1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,119 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,160 me Rick Weist and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,879 And welcome in. If you're listening to the radio or 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,719 our podcast, feel free to tune in on YouTube to 6 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:26,359 check out our faces and images of the Gardening Simplified Show. Well, 7 00:00:26,399 --> 00:00:29,719 today's show, we're going to take time into account. Plant 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,119 selection must consider a plant's growth rate, its mature size 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,359 and form, and the maintenance that it's going to require. 10 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:41,719 Fast growing plants may or may not be desirable depending 11 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:44,439 on the size of the size of the site or 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,000 the design intent and the expected level of maintenance. Timing 13 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:52,600 is everything. It's important to know the eventual mature size 14 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:55,159 of a plant so they can be placed in the 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,320 right location and space properly when they're installed. And I 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,679 think the falling of leaves is a timing and time 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,879 factor thing. The shortening day length and oh no, that's right, 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,840 daylight saving time. The end of daylight saving time. 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: Is coming here, yes, very soon. Get that extra hour sleep. 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Gotta love that. 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Wow. Starts on what back in March right and ends 22 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:25,719 November two. Gonna have to deal with that darkness because 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,599 I love working in the landscape at night. By the way, 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,159 I'm very horse today. I feel great, but I have 25 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:33,799 no voice. 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,159 Speaker 2: Yes, so please bear with us. Rick is okay. We're 27 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:40,280 all together in the studio. He's not contagious. He's feeling great. 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,280 But we're calling him pony because he is indeed a 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,959 little horse. 30 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,959 Speaker 1: I think we'll horse around today. This should be fun. Well. 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,640 The time factor regarding growth can be affected by looking down, 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,280 not up. I always say that when you look at 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,400 a plant, look down, not up. Take a look at 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,640 the root system and where it's established. And timing is 35 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,879 important with a host of things in the landscape. Whether 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,919 it's crawler emergence when you have scale applying crabgrass preventer 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,599 in the spring when the soil temperatures are just right, 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,280 or b te sprays for spongy moss in the trees 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,800 in early May. All of these things require timing, and 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,120 of course timing is very, very important to get it 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,439 right the first time. Trees are an obvious time factor 42 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:33,080 in the landscape. What was it that Alexander Hamilton said 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,319 about legacy? Legacy? What is a legacy. It's planting seeds 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,400 in a garden. You never get to see so planting. 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,280 And by the way, Alexander Hamilton would have planted a 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,159 sweet gum tree. 47 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: By the way, Oh. 48 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: He loved sweet gum trees. They were all around his house. 49 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:53,560 If you visit his home in New York, you'll see 50 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,080 sweet gum trees all around the house. But you think 51 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,719 about trees like metasaquoia, glip to sturboides, the down redwood trees. 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Just making the right decision because you're making a time 53 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:08,039 investment as far as trees are concerned. And as the 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,560 leaves start to fall off the trees and fall, you know, 55 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,639 we think a lot about the trees. I was thinking 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,280 this past week, Stacey, about the katsuura tree. I don't 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,319 know if you like that tree. Some people call it 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,080 the cake tree. 59 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: I love it. 60 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. They smell like caramel, candy and fall. They're not 61 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:29,520 technically supposed to be aromatic, but the fallen autumn leaves 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,039 have been varyingly described as smelling of cinnamon, burnt sugar, 63 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,759 or ripe apples. But isn't fall just a great time 64 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,159 of the year. 65 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:41,759 Speaker 2: Yes, And you know the kats are Orcitiphylum japonicum is 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,120 not the only tree that does have that kind of sweetness, 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,759 which makes sense because what's happening in fall is they're 68 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:50,439 storing sugars, so those leaves still have you know, sugars 69 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,439 and energy and all of that in them. But it 70 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:57,719 probably does it better than any other tree. To me, 71 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,400 it smells like fresh baked cookies. M that's like that 72 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,319 when you just take them out of the oven and 73 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:05,879 then everything's warm, and you mostly only smell it on sunny, 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,800 dry days. If it's really wet, cold, you don't typically 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,560 smell it. But once those leaves fall, yeah, and they 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 cover the ground. It is the first time I ever 77 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,920 experienced it. It was like you couldn't even believe that 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,920 it was actually real. 79 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:20,399 Speaker 1: Smells like cotton candy. 80 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it definitely has a strong kind of burnt 81 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:25,959 sugar smell. Now I'm glad you were talking about time 82 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,560 and mentioned Metasaquoia. Okay, because you want to talk about 83 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,639 a tree out of time, I mean, I could go on, 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,519 I won't. But Medaicaicoia, also known as the Don redwood, 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,639 was a tree that was only known from the fossil record. 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,040 They thought that it was extinct until the nineteen forties. 87 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:46,839 That recent wow, and some scientists deep in China found 88 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:50,000 some and were like, oh my gosh, it's not extinct. 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,399 And the first plants in the US came to the 90 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:55,560 Arnold Iboretam and they are still there today. You can 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,240 actually see the very first one. And that's just a 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,959 great story, you know. Of course, yes, you need time. 93 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,319 It's actually pretty fast growing plants, sure it is. My 94 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:05,360 friend has one that he planted. His is the yellow 95 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:09,160 variety called ogon, and I can't believe how fast it grew. 96 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:11,639 But such a great story, you know, for when people 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,639 are visiting your garden, when people ask, hey, your pine 98 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 tree over there is lose and leaves everything. Okay, not 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,839 a pine tree, but it is a deciduous kind of 100 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:23,720 for such an amazing plant. Really one of my favorite. 101 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: Right and last fall when I was at the Arnold 102 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,439 Arbor Ritam. They're just majestic, huge, beautiful. 103 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: And they're folly just described as salmon colored before it falls, 104 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,040 and that is a very good descriptor of it. It's 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,040 kind of hard to imagine, but when you see it 106 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,399 in person, with that red bark and that beautiful salmony color, 107 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,800 it's it's like a holy tree. It's really amazing. 