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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode. If you were

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wrong with me, David Harsania, senior writer at The Washington Examiner,

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my usual co host, Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of

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The Federalist, is her voices out, So we've we've found

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another Hemingway. Mark Hemingway and Mark, we were just saying that,

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you know, Molly has done this podcast sick. She's done

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it on like an hour's sleep. You know, she hadn't

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lost her voice, she would be here right Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: The only thing stopping this. And yes, I know, I

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know I have that sound you hear right now? Is

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everybody like shutting off the podcast right now? I realize

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that Molly isn't here. I feel like, you know, remember

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like George W. Bush had that Supreme Court vacancy and

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he went and selected Myers because she was literally the

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closest lawyer to the White House.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's what happened here.

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Speaker 2: You know, Molly, she walked to my office downstairs and

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was like, hey, so you know, hopefully this will this

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will walk out.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have immense respect for Molly, obviously, but

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I've actually followed you for a longer time, and you're writing,

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and I think that you're one of the best political

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writers in the United States. And I don't hand out

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compliments very easily.

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Speaker 3: So yikes.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the feeling is this is certainly mutual.

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Should probably start in on this love fest before we

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get into the meat of the Trump stuff or whatever.

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Because Mollie told me like she's like angry, she isn't

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here to argue with you about RFK.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's fine. I don't know where.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you stand on it, but I

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think it's the worst worst nomination probably and from my view,

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and for very specific reasons, which I've.

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Speaker 3: Laid out in numerous pieces, you know, the things he

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said and done, but also generally because.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he is one of the people who

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is moving the entire Republican Party to the to the left.

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And I, you know, not just because we're forgiving what

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he says, but we are immediately taking on the sort

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of language he uses about you know, agriculture and pharm

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on all these things that I understand.

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Speaker 3: Why we're mad about it and all that.

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Speaker 1: So we could get into a little more specifics why

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I don't like him, or I actually don't know where

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you stand on his nomination, so I wonder, I wonder

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what that's where you do.

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Speaker 2: I have very mixed feelings about it, Like I think

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I agree with you on a lot of sort of

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principled things, you know, and there's you know, there's all

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these statements in the past from him about abortion and

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vaccines and other things like that that do cause you know.

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Speaker 3: Concern for me.

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Speaker 2: However, a lot of these core sort of MAHA issues

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I think are like totally legitimate. You know, there's all

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these people that are saying, well, you know, RFK isn't

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being very scientist because he has these wild ideas about

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the food supply and things like that, and I just

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I think most Americans have sort of arrived at this place.

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Speaker 3: Where he is, where you.

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Speaker 2: Have like California granola moms and you know, anti corporate

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right wingers now are like sort of you know, as

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a horseshoe theory coming together on a lot of these

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big issues that he's been addressing that I think are

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really really key. So I like that he's out there

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on certain issues and making the case, you know, in

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other areas where you're trying to consider the totality of

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his however, many decades in public life and the things

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he's done and said, yeah, it looks very alarming. What

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he's done more recently in the last few years, in

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terms of him focusing his message and backing away from

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certain things is great. Oh and one other thing I

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want to say is that he's been very, very outspoken

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about the need for transparency at the NAGE and federal

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agency in particular, which I think is really really key.

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And I like that a lot. But yeah, I'm sure

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you're about to run down the you know, reams of

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crack pottery.

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Speaker 3: I won't. I think we can.

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Speaker 1: Let's all both concede that there's a lot of it,

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and it's pretty out there, right Almo. And I just

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want to preface this by saying, I actually think that

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heretics of his you know that or whatever you want

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to call it, conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 3: I think they serve.

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Speaker 1: They have a useful purpose right in in debate or whatever.

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You know, it's good to challenge, you know.

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Speaker 3: The status quo, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But he is predictable in that he embraces almost every

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conspiracy theory that's been out there. And that's fine. But

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here's the thing. If you're serious, I think about I

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think Fauci destroyed public trust. I am sympathetic to the

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people like RFK in that way. I get why it's happening.

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people out there who are serious. Who are you know,

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who signed declarations against COVID lockdowns or whatnot, who are

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transparency to the HIHS in the same way, who could

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who could actually help us and help public health in

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a way where I don't. RFK doesn't even have any

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kind of I mean it's someone was saying how quainted

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is to even mention this, But he literally has no

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background in running anything any organization really other than working

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with trial lawyers to you know, go after murk or whatever.

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Speaker 3: So I think that that's.

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Speaker 1: Something that's important. And also, you know, now he says

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he's you know, he thinks abortion it's a tragedy. You know,

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he went through all the issues, he walked everything back.

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I mean, why do we even have this kind of vetting?

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everyone can just say whatever Donald Trump wants to hear today,

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and and and be, you know, and and go through.

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I'm sure I don't want to pick on Josh Holly Holly,

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but you know, he would never have let this go

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with any other candidate, right, I mean, he would never

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let a judge go through whoever said anything that resembled

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a pro abortion comment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think those are all

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legitimate criticisms. However, and I mean I hate to even

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just like throw this out there because it sounds crazy,

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but I mean, I honestly think we've reached a point

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where the corruption and insanity of the American government is

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such that I mean, I want to like.

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Speaker 3: Pretend this is some like accelerationists or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, but like, I honestly have a hard time seeing,

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like on a management level, for instance, how RFK Junior

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could possibly be worse than like the status quote people

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we've had in recent years. And so I'm less concerned

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on that level. My My big concern is some of

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these things are so crack boughted that you know, he

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could you know, take the try and take the entire

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federal agency in some you know, crazy wild good ship

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goose chase on one thing, I will say those I

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mean slightly reassured and the reason and one reason why

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I am much more sort of relaxed about r FKS

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nomination is that, you know, without going to names and stuff,

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work to you know, NIH in the first Trump ternament

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other things like that, and and people who are now

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being considered to work correctly for RFK and our meeting

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with RFK and stuff like that. And RK seems to

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be perfectly fine surrounding himself with a lot of you know,

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sort of movement Republicans, and you know, he's certainly moderated

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his language on pro life stuff, and you know, so

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it seems like he's publicly trying to sort of align

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himself in ways where he can, and you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know him.

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Speaker 2: At some point, we've created this system where people that

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rather than sort of policy people. And a lot of

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what needs to happen, like my big hope for Hegxeth,

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you know again guy with no management experience running the Penticon,

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which is you know, a why should say little management

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experience to be fair to Pete. Hegseth you know, ran

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a small veterans nonprofit, well they medium sized veterans nonprofit,

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nothing compared to the Pentagon. My big hope for Pegsath,

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for instance, at DoD is that I think he's uniquely

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suited to fix the recruiting crisis, which is a huge,

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huge problem and that is almost as much a pr

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our issue as it is any sort of policy issue

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for the d D. And similarly with RFK, I mean,

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if you get big numbers of our public health problems,

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are you know, a matter of enlisting the American people

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into having much more sort of keen awareness of what

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they're putting in their bodies and how what their lifestyles

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are like and things like that. And I think that

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r FK is uniquely suited to sort of drive that

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message and doing the way that has brought appeal. You know,

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do drill NIH is not inconsiderable a source of policy

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in this country, and it controls Medicare for one thing,

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which is massive part of the federal budget. So uh yeah,

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there would be concerns on that level. I just hope

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that the career people in the political employee appointings would

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obviously stop him from doing anything crazy.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I am, I have some I agree.

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I don't think he's going to be able to do

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anything crazy. I mean, I think Trump would fire him

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if he did things that really bother most conservatives and

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Speaker 3: For me, it's just kind of the.

