WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:09.279 Bill cunning in the Great American Welcome this Tuesday after 2 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.000 and in the tries day day after Memorial Day, and 3 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.560 Red's Baseball takes off about six forty to night in 4 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.239 Kansas City. They won a game, not against the Chiefs, 5 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.280 but the Royals. Score I think was seven to four. 6 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:23.519 I guess Kansas City scored a couple of safeties. So 7 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:25.760 we'll back out of tonight's see what happens. They're one 8 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:27.800 game below five hundred, so they're on their march to 9 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.480 glory and for some the judgment seat of God. But 10 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:32.600 Jonan you and on now is the great Rob Sanders 11 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.320 of Northern Kentucky. And Rob, welcome again to the Bill 12 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.679 Cunningham Show the day after Memorial Day. We have many 13 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.719 things to discuss, including my experiences at the Taysts of 14 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.399 Cincinnati yesterday, which I think was extremely positive. But once 15 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.920 again a police officer, police officer was almost killed by 16 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.880 someone stealing cars. But you told me off the air 17 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.200 that the great Phil Tolliver died yesterday, and he was 18 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:55.960 a living legend. We had some cases together. He helped 19 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.200 me with Willis in Northern Kentucky. There in Covington, he 20 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.679 got me to do things I didn't think I could do. 21 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.120 I became a Kentucky colonel with Phil Tolliver and you 22 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.200 set off. The other force has been disrupted in Northern Kentucky. 23 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.239 Please explain, well. 24 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.560 Willy, if anybody that's ever watched Star Wars, you know 25 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:14.920 when they talk about that disruption in the force, that 26 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.560 you feel means that somebody. 27 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:18.040 Has passed away. 28 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.400 With that disruption in the force in the Northern Kentucky 29 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.640 bar is the passing of Phil Tolliver, who was one 30 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.840 of the greatest attorneys Northern Kentucky, maybe all of Kentucky 31 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.000 has ever known, but certainly one of the most well 32 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:32.680 known and well liked attorneys in Northern Kentucky. 33 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:34.599 He was a character. He was one of a kind. 34 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.840 They do not make anybody like they make Phil Tolliver. 35 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.319 Some people might say that's a good thing, but nevertheless, 36 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.680 he was most certainly one of a kind and beloved 37 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.480 amongst attorneys all over northern Kentucky. 38 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.879 And you know, there was an old radio dj. 39 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.560 He's not employed as a radio DJ anymore, but he 40 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:54.359 also used to have a law license, and he used 41 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.319 to be real fond of suing people. And Bill used 42 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.079 to brag that he was the only person that had 43 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.319 been sued by that former attorney more times than I had, 44 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.959 And so he held that over my head for a 45 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.239 long time, and we always joked about it and shared 46 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.240 good times amongst the stress of having frivolous lawsuits filed 47 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.719 against us. But nevertheless, we're in the process of mourning 48 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.960 the great Phil Taliver and saying goodbye to him. And 49 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.199 of course our thoughts and prayers are with his family, 50 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.000 all of his friends, which there are tons of, all 51 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.960 of his former workers, all of his former employees. Everybody 52 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.479 is mourning the passing of the Great Phil Tolliver. 53 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.759 I can recall in the city of Newport I had 54 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.919 said some intemperate things about the great people living in Newport. 55 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.199 I forget what they were, but I know one time 56 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.639 Tony Bender wanted to see some expression of the First Amendment. 57 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.479 So we went to a facility in Newport that featured 58 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.599 a dancer with impressionistic dancing that included setting herself on 59 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.240 fire and to the tune if I bring you fired, 60 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.719 Da Dada, and she would put some sort of fluid 61 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.280 on her body, light herself and run around the stage. 62 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.599 I said, Tony, this is not too entertaining. Whatever ridiculous, 63 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.520 stupid things. So I said some intemperate things about Newport, 64 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.599 and I found myself in the crosshairs of one of 65 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.759 the one of the one of the pelosis over there. 