Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to that's that's Terence and Philip. That's everybody. Yeah,
hey guy, he's flappy ahead.
Speaker 2: Mike Maharty, Oh yes, you made him Canadian?
Speaker 3: Hey guy, Hello everyone. My name is Dan Record. I
am not Mike Mahardy.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Joining me is Mary kish Hi. And you may have
heard a third voice there that Uh he's new to podcasting.
I don't know if he's new to podcasting, but I've
never podcasted with him before. Certainly one Jeffrey Grub, Hello,
howdy Audy.
Speaker 1: I don't wait to be introduced. I just talk on podcasts.
I think that's a dumb rule. Everyone's going to hear
you eventually. Who cares just talk?
Speaker 3: Do you think in an average day, Jeff Grub, most
of the if you took all the words that come
out of your mouth, are more of them into a
microphone or not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, more of them are into a microphone. I don't
like talking, actually prefer not to in life. I'd just
rather not use this. The whole thing I have here,
my throat and voice and stuff that could just go
quiet for hours at a time, and then I podcast.
Speaker 4: I never shut up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe you save all your juice. Yeah, you're like,
you're holding it all in.
Speaker 4: I save my essence for the people they demanded. Of course.
Speaker 3: Yes, Grub came in on very short notice here today
because our colleague Mike Maharty had a wine emergency.
Speaker 4: Look, don't listen.
Speaker 1: I know he's a big wine guy and you like
to make jokes and stuff like that, but you don't
have to like, of course he's not having a wine emergency.
Speaker 3: No, his his sabon blanc was not the right degree
of chilled. So he has been berating a somalier for
going on two hours now.
Speaker 4: So we reached out, not a smallier's fault.
Speaker 3: Well, talk to Mike about it. He had some very
specific and confusing things to say about it, but he's
the expert. So we called upon Jeff Grubb to fill in. Uh,
why did you talk about wine, Jeff Grub?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I had some wine at Disney World. At
God was that at the Toy Story restaurant. I think
Mike Maharty would have been very impressed by that. I
don't remember which restaurant was, which restaurant it was, but
it was good. I had a cab. It was the
first one I had in quite some time. My opinion
on wine is probably the exact opposite of Mike Maharty's,
which is like, this is all the same. Everything they're
doing here is just labeling in names and putting pretty
pictures on the bottle, and in setting a certain price
to make you think like this one's better than that one,
because this one's fifty times as much, And.
Speaker 4: It's all a trick.
Speaker 1: And I love and respect that about like the wine industry,
that they're able to do all those tricks.
Speaker 4: I think that's fun tricks.
Speaker 2: If Mike were dead, he'd be rolling in his grade
ideas like I can't believe they've tricked people that they'll
higher the price of wine nicer it is.
Speaker 1: I'm shoot, I'm shooting there. But there's lots of research
about like that. There is no difference. If you do
a blind taste test with people who claim to be
experts and you and you have them taste it, they
don't know which one is better, which one's more expensive.
Speaker 4: They always get it wrong. And then if you.
Speaker 1: Tell them what's more expensive, they're like, oh, of course, no,
that's the one I actually liked, so and again I
like that.
Speaker 4: I like that there's a whole industry. That's just like
all about the bullshit that is awesome to me.
Speaker 2: So you're just belittling, You're basically like, I love it
that there's a bunch of idiots out clear two hundred
dollars on a wine and can't tell the difference, Like.
Speaker 4: I am belittally for that. Good for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we were out at a team dinner
when everybody was here in Minneapolis a couple of weeks
ago for a game of.
Speaker 4: There or that. That was last week as of this recording,
I think.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we went to this restaurant downtown and Mike's
looking at the menu and talking to the waitress about
the different wine pores and having her bring it out
and do all of his sniffering or whatever you do.
And he was telling us like, oh, this is usually
two five on the East Coast, but this is ninety
two here, this is sex one, this is a great year.
He was talking about the year and the vintage or whatever.
And then I tasted it and it was good. You know,
I've come barn up with wine now where it's like
I like drinking wine, but I swear to god, it
tasted like every glass of red wine. It tasted like
the wine I had in church and Catholic school. It
all it seemed indiscernible to me.
Speaker 1: It's like listening to a kid talk about Pokemon, where
it's like they're like so into all the little details
and they could tell you everything about all the power
levels and stuff. But it's like, yeah, I'm glad that
you have this, and I'm glad you're happy, and.
Speaker 2: About all liquor or like what about like cheap vodka
versus expensive vodka.
Speaker 1: Well, vodka is a tough one, becuz. Okay, that's another
one where there's not much of a difference. So vodkas vodka,
but you like, if you get really bottom of the
shelf vodka, of course there's gonna be bullshit in it.
Speaker 4: But if you do vodka right, it's just vodka. But
you know.
Speaker 1: Like whiskeys and and that kind of thing, those there's
a lot of difference there for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I drink a lot of Scotch and so I
got right here.
Speaker 3: I got to Johnny Walker gold and so like I
could now gold versus red versus versus blue.
Speaker 4: I could tell that.
Speaker 2: You would if if you did a blind taste.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, bonk has.
Speaker 3: Like when I was first starting to get these like
nice bottles and stuff, I was like, all right, I
want to make sure this is worth it.
Speaker 4: Here's the you know this one.
Speaker 3: Like we had just moved into our house and I
got my first bottle of Johnny Walker Blue, which is
supposed to be like the super nice one, and I
was like, all right, I just want to double check here.
And we tested it three times with like Johnny Walker red,
Johnny Walker Black, and then the blue, and all three
times I was like, Oh, definitely that one. That one's
way smoother that one's got.
Speaker 1: But you can't tell the difference between coke and diet coke.
Speaker 4: That's correct, Hey you Dan.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you know how you save all of your
podcasting vocals he tastes, He saves all of his taste
buds everything else. I'm actually not sure if this is
an egg or a salad.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: It's a bit resource. You have to it's like an RTS.
Yeah in my mouth.
Speaker 4: Mary.
Speaker 3: You know, Mike does talk a lot about wine, and
we're both good friends with him.
Speaker 2: Do you let's talk shit about him?
Speaker 4: He's gonna hear it.
Speaker 3: Like, do you just do the like not blightly and
because it means a lot to him, or are you like,
are you like taking it in and thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to retain vintages and years
of fancy wine. So usually when he's getting into the
details of like this is a good year, I don't
really know that, I will say, like, I've retained some knowledge,
generally of wine. I remember someone telling me that twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Was a good year.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, if it's a broad piece
of knowledge like that, I can retain that. But if
someone's like, oh, this is a twenty bardo, I'll be like,
I don't know what the fuck that means, but I
appreciate that he has that knowledge. I think I give
it a bit more credibility than grub, Like I have
recognized a cheap red from a nice red.
Speaker 4: But there is a limit to me.
Speaker 2: If I have a fifty dollars bottle of wine, which
I consider an expensive bottle of wine, for sure, for sure,
I could not tell the difference between that and a
two hundred dollars bottle of wine. But I absolutely can tell,
usually not always. I'm not even gonna say absolutely, I
am I'm pushing it here. I believe that I could
tell the difference between like Boda box wine and like
a nicer bottle of wine.
Speaker 4: Right, there's definitely that is true for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like if you go to Kroger and
you get like the eight dollar bottle of wine from Australia,
that's probably you would have a hard time telling difference
between that and a fifty dollars bottle wine.
Speaker 4: I think most people would. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: If we we've always talked about the idea of like
where did a PAX panel or something like that, I
think we have our PAX panel if we.
Speaker 2: I think it would be really fun to do a
blind wine tasting and actually put your money where your
mouth is. You think you're so fucking good, Like, let's
see it, Let's see if you can. And you know
what else I'll do. I'll do a blind cheese test
for Dan, and I'll have like six different types of
cheeses and you'll have to tell me what vintage.
Speaker 5: This Jed.
Speaker 3: Be really impressed, pull out the skittles and have me
identify the flavor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 2: We could do a whole tasting board. I wonder what
I could taste the difference of if if you're doing
if Mike is doing wine and you're doing cheese and skittle.
I'm trying to think of like where I would feel
confident that I could taste the difference between certain things.
I'm not maybe Lacroix, Like I bet you I could
taste the difference between all the la Croix.
Speaker 1: Would you be able if we do like the different
kinds of of like the canned waters with flavored waters,
would you be able to know like which brand?
Speaker 4: Do you think? I'm a Lacroix person?
Speaker 2: Ok, I think that I've done the Kroger brand soda
water and I didn't like it, which is shocking. You'd
think you would it would be the same, but the
carbonation style is totally different than Lacroix.
Speaker 4: So I think I.
Speaker 2: Would be at least be able to be like, this
is not Lacroix standard and I don't like it, So yeah,
I would do that grub What would you do? What
would you taste tests? Will you feel like confidence?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I'm not like a like a
super taster or anything like that. So when I'm uh,
I'm eating something, I think I maybe it's the memory
thing where it's like I eat it, I'm like, this
is good, and that's as much as I need to
think about it, because in five minutes, I'm not gonna
remember what it tasted like.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like, can you have memories of taste?
Speaker 3: Like if I was like, Okay, what's your memory of
the taste of a grape jolly rancher?
Speaker 4: Can you taste it?
Speaker 1: I'm very much just in the moment with that stuff
where it's like I don't I'm eating it right now.
I don't need to think about what it tastes like.
I know what it tastes like. It's there, and so
when it's gone, I have not like put that stuff
into words, which again this goes back to like why
I think having all that extra stuff about wine is
still kind of cool because people that don't build this
stuff just because you're you know, they build this vocabulary
and that helps them like have like a like better
memories about the things they're tasting. It helps them remember
the which ones they like and stuff like that. I
just don't have the habit of doing that with almost anything.
I'm just in the moment I like this or I
don't like it.
Speaker 4: It's very Buddhist.
Speaker 2: I mean, good for you for like living in the moment,
you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's more like a mental defect where
it's the ADHD, where I just.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, ahead, I'm not gonna remember it anyhow, yes, exactly.
Then it's finally so much said it.
Speaker 2: Finally of course, yeah, I know, remember good exactly.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I got bad brain, and I
saw I'm just gonna be like, fucket whatever.
Speaker 2: He's so ahead of his time.
Speaker 4: We're just talking about food.
Speaker 3: And it made me just realize that, uh, I am
in a like Domino's death spiral right now where I
can't you know, I'm now going.
Speaker 4: To buffaloed me entirely.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll explain, and I don't know how to get
out of this Dominoes. I get enough to where I
got two enough things to redeem a free pizza, right,
I got my Domino's points, and so I was like,
oh sweet, I'll just you know, the Wrestling Paper view
is coming up. I'll I'll just order a pizza for myself.
I can get one of those little thin crust ones
that's not too crazy to eat by yourself. Then you
go to order it, but there's a delivery minimum of
ten dollars, and so it's like, all right, well, I
guess I gotta throw on like another.
Speaker 4: Pizza sticks and then well, I don't know the mac
and cheese. Well they got the new mac.
Speaker 3: And cheese stuff, the five cheese mac and cheese would
just do it, but that's like seven dollars. So I
wound up getting to redeem my free pizza. I got
two pizzas and a macaroni and cheese and the only
thing I got free was the one pizza, So I
get it. You have three pizzas well. This started like
a couple of weeks ago, is when that first happened.
And then they had the emergency pizza gimmick where if
you buy a pizza.
Speaker 4: There's a fun thing on the app.
Speaker 3: They've gamified it where they have like an in case
of emergency break glass thing on the app and it's
super fun. And this is not a paid gig. I mean,
this is a bad situation. This is not an endorsement
for Dominoes. You get to press the thing and it
says in case of emergency break for pizza, and you
break it them like yay, pizza but ordered delivery minimum,
so have to do it again and get extra pizzas
against you.
Speaker 4: On Saturday.
Speaker 3: I did that Saturday, I only had McDonald's and Dominoes,
and now I have another emergency pizza ready to redeem.
Speaker 4: But I need to buy more pizzas to redeem that.
I mean, yeah, this is how it works, right, This
is just plausing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it always reminds me of like one of
my favorite marketing things, well not even market was like
a legal thing. When Nintendo lost a lawsuit, they made
a deal with the court and be like, what if
we pay back the customers that we basically screwed over
by doing out that we scammed, Right, what if we
gave them all a five dollar coupon that will just
put in the like we'll print it in a newspaper
and they can go use it at any store to
buy any Nintendo product they want with a five dollars
off coupon. So basically to pay people back they had,
they forced people to have to give Nintendo money, And
it was like this incredible maneuvering of like they lost,
and yet they still came out on top, and significantly
so because people to spend like forty five to fifty
five dollars to like use their five dollars coupon.
Speaker 2: That's so smart actually for an advertising I'm amazed though
that the judge was like I'll allow it, you know,
like they should have put their foot down on there,
like when it's a class action lossuit, Like the next
time someone slips and falls, the doctor's like, good news,
you get two thousand dollars off your next forty thousand
dollars back surgery.
Speaker 4: Exactly, I can't afford not to.
Speaker 3: It's like you'll get those emails from time to time
from I always get it from best Buy, and I
rarely ever go to best Buy and it's be like, hey,
so here's your five dollars reward thing for this month.
And I'm like, oh, I guess I gotta go to
best Buy. I gotta buy something now otherwise just throwing
money in the garbage. But then it's like, there's nothing
you're buying that just five hour we get a couple
of packs of bubblegum here at the no like you
have sing yeah yeah, yeah, so that shit actually works
pretty well.
Speaker 4: Or maybe I'm just stupid. No, you're just a mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think they would do it if
it wasn't effective, right, So I thank you. You are
getting bamboozled, but you are one of many people who
get bamboozled, and we are in the bamboozle season. It's
it's uh Thanksgiving, it's Black Friday. This is the time
where people are doing Christmas shopping. And it's kind of notorious.
Like there's a lot of like YouTube videos that will
show this. But you'll see a target video of someone
walking around, it'll say Black Friday, sale price fourteen ninety nine,
usually twenty dollars, and if they pull the thing back,
it's just usually on sale for fourteen ninety nine, and
so they've just put a sticker over it that says
black Friday. But it's the same deals that they always have, right,
And so like a lot of this is a part
of the brain chemistry of it's on sale, this is
the perfect time I should get it right now. It's
on sale, and you impulse buy a new TV that
you did not need.
Speaker 4: And people really really love that shit.
