Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. It is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: July fourteenth, one twenty two in the morning. The WSOP
Speaker 1: Main Event final table is set. Nine players are made,
Speaker 1: nine millionaires remain with ten million dollars up top. That's
Speaker 1: what we're going to be talking about today. You absolutely
Speaker 1: love to see it. Just an awesome day of poker
Speaker 1: down at Paris on the Las Vegas Strip. The original
Speaker 1: field nine two and eight entries has been cut all
Speaker 1: the way down to just nine players. I absolutely cannot
Speaker 1: wait to tell you about the day that that was
Speaker 1: At the World Series of Poker, twenty one players entered
Speaker 1: what was day eight, Only nine were left standing when
Speaker 1: it was all said and done, So that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the bulk of this episode. We got several different interview
Speaker 1: segments that we're going to be playing along the way.
Speaker 1: Some happen throughout the day that will work in to
Speaker 1: the story as we run through it. Some took place
Speaker 1: at the end of the day after the players reached
Speaker 1: the final table and bagged up their chips. But all
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Speaker 1: game of poker Go. Day eight of the World Series
Speaker 1: of Poker Main Event. I said twenty one players entered,
Speaker 1: and they did, but only nine of them remained at
Speaker 1: the end of it all. The youngster Lucas Jumalan, he
Speaker 1: had himself a day. He has a massive shout out,
Speaker 1: massive chip lead entering what I guess some people are
Speaker 1: calling the August Nine. I kind of hate that name.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it that. Let's just call
Speaker 1: it the Final Table. The Final Nine now have a
Speaker 1: few weeks off before they return to play on August.
Speaker 1: Third down at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas. The main
Speaker 1: event took place, or at least the bulk of it
Speaker 1: took place on these latter days. At Paris. They are
Speaker 1: currently breaking down the set, the production team, the team
Speaker 1: at B fifty two.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: As I was leaving Paris earlier in the evening, they
Speaker 1: were breaking everything down and getting everything ready to move
Speaker 1: it over to the Horseshoe side. They're gonna set it
Speaker 1: all back up. Players are going to come back on
Speaker 1: August third. August third, fourth, and fifth is when the
Speaker 1: final table is going to play out. Entering the day,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Trainor, the young upcoming Ozzie who has been absolutely
Speaker 1: lighting the poker world on fire for the past two years,
Speaker 1: he came in with the chip lead and let's just
Speaker 1: start things right there. Because Remco caught up with Malcolm
Speaker 1: Trainor early on to talk about having the chip lead
Speaker 1: in this spot, his approach, how he's gonna go about it.
Speaker 1: So let's hear from Malcolm Trainer right now.
Speaker 3: And Malcolm, what's it like to have all eyes of
Speaker 3: the poker world on you right now?
Speaker 4: It's amazing. Yeah, I'm very blessed.
Speaker 5: A lot of Australia is like, my message is absolutely flooded,
Speaker 5: hundreds of messages. I can't believe it when I want
Speaker 5: to brace it. In twenty twenty four, I had a
Speaker 5: lot of messages, but this is just the next level,
Speaker 5: so it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Is the experience also next level?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: It's much more significant than the last Bracelet run and
Speaker 5: the vibe of everything, the chanting going on. It's really
Speaker 5: a different experience and I'm just trying to soak it
Speaker 5: all in and I enjoy it while I can't.
Speaker 2: What makes you ready for this moment?
Speaker 4: I mean my experience in the past.
Speaker 5: I've played a lot of online tournaments, so I feel
Speaker 5: like I have a lot more experience than most people do,
Speaker 5: even if they're older.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've put in the volume.
Speaker 5: I've also been in a lot of deep runs for
Speaker 5: a million up top many times before.
Speaker 4: So there'll be some people out there with more experience,
Speaker 4: like Ensign, who has you know.
Speaker 5: Played with ten miler the top, But I feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm one of the top three or four
Speaker 5: people who have played, you know, the most money.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 3: As far as what's coming now, this final phase to
Speaker 3: the final table. Yeah, what's your approach and how do
Speaker 3: you think it's going to play out?
Speaker 4: It's really hard to say. I'm just gonna play my game.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I don't want to leak too much strategy
Speaker 5: is the thing. I don't want to leak too much strategy.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm just gonna keep doing what I've been
Speaker 5: doing as the chip leader. I won't be doing many
Speaker 5: two out of line things, but I'll just try and be.
Speaker 4: Aggressive and I'll try and you know, I always like
Speaker 4: trying to make people sweat, but I'm making people sweat.
Speaker 4: I'm doing something a right.
Speaker 3: Final question, what's it like to be Chippler in the
Speaker 3: main on the eight unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It hasn't really sunk in yet.
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of just treating it, trying to keep
Speaker 5: it like a regular pokesord it in my head, while
Speaker 5: at the same time it's like an awesome experience, but
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to like keep that mental.
Speaker 4: Yeah level.
Speaker 1: So that was Malcolm Trainer. I love to hear that
Speaker 1: sort of approach, you know, that sort of mentality from
Speaker 1: the kid. He's only twenty six years old, but you
Speaker 1: can just tell that he's a very thoughtful, insightful, intelligent
Speaker 1: person and that obviously translates to his play. I think
Speaker 1: Malcolm Tranner has played extremely well throughout this tournament. Of course,
Speaker 1: yes he got lucky in some spots, but that's tournament poker.
Speaker 1: You have to get lucky in some spots and it
Speaker 1: does help when you push the envelope as the aggressor
Speaker 1: and you're able to take those shots. So he's the
Speaker 1: chip leader coming into today. And of course we have
Speaker 1: talked about it in the past that that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: guarantee you anything. And I did say on the last
Speaker 1: episode that I thought Malcolm Trainor was gonna make it
Speaker 1: to this final table. Well, you know, hate to break
Speaker 1: it to you guys, but spoiler alert, he didn't. But
Speaker 1: we'll get into what happened and where he fell as
Speaker 1: we go on. But things started with a bang on
Speaker 1: day eight on the first hand delt Or at their table,
Speaker 1: Finland's Laurie Shascalatti doubled, he jammed or sorry, he three
Speaker 1: bets from the Big Blind versus Lucas Jumalan's open on
Speaker 1: the button. Jumlan had king four of clubs saske he
Speaker 1: had ace king off Juma Lan went for the four
Speaker 1: bet jam Sasculotti called and the ace king held from
Speaker 1: there to give Sasclotti the double up. Then more fireworks
Speaker 1: were had when we had a giant three way all
Speaker 1: in clash between Todd Brunson, brock Wilson and Malcolm Trainer.
Speaker 1: Brunson had ace king of diamonds, brock Wilson had pocket
Speaker 1: kings and Trainer had pocket queens. So of course big
Speaker 1: hands like this, the money is likely going to get
Speaker 1: in the flop comes eight deuce deuice. There's a single
Speaker 1: diamond on the flop, nine of diamonds on the turn,
Speaker 1: so Brunson can now hit an ace or he can
Speaker 1: hit a diamond. Well, the river was an ace. I
Speaker 1: believe it was the ace of spades, so that allowed
Speaker 1: Todd Brunson to triple up. Now Wilson did win the
Speaker 1: side pot against Trainer with his kings beating Trainers queens,
Speaker 1: so he basically stayed even on the hand. I think
Speaker 1: he went into it with a little bit over fifteen
Speaker 1: million and that's what he left coming out of it.
Speaker 1: And then Trainer was clipped some Trainer still was very
Speaker 1: healthy after the hand, but you know it obviously does
Speaker 1: hurt to lose chips like that. Then we had our
Speaker 1: first bust out of the day and that was Dylan Smith.
Speaker 1: He went out in twenty first place for three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand dollars. You know, Dylan hung around,
Speaker 1: hung around, hung around. I talked about in the last
Speaker 1: episode how he was really valuing his tournament life. Ultimately
Speaker 1: he did find a spot to get all in with Asjack.
Speaker 1: He got all in against Jumalan King Queen of Diamonds.
