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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to Fight Time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend now here is your host TJ. Leaves. All right,

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believe it or not, we are winding down the month

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of March. Really the the biggest fights for the month

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of March here towards the end of the month coming

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up in Las Vegas. Also, heavyweight phenom Moses Etama is

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back in England and we're ready to cover all that's

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happening there. Plus we go down under Tim Zoo back

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on the pod, who we've had on before. Zoo is

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going to be in action, not this weekend, but next

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weekend April fourth, US time, April fifth, Sunday Australian time.

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He's here not only to talk about his upcoming opponent,

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but the belief of whom he's fighting next, including the

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name Errol Spence. You'll hear from Tim Zoo in his

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own words. We got fight news and much more. It

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is the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast. Welcome back in

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on the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. Hello, Dan Rayfield,

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who's going about eighteen different directions right now? I did

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not even cover before I hit the record button with you,

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My twins and wife have already done spring break that

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has already happened. Is Young Rayfael on spring break?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Is it next week? How soon is it? Because we

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we have like millions coming to Florida right now on

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spring break as we speak for the month of March.

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So I'm just curious, are we spring breaking in Northern

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Virginia yet or when does that?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we will be spring breaking in Northern Virginia. We

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have a half day of school on Friday because it's

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the end of the quarter, and then next week we'll

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be spring.

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Speaker 1: Next week is spring break. So we're covering all of this,

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and there's a bunch of people traveling every which direction

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in certain airports in certain places. Bring your patients with

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how long the insanity has taken?

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Speaker 3: Well that I don't have to see the inside of

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an airport at least for this is true.

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Speaker 1: From what we've been watching. Although I am flying next

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week for the basketball final four, the men's Final Four

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to Indianapolis, and hopefully some of this well, And you've

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got your Duke Blue Devils coming up on Friday night

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playing in Washington, d C. On top of everything else

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that you're sharing with me off the air, Before I

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hit the record button. How are you not at what

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is that now? The Verizon Center? What is the Capital

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One Arena? What is what do they call that thing now?

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The Downtown Wizards, Capital's Hockey Wizards Basketball Arena? Because your

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boys are in town playing Rick Patino, Oh, by the way,

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and Saint John's. For those of you worldwide that don't

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get into the college basketball, you're missing out. For those

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of you in North America, for those of you in

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America America, you know what we're talking about. It is

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Duke and Saint John's Friday Night, and I'm just criticizing

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you before we ever begin the pod. How are you

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not there for that on Friday night?

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Speaker 3: The reason you can't criticize it because, as a man

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who has been married for a very long time, you

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tell me the situation. Okay, honey, I'd like to go

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to the basketball game on Friday night, which happens to

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be at our wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: Next question?

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Speaker 1: So, under the category of do I want to stay

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out of divorce, Court Rayfield makes the wise move that

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you will honor the anniversary and the anniversary dinner on

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top of this, and what number is this that she

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has put up with you. By the way, before we

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launch into the pod, how many.

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Speaker 3: Years well as far as married officially, it'll be twenty

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two twenty together for you congratulate together thirty.

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Speaker 1: Those that had the under sadly mistaken kudos to Missus Rayfield.

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We say this from time to time. All Right, Missus

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Reeves and I about to celebrate number three zero thirty

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thirtieth anniversary. Our wives are both named Jennifer. You can

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look at that crazy Yeah, who knew?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Happy anniversary to Jennifer Rayfield. Happy anniversary in another about

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six weeks to Jennifer Reeves. They have put up with

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this with us a long time for a lot of

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different reasons. And you're right now confess and then we're

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gonna move on. You're going to anniversary dinner and the

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Duke game is the early game. Are you allowed to

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peek at the phone?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of course video. Are you just gonna DVR and come

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in cold after the anniversary dinner and then watch the

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Speaker 1: Because Missus Rayfield don't care about Duke Saint John's. She's

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got much more going on, but you do. But anyway,

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there you go with the hoops and everything that's happening.

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I keep saying this after I was there on Sunday night,

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after we did the weekend pod and Iowa upset the

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Florida Gators. What time does the Gator game begin in Houston?

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For all of my Gator friends that are around me

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in Tampa Bay and that I know every which direction,

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be a new champion this year. Maybe it'll be Due,

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maybe it'll be Arizona, maybe it'll be Michigan. I don't know.

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That's the college hoops. Let's get to the boxing. Thank

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you for finding us Apple Spreakers, Spotify on the pod feed.

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More and more, more and more of you have been

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finding us rat us and review us. That helps out

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as well on the pod feeds. Five star rating and

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review goes a long way. So before we get to

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tim Zoo a little bit, let's get in the preview mode.

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It is here, it is fight week, it is in

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Las Vegas. It is for the WBC Junior Middleweight Championship.

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A delayed fight after an injury to Sebastian Fundora's hand

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last fall pushed this back to March to this weekend

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as he meets former Unified welterweight champion Keith Thurman, who's

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from my area here. I would love to tell you

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that this is getting some local notoriety, but really, Raphael,

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right now, it has not reached the radar. With the

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start of the baseball season for the Tampa Bay Rays,

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the Tampa Bay Lightning hockey team doing very well, and

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they're back playing off the Olympic break. We had the

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Gators here for the March Madness. This is not really

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on the radar in the local market per se. But

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that doesn't mean for what we do with fight fans

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if they don't know the name Keith Thurman and one

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time is ready to take on Fondorra, so get his

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rolling with thoughts here is the fight is about to happen.

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Speaker 3: I happen to like this fight. I think it's going

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to be an entertaining fight. I don't see a way

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it wouldn't be entertaining, you know how, whether it's a

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knockout or ghost twelve rounds. Because Keith Thurman has always

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delivered entertaining fights throughout his entire career. Fundorra sort of

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the same thing. And I know a lot of people

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have covered that at nauseam. He is thirty six year old.

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and for the inactivity has been the leo has been

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the injuries, not because of a disinterest in fighting or

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any other particular issues, and not tied up with management

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problems or promoter proms. He's had. He's had physical issues. Uh,

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they seem to have been overcome at least for now, thankfully.

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three year layoff, where he fought in March of this year,

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so it's not as though I'm sorry March of last year.

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the way it's gone from over the last several years.

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a third round knocket against Brock Jarvis. Okay, not a

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great fighter, but a guy that only had the one loss.

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rhythm and then he took it to him and looks

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pretty sharp now. When they were doing that match, it

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was all about that was supposedly to set up him

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to fight Tim Zou, and Tim was commentating on the

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fight and for whatever reason, and he talked about it

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in uh in our interview that we had that's on

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the previous podcast where he ended up taking the rematch

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Tim Zoo did with Fondora, and so Tim Wash went

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forward for that fight and that left sort of Keith

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looking for some thing else. Obviously, you know, Tim Zu

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got knocked out by Fundor, which we talked about on

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the interview here coming up on the show. But Thurman

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was bummed out about it, but he got himself, frankly,

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a better opportunity because now he's got a fight against

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Fundor where he has a chance to become a two

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division world champion. Of course, he was a long raining

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unify champion at at welterweight and fought you know, pretty

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much all the top guys of his time, you know,

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for whatever reason. PVC didn't make the fight him and Spence,

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but he fought plenty of other quality guys of his time.

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about a decade. And we're gonna see what Thurman's got

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left now. One thing, if you're on the Thurman bandwagon,

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a couple of things. One he lets his hands go. Two,

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in twenty nineteen, a fight that you know, he got

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dropped in the first round and then you know, ended

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even though they called it us but decision. He's won

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the Brock Jarvis fight at Reference. And he'll come to

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fight and he you know, and all you can do

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only because the age is one thing, but and the injuries.

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Obviously I have affinity for him because he's in my area,

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he's a likable guy, et cetera. But I am sitting

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what he did a year ago with Brock Jarvis, and

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Speaker 1: He's thirty seven. He's been largely inactive. He certainly has

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the twenty tens. I'm not picking on you, but I

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don't know. I don't know what we're getting on Saturday night,

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how he solves that. So go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sit here telling you that he's

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mismatch that some people portray.

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that's all that's true. He hasn't fought for a year,

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and obviously before that he had you know, the long

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five and a half for a guy that's not only

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does he make one fifty four, but if you ask

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him or his team, his dad, his promoter, Samson Lukewitz,

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any of the people around him, they'll tell you he

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doesn't particularly struggle. They even, like half joking half series

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talk about for the right circumstances going down to one

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forty seven, which is absolutely crazy. Yeah, yeah, but he

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makes the weight, to my knowledge, never really had any

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major issues. Hasn't like even had a kut on the

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scale and walk away to try to lose an extra

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couple of ounces because he was slightly over on the

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first try. I mean, he comes in good condition, but

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he has shown some vulnerabilities. He did get knocked out

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in a massive fashion against Brian Mendoza in twenty twenty three.

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Was a not got of dear contender in the seventh round.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you'll hear that name again here in

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a few minutes. Oh, yes, he's on the undercard, Yes, sir,

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and Mendoza caught clipping with the big right hand.

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Speaker 3: And and what's's best punch.

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Speaker 1: One time's got a right hand.

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Speaker 3: There's yes. So even though we've talked about Keith's situation,

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we know where Fundor is. I think it's fair a

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lot of people would look at at Fundor and say

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he's the number one fighter in the weight class at

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one fifty four. Since that knockout loss that we just

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talked about against Mendoza, he has won three fights in

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a row. He had the blood bath split decision against

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Tim Zu Uh because mainly, you know, that was a

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blood bath because that terrible accidental elbow that opened up

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that tremendous gash on Tim Zu's uh, you know, his

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forehead scalp area that just bled the entire fight. But

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that was a close even with the blood, it was

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still to split. You know, it was very very close fight.

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And I think most people looked at that fight and

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saw before the cut happened in the second round, that

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that or at the end of the third run. I

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forget it was early that Tim was totally dominating. Okay,

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but Fondora wins the fight Farren Square. He comes back,

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he takes a fight against Cordel Booker, you know, a

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second tier type opponent, blasts him out in the fourth round.

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And then in July of twenty twenty five, he looked

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really good in the rematch against tim Zuo. Now some

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people would chalk it up to say tim Zuo was

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not what he once was, and he's taken a lot

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of you know, punishment. He had the terrible gash and

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loss to Fondor. In the first fight, he got knocked

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out badly by Mirtazalev, and to the fights he won

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besides that war against pretty much nobody's but nonetheless, Fondora

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made him quit on the stool after the seventh round

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and he got the victory. And here he comes back

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in the ring for this fight against Sermann. So, look,

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I think this fight can go a lot of waste.

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I'm in number one. I'm intrigued by the action that

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it could possess because of the fact that they both

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possess styles that are very crowd pleasing and fan friendly.

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And two, some people I think are underrating Keith and

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some people might be overrating vondor if they kind of

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get a little closer in where they probably really are,

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it perhaps will be a more competitive fight. So it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Uh, well, there's no doubt and you're gonna you're gonna

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hear from Tim Zoo in his own words in a

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few minutes. There's no doubt. He hurt Fundora at the

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beginning of their first fight, before the gash on the scalp.

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He heard him. I think in the first round of

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that fight at least stunned him, and there were a

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couple of occasions where he caught Fundora in the rematch,

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It's just Fundora was better over the longer haul and

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battering him and they finally called the fight off. And

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I again, I think that you simplify it as can

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Keith solve the reach advantage. Does Fundora help him out?

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This has been another criticism we've talked about him by

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staying at too close range, staying in close and not

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using the reach as much of an advantage. And does

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that benefit Thurman if he does. That's another unknown going

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into Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: The thing that he if he if he is going

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to come into him close and try to fight Keith

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on the inside. You know, it would behoove Thurman too

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throw the upper cut. It would behoove him to throw

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some body shots.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, Keith, to my recollection, has never been a

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big body puncher. But there there are there, there are.