108 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: So if you need time for your landscape to develop, 109 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:51,279 I want to remind you using annuals in your landscape 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,879 is a great way to fill in your landscape as 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,399 plants that you want to develop are maturing. And of 112 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,920 course here in the north, I love tropical plants. But 113 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:05,720 the bummer is we have to start over every year. 114 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:09,199 I have a monstrous banana tree in my yard. It's 115 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,279 just spectacular right now. The neighbors comment on it. It's 116 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,959 a northern banana musa bajou, so it'll come back next year. 117 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,040 But it's gonna die all the way back to the ground, 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,240 so you have to start all over again. But that's 119 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:24,519 okay because that's what we do with herbaceous perennials. Also, 120 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,040 and we've all heard about slow cooking Stacy. You know, 121 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,160 I love five galeon pails. I also like crock pots. 122 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,759 Speaker 2: Oh do you Yeah? How many do you have one? 123 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh? 124 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,319 Speaker 2: Well, that's good. It's not to the level of the five. 125 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not collecting pots. I just like cooking in 126 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:42,120 crack pots. 127 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there is talk about an investment in time. 128 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,519 There is nothing quite like putting the time into making 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,680 a meal and then putting it in the slow cooker 130 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,839 and coming home to that. Yeah, and it's perfect for fall. 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,920 That is like a great thing for fall. I'm glad 132 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,680 you mentioned about annuals. I often recommend that people use 133 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,800 a annual vines on trellises and pergolas and so forth 134 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,639 while they're waiting for their other plants to get established, 135 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,399 because something like a morning glory. I mean, there's so 136 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:11,360 many interesting vines. Your highest of beans, of course, are 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,279 a great choice. That's a nice way to fill something 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,000 up while you're waiting for your clematis or you know, 139 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,000 climbing hydrangear or whatever to actually start doing its thing. 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,519 I think it's something that people don't really consider very much, 141 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:28,680 is just taking up space while you wait for things 142 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,639 to fill in. And it's a very handy way to 143 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:33,040 get more plants in. And who doesn't want that. 144 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:35,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great way to fill in. So what 145 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:39,120 about slow plants. I like to think about low grow 146 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,199 or slow grow plants. I would market them as plants 147 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,160 that pump the brakes. You know. One that comes to 148 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:53,160 mind is Japanese maple. Japanese maple has this inappropriate reputation 149 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,560 of being difficult to grow, and it's not, but it 150 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:59,600 does need to be placed in the right place, and yes, 151 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,079 it isn't going to grow like a weed. So plants 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,519 that tap the brakes and we'll talk about those in 153 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,199 segment four. I'm sure you've got something to say about that. 154 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,759 Also in Plants. 155 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:14,319 Speaker 2: Out, Plants on Trial is dedicated to growth rates today, 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,399 So hang on to your hat. You know. In Japanese maples, 157 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:21,199 I think one of the reasons it's, you know, you've 158 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,279 got me thinking it's a little bit like big leaf 159 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 hydrangees and that everybody loves them. So they're getting these 160 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,120 plants because they're beautiful and they want one, and then 161 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,759 they're sticking at any old place and they're plants that 162 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,240 aren't necessarily difficult to grow, but they have their specific 163 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,200 needs and if those needs aren't meant, the plant is 164 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,679 not doing what you bought it for. And so yeah, 165 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:44,960 a lot of times people feel really discouraged with it, 166 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,200 and especially if they buy a really expensive Japanese maple, 167 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,799 because some Japanese maples out there are pretty. 168 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: Darn pricey, and of course there's many different types of 169 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:57,080 Japanese maples too. You have upright, you have mounded, you 170 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,279 have weeping or pendulating Japanese maple. So all of that 171 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,960 comes into play also, So as we talk about timing, Stacey, 172 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,320 I do have to admit that when it comes to 173 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:12,919 anticipation in the gardening season, I tend to overdo it 174 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,320 a little bit. I do it on the back end 175 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,440 in fall I'm out there in the snow, as well 176 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,960 as on the front end getting out there too soon 177 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:24,759 in spring. I can't help it. So this week's limerick 178 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:29,159 is devoted to that planting too early in spring I'd chosen. 179 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,919 Who knows what kind of weather blows in too much 180 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,639 of a rush, turn the plants into mush. Because now 181 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,679 all my begonias are frozen. They tell me. Timing is everything. 182 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:44,480 It keeps things naturally from spiraling. The calendar says freeze. 183 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,320 But I'm anxious out I squeeze all the growing season 184 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,720 I can ring. I'm out there before winters loosed its grip, 185 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,039 and after falls chill, the leaves strip. If it's muddy 186 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,759 or cruddy, take your chances, good buddy, get out there 187 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,120 and let it rip. That's me in a nutshell, Stacy. 188 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, hey, as long as you're willing to 189 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:09,759 accept those mistakes that are made from your enthusiasm and 190 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,559 not beat yourself up over them. I say, go for it. 191 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,519 I totally get it. 192 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, very mulch. Let's talk more plant timing coming up. 193 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,679 Plants on trial next here on the Gardening Simplified Show. 194 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: Beautify your home and community with Proven Winner's Color Choice 195 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,279 shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties 196 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,279 to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for every 197 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,399 taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive white 198 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,240 container your local garden center or learn more at Proven 199 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:47,759 Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome 200 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:50,120 back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Work Today, we are 201 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:53,480 talking about time and there's a lot of ways to 202 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,159 think about time in the garden. In fact, a garden 203 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,240 is a physical manifestation of time and space, which is 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,000 a really interesting way to think about it. But you know, 205 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:06,919 as I've said before on the show, we get a 206 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,759 lot of questions from home gardeners around the US and 207 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:12,799 Canada here at Proven Winners, and we're always happy to 208 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,559 help and to answer those questions. And I cannot even 209 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,440 tell you how many times I have gotten questions about 210 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,159 growth rates, which is a totally normal thing to wonder 211 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,360 people will say. You know, you would think people would ask, hey, 212 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,320 is this a fast growing plan or slow growing plant? 