Speaker 1: It was running diamonds to give Jumalan a flush, and
Speaker 1: that kote Dylan Smith in twenty first place. Then you
Speaker 1: had what I think is probably the pot of the
Speaker 1: day when you think about how everything then played out
Speaker 1: from there on out, because we had an enormous double
Speaker 1: up for the kid for Jumalan against the popular possibly
Speaker 1: arising to an extent colorful. Certainly, Will gibbins Jumalan out
Speaker 1: of the small blind raised a little bit over three
Speaker 1: x with Ace ten off. Gibvens made it nine point
Speaker 1: six X from the big blind with Ace Queen Off.
Speaker 1: So Ace Queen Off dominating the Ace ten off for Jumalan.
Speaker 1: Jumalan responds with a jam he piles all in from
Speaker 1: more than forty three big blinds. Gibvens calls it off,
Speaker 1: has his man dominated, but the ten to ten four
Speaker 1: flop smashes Jumalan. The turns a blank to leave Gibbons
Speaker 1: drawing dead. And that was the hand that gave Jumalan
Speaker 1: in enormous chip stack. It left Gibvens not out of
Speaker 1: the tournament just yet. He did have a few big
Speaker 1: blinds left, but I mean, holy hell, that was that
Speaker 1: was a hand that was an absolute freaking hand from there,
Speaker 1: you know, Givens did get a double up at one point,
Speaker 1: and then Todd Brunson went out and twentieth place. He
Speaker 1: got his money in a really good spot. He had aces,
Speaker 1: he had red aces. It was against Malcolm Trainer. I
Speaker 1: believe it was Brunson opening trainer defending from the big
Speaker 1: blind if I remember correctly. It was eight three deuce
Speaker 1: with two clubs. Trainer had ace jack of clubs. I
Speaker 1: think he check called the flop, did trainer, and then
Speaker 1: the turn was a jack. So now he's got a
Speaker 1: pair of jack's top top kicker and the nut flush
Speaker 1: draw and he checked jams. Brunson calls it off, rivers
Speaker 1: the four of clubs, and we say goodbye to Todd Brunson.
Speaker 1: Then after that Givens, you know, he held on for
Speaker 1: as long as he could, ultimately fell in nineteenth place,
Speaker 1: also taking home three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And it was Jumalan who ultimately did Givens in King
Speaker 1: jack Off for Givens, ju Milan's got pocket aces.
Speaker 2: So it did come.
Speaker 1: Given said King jack Off with the jack of clubs.
Speaker 1: It came Queen ten eight, I think all club but
Speaker 1: the ace of clubs did belong to Jumalan, so he
Speaker 1: needed the nin o'clubs, did Givens. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: make that flush, it would have been a straight flush,
Speaker 1: but ultimately bricks out and we lose Givens in nineteenth
Speaker 1: place for three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. And
Speaker 1: then to close the book on Will Gibbins's run in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth WICIP main event, Remco caught up
Speaker 1: with him on the floor and here is that conversation
Speaker 1: for you guys right now.
Speaker 2: Well, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3: After all this went down so close to the dream man.
Speaker 7: Uh, there's a lot on my mind.
Speaker 8: I just had two interviews from now after just talking
Speaker 8: about it over and over. It's it's bigger than my emotions,
Speaker 8: is you know what I'm saying, Like my emotions telling
Speaker 8: me it's okay, you go, You'll you'll get it.
Speaker 7: You know you're gonna make millions. I already see it.
Speaker 7: But everybody's like, oh, how you feel being so close?
Speaker 8: And isn't this I really go none when I'm in
Speaker 8: the like when I'm in the battlefield, so like, I
Speaker 8: don't have the emotion and that's what keeps me so killed.
Speaker 8: And so the emotion hasn't took over me yet. Maybe
Speaker 8: when I'm in the bed and I wake up and
Speaker 8: I look at it and I see the equity and
Speaker 8: how much it was, and yeah, man, maybe I'll feel
Speaker 8: and I'll be at my own piece, I mean, my
Speaker 8: own serenity, and who knows what I'll do.
Speaker 7: But I'm still happy and blessed to be here.
Speaker 8: Like I said, I was ben one. I registered on
Speaker 8: day two two, so I come in.
Speaker 4: Super late three.
Speaker 9: This is day eight. Blessed.
Speaker 8: I have nothing else to complain about. I mean, suck
Speaker 8: Off's happened to suck off could have happened on day
Speaker 8: two when I registered at sixteen, know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Super late.
Speaker 8: So I gotta look at it as the glasses half full,
Speaker 8: not half dificy.
Speaker 7: That's how I live my life anyway. It's all about
Speaker 7: a perspective.
Speaker 3: Talk to me about the support you received both on
Speaker 3: the rail. I can imagine your social media blowing up.
Speaker 2: Bro, what's it been like?
Speaker 7: Nonstopping?
Speaker 8: People think that I'm ignoring them, And She's like, y'all
Speaker 8: don't understand.
Speaker 7: Y'all don't understand.
Speaker 8: I'm getting messages left right, cauls left right, texts like
Speaker 8: I love it. But when I'm in this zone, I can't.
Speaker 8: I can't use the energy that way. My energy gotta
Speaker 8: be like aligned in here. I love it, first of all.
Speaker 8: I love I love it when people I feel like
Speaker 8: they take it. They get sensitive when I get into this,
Speaker 8: this warrior zone, you know what I'm saying, And they
Speaker 8: just don't understand somebody out there fighting up a knife fight.
Speaker 7: You ain't gonna be like, hey man, what's up? And
Speaker 7: he's fighting.
Speaker 8: No, let him focus on it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: That's how I just go into this killer be killed mode.
Speaker 8: And once I'm in that mold don't talk to me.
Speaker 8: I love you, but that's no disrespect to anybody. I'm
Speaker 8: not saying no topic cause I like, but I just
Speaker 8: I just.
Speaker 7: Go into this mode.
Speaker 6: Bro, I can't explain it. I just go by.
Speaker 7: I go into a different, different zone.
Speaker 8: And and because I'm in that zone, it's messed me
Speaker 8: up in reality.
Speaker 7: And I've talked to somebody else about this before.
Speaker 8: Relationships suck for me because if me and this girl breakup,
Speaker 8: I don't care go poker has like so I try
Speaker 8: to like balance it, like, Okay, will you gotta realize
Speaker 8: you gotta have emotion because this type of stuff right here,
Speaker 8: if your emotions is too high, you'll be down there crying.
Speaker 8: So you got to so you have to cut it
Speaker 8: off so you don't feel it so you can be
Speaker 8: ready for the next one and be.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 7: just rambling. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: I got one more for you.
Speaker 3: If people watch this and feel inspired by the way
Speaker 3: you play, the way you act, the things you say,
Speaker 3: what's the message you would like to give to them
Speaker 3: their for chasing their dreams.
Speaker 9: Be yourself.
Speaker 7: I'll never change from nobody else. Be humble. See people
Speaker 7: don't know. I'm very thankful for everything.
Speaker 8: You know, Like, don't never be too big, like to
Speaker 8: where like you forget.
Speaker 9: Who you are.
Speaker 8: Always keep an identity, Always trust your gut, never quit,
Speaker 8: never quit. Yeah, and uh, never look too far ahead.
Speaker 8: Stay in a moment. You know, nothing is built overnight.
Speaker 8: That's worth, that's that's that's here still, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. So just stay in the moment, and uh,
Speaker 8: don't let anybody tell you what your vision is.
Speaker 7: Hold on to your own vision.
Speaker 8: When you when you're telling people and they knocking you
Speaker 8: and they're telling you that you can't do this or whatever,
Speaker 8: all you gonna do is get discouraged, keep it to yourself,
Speaker 8: lock in tunnel vision and.
Speaker 6: Keep it moving.
Speaker 1: So that was Will Givings on his way out the door.
Speaker 1: I would say to him, you know, hold your head high.
Speaker 1: You got your money in an absolutely incredible spot and
Speaker 1: the deck just didn't favor you. Which it sucks, of course,
Speaker 1: it absolutely sucks, but still a great run for Will
Speaker 1: gives three hundred and twenty five K in the bank.
Speaker 1: Believe he cashed overall at this World Series of Poker
Speaker 1: for more than five hundred maybe six hundred thousand dollars total.
