Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to that's that's Terence and Philip. That's everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey guy, he's flappy ahead.
Speaker 2: Mike Maharty, Oh yes, you made him Canadian?
Speaker 3: Hey guy, Hello everyone. My name is Dan Record. I
Speaker 3: am not Mike Mahardy.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Joining me is Mary kish Hi. And you may have
Speaker 3: heard a third voice there that Uh he's new to podcasting.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's new to podcasting, but I've
Speaker 3: never podcasted with him before. Certainly one Jeffrey Grub, Hello,
Speaker 3: howdy Audy.
Speaker 1: I don't wait to be introduced. I just talk on podcasts.
Speaker 1: I think that's a dumb rule. Everyone's going to hear
Speaker 1: you eventually. Who cares just talk?
Speaker 3: Do you think in an average day, Jeff Grub, most
Speaker 3: of the if you took all the words that come
Speaker 3: out of your mouth, are more of them into a
Speaker 3: microphone or not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, more of them are into a microphone. I don't
Speaker 1: like talking, actually prefer not to in life. I'd just
Speaker 1: rather not use this. The whole thing I have here,
Speaker 1: my throat and voice and stuff that could just go
Speaker 1: quiet for hours at a time, and then I podcast.
Speaker 4: I never shut up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe you save all your juice. Yeah, you're like,
Speaker 2: you're holding it all in.
Speaker 4: I save my essence for the people they demanded. Of course.
Speaker 3: Yes, Grub came in on very short notice here today
Speaker 3: because our colleague Mike Maharty had a wine emergency.
Speaker 4: Look, don't listen.
Speaker 1: I know he's a big wine guy and you like
Speaker 1: to make jokes and stuff like that, but you don't
Speaker 1: have to like, of course he's not having a wine emergency.
Speaker 3: No, his his sabon blanc was not the right degree
Speaker 3: of chilled. So he has been berating a somalier for
Speaker 3: going on two hours now.
Speaker 4: So we reached out, not a smallier's fault.
Speaker 3: Well, talk to Mike about it. He had some very
Speaker 3: specific and confusing things to say about it, but he's
Speaker 3: the expert. So we called upon Jeff Grubb to fill in. Uh,
Speaker 3: why did you talk about wine, Jeff Grub?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I had some wine at Disney World. At
Speaker 1: God was that at the Toy Story restaurant. I think
Speaker 1: Mike Maharty would have been very impressed by that. I
Speaker 1: don't remember which restaurant was, which restaurant it was, but
Speaker 1: it was good. I had a cab. It was the
Speaker 1: first one I had in quite some time. My opinion
Speaker 1: on wine is probably the exact opposite of Mike Maharty's,
Speaker 1: which is like, this is all the same. Everything they're
Speaker 1: doing here is just labeling in names and putting pretty
Speaker 1: pictures on the bottle, and in setting a certain price
Speaker 1: to make you think like this one's better than that one,
Speaker 1: because this one's fifty times as much, And.
Speaker 4: It's all a trick.
Speaker 1: And I love and respect that about like the wine industry,
Speaker 1: that they're able to do all those tricks.
Speaker 4: I think that's fun tricks.
Speaker 2: If Mike were dead, he'd be rolling in his grade
Speaker 2: ideas like I can't believe they've tricked people that they'll
Speaker 2: higher the price of wine nicer it is.
Speaker 1: I'm shoot, I'm shooting there. But there's lots of research
Speaker 1: about like that. There is no difference. If you do
Speaker 1: a blind taste test with people who claim to be
Speaker 1: experts and you and you have them taste it, they
Speaker 1: don't know which one is better, which one's more expensive.
Speaker 4: They always get it wrong. And then if you.
Speaker 1: Tell them what's more expensive, they're like, oh, of course, no,
Speaker 1: that's the one I actually liked, so and again I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: I like that there's a whole industry. That's just like
Speaker 4: all about the bullshit that is awesome to me.
Speaker 2: So you're just belittling, You're basically like, I love it
Speaker 2: that there's a bunch of idiots out clear two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars on a wine and can't tell the difference, Like.
Speaker 4: I am belittally for that. Good for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we were out at a team dinner
Speaker 3: when everybody was here in Minneapolis a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: ago for a game of.
Speaker 4: There or that. That was last week as of this recording,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we went to this restaurant downtown and Mike's
Speaker 3: looking at the menu and talking to the waitress about
Speaker 3: the different wine pores and having her bring it out
Speaker 3: and do all of his sniffering or whatever you do.
Speaker 3: And he was telling us like, oh, this is usually
Speaker 3: two five on the East Coast, but this is ninety
Speaker 3: two here, this is sex one, this is a great year.
Speaker 3: He was talking about the year and the vintage or whatever.
Speaker 3: And then I tasted it and it was good. You know,
Speaker 3: I've come barn up with wine now where it's like
Speaker 3: I like drinking wine, but I swear to god, it
Speaker 3: tasted like every glass of red wine. It tasted like
Speaker 3: the wine I had in church and Catholic school. It
Speaker 3: all it seemed indiscernible to me.
Speaker 1: It's like listening to a kid talk about Pokemon, where
Speaker 1: it's like they're like so into all the little details
Speaker 1: and they could tell you everything about all the power
Speaker 1: levels and stuff. But it's like, yeah, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you have this, and I'm glad you're happy, and.
Speaker 2: About all liquor or like what about like cheap vodka
Speaker 2: versus expensive vodka.
Speaker 1: Well, vodka is a tough one, becuz. Okay, that's another
Speaker 1: one where there's not much of a difference. So vodkas vodka,
Speaker 1: but you like, if you get really bottom of the
Speaker 1: shelf vodka, of course there's gonna be bullshit in it.
Speaker 4: But if you do vodka right, it's just vodka. But
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Like whiskeys and and that kind of thing, those there's
Speaker 1: a lot of difference there for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I drink a lot of Scotch and so I
Speaker 4: got right here.
Speaker 3: I got to Johnny Walker gold and so like I
Speaker 3: could now gold versus red versus versus blue.
Speaker 4: I could tell that.
Speaker 2: You would if if you did a blind taste.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, bonk has.
Speaker 3: Like when I was first starting to get these like
Speaker 3: nice bottles and stuff, I was like, all right, I
Speaker 3: want to make sure this is worth it.
Speaker 4: Here's the you know this one.
Speaker 3: Like we had just moved into our house and I
Speaker 3: got my first bottle of Johnny Walker Blue, which is
Speaker 3: supposed to be like the super nice one, and I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I just want to double check here.
Speaker 3: And we tested it three times with like Johnny Walker red,
Speaker 3: Johnny Walker Black, and then the blue, and all three
Speaker 3: times I was like, Oh, definitely that one. That one's
Speaker 3: way smoother that one's got.
Speaker 1: But you can't tell the difference between coke and diet coke.
Speaker 4: That's correct, Hey you Dan.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you know how you save all of your
Speaker 2: podcasting vocals he tastes, He saves all of his taste
Speaker 2: buds everything else. I'm actually not sure if this is
Speaker 2: an egg or a salad.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: It's a bit resource. You have to it's like an RTS.
Speaker 3: Yeah in my mouth.
Speaker 4: Mary.
Speaker 3: You know, Mike does talk a lot about wine, and
Speaker 3: we're both good friends with him.
Speaker 2: Do you let's talk shit about him?
Speaker 4: He's gonna hear it.
Speaker 3: Like, do you just do the like not blightly and
Speaker 3: because it means a lot to him, or are you like,
Speaker 3: are you like taking it in and thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to retain vintages and years
Speaker 2: of fancy wine. So usually when he's getting into the
Speaker 2: details of like this is a good year, I don't
Speaker 2: really know that, I will say, like, I've retained some knowledge,
Speaker 2: generally of wine. I remember someone telling me that twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Was a good year.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, if it's a broad piece
Speaker 2: of knowledge like that, I can retain that. But if
Speaker 2: someone's like, oh, this is a twenty bardo, I'll be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck that means, but I
Speaker 2: appreciate that he has that knowledge. I think I give
Speaker 2: it a bit more credibility than grub, Like I have
Speaker 2: recognized a cheap red from a nice red.
Speaker 4: But there is a limit to me.
Speaker 2: If I have a fifty dollars bottle of wine, which
Speaker 2: I consider an expensive bottle of wine, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 2: I could not tell the difference between that and a
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars bottle of wine. But I absolutely can tell,
Speaker 2: usually not always. I'm not even gonna say absolutely, I
Speaker 2: am I'm pushing it here. I believe that I could
Speaker 2: tell the difference between like Boda box wine and like
Speaker 2: a nicer bottle of wine.
Speaker 4: Right, there's definitely that is true for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like if you go to Kroger and
Speaker 1: you get like the eight dollar bottle of wine from Australia,
Speaker 1: that's probably you would have a hard time telling difference
Speaker 1: between that and a fifty dollars bottle wine.
Speaker 4: I think most people would. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: If we we've always talked about the idea of like
Speaker 3: where did a PAX panel or something like that, I
Speaker 3: think we have our PAX panel if we.
Speaker 2: I think it would be really fun to do a
Speaker 2: blind wine tasting and actually put your money where your
Speaker 2: mouth is. You think you're so fucking good, Like, let's
Speaker 2: see it, Let's see if you can. And you know
Speaker 2: what else I'll do. I'll do a blind cheese test
Speaker 2: for Dan, and I'll have like six different types of
Speaker 2: cheeses and you'll have to tell me what vintage.
Speaker 5: This Jed.
Speaker 3: Be really impressed, pull out the skittles and have me
Speaker 3: identify the flavor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 2: We could do a whole tasting board. I wonder what
Speaker 2: I could taste the difference of if if you're doing
Speaker 2: if Mike is doing wine and you're doing cheese and skittle.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like where I would feel
Speaker 2: confident that I could taste the difference between certain things.
Speaker 2: I'm not maybe Lacroix, Like I bet you I could
Speaker 2: taste the difference between all the la Croix.
Speaker 1: Would you be able if we do like the different
Speaker 1: kinds of of like the canned waters with flavored waters,
Speaker 1: would you be able to know like which brand?
Speaker 4: Do you think? I'm a Lacroix person?
Speaker 2: Ok, I think that I've done the Kroger brand soda
Speaker 2: water and I didn't like it, which is shocking. You'd
Speaker 2: think you would it would be the same, but the
Speaker 2: carbonation style is totally different than Lacroix.
Speaker 4: So I think I.
Speaker 2: Would be at least be able to be like, this
Speaker 2: is not Lacroix standard and I don't like it, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would do that grub What would you do? What
Speaker 2: would you taste tests? Will you feel like confidence?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I'm not like a like a
Speaker 1: super taster or anything like that. So when I'm uh,
Speaker 1: I'm eating something, I think I maybe it's the memory
Speaker 1: thing where it's like I eat it, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is good, and that's as much as I need to
Speaker 1: think about it, because in five minutes, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: remember what it tasted like.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like, can you have memories of taste?
Speaker 3: Like if I was like, Okay, what's your memory of
Speaker 3: the taste of a grape jolly rancher?
Speaker 4: Can you taste it?
Speaker 1: I'm very much just in the moment with that stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't I'm eating it right now.
Speaker 1: I don't need to think about what it tastes like.
Speaker 1: I know what it tastes like. It's there, and so
Speaker 1: when it's gone, I have not like put that stuff
Speaker 1: into words, which again this goes back to like why
Speaker 1: I think having all that extra stuff about wine is
Speaker 1: still kind of cool because people that don't build this
Speaker 1: stuff just because you're you know, they build this vocabulary
Speaker 1: and that helps them like have like a like better
Speaker 1: memories about the things they're tasting. It helps them remember
Speaker 1: the which ones they like and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: just don't have the habit of doing that with almost anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just in the moment I like this or I
Speaker 1: don't like it.
Speaker 4: It's very Buddhist.
Speaker 2: I mean, good for you for like living in the moment,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's more like a mental defect where
Speaker 1: it's the ADHD, where I just.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, ahead, I'm not gonna remember it anyhow, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: Then it's finally so much said it.
Speaker 2: Finally of course, yeah, I know, remember good exactly.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I got bad brain, and I
Speaker 4: saw I'm just gonna be like, fucket whatever.
Speaker 2: He's so ahead of his time.
Speaker 4: We're just talking about food.
Speaker 3: And it made me just realize that, uh, I am
Speaker 3: in a like Domino's death spiral right now where I
Speaker 3: can't you know, I'm now going.
Speaker 4: To buffaloed me entirely.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll explain, and I don't know how to get
Speaker 3: out of this Dominoes. I get enough to where I
Speaker 3: got two enough things to redeem a free pizza, right,
Speaker 3: I got my Domino's points, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: oh sweet, I'll just you know, the Wrestling Paper view
Speaker 3: is coming up. I'll I'll just order a pizza for myself.
Speaker 3: I can get one of those little thin crust ones
Speaker 3: that's not too crazy to eat by yourself. Then you
Speaker 3: go to order it, but there's a delivery minimum of
Speaker 3: ten dollars, and so it's like, all right, well, I
Speaker 3: guess I gotta throw on like another.
Speaker 4: Pizza sticks and then well, I don't know the mac
Speaker 4: and cheese. Well they got the new mac.
Speaker 3: And cheese stuff, the five cheese mac and cheese would
Speaker 3: just do it, but that's like seven dollars. So I
Speaker 3: wound up getting to redeem my free pizza. I got
Speaker 3: two pizzas and a macaroni and cheese and the only
Speaker 3: thing I got free was the one pizza, So I
Speaker 3: get it. You have three pizzas well. This started like
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, is when that first happened.
Speaker 3: And then they had the emergency pizza gimmick where if
Speaker 3: you buy a pizza.
Speaker 4: There's a fun thing on the app.
Speaker 3: They've gamified it where they have like an in case
Speaker 3: of emergency break glass thing on the app and it's
Speaker 3: super fun. And this is not a paid gig. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a bad situation. This is not an endorsement
Speaker 3: for Dominoes. You get to press the thing and it
Speaker 3: says in case of emergency break for pizza, and you
Speaker 3: break it them like yay, pizza but ordered delivery minimum,
Speaker 3: so have to do it again and get extra pizzas
Speaker 3: against you.
Speaker 4: On Saturday.
Speaker 3: I did that Saturday, I only had McDonald's and Dominoes,
Speaker 3: and now I have another emergency pizza ready to redeem.
Speaker 4: But I need to buy more pizzas to redeem that.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, this is how it works, right, This
Speaker 4: is just plausing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it always reminds me of like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite marketing things, well not even market was like
Speaker 1: a legal thing. When Nintendo lost a lawsuit, they made
Speaker 1: a deal with the court and be like, what if
Speaker 1: we pay back the customers that we basically screwed over
Speaker 1: by doing out that we scammed, Right, what if we
Speaker 1: gave them all a five dollar coupon that will just
Speaker 1: put in the like we'll print it in a newspaper
Speaker 1: and they can go use it at any store to
Speaker 1: buy any Nintendo product they want with a five dollars
Speaker 1: off coupon. So basically to pay people back they had,
Speaker 1: they forced people to have to give Nintendo money, And
Speaker 1: it was like this incredible maneuvering of like they lost,
Speaker 1: and yet they still came out on top, and significantly
Speaker 1: so because people to spend like forty five to fifty
Speaker 1: five dollars to like use their five dollars coupon.
Speaker 2: That's so smart actually for an advertising I'm amazed though
Speaker 2: that the judge was like I'll allow it, you know,
Speaker 2: like they should have put their foot down on there,
Speaker 2: like when it's a class action lossuit, Like the next
Speaker 2: time someone slips and falls, the doctor's like, good news,
Speaker 2: you get two thousand dollars off your next forty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars back surgery.
Speaker 4: Exactly, I can't afford not to.
Speaker 3: It's like you'll get those emails from time to time
Speaker 3: from I always get it from best Buy, and I
Speaker 3: rarely ever go to best Buy and it's be like, hey,
Speaker 3: so here's your five dollars reward thing for this month.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I guess I gotta go to
Speaker 3: best Buy. I gotta buy something now otherwise just throwing
Speaker 3: money in the garbage. But then it's like, there's nothing
Speaker 3: you're buying that just five hour we get a couple
Speaker 3: of packs of bubblegum here at the no like you
Speaker 3: have sing yeah yeah, yeah, so that shit actually works
Speaker 3: pretty well.
Speaker 4: Or maybe I'm just stupid. No, you're just a mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think they would do it if
Speaker 2: it wasn't effective, right, So I thank you. You are
Speaker 2: getting bamboozled, but you are one of many people who
Speaker 2: get bamboozled, and we are in the bamboozle season. It's
Speaker 2: it's uh Thanksgiving, it's Black Friday. This is the time
Speaker 2: where people are doing Christmas shopping. And it's kind of notorious.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of like YouTube videos that will
Speaker 2: show this. But you'll see a target video of someone
Speaker 2: walking around, it'll say Black Friday, sale price fourteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: usually twenty dollars, and if they pull the thing back,
Speaker 2: it's just usually on sale for fourteen ninety nine, and
Speaker 2: so they've just put a sticker over it that says
Speaker 2: black Friday. But it's the same deals that they always have, right,
Speaker 2: And so like a lot of this is a part
Speaker 2: of the brain chemistry of it's on sale, this is
Speaker 2: the perfect time I should get it right now. It's
Speaker 2: on sale, and you impulse buy a new TV that
Speaker 2: you did not need.
Speaker 4: And people really really love that shit.
Speaker 1: Because I remember when jcpenny, the Apple store guy took
Speaker 1: over jcpenny for a while, and his first thing was,
Speaker 1: we're going to simplify the stores you're going to, Like,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be colored sections, and when you go in
Speaker 1: that section, when you see a color, you just know
Speaker 1: that thing's going to be that price. And it's not
Speaker 1: going to be eighteen ninety nine, it's going to be
Speaker 1: nineteen dollars nineteen zero zero. It's going to be so simple.