66 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.120 And Phil said, the only way for you to get 67 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:14.479 out of this, they're going to arrest you if you 68 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:16.639 come back to I said, arrest me for what he 69 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.680 hit me. Go to the city council in Newport and 70 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:25.360 apologized to the city council for saying intemperate things about 71 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.439 the toothless, illiterate hillbillies that lived in Newport and the 72 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.240 strippers only make money if they set themselves on fire, 73 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.560 and so he said, you'd better be serious about this. 74 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.719 When I got there, I said, these guys are serious. 75 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.039 And they had some Newport cops standing around as if 76 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:38.919 they were going to arrest me. 77 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:40.639 I said, you got to be kidding me. 78 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.840 So Phil Tolliver and I and his claim to fame 79 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.919 in my regard is his father buried my grandfather, who 80 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.520 was the mayor of Ellesmere slash Erlanger in the nineteen thirties. 81 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.240 My grandfather died, and Phil Tolliver's family was in the 82 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.800 funeral business. He buried, he buried people and he buried 83 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.439 my grandfather, and so Phil Tolliverer. I'm sorry to hear 84 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.199 that he died yesterday and I wish his family. Well, 85 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.560 let's get on to a matter I saw somewhere that 86 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.319 you know, the hinting case continues to reverberate, and that 87 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.120 is the three individuals who survived after the stealing of 88 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:19.560 akia in Edgewood. And of course this relates to the father, 89 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.160 Rodney Hinton, thirty eight years old, is going to be 90 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.680 tried for the murder of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson. And 91 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.800 I read with interest that there were charges at least 92 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:32.360 filed by you against the Anthony Bullocks, the nineteen year 93 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.639 old who stole allegedly, I won't say allegedly, he stole 94 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.199 a kia in northern Kentucky. Now, what's happening with that case, 95 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:41.959 because that's an ancillary case. And I would assume that 96 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:46.319 the other two Durrell, Austin and or Sincere Grigsby misspelled 97 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.920 the word sincere. At least the first name is spelled 98 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.199 cyn ser. Maybe the mother tried to spell Sincere and 99 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.160 couldn't get it done. 100 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.839 But what's this. I'll be in trouble for that one too. 101 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.160 What's the latest with the Anthony Bullocks. 102 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.759 Well, Willie, we have been working with Edgewood police on 103 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.240 the stolen vehicle. It was a Kia Tell You Ride 104 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.240 at twenty twenty one great key to Tell You Ride 105 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.120 that was stolen out of a driveway of a home 106 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.600 in Edgewood, Kentucky to Fine City at Edgewood really has 107 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.399 been just collabbered with stolen vehicles of late. You know 108 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.120 that that is one of the downsides to being one 109 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.399 of the most livable cities in all of America is 110 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.040 when you have really nice homes and really low crime rates. People, 111 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.680 you know, not just people thieves, know that that's right 112 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.279 for the pickens when it comes to places to steal 113 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.199 good cars because people are you know. 114 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.879 They drive drive nice vehicles. 115 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.240 They're used to leaving their doors unlocked and their windows 116 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.759 down and things like that. And Edgewood a few other cities, 117 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.000 Fort Mitchell and Lakeside Park they've just been inundated in 118 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.519 the last year or so with people stealing cars. But 119 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.879 especially these key is because the keys are prone to 120 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.800 you can steal them using a LASH drive or a 121 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.480 USB port from a phone charger. Apparently there's videos out 122 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.120 there on TikTok or Internet or something like that on 123 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:04.800 how to do this. 124 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:04.959 Well. 125 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.959 Apparently the Anthony Bullocks was one of these folks that 126 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.439 must have watched those videos because he was captured on 127 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.480 security camera taking this car from this driveway and he 128 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.800 was interviewed by Cincinnati Police in connection I believe to 129 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.920 that hinting case and admitted to stealing this vehicle out 130 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.519 of the driveway and edgewoods to the Edgewood Police Detective 131 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.000 Mike Winkler has obtained a warrant for his arrest. 132 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.079 We anticipate we'll. 133 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.639 Be presenting that case to the kent County Grand Jury 134 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.680 in short order. He's looking at a class sea felony 135 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.560 because that Kia wasn't cheap. 