Speaker 1: This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast which Lowry
Speaker 1: is the editor of The National Review. Does a great job.
Speaker 1: He's on Box News quite a bit more than me lately. Rich,
Speaker 1: Good morning, buddy.
Speaker 2: How are you good, Sydney.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if you and I approached this yet,
Speaker 1: or whether you've even written about it yourself, but there
Speaker 1: is more and more support for the mayor not to
Speaker 1: be anywhere near ground zero on nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: That support, just seeing you know, Rich.
Speaker 1: Is coming from the victims' families, which I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought doctor that day was all about the politicians,
Speaker 1: city council people and others believe for some reason that
Speaker 1: he's got a right to be there.
Speaker 3: No he doesn't. No, No, he won. He's the mayor.
Speaker 1: He's got to do the budget, he's got to win
Speaker 1: the police department. There's a lot of stuff he needs
Speaker 1: to do as the mayor. Showing up at ground zero
Speaker 1: nine to eleven is not part of his quote job description.
Speaker 1: Whody Giuliani needs to be there, not Mom Danni. He
Speaker 1: was in Uganda, he was nine. So Julie Menin comes
Speaker 1: out and says he should be there, and I just
Speaker 1: ripped Julie menin a new Anus the first hour. But
Speaker 1: something tells me, rich you agree with the politicians or
Speaker 1: am I wrong?
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 1: He is?
Speaker 2: What he's thinking of me? He said, what guy do
Speaker 2: you think I am? Well?
Speaker 1: No, because no, no, I think you're a wonderful guy.
Speaker 1: You know that one of my best friends in the business.
Speaker 1: But you tend to line up with some of the
Speaker 1: you know, traditional thoughts and that type of thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what part of his job description says
Speaker 1: he needs to be at ground zero.
Speaker 3: Maybe you can tell me you're.
Speaker 2: You're really let me down here. So, because we have
Speaker 2: talked about this before and I agree with you, I
Speaker 2: don't think he should go. I think he just say
Speaker 2: the families don't want me there. I don't want to
Speaker 2: cause any distress or angst for the families on this
Speaker 2: day that's so painful for them. So I think they're
Speaker 2: about me. You know, I hate terrorism. But I'll just
Speaker 2: go see a matinee that that there.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, right, go see go see Torah Torah
Speaker 1: Torah a great.
Speaker 3: Well. Elick told me that you said that you wanted
Speaker 3: them to be there. So whoa, whoa, whoa el Ellick.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, that's disappointing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't disparage my relationship pured rich My god. So,
Speaker 3: now there's a new shikty here in the city. You
Speaker 3: like this, rich?
Speaker 1: So September tenth, the day before the UH. That day
Speaker 1: they put together this huge event for the firefighters families.
Speaker 1: You know, three hundred and forty three firefighters died that
Speaker 1: day at our stadium, John Katchumatiti Staten Island Berry Honk
Speaker 1: Beautiful stadium there on the water and the fire Commissioner's office,
Speaker 1: which is run by the mayor. Of course, they contact
Speaker 1: the families. They've cut down the hours from a four
Speaker 1: hour day to a two hour day, get ready for this,
Speaker 1: and they want the families to pre record their speeches
Speaker 1: to make sure they don't run long so the mayer
Speaker 1: can speak.
Speaker 3: Do you believe this?
Speaker 2: I do believe it. That's totally graceless, but totally what
Speaker 2: you'd expect.
Speaker 1: Right, come on, though, really, I mean nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that and ruin that even the tenth
Speaker 1: for the firefighters.
Speaker 3: I mean, he has no haunt, this guy, none.
Speaker 2: Right, you're trying to get me to disgrace you something
Speaker 2: on something said, but you're not doing it.
Speaker 3: No good, I'm glad, I'm with you. Oh good, I
Speaker 3: love that. Good Now, I've always loved you. You know, you
Speaker 3: and I are very very close.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know because I've got very close friends
Speaker 1: people I really really love that. Not Juli men and
Speaker 1: but others that have gone the other way on this,
Speaker 1: and I just don't understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 3: They can't explain it to me to get a.
Speaker 2: Sense of how these people feel. Right, there was that event.
Speaker 3: Where was it?
Speaker 2: It was on a boardwalk, right, there's some police stay
Speaker 2: at the boardwalk and mom, Donnie, it was about two
Speaker 2: weeks ago. You see this, You know he got up
Speaker 2: and people were doing They just didn't They didn't want
Speaker 2: to hear from him, and they shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was on Staten Island. My friend Scott
Speaker 1: Libatos up with a heart attack that day. He had
Speaker 1: a literally, yeah, you got to.
Speaker 3: Run off the stage. He spoke for about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3: So why would you want to do that again?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly exactly? What is? What is everyone?
Speaker 3: What is the thought? Rache explained this to me, because
Speaker 3: you're much smarter than I am.
Speaker 1: I admit that what is a thought that because he
Speaker 1: won as mayor, that he's supposed to be or deserves
Speaker 1: to be or should be at every event.
Speaker 3: What is that thought?
Speaker 2: Well, mayors are usually at these events, right, so that's
Speaker 2: what they'll they'll argue, that's what your friend. I haven't
Speaker 2: seeing what she said, but I assume that's what your
Speaker 2: friend men and says. Right, the mayors go to this.
Speaker 2: He's mayor, so get over and he should go to this.
Speaker 3: Get over it.
Speaker 1: That's what Curtis Sliva said. Curtis Sliva, this loser man.
Speaker 1: He say he was a great guy. Now he's a
Speaker 1: complete loser. And I mean that in every respect. Seven
Speaker 1: percent in the election. I'd beating them so badly in
Speaker 1: the ratings. They took an hour away from him, my
Speaker 1: sweat guy. They put Mark Simon on at nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: I'm when he beat his ass too, and I like Mark.