213 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:32,279 But no, No, The common question that I have gotten 214 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:38,679 goes like this, tell me in number of inches how 215 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,919 many you know? Or tell me exactly how many inches 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,320 of growth this plant is going to put on every year? 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,919 And I have to think that this is most likely 218 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,639 one type of person. I'm guessing probably an engineer who 219 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,600 is used to working in very predictable kind of scenarios 220 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,960 where you don't have all account or possibly an account. 221 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,440 It's someone who is very you know, used to working 222 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,639 again in these in these detailed scenarios where there's no unpredictability, 223 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:13,399 and the simple fact is plants are unpredictable. Now, I 224 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,840 don't want people to think that there is not an 225 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,879 inherent genetic component to plant growth. There is a plant, 226 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,440 any specific variety, a species of plant, does have an 227 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:30,080 element of genetic contribution to its growth rate. It is 228 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:34,279 naturally slow, it's naturally fast, it's naturally medium ish growth rate. 229 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,200 But really, the reason that we cannot answer those questions, 230 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,039 and I'm sure it drives those innocent, you know, people 231 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,320 crazy when we can't give them that answer. But there's 232 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,200 just so many factors that influence growth rate. I mean, 233 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:51,720 all of that information that's there on your plant tag 234 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:54,159 when you buy a new shrub or any kind of plant, 235 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,399 all of those all of that information is directly impacting 236 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:02,759 the growth rate. The light, the soil, the water, the fertilizing, 237 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,039 the hardiness zones that are also on that tag, All 238 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,440 of those factors are going to influence how fast a 239 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,440 plant grows irrespective of that inherent growth rate that it 240 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:16,360 just has. 241 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,639 Speaker 1: I agree, that's really well said, and it's contingent also 242 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:23,360 on where the plant is native to. 243 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, you look at sowarro cactus in the desert, 245 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:32,720 succulents in the desert, or alpine plants up in mountainous ranges. 246 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,240 They naturally are shorter or slower growing. 247 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,919 Speaker 2: Right, they can serve their resources. You know, it takes 248 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:42,799 a lot of resources to grow rapidly. So when you 249 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:46,159 have plants typically from areas where maybe the growth is 250 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,080 not so favorable, Yeah, they do tend to be smaller, 251 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,360 slower growing because it is a better use of their 252 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:55,480 resources rather than putting tons of resources into growing, you know, 253 00:13:55,919 --> 00:14:00,679 leaps and bounds every single year. You can use this 254 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,120 to your advantage, and I think that's something that you know, 255 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,320 I certainly do. In my garden. It's very dry, and 256 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,240 I actually appreciate how in many cases that dry soil 257 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,840 can help to manage things. I think a great example 258 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,639 is a plant that I talk about often on the show, 259 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:18,279 al Nino Chatalpa. So I have this plant in my garden. 260 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,279 I love it. It stays quite manageable despite the fact 261 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:22,879 that it's now and it's third or fourth year in 262 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,200 my garden. If you were to come here, just outside 263 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,519 of Studio A, there are a number of Alnino chetalpas 264 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,360 planted in front of the building and they are on 265 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,919 drip irrigation, and boy are they taking full advantage of 266 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,480 that extra water. They're enormous, and I think they're even 267 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:42,519 younger than the plant that I have in my yard. 268 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:45,240 I think there are planted a year after maybe and 269 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,159 over here, you know, they're skyrocketing to ten to fifteen 270 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:53,080 feet tall, very wide, where you know mine is probably 271 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,480 around eight feet. And it's not an issue of pruning, 272 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:59,200 it's an issue of the resources that it gets. So 273 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,679 it we're unable to give like hard and fast answers 274 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:06,159 to these questions. But as much as I know that 275 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:09,840 is frustrating for some people, what we can do is 276 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:13,639 kind of help you understand which plants are going to 277 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:17,799 be slower growing even under ideal conditions, and which plants 278 00:15:17,799 --> 00:15:20,200 are going to be faster growing. And I think you 279 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,279 know a lot of times people would automatically assume that 280 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,120 faster growing is better, and that's not the case. Of course, 281 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,000 if you want privacy, yes, faster growing is going to 282 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:32,039 be better. But a lot of times slower growing plants, 283 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,840 like you said, rick, are going to be easier to 284 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:36,320 care for. You're not going to have to worry about 285 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,440 pruning them, You're not going to have to worry about 286 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:43,600 them overgrowing the space. Dwarf conifers great example. Dwarf conifers 287 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,240 can actually get quite large. It's just that they are 288 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,559 so slow growing that it takes decades, if not centuries 289 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,799 for them to actually turn into anything that is not 290 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,559 considered dwarf. 291 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: It's that way with a number of evergreens, right, I mean, 292 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:02,000 if you think about bristle cone pine, yeah, right. 293 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: Overall, I would say evergreens in general, there are some exceptions, 294 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,559 we're gonna go over tend to be on the slower 295 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:14,399 side even under ideal growing conditions. Of course, there are 296 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:18,320 definitely exceptions, like I said, but overall, if someone says 297 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,919 to you, like, hey, what is a slow growing plant, 298 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,080 you can say, most evergreens pretty on the whole, pretty 299 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,240 slow growing. And I would consider personally, I don't know 300 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,600 how you feel about this, but I would consider a 301 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,720 slow growing plant one that is putting on four inches 302 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,679 of growth or less each year. Yeah, does that seem 303 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,559 like a reasonable amount. And this is after they're established. 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,759 This is another really important factor is you know, those 305 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:47,440 first two to three seasons, you're not necessarily going to 306 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,840 see a lot of growth on top, whether the plant 307 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,320 is considered a slow growing plant or a fast growing plant, 308 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:56,159 because all of those resources are going into the roots. 309 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,879 Like you said at the beginning of the show, Rick, 310 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:00,000 you have to look down. I mean you can't really 311 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,480 see the roots, but you know they're down there. And 312 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,039 until that root system is developed, the plant is not 313 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:07,839 going to be able to grow very much because the 314 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,400 root and the top grow in proportion to one another. 