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Both guys have their vulnerabilities, uh you know, Fandora, you know,

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whatever the vulnerabilities are. Certainly whatever you think about Thurmany's lot,

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the youth is not can't be under estimates a ten

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years younger approximately.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Fandora is also a Southpaw. So there's there's a lot

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of uh like it's one of those fights tjs. Like

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I said before, there's there's a lot of things that

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both guys have that are positive. But there's also reasons

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to think that the other guy, uh you know, can

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maybe work his way in there and do some good

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things in it. So we'll have to wait and see

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how it plays out. I mean, uh, you know, I've

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seen a whole litany of people predictions. I haven't seen

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people saying, like, you know, Thurman's gonna knock him out,

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but a lot of people say that Thurman can win

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a decision, that Fondora can certainly outbox Keith one thing

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I know is this, it's good to see Keith Thurman

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back healthy and in a big time fight. I'm happy

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about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's a great he's a great interview, he's

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a great quote. He certainly hyped it up. We heard

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him here on the podh et cetera. And he's already

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been doing a little bit of media leading into this

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weekend in the press conference and build it up.

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Speaker 3: He's done more of the media than than Fondora's.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's walking for everybody exactly, but.

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Speaker 3: In many respects. No knock on Fondora, but Thurman's essentially

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the A side because of his positioning with all the

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interviews and way more than Fondora is doing. I mean,

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and Fandora is a good guy and everything. You never know,

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no issues whatsoever. He just if you're if you're on

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my side of things and doing interviews and trying to

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talk to the guy, you could ask him the greatest

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question in the world.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't give you anything, not a lot, not always.

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But then again, maybe they like that. They seemingly like

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that just go in and let the other guy do

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all the talking.

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Speaker 3: Is like Bernard Hopkins Junior in that respect, and talk

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there we go.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: So that's the main event of the PBC Prime pay

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per view in Vegas. The undercard I will dub as

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pretty good with the names I mentioned. Mendoza, the veteran

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in with Joenna's Taez and Tayas, has recently taken a

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loss in his pass so this is there's some intrigue

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here in the in one of the fights on this undercard.

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So go over the undercard real quick for Saturday.

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Speaker 3: So I like to refer to the TAAs Mendoza fight

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which was made on so much short notice because to remember,

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the original co feature on this event was supposed to

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be the IBF heavyweight eliminator between Richard Torres and Frank Sanchez.

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Sanchez has a knee problem, so that fight was shelved

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and will take place presumably later in the year. So

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they had Teaz, who was training for a smaller fight

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on a box lab card, who has worked with Pbcuh,

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they put him into this fight against Mendoza. It is

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the battle of the former junior middleweight interim title holders.

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Taz I have viewed as an outstanding prospect for a while.

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He did win that intern belt, he took a loss

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to Abboss Buru in his you know, two fights ago

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where he you know it competed. It was a contender

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for Fight of the Year honors. He got knocked down

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with literally the final punch of the fight in the

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twelfth round and he lost, you know, a pretty clear

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cut decision, but a hell of a fight. He did

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come back in December that that fight, by the way,

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was in August of last year. He did have a

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return fight in a in a December and scored a

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fifth round knockout against the journeyman Kendo Castaneda. And so

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now he goes in this fight with Mendoza, and Mendoza

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he's the guy that's got the one big win against Fandor.

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He knocked him out clean in that in that fight

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back in in in their meeting for the for the

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interim but he won the interim title as it were

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at the time. This was back in twenty twenty three.

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So even though Mendoza is a guy that's got you know,

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four losses, he's never been knocked out. Uh, he's not.

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I don't view him as an old shot guy. He's

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coming off of a win and the losses that he's

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taken have been to like you know in recent years

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pretty good guys. He has a decision loss to Jesus Ramos,

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who now holds an interim title in the in the

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middleweight division. He has a decision loss to Tim Zoo

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when Tim was pretty much at his best, and he

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has a decision loss against the Iron Jawed and you know,

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excellent contender, say hey, Boachuk. So losses suck, but they're

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certainly forgivable losses. He lost the back to back fights

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to Zuo and Bochuk following his big victory against Fondora.

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But he makes good fights and he's a credible guy,

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and you know him and Teaz are going to do

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this fight. It's not an official eliminator, it's not for

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a title or anything like that, but what it does

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is that lines the guy who wins is going to

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get a pretty significant win within what many consider the

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best weight class in boxing, and one hundred percent, the

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guy that comes out of this fight is in a

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great position to fight for a title against any of

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the guys that are willing to give him the shot.

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So that you know, I view those types of fights

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as like a de facto eliminator. You don't need a

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sanctioning body to say, so it's just a matter of

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who comes out on top. So that is the new

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co feature in this and on this card and then

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further down the show. One of my favorite prospects in boxing.

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I think he's absolutely phenomenal. I think he's been dramatically

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under publicized and kind of not that well known to

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the public. But if you get a load of it,

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take a look at the guy, he's got a chance

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to be something special. And that's the Cuban middleweight Ley

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Hernandez talk about the middleweight division a thousand times about

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how shitty it is. You Emily Hernandez can can bring

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some life into it. In my opinion. He's taken on

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the well traveled Olympian and former title challenger Terrell Gachet,

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who's losses have typically been against the best guys. And

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and the thing about Gashay, you know he's got five

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losses but never been stopped and fought. You know, several

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good opponents, Elijah Garcia, Carlos a Damas, you know who

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currently has one of the middleweight titles.

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Speaker 1: Tim Zo, We're gonna do It's like this, like six

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degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon, except it's six degrees

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of separation of Tim Zuo, who we're gonna hear from

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in a little bit. He thought not only fought him,

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but he dropped Zoo early in that in that fight

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as a veteran.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he also has lost, you know, he he

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loses to the very best guys ericson lubin back several

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years ago against against like you said, against Tim Zoo.

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He had a fight in a junior middleweight title bout

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against Arislandi Laara. He has a draw against the former

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title older Austin Trout. I mean, he's fought good opponents.

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So for a guy like jo Emily Hernandez uh and

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you know, unfortunately this usually doesn't make very good fights.

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So I think the onus is gonna be on Hernandus

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to be aggressive and go forward if he wants to

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make it any kind of interesting fight. He's only nine

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to zero with eight knockouts. Uh And he's already twenty

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eight years old. But he was on the you know,

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he was a top notch Cuban amateur. He had won

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a world amateur championship. Does not, like I said, doesn't

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get a ton of hype, But I've watched him fight

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a few times, and he is explosive and very interesting

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and strong, and because the middleweight division is so shitty,

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he has a chance to, like at least in a

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short order, you know, make himself into like one of

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the top contenders. And you know, if he can go

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and I expect him to beat Gachet, that's not to me,

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it's not a matter of do you beat the guy?

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To me, it's can you put some hurt on Gichet?

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Can you maybe drop him and you maybe stop him?

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Then I'll be even more excited because that's what you

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want to see. We already know that Gachet he can

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00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,079
be beaten by the better guys. To me, it's now

474
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,920
it's not can you beat the guy, because you're supposed

475
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,720
to beat the guy, it's can you do so and

476
00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:54,160
have people remember, oh shit, did you see what he

477
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,680
did to Gichet? That's what this fight's about in my opinion.

478
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,720
So we'll see what what you only can do in that.

479
00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:02,039
But he's a very outstanding up and coming fighter. You know,

480
00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:04,119
I think he's got a chance to be a really

481
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,559
top option mid away. And then the opening fight on

482
00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:09,359
this pay per view, because they lost the heavyweight fight

483
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,880
because of the injury to Sanchez, they still wanted to

484
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,279
put a heavyweight fight on there because, as you know,

485
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,519
you talk to like Tom Brown from TGB or any

486
00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:19,359
of the PBC people, people like heavyweights. You know, they

487
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,680
always ask you, like, there are any heavyweights on the show. Well,

488
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,079
they have Joe Goosen trained heavyweight from Armenia, another guy

489
00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:29,920
who's nine to zero with with all knockouts, eight knockouts

490
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,200
out of his nine ones, I should say, a big

491
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,039
strong guy named Gergan Jovanissian, an Armenian living in la

492
00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:37,920
and you know he brings the big punch, and they

493
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,279
put him in with Caesar Navarro, a tough Mexican fighter,

494
00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:42,680
and you know, from that perspective, the idea here is

495
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,359
that can you can you can you build a build,

496
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,880
continue to build up oven Issian and can they make

497
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200
a fun firefight to kick off the pay per view.

498
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,519
Hopefully they'll do that and we'll see the big guys

499
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,519
go out there. Now Navarrow he's never been stopped before,

500
00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:58,359
so that's something. He's fifteen and three, he's got thirteen knockouts,

501
00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:01,000
only twenty six years old from Mexico, so not an

502
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,920
old shot guy. Now, it doesn't have a big resume

503
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,279
does have a ten round decision loss that Denny or

504
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,920
Pepero the Cuban who is being brought along that people

505
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:08,759
have some eye hopes for.

506
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: We'll see, well, we got the big fellas also on

507
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,440
this card for Saturday night.

508
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: We have too many heavyweight fights on a pay per view.

509
00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: We love that again PBC on Prime pay per view

510
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,799
for that one. Earlier in the day, speaking of heavyweights

511
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,799
in the Segway Manchester, England and the Queensbury main event

512
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,799
on his own, what is it the Magnificent seven? What

513
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,519
is he calling it? If it's so magnificent though that

514
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,119
how come I don't know who most of the other

515
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:41,640
fighters are.

516
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: I don't know how because it's largely supposed to be

517
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,960
about the British titles and the British Times.

518
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,559
Speaker 1: Okay, but the biggest name that we know is Moses

519
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:53,359
Etama is back, the rising phenom unbeaten heavyweight who will

520
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,400
now step in and fight American Jermaine Franklin in a

521
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,200
ten round main event. This fight, also, like the Zoo

522
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,880
Thurman fight, derailed by an injury to Etama back last fall,

523
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400
put back on the schedule now for March and it

524
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,240
comes up on the same weekend as fun Dora and

525
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:12,839
Thurman here in the United States, So this one in Manchester.

526
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,799
Speaker 3: I think this was supposed to be in January, and

527
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:15,400
it got to be.

528
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,519
Speaker 1: January, all right, so it's been delayed. But Etama obviously

529
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:23,799
has the momentum. I say has momentum, but he's only

530
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,799
been in the ring for part of one round since

531
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,200
last August when he fought Dillion White in August and

532
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,920
fought part of one round. Clearly he is in position

533
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960
for a title shot down the road, and I guess

534
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,440
the obvious question is how much of a threat, how

535
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,759
much of an obstacle is Jermaine Franklin in your mind

536
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:45,319
for this matchup Saturday afternoon.

537
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,599
Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpacked with the tom in my opinion.

538
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,400
First of all, thirteen and oher with eleven knockouts, only

539
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240
twenty one years old. Just spend five seconds watching and

540
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,160
you'll understand why people are excited about him. So that's

541
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,480
the first thing. He's a southball with huge power and

542
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,000
the youth, and he's already got like a growing fan base.

543
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,400
He checks a lot of boxes here and people want

544
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960
to proclaim him to be a heavyweight contender. I did

545
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,519
pick him at the end of two thousand and twenty five,

546
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,200
or as at the end of twenty twenty four as

547
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:14,440
my prospect of the year. At the end of twenty

548
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,279
twenty five, I picked Emiliano Vargas the top ranks. Junior

549
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,440
Walterway most of the time is a tremendous up and comer.

550
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,920
I have a hard time looking him at as a contender, though,

551
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,359
and that's not I'm not saying that with any kind

552
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,960
of negativity. The guy's thirteen to er. He's only got

553
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,079
twenty six professional rounds, so you know, I'm not a mathematician,

554
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,880
but that tells me he's averaging two rounds of fight.

555
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: And if we go back, we both have the public

556
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240
school education. You came up with that very good.

557
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: No, exactly, thank you. If you go back and look, though,

558
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,640
what skews that particular number is in his third and

559
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,240
fourth fight, he scored six round decisions. So he's got

560
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,400
twenty six pro rounds, but twelve of them were in

561
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,079
two fights, So he was knocking everybody out in literally

562
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,119
the first round or the second round for every single

563
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,680
one of the rest of his fights. Now he's coming

564
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,160
off of an August fight of this past summer where

565
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,799
he scored a devastating one round knockout against Dillian White.

566
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,599
You're like, oh, Dylan White, he was a top name

567
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,839
and a good contender, fought for the title and all that.

