,

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They've always been attending shows and that level of attention

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was never placed on them.

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I've always seen pictures of what Spike Lee

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was wearing. No, I don't know, I've seen a championship.

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Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of them. But the level of attention

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to the front room now, it's and I'm not just

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00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:57,160
saying the ladies to tell us wife or whatever. I'm

475
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,640
just saying in general, it feels like it's a lot

476
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,400
more at carpety than before. And maybe that's approach mats.

477
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,599
Maybe that's the way they're going.

478
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I this doesn't bother me.

479
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,079
Number one reason is because it is not my sport

480
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,960
or my hometown. But it's New York. There's a lot

481
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,759
of celebrities in New York so and they are in

482
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,759
the championships. Like to say, if the Mets were in

483
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,920
the World Series, I'm pretty sure we would be I

484
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,799
know we would be seeing a ton of celebrities in

485
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:29,519
the stands.

486
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,079
Speaker 2: But New York also doesn't give a shit about celebrities.

487
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,519
And then you can tell if you watch them, they don't.

488
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,599
People around them are okay, I mean they're like, they're

489
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,319
not even.

490
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: No, of course not.

491
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: It's New York. It's New York. They don't give a shit.

492
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,079
Speaker 1: It's everybody's sitting in those sheets has paid thousands and

493
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:46,799
thousands and thousands of dollars, so.

494
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,559
Speaker 2: You don't see much much reaction from them. It's it's

495
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,079
pretty much the whole pr thing on the people attending

496
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,880
the show, and and you know, things like I don't know,

497
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,799
I find it a little bit too much the way

498
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,480
they react in all the running and hugging the players

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920
and stuff like that. It feels a little too much

500
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,599
for me.

501
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: There, all right, I think we've beaten that one. I'd

502
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,319
love to hear your thoughts, especially from any New Yorkers

503
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720
or any NBA fans or Knicks fans. How do you

504
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:20,079
feel about the celebrities showing up in their little outfits.

505
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480
I don't I don't see that much different from a

506
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,440
World Series or even Wimbledon when we cover people in

507
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,119
their outfits at Wimbledon. So I mean, I take your

508
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,920
point about performativeness, but I, as I said, they're performers.

509
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:41,079
Speaker 2: What's next Next we can talk about the uh crazy

510
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,720
wonderful success of Jix Munson Rupol's drag Race. She's been

511
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,640
killing it. She you know, we know she did Chicago

512
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,480
Little Shop of Horrors and Doctor Who. We know all that,

513
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,599
and she's extremely talented. And now she's doing a play

514
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,519
I believe right.

515
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,519
Speaker 1: And she's doing a Judy Garland and yeah play. I

516
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:06,000
saw a music and I didn't love it. I love her.

517
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,759
She was singing Strings of my Heart and I was like, yeah,

518
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,559
she's just sort of rushing through it.

519
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,279
Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm gonna agree with you. I don't love it.

520
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,960
I think she was way more funny on the drag Ratio.

521
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,319
I think when you when the whole when it's a

522
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000
whole show about Judy Garland, I feel like it's a

523
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,039
little too I don't know, it feels like a little too.

524
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:30,960
I don't it's not natural. I mean she plays it

525
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,400
too much, you know. I mean, like all the characters

526
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,200
of Judy Garland feels a little feels a little too overplayed.

527
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing when you get into like Judy in

528
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,960
her Carnegie Hall era, which is essentially what most drag

529
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,839
queens who do Judy are basically doing Carnegie Hall Judy,

530
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,240
and Jinks does this, but I think the mistake in

531
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:59,960
her Judy impersonation is that she overstates like Judy was

532
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,319
very funny, very witty, and very sarcastic, like that was

533
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,440
I mean, And I think that's what Jinks tends to

534
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,799
play up, that sort of half drunk Judy basically half drunk,

535
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,480
sort of mouthing off, rolling her eyes at everyone, kind

536
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480
of wandering all over the stage. But if you look

537
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,839
at Judy in the sixties, before it really fell apart

538
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,000
for her, she was always sharp on stage, even when

539
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,640
she was visibly drunk, even when she was rambling or

540
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,720
getting overly emotional or or getting a little too sarcastic.

541
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,200
When it came time to hit her mark and hit

542
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,599
her she was extremely professional. It was only at the

543
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,640
very very end when she couldn't really do those things anymore.