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Speaker 1: Normalization of that kind of person that is bothersome. And also,

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I hate the Kennedy is. I really hate the Kennedy

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a lot. Like I was a big Dead Kennedy's fan. Also,

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you know that drove it. But he that family is

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messed up. And listen, I hate to get into the

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personal life stuff, but he is not has not been

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a good person either, let's you know, and he's been

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really bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get specific about it, but as.

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Speaker 1: I noted on Twitter, you know, he's only driven one

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woman to the graves, who's basically average for.

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Speaker 3: The for Kennedy you know at this point.

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Speaker 1: But all right, I mean, I I don't actually know

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where I don't actually know where he's stands, you know,

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where the votes stand or anything like that. So we'll

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you mentioned the dead Kennedy is and also

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as a confirmed gen xer, I just want to go

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back to I just want to say, like it is amazing, Like,

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you know, the Dead Kennedy's with this big sort of

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anti establishment punk band in the Reagan era. You go

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to like as a jail Biafra's you know, Instagram page,

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and it is the most embarrassing boomer politics you've ever seen.

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Like there's nothing dangerous about it whatsoever, and like it's

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it's then they're they're pretending that like this is still

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radicalism in the year twenty twenty five. It's it's really

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pathetic to see this from like gen x icons, and

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I see this in all these other like musical people too,

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like like Thurston More's from sonicchis like Instagram pages, like

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he might as well be like putting up DNC talking points.

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It's just it's hilarious to me that all these anti

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establishment figures of my youth are you know, are now

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like fully establishment and pretending that they're not. There's this

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great line from the Humorous Joe Queen and where he

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says that the the baby boomers were not the first

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generation to sell out, but they were the first generation

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to sell out and then pretend they hadn't. And I

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feel that way about a lot of these sort of

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like gen x icons, And I guess like Thurst and

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole punk thing, and in the I rock.

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Maybe I'm retroactively making myself smarter, but I think it

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comported with my ideas of.

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Speaker 3: You know, do it yourself. You know, you don't need

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the government, you don't need.

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Speaker 1: The state, you know, the state, you know, basically libertarian ideas,

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I'd say, And now all these guys are always pimping

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for like more government, more state, more control, censorship, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 1: The only punk rocker I can think who is like

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a Republican was probably Johnny Ramone, right, I mean, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Johnny Remon was like a Fox News watching Republican,

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which was crazy to even contemplate. But also who, sorry,

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who else was I think there was some Well, Johnny

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stuff or whatever, and I don't think that, you know,

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but Johnny Rotten is doing probably just to get a

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rise out of people.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually a punk a punk thing to do,

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but it's pretty funny. But anyway, sorry, now that I've

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like this, you're what you're saying about how the Kennedy

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who circled the wagons around Ted Kennedy after he like

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murdered a person and then they circled the wagon around him,

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you know, William Kennedy Smith after you know, in the

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middle of a rape trial, you know, very public, you

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know thingu And but this is the straw that breaks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about the family coming out and like

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ripping him and call him a predator and all that. Yeah, yeah,

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after your family in public in any way, honestly, but

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it's especially in bad form when you're a Kennedy. Right

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like this RFK, I do not like the guy at all.

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Speaker 3: Offender of morality.

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Speaker 1: I think he's He's not high on the list as

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far as Kennedy's go, So no.

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Speaker 3: Not at all.

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my wife and I and I a forget which Kennedy

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like that or something like that. It was amazing, Like

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it was like in the neighborhood Lisser would be like

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Patrick Kennedy drove across my lawn again last night, you

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know on Capitol Hill. I mean, and like in the

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Capitol police would just come and you know, get the

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Kennedy and take him home or.

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Speaker 3: Whatever he drove.

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Speaker 1: I think he drove through a barrier once and then

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he drive up onto like Congressional steps when his car

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was like filled with pills and like the syringer I'm

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Speaker 2: Story really astonishing, like like literally a Kennedy congressman was

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like terrorizing our neighborhood. I think in his defense, he

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actually got sober and has been a big advocate for

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you know, uh, substance abuse problems and things like that since.

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just have Kennedy's terrorizing your neighborhood. As a matter of course,

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if you lived in Washington, DC, and you know, we've

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been dealing with the legacy of this family for you

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know how many decades now, you'd think, if for no

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other reason than he's the only guy keeping the Kennedy

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brand relevant after sixty plus years, that alone, you know,

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would at least keep there, you know, gravy trained, you know, running.

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be up this week as well. I believe I do

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wonder about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that she will probably I suspect

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because of the even though she doesn't have a ton

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of power, I suspect because of the foreign policy element

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that's going to be a big a bigger or more

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contentious maybe ride for her through the Republican side of things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this really comes down to this issue of the

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was the seven h two wireless warrants, sorry, warrants to

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you know, to survey what will warrants to survey wireless

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communications that she's been you know, sort of resolutely against

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her entire career.

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Speaker 3: And I think that.

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Speaker 2: The entire Republican base has shifted hugely on this, you know,

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especially post Russia. Gate and things like that's what they've seen,

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what the deep state has done to to go after

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people using these you know awesome you know powers that

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they have and probably shouldn't for political reason. She's moderated

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her kind of language on that, and I don't know

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whether that's enough to get some Republicans on board, but

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I think nobody's fooled. I mean, everybody knows she's against that,

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and I think that that aligns more with where the

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Republican base is right now. And also, unlike say RFK

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or whatever, Tulsi has gone through the process of like

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she's formally announced she's a Republican now, you know, she's

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shifted parties, and I think it actually is believable that

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she would, you know what, he might speak to the

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drift of the Republican Party left in a way you

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might not like, but it's very plausible that she can

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call herself a Republican now given her box.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she was always I'm sorry, no, sorry, I was

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just gonna say.

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Speaker 3: She was always a socially conservative Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like there's been an organic shift

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towards Tulsi within the Republican Party, whereas with RFK, I

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feel like Trump was like I like this guy now,

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and everyone's like, we like him too, you know what

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I mean, that's it feels. And also she is a patriot,

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you know, and I disagree, and I don't like a

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lot of the some of the things she's done in

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the past, but I think that there's a sincerity there

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and a consistency that you don't you know, you don't

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see with RFK. So that because people ask me, why

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are you not going nuts over Tulsey? Well, I might

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not like her, but I think people should get the

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cabinet they like if those people are you know, not

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authoritarian nuts or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Well, she has made some statements about Syria and Russian

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and other things like that where I see where you know,

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people don't like what she has said. I do think

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that they have made far too much out of this.

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was on that freaking no fly list. I mean, like

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it was really crazy. Like whatever you think of Tulsi,

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you know, in her opinions, she is at her core patriot.

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You may think she goes about it the wrong way,

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but it's just astonishing me the effort that's been put

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into trying to destroy her reputation simply because the you know,

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the foreign policy blob in DC thinks that she is

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a threat to their gravy train or whatever. And and

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a couple of occasions, and I I genuinely like her

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as a person and think she has the right, you know, motivations,

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whether you may agree with her or not. And you know,

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on top of that, I you know, she's you know,

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let' let's be honest, she's good looking and charismatic, and

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you know.

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Speaker 3: That will help a lot, uh with with things.

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Speaker 2: And and I think it's one of these things where

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she is popular among the base, and so that will

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make it a little harder for Republicans to to uh,

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you know, oppose her, unlike RFK, where I think people

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can just point to a lot of principal reasons to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. And she has, as you say,

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she's always been socially conservative. Obviously that has nothing to

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do with what her role really are very local, but

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it matters, I think, for for folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it matters for trust among the Republicans are going

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to be voting for her. I think and I think

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that that is a big deal. But it's also true

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that like you know, again, we have got to break

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the stranglehold that the National security apparatus and this kind

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has on Republican politicians. They do this thing constantly where

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they're like they and we've seen this, these things exposed

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as lies, you know, where they pull these Republican politicians

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into a skiff for whatever, it's called a secure facility

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and they show them all less terrifying information allegedly, you know,

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and say, if we don't you know, continue our warrant

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wireless warrant programs, or we don't do this you know

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this XYZ policy, or our agency doesn't get more money,

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all this terrible thing is going to happen. And we've

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seen that these threats that they've told politicians about exposed

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is lies repeatedly, but somehow they're still very effective at

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manipulating lawmakers that way.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure there are legitimate threats out there,

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just me personally, I mean seven oh two, and all

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different programs have been abused. That's clear. They've been abused

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and aimed at political opponents. They've been you know, they've

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been abused in a sense that they've been used as

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propaganda to undermine, you know, the opposing party and all that.