568
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,279
But Dylan White was completely washed. I mean, that's such

569
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,240
a secret and the thing. And I don't really quite

570
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,079
understand this. Why a guy like Moses who was young

571
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,599
and you know, in shape and wasn't I don't remember

572
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,079
there being serious injuries or anything along those lives. And

573
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,400
he only had two fights in twenty twenty four, one

574
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,279
against Dylan White that was in August, one against Mike Balligan,

575
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,359
which was in in May. He's, you know, a journeyman

576
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,599
type opponent, so the activity to me is paramount. So

577
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,119
now he steps in with Jermaine Franklin to me and

578
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,599
I don't know what anybody, and he has the win

579
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,160
against Demse McKean that was a first rounder that you know,

580
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,880
had gone twelve rounds or into the later rounds eleventh

581
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,400
or twelfth round with Philip Pergovic a few years ago.

582
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:52,920
For me, this is the first quote unquote real fight

583
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,880
of Moses thomas career. Not because I think Jermaine Franklin's

584
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,640
gonna beat him. Okay, let's not get carried away. But

585
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,799
because Jermaine Franklin is a is a, he's a known commodity.

586
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,279
He's not old, he's not shot, he's got a good chin.

587
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,599
He has been in the ring with a lot of

588
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,599
good opponents. And I think the matchmakers here that worked

589
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,279
with Queensbury and that worked with Moses, they did the

590
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,839
right thing here. The idea is to get him the

591
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,799
desperately needed rounds that the young man needs. So he

592
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,119
takes on Franklin. He's thirty two years old, he's from Saginaw, Michigan.

593
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,920
At one time considered a top American up and comer.

594
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,079
Hasn't quite you know, lived up to that billing. But

595
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,119
he's twenty four and two with fifteen knockouts, very reputable, credible,

596
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,319
solid professional heavyweight, even if you don't think he's gonna

597
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,400
be heavyweight champ of the world. And what he hangs

598
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,920
his hat on is that in twenty twenty two and

599
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,640
then the next fight in early twenty twenty three, he

600
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,000
got a twelve round majority decision loss against Dylan White

601
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640
when Dylan was not washed. And then in his next

602
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,839
fight he gave a solid account of himself and lost

603
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:54,720
a unanimous decision to Anthony Joshua. He has won three

604
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,759
fights in a rows instent. The idea here, obviously, particularly

605
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,400
if you're on the on the British side of the

606
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,079
pond and you're you know, you're into the the British scene,

607
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,759
the comparisons are going to be made. Can mosesy Tama

608
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,119
do better? Which means a stoppage against Jermaine Franklin, then

609
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
we saw against Dylan White Anthony Joshua, two of the

610
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,680
best known uh you know, biggest punchers of of recent

611
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,960
heavyweight vintage in Britain. That's what this is all about.

612
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,720
So if if he can go in the ring and

613
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,160
get the win and get the knockout, that will be

614
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:26,720
checking the boxes that people would like to see him check.

615
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,400
You get the experience against equality, you know, pro you

616
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960
get the opportunity to get the knockout against the guy

617
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
that's never been stopped and has decisions against you know,

618
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,960
top names like White and Joshua, and I think that

619
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
would be the greatest hope they can have and to

620
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,640
get in some round, get into the second half of

621
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:43,960
the fight.

622
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,279
Speaker 1: While you're saying it is, I think we will be

623
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,039
more convinced or of the attitude. Now we may have

624
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,039
something now if we see this now we may have

625
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,079
been certainly in England it's revvd up that we may

626
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,720
have something. But I think we'll be more convinced we

627
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,200
may have something if we see it.

628
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,359
Speaker 3: The thing in that flight Moses right now is most

629
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,119
of our thoughts and expectations, and I say us, I

630
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,480
mean the public and the media at large, is the

631
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,000
spectacular nature of what he's done, even if it hasn't

632
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,799
been against anybody, very good, and the eye test, but

633
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,880
now you got to get past that. At some point.

634
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
The eye test is great, watch him square, you know,

635
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,200
knockouts against nobody's is one thing. I mean, we saw

636
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,279
that like with the rise of Mike Tyson years ago. Yes,

637
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,640
So at some point, though, you've got to do something

638
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,240
that's more substance than style, and a victory, especially a

639
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,880
knockout victory against Jermaine Frankin, would be the first thing

640
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,279
of substance that anytime it will have done.

641
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Let me share it this way, because you and I

642
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,640
are nostalgic all the time. When Tyson was on the

643
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,119
rise with all the crazy KOs, he then had a

644
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,640
couple of fights on the on the legendary ABC's Wide

645
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,319
World of Sports. You know where I'm going with this,

646
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,119
where he fought a couple of guys in the veteran

647
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,759
James Quick till Us. I still remember this, remember watching

648
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,440
it and if I'm not mistaken, Troy, New York, right

649
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,960
near where you grew up and all of that, and okay,

650
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,000
so and that fight was a distance fight, if I'm

651
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,599
not mistaken, and it was a test. And he also

652
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,759
fought another veteran in Jesse Ferguson. I remember that name,

653
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:14,960
and it took off.

654
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,799
Speaker 3: That was that was the fight where he tried that

655
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,119
was that the one we wanted to drive his nose.

656
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,559
Speaker 1: Nose, his brain busted him up. But it took a

657
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,400
few rounds. It was not over like the Marvius Fraser

658
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,519
third second destruction. Yes, so there were rounds and you

659
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,720
got work in and he fought a veteran and he

660
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,119
fought a real guy, and you found some things out.

661
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,160
And I don't know to what extent Jermaine Franklin can

662
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,599
do that with Moses the Tama. I'm just drawing a

663
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,359
comparison that if you want to go back forty years

664
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,920
to nineteen eighty five, eighty six ish. That's what we

665
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000
saw from Tyson. But I'm also with you, we need

666
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,880
to see more activity. I was preaching this last fall

667
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,880
that it was stupid, stupid off the half a round

668
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,920
that he fought with Dillian White. Get him back in

669
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,640
the ring like Toba or November, and they can't this hard.

670
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: And I'm not making excuses, but I'm just telling you

671
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,240
what factually was the case. He would have been but

672
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:12,640
because of the WBA title situation, he was in a

673
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720
position to possibly be fighting for the regular title. Remember

674
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,960
there was a lawsuit with you know that surrounded Kubrahpulev

675
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,200
and fight with Mara Gassiev in all the nonsense. So

676
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160
they couldn't put him in then because he would have

677
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680
been otherwise unavailable as a turnout, he didn't get the fight,

678
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:30,240
so he didn't have the fight as.

679
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,559
Speaker 1: Couldn't got hurt.

680
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was a problem. But if you really

681
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,599
think about it, back when Tyson was on the rise

682
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,200
and they were like the same age by the way,

683
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,839
I forget the exact amount of fights, but there was

684
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,799
one point in like nineteen eighty five or eighty four,

685
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240
like as Tyson was on the rise, we fought like

686
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,119
ten times or something like that in a year before he.

687
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: Fought for that and eighty five he absolutely both.

688
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: Times or eleven times whatever it was.

689
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,119
Speaker 1: Yes, there was asking a guy to fight a second

690
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,200
time between August and March, not unheard of, and he

691
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,720
got hurt. Let's see if there's more activity.

692
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:04,759
Speaker 3: It's just a different sport now in that respect.

693
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: Well, but part of it is you get people more

694
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,440
excited by being active on the way up. And this

695
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,599
guy has got some mojo with the knockouts and the

696
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,279
British fans fired up. So let's see if he delivers again.

697
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:19,680
This will be Saturday afternoon.

698
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: Man.

699
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,079
Speaker 3: I I hope that Franklin comes to fight now. I

700
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,279
was at Franklin's last fight, and that was when he

701
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,680
fought on the undercart of Crawford against Canelo in a

702
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,319
fight against Ivan Deitschkow, which was a fucking, horrible, putrid, wretched,

703
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:33,920
fucking fight.

704
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,839
Speaker 1: Did he look slow and shot to you from what

705
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,319
you recall.

706
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,799
Speaker 3: Mainly was because Duischgog refused to fight the guy. But

707
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:41,559
it wasn't like Franklin was doing watch either. But he

708
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,319
did get the close win, uh you know, and it

709
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,960
was what it was. But I'm hopeful that because of

710
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,960
the pressure that Moses may put on him, that'll be

711
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
a better fight. Okay, we'll see if he can learn something.

712
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,960
And you know, the kid can, uh can. And I

713
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,599
don't even think it would be the worst thing in

714
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,160
the world if he had to go to ten rounds

715
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,440
and maybe it's a hard fight or not a hard

716
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640
fight so much speak, but where maybe he doesn't look

717
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,480
great because Franklin, you know, maybe stinks him a little bit.

718
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,519
It stinks them out a little bit. You gotta get

719
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,079
that kind of fight before you step in with the

720
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:09,480
real big boys, all right.

721
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,839
Speaker 1: So we have that coming on Saturday in the UK,

722
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,839
and that leads us to the aforementioned numerous times by

723
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,599
me teeing it up and teasing it Tim Zuo, who

724
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,359
is fighting Dennis Nurgia. That is the ten round main

725
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,119
event that is coming not this weekend but next weekend.

726
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,559
It is actually Saturday night in the US April to

727
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:35,559
fourth Sunday afternoon April fifth in Wollongong, Australia. But before

728
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,440
we get to the fight weekend, Tim Zoo spoke with

729
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,119
our Dan Rayphiel. You've had him on before. Let's go

730
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,759
to that conversation now on this fight, the prospective fight

731
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,200
that he has with Eryl Spence, oh, by the way,

732
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,279
and a lot more. Let's go to that conversation right now.

733
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome back to our podcast

734
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,640
this week. It is the former WBO Juniorman away Champion

735
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,319
of the World, Tim Zoo. Tim, you are here in

736
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,119
the United States training for a fight that you'll have

737
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,039
back home in Australia. I'll tell our listeners what you

738
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,159
and our viewers on YouTube what you've got coming up.

739
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,079
You'll be fighting a ten rounder, You'll be at one

740
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,360
hundred and fifty seven pounds, a little bit over your

741
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,119
normal weight in Wallongong, Australia. In your home country April

742
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,199
fourth in the United States, where we can watch it

743
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:24,000
Saturday night on Prime Video Sunday Easter Sunday, April fifth

744
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,599
in Australia where the fight will take place. So welcome

745
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,800
to the show, and I'm glad to talk to you.

746
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,039
We got a lot to get into, don't we.

747
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, you bet. So.

748
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Your opponent for this particular fight that you've got come

749
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,159
up is going to be Dennis nursa twenty zero fighter.

750
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,800
But the idea here. I think and everybody that's been

751
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,719
following your career sort of understands that you got to

752
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,519
take care of the business. That's always the case when

753
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,079
you have a guy in front of you. But there's

754
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,960
there's big plans potentially after that. But before we get

755
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,000
into all that, I want to I want to I

756
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,960
haven't talked to you since the fight you had last

757
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,880
summer against the Bashion Fundora, your rematch. I don't want

758
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,079
to bring up bad memories, but I got to ask

759
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,639
you about that particular situation he had the rematch, you

760
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,119
challenge him for the WBC Junior Middleway title. You fought

761
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,360
really well against him, in a very close loss in

762
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,280
the first time you met in twenty twenty four. I

763
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,880
think most folks frankly chalked that loss up to the

764
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,719
severe cut that you suffered on your scalp in the

765
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,719
early part of that fight. You were covered with blood.

766
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,840
Still a great fight, still a really close fight. And

767
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,119
then you have the rematch, you know, a little bit later,

768
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:33,760
and it was totally a different situation. He won pretty handily,

769
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
knocked you down in the first round, and in the

770
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,920
end it seemed like you just couldn't handle it, and

771
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,400
you know you and your team you stopped to fight

772
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,800
on this tool after the seventh round. How shocking was

773
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,599
that ending given how how competitive the first fight was.

774
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Sundor came to a relentless

775
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,079
game plan that I wasn't able to adapt that sort

776
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,639
of stuck by it. You know, I was knocked down

777
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,440
in the first round. But yeah, it sort of shoot

778
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:07,639
me for a bit. The next couple of rounds, I

779
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,639
wasn't going to plan and then I started sort of

780
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:15,400
touching him up that watching him back to fight. That

781
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,119
last round that we had, I sort of started hitting him,

782
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,360
started hitting him with big shots, and I could see

783
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,679
he was rocking. He was he I think his nose

784
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,599
was bleeding. But at the end of the round, man,

785
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,599
he got me. When I was in the when I

786
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:33,679
was in the corner, he got me, and I was concussed.