544
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,839
Speaker 2: And Jinks doesn't play her that way.

545
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,039
Speaker 1: She plays a very loosey, goosey Judy and it's funny

546
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,559
and sometimes she really does sound like her, But I'm like, yeah,

547
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,160
I'm not hearing the precision because that was something. Thing

548
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,759
about Judy as a performer is that she was insanely

549
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,400
precise and technical, almost entire almost all the way up

550
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,079
until the end. So sometimes I don't mean to turn

551
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,720
this into a critique.

552
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: No, it's an interesting critique because it does feel like

553
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,759
someone watched too many videos on YouTube, those.

554
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,079
Speaker 1: Talk show videos when she was like doing the Tonight Show,

555
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,519
and then.

556
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: She kind of does the same, which is not very subtle.

557
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,640
But she's killing it. Everyone is loving it, and she's

558
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,119
doing great, is extremely town. And now she's going to

559
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,200
do O Mary. She did it in New York and

560
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,799
now she's going to do it in England.

561
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,519
Speaker 1: And then the stunt casting for oh Mary is getting

562
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,640
out of hand, don't.

563
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: You listen when when first when O Mary first first appeared.

564
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,079
You know, I love the concept. I loved everything about it.

565
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,920
I thought it was incredible that Colewitz Kolar right, was

566
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,440
getting all this attention. He works so hard. They they

567
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,680
I'm sorry, they worked so hard to make that happen.

568
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,799
So I was very happy with the whole thing. But

569
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,720
then it became the thing now that everybody wants to

570
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,160
play the part, and it's just again attention seeking, you.

571
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,599
Speaker 1: Know, it's a Broadway play, I know, but.

572
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: It feels like, oh my god, I don't know. It's

573
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,559
just like attention on me, me me, me, me me me,

574
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,279
not the project, not.

575
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,359
Speaker 1: The I heard that Jenks was taking over on the

576
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,759
West End for Catherine Tate, who has been I didn't

577
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,079
realize Catherine Tate was playing the character, and I did

578
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,599
sort of go Okay, I mean I get it, like

579
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880
Catherine Tate can play oh Mary as she's written the

580
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,640
sort of over the top, you know, neurotic Cabaret sing

581
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,039
or character. But my first thought was, really is she

582
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,960
doing is she doing that accent?

583
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Well? Is she doing a British like?

584
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Which is silly because of course this play is not

585
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:47,559
remotely historically accurate. There's no point in complaining any worrying

586
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,079
about that. But I do take your part. The only

587
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,920
casting that really made me excited, no, actually was Maya Rudolph. Yes,

588
00:29:55,359 --> 00:30:00,359
because just as it putting a non binary or male performer,

589
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:05,119
because Titus Bridges also played, putting a black woman in

590
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,599
that in those skirts. Okay, that's going to be funny,

591
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,000
especially my Rudolf, who is so funny. Betty Gilpin, sure,

592
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,480
but because she's really talented talented, but I do not

593
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,079
think she's I don't think she's right for the role.

594
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: Not really.

595
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did fine in it. She's done, she's

596
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,559
long done, right, Yeah.

597
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,039
Speaker 2: No, they only do a couple of you know, show

598
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,720
a couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah, a couple of weeks

599
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,720
and that's it. Now. Megan tells her she's gonna do it.

600
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,759
Speaker 1: Well to be honest, that if she can learn her

601
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,279
lines and hit her mark, if she would be perfect.

602
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,799
Speaker 2: If she can remember her lines, yeah, she would.

603
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Be perfect for it. I mean that's she's essentially a

604
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,000
female Cola Scola in some ways, yea, without the discipline.

605
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: All right, anyway, but the whole point on on on

606
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,839
TikTok and everything about Jake Munts, who was said, uh,

607
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,279
very talented drag Queen's you know on the show, and

608
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:05,640
then that we people felt that they should focus more

609
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,920
on that than have just pretty queens on the show,

610
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,839
because then you have this incredible talent Race are Oh Mary, No,

611
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,720
I'm talking about drag Race and Queen's and jig why

612
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,759
why Jackman's it's out there doing so great and uh

613
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:22,880
if you and you made the point that she won twice, right, she.