Speaker 1: But this guy said that the families need to stop
Speaker 1: being sore losers.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I mean you should never talk about that
Speaker 2: about these families. Obviously unbelieved it defer to the families.
Speaker 2: They're the ones who've loved ones left and didn't come back.
Speaker 2: That day and for whom this day is so painful
Speaker 2: and meaningful. Just if they don't want you there, just
Speaker 2: just be graceful.
Speaker 3: Don't go That day he was nine years old. He
Speaker 3: was in Uganda. He didn't see the buildings fall. He
Speaker 3: didn't see young beautiful girls.
Speaker 1: Not did it matters but the gender of the ages,
Speaker 1: but people in general jumping out of those buildings because
Speaker 1: they would rather die that way than be burned to
Speaker 1: death by jet fuel. He didn't go to funerals like
Speaker 1: Woody Giuliani did a thousand of them.
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: And he sits with people who say we deserved it.
Speaker 1: They took it back, but it's way too long for that.
Speaker 1: I think you'd agree with that. And even way past
Speaker 1: U sound piker. He just he just endorsed Chevalier, who
Speaker 1: wipes her dirty hands with the American flag.
Speaker 3: M I mean, what not? And you know, don't.
Speaker 2: Forget well don't like America.
Speaker 3: No, they don't.
Speaker 1: And when he came after me and started to cry,
Speaker 1: and that press conference and remember all that, and caught
Speaker 1: me in Islamophobe, he made up a whole story about
Speaker 1: how his auntie couldn't take the subway anymore.
Speaker 3: You remember all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it turned out his aunt was in Tanzania
Speaker 1: and his cousin didn't even exist. He actually used nine
Speaker 1: to eleven lied about it to do a story on
Speaker 1: islamophob Yet and Julie Mennan thinks he should be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, erasist story.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean there were some Sikhs who are uncomfortable
Speaker 2: right because they had big turbans. The cab drivers would
Speaker 2: have little signes I'm sekh. But there was a shockingly little,
Speaker 2: amazingly little, thankfully little anim is directed to the average
Speaker 2: Muslims after that horrific attack. Ye, none, they make it
Speaker 2: the story and smear reversal truth was totally typical of
Speaker 2: this guy and the world view he represents him.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of cab jobs that got punch
Speaker 1: across the face, like two or three.
Speaker 3: That's about it, Okay, ever happened? Yeah, stupid? All right.
Speaker 1: Let me get to uh Iran because I can't believe
Speaker 1: it's going into its seventh month and I don't know
Speaker 1: who to believe, but the channels, the big networks won't
Speaker 1: claim last night that his approval rating is down to thirty.
Speaker 3: Three percent, which is really bad. He had people there yesterday.
Speaker 1: He's showing them the Hellaport, He's showing them the new
Speaker 1: Grand ballroom and what he didn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: Iran all that much.
Speaker 3: You know my feelings.
Speaker 1: Loved Midnight Hammer, loved operation of Big Fury, but hate
Speaker 1: to disagree with Kat mcfallan. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell we've done the last couple of months. I know
Speaker 1: we're strangling them economically and Scott bestsint and I'm tired
Speaker 1: of that too. What's going on with this?
Speaker 2: I mean it could easily stretch into next year, right
Speaker 2: what was supposed to be is four to six week campaign.
Speaker 1: Well, let me stop you then if you're right about that, okay,
Speaker 1: you're going to tell me, and I respect you and
Speaker 1: trust you, if this does go that long, you're going
Speaker 1: to tell me that's not going to hurt us, if
Speaker 1: not kill us.
Speaker 2: Come November, it's definitely going to hurt and may kill.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's killed. I think the definition
Speaker 2: of kill. I don't know what your definition of kill is.
Speaker 2: Definition of kill is losing the Senate, and I think
Speaker 2: that's possible. I still don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3: But you're saying that because you think that losing the
Speaker 3: House is a vata.
Speaker 2: Company pretty much. Yeah, there was something I read the
Speaker 2: other day coming say, yeah, maybe it's like an eighty
Speaker 2: percent chance, so maybe I'll go there. Maybe there are
Speaker 2: twenty percent chance Republicans hold the House, but they're very
Speaker 2: likely to lose the House. And a lot of these
Speaker 2: Senate races in these red states from Texas to Alaska
Speaker 2: to Ohio to Iola, really close and I'm assuming Democrats,
Speaker 2: you know, won't sweep them all, but sometimes that's what happens,
Speaker 2: that every race tilts the same way right at the end.
Speaker 2: And if that happens, they're going to lose the Senate,
Speaker 2: and that would be a true debacle. And I don't
Speaker 2: know whether his approval rating is really a thirty three percent,
Speaker 2: you know, i'd want to talk to John McLaughlin, who
Speaker 2: may well be listening before I would say that. But
Speaker 2: there's no doubt this is exercised downward pressure on his
Speaker 2: approval rating, and that's the most important factor in a
Speaker 2: midterm election generally. So you got him under forty, that's
Speaker 2: that's a big problem. So this clearly, if he had
Speaker 2: it to do over again, that doesn't want That's not
Speaker 2: what happens in reality. But if he could, he wouldn't
Speaker 2: do it right, And that's kind of the olpimate.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Trump. He's he's not the type
Speaker 1: of guy to not do it. He probably would do.
Speaker 3: It, I know what you're saying, looking at the results.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't. He wouldn't do it before the midterms at least. Okay,
Speaker 2: if if you were to do it again, what do
Speaker 2: you do it before the midterms? I think he had
Speaker 2: no idea that this was where he'd be. And despite
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, he's projecting confidence the way
Speaker 2: he always does, there's no way he's not. Are you
Speaker 2: distressed about this?