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Speaker 1: What is a pelasiko as I'm Dan Valley coming at

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you with a quick addendum before we get to this

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podcast for MORET and I deliver the biggest question for

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we have for all the teams in the Northwest Division.

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We recorded this before nas Reed agreed to his five year,

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one hundred and twenty five million dollars deal with the

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Minnesota Timberwolves. They'll be declining his player option as part

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of that. Obviously, it doesn't really change anything we talk about.

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We did get into will they keep him? Randall and Gnaw,

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I think this probably means that Nikki Alexander Walker is

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most likely gone. It could also mean that the Timberwolves

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do seem more willing to go into the second Apron,

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depending on how much it costs to retain Julius Randall,

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who has that player option. But again, it doesn't change

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the tenor of our discussion at all. So I wanted

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to update you on that and just very quickly, if

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to our biggest question for each team in the Northwest Division?

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What is up? Fellowsikos, I am Dan Favali coming at

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you with the one, the only, the certified fantabulous himself,

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mister mort Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame, of OnlyFans celebrity,

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most importantly, of Yahoo Sports fame, and of Forbes fame

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as well. We are here to penultimate are We've gone

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through every single team with our biggest question for each squad.

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We each trade off questions. We have four divisions in

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the books. We're going on to the Northwest Division. So

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we're gonna talk Nuggets, Timberwolves, Blazers, Jazz and Thunder. Maybe

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some ASSAYU Jerry talk at the end if anyone wants

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to stick around. Rumor has it he's not with the

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Raptors anymore. Go figure before we kind of belly flop

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in more, how the heck are.

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Speaker 2: You doing well?

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Speaker 3: Uh? The draft is done, so that means that my

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five am times are are dead and buried until the

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start of next season, which I greatly appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's always exciting. It is as a reminder

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throughout this process. So like more does a pretty good

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job of like hitting the macro stuff, and then some

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of mine after I see his questions, I try and

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zero win on some just micro questions like more long

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lines of extensions or specific players or specific team needs.

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So we try to hit everything without further delay. Though,

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let us begin we go in alphabetical order. That means,

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what up Denver mort what's your question for these folks?

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Speaker 3: So how do they make upgrades? Because I think we

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can talk. We can say with absolute certainty that they

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have a lot of players where their trade value is

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at best mediocre. They have a lot of money on

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the cap, so they can't just go out and spend, spend, spend.

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That's just not a viable option. And of course another

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thing that's not a viable option is trading Nikolaijokic because

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you don't want to do that. So the question here

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is how do they make upgrades? And I'm not I

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probably should have worded that better into like substantial upgrades.

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I'm not talking about like, hey, we get Bruce brown

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back on some type of MLI deal. No, like another

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All Star player, Like, how do you get a legit

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secondary running mate to Nicola Jokic.

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Speaker 1: I don't with their flexibility, I don't know how you

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would go and say, let's get the second best player

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on this team. I think that becomes super complicated. I

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more so look at it. If you're as if you're

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gonna make changes, it's kind of in the realm of Okay,

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what can the mini mL get us this year? What

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I am sort of cure and you could make trades

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like that is despite what Josh Cronkey says, which that

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whole press conference was bizarre and I watched like the

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full snippet of where the quotes were coming out of

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because he, you know, unprompted, brings up Nicole like trading

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nicolea Jokic, which is he didn't need to do that.

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of the second apron. As it feels like owners Josh

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included created this patsy like they're using the second apron

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as cover for why things could go wrong, why they

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can't spend, why they can't make trades. This is what

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they wanted. They wanted excuses not to spend. More so,

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that they could blame it on the second Apron to

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the fans, and it's no, you push for this, And

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I'm not saying they need to dive into the second apron.

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just sort of like that whole press conference was cringey

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because I'm not here for owners complaining or lamenting the

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limitations of the second Apron when they are the ones

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who quite literally pushed for it.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, what type of.

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Speaker 1: Upgrade are you looking for them to make? So like

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what if you had if you have your your running

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the nuggets and we're trying to keep it somewhat plausible,

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you like, like what type of what archetype? Or are

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you like trying to get rid of Jamalm Ror? Like

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are you upgrading from Jamal Murray? What are you doing here?

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Speaker 2: I want to keep them all around.