614
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,079
Speaker 1: Won twice, and I think she's the only one who

615
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:25,599
has one toy.

616
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,279
Speaker 2: But for a long time, drag Race kind of made

617
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,240
fun of people like that, like her her type of drag.

618
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:36,799
Speaker 1: I mean, well, first off, Rue, she has a a

619
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,160
bug up ers about the theater queens, and she always

620
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,319
did Rue and the whole show is based on Rue's

621
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:49,079
concept concept of drag, which is based on Ru's own

622
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,039
career as a drag queen. So Ru did not come

623
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,839
from this very practiced theatrical cabaret sorts background to drag.

624
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:01,759
She came up from the street. She was a club kid.

625
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,759
She did burlesque, she did you know, she did shows,

626
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,079
she did lip syncing and that sort of thing. But

627
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,880
she wasn't a cabaret performer, and she wasn't a theater performer,

628
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,279
and she had no training. And that's why drag Race

629
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,319
kind of disdains those overtrained queens and loves those messy

630
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,559
ass queens who are who make Ru laugh. The show

631
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,960
was always prioritized messy drag, over disciplined to drag, which

632
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,599
is a shame. And we when we were writing our

633
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,440
book Legendary Children, we kept trying to pull in examples

634
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,319
of disciplined drag performers like you know, Charles Bush, And

635
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,319
there is a piece on Charles Bush in the book,

636
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,279
But it was hard to pull those people in and

637
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,440
talk about them because that's not what's the show prioritizes.

638
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,880
It prioritizes street drag, messy drag. It pulls from John

639
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Waters films, and the ballroom. It does not pull from

640
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:04,160
cabaret or Broadway or Vogue, which are all major heavy

641
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200
inspirations on drag. It's kind of like genres of drag.

642
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,279
There's fashion drag, there's cabaret drag, there's Broadway drag, there's

643
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,279
you know, lip syncing drag, there's ballroom drag. And Rue

644
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,279
has never loved those theater queens. It's too Jinx's credit

645
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,079
that she was able to secure two wins basically because

646
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,000
she blew everyone else out of the water. Her talent

647
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,720
level was so high it was hard you could not

648
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,680
deny it. And also she is something of a messy

649
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,000
queen when she wants to be. And I think that

650
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:33,880
did appeal to rule.

651
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,799
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, but yeah, but there are yeah,

652
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,799
I mean, Ben Delacram is another one who's extremely talented.

653
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Jnjerminch is extremely talented.

654
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,359
Speaker 2: Exactly so queens. So people were talking about that, the

655
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:48,480
fact that you know, maybe we should embrace these queens

656
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:49,200
a little more.

657
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Because they said of the Instagram queens.

658
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,759
Speaker 2: And queens were the design of clothes, you know. But

659
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,480
I guess, I guess there should be room for all

660
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:57,799
of them.

661
00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

662
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: My take.

663
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: The bottom line is that Drag Race is not gonna

664
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,400
I mean, it never has. We're heading into almost its

665
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,039
third decade at this point, and I don't think there's

666
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,320
no change coming unless roofsteps but down. There's no change coming.

667
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch the episode without the sound,

668
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,960
it's the same show every single.

669
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're committed to doing I don't hate

670
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,079
the show. I still love to watch Drag Queens. Yes,

671
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,480
I still every season, even of all Stars, I still

672
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,840
am like, all right, new crop, fresh crop, let's see

673
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
where it goes. It's just that the show is very stale,

674
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,039
and it's very hard to write about without sounding bitter

675
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:36,480
all the time.

676
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,599
Speaker 2: Right. I feel the judges are basically the same every time,

677
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,039
you know, like the whole thing with the last the

678
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,719
latest episode with the sisters and Michelle going on and

679
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,760
on about that, Oh they don't look the same. I'm like,

680
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,639
oh my god, that.

681
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: We there again?

682
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: Are we there again? Anyway? It feels like anyway it

683
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,079
needs to be uh freshened up a little bit, I guess.

684
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, I agree with that. Why don't we take a

685
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,480
short break and we'll be right back. We're back, and

686
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,679
I'm just going to toss to Lorenzo who has this

687
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,320
latest celebrity brew haha on TikTok So.

688
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, uh, heated rivalry again, another story. They seem to

689
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,400
be going after everybody.