787
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,840
I was concusted and I was I sort of didn't

788
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,400
know where I was. It was the last five seconds

789
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
of the round. I sort of it was just like bomb,

790
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,119
I got hit and I was like, what the hell

791
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,079
is going on? Like I didn't even sit down, I

792
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,800
was I was just I was dazed. I was dazed.

793
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440
And I didn't know. I didn't understand what was happening.

794
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,559
So I sort of when I sat down, my coach

795
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
sort of started talking to me. I wasn't reactive. I

796
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,119
wasn't reacting. I was just yeah, I was just there.

797
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,960
But yeah, I think Thunder came with the wrong game plan.

798
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,480
I came in with the wrong one. I started moving

799
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,320
and I'm not things didn't go according to plan, but look,

800
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,760
we learned from our mistakes. I'm amendo takes on any

801
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,360
challenge that's out there, and we move on and we

802
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,239
get better and we adapt.

803
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,519
Speaker 3: So you did come back after that fight. You went

804
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,639
back home to Australia, where he hadn't fought for a bit.

805
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,760
You scored a shutout decision against Anthony Velaska. As an

806
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,239
American fighter, he was taking a really big step up

807
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,920
in competition. You got in ten very solid rounds and

808
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,800
after that was over with, you know, you got back

809
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,639
on the winning track. In February of this year, myself

810
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,599
and a lot of others reported about the prospect and

811
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,880
the discussions and negotiations and talks. However you want to

812
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,159
describe it between your camp, PBC, TGB Promotions and Aerol

813
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,000
Spence about a possible fight that was being sort of

814
00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:00,159
earmarked for June also in Australia. Spence, of course, is

815
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:05,280
a very big name, former unified wealthweight world champion. When

816
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,920
when when you took the fight with Alaska's was that

817
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,639
in your mind that maybe you would get that big

818
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,280
fight or was it just a matter of I want

819
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,000
to get back in the ring and then we'll see

820
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,800
what happens after that.

821
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,199
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't know. I wasn't aware of anything.

822
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,679
I'll be honest with them. It sort of took me

823
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,840
by surprise because I thought, all right, I changed a

824
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,519
lot of things up in my life and my career.

825
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,400
So I had to come here in Miami now completely

826
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,119
in a different environment than what it was previously, so

827
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,320
I had to For me, it was like the rebuilding stage.

828
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,880
I was like, all right, it's going to take a

829
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,800
bit of time. That's all right, We're going to stay patient.

830
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,719
But I know, I know, I know what I possessed.

831
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,840
I can dog it out. I'm a dog out there sometimes,

832
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,440
but I don't need to show my bravery at times.

833
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,639
I can show my my my i Q and my

834
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,559
intelligence in the ring. So I need to bring that

835
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,840
out and then post five I heard about the news.

836
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,840
The most came to me and talking and I was like,

837
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,519
sounds good, sounds good.

838
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: You like the idea of that fight?

839
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: Of course, of course I'll definitely welcome it. It's definitely

840
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,119
very appealing. Uh Stunistically, it's a very fun fight for

841
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,199
for fans to watch because you don't know which way

842
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,679
could go.

843
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:26,039
Speaker 3: So then makes me think about it like that. So

844
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,079
you you got in the ten rounds against Alasquez, that

845
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,119
was in December. If you win the fight that you

846
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,239
have coming up, the fight against Bence supposedly would be

847
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,719
in the summer Judish timeframe. And so I have to say,

848
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,159
I have seen so many things go wrong when big

849
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:43,679
fights get planned, and certainly a match being tim Zu

850
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,039
and Arrow Spence is a pretty big, pretty big fight.

851
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,719
It seems to me that why why take the gamble

852
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,159
with the with the sort of tune up fight against Lergia.

853
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,119
He's not a champion, it's not a big name. You

854
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,079
never know what can happen when the bell rings, as

855
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,079
you have found out in your own career, And I

856
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,880
wonder to myself, I risk such a big fight with

857
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,119
Errol Spence for no reason when you have been acting.

858
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,639
It's not like you've been off for years and you

859
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,679
need to shake off. For us, if anybody would be

860
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,639
doing that, you think it might be Aerol Spencer has

861
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:12,840
been out of the ring for quite a bit, so

862
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:14,920
why why take this tune up?

863
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,679
Speaker 2: Fight on other things? Really think it's a tune up?

864
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,840
You know, the guy's twenty and no he's not a

865
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,519
he's not a bum out there, so he's a good boxer.

866
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: The point that compared to the caliber name of a

867
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,320
former champion.

868
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, look good question. It's it's what's in me.

869
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,920
You know, I'm in I'm here in Miami doing doing

870
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,559
another training camp with a with Pete Das and new coach.

871
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,639
So we're just getting started with things. We're learning off

872
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:49,599
each other, so I'm able to present something new. And

873
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,559
that's the main thing I feel like with activities where

874
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,920
growth happens. You know, another training camp, when people start resting,

875
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840
that's when you start slacking off. You know, you always

876
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,920
got to be ready. Your body's going to be prepared,

877
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,239
physically prepared at old toms and and and that's what

878
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,800
it is for me.

879
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about wrestling necessarily. I was thinking about

880
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,599
you can still train with the trainer and and get

881
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:12,400
to know each other and and the way that he

882
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,760
does things and likewise him for you without actually taking

883
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,599
the actual fight.

884
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Now, I'll be honest.

885
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,639
Speaker 3: I I looked at that and I'm like, he's taking

886
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,800
a fight before a Spens fight. I said to some

887
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,840
people involved with the negotiations, said, he's crazy. M hmm,

888
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,679
what do you think about it? I mean, many things

889
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,280
go wrong, you know.

890
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, but look, this is this is

891
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,679
what we risk. Man. I've always always present the toughest

892
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,480
challenges out there, So bring it on, man, It's all

893
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:45,039
good for me.

894
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,679
Speaker 3: And I do understand your point though about wanting to

895
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,679
get another training camp under your belt with Pedro. You know,

896
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920
as you guys continue to mesh together. You know, I've

897
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
heard different fighters through the year say sometimes it takes

898
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,800
you know, it takes a few fights to get really

899
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,719
on the same page with the trainer.

900
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, comfortable.

901
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 3: It sounds like things are going well with you and Pedro.

902
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,960
My question about that, though, was how difficult was it

903
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,159
before you went on with Pedro to break up with

904
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,800
your uncle Igor, who had been your trainer pretty much

905
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,239
your entire career as far as I know.

906
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was super hot. It was super hot. Some

907
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,039
some hot decisions and family, right, yeah, of course pot

908
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,760
look he he, he understood. I needed to get out

909
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,119
of Australia. I needed. Look, I've always trimmed about fighting

910
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,599
and training here in the United States, and this is

911
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,440
this is what boxing is at, you know. So for me,

912
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:41,480
I wanted to come here train and bebe surrounded by

913
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,840
American boxing, you know, and and and that's what it

914
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,320
was for me.

915
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: And so now you go into the fight with Nurgia.

916
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,159
You mentioned his record. He's twenty zero uh, an Albanian fighter.

917
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:52,639
You guys are the same age at thirty one.

918
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:53,599
Speaker 2: Uh.

919
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: You know, I've heard a lot of fighters, Tim, I've

920
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,039
been doing this a long time, and I must say,

921
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,079
when I saw the announcement from your team that this

922
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,360
would be the opponent you were facing in this fight,

923
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,599
I had never heard of him. When I looked him up,

924
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,119
and I looked at the record, and yeah, you mentioned

925
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,960
he's got a spotless record. It's it's looks real nice.

926
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840
But then you take a look at the guys he's fought.

927
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,480
It's really you know, you don't recognize anybody on his

928
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,400
h on his record, So what is it about him

929
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,599
that you think he brings to the table or what

930
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,679
do you hope to gain from the fight other than

931
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,519
like you were saying in another training camp with Pedro.

932
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the hottest, the best. The hardest thing

933
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,000
for me is that this is he's this is he's

934
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,760
make or break fought. This is the biggest opportunity. You know,

935
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,119
sometimes it's it's it's hot, and when people come to

936
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,559
this top of level, they sort of rise by fifty

937
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,760
percent just because of the occasion. So that's what it

938
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,119
is for me. But for me, it's more about just

939
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,639
getting in the groove, working on things that are that

940
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,360
have been working on it, and putting it all into action.

941
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,679
Speaker 3: All right, So now what about Spence? I mean, if

942
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,079
you know you're supposed to win this fight, obviously we

943
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,119
know anything can happen in boxing, but you're supposed to win,

944
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,480
that would I know the deal is not done yet

945
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,039
as far as I'm know, as far as your team

946
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,360
and the Spence side getting everything wrapped up, but it

947
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,719
feels like that's what's gonna happen at some point in

948
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,480
the near future. What are your thoughts about Errol Spence?

949
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,519
He's been a top pound for pound guy for a

950
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:14,840
long time. He'd unified three the titles at welterweight. He

951
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,519
would be moving him up that way to fight you

952
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,880
at junior middleweight. He also hasn't thoughts in July twenty

953
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960
twenty three, as I mentioned, if anybody would need to

954
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,119
tune up, that might be Errol Spence. Last time he

955
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,559
was in the ring, Terrence Crawford demolished him when they

956
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:28,400
met for the undisputed title. But he's still got a

957
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,000
big name. Tell me your thoughts about that matchup if

958
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:32,519
it happens.

959
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's intriguing the fact that what

960
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,599
he's achieved future whole of fame already right there. But

961
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:44,840
a little question marks, a little question marks, answer answers

962
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,360
the NATed. So it's an intriguing match between two different stalls,

963
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,599
you know, starlistically, technically, how it's going to play out,

964
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:56,159
It's gonna be a splash, that's for sure.

965
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: I have to think with the caliber of his name

966
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,639
and his accomplishment, you combine that with the things you've done,

967
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,239
and you're popular already at home, and if this fight

968
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,480
takes place in Australia, as the people in negotiating and

969
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,599
say it would be can it probably be one of

970
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,639
the bigger fights in recent Australian history, And there's been

971
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,960
a lot of fights in Australia over the last several years.

972
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:16,920
How big of a deal do you think it would

973
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,079
be for your for your people?

974
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:23,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Australia it's it's it's history making

975
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,119
top things. This top of Columber fight. You don't hear

976
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,320
about it, you know. I remember when Paki Allen versus

977
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,920
Home that was massive, fifty plus in a stadium, So

978
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,480
I think we're talking to the top those top of

979
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,280
numbers and to experience something like that, No many fighters

980
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,519
get to do that, get to feel that top of

981
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,960
feelings before. So that's what it is for me.

982
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: Now. In your weight class, junior midway, there is a

983
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,920
fight coming up in March twenty eighth for your old rival,

984
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Sebastian Fundor. He's going to defend the WBC belt against

985
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,159
Keith Thurman, who you were actually on course to fight

986
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,320
when you both took fights in Australia and you both

987
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,440
won them by knockout, and when that was all done,

988
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,679
you ended up taking the Fundor rematching, didn't take the

989
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,599
Thermon fight. Could you tell me a little bit like

990
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,719
why everybody was so hyped up for Thermon fight. Everybody

991
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,519
was talking that was what was gonna be next. You

992
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,360
commentated on his fight. You know, he went to your

993
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,119
country and talked a lot of shit and it didn't

994
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,360
end up happening. You took the Fundor fight. What was it?

995
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Why didn't the the Therman fight happen?

996
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: Well? House presented with the with the rematch that I

997
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,320
couldn't refuse, you know, because one of one of those

998
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,239
things that I that I really wanted to get back

999
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,679
and relieve again. And yeah, that's that's the decision that

1000
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,280
I'm maing.

1001
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: Well, I know you're obviously very familiar, haven't had two

1002
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,519
fights with Frondora, And even though you didn't fight te Thurman,

1003
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,519
you commentated on his fight. I'm sure you studied them

1004
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,960
a bit thinking you might be fighting him. What do

1005
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,320
you think about I mean, your your thoughts about their matchup?

1006
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,039
That seems uh uh. You know, Fondora's in his prime,

1007
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,920
Thermis coming off of a of a he he did

1008
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,760
recently fight, but a longer layoff. But you know there's

1009
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,239
always that size difference when a Fundora opponent has to

1010
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,320
look up at the guy. How do you think that

1011
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,039
fight works out?