Speaker 1: Because I remember when jcpenny, the Apple store guy took
over jcpenny for a while, and his first thing was,
we're going to simplify the stores you're going to, Like,
there's gonna be colored sections, and when you go in
that section, when you see a color, you just know
that thing's going to be that price. And it's not
going to be eighteen ninety nine, it's going to be
nineteen dollars nineteen zero zero. It's going to be so simple.
And we're not gonna have cupe ons. We're gonna have gals.
You gonna know what you're gonna pay when you walk
in here.
Speaker 4: And people hated it, hate where are my sales?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're They love sales because they think that the
people want to think they're getting one over on the companies.
If they think that they are taking advantage of the company,
they'll spend so much more money and people and people
like you could tell them that and they don't care. Like, no,
I still want that feeling.
Speaker 3: I'm with the people on this. Yeah sure, yeah, feeling
like I'm getting one over. I mean, I miss I
think I think we've lost something in recent years with
Black Friday not being what it once was.
Speaker 4: I remember I would always go back like Black Friday,
yeah too.
Speaker 3: My sisters and I would always have a dumb ass
like gaming thing where it's like, all right, Mario three
D World just came out, So we're just gonna like
huddle around the WIU all night. And my mom made
a bunch of this pineapple vodka shit, and uh, the
last one on the flagpole at the end of every
level has to take a shot.
Speaker 4: And we would do this for like eight hours and
just be tanked.
Speaker 3: And then early in the morning, just like you know,
wake mom up or whatever ever, take us the best
Buy and she sleeps from the car and me, Katie
and Kayla like running there and we try to get
our savings and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I got Daniel Dwyer mixed up with this one year
we played a fun time we played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess they don't have Thanksgiving in Ireland, and yes.
Speaker 2: That's correct. It tends to be more of an American holiday.
Speaker 4: They're just not very thankful people over there.
Speaker 2: What it is, Yeah, they have no thanks at all.
The Dictionary thank people over there.
Speaker 1: It's all gray and rainy. They're just Yeah, So we
had a cultural exchange. I guess it's not an exchange.
I guess it's just me showing him stuff. But yeah,
cultural cultural imperialism.
Speaker 5: You just.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 3: I took Daniel Dowar to Kansas Is one Thanksgiving. He
slept on Paul Rekerd's floor, which at the time I
think had to treat dead wasps all over it, and
then we'd get up in the morning and go. I
took him to Walmart Black Friday morning. I've got a
picture of Daniel Dwyer give him the double thumbs up
in front of a Walmart while it's still dark outside,
and I was like, this is here, Danny, this is America.
Speaker 4: This is the most American thing you can do.
Speaker 2: What did it die?
Speaker 3: I think he bought like a novelty T shirt and like,
I think we got something stupid on DVD or Blu
ray that was on sale.
Speaker 4: That was a real shopper. No, get a TV. Come on,
I've done the TV thing. I'm sure get a TV.
What a bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to fight someone and just bring out
a trolley of crap you don't need.
Speaker 4: That's the way. Uh Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so he got to see that and like that
was just like the thing. Me and my sisters it
all the time. Now it's like all they start doing
it two weeks early and I see all these things,
like seeingn dot com being like, we checked all eight
hundred deals on Amazon and here's the sixty that matter.
And she's like, it's just a bunch of fucking robo
vacuums and like Dyson's and it's like, We're good.
Speaker 4: I'm exciting anymore. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I definitely like we would find the right store and we,
like me and Steph early when we were dating, we'd
be like the Target on Ohio State campus. No one
everyone goes home for Thanksgiving, no one's gonna be there.
We went there and it was basically dead, and we
got all these great deals and we felt like, oh,
we got one over on them. We figured something out.
So just like feeling like you cracked the code a little.
Speaker 4: Bit was always exciting.
Speaker 1: And you know, you always see the horror stories of like, oh,
people getting trampled and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It was never like that.
Speaker 1: There was always like orderly lines for me and I
would just like sort of a calmly, serenely walk through
store and like look for stuff while you know, Steph
went to go get the one specific thing she was
at the store for. I have fond memories of Black Friday.
Speaker 3: I worked at a game stop for a couple of
Black Fridays, And I did work at the best Buy
for one Black Friday. And I will say, on the
working side of things, it is a I believe that, Yes,
game Stop was never as bad. They didn't go as
wild with it like best Buy. I feel like was
ground zero for that type of stuff. So like if
you were working register, which I wasn't Best Buy, it's
like you're gonna I think they would do time and
a half at least. But those were long fucking days
for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what like like before these jobs, like an every
man person kind of job, Like, what was the worst
day or worst kind of event that would happen at
your jobs?
Speaker 4: My dad was Subway five dollars foot long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it wasn't did It used to be not
when I was sixteen.
Speaker 4: Really it was a specialty.
Speaker 2: It wasn't five dollars. This was like Subway has been
on a long trajectory of like, crap, we need to
do some kind of gimmick, right, Yes, the foot long cookie.
Speaker 4: Cookie is the number one gimmick in my heart.
Speaker 2: One of them was five dollars foot longs all the time.
But back in the day it was a specialty.
Speaker 4: Promo.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, you don't remember those commercials five dollars, but
I thought it was.
Speaker 4: I used to go with the dollar five.
Speaker 1: Dollars Marin arrows for five bucks, Like yeah, they did
it all the time eventually, And that's actually one of
the reasons they're in such a shitty position right now,
because everyone got that song stuck in their head and
they go there like you are, like fifteen dollars, what
are you talking about? Until like everyone's like these things
should be five dollars. But yeah, when I used to
work at Subway, long before there was ever any five
dollars foot long thing, so I didn't know what that
was like, was it like was it really actually you
get busy and like there are like long lines and stuff.
Speaker 2: People just it was just busier than you had want.
I mean, I also have to express like I am
a that was my first job. I was fifteen when
I worked at Subway. An ideal day at Subway was
no one coming in on five dollars foot long week
or whatever. It's not like we had a line out
the door. It was just busier. And it's just like, well,
I don't want to serve any of these people because
I want to be high.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: I was a bad person and I didn't want to do.
Speaker 1: All those feelings sound very familiar of working at Subway.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get you your seafood sub like
I don't want to. So yeah, any person that went
in would piss me off, and it was a very
popular time. Plus I just feel like sale people. I'm
gonna try to say this nicely, because I think there's
obviously nice sale people, but there's something about sales that
can bring out the absolute worst. And oh yeah when
they're getting a deal, and all of a sudden, they're
just like I want extra this, and I want extra that,
and I want you know, are you making it properly?
And it's just like it's five dollars, it's not worth
you crawling up my ass about how much food is
on this fight And it's obviously it's a foot long
sub it's a lot of shit in your body you
don't need any more. And so like they would constantly,
like I got, I would get in fights with people
about it. Again, I was a bad fifteen year old child,
but like I have like vivid memories of a person
being like I want extra parmesan cheese, and so I
would sprinkle the stupid parmesan cheese. It came out of
the cup with the holes punched in it. Yeah, And
then he was like, he said I would like this.
I said extra cheese. Can you put extra on there?
Speaker 4: And so I was like, Jesus, chut chut chut chut chut.
Speaker 2: Chut against the whole thing, and he said it again,
I really mean it when I say I want extra
And so I said, can you hit the extra cheese button?
And he was like, you can't make me pay for
extra cheese. It's parmesan cheese.
Speaker 4: That's cheese.
Speaker 2: That's that one's free. It's extra cheese if it's like
one the squares. And I said, it's cheese, parmesan cheese,
and you ask for extra cheese, so you're getting the
extra cheese button. And he was just like, you could
take that sub and shove it up your ass and
I was like, and then manager pulled me in the
back and said I wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: I would kill for the CCTV footage of security footage
of the Ohio subway, Mary screaming and some just roundhouse
kicking a middle aged man asking for parmesan cheese.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three times, Mary? How pist would you be if?
Speaker 3: Have you seen the like the the Chipotle hack people
were doing sometimes this year where it's like they're filming
grab Have you heard of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, they're filming so they would get extra. Yeah,
wouldn't you be furious?
Speaker 1: I'm just oh, fuck, you just order your food like absolutely, yeah,
it would be you don't.
Speaker 4: Make enough money. Uh, That's how I feel every time
these places.
Speaker 2: Industry job to deal with money? No, absolutely not. And
I think a service industry job is very valuable. I
think every person, of course, should work a service industry job.
There's lots of different you can have as your first
job that our shit, that would give you character. But
there's nothing like doing a service industry job, and I've
done a lot of them. I also worked at Texas
Roadhouse and I'm at a lot of dickheads there as well.
And it will change your mind tremendously when your food
is overcooked or whatever, how you treat the server who
is doing their best and does not make a lot
of money to hear you complain that your broccoli is
over steamed. That did happen? And I remember like just
being like my dude, we put it in a microwave.
Speaker 4: That's how it's made.
Speaker 2: There are plastic baggies filled with broccoli and we put
them in a microwave for forty five seconds. That's how
your vegetables are made. At Texas Roadhouse, I will give
away that industry secret.
Speaker 4: And I think it's.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous that, like I was getting the brunt of that
you're at a Texas Roadhouse. That's what you're getting. You're
getting bagged broccoli.
Speaker 4: Don't be a dick to me.
Speaker 2: And I just I that forward for everyone, not just
the stupid Chipotle people with their phone, but also someone
who goes to a Starbucks and orders a very specifically
unique drink that probably takes five to ten minutes when
there's a long line, Like, be reasonable with these poor people.
Speaker 4: They're doing their best.
Speaker 2: They like there's drinks that have like twenty.
Speaker 3: Steps that would kill me because like there were, Because
I have so much empathy for anyone in like the
service industry, because like my mom was a waitress. Grown up,
I worked at call centers and retail jobs. My whole
dad's side was all grocery store employees and stuff. So like,
I'm very, very empathetic with all that. But I found
out like the early twenty tens that if you go
to Chipotle there's a secret menu thing you can order.
And it was before Taco Bell called the thing a
case arito. This was a revelation at the time where
if you're asking, they could open up a tortilla, put
a shitload of cheese in it first, and then make
the real burrito inside of that. So there's a layer,
it's like a double decker, like cheese in it. Good
as hell. And so I tried it when I heard
about that on Facebook or whatever back in the day,
and it was delicious. But it was such a thing
where every time I'd go in, I'd just be like, oh,
is there anyone behind me?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: Do they seem stressed? There's a seam are they trying
to clean out? Conditions would have to be perfect to
be like, everyone's smiling, there's nobody else in this place.
I would like this case a rito, please, and I'd
be like apologetic order like, Hey, no big deal.
Speaker 4: If you can't, I'll pay extra if you need to
or whatever. But he ordered the case, so rita out
of them.
Speaker 2: You do want to do it right. I will remember
like vividly, when I was in school and we went
to Chipotle, one of the coolest It wasn't really a hack,
but just ordering double protein.
Speaker 4: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's changed that much, but back
in the day, there was like three people. Right there
was the person who put the meat and yeah beans
on it, and then it went to the vegetable person,
and then it went to the cashier person. And sometimes
in that transfer they didn't know you got double meat.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: To me, that's a victimless crime. I am not hurting anyone.
Nobody has been impacted or offended, and the company lost
a little bit of double meat, Like fuck you that.
I think that's a great one.
Speaker 4: So fantastic.
Speaker 3: Double cheese at Subway is the same way I would
always get double cheese like ge pepper Jack and Monzirella.
Speaker 2: I know you would never get by me.
Speaker 4: It's a real sandwich artists you're dealing with here. No
way I took it.
Speaker 2: I didn't tate it seriously at all. I was such
a bad employee in every every conceivable way. But it
wasn't because like it wasn't because of anything outside of
just general teenage apathy, like I just didn't want to
be good at a job.
Speaker 3: See, I was like aggressively shitty, So I think I
might have been worse than you. I used to do
this thing when I worked at the concession stand at
AMC where I would like to.
Speaker 4: Entertain myself. I guess I would do this little test.
Speaker 3: With my friends where it's like there's the nuclear like
orange like dust that you put in the popcorn. Right,
so for every like load of hoopcorn in the popper,
you put one level scoop in there, and that's already
very salty seasony.
Speaker 4: You know it, you taste, it burns your tongue. You
know when you say nuclear dust, it's just salt.
Speaker 3: It's just like that orange magic popworn dust or whatever
it is called. Yeah, hang on, I'll look it up here.
I'm sure it's like largely salt.
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, there's a kind of just
a special kind of on the It was yeah, bright orange,
and so I would like, you know, okay, so this
one showing this movie, we got a rush here, Let's
try it with one and a half scoops and see
if anyone comes back.
Speaker 3: No one came back all right next, rush do two scoops.
By the time I'm getting to like four scoops of
this ship, that like one is overkill. Then it's like
all right. That always like try to find the line
where people would come back and be like, my mouth
is on fire.
Speaker 4: This is awful. What do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 1: So flavor It's called flavor call and it's this, Yeah,
the extra extra extra salty salt. It's crazy. You should
actually order some right on your popcorn at home. It
really does make it different.
Speaker 4: I have not thought of that word in yeah, twenty
five years. Yep, he's.
Speaker 2: We have we have Australian household. So we have a
lot of chicken salt in this house, which is basically salt,
but it's flavored like chicken bouyon.
Speaker 4: Okay, and it's pretty good on popcorn, soaked in like
chicken bouyon before they put it in a bottle or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they make it over there. It's
a bunch of crazy people on that side of the.
Speaker 4: Art, mostly spiders.
Speaker 2: I don't ask how they make it. I'm just saying
it's got a chicken on the content.
Speaker 4: Understanding when they're talking anyhow, who knows what they're up to.
Speaker 2: A whole chicken in every can.
Speaker 4: Have you guys ever walked out on a job? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we walked out of I think I might have
walked out of one of the subways I worked at.
I walked out of Burger King. I walked out of
Papa John's after two days. I'm trying to think that
might that might be it. There's probably another in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: I got two, although I don't know if accounts about
walking off.
Speaker 1: If you didn't show up for your first day, that counts.
It was supposed to be the bigs Barbecue Chicken walked on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In Lawrence, Kansas, there was a big barbecue and they
had a chicken mascot that would dance on the side
of it was either iOS three or twenty three, one
of the main drags of town. You just dance and
have a sign that says big Barbecue. And I thought
that'd be a funny job to have. And the first
day I was supposed to work, yeah, yeah, but I
got to wear a chicken suit. That seemed great. But
the first day I was supposed to work was like
a weekend day in July, and it was like one
hundred degrees and humid, and I was hungover and I
woke up and I was like, I'm not fucking doing this.