690
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: They are going to let themselves become the worst fandom

691
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,199
and all of fandom. The reputation has plummeted.

692
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,079
Speaker 2: I knew this was coming. Someone has to take over. Yeah,

693
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,760
I knew this was going to happen. Fame came too

694
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,519
quickly for these guys. Unfortunately.

695
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: It's why I tapped out as soon as I was like,

696
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,519
I can tell what this is.

697
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: And I see I could see the whole machinery in action, uh,

698
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,119
in terms of pr in terms of fame for these guys,

699
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,920
everything the fans reacting. So the bottom line is that

700
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,519
they have no problem with the kind of story, but

701
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:54,440
with everybody else.

702
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: This is what I said to you before we flipped

703
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,639
on the mics. That's my thing. So okay, right now,

704
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360
the fan them is going after Hudson Williams, and Will

705
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,679
and Lorenzo will explain why. But they've actually been going

706
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,679
after him for a while, partially because he has a girlfriend,

707
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,639
and that is killed the fantasy. It killed the fantasy,

708
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,079
and so the fandom was going after him for like,

709
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,159
I don't know, queer baiting or something whatever. I guess

710
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,840
straight actors can't play gay now. And then they also

711
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,840
went after Francois Arnau because they thought he was like

712
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,159
grooming connor story or so I was too to date, Yeah,

713
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,760
because there was some indication that they were having some

714
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,079
sort of fling and there was an age gap, although

715
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,360
it wasn't really anything scandalous. And bottom line is he's

716
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,000
their special curly haired boy that they all love, their

717
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,079
special little queer boyfriend, and they are attacking anybody else

718
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:55,239
who threatens poor little cherubic Connor's story. And again I

719
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,960
saw and you know it's not for nothing. Hudson Williams

720
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,199
is not.

721
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: He's by right.

722
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: So it's the little blonde, blue eyed, curly haired cherub

723
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,920
that they're all trying to protect from these evil evil

724
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,360
Asian men and queer men like older guys. Undertones of

725
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,440
this gross. Having said all that, first of all, we

726
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,360
don't even know if the pictures are real. But describe,

727
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,400
I think the pictures are really okay, Describe what picture the.

728
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Latest bomb is that they found, because they will find

729
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,480
and that's the problem. Now. They found pictures of Hudson

730
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,440
Williams with the swastka drawn on his forehead. Now their

731
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,400
old pictures when he was very young with friends playing.

732
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: They had magic marker, like all kinds of stuff.

733
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: Right. The story, apparently, allegedly is that people were drawing

734
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,679
things on somebody else's forehead.

735
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: They wasn't they were asleep or something.

736
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that, I don't know, but they were

737
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:55,280
just playing. I guess, I guess. You know, you you

738
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,000
couldn't see what they were drawing. Uh, and then they

739
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,320
were done drawing. But you know, at some when you're

740
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,519
going to look and see what they drew. But anyway,

741
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:07,760
that's that's that's my take. Anyway. So these pictures, you know,

742
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,960
resurfaced because he always do, and they were all, you know,

743
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,519
huge backlash and criticizing him for those pictures and stuff.

744
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,280
He has never as far as I know, addressed the

745
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,199
whole issue, hasn't mentioned it, talked about.

746
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: He's smart, he would just talk about it.

747
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,199
Speaker 2: Apparently he wasn't unaware of what has been had been

748
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920
drawn on his forehead. That's the story.

749
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,559
Speaker 1: What is the origin of these pictures? Where were they

750
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,920
found on his social media or.

751
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: No, it's not very clear where they were found.

752
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, but questions.

753
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think if they were faked, he would

754
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,480
have come out and said these pictures are.

755
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: Not even I'm not necessarily suggesting that they're fake, I'm

756
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,760
just what was who who had these pictures?

757
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: Where were they? One of the friends, friends of the friends, Yes, yes,

758
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,079
one of the friends of the friends of the friends.

759
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure fine, Uh yeah, Shade.

760
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 2: I can only say one thing. I'm very very thankful

761
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,000
that social media did not exist when I was a kid. Well,

762
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:07,840
I do not that I did any of that. Have

763
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,639
swastikas on your I never know any of that. Let

764
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,880
me be clear, he had, but I'm sure it would

765
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,800
have me doing something stupid that I'd be ashamed of.