Speaker 1: And we're not gonna have cupe ons. We're gonna have gals.
Speaker 1: You gonna know what you're gonna pay when you walk
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 4: And people hated it, hate where are my sales?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're They love sales because they think that the
Speaker 1: people want to think they're getting one over on the companies.
Speaker 1: If they think that they are taking advantage of the company,
Speaker 1: they'll spend so much more money and people and people
Speaker 1: like you could tell them that and they don't care. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I still want that feeling.
Speaker 3: I'm with the people on this. Yeah sure, yeah, feeling
Speaker 3: like I'm getting one over. I mean, I miss I
Speaker 3: think I think we've lost something in recent years with
Speaker 3: Black Friday not being what it once was.
Speaker 4: I remember I would always go back like Black Friday,
Speaker 4: yeah too.
Speaker 3: My sisters and I would always have a dumb ass
Speaker 3: like gaming thing where it's like, all right, Mario three
Speaker 3: D World just came out, So we're just gonna like
Speaker 3: huddle around the WIU all night. And my mom made
Speaker 3: a bunch of this pineapple vodka shit, and uh, the
Speaker 3: last one on the flagpole at the end of every
Speaker 3: level has to take a shot.
Speaker 4: And we would do this for like eight hours and
Speaker 4: just be tanked.
Speaker 3: And then early in the morning, just like you know,
Speaker 3: wake mom up or whatever ever, take us the best
Speaker 3: Buy and she sleeps from the car and me, Katie
Speaker 3: and Kayla like running there and we try to get
Speaker 3: our savings and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I got Daniel Dwyer mixed up with this one year
Speaker 1: we played a fun time we played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess they don't have Thanksgiving in Ireland, and yes.
Speaker 2: That's correct. It tends to be more of an American holiday.
Speaker 4: They're just not very thankful people over there.
Speaker 2: What it is, Yeah, they have no thanks at all.
Speaker 2: The Dictionary thank people over there.
Speaker 1: It's all gray and rainy. They're just Yeah, So we
Speaker 1: had a cultural exchange. I guess it's not an exchange.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just me showing him stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: cultural cultural imperialism.
Speaker 5: You just.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 3: I took Daniel Dowar to Kansas Is one Thanksgiving. He
Speaker 3: slept on Paul Rekerd's floor, which at the time I
Speaker 3: think had to treat dead wasps all over it, and
Speaker 3: then we'd get up in the morning and go. I
Speaker 3: took him to Walmart Black Friday morning. I've got a
Speaker 3: picture of Daniel Dwyer give him the double thumbs up
Speaker 3: in front of a Walmart while it's still dark outside,
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is here, Danny, this is America.
Speaker 4: This is the most American thing you can do.
Speaker 2: What did it die?
Speaker 3: I think he bought like a novelty T shirt and like,
Speaker 3: I think we got something stupid on DVD or Blu
Speaker 3: ray that was on sale.
Speaker 4: That was a real shopper. No, get a TV. Come on,
Speaker 4: I've done the TV thing. I'm sure get a TV.
Speaker 4: What a bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to fight someone and just bring out
Speaker 2: a trolley of crap you don't need.
Speaker 4: That's the way. Uh Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so he got to see that and like that
Speaker 3: was just like the thing. Me and my sisters it
Speaker 3: all the time. Now it's like all they start doing
Speaker 3: it two weeks early and I see all these things,
Speaker 3: like seeingn dot com being like, we checked all eight
Speaker 3: hundred deals on Amazon and here's the sixty that matter.
Speaker 3: And she's like, it's just a bunch of fucking robo
Speaker 3: vacuums and like Dyson's and it's like, We're good.
Speaker 4: I'm exciting anymore. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I definitely like we would find the right store and we,
Speaker 1: like me and Steph early when we were dating, we'd
Speaker 1: be like the Target on Ohio State campus. No one
Speaker 1: everyone goes home for Thanksgiving, no one's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: We went there and it was basically dead, and we
Speaker 1: got all these great deals and we felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got one over on them. We figured something out.
Speaker 1: So just like feeling like you cracked the code a little.
Speaker 4: Bit was always exciting.
Speaker 1: And you know, you always see the horror stories of like, oh,
Speaker 1: people getting trampled and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It was never like that.
Speaker 1: There was always like orderly lines for me and I
Speaker 1: would just like sort of a calmly, serenely walk through
Speaker 1: store and like look for stuff while you know, Steph
Speaker 1: went to go get the one specific thing she was
Speaker 1: at the store for. I have fond memories of Black Friday.
Speaker 3: I worked at a game stop for a couple of
Speaker 3: Black Fridays, And I did work at the best Buy
Speaker 3: for one Black Friday. And I will say, on the
Speaker 3: working side of things, it is a I believe that, Yes,
Speaker 3: game Stop was never as bad. They didn't go as
Speaker 3: wild with it like best Buy. I feel like was
Speaker 3: ground zero for that type of stuff. So like if
Speaker 3: you were working register, which I wasn't Best Buy, it's
Speaker 3: like you're gonna I think they would do time and
Speaker 3: a half at least. But those were long fucking days
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what like like before these jobs, like an every
Speaker 1: man person kind of job, Like, what was the worst
Speaker 1: day or worst kind of event that would happen at
Speaker 1: your jobs?
Speaker 4: My dad was Subway five dollars foot long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it wasn't did It used to be not
Speaker 2: when I was sixteen.
Speaker 4: Really it was a specialty.
Speaker 2: It wasn't five dollars. This was like Subway has been
Speaker 2: on a long trajectory of like, crap, we need to
Speaker 2: do some kind of gimmick, right, Yes, the foot long cookie.
Speaker 4: Cookie is the number one gimmick in my heart.
Speaker 2: One of them was five dollars foot longs all the time.
Speaker 2: But back in the day it was a specialty.
Speaker 4: Promo.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, you don't remember those commercials five dollars, but
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 4: I used to go with the dollar five.
Speaker 1: Dollars Marin arrows for five bucks, Like yeah, they did
Speaker 1: it all the time eventually, And that's actually one of
Speaker 1: the reasons they're in such a shitty position right now,
Speaker 1: because everyone got that song stuck in their head and
Speaker 1: they go there like you are, like fifteen dollars, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Until like everyone's like these things
Speaker 1: should be five dollars. But yeah, when I used to
Speaker 1: work at Subway, long before there was ever any five
Speaker 1: dollars foot long thing, so I didn't know what that
Speaker 1: was like, was it like was it really actually you
Speaker 1: get busy and like there are like long lines and stuff.
Speaker 2: People just it was just busier than you had want.
Speaker 2: I mean, I also have to express like I am
Speaker 2: a that was my first job. I was fifteen when
Speaker 2: I worked at Subway. An ideal day at Subway was
Speaker 2: no one coming in on five dollars foot long week
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's not like we had a line out
Speaker 2: the door. It was just busier. And it's just like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to serve any of these people because
Speaker 2: I want to be high.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: I was a bad person and I didn't want to do.
Speaker 1: All those feelings sound very familiar of working at Subway.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get you your seafood sub like
Speaker 2: I don't want to. So yeah, any person that went
Speaker 2: in would piss me off, and it was a very
Speaker 2: popular time. Plus I just feel like sale people. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try to say this nicely, because I think there's
Speaker 2: obviously nice sale people, but there's something about sales that
Speaker 2: can bring out the absolute worst. And oh yeah when
Speaker 2: they're getting a deal, and all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 2: just like I want extra this, and I want extra that,
Speaker 2: and I want you know, are you making it properly?
Speaker 2: And it's just like it's five dollars, it's not worth
Speaker 2: you crawling up my ass about how much food is
Speaker 2: on this fight And it's obviously it's a foot long
Speaker 2: sub it's a lot of shit in your body you
Speaker 2: don't need any more. And so like they would constantly,
Speaker 2: like I got, I would get in fights with people
Speaker 2: about it. Again, I was a bad fifteen year old child,
Speaker 2: but like I have like vivid memories of a person
Speaker 2: being like I want extra parmesan cheese, and so I
Speaker 2: would sprinkle the stupid parmesan cheese. It came out of
Speaker 2: the cup with the holes punched in it. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: then he was like, he said I would like this.
Speaker 2: I said extra cheese. Can you put extra on there?
Speaker 4: And so I was like, Jesus, chut chut chut chut chut.
Speaker 2: Chut against the whole thing, and he said it again,
Speaker 2: I really mean it when I say I want extra
Speaker 2: And so I said, can you hit the extra cheese button?
Speaker 2: And he was like, you can't make me pay for
Speaker 2: extra cheese. It's parmesan cheese.
Speaker 4: That's cheese.
Speaker 2: That's that one's free. It's extra cheese if it's like
Speaker 2: one the squares. And I said, it's cheese, parmesan cheese,
Speaker 2: and you ask for extra cheese, so you're getting the
Speaker 2: extra cheese button. And he was just like, you could
Speaker 2: take that sub and shove it up your ass and
Speaker 2: I was like, and then manager pulled me in the
Speaker 2: back and said I wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: I would kill for the CCTV footage of security footage
Speaker 1: of the Ohio subway, Mary screaming and some just roundhouse
Speaker 1: kicking a middle aged man asking for parmesan cheese.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three times, Mary? How pist would you be if?
Speaker 3: Have you seen the like the the Chipotle hack people
Speaker 3: were doing sometimes this year where it's like they're filming
Speaker 3: grab Have you heard of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, they're filming so they would get extra. Yeah,
Speaker 4: wouldn't you be furious?
Speaker 1: I'm just oh, fuck, you just order your food like absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be you don't.
Speaker 4: Make enough money. Uh, That's how I feel every time
Speaker 4: these places.
Speaker 2: Industry job to deal with money? No, absolutely not. And
Speaker 2: I think a service industry job is very valuable. I
Speaker 2: think every person, of course, should work a service industry job.
Speaker 2: There's lots of different you can have as your first
Speaker 2: job that our shit, that would give you character. But
Speaker 2: there's nothing like doing a service industry job, and I've
Speaker 2: done a lot of them. I also worked at Texas
Speaker 2: Roadhouse and I'm at a lot of dickheads there as well.
Speaker 2: And it will change your mind tremendously when your food
Speaker 2: is overcooked or whatever, how you treat the server who
Speaker 2: is doing their best and does not make a lot
Speaker 2: of money to hear you complain that your broccoli is
Speaker 2: over steamed. That did happen? And I remember like just
Speaker 2: being like my dude, we put it in a microwave.
Speaker 4: That's how it's made.
Speaker 2: There are plastic baggies filled with broccoli and we put
Speaker 2: them in a microwave for forty five seconds. That's how
Speaker 2: your vegetables are made. At Texas Roadhouse, I will give
Speaker 2: away that industry secret.
Speaker 4: And I think it's.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous that, like I was getting the brunt of that
Speaker 2: you're at a Texas Roadhouse. That's what you're getting. You're
Speaker 2: getting bagged broccoli.
Speaker 4: Don't be a dick to me.
Speaker 2: And I just I that forward for everyone, not just
Speaker 2: the stupid Chipotle people with their phone, but also someone
Speaker 2: who goes to a Starbucks and orders a very specifically
Speaker 2: unique drink that probably takes five to ten minutes when
Speaker 2: there's a long line, Like, be reasonable with these poor people.
Speaker 4: They're doing their best.
Speaker 2: They like there's drinks that have like twenty.
Speaker 3: Steps that would kill me because like there were, Because
Speaker 3: I have so much empathy for anyone in like the
Speaker 3: service industry, because like my mom was a waitress. Grown up,
Speaker 3: I worked at call centers and retail jobs. My whole
Speaker 3: dad's side was all grocery store employees and stuff. So like,
Speaker 3: I'm very, very empathetic with all that. But I found
Speaker 3: out like the early twenty tens that if you go
Speaker 3: to Chipotle there's a secret menu thing you can order.
Speaker 3: And it was before Taco Bell called the thing a
Speaker 3: case arito. This was a revelation at the time where
Speaker 3: if you're asking, they could open up a tortilla, put
Speaker 3: a shitload of cheese in it first, and then make
Speaker 3: the real burrito inside of that. So there's a layer,
Speaker 3: it's like a double decker, like cheese in it. Good
Speaker 3: as hell. And so I tried it when I heard
Speaker 3: about that on Facebook or whatever back in the day,
Speaker 3: and it was delicious. But it was such a thing
Speaker 3: where every time I'd go in, I'd just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: is there anyone behind me?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: Do they seem stressed? There's a seam are they trying
Speaker 3: to clean out? Conditions would have to be perfect to
Speaker 3: be like, everyone's smiling, there's nobody else in this place.
Speaker 3: I would like this case a rito, please, and I'd
Speaker 3: be like apologetic order like, Hey, no big deal.
Speaker 4: If you can't, I'll pay extra if you need to
Speaker 4: or whatever. But he ordered the case, so rita out
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 2: You do want to do it right. I will remember
Speaker 2: like vividly, when I was in school and we went
Speaker 2: to Chipotle, one of the coolest It wasn't really a hack,
Speaker 2: but just ordering double protein.
Speaker 4: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's changed that much, but back
Speaker 2: in the day, there was like three people. Right there
Speaker 2: was the person who put the meat and yeah beans
Speaker 2: on it, and then it went to the vegetable person,
Speaker 2: and then it went to the cashier person. And sometimes
Speaker 2: in that transfer they didn't know you got double meat.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: To me, that's a victimless crime. I am not hurting anyone.
Speaker 2: Nobody has been impacted or offended, and the company lost
Speaker 2: a little bit of double meat, Like fuck you that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great one.
Speaker 4: So fantastic.
Speaker 3: Double cheese at Subway is the same way I would
Speaker 3: always get double cheese like ge pepper Jack and Monzirella.
Speaker 2: I know you would never get by me.
Speaker 4: It's a real sandwich artists you're dealing with here. No
Speaker 4: way I took it.
Speaker 2: I didn't tate it seriously at all. I was such
Speaker 2: a bad employee in every every conceivable way. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't because like it wasn't because of anything outside of
Speaker 2: just general teenage apathy, like I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: be good at a job.
Speaker 3: See, I was like aggressively shitty, So I think I
Speaker 3: might have been worse than you. I used to do
Speaker 3: this thing when I worked at the concession stand at
Speaker 3: AMC where I would like to.
Speaker 4: Entertain myself. I guess I would do this little test.
Speaker 3: With my friends where it's like there's the nuclear like
Speaker 3: orange like dust that you put in the popcorn. Right,
Speaker 3: so for every like load of hoopcorn in the popper,
Speaker 3: you put one level scoop in there, and that's already
Speaker 3: very salty seasony.
Speaker 4: You know it, you taste, it burns your tongue. You
Speaker 4: know when you say nuclear dust, it's just salt.
Speaker 3: It's just like that orange magic popworn dust or whatever
Speaker 3: it is called. Yeah, hang on, I'll look it up here.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like largely salt.
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, there's a kind of just
Speaker 1: a special kind of on the It was yeah, bright orange,
Speaker 1: and so I would like, you know, okay, so this
Speaker 1: one showing this movie, we got a rush here, Let's
Speaker 1: try it with one and a half scoops and see
Speaker 1: if anyone comes back.
Speaker 3: No one came back all right next, rush do two scoops.
Speaker 3: By the time I'm getting to like four scoops of
Speaker 3: this ship, that like one is overkill. Then it's like
Speaker 3: all right. That always like try to find the line
Speaker 3: where people would come back and be like, my mouth
Speaker 3: is on fire.
Speaker 4: This is awful. What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 1: So flavor It's called flavor call and it's this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the extra extra extra salty salt. It's crazy. You should
Speaker 1: actually order some right on your popcorn at home. It
Speaker 1: really does make it different.
Speaker 4: I have not thought of that word in yeah, twenty
Speaker 4: five years. Yep, he's.
Speaker 2: We have we have Australian household. So we have a
Speaker 2: lot of chicken salt in this house, which is basically salt,
Speaker 2: but it's flavored like chicken bouyon.
Speaker 4: Okay, and it's pretty good on popcorn, soaked in like
Speaker 4: chicken bouyon before they put it in a bottle or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they make it over there. It's
Speaker 2: a bunch of crazy people on that side of the.
Speaker 4: Art, mostly spiders.
Speaker 2: I don't ask how they make it. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: it's got a chicken on the content.
Speaker 4: Understanding when they're talking anyhow, who knows what they're up to.
Speaker 2: A whole chicken in every can.
Speaker 4: Have you guys ever walked out on a job? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we walked out of I think I might have
Speaker 1: walked out of one of the subways I worked at.
Speaker 1: I walked out of Burger King. I walked out of
Speaker 1: Papa John's after two days. I'm trying to think that
Speaker 1: might that might be it. There's probably another in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: I got two, although I don't know if accounts about
Speaker 3: walking off.
Speaker 1: If you didn't show up for your first day, that counts.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be the bigs Barbecue Chicken walked on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In Lawrence, Kansas, there was a big barbecue and they
Speaker 3: had a chicken mascot that would dance on the side
Speaker 3: of it was either iOS three or twenty three, one
Speaker 3: of the main drags of town. You just dance and
Speaker 3: have a sign that says big Barbecue. And I thought
Speaker 3: that'd be a funny job to have. And the first
Speaker 3: day I was supposed to work, yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 3: got to wear a chicken suit. That seemed great. But
Speaker 3: the first day I was supposed to work was like
Speaker 3: a weekend day in July, and it was like one
Speaker 3: hundred degrees and humid, and I was hungover and I
Speaker 3: woke up and I was like, I'm not fucking doing this.
Speaker 4: I'm not chick.