Speaker 4: I'm not chick.
Speaker 3: And I'd already gotten the job filled out all my
paperwork and everything and just didn't show up. The other
one was also college. I got hired as a painter
with all of my painting experience to paint. There was
a girl's dorm that was getting renovated and they were
just hiring college kids to paint it. And so I'd
never used a roller before, I'd never painted a room.
I haven't since, and so I'm just learning how to
paint on the job And at the lunch break I
think I might have made it two days, and the
half day on the third one, I was like fuck
this and I just walked off. It was painting was
not for me, So yeah, yeah, never like straight out
of a place of business, though, like never like fuck this,
I'm out you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other the burg king there was, It's always it
was never a customer issue. Was always like if a
manager was kind of like just a little shitty and
I'd be like I don't want you don't pay me.
Speaker 2: Enough to deal with this so people don't quit jobs.
Speaker 4: I quit managers for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I walked out on the burger king the
Papa John's was like, I think there was like Red
Wings playoff game on. I just wanted to go home
and watch that, so I just didn't. I just think
I just left. I was like I was trying to
like remind myself of like the power I have in
situations of like I still have a choice. I could
just leave at any time. And if occasionally that like
voice gets really loud in my head, especially as a kid,
and I'd be like, let's just do it, let's just
do it, and I would, I would leave it, and
I to feel very empowered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I would skip school and like high school,
I would do that because I would just be's sitting
there and I'd have my bag all packed up and
stuff and be like wrestlingy A two thousand. My pre
order just came in at Funkle Land. I gotta go
play it right now. And I'm in math class and
fifth hour or whatever, and it's like, Oh, he's gonna
see me, He's gonna see me.
Speaker 4: Get up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no way to escape his line of sight,
and then I would just have to tell my brain,
like hey, brain, shut up, stop thinking, your legs work,
get up, and I just get up.
Speaker 4: And like sometimes I would hear like, hey Dan, where
you go?
Speaker 3: Nope, just keep walking, Just keep walking funkle land are good.
Hell yeah, that's empowering.
Speaker 2: Don't do that with a police. I just like, I
feel like you've learned a weird lesson. Yeah where your
bought your Your legs are apparently allowed to overpower your brain,
but that can probably put you in danger.
Speaker 1: I really like it got you, but it also gets
you cool things. That's like I did, like jump over
the fence. Well it was a three eleven concerts and
not that cool, but I jumped over the fence to
get back into a three eleven concert after getting kicked
out for underage drinking.
Speaker 3: You ran from the cops to get into a three
eleven concert.
Speaker 4: Well, security guards like mostly.
Speaker 1: That was also I was also as high as a
human could be because I like they like they left
all the weed out in the van, my mini van,
and so I got kicked out went the van. I
smoked all that and then the funniest part about this
is I thought I was being so sneaky up by
the train tracks, I was gonna sneak back in and
from like so far away, so far away. My brother
and my friend who had just gotten kicked out as well,
was like.
Speaker 4: Jeff, what are you doing. I was like, oh, you
guys can see me.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And so then I will all three of us
decide all right, we'll just go see what we can
get back in.
Speaker 4: We y out of the guys like.
Speaker 1: Like a you know, a roady or whatever, and he says,
just jump the fence, guys, just go, and I'm like,
all right, And we jumped the fence and then security
guards did seeus, and then we just jumped another and
these are like twelve feet fences, and jumped that, got
back in and we mixed in with the crowd. And
then when I left, we saw the security guards and
kind of waved at him, and they didn't care. At
that point it was already over.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get the sense of, despite knowing you
for years now and podcasting with you a lot, that
I feel like there's a treasure trove of like teenage
slash college dirtbag age, the.
Speaker 4: Bad boy years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have long hair too, just stoned and long hair and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, all through the twenties especially, Yeah,
I grew I started growing my hair in like late
high school and then yeah, that was definitely when the
dirt bagnets started for sure.
Speaker 3: What's some like, uh, you know Mountain Rushmore dirt bag
moments for you in the TV steal on the TV
of course, that's number one. That's George Washington of dirtbag things.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like, I did I tell you about getting tased?
Speaker 4: About getting tasered?
Speaker 3: I think I know that you got tased, but I
don't know the context.
Speaker 1: I was like again like reminding myself of the power
I have in situations. So when like cops come to
the door to party and it's not my house, I'm like, listen,
I can't tell you to come in, So so I'm
gonna go get the person that lives here and they
could tell you whether or not you come in, but
it's not my place. This is I'm so I'll go
do that. And they're like, fuck, you were not waiting
and they just tasered me. And I'm like, as they're
tasering me, I'm like, can't believe you guys are taste
or that's what I'm literally saying that. It kind of
like like more stunned than being like actually stunned. Yeah,
literally stunned. And so and eventually I'm like, okay, wait,
there's like now there are eight cops on me, and
I'm like I just need to go down. I need
to just go down and sit here and just like,
let let what happens happens. And that was it was
very interesting.
Speaker 4: So we did. I got to court because I was
obstructing official business.
Speaker 1: I think, is what I got. And I was like,
I want to fight this, uh twenty twoish because I
was I was of legal age. That's one I answered
the door. So I yeah, twenty two ish, twenty one
or twenty two uh. And I went to court and
I was gonna be like, hey, public defender, let's fight
this right because this is bullshit.
Speaker 4: And then and then.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but you have like a previous noise
complaint warrant that you never answered, And I'm like, what
the fuck is that noise complaint? It was my again,
I was of age, so I answered the door. My
friend was playing the guitar too loud and we got
a noise complaint. I went to go talk to the cops.
So my name was on the ticket. I gave it
to him to pay. He never paid it, and so
there was a warm for my arres. So she's like, listen,
we can get that taken care of. We'll get that
wiped away in exchange for you doing one hundred hours
of community service for this. I'm like, okay, fine, And
for one hundred hours of community service, I went to
the local animal shelter and played with kittens the entire time.
Speaker 4: It must have been really tough.
Speaker 2: It ruled the pitbulls, and it was it was yes, exactly, yes.
Speaker 4: So the moral of the story is get yourself tased
by cops.
Speaker 1: It was like I even at the time. At the time,
I'm like I don't think I feel anything. I mean,
this is weird. This is really weird because I think
it really works way better if you are resisting because
your body's all tensed up. And I was like pretty
relaxed and they just taste This is very weird.
Speaker 4: You didn't like you're super high.
Speaker 2: And they taste you, and you're just like, yeah, that's
what you want to do.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: I shoot, did not do a single thing I just
had I gonna get the person who lives here. The
thing is that there were people who were outside breaking
wind shields of cars coming down the street. They knew
they were getting chased by cops. They came into this
party with us, so we didn't know them. They came
in the party, went out the back door. So I
answered the door and like, this is a fucker that's
been breaking windshields And I'm like no, I've been in
this party the whole time. So the cops probably thought
it's like, oh, we gotta these guys are gonna get
away if we don't like move now on it. And
I guess, taste the guy and get in there.
Speaker 4: Let's just taste the guy. Yeah, wow, okay, so not uh,
it's not too bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would like do it again,
I think, but actually the anticipation of like knowing it
was coming would probably be way worse.
Speaker 4: Actually, because I.
Speaker 1: I is it the thing that shot out like little
things they shot out though there was like the little
clips in my body. O.
Speaker 3: Mine was for the one I did on myself. A
lot was probably a stunt stunt gun. Yeah, yeah, I've
always said taser, but I guess it's probably more accurate.
Speaker 4: It tastes like a brand name. I guess, Yeah, I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like look into it and see it. I
didn't like read the side of the gun or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ask like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: What voltage? You said too? Yeah, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: Very strong at all. Can you turn it up a
little bit?
Speaker 1: I was just like on the ground at a cert point.
I can't believe guys taste me. All my friends like Jeff,
just shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4: Please stop stop talking.
Speaker 2: How you got yourself into that situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just just shut the fuck up when you're
doing with cops. Yeah, yeah, to your legs.
Speaker 1: I think I did get put in the back of
the cop car. Whether they're like they'd like bring a
sergeant app to be like, we got to figure out
what happened because we totally violated this person's like rights
here and this is not like we got to like
bring someone here. News news actually what they're doing. And
so they brought out some uh, I don't know, some
big guest, hotshot cop or whatever, and I'm like telling
the story and I'm.
Speaker 4: Still like some mustache motherfucker tastes me or whatever, and
he's like, okay, okay, just cool it. I'm like, I
can't help it.
Speaker 3: I always did the same thing with cops that I
do with like call center people.
Speaker 4: Is just like super duper nice.
Speaker 3: And I was bigger like if you're angry, if them
are combative, that's when they like come after you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right when I get pulled over. When I get
pulled over, I'm like, I'm super nice. I'm like, you're
just doing your job. I'm just trying to get somewhere.
Let's figure this out. That's completely fine. Yeah, I thought
I was fucked once. Where was July fourth?
Speaker 3: And me and my buddy all all withhold his name here,
But my buddy gets a thing of satellite missiles and
we're all just like we went drove out to a
dark road in Lawrence, Kansas, and we just wanted to
shoot off fireworks. But we were doing it like right
by the road, super not busy road. But also my
friend was a guy that caused trouble and you know,
would I should have known would do something stupid. One
car is driving by in the middle of my buddy
with a things like twenty five satellite missiles.
Speaker 4: The little one.
Speaker 3: Boer beer like shoot out, and he fucking aimed it
at the car and I have I have a fucking
picture of like as I don't know how I had
time to As the car is passing, the window is
down on the passenger side and it goes in and
you hear the pop car pulls over. Guy comes out
off duty cop. The funny thing exploded in front of
his fiance's face.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, this guy was how are you alive? It
wasn't me. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I got the picture of my buddy holding it. I
took I was talking about journalist.
Speaker 2: You fucking were the witness and put him in jail.
Speaker 3: They had him get on the ground because I saw
him holding the things. It's like, get the fuck down.
You almost fucking blinded my fiance and flew in there,
you fucking like, and he showed his badge and stuff,
and he starts talking to me, and I don't know how.
I was drunk as ship and I just did the
I I, oh my god, I feel terrible, Like, yeah,
we're just we had a little too much to drink.
We didn't drive, We like you know, we got dropped
off out here and he just like I I watched him.
Speaker 4: He didn't mean to do it.
Speaker 3: I just I just was very just apologetic and nice,
and he was like, all right, just fucking go home
or something, okay, jeep.
Speaker 4: Thank God Like.
Speaker 1: That that that definitely had worked for me, Like when
I was like on the I haven't like tripped a lot,
but I did ask it a couple of times. And
one of the times, I was just like, I'm gonna
go for a walk and I was to play like
walk in someplace where I shouldn't be, and I just
basically told the cops, hey, I'm on ASCID right now
and just walk home.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to cause any trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to where I'm going and
I don't want to be a hassle and cause you
guys need any problems to like, I want to avoid
problems if I can. It was very nice and it
worked that time, and it was fine. So I tried
that again of like being nice in a situation where
we were at like a house party and I don't know,
maybe I have a thing for talking to the cops.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh no, I will go be nice to them.
It'll work.
Speaker 1: So I went to go talk to them, and they're like, look,
we're just looking for for like, we just want to
make sure everyone's okay, make sure everything's all right, So
can we come in? And I'm like yeah, we'll everyone. Hey,
listen everyone. They just want to make sure everything's cool.
They want to come in. And what they were really
trying to do is they saw someone with a bong
in the garage and they were trying to get legal
permission to come inside.
Speaker 4: So they came in.
Speaker 1: As soon as I gave them permission, they came right inside,
went right for that, like all right, now everyone's under arrest,
and I'm like, fucking cops.
Speaker 3: It's like Dracula, Like as soon as you invite them in,
they can just do whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, if you invite them in, then they don't need
a warrant. They don't need a warrant.
Speaker 1: They can just come in and they look like Dracula,
Like Dracula just like yeah, yeah, want to drink your blood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, you have to let them in.
Speaker 2: I think I have a dual system of opposing brain thought,
where at first I am a great negotiator, and then
when I have lost the battle, I.
Speaker 4: Freak out.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's when it just I've crashed
and burned and this kind of comes out in all
sorts of parts of my life. Right We're like all
negotiate for our game of the year, and if I lose,
or if I feel like I'm losing, I'll be like, well,
I'll ruin all of your games.
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 2: You know, like you don't want to play board games?
Sounds like yeah, I remember, like, uh, one time, me
and a bunch of girls wanted to get really drunk
and do a haunted house and we wanted to do
like do it in style, and we got this big
event planned even with like a limo or like getting
really drunk and the limo on the way to the
haunted house. And this was way back in the day
when we would have those one time use cameras Like
that's how like long ago this was, and we were
all joking about like how much fun this was going
to be. We were really hyping it up because it
was like a forty five minute limo drive to get there,
so we were chugging lots of drinks. By the time
we got there, we were all really drunk and they
were letting us in. Now the golden rule of haunted
houses is you're not allowed to touch the performers, and
the other one is no photography because they don't want
you stealing the ideas and taking them to a rival
haunted house oh wow, or giving away the surprise, right,
because that's half the scare for these places. And my
girlfriend was so drunk and she was so excited that
we were there. In the very first room, she took
a photo and they straight up were like turn the
lights on. And they turned the light in the room
and they were like you gotta go, and we were like,
we just got here. It's five minutes. These tickets were like,
you know, fifty bucks to get in. Let us go through.
It was a mistake.
Speaker 4: She fucked up.
Speaker 2: She's like look at her.
Speaker 4: Look at her.
Speaker 2: And she's sitting in the back like half like not
even standing. We're like, look at her, she's an idiot.
Like let's just go. And the guy is like just
so uncool about the whole thing, and it's just like,
you broke the rules. You're fucking out. And I just
snapped and was like, oh eat a dick man, like stupid,
who is this? It's not even scary?
Speaker 6: And he called the police all the police to come in,
and I stepped back in and was like, officer, these
girls have traveled a really long way to see this place.
Speaker 2: And the officer looked at me and was like, you
have two options. You can get back in your limo
and you can fuck off, or you guys can get
arrested right now. And I went, oh, is that my
only option? I can't even go see the stupid an
app and my girlfriend's just dragged me back into the limo.
You can like see me in the limo being like
fuck both of you, honestly assuming me away before I
I arrested, got arrested, or got all those girls into trouble.
But like, ultimately I thought that maybe I could weasel
my way through going to that house.
Speaker 4: And I do like that when they were like the
cops came here like all right, round.