766
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Having said that. I do think when you are how

767
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,400
old is Hudson Williams his twenties, he's twenty five or

768
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,440
twenty six that young. Uh yeah, you really can't claim

769
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,519
that you didn't know the swastikas were bad in twenty

770
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:34,320
fifteen or whatever, like you know it was bad back then. Yeah,

771
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,159
he's twenty five, so the new pictures are only about

772
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:41,960
ten years old. And I mean, listen, yeah, you're right.

773
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,079
We do dumb stuff when we're and I don't think

774
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,280
anything needs to happen. I don't think he needs to

775
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,039
give a statement. I don't think he certainly shouldn't lose

776
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:49,800
his job or anything.

777
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,559
Speaker 2: Right, several times I have stopped and thought about my

778
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:53,880
pets and I was like, did I do it?

779
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,039
Speaker 1: No?

780
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: Never done anything like.

781
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,039
Speaker 1: No, I never know. There are no swastikas. There's no

782
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,239
blackface in that past. I mean, I know that part

783
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,239
of me is pristine.

784
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: No. I wasn't that kind of guy.

785
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 1: But I'm sure I said some stupid ass things that

786
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,239
I would fringe at now.

787
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So apparently I think got so bad that they

788
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,760
somewhere somehow. Simoul Liu, the actor, was interviewed and defended

789
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,119
him up. Yeah, yeah, he defended him. Said, you know,

790
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,000
massive hate campaigns against actors of color has been happening.

791
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,159
Happened to me and he's happened to this guy now,

792
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,639
meaning Hudson Williams, and you know, that's just horrible.

793
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,119
Speaker 1: And he's not the best spokesperson for this because seemingly

794
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,199
has been problematic in his own ways over there years.

795
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,159
He's made comments. Yeah, there's been some problematic stuff in

796
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,719
his own social media in fact, but he's not wrong

797
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,000
about this. He's not wrong about this. Like why, I mean,

798
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,280
what do his fans? What do you care that he

799
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,039
did something stupid when he was sixteen? The only reason

800
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,920
you're making an issue of this is because you want

801
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,199
to somehow hurt him. And the other reason you want

802
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,400
to hurt him is because you're precious little curly boy

803
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,159
is being threatened by the poor biracial Asian Nazi that

804
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,719
you've made up in your head. I think fandoms are silly, silly,

805
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,239
silly thing.

806
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I think these things are going to happen more

807
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,679
and more with social media, you know, because people do shit.

808
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Like that, They're going to I do think it's worth

809
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,480
questioning whether this is a real picture. That's my point,

810
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,239
because we're we are getting to a point where you

811
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,159
are not going to be able to tell easily and

812
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,880
they can put any kind of picture out there. So

813
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719
it's worth questioning when these things come up, and it's

814
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,840
worth noting the implications of constantly attacking this one actor's

815
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,840
co stars because you have a crush on that actor.

816
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,760
And we aren't talking about twelve year olds here, we

817
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,119
are talking about adults.

818
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: I do feel the book people in general are different

819
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,079
breath when it comes to TV shows and movies.

820
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,119
Speaker 1: There are you romance books. That's what you're saying. I

821
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,800
will fill in the blank there. You don't have the

822
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,880
guts to say it now.

823
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: I will say every time a book gets turned into

824
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,960
a movie or a TV show or there's always this conversation,

825
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,400
this craziness showing out somehow.

826
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: That's why I don't like to review shows that are

827
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719
based on books. I don't even like to review movies

828
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,119
that are based on books because people just don't understand.

829
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:24,800
We're not here to talk about the book, right, We're

830
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,599
here to talk about the adaptation.

831
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I think it's fine to make comparisons, but when you

832
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:33,719
fight for those changes or differences, you know, between the

833
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,679
book and the project, I think it's a little crazy.

834
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,480
And Yet when you go after people, go after the

835
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,599
actors and things like that, that's why I don't. Yeah,

836
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,280
I don't touch the show anymore. And there's a new

837
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
season coming and I'm like, oh no, I don't.

838
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Want to be And I'm happy for the actors. I'm

839
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,760
literally I am actually happy for the fans. It's a

840
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,679
good show and everyone is happy with the show. But

841
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,679
this is what happens with the sort of rabid fandoms,

842
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,400
is that they suck all of the joy out of it.