Speaker 3: And I'd already gotten the job filled out all my
Speaker 3: paperwork and everything and just didn't show up. The other
Speaker 3: one was also college. I got hired as a painter
Speaker 3: with all of my painting experience to paint. There was
Speaker 3: a girl's dorm that was getting renovated and they were
Speaker 3: just hiring college kids to paint it. And so I'd
Speaker 3: never used a roller before, I'd never painted a room.
Speaker 3: I haven't since, and so I'm just learning how to
Speaker 3: paint on the job And at the lunch break I
Speaker 3: think I might have made it two days, and the
Speaker 3: half day on the third one, I was like fuck
Speaker 3: this and I just walked off. It was painting was
Speaker 3: not for me, So yeah, yeah, never like straight out
Speaker 3: of a place of business, though, like never like fuck this,
Speaker 3: I'm out you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other the burg king there was, It's always it
Speaker 1: was never a customer issue. Was always like if a
Speaker 1: manager was kind of like just a little shitty and
Speaker 1: I'd be like I don't want you don't pay me.
Speaker 2: Enough to deal with this so people don't quit jobs.
Speaker 4: I quit managers for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I walked out on the burger king the
Speaker 1: Papa John's was like, I think there was like Red
Speaker 1: Wings playoff game on. I just wanted to go home
Speaker 1: and watch that, so I just didn't. I just think
Speaker 1: I just left. I was like I was trying to
Speaker 1: like remind myself of like the power I have in
Speaker 1: situations of like I still have a choice. I could
Speaker 1: just leave at any time. And if occasionally that like
Speaker 1: voice gets really loud in my head, especially as a kid,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, let's just do it, let's just
Speaker 1: do it, and I would, I would leave it, and
Speaker 1: I to feel very empowered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I would skip school and like high school,
Speaker 3: I would do that because I would just be's sitting
Speaker 3: there and I'd have my bag all packed up and
Speaker 3: stuff and be like wrestlingy A two thousand. My pre
Speaker 3: order just came in at Funkle Land. I gotta go
Speaker 3: play it right now. And I'm in math class and
Speaker 3: fifth hour or whatever, and it's like, Oh, he's gonna
Speaker 3: see me, He's gonna see me.
Speaker 4: Get up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no way to escape his line of sight,
Speaker 3: and then I would just have to tell my brain,
Speaker 3: like hey, brain, shut up, stop thinking, your legs work,
Speaker 3: get up, and I just get up.
Speaker 4: And like sometimes I would hear like, hey Dan, where
Speaker 4: you go?
Speaker 3: Nope, just keep walking, Just keep walking funkle land are good.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's empowering.
Speaker 2: Don't do that with a police. I just like, I
Speaker 2: feel like you've learned a weird lesson. Yeah where your
Speaker 2: bought your Your legs are apparently allowed to overpower your brain,
Speaker 2: but that can probably put you in danger.
Speaker 1: I really like it got you, but it also gets
Speaker 1: you cool things. That's like I did, like jump over
Speaker 1: the fence. Well it was a three eleven concerts and
Speaker 1: not that cool, but I jumped over the fence to
Speaker 1: get back into a three eleven concert after getting kicked
Speaker 1: out for underage drinking.
Speaker 3: You ran from the cops to get into a three
Speaker 3: eleven concert.
Speaker 4: Well, security guards like mostly.
Speaker 1: That was also I was also as high as a
Speaker 1: human could be because I like they like they left
Speaker 1: all the weed out in the van, my mini van,
Speaker 1: and so I got kicked out went the van. I
Speaker 1: smoked all that and then the funniest part about this
Speaker 1: is I thought I was being so sneaky up by
Speaker 1: the train tracks, I was gonna sneak back in and
Speaker 1: from like so far away, so far away. My brother
Speaker 1: and my friend who had just gotten kicked out as well,
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 4: Jeff, what are you doing. I was like, oh, you
Speaker 4: guys can see me.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And so then I will all three of us
Speaker 1: decide all right, we'll just go see what we can
Speaker 1: get back in.
Speaker 4: We y out of the guys like.
Speaker 1: Like a you know, a roady or whatever, and he says,
Speaker 1: just jump the fence, guys, just go, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, And we jumped the fence and then security
Speaker 1: guards did seeus, and then we just jumped another and
Speaker 1: these are like twelve feet fences, and jumped that, got
Speaker 1: back in and we mixed in with the crowd. And
Speaker 1: then when I left, we saw the security guards and
Speaker 1: kind of waved at him, and they didn't care. At
Speaker 1: that point it was already over.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get the sense of, despite knowing you
Speaker 3: for years now and podcasting with you a lot, that
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a treasure trove of like teenage
Speaker 3: slash college dirtbag age, the.
Speaker 4: Bad boy years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have long hair too, just stoned and long hair and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, all through the twenties especially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I grew I started growing my hair in like late
Speaker 1: high school and then yeah, that was definitely when the
Speaker 1: dirt bagnets started for sure.
Speaker 3: What's some like, uh, you know Mountain Rushmore dirt bag
Speaker 3: moments for you in the TV steal on the TV
Speaker 3: of course, that's number one. That's George Washington of dirtbag things.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like, I did I tell you about getting tased?
Speaker 4: About getting tasered?
Speaker 3: I think I know that you got tased, but I
Speaker 3: don't know the context.
Speaker 1: I was like again like reminding myself of the power
Speaker 1: I have in situations. So when like cops come to
Speaker 1: the door to party and it's not my house, I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you to come in, So so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go get the person that lives here and they
Speaker 1: could tell you whether or not you come in, but
Speaker 1: it's not my place. This is I'm so I'll go
Speaker 1: do that. And they're like, fuck, you were not waiting
Speaker 1: and they just tasered me. And I'm like, as they're
Speaker 1: tasering me, I'm like, can't believe you guys are taste
Speaker 1: or that's what I'm literally saying that. It kind of
Speaker 1: like like more stunned than being like actually stunned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: literally stunned. And so and eventually I'm like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: there's like now there are eight cops on me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like I just need to go down. I need
Speaker 1: to just go down and sit here and just like,
Speaker 1: let let what happens happens. And that was it was
Speaker 1: very interesting.
Speaker 4: So we did. I got to court because I was
Speaker 4: obstructing official business.
Speaker 1: I think, is what I got. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to fight this, uh twenty twoish because I
Speaker 1: was I was of legal age. That's one I answered
Speaker 1: the door. So I yeah, twenty two ish, twenty one
Speaker 1: or twenty two uh. And I went to court and
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, hey, public defender, let's fight
Speaker 1: this right because this is bullshit.
Speaker 4: And then and then.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but you have like a previous noise
Speaker 1: complaint warrant that you never answered, And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is that noise complaint? It was my again,
Speaker 1: I was of age, so I answered the door. My
Speaker 1: friend was playing the guitar too loud and we got
Speaker 1: a noise complaint. I went to go talk to the cops.
Speaker 1: So my name was on the ticket. I gave it
Speaker 1: to him to pay. He never paid it, and so
Speaker 1: there was a warm for my arres. So she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: we can get that taken care of. We'll get that
Speaker 1: wiped away in exchange for you doing one hundred hours
Speaker 1: of community service for this. I'm like, okay, fine, And
Speaker 1: for one hundred hours of community service, I went to
Speaker 1: the local animal shelter and played with kittens the entire time.
Speaker 4: It must have been really tough.
Speaker 2: It ruled the pitbulls, and it was it was yes, exactly, yes.
Speaker 4: So the moral of the story is get yourself tased
Speaker 4: by cops.
Speaker 1: It was like I even at the time. At the time,
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't think I feel anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is weird. This is really weird because I think
Speaker 1: it really works way better if you are resisting because
Speaker 1: your body's all tensed up. And I was like pretty
Speaker 1: relaxed and they just taste This is very weird.
Speaker 4: You didn't like you're super high.
Speaker 2: And they taste you, and you're just like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what you want to do.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: I shoot, did not do a single thing I just
Speaker 1: had I gonna get the person who lives here. The
Speaker 1: thing is that there were people who were outside breaking
Speaker 1: wind shields of cars coming down the street. They knew
Speaker 1: they were getting chased by cops. They came into this
Speaker 1: party with us, so we didn't know them. They came
Speaker 1: in the party, went out the back door. So I
Speaker 1: answered the door and like, this is a fucker that's
Speaker 1: been breaking windshields And I'm like no, I've been in
Speaker 1: this party the whole time. So the cops probably thought
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we gotta these guys are gonna get
Speaker 1: away if we don't like move now on it. And
Speaker 1: I guess, taste the guy and get in there.
Speaker 4: Let's just taste the guy. Yeah, wow, okay, so not uh,
Speaker 4: it's not too bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would like do it again,
Speaker 1: I think, but actually the anticipation of like knowing it
Speaker 1: was coming would probably be way worse.
Speaker 4: Actually, because I.
Speaker 1: I is it the thing that shot out like little
Speaker 1: things they shot out though there was like the little
Speaker 1: clips in my body. O.
Speaker 3: Mine was for the one I did on myself. A
Speaker 3: lot was probably a stunt stunt gun. Yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: always said taser, but I guess it's probably more accurate.
Speaker 4: It tastes like a brand name. I guess, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like look into it and see it. I
Speaker 1: didn't like read the side of the gun or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ask like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: What voltage? You said too? Yeah, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: Very strong at all. Can you turn it up a
Speaker 2: little bit?
Speaker 1: I was just like on the ground at a cert point.
Speaker 1: I can't believe guys taste me. All my friends like Jeff,
Speaker 1: just shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4: Please stop stop talking.
Speaker 2: How you got yourself into that situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just just shut the fuck up when you're
Speaker 4: doing with cops. Yeah, yeah, to your legs.
Speaker 1: I think I did get put in the back of
Speaker 1: the cop car. Whether they're like they'd like bring a
Speaker 1: sergeant app to be like, we got to figure out
Speaker 1: what happened because we totally violated this person's like rights
Speaker 1: here and this is not like we got to like
Speaker 1: bring someone here. News news actually what they're doing. And
Speaker 1: so they brought out some uh, I don't know, some
Speaker 1: big guest, hotshot cop or whatever, and I'm like telling
Speaker 1: the story and I'm.
Speaker 4: Still like some mustache motherfucker tastes me or whatever, and
Speaker 4: he's like, okay, okay, just cool it. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: can't help it.
Speaker 3: I always did the same thing with cops that I
Speaker 3: do with like call center people.
Speaker 4: Is just like super duper nice.
Speaker 3: And I was bigger like if you're angry, if them
Speaker 3: are combative, that's when they like come after you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right when I get pulled over. When I get
Speaker 1: pulled over, I'm like, I'm super nice. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: just doing your job. I'm just trying to get somewhere.
Speaker 1: Let's figure this out. That's completely fine. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: I was fucked once. Where was July fourth?
Speaker 3: And me and my buddy all all withhold his name here,
Speaker 3: But my buddy gets a thing of satellite missiles and
Speaker 3: we're all just like we went drove out to a
Speaker 3: dark road in Lawrence, Kansas, and we just wanted to
Speaker 3: shoot off fireworks. But we were doing it like right
Speaker 3: by the road, super not busy road. But also my
Speaker 3: friend was a guy that caused trouble and you know,
Speaker 3: would I should have known would do something stupid. One
Speaker 3: car is driving by in the middle of my buddy
Speaker 3: with a things like twenty five satellite missiles.
Speaker 4: The little one.
Speaker 3: Boer beer like shoot out, and he fucking aimed it
Speaker 3: at the car and I have I have a fucking
Speaker 3: picture of like as I don't know how I had
Speaker 3: time to As the car is passing, the window is
Speaker 3: down on the passenger side and it goes in and
Speaker 3: you hear the pop car pulls over. Guy comes out
Speaker 3: off duty cop. The funny thing exploded in front of
Speaker 3: his fiance's face.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, this guy was how are you alive? It
Speaker 4: wasn't me. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I got the picture of my buddy holding it. I
Speaker 3: took I was talking about journalist.
Speaker 2: You fucking were the witness and put him in jail.
Speaker 3: They had him get on the ground because I saw
Speaker 3: him holding the things. It's like, get the fuck down.
Speaker 3: You almost fucking blinded my fiance and flew in there,
Speaker 3: you fucking like, and he showed his badge and stuff,
Speaker 3: and he starts talking to me, and I don't know how.
Speaker 3: I was drunk as ship and I just did the
Speaker 3: I I, oh my god, I feel terrible, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're just we had a little too much to drink.
Speaker 3: We didn't drive, We like you know, we got dropped
Speaker 3: off out here and he just like I I watched him.
Speaker 4: He didn't mean to do it.
Speaker 3: I just I just was very just apologetic and nice,
Speaker 3: and he was like, all right, just fucking go home
Speaker 3: or something, okay, jeep.
Speaker 4: Thank God Like.
Speaker 1: That that that definitely had worked for me, Like when
Speaker 1: I was like on the I haven't like tripped a lot,
Speaker 1: but I did ask it a couple of times. And
Speaker 1: one of the times, I was just like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go for a walk and I was to play like
Speaker 1: walk in someplace where I shouldn't be, and I just
Speaker 1: basically told the cops, hey, I'm on ASCID right now
Speaker 1: and just walk home.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to cause any trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to where I'm going and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a hassle and cause you
Speaker 1: guys need any problems to like, I want to avoid
Speaker 1: problems if I can. It was very nice and it
Speaker 1: worked that time, and it was fine. So I tried
Speaker 1: that again of like being nice in a situation where
Speaker 1: we were at like a house party and I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I have a thing for talking to the cops.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh no, I will go be nice to them.
Speaker 4: It'll work.
Speaker 1: So I went to go talk to them, and they're like, look,
Speaker 1: we're just looking for for like, we just want to
Speaker 1: make sure everyone's okay, make sure everything's all right, So
Speaker 1: can we come in? And I'm like yeah, we'll everyone. Hey,
Speaker 1: listen everyone. They just want to make sure everything's cool.
Speaker 1: They want to come in. And what they were really
Speaker 1: trying to do is they saw someone with a bong
Speaker 1: in the garage and they were trying to get legal
Speaker 1: permission to come inside.
Speaker 4: So they came in.
Speaker 1: As soon as I gave them permission, they came right inside,
Speaker 1: went right for that, like all right, now everyone's under arrest,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking cops.
Speaker 3: It's like Dracula, Like as soon as you invite them in,
Speaker 3: they can just do whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, if you invite them in, then they don't need
Speaker 4: a warrant. They don't need a warrant.
Speaker 1: They can just come in and they look like Dracula,
Speaker 1: Like Dracula just like yeah, yeah, want to drink your blood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, you have to let them in.
Speaker 2: I think I have a dual system of opposing brain thought,
Speaker 2: where at first I am a great negotiator, and then
Speaker 2: when I have lost the battle, I.
Speaker 4: Freak out.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's when it just I've crashed
Speaker 2: and burned and this kind of comes out in all
Speaker 2: sorts of parts of my life. Right We're like all
Speaker 2: negotiate for our game of the year, and if I lose,
Speaker 2: or if I feel like I'm losing, I'll be like, well,
Speaker 2: I'll ruin all of your games.
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 2: You know, like you don't want to play board games?
Speaker 2: Sounds like yeah, I remember, like, uh, one time, me
Speaker 2: and a bunch of girls wanted to get really drunk
Speaker 2: and do a haunted house and we wanted to do
Speaker 2: like do it in style, and we got this big
Speaker 2: event planned even with like a limo or like getting
Speaker 2: really drunk and the limo on the way to the
Speaker 2: haunted house. And this was way back in the day
Speaker 2: when we would have those one time use cameras Like
Speaker 2: that's how like long ago this was, and we were
Speaker 2: all joking about like how much fun this was going
Speaker 2: to be. We were really hyping it up because it
Speaker 2: was like a forty five minute limo drive to get there,
Speaker 2: so we were chugging lots of drinks. By the time
Speaker 2: we got there, we were all really drunk and they
Speaker 2: were letting us in. Now the golden rule of haunted
Speaker 2: houses is you're not allowed to touch the performers, and
Speaker 2: the other one is no photography because they don't want
Speaker 2: you stealing the ideas and taking them to a rival
Speaker 2: haunted house oh wow, or giving away the surprise, right,
Speaker 2: because that's half the scare for these places. And my
Speaker 2: girlfriend was so drunk and she was so excited that
Speaker 2: we were there. In the very first room, she took
Speaker 2: a photo and they straight up were like turn the
Speaker 2: lights on. And they turned the light in the room
Speaker 2: and they were like you gotta go, and we were like,
Speaker 2: we just got here. It's five minutes. These tickets were like,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty bucks to get in. Let us go through.
Speaker 2: It was a mistake.
Speaker 4: She fucked up.
Speaker 2: She's like look at her.
Speaker 4: Look at her.
Speaker 2: And she's sitting in the back like half like not
Speaker 2: even standing. We're like, look at her, she's an idiot.
Speaker 2: Like let's just go. And the guy is like just
Speaker 2: so uncool about the whole thing, and it's just like,
Speaker 2: you broke the rules. You're fucking out. And I just
Speaker 2: snapped and was like, oh eat a dick man, like stupid,
Speaker 2: who is this? It's not even scary?
Speaker 6: And he called the police all the police to come in,
Speaker 6: and I stepped back in and was like, officer, these
Speaker 6: girls have traveled a really long way to see this place.
Speaker 2: And the officer looked at me and was like, you
Speaker 2: have two options. You can get back in your limo
Speaker 2: and you can fuck off, or you guys can get
Speaker 2: arrested right now. And I went, oh, is that my
Speaker 2: only option? I can't even go see the stupid an
Speaker 2: app and my girlfriend's just dragged me back into the limo.
Speaker 2: You can like see me in the limo being like
Speaker 2: fuck both of you, honestly assuming me away before I
Speaker 2: I arrested, got arrested, or got all those girls into trouble.
Speaker 2: But like, ultimately I thought that maybe I could weasel
Speaker 2: my way through going to that house.