Speaker 1: He had that one final table in the PLO, he
Speaker 1: had another deep run of the Millionaire Maker, and then
Speaker 1: of course he has the very deep run here in
Speaker 1: the WISP main event, down to eighteen players, down to
Speaker 1: two tables. Thomas Klack bus in eighteenth place for three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. He flopped two pair
Speaker 1: on the ace ten to five board in a three
Speaker 1: way pot, but Hossin Enson, the twenty nineteen champion of
Speaker 1: this very event, making another run. He turned a better
Speaker 1: two pair with ace seven, A seven hit the turn,
Speaker 1: the money goes in, and that was all she wrote
Speaker 1: for Thomas Klack. That hand and that pot put Enson
Speaker 1: up to sixty six million, And at this stage, you know,
Speaker 1: it really did start to look like En going to
Speaker 1: just absolutely cruise his way to another disipy main event
Speaker 1: final label in the modern era and have a shot
Speaker 1: at winning poker's greatest tournament once again, which would have
Speaker 1: been absolutely freaking outrageous if that were to be the case.
Speaker 1: You know that that was like to me, that was
Speaker 1: the headlining story. You know, is he going to do
Speaker 1: it again? We've seen many deep runs from previous champions.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen many close calls to winning it again.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Katta doing it in what was it
Speaker 1: it was he won it in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: and then in twenty eighteen, I think he got fifth place.
Speaker 1: You know, that was an absolutely incredible run by him,
Speaker 1: and then crazy stuff. But in the two thousand and
Speaker 1: what was it eighteen when he got fifth and he
Speaker 1: just goes on to then enter the closer and just wins.
Speaker 1: That just just wild stuff there from Joe Kada. But
Speaker 1: you know that's the type of levels that we're talking
Speaker 1: about with with hosting Enson making this run here and
Speaker 1: you know we're down to the file two tables. He's
Speaker 1: super healthy on chips, he looks locked in, he looks
Speaker 1: in the zone. He's getting a lot of hands too,
Speaker 1: which helps of course, yes, and it's like, okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. He's gonna freaking do it. So after we
Speaker 1: lose Clack, we lose Romayne Lewis in seventeenth place. He
Speaker 1: four bet jammed with pocket kings only to run smack
Speaker 1: into Greg Mueller's aces bricks out for Lewis. He's out
Speaker 1: the door in seventeenth for four hundred and ten k
Speaker 1: and then we lost brock Wilson in sixteenth place. Now
Speaker 1: I do have to rewind quickly to the hand where
Speaker 1: it was the three way all in between Brunson, Wilson,
Speaker 1: and trainer. You could get the sense that Wilson thought
Speaker 1: he lost the hand completely and that he was out.
Speaker 1: Like the way that he reacted when that river cart
Speaker 1: hit it certainly looked like he might have been out
Speaker 1: of the tournament. But he wasn't out of the tournament.
Speaker 1: He regrouped, you know, he got back together or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, collected himself and then he was going on
Speaker 1: to fight on. But ultimately his run did end in
Speaker 1: sixteenth place. Also four hundred and ten thousand dollars for him.
Speaker 1: Pretty sick way to go to. Daniel Savas opened on
Speaker 1: the button with nine eight of hearts. Brock Wilson jammed
Speaker 1: twelve and a half big lines from the big line
Speaker 1: with King jack Off. Savas got a count, took some time,
Speaker 1: and then made the call with the nine eight of hearts.
Speaker 1: So six spot. When you see that call from your opponent,
Speaker 1: because he's got a good hand that's plenty live up
Speaker 1: against your hand, it comes ten nine to six favoring
Speaker 1: service and then just bricks out for Wilson and he's
Speaker 1: out the door, but nevertheless a very good run for
Speaker 1: Brock Wilson. After that, we saw Michael Gagliano aka Gags.
Speaker 1: He doubled through Sean Deep tens versus Ash jack Off,
Speaker 1: and then we later lost Sean Deep. You know, he
Speaker 1: got down kind of shortish after losing that flip to Gagliano.
Speaker 1: Pretty standard flip. You know, money just goes in one
Speaker 1: one's gotta win, one's gotta lose. Deep gets down, he
Speaker 1: kind of fights back up, but then ultimately he goes
Speaker 1: out in fifteenth, also taking four hundred and ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: His hand was it was a three way pot to
Speaker 1: the Queen five to four rainbow flop. Deeb Alex to
Speaker 1: check Jam over a bet from Rami Hamoud. Hamoud calls
Speaker 1: with Ace Queen top hair, top kicker, Deeb's got seven
Speaker 1: to six for the open ender. No help comes for
Speaker 1: Sean Deeb and he's out the door trying to get
Speaker 1: into the next tournament because all he cares about is
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. Remko also caught up with Sean
Speaker 1: Deeb after he was done doing some other interviews and
Speaker 1: getting through his main event run. Talk to him about
Speaker 1: getting knocked out his run in this tournament, and then
Speaker 1: what's next for deep in the Player of the Year chase.
Speaker 1: So here is that interview with Remco and Sean deeb
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: So what's next? What can you register for?
Speaker 10: I readistered for the fifth twenty five K Horse, but
Speaker 10: I realized that I probably should play the five hundred
Speaker 10: Summer Saver first because register closing in seven minutes. So
Speaker 10: I'm gonna click register there, hop in that one first,
Speaker 10: and then go to the Horse.
Speaker 6: After at anybody at any playing for you.
Speaker 10: Know, ten million dollars and I go play a five
Speaker 10: dollars tournament. I just love poker. I love the World Series.
Speaker 10: And my table's gonna laugh when they see me, and
Speaker 10: they're gonna be like, aren't you in the main I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 10: I'll just tell them multi tabling to fuck with them
Speaker 10: a little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the delay wouldn't even have caught up yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd be showing up there.
Speaker 10: They're gonna get a spoiler and they're gonna be so dejected.
Speaker 10: But obviously I'm coming in with like ten big blinds
Speaker 10: in a five tournament, but I'll probably bag Chipley didn't that,
Speaker 10: and that that'll be you know what I did tomorrow.
Speaker 3: So your mindset throughout this tournament seems so chill, so relaxed.
Speaker 3: I know that that's what you're always like, but do
Speaker 3: you think that it's carried you in a way also
Speaker 3: against the opposition, perhaps freaking him out a little bit.
Speaker 10: I think they were burning a lot of extra energy
Speaker 10: with their stress level, their adrenaline bumping. I was getting
Speaker 10: seven eight hours of sleep at night, totally relaxed all in,
Speaker 10: heart rate was nothing. You know, I'm not emotional that
Speaker 10: I wasn't treating the spot like too big. I was
Speaker 10: just playing, you know, poker with my ability, and I
Speaker 10: don't think I don't think everyone in that field would
Speaker 10: raise call the h jack I did. I think it's
Speaker 10: a good call. And you know, I played a few
Speaker 10: spots for chippyv over icm. You know, the King four
Speaker 10: off call for five bigs, and there's a couple other
Speaker 10: spots like I'm linning increase variance, especially versus better players
Speaker 10: and the good players in the field, and that's my style.
Speaker 10: And sometimes I get all the chips and sometimes I
Speaker 10: bust and I'm content with that, and that's been my
Speaker 10: career and I'm nothing's going to change.
Speaker 2: You chase the accolade of winning POY.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's a huge thing, a huge operation, but you
Speaker 3: never seem to talk about the prestige that could have
Speaker 3: been in the main event.
Speaker 2: They give a banner for that thing too, you know,
Speaker 2: I trust me.
Speaker 10: I had thought about winning the Main, getting like so
Speaker 10: many POY points and being the first person at four banners.
Speaker 10: I was aware, you know, and I know mers. I
Speaker 10: think Merson's only one who double one the Main and POY.
Speaker 10: But you know, there's always other times, and I know
Speaker 10: that the stamina of the Main I'm capable of having
Speaker 10: because I'm here fifty dights, like on the same sleep schedule,
Speaker 10: the same work schedule, every day, like every day of
Speaker 10: the summer.
Speaker 6: These guys are coming out here.
Speaker 10: They don't play a term, so the first one they play,
Speaker 10: they're not used to showing up every day and going
Speaker 10: to work.
Speaker 6: And I am I could I.
Speaker 10: Could do this for another six months straight, you know,
Speaker 10: the World Series of eight months. My wife would divorce me,
Speaker 10: but I would still be here, you know, playing every day,
Speaker 10: every event.