843
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,159
Just as as an aside, Back in the day, long

844
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,960
before I was a blogger, I used to hang out

845
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,159
on nerd forums, on comic book forums, and for ten

846
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,519
years I was a moderator at CBR CBR dot com,

847
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,159
which is a shit site now. But and this is

848
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:25,320
in the nineties and the odds, and every once in

849
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,639
a while I'll go back to those forums because I

850
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,159
still read comics. I still love comics, and I want

851
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:31,800
to have someplace to talk about them. And I'll go

852
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,000
and I'm like, oh god, the worst, the worst thing

853
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,039
you can do to talk about the stuff you love

854
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,400
is to find a fandom, yes, because all they will

855
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,199
do is complain. And yeah, I will go to CBR

856
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,440
or some or I'll look at stuff on Reddit or

857
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,199
on social media conversations about the books that I'm reading,

858
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,960
and it's so sour, it's so entitled, because you have

859
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,760
devoted all of your online persona to talking about this

860
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,360
one thing, right, so the you can't praise it all

861
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,280
the time, so you have to turn to nitpicky complaints.

862
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,280
And the complaints get more and more bizarre over time

863
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,519
because they're fed by a social media crowd and you're

864
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:09,599
all in this little bubble, and your anger is getting

865
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,280
more and more intense over stupid shit, like why.

866
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: There's a tail place where you can have a decent

867
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,039
conversation about anything anymore online because all you have to do,

868
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,679
as a crazy fan is to search that person's name

869
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,599
and then you go there you'll find I mean, I

870
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,960
see that happening all the time. Sometimes I'm like on

871
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Instagram or whatever, the conversation is fine, and all of

872
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,800
a sudden, all these people just showed up and then

873
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,440
ruin it for everybody else because they do a search

874
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,480
and then find that that specific post or whatever and

875
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,239
they destroy it.

876
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,559
Speaker 1: It's true, but that's all I have to say about that.

877
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I don't know. I mean, I

878
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,079
think it's awkward. I'm not gonna, you know, pretend that

879
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:54,239
this is not something that should be criticized. Now. It's awkward,

880
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,880
and you know you shouldn't be doing shit like that.

881
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,119
Speaker 1: But I also don't think he owes anyone an explanation.

882
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,760
I mean, really, if he was I don't know, Adam

883
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,639
January sixth or something like that, But fooling around with

884
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,159
teenagers ten years ago, long before you were famous, someone

885
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,760
found the picture of you, and well, there's something objectionable

886
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,280
in the picture.

887
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I had swatsk on my forehead,

888
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,400
I'd apologize for it, That's all I'm saying. But that's

889
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:17,840
just I.

890
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,159
Speaker 1: Get I mean, I get it. We are in a

891
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,199
very politicized time. We are in a time of rising

892
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,159
anti semitism, so and I get that people's antennas are up.

893
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,960
But I also think expecting stars to apologize for teenage

894
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,880
shit that happened long before they were stars, I think

895
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,960
you just personally, I think he should ignore it. I

896
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,079
really do. But again, we'd love to hear from all

897
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:40,679
y'all on the.

898
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,599
Speaker 2: Should he apologize or ignore it?

899
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Yes? All right, we'll take a short break and we're

900
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,079
gonna spoil the latest episode of Widows Bay. So if

901
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,360
you don't want to be spoiled on the latest episode

902
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,880
of Widows Bay, love you mean it.

903
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: Bye Bye.

904
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,199
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with a Bitter Kitten movie club

905
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,599
on Lorenzo's favorite film of all time Better Babette's Feast.

906
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,159
But we are coming back in a minute to talk

907
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:10,199
about Widows Bay. We're back, and we're just gonna wrap

908
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,719
this up by talking about the most recent Widow's Bay.

909
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,239
I wasn't I wasn't actually planning on talking about it,

910
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,159
but pardon me, tab is walking all over the place.

911
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,840
I had a theory last week about the show, and

912
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,599
the theory sort of was answered in this week's episode,

913
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,440
but there was a bit of a twist to it,

914
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,440
so I did want to get into that. But first

915
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:41,199
I will say I love every episode of Widows Bay

916
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,320
and the scene with Dale Dickey actually made this episode,

917
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,960
but this was probably my least favorite episode of the show,

918
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,800
just because there wasn't it felt like a bridge between

919
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,880
everything that had happened and whatever they're planning for the finale,

920
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,760
So it was just more you know, it was still

921
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,119
a lot of it felt liminal. It felt like an

922
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:02,639
interim episode, right.