Speaker 2: Two, and I immediately like an officer, there has to
be away. You must understand, and he's like, well, I
did hear that you called all of these people motherfuckers?
Speaker 4: Does not sound like please.
Speaker 2: Where I come from, we can all agree to disagree here.
As soon as he told me that it was over,
I snapped again and that.
Speaker 4: Was that you've had these two modes.
Speaker 1: But is it like like the crusty doll with the
good and evil switch or is there like a.
Speaker 2: Negotiator and burn it down. I think it is a
switch in my brain. I've had that happen multiple times
with police officers. I've also been pulled over the standard thing,
like Greb was saying like, You're like, officer, how can
we work this out? Like you're trying to give tickets
to bad people. I'm a good girl trying to go
to college. How do we work this out? And he
was like, yeah, what I said, I'm just a good
girl trying to go to school. Can't we figure this out?
And I'm being so sweet and he goes yeah. So
we had a helicopter clock you going ninety five and
I was like what did you And he's just like, yeah,
we have you clocked. It's in the sky. And I
was like, well, that doesn't seem like a good use
of my tax dollars. Quit and he's like, well you're
getting a ticket and I was like, well, fuck me,
then see you later. It's like you're.
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't usually go to that place, so I'm always
like all right, Like if I get resigned, it's very
much still.
Speaker 4: All right. Like okay.
Speaker 1: So I was working as a delivery driver at GYM Johnson,
Ohio State Campus, and you know, you got to get
these sandwiches to these assholes in these buildings, and there's
no place to park. It's a college campus and everywhere
it's a toezone. So I'm like always trying to find like, okay,
this is a little corner where I can if I
were to park it here and I were to get
up there in like thirty seconds and get back, the
car should still be okay. Not always there were like
they were there their sharks. There's sharks in Ohio State
Campus to the tow truck drivers, and but there was.
Speaker 4: One where I'm like, this is a game night. It's
game night.
Speaker 1: The cops are gonna be busy that you know, so
there or not, the tow truck driver's gonna be busy,
I mean, and that's all. I'm like, I'm gonna go
in here and I'm gonna park this place. I know
I can't park here, but they'll see the Jimmy Johns
logo on top.
Speaker 4: They'll know I'm just delivering a sandwich. I'll just come
right back down.
Speaker 1: Thirty seconds I come back down, the truck is already
getting ready to pull me away. So I hop in
the car real quick because he can't. He can't toe
the truck if I'm in there, toe of the car
if I'm in there. So I'm I'm sitting in there,
and he's like, I'm gonna have to call the cops
on you. And I'm like, all right, fine, call the cops, man,
I just want to drive my you know, Jimmy Johns
is right there.
Speaker 4: They called it.
Speaker 1: First of all, these people should just fucking walk to
get their stand, which was literally across the street from
like it's right there.
Speaker 4: Just let me go and we're fine.
Speaker 1: They called the cops, and I'm like talking the cops,
and they're like kind of like building, it's gonna get
worse and worse for you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, look what if I don't get out
of the car. What happens? And and and.
Speaker 1: They look at me like we're kind of this this
motherfucker like they're just like like, what kind of asshole
even asked to ask a cop like what are the
consequences of my next action? But they were just like
we're going to like force this door open and we're
going to arrest you and you're gonna go to jail
and and all this stuff. I'm like and I'm like,
but but why, like what am I doing wrong? And
they're like, you're blocking the sidewalk. They had to like
come up with something, and I'm like, I'm barely blocking
this sod, but so is he. He's like the one
holding on to me. If he moves, I can move
the sidewalk. And at that point they were they were
just stung with me. I'm like, okay, I'm resigned.
Speaker 4: Give me. I'll pay this guy the eighty five.
Speaker 1: Dollars he wanted, so that he was just like he
wasn't gonna tell me at that point. He's like, I'll
just just pay me eighty five dollars and I'll let
you go, which of course is just extortion. But uh,
I'm like, okay, cool. So that was just a night
where I didn't make any money because it's about as much.
Speaker 2: It really sucks the tips at Simmy Johnson and yeah,
that sucks to pay money when you're working, and just
know that that's right.
Speaker 1: That's where like in my brand, like I got to
do everything I can to avoid just paying eighty five dollars.
Speaker 4: But like, again, that's how much you make it at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at that time in your life, eighty five dollars
was everything. Like I'll never forget my first waitressing job
because that tips were cash, right, and you could walk
out of there with Walking out with eighty dollars cash
was god like, it was god tear. It was like,
no one can touch me. I have eighty dollars, get
out of my way. I can see any movie in
the world.
Speaker 4: Advanced game right now.
Speaker 1: I could buy three DVDs right now, three DVDs.
Speaker 4: Virgin megastore at Easton Mall. Watch out.
Speaker 2: They only increase in value. They are investment pieces.
Speaker 1: It's Criterion collection. It'll be worth billions.
Speaker 2: I love every time you, uh you bring up like
a real place. I know where it is because I
am from there too.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: I also remember trying to park in the OSU area
and how insane it is. I have like, uh, this
isn't a parking story, but I have like a vivid
memory of driving Saturday night, game night, and just it
was crowded and kind of stressful, and the car in
front of me was swerving, and I remember being like,
I said to myself, that guy's drunk.
Speaker 4: I'm going to pass him.
Speaker 2: And so I passed him, and then I went to
a stop flight and I stopped and then he hit me. Yeah,
and I remember like, uh, he gets out and we're
both like what do we do here? And he was
like you could buff that out, just like you would
in like a cartoon or something like, I'm not dealing
with your stupid ass. Let's all go home immediately. But
now when I see someone swerving, I don't pass them.
That's a lesson that I learned. I keep them.
Speaker 4: I want them where I couldn't see them.
Speaker 3: Though, because then it's like, at any point, what if
they just see I hit the brakes or swerve or something.
Speaker 4: I'd rather just like real quick get pass them.
Speaker 1: And the situation if there's a stop sign coming up
or a light, yeah, I'm I'm with you now, Mary.
But if it's on a freeway and I and I
know I can put significant distance, I will pass.
Speaker 4: Them and I'll get put them high way.
Speaker 2: I passed them in a stopping situation, I'm like afraid
of them. And that was where you can see him here, Yeah,
I said, I think I said it out loud. I'm
gonna pass this guy. I do not think he's a
good driver.
Speaker 4: Immediately hit me. I think.
Speaker 1: I think later on that night, when I was tripping,
I realized the next day was Easter, and I was say, all,
I have to go have brunch with my parents, and
then I so I drove to their house like very
very much out of my mind and like just kind
of like like like crawled into their family room and
fell asleep on the floor, and they're like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're here already, let's go. None the Wiser never knew.
Does it not occurred to you when you took the acid?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, No, that's the future, Jeff. That's come on.
Speaker 1: Don't you have that with the like any of the
stuff like ADHD where it's like a day from now
might not exist at all.
Speaker 4: Like that's like I think I have some of that.
Speaker 3: But if I were to ever try something like acid,
I think I would spend six months.
Speaker 4: Researching and feel like I was about to raid.
Speaker 3: Like ben Laden's compound, I would have those like planned
out multiple different like AI scenarios showing what would happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't this the first time I ever did.
Speaker 1: It was my friend got it for my birthday and
I was like, I'm you know, when am I going
to do this? And he's like, if you don't take
it now, and it was this is like a couple
of weeks later, he's like, I have it.
Speaker 4: You still haven't taken it. I'm like, okay, yeah, I
have to go to work at j C. Penny.
Speaker 1: Actually I worked at the overnight shift, and he's like,
if you don't take it now, I'm going to take it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I took it and I went over my overnight
from eleven PM to eight am shift to j C
Penny and it was that was. I think by the
time I got there, I had kicked in and I
knew because the lady that worked there with me, the
nice lady, was like surprised that I was there early
because my brother dropped me off because I was always
like showing up right when the clock started. And she
was like so happy that I was there early, like, oh,
he's going to finally be a good employee.
Speaker 4: It's a good employ She's smiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, hi, Jeff, are you doing And I
must have just gone trying to talk, and I had
not tried to talk, and my tongue wasn't working anymore,
and I could just see her face like, oh, no,
you were I worked the whole yeah, but I hid,
like for significant amounts of time in the bathroom and
watched the bathroom like the stall wall like breathe at
me and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's hell. I cannot I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4: I would never do my phone.
Speaker 1: My phone broke and I think that was just like
a coincidence. But it felt like the universe was not
letting it work. Like it felt like it felt like
I must be doing something wrong. And so I like
couldn't call my brother to come pick me up. And
the shift had ended, and like things were starting to
like calm down in my brain, and so I had
to like walk over to a like retail story that
would actually have a payphone. And I walked over to
Meyer and just like I called him and it's like
very early, so he's not up because it's like a
weekend and we're all a bunch of dirtbags, and so
I'd like keep calling him. Eventually he answers he's I'll
be out there. And it took him a long time.
So I'm like sleeping on the bench in the myre
like vestibule with my using my shoe as a pillow.
He just walked like, come on, let's go, and it
was fine. Af through my phone. I think I think
I threw my phone into like a ditch on the
walk over there. I was so pissed.
Speaker 3: If we ever invent a time machine, let's all summon
our like twenty one year old Selve a podcast.
Speaker 4: Together and see what she would demolish us like she
would bully us so hard.
Speaker 2: Football team couldn't pull her off of you if you
put her.
Speaker 4: You guys want to talk video games?
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Speaker 3: All right, we are back with video games now, Greb.
You alluded to being in Disney in the last week, right,
I'm sure were gonna hear about that on Giant bomba
The Air Future.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 4: I was at Disney, had.
Speaker 6: A real job.
Speaker 4: You had a red wine. I did have a red wine.
That's right. We were at the Disney dining plan.
Speaker 1: Actually, so what me and stuff are like, we don't
usually get alcoholic drinks at dinner, especially when we have
the kids with us. But it was like we'd be
wasting money if we didn't get an alcoholic drink.
Speaker 4: So we got whiskey and all kinds stuff with every.
Speaker 2: Wait, why would you be wasting money? Because all inclusive.
It was all inclusive for this dining plan. And it's
like you can get the entree and then you get
a drink and get a diet coke, or you can
get this fifteen dollars cocktail, Like what oh fuck? I
totally respect that though, because like when if I'm doing
a first class flight, which is never but like every
once a while you get upgraded or something lucky happens
to you, and your alcohol is like free, and they're
constantly like, do you want anything like a mimosa?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, this nine.
Speaker 1: Am there being like you want something like I better. Yeah,
and then they're like, you want this hot towel. I'm like,
do I, but you definitely want like meet.
Speaker 2: And plates and you're like, I'm not even hungry.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Delta is doing Shake Shack Burgers now
in first class.
Speaker 4: Jesus y yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: All right, So grab I bring up Disney because you
said you had not heard our Game of the Year.
Speaker 4: As a result of.
Speaker 1: That, that is right, I have not heard your game
Game of the Year, and I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, Well you know all three of us. You
know you've heard the podcast, you know our thoughts on games.
I want to do a little test here. Okay, I've
got a time in about three minutes on my phone
and I'm looking at our final top ten list. I
want to see if you have three strikes, meaning you
can say three games that are not on our top
ten before you're disqualified. Do you think you could hit
our top ten?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 1: So okay, so okay, So I say three games that
are not on your top ten.
Speaker 4: That'll be three strike, three strikes.
Speaker 3: You're done, but you have three minutes to just try
to name the ten and I think passing grade is
seven or above.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, let me can I look at a list
of games that just came out this year so I
can have the full from because otherwise I just will
have a hard time remembering.
Speaker 4: Yeah that bad brand.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, if you're doing that, then you have to
get eight. So just say what the passing grade is?
Speaker 4: Now? Eight?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, okay, and
it's still three strikes, all right, you righty?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hang on.
Speaker 1: I need to get this of us games of the
year just in general. Okay, yeah, this this list will
help me out here. Okay, all right, three minute timer
starting now. Okay, let's go with some easy ones. Bilatro yep,
astrobot yep. Let's see animal.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that is one strike. Okay's counting on you
for that moment.
Speaker 2: I thought I fought for it, dude, But like, Dan
is such a loser.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta. I devoted it more than mine. I gotta.
I gotta keep that in mind, that Dan is such
a loser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep that in mind with all of your picks,
because there's a couple of real stinkers on there that Dans.
Speaker 1: Uh God, would you guys have put shadowed the tree
on there. I don't know. Let me hold onto that
one for a second. Would you guys have done that early?
I know you would not have played that Laura Lion
the laser eyes that's on there. Yep, that's number seven okay,
Oh okay, I'm thinking of Dan. I gotta think of
you tube a metaphor refuntasio yep.
Speaker 4: Okay, number ten, good job. Number that's irrelevant.
Speaker 2: It is irrelevant what number it is.
Speaker 4: Okay. I need a listen to this Prince of Persia,
the Lost Crown. Huh.
Speaker 3: Okay, I won't even tell you the numbers, just in
case you want to listen to it and not spoil
it for you.
Speaker 4: Uh. The Rise of the Golden Idol.
Speaker 3: No, that should have been above metaphor. Okay, anyway, go ahead.
That's two to two yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, I'm kind of getting too guessing. Territory now
a silent hill too.
Speaker 4: No, you're out, sir, is a failing grade for sure. Yea.
That leads us to games.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think we need to do it, because
if anyone who hasn't watched the podcast would want to
listen to it, So I'm gonna stop you, right, there
and just say good try. I believe genuinely that if
I would have finished Silent Hill two, which I am
currently playing, it would have been in that top ten.
And that is on me.
Speaker 4: Let's remember another games. Shit, Okay, it's phenomenal. It is
so good.
Speaker 2: It is an absolute, die hard perfect remake of the
original Silent Hill two, which I must admit I did
not play as a kid.
Speaker 4: I actually played it for the.
Speaker 2: First time with Nina Marie on a live stream and
we played it. It was It's called Not So Silent Hills,
and we played through every Silent Hill on the original
console and I played through every of the Silent Hills
with her, and I loved Silent Hill too. Like many people,
I fell in love with this when the remake came out.
I'd like to see how true of a remake it is,
and it is. It is genuinely such a perfect remake.
They have done so many nice upgrades. It's really lovely
that when you go to a door and it's locked,
he just very quickly like opens up a little piece
of paper and writes, and then when you check your map,
it says you can't go in that door, or like
you need a special key, very clean, how it makes
you feel like you really are there with these little
extra details. The map is so easy to follow. I
lost a lot in that game. But with this map,
it draws a circle when there's a puzzle and then
at check mark when you've solved it, so you know
when you're done with an area. It's so clean you
don't get stuck anymore.