1012
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1013
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: Look, I think Fundora is hard. He's very hard box

1014
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,840
on the reason for it is that when he it's

1015
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,559
not like he's punching of the like powerful, but they're

1016
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,840
just stingy and they're non stop. The fact that he's

1017
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,880
that tall, he can throw a hundred punches around and

1018
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,760
not waste energy, you know, So he just goes bum

1019
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,280
bum bom. It's like a monotone boom boom boom boom

1020
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,519
boom boom when they're landing because there's so long and

1021
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,239
the whole time when you're when you're with Fondora, you

1022
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,079
don't have that time to to relax, to think, to

1023
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,840
strategize or show to do this. But Thurm and what

1024
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,199
he's good at it is he's moved and moves around.

1025
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,119
He's able to could get Fondora to come walk into

1026
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,400
one of his shots, which will which will Yeah, it's

1027
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,199
going to be an interesting belt in terms of that.

1028
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: Stylistically wise, Derren also has been known to have a

1029
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,519
great chin throughout his career. And as I mentioned, you

1030
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:08,639
are in this loaded division besides yourself and Fondora and Thurman.

1031
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,800
Errol Spence coming up potentially to fight you. You also

1032
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,000
have a lot of other guys in the white class.

1033
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,920
He got Xander's eyes. He's a unified world champion. A

1034
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,960
lot of people, at least in our country here in America,

1035
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,440
I want to see virgial Artis and Boutanas get it

1036
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,280
on that day, have bigger names in the weight class.

1037
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,199
Josh Kelly recently won a title, taking it from Baker Martazalev,

1038
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,079
the other guy that hung a loss on you a

1039
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:34,159
few years ago. Where do you fit in this dream

1040
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,559
middleweight division as it is constructed now, because I think

1041
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,400
a lot of people look at is literally the number

1042
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,800
one division for talent in boxing currently.

1043
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:43,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1044
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: Look, I think in terms of being in the division,

1045
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,400
I think I've only really lost to the best out

1046
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,280
there in the division, and that's that's that's on the best.

1047
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,679
But I just made a big win. I did a

1048
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,760
big win against someone notable, and that puts me back

1049
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,519
in the mix. You know.

1050
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,679
Speaker 3: So Dennis Nergia is your next fight. I'm not sure

1051
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,280
that people will look at that as a big win.

1052
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,840
But if you can take care of your business, I

1053
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,800
guess then we'll see the chance to you for you

1054
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,119
to get a big wins. Is that how you sort

1055
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:17,039
of look at things?

1056
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, look one fight at a time, of course,

1057
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:24,760
But yeah, we're talking about the biggest names possible in

1058
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,119
the in the in the near future, so one step

1059
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,840
at a time. I'm fully focused on what I've got

1060
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,039
to do to Dennis.

1061
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: Why wish you good luck with that fight against Nursia.

1062
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,440
I'm happy to see that we'll be able to watch

1063
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,400
it here in the United States on Prime video. I

1064
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,719
wish you the best of luck, and when that's all done,

1065
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,199
maybe we'll see you in the big one against after that. Tim,

1066
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:46,400
thank you very much for I appreciate it. Yeah, good luck.

1067
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,039
Speaker 1: He is always very enjoyable to listen to answers the questions,

1068
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,840
has some good stuff. The real question is what does

1069
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,639
he have left? As we were saying earlier in the podcast,

1070
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,840
now this is in he is in Ironman against a

1071
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,239
guy that he should do well against, and if he does,

1072
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,119
he's back again as a player in the junior middleway division.

1073
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,039
I'm saying that final thoughts after that conversation you had

1074
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:10,679
with Tim Zoo.

1075
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, he's, you know, the

1076
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,119
fights a little bit over the weight it's at one

1077
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:15,840
hundred and fifty seven pounds, but that's because it's just

1078
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,280
a ten rounder. Is his future still, he says, is

1079
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
at one hundred and fifty four. Uh Nurgia is the

1080
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,840
guy with a great record twenty and oh, but he's

1081
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,599
never fought anybody, so uh it looks good. But you know,

1082
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,880
who knows what's underneath the hood, so to speak. But

1083
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,320
the onus is gonna be on Tim Zoo to go

1084
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,800
in there and take care of business. As I said

1085
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,719
to Tim in the interview, I think it's crazy that

1086
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,679
you're taking this so called tune up fight because the

1087
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,519
mayor of Tim did just fight, you know, not that

1088
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,320
long ago, and with the with the Magne possibility of

1089
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,159
this Spence fight for him in Australia on the on

1090
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,280
the table. I just didn't see any I mean, I

1091
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,480
have no idea why he's doing it. I mean he acknowledged,

1092
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:51,039
like you know, I actually said to him, I said,

1093
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,000
it's a little crazy, and you know what was he

1094
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,760
gonna say? So, you know, because things happen, especially you

1095
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,760
know a guy like Chad his ups and downs.

1096
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: It's not like you can hurt yourself. There's a lot.

1097
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,599
But I'm not gonna say earlier in his podcast that

1098
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,360
we need to see more of Moses E. Tama and

1099
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,079
then fault Tim Zoo for wanting to stay active and get.

1100
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,679
Speaker 3: A paid There's there's the happy medium. Okay, the guy

1101
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,159
fought like literally a few months ago.

1102
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: But can I can I say this to you, We

1103
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,760
don't We don't know for sure that he's gonna fight

1104
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,320
Eryl Spence. Eryl Spence has been in the ring calling

1105
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,519
out Sebastian Fundora. That never happened.

1106
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:24,159
Speaker 3: That's way long ago. This fight is in the works.

1107
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, forgive me. I'm Missouri. I'm the show

1108
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,559
me state. You got to show me on whether or

1109
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,719
not that's actually gonna happen. So I still think I

1110
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,679
don't blame him as much as you do for taking

1111
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:33,960
this fight.

1112
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,159
Speaker 3: I'll die on the hill no matter what happens when

1113
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,800
he fights Dennis Nurga. Taking the fight was not intelligent

1114
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,320
for his team or for him in my opinion. If

1115
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,519
you know, good luck to him. Obviously, I'd like to

1116
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:48,760
see this Spence fight. If it's gonna happen, fine, But anyway,

1117
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,280
always good to talk to Timm. He was in Miami

1118
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,039
where he was training. We were on that we were

1119
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,000
joking around before we started to record, and we're on

1120
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:57,400
the same time zone for a change, being that he

1121
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,719
was in Miami and I'm here in Northern Virginia and

1122
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,400
back to Australia for the homecoming once again and see

1123
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,719
if he can move on to a bigger fight.

1124
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Then again, that is next weekend, not this weekend, but

1125
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,559
April fourth in the US on the Sunday night.

1126
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,159
Speaker 3: I would draw one on the Australia conclusion. By the way,

1127
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,199
TJ as a person who also covered Tim Zoo's father's career,

1128
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:22,119
Costa Zoo, the difference in dealing with media is like

1129
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,719
night and day. Tim Zu is an absolute pleasure to

1130
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
deal with, available, talkative. I believe just you know he

1131
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,000
asked a question. It gives you to what has evert

1132
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,639
in his mind? Is the real answer? He's not, doesn't

1133
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:36,199
have talking points. His father respectful, good guy, no doubt,

1134
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,800
but impossible to get anything out of. I can remember,

1135
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,079
by the way, sitting in a media room in Atlantic

1136
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,679
City one time doing an interview with Costa Zoo. Back here.

1137
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,800
This is I think before he was fighting this rematch.

1138
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,039
A few months before he was getting a rematch with

1139
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Charmbay Mitchell. He was coming off of an injury. Tim

1140
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:58,719
Costa was and I could I might have gotten twenty

1141
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,239
words in the whole damn interview. I mean it was

1142
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,360
just again, he.

1143
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,519
Speaker 1: Was almost it was almost like an interrogation, and the

1144
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,199
suspect was not being cooperative, was waiting for his lawyer.

1145
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: You're saying, it was just brutal and Tim is the

1146
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,280
compreat opposite.

1147
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: Okay, and we like that. And now let's see if

1148
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,519
he delivers in this fight for next weekend, a little

1149
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:20,079
news and then we are done. So not unexpectedly, we

1150
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,960
talked about it on the Recap pod. It was made

1151
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,480
official midweek. Golden Boy and Dezone do have a new

1152
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,039
multi year agreement. Now you've done some reporting and you're

1153
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:34,159
about to share on that. So that deal is done,

1154
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,840
and what does it ultimately mean for the consumer? I

1155
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,400
keep saying, and whatever de Zone goes to raise their

1156
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,559
prices again because everything is now under their broadcast umbrella

1157
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,880
for the most part. But anyway, follow up because you

1158
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,679
did some reporting on this deal with Oscar de la

1159
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Hoya's outlet getting a renewal with Dezone finally here in March.

1160
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took a hell of a long time. It

1161
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:58,920
was not easy. There was lots of up and downs.

1162
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,440
You know. I've reported extent about how much the Zone

1163
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,000
pressured Golden Boy to deliver the Virgil Ortiz boots and

1164
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,840
his fight. Obviously that did not happen and won't happen

1165
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,639
for the time being, especially now there that Golden Boy

1166
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,559
and Virgil Art are involved in the court ordered arbitration.

1167
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,119
So uh, you know, he's on ice unless they make

1168
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,719
some kind of last minute settlement at that very least

1169
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,679
through this, you know, until the fall at the earliest.

1170
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,639
But they finally did get the deal done. It kind

1171
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,119
of was touch and go there. But and I don't,

1172
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,199
I don't. This is my conjecture. I think it got

1173
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,920
to a certain point where Golden Boy needs a home

1174
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:35,079
period and the Zone while they have plenty of of

1175
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,559
other outstanding, uh collections of talent that are on their

1176
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,840
platform because of deals with the one that was just

1177
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,960
announced with Top Rank, the one they've had with that's

1178
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,039
in the middle of a multi year deal with Queensberry,

1179
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,840
a five year renewal they just announced with Mattroom Boxing.

1180
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,960
They have a deal now with this upstart and that

1181
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,960
pro the former Wasserman Boxing they work with Dimitri Salida,

1182
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,559
they have they have plenty of different uh uh, bigger

1183
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,280
and smaller events. They do all the Ring magazine pay

1184
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,519
per views with Turkey, which have major league fights on them. So,

1185
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,480
but I felt like they also wanted just another quality promoter,

1186
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,760
particularly an American based promoter. I feel like Golden Boy

1187
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,239
has delivered plenty of quality events for the Zone through

1188
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,719
their relationship. Remember they've been together essentially since the Zone

1189
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,679
first started in twenty eighteen, when Canelo Alvarez was still

1190
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,039
with Golden Boy and they made a deal to bring

1191
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,760
him to de Zone, and that obviously ended up being

1192
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,599
the entire stable of Golden Boy. So they have now

1193
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:32,719
a new deal exclusivity. All of the deals that of

1194
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,119
the big promoters that the Zone has with Golden Boy,

1195
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,599
Queensberry and naturally are exclusive. The top ranked deal is

1196
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,519
not exclusive. But that the Golden Boy deal that they

1197
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:44,480
just announced, they didn't say, they just said, moltiir. My

1198
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,639
sources tell me it's a two year deal and there

1199
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,440
is option language for an extension at some point in

1200
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,880
the you know, before it is up. But what it

1201
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,000
means is for the consumer, I don't think it means

1202
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,079
in any kind of immediate price like. And the reason

1203
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,480
I say that is because right now the focus from

1204
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,760
the business side for the Zone is to continue to

1205
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,159
upsell their existing subscribers for their Ultimate Plan, which they'll

1206
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,800
tell you that besides what you would normally get with

1207
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,960
the base plan, you get supposedly twelve so called pay

1208
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,920
per view fights that are part of that package. So

1209
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,639
you will get you know, they're involved with Benavidez of

1210
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,960
course against Zerto Ramirez. It's going to be on Prime Video,

1211
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,199
but that is also going to be available on to Zone,

1212
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:27,559
I believe, part of that Ultimate plan. And you know

1213
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,119
that there's gonna be other fights that they make that

1214
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:30,639
are going to go into that Ultimate Plan. And so

1215
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,199
for de Zone they need as many you know, so

1216
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,199
called big names and top level fights to continue to

1217
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,599
make events for that part of their package to get

1218
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,920
the subscribers to keep paying for it. And Golden Boy

1219
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,039
has a good stable. That's the bottom line. And so

1220
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,639
you know, not I'm not trying to do a commercial

1221
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:50,400
for his Zone, but if you have this, if you

1222
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,280
have purchased the Ultimate Plan, I think so far it

1223
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,559
has been worth it. You did get Chikor against tia Fimo.