923
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: Not not a lot happened, But whatever happened was excuse me,

924
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,840
freaking hilarious. I only think the Dale Dickie scene will

925
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,880
now I think the whole thing was funny. First of all,

926
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,079
I was thrilled to see Betty Gilpin Beck briefly, Yes, briefly,

927
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:17,760
but Beck, Oh you're back.

928
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they should bring her back in season two

929
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,880
as a descendant.

930
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, They're

931
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,880
not going to do it. I just find the show

932
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,320
so witty, so clever, so amazing. Yeah, lines are just

933
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:40,679
freaking intelligent and hilarious. I mean, I just love the show,

934
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,039
love the show. Was not expecting to love the show

935
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,840
this much. But I think it has a lot to

936
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,840
do with the writing, obviously, but also the performance. They're

937
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,400
all amazing.

938
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 1: Matthew Rees, Katia Flann, and Steven Root are just the

939
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:55,920
MVPs of this show. But then you have people like

940
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Dale Dickie, who I'm so glad they gave her that scene,

941
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,480
and I I really wish they would give Jeff Hiller

942
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,360
a scene. That guy won an Emmy last year for

943
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,239
Somebody somewhere and he's in the background and he's funny.

944
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,119
But they really I want them to give him they started.

945
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,039
That's the other thing is that the island, the show

946
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,000
is populated with all these other people, and you're starting

947
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,679
to get the sense, all right, well let's see some

948
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,519
of these other people. Like they're starting to pay more

949
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,079
attention to the sheriff and his wife who are facing

950
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,239
a real dilemma because she's about to give birth.

951
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna happen. I mean, yeah, I think that's

952
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,239
gonna happen.

953
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:38,039
Speaker 1: So here's my take. I said last week that I

954
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,079
I pointed out the painting in the inn that showed

955
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,280
the child swimming away in the water from the you know,

956
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,559
the in the storm or whatever, and that this implied

957
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,960
that one of the founder's children had survived, and if

958
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,559
that's the case, then his bloodline is probably still going on.

959
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,920
Why else would you show that unless that's the point.

960
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,800
And I was correct on that, which I'm not patting

961
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,679
myself on the back. It was very, very obvious that

962
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,639
that's where the show was leading, and everyone was talking

963
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:06,719
about him online and on Reddit. So I'm not taking

964
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,320
credit for it, but I really thought it was going

965
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,360
to be a son like dramatically speaking, that makes the

966
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,840
most sense. He's so conflicted that this is even real.

967
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,480
But at the same time, for sixteen years, he's been

968
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,159
keeping his son under wraps, and.

969
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,679
Speaker 2: When they made him sit down and pay attention to

970
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:26,519
the whole presentation, I was like, it's gonna be him.

971
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:29,239
It's going to be a son, and I I have to.

972
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: It's sort of like in Severance when they in the

973
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:36,880
first episode of sevens when they took a long time

974
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,039
revealing who Mark's dead wife was, and you really really

975
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:45,119
thought it was his coworker, britt Lower. You really thought

976
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:46,719
that was going to be the reveal, and it turned

977
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,480
out to be his other co worker. And when I

978
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,679
remember when that scene happened, because you were everything was

979
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,400
indicating that you know, the person you think it is

980
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,679
is this person, and at the very last second they

981
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,599
show somebody else. And I remember at the time saying,

982
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,159
my brain shut off. I did not expect that, and

983
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:09,599
I felt like the writers were deliberately like inside my head,

984
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,159
fucking with me. And I think this is kind of

985
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,280
a I think the writing is smart enough to know

986
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,519
that at this point the viewership will be making connections

987
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:21,880
and assuming it's the sun right, and it turns out

988
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,159
she gets to this long diatribe where she points out

989
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,039
every dead baby, every lesbian, and every developmentally disabled child

990
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,920
that was born in the last four hundred years. She

991
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,679
didn't say developmentally.

992
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: Now the overhead projector.