Speaker 3: That's why I fell off the original one. Back in
the days. I remember renting with my friends, like we're
going to play this all weekend until we beat it.
And we see that with Resident and it was like
we just fiddle parted around an apartment complex for hours
and just locked doors and like, I don't know if
it didn't have any version of that on the map
where fill in x's or you know, red lines or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like the rooms turned green or something like that when
you're done with them or whatever.
Speaker 2: You yeah, andy, thing like that, But there's no hints, right,
And in this one he literally writes clock, you know,
question interesting, and so it's being way more clear what
it is you're looking for and why I think that
they have found a way to connect the dots. It's
still puzzly and you absolutely can still get lost.
Speaker 4: But the game is giving you so many.
Speaker 2: More hints to just ease your way into saying, right,
I'm looking for the big hand of the clock, and
if I put it on the right time, it should
open up a door. Like it's it's giving you enough
guidance that you will figure it out if you're reading
the notes and like looking around, and so I just
really appreciate the quality of life here. I also think
that it is encouraging combat and interacting with the enemies
more than the original. The original, I don't think they
gave you very much AMMO at all, Like you were
lucky to have five bullets in that game, and in
this one, I'm constantly finding between two and five bullets
in every room, which is fantastic. It is encouraging me
to actually fight the bad guys as opposed to just
running away. This might be debatable among players who would
also say, like, it's scarier to run away from enemies
because you have no way to fight them.
Speaker 4: I think it's terrifying to.
Speaker 2: Put me in a situation where you've given me what
I need to kill an enemy and now I'm like, well,
I got I have to find it and I'm just
like throwing it, running around with a board with a
nail in it, like praying that I can take out
these legs. The enemies are just as vile and disgusting.
The visual.
Speaker 4: Changes that they've made.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can really see the poop in the toilet.
Speaker 3: A lot of gross holes in that game. I've I've
been watching Kale and yeah, there's just holes everywhere you look.
Speaker 4: And it they love holes.
Speaker 3: Is it not quite like resid Evil four? Like, I
know it's over the shoulder now, but it doesn't seem
like it's suddenly like an action game the way like
you know from.
Speaker 4: The first three are you used to aready four? Right?
Speaker 1: It's still very much survival horror from what it looks like,
it's survival horror.
Speaker 2: But I do think that it is increased the amount
that it is encouraging you to combat. And I even
think that there's small changes to the animation of the
character that is encouraging you to engage in combat. And
I'll give you an example. You get a radio and
when an enemy is near, it makes like a cock noise.
That's how you know you're fucked, right, because the radio
is telling you that something gross is nearby. But in
the new remake, not only does the radio do that,
you pull out your wood with a nail in it.
Speaker 4: Like he automatically does it.
Speaker 2: He pulls it out.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't click a button if you're near an enemy
and you can hear it like mouth breathing, he pulls
out the board in preparation. And I think that that
alone mentally makes me be like, oh, I'm a fucking
swing this board. If anything comes near me, I'm like
ready to go. And so I think it's it's mentally
kind of encouraging the character to fight, but one hundred
percent unlike a Resident Evil, which I think is you're
pumping bullets into things, at least in the remakes. I
think in the original Resident Evils you also had to
be very careful with your bullets, like super careful. This
one is also just you have to be cautious. You
don't have that many bullets. But I think I had
twenty bullets in the last playthrough of Silent Hell. I'm
not through it, but I couldn't believe I had gotten
up to twenty bullets. So like they want you to
shoot shit in the butt. I say that because a
lot of that characters do not have faces, And I
don't know if a character doesn't have a head, if
it's two legs on top of two legs, where is
the head shot?
Speaker 3: He dinitailia area, Crosby too to crouch crotch area, Yeah,
in between the legs and both of them right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I've just been shooting everywhere, just shooting them all
over anywhere I can shoot.
Speaker 3: Them now, I know, like super fans of Silent Hill have,
I guess there's a lot of themes and metaphors and
so forth, and is it to just I.
Speaker 4: Have like do you do you?
Speaker 3: I just saw it as a game about a spooky town.
I didn't realize what it was about or the psychology
or metaphors. Do you playing through to have a read
on what it's trying to say?
Speaker 2: It's very obtuse, and I think that I didn't fully
understand it. Except for Nina, my friend who was playing
the original with me, was explaining some of the characters okay,
and they all have fairly sad story.
Speaker 4: You come across characters and.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, I'm looking for my mom, and then
you'll be like, oh, that's a sad story. But I
don't think they're ever really explicit about anything because they
want you to feel like you're in this foggy dream town,
so it's hard to really understand a lot of it.
And also like, why are you like constantly descending into hell?
And who is pyramid Head representing? I don't think they've
thought all that throughout.
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: I was watching Kayla stream and I've seen the chat
and it's like, well, okay, well pyramid Head is obviously
a penis, and this boss that is a door with
arms and legs is actually about traumatic sexual memories because
it's not a door, it's a bed, and I'm looking
at it. I'm just like, I know, I don't pick
up on stuff very often, but it's like, I don't
know if these are actually intended messages or what that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you say, you say it is
pretty obtuse, I.
Speaker 2: Think, so, I don't think it's literally telling you much
of anything at all. And most of the notes, like
I have a note in the game that's like, there's holes.
I don't know what to do with all these holes.
I guess I gotta keep digging. And it's like is
that sex shit. I don't know, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: What you want all holes are sex shit.
Speaker 2: It doesn't like some of it is just very obtuse
and obscure, and I think that that's scary in itself,
and maybe much like a painting. To an expert, they
would be like, you see, the flowers are all tiny vaginas,
and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, they're always tiny vagina.
Speaker 2: But for the people who aren't super understanding of descriptive art,
we're just like, it looks good, spooky town.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a scary town. It works, it works.
Speaker 1: It works on both levels though, right Like, I think
that's where like the best stuff it can be interpreted anyway,
where it's like if someone wants to dive in deep
and they want to connect the dots, if they want
to dive into the holes deep, they can enjoy themselves.
And if they want to just be like, this is
a foggy, spooky town, if it's fun that way as well,
that's a good game.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Think that there's ever been anything in art or otherwise
that I've interpreted in two different ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think probably not.
Speaker 3: If you look at it weirdos. There's got to be
like a movie I love. That's like so clearly a
metaphor fors like, is the Shining about something beyond me?
Guy going crazy and wanting to kill his family?
Speaker 1: Uh, I haven't seen the Shining, which I know you
just see, but but I know I know I'm meant
to fix that during the Halloween, but I got too busy.
Speaker 4: The Matrix if you don't see that.
Speaker 1: The matrix is a metaphor for like capitalism and people
being in a system. It's a control. A matrix is
about control. Yeah, yeah, but like the systems that control.
It's like for like, like you are just a battery
charging this other system that's above you. You're just a
person working in the capitalist system making sure that that
the system above you could continues to run. But you
are just replaceable and you don't really matter to it.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, like I did not think about it on
that level.
Speaker 1: I just thought, right, that's that's the most like in
your face metaphor movie that you might like.
Speaker 3: I've always seen twenty twenty five times. It's only one
of my favorite mayvies. You've given it another twenty or
twenty five, We'll see we thought.
Speaker 2: About that about it with that as a battery.
Speaker 3: I've thought a lot about how cool it was when
he dodged those bullets, and I don't think deeply about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the Matrix is a good example
of like that shiit just rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just a good action movie. Who cares? But
also then I do care and I can enjoy both ways.
That's all is face off a metaphor for something.
Speaker 1: Uh, I mean yeah, because like like what really makes
a person a criminal versus a cop? And if you
were to swap bodies, like, like do you do you
take on some of the characteristics of the criminal that
you've been chasing? Like what really separates these two men
if you put him in his body? Like what remains
that is good and what remained what becomes evil in him?
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a classic trope in a cop versus robber
fiction sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, record, how about any zombie movie about how the
real enemies are the people?
Speaker 4: Yes, they're faster.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I don't think I like metaphors most
of the time, because I remember, like Walking Dead, I
hated that game so much when everybody was given a
game of the year and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's so deep though, because it's like Whe're
the you know, wh're the Walking Dead. It's like I
was shut up, like I think I just love that,
you know, yeah shut up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, huh okay, Well SHO got a certain
thing about that with the matrix.
Speaker 4: I bet there's like papers written about it or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there definitely are. Yeah, the whole bocks in fact, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Huh I already yeah, like that movie love maybe they'd
be a fun when to look at you again.
Speaker 1: The point is, if you don't find that stuff enjoyable,
don't do it.
Speaker 4: Don't force it interesting.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not considered that there was that much more
to it than cool action.
Speaker 1: I find it very entertaining to like because it feels
like I'm like almost playing a game with the movie
or the book or whatever, where it's like, uh, I
get to engage with their throwing out there. I could
see how I feel about it and and try to think,
are there deeper connections here?
Speaker 4: And I'm like exploring the space.
Speaker 1: But also if it's a good action movie on top
of that or whatever, if it's doing good genre stuff,
then I'll just enjoy that as well.
Speaker 4: Do you think if I went to class in film
school I would know this stuff? I don't know. I
do have I did go to film school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did go and you got it. Well, no,
you didn't just go to film school. You have a
film I agree you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. Again,
I think a lot of stuff comes down to just
how like when you hand something to somebody, Uh, they're
going to.
Speaker 4: React the way they react because of who they are.
And I don't know if you're.
Speaker 2: Meaning so nice about this fucking film degree and you
don't know what a metaphor is.
Speaker 4: I don't know them when I see them. I don't
think you do.
Speaker 2: Then I don't know if you've really.
Speaker 4: Played another thing.
Speaker 3: It is a thing, but it's representing another thing sneaky style.
Speaker 4: But I believe I did read that in some of
the theory that I read. Yeah, if that.
Speaker 2: Was a paper, I would have given you a D minus.
Speaker 3: I fleshed it out and pat it out and take
line spacing to make it a paper.
Speaker 2: You know, In this paper, I am going to show
you how the thing and a thing disguised as another
thing is what.
Speaker 3: We should maybe try to do I think I have
a folder in my drive of all my old papers
that I did actually do, and I think I wrote
a paper about fight Club and how deep it was.
Speaker 1: I might be setting it almost as good as Ernest
Klein's poetry.
Speaker 3: I bet yeah, I might be setting myself up for
a Mike Mahardy style embarrassing old.
Speaker 4: Piece of writing here. But let me see.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, let me tess, Well, I'm looking for this.
I will be able to find it. Let's toss over
to grub. You've been playing Rise of the Golden Idol.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I started before my vacation, and I am any time
for games. I'm a vacation. Came back and was like, okay,
I gotta like. I was in the middle of this
auction scene. Let me see if I get piece things.
Speaker 4: Together that kind of had. It's really good. They gotta
they do a cool thing with like, hey, the time
is different.
Speaker 1: And then I started realizing the whole chapter had some
like time markers and dates, so that I had to
start piecing that stuff together.
Speaker 4: That was really fun.
Speaker 1: The game is incredible still, I really like it, but
it is maybe a little bit more difficult to play
when I'm like I do have the kids around, and
it's like, oh, they need something. I got to put
this down and come back to it. And so I'm
playing in like twenty minute chunks a lot of times,
and I I'm not a note taker, and a lot
of stuff I don't take notes. I try to like
keep it all in my head, which I'm i am
admittedly also bad at, but like I try to, and
so when they come, it's like that all comes tumbling
down and just seeps out my ears. And I have
to like start from scratch a lot of times when
I come back. But that could be helpful because now
I'm like looking at stuff from a new direction, and
that has occasionally caused me.
Speaker 4: To have some insights I did not have before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would find like I wouldn't start a new
one unless it's like, all right, I have at least
an hour here to really spend some time with this,
because like if I leave for a couple days and
come back, I'm gonna forget everything, and like I wish
it would just organized a little bit better, where it's
like you know, you saw something on one index card
or piece of paper or something forever go and then
you you lose track, and it's just like, how do
I like It's not there's not like a filing system
that works really well, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so it's like I have to like, I know,
I saw that somewhere, so let's go see where I
can find it. And that could be a little frustrating
at times, but mostly I'm just like, no, I think
it's here, and if it's not there, it's like, okay,
then it's probably there and so I'll find it. But
I just I mean, I really appreciate the way the
game makes you feel like a detective because like there
are this is like you know, just the oh, this
neighbor lists next to this person, his house is white,
and all this stuff. It's one of those logic games,
but by making it a video game, even a static
scene video game, it could do so much visually and
just make you feel like when you notice something that matters,
that you are someone that's paying attention and you are
in that detective mindset. And every time one of those
revelations hits, it never gets old for me. So yeah,
I continue to be like, yeah, these are my kinds
of games, very much into it, really enjoying it. Still,
what chapter you on I just got I'm like a
little bit into chapter three now, because again I put
it down a week and a half ago and haven't
been able to touch it, and so I'm like, I
just got into chapter three earlier today.
Speaker 4: Have you played much on the steam deck or you
mainly like on a computer? Almost all on the steam Deck?
Speaker 1: Actually I play you know, I did play some of
the computer today, but mostly all on the steam Deck.
I just switched over to the touch Bad turned it
into a mouse and it works.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're doing touch Bad Okay. Yeah, I was
going back and forth and trying to get like the
stick working well. And then also the track pad seem
the track pad was the best bet with like R
two as the clicking drag basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if I want to just click quick, I'll
just click in the track bab. But if I need
to drag something, I'm using the R two. Yeah sure,
And it's it's worth great. You know, It's not as
intuitive as using a mouse, but for having it on
the go and be able to keep it with me
and treating it like a little novel or whatever, it's
been good for that. But yeah, I just I hope
they make a ton of these. They're apparently are going
to put a ton of DLC for this game next year,
so I'll be there for all of it.
Speaker 3: I never did the DLC for the last one, and like,
I do feel like by the end of this one,
it was so kind of difficult, and I kind of
just looked up a couple of the like last ones
that I would love to go back to the first
game's DLC and just be like, Okay, let's I'd like
to go back to like a simpler one, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm like, I'm into the lore of
the games in a way that I don't usually get
into with these kinds of things. But I'm like, I
recognize this guy from the last game, and I wonder,
like what happened here? I wonder if some of that
stuff is covered in the DLC. So I'm going to
go back and play that too. I played something. I
started it, but I didn't finish it.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: All right, Mary, you you're still working specifically on Mortal
in UFO fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you done one yet?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 4: Let's do uh? I only have a couple. I got
a couple.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot more to say about call
of Duty other than what I've said before is that
it's just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: Did I hear you or see you say that you
got the shark skin? Maybe it was in chat this morning.