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Speaker 3: I do, because I do think the pick and roll

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between him and Yokich is a viable weapon, especially in

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the playoffs, but I would like someone else who can

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also create their own shot. I think you need one

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more dynamic score. And that's also part of the Jamal

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twenty twenty five points every single night. Now he swings

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more than we thought he would in production, Like, he's

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not as consistent as he used to be. So I

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lock in as a permanent secondary church here scorer. However

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you want to frame it. Now, the guy I want

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I have a name here, and it will require Michael

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Porter Junior going out, and I think you won't be

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surprised the guy I want here is Seclavin.

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Speaker 1: Now I was actually surprised that wasn't Kobe White.

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Speaker 3: No, see, Kobe White would be a very fun player

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to talk about because it's easier to trade for him

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with the twelve point eight million dollar cap hit. I

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think it is that he has compared to Levine, who's

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at forty plus. But if we tried to look at

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it through the prison also of age and whatnot, Levine

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would just be such a he would be such a

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basketball sic co addition for the Nuggets, you know what

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I mean? Like this dude, works so hard. I think

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he's got a bad rep because people are so locked

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in on, oh, the bad defense, which frankly isn't that

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bad anymore. The whole Oh, he's like he didn't win

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in Chicago, No, no shit, he was over taxed in

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Chicago throughout his entire tenure there. That obviously doesn't work.

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we want to count the thirty five games of Lonso

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ball in two thousand and twenty one alongside Nikola jokicch

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who obviously is the number one option with a freaking bullet. Levine,

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who spent three years be one of the best off

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ball scores in the league, would just and if it's

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so so greatly from having this post presence, who can

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just pass in a variety of ways, both near the

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rim on the move from outside the line like Jokic

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can make every pass in the book. The great thing

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about it is Levin can catch them. He's a guy

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who can get into the transition. He can pop and

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have court situations. You know, he can finish plays above

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the rim. It's catching shoot like everything under the sun.

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few weaknesses, and alongside Jokic, I would not be surprised

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if you just leveled lavinab and not just well, so

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that's the guy who I really like. But I don't

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hate your Kobe White name whatsoever. It's a far more

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realistic and feasible option contractually speaking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because with Kobe White, you in theory don't have

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to give up Michael Porter Junior. It's you're using the

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nause and Sharage deals and then you're including all right,

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it's one of the young players going outers there. You

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could trade one first round pick this year in twenty

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thirty one or twenty thirty two. They also have their

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twenty thirty two second which I assume will be used

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to wipe Dario Sharich's salary off the books anyway, if

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past trends are any indication. But I just do you

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think that zach Lavine ends up being enough of a

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like so you're gonna get off Nausey end or Sharich

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in the process of that, But like, are you including

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a first round pick or a Peyton Watson to get

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Zach Levie? Do you view him as enough of an

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upgrade for what the Nuggets need over Michael Porter Junior,

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because I do think you're what you said, you're onto

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something in the sense that I did come away from

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that Oklahoma City series specifically or just their playoff run

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in general, thinking Okay, if Aaron Gordon is healthy, like

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this team can punch above its weight on defense, and

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I found myself not concerned, but okay, they could use

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more dynamic optionality on uh that's I think using the

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same word twice. Basically, they could use just a more

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dynamic option on offense. And that certainly levin when you

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look at the off the dribble stuff specifically, But what

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you do you think he's enough of, like of what

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they need of that upgrade from MPGA to where you're now,

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and like you're attaching things on top of him in

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part because one we don't know how other teams feel

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about the MPGA contract, but two you're probably you have

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to include money that you know other teams don't want

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to make the math work right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, first and fore most, you be

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training with the Kings, and the Kings are have proven

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to be an odd organization that occasionally takes packages in

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return that are under the perceived value of the player

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that going out, So I think you need to bake

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that in. But in terms of like what you need

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first t example like that. I think that would be egregious,

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Speaker 1: Even accept that? Though they might say no, there are.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple teams that apparently set notes that

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which is even which is even worse somehow much much.

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Speaker 1: Worse, Which is why you know the Bulls would turn

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down any Kobe White offer from the Nuggets that's built

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around like like Peyton Watson in a first let's say

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if that's the cost, and they.

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Speaker 3: Are right, because the Bulls actually prefer to just loose

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him into twenty twenty six free agency. Smart play, great Bulls,

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great job. No, but but I it's the compensation level

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is an interesting discussion because is Peyton Watson? Is it

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a protected first round pick? That might just be that

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that might be lottery protected for a year or maybe

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two years, and then.

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Speaker 1: That can only be at well, yeah, I guess so

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they could do twenty one and twenty thirty two a

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lot of protection before it just expires.

