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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast which Lowry

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<v Speaker 1>is the editor of The National Review. Does a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>He's on Box News quite a bit more than me lately. Rich,

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you good, Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if you and I approached this yet,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether you've even written about it yourself, but there

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<v Speaker 1>is more and more support for the mayor not to

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<v Speaker 1>be anywhere near ground zero on nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>That support, just seeing you know, Rich.

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<v Speaker 1>Is coming from the victims' families, which I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought doctor that day was all about the politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>city council people and others believe for some reason that

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a right to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>No he doesn't. No, No, he won. He's the mayor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to do the budget, he's got to win

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<v Speaker 1>the police department. There's a lot of stuff he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do as the mayor. Showing up at ground zero

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven is not part of his quote job description.

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<v Speaker 1>Whody Giuliani needs to be there, not Mom Danni. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in Uganda, he was nine. So Julie Menin comes

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<v Speaker 1>out and says he should be there, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>ripped Julie menin a new Anus the first hour. But

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<v Speaker 1>something tells me, rich you agree with the politicians or

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<v Speaker 1>am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say?

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<v Speaker 1>He is?

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<v Speaker 2>What he's thinking of me? He said, what guy do

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<v Speaker 2>you think I am? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>No, because no, no, I think you're a wonderful guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that one of my best friends in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>But you tend to line up with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, traditional thoughts and that type of thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what part of his job description says

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to be at ground zero.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you can tell me you're.

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<v Speaker 2>You're really let me down here. So, because we have

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this before and I agree with you, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he should go. I think he just say

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<v Speaker 2>the families don't want me there. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>cause any distress or angst for the families on this

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<v Speaker 2>day that's so painful for them. So I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>about me. You know, I hate terrorism. But I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go see a matinee that that there.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever it is, right, go see go see Torah Torah

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<v Speaker 1>Torah a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Elick told me that you said that you wanted

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<v Speaker 3>them to be there. So whoa, whoa, whoa el Ellick.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa, that's disappointing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't don't disparage my relationship pured rich My god. So,

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<v Speaker 3>now there's a new shikty here in the city. You

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<v Speaker 3>like this, rich?

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<v Speaker 1>So September tenth, the day before the UH. That day

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<v Speaker 1>they put together this huge event for the firefighters families.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, three hundred and forty three firefighters died that

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<v Speaker 1>day at our stadium, John Katchumatiti Staten Island Berry Honk

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful stadium there on the water and the fire Commissioner's office,

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<v Speaker 1>which is run by the mayor. Of course, they contact

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<v Speaker 1>the families. They've cut down the hours from a four

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<v Speaker 1>hour day to a two hour day, get ready for this,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want the families to pre record their speeches

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they don't run long so the mayer

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<v Speaker 3>Do you believe this?

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe it. That's totally graceless, but totally what

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<v Speaker 2>you'd expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, come on, though, really, I mean nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do that and ruin that even the tenth

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<v Speaker 1>for the firefighters.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he has no haunt, this guy, none.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you're trying to get me to disgrace you something

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<v Speaker 2>on something said, but you're not doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>No good, I'm glad, I'm with you. Oh good, I

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<v Speaker 3>love that. Good Now, I've always loved you. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>and I are very very close.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't know because I've got very close friends

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<v Speaker 1>people I really really love that. Not Juli men and

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<v Speaker 1>but others that have gone the other way on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just don't understand where they're coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't explain it to me to get a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense of how these people feel. Right, there was that event.

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<v Speaker 3>Where was it?

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<v Speaker 2>It was on a boardwalk, right, there's some police stay

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<v Speaker 2>at the boardwalk and mom, Donnie, it was about two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. You see this, You know he got up

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<v Speaker 2>and people were doing They just didn't They didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from him, and they shouldn't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that was on Staten Island. My friend Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Libatos up with a heart attack that day. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a literally, yeah, you got to.

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<v Speaker 3>Run off the stage. He spoke for about fifteen seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>So why would you want to do that again?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly exactly? What is? What is everyone?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the thought? Rache explained this to me, because

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<v Speaker 3>you're much smarter than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I admit that what is a thought that because he

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<v Speaker 1>won as mayor, that he's supposed to be or deserves

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<v Speaker 1>to be or should be at every event.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that thought?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, mayors are usually at these events, right, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they'll they'll argue, that's what your friend. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seeing what she said, but I assume that's what your

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<v Speaker 2>friend men and says. Right, the mayors go to this.

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<v Speaker 2>He's mayor, so get over and he should go to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Curtis Sliva said. Curtis Sliva, this loser man.

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<v Speaker 1>He say he was a great guy. Now he's a

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<v Speaker 1>complete loser. And I mean that in every respect. Seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent in the election. I'd beating them so badly in

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<v Speaker 1>the ratings. They took an hour away from him, my

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<v Speaker 1>sweat guy. They put Mark Simon on at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm when he beat his ass too, and I like Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>But this guy said that the families need to stop

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<v Speaker 1>being sore losers.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, I mean you should never talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>about these families. Obviously unbelieved it defer to the families.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the ones who've loved ones left and didn't come back.