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Speaker 3: So I think we need to reform it at least.

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Speaker 1: But we've never even really had an open, transparent debate

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about how it works and what it does in Congress because,

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as you say, they just scare the crab out of

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people showing them, you know, supposed threats that have that

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have been stopped.

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Speaker 2: I guess, well, it's it's worse than that because the

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National Security Apparatus, you know, they developed this whole program

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to interfere in foreign elections, and then what we've seen

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in the last decade is them just turning around and

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using that same toolkit domestically on us as US citizens,

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to manipulate us with propaganda, to use these wireless warrants

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and things like that to go after you know, elected presidents.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's bonkers that were allowing us to persist.

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I'm sorry, you may not like Tulsi or whatever, but

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like I am voting for the wrecking ball at this

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point in time, with that National Security Apparatus has got

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to have major reform.

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically every FISA warrant they used on the

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Trump campaign back in whenever it was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

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were fraudulent right now and no one there was no one,

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There was no culpability for that. No one really paid

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a price for it. We don't really even know how

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it could happen, but we don't need to go down

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that rabbit hole again.

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Speaker 4: Now the Hollywood liberals are obsessed about looting. The watch

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and how it affects your wallet. Some of the Hollywood

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elites have threatened to shoot people who loot their property.

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Speaker 3: Where were they during the George Floyd riots?

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Speaker 4: Celine Dion didn't mind looting during Hurricane Katrina because it

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wasn't her stuff. Whether it's happening in DC or down

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on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 3: Be informed.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this, uh again.

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Speaker 1: I'll preface this by saying I don't think it's good

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that the country is basically run on executive orders. Don't

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blame Trump for it. I just think that there's an

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you know, it destabilizes the country. Every time some new

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person comes in, they change everything. It's not Trump's fault

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because most of his executive orders have just basically you know,

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run back, you know, pull push back some you know

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Obama or Biden executive.

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Speaker 3: Order and Son Johnson executive orders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lyndon Johnson on firm inaction, he is completely that's

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completely under his purview.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy he does that stuff. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think it's bad for America. We need more legislation.

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That's all Congress's fault. They've adoicated the responsibilities that literally

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handed it to the president on trade and emergency powers

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and stuff like that. But overall, you know, I've liked

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a lot of what he's done, and I think we

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want to talk about this especially. I liked his even

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though I wanted to ask you if you know more

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about what kind of power this has over states his

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executive order banning the mutilation of children, which is euphemistically

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called gender affirming care by the leftist media. What do

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you know if that has an impact on states? Can

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can can you ban it unilaterally?

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Speaker 3: That way?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. I mean, certainly a lot

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of what the state and medical systems do is they

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look for federal directives on stuff because they get so

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much federal money and they're so dependent on medic Are things,

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the Medicaid reimbursements and things like that, where the Feds

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do have a lot of sway, I haven't looked into, like,

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you know, a lot of the specific mechanics of this,

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but like, you know, for instance, the executive you know,

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the Biden administration cited you know, was it w A

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path or whatever it is the that you know, sort

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of professional medical agency that set the quote unquote transgender

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standards that turned out after you know, considerable investigation to

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find that they were like extremely politicized and not based

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on science when it came to you know, deciding what

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was appropriate for transitioning you know, you know, young kids,

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and so the historically the federal government's been very sort

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of deferential to professional organizations like that in terms of

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like and even cited them, whereas this order like explicitly

478
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says you know, this you know organization is not to

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be relied on for you know, standards and things like that.

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And I think it's just the issue like and when

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they get so much money slashing around, you know, from

482
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from the Feds. Mean, frankly, it shouldn't be this way.

483
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And then we know that's one of the reasons why

484
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our healthcare system sucks is that everybody pretends that this

485
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free market healthcare system is failing when it's been the

486
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fact of socialized for sixty years. And they probably like

487
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really reticent, you know, if you're a hospital system or

488
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things like that, you know, you're probably really reticent to

489
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sort of you know, have the gaze of the Justice

490
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Department or whoever the enforcement mechanism would be, you know,

491
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come down upon your NIH your NH grants or your

492
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Medicare reimbursements or whatever it is. And so just the

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sheer intimidation factor has got to count for something. And finally,

494
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just as a matter of of you know, politics, saying

495
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this stuff out loud, transitioning children that we don't allow

496
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to get tattoos or drink beer because there are laws

497
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that have age consent to, like surgeon can mutilate their bodies,

498
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you know, is not right. Just the actual fact of

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our government saying that out loud and confirming what you know,

500
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the vast, vast majority of Americans believe on this stuff,

501
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whereas it was the exact opposite. We had the power

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of the federal government going in and defending the priorities

503
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of this like you know, Springe minority that was you know,

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running the Democratic Party. That alone gives it weight, you know,

505
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in terms of what you're saying about your concern about

506
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executive doing a ruling by executive order, which you know

507
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I share, but you know, the trans thing is a

508
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really good example of how, you know, it's the president's

509
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job to sort of, you know, execute the law, make

510
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sure that the laws are executed faithfully right, and so

511
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much of this stuff was done, you know, through executive

512
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agencies that you know, have some sort of you know,

513
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five times removed authority from Congress for how money is spent.

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And so I think it's important that you know, we

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have an executive because things are so skewed, go in

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and look at what's going on and insanity like trans

517
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medicine or you know, the pause and grant funding and

518
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things that then say, is this the actual legislative intent

519
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of the spending that was originally authorized?

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Speaker 1: Chevron Doctrine was overturned and you wouldn't even know it right, right,

521
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You wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Even know it.

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Speaker 1: I just quickly I want to say, I just agree

524
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with you, and you know about the the the EO

525
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sort of represent a cultural shift, right, or a vibe

526
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shift or whatever people are calling it, And I think

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that reflects Trump's win, which I don't, you know, I

528
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consider myself I wouldn't even say conservative, but whatever, I'm

529
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you know, I'm considered a conservative. But I don't think

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this was a conservative election win. It was a normy

531
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win people who didn't like social science, quackery invading your schools.

532
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Speaker 3: And so on.

533
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Speaker 1: So all these eos I think represent that shift in culture.

534
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I don't think people really understood what was going on

535
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with children, the mutilation of children. I don't think they

536
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understood the number of children who were involved in this.

537
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You know, I just don't not be I don't. It's

538
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not that they don't care. It's just that, first of all,

539
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the media misleads them. But it's just not something you

540
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really think that deeply about all the time if you're

541
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a normal person walking around. But now that they do,

542
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I don't know anyone, including people who I consider liberals,

543
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who I'm friends with, who think mutilating children, Confused children

544
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with genda, disworry or whatever. Just confused children is okay,

545
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So that's what.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well I was just gonna say, well, while

547
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we're talking about this, so we should also mention that

548
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one of the things that Trump did was he pardoned

549
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that doctor in Texas, doctor Ham, who had exposed his

550
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you know, hospital for doing this stuff. And the Biden

551
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Justice Department is going full steam ahead and I'm a

552
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,200
complete quackery. Like they were claiming that he had violated

553
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hip laws because he had released documents when names redacted.

