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True Murder with your host, 32 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.640 journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 33 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.680 Good evening, two hundred FBI agents and Nassau County Police 34 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.280 officers combined forces to form a dragnet hunt for his 35 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.519 kidnappers and rescue him. Teshley handcuffed and chain to the 36 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.000 walls of the closet in the Bronx with a medical 37 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.200 bandage wrapped around his head to cover his eyes. His 38 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.840 captors demanded his wife Janet, drop a bag with seven 39 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:11.719 hundred and fifty thousand the equivalent of four million dollars 40 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.520 in today's currency, in a locker at Penn Station, making 41 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.000 the Jack tesh ransom one of the highest in US 42 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:22.560 history at that time. FBI and Nassau County Police detectives 43 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:26.000 spent over a year before finally uncovering the meticulously planned 44 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:31.840 kidnapping ploy hatched by radical mastermind Richard Warren Williams. The 45 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.719 FBI internally dubbed the Jack Tesh kidnapping Operation jack Nap. 46 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.400 The real life crime drama that followed proved stranger than fiction, 47 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:45.680 involving a tense across the country manhunt, a trailer in California, 48 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.919 stuff with tens of thousands of ransom dollars hidden inside, 49 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.840 a contentious jury trial that dominated New York City headlines 50 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.879 for months, a guilty verdict that was overturned twenty one 51 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:01.159 years later on a controversial technicality, a retrial stymied by 52 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.000 a mysterious fire that incinerated court records, and a civil 53 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.599 verdict ruling that the kidnapper paid Jack Tesh back the 54 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:14.719 ransom money plus interest. Operation Jacknapp tells the incredible true 55 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:18.240 crime story that continues even now. Indeed, as of this writing, 56 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.360 no one knows where the majority of the ransom money 57 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:25.080 is located inside. Tesh also details his offer of a 58 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.159 reward to anyone helping track down the still missing money 59 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.280 and kidnappers. The book that we're featuring this evening is 60 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.639 Operation Jacknap, a True Story of Kidnapping, extortion, ransom and 61 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:42.639 Rescue with my special guest author Jack Teesh. Welcome to 62 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:44.520 the program, and thank you very much for a Green 63 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:50.800 Innis interview. Jack Tesh. Thank you, Dan, good evening. Thank 64 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.599 you very much for joining me and joining our audience. 65 00:03:54.919 --> 00:04:01.639 Let's go right to November twelfth, nineteen seventy four. Tell 66 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:03.960 us a little bit about where you're living at this 67 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.759 time in Long Island. Just tell us a little bit 68 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:12.240 about your background just before we talk about November twelfth, 69 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:13.479 nineteen seventy four. 70 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.040 Okay, Dan, anyway, my wife, by the way, is sitting 71 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:26.360 next to me, my wife Janet. At the time, I 72 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.480 was thirty four years old, My wife was barely thirty. 73 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:36.360 We lived in the King's Point section of the town 74 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:42.199 of Great Neck. We lived a low key life in 75 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:47.439 a very modest house. We had two at the time, 76 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.399 two young children. One was six and the other one 77 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.680 was two years old. Third wasn't even born then, born yet. 78 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.560 In the family business. I worked in a family business 79 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:12.120 manufacturing steel construction materials, and it was we had a 80 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:17.199 nice life, raise a modest life, very modest, raising our 81 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:17.920 two children. 82 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.800 Tell us about November twelfth, nineteen seventy four. You say 83 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.160 you're write at around six forty pm. You were driving 84 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:33.120 your car home from work as usual, but it was 85 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.920 unusual someone was following you, and then you arrived home 86 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.079 in the driveway. What happened right after getting out of 87 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:41.560 that car. 88 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:50.600 Yes, it happened to be a very foggy, rainy rain 89 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.240 evening and I was as I was driving home, and 90 00:05:54.319 --> 00:06:00.480 normally we lived in a dead end street and a 91 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.480 dead end the main road going to the house was 92 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.759 it was a dead end peninsula and our particular street 93 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.800 was a dead end street, so it was very unusual 94 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:17.360 to have any cars other than when I was driving 95 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.160 this particular night, there was a car right behind me, 96 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:26.160 and I even said to myself, boy, this unusual. And 97 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.720 I pulled into my driveway. It was about a forty 98 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.079 five to fifty minute drive home from my office. I 99 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:38.959 pulled into the driveway up to my garage. It was closed, 100 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:44.560 and I normally left the car outside facing the garage, 101 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.519 and I pulled into the I pulled up to the garage, 102 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.399 shut my lights off, and I looked up at the 103 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:55.079 garage and it was pulled it up, and I said, 104 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:56.920 what is that? I just shut my lights off, and 105 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.199 I just checked my lights again they were off. I 106 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.240 looked behind me. There's a car right behind