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Speaker 3: Right like or conveys or trade morse into like two

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seconds or whatever like you can you can sort of

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finagle that and you can hackle it out. I don't

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just get Levine in there. Obviously, like Michael Porter Junior

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would be the main piece going out in might it

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might have to be a three team trade as well,

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because with the Kings, look at Michael Porter Junior and go, oh, yeah,

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he's a great with with Keithan Murray, now we have

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they like that dynamic, So maybe you have to look elsewhere.

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asking me if he moves the needle enough. I do

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think he does. I think the league at large has

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been way too low on sac Lavine. I think fans

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at large has been way too low. I love him.

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I think he is severely underrated, especially as an offensive performer.

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I think people are like talking about how he's just

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a chucker, which, like his efficiency has been proving that

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wrong for like what five six seasons now, Like he's

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super efficient, and yet for some reason people have just

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kind of labeled him. You know, you're not important, You're

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just a chucker. I overwhelmingly disagree with that notion.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on your sentiment of zach Lavine. I

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guess I get concerned with you're giving up Porter and

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then let's say two non rotation players as part of

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the package if there's a pick on it, like so

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you're not necessarily hollowing out your rotation. At the same time,

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if they have enough to get Kobe White. I might

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even prefer, you know, like an Io de Souon Mu

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not getting you enough individual dynamism offensively, but like those

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and offense. Uh, there's also been I don't know how

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because he's cheaper. So you're just saving a bunch of money.

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more flexibility. But I'm not you know, you're giving up

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but that feels more of like a cost savings move

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without actually upgrading your roster, if that makes any.

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a shot creator as well. Is Cam Johnson a you know,

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quote unquote shot creator? Is he someone you can ask

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when you really need to go get us a bucket?

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his game. Like I just think that he for the Nuggets,

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at Brooklyn's rosters. They're like anybody else that tickles your fan.

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of them are first round picks at this point. So

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they're trading any of their higher priced guys is can

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you turn them into two guys who deepen and extend

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your rotation? Is probably what I'd be looking at. Again.

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attach enough to nausey and charge and then you bring

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who else would fall into that salary range, that gets interesting.

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because it feels like it makes them you're playing your

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last trade chips essentially, and then it makes them less

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Speaker 2: And I agree with that.

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also needed to get their three point in stems up

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as well. Like one thing is the offensive dynamics that

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also such a reluctant three point shot or a three

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point shooting team, that's where Levine just changes that, like

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he's got that quick trigger that I think would be

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extremely interesting. But again like Kobe White too. I don't

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hate that option. Is there's someone who isn't a former

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bole we could look.

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Speaker 1: At well, it's actually so this one's kind of out

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there and shout out to Danny Mountain saying if Vivic

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that would be hilarious. Oh, Phil Brown called Joe Dumars

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about Trey Murphy for MPJ. I mean, Pelicans might do

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anything at this point if you put a pick and

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maybe Peyton Watson on the table and like, I don't know,

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maybe the Pelicans better not do it.

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Speaker 3: Did you put a pick on the table? Like only

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if he's from the Pelicans signed? Apparently?

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Speaker 1: What about this is not it'd be a risk, but like,

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could there be some sort of construction where it's Michael

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Porter junior and maybe you don't even and then one

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of the you know, let's say Zeke Najy or Dario

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Sharz since he's expiring, can you be the team that

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has Jalen Green and then you're getting like a Royce

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O'Neill as well. Does that do anything for you? Or

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is Jalen Green too much of a risk? His deal

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is technically longer, but he's younger and probably higher upside

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still than Michael Porter Junior.

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Speaker 2: For sure, he is a risk.

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Speaker 3: That said, you know, he's playing next to Nicola Jokic,

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who makes virtually everyone better. But then I pause myself

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because I remember Green played significantly better when he did

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not play with Albert and Shangun. Would that be an

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issue going from shing Gun to Jokic? Is he a

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guy who just needs to clear everyone out and can't

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play with the Nicola yokicch could you, by the way,

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would that be like cause to just like immediately to

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retire if you get worse by playing with Niccolea Jokic,

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does that just automatically qualify you for retirement?

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, you're on the league.

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Speaker 1: I can't see like I just can't see anyone being

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maybe another big like you know, the Nurkic stuff. Like okay,

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maybe you wouldn't be able to play alongside Yokic. But

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if you can't play alongside Yokich, there's a lot more questions.