315 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,720 So if it's slow growing on top, chances are the 316 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:16,160 roots are also going to be on the slower side, 317 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:18,079 and it's going to need a little bit more time. 318 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,480 So slow growing we're going to count under four inches 319 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:23,359 of growth per year. For fast growing, we're going to 320 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,440 take that up to eight plus inches. What do you 321 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,400 think does that seem reasonable with a good guide, because 322 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,799 of course this is all very relative. So slow growing 323 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,519 number one. This is so for plants on trial. We're 324 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:36,720 just going to give you five slow growers and five 325 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,920 fast growers from the Proven Winner's Color Choice line. Number 326 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,160 one Boxwood. It is honestly surprising to me that boxwood 327 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,759 is as popular as it is given how slow it 328 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,799 is to grow. And it's such a great plant. I mean, 329 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,839 we're really lucky to have it. It's beautiful, it's durable, 330 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,000 but it is slow, and it's especially slow for growers. 331 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:00,640 So you have to understand that if you are bringing 332 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,279 boxwood into your garden, you're going to be paying a 333 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:04,559 little bit more for it because you are buying time. 334 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,119 That is, it takes longer to actually produce. Now there 335 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,079 are some faster growing boxwood, like our Sprinter and new 336 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,279 Gen Freedom, which will be new to the Proven Winner's 337 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:17,319 Color Choice line in twenty twenty six. These are fast 338 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,240 growing for boxwood, so there's also this element of relativity 339 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:23,599 you know, within there. And the flip side of those 340 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,359 being fast growing boxwood is that you actually have to 341 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,799 prune them because if you don't prune them, they will 342 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,480 get kind of open and floppy without being prune. So 343 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,160 you trade off that lower maintenance where you might never 344 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,279 have to prune a slow growing boxwood if you don't 345 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:39,759 want to, you will absolutely have to tram these faster 346 00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:44,559 growing varieties. Number two barberry, and this is a plant. 347 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:47,319 Again I'm so surprised that it is as popular as 348 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:50,119 it is when it is an absolute bare for growers 349 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,720 to produce. It's so slow. But on the other hand, 350 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,440 that is one of the reasons why it's considered so 351 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,720 low maintenance, because you don't really need to prune it 352 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,839 because it grows so slowly and so much of that 353 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,880 since its stems are covered in thorns, then you don't 354 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,279 have to go fussing around with pruning something and getting 355 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:09,279 prickled the whole time. Winterbury holly a pretty slow plant, 356 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,200 especially in less than ideal conditions, but overall it is slow. 357 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,400 If you want to grow winterberry holly, I would encourage 358 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,279 you to seek out the biggest plants that you can. 359 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:21,400 Don't start with those tiny mail order plants unless you 360 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,480 want to do a lot of TLC and a lot 361 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:27,960 of waiting until you get that fabulous berry display in winter. 362 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Taxis another plant. How is this plant so popular when 363 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:33,640 it is so slow? 364 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,839 Speaker 1: We're not talking about the state of Texas. 365 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:41,839 Speaker 2: Yes, we are talking about you. And interestingly, the smaller varieties, 366 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:44,079 or the more upright varieties, are the ones that grow 367 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,519 more slowly. So we have stonehenge skinny that is a 368 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,920 very slow growing plant that's going to be much slower 369 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,200 growing because it's tall and narrow compared to stonehenge dark thruid, 370 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,799 which is more of that classic kind of rounded shape. 371 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,319 So the best thing you can do if you're growing these, 372 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,240 start with larger plants so you're not waiting around forever 373 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:08,079 for them to do anything. Number five upright junipers. Spreading 374 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,440 junipers can actually be fairly reasonably medium growth rate, I 375 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,799 would say, but upright junipers tend to be very slow 376 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,400 again in production as well as in the landscape, and 377 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,319 this is very frustrating for gardeners like me who can't 378 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,480 grow arbivity, which is the ultimate fast growing shrub because 379 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,079 I have deer and of course they love arborvity, and 380 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,680 so you're waiting forever for those upright junipers to turn 381 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,960 into anything. So quickly are fast growing plants, Roses number one, 382 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,680 so easy to grow, easily, putting on eight plus inches 383 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,880 of growth every year. Even smaller varieties like our OsO 384 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,039 easy series are still very vigorous once they're established. So 385 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,359 that's why you can prune roses. That's why it's good 386 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,920 to prune roses because it helps to concentrate that energy 387 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:56,440 into less of the plants, so they don't grow, you know, 388 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,519 multiple inches on top of what's already very tall big 389 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,359 leaf hydranges. You know, it's a plant that frustrates people. 390 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,000 But they have an extremely fast growth rate, which I 391 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,920 think also plays into that frustration because people are expecting them, 392 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,480 thinking they can prove them, and then they're taking off 393 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,079 the flower buds. Butterfly bush ano, they're extremely fast growing plant. 394 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:20,519 Even if it dies back to the ground, you've got 395 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:23,519 stems growing great within a matter of weeks. In the spring. 396 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,359 Dar Villa our Codiacter villa are a very fast, easy 397 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,839 growing kind of established quickly, easy to grow, and then 398 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,000 finally arborvitis that are sold for hedging like spring Grove, 399 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,599 North Pole and of Avliety called full Speed Hedge American 400 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Pillar fastest growing one out there can grow up to 401 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:46,400 two feet a year with proper care. So make sure 402 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,279 you checks out on YouTube to get that whole list 403 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:50,200 so you can check it twice and decide if you 404 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,920 want a fast or slow growing plant. We have to 405 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,279 take a little break and when we come back, we're 406 00:21:54,279 --> 00:22:03,160 opening up the mail bag, so stay tuned at Proven 407 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,400 Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. We know that a better landscape 408 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,559 starts with a better shrub. Our team of experts tests 409 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:12,400 and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs in evergreens for 410 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,799 eight to ten years to ensure they outperform what's already 411 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:20,079 on the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs to accentuate 412 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 your home and express your personal style. Look for Proven 413 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,839 Winner's Shrubs in the distinctive white container at your local 414 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:28,680 garden center or learn more at proven Winner's Color Choice 415 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:33,839 dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the 416 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,200 Gardening Simplified Show, where it's our time to answer your 417 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,799 gardening questions. And I think we have a show first. 