me, and 107 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.279 I looked in the rear view mirror. I get out 108 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:12.759 of the car, and on my left, on the driver's side, 109 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:20.439 there's an individual with a ski masks, ski mask and 110 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:24.279 a silver colored pistol pointing at my head. On the 111 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:31.079 right hand side was another individual, taller with a ski 112 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.800 mask and with a sort of shotgun pointed at me 113 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.480 at that moment, and they said basically, you're coming with 114 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.160 us and or we're gonna blow your head off. For 115 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.600 the moment, I thought, well, what do I do? Do 116 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.879 I run which I could have, which I could have 117 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.319 to the back of my house where there's a woods 118 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:03.439 which I knew very well and felt I could do that. 119 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.120 And then I in a split second, I said, well, 120 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.120 if I do that, will I go in my house, 121 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:15.079 which was twenty five feet away. So I didn't. I 122 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:23.079 didn't run. They led me with the gun to my 123 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:28.800 head to their car, which was a small little Ford Mustang, 124 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.399 and they pushed me in the backseat of the car. 125 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.200 Now they told you to lay down. You didn't get 126 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.519 to see anybody, and quickly they put something on your 127 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.240 eyes so that you weren't able to see, and told 128 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.240 you to get down on the floor and all you 129 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:51.919 could smell was this gasoline can. So what did you 130 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.720 do in terms of realizing that you were in this? 131 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.000 You were kidnapped, you were abducted. But what did you 132 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.399 first do in terms of trying to potentially help yourself later? 133 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.200 What were you? What were you? Uh? But what would 134 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:07.759 you think to do? 135 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:13.240 Well? It w W What they did? Was they what 136 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.519 they said, We're gonna going to rob you and let 137 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:21.080 you go, so just calm down, relax, We're not gonna 138 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:25.559 uh keep you. And they put putty on each of 139 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:30.240 my eyes and then over the putty they put a 140 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:34.480 pair of uh of glasses so I couldn't see anything. 141 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.720 And yes, there was a gasoline. The a gaso pushed 142 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.039 me down on the back and it was a f 143 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.559 a small Ford Mustang. Tight in the back seat. They 144 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.559 pushed me down, put handcuffs on, and they said we're 145 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:55.679 gonna drive you uh to our area, uh rob you 146 00:09:55.720 --> 00:10:01.279 and let you go. And I just uh tried to 147 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.960 think about every little thing the ride. There was a 148 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.919 went over a bridge, there was a toll machine. The 149 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:14.799 sounds that we went over some hills. I just tried 150 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.519 to remember to see if I could possibly remember the 151 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:25.440 route they were taking. And I thought, as much as 152 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.600 we excuse me, I thought I remembered as much as 153 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:31.840 I possibly could under the circumstances. 154 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.919 Now back at the house, meanwhile, your wife, Janet is 155 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.399 just discovering your absence, and you were late, which was 156 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:45.240 somewhat unusual. She wanted to go to movies with her friend, 157 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.759 and so she put the kids to bed and came 158 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.440 downstairs and saw your car. What did she do after 159 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:56.279 realizing that you weren't around? Who did she call? 160 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:02.720 Well, the first call that she called was my office 161 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:08.639 to find out what time I left. She got a 162 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:13.120 hold of She got a hold of somebody to say 163 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.039 what time did Jack leave? Where was his car? And 164 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:21.799 she got that information, and then she called some friends 165 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.360 of ours in a panic that my car was in 166 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:30.679 the driveway and I was nowhere to be found. So 167 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:35.600 a couple of our friends came over and searched around 168 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.440 the house, searched in the garage, searched in them as 169 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.000 much of the wooded area as they could, just to 170 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.960 think if I wanted off, or was bleeding somewhere, or 171 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:51.679 laying down and still nowhere to be found. She then 172 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:57.039 called the local police. We lived in an area that 173 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:02.799 had a small local police department, and she called the 174 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:07.639 local police. They came over and they really were no 175 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:14.720 help at all to her. Unfortunately, they they kind of 176 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.000 brushed it off as well, you know, maybe he's out drinking, 177 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.120 or maybe he went off with the next to a neighbor. 178 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:26.279 They they kind of laughed the whole thing off. So 179 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:32.639 she then called my family, my brother. I had two brothers, 180 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.720 and in a panic, she didn't know what to do. 181 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:47.000 She finally called. It was either late that night or 182 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:52.200 very early the next morning. She finally called. We had 183 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.120 a very close friend of the family who was an 184 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:04.519 assistant district attorney in the in the Nasakhani and called 185 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.600 him and said, look, my husband cars in the driveway. 