136 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.199 It was valued over ten thousand. 137 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.399 Dollars, which makes it a class sea felony in Kentucky. 138 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.040 And you know, as I remind your listeners all the time, Willie's, 139 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.560 we still prosecute criminals on the south side of the river. 140 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.879 Saw those car thiefs from the north side of the river. 141 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.399 Got to keep that in mind before they decide to 142 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.600 come over here and thieve their latest vehicle. They can 143 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.279 do all the even they want on the north side 144 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.000 and see how that turns out, and on the south 145 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.079 side of the river, that'll lands you in prison. 146 00:06:58.360 --> 00:06:59.839 Do you have some sense as well? 147 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.759 The nine millimeter gun that was in the hands of 148 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.360 Ryan Hinton when he was shot by a Cincinnati police officer. 149 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.680 Was that gun in the Kia? Was that the gun 150 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.519 owned by the owner of the Kia in Edgewood? 151 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.800 Well, not this key, Willie. 152 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.160 They're you know, the gun thefts and car thefts kind 153 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.720 of go hand in hand because that's you know, the 154 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.319 these thieves come along from car to car and they're 155 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:28.000 just pulling on the door handles to see what opens. 156 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:32.199 And when people either intentionally or accidentally leave their keyfobs 157 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.800 in the vehicle, of course the doors pop right open. 158 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.240 If you're like me and you happen to have a 159 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:42.959 gun in about every vehicle that you own, that's a bad. 160 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:42.759 Mistake to make. 161 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.920 That if you're going to keep a gun in a car, 162 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.399 you most definitely need to keep that car locked. I 163 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.680 would recommend even keeping it locked while it's in your 164 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.600 own garage, because it's somebody that's had my garage broken 165 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:55.759 into and had a gun stolen out of my pickup 166 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.079 truck in my in my own garage. You know, just 167 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.959 locking your garage isn't always enough if those thieves break in. 168 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.279 And that's where almost all of the stolen guns that 169 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.399 are in the hands of drug dealers and thieves and 170 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:11.399 other hoodlums and felons running around on the streets that 171 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.800 are using these guns and crimes, almost all of them 172 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.399 had been stolen out of somebody's car somewhere. That said, 173 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:21.480 we don't have any indication that this vehicle that was 174 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.600 stolen contained a gun. The stolen gun was not part 175 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.160 of the charges. However, all over northern Kentucky we probably 176 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.360 take a stolen gun report, if not every day, every 177 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.000 week where somebody has come along, tried car doors and 178 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.720 found the car unlocked in a gun inside. 179 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.360 What about when I talked to coppers, they give conflicting advice. 180 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.240 Should you lock your car or not, assuming nothing of 181 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.960 value is in your car, assuming you don't have a gun. 182 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:52.960 There a wall at cash because these guys having car 183 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:54.639 break ins is a pain in the neck. When I 184 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.799 was at to Taste, I was there yesterday, I walked 185 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.039 from courts straight down to find there was several instances 186 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.120 I saw a glass enter around the curb with a 187 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.159 brick nearby. Cops tell me it is ubiquitous. It is 188 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.039 happening all the time. And if you don't have anything 189 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.840 of value in the car, why not leave it unlocked 190 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.799 so the thief can get in the car, find out 191 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:19.279 there's nothing there, and get out without the hassles of 192 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:20.440 dealing with the car breaking. 