418 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,960 Today we have a question from right here inside the 419 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,359 studio that came up while we were on break. Adriana 420 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,359 was asking as I was finishing up about those slow 421 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,359 and fast growing plants. She was asking, if if a 422 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,200 plant is slow growing, is it easier to transplant, because 423 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680 of course the roots and the top are growing in 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,519 conjunction with each other, so naturally the roots are likely 425 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,279 to spread a lot less far on a plant that 426 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,880 is slower growing and is not going to have as 427 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,279 big of a root system. It's a really good, interesting, 428 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,799 you know, idea, and I would say overall, of course, 429 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,079 there's always exceptions that, yes, they are going to have 430 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,880 a less extensive root system, which may make them easier 431 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,079 to transplant. However, I would say that they're going to 432 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,720 generally be more likely to be set back from having 433 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:32,240 been transplanted. Although you know that said, and now that 434 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:35,440 I'm thinking about it, I planted. I transplanted a ton 435 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,960 of box with last spring, and they went off without 436 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,279 a hitch. 437 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of validity to that 438 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:44,319 because the plant that came to mind with Adriana's question 439 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,920 for me was rhododendron, and I put rhododendron in the 440 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,079 slow growing category, and a rhododendron's root system is small 441 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,079 proportionately to the top. So if I do have to 442 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,119 move a rhododendron, I cut it back pretty hard and 443 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,359 it takes time for the road to deny to recover 444 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,720 from that. But it's relatively easy to move because the 445 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:05,759 root system's small. 446 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and shallow rooted. 447 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: And sure. 448 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: Another interesting thing too is most of the slow growing 449 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,279 plants that are on that list do tend to be 450 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,480 shallow rooted, which you'd think they'd be deeper rooted, because 451 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,799 I would. But anyway, plants are fascinating and endless mystery, 452 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,640 so hard to generalize, but something worth considering that. Yes, 453 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,599 typically if something is slow growing, it is going to 454 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,519 need a lot more TLC and time time the theme 455 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,720 of the day to recover from that transplanting for. 456 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,079 Speaker 1: The mail bag, Speaking of Adriana, she gave me a 457 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:38,400 butternut squash from her garden. I can't wait to make 458 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,319 some butternut squash soup in my crock pot this week. 459 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: It's a nice curious she's a real chap. She knows 460 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,880 her stuff all right. What's our first question for the 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,839 mail bag today? 462 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Choi writes to us. Hello, Stacey and Rick, love your show. 463 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,319 Thank you. Early the summer, I encountered bagworms on my 464 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,799 evergreen arbor Vitie. Thank goodness. I caught her early, but 465 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,400 they did some damage on the trees. I researched and 466 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,920 found that BT works if the worms are still in 467 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,759 the early stages. I used Captain Jack's BT from the 468 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,519 pictures the first two arbor vidy you can see still 469 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,839 see the bagworms. All the worms are dead now, I hope. 470 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,559 My question to you is when should I start looking 471 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,880 for the bagworms and start spraying right? 472 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,559 Speaker 2: Bagworms are you know, something that no one heard of 473 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,960 hardly at all, you know, fifteen years ago, and now 474 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,960 if you were growing arborvity, especially if you're growing a 475 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,160 lot of arborvity, chances are you have at least some 476 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,359 bag worms. And bagworms are a bit like what their 477 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,160 name says. They're a little kind of caterpillar that as 478 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,000 they feed, they could make this shell kind of for themselves, 479 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:50,200 real architects out of little bits of twigs and leaves. 480 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,759 Pretty fascinating, and then that protects them and they become 481 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,039 basically invincible on the tree because they have this tree 482 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,960 made shell on them. They're pretty interesting uh pests, But yeah, 483 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,279 they can cause major major damage on arborviding So BT 484 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,880 bacillistheringensis is a non toxic, non toxic except to caterpillars 485 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,920 and grubs and other larvae. Spray that will actually prevent 486 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,920 their development. And so usually if you're trying to control grubs, 487 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,680 you have to inoculate it into your lawn. If you 488 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,200 are controlling something like a bagworm, you can actually spray 489 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,480 the BT onto the affected plant. I don't want to 490 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,119 hit anything that is not a target pest, and that 491 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,720 will actually prevent them from continuing to develop, so it 492 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,279 is effective. You need to be treating from about and 493 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,000 this is assuming the Midwest mid May to mid July. 494 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,519 Once they get to about early to mid July, that 495 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:51,119 shell that they make for themselves is so developed that 496 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,160 your BT spray will not be able to actually contact 497 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 the pest and it will be ineffective. So you really 498 00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,599 need to concentrate it in that time period, that two 499 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,359 months period. But the thing about bagworms is right now 500 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,759 they are about ready to settle down if they haven't already, 501 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,680 and just wait out winter. So you can also go 502 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:16,279 out and pick them all off of your plants. Of course, 503 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,640 for some people who have a really bad infestation, this 504 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,559 may be mission impossible. But for a lot of us, 505 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,599 you know, just going out and picking a few every day, 506 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,920 just put them in the garbage, don't compost them just 507 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,559 you can step on them or just throw them out 508 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,400 in your trash hand picking them. As long as you 509 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400 do so before early June next year, you will do 510 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,759 substantial help towards eradicating your backrooms. 511 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: Hen, thank you for the question. What a great question 512 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,799 for a timing show. Yes, using BT and of course 513 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720 one of the things that makes BT grade has a 514 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,440 very short residual when you use it, so. 515 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. Yeah, So make sure 516 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,599 your particular BT product that you buy should have instructions 517 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,200 on it. You can also reach out to your state's 518 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,160 cooperative extent to find out what their exact timing is 519 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640 because it will vary based on your temperature. The information 520 00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:08,920 I just shared was from a great page on the 521 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,279 Purdue University website. Your mileage may vary depending on where 522 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:14,119 you are located. 