Speaker 4: And I do like that when they were like the
Speaker 4: cops came here like all right, round.
Speaker 2: Two, and I immediately like an officer, there has to
Speaker 2: be away. You must understand, and he's like, well, I
Speaker 2: did hear that you called all of these people motherfuckers?
Speaker 4: Does not sound like please.
Speaker 2: Where I come from, we can all agree to disagree here.
Speaker 2: As soon as he told me that it was over,
Speaker 2: I snapped again and that.
Speaker 4: Was that you've had these two modes.
Speaker 1: But is it like like the crusty doll with the
Speaker 1: good and evil switch or is there like a.
Speaker 2: Negotiator and burn it down. I think it is a
Speaker 2: switch in my brain. I've had that happen multiple times
Speaker 2: with police officers. I've also been pulled over the standard thing,
Speaker 2: like Greb was saying like, You're like, officer, how can
Speaker 2: we work this out? Like you're trying to give tickets
Speaker 2: to bad people. I'm a good girl trying to go
Speaker 2: to college. How do we work this out? And he
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, what I said, I'm just a good
Speaker 2: girl trying to go to school. Can't we figure this out?
Speaker 2: And I'm being so sweet and he goes yeah. So
Speaker 2: we had a helicopter clock you going ninety five and
Speaker 2: I was like what did you And he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we have you clocked. It's in the sky. And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that doesn't seem like a good use
Speaker 2: of my tax dollars. Quit and he's like, well you're
Speaker 2: getting a ticket and I was like, well, fuck me,
Speaker 2: then see you later. It's like you're.
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't usually go to that place, so I'm always
Speaker 1: like all right, Like if I get resigned, it's very
Speaker 1: much still.
Speaker 4: All right. Like okay.
Speaker 1: So I was working as a delivery driver at GYM Johnson,
Speaker 1: Ohio State Campus, and you know, you got to get
Speaker 1: these sandwiches to these assholes in these buildings, and there's
Speaker 1: no place to park. It's a college campus and everywhere
Speaker 1: it's a toezone. So I'm like always trying to find like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a little corner where I can if I
Speaker 1: were to park it here and I were to get
Speaker 1: up there in like thirty seconds and get back, the
Speaker 1: car should still be okay. Not always there were like
Speaker 1: they were there their sharks. There's sharks in Ohio State
Speaker 1: Campus to the tow truck drivers, and but there was.
Speaker 4: One where I'm like, this is a game night. It's
Speaker 4: game night.
Speaker 1: The cops are gonna be busy that you know, so
Speaker 1: there or not, the tow truck driver's gonna be busy,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's all. I'm like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: in here and I'm gonna park this place. I know
Speaker 1: I can't park here, but they'll see the Jimmy Johns
Speaker 1: logo on top.
Speaker 4: They'll know I'm just delivering a sandwich. I'll just come
Speaker 4: right back down.
Speaker 1: Thirty seconds I come back down, the truck is already
Speaker 1: getting ready to pull me away. So I hop in
Speaker 1: the car real quick because he can't. He can't toe
Speaker 1: the truck if I'm in there, toe of the car
Speaker 1: if I'm in there. So I'm I'm sitting in there,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm gonna have to call the cops
Speaker 1: on you. And I'm like, all right, fine, call the cops, man,
Speaker 1: I just want to drive my you know, Jimmy Johns
Speaker 1: is right there.
Speaker 4: They called it.
Speaker 1: First of all, these people should just fucking walk to
Speaker 1: get their stand, which was literally across the street from
Speaker 1: like it's right there.
Speaker 4: Just let me go and we're fine.
Speaker 1: They called the cops, and I'm like talking the cops,
Speaker 1: and they're like kind of like building, it's gonna get
Speaker 1: worse and worse for you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, look what if I don't get out
Speaker 4: of the car. What happens? And and and.
Speaker 1: They look at me like we're kind of this this
Speaker 1: motherfucker like they're just like like, what kind of asshole
Speaker 1: even asked to ask a cop like what are the
Speaker 1: consequences of my next action? But they were just like
Speaker 1: we're going to like force this door open and we're
Speaker 1: going to arrest you and you're gonna go to jail
Speaker 1: and and all this stuff. I'm like and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but but why, like what am I doing wrong? And
Speaker 1: they're like, you're blocking the sidewalk. They had to like
Speaker 1: come up with something, and I'm like, I'm barely blocking
Speaker 1: this sod, but so is he. He's like the one
Speaker 1: holding on to me. If he moves, I can move
Speaker 1: the sidewalk. And at that point they were they were
Speaker 1: just stung with me. I'm like, okay, I'm resigned.
Speaker 4: Give me. I'll pay this guy the eighty five.
Speaker 1: Dollars he wanted, so that he was just like he
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna tell me at that point. He's like, I'll
Speaker 1: just just pay me eighty five dollars and I'll let
Speaker 1: you go, which of course is just extortion. But uh,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool. So that was just a night
Speaker 1: where I didn't make any money because it's about as much.
Speaker 2: It really sucks the tips at Simmy Johnson and yeah,
Speaker 2: that sucks to pay money when you're working, and just
Speaker 2: know that that's right.
Speaker 1: That's where like in my brand, like I got to
Speaker 1: do everything I can to avoid just paying eighty five dollars.
Speaker 4: But like, again, that's how much you make it at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at that time in your life, eighty five dollars
Speaker 2: was everything. Like I'll never forget my first waitressing job
Speaker 2: because that tips were cash, right, and you could walk
Speaker 2: out of there with Walking out with eighty dollars cash
Speaker 2: was god like, it was god tear. It was like,
Speaker 2: no one can touch me. I have eighty dollars, get
Speaker 2: out of my way. I can see any movie in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 4: Advanced game right now.
Speaker 1: I could buy three DVDs right now, three DVDs.
Speaker 4: Virgin megastore at Easton Mall. Watch out.
Speaker 2: They only increase in value. They are investment pieces.
Speaker 1: It's Criterion collection. It'll be worth billions.
Speaker 2: I love every time you, uh you bring up like
Speaker 2: a real place. I know where it is because I
Speaker 2: am from there too.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: I also remember trying to park in the OSU area
Speaker 2: and how insane it is. I have like, uh, this
Speaker 2: isn't a parking story, but I have like a vivid
Speaker 2: memory of driving Saturday night, game night, and just it
Speaker 2: was crowded and kind of stressful, and the car in
Speaker 2: front of me was swerving, and I remember being like,
Speaker 2: I said to myself, that guy's drunk.
Speaker 4: I'm going to pass him.
Speaker 2: And so I passed him, and then I went to
Speaker 2: a stop flight and I stopped and then he hit me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I remember like, uh, he gets out and we're
Speaker 2: both like what do we do here? And he was
Speaker 2: like you could buff that out, just like you would
Speaker 2: in like a cartoon or something like, I'm not dealing
Speaker 2: with your stupid ass. Let's all go home immediately. But
Speaker 2: now when I see someone swerving, I don't pass them.
Speaker 2: That's a lesson that I learned. I keep them.
Speaker 4: I want them where I couldn't see them.
Speaker 3: Though, because then it's like, at any point, what if
Speaker 3: they just see I hit the brakes or swerve or something.
Speaker 4: I'd rather just like real quick get pass them.
Speaker 1: And the situation if there's a stop sign coming up
Speaker 1: or a light, yeah, I'm I'm with you now, Mary.
Speaker 1: But if it's on a freeway and I and I
Speaker 1: know I can put significant distance, I will pass.
Speaker 4: Them and I'll get put them high way.
Speaker 2: I passed them in a stopping situation, I'm like afraid
Speaker 2: of them. And that was where you can see him here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, I think I said it out loud. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pass this guy. I do not think he's a
Speaker 2: good driver.
Speaker 4: Immediately hit me. I think.
Speaker 1: I think later on that night, when I was tripping,
Speaker 1: I realized the next day was Easter, and I was say, all,
Speaker 1: I have to go have brunch with my parents, and
Speaker 1: then I so I drove to their house like very
Speaker 1: very much out of my mind and like just kind
Speaker 1: of like like like crawled into their family room and
Speaker 1: fell asleep on the floor, and they're like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're here already, let's go. None the Wiser never knew.
Speaker 4: Does it not occurred to you when you took the acid?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, No, that's the future, Jeff. That's come on.
Speaker 1: Don't you have that with the like any of the
Speaker 1: stuff like ADHD where it's like a day from now
Speaker 1: might not exist at all.
Speaker 4: Like that's like I think I have some of that.
Speaker 3: But if I were to ever try something like acid,
Speaker 3: I think I would spend six months.
Speaker 4: Researching and feel like I was about to raid.
Speaker 3: Like ben Laden's compound, I would have those like planned
Speaker 3: out multiple different like AI scenarios showing what would happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't this the first time I ever did.
Speaker 1: It was my friend got it for my birthday and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm you know, when am I going
Speaker 1: to do this? And he's like, if you don't take
Speaker 1: it now, and it was this is like a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, he's like, I have it.
Speaker 4: You still haven't taken it. I'm like, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 4: have to go to work at j C. Penny.
Speaker 1: Actually I worked at the overnight shift, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if you don't take it now, I'm going to take it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I took it and I went over my overnight
Speaker 1: from eleven PM to eight am shift to j C
Speaker 1: Penny and it was that was. I think by the
Speaker 1: time I got there, I had kicked in and I
Speaker 1: knew because the lady that worked there with me, the
Speaker 1: nice lady, was like surprised that I was there early
Speaker 1: because my brother dropped me off because I was always
Speaker 1: like showing up right when the clock started. And she
Speaker 1: was like so happy that I was there early, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to finally be a good employee.
Speaker 4: It's a good employ She's smiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, hi, Jeff, are you doing And I
Speaker 1: must have just gone trying to talk, and I had
Speaker 1: not tried to talk, and my tongue wasn't working anymore,
Speaker 1: and I could just see her face like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you were I worked the whole yeah, but I hid,
Speaker 1: like for significant amounts of time in the bathroom and
Speaker 1: watched the bathroom like the stall wall like breathe at
Speaker 1: me and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's hell. I cannot I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4: I would never do my phone.
Speaker 1: My phone broke and I think that was just like
Speaker 1: a coincidence. But it felt like the universe was not
Speaker 1: letting it work. Like it felt like it felt like
Speaker 1: I must be doing something wrong. And so I like
Speaker 1: couldn't call my brother to come pick me up. And
Speaker 1: the shift had ended, and like things were starting to
Speaker 1: like calm down in my brain, and so I had
Speaker 1: to like walk over to a like retail story that
Speaker 1: would actually have a payphone. And I walked over to
Speaker 1: Meyer and just like I called him and it's like
Speaker 1: very early, so he's not up because it's like a
Speaker 1: weekend and we're all a bunch of dirtbags, and so
Speaker 1: I'd like keep calling him. Eventually he answers he's I'll
Speaker 1: be out there. And it took him a long time.
Speaker 1: So I'm like sleeping on the bench in the myre
Speaker 1: like vestibule with my using my shoe as a pillow.
Speaker 1: He just walked like, come on, let's go, and it
Speaker 1: was fine. Af through my phone. I think I think
Speaker 1: I threw my phone into like a ditch on the
Speaker 1: walk over there. I was so pissed.
Speaker 3: If we ever invent a time machine, let's all summon
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Speaker 4: Together and see what she would demolish us like she
Speaker 4: would bully us so hard.
Speaker 2: Football team couldn't pull her off of you if you
Speaker 2: put her.
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Speaker 3: All right, we are back with video games now, Greb.
Speaker 3: You alluded to being in Disney in the last week, right,
Speaker 3: I'm sure were gonna hear about that on Giant bomba
Speaker 3: The Air Future.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 4: I was at Disney, had.
Speaker 6: A real job.
Speaker 4: You had a red wine. I did have a red wine.
Speaker 4: That's right. We were at the Disney dining plan.
Speaker 1: Actually, so what me and stuff are like, we don't
Speaker 1: usually get alcoholic drinks at dinner, especially when we have
Speaker 1: the kids with us. But it was like we'd be
Speaker 1: wasting money if we didn't get an alcoholic drink.
Speaker 4: So we got whiskey and all kinds stuff with every.
Speaker 2: Wait, why would you be wasting money? Because all inclusive.
Speaker 2: It was all inclusive for this dining plan. And it's
Speaker 2: like you can get the entree and then you get
Speaker 2: a drink and get a diet coke, or you can
Speaker 2: get this fifteen dollars cocktail, Like what oh fuck? I
Speaker 2: totally respect that though, because like when if I'm doing
Speaker 2: a first class flight, which is never but like every
Speaker 2: once a while you get upgraded or something lucky happens
Speaker 2: to you, and your alcohol is like free, and they're
Speaker 2: constantly like, do you want anything like a mimosa?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, this nine.
Speaker 1: Am there being like you want something like I better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, you want this hot towel. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do I, but you definitely want like meet.
Speaker 2: And plates and you're like, I'm not even hungry.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Delta is doing Shake Shack Burgers now
Speaker 1: in first class.
Speaker 4: Jesus y yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: All right, So grab I bring up Disney because you
Speaker 3: said you had not heard our Game of the Year.
Speaker 4: As a result of.
Speaker 1: That, that is right, I have not heard your game
Speaker 1: Game of the Year, and I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, Well you know all three of us. You
Speaker 3: know you've heard the podcast, you know our thoughts on games.
Speaker 3: I want to do a little test here. Okay, I've
Speaker 3: got a time in about three minutes on my phone
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at our final top ten list. I
Speaker 3: want to see if you have three strikes, meaning you
Speaker 3: can say three games that are not on our top
Speaker 3: ten before you're disqualified. Do you think you could hit
Speaker 3: our top ten?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 1: So okay, so okay, So I say three games that
Speaker 1: are not on your top ten.
Speaker 4: That'll be three strike, three strikes.
Speaker 3: You're done, but you have three minutes to just try
Speaker 3: to name the ten and I think passing grade is
Speaker 3: seven or above.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, let me can I look at a list
Speaker 1: of games that just came out this year so I
Speaker 1: can have the full from because otherwise I just will
Speaker 1: have a hard time remembering.
Speaker 4: Yeah that bad brand.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, if you're doing that, then you have to
Speaker 3: get eight. So just say what the passing grade is?
Speaker 4: Now? Eight?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: it's still three strikes, all right, you righty?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hang on.
Speaker 1: I need to get this of us games of the
Speaker 1: year just in general. Okay, yeah, this this list will
Speaker 1: help me out here. Okay, all right, three minute timer
Speaker 1: starting now. Okay, let's go with some easy ones. Bilatro yep,
Speaker 1: astrobot yep. Let's see animal.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that is one strike. Okay's counting on you
Speaker 4: for that moment.
Speaker 2: I thought I fought for it, dude, But like, Dan
Speaker 2: is such a loser.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta. I devoted it more than mine. I gotta.
Speaker 4: I gotta keep that in mind, that Dan is such
Speaker 4: a loser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep that in mind with all of your picks,
Speaker 2: because there's a couple of real stinkers on there that Dans.
Speaker 1: Uh God, would you guys have put shadowed the tree
Speaker 1: on there. I don't know. Let me hold onto that
Speaker 1: one for a second. Would you guys have done that early?
Speaker 1: I know you would not have played that Laura Lion
Speaker 1: the laser eyes that's on there. Yep, that's number seven okay,
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm thinking of Dan. I gotta think of
Speaker 1: you tube a metaphor refuntasio yep.
Speaker 4: Okay, number ten, good job. Number that's irrelevant.
Speaker 2: It is irrelevant what number it is.
Speaker 4: Okay. I need a listen to this Prince of Persia,
Speaker 4: the Lost Crown. Huh.
Speaker 3: Okay, I won't even tell you the numbers, just in
Speaker 3: case you want to listen to it and not spoil
Speaker 3: it for you.
Speaker 4: Uh. The Rise of the Golden Idol.
Speaker 3: No, that should have been above metaphor. Okay, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3: That's two to two yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, I'm kind of getting too guessing. Territory now
Speaker 1: a silent hill too.
Speaker 4: No, you're out, sir, is a failing grade for sure. Yea.
Speaker 4: That leads us to games.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we need to do it, because
Speaker 2: if anyone who hasn't watched the podcast would want to
Speaker 2: listen to it, So I'm gonna stop you, right, there
Speaker 2: and just say good try. I believe genuinely that if
Speaker 2: I would have finished Silent Hill two, which I am
Speaker 2: currently playing, it would have been in that top ten.
Speaker 2: And that is on me.
Speaker 4: Let's remember another games. Shit, Okay, it's phenomenal. It is
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 2: It is an absolute, die hard perfect remake of the
Speaker 2: original Silent Hill two, which I must admit I did
Speaker 2: not play as a kid.
Speaker 4: I actually played it for the.
Speaker 2: First time with Nina Marie on a live stream and
Speaker 2: we played it. It was It's called Not So Silent Hills,
Speaker 2: and we played through every Silent Hill on the original
Speaker 2: console and I played through every of the Silent Hills
Speaker 2: with her, and I loved Silent Hill too. Like many people,
Speaker 2: I fell in love with this when the remake came out.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see how true of a remake it is,
Speaker 2: and it is. It is genuinely such a perfect remake.
Speaker 2: They have done so many nice upgrades. It's really lovely
Speaker 2: that when you go to a door and it's locked,
Speaker 2: he just very quickly like opens up a little piece
Speaker 2: of paper and writes, and then when you check your map,
Speaker 2: it says you can't go in that door, or like
Speaker 2: you need a special key, very clean, how it makes
Speaker 2: you feel like you really are there with these little
Speaker 2: extra details. The map is so easy to follow. I
Speaker 2: lost a lot in that game. But with this map,
Speaker 2: it draws a circle when there's a puzzle and then
Speaker 2: at check mark when you've solved it, so you know
Speaker 2: when you're done with an area. It's so clean you
Speaker 2: don't get stuck anymore.