1224
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,599
There was you know, there was the Ryan Garcia Barrios event,

1225
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,719
There's gonna be the fight coming up next week with

1226
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,360
Deontay Wilder and so Sora. You know, there's gonna be

1227
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,440
the Benavida's fight against Zero and so on and so forth. So, Uh,

1228
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,000
the point was they they needed another. Uh if people

1229
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,039
they were familiar with that a quality stable of which

1230
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,480
Golden Boy does, whether it's champions and prospects and contenders

1231
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,519
as well as Golden Boy needed them.

1232
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: Let's and let's be truthful. Let's be truthful. If you

1233
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,239
are the consumer, this is your outlet where you're probably

1234
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,599
gonna have three out of every four weekends for the

1235
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:33,519
rest of this year. I'm just saying this, are gonna

1236
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:35,480
have one of these promoters putting a card on on

1237
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:38,920
his zone, You're gonna get You're gonna get doubled up

1238
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,480
on Saturday with ones in the UK earlier in the

1239
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:42,880
day and then ones in the United States.

1240
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,039
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, a lot of times you

1241
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:45,840
got two in one weekend, Like well, when if you

1242
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,400
listen to the to the to the executives from the zone. Uh,

1243
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,119
they spoke about this, not because Goldenway didn't do like

1244
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:53,960
an official news conference. They sent out a press release

1245
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,480
because it's just it's not technically an extension, but they

1246
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,920
basically have been with them since twenty eighteen, even though

1247
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,760
they've been lapsed since since the end of twenty twenty five.

1248
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,360
They had done the two one off cards with the

1249
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,119
Zone together that were just outside of the parameters of

1250
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:09,400
a particular contract. But the point is that the Zone

1251
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,760
executives talked about at the Top Rank press conference that

1252
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,159
their goal, and I think they can do it. I

1253
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,440
mean maybe barring like a big holiday or something, to

1254
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,440
make sure that there's some kind of pretty solid top

1255
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,079
level world championship boxing event every single week end of

1256
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,000
the years, every Saturday night, you know, through the through

1257
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,320
the calendar, and you know, perhaps on a Friday night sometimes.

1258
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,679
Speaker 1: So the only concern, once again one more time, is

1259
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,920
they're going to raise the rates again because if they

1260
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,119
have it all under one entity, their attitude can be

1261
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,400
This is why we have monopoly rules and trust rules

1262
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,360
in the United States on Well, if you're a fight fan,

1263
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,719
you got no other real option right now but to

1264
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:46,559
pay what we're charging.

1265
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: I totally agree to that, except for at least for now,

1266
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,320
and I don't know how long it will last. They're

1267
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,159
heavily invested in the Ultimate Plan and they just started

1268
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:57,440
promoting that. So I don't think you can start promoting

1269
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,639
that and three months later suddenly raise the price on it,

1270
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:00,360
you know what I mean.

1271
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: I still see, we'll see, but they do have the

1272
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,119
deal with them. Okay. Actually we do have some good

1273
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:08,920
news real quick on the health of the nineteen year

1274
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,920
old novice female fighter Isis Scio, who fought on the

1275
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,559
pro Box card in San Bernardino, California, the undercard of

1276
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,280
the Lester Martinez main event. When when we left the

1277
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,880
year Sunday night, the news was grim for the recap

1278
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,599
podcast because she had been put in a medically induced coma.

1279
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:30,039
Am I am I using Harperpole to say, this is

1280
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:34,039
a medical marvel here that we're talking about. She got

1281
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:38,719
discharged from the hospital midweek. That's a medical marvel. To

1282
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,599
have recovered that well in a matter of days. That's

1283
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:44,039
great news. We need more great news in our lives,

1284
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:44,800
great field.

1285
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: That's great news. It's surely great news. That's the first

1286
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,920
and foremost thing we never were I mean, not that

1287
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,280
it's our business, frankly, I mean it's somebody's private medical

1288
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,559
situation or family did put out a few details, but

1289
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:58,360
we never knew the exact extent of what happened. We

1290
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,519
don't know a specific how she is now even I mean,

1291
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:03,840
clearly she's better now than she was when you're in

1292
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,079
a coma. Obviously if you're able being able to be

1293
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,760
released from the hospital, so obviously, yeah, great news. But

1294
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,480
what what kind of residual issues are are stomached hear?

1295
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,679
What the actual injury was specifically not clear, But the

1296
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,440
bottom line is the young woman got knocked out very

1297
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:21,480
very badly in the first round. It sounded terrible, like

1298
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,639
you said. They took her out of the ring on

1299
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,960
a stretcher, she went to the hospital, they put her

1300
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
into the coma. Obviously, there was a lot of you know,

1301
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,079
concerns and worries about everything that was going on. And

1302
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,360
here we are, you know, several days later, and she is,

1303
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:35,639
you know, was taken out of the coma, taking off

1304
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:38,199
the ventilator, was able to breathe on her own. Eventually

1305
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,960
was able to get up and walk around and get released.

1306
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,719
So I would imagine her boxing career is over. But

1307
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,800
you know, she's a young woman with a hopefully a

1308
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,400
very long and productive life ahead of her. I did

1309
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
see the comments that her opponent that knocked her out,

1310
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:53,800
Jocelyn Camarillo, who was a you know, the the favorite,

1311
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,440
the undefeated woman, the woman that it was a three

1312
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,559
time amateur national champion that that scored the win. She

1313
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,920
put out a very heartfelt, uh statement on her social

1314
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,480
media because she had been I think unfairly criticized by

1315
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,079
some people for her brief celebration before she kind of

1316
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,079
realized what was going on, and she made the point that, hey,

1317
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,239
that was my first ever knockout. I got caught up

1318
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:15,800
on the moment. I was excited, and as soon as

1319
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,119
I realized what was going on, I shopped and kneeled down,

1320
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:20,480
and she would want to.

1321
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: Kneeling down and praying with somebody from her corner because

1322
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,280
at that moment, I mean, let's bring this back to

1323
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,280
a humanistic level. You're going, oh my god, she could

1324
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,239
be seriously hurt or dead. So cut a little slack there.

1325
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,920
But I just come back to we have so many

1326
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,039
different things wrong with the world, inside and outside of sports.

1327
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:43,039
This was I mean, I was delighted to read the updates, including.

1328
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: On the day. I know this. In the years I

1329
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,079
have covered boxing the vast, vast majority of these things

1330
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:53,280
that happen. If you if you know that a boxer

1331
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,079
has been injured to the head and is in a coma,

1332
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:59,199
very rarely does it have a very happy ending. And

1333
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:01,599
if this was ultimately doesn't she's out of the hospital.

1334
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:02,559
That's wonderful.

1335
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: That's tremendous. For now, that's the best of the updates. Okay,

1336
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,800
now let's get into the political morass. You like the

1337
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,360
words I did not say more ass I said morass,

1338
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,880
the political morass of the Muhammad Ali Act, which has

1339
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,519
now made its way through the US House of Representatives

1340
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:23,480
and it's on its way to the United States the

1341
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,079
United States Senate, which by the way, is preoccupied with

1342
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,280
some other things at the moment, but the Muhammad Ali

1343
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:34,440
Revival Act is on its way to becoming adjusted and

1344
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:40,400
a new law. And currently right now it has the

1345
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,880
backing of the President. He has said that he will

1346
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,960
sign it if it gets to him, if it passes

1347
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,400
the Senate. Interestingly, there is some opposition at the moment.

1348
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,639
So fill in the details on what has happened this week,

1349
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:51,320
Dan Rayphield.

1350
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: Okay, this is not a surprise, and the reason it's

1351
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,880
not a surprise is because anytime, you know, we shall

1352
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,199
go back and watch the Schoolhouse rock on how I

1353
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,039
bill becomes the law before it gets to the floor

1354
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,840
of Are you going absolutely, I will?

1355
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: I am just on.

1356
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: Okay, enough of that, try and to.

1357
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: What become law. But that's what's happening here, my God,

1358
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:16,760
go ahead, okay.

1359
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: So when it came before it gets to the Before

1360
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,280
any law that's in the process of being going through

1361
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,000
the process of becoming a law, it comes out of

1362
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,079
the committee and they have to vote to send that

1363
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:32,480
out of the committey before we can even get to

1364
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,000
the floor of the of the House of Representatives or

1365
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,559
frankly the Senate. And so in the in the case

1366
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,039
of this one, in the House of Representatives committee, it

1367
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:44,039
passed like thirty to four, massive bipartisan support. So if

1368
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,840
you can send legislation out of your committee with that

1369
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,199
big of a support, the chances are when it gets

1370
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,639
to the floor for an actual vote that that the

1371
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:56,880
result is going to somewhat reflect how the committee voted,

1372
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,440
because it's of course made up of both parties. In

1373
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,800
any event, this was such a massively bipartisan, overwhelming passage

1374
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,599
on the on the in terms of the House of Representatives.

1375
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,400
They didn't have to do like a a roll call vote,

1376
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,920
where you know, everybody has to give their vote. They

1377
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,920
did what they call a voice vote. You know, all

1378
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,840
those in favors say I, and basic said I, and

1379
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,320
maybe there was two or three few people voice.

1380
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: By the way, can we just digress for a second.

1381
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,079
I love those roll call votes. When those when the

1382
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,880
when the clerk is calling the names, it's just hilarious.

1383
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,119
It's mister ray Field of Virginia, and then Miss sty

1384
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,239
of Florida, and then on and on down the list.

1385
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,400
But they didn't even do that. They just did because

1386
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,480
they knew they had overwhelming support. All in favor say

1387
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,800
I I, those opposed saying hey, if you okay, so

1388
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,840
now and it passes. But now there are still some obstacles,

1389
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,239
and there's opposition from a prominent person.

1390
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,599
Speaker 3: Right, so the Senate will go so they have their

1391
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:56,559
version of the bill also, And what happens is if

1392
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,519
they pass it, and you you have to think that

1393
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,480
it passed that overwhelmingly. Not to say that the Senate

1394
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,639
in the House always agree on stuff, but if it

1395
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:07,079
was that overwhelming in the one part of the Congress,

1396
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,440
that the other part you gotta figure is gonna pass

1397
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,000
it without a problem. And this, of course, for those

1398
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:14,719
who are unaware, this is the ZUFA Boxing Keko back

1399
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,679
Bill that will allow them to change and alter the

1400
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:23,679
original ALI Act that was built for supposed protections of

1401
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:26,840
fighters of certain things about a firewall between the manager

1402
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,960
and the promoter, about having financial disclosures and you know,

1403
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,719
other things related to their careers. But they want to

1404
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,360
do the similar setup as the UFC, which is to

1405
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,360
create what they call a UBO, which will allow the

1406
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,039
promoter in this case TKO or you know slash ZUFA

1407
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,599
to make their own rankings, to be the manager and

1408
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,280
the promoter and not have to do certain disclosures. And

1409
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,159
I have stated a thousand times that for some boxers

1410
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:53,400
this is gonna be a good thing, and for others

1411
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,800
they might want to think twice about it. But it's

1412
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,360
gonna become the law. It's probably going to pass the Senate,

1413
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,039
and it's gonna get to the President's desk and he

1414
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,960
will sign it. He's a very close friend of Dana White,

1415
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,239
who was obviously the CEO of UFC as well as

1416
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,239
of Zuper Boxing, and so it's going to be the

1417
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:11,880
new reality, and so there will be the ubo of

1418
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,800
ZUPA Boxing will operate in its silo, in its way

1419
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,719
that they can do things. And then there are still

1420
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:20,039
going to be the legacy promoters, the bigger ones of course,

1421
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,519
the top ranks and Golden Boys and Matt Rooms and

1422
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,199
Queen's Berrys all that. Now, keep in mind this is

1423
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:28,760
strictly in the United States where it will impact. It

1424
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,639
will probably damage the club scene for various reasons. If

1425
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:35,159
you read those legislation, that's not a good thing. But

1426
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,920
it will also in certain respects, will increase things that

1427
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,119
I or make better certain things. As one example, at

1428
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,320
least in the United States of America, should this bill

1429
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,599
become a law, it will accept in extreme circumstances of

1430
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:52,519
injury and unavailability for the different reasons, but not the

1431
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:54,880
Will and Nelly bullshit that we've seen for years. It

1432
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,800
will make illegal interim champions, and I'm all for that,

1433
01:06:59,519 --> 01:06:59,760
you know.