523 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: Stacy Jackie has a great question for you. I have 524 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,119 a little quick fire hydrangea planted in a container. Is 525 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359 it best to overwinter it outside with protection next to 526 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,799 my home or in my unheated grudge. I live in 527 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,200 western Pennsylvania, Zone six A. I enjoy watching your show 528 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,240 every week. I've learned so much. 529 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,039 Speaker 2: Awes nice things, Jackie. Yeah. So, there's so many people 530 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,599 who write to us and think that they should bring 531 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,119 their hardy plants indoors if they are in a container, 532 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200 And the answer to that is generally no, you should not. 533 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240 The plant will be stressed and so will you because 534 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,359 you'll be looking at such a stressed out plant that 535 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720 you won't know what to do with yourself. So if 536 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640 a plant is hardy and could normally spend winter outdoors 537 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,279 in your garden if it weren't in a container, then 538 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,759 the answer is that it needs to spend winter getting 539 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,920 fresh air, exposure to the changing light levels, and if 540 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,359 you try to bring it in, even in an unheated garage, 541 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,359 it's probably going to get fairly stressed out. Then you 542 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,359 would also need to worry about watering it. Now you're 543 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:17,599 not ever going to have to water it like you 544 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880 would in the middle of the summer, but you will 545 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,759 need to check on its water. And I just find 546 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,920 that generally speaking, the plants don't over winter as well, 547 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,799 then if they're outside just getting exposed to fresh air. Now, 548 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,359 a couple of things about this situation. You will need 549 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,079 a container that can stay outside all winter long. So 550 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680 if you live in a cold climate, you can't really 551 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,079 use terra cotta containers or most ceramic containers, even if 552 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,119 they say their weather proof. I don't know. I just 553 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,119 don't feel good about it. I'm not going to risk 554 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,880 my investment. They're expensive, yeah, and the more expensive ones 555 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880 are the ones that claim their frost proof because they're 556 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,880 generally higher temperatures, so there's less moisture in them to 557 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,400 freeze and thought and cause the cracking. But overall, you're 558 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,240 gonna want to have anything that you're overwintering outdoors in 559 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:18,000 a metal, plastic, fiberglass, wood type of container. And you 560 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,720 also want to I always tell people position it so 561 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,720 it's not within the drip line of a roof or 562 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,599 anything like that. And very often people will want to, 563 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,799 you know, put it up near the structure or something 564 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,480 to try to protect it. But very often what happens 565 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,440 is that then the plant will be getting pelted with 566 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,200 snow coming off a roof. It will get dripping water. 567 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,000 You know, when we get those thaws out in late 568 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,480 winter early spring, and then of course everything freezes and 569 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,279 then your plant's all encased in ice. So you want 570 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:53,680 to avoid keeping it in those kind of conditions if 571 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200 you can help it overall. You know, I think I 572 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440 was a rooftop gardener in New York City. I you know, 573 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,799 overwintered plant in big metal containers on you know, floors 574 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,799 as high as like the twenty seventh floor, and that's 575 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:11,799 some pretty serious, you know, winter cold conditions. And that 576 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:17,079 includes you know, evergreens like arborvidy junipers. We lost very 577 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,680 very little over winter. 578 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,759 Speaker 1: And I think the key element here, Stacey, is that 579 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,799 I believe you've got to allow plants to shut down 580 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,680 naturally and give them the time to do that. For 581 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,799 us as human beings, we know winter is coming. You 582 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,240 walk into a retail store and there's Halloween stuff mixed 583 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,519 in with all the Christmas stuff, and you're like, I'm 584 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,079 not ready for this, And of course it starts to 585 00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,440 get cold and it gets dark curly, and we all 586 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,359 have to acclimate. Well, it takes a plant a while 587 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,039 to acclimate. You got to give those plants a chance 588 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:47,839 to acclimate. 589 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And you know you can There are some 590 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,920 plants that will do okay if overwintered in a cool, 591 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,640 dry place, as long as you're checking on water. I've 592 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,319 heard from countless home gardeners who have overwintered big leaf 593 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,359 high ranges, you know, because those are plants that can 594 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,079 get winter damage, and those are a plant that generally 595 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,960 can handle that kind of condition. But you ideally want 596 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400 it to be light, so you don't want a windowless 597 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,599 garage if you can help it, and you want some 598 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680 protection from the worst of the weather, but you also 599 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,440 don't want it to be heated, because then the plant 600 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,160 won't go dormant. So really, I think when I give 601 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,359 the advice to try to keep something outdoors if at 602 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,200 all possible, it's because relatively few of us have the 603 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:36,920 correct indoor conditions for trying to overwinter shrubs and containers. 604 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,160 We have great information on growing shrubs and containers on 605 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,359 priven Winners color Choice dot com and we'll add that 606 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400 to the YouTube description. Right now, we got to take 607 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440 a little break and when we come back, we're going 608 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,880 to be finishing up our conversation on timing, so please 609 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:58,960 stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening Simplified podcasts 610 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,759 brought to you by Proving Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. Our 611 00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,839 award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested 612 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,799 by experts with your success in mind. Learn more at 613 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,319 Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 614 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,279 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where this week 615 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,920 we're talking about timing, Stacy, I was doing some reading 616 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,240 from a university in Australia that was studying a gene 617 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,519 response in plants where they feel if you touch a 618 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,880 plant it slows its growth. Kind of interesting, huh really, 619 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,519 So we'll share that on the website. And then of 620 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,759 course as we talk about timing, also, you got to 621 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:42,079 talk about the difference between hot composting and cold composting 622 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:47,119 or passive composting, which can take quite some time to 623 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,880 create a workable mulch or soil that you can use 624 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,440 in your landscape, whereas hot composting maybe takes a little 625 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,960 more work, but you can pretty rapidly produce compost for 626 00:33:58,039 --> 00:33:58,839 your garden. Yeah. 627 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: I was really surprised time that I got hot composting right, 628 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,200 how quickly it developed, you know, And the reason that 629 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,360 I hadn't gotten it right previously was I was just 630 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,079 not keeping it wet enough, andah, I was just kind 631 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,960 of letting nature take its course and it was not 632 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,039 enough moisture. But then once I started watering it, I 633 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:18,920 was like, wow, I got composts already. 