Speaker 3: Final question. The main gets so much extra attention. What
Speaker 3: has it been like to be in the middle of that.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm gonna pull a phil helmet at the name drop.
Speaker 2: It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 10: Every day Kevin Pollock's texting me asking what my chips
Speaker 10: deck is, trying to get updates. You know, it's cool,
Speaker 10: you know, meeting celebrities, knowing that they want to be
Speaker 10: doing what I do, and just so much support. I
Speaker 10: have a great circle of friends, all Team Lucky, you know,
Speaker 10: and have everyone else behind me.
Speaker 6: It's great.
Speaker 10: I love, you know, fans asking for photos and it's
Speaker 10: just it's cool. Treating poker has made me a celebrity
Speaker 10: and poker, but I'm also humble in some ways. I'm
Speaker 10: not humble in a lot of ways, but there's a
Speaker 10: couple I still.
Speaker 1: Am so Sean deep snap into the five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: Summer Saver, he's just an absolutely sick individual.
Speaker 2: Busted that and then.
Speaker 1: Hopped into the twenty five k horse that is still running.
Speaker 1: I think there's still three tournaments to start too. I
Speaker 1: think there's a like a one k or a fifteen hundred.
Speaker 1: There's a five k, and then there's the one K
Speaker 1: Super Turbo in two days. So it's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: to think that the WSOP main event makes the final table.
Speaker 1: It feels like the series is done, but it's not.
Speaker 1: There's still two more full days of action. That's that's
Speaker 1: going to be happening at the World Series of Poker.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm going to travel down there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I will, I say that, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll be down there for something, you know, because if
Speaker 1: the WSP is happening and if I can help it,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be there. We then we lost Daniel
Speaker 1: Salvas in fourteenth place for four hundred and ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He first ran pocket tens into Sascolatti's pocket. Jack's pretty
Speaker 1: standard hand with the money going in there, and then
Speaker 1: on the next hand after that he jammed all in
Speaker 1: for I think it was a little bit less than
Speaker 1: four big lines with nine to six off. Sascolotti finished
Speaker 1: him off with ast nine off had him dominated. So
Speaker 1: we lose Savas to get down to thirteen, and then
Speaker 1: this is when we see another big pot go the
Speaker 1: way of the kid. I'm gonna call him the kid,
Speaker 1: Lucas Jumalan. This time he won a big one off
Speaker 1: at the other kid slightly older though Malcolm trainer jacks
Speaker 1: versus Queen's. So this one came at the five hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: one million big blind level. Jumalan raises the button, makes
Speaker 1: it two big lines. Trainer three bets from the big
Speaker 1: blind to nine Biglindes. Jumalan calls in position with the jacks.
Speaker 1: It comes ace jack four two diamonds, Trainer best four million.
Speaker 1: Jumalan calls turns an ace or sorry in eight off
Speaker 1: suit eight. Trainer check calls eight and a half million.
Speaker 1: Believe the pot now is forty four and a half million,
Speaker 1: forty five million, something like that. The river's a four
Speaker 1: pairs the board, so now it's a full house for Jumalan.
Speaker 1: Trainer checks. Jumalan goes for thirty five million. Trainer Tanks
Speaker 1: ultimately makes the call. He is wrong in trying to
Speaker 1: make the hero call here because Jumalan's got the goods
Speaker 1: with the full house, and all of a sudden, Lucas
Speaker 1: Jumlan is up over one hundred million. He's up to
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five million and absolutely looking like
Speaker 1: he's gonna do the damn thing. Very impressed with Jumalan
Speaker 1: throughout much of the play here that we've seen him
Speaker 1: in the later stages. Yeah, he's had some stuff that
Speaker 1: may have not worked out in his favor, but the
Speaker 1: kid is very good. You can tell what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He goes for it. He's aggressive, he's fearless, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. He's got a little bit of a
Speaker 1: bravado about him too, which I do think.
Speaker 2: You have to kind of be.
Speaker 1: Crazy confident when you're getting into these spots, you know,
Speaker 1: because you have you do. You have to believe in
Speaker 1: yourself and you have to believe that you can ultimately
Speaker 1: go on to do it. And I think that that
Speaker 1: the kid does. I mean, he's got that twenty two
Speaker 1: year old mindset where I can do anything me against
Speaker 1: the world, it doesn't matter. So that's kind of great
Speaker 1: to see. So he's cruising here after this pot up
Speaker 1: to one hundred and twenty five million. Then we lose
Speaker 1: what I think was the biggest story left at the time,
Speaker 1: hosting Enson the champion from twenty and nineteen, going for
Speaker 1: back to going for another trip to the final table
Speaker 1: another title. In the Disop main event, he's out thirteenth
Speaker 1: for five hundred and ten k Lori Sascelotti opened on
Speaker 1: the button. Hosting Enson found a pretty standard spot here.
Speaker 1: I think to jam a little bit over twenty six
Speaker 1: Big Lilinds with Ace Queen off. The problem is, well,
Speaker 1: this is one of the things I just hate in poker,
Speaker 1: and I know all you players out there can understand
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. When the big blind just wakes
Speaker 1: up with it. I mean, I know the big line
Speaker 1: didn't actually do anything wrong, but it just sucks when
Speaker 1: you do the standard thing and then the person behind you,
Speaker 1: the one person behind you in this case, just wakes.
Speaker 2: Up with the goods.
Speaker 1: Michael Gagliano and the Big LiLine just picks up two cowboys,
Speaker 1: two kings, and that's that. You know, Enzun's out the door.
Speaker 1: Believe he did flop a queen but bricked out from there,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Gags Michael Gagliano is up
Speaker 1: to eighty one million. So we got Lucas Jumlan who
Speaker 1: just won that huge pot off Malcolm Trainer, He's cruising
Speaker 1: well over one hundred million, and now you've got Gags
Speaker 1: storming up the leaderboard thanks to taking out hosting Ens
Speaker 1: on just kind of a sick way to go for
Speaker 1: Enzon because that's just such a standard spot and you
Speaker 1: just get unlucky to run into it. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's the spot. So at this stage, right it's
Speaker 1: it's Jumalan as as the chip leader. He's clearly feeling it.
Speaker 1: His rail is freaking awesome. They are allowed, they are
Speaker 1: supporting their guy. Oftentimes he's like, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: celebrating them, whether that's just at the table with some
Speaker 1: some hand motions or whatever, or maybe he's going over
Speaker 1: to the rail like it's it's a really cool atmosphere
Speaker 1: between them. So with twelve left, they're playing six and six,
Speaker 1: Remco catches up with Lucas Jumalan on one of the
Speaker 1: breaks and he wanted to get a sense for how
Speaker 1: the kid's feeling in this moment, because he's the freaking
Speaker 1: chip leader and he's cruising with twelve players left in
Speaker 1: the WSVP main events. So here's that conversation right now.
Speaker 1: Remco and Lucas Jumalan.
Speaker 3: Lucas massive moment, twelve left in the main what are
Speaker 3: you feeling right now?
Speaker 11: I mean, it really hasn't set in yet. Like obviously
Speaker 11: super blessed to be here, but I don't think I'll
Speaker 11: really feel anything until it's like completely over. So I'm
Speaker 11: just trying to say locked in, centered and focused and
Speaker 11: do my thing.
Speaker 3: What's it like to have so much support on the rail?
Speaker 11: It means the world, I've told them over and over again.
Speaker 11: I'm so thankful that for all the love and all
Speaker 11: the support and everybody who's here and everybody who is not,
Speaker 11: And yeah, it's just truly a blessing and a dream
Speaker 11: come true.
Speaker 2: This event is so long.
Speaker 3: Have you noticed any shifts in your mindset, your approach
Speaker 3: as we got through the days?
Speaker 6: No, not really.
Speaker 11: I think I've stayed pretty grinded and center the whole time.
Speaker 11: There's been some highs and some lows I've had. I
Speaker 11: had five thousand ships in this thing at five hundred
Speaker 11: big blind, So pretty incredible to be here, truly truly special.
Speaker 3: The big part you played where you had Jacks full
Speaker 3: put into words what was going through your mind on
Speaker 3: the river when he was.
Speaker 6: Thinking of the call hero me, hero me, hero me?