Speaker 3: That's why I fell off the original one. Back in
Speaker 3: the days. I remember renting with my friends, like we're
Speaker 3: going to play this all weekend until we beat it.
Speaker 3: And we see that with Resident and it was like
Speaker 3: we just fiddle parted around an apartment complex for hours
Speaker 3: and just locked doors and like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: it didn't have any version of that on the map
Speaker 3: where fill in x's or you know, red lines or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like the rooms turned green or something like that when
Speaker 4: you're done with them or whatever.
Speaker 2: You yeah, andy, thing like that, But there's no hints, right,
Speaker 2: And in this one he literally writes clock, you know,
Speaker 2: question interesting, and so it's being way more clear what
Speaker 2: it is you're looking for and why I think that
Speaker 2: they have found a way to connect the dots. It's
Speaker 2: still puzzly and you absolutely can still get lost.
Speaker 4: But the game is giving you so many.
Speaker 2: More hints to just ease your way into saying, right,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for the big hand of the clock, and
Speaker 2: if I put it on the right time, it should
Speaker 2: open up a door. Like it's it's giving you enough
Speaker 2: guidance that you will figure it out if you're reading
Speaker 2: the notes and like looking around, and so I just
Speaker 2: really appreciate the quality of life here. I also think
Speaker 2: that it is encouraging combat and interacting with the enemies
Speaker 2: more than the original. The original, I don't think they
Speaker 2: gave you very much AMMO at all, Like you were
Speaker 2: lucky to have five bullets in that game, and in
Speaker 2: this one, I'm constantly finding between two and five bullets
Speaker 2: in every room, which is fantastic. It is encouraging me
Speaker 2: to actually fight the bad guys as opposed to just
Speaker 2: running away. This might be debatable among players who would
Speaker 2: also say, like, it's scarier to run away from enemies
Speaker 2: because you have no way to fight them.
Speaker 4: I think it's terrifying to.
Speaker 2: Put me in a situation where you've given me what
Speaker 2: I need to kill an enemy and now I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I got I have to find it and I'm just
Speaker 2: like throwing it, running around with a board with a
Speaker 2: nail in it, like praying that I can take out
Speaker 2: these legs. The enemies are just as vile and disgusting.
Speaker 2: The visual.
Speaker 4: Changes that they've made.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can really see the poop in the toilet.
Speaker 3: A lot of gross holes in that game. I've I've
Speaker 3: been watching Kale and yeah, there's just holes everywhere you look.
Speaker 4: And it they love holes.
Speaker 3: Is it not quite like resid Evil four? Like, I
Speaker 3: know it's over the shoulder now, but it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like it's suddenly like an action game the way like
Speaker 3: you know from.
Speaker 4: The first three are you used to aready four? Right?
Speaker 1: It's still very much survival horror from what it looks like,
Speaker 1: it's survival horror.
Speaker 2: But I do think that it is increased the amount
Speaker 2: that it is encouraging you to combat. And I even
Speaker 2: think that there's small changes to the animation of the
Speaker 2: character that is encouraging you to engage in combat. And
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. You get a radio and
Speaker 2: when an enemy is near, it makes like a cock noise.
Speaker 2: That's how you know you're fucked, right, because the radio
Speaker 2: is telling you that something gross is nearby. But in
Speaker 2: the new remake, not only does the radio do that,
Speaker 2: you pull out your wood with a nail in it.
Speaker 4: Like he automatically does it.
Speaker 2: He pulls it out.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't click a button if you're near an enemy
Speaker 2: and you can hear it like mouth breathing, he pulls
Speaker 2: out the board in preparation. And I think that that
Speaker 2: alone mentally makes me be like, oh, I'm a fucking
Speaker 2: swing this board. If anything comes near me, I'm like
Speaker 2: ready to go. And so I think it's it's mentally
Speaker 2: kind of encouraging the character to fight, but one hundred
Speaker 2: percent unlike a Resident Evil, which I think is you're
Speaker 2: pumping bullets into things, at least in the remakes. I
Speaker 2: think in the original Resident Evils you also had to
Speaker 2: be very careful with your bullets, like super careful. This
Speaker 2: one is also just you have to be cautious. You
Speaker 2: don't have that many bullets. But I think I had
Speaker 2: twenty bullets in the last playthrough of Silent Hell. I'm
Speaker 2: not through it, but I couldn't believe I had gotten
Speaker 2: up to twenty bullets. So like they want you to
Speaker 2: shoot shit in the butt. I say that because a
Speaker 2: lot of that characters do not have faces, And I
Speaker 2: don't know if a character doesn't have a head, if
Speaker 2: it's two legs on top of two legs, where is
Speaker 2: the head shot?
Speaker 3: He dinitailia area, Crosby too to crouch crotch area, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in between the legs and both of them right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I've just been shooting everywhere, just shooting them all
Speaker 2: over anywhere I can shoot.
Speaker 3: Them now, I know, like super fans of Silent Hill have,
Speaker 3: I guess there's a lot of themes and metaphors and
Speaker 3: so forth, and is it to just I.
Speaker 4: Have like do you do you?
Speaker 3: I just saw it as a game about a spooky town.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize what it was about or the psychology
Speaker 3: or metaphors. Do you playing through to have a read
Speaker 3: on what it's trying to say?
Speaker 2: It's very obtuse, and I think that I didn't fully
Speaker 2: understand it. Except for Nina, my friend who was playing
Speaker 2: the original with me, was explaining some of the characters okay,
Speaker 2: and they all have fairly sad story.
Speaker 4: You come across characters and.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, I'm looking for my mom, and then
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh, that's a sad story. But I
Speaker 2: don't think they're ever really explicit about anything because they
Speaker 2: want you to feel like you're in this foggy dream town,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to really understand a lot of it.
Speaker 2: And also like, why are you like constantly descending into hell?
Speaker 2: And who is pyramid Head representing? I don't think they've
Speaker 2: thought all that throughout.
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: I was watching Kayla stream and I've seen the chat
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, okay, well pyramid Head is obviously
Speaker 3: a penis, and this boss that is a door with
Speaker 3: arms and legs is actually about traumatic sexual memories because
Speaker 3: it's not a door, it's a bed, and I'm looking
Speaker 3: at it. I'm just like, I know, I don't pick
Speaker 3: up on stuff very often, but it's like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if these are actually intended messages or what that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you say, you say it is
Speaker 4: pretty obtuse, I.
Speaker 2: Think, so, I don't think it's literally telling you much
Speaker 2: of anything at all. And most of the notes, like
Speaker 2: I have a note in the game that's like, there's holes.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with all these holes.
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta keep digging. And it's like is
Speaker 2: that sex shit. I don't know, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: What you want all holes are sex shit.
Speaker 2: It doesn't like some of it is just very obtuse
Speaker 2: and obscure, and I think that that's scary in itself,
Speaker 2: and maybe much like a painting. To an expert, they
Speaker 2: would be like, you see, the flowers are all tiny vaginas,
Speaker 2: and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, they're always tiny vagina.
Speaker 2: But for the people who aren't super understanding of descriptive art,
Speaker 2: we're just like, it looks good, spooky town.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a scary town. It works, it works.
Speaker 1: It works on both levels though, right Like, I think
Speaker 1: that's where like the best stuff it can be interpreted anyway,
Speaker 1: where it's like if someone wants to dive in deep
Speaker 1: and they want to connect the dots, if they want
Speaker 1: to dive into the holes deep, they can enjoy themselves.
Speaker 1: And if they want to just be like, this is
Speaker 1: a foggy, spooky town, if it's fun that way as well,
Speaker 1: that's a good game.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Think that there's ever been anything in art or otherwise
Speaker 3: that I've interpreted in two different ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think probably not.
Speaker 3: If you look at it weirdos. There's got to be
Speaker 3: like a movie I love. That's like so clearly a
Speaker 3: metaphor fors like, is the Shining about something beyond me?
Speaker 3: Guy going crazy and wanting to kill his family?
Speaker 1: Uh, I haven't seen the Shining, which I know you
Speaker 1: just see, but but I know I know I'm meant
Speaker 1: to fix that during the Halloween, but I got too busy.
Speaker 4: The Matrix if you don't see that.
Speaker 1: The matrix is a metaphor for like capitalism and people
Speaker 1: being in a system. It's a control. A matrix is
Speaker 1: about control. Yeah, yeah, but like the systems that control.
Speaker 1: It's like for like, like you are just a battery
Speaker 1: charging this other system that's above you. You're just a
Speaker 1: person working in the capitalist system making sure that that
Speaker 1: the system above you could continues to run. But you
Speaker 1: are just replaceable and you don't really matter to it.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, like I did not think about it on
Speaker 4: that level.
Speaker 1: I just thought, right, that's that's the most like in
Speaker 1: your face metaphor movie that you might like.
Speaker 3: I've always seen twenty twenty five times. It's only one
Speaker 3: of my favorite mayvies. You've given it another twenty or
Speaker 3: twenty five, We'll see we thought.
Speaker 2: About that about it with that as a battery.
Speaker 3: I've thought a lot about how cool it was when
Speaker 3: he dodged those bullets, and I don't think deeply about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the Matrix is a good example
Speaker 1: of like that shiit just rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just a good action movie. Who cares? But
Speaker 4: also then I do care and I can enjoy both ways.
Speaker 4: That's all is face off a metaphor for something.
Speaker 1: Uh, I mean yeah, because like like what really makes
Speaker 1: a person a criminal versus a cop? And if you
Speaker 1: were to swap bodies, like, like do you do you
Speaker 1: take on some of the characteristics of the criminal that
Speaker 1: you've been chasing? Like what really separates these two men
Speaker 1: if you put him in his body? Like what remains
Speaker 1: that is good and what remained what becomes evil in him?
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a classic trope in a cop versus robber
Speaker 1: fiction sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, record, how about any zombie movie about how the
Speaker 2: real enemies are the people?
Speaker 4: Yes, they're faster.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I don't think I like metaphors most
Speaker 3: of the time, because I remember, like Walking Dead, I
Speaker 3: hated that game so much when everybody was given a
Speaker 3: game of the year and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's so deep though, because it's like Whe're
Speaker 1: the you know, wh're the Walking Dead. It's like I
Speaker 1: was shut up, like I think I just love that,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah shut up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, huh okay, Well SHO got a certain
Speaker 3: thing about that with the matrix.
Speaker 4: I bet there's like papers written about it or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there definitely are. Yeah, the whole bocks in fact, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Huh I already yeah, like that movie love maybe they'd
Speaker 3: be a fun when to look at you again.
Speaker 1: The point is, if you don't find that stuff enjoyable,
Speaker 1: don't do it.
Speaker 4: Don't force it interesting.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not considered that there was that much more
Speaker 3: to it than cool action.
Speaker 1: I find it very entertaining to like because it feels
Speaker 1: like I'm like almost playing a game with the movie
Speaker 1: or the book or whatever, where it's like, uh, I
Speaker 1: get to engage with their throwing out there. I could
Speaker 1: see how I feel about it and and try to think,
Speaker 1: are there deeper connections here?
Speaker 4: And I'm like exploring the space.
Speaker 1: But also if it's a good action movie on top
Speaker 1: of that or whatever, if it's doing good genre stuff,
Speaker 1: then I'll just enjoy that as well.
Speaker 4: Do you think if I went to class in film
Speaker 4: school I would know this stuff? I don't know. I
Speaker 4: do have I did go to film school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did go and you got it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't just go to film school. You have a
Speaker 1: film I agree you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. Again,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff comes down to just
Speaker 1: how like when you hand something to somebody, Uh, they're
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 4: React the way they react because of who they are.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you're.
Speaker 2: Meaning so nice about this fucking film degree and you
Speaker 2: don't know what a metaphor is.
Speaker 4: I don't know them when I see them. I don't
Speaker 4: think you do.
Speaker 2: Then I don't know if you've really.
Speaker 4: Played another thing.
Speaker 3: It is a thing, but it's representing another thing sneaky style.
Speaker 4: But I believe I did read that in some of
Speaker 4: the theory that I read. Yeah, if that.
Speaker 2: Was a paper, I would have given you a D minus.
Speaker 3: I fleshed it out and pat it out and take
Speaker 3: line spacing to make it a paper.
Speaker 2: You know, In this paper, I am going to show
Speaker 2: you how the thing and a thing disguised as another
Speaker 2: thing is what.
Speaker 3: We should maybe try to do I think I have
Speaker 3: a folder in my drive of all my old papers
Speaker 3: that I did actually do, and I think I wrote
Speaker 3: a paper about fight Club and how deep it was.
Speaker 1: I might be setting it almost as good as Ernest
Speaker 1: Klein's poetry.
Speaker 3: I bet yeah, I might be setting myself up for
Speaker 3: a Mike Mahardy style embarrassing old.
Speaker 4: Piece of writing here. But let me see.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, let me tess, Well, I'm looking for this.
Speaker 3: I will be able to find it. Let's toss over
Speaker 3: to grub. You've been playing Rise of the Golden Idol.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I started before my vacation, and I am any time
Speaker 1: for games. I'm a vacation. Came back and was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta like. I was in the middle of this
Speaker 1: auction scene. Let me see if I get piece things.
Speaker 4: Together that kind of had. It's really good. They gotta
Speaker 4: they do a cool thing with like, hey, the time
Speaker 4: is different.
Speaker 1: And then I started realizing the whole chapter had some
Speaker 1: like time markers and dates, so that I had to
Speaker 1: start piecing that stuff together.
Speaker 4: That was really fun.
Speaker 1: The game is incredible still, I really like it, but
Speaker 1: it is maybe a little bit more difficult to play
Speaker 1: when I'm like I do have the kids around, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they need something. I got to put
Speaker 1: this down and come back to it. And so I'm
Speaker 1: playing in like twenty minute chunks a lot of times,
Speaker 1: and I I'm not a note taker, and a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff I don't take notes. I try to like
Speaker 1: keep it all in my head, which I'm i am
Speaker 1: admittedly also bad at, but like I try to, and
Speaker 1: so when they come, it's like that all comes tumbling
Speaker 1: down and just seeps out my ears. And I have
Speaker 1: to like start from scratch a lot of times when
Speaker 1: I come back. But that could be helpful because now
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at stuff from a new direction, and
Speaker 1: that has occasionally caused me.
Speaker 4: To have some insights I did not have before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would find like I wouldn't start a new
Speaker 3: one unless it's like, all right, I have at least
Speaker 3: an hour here to really spend some time with this,
Speaker 3: because like if I leave for a couple days and
Speaker 3: come back, I'm gonna forget everything, and like I wish
Speaker 3: it would just organized a little bit better, where it's
Speaker 3: like you know, you saw something on one index card
Speaker 3: or piece of paper or something forever go and then
Speaker 3: you you lose track, and it's just like, how do
Speaker 3: I like It's not there's not like a filing system
Speaker 3: that works really well, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so it's like I have to like, I know,
Speaker 1: I saw that somewhere, so let's go see where I
Speaker 1: can find it. And that could be a little frustrating
Speaker 1: at times, but mostly I'm just like, no, I think
Speaker 1: it's here, and if it's not there, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: then it's probably there and so I'll find it. But
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I really appreciate the way the
Speaker 1: game makes you feel like a detective because like there
Speaker 1: are this is like you know, just the oh, this
Speaker 1: neighbor lists next to this person, his house is white,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. It's one of those logic games,
Speaker 1: but by making it a video game, even a static
Speaker 1: scene video game, it could do so much visually and
Speaker 1: just make you feel like when you notice something that matters,
Speaker 1: that you are someone that's paying attention and you are
Speaker 1: in that detective mindset. And every time one of those
Speaker 1: revelations hits, it never gets old for me. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I continue to be like, yeah, these are my kinds
Speaker 1: of games, very much into it, really enjoying it. Still,
Speaker 1: what chapter you on I just got I'm like a
Speaker 1: little bit into chapter three now, because again I put
Speaker 1: it down a week and a half ago and haven't
Speaker 1: been able to touch it, and so I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just got into chapter three earlier today.
Speaker 4: Have you played much on the steam deck or you
Speaker 4: mainly like on a computer? Almost all on the steam Deck?
Speaker 1: Actually I play you know, I did play some of
Speaker 1: the computer today, but mostly all on the steam Deck.
Speaker 1: I just switched over to the touch Bad turned it
Speaker 1: into a mouse and it works.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're doing touch Bad Okay. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: going back and forth and trying to get like the
Speaker 3: stick working well. And then also the track pad seem
Speaker 3: the track pad was the best bet with like R
Speaker 3: two as the clicking drag basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if I want to just click quick, I'll
Speaker 1: just click in the track bab. But if I need
Speaker 1: to drag something, I'm using the R two. Yeah sure,
Speaker 1: And it's it's worth great. You know, It's not as
Speaker 1: intuitive as using a mouse, but for having it on
Speaker 1: the go and be able to keep it with me
Speaker 1: and treating it like a little novel or whatever, it's
Speaker 1: been good for that. But yeah, I just I hope
Speaker 1: they make a ton of these. They're apparently are going
Speaker 1: to put a ton of DLC for this game next year,
Speaker 1: so I'll be there for all of it.
Speaker 3: I never did the DLC for the last one, and like,
Speaker 3: I do feel like by the end of this one,
Speaker 3: it was so kind of difficult, and I kind of
Speaker 3: just looked up a couple of the like last ones
Speaker 3: that I would love to go back to the first
Speaker 3: game's DLC and just be like, Okay, let's I'd like
Speaker 3: to go back to like a simpler one, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm like, I'm into the lore of
Speaker 1: the games in a way that I don't usually get
Speaker 1: into with these kinds of things. But I'm like, I
Speaker 1: recognize this guy from the last game, and I wonder,
Speaker 1: like what happened here? I wonder if some of that
Speaker 1: stuff is covered in the DLC. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back and play that too. I played something. I
Speaker 1: started it, but I didn't finish it.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: All right, Mary, you you're still working specifically on Mortal
Speaker 3: in UFO fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you done one yet?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 4: Let's do uh? I only have a couple. I got
Speaker 4: a couple.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot more to say about call
Speaker 3: of Duty other than what I've said before is that
Speaker 3: it's just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: Did I hear you or see you say that you
Speaker 1: got the shark skin? Maybe it was in chat this morning.