634 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,119 Speaker 1: This is right exactly, so Stacy, as far as timing 635 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,440 is concerned, slow grow plants, or as I call them, 636 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,320 plants that tap the brakes in many cases come from 637 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,039 environments or regions where it can be pretty harsh. Again, 638 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,440 you think about the desert and cactus succulents, you think 639 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,480 about alpine plants. One plant that's a favorite of mine, 640 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,000 and I almost consider it kind of like an alpine 641 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:47,960 plant would be creeping Time, and time would be a 642 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,079 great plant to talk about during anyhow. I love creeping Time. 643 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,639 It's hearty and drought tolerant. Love it in my landscape. 644 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,840 And it's one of those plants that grow slowly. You 645 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,440 can put it in cracks, you can put it in halfways. 646 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,159 And so Creeping Time is certainly one of the plants 647 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,119 on the list. Another plant I'd put on the list, 648 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,440 and you can argue it with me, but it would 649 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,000 be peonies. P and ees are long lived, they can 650 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:19,960 handle harsh conditions. They like to stay put. Yes, in spring, 651 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,800 when they grow, they can grow rather rapidly and then 652 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,320 they bloom beautifully. But it's one of those long term 653 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,000 plants in the landscape. 654 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, I would agree. It's you know, I think 655 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,199 when a lot of people think about the concept of 656 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,079 growth rate, they're thinking, you know, how fast does it elongate? 657 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,519 But it's also kind of how fast does it form 658 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,719 an appreciable plant or an appreciable clump in the case 659 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,400 of pae andies, And well, yes, the physical plant of 660 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,280 the peeny grows relatively quickly. If you start with a 661 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,119 very small peeny, you will be waiting for several years 662 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,320 until you have that kind of nice, big clump. And 663 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,039 that's why you know, when you see those big, well 664 00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,840 established clumps at old gardens or old homesteads and that 665 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,159 kind of thing, they've probably been there undisturbed for you know, 666 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,440 thirty fifty years, and by that time they'll form a 667 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,320 really large clump. 668 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,079 Speaker 1: Another plant for the list I have on my list 669 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:15,760 is rhododendron. We mentioned that earlier, but again what's been 670 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,559 real telling to me Stacy is with rhododendron, again this 671 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,679 factor of slow grow or fast grow to a large 672 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,239 extent is contingent on its environment. Because again, we live 673 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,159 here along the lake shore of Lake Michigan in West Michigan, 674 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:39,840 and the rhododendrons grow beautifully. Further inland where the winters 675 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,000 can have less snow but be very cold, the rhododendrons 676 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,960 don't grow as quickly a small root system proportionately to 677 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,320 the top of the plant. So again stacy that slow 678 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360 grow or fast grow things sometimes is contingent on the 679 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,320 environment a plant. 680 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good point and I did to 681 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,360 mention that too when I was talking in plants on trial. 682 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,920 You know, the temperature that a plant experiences throughout the 683 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,599 year can make a huge difference. And that's one of 684 00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,400 the reasons why when you buy a proven Winter's color 685 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,760 choice shrubs, there is very often a wide range of 686 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,960 height and width on our plant tags. And we're not 687 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,119 saying that so that we're noncommittal. We're not saying that 688 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,559 to confuse you, but it's because in colder climates where 689 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,760 you're going to have a shorter growing season, that plan 690 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,360 is going to end up on the smaller side, whereas 691 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,960 if you go into warmer climates where the growing season 692 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,199 can be months longer than it is here, then your 693 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,800 eye's obviously going to get bigger because it has a 694 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,360 lot more time to grow every single year. So there's 695 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400 so many influence, like so many factors like that that 696 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,119 influence a plant's growth rate that you know, again, we're 697 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,000 not trying to be kg and not tell you, but 698 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,480 really I think it goes to show you that there 699 00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,239 is an element of nature. But overall, the gardener determines 700 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,840 how fast a plan is going to grow with their 701 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,360 care inciting I. 702 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,559 Speaker 1: Agree, and from my perspective, it's a combination of plant 703 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:10,360 genetics as well as environment. And let's use an example here, 704 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:16,239 Della sperma native to eastern and southern Africa. It thrives 705 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,679 in heat, is drought tolerant, virtually maintenance free when given 706 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,320 the right growing condition. 707 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have had a very eye opening experience with 708 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,519 dallasperma this year. It's been really really interesting. I've tried 709 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,519 to get dlasperma established four years and I was always 710 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:37,119 starting with really tiny plants and they would live, but 711 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,880 they just wouldn't spread very well. And then I was 712 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,079 pretty rough with them through the season, you know, not 713 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,760 giving them supplemental water, you know, and all of that 714 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,960 kind of stuff. But last year I planted the kaleidoscope 715 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,239 delospermas from Perveoener's perennials, and I expected I had one 716 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,159 gallon plant, so I never planted a one gallon dlosperma before, 717 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:02,360 and I have been amazed and how fast they have grown, 718 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,320 how beautifully they have filled in. And I was also 719 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,599 watering them through last fall and the spring because I 720 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,039 had a lot of other stuff in there that was 721 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,719 new as well, And it has made a huge difference. 722 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,599 And I've found so often that you know, I look 723 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,760 for a situation where I don't have to provide supplemental water, 724 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,159 but if you do not provide that TLC in those 725 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,199 first couple of years to get the plan established to 726 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,960 get that rude growth growing, you know that will make 727 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:33,039 all the difference in the plant's long term health. And now, yeah, 728 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,039 I can cut all of that back and help the 729 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,079 Dallas ferma to curtail that growth so it's not overtaking 730 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,719 my paving stones, which it's so happy and vigorous now 731 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,320 that it actually is. You know that by by keeping 732 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,079 it dryer, that helps to keep it in check. 