554
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I mean, it was like it was a ridiculous case.

555
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But I mean it was, you know, just really spoke

556
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to you know, Trump, Uh, the Trump dej dropped the prosecution,

557
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and it was just, you know, it was really insane

558
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920
how politicized this stuff is. And and and and that

559
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guy Frankly deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom for what

560
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he went through to expose that.

561
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Speaker 3: It's a true whistle true whistle blower there.

562
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Speaker 1: And you know what is amazing about all the executive

563
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orders and every not just executive orders, executive actions that

564
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I've never I don't think i've ever honestly, And it's

565
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,880
weird to say this about Donald Trump. I think it's

566
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the opposite of twenty seventeen when he first came in.

567
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:16,839
I've never seen an administration as prepared to deal with

568
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as many issues as quickly.

569
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Speaker 3: As he has.

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Speaker 1: I can't even keep track or keep up with what's

571
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going on. There's so much happening right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: So I saw this Twitter thread, I think it was

573
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from some liberal person whatever, and they were talking about

574
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somehow they had figured this out that the Heritage Foundation

575
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had done fourteen hundred FOIA requests on people in the

576
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federal government because they were planning for exactly this, trying

577
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to figure out exactly who is doing what in the

578
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federal agencies to like root people out and replace them,

579
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and you know, do these big, you know, executive orders

580
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targeting certain aspects of agencies or whatever. And they were

581
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like horrified to realize that like this had happened right

582
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into their nose. And you're right, like the preparation going

583
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into this this time is just amazing. Like I mean,

584
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I bet democratscerely wish that they had let Trump win

585
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
in twenty twenty at this point in time, like now

586
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,359
he's you know, three times, it's prepared him twice is

587
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pissed off, and you know they were certainly seeing the

588
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fruits of that.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an amazing transformation from twenty sixteen, where

590
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you know, he had all these basically had taken the

591
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,519
old time y Republicans and neophytes and all these folks

592
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into his administrations, was firing everyone left and right, and

593
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,759
everything was kind of a mess also because of the

594
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Rush collusion stuff. But this has been this has been

595
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pretty incredible. I'd say that, you know, I am staunchly

596
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an anti tariff guy. You know, I'm up and gree trade.

597
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,920
But I will say that the little thing that happened

598
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with Columbia the other day where they would take their

599
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own citizens back, Trump threatened them with whatever it was,

600
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twenty five percent terras and other some other stuff like

601
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you know, visas and things like that, and they I

602
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:02,720
think it was like a half an hour that I

603
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,640
read the next story that the President of Columbia was

604
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,240
sending plans, right, I think it was like.

605
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Speaker 3: Forty seven minutes or something before they back down.

606
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also incredible, incredible to me if what I'm

607
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seeing is true, that the level of illegals coming into

608
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the country right now, with the border has just plummeted.

609
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After all, we heard about how it was impossible, it

610
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was obviously it was a lack of will, if not

611
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,799
done on purpose. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but yeah,

612
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,680
sometimes I feel like you can't be that incompetent. You

613
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,599
just can't be that incompetent. And it's just it's dropped

614
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,359
and they've just basically sealed the boarder, not sealed the border.

615
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,039
But it's just incredible, and I think I think this

616
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is a driving reason why Americans like Trump. It's it's

617
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the it's the legal illegal issue.

618
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Speaker 2: One of the things that was like, you know, making

619
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me lose my mind over the last several years was

620
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
the media constantly referring to the great Replacement theory as

621
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some sort of like you know, well not some sort

622
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of like the flat out conspiracy theory, which you know, look,

623
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I don't know what you what you can prove is

624
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,559
going on behind closed doors or anything, but like if

625
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,799
you were looking for a rational reason to explain why

626
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what they were doing what they were doing at the border,

627
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like that was a perfectly rational reason. You know, clearly

628
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,960
if you look at what you know, the illegal population

629
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has done for congressional reapportionment at a time when you know,

630
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because you know, illegal legal immigrants are counted as you know,

631
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citizens for the purposes of deciding, you know, how congression

632
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:32,440
districts are apportioned even though they can't vote, at a

633
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time when people are flooding out of blue states. I mean,

634
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like even that alone was like propping up the Democratic

635
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,279
Party to some extent. Never mind, they're hope to have

636
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some sort of mass embassy down the road that would

637
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you know, possibly you know, help them in the future.

638
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,839
But yeah, it really is absolutely insane. I just saw

639
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a thing where it was like just a few years ago,

640
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,160
Democrats had like an eleven point advantage of our Republicans

641
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on immigration, and now, like for one of Trump from

642
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,759
Republicans have a twenty two point advantage over Democrats on

643
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,200
who people trust to handle immigration.

644
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: More even now, I mean, the entire left pretends that

645
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,480
rounding up people are illegally is isn't the norm, shouldn't

646
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be the norm, but also that it's somehow an American

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960
to say, follow the law when you come here. I mean,

648
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I mentioned this before, and I don't like to personalize things,

649
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,160
but I'm just telling you my parents are immigrants. No

650
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,839
one is angrier about illegal immigration than people who followed

651
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:32,839
the rules and came here, and it takes a long

652
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,519
time and a lot of efforts to do. Now, Selena

653
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,400
Gomez is crying, you know about it, and all that

654
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,839
was mockinger, and I get that, but I actually feel

655
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,519
sympathy for people want to be here. I would want

656
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,119
to do it too, but we have to have you know,

657
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,640
we're a sovereign nation and we have to have a

658
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,359
rule of law.

659
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,039
Speaker 2: And no, no country on earth would tolerate what America

660
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and people have been subjected to in the last four years,

661
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with you know, ten million plus people you know, coming

662
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to this country illegally. And I am even following this

663
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stuff online where all these liberals from Sunny Houston to

664
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people at the Cato Institute go being like, actually being

665
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in the country illegally is only a civil crime, you know,

666
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it's only a civil offense.

667
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Speaker 3: It's not actually criminal. Which so what's.

668
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Speaker 2: Interesting is is what the other thing people aren't accounting

669
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for is how the nature of illegal immigration has changed.

670
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It's my understanding that post nine to eleven, for most

671
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of those years, the vast majority of quote nquote I

672
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legal immigants are people that were overstaying visas. Whereas during

673
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the Biden years, all of a sudden there's millions of

674
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people just literally walking across the border. And if you're

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not going through America at a port of entry, you're

676
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committing a you know, federal crime. There's no question about it.

677
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And all of a sudden, all these liberals are trying

678
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,519
to split hairs and insist that what these the behavior

679
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,119
of this people isn't criminal, never mind whether even if

680
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,640
it's classified as a civil offense. Most Americans are hopping

681
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,960
mad about, you know, people that are here, you know,

682
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without you know, following the rules and respecting our laws.

683
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Speaker 1: It's also just because you found a shortcut and you

684
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can declare yourself a fugi or whatnot, doesn't mean that

685
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we have to now accept that every person who just

686
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you know, hits a port of entry can now do this.

687
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We have to you know, I think we need a

688
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:13,279
big reform or immigration. I'm pro immigration, but I really

689
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think that in a lot of ways, this lawlessness, it's

690
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,920
it's you know, I blame Democrats, but it also it

691
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,359
also plays into the hands of natives who don't really

692
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,319
want any immigration. Do you know, what I mean, You've

693
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,720
soured the American people on immigration because they make no

694
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,799
distinction between illegal and regular immigration, So then people will

695
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,519
hate all immigration make no distinction either, you know. And

696
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I just you know that bothers me as well, so Mark.