1434
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,599
Speaker 1: So in other words, the hokey pokey stuff of regular

1435
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:08,480
vacant interim whatever. Yeah, that's that's part of what the

1436
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:11,280
problem is on what is a world champion or not?

1437
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so.

1438
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,199
Speaker 3: That will be you know, that will be a major

1439
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,760
thing that will be addressed and in any event, again

1440
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,679
it's not a dune deal yet. But the passage in

1441
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,320
the House of Representatives, which frankly is not wasn't a surprise,

1442
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:25,679
although I have to say I was maybe slightly surprised

1443
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:27,400
that they can do it on a voice vote, But okay,

1444
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,800
but it's on the way to becoming a law, and

1445
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,559
there are there's a misconception I think from some fans

1446
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:37,679
who and I don't quite get people who claim this

1447
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,400
wild outrage. It's beyond me because I guarantee they haven't

1448
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,440
actually read the legislation number one. But besides that, it's

1449
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,320
not This is a huge misunderstanding I think from a

1450
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,679
lot of people. It's not as though ZUFA can be

1451
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,199
a UBO and they're changing the rules only for them.

1452
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:56,559
It means, and I don't know if I like this,

1453
01:07:56,679 --> 01:07:59,440
but it's just the reality. It means any other promoter

1454
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:02,039
can also go to the UBO route if they choose to. Now,

1455
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,639
there's certain requirements that a UBO to exist have to

1456
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,440
UH be able to provide, such as a certain understand

1457
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:13,440
training area, yes in medical coverage and that type of thing,

1458
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,840
which certainly UFC is equipped to do. With their gym.

1459
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,119
But like as an example, like Top Rank has its

1460
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:21,680
own gym in Vegas. It's a first class gym, you know,

1461
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,600
with a sprucing up a couple of things and adding

1462
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,800
a few things. If they decided to, they could probably

1463
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,920
do it also, and others can make that investment.

1464
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: But I don't think to go down the road of

1465
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,000
you're not gonna work with boxing organizations. You're gonna have

1466
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:33,960
your own rankings, you're gonna have your own titles, the

1467
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,680
whole bit. I will just say this. There may be

1468
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,520
some benefits, but I am still on the front end

1469
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,800
going to remain consistent. This is a bad thing ultimately

1470
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,039
for fighters when they're tied up long term under this entity,

1471
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,439
and the entity is not only the promoter, but is

1472
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,560
their manager in charge of their money. The whole bit, I.

1473
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,039
Speaker 3: Under they still have managers, but the financial disclosure element

1474
01:08:58,119 --> 01:08:59,640
is the is the issue to somebody.

1475
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing is if you're tied up long

1476
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,760
term on multi fight deals, which they will be four

1477
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,319
or five fight or more deals.

1478
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 3: So but here's the thing about that, though TJ, all

1479
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,680
the top champions and all the top fighters are all

1480
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,840
tied up with promoters. You think that the top rank

1481
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,640
and golden boy and match.

1482
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: In that case, that's the free market, and you've negotiated

1483
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,520
that according to what somebody else might pay you. In

1484
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,159
this case, you come under this umbrella and you haven't

1485
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,680
negotiated with the free market. You're basically negotiating only with

1486
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,079
the one.

1487
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 3: What you negotiate is you negotiate your original contract that

1488
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,119
you go from there. Now, you mentioned about the opposition.

1489
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:37,960
So Oscar de la Hoya, who is against this, has

1490
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,720
said publicly in various formats. He was on Ariel Hawani

1491
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,119
show as one example, talking about it. He said, he's

1492
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,880
going to Washington. See he's been talking to different senators.

1493
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,319
He has been apparently invited, or he's going, or he's

1494
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,119
got meetings set up with different senators. He will lobby

1495
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,279
against it. If he was going to do that, he

1496
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:56,359
might have wanted to start a little sooner. I suppose

1497
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,199
instead of coming down to the wire. I'll see if

1498
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:02,520
he can use his star power, his name, you know,

1499
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,760
his experience in the in the business obviously is significant

1500
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,840
for twenty plus years as a promoter, not to mention

1501
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,119
as a fighter. So he sort of should understand both

1502
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:13,439
sides of the equation. And see if he can stop

1503
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,760
it from passing. I mean, I don't know if he

1504
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,520
can do that, and you know, we shall see. But

1505
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,960
my perspective again, people have ripped me about this on

1506
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,760
social media time. Everyone w't give a fuck. But here's

1507
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,039
the point. If you are a boxer and you are

1508
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:31,159
considering a deal with the ZUFA Boxing or another traditional promoter,

1509
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:34,520
try to surround yourself with people that can understand it,

1510
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,000
or if you can understand it yourself, give it a read,

1511
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:38,680
give it a look, talk to your lawyer, talk to

1512
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,920
your manager, and decide what you think is the best

1513
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,600
for your career. And I will say once again, if

1514
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,520
you if you think that the ZUFA backing of this

1515
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,720
bill and that it becoming law is the devil incarnate,

1516
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,560
Okay that is your opinion. That is fine, But no

1517
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,880
boxer anywhere on the planet is forced to sign into

1518
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,159
this type of setups. They don't have to go to

1519
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,640
the UBO route, you know. And by the way, if

1520
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,840
they think that the legacy promoters are so fucking great,

1521
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,359
if they had done their job the way they should

1522
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,079
have been doing it for the last fifty plus years

1523
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:10,319
or sixty plus years or eighty plus years this wouldn't

1524
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:12,720
exist because they would have been a better steward of

1525
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,640
the business. But they have so dramatically fucked it up

1526
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,760
for years that it allows opening for the ZUFA way

1527
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,359
of doing things with UFC to come into play. So,

1528
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:25,199
you know, it's hard to root for one side or

1529
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:27,119
the other. I don'm not room for either side. I'm

1530
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:30,279
just I feel like I'm just calling balls and strikes.

1531
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: All right, Well, and they and this is one other

1532
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:33,600
aspect that We're not going to go on from the

1533
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,920
other five minutes because we've got to move on to

1534
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:35,399
other things.

1535
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1536
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,319
Speaker 1: What could also happen is the Senate could decide we

1537
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,520
want this altered somehow, some way, and in the procedure,

1538
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,359
I'm just a build on Capitol Hill. It goes back

1539
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,199
at that point to the Congress and goes back presumably

1540
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:53,600
to the committee to take a look at the possible

1541
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,600
revisions on the next step.

1542
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 3: Now, I mean, anytime you do that, there has to

1543
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,880
be again, people have to understand the way it's done.

1544
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:02,119
The Senate has their version of the bill and the

1545
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:04,000
House has their version, and at some point of both

1546
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:07,159
sides past their version, they have to get together and

1547
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,279
hammer out whatever difference is sometimes easier said than done.

1548
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: Granted, the belief is though they're going to get the

1549
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,199
fifty one votes however wherever, and it's going to pass,

1550
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:18,880
and it's going to end up on the President's desk

1551
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,640
and be signed in the law. That's the way it works.

1552
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:23,199
Most feel like I'm in my wife's fifth grade Civics

1553
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:27,199
class where she's teaching them this stuff. In the fifth grade,

1554
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:30,680
we learn all of this stuff about how's legislation gets made. Okay,

1555
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,640
So along those same lines, one of the test cases,

1556
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,319
if you will, for this whole thing with ZUFA boxing

1557
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:41,720
their own rankings, etc. Is ji Opataiah the latest. Not surprisingly,

1558
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:46,600
he was stripped officially by the IBF earlier this week.

1559
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:49,600
That's not the end of the story, probably, but it

1560
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,000
is what they have chosen to do. So give us

1561
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,399
the latest, real quick on did you hear any more?

1562
01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:58,560
By the way, from the mystery texting lawyer sending you

1563
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,279
anything else?

1564
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:02,359
Speaker 3: I have tried to reach out on multiple occasions and

1565
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:03,359
have so far had not been.

1566
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: That's gone cold. That's interesting, But he's officially stripped. The

1567
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:07,840
IBF ruled such.

1568
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, not totally a surprise. I mean they stated in

1569
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,680
their original missive that came out after the press conference

1570
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,359
about the reasons why that they were not going to

1571
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:17,000
sanction the fight because of the fact that the ZUFA

1572
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,760
World title so called world title was you know, the

1573
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,239
dominant or a dominating part of it, where they were

1574
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:26,000
led to believe it would merely be a token of

1575
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,640
appreciation or you know, a bable if you will, that

1576
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,560
was never gonna happen, but whatever, so they did not

1577
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,039
sanction about and if and again if they don't sanction about,

1578
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:38,079
they have very specific rules lim It's rule like five

1579
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,880
F or something like that where if you are the

1580
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,520
champion and you participate in an unsanctioned fight at the weight,

1581
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,039
whether you win or lose, the title be vacated. So,

1582
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:49,600
for whatever reason, it took them two weeks to have

1583
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,439
their you know, their conference call with their board of

1584
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,600
directors and the president of the IBF, Daryl Peoples, to

1585
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,199
go through that situation, and in the end they decided

1586
01:13:58,239 --> 01:13:59,880
to strip over the title. So that's not a surprise,

1587
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:03,039
which Iopatia, even before he was officially stripped, that lawyer

1588
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:06,640
has been talking about there'll be a lawsuit about the

1589
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,399
situation because they did they withdrew the sanction of the

1590
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:12,760
fight on forty eight hours notice. Now, if technically speaking

1591
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,399
he had not participated in the fight, there would have

1592
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,119
been no issue because he wouldn't have taken part in

1593
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:19,600
a unsanctioned fight. But you can't pull out of a

1594
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,600
fight forty eight hours ahead of time with no injuries

1595
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,439
or no real reason, and you're in breach of contract.

1596
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,800
You fuck up ZUFA, you fuck up Paramount, you fuck

1597
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,640
up all the guys on the undercard, you fuck up

1598
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,760
your opponent. You know, you just can't be doing shit

1599
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,359
like that. So you know, it was unfair to for

1600
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,359
not just the idea for anybody to put a fighter

1601
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:37,439
in a position where, you know, either keep your title

1602
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:37,880
or which I.

1603
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,039
Speaker 1: Will just say this because there's opinions on all of this,

1604
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,199
and like you just said a few moments ago, just

1605
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,239
calling it as you see it in balls and strikes.

1606
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:50,520
And if they got there and they believe this is

1607
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,560
a whole bamboozle thing, they're going to act like in

1608
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,760
the in the preliminary build up that it's an IBF

1609
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,800
title fight. But once we get to fight night, they're

1610
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,279
not going to mention us. They're not going to bring

1611
01:14:59,279 --> 01:14:59,840
the belt.

1612
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: In the ring. That's not gonna say.

1613
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if they believe that that was was

1614
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,720
was what was going to happen, then I can understand

1615
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,000
that once they got there on Friday and realized it,

1616
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:13,239
that they had misgivings about that.

1617
01:15:13,319 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 3: First of all, you never know what's gonna happen on

1618
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,239
fight night number two. I don't think anywhere anybody's rules

1619
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:18,520
it says it has to be in the ring. But

1620
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,760
be that as it may. The big part of this again,

1621
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,880
I go back to the whole concept of don't judge

1622
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,039
me by what I say, judge me by what I do.

1623
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:28,840
So Dana can rail against the organizations all he wants

1624
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,159
and say we're not going to work with them, blah

1625
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:32,560
blah blah. In the end, they did agree to work

1626
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,800
with the IBF. The supervisor was brought to town. The

1627
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,720
sanction fee was paid since returned after they withdrew the sanction.

1628
01:15:41,279 --> 01:15:43,680
They included the IBF in the graphic if you watch

1629
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,920
the stream of the press conference, Jiopataia spent the entirety

1630
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,680
of the news conference in the pre fight photograph session

1631
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:54,359
in the in the in the ring that I on

1632
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,319
the way in on the night of the fight, postfight

1633
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,079
all everything that he was involved with. Everywhere he was

1634
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:01,800
he had the IDEAF belt with him as well as

1635
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,880
his ring magazine title, and the ZUPA title was there

1636
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,600
of course also, so I don't I don't buy that

1637
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,960
as a as a legitimate reason. But regardless, he is

1638
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,159
stripped of the title. Will see if it proceeds to litigation.