993
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: And she's smoking. But when she gets to the and

994
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,960
the reveal is Ruth, the elderly secretary played by Kay Callen,

995
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:48,519
and then it turns into this whole discussion of do

996
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:50,639
we kill her or whatever.

997
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: The whole conversation was hysterical.

998
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 1: I suspect Ruth is not going to survive the storm anyway.

999
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,000
She's ninety years old, and they said she was still

1000
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:02,960
in her house. But I just did, Yeah, I just

1001
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,480
want to say that I don't think she's the end

1002
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,840
of the line. They made a point of showing a

1003
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,679
young Ruth in the nineteen fifties who won I think

1004
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,360
the Miss Widow's Bay, Beauty Pasant or whatever. And I

1005
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,440
said to Lorenzo, I was like, she got a secret baby.

1006
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,039
I mean, why would they show her young and beautiful?

1007
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,559
Speaker 2: Right?

1008
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,559
Speaker 1: And I don't believe that was a picture of Kay Callan.

1009
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,599
I think that was some actress that's going to appear

1010
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:27,719
in a flashback at so I.

1011
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: Think that's what's going to happen. She's going to be

1012
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,280
dead with the storm because of the storm.

1013
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: And she'll be his secret grandmother was going to think

1014
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,400
it's over over and something happens.

1015
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: There's a baby. There was a baby somewhere. Yeah.

1016
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But that's my take.

1017
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: I agree. No, I think that's that's I don't.

1018
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: Think this show necessarily needs to be unpacked like a

1019
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,239
puzzle box. I mean, I know there are clues. I've

1020
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,360
actually started rewatching it and there are oh okay, I

1021
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,760
mean there are things that are foreshadowed a lot throughout it,

1022
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,000
like the painting, like the think out the baby, you know,

1023
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,199
a kid in the water and everything. This was all

1024
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:07,360
rather meticulously plotted out. But I I think it's more

1025
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,599
about the performances and the humor of it. I mean,

1026
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,159
it's fun to unpack where the show is going, but

1027
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:14,960
it's we're not talking lost here, you.

1028
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: Know, right. What I love about the shoe, it's something

1029
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,519
very simple that not a lot of shows do, is

1030
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,920
to make things look real. When he's removing the put

1031
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,079
off the wall, I mean, I forgot about that was

1032
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,440
a really funny scene. Yes, what would happen if you're

1033
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,800
trying to if you're angry and you're trying to remove

1034
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,920
a very heavy frame off the wall. Just hilarious when

1035
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,239
she's smoking and she turns a fan on and it's

1036
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,199
just like I can't hear anything, we can't hear and

1037
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,519
then she just and you know, dead baby, dead baby lesbian?

1038
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,199
Do you really have to say it like that? What?

1039
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,639
I can't say that anymore.

1040
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: It's just a it's a really funny.

1041
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 2: Show, funariot.

1042
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: You know why I don't think this one rates all

1043
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,599
that high for me is because there was nothing scary

1044
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,280
in it. Oh okay, there were no scares. It was

1045
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,679
just that's what I mean about it being kind of liminal.

1046
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,039
Speaker 2: Like well, the guy, you know, the guy who got

1047
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,679
sucked up by the wasn't scary. Funny, but it's funny,

1048
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:21,519
but it's also like horrifying, I know, the whole sky,

1049
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,800
you know. And yeah, they do that. They do a

1050
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,360
good job. I think that. I mean, I'm loving the show.

1051
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,320
I'm having the show.

1052
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: But I want them to bring Betty Gilpin back as

1053
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,639
a descendant.

1054
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's actually Sarah Westcott.

1055
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,559
Speaker 1: I think her name is.

1056
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,079
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if that would be really fun? Anyway,

1057
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,159
keep watching if you're watching it, I you know, it's.

1058
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,159
Speaker 1: Fun canally next week.

1059
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 2: If I haven't watched it yet, give it a shot.

1060
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,760
It's a fantastic show.

1061
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,559
Speaker 1: It is, and I believe that is it for us

1062
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,320
this week. We will be back next week withever with

1063
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,719
whatever crosses ours across as our desks, and we will

1064
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
be back tomorrow. Yes for the Bitter Kit and move

1065
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,559
the cleb, and we will have much to say about

1066
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,280
Babat's face. Until then, take care of yourselves of you

1067
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,440
mean it, but bye,