193 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.200 Well, it's kind of you know, fifty one half turned, 194 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.480 I should say six to one half dozen the other there, 195 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:31.159 Willy says, a fifty to fifty decision. In my experience, 196 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.879 a lot of the car thieves in the cases that 197 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.759 I see coming across my desk, and a lot of 198 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.919 the car thieves has come along trying the door handle, 199 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:39.840 and if the door doesn't open, they don't get in 200 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.600 the car. Now, that's not to say that nobody breaks 201 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.519 through the car windows. Certainly, smashing grabs happen, but that's 202 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:49.840 usually when the thieves can see something of value inside 203 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.200 the car, so they know if they break that window, 204 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.000 they can grab whatever it is of value and they 205 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:55.919 can take off, run the and be gone long before 206 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.080 the cops ever get there. But we rarely see a 207 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:03.240 case of people smashing the car just to search through 208 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.039 it in hopes of finding something of value, because in 209 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:08.000 order to do that they have to stick around. There's 210 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.559 a better chance the police get there before they find 211 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:14.840 anything of value. So my recommendation is lock everything. I'm 212 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.159 for one, find it rather disconcerting that anybody has been 213 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.639 through my car at any time without my permission. So 214 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.159 I would recommend folks lock their car. But especially if 215 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:28.799 you're even sometimes potentially keeping a gun in your car, 216 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.879 it's better to be in the habit of locking the 217 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.200 car because the last thing you want to do is 218 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.759 put one of your guns on the street in the 219 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:37.600 hands of a criminal. 220 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:38.679 Yeah, all right. 221 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.679 One other issue, At least in hamlin A County, it 222 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.320 is hard to go to prison. And so if assuming 223 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.039 the murder was not involved in these three individuals, they're 224 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.600 not charged with that, the odds of one of these 225 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.120 three spending a day in jail for a car break 226 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.679 in is almost non existent. The system just grinds you. 227 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:58.799 I've had friends of mine having to go to juvenile 228 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.720 court six seven, eight, nine times, and they don't take 229 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.519 it seriously. Are you saying that in Kenton County you 230 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.759 take it seriously. 231 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:07.080 Absolutely, Willie. 232 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.720 We put car thieves in prison garden here every day 233 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:11.559 of the week. Every day that we have courts, somebody's 234 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:14.000 going to prison for either stealing a car, stealing something 235 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.679 from a car, you name it. We convict them, we 236 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.639 put them in prison. Now, the juvenile system in Kentucky 237 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.039 is probably almost as broken as it is in Ohio. 238 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.679 I'm not claiming juveniles are going to prison for this stuff. 239 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.399 Generally speaking, it's a rotating door in the juvenile court system, 240 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.679 and we just have to sit back and wait until 241 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.960 they turn eighteen. And then as soon as they turn eighteen, 242 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.840 we end up convicting them as adults because nobody taught 243 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.080 them a lesson as a juvenile. And then, yes, they 244 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.120 end up going to prison for those stolen cars. 245 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.000 I'm on Fountain Square yesterday about to one o'clock. I 246 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:45.399 run into Brian Hamrick of The Power of Five. Talked 247 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.279 to a couple of CBD cops. They had an incident 248 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.000 a few hours earlier when the Taste was shutting down 249 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.720 on Sunday night, had car break ins up and down 250 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.000 Vine Straight, multiple break ins, and there was a ring 251 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.799 camera that had a video of someone dressed a certain 252 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:04.480 one and they identified that person as leaving the Taste, 253 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:06.200 and they had the same clothing on, and so they 254 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.080 radioed ahead the Fountain Square saying, hey, someone may be 255 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.840 coming there, to describe what the person looked like. And 256 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.240 the officer saw the person. This is like one am 257 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.399 in the morning on that would have been Monday morning, 258 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.840 after Sunday night, and he's hey, stop, I want to 259 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.159 talk to you for a minute. He immediately ran like 260 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:25.519 a jack rabbit. And not too many cops I know 261 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.960 can outrun an eighteen or nineteen year old, but somehow 262 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.879 this one cop was able to keep up with him, 263 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.519 and he pulled out his taser. And he pulled out 264 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.960 his taser because that's what he's instructed to do. He 265 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.159 did not know that this car thief had a gun. 266 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.720 The kid stops, pulls the gun out from his waistband 267 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.200 and walks toward the officer with the gun pointed at him, 268 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:51.759 and the officer had the taser out. He discharged the 269 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:57.240 taser and thanked God the taser took effect. How from 270 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.399 your experiences, the distance was about twelve to fifteen feet. 271 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:04.440 If you're fifteen feet away from someone, and thank God 272 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:09.200 that this punk had on summer clothing, what are the 273 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.240 odds of that taser taking effect from a fifteen foot 274 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.879 distance before you're murdered. 