697
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,359
You know, Donald Trump has this ability sometimes to say

698
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,119
something that that that initially just seems bonkers or you know, outlandish,

699
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,200
but in I think because he's he's unfettered in the

700
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,720
way that he thinks by like the norms of policy

701
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,279
debate or whatever. And and these things sometimes turn out

702
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,319
to be completely true one or useful, i'd say, And

703
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:06,000
one of them the on Sunday last Sunday, Donald Trump

704
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,199
said that maybe it would be a good idea to

705
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,079
clean Gaza out, you know, of many of its inhabitants,

706
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,519
and rebuild it and get rid of hamas, and then

707
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,599
people can either come back or not in the future

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to a place that is, you know, like Hong Kong

709
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or whatever. But I don't think it's ever going to

710
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be like Hong Kong unless they find an ocean of

711
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oil underneath it. But he makes a great point, and

712
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,840
of course everyone attacked him, as you know, for ethnic

713
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,280
cleansing and this and that but I just wanted to

714
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,800
make this quick point that I think people might have missed,

715
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:37,639
is that most of the people live in gods, that

716
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,920
they're only around fifty thousand people in Godz At nineteen

717
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,280
forty eight, when the Israelis won their war of independence,

718
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,800
there are I think over two million people there now,

719
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:50,320
most of them consider themselves refugees. The UN has an

720
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,559
entire organization for seventy plus years for the refugees of Palestine.

721
00:34:56,039 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: A place that's never existed. If you're already a refugee Gaza,

722
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,280
why can't you live as a refugee in Qatar? Why

723
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,880
can't you live as a refugee in.

724
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: Egypt or Jordan, which incidentally is seventy percent of its

725
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,559
population is Palestinian because it is on land that was

726
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:16,400
put aside in the partition plant to be Palestine. What

727
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,960
he's saying makes complete sense. They create these refugee camps

728
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
for seventy years, which are really just bustling cities. At

729
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,599
this point, they're constantly starting wars. Wouldn't it make sense

730
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,320
for the people that they shouldn't have to live under

731
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,679
Hamas and sort of the tyranny of hanas Hamas, but

732
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,559
also the martyrdom and the wars that are started by Hamas.

733
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,599
I don't know, I made a little speek thank you

734
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:38,840
for coming my ted talk Mark.

735
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: Well, this comes up a fair bit, right. You know,

736
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,840
if what's going on in with Palestinians in Israel is

737
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,639
such an issue, why don't they just be absorbed by

738
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,719
all these surrounding countries that shared their religion and culture.

739
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,559
And you know, it seems obvious, right, I mean, it's

740
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,039
you know, Egypt's a pretty darn big place. You know,

741
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,840
Syria and Jordan are not small places either, and certainly

742
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,320
they could accommodate a lot of Palestinians who wish to

743
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,000
live go there and live freely, and they would be

744
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:18,400
a better fit than what's going on in Israel. But again,

745
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,039
these countries don't want these people either, no, I mean,

746
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,199
and somehow Israel is terrible for you know, doing their

747
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,480
best to accommodate them.

748
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: Well, Israel has Israel has over two million Arab citizens

749
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,920
within its borders who are afforded the rights that everyone

750
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,599
else is. And you know there's a history. I mean,

751
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,599
Jordan had a civil war in the early seventies with

752
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,880
the Palestinians and kicked them out then they went to Lebanon.

753
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,320
They ruined that country and started a civil war there.

754
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960
They have never recovered. Lebanon was once the jewel of

755
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,960
the Middle East. It was a great country. And Egypt

756
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,159
obviously is always worried about Muslim Brotherhood, and Ahamas is

757
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,639
an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. They don't want Palestinians

758
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:59,000
there either, so I understand why people don't want them.

759
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,679
But that's why I think. And by the way, I

760
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,320
don't want to compel people to leave Gaza. I want

761
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,920
to ask them if they want to and give them

762
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,280
a chance. I want to maybe incentivize them financially to

763
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,199
leave that place. There's nothing wrong with that, giving people

764
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,320
that kind of choice. But anyway, it just hit me

765
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,960
that this is one of the things that Trump will

766
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,719
say that will be immediately be dismissed by the Brookings

767
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Institution people or whoever.

768
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: But actually makes quite a bit of sense right well.

769
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: But by pointing out there are very specific reasons about

770
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,519
why say that people in Gaza, you know, can't be

771
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:34,119
absorbed by other countries too, also speaks to the fact

772
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,519
that you know, maybe what Israel is doing them isn't

773
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,280
you know, entirely legitimate if they're starting wars or whatever

774
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,320
wherever they go to. So it's just one of these

775
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,400
things where nobody wants to acknowledge it, right, nobody wants

776
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,719
to acknowledge that Palestinians, you know, you know who, let's

777
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,880
be honest, you know, voted for Hamas are responsible partly

778
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,119
for their own predicament. And as far as the quote

779
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,320
unquote refugee thing goes, you know, to some extent after

780
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,480
however many years, it's also a situation where, you know,

781
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,599
as bad as it is to be you know, compacted

782
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:06,840
in the gaza or whatever, you know, the it's not

783
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,880
just tamas. I mean, I think people have made this

784
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,480
status of themselves as the oppressed people like so much

785
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,800
a part of their identity. It's counterproductive, you know, after

786
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,679
you're in a quote unquote prison for so long and

787
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,920
you start to get fall into.

788
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: The walls, I guess.

789
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,519
Speaker 2: And their entire reason for being is to fight this

790
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Israeli state instead of look for more practical ways to

791
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,280
you know, have a constructive you know, you know community,

792
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,320
you know, civilization, whatever it is.

793
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,159
Speaker 1: I mean, the Arabs and the Soviet Union and others

794
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:41,559
of that nature created the Palestinian refugee situation. Most companies,

795
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:46,400
most countries, they bring people in and acclimate them there

796
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,840
and make them part of their community.

797
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,559
Speaker 3: You know, you had other large.

798
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,199
Speaker 1: Population movements like India and Pakistan and so forth. I'm

799
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,400
not saying it was wasn't bloody. It was, but it

800
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,480
you know, in the end, it sort of worked. But

801
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,920
they created this as a cudgel again Israel, and then

802
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,119
they created a monster that's actually turned on them, meaning Jordan,

803
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,760
meaning Lebanon, meaning Egypt. And now you keep telling these

804
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,320
people that one day, you know, they believe they're going

805
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,880
to return to Tel Avivan or whatever, Jaffa one day,

806
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,039
you know, they believe that, and until they don't, that's

807
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,760
never going to happen. So until someone explains to them

808
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,239
that that's never gonna happen, I mean, I think you're

809
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,719
going to be in a constant state of war, and

810
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,199
they're going to they're going to be in a constant

811
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:25,000
state of poverty.

812
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,039
Speaker 3: So anyway you want to talk.

813
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: About culture, sure, I have to say I I've been

814
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,280
trying to find a new show to watch and every

815
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,280
and it's I don't know if it's that I'm getting

816
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,440
older and I just don't have patience, but none of

817
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
them have stuck. Like I tried to watch Man in Full,

818
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,280
which is based on a Jeff Daniel show on Netflix

819
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,440
based on Tom tom Wolf novel which who I love,

820
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,400
and I just couldn't even make it through a single episode.

821
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,159
Speaker 3: I heard. It wasn't very good.

822
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a shame because you think Tom

823
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,960
Wolf would be you know, for you know, all these

824
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920
prestige television shows. And we talked about the source material

825
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,840
or whatever, you know, really you know, but for whatever reason,

826
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,800
that one just didn't work out.

827
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,119
Speaker 3: I don't know.

828
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: I just think Netflix original shows tend to be terrible

829
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,559
across the board. Have a very sort of specific formula

830
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,360
for how they do things on Netflix, and it's like

831
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,880
very algorithm driven and very dumb down, and I just

832
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:22,960
it doesn't work for me most of the time, but

833
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,559
it works for a lot of their audience.