186 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.000 He didn't come home, he never called, and there's something 187 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:20.080 terribly wrong. And the individual that she called, who ultimately 188 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.159 became a Supreme Court judge, he was an Ada and 189 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.080 sisted district attorney at the time, knew me from when 190 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.159 I was a child, knew me when I since I 191 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.879 was four years old. So he picked up a phone 192 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.759 and called the chief of detectives of Nasakhani and said, look, 193 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.759 I know this. I know Jackson's he's four years old. 194 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.720 I know the family all my life. This is totally 195 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.519 out of character fan not to come home, not to call, 196 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:56.320 and nowhere to be found. There's something terribly wrong. And 197 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:04.000 that started the ball rolling, the the the UH. All 198 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:09.559 the higher ups, the chief of detectives, the deputy inspector, 199 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.200 and a staff of people came over to the house. 200 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:20.679 They set up tape recorders on the phones, on all 201 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:25.039 on all our phones, the in the old days that 202 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:29.159 they were the what do you call it, big tapes, 203 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:35.399 tape tape recorders. UH. They called the FBI in and 204 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.679 that was the point where the the the investigation really started. 205 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:45.519 Thank goodness, my wife called then because the first ransom 206 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.120 call there were three. The first ransom call came in 207 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:56.320 that evening from the kidnappers, and luckily the it was 208 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.440 all recorded and they attempted to trace it, but they 209 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:07.799 didn't stay on long enough to trace the call. From 210 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.240 that point on until I was released seven days later. 211 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:17.600 The fb there was three two FBI agents, a male 212 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.679 and a female, and a Nasser County detective sergeant that 213 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.840 moved into the house and slept there. They were there 214 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:33.120 twenty four to seven with my wife. 215 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:29.840 And. 216 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.279 And that's when the the Horrabian. 217 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:44.000 You you segue back and forth between the two incredible 218 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.639 scenes between where you are held captive and your wife 219 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.720 and your family are held captive. To a great degree. 220 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.440 Your son, your seven year old, almost seven year old, 221 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.120 was never comfortable with this, and and no one could 222 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.440 give him the answers that he needed to understand where 223 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.000 his father was and where all these people were in 224 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.559 their home. But meanwhile, your nightmare was just beginning. So 225 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.360 you are taken from that car again. You were brought 226 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.919 into a building. What happens you talk about the search 227 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.080 and the conversation you have with the keeper. Tell us 228 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:21.480 about that. 229 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:28.159 Yeah, we drove for about forty five fifty minutes, give 230 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.320 a take, as they mentioned before, over a bridge, up 231 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:38.279 a hill. Finally they stopped and they said, wait, we're 232 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.519 going to take you out of They take you out 233 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.120 of the car and we're going to walk you into 234 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.840 a building. And they took me out of the car. 235 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.960 I was blindfolded, one on each side holding my arms, 236 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.840 and they told me that three steps you walk up, 237 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.080 then you walk another three steps up and we're going 238 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.120 to guide you into a room. And they guided me 239 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.440 into a room. I was standing straight up and they 240 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.920 the first thing they did was methodically search and take 241 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.240 everything out of every pocket. I was wearing a suit 242 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:21.640 and a raincoat. They went through every every pocket in 243 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:25.599 the raincoat, every pocket in the suit, took everything out, 244 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:31.039 went through my wallet, went through all my identification, and 245 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.440 that started questioning me and they said, you know, we 246 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.759 think we're we're not going to let you go so fast. 247 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.400 We think we're going to keep you for a while. 248 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:49.319 They then guided me over to a closet and pushed 249 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.640 me into the closet onto the floor. It was probably 250 00:17:54.720 --> 00:18:00.480 two feet by five feet, and all of a sudden, 251 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.799 I heard the sounds of chains, and I said, what 252 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:09.480 the heck could that be? They had chains which they 253 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:16.319 looped through eyelets that they apparently had screwed into the 254 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:21.200 wall on each side. On one side was where my 255 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.880 head and shoulders were. I couldn't lay down flat. I 256 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.480 had to sort of half lay down, and they took 257 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:37.240 that chain, put it around my neck with a lock, 258 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:44.400 and then the other chain they looped around my feet 259 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.559 with a lock to an eyelid on the other end. 260 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:52.160 Of the closet with a little bit of slack on 261 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:57.559 each side, so I could barely sort of sit up 262 