Speaker 4: Skin.
Speaker 3: I'm a big shark man with a suit now and
I've got guns that have water on him. It's very stupid,
and I love it very much. So my two guys
are I'm Peter storm Mayer on the left faction and
I'm a sharkman on the right, and it's the right level.
Speaker 4: Of stupid for me. I think it's fantastic. I like
that a lot.
Speaker 3: And then we streamed a little bit of Zombies on
Giant Bomb, and that seemed very fun in a way
that like I didn't really ever gravitate towards zombies, but
this felt really fleshed out and solid, so I kind
of want to do more of it. But yeah, that's
just update that like that is one of the main
games I'm playing right now. But the main game I've
been playing the last three days is I am fully
back into the Vampire Survivor's hole to the point where
it's like, this is now the fourth time I've restarted
this game, and I had gone through all of this
and all the DLC on Xbox, on one Steam account
and on switch. I believe I probably put over thirty
hours maybe upwards of fifty sixty on the PC before.
But I have a different Steam account now with all
the DLC on it. So I had to restart, and
I was like, well, I got to get all the
other the old stuff before I go to Castlelvania. I
don't want to go in there, you know, like ncapped here.
So I've been going through all the old stuff. There's
like three hundred fucking challenges I'm doing like one by
one by one by one, and also like dipping out
of the Castlevania stage every once in a while. The
Castlevania stuff is so cool. It is this giant map
that's designed after it's all like the classically here's the
clock tower, here's you know, all these outside the castle,
inside the castle, going up the stairs to where Dracula is.
It's very like Symphony seems to be the one that
draws most you know, inspiration from which makes sense. And
there's so many characters unlock all the weapons, the evolutions.
It's like more than the base game had, so it's
it is just one map, but it's huge and has
numerous like almost stages to it where it's like you
beat this boss fight and then you get this item
that'll unlock this door, and then you can move past
and unlocks like a warp zone, like an actual Castlevania
where it's unlocking the different warp zones. So now I
can just warp and go straight to the clock tower
instead of having to fight my way there. So it's
just I'm fully on board again, planning on the Steam
deck a lot. I'm gonna be on a flight tomorrow
and I just can't wait to like have it melt
away in no time with the Vampire Survivors. So I
really think this is one of my favorite games in
the last ten years at this point that I can
keep picking it up and starting it brand new and
having just so much fun with it. But it's so
finally tuned to like being the most dewey, dopamine bullshit
game in the world, and I love.
Speaker 4: It for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think the metaphor is of Vampire Survivors, Like,
what's it saying.
Speaker 3: I think the game is saying that video games are fun, huh,
And I don't think there are any metaphors with vampire fiction.
Speaker 4: No, never haspend.
Speaker 2: No, that's the crazy thing about vampires. There's no metaphor.
Speaker 4: They just are sarcasm. So I'm gonna guess it's a
sex thing. mPire is a sex thing occasionally.
Speaker 3: Look maybe just like one let me dial it back.
I've read bram Stoker's Dracula. I love that book. Do
you think bram Stoker in his mind when he was
thinking about this Dracula ords like, I'm gonna it's about sex?
Speaker 1: Really, I think that it doesn't matter in that case
because because humans are so like saturated in sexual desire
that almost anything they create, that stuff comes through. And
when you deal with characters that are like taking fluids
from another human being and that's like their main way
of doing things, like there is a inherent sexual sexuality
to that stuff, fluid.
Speaker 2: From each other.
Speaker 3: Dan, But not if bram Stoker didn't mean that, now
that doesn't someone just being filthy?
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't matter, especially in that case that do
you want to hear if I could always come up
I feel like with a bullshit metaphor for anything, right.
Speaker 4: So it's like, tell me why the rock is about
blow jobs?
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, that's that's not exactly what I meant for.
Speaker 4: I was pretty cocky. I could do anything with a metaphor.
Speaker 1: I was saying, I could come up with a metaphor
for Vampire Survivors right where it's like, it's not not
about like the set dressing. It's about like, okay, a
game where you you move around like like in the
same way that jazz Can doesn't have like lyrics, right,
but you it still makes you feel stuff and like
it begin makes your brain feel things when you're playing
this game. It's like, Okay, it's my relationship to moving
through space and trying to manage the onslought of just
never ending stress. And that's very much like life and
and and like your ability to be able to take
all that information at one time and move around it
and become like move with the flow of that energy
and move around things. You get to the get into
that feeling. And that could be very similar to like, Okay,
if I just sort of let things go in life
and I try to move with the flow. This is
replicating that to a certain degree. And I definitely feel
that way with games like that or Tetris.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's the kind of thing where I would
beg I like to think about that sort of.
Speaker 4: Thing with games like this. But did poncol plan On
that guy mean that one? Actually yes, really, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel that the creator didn't intend it. It's just
people saying a bunch of words.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is we're talking about the art
and the artist and then the interpretation of the art.
Speaker 4: So then wrong if it wasn't intended.
Speaker 2: It's not that's actually not accurate because once the art
is in the world, the interpretation can take on a
life of its own.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, all that matters to me is how I
feel like. I don't care what he made it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the art. It does matter what
the artist intended. But at some point how you interpret
the art wins because it's in.
Speaker 3: A way that I interpret the matrix without understanding any
of what it's trying to sell. Yes, I'm interpreting it
in my own reality.
Speaker 2: All writers are crying when they realized that they cannot
get the message through to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all writers, huh, I know what it's like to
be a writer. I held up two of my books that.
Speaker 4: I put out. Those are c minus.
Speaker 3: Someone who's put out books and has maybe the authority
on this podcast about this author, we'll.
Speaker 2: See after we read that review on what the theme
of fight Club was.
Speaker 4: I got a point. I can't find them on this computer.
Speaker 3: I think it's not a hard drive right here, But okay,
maybe the break, I'll plug it in because I bet
it's real bad.
Speaker 4: During the break, I'll grab it real quick. All right, cool?
Speaker 3: That was me talking about Castle Vania, and then real
quick before we go to you up at fifty, I'll
just mentioned like a post mortem here Astrobot, because you know,
we talked since we found out this game existed, specifically
like grab an Eye, Manati and then others that wanted
to speed run it. What are your thoughts now that
it's all said and done, grubcause I know you kind
of fell off. I don't know if you intend I'm
going back in.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got super busy, yeah, because it was
like when I was playing, it was like all my
time was going towards that, and I couldn't like maintain.
Next I went to your house, we did the fundraiser,
and since then it's been hard to make it make
sense because I'm like I knew I had the Disney
trip coming up, and there were other stuff happening with
work that we have, all these meetings and stuff like that.
So it got to a point where it was like, Okay,
I need to like wait until we get on the
other side of this. And in my mind it was
like when I get back from Disney's, now I'm here
and I'm like, Okay, I have three levels that I
need to spend a lot of time with. I'll just
go in there, I'll play them, I'll try to set
a good time and all those see where I land
on the global leader board, and then start looking for
places where I can draw time and try to get
down as much as possible.
Speaker 4: Where are you at, like globally for that overarching leaderboard?
Do you now last I played?
Speaker 3: It was like a day or two after that last
level came out and I did break into the top
hundred of the overall and then I think pretty quickly,
I think within a.
Speaker 4: Few hours that first day I fell out.
Speaker 3: So if I were to guess, I'm probably between like
three hundred and five hundred right now TOTA. But yeah,
I'm so glad that they added that cumulative thing, because
that is something where it's like huge, Oh for now
I can hang my hat on it. We're like, oh
you might, you know, Betelly, you might have me beat
on this one, but cumulatively, you know, like I'm the
real winner here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, Yeah, And it's true because I like
that's a big part of It's like having the ability
to like perform in all the levels is something that
I think I treasure as well. So I'm gonna I'm
going back into it. I want to play a lot
of it. It might play a lot over Thanksgiving break here,
we got some days off. I might try to, like, yeah,
get something done there. That's one where it's like now
and then it's all out. I could just stream that
and play those levels over and over again. So might
try to make that happen. But I like how I
feel about it overall is like I think they did
a pretty good job. I like all the levels they had.
I think that they played around with the gimmicks in
the right way. They used the nice spread of different
kinds of tricks, and then they had like tricks within
those levels of like okay, think about using the ice
skating stuff in a way that you didn't before.
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, okay, fantastic elements in the environment. This
whale will bop your head up, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yep, and having them like clearly like, oh they thought
about all this stuff and they built a really cool
speed running level. It's uh, you don't get that from
a lot of big developers where they take their games.
Speaker 4: They're made one way and like, let's think about it.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to do this as fast as possible,
like really as fast as possible, what could we do here?
And they did and they do what they did with
the entire game. They made an amazing experience that you
just kind of can't get anywhere else.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think we're of the same mind
about it, and I would love to if you get
into those later levels, I'd love to get back.
Speaker 4: Down there and go against you. Yeah, it's happened. I
think let's let's start it back up again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one more speed challenges between the two
of you, Like who who's who.
Speaker 4: Has more number ones.
Speaker 3: Now I'll break k fave a little bit here and
say that I have bullshitted and acted like I've beaten
grub at elements of the first Asterbot.
Speaker 2: Nobody can be grub I brought this up just to
hurt you.
Speaker 3: Well, no, that was just a preference. I was going
to give him that one because it is true. He
was much better than me at the first level of
this current game and kind of all the old ones
at this point. But right now, as of this recording,
I do believe I have the best cumulative time, probably
because the other guys haven't played the other levels.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and was he not on the leaderboard because
that doesn't not true.
Speaker 1: I think that you still have to beat on the
third one, which I was having trouble with. So I'm
like that. I think that's one of the things where
it's like, this is going to take time to like
really learn this, and I don't have that right now.
And that was like, oh God, so I need to
just put this aside because it's going to stress me
out if I start thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I love how Kayla approached that, where it's like she
did that first level and recognize quickly like, oh, I'm
good at this, but this is going to be so
frustrating and takes so much fucking time that like she
just bowed out after that first one.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean to be let's be clear what happened there.
I broke her all right, like you did.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's seeing like an eight hour stream trying to
beat my time the last time I said on that
and she couldn't do it and then she was done. True.
I do, I feel bad, but I don't. Actually, so
she didn't cut your hair, Yeah she did. She got
her revenge, that's true. Yeah, cut my hair in a
gingerbread man suit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a good streak both place for long streams. Recently
were the kids? Yes, all right, Mary, So UFO fifty,
we talked about the bit of a game of the year,
But have you just like fully honed in on one game.
Speaker 2: I'm just playing a little bit more of it. This
was like a thinner week for all of us. So
it's like I'm bringing it up because I did put
probably four more hours into Mortal, which is a very
specific game. I think it's the best game in UFO fifty.
There's a lot that I don't like. There's maybe less
than ten that I'm like, hey, I could play these,
and Mortal is like the one where I'm like they
had something here.
Speaker 4: This is a cool concept.
Speaker 2: It's a fun gimmick where you like your men coming
down from a plane, and you have to either you
have to die to get through these levels, and you
either have to explode turn into a rock, and there's
lots of different ways you can die, and it's educating
you each level. I don't know how far you both
have gotten, but in the later levels it's getting psychotic.
I'm I've made it to the final level and it
is very difficult. You have to save your men, So
I've replayed levels one through six, like right.
Speaker 1: Because you're the number of men that the number of
lives you have carries over it returns you. So if
you play better, you'll have more men to move for
the next round.
Speaker 2: Correct, And to the game's credit, let's say I I've
played it really well and I play level three again
and I do worse. It takes my best score, Okay,
so I don't ruin anything by.
Speaker 4: Trying it again.
Speaker 1: So if you like played through, like you know, level five,
and you will and back to level two and replay that,
would that get added on top or would you have
to then go play three, four, five again?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's cumulative, where at the end of a
level it says whether you added men or lost men, okay,
And so like every time you play, there's a certain
amount of men you can gain, and then you have
to get rid of some of them, of course, but
towards the end at the if you go to the
level on the right, it'll say plus seven plus eight
minus twenty, and so you want those to all be
in the plus and so the game knows if you
go back and play two and now you're plus twelve,
it knows to just add those cumulatively.
Speaker 4: Okay. I like that a lot. It's really nice.
Speaker 2: So it's clean because you you do get a little
tired playing the same goddamn level. But I've gotten really
good at certain levels where I've uncovered the mechanic of
what they wanted me to do. And that's really neat
when you like see the level design and you're like
why why is that there? And it's like, oh my god,
if I clog this drain, it drains the lake, which
kills the fish, and when you kill enemies you get
men back. Baby the hell, yeah, I'm gonna teach you. So, like,
there's other ways you can manipulate the space as well.
There's platforms. When you stand on them, they fall, and
if you turn into a rock and then you stand
on your man and an enemy is coming. You can
just hit it on the top of its head and
you kill it and you get a man back, and.
Speaker 4: It's shooting men.
Speaker 2: It's shooting enemies at you, so you can just constantly
kill them. And at some point the game's like, oh,
you've you've figured this out, and it stops sending enemies
at you because you've accumulated three men out of it,
instead of.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of layers to it, and so
there's some really interesting mechanics later on. So, like I said,
they get this like really fun. I don't think you've
gotten to the fish. Then the fissure no freaking crazy
because they eat you and they digest you. There's no body,
so you don't get to utilize your deadness, like you
half have to avoid getting eaten or it's a waste
of a body. And then there's areas in the in
the game where the only way to get out of
the water because it's maybe like two steps high, you
have to drown, which is really interesting, and then you
can stand on your dead drought.
Speaker 4: Oh you play the swaps floats. I don't think I
played Swapper.
Speaker 3: That was a thing where it's like very similar early
twenty tens, but you you were basically it was a
sci fi type thing where you would die, but then
you could like use the stuff you did before and
you know, jump on your corpse and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: See that's the mecan't they steal these mechanics.
Speaker 4: Like you know, Ratchet and Clank.
Speaker 3: One of them on PS three had this thing where
it's like the Clank levels where you would like record
Clank doing something and then you'd start as another clank
and then like you know, do the things concurrently. It's
hard to explain, but uh yeah, yeah, this felt like
a weird, like almost Lemmings type take on it, like
a retro take on this concept.
Speaker 2: And it's getting smart. Yeah, it's getting really interesting. Now.