275 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:16.879 They're not great, Willy. 276 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.519 It's not certainly nothing that I would trust because tasers. Again, 277 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.840 and I'm going off the experience of having launched hundreds, 278 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:27.440 if not thousands, of police body camera videos, I can't 279 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.120 count the number of times that I have seen a 280 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:35.320 taser either not be effective or be minimally effective in 281 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.159 neutralizing a threat. And when somebody is not just a 282 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.759 threat to your safety but a threat to your life, 283 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.120 I certainly don't want to gamble my life on a taser. 284 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.159 And I'm certain that that cop is probably breathing a 285 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.240 sigh of relief. I haven't seen the reports on this, Willie. 286 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:51.159 I did hear about it. 287 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:53.919 And I thought, well, chances are he had to show 288 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.799 restraint because there was probably not a safe place for 289 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.919 him to fire a gun because of whatever was in 290 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.759 his backdrop, in other words, other people behind him. But 291 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.039 if it was a situation where he drew his taser 292 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.320 first and then had a gun drawn on him, well 293 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.240 that's just a really unlucky situation. 294 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.039 That cop is lucky to be alive. 295 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.000 Probably ought to go out and get some lottery tickets 296 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.639 while he's on a roll. But it's certainly not a 297 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.480 situation that I want to be in. It sounds like 298 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.399 it worked out for everybody. The criminal going to jail 299 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:30.480 still alive, should have been dead. Nevertheless, this kind of 300 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:34.039 craziness that we ask our law enforcement to confront every 301 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.240 day of the week, twenty four hours a day. They're 302 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.759 putting their lives on the line, putting themselves in dangerous 303 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.759 situations to people like you and me don't have to. 304 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.639 And you just got to thank God when things work 305 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.360 out for the better, because it could have been really 306 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.200 bad for either party. It could have been another dead criminal, 307 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.120 or it could have been another dead cop. And I 308 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.039 know that they just had another officer line of duty 309 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.480 death up in Ohio, up near Columbus over the weekend. 310 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:05.279 That's just a horrible situation. Thank god it wasn't one 311 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.799 of our local officers. But you know, prayers to that 312 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.600 officer's family up in Ohio. That's you know, here on 313 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.879 a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, but they're mourning 314 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.799 the death of their beloved law enforcement officer. And it's 315 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.120 certainly something that we hate to see, and it could 316 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.559 have very easily had been something that we saw again 317 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.039 on right in the middle of the tounst Town Cincinnati, 318 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.120 on Fountain Square of all places. 319 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.720 And that eighteen year old who was born in Jamaica 320 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.000 would not have pulled out the weapon unless he intended 321 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.440 to use it walking toward the cop. And thank god, 322 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.879 split second I wouldn't note. This morning, at seven thirty 323 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.840 am in Middletown, Ohio, a person was shot and killed 324 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.679 by Middletown police after they pointed after he pointed a 325 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.000 gun at the officers conducting a search warrant. And it 326 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.519 just it seems like there is more brazen activity pointing 327 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:53.679 guns at cops, running away from cops with guns and 328 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.960 having guns in your possession is a terrible incident. And 329 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.440 I and the man that was shot in killed was 330 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.879 considered a suspect and had multiple prior convictions of violence 331 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:04.919 and drug arrest. 332 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.720 But it's said, well we got to run. 333 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.159 Rob once again, stay safe and once again we know 334 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:13.759 the passing of legendary attorney Phil Tolliver and his absence 335 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.440 will be felt throughout northern Kentucky, in fact all of Ohio. 336 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.679 And once again, Rob, thanks for coming on the Bill 337 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:19.480 Cunningham Show. 338 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.159 Thank you, my pleasure. 