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if it was Brooks and Grace and Allen and then

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a similar structure like having Grace and Allen and Dylan

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brook Like, you've extended your rotation. I don't think you've

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gotten any more dynamic offensively, You're probably actually you're you're

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juici or defensively with Dylan Brooks on the roster. Yeah,

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and Dylan Brooks thinks that he's dynamic offensive and on it.

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Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks in Denver. Yet that's not great. And then

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Grayson Allen does literally nothing for me at all. It's

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tough right there. There doesn't seem to be like that

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one guy. Well, I know, I do think Seclovine is

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that guy. But you're absolutely right in pointing out the

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contractual element there. It stops it for being that guy

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because he it is. Is it even feasible to get

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him in without relinquishing too much?

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Speaker 1: Do you like? What about a lower end like a

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Jordan Clarkson or a Colin Sexton, where either of those do?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I would like Sexton more than Jordan Clarkson.

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Speaker 1: What about I don't know if he has enough juice

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left in the tank. But like a Chris Middleton from Washington.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's why you're seizing him like that. I

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can quit Chris Middleton. He can be in the four

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for twenty minutes a game. That's not nice. Be nice

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to Chris Middleton. He's a goody.

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Speaker 1: That's perfect for him. Then that's like, that's basically we

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want to get off of what.

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Speaker 2: They need depth as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're not consolidating. Doesn't Chris Middleton make less than

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MPJ this year? They're actually saving money. So yeah, well,

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well let's get into mind because we have a question.

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We don't have a question, but don't tell Santa Cruz.

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Jokic should turn down the extension and go to free agency.

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I actually think so he's eligible for an extension that's

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three years, two hundred and twelve point five million dollars.

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I do see people in the chat saying that Josh

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Kronky basically already alluded to that they're not making trades.

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We saw the Josh Cronky comments, We talked about them.

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I actually think what Nicole Yokic should do is not

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sign the extension. You can say that it's because, oh,

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if he just waits a year, he can sign a

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four year tension guarantee himself like eighty plus more million dollars.

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As he's going into his thirties, Okay, great. I look

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at it as the Nuggets shouldn't need this reality check,

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but they clearly do. Of his goodwill can't be assumed

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anymore like that, if I'm yo, kids, that's what You've

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been the lowest maintenance superstar in the league. Yeah, for

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basically a decade. At this point, Steph is probably the

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only one who comes close to rivaling you. There. You

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need to show a sign like, oh right, this doesn't

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need to be I want out. It's not a trade demand,

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but it's no. You keep making the roster better otherwise,

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like you will risk losing me, be it for a

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trade demand or down the line, or if they actually

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let him reach free agency. Because he's the type of

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guy like similar to Giannis, similar to what happened with

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KD and OKC or has happened to Lebron. They're good

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enough to where you even if you're not sure if

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they're gonna stay. If they don't ask for out, you

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almost have to keep them. You can be proactive and

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move them. But like he is so generational that unless

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he asks hero out, I don't know how you justify

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moving him. So I'm not signing the extension more if

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that money's always gonna be there, and if it doesn't

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put pressure on the organization to improve, then, as Nikola jokis,

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that's all the information that I need about my future

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in Denver. And so I don't think he should sign

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the extension. Given the way that players tend to just

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sign extensions. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if he signed it,

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and he's very drama free. However, I think that if

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you want this Nuggets regime to act, to do anything

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to continue optimizing your time there, it's not Look, the

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Nuggets are a good team. They took the Thunder to

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seven games. The Thunder aren't gonna get any easier to

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get past, though, so you need to continue getting better,

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and I think not signing the extension kind of sends

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the message. Yeah, he might still stay, but it's not guaranteed,

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and that's the first time they'd have to reckon with

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anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I have a big ask question for you, is this.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be about playing with Luga on the Lakers or something?

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Speaker 3: I knew it it is about Luca. Yeah, absolutely it is.

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And you know me too well. This this is gonna

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take guts. Would you be willing to trade Jamal and

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Michael Porter Jr. Exclusively for expiring contracts and potentially draft

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compensation if you can get it. So you're going too

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twenty twenty six with the chance of just sound signing

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him outright in free agency.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't sign an extension with the Lakers this summer.

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Speaker 3: I should clarify. I forgot something. I should clarify. These

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trades shouldn't be now. They would be deadline trades, so

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you're closer to knowing where his mindset is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you would have to just

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the uh, like just the prospect of it. But I

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don't know that's a really mega risk there, and like

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it don't see.

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Speaker 2: Like imagine it.

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Speaker 3: It's you probably have the best card in the league

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to actually go get him.