Speaker 3: And then one final thought, we're getting closer to the
Speaker 3: final table.
Speaker 2: How many players around.
Speaker 3: You or you've played against do you think are trying
Speaker 3: to get to the final table?
Speaker 2: And what's your view on this next.
Speaker 11: I don't really want to give that away as of
Speaker 11: right now.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: The kid is just doing it at this time, loves
Speaker 1: the support behind him, loves what he's doing here. He's
Speaker 1: he's clicking all the right buttons. And when when someone
Speaker 1: like this is dialed in, you can just really start
Speaker 1: to sense it that it just might be their tournament.
Speaker 1: Now that said, I'm sure I've said that many times.
Speaker 1: I kind of started to say with Malcolm trainer after
Speaker 1: yesterday's performance, but you know, it can all kind of
Speaker 1: start to fall away, but we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Of course, with Lucas Jumalan Antonio Galliana, he ends up
Speaker 1: going out in twelve for five hundred and ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He called off to a four bet jam against Michael Gagliano.
Speaker 1: He called off did Galiana with ace queen off. Looked
Speaker 1: like a pretty pained decision from him, but ultimately made
Speaker 1: the call and he ran right into Gags's ace, king
Speaker 1: off the ace king off whole and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we have another player in the tournament who is up
Speaker 1: over one hundred million in chips, and this is Michael
Speaker 1: Gags Gagliano believe this put him up to one hundred
Speaker 1: and two million. That said, it didn't last all that long.
Speaker 1: Greg Mueller gets into a big clash with Gagliano once again.
Speaker 1: It's Ace King for Gagliano. He's up against the Queens
Speaker 1: for FBT, the classic of the classic races. Here the
Speaker 1: Queens end up holding for Mueller, he doubles up to
Speaker 1: get up to fifty six million, he clips gags back
Speaker 1: down to fifty seven million. And then meanwhile you have
Speaker 1: Juemlan who has now built his stack up to one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five million in chips. So I just
Speaker 1: said how he won that big pot off trainer he
Speaker 1: gets up to one hundred and twenty five million, he's
Speaker 1: looking really strong, of course, and then he's just went
Speaker 1: in more chips is Jummlan, and now with eleven left
Speaker 1: he's up to one hundred and fifty five million. Then
Speaker 1: we had Toga Karrakaiah busting in eleventh place, taking home
Speaker 1: three quarters of a million dollars seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. His Ace ten Off lost to Jamie Chevelle.
Speaker 1: Chevelle's jacks no help for the ace ten off and
Speaker 1: Karrakaia was gone in eleventh, so ten players remain short break.
Speaker 1: They all get situated around one table. I kind of
Speaker 1: wish that they would play five and five. I do
Speaker 1: understand that from a viewing perspective, it's easier to put
Speaker 1: players on one table, but I kind of wish that
Speaker 1: they would play five and five and then just I
Speaker 1: almost wish that they would play hand for hand and
Speaker 1: then for the production or for the product, play one
Speaker 1: hand at one table, go to the other table, play
Speaker 1: and just go back and forth right like that would
Speaker 1: be kind of cool.
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 1: I know that might extend things a little bit, but
Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, everything's just extended, So who cares.
Speaker 1: The shortest stack when there were ten players left was
Speaker 1: the Cypriot Eva Gorris Eva Gore with thirteen big blinds.
Speaker 1: Mario Boose was slightly ahead of him with sixteen big blinds,
Speaker 1: and then Jumalan was the chip leader. He was sitting
Speaker 1: on one hundred and eight big blinds. On the very
Speaker 1: first hand of ten handed play at the unofficial final table,
Speaker 1: Eva Goru doubles through Malcolm Trainer. It folds to Trainer
Speaker 1: in the small blind he jams with Queen aid Off,
Speaker 1: can't really blame him. Decent hand to do so does
Speaker 1: have some blocker properties, and you are going up against
Speaker 1: a player and Eva Goru who has been a little
Speaker 1: bit more on the conservative side throughout the later stages
Speaker 1: of this event. But Eva Goro did find a call
Speaker 1: with King seven of Clubs for his twelve big blind
Speaker 1: so he was able to double up through Malcolm Trainer
Speaker 1: and that left Malcolm Trainer with just seven point six
Speaker 1: big blinds. So it makes Trainer the short sex the
Speaker 1: trainer cos from start of day Chip Leader with twenty
Speaker 1: one left. Where I'm sitting here on the last episode
Speaker 1: talking about how I expect him to make the final table.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess technically he did make the final table,
Speaker 1: at least not the official one. And here he is
Speaker 1: ten left, getting clipped down to fewer than eight big blinds,
Speaker 1: and he's really gonna have to fight for things. Here
Speaker 1: there's a shot though that he could get to the
Speaker 1: official final table, and we could see Malcolm Trainer in
Speaker 1: August because Mario Boos gets all of his money in
Speaker 1: twelve point six big blinds on a three bet jam
Speaker 1: with pocket tens against hand Fang's ace king the tens
Speaker 1: hold to double for boost. He's able to double up.
Speaker 1: Fang is still doing all right on chips, and you know,
Speaker 1: if you're Trainer and you're Israel, obviously you want boost
Speaker 1: to bus so you can lock up that additional two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. There wasn't a pay jump
Speaker 1: from eleven to ten. Both eleven and tenth get seven
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty k, and then ninth place gets a million,
Speaker 1: So this is where that quarter of a million dollar
Speaker 1: pay jump comes in. So they play a while ten
Speaker 1: handed play. You know, some players are winning pots. A
Speaker 1: whole ton of aggression was happening. You know, players kind
Speaker 1: of really understood the situation. And then ultimately, you know,
Speaker 1: Trainer goes through the blinds one time. He's down to
Speaker 1: his last four big lines in the big line. After
Speaker 1: he posts the big blind anti Jumalan opens with a
Speaker 1: raise with King Queen off. Trainer defends his big line
Speaker 1: with jack four clubs. It comes eight eighty four, so
Speaker 1: Trainer's got two pair here. He pulls off the stop
Speaker 1: and go all in. He moves all in for his
Speaker 1: last two big lines. Jumalan calls getting a really good
Speaker 1: price and it comes. It's the sickest way that it
Speaker 1: could come. It doesn't come a king, it doesn't come
Speaker 1: a queen. It comes running nine to nine to counterfeit
Speaker 1: the two pair for Malcolm Trainer. Give Lucas Jumalan the
Speaker 1: pot and send the Aussie out the door in tenth place. Now,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Trainner played incredible. I thought it's a great result
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for him. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's going to be left wanting more. But after the
Speaker 1: success that he has had over these last two years,
Speaker 1: I think this kid just has to absolutely hold his
Speaker 1: head high. He sounds like a very solid, sound individual
Speaker 1: who is going to do great things in poker. You know,
Speaker 1: he's had some great results so far, and if he
Speaker 1: can you know, I talked about that quote, you know,
Speaker 1: after he won the AUSI millions, that he told Poker
Speaker 1: News that he's basically dedicated his life to the game
Speaker 1: for the last eight years. If he's able to keep
Speaker 1: going in the direction that he's been going in and
Speaker 1: keep working hard, you know, just putting his head down
Speaker 1: and grinding through it, he he's gonna win a boatload
Speaker 1: of money in this game Malcolm Trainer, so kudos to
Speaker 1: him a great run. Unfortunate that he had to bust
Speaker 1: in tenth place, but someone had to and ultimately it
Speaker 1: was the Ausie. So then we were left with nine.
Speaker 1: Lucas Jumlan. He did knock out Malcolm Trainer in tenth place.
Speaker 1: He's going to be bagging one hundred and ninety four
Speaker 1: million chips, which is good for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine big blinds when the final table is going to
Speaker 1: resume on August third. That is a giant That is
Speaker 1: a massive shout out, massive once again.
Speaker 2: Chip lead.
Speaker 1: Rami Hamoud out of Canada is in second place with
Speaker 1: seventy nine million, so he's got one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: million more than second place. I mean, that's just that's wild.
Speaker 1: Fifty three big lines for Hamoud. Jamie Chevelle comes in
Speaker 1: third here, fifty six million for him, thirty seven big blinds.
Speaker 1: Chevell is a player who he's predominantly a cash game player.