733 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: That's a perfect example for today's show and for folks 734 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,360 keeping score at home, if you're listening to the podcast 735 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,880 or radio, And I said podcasts not what I came 736 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,800 out of my mind. When we talk about Dello sperma. 737 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239 For people who are unfamiliar with the plant, the common 738 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,840 name many people would refer to it as ice plant. 739 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:10,679 Is that correct? 740 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 2: That's right? 741 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:16,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, saxafrage or a rock foil. That's another 742 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,679 really cool plant, and so you know, and it's one 743 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,760 of those plants that people like to touch too, And 744 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,800 of course people love touching plants, but saxafrage is another. 745 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,880 I don't know if you have any rock foil in 746 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,280 your life. 747 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 2: I do not have any in my garden. But I 748 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,760 was fortunate enough when I was at the New York 749 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,880 Potanical Garden School of Professional Horticulture in the New York 750 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,280 Potanical Garden, working in a world class rock garden, and 751 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,000 have a lot of experience growing those plants, both in 752 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,920 the formal former rock garden. I don't think it's still 753 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,880 there as well as in the propagation house. And yeah, 754 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,199 those are some plants for patient people, Yes, that is 755 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,199 for sure. You've got to be patient and well organized 756 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:02,039 to be a rock garden. True Alpine rock gardener. But man, 757 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,559 those are some cool plants. 758 00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:08,119 Speaker 1: But these people, and to their credit, they are very passionate. 759 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yah. Yeah, and the trade plants they have 760 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,159 amazing networks of you know, helping people to get their 761 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:18,079 plants in just really a fascinating, fascinating thing. You know, 762 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,840 I might join the Rock Garden Society. 763 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: There you go, another plant, and I know, I think 764 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,360 this is a favorite of yours, Stacey, And I'm going 765 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,840 to put it in the timing list because it just 766 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,519 appears for a short time but is long lived. And 767 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:35,360 that is iris reticulate. 768 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:36,039 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 769 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:41,519 Speaker 1: Native to Turkey, northern Iraq, and Iran. That's one of 770 00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,079 those plants too that once you have it in your landscape, 771 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:44,960 you fall in love with. 772 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: It's so cute and you know, I love that it 773 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,480 brings that blue and purple color at a time when 774 00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,079 everything else in your in your lawn seems to be yellow, 775 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,480 you know, daffodils and everything else. And yeah, it's so 776 00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,159 happy for me here in West Michigan that you know, 777 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,119 I get a little bag of it at this time 778 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,280 of year once the bulbs start coming on sale. That 779 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880 was how it started. A single bag that I found 780 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,440 on sale at Meer and now I have multiple clumps 781 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,119 because it's spread so well, it's so happy here in 782 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,559 our sandy soil, and with that lower moisture in the 783 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,599 summer to prevent the bulbs from rotting. Yeah, the time 784 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,760 has given me a very nice population of virus reticulous. 785 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,639 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Some people would put seedums on the list, 786 00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,760 and I'm not talking about the upright seedoms, but lower 787 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,159 growing creeping seedums. Some can be relatively small, at least 788 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:39,679 when put into a rock garden setting. You had mentioned box. 789 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,119 Would I agree with that. I want to run one 790 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:47,079 by you here a minute. Tater tot erbervitie, because again, 791 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:51,639 working in the garden center, people love this plant, and 792 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:56,400 unlike the old globe erborvities, it tends to stay in 793 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,320 check and be relatively slow grown. 794 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that it is slow growing. It's 795 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,320 kind of hard to talk about arborvity as a monolith, 796 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,480 because again there are those very fast growing varieties that 797 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,000 have been developed for rapid hedging, and then there are 798 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,440 these very dwarf ones. And I would say that tater 799 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,920 tot is small, and that that is a good thing. 800 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,079 It's small and it's slow growing. Anna's magic ball, which 801 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,480 is round but golden and a little bit larger. I 802 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,199 would say it's heading more towards a medium growth rate. 803 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,039 And I would say overall, globe arborvitis tend to be 804 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,360 on the slow to medium side. But again, as I 805 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,199 was saying earlier about dwarf conifers, just because it starts 806 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,119 out slow growing doesn't mean it won't eventually not be 807 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,039 so dwarf. You know, Woodward Globe is a great example. 808 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,639 A lot of people buy Woodward globe arborvity. There are 809 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,480 some in my neighborhood that must have been there for 810 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,119 thirty plus years, and those things are five feet by 811 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,199 five feet and not so dwarf anymore. But it took 812 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,239 them thirty plus years to get there. 813 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: Sure. Here's an interesting statistic for you. Americans consume approximately 814 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,360 seventy million pounds of tater tots a year. 815 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,599 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a side of tater tots. 816 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy million pounds. 817 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 2: And we're actually talking about the food here, not the 818 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,320 number of revitis that have been sold, although that would 819 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,639 be amazing if that were true. 820 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: Three billion, seven hundred and ten million individual tots per year. 821 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 2: Wowazing, that'd be a lot of tater dots. 822 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: So a few other slow plants snake plant inside the 823 00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:30,760 house or Sandsavaria agaves cactus. Of course bonesye, we'd have 824 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,199 to mention boneseye lithops, which are living stones, always a 825 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,920 fun plant to have indoors. Also Clivia flowering plant that 826 00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,480 can take a number of years to bloom. Slow growing, 827 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,760 but once it blooms, it's like wow, it was worth 828 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,079 the word. 829 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. 830 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,599 Speaker 1: So Stacy timing is everything. Thanks so much, this was fun. 831 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,800 Thank you, Thank you Adrianna, and thanks most of all 832 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,920 to you. Make sure to tune us in on YouTube 833 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:02,559 or radio or podcast however you want to get your 834 00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:06,000 version of the Gardening Simplified Show. Have a great week.