Speaker 4: Skin.
Speaker 3: I'm a big shark man with a suit now and
Speaker 3: I've got guns that have water on him. It's very stupid,
Speaker 3: and I love it very much. So my two guys
Speaker 3: are I'm Peter storm Mayer on the left faction and
Speaker 3: I'm a sharkman on the right, and it's the right level.
Speaker 4: Of stupid for me. I think it's fantastic. I like
Speaker 4: that a lot.
Speaker 3: And then we streamed a little bit of Zombies on
Speaker 3: Giant Bomb, and that seemed very fun in a way
Speaker 3: that like I didn't really ever gravitate towards zombies, but
Speaker 3: this felt really fleshed out and solid, so I kind
Speaker 3: of want to do more of it. But yeah, that's
Speaker 3: just update that like that is one of the main
Speaker 3: games I'm playing right now. But the main game I've
Speaker 3: been playing the last three days is I am fully
Speaker 3: back into the Vampire Survivor's hole to the point where
Speaker 3: it's like, this is now the fourth time I've restarted
Speaker 3: this game, and I had gone through all of this
Speaker 3: and all the DLC on Xbox, on one Steam account
Speaker 3: and on switch. I believe I probably put over thirty
Speaker 3: hours maybe upwards of fifty sixty on the PC before.
Speaker 3: But I have a different Steam account now with all
Speaker 3: the DLC on it. So I had to restart, and
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I got to get all the
Speaker 3: other the old stuff before I go to Castlelvania. I
Speaker 3: don't want to go in there, you know, like ncapped here.
Speaker 3: So I've been going through all the old stuff. There's
Speaker 3: like three hundred fucking challenges I'm doing like one by
Speaker 3: one by one by one, and also like dipping out
Speaker 3: of the Castlevania stage every once in a while. The
Speaker 3: Castlevania stuff is so cool. It is this giant map
Speaker 3: that's designed after it's all like the classically here's the
Speaker 3: clock tower, here's you know, all these outside the castle,
Speaker 3: inside the castle, going up the stairs to where Dracula is.
Speaker 3: It's very like Symphony seems to be the one that
Speaker 3: draws most you know, inspiration from which makes sense. And
Speaker 3: there's so many characters unlock all the weapons, the evolutions.
Speaker 3: It's like more than the base game had, so it's
Speaker 3: it is just one map, but it's huge and has
Speaker 3: numerous like almost stages to it where it's like you
Speaker 3: beat this boss fight and then you get this item
Speaker 3: that'll unlock this door, and then you can move past
Speaker 3: and unlocks like a warp zone, like an actual Castlevania
Speaker 3: where it's unlocking the different warp zones. So now I
Speaker 3: can just warp and go straight to the clock tower
Speaker 3: instead of having to fight my way there. So it's
Speaker 3: just I'm fully on board again, planning on the Steam
Speaker 3: deck a lot. I'm gonna be on a flight tomorrow
Speaker 3: and I just can't wait to like have it melt
Speaker 3: away in no time with the Vampire Survivors. So I
Speaker 3: really think this is one of my favorite games in
Speaker 3: the last ten years at this point that I can
Speaker 3: keep picking it up and starting it brand new and
Speaker 3: having just so much fun with it. But it's so
Speaker 3: finally tuned to like being the most dewey, dopamine bullshit
Speaker 3: game in the world, and I love.
Speaker 4: It for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think the metaphor is of Vampire Survivors, Like,
Speaker 2: what's it saying.
Speaker 3: I think the game is saying that video games are fun, huh,
Speaker 3: And I don't think there are any metaphors with vampire fiction.
Speaker 4: No, never haspend.
Speaker 2: No, that's the crazy thing about vampires. There's no metaphor.
Speaker 4: They just are sarcasm. So I'm gonna guess it's a
Speaker 4: sex thing. mPire is a sex thing occasionally.
Speaker 3: Look maybe just like one let me dial it back.
Speaker 3: I've read bram Stoker's Dracula. I love that book. Do
Speaker 3: you think bram Stoker in his mind when he was
Speaker 3: thinking about this Dracula ords like, I'm gonna it's about sex?
Speaker 1: Really, I think that it doesn't matter in that case
Speaker 1: because because humans are so like saturated in sexual desire
Speaker 1: that almost anything they create, that stuff comes through. And
Speaker 1: when you deal with characters that are like taking fluids
Speaker 1: from another human being and that's like their main way
Speaker 1: of doing things, like there is a inherent sexual sexuality
Speaker 1: to that stuff, fluid.
Speaker 2: From each other.
Speaker 3: Dan, But not if bram Stoker didn't mean that, now
Speaker 3: that doesn't someone just being filthy?
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't matter, especially in that case that do
Speaker 1: you want to hear if I could always come up
Speaker 1: I feel like with a bullshit metaphor for anything, right.
Speaker 4: So it's like, tell me why the rock is about
Speaker 4: blow jobs?
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, that's that's not exactly what I meant for.
Speaker 4: I was pretty cocky. I could do anything with a metaphor.
Speaker 1: I was saying, I could come up with a metaphor
Speaker 1: for Vampire Survivors right where it's like, it's not not
Speaker 1: about like the set dressing. It's about like, okay, a
Speaker 1: game where you you move around like like in the
Speaker 1: same way that jazz Can doesn't have like lyrics, right,
Speaker 1: but you it still makes you feel stuff and like
Speaker 1: it begin makes your brain feel things when you're playing
Speaker 1: this game. It's like, Okay, it's my relationship to moving
Speaker 1: through space and trying to manage the onslought of just
Speaker 1: never ending stress. And that's very much like life and
Speaker 1: and and like your ability to be able to take
Speaker 1: all that information at one time and move around it
Speaker 1: and become like move with the flow of that energy
Speaker 1: and move around things. You get to the get into
Speaker 1: that feeling. And that could be very similar to like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I just sort of let things go in life
Speaker 1: and I try to move with the flow. This is
Speaker 1: replicating that to a certain degree. And I definitely feel
Speaker 1: that way with games like that or Tetris.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's the kind of thing where I would
Speaker 1: beg I like to think about that sort of.
Speaker 4: Thing with games like this. But did poncol plan On
Speaker 4: that guy mean that one? Actually yes, really, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel that the creator didn't intend it. It's just
Speaker 3: people saying a bunch of words.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is we're talking about the art
Speaker 2: and the artist and then the interpretation of the art.
Speaker 4: So then wrong if it wasn't intended.
Speaker 2: It's not that's actually not accurate because once the art
Speaker 2: is in the world, the interpretation can take on a
Speaker 2: life of its own.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, all that matters to me is how I
Speaker 4: feel like. I don't care what he made it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the art. It does matter what
Speaker 2: the artist intended. But at some point how you interpret
Speaker 2: the art wins because it's in.
Speaker 3: A way that I interpret the matrix without understanding any
Speaker 3: of what it's trying to sell. Yes, I'm interpreting it
Speaker 3: in my own reality.
Speaker 2: All writers are crying when they realized that they cannot
Speaker 2: get the message through to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all writers, huh, I know what it's like to
Speaker 3: be a writer. I held up two of my books that.
Speaker 4: I put out. Those are c minus.
Speaker 3: Someone who's put out books and has maybe the authority
Speaker 3: on this podcast about this author, we'll.
Speaker 2: See after we read that review on what the theme
Speaker 2: of fight Club was.
Speaker 4: I got a point. I can't find them on this computer.
Speaker 3: I think it's not a hard drive right here, But okay,
Speaker 3: maybe the break, I'll plug it in because I bet
Speaker 3: it's real bad.
Speaker 4: During the break, I'll grab it real quick. All right, cool?
Speaker 3: That was me talking about Castle Vania, and then real
Speaker 3: quick before we go to you up at fifty, I'll
Speaker 3: just mentioned like a post mortem here Astrobot, because you know,
Speaker 3: we talked since we found out this game existed, specifically
Speaker 3: like grab an Eye, Manati and then others that wanted
Speaker 3: to speed run it. What are your thoughts now that
Speaker 3: it's all said and done, grubcause I know you kind
Speaker 3: of fell off. I don't know if you intend I'm
Speaker 3: going back in.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got super busy, yeah, because it was
Speaker 1: like when I was playing, it was like all my
Speaker 1: time was going towards that, and I couldn't like maintain.
Speaker 1: Next I went to your house, we did the fundraiser,
Speaker 1: and since then it's been hard to make it make
Speaker 1: sense because I'm like I knew I had the Disney
Speaker 1: trip coming up, and there were other stuff happening with
Speaker 1: work that we have, all these meetings and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it got to a point where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to like wait until we get on the
Speaker 1: other side of this. And in my mind it was
Speaker 1: like when I get back from Disney's, now I'm here
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I have three levels that I
Speaker 1: need to spend a lot of time with. I'll just
Speaker 1: go in there, I'll play them, I'll try to set
Speaker 1: a good time and all those see where I land
Speaker 1: on the global leader board, and then start looking for
Speaker 1: places where I can draw time and try to get
Speaker 1: down as much as possible.
Speaker 4: Where are you at, like globally for that overarching leaderboard?
Speaker 4: Do you now last I played?
Speaker 3: It was like a day or two after that last
Speaker 3: level came out and I did break into the top
Speaker 3: hundred of the overall and then I think pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: I think within a.
Speaker 4: Few hours that first day I fell out.
Speaker 3: So if I were to guess, I'm probably between like
Speaker 3: three hundred and five hundred right now TOTA. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that they added that cumulative thing, because
Speaker 3: that is something where it's like huge, Oh for now
Speaker 3: I can hang my hat on it. We're like, oh
Speaker 3: you might, you know, Betelly, you might have me beat
Speaker 3: on this one, but cumulatively, you know, like I'm the
Speaker 3: real winner here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, Yeah, And it's true because I like
Speaker 1: that's a big part of It's like having the ability
Speaker 1: to like perform in all the levels is something that
Speaker 1: I think I treasure as well. So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: going back into it. I want to play a lot
Speaker 1: of it. It might play a lot over Thanksgiving break here,
Speaker 1: we got some days off. I might try to, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get something done there. That's one where it's like now
Speaker 1: and then it's all out. I could just stream that
Speaker 1: and play those levels over and over again. So might
Speaker 1: try to make that happen. But I like how I
Speaker 1: feel about it overall is like I think they did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job. I like all the levels they had.
Speaker 1: I think that they played around with the gimmicks in
Speaker 1: the right way. They used the nice spread of different
Speaker 1: kinds of tricks, and then they had like tricks within
Speaker 1: those levels of like okay, think about using the ice
Speaker 1: skating stuff in a way that you didn't before.
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, okay, fantastic elements in the environment. This
Speaker 3: whale will bop your head up, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yep, and having them like clearly like, oh they thought
Speaker 1: about all this stuff and they built a really cool
Speaker 1: speed running level. It's uh, you don't get that from
Speaker 1: a lot of big developers where they take their games.
Speaker 4: They're made one way and like, let's think about it.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to do this as fast as possible,
Speaker 1: like really as fast as possible, what could we do here?
Speaker 1: And they did and they do what they did with
Speaker 1: the entire game. They made an amazing experience that you
Speaker 1: just kind of can't get anywhere else.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think we're of the same mind
Speaker 3: about it, and I would love to if you get
Speaker 3: into those later levels, I'd love to get back.
Speaker 4: Down there and go against you. Yeah, it's happened. I
Speaker 4: think let's let's start it back up again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one more speed challenges between the two
Speaker 2: of you, Like who who's who.
Speaker 4: Has more number ones.
Speaker 3: Now I'll break k fave a little bit here and
Speaker 3: say that I have bullshitted and acted like I've beaten
Speaker 3: grub at elements of the first Asterbot.
Speaker 2: Nobody can be grub I brought this up just to
Speaker 2: hurt you.
Speaker 3: Well, no, that was just a preference. I was going
Speaker 3: to give him that one because it is true. He
Speaker 3: was much better than me at the first level of
Speaker 3: this current game and kind of all the old ones
Speaker 3: at this point. But right now, as of this recording,
Speaker 3: I do believe I have the best cumulative time, probably
Speaker 3: because the other guys haven't played the other levels.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and was he not on the leaderboard because
Speaker 4: that doesn't not true.
Speaker 1: I think that you still have to beat on the
Speaker 1: third one, which I was having trouble with. So I'm
Speaker 1: like that. I think that's one of the things where
Speaker 1: it's like, this is going to take time to like
Speaker 1: really learn this, and I don't have that right now.
Speaker 1: And that was like, oh God, so I need to
Speaker 1: just put this aside because it's going to stress me
Speaker 1: out if I start thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I love how Kayla approached that, where it's like she
Speaker 3: did that first level and recognize quickly like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: good at this, but this is going to be so
Speaker 3: frustrating and takes so much fucking time that like she
Speaker 3: just bowed out after that first one.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean to be let's be clear what happened there.
Speaker 1: I broke her all right, like you did.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's seeing like an eight hour stream trying to
Speaker 1: beat my time the last time I said on that
Speaker 1: and she couldn't do it and then she was done. True.
Speaker 1: I do, I feel bad, but I don't. Actually, so
Speaker 1: she didn't cut your hair, Yeah she did. She got
Speaker 1: her revenge, that's true. Yeah, cut my hair in a
Speaker 1: gingerbread man suit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a good streak both place for long streams. Recently
Speaker 1: were the kids? Yes, all right, Mary, So UFO fifty,
Speaker 1: we talked about the bit of a game of the year,
Speaker 1: But have you just like fully honed in on one game.
Speaker 2: I'm just playing a little bit more of it. This
Speaker 2: was like a thinner week for all of us. So
Speaker 2: it's like I'm bringing it up because I did put
Speaker 2: probably four more hours into Mortal, which is a very
Speaker 2: specific game. I think it's the best game in UFO fifty.
Speaker 2: There's a lot that I don't like. There's maybe less
Speaker 2: than ten that I'm like, hey, I could play these,
Speaker 2: and Mortal is like the one where I'm like they
Speaker 2: had something here.
Speaker 4: This is a cool concept.
Speaker 2: It's a fun gimmick where you like your men coming
Speaker 2: down from a plane, and you have to either you
Speaker 2: have to die to get through these levels, and you
Speaker 2: either have to explode turn into a rock, and there's
Speaker 2: lots of different ways you can die, and it's educating
Speaker 2: you each level. I don't know how far you both
Speaker 2: have gotten, but in the later levels it's getting psychotic.
Speaker 2: I'm I've made it to the final level and it
Speaker 2: is very difficult. You have to save your men, So
Speaker 2: I've replayed levels one through six, like right.
Speaker 1: Because you're the number of men that the number of
Speaker 1: lives you have carries over it returns you. So if
Speaker 1: you play better, you'll have more men to move for
Speaker 1: the next round.
Speaker 2: Correct, And to the game's credit, let's say I I've
Speaker 2: played it really well and I play level three again
Speaker 2: and I do worse. It takes my best score, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I don't ruin anything by.
Speaker 4: Trying it again.
Speaker 1: So if you like played through, like you know, level five,
Speaker 1: and you will and back to level two and replay that,
Speaker 1: would that get added on top or would you have
Speaker 1: to then go play three, four, five again?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's cumulative, where at the end of a
Speaker 2: level it says whether you added men or lost men, okay,
Speaker 2: And so like every time you play, there's a certain
Speaker 2: amount of men you can gain, and then you have
Speaker 2: to get rid of some of them, of course, but
Speaker 2: towards the end at the if you go to the
Speaker 2: level on the right, it'll say plus seven plus eight
Speaker 2: minus twenty, and so you want those to all be
Speaker 2: in the plus and so the game knows if you
Speaker 2: go back and play two and now you're plus twelve,
Speaker 2: it knows to just add those cumulatively.
Speaker 4: Okay. I like that a lot. It's really nice.
Speaker 2: So it's clean because you you do get a little
Speaker 2: tired playing the same goddamn level. But I've gotten really
Speaker 2: good at certain levels where I've uncovered the mechanic of
Speaker 2: what they wanted me to do. And that's really neat
Speaker 2: when you like see the level design and you're like
Speaker 2: why why is that there? And it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: if I clog this drain, it drains the lake, which
Speaker 2: kills the fish, and when you kill enemies you get
Speaker 2: men back. Baby the hell, yeah, I'm gonna teach you. So, like,
Speaker 2: there's other ways you can manipulate the space as well.
Speaker 2: There's platforms. When you stand on them, they fall, and
Speaker 2: if you turn into a rock and then you stand
Speaker 2: on your man and an enemy is coming. You can
Speaker 2: just hit it on the top of its head and
Speaker 2: you kill it and you get a man back, and.
Speaker 4: It's shooting men.
Speaker 2: It's shooting enemies at you, so you can just constantly
Speaker 2: kill them. And at some point the game's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've you've figured this out, and it stops sending enemies
Speaker 2: at you because you've accumulated three men out of it,
Speaker 2: instead of.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of layers to it, and so
Speaker 2: there's some really interesting mechanics later on. So, like I said,
Speaker 2: they get this like really fun. I don't think you've
Speaker 2: gotten to the fish. Then the fissure no freaking crazy
Speaker 2: because they eat you and they digest you. There's no body,
Speaker 2: so you don't get to utilize your deadness, like you
Speaker 2: half have to avoid getting eaten or it's a waste
Speaker 2: of a body. And then there's areas in the in
Speaker 2: the game where the only way to get out of
Speaker 2: the water because it's maybe like two steps high, you
Speaker 2: have to drown, which is really interesting, and then you
Speaker 2: can stand on your dead drought.