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Speaker 2: It's NICOLEA.

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Speaker 3: Yokic's best buddy in the league outside of the leagu

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Phini Smith.

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Speaker 1: I think at that point it's it's not a question

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of would you, it's just if you're doing that, it's

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because NIKOLEA. Jokic has told you that Luka Doncic is coming. Yeah,

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And also I don't know if they could even structure that,

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like is having Aaron Gordon and Jokic on the books.

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They're even gonna have the money to sign a Luka

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Doncic max contract.

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Speaker 2: Still, well, let's let's see, right, it would be no.

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Ninety million.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, if I had to guess, I'm not rooting for this.

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It feels like Nikola Jokic would be more likely to

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wind up on the Lakers than Luka Doncic is to

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end up on the Nuggets, like by a trade or

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a tree agency. He could do the same thing and leave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, but that's in two years, Okay, No, no, No,

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I'm just saying, like in the mediate like if.

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Speaker 1: You know Luka is coming otherwise, I don't know. How

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do you spin that to Jokic If you don't end

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up with Luca, like that just becomes a massacre of

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talent shedding.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine asking lou or sorry, Nicola to like tamper, Hey,

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could you give Luca a call? He's just gonna look

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at you like you're stupid. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So if you were Jokic, would you what

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do you think about that sentiment of not signing the

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extension because you know it'll always agree. Therefore you just

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to con I.

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Speaker 3: Think you're right, this team needs a wake up call.

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It absolutely does, and you're right, they shouldn't. It's the

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best player in basketball. That should be motivation enough for

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you to start sinking outside the box. It shouldn't just

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be you know the bottom line. Absolutely no. I mean,

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if I'm Nicola Jokic, I'm asking some pretty big questions.

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I'm I'm having the demons of Bonus sit down meeting

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with the team, going, Guys, what the fuck's the plan?

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I'm having that meeting. I'm having two of them, three

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of them.

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00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,839
Speaker 1: I will say he came as like close to and

470
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,240
he basically said that they need to get deeper in

471
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,839
his like exit press conference or maybe it was immediately

472
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,079
after the game seven lost to Okay. See for him

473
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,640
to even say that, just knowing like he doesn't make

474
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,359
those types of statements, I mean, that was a mic

475
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,920
drop and it still just didn't resonate. Like I know,

476
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,359
the Nuggets' tools are limited and we haven't actually gone

477
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,400
through the off season yet, but the messaging they're putting

478
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480
out there is just like, it's this. If you're a

479
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:31,880
Nuggets fan, it's pretty discouraging. Yes, we can move on,

480
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,119
I think to the Minnesota Timberwolves more. What's your question

481
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,720
for them.

482
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 3: Right, So, what is the backup plan in case everything

483
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,160
just goes Hey?

484
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: Why are here?

485
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 3: Julius Randall says bye bye, and Nasrit does the same. Again,

486
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,759
I don't think they will. It's very very important for

487
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,880
me to to preface that I don't think they will.

488
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,720
But do they have a backup plan in place? Was

489
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,680
the draft deep backup plan? Just getting the big men

490
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,839
in there and then just saying all right, if we

491
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,200
lose those two, we have two very untested guys who

492
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,359
can come in and take those minutes. I just want

493
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,400
to know, like, do they have something in their back

494
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,680
pocket if something goes awry?

495
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,759
Speaker 1: That's a good question that I don't know the answer to,

496
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,359
and it's I mean, the other question you could ask

497
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,559
is because they were so heavily linked to the KD

498
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,240
sweepstakes until it was clear that he really only wanted

499
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,440
to play for Houston or San Antonio felt like in

500
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,440
the end, like, are you still trying to pull off

501
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,359
a bigger move like that? I guess there's no one

502
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,240
available that would sort of fit that ILK, But yeah,

503
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,920
I mean you have Kilexander Walker's a free agent. Nasried

504
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,799
and Julius Randall of player options, and this we can

505
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,480
get into my question too, because it's similar. Is there

506
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,839
any scenario more in which all three are back? And

507
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480
we did the math on the Timberwolves look ahead, they

508
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,400
essentially need those three to make a combined like fifty

509
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,359
five to sixty million next year if they want to

510
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,359
stay under the second apron and have because they if

511
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,599
they want, they can keep all three of them. I

512
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,839
just don't think they're gonna be will to go back

513
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,079
right into the second apron. So I think the only

514
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,559
way that it's really possible is let's just assume that

515
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,759
a kil Alexander Walker gets fifteen. You need to hope

516
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,799
that nas Read opts in and you can extend him

517
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,599
off that number, so you're at thirty, and then it's okay,

518
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,079
like can Julius Randall either opt out and resign for

519
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,839
twenty five or thirty and like, we're just at that

520
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,079
number and figure it out. So I would think it's

521
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,160
it's possible. I just sixty million dollars, let's say, let's

522
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,680
let's round up. Is that enough for those three players?