1639
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,039
And it's disappointing that the guy that is, by acclamation

1640
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,800
the number one cruiserweight in the world has now been

1641
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,720
stripped of the IBF title twice for reasons that have

1642
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,560
nothing to do with missing weight or peds or anything

1643
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,159
like that. It's just for unfortunate.

1644
01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: Their procedural stuff, and they're getting irked irked by this, Okay,

1645
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,439
so stay tuned last chapter nine and.

1646
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 3: Let me just say one our thing. By the way,

1647
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,239
ZUFA Boxing currently is talking to a variety of different

1648
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:41,640
other fighters, some of which hold titles, and I am

1649
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,479
told that they are absolutely willing, ready and able to

1650
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,119
allow those boxers to maintain their world title belts and

1651
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:50,159
pursue unification fights with the other organization if they want,

1652
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,800
while they also will continue to do their thing as

1653
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,000
they create the ZUPA titles for their you know the

1654
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:57,119
athletes that they signed that don't have titles, or that

1655
01:16:57,159 --> 01:16:59,079
do have titles, that fight in those weight classes. So

1656
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,840
you know they are clearly fluid in their mentality of

1657
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,720
how they're going to approach the organizations. It doesn't have.

1658
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,239
And by the way, there's no rule anywhere that says,

1659
01:17:08,319 --> 01:17:10,560
just because you're going to allow the titles or not

1660
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,720
allowed titles, you don't have to be friends with these people.

1661
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,600
You don't. You can do business with people that you

1662
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,199
don't enjoy being around her, that you don't want to

1663
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:18,359
work with. But because it's just the way you got

1664
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:20,359
to do your business. No one never said they got

1665
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:21,000
to sing songs in.

1666
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 1: A whole hand, I understand, But it's also wanting all

1667
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,600
sides of the argument. They were talking about putting them out.

1668
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,319
Speaker 3: Of business, but they changed their mind, of course.

1669
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:30,079
Speaker 1: Because they realized they couldn't do it that way, at

1670
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:30,840
least early on.

1671
01:17:31,039 --> 01:17:33,359
Speaker 3: So let me givetit for that of not being so

1672
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:35,399
stuck in the mud and dug in that they don't

1673
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:38,640
have the.

1674
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: Last chapter with Opataia not written in particular, if the

1675
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,680
lawyers there will be lawyers, if they might.

1676
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: Get any more phantom text messages from us from two

1677
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,079
more things.

1678
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,039
Speaker 1: Speaking of the IBF, we're like all IBF all the

1679
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:51,039
time on this part of the pod. Real quick IBF

1680
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:54,840
featherweight Champion Angelo Leo is back. He has a date.

1681
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,000
This was a purse bid by the IBF that actually

1682
01:17:58,079 --> 01:18:02,039
Manny Pacquiao Promotions won the purse bid and Rayfield fill

1683
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:05,840
in the details on Leo's featherweight title defense. Who WIT's against?

1684
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: Win go well, he has a mandatory defense against Ray

1685
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,680
east Alim, a good contender who won an elimination fight

1686
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,800
by upset when he went to Japan and scored the

1687
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,199
victory against the Japanese fighters. So you know, good on

1688
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:20,359
Ra east Alim, a good old fashioned a Las Vegas

1689
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,199
American fighter that's been working his way up these rankings

1690
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:24,760
and doing this thing for a long time. He's not

1691
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,399
a young fighter anymore, but this is an incredible opportunity

1692
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,600
for him and he'll get the chance to do do

1693
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,079
a fight. Now, you said about how Manny Pakiao's company

1694
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:34,000
they won the purse bid, which they did, but what

1695
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,720
they've done is they made a deal with Dimitris Salitas

1696
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,520
Salita Promotions to put the fight on one of their

1697
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,680
de zone cards because they do have. They're one of

1698
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,199
the companies that has a deal with his own. Also,

1699
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:45,560
it may not be at the same level of the

1700
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:48,520
bigger promoters, but they do have fights regularly on his

1701
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,880
own and so this fight will take lice on May ninth.

1702
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,239
They will take it to the Gateway Center in Atlanta.

1703
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,399
They view Atlanta as an underserved market, which is cool

1704
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,960
because rays Alm is from Las Vegas and Angelo Lea

1705
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,000
was from Albuquerque and lives in Las Vegas. So they're

1706
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,760
taking this to a to a just a good American

1707
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,680
city where they hope they can bring in fans for

1708
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,439
what looks like and they've.

1709
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 1: Had some world title fights in Atlanta, and there is

1710
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,600
there's recently I'm talking about it's.

1711
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,239
Speaker 3: Very very there's been very rare. Have there been that

1712
01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:18,439
type of events in Atlanta. There's been a few. I

1713
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,800
can just say you this. In my twenty six years

1714
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,319
of covering boxing, I've actually never been to Atlanta to

1715
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:24,720
cover a fight. I was going to go once for

1716
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,760
one of the Tank Davis fights, but it was like

1717
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:27,800
at the holidays or something.

1718
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was at the end of the year, and

1719
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,359
that was a pay per view if I'm not mistaken

1720
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,399
and remember, but there hasn't been a lot of core

1721
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:37,159
fight Jamel Denering I think in Atlanta, so they go

1722
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:40,000
to that recently. Recently, they've had a couple of fights

1723
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:41,920
in the last two or three years, but it's few.

1724
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,079
I mean, Evander Holyfield defended the heavyweight title a couple

1725
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:46,119
of times in Atlanta.

1726
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 3: And there go back thirty years ago or more correct

1727
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,560
correct on that anyway, But anyway, for days Leo the

1728
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,159
thing about Angelo, and you know, he had that monster

1729
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:55,880
knockout of Luis Alberta Lopez in twenty twenty four on

1730
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,520
the summer of that year to win the title. Spectacular knockout,

1731
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,399
knock out of your type contender. He's only had one

1732
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:03,479
fight since August in twenty twenty four. You want to

1733
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,119
talk about activity, he's been terribly inactive. He had the

1734
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:09,199
one fight where he went to Japan. He fought I

1735
01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:12,039
believe it was a mandatory fight against Tomochi Cameda. That

1736
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:15,039
was last May twenty twenty five. He won the decision,

1737
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,159
majority decision, and for whatever reason, he has not yet

1738
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:20,560
fought since then. Uh, and so this fight went to

1739
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,199
the purse bit so he'll be back in action. Literally,

1740
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:25,159
it will be a year layoff since his last fight,

1741
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:27,039
and we'll get a chance to defend the title against

1742
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:28,720
a lead twenty three and one, by the way, with

1743
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,920
twelve knockouts. You know, he's been a pretty good contender

1744
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:31,680
for a number of years.

1745
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: All right, So featherweight is actually a hop in division

1746
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,600
because Brandon Figarola just won in February in Liverpool, England.

1747
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,319
You also have Shoeshoe Carrington that has a belt. You

1748
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:42,279
have rafy L Esponosa that has a belt. So there's

1749
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:42,920
some intrigue.

1750
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: Oh, one of those fights, you know, any of those

1751
01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:49,680
fights are probably you know, whoever is the winner will

1752
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,600
be makeable. I mean if they look at the witch

1753
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,520
ass you mentioned, by the way, because Angelo he's co

1754
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,439
promoted by by Probox and by Top Rank, and then

1755
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,520
the rest of the featherweight title holders. You have Shoe

1756
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,960
Shoes with top rank, You've got Espinosa's with top rank,

1757
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:08,039
and Figureo was with PBC and they are all able

1758
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:10,560
to work together these days. So I would love to

1759
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,039
see some of those fights a get made. There's been

1760
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:14,520
a lot of discussion and rumors that perhaps we'll see

1761
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,199
in the near future a Rafael Espinoza versus Brandon figaroa

1762
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,840
fight that may be a possibility in the upcoming time.

1763
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:22,000
Shoeshoe will probably fight this summer. They'll try to find

1764
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,199
an opponent for him. We talked about recently Michael Conlin,

1765
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:27,880
who lost, if he had won, was a potential opponent

1766
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,319
for him. So you know, hopefully these guys will get acted.

1767
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:32,720
But it's it's shaping up like a nice division right now.

1768
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:36,359
Speaker 1: And one more note, Carlos adamis off the win for

1769
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,520
the WBC middleweight title after all the problems making way previously,

1770
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,079
finally had the title defense and the win over Austin Amo.

1771
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:49,520
Williams now says, or at least he's indicating through social media,

1772
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,640
he wants to move up to super middleweight, so stay tuned. Yeah,

1773
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,920
he has leverage, though with that title, how much leverage.

1774
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,159
Maybe he doesn't have any more leverage. Maybe he realizes

1775
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,199
there's nothing here and he'll move up to one sixty.

1776
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: I think that's probably one of the things, Like the

1777
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:08,119
level of magnitude of fight he can get at one

1778
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,920
sixty is really not that much. I mean the other

1779
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:15,640
so we've discussed this before. Jannebec is still the WBO champion,

1780
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,079
but on ice because of the suspension. He was stripped

1781
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:19,760
of the of the other of the other belt he

1782
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,640
d which was by the IBF because of the situation

1783
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,680
with the testing and his unavailability for the mandatory, So

1784
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,199
they'll go fill the title, so but that won't be

1785
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:30,479
something that will be necessarily a big deal for Adam

1786
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,159
for a damas in that situation. And then the other

1787
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,439
title holder is the WBA title holder, which is also

1788
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,479
with PBC, which is Arisoni Laura, which has other than

1789
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,479
signing for the fight with Janabek where he tests the positive,

1790
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,960
that's not nobody, but they have the same trainer, and

1791
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,439
so the chances of that happening are limited. There's not

1792
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,399
a lot of good contenders. So if he goes up

1793
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,920
and he fights at one sixty eight, which he spoke

1794
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,720
about as a possibility, you know in the post fight

1795
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,479
after he defeated ma Williams, you know, there's certainly a

1796
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,479
lot bigger names in that way class. You know, we'll

1797
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,640
see if there's something that can be done for him

1798
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,119
in that weight division. But the main thing was he

1799
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:05,600
posted the social media. I don't know if this is

1800
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,560
like one hundred percent, but he did post that he

1801
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,640
was interested that you know that I've done what I

1802
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,800
got to do here at one hundred and sixty pounds,

1803
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:16,199
and now I'm gonna look to go up and you

1804
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,520
know see what I can do, you know, at the

1805
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,239
heavier weight class. Like in other words, he put the

1806
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,479
he put down the gauntman. If you will, he says,

1807
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,399
you know that. He said, he makes one sixty easily,

1808
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,439
but I'm gonna make one sixty eight shake even more.

1809
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,119
You know here I come, you know, tell one sixty

1810
01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:31,880
at I'm on my way.

1811
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

1812
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 3: These guys ran for me at one sixty. They moved

1813
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,640
up in weight, but now I'm going to catch up

1814
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:37,920
to them, is basically what he was saying.

1815
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 1: Sign me up for a rematch with Shiraz down the road.

1816
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,159
Speaker 3: I would love to see that, Yeah for sure.

1817
01:23:42,079 --> 01:23:47,199
Speaker 1: Thy tune, okay, busy pod. As we head to the weekend,

1818
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:51,079
Fondora Thurman pay per view main event, Las Vegas, PBC

1819
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,600
on Prime. Earlier in the day, Moses E. Tama the heavyweight,

1820
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:00,840
British unbeaten rising heavyweight. We'll fight Jermaine Franklin. Good stuff

1821
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,000
with Tim Zoo. What do you say we come back

1822
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:06,680
and recap the weekend? You and I after this is

1823
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,800
all done, happy anniversary for you on fightday. Appreciate it

1824
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,119
again to the audience, find us going into the weekend

1825
01:24:13,119 --> 01:24:15,159
with the preview mode and recap mode coming off the

1826
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:20,079
weekend on this pot Feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. With that,

1827
01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:22,279
I think we're good, Dan Rayphael have a great weekend.

1828
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,800
We'll chat some more coming off the weekend about the

1829
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,199
results and any other fight news. Well, enjoy, all right,

1830
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,319
there he goes, there's Big Dan Rayfaeld. Fight Freaks unite

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01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:33,600
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