Speaker 4: Oh you play the swaps floats. I don't think I
Speaker 4: played Swapper.
Speaker 3: That was a thing where it's like very similar early
Speaker 3: twenty tens, but you you were basically it was a
Speaker 3: sci fi type thing where you would die, but then
Speaker 3: you could like use the stuff you did before and
Speaker 3: you know, jump on your corpse and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: See that's the mecan't they steal these mechanics.
Speaker 4: Like you know, Ratchet and Clank.
Speaker 3: One of them on PS three had this thing where
Speaker 3: it's like the Clank levels where you would like record
Speaker 3: Clank doing something and then you'd start as another clank
Speaker 3: and then like you know, do the things concurrently. It's
Speaker 3: hard to explain, but uh yeah, yeah, this felt like
Speaker 3: a weird, like almost Lemmings type take on it, like
Speaker 3: a retro take on this concept.
Speaker 2: And it's getting smart. Yeah, it's getting really interesting. Now.
Speaker 3: I checked to see if there's speed run later boards
Speaker 3: for this, and yes, the number one has beaten this
Speaker 3: game in sixteen minutes and forty one seconds.
Speaker 4: Wow, I kind of Mary. Have you played Mortal too
Speaker 4: at all? Okay, there's a second one hul to Mortal?
Speaker 4: What how is that possible?
Speaker 1: It's I was like, I guess, like, are you worried
Speaker 1: about like spoilers of like the lineage of games inside
Speaker 1: UFO fifty.
Speaker 4: I don't know how, I don't, Oh.
Speaker 1: Prescireus you okay, So yeah, there's yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of a sequels to the games earlier in the UFO,
Speaker 1: like a library that show up later in UFO fifty.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, that's cool. I'd like to. I'd like to.
Speaker 2: This is like the one that hooked me. I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten hooked by any of these games that much. I've
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed some. I played Party House or Party whatever,
Speaker 2: the one that.
Speaker 4: You liked it, like, I have not touched that one.
Speaker 4: It's okay. I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's bad. I think it's fine. I've
Speaker 2: played it and was like interested in trying to beat it,
Speaker 2: but nothing's gripped me, Like Mortal has very good.
Speaker 1: You use the clicker game, the Alien clicker one's fun.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've played all fifty.
Speaker 2: I've been through all fifty, but I think some of
Speaker 2: them I was like whatever and like like quit within
Speaker 2: like two minutes.
Speaker 4: I have a low tolerance.
Speaker 2: When I was just like I'm not learning all this shit,
Speaker 2: Like that's not happening.
Speaker 3: The second I like had to go to a town
Speaker 3: and talk to someone who was like, this feels like
Speaker 3: a JRPG.
Speaker 4: I need to get out of herey.
Speaker 2: How does one feel intertwined with another reality and dance?
Speaker 4: I see what you're doing it. I'm not gonna fall
Speaker 4: for it. No metaphors for this guy.
Speaker 1: One of the things I like about UFO fifty with
Speaker 1: the sequel stuff is like a lot of them are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is made by the same team. They'll have like
Speaker 1: either the real team or the fictional teams, like listing
Speaker 1: on the copyright. And there's a couple where it's like,
Speaker 1: this is the sequel, but it's made by a different team.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, is this gonna be a very different game?
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, sometimes that's the way they'll do it.
Speaker 3: So some Snakes Revenge stuff where it's like here's Metal Hero,
Speaker 3: but then Snake's Revenge wasn't Kajima, you know, like I
Speaker 3: think it right almost.
Speaker 1: Exactly like that, yeah, exactly, And it's like there's said
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like cool attention to detail
Speaker 1: on that side of things that I really.
Speaker 4: Appreciate about UFO fifty. That's another one that I just got.
Speaker 1: I need so much more time to explore all that
Speaker 1: stuff that I haven't been able to appreciate it fully.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that with the amount of not that I
Speaker 2: put that many hours, but for like putting eight to
Speaker 2: ten hours into into Mortal, I still can't beat it.
Speaker 2: I have to put more time into I need to
Speaker 2: save more men in levels five through eight, because the
Speaker 2: final two are motherfuckers. There's no longer a plane. That's
Speaker 2: the crazy one.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: You know how like when you die, you.
Speaker 2: Just drop right out of the plane, right, okay, In
Speaker 2: the last two levels you come out of like a
Speaker 2: little hole, and if you die, it goes all the
Speaker 2: way back to the hole. You gotta go through a
Speaker 2: lot of places, and there are checks brutal, there's checkpoints,
Speaker 2: but it's fewer and further between, so it's a lot
Speaker 2: easier for you to just burn through. Good men and
Speaker 2: just with waves and waves of good men have.
Speaker 4: Lost their metaphor for war. You know, I think the.
Speaker 2: Real yeah, the real loss is that we were the
Speaker 2: men the whole time.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, problem man, you think they intended that? Damn
Speaker 4: it must have. It's about sex, blow jumps holes.
Speaker 2: Those guys are all fucking we know, going nuts.
Speaker 4: Clearly a penis just look at it.
Speaker 2: I'm going hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, absolutely, all right, I'm educated.
Speaker 4: Now. All right, that is it for our games this week.
Speaker 3: We do have some emails coming up, and I will
Speaker 3: grab this hard drive here and see if I can
Speaker 3: embarrass myself. We will be back very soon. All right,
Speaker 3: We're back, and I have found my paper from Theater
Speaker 3: and Film two eighty three, my class at the University
Speaker 3: of Kansas. Uh So this is let's see if I
Speaker 3: understood film and metaphor in two thousand and two. This
Speaker 3: is my paper, Jack's Smirking Revenge, an analysis of fight Club.
Speaker 3: All Right, fight Club is a film that speaks directly
Speaker 3: to its generation.
Speaker 4: Shit, oh doesn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh No, Millions of skeptical, pessimistic young men and women
Speaker 3: cite Fight Club is their favorite movie of all time. Okay,
Speaker 3: there's no source on this fight Club because it seems
Speaker 3: to transcend what movies generally contribute contribute to the mindset
Speaker 3: of the viewer. It is a film that has changed
Speaker 3: countless outlooks on life and contributed to many personal philosophies.
Speaker 3: On this paper. There's no bibliography or anything. One of
Speaker 3: the most brutally honest movies ever made. Fight Club spoke
Speaker 3: to our generation bitter about countless promises of a successful
Speaker 3: life contrasted with the truth of reality. It spreads its
Speaker 3: message through a complex maze of unique editing techniques, wonderful acting,
Speaker 3: perfect lighting, and one of the most effective and memorable
Speaker 3: twists in movie history. Okay, I'll just give this up
Speaker 3: just for the sake of brevity.
Speaker 4: This is a called thing.
Speaker 1: It does sound like you're bullshit. It does sound like
Speaker 1: you complete bullshit. You are just like you're like, what
Speaker 1: are some things it does?
Speaker 2: I need a third thing. It's really good act it's
Speaker 2: got hot sex.
Speaker 1: Scenes, it's got editing lights and actors come on movies.
Speaker 4: Until Fight Club.
Speaker 3: I think I'm getting deeping in here and another break
Speaker 3: from the norm. The protagonist of the film is a
Speaker 3: very flawed human being.
Speaker 1: It was the first movie to have a flawed protagonist,
Speaker 1: flawed character in a movie.
Speaker 2: I might even say he's almost some kind of anti hero.
Speaker 4: Why I sit here?
Speaker 3: It's similar to a clockwork orange because Edward is a
Speaker 3: man who is so depressed about his own life. He
Speaker 3: frequents self help seminars for people with terminal cancer so
Speaker 3: we can feel better about his own. There are no
Speaker 3: heroes or villains in fight Club, only individuality versus conformity.
Speaker 1: Oh my, it just it does sound a lot like
Speaker 1: any conversation you would have had with someone about fight
Speaker 1: Club in college.
Speaker 4: I was that.
Speaker 3: I was that kid who watched a bunch of Tarantino
Speaker 3: movies in high school.
Speaker 4: Thought I undersaid movies.
Speaker 3: I saw some Kuber stuff and then yeah, okay, and
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, the lighting's good, the soundtrack's good.
Speaker 4: I say it was good. You said the lighting was perfect. Mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: I literally all of my short films and shows, and
Speaker 3: so I did in college, I did not want I
Speaker 3: didn't use lights because they seemed.
Speaker 4: Like too much of a hassle. It all looks like shit.
Speaker 3: Okay because of this reason, okay, rare occurrence of a
Speaker 3: film that's noticeably better upon his second viewing. Blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah bah. Let me see I get deep in
Speaker 3: the final paragraph. Okay, final paragraph.
Speaker 2: In conclusion.
Speaker 3: In conclusion, this film could have easily been just another
Speaker 3: that simply tries to add to an individual's personal philosophy,
Speaker 3: but it is proposed and produced in such a way
Speaker 3: that makes it stand far out from the thematically similar films.
Speaker 3: It avoided this by using big name stars, intriguing marketing,
Speaker 3: and an entirely unique package of filmmaking.
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: It is a film that doesn't seem to borrow from
Speaker 3: any others. Rather, it invents its own in an effort
Speaker 3: to spread its ideals. Every detail of the film's production
Speaker 3: is unique to Fight Club and Fight Club alone. It
Speaker 3: is through these measures that the message of this movie
Speaker 3: has reached so many people. No, I'd never what is
Speaker 3: the message.
Speaker 4: That I'm talking about. It sounds like you've never mentioned it,
Speaker 4: which I don't think you did. I don't think I
Speaker 4: did either. Wow. That sucks shit D minus Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think at a certain point it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're a professor, You get a paper like that,
Speaker 1: you see a million like that, What.
Speaker 4: Do you do club? Whatever exactly you fucking did like that.
Speaker 2: Poor professor probably had to read so many Wi Fi
Speaker 2: Club is really fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Dot doc from a bunch of kids who did not
Speaker 3: understand that it was supposed to be supposed to suck.
Speaker 1: Oh. I definitely, I definitely had a community college professor
Speaker 1: that was like, you could write about any movie except
Speaker 1: flight Club that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's exhausting and people are wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't understand jezus I bet I was insufferable.
Speaker 4: Talking about movies.
Speaker 1: I mean it just sounds like you're you're you wrote
Speaker 1: a paper to get a grade. Like that's what that
Speaker 1: paper sounds, Yes.
Speaker 4: What it was.
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's like this is like a
Speaker 1: minor speeding ticket in douchebaggery.
Speaker 4: Like that's it. Like this is not that bad compared
Speaker 4: to my heart is about the author. I'm looking better here.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't have to throw Maharty under the bus.
Speaker 1: This is your show. That's where you do that. You
Speaker 1: can do that, Okay, I'm about the wine, all right,
Speaker 1: that's right, Okay, Fuja dot Org.
Speaker 2: We'll add it to it. We'll let the audience decide.
Speaker 4: God. All right, onto the emails.
Speaker 1: Uh, first one here, wait real quick, what do you
Speaker 1: think so if you had to say something that Fight
Speaker 1: Club is about now other than like the satire, Yeah.
Speaker 3: About just angry, toxic masculinity and trying to find meaning
Speaker 3: in lives that they just didn't have anything else going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was the only thing I knew.
Speaker 1: Try to find human connection and not knowing how to
Speaker 1: do that and so it has to come through it
Speaker 1: through Yeah. Yeah, that's completely fair, completely good rating.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go back to college and get a
Speaker 1: new degree. I'm gonna double it. Yeah, film degree too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: plus a search for Curly's gold. I wouldn't be because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get to keep the things that I left
Speaker 1: college with because I've gotten stupider.
Speaker 2: You're just watching dumber movies. Why face off is actually
Speaker 2: a cry for help?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: First email is from Eric from Saskatchewan. If all Earthlate
Speaker 3: knowledge was wiped from Earth and we had to start
Speaker 3: from square one, science textbooks would eventually come back unchanged
Speaker 3: because science is experimentation and observation. If all games were
Speaker 3: wiped out and we had to start from square one,
Speaker 3: which ones do you all think would come back just
Speaker 3: the same. That's Eric from Saskatchewan. That's a great email.
Speaker 3: Brothers just like it, Like you know.
Speaker 4: It's somebody just like it, because like, isn't that the game?
Speaker 1: Like this is like what I was kind of getting
Speaker 1: too early about, like the the like Vampire Survivors and Tetrists,
Speaker 1: like there are some things that like kind of get
Speaker 1: to a truth of the medium of of Like when
Speaker 1: you played Super Mario Brothers, the physics felt right.
Speaker 4: It's not, they just felt good. It feels right.
Speaker 1: This is like exploring something that feels truthful about momentum
Speaker 1: and physics and our interaction with those things. So I
Speaker 1: think at a certain point someone would stumble up upon
Speaker 1: that because it feels right.
Speaker 4: I agree. Like the lighting in Fight Club, it's perfect,
Speaker 4: it's perfect.
Speaker 7: Battlefield Earth, perfect lighting, sick marketing.
Speaker 4: Perfect lighting, says man who doesn't know anything about lighting,
Speaker 4: who thought lights were quote as.
Speaker 1: Unnecessary for film production, your to one hundred, God damn it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Tetris or like you know, or even like Tetris,
Speaker 3: like down to the shapes almost would be like pretty similar.
Speaker 4: Shapes would be constructed.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, it's possibly yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, and like falling down a well, right because again
Speaker 1: that's like clearing lines, right, because that feels like right,
Speaker 1: because it's like gravity and and it's incessant. Yeah, clearing
Speaker 1: lines because it's like, yeah, I deal with a problem
Speaker 1: and now I have a new problem to deal with
Speaker 1: and it never stops.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's another like truthful thing that a video game explored.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: What about like the Battle Royale genre, like a pubg.
Speaker 3: I bet there would be another Like okay, like action
Speaker 3: games will happen because they would emulate war, and then
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, but what if there's like a bunch
Speaker 3: of them and then you had to like survival style
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's always the instinct that a shooter would
Speaker 2: exist because what it what an exciting thing to be
Speaker 2: Like if I were to play a video game, the
Speaker 2: first thing you do is be like, well, I'd want
Speaker 2: to like run around and shoot people because I can't
Speaker 2: do that, you know, in real life, and this is
Speaker 2: something where I get to like get those jollys out,
Speaker 2: So I think that would occur.
Speaker 1: And like Battle Royal was like this idea of like
Speaker 1: the Last Man standing that there's just something appealing about that.
Speaker 1: There's just like that, I just understand the the impulse there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and like that that's what it felt like
Speaker 1: at the time. When the first like battery really clicked,
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, Yep, this is it. This is what we're
Speaker 1: doing now for the next several years. Because it's just
Speaker 1: so easy to understand minecraft, building, yeah, building games, crand games, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: Digging like just digging down. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that sort of stuff would be a big part.
Speaker 3: Of its stranding one one to one and the game
Speaker 3: Shot for shot remake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody's gonna make that. It's too obvious. Yeah, it's too.
Speaker 1: Well, like you wipe out every Kojo would still I
Speaker 1: just come back because he's God's most perfect creation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian and Jeff Keeley. I want to see that on
Speaker 1: a bootleg T shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredible. All right. Next up, Hello, fire Escape.
Speaker 3: Last episode or a couple ago, Dan made the comment
Speaker 3: that doctor Fernando was the official doctor a fire Escape
Speaker 3: quick question for Dan, Hey, what the fuck from your
Speaker 3: friend doctor Ryan?
Speaker 4: Now listen, listen doctor Ryan. When I think of.
Speaker 3: Doctor Ryan, I think of Giant Bomb and my personal
Speaker 3: stream first and foremost. That's where most of my interaction
Speaker 3: with Doctor Ryan. Almost all of my interaction, if not all,
Speaker 3: has been through Personal Stream and Giant Bomb. So I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a slight to doctor Ryan to have
Speaker 3: have met a doctor in the flesh and talked about
Speaker 3: fire Escape and it's like, all right, you're the doctor
Speaker 3: of fire Escape, You're not the doctor my whole life,
Speaker 3: Doctor Ryan.
Speaker 4: Give this one to Fernando.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're your giant bomb twitch break right.
Speaker 3: You just have to work constant, doctor Ryan. I just
Speaker 3: don't want you to have to work. We do late
Speaker 3: nights here on fire Escape. I just want to give
Speaker 3: you a few hours off every couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Your fingers still hurt.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, it still doesn't spend all the way down.
Speaker 1: It's much better now. But yeah, it's been over here, Mary,
Speaker 1: I mean it's this is forever now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't involved. There was a self fall. I
Speaker 2: can't be I can't be held liable for such or.
Speaker 1: Karma's instrument, right, he should not have said what he
Speaker 1: said about being able to eat that much mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: This is and and Karma worked through you. This is
Speaker 1: not your fault, Mary.
Speaker 4: Not legally liable, but emotionally.
Speaker 2: Yes, liable. In America, I'm always like, I wasn't even there.
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the room.
Speaker 4: I saw these assholes.
Speaker 2: Before I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow I am walking into the police station and describing
Speaker 3: this and seeing what they can do about it.
Speaker 2: Officer ire I don't even know who they are.
Speaker 4: How long before she can give them the double middle finger?
Speaker 4: Oh you ll fuck yourself. I didn't record fucking dies break.
Speaker 2: All of the bones in your body, officer.
Speaker 1: Damn, what would that conversation go like? Uh so on
Speaker 1: a podcast? Officer?
Speaker 4: I said, I could eat how much mac and cheese?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 4: I could eat a bathtub full of it? Eat a
Speaker 4: bat literally a bathtub full of it?
Speaker 1: And then someone called my bluff and then I slipped
Speaker 1: and fell and hurt my fingy?