523
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,559
I think in a vacuum probably not.

524
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: No, how do you even ask that question with a

525
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,119
straight face? Of course, it's not.

526
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, I just gave you the math. I think it

527
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:43,759
all hinges on if you can get nas read to

528
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,440
opt in and extend him off that number, Why was

529
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:46,640
it not?

530
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: It's a it's a one hund andy off of that number?

531
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: What do you think he's going? It's not a lot.

532
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,599
But so like it's ends up being what basically twenty

533
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,279
million dollars a year to start, So he gets a

534
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,720
four year extension off.

535
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,079
Speaker 3: That he's about to enter his prime, right and he's

536
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,119
really really good. There are teams out there, I have

537
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,720
to assume to a great extent that are very interested

538
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,839
in having him as a starter. Even he's probably aware

539
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,519
of that. His agents are probably aware of that, Like

540
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,880
his entire background team is probably aware of that. Like

541
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,039
I'm what, I'm what I'm really asking here, Dan, what's

542
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,680
the carrot here? What is a carrot that makes him

543
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:28,359
chase this?

544
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,079
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is and this is just a

545
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,960
ballparking it a four opting in and then it's a

546
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,759
four year ninety four point one million dollar extension and

547
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,400
so it's effectively a five year, one hundred and six

548
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,359
million dollar deal. You believe that that's too far? Afield

549
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,839
from his market, So.

550
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,519
Speaker 3: I think that would be a pretty decent deal for

551
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,359
the Wolves. I wonder if nas Reed looks at that

552
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,200
and goes, I'm worth more because I know that I

553
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:58,920
have starting money offers elsewhere if it came to that, Like,

554
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,759
I'm not saying it would be bad value, like in

555
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,920
a vacuum, because again, like how many minutes is really

556
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,599
gonna play on that roster when Rudy Colbert is still there?

557
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: Ramble presumably is still.

558
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: There, but perhaps that's another thing, like, like, I know

559
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,920
nas has this great relationship with Minnesota and the fans,

560
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119
and look, I love that, and if that continues, more

561
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,559
power to it, that's great. Is he willing to sacrifice

562
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,960
the bottom line to maintain all that? If he is,

563
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,640
that's awesome. Honestly, if he's like, yeah, I'll take that deal,

564
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,400
I'll sign and stay, Like because ninety million is still

565
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,359
ninety million, I would love that.

566
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: That's great.

567
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,519
Speaker 1: So I didn't even mean interact it. I'm wondering, just like,

568
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,319
what is the team because we know that there's only

569
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:45,200
one team that has the cap space to pay him

570
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,759
right that much, But what is the team that would

571
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,839
like so they would engage in a sign and trade

572
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,720
to give him the deal.

573
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,119
Speaker 3: No, sorry, I think I would be looking at next year.

574
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,920
You were talking about an extension, So if you.

575
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,359
Speaker 1: Were him, you might opt in or maybe sign a

576
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,519
one plus one just worth more and to go into

577
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:01,599
free agency next year.

578
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Perhaps, yes, like opt in and then just looking next year.

579
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,720
It's beyond this season. I'm looking for Nosrit specifically, Like

580
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,079
I do think there's a fair chance that he might

581
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:11,119
opt in just for this year.

582
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: It's the extension party question.

583
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: I just don't know why. Man if he ops in

584
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,079
just to explore free agency, that would be wild, but

585
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,799
it would speak to what the market is that the

586
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:23,720
Nets don't have interest. He's only getting mid level money

587
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,599
from somebody else unless it is a sign and trade.

588
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,279
I do wonder. As Danny Manton says in the chat,

589
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:31,559
Wendy hinted that naw would be the only one to leave.

590
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
That doesn't make sense just because they have no like

591
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480
sort of team control over him. Also, Fisher mentioned that

592
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:39,440
the Hawks, who are having a terrific offseason so far,

593
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,680
hat timp to the Pelicans for that. They mentioned them

594
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,480
as a sign and trade partner for Minnesota. They have

595
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,319
that huge Desonte Murray