339 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.960 Willie is great talking to you and God Bliss America. 340 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:24.759 Let's keep it going. 341 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.399 Let's continue with more news coming up next to the 342 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:30.440 home of your Reds playing tonight starting about six forty A. 343 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.679 News radio seven hundred WW. 344 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:39.440 Thank you, Tom Renneman. Rech Baseball kicks off about six 345 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.559 forty tonight. First bitch about seven forty one, game below 346 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.120 five hundred. They're in Kansas City, then over the weekend 347 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.159 in Chicago, then back home. But until then, I think 348 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.120 my conversation with Rob Sanders is something we all should 349 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.279 take to heart. When you think you live in a 350 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.480 great community like Edgewood, Kentucky, safe and sane, not much 351 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.360 going on, and all of a sudden the criminals that 352 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.480 come out of Cincinnati say, you know what, those are 353 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.480 happy hunting grounds for those who want to steal cars 354 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.519 using some sort of keyfob situation to break into a 355 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.799 KI or a Hyundai and away you go, hoping at 356 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.480 a minimum that there's a gun in the car, some 357 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.759 cash or credit cards or whatever. But it's a largely 358 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.480 a free event. Not much happens unless you're in Kentucky, 359 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.720 because in Ohio, literally not much happens. The juveniles doing 360 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.599 most of these steps are not dealt with harshly whatsoever 361 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.119 in Hamlety County Juvenile Court because Judge Kerry Bloom, who's 362 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:37.200 in charge of Hamny count and Juvenile Court, doesn't want 363 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.480 to put anybody in jail. I don't know yet, but 364 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.079 those three individuals who are alive from the incident involving 365 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.920 Ryan Hinton, Jirell Austin and de Anthony Bullocks and Sincere 366 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.200 Grigsby a likely all have previous criminal records and that 367 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:55.519 they were known to the system ahead of time, and 368 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.279 the system didn't deal with it. When they had a 369 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.839 chance to deal with it, they ignored it, and so 370 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.279 metastasizes becomes a regular event. Many of these so called 371 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.799 car break ins maybe thirty to forty to fifty over 372 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.279 a month period, and over two or three month period. 373 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.400 These individuals think it's no big deal. When yours truly 374 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.960 found himself on Court Street to yesterday walking down to 375 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.680 the taste of Cincinnati, which by the way, was fabulous, 376 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.680 It was wonderful. There were some protesters making a fool 377 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.920 of themselves, but that happens all the time. Many times 378 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:27.359 protesters are simply miserable people that won't want to make 379 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.599 you feel as miserable as they feel, so they yell, 380 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.519 shout and scream and do stupid things because they're stupid 381 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.759 people that they have nothing in their life to do productive, 382 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.480 so they want to bring you down to their level. 383 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:43.319 Hopefully it doesn't happen. I saw numerous examples of car 384 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.440 windows in and around the street, along with bricks nearby, 385 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.599 and it's so frequent anymore that many do not bother 386 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.240 to call the police because what can the police do. 387 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.240 Come take a report, yes, maybe make an insurance claim, 388 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.359 but each one of those are about one thousand dollars, 389 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.000 and it's a no harm, no foul kind of an 390 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:05.480 offence until something happens. I found myself about one pm 391 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:08.480 yesterday in front of the federal building, the Potter Stewart 392 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.559 Federal Building, right next to the bus station there and 393 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.960 right next to Fountain Square, and I ran into the 394 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.240 Great Brian Hamrick of the Power five and we had 395 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.880 a brief conversation, and then I talked to a couple 396 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.839 of in uniformed police officers about what happened. Several hours earlier, 397 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.319 about midnight, there were reports of these car thieves, these 398 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:32.480 individuals breaking into cars, and a ring camera had recorded 399 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.759 one of them wearing distinctive GARB. And so the call 400 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.279 went out from the Taste as it was over that 401 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.839