Speaker 1: I spoke with him after the final table was made.
Speaker 1: He's making his eighth cash in this event. I went
Speaker 1: over that on the last episode. If you guys want
Speaker 1: to go back, if you miss that, but his eighth
Speaker 1: cash in this event. This is of course his best finished.
Speaker 1: So let's just play that that little chat that I
Speaker 1: had with Jamie Chevelle after found table wrapped up. Now
Speaker 1: we can get to hear from him a little bit.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard from him yet, but he was pumped.
Speaker 1: He was absolutely pumped to make it, and it was
Speaker 1: a pleasure to chat with him. So here's that that
Speaker 1: talk right now. All right, I'm here with Jamie Chavelle,
Speaker 1: just made the main men final table. You're a man
Speaker 1: who has a lot of history with this event. I
Speaker 1: think it's eight cashes. Now, what is it about this
Speaker 1: tournament that allows you to succeed.
Speaker 6: As a poker player.
Speaker 12: Honestly, is the only tournament I've played so so, but no,
Speaker 12: I think it's just because I play cash games.
Speaker 6: That's my main thing.
Speaker 12: And in this tournament is more like cash games, at
Speaker 12: least in the first couple of days than any other tournament.
Speaker 12: It's a really cool, slow, deep structure plays to my
Speaker 12: what I know, I guess and I don't know. I
Speaker 12: don't really know how I've I mean, I've cashed a lot,
Speaker 12: but I've never had anything like this before, so this
Speaker 12: is pretty unturned waters for man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, at this in this tournament, right, you start
Speaker 1: going deeper and deeper and deeper. And you've had some
Speaker 1: deep runs before, but obviously nothing like this before. At
Speaker 1: what point in this run did it really become real
Speaker 1: and start just thinking like, Okay, I got a shot
Speaker 1: at the fun table.
Speaker 12: It's really strange, but I felt very different this run
Speaker 12: than any run I've had in the past. For whatever reason,
Speaker 12: I've just been much more relaxed and appreciative of everything
Speaker 12: happening and not worried about making a mistake or stressed out.
Speaker 12: And I've just played very free and I think that's
Speaker 12: probably helped a bit. Obviously I've had tremendous luck along
Speaker 12: the way to get here, as we all have.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 12: Maybe maybe it's just the experience factors helped me out,
Speaker 12: but it's it's been a unique run for me, I guess.
Speaker 6: Different from the rest.
Speaker 1: You had one big hands the nut flush straw against
Speaker 1: the set of fours with the straight draw as well.
Speaker 1: Talk me through that moment you get all your chips
Speaker 1: in it such a big spun.
Speaker 12: I'll tell you that the rush and the adrenaline from
Speaker 12: that is really unlike anything else in life, you can't
Speaker 12: you cannot really simulate that in anything else.
Speaker 6: It's just a very very unique, very.
Speaker 12: Cool happy to have won that one obviously, kind of
Speaker 12: shows you the butterfly ef back from tournaments is crazy, right.
Speaker 12: If the other gentleman had, you know, haired the board
Speaker 12: or just won that hand, he might be here and
Speaker 12: I'm not. And I mean that's what's cool about tournaments
Speaker 12: is just you know, any one little thing can dictate
Speaker 12: everybody's faith.
Speaker 6: It's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple weeks off now before the final table,
Speaker 1: any ideas of what you're gonna do.
Speaker 6: Go home, just chill, hang out, run up my normal life.
Speaker 6: It won't change.
Speaker 12: I've got a couple of awesome kids at home, and
Speaker 12: you know, I've played poker. Back at home, I've got
Speaker 12: a really great group of guys that I've played poker with.
Speaker 6: So you know, it'll be my business as usual for me.
Speaker 1: You heard it there from Jamie. Not much is gonna
Speaker 1: change between now and August third. Gonna go back to
Speaker 1: his normal life, go back to his family, his kids,
Speaker 1: and just you know, I guess, kind of rest and
Speaker 1: relax and get ready to go for the final table
Speaker 1: in August. Fourth place coming in in August will be
Speaker 1: mister FBT, Greg Mueller forty eight and a half million
Speaker 1: for him thirty two big blinds. He caught up with
Speaker 1: Remco right after play. I think I'm pretty sure, he said.
Speaker 1: Right at the beginning of the interview, he got a
Speaker 1: phone call from the head coach of the Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking to his good buddy Sean
Speaker 1: Buchanan Bucky on the rail and Bucky has been coaching
Speaker 1: him from I think day four, just really really helping
Speaker 1: him the whole way through getting him to this final table.
Speaker 1: And then Bucky was also telling me that, you know,
Speaker 1: if he makes his final table. This was you know,
Speaker 1: I think when they were ten handed and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if Greg makes the final table, then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking tons of hockey guys. X NHL A is
Speaker 1: all going to be coming out making a thing of it.
Speaker 1: So this is pretty cool. You know, Greg does have
Speaker 1: that that X either semi pro pro hockey background, knows
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. He does a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff with the Vancouver Canucks organization, so I expect Greg
Speaker 1: Greg's rail. It wasn't as rowdy just yet, but come August,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of FBT supporters there, so
Speaker 1: that's that's really cool. But anyway, here is Greg Mueller
Speaker 1: after making the final table with Remcom Greener.
Speaker 2: I'll call you back.
Speaker 9: It's an interview city over here.
Speaker 13: Call you back, coach of the Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 6: Beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, talk to me of the response, the energy,
Speaker 3: what's happening right now?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest.
Speaker 13: What I learned out of this, other than the poker stuff,
Speaker 13: was how blessed I am in life. I have so
Speaker 13: many people cheering for me, like rooting genuinely for me,
Speaker 13: that itself feels amazing no matter what place I come
Speaker 13: in on the final table, just the love and support
Speaker 13: I have from my family and friends is undescribable.
Speaker 3: Was this almost like a thing that you needed to
Speaker 3: be reminded of that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: I mean I always know that I have a wicked support.
Speaker 13: Group, but it just I needed it for my poker prowess,
Speaker 13: like I was, you know, like it's just like, hey, hey,
Speaker 13: if I want to play, I can.
Speaker 3: You know, this run is so insane on so many
Speaker 3: different levels.
Speaker 2: But talk to me about the.
Speaker 3: Closing hours here As you get closer while still knowing
Speaker 3: that there's traps everywhere and you could be eleventh or
Speaker 3: tenth and then all of a sudden, the experience is
Speaker 3: very different.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, you know, the money's very big, obviously,
Speaker 13: But to me when we were ten handed, what was
Speaker 13: more important was for me to get on ESPN as
Speaker 13: a final nine, more so than the pay jump of
Speaker 13: getting to the final nine. Just I just think the fun,
Speaker 13: the opportunities for me with my you know, personality, I
Speaker 13: thought I thought it was.
Speaker 6: Important for me to make to make the feed the
Speaker 6: final table.
Speaker 3: The gloves will really come off when you come back.
Speaker 3: You already talked about wanting to get a little fitter.
Speaker 3: What can we expect from you and the rail I
Speaker 3: know that I think hockey town will be all over
Speaker 3: this thing.
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean the one thing is now that I'm here,
Speaker 13: I'm gonna have a lot less like I'll have way
Speaker 13: less fear, you know what i mean, because I'm I'm
Speaker 13: still gonna play correctly, but I'm saying, you know, like
Speaker 13: towards the end, you gotta clamp up if you want
Speaker 13: to guarantee yourself a seat. And not that I really did,
Speaker 13: I didn't have any hands to play, and I was
Speaker 13: okay with that, you know.
Speaker 9: But yeah, now that.
Speaker 13: I'm there, I'm looking to win, not squeak up and
Speaker 13: I seem myself into fifth.
Speaker 6: I'm looking to win.
Speaker 13: So if there's a chance for me to go for it, I'm.
Speaker 9: Going for it.
Speaker 3: Who's coming out, who's gonna be on your rail off?
Speaker 2: Give us some names?
Speaker 13: I mean, first and foremost, my buddy Sean Buchanan, who's
Speaker 13: been instrumental in this whole run with me. I'll I'll
Speaker 13: be honest. He has been on my ass about my phone,
Speaker 13: my my demeanor, Get up off the table, put the
Speaker 13: hoodie on, focus, no emotions, Let's go go to bed
Speaker 13: like I'm not kidding twenty four to seven. Amongst discussing hands,
Speaker 13: hand history, doing the research of the other players, he's
Speaker 13: been it's almost like I love the team atmosphere. It's
Speaker 13: almost like it's been a team after truthfully.