834
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

835
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: One of the great, uh, one of my favorite novels

836
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,280
of all time is Bonfire the Vanities. It's just think

837
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,840
it's really captures New York in the uh, you know,

838
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,480
in the eighties and so on, and the.

839
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: Movie was terrible, terrible. Yeah, I got a whole character

840
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:40,920
changed the ending.

841
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: That's that's a novel that needs a TV series, you know,

842
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:48,239
like a prestige series with some serious people involved, because

843
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,360
it's such a great novel and such. You know, it's

844
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,800
just politically and there's you know, it's just amazing. And anyway,

845
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,840
I don't I honestly, I don't remember. I think I

846
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,360
read A Man in a long time ago, but I

847
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,719
don't really remember loving it or anything like that. So

848
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,119
anyway about you.

849
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as far as TV shows go, I've had

850
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,320
this sort of the same problem where, you know, Mollie

851
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,760
and I it's very hard for us to find shows

852
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,960
that we, you know, really like.

853
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: Mollie.

854
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: I tried watching this new show. It's on new show.

855
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,360
It's been around for a couple of years. But I

856
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,440
think the second season's either out are coming out soon

857
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,320
called Severance.

858
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw the first season, Yeah.

859
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,639
Speaker 2: Which is this like really high concept you know, thing

860
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,199
will be involving like people in this like corporate drone

861
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,519
environment but don't quite understand like why they're there, why

862
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,639
they're trapped in this building or whatever, and their memory

863
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,519
gets erased every time they leave office building for the day.

864
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,880
It's like it's like some weird dystopian sci Fi version

865
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,559
of the Office essentially or whatever.

866
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

867
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,079
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because you know, my wife and I have

868
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,559
steadfastly avoided, you know, corporate employment, you know, our entire lives.

869
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,000
That just doesn't like resonate as much with me. But

870
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:00,920
like I just and I and it's gotten great reviews,

871
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,199
and I think it's really well done. I just for

872
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,000
whatever reason, it just we just did. I don't think

873
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,760
it really you know, landed with either of us. Maybe

874
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,960
we'll watch some more, maybe we won't.

875
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: I watched the first season of that, and I thought

876
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,840
I liked it, But then when the second season came,

877
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,119
I'm like, I don't remember anything about the story. So

878
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,039
that tells me that it's really pretty vacuous.

879
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,079
Speaker 3: Or or you know, was boring in some way. Yeah,

880
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:21,840
so we tried that.

881
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: I haven't wasn't watching this in Molly, But I just

882
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,599
started watching this new hospital show, The Pit on HBO,

883
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,440
and it's done by David Wells, the guy that did Er.

884
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,440
It's basically like a more gritty, updated version of R.

885
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,079
I mean, it's it's such a formula at this point

886
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,599
in time. But it even starts no a while from

887
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,159
you know, the original Er and it's really well done

888
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:49,920
if you like that sort of thing. I mean, it

889
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,559
is not at all reinventing the wheel in terms of,

890
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,719
you know, what you would expect from a medical drama.

891
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,000
The one thing about it that like just sort of

892
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:02,039
drives me crazy is there these like little touches of

893
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,239
woke thrown throughout these things to see if these like

894
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,960
hard bitten, cynical doctors who are constantly seeing all these

895
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,519
terrible things, who you know, without it with without you know,

896
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,719
a moment's pause, refer to people as unhoused, you know,

897
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,800
like it's it's so insane, like you just know that

898
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,840
this would never happen in real life. It only happens

899
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,079
in the television writer's room.

900
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: And uh, there's a subplot I.

901
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: Haven't gotten too far and been listening to a couple

902
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,920
of episodes about some teenager coming in to get myth

903
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480
of Bristowe, and they haven't even explained so far in

904
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,440
the first episode what that actually is. You know, it's

905
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,960
it's the abortion drug, which, by the way, there are

906
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,159
horrific medical complications involving taking abortion drugs and bleeding through

907
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,239
your huhad home for hours at a time with towels

908
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,440
wrapped around your legs, you know, to have women.

909
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Amber Thurman I think was her name, the woman

910
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,360
they tried to blame Georgia's death on the Georgia abortion will,

911
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,280
actually died using that kind of.

912
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: Abortion drug, I believe.

913
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, some unholy percentage of people given myths for pristone

914
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,320
and sent home end up back in immediate care centers

915
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,320
or ers because of the you know, insane complications involving

916
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,679
bleeding and things like that. Never mind that they're just

917
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,920
diagnosing this stuff via telehealth now, and if you don't

918
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,199
do a thorough physical inspection, you have an a topic

919
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,320
pregnancy in some other things. And when we can you know,

920
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,119
hemorrhage to death in a matter of minutes as a

921
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:30,559
result of these drugs. I mean, it's just astonishing, you know,

922
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,280
the way that this stuff is handled. And you know,

923
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,840
I'm sure that this show is going to make this

924
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,960
a big cudgel, so I don't know, we'll see how

925
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,679
it goes. But having said that, if you liked Er,

926
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,280
you'll probably like this. The only thing is is the

927
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,639
difference between broadcast you know, television in the nineties versus

928
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:53,480
basic versus streaming services in twenty twenty in streaming services

929
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,400
in twenty twenty five is they show an unbelievable amount

930
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
of gore, and like, I don't know what the think

931
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,199
on this is. It's one thing if you know you're

932
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,239
going to be more profane or whatever as a result

933
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,679
of verisimilitude and you want the audience to buy in

934
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,880
when you get to a This reminds me. Also watch

935
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840
this show The Nick, which is Steven Soderberg's show about

936
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,679
New York hospitals around the tournament century. That's it's an

937
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,840
okay but not amazing show. But it's the same thing

938
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,119
on both shows where they show so much gore, like

939
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,719
it's like horror movie levels of gore, just as the

940
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,360
ordinary course of this medical drama, Like I'm an incredibly

941
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:36,039
you know, on what's the word resilient guy When it

942
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,280
comes to that sort of thing, I'm not bothered, but

943
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,320
you know, by hardly anything. And in terms of this

944
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400
sort of thing, I don't have visceral reactions and things

945
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
at all. And even I'm like wincing a little bit

946
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,280
having to watch this stuff, Like if my wife tried

947
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,159
to watch this like medical drama where like someone had

948
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,960
their leg be gloved on a train track like, I

949
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,760
don't know what they're thinking. They're just gonna be causing

950
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,320
all kinds of people to be turning out from the screen.

951
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: Watched some of the first episode, and when they had

952
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,760
that gruesome leg injury that they were fixing, I'm like, I,

953
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,199
you know.

954
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 3: I am not resilient.

955
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,559
Speaker 1: I like any kind of cartoonish violence I'm fine with.

956
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,000
But do I really need to see that, you know?

957
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,400
I maybe I will continue watching it because it seemed

958
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,960
like it might be an interesting show.

959
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: But I just was in the mood.

960
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,679
Speaker 1: It was really one of the most gruesome things I

961
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,360
think I've ever seen on television, right, I mean, you

962
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,760
know it probably Yeah, it's a very slick formula show.

963
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: That's That's what I'll say about it. It's not gonna

964
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,039
see anything new, but but like you know, if you

965
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:36,719
like that sort of thing, you're really gonna like it,

966
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,239
you know. And if you like those kinds of medical dramas,

967
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,159
it's it's far better than most.

968
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:45,039
Speaker 1: So I because I couldn't know show would click with me,

969
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,000
I decided to watch something I knew would be amazing

970
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,599
and make me feel great, and I watched rewatched My

971
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
I did my yearly rewatch of Michael Mann's Heat with

972
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Robert de Niro and al Pacino and what I love.