Speaker 3: I checked to see if there's speed run later boards
for this, and yes, the number one has beaten this
game in sixteen minutes and forty one seconds.
Speaker 4: Wow, I kind of Mary. Have you played Mortal too
at all? Okay, there's a second one hul to Mortal?
What how is that possible?
Speaker 1: It's I was like, I guess, like, are you worried
about like spoilers of like the lineage of games inside
UFO fifty.
Speaker 4: I don't know how, I don't, Oh.
Speaker 1: Prescireus you okay, So yeah, there's yeah, there's a lot
of a sequels to the games earlier in the UFO,
like a library that show up later in UFO fifty.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, that's cool. I'd like to. I'd like to.
Speaker 2: This is like the one that hooked me. I haven't
gotten hooked by any of these games that much. I've
I've enjoyed some. I played Party House or Party whatever,
the one that.
Speaker 4: You liked it, like, I have not touched that one.
It's okay. I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's bad. I think it's fine. I've
played it and was like interested in trying to beat it,
but nothing's gripped me, Like Mortal has very good.
Speaker 1: You use the clicker game, the Alien clicker one's fun.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've played all fifty.
Speaker 2: I've been through all fifty, but I think some of
them I was like whatever and like like quit within
like two minutes.
Speaker 4: I have a low tolerance.
Speaker 2: When I was just like I'm not learning all this shit,
Like that's not happening.
Speaker 3: The second I like had to go to a town
and talk to someone who was like, this feels like
a JRPG.
Speaker 4: I need to get out of herey.
Speaker 2: How does one feel intertwined with another reality and dance?
Speaker 4: I see what you're doing it. I'm not gonna fall
for it. No metaphors for this guy.
Speaker 1: One of the things I like about UFO fifty with
the sequel stuff is like a lot of them are like, oh,
this is made by the same team. They'll have like
either the real team or the fictional teams, like listing
on the copyright. And there's a couple where it's like,
this is the sequel, but it's made by a different team.
So I'm like, is this gonna be a very different game?
And I think, yeah, sometimes that's the way they'll do it.
Speaker 3: So some Snakes Revenge stuff where it's like here's Metal Hero,
but then Snake's Revenge wasn't Kajima, you know, like I
think it right almost.
Speaker 1: Exactly like that, yeah, exactly, And it's like there's said
like there's a lot of like cool attention to detail
on that side of things that I really.
Speaker 4: Appreciate about UFO fifty. That's another one that I just got.
Speaker 1: I need so much more time to explore all that
stuff that I haven't been able to appreciate it fully.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that with the amount of not that I
put that many hours, but for like putting eight to
ten hours into into Mortal, I still can't beat it.
I have to put more time into I need to
save more men in levels five through eight, because the
final two are motherfuckers. There's no longer a plane. That's
the crazy one.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: You know how like when you die, you.
Speaker 2: Just drop right out of the plane, right, okay, In
the last two levels you come out of like a
little hole, and if you die, it goes all the
way back to the hole. You gotta go through a
lot of places, and there are checks brutal, there's checkpoints,
but it's fewer and further between, so it's a lot
easier for you to just burn through. Good men and
just with waves and waves of good men have.
Speaker 4: Lost their metaphor for war. You know, I think the.
Speaker 2: Real yeah, the real loss is that we were the
men the whole time.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, problem man, you think they intended that? Damn
it must have. It's about sex, blow jumps holes.
Speaker 2: Those guys are all fucking we know, going nuts.
Speaker 4: Clearly a penis just look at it.
Speaker 2: I'm going hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, absolutely, all right, I'm educated.
Speaker 4: Now. All right, that is it for our games this week.
Speaker 3: We do have some emails coming up, and I will
grab this hard drive here and see if I can
embarrass myself. We will be back very soon. All right,
We're back, and I have found my paper from Theater
and Film two eighty three, my class at the University
of Kansas. Uh So this is let's see if I
understood film and metaphor in two thousand and two. This
is my paper, Jack's Smirking Revenge, an analysis of fight Club.
All Right, fight Club is a film that speaks directly
to its generation.
Speaker 4: Shit, oh doesn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh No, Millions of skeptical, pessimistic young men and women
cite Fight Club is their favorite movie of all time. Okay,
there's no source on this fight Club because it seems
to transcend what movies generally contribute contribute to the mindset
of the viewer. It is a film that has changed
countless outlooks on life and contributed to many personal philosophies.
On this paper. There's no bibliography or anything. One of
the most brutally honest movies ever made. Fight Club spoke
to our generation bitter about countless promises of a successful
life contrasted with the truth of reality. It spreads its
message through a complex maze of unique editing techniques, wonderful acting,
perfect lighting, and one of the most effective and memorable
twists in movie history. Okay, I'll just give this up
just for the sake of brevity.
Speaker 4: This is a called thing.
Speaker 1: It does sound like you're bullshit. It does sound like
you complete bullshit. You are just like you're like, what
are some things it does?
Speaker 2: I need a third thing. It's really good act it's
got hot sex.
Speaker 1: Scenes, it's got editing lights and actors come on movies.
Speaker 4: Until Fight Club.
Speaker 3: I think I'm getting deeping in here and another break
from the norm. The protagonist of the film is a
very flawed human being.
Speaker 1: It was the first movie to have a flawed protagonist,
flawed character in a movie.
Speaker 2: I might even say he's almost some kind of anti hero.
Speaker 4: Why I sit here?
Speaker 3: It's similar to a clockwork orange because Edward is a
man who is so depressed about his own life. He
frequents self help seminars for people with terminal cancer so
we can feel better about his own. There are no
heroes or villains in fight Club, only individuality versus conformity.
Speaker 1: Oh my, it just it does sound a lot like
any conversation you would have had with someone about fight
Club in college.
Speaker 4: I was that.
Speaker 3: I was that kid who watched a bunch of Tarantino
movies in high school.
Speaker 4: Thought I undersaid movies.
Speaker 3: I saw some Kuber stuff and then yeah, okay, and
I'm just saying, like, the lighting's good, the soundtrack's good.
Speaker 4: I say it was good. You said the lighting was perfect. Mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: I literally all of my short films and shows, and
so I did in college, I did not want I
didn't use lights because they seemed.
Speaker 4: Like too much of a hassle. It all looks like shit.
Speaker 3: Okay because of this reason, okay, rare occurrence of a
film that's noticeably better upon his second viewing. Blah blah
blah blah bah. Let me see I get deep in
the final paragraph. Okay, final paragraph.
Speaker 2: In conclusion.
Speaker 3: In conclusion, this film could have easily been just another
that simply tries to add to an individual's personal philosophy,
but it is proposed and produced in such a way
that makes it stand far out from the thematically similar films.
It avoided this by using big name stars, intriguing marketing,
and an entirely unique package of filmmaking.
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: It is a film that doesn't seem to borrow from
any others. Rather, it invents its own in an effort
to spread its ideals. Every detail of the film's production
is unique to Fight Club and Fight Club alone. It
is through these measures that the message of this movie
has reached so many people. No, I'd never what is
the message.
Speaker 4: That I'm talking about. It sounds like you've never mentioned it,
which I don't think you did. I don't think I
did either. Wow. That sucks shit D minus Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think at a certain point it's like,
you know, you're a professor, You get a paper like that,
you see a million like that, What.
Speaker 4: Do you do club? Whatever exactly you fucking did like that.
Speaker 2: Poor professor probably had to read so many Wi Fi
Club is really fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Dot doc from a bunch of kids who did not
understand that it was supposed to be supposed to suck.
Speaker 1: Oh. I definitely, I definitely had a community college professor
that was like, you could write about any movie except
flight Club that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's exhausting and people are wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't understand jezus I bet I was insufferable.
Speaker 4: Talking about movies.
Speaker 1: I mean it just sounds like you're you're you wrote
a paper to get a grade. Like that's what that
paper sounds, Yes.
Speaker 4: What it was.
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's like this is like a
minor speeding ticket in douchebaggery.
Speaker 4: Like that's it. Like this is not that bad compared
to my heart is about the author. I'm looking better here.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't have to throw Maharty under the bus.
This is your show. That's where you do that. You
can do that, Okay, I'm about the wine, all right,
that's right, Okay, Fuja dot Org.
Speaker 2: We'll add it to it. We'll let the audience decide.
Speaker 4: God. All right, onto the emails.
Speaker 1: Uh, first one here, wait real quick, what do you
think so if you had to say something that Fight
Club is about now other than like the satire, Yeah.
Speaker 3: About just angry, toxic masculinity and trying to find meaning
in lives that they just didn't have anything else going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was the only thing I knew.
Speaker 1: Try to find human connection and not knowing how to
do that and so it has to come through it
through Yeah. Yeah, that's completely fair, completely good rating.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go back to college and get a
new degree. I'm gonna double it. Yeah, film degree too. Yeah,
plus a search for Curly's gold. I wouldn't be because
I wouldn't get to keep the things that I left
college with because I've gotten stupider.
Speaker 2: You're just watching dumber movies. Why face off is actually
a cry for help?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: First email is from Eric from Saskatchewan. If all Earthlate
knowledge was wiped from Earth and we had to start
from square one, science textbooks would eventually come back unchanged
because science is experimentation and observation. If all games were
wiped out and we had to start from square one,
which ones do you all think would come back just
the same. That's Eric from Saskatchewan. That's a great email.
Brothers just like it, Like you know.
Speaker 4: It's somebody just like it, because like, isn't that the game?
Speaker 1: Like this is like what I was kind of getting
too early about, like the the like Vampire Survivors and Tetrists,
like there are some things that like kind of get
to a truth of the medium of of Like when
you played Super Mario Brothers, the physics felt right.
Speaker 4: It's not, they just felt good. It feels right.
Speaker 1: This is like exploring something that feels truthful about momentum
and physics and our interaction with those things. So I
think at a certain point someone would stumble up upon
that because it feels right.
Speaker 4: I agree. Like the lighting in Fight Club, it's perfect,
it's perfect.
Speaker 7: Battlefield Earth, perfect lighting, sick marketing.
Speaker 4: Perfect lighting, says man who doesn't know anything about lighting,
who thought lights were quote as.
Speaker 1: Unnecessary for film production, your to one hundred, God damn it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Tetris or like you know, or even like Tetris,
like down to the shapes almost would be like pretty similar.
Speaker 4: Shapes would be constructed.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, it's possibly yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, and like falling down a well, right because again
that's like clearing lines, right, because that feels like right,
because it's like gravity and and it's incessant. Yeah, clearing
lines because it's like, yeah, I deal with a problem
and now I have a new problem to deal with
and it never stops.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's another like truthful thing that a video game explored.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: What about like the Battle Royale genre, like a pubg.
I bet there would be another Like okay, like action
games will happen because they would emulate war, and then
it's like, oh, but what if there's like a bunch
of them and then you had to like survival style
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's always the instinct that a shooter would
exist because what it what an exciting thing to be
Like if I were to play a video game, the
first thing you do is be like, well, I'd want
to like run around and shoot people because I can't
do that, you know, in real life, and this is
something where I get to like get those jollys out,
So I think that would occur.
Speaker 1: And like Battle Royal was like this idea of like
the Last Man standing that there's just something appealing about that.
There's just like that, I just understand the the impulse there.
So yeah, and like that that's what it felt like
at the time. When the first like battery really clicked,
Everyone's like, Yep, this is it. This is what we're
doing now for the next several years. Because it's just
so easy to understand minecraft, building, yeah, building games, crand games, yes, yeah,
Digging like just digging down. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that sort of stuff would be a big part.
Speaker 3: Of its stranding one one to one and the game
Shot for shot remake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody's gonna make that. It's too obvious. Yeah, it's too.
Speaker 1: Well, like you wipe out every Kojo would still I
just come back because he's God's most perfect creation. Yeah,
Brian and Jeff Keeley. I want to see that on
a bootleg T shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredible. All right. Next up, Hello, fire Escape.
Speaker 3: Last episode or a couple ago, Dan made the comment
that doctor Fernando was the official doctor a fire Escape
quick question for Dan, Hey, what the fuck from your
friend doctor Ryan?
Speaker 4: Now listen, listen doctor Ryan. When I think of.
Speaker 3: Doctor Ryan, I think of Giant Bomb and my personal
stream first and foremost. That's where most of my interaction
with Doctor Ryan. Almost all of my interaction, if not all,
has been through Personal Stream and Giant Bomb. So I
don't think it's a slight to doctor Ryan to have
have met a doctor in the flesh and talked about
fire Escape and it's like, all right, you're the doctor
of fire Escape, You're not the doctor my whole life,
Doctor Ryan.
Speaker 4: Give this one to Fernando.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're your giant bomb twitch break right.
Speaker 3: You just have to work constant, doctor Ryan. I just
don't want you to have to work. We do late
nights here on fire Escape. I just want to give
you a few hours off every couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Your fingers still hurt.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, it still doesn't spend all the way down.
It's much better now. But yeah, it's been over here, Mary,
I mean it's this is forever now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't involved. There was a self fall. I
can't be I can't be held liable for such or.
Speaker 1: Karma's instrument, right, he should not have said what he
said about being able to eat that much mac and cheese.
This is and and Karma worked through you. This is
not your fault, Mary.
Speaker 4: Not legally liable, but emotionally.
Speaker 2: Yes, liable. In America, I'm always like, I wasn't even there.
I wasn't in the room.
Speaker 4: I saw these assholes.
Speaker 2: Before I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow I am walking into the police station and describing
this and seeing what they can do about it.
Speaker 2: Officer ire I don't even know who they are.
Speaker 4: How long before she can give them the double middle finger?
Oh you ll fuck yourself. I didn't record fucking dies break.
Speaker 2: All of the bones in your body, officer.
Speaker 1: Damn, what would that conversation go like? Uh so on
a podcast? Officer?
Speaker 4: I said, I could eat how much mac and cheese?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 4: I could eat a bathtub full of it? Eat a
bat literally a bathtub full of it?
Speaker 1: And then someone called my bluff and then I slipped
and fell and hurt my fingy?
Speaker 4: Can we put this woman in jail? Okay? Who made
me a bathtub of mac and cheese? I think would
I have?
Speaker 3: Would I get laughed out quicker by the police or
lawyers if I wanted to file a civics so.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Police lawyers might talk talk me through this. Lawyers
might think there's some money there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I'm going to my lawyer tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put you in touch with Misney, which is
a shout out to everyone from Cleveland. That's all ambulance chaser.