Speaker 1: Next up we have Michael Gagliano. I caught up with
Speaker 1: Gags after he reached the final table and did a
Speaker 1: couple of interviews. Forty six point five million in the bag,
Speaker 1: thirty one big lines for him. Gags made a deep run.
Speaker 1: I think it was last year one hundred and fortieth place.
Speaker 1: If not, it was the year before, but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it was last year. And then here, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, he's a lifetime grinder. It is Gagliano.
Speaker 1: He's been doing this for many, many, many years, and
Speaker 1: now here he is at Pokerspinnacle the WSP Main Event
Speaker 1: Final Table, and I wanted to chat with him about it.
Speaker 1: So let's hear from Gagliano. All right, Michael Gagliano here
Speaker 1: just made the WSP Main Event Final table. You've just
Speaker 1: someone who's been around the industry for a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, you've put in a lot of years on
Speaker 1: the felt Did you ever think it would culminate in
Speaker 1: this achievement?
Speaker 8: Leason?
Speaker 9: I mean I have to obviously say no.
Speaker 14: You know, well, listen, everybody dreams of making you know,
Speaker 14: the main and men final table. And like I was
Speaker 14: talking to Romie, like he said, kept keep saying like
Speaker 14: it doesn't feel real, doesn't feel real.
Speaker 9: I've played quite a number of tournaments.
Speaker 14: I don't really get too nervous, even deep there's obviously
Speaker 14: a level of like anxiety. I felt much more nervous
Speaker 14: on day four than I did on basically any of
Speaker 14: the other days. I don't really know why I had
Speaker 14: a good stack, but it just like, going throughout the day,
Speaker 14: I felt like.
Speaker 9: It was just like I felt. I felt it was
Speaker 9: just a little more nervous than usual.
Speaker 14: I had a couple of tough table draws and I
Speaker 14: just was like, I'm not super comfortable. And I ended
Speaker 14: the day reasonably poorly and I only bagged about fourteen bigs,
Speaker 14: and I kind of felt like I was just like
Speaker 14: out honestly, which obviously it wasn't, but I felt like, well,
Speaker 14: I only have fourteen bigs.
Speaker 9: I'm just gonna do my best. I played this a.
Speaker 14: Million times, you know, I've grinded these stacks online, and uh.
Speaker 9: I came into the day.
Speaker 14: Just feeling like very clear headed and really good. And
Speaker 14: I got it in bad. I got an ace cream
Speaker 14: ers ace king, and I hit a queen in the
Speaker 14: river and the guy sitting next to me told me
Speaker 14: how the guy before me, who was there, I guess,
Speaker 14: got really bad beat.
Speaker 9: And he's like, oh, you're this seat is hot.
Speaker 14: Now You're you're in good shape, And I was like,
Speaker 14: all right, Like sure, he watched me hit the queen
Speaker 14: and then.
Speaker 9: I just didn't lose Apop for like eight hours.
Speaker 14: And uh, because I guess I had felt like kind
Speaker 14: of mentally like I was already out of him, and
Speaker 14: I'm just gonna like, all right, we're just gonna see
Speaker 14: what happens now and just see how far I can
Speaker 14: go and do my best. But I don't know, this
Speaker 14: part of it doesn't feel real. But uh, I'm here
Speaker 14: so too.
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about the dynamics towards
Speaker 1: the end before making the final table. Your table had
Speaker 1: all the chips and the other table didn't have that
Speaker 1: many chips. You know, just talk about going through that
Speaker 1: and having to battle with a lot of other big
Speaker 1: stacks and in a lot of ways have to be
Speaker 1: cautious weirdly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was definitely a little awkward. I mean, we
Speaker 9: hit the top five and the bottom five work of
Speaker 9: the table. We were joking that they weren't playing, they
Speaker 9: were just sitting there.
Speaker 14: And when we got to the final table, we were
Speaker 14: kind of needling the guys a bit saying that. Somebody said, oh,
Speaker 14: we went to get dinner, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 14: we figured we saw the chip stacks weren't moving, But
Speaker 14: now they had a couple of LANs, but nobody busted
Speaker 14: and they just kept swapping stacks.
Speaker 9: It was like one guy hit ten, guy twenty and
Speaker 9: then they just swapped.
Speaker 14: So yeah, we had a bunch of a bunch of
Speaker 14: good players, a bunch of big stacks. I don't know,
Speaker 14: it just was. It was definitely like a little more cautious.
Speaker 14: I think people were afraid to play really big pots rightfully.
Speaker 14: So there were a couple of big bets, some like
Speaker 14: reasonable sized pots, but nothing too crazy.
Speaker 9: But I don't know, I'll see.
Speaker 14: Maybe on the footage, maybe we're getting a little more
Speaker 14: out of line than I thought they were, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Speaking of playing big pots, you played a big one
Speaker 1: with Greg Mueller, your ace King versus Queens. You know,
Speaker 1: you got it up to one hundred million. You guys
Speaker 1: played that big pot. Is there any sort of kind
Speaker 1: of doubt that might creep in in that moment where
Speaker 1: it's like, hmm, maybe this might go the other way?
Speaker 1: Or how do you kind of recenter yourself and then
Speaker 1: stay focused.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's poker. Every hand is nice win. Every
Speaker 14: time you get all in, you want to win, if
Speaker 14: it's for four big ones or forty.
Speaker 9: Some of them you win, some of them you lose.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 14: I kind of sometimes when I'm sitting there, I'm always
Speaker 14: I think like, oh, this would be a nice one
Speaker 14: to win, like, but they're all nice to win, you know,
Speaker 14: So I don't know, I just kind of just sit
Speaker 14: there and see what happens.
Speaker 9: I don't know. That was a big flip for sure.
Speaker 14: I told somebody else like that definitely changing the dynamic
Speaker 14: because I was more right in the middle of the
Speaker 14: pack with everyone else, and Lucas, you know, obviously had
Speaker 14: all the ships because I was like almost I wasn't
Speaker 14: saying I was I won't say it was competing with him,
Speaker 14: but like I was up to maybe almost one hundred
Speaker 14: mil and he had like one forty.
Speaker 9: So like we were definitely getting there.
Speaker 14: But then once I, me and Greg had the same
Speaker 14: stacks again, it was like just anybody's game. So it's
Speaker 14: kind of the way it is now. I mean, Lucas
Speaker 14: has a bunch, but there's so many stacks that are
Speaker 14: just right there, one or two bots. If somebody doubles
Speaker 14: through Lucas, they're gonna be like right there. So it's
Speaker 14: really wide open still and anything can happen.
Speaker 9: So I guess we'll.
Speaker 1: Say you play all a lot of intense poker to
Speaker 1: get to this point. It's very hard, it's very grueling,
Speaker 1: it's taxing on you. What do you got in store
Speaker 1: for these next couple of weeks before the final table?
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm gonna sit on the couch and watch
Speaker 14: a lot of TV for at least twenty four hours,
Speaker 14: but I don't know.
Speaker 9: It's two weeks or so. It's it's a slightly awkward
Speaker 9: amount of time.
Speaker 14: I kind of gonna go home to New Jersey, which is,
Speaker 14: you know, not a short fight, but then I'm gonna
Speaker 14: have to come like right back. So I don't exactly
Speaker 14: know what I'm gonna do yet. But tomorrow's a couch day,
Speaker 14: that's for sure. I think the World Cup is on,
Speaker 14: so I'm just gonna watch that and just see what happens.
Speaker 1: It sounds very workman like, is is I think how
Speaker 1: I would describe, you know, Michael Gagliano, And it's I
Speaker 1: understand I think what he's saying at the beginning when
Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, do you expect to be here?
Speaker 1: Did you ever expect that you would make it here?