973
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,880
I actually don't think it's as great a movie as

974
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,039
everyone else does, you know. I mean, the plot's kind

975
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,039
of thin and all that. But if you like enjoy

976
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,360
watching al Pacino indiscriminately yelling and just you know, you know,

977
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,320
and being al Pacino.

978
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: I think that's the movie for you, you know. And

979
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:16,119
it was just a lot of fun.

980
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: There's something about the Michael Man esthetic, yeah, that I

981
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,960
just love to pieces, like, even when his stuff is

982
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,679
like less than perfect, you know, like the Miami Vice

983
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,639
movie for instance, It's just something about it that is

984
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,880
so like literally slick and enjoyable to see.

985
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Everything feels like there's that water has been poured on it,

986
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,440
or it's been waxed or something in It's kind of

987
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,840
monochromatic in a way too.

988
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,559
Speaker 2: I was listening to I think it was the Tarantino

989
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:51,280
podcast or whatever, or it might have been Joe Dante's podcast,

990
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,440
the film director, I forget what the name of that is,

991
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,119
but they were talking about Michael Mann and how like

992
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:59,039
when Thief came out, like and he really invented that

993
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,960
driving it l a at night esthetic. Like how like

994
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,280
every director for the next you know, five years was

995
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,719
ordering water trucks on sets they could slick down the

996
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,360
streets at night, you know, to reflect all the lights

997
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:11,880
and stuff.

998
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,199
Speaker 1: I love if the Tangerine Dream, I think did the soundtrack.

999
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,000
It has a real kind of you know, electronic feel

1000
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,119
or like like in the eighties. That's like it was

1001
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,840
almost futuristic to watch a Michael Mann movie.

1002
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,079
Speaker 3: You know.

1003
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Beef is phenomenal. You know, I even think The Keep

1004
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,159
is a little underrated. People really dumble on that film,

1005
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:39,199
and the Manhunter is just phenomenal if you haven't seen it.

1006
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,400
Manhunter was based on a Red Dragon, which was the

1007
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,480
the the prequel to Silence of the Lambs, and it

1008
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,079
was the first movie with Hannibal Elector in it, although

1009
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,519
it didn't start anything in the Hopkins had started. What's

1010
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,880
that great Scottish actor is Hannibal Elector? I forget his name?

1011
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:56,920
Was it Brian Cox? It was Brian Cox, That's right.

1012
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,880
It was phenomenal. And you know, the one sort of

1013
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,840
on Michael Man aesthetic movie he's done, although it's a

1014
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,079
little bit of that is the last the Mohicans, which

1015
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,719
I think people have forgotten how great That movie is

1016
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:10,079
I watched with my kids of a month or two ago,

1017
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,679
and it was just it's so good my kids. My

1018
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,400
kids were just like literally holding their breath that entire movie.

1019
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,800
I mean, it's so well out of that movie.

1020
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: Daniel day Lewis does a little he's a little fabio

1021
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,400
in that movie, So that's a loft putting. But in general,

1022
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,000
just I love those big, historic epic movies that you

1023
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:27,280
don't get a ton of. I mean, there was a

1024
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,800
Gladiator two recent that was just terrible, But in general,

1025
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,039
I don't think you really get enough of those anymore.

1026
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, if I think you're you're absolutely right

1027
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,960
about that. But but yeah, So speaking of watching movies

1028
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,880
with my kids, so to my big thing is I

1029
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,440
have two teenagers, right and I and my big struggle

1030
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,079
is finding movies that aren't like horrifically violent or sexual,

1031
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,159
but at the same time, like aren't made for like

1032
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,440
literal children that we can watch. You know, it seems

1033
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,320
like in the eighties and nineties they used to kind

1034
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,239
of make those films things that hadn't you know, were

1035
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,679
sort of toned down enough that you know, a whole

1036
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,360
family could watch them. And now it seems like everything

1037
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,400
is a cartoon or it is like R rated, and

1038
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,880
then some and there's like no in between. Some constantly

1039
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,199
a struggle for those sort of in between movies that

1040
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,079
I can watch in my kids. And I stumbled across

1041
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,559
a sort of like the perfect film in that category.

1042
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Have you seen The Majestic with Jim Carrey. It's it's

1043
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,519
it's a Frank Derebont movie, the guy that directed Shawshank

1044
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,559
Redemption in the Green Mile, And it was you know,

1045
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,360
he'd done he'd done a Shashank Redemption in a Green

1046
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,840
Mile right after a few years after that and he

1047
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,519
hadn't done a film in like three or four years,

1048
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,320
but he was still like one of the hottest properties

1049
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,519
in Hollywood because you know, as even today, the Shoshank

1050
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,360
Redemption is the highest rated film on the Internet movie

1051
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,400
to have data a base above The Godfather. Like people

1052
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,960
just loved that movie. And Frank Derebond, you know, speaking

1053
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:54,760
something as kind of a an aesthetic that people really like. Anyway,

1054
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,440
he made this film and it came out two months

1055
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,679
after nine to eleven, and it just kind of flopped

1056
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,239
at the time, and it started Jim Carre at the

1057
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Apex of his career.

1058
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: The story is about this guy who's a Hollywood.

1059
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,599
Speaker 2: Screenwriter who's sort of like a you know, he's at

1060
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,079
the top of his game in Hollywood, and he's you know,

1061
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,639
dating and an actress and like, you know, he's sort

1062
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,760
of cavalier about his life and all of the you know,

1063
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,880
sort of sort of self obsessed things he's doing in Hollywood.

1064
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,679
And he finds out he's you know, being implicated in

1065
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,400
the Blacklist, and he leaves town depressed that his career

1066
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,840
is over, and he ends up getting in a car

1067
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,760
accident and he ends up with them, washes up on

1068
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,599
a beach in California and amnesia in this small town

1069
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,199
and he doesn't have any memory of what happened. So

1070
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,960
the townspeople come in and try and take care of him,

1071
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:44,400
and he's immediately mistaken for this war hero that they

1072
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,199
thought had died in uh In uh that that was

1073
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,800
a boy from the town, and this town sort of

1074
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,360
takes him in and the entire film is Frank Darabout's

1075
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,920
sort of you know, love letter to Frank Capra and uh,

1076
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:03,400
I don't remember. Like it'd be interesting to go back

1077
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,840
and see why so many people kind of didn't like it.

1078
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: Like it's it's it's I.

1079
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,199
Speaker 2: Think partly because it is like so unabashedly pro America,

1080
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,599
like this small town and the way it's portrayed, and

1081
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,119
how like kind and supportive everyone in this town is.

1082
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,079
And you know, this sort of idealized version of like

1083
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,159
post World War two Americana, you know, in the late

1084
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:32,599
forties and fifties really was kind of a cliche twenty

1085
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,440
five years ago when it came or twenty four years

1086
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,920
ago when it came out, and I think a lot

1087
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,679
of people just sort of reacted against that. But now

1088
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,599
what's funny is two things coming on the other side

1089
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:45,679
of the anti woke thing. Like it's such a like

1090
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800
a there's got to be like a German word for

1091
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,440
like nostalgia for a time you never experienced or whatever.

1092
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,800
Like this idea of rebuilding America's conception of itself, Like

1093
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,519
it just lands so differently now.

1094
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 3: Even the Hollywood.

1095
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: Blacklist stuff, which always kind of annoyed me because there

1096
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,559
was a lot more merit to the Blacklist than people

1097
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:03,960
are willing to give credit for him.

1098
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,599
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys, I mean, if you only

1099
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,960
watched movies, you think that that was the worst moment

1100
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:12,199
in American, the world history the Blacklist.

1101
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: There was a lot many movies there was a lot

1102
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,400
more merit to the Blacklist, and people give it credit for.