Speaker 4: Okay, excellent, all right, great, go after it.
Speaker 2: As I've stated my entire life.
Speaker 4: I don't know this man.
Speaker 3: Then there's no evidence to the contrary. Next up we
got years ago. I asked the three of you how
many clones of yourself it would take to fight and
defeat a Mike to a Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My new question to you if you could add or
subtract years from Mike Tyson before fighting him, at what
age do you think you could actually beat him at?
Could you beat up a fifteen year old Mike Tyson?
What about a seventy five year old Tyson? Superno on both,
especially fifteen because that early put it to him. He's
not that much older in fifteen people.
Speaker 4: Did you did you see the jack Ball fight? I
watched it with Mary. Yeah. Yeah, we watched it right
before we did our.
Speaker 2: Big podcast event, and we kind of there's a footage
of us running to make sure we saw it.
Speaker 7: Yes, I didn't show the footage because there's like this
clear like us being like it's star and then there's
like footage of us halfway through the fight and we're like,
oh god, damn it.
Speaker 2: You can tell within five minutes, not even you tell
within like a few seconds of the first round, You're like, oh,
this isn't this isn't happening.
Speaker 4: This isn't it. He's not throwing any punches. I mean, like, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a sad fight and a reflection of sad thing. Yeah,
it's just like to me, it's it was a waste
of everybody's time.
Speaker 4: Well I sent for balls.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean they got a ship ton of money
out of it. But I think to me, we all
kind of got bamboozled a little bit. And do assuming
there's going to be some kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Fight, every one of these spectacle fights is always so disappointing.
You know, I feel like fool me. This is like
several times now where it's like I should have known better. Yeah,
that's an old man. That's an old man who's been
through it. Well, it's been a really.
Speaker 2: Tough year and we've been beaten down a lot, and
as Jake said getting off the plane, I can't take
another l and I really need that guy to murder
that YouTuber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't want to go to YouTuber get beaten
to a pulp. That's all we wanted to hope.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that didn't that did not occur. I mean,
do you think you guys could take down Tyson in
his current state?
Speaker 4: No, I think if I had time to train, yes.
Speaker 3: Makes zero percent chance for me. And I also highly
doubt Grub.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a strong chance still that he
knocks me out in one punch.
Speaker 4: Let's be clear. Sure, but I think if I had
time to train, I would have a chance. I feel drunk.
Speaker 3: Twenty two year old Mary Kish could beat a four
year old Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Four, absolutely, Yeah, I'd kill him.
Speaker 4: I'd put my money on you. Yeah, what ages I
become picks him up and punts him? Yeah? Yeah, kurrent age? Mary?
Speaker 3: How young or how old would Mike Tyson have to
be for you to beat him?
Speaker 2: I mean I would say tween tween Tyson. I could
take him out at twelve?
Speaker 4: You think you could?
Speaker 1: I don't know as a teenager's twelve?
Speaker 2: Twelve?
Speaker 4: Okay, still I don't know twelve.
Speaker 2: He hasn't developed yet cognitively, not cogetatively.
Speaker 4: I don't know what ever happened.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's developed his muscles at twelve.
Speaker 3: No, but he was probably training to box, I think.
Let me, I want to see when he started training.
Speaker 2: What about old year old Tyson? Well, let's figure out
the first one. He looks pretty strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be I don't think there's any
chance you take out a twelve year old Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: No, I really don't think.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, he looks so I don't chance
I could take out twelve years His first fight was
with a bigger you who pulled the head off of
one of Tyson's pigeons.
Speaker 4: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: By okay, by the age of thirteen, So at the
age of twelve or younger, he had been a rested
thirty eight times.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, I gotta go. I gotta go younger,
all right, hold on, hold on, Yeah I was young,
let's go. Let's go with five. I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, so five on the young end, I'll take that
as well, and then on the old end, what do
you now?
Speaker 4: He's fifty eight?
Speaker 2: Now fifty eight, I would say seventy.
Speaker 4: I would feel confident. At seventy, I'll say ninety and dead.
Speaker 2: Would do I get like a board with a nail
in it.
Speaker 4: Just missing?
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I think seventy. My hope is
that his heart would give out.
Speaker 4: Oh god, this year training videos, he looks pretty good. Yeah,
he threw like two punches and got tired. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm going five and dead and five a dead five
year old? Yeah, you could beat up a dead five
year old.
Speaker 4: You're saying five dead Okay.
Speaker 2: Living five Dead Old.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite justin Timberlake album.
Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, finally here we got When was
the last time any of you watched Team America World Police?
That movie kind of holds up in some weird ways,
and super doesn't, and others like mcgroober that's joke from
New York. Now, I do take serious umbrage with the mcgroovers.
I do too, because mcgruber's knows what it's doing.
Speaker 1: Every joke, every joke, it knows what it's doing, and
it's deliberately delivering them in the way it does because
it like, that's the joke. Uh, World Police was like,
wouldn't be funny if it was the Film Actors Guild
instead of the Screen Actors Guild.
Speaker 4: And then we use that word a bunch of times.
It's like I forgot that bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's a bunch of the accents and stuff
that probably like a lot of the accents that can.
Speaker 2: Be heavily like relies on racist tropes, but in.
Speaker 3: A way that like I think South Park typically tried
to do by being like, oh, we're being so over
the top with it that it's like we're making fun
of the racism. But I think even that now is
just kind of like seeing this lazy And I don't think.
Speaker 2: They were making fun of the racism. I think they
were relishing in the racism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the song is.
Speaker 2: Not like, oh, we're being tongue in cheek about this.
You're just making a joke about how people are, you know,
how people can communicate and say there're r's and l's.
Like that's not that. Yeah, it's the whole fucking song. Yeah,
it does not hold up.
Speaker 4: There's no way.
Speaker 2: There's no way that movie holds up. But as far
as to say, I I don't know. I mean, I
think like they go so far with it, the thing
like that makes I also disagree with this, Like I
think mcgruber does hold up because there's an element to
how you can use cursing that accentuates a sentence and
makes it funny. I'll give you an example, like in mcgroober,
they ask like about the team, and he's like, it's
a bunch of fucking good guys, and like the way
he adds fucking adds to that sentence. It adds to
the comedic value. It also tells you about something about
who he is as a character. Whereas in uh, Team America,
they use fucking almost every sentence all the time, and
I think it just exhausts itself to the where it
has it has lost on me, right right.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's it's funny if these puppets are swearing. Sure,
this is like based on the Kids Show. And then
they just kind of went that that that was the
whole movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you believe these puppet these puppets, These puppets
are saying fuck every sentence, Whereas mcgruber is a real
piece of ship and so he's around regular people and
he just can't help himself.
Speaker 4: He's aggressive, asshole and.
Speaker 2: Yes, there are a bunch of fucking really great guys.
Speaker 3: The second the second part of that line is it's
after the funerals and he's looking out the window of
the sunglasses and he's like, there were fucking great guys
and this is a fucking asshole a day.
Speaker 2: There's something about it that I think does work that
I just don't think Team America had. And I think
in retrospect because I used to be a real big
advocate of that group and South Park, and I still
look at some of the old episodes with nostalgia because
it was powerful to me, and we used to not
miss an episode of South Park when it came on,
like you had to see it when it was like
launching on Comedy Central. And I look back on a
lot of it and it's just like, it just doesn't
It's not as smart as I thought it was. It's
not as thoughtful. But these joke films like hot Shots,
hot Shots Part do this film, they do hold up
because there are moments in time that are very thoughtful.
I think they're actually very smart in the way they're
written to play with these characters and these tropes. They're
not just edgy catchphrases to shock you.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, and the one thing that I'll even
like other mcgrooover fans sometimes a point is like the
one joke that doesn't hold up is the one where
he's putting the team.
Speaker 4: Together and he's like, okay, I got anyp I got
a mark.
Speaker 3: It's all the wrestlers, and he gets the Big Show
and he's like, oh, the Big Show, Hell yeah, and
then Big Show makes out with the guy and then
mcgroober freaks out and crosses his name out. I will
say the joke there is that mcgrooper fucking sucks and
of course he's homophobic, like you know, yes he is.
Speaker 1: He is the one asshole in a world of like
regular people that are just doing their thing and just
like are actually competent and doing their jobs. And so
him being the worst in every situation, including like morally,
is the joke and rules it's funny. Yeah, it's not haha,
Big Show's gay. The joke is like, oh, of course
he's a homophobe too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, of course he'd be afraid to work with
a gay man. Yes, yes, exactly. So now i've i've
hauled up.
Speaker 3: I mean mcgroover is twenty ten, it's fifteen years old almost,
and we just watch half of it a week ago, Mary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or we did watch half of it before.
Speaker 4: Can Jake fell asleep because it was four in the
morning or something.
Speaker 2: Aggressively picked Mike's nose.
Speaker 4: That was decker, That was decker. Yeah, Jake went nuts.
Speaker 2: Your finger was in there and he rubbed it in
his mouth.
Speaker 3: So grubbed myself. I thought he would do. He was
playing a little game of chicken with me. I thought
he was because like he was asleep and I was like,
who's gonna put my binger in your.
Speaker 1: Nose the way most people like chicken asleep and without consent.
Speaker 4: Go on, Yeah, I got to put I'm gonna put
in his nose.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't moving, and I like just barely, like
kind of touched here. And he's like, Oh, he's fucking
with me.
Speaker 1: He's gonna see if I if I got the guts
to keep going.
Speaker 3: And I just kept moving, and I instantly was like,
I don't want to keep going. I hope he gives
up on this. I don't want to keep putting. And
I got my finger pretty far up his nose and
he didn't sell it at all.
Speaker 4: Oh, because he was actually asleep. I think he was working.
Speaker 2: Sleep and then you take it out, laugh, put it
in his mouth, and then you do it again.
Speaker 3: So what's the defense For the second time? I thought
he was playing double Chicken.
Speaker 1: Double Chicken car, double Chickens, the classic double Chicken.
Speaker 2: Classic, double Sleepy Chicken.
Speaker 4: That's a trademark. Yeah, of course he loves that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Joe, you're wrong.
Speaker 4: But I do think that.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Team America in years. Actually don't have
a desire to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I meanbe I saw a YouTube
video that was like talking about it, and so I
started watching again and I'm like, Okay, Nope, this really
really really doesn't hold up.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Last I probably saw it was in like two thousand
and six with Kayla. I remember like, oh, she should
see this.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Joe, there are parts of it
that do hold up.
Speaker 1: I think the first parts of the first half of
the movie is like pretty good, and then it just
like all the jokes run their course and everything just
gets run on the ground, and then they do the
thing they always do where it's just like, now, let's
tell you why we really need America to protect us
from these savages.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe at its best when it's like mocking that post
nine to eleven ultra nationalism stuff, where's the freedom Isn't Free?
Speaker 4: Song and all that exactly, that stuff does hold up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the America fuck yeah. I think some of
those songs probably still have some value in the sense of,
like you're making fun of america imperialism and our war system.
There's there's jokes to be had about how right.
Speaker 1: Team America shows up to like save the day from
the terrorists, and in doing so, they're destroying the countries
that they're in and stuff like that, and they don't
even notice it, and they're like just fuck yeah, It's
like all that stuff does work, and then it just
keeps going.
Speaker 3: I just remember the joke though, that holds up pretty
well where the guy wants to sleep with the lady
puppet and she's like, no, I can't, you know, you'll
you'll die, just like you know, my or whatever, and
he's like, I can only sleep with you if you
can promise me you'll never die, and he just straight
face turns there's like, I promise I will never die.
Speaker 2: Now, there's a really interesting metaphor in that film, Oh
about dick's fucking pussies.
Speaker 4: Oh god, that's the whole speech, isn't it.
Speaker 1: America long You need a dick because an asshole can't
fuck a pussy?
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say, oh my god?
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, you are really really impressed by your metaphor here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a college essay about dick's fucking
pussies because assholes can't fuck pussies.
Speaker 4: I don't know if newspaper here.
Speaker 2: In this essay, I will explain I'm looking at your
camera right now.
Speaker 4: Did you steal that book from my house or did
you buy that?
Speaker 1: I bought it while sitting in that chair at your
You don't care, yep, I remember you look at it.
Speaker 4: Take that from me? Yep.
Speaker 1: I literally was just like, I'm gonna stand up, but
I really want to keep reading this book, but I'm
just gonna buy it right now and then downstairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, books and sixty four companion.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: It's a fun one day. That make them joined quite
a bit. Yeah, a lot of good a lot of
good stories in there.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, grub, thank you so much for short
notice joining us here, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem. Love love to be on the show. Yeah, oh,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing some Uh we got the BombCast tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Tune in for that game this morning.
Speaker 3: Six days in the past or seven days.
Speaker 1: I have nothing going on that I get. I'm gonna
be deeply unemployed, so yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: We have to do our countdown to the Game Awards first,
So that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people that we could talk about that now, countdown
to the Game Awards, which apparently I'm involved in somehow.
So yeah, Greb, we should have a meeting or six
hundred about that, you know what, I say, six hundred
and one just to be sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a month. Yes, it's been NonStop, but
yeah it seems like a big deal. We're ready to help.
We'll do on part for God in Country. Yeah, absolutely.
All right, Mary, what do you got?
Speaker 2: I am still streaming every Monday and right now I'm
trying to get through Silent Hill too, and I'm having
a great time. So if you like spoopy scary games,
this is the time to get on the Silent Hill
to train. It's a blast. I'm I'm really having a
lot of fun with it.
Speaker 4: So every month glad to hear that. Yeah, what about it.
Speaker 3: I'm doing same stuff as Grob with the giant bomb
stuff and then Instagram and I'm on Blue Sky now.
I'm a Dan Record dot Com on Blue Sky, so
you can find me there. I'm actually kind of liking it,
so maybe I'll be over there a little more than
I was on Twitter for the last few years. But
that's all I got for now, and that is it
for this episode of The Fire's Good Cast.
Speaker 1: Real quick, I did see you got Dan Record dot
Com on there, and so that inspired me to go
get grub dot.
Speaker 4: WTF on blue Sky, so the registered domain.
Speaker 1: While while waiting for my kids to get done sho
opping a Disney World, I was like, I'll just get
this right now and go for it.
Speaker 4: So coming to DNS settings and yeah, exactly, and it
didn't work. For a minute.
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, I can't figure this whatever, And then
eventually the next day I think it just clicked in
place and worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, grub dot w t F on Blue Sky. Oh
hell yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, we're out of here. Thanks so much, Mary and Jeff.
Goodbye everyone.
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