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<v Speaker 2>That day and for whom this day is so painful

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<v Speaker 2>and meaningful. Just if they don't want you there, just

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<v Speaker 2>just be graceful.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't go That day he was nine years old. He

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<v Speaker 3>was in Uganda. He didn't see the buildings fall. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't see young beautiful girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Not did it matters but the gender of the ages,

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<v Speaker 1>but people in general jumping out of those buildings because

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<v Speaker 1>they would rather die that way than be burned to

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<v Speaker 1>death by jet fuel. He didn't go to funerals like

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<v Speaker 1>Woody Giuliani did a thousand of them.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And he sits with people who say we deserved it.

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<v Speaker 1>They took it back, but it's way too long for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'd agree with that. And even way past

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<v Speaker 1>U sound piker. He just he just endorsed Chevalier, who

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<v Speaker 1>wipes her dirty hands with the American flag.

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<v Speaker 3>M I mean, what not? And you know, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget well don't like America.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he came after me and started to cry,

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<v Speaker 1>and that press conference and remember all that, and caught

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<v Speaker 1>me in Islamophobe, he made up a whole story about

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<v Speaker 3>You remember all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it turned out his aunt was in Tanzania

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<v Speaker 1>and his cousin didn't even exist. He actually used nine

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<v Speaker 1>islamophob Yet and Julie Mennan thinks he should be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, erasist story.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I mean there were some Sikhs who are uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>have little signes I'm sekh. But there was a shockingly little,

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<v Speaker 2>amazingly little, thankfully little anim is directed to the average

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<v Speaker 2>Muslims after that horrific attack. Ye, none, they make it

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<v Speaker 2>the story and smear reversal truth was totally typical of

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<v Speaker 2>this guy and the world view he represents him.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of cab jobs that got punch

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<v Speaker 3>That's about it, Okay, ever happened? Yeah, stupid? All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me get to uh Iran because I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's going into its seventh month and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who to believe, but the channels, the big networks won't

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<v Speaker 1>claim last night that his approval rating is down to thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Three percent, which is really bad. He had people there yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>He's showing them the Hellaport, He's showing them the new

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<v Speaker 1>Grand ballroom and what he didn't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Iran all that much.

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<v Speaker 3>You know my feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>Loved Midnight Hammer, loved operation of Big Fury, but hate

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<v Speaker 1>to disagree with Kat mcfallan. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell we've done the last couple of months. I know

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<v Speaker 1>we're strangling them economically and Scott bestsint and I'm tired

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<v Speaker 1>of that too. What's going on with this?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it could easily stretch into next year, right

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<v Speaker 2>what was supposed to be is four to six week campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me stop you then if you're right about that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to tell me, and I respect you and

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<v Speaker 1>trust you, if this does go that long, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me that's not going to hurt us, if

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<v Speaker 1>not kill us.

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<v Speaker 2>Come November, it's definitely going to hurt and may kill.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether it's killed. I think the definition

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<v Speaker 2>of kill. I don't know what your definition of kill is.

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<v Speaker 2>Definition of kill is losing the Senate, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's possible. I still don't think it's likely.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're saying that because you think that losing the

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<v Speaker 3>House is a vata.

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<v Speaker 2>Company pretty much. Yeah, there was something I read the

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<v Speaker 2>other day coming say, yeah, maybe it's like an eighty

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<v Speaker 2>percent chance, so maybe I'll go there. Maybe there are

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent chance Republicans hold the House, but they're very

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<v Speaker 2>likely to lose the House. And a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>Senate races in these red states from Texas to Alaska

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<v Speaker 2>to Ohio to Iola, really close and I'm assuming Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, won't sweep them all, but sometimes that's what happens,

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<v Speaker 2>that every race tilts the same way right at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>And if that happens, they're going to lose the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would be a true debacle. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know whether his approval rating is really a thirty three percent,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, i'd want to talk to John McLaughlin, who

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<v Speaker 2>may well be listening before I would say that. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt this is exercised downward pressure on his

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<v Speaker 2>approval rating, and that's the most important factor in a

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<v Speaker 2>midterm election generally. So you got him under forty, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big problem. So this clearly, if he had

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<v Speaker 2>it to do over again, that doesn't want That's not

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<v Speaker 2>what happens in reality. But if he could, he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it right, And that's kind of the olpimate.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about Trump. He's he's not the type

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<v Speaker 1>of guy to not do it. He probably would do.

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<v Speaker 3>It, I know what you're saying, looking at the results.

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<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't. He wouldn't do it before the midterms at least. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if if you were to do it again, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you do it before the midterms? I think he had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that this was where he'd be. And despite

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, he's projecting confidence the way

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<v Speaker 2>he always does, there's no way he's not. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>distressed about this?