1103
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,960
But the other thing is that the way but the

1104
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,199
Blacklist stuff, I think, you know, post the woke sort

1105
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,480
of Montenard and cancelation everything. It is the way that

1106
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,400
they portray people as being the victim of the Blacklist

1107
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,960
is such an indictment of wokeism now coming from the

1108
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,440
same you know people. And so the entire movie, I think,

1109
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,599
lands so differently than they did twenty four years ago.

1110
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,800
But more than it's just beautifully shot. It's like just

1111
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,760
wonderfully pro American and all the performances are great. And

1112
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,559
the other thing is that blew me away is the town.

1113
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:54,400
I started realizing it's the most beautiful town you've ever seen.

1114
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,400
This thing is filmed in and I realized at some

1115
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,280
point this isn't a set, and I looked it up.

1116
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,920
There's a town called Ferndale, calif that's like on the

1117
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,039
coast in northern California, not too far from the Oregon border,

1118
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:06,480
and like maybe an hour or so from the Oregon border,

1119
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,039
and it's has this most amazing American main Street you've

1120
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,880
ever seen with these beautiful Victorian you know, townhouses with shops,

1121
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,639
And it's just an incredible movie. And the script is great,

1122
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,599
the acting's great. You can, like, I think the most

1123
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:24,320
outlandish thing in the movie is Jim Carrey utters the

1124
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,840
word Horney at one point in time. I mean, it

1125
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,920
is just such a wonderful movie in terms of you know,

1126
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,599
being a you know, Frank Capra fever dream.

1127
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I don't remember.

1128
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,079
Speaker 1: I think I passed on it because the reviews are

1129
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:41,840
so bad and it just didn't look like something i'd

1130
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,360
like at the time. But you make such a great

1131
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,519
point about tea. You know, when you have teens, and

1132
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:49,280
my kids are older now, you know, they want something

1133
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,360
more complex, They want something more, you know, and any

1134
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,960
movie that is a little more serious usually has something

1135
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,960
in it you don't want your kids seeing. That's why

1136
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000
I think we watched Lord of the Rings trilogy like

1137
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:01,320
hundred times.

1138
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,079
Speaker 2: But well, I think but also it really gets to

1139
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,639
this sort of like pro American conception of itself. Like

1140
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,920
and what's interesting is because the way the black List

1141
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,519
is portrayed and stuff, you know, this is very much

1142
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,239
coming from a liberal Hollywood perspective, and yet it's still

1143
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,639
like resolutely pro American at the end of the day.

1144
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,559
And I think that's where Hollywood has gone like completely wrong.

1145
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,840
You know, you see this this thing where like the

1146
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,239
guy that the new guy that playing Captain America just

1147
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,599
the other day, I said something about like, you know,

1148
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,199
Captain America, you know, isn't I don't remember what he said,

1149
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:32,639
but it was like, you know, Captain America isn't necessarily

1150
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:35,320
pro American or something. You know, it was some ridiculous thing.

1151
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,000
And it's like Hollywood has gotten so far afield from

1152
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,880
this notion that yeah, we're liberals and we don't like

1153
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,519
a lot of things that happen in this country, but

1154
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,639
ultimately we think that this is a good place and

1155
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,880
worth saving to like wanting to just tear the place down.

1156
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,039
I remember think about this in terms of David Lynch

1157
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,079
when he died. You know, there was a great oh

1158
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:01,400
bit written for him at the Federalist and I'm so

1159
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,360
blanking on the girl whose name who wrote it. She's

1160
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,960
a mina something. Anyway, she made this great point, which

1161
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,719
was that you know, David Lynch wrote all this like weird,

1162
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:17,559
you know, very strange things, but the iconography of what

1163
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:19,719
David Lynch was doing with you know, all the diners

1164
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,280
and like the murders of the prom Queen and Twin

1165
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,039
Peaks or whatever and stuff like. David Lynch was a

1166
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,920
resolutely like pro American guy, even if he was dealing

1167
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,920
with a lot of like lurid subject matter in small

1168
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,280
towns and things like that. The problem with the luridness

1169
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,199
of Twin Peaks was that it transgressed against these wonderful

1170
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:39,880
American norms of communities coming together and the diners and

1171
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,920
the prom Queen getting killed or whatever. And I think

1172
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,480
that's what's really missing. And that's why the fact that

1173
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,760
you would see something like The Majestic made just twenty

1174
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,079
four years ago and see how far Hollywood has come

1175
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:53,079
on that it just hits you like a ton of bricks.

1176
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:58,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, most sort this happened. This happens also

1177
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,840
with Christian based movies. I find that, even though it's

1178
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changing a bit lately, as most of them are poorly

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made or poorly written or like bashing you over the head,

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where if you have a subtle movie that's pro America,

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it's much more effective. But Hollywood obviously doesn't like to

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make those kind of movies, and to David Lynch point

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is also incredibly I think.

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Speaker 3: I think it's on point.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about Wild at Heart, you know, and

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it's just like such an American movie. It's just about America.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: I like David Lynch a lot. Actually, yeah, no, I'm

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speaking of gen x icons. I mean yeah, I mean

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I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and so you know,

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twin Peaks and the blue Velvet and all of that,

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and then just hit really really hard. And you know,

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David Lynchin, I guess you lived in Idaho and some

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other places grown up, so he knew that place well.

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Speaker 3: And it's just June was pretty good man. I mean,

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the original Dune isn't terrible. I like the original Dune. Yeah,

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I'm with you on that too.

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Speaker 2: But speaking of family of like good adult movies, you

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can watch the Whole Family. David Lynch is a straight story.

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I've been meaning to show it with my show to

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my kids. It's this wonderful film. I can't recommend enough.

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It's David Lynch, but it is. I'm not making this

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up rated. G The story is when the radio agency

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called David Lynch to tell him that it had been

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rated g He said, I'm sorry, can you repeat that again?

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Speaker 3: And they were like why.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm never going to hear that sentence again in

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my life. And it's about this guy his brother gets sick,

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but he's too old and confirmed to like go to him,

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so he gets on a tractor and drives, like, you know,

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hundreds of miles on the side of the road. And

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it's based, I think, on a true story and it's

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just a really artwarming, affecting, perfectly you know done film.

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And I believe the story is that the main star

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whose name I'm forgetting. It's a well known character actor

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had cancer during the film making of the film and

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it didn't tell anyone and died shortly after it was made.

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Richard Barnsworth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the guy who had been Yeah,

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I'd been in a ton of movies and a good

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character actor.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Mark, I appreciate that you came on.

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Actually I like, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'd liked everyone to know they can email us at

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radio at the Federals dot com.

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Speaker 3: We love to hear from everyone. I'm sorry, you're gonna

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say something more.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I feel like I failed

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failed my wife. My office is directly underneath hers in

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the house from the basement, and I always know when

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you two are doing a podcast because it's not quite yelling,

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but I can hear her being very animated up there.

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And we didn't disagree nearly enough.

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Speaker 1: She we you know, I don't know that we argue

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enough either anymore. But I think now that Trump is present,

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we're going to have more chances to to go at it,

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because I mean, when the choice was Trump or Calmal,

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I think, you know, I had no real place to go,

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but now no I have. Now I'm in the uh,

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in the minority, I think. But America's not headed in

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a direction that I'm happy with. I just want to say,

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even though I like a lot of what Trump's doings,

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is generally speaking, I'm an anti populist.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, I'm, you know, pretty happy myself. So we'll see,

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we'll see this, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love when people that they they'll tweet

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me you mad, bro or cry more listen, I go

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to sleep. I don't think about this at all, Like

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you know, I don't worry. I'm fine everyone, It's gonna

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be great. This is a job anyway. We'll be back

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next week, hopefully Molly will regain her voice. It was

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great having Mark here. Until then, be lovers of freedom

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and anxious feel Fred