Speaker 4: Can we put this woman in jail? Okay? Who made
Speaker 4: me a bathtub of mac and cheese? I think would
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 3: Would I get laughed out quicker by the police or
Speaker 3: lawyers if I wanted to file a civics so.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Police lawyers might talk talk me through this. Lawyers
Speaker 1: might think there's some money there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I'm going to my lawyer tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put you in touch with Misney, which is
Speaker 1: a shout out to everyone from Cleveland. That's all ambulance chaser.
Speaker 4: Okay, excellent, all right, great, go after it.
Speaker 2: As I've stated my entire life.
Speaker 4: I don't know this man.
Speaker 3: Then there's no evidence to the contrary. Next up we
Speaker 3: got years ago. I asked the three of you how
Speaker 3: many clones of yourself it would take to fight and
Speaker 3: defeat a Mike to a Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My new question to you if you could add or
Speaker 3: subtract years from Mike Tyson before fighting him, at what
Speaker 3: age do you think you could actually beat him at?
Speaker 3: Could you beat up a fifteen year old Mike Tyson?
Speaker 3: What about a seventy five year old Tyson? Superno on both,
Speaker 3: especially fifteen because that early put it to him. He's
Speaker 3: not that much older in fifteen people.
Speaker 4: Did you did you see the jack Ball fight? I
Speaker 4: watched it with Mary. Yeah. Yeah, we watched it right
Speaker 4: before we did our.
Speaker 2: Big podcast event, and we kind of there's a footage
Speaker 2: of us running to make sure we saw it.
Speaker 7: Yes, I didn't show the footage because there's like this
Speaker 7: clear like us being like it's star and then there's
Speaker 7: like footage of us halfway through the fight and we're like,
Speaker 7: oh god, damn it.
Speaker 2: You can tell within five minutes, not even you tell
Speaker 2: within like a few seconds of the first round, You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't this isn't happening.
Speaker 4: This isn't it. He's not throwing any punches. I mean, like, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a sad fight and a reflection of sad thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like to me, it's it was a waste
Speaker 2: of everybody's time.
Speaker 4: Well I sent for balls.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean they got a ship ton of money
Speaker 2: out of it. But I think to me, we all
Speaker 2: kind of got bamboozled a little bit. And do assuming
Speaker 2: there's going to be some kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Fight, every one of these spectacle fights is always so disappointing.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like fool me. This is like
Speaker 1: several times now where it's like I should have known better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an old man. That's an old man who's been
Speaker 1: through it. Well, it's been a really.
Speaker 2: Tough year and we've been beaten down a lot, and
Speaker 2: as Jake said getting off the plane, I can't take
Speaker 2: another l and I really need that guy to murder
Speaker 2: that YouTuber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't want to go to YouTuber get beaten
Speaker 1: to a pulp. That's all we wanted to hope.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that didn't that did not occur. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think you guys could take down Tyson in
Speaker 2: his current state?
Speaker 4: No, I think if I had time to train, yes.
Speaker 3: Makes zero percent chance for me. And I also highly
Speaker 3: doubt Grub.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a strong chance still that he
Speaker 1: knocks me out in one punch.
Speaker 4: Let's be clear. Sure, but I think if I had
Speaker 4: time to train, I would have a chance. I feel drunk.
Speaker 3: Twenty two year old Mary Kish could beat a four
Speaker 3: year old Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Four, absolutely, Yeah, I'd kill him.
Speaker 4: I'd put my money on you. Yeah, what ages I
Speaker 4: become picks him up and punts him? Yeah? Yeah, kurrent age? Mary?
Speaker 3: How young or how old would Mike Tyson have to
Speaker 3: be for you to beat him?
Speaker 2: I mean I would say tween tween Tyson. I could
Speaker 2: take him out at twelve?
Speaker 4: You think you could?
Speaker 1: I don't know as a teenager's twelve?
Speaker 2: Twelve?
Speaker 4: Okay, still I don't know twelve.
Speaker 2: He hasn't developed yet cognitively, not cogetatively.
Speaker 4: I don't know what ever happened.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's developed his muscles at twelve.
Speaker 3: No, but he was probably training to box, I think.
Speaker 3: Let me, I want to see when he started training.
Speaker 2: What about old year old Tyson? Well, let's figure out
Speaker 2: the first one. He looks pretty strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: chance you take out a twelve year old Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: No, I really don't think.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, he looks so I don't chance
Speaker 1: I could take out twelve years His first fight was
Speaker 1: with a bigger you who pulled the head off of
Speaker 1: one of Tyson's pigeons.
Speaker 4: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: By okay, by the age of thirteen, So at the
Speaker 1: age of twelve or younger, he had been a rested
Speaker 1: thirty eight times.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, I gotta go. I gotta go younger,
Speaker 2: all right, hold on, hold on, Yeah I was young,
Speaker 2: let's go. Let's go with five. I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, so five on the young end, I'll take that
Speaker 3: as well, and then on the old end, what do
Speaker 3: you now?
Speaker 4: He's fifty eight?
Speaker 2: Now fifty eight, I would say seventy.
Speaker 4: I would feel confident. At seventy, I'll say ninety and dead.
Speaker 2: Would do I get like a board with a nail
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 4: Just missing?
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I think seventy. My hope is
Speaker 2: that his heart would give out.
Speaker 4: Oh god, this year training videos, he looks pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he threw like two punches and got tired. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm going five and dead and five a dead five
Speaker 1: year old? Yeah, you could beat up a dead five
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 4: You're saying five dead Okay.
Speaker 2: Living five Dead Old.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite justin Timberlake album.
Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, finally here we got When was
Speaker 3: the last time any of you watched Team America World Police?
Speaker 3: That movie kind of holds up in some weird ways,
Speaker 3: and super doesn't, and others like mcgroober that's joke from
Speaker 3: New York. Now, I do take serious umbrage with the mcgroovers.
Speaker 3: I do too, because mcgruber's knows what it's doing.
Speaker 1: Every joke, every joke, it knows what it's doing, and
Speaker 1: it's deliberately delivering them in the way it does because
Speaker 1: it like, that's the joke. Uh, World Police was like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be funny if it was the Film Actors Guild
Speaker 1: instead of the Screen Actors Guild.
Speaker 4: And then we use that word a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: It's like I forgot that bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's a bunch of the accents and stuff
Speaker 3: that probably like a lot of the accents that can.
Speaker 2: Be heavily like relies on racist tropes, but in.
Speaker 3: A way that like I think South Park typically tried
Speaker 3: to do by being like, oh, we're being so over
Speaker 3: the top with it that it's like we're making fun
Speaker 3: of the racism. But I think even that now is
Speaker 3: just kind of like seeing this lazy And I don't think.
Speaker 2: They were making fun of the racism. I think they
Speaker 2: were relishing in the racism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the song is.
Speaker 2: Not like, oh, we're being tongue in cheek about this.
Speaker 2: You're just making a joke about how people are, you know,
Speaker 2: how people can communicate and say there're r's and l's.
Speaker 2: Like that's not that. Yeah, it's the whole fucking song. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it does not hold up.
Speaker 4: There's no way.
Speaker 2: There's no way that movie holds up. But as far
Speaker 2: as to say, I I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think like they go so far with it, the thing
Speaker 2: like that makes I also disagree with this, Like I
Speaker 2: think mcgruber does hold up because there's an element to
Speaker 2: how you can use cursing that accentuates a sentence and
Speaker 2: makes it funny. I'll give you an example, like in mcgroober,
Speaker 2: they ask like about the team, and he's like, it's
Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking good guys, and like the way
Speaker 2: he adds fucking adds to that sentence. It adds to
Speaker 2: the comedic value. It also tells you about something about
Speaker 2: who he is as a character. Whereas in uh, Team America,
Speaker 2: they use fucking almost every sentence all the time, and
Speaker 2: I think it just exhausts itself to the where it
Speaker 2: has it has lost on me, right right.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's it's funny if these puppets are swearing. Sure,
Speaker 1: this is like based on the Kids Show. And then
Speaker 1: they just kind of went that that that was the
Speaker 1: whole movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you believe these puppet these puppets, These puppets
Speaker 2: are saying fuck every sentence, Whereas mcgruber is a real
Speaker 2: piece of ship and so he's around regular people and
Speaker 2: he just can't help himself.
Speaker 4: He's aggressive, asshole and.
Speaker 2: Yes, there are a bunch of fucking really great guys.
Speaker 3: The second the second part of that line is it's
Speaker 3: after the funerals and he's looking out the window of
Speaker 3: the sunglasses and he's like, there were fucking great guys
Speaker 3: and this is a fucking asshole a day.
Speaker 2: There's something about it that I think does work that
Speaker 2: I just don't think Team America had. And I think
Speaker 2: in retrospect because I used to be a real big
Speaker 2: advocate of that group and South Park, and I still
Speaker 2: look at some of the old episodes with nostalgia because
Speaker 2: it was powerful to me, and we used to not
Speaker 2: miss an episode of South Park when it came on,
Speaker 2: like you had to see it when it was like
Speaker 2: launching on Comedy Central. And I look back on a
Speaker 2: lot of it and it's just like, it just doesn't
Speaker 2: It's not as smart as I thought it was. It's
Speaker 2: not as thoughtful. But these joke films like hot Shots,
Speaker 2: hot Shots Part do this film, they do hold up
Speaker 2: because there are moments in time that are very thoughtful.
Speaker 2: I think they're actually very smart in the way they're
Speaker 2: written to play with these characters and these tropes. They're
Speaker 2: not just edgy catchphrases to shock you.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, and the one thing that I'll even
Speaker 3: like other mcgrooover fans sometimes a point is like the
Speaker 3: one joke that doesn't hold up is the one where
Speaker 3: he's putting the team.
Speaker 4: Together and he's like, okay, I got anyp I got
Speaker 4: a mark.
Speaker 3: It's all the wrestlers, and he gets the Big Show
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, the Big Show, Hell yeah, and
Speaker 3: then Big Show makes out with the guy and then
Speaker 3: mcgroober freaks out and crosses his name out. I will
Speaker 3: say the joke there is that mcgrooper fucking sucks and
Speaker 3: of course he's homophobic, like you know, yes he is.
Speaker 1: He is the one asshole in a world of like
Speaker 1: regular people that are just doing their thing and just
Speaker 1: like are actually competent and doing their jobs. And so
Speaker 1: him being the worst in every situation, including like morally,
Speaker 1: is the joke and rules it's funny. Yeah, it's not haha,
Speaker 1: Big Show's gay. The joke is like, oh, of course
Speaker 1: he's a homophobe too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, of course he'd be afraid to work with
Speaker 4: a gay man. Yes, yes, exactly. So now i've i've
Speaker 4: hauled up.
Speaker 3: I mean mcgroover is twenty ten, it's fifteen years old almost,
Speaker 3: and we just watch half of it a week ago, Mary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or we did watch half of it before.
Speaker 4: Can Jake fell asleep because it was four in the
Speaker 4: morning or something.
Speaker 2: Aggressively picked Mike's nose.
Speaker 4: That was decker, That was decker. Yeah, Jake went nuts.
Speaker 2: Your finger was in there and he rubbed it in
Speaker 2: his mouth.
Speaker 3: So grubbed myself. I thought he would do. He was
Speaker 3: playing a little game of chicken with me. I thought
Speaker 3: he was because like he was asleep and I was like,
Speaker 3: who's gonna put my binger in your.
Speaker 1: Nose the way most people like chicken asleep and without consent.
Speaker 4: Go on, Yeah, I got to put I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: in his nose.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't moving, and I like just barely, like
Speaker 3: kind of touched here. And he's like, Oh, he's fucking
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 1: He's gonna see if I if I got the guts
Speaker 1: to keep going.
Speaker 3: And I just kept moving, and I instantly was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep going. I hope he gives
Speaker 3: up on this. I don't want to keep putting. And
Speaker 3: I got my finger pretty far up his nose and
Speaker 3: he didn't sell it at all.
Speaker 4: Oh, because he was actually asleep. I think he was working.
Speaker 2: Sleep and then you take it out, laugh, put it
Speaker 2: in his mouth, and then you do it again.
Speaker 3: So what's the defense For the second time? I thought
Speaker 3: he was playing double Chicken.
Speaker 1: Double Chicken car, double Chickens, the classic double Chicken.
Speaker 2: Classic, double Sleepy Chicken.
Speaker 4: That's a trademark. Yeah, of course he loves that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Joe, you're wrong.
Speaker 4: But I do think that.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Team America in years. Actually don't have
Speaker 2: a desire to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I meanbe I saw a YouTube
Speaker 1: video that was like talking about it, and so I
Speaker 1: started watching again and I'm like, Okay, Nope, this really
Speaker 1: really really doesn't hold up.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Last I probably saw it was in like two thousand
Speaker 3: and six with Kayla. I remember like, oh, she should
Speaker 3: see this.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Joe, there are parts of it
Speaker 4: that do hold up.
Speaker 1: I think the first parts of the first half of
Speaker 1: the movie is like pretty good, and then it just
Speaker 1: like all the jokes run their course and everything just
Speaker 1: gets run on the ground, and then they do the
Speaker 1: thing they always do where it's just like, now, let's
Speaker 1: tell you why we really need America to protect us
Speaker 1: from these savages.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe at its best when it's like mocking that post
Speaker 3: nine to eleven ultra nationalism stuff, where's the freedom Isn't Free?
Speaker 4: Song and all that exactly, that stuff does hold up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the America fuck yeah. I think some of
Speaker 2: those songs probably still have some value in the sense of,
Speaker 2: like you're making fun of america imperialism and our war system.
Speaker 2: There's there's jokes to be had about how right.
Speaker 1: Team America shows up to like save the day from
Speaker 1: the terrorists, and in doing so, they're destroying the countries
Speaker 1: that they're in and stuff like that, and they don't
Speaker 1: even notice it, and they're like just fuck yeah, It's
Speaker 1: like all that stuff does work, and then it just
Speaker 1: keeps going.
Speaker 3: I just remember the joke though, that holds up pretty
Speaker 3: well where the guy wants to sleep with the lady
Speaker 3: puppet and she's like, no, I can't, you know, you'll
Speaker 3: you'll die, just like you know, my or whatever, and
Speaker 3: he's like, I can only sleep with you if you
Speaker 3: can promise me you'll never die, and he just straight
Speaker 3: face turns there's like, I promise I will never die.
Speaker 2: Now, there's a really interesting metaphor in that film, Oh
Speaker 2: about dick's fucking pussies.
Speaker 4: Oh god, that's the whole speech, isn't it.
Speaker 1: America long You need a dick because an asshole can't
Speaker 1: fuck a pussy?
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say, oh my god?
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, you are really really impressed by your metaphor here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a college essay about dick's fucking
Speaker 2: pussies because assholes can't fuck pussies.
Speaker 4: I don't know if newspaper here.
Speaker 2: In this essay, I will explain I'm looking at your
Speaker 2: camera right now.
Speaker 4: Did you steal that book from my house or did
Speaker 4: you buy that?
Speaker 1: I bought it while sitting in that chair at your
Speaker 1: You don't care, yep, I remember you look at it.
Speaker 4: Take that from me? Yep.
Speaker 1: I literally was just like, I'm gonna stand up, but
Speaker 1: I really want to keep reading this book, but I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna buy it right now and then downstairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, books and sixty four companion.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: It's a fun one day. That make them joined quite
Speaker 4: a bit. Yeah, a lot of good a lot of
Speaker 4: good stories in there.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, grub, thank you so much for short
Speaker 3: notice joining us here, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem. Love love to be on the show. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing some Uh we got the BombCast tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Tune in for that game this morning.
Speaker 3: Six days in the past or seven days.
Speaker 1: I have nothing going on that I get. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be deeply unemployed, so yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: We have to do our countdown to the Game Awards first,
Speaker 3: So that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people that we could talk about that now, countdown
Speaker 1: to the Game Awards, which apparently I'm involved in somehow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Greb, we should have a meeting or six
Speaker 1: hundred about that, you know what, I say, six hundred
Speaker 1: and one just to be sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a month. Yes, it's been NonStop, but
Speaker 4: yeah it seems like a big deal. We're ready to help.
Speaker 4: We'll do on part for God in Country. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: All right, Mary, what do you got?
Speaker 2: I am still streaming every Monday and right now I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get through Silent Hill too, and I'm having
Speaker 2: a great time. So if you like spoopy scary games,
Speaker 2: this is the time to get on the Silent Hill
Speaker 2: to train. It's a blast. I'm I'm really having a
Speaker 2: lot of fun with it.
Speaker 4: So every month glad to hear that. Yeah, what about it.
Speaker 3: I'm doing same stuff as Grob with the giant bomb
Speaker 3: stuff and then Instagram and I'm on Blue Sky now.
Speaker 3: I'm a Dan Record dot Com on Blue Sky, so
Speaker 3: you can find me there. I'm actually kind of liking it,
Speaker 3: so maybe I'll be over there a little more than
Speaker 3: I was on Twitter for the last few years. But
Speaker 3: that's all I got for now, and that is it
Speaker 3: for this episode of The Fire's Good Cast.
Speaker 1: Real quick, I did see you got Dan Record dot
Speaker 1: Com on there, and so that inspired me to go
Speaker 1: get grub dot.
Speaker 4: WTF on blue Sky, so the registered domain.
Speaker 1: While while waiting for my kids to get done sho
Speaker 1: opping a Disney World, I was like, I'll just get
Speaker 1: this right now and go for it.
Speaker 4: So coming to DNS settings and yeah, exactly, and it
Speaker 4: didn't work. For a minute.
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, I can't figure this whatever, And then
Speaker 1: eventually the next day I think it just clicked in
Speaker 1: place and worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, grub dot w t F on Blue Sky. Oh
Speaker 4: hell yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, we're out of here. Thanks so much, Mary and Jeff.
Speaker 3: Goodbye everyone.
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