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:03.799 and kneel if I had to. And the then they 263 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:09.799 put a gag on my mouth, which I couldn't understand. Uh. 264 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:15.920 They they eventually took that off, you know, w you know, 265 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.079 later that evening or the next morning, I don't remember, 266 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.920 but they Uh, I did have a gag and that 267 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.000 when they started questioning me, they had to take the 268 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:32.960 gag off. And then the questioning started. The s the sessions. Uh. 269 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:40.640 They spent hours questioning every possible thing they could possibly 270 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.640 ask me about my my life, my parents, my father, 271 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.839 my mother wasn't alive, then my wife, my wife's family, 272 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:56.000 my brother, my brother's two brothers. UH, bank accounts, uh, 273 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.359 the the uh, the ant, the artwork uh uh any 274 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:06.079 possible thing of value. They wanted to know everything about that, 275 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.039 everything about the company, people that worked for the company. 276 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:19.960 And apparently they knew more than they let on. As 277 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:26.160 the interrogations went on during the week, it was obvious 278 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:31.039 they they knew more and they were making sure I 279 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:35.480 was telling them the truth. They they had answers to 280 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.359 the many of the questions before they asked the question, 281 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:44.880 and that came out very obvious. So in the closet 282 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:53.000 was a bucket to relieve myself, and that's where I 283 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:58.519 was for of the total of seven days, about half 284 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:04.680 the time I was chained in the closet with handcuffs. 285 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:12.839 They never did take those handcuffs off. And after about 286 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.200 half the time they took me out of the closet 287 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:24.240 and put me in the same room a bed, and 288 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:30.960 they took the same chains and chained the chained the 289 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:36.400 bed around the frame. So I was still chained, but 290 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:37.720 I was in a bed. 291 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.039 Now, what kind of conversations? What kind of conversations was 292 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.160 the captor having with you other than these questions and 293 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.640 narrowing it down, he wanted to know about the bank account, 294 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.119 specifically about the company Acme Steel partition that you were 295 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.279 vice president of and your father had founded the company. Yes, 296 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.960 he wanted to know those particulars, and he was asking 297 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:11.640 you questions like if Janet was excitable and basically trying 298 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.839 to find out and determine which person would be better 299 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.720 to deal with in what you realized soon enough is 300 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.079 a ransom and a kidnapping. So how do they prepare 301 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.160 you and what are some of the questions that they 302 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.960 try to get from you, and then how do they 303 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.000 prepare you for this ransom and to communicate with your 304 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:37.200 wife in the chance of getting this ransom. 305 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:43.160 That's exactly You're exactly right. They knew more than of 306 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:48.559 course that they let on they had. 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Then they prepared me exactly what to say, 372 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:54.079 very specifically, what to say? Who who? Who? Who's gonna who? 373 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.240 Who should get the money together. They never told me 374 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.960 the amount, who should get the money together, who should 375 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:07.519 make the payoff? What should they be wearing? They shouldn't 376 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.920 tell anybody, especially the police. And by the way, very 377 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:18.519 very important. The newspapers knew about it, knew about the 378 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.640 abduction shortly after it happened, and the and the FBI 379 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.359 and the police went to see them and said, please 380 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:32.319 don't publicize this until we get the victim back. And 381 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.400 in those days they listened and they did it. And 382 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.359 I could tell you that that saved my life because 383 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:43.480 they had that radio blasting in the other room listening 384 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.599 and they I'm sure they just couldn't figure out why 385 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:55.039 it wasn't on the radio. They the newspapers honored, honored 386 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:55.640 the request. 387 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.200 They asked you questions like how much money you had 388 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.359 forwarded to the Jewish Defense League as well, just to 389 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.599 demonstrate where their mindset was. 390 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:16.279 Yes, yeah, I didn't even know what they were talking about, 391 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.119 to be honest with you, but they they this rhetoric, 392 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:28.960 the anti Semitic rhetoric pro pro radicalized, was pretty much 393 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.200 constant during the whole week, and the raving and the ranting, 394 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:39.880 and and it didn't stop. They just and I just 395 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.759 I mean, I listened, what kind of work could I do? 396 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.960 Nothing I could do, and I just prayed a lot. 397 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:55.240 The they and by the way, only one. There were 398 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.519 at least four involved, it could be more, but a 399 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:06.359 minimum before two in my driveway, and there were others 400 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:11.559 in the other room I heard walking and talking, but 401 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:16.240