Speaker 1: And he was kind of like, well, I have to
Speaker 1: say yes that that, or sorry, I have to say
Speaker 1: no that. I would have never expected it. But in
Speaker 1: a way, I think when you are in the game
Speaker 1: for so long and you're playing specifically your specialty is
Speaker 1: nolam at Holdham tournaments, and the volume that Michael Gagliano
Speaker 1: puts in, and probably how confident he is in himself
Speaker 1: at the table, you you probably think that the dream
Speaker 1: is a little bit more of a possible reality just
Speaker 1: given the shots at it that you give yourself, right
Speaker 1: Versus if you're just a person who comes out and plays,
Speaker 1: you know, one or two tournaments here and there, maybe
Speaker 1: you ultimately don't think that that reality could ever really
Speaker 1: become true just because you're not firing at it all
Speaker 1: the time. But you know, Gags, I think is just
Speaker 1: confident in himself that he thought, you know, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I can do this, Like I can make this happen
Speaker 1: eventually in my career. And here he is twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: He's at the FSB Main Event final table. Rounding out
Speaker 1: the final nine. We got Mario Boos out of France
Speaker 1: forty four million for him twenty nine big lines. Lori
Speaker 1: Sasclatti out of Finland thirty seven point five. I have
Speaker 1: a million, that's twenty five big blinds. Han feg bagged
Speaker 1: twenty five million, seventeen big blinds, and then Eva Gorris
Speaker 1: Eva Goru out of Cyprus twenty two and a half million,
Speaker 1: fifteen big blinds. So it's very interesting how the stacks
Speaker 1: shape out here because you got a giant chip leader
Speaker 1: in Lucas Jumalan. Now I did think it was a
Speaker 1: little bit interesting because I was I was watching kind
Speaker 1: of where the crowd was while I was while there
Speaker 1: was ten handed at the one table, and you could
Speaker 1: see the play and the stats were up on the
Speaker 1: screen that all the viewers could could see their inside
Speaker 1: Paris by the stage, and it didn't seem like Jumalan
Speaker 1: at this point was being too aggressive with ten players left.
Speaker 1: I thought he would have been a little bit more aggressive,
Speaker 1: just because there were some very short stacks, namely Malcolm Trainer.
Speaker 1: But then also, you know, Fang was relatively short, Eva
Speaker 1: Gouru short, you know, or at least Fang was shorter
Speaker 1: once Boost doubled through him. But I thought with that
Speaker 1: chip lead and being the younger aggressive player that Jumalan
Speaker 1: was he might have opened a little bit more and
Speaker 1: tried to take advantage of the spot. I did see
Speaker 1: one kind of probably half joking tweet that said he
Speaker 1: should have folded to trainer's shove just to keep him
Speaker 1: around longer so that he could continue to chip up more.
Speaker 1: But I mean, whatever, you're you're locking up a two
Speaker 1: hundred fifty k pag jump, You're getting this thing to
Speaker 1: the fontine when you've got a giant chiplead. So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was all that serious in this spot,
Speaker 1: but it will be interesting come August when they return.
Speaker 1: You know what the approach is for Jumlan And I
Speaker 1: think we'll get a sense of that pretty early on,
Speaker 1: Like is he just going to come in kind of
Speaker 1: right away, just laying the hammer down, Like let's say,
Speaker 1: you know, within the first one to two hands Romi
Speaker 1: Hamood decides to open. Is Jumalan just going to decide
Speaker 1: to come with a three bet and see if he
Speaker 1: can be like no, like, listen, I'm the chip leader,
Speaker 1: I'm the table captain. Okay, Like that's how this is
Speaker 1: going to work out. But we'll see, right and a
Speaker 1: lot of these stacks, you know, I know, Rami Hamud
Speaker 1: is kind of he separated himself enough from the pack
Speaker 1: that he can kind of chill out a little bit
Speaker 1: there in second place. But then Chevelle Mueller, Gagliano, Mario Boos, Sascolatti,
Speaker 1: they're all between twenty five and thirty seven big lines,
Speaker 1: so they're really gonna be like just kind of locked
Speaker 1: in the ICM jail cell while we see what happens
Speaker 1: with Han Feng and Eva gors Eva Goru, who are
Speaker 1: sub twenty right, So it's going to be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see how it all shakes out come August. The
Speaker 1: final nine, as I mentioned, are guaranteed one million dollars.
Speaker 1: The pay jump is two hundred and fifty K up
Speaker 1: to eighth, two hundred and fifty K up to seven,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty K up to sixth, and then
Speaker 1: we go five hundred K up to fifth place, fifth
Speaker 1: place getting two point twenty five million. Then we go
Speaker 1: another five hundred K up to two point seven five
Speaker 1: million for fourth place, Then we jump a million up
Speaker 1: to third place three point seven five million. We jump
Speaker 1: from third to second at least, you know, the biggest
Speaker 1: so far, up to six million dollars for second place,
Speaker 1: and then of course the biggest jump of them all
Speaker 1: four million dollars from second to first place of ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. And that's it. That's the pot, and that's
Speaker 1: the WSIP Main Event Final Table.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys had as much fun as I
Speaker 1: did following this tournament. This is the best tournament in
Speaker 1: the world. I think it's truly incredible. I absolutely love
Speaker 1: it every single year. The final table, I think is
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty electric. I know we can kind of
Speaker 1: look back at the start of day eight and we
Speaker 1: can say, oh, we missed out on Todd Brunson. Oh
Speaker 1: we don't have Brock Wilson. Oh the twenty nineteen champ,
Speaker 1: that story with hosting Ensign, we lost that. We didn't
Speaker 1: get arguably the greatest WICIP player in the world right now,
Speaker 1: Sean Deep. We don't get him either. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's okay. I think it's okay. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think it's okay is because
Speaker 1: so much of the Final table at Atmosphere has to
Speaker 1: do with the rails that are there and the excitement
Speaker 1: that they bring to it all. We know what Lucas
Speaker 1: Jumlan's rail is going to be They've they've been strong
Speaker 1: for the past day and a half, two days, right.
Speaker 1: We have a good idea of Greg Mueller's rail that's
Speaker 1: going to be showing up in August. The French rail
Speaker 1: for Mario Boose was very very strong.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get a lot of these other rails.
Speaker 1: The han Fang rail, you know, I think that that
Speaker 1: one can be quite nice also, So the louder these
Speaker 1: rails are, the more fun that atmosphere is going to be.
Speaker 1: And ultimately, this is poker's biggest stage. These guys are
Speaker 1: playing for millions of dollars, ten million dollars up top,
Speaker 1: so it's it's gonna be electric no matter what, and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it all play out. I
Speaker 1: believe the plan is August third on ESPN two and
Speaker 1: then August fourth and fifth on ESPN, So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have some episodes between now and then that
Speaker 1: going to be getting released. Hopefully that helps build the
Speaker 1: buzz for this final table. Over the interim between now
Speaker 1: and August third, I know I'm gonna be buckling down,
Speaker 1: probably grabbing some popcorn, sitting on my couch and watching
Speaker 1: the entire coverage from start to finish. You know, that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I love to do every single year.
Speaker 1: I thought the coverage was, you know, pretty attractive this
Speaker 1: year in terms of getting us sucked in. I just
Speaker 1: didn't get to watch a lot of it because I
Speaker 1: was there trying to do the whole working thing, also
Speaker 1: playing in the event myself.
Speaker 6: All of that.
Speaker 1: I did watch the last couple of days as being
Speaker 1: at home sick, and I can't go back. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to go back and watch the whole thing start
Speaker 1: to finish. That's what I'm gonna be doing with my time.
Speaker 1: I would encourage you guys to do the same, and
Speaker 1: then we'll see you on August third for the Final Table.
Speaker 1: Day one of the Final Table. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a fun one. So that's it. That's the pod for
Speaker 1: producer Rich. My name is Donnie Peters. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: as always, guys. We'll probably we have a few more
Speaker 1: pods coming up in these next couple of days because
Speaker 1: the DOUBSIP is still going on. So while we are
Speaker 1: wrapping UPSIP main event coverage, maybe we'll hit on some
Speaker 1: things here or there. As it pertains. This event, we'll
Speaker 1: be coming with some stuff in the future as well,
Speaker 1: probably the next two days for sure as we wrap
Speaker 1: things up, and then we'll see what we cook up
Speaker 1: in the few weeks off leading up to August. It's
Speaker 1: been a pleasure, guys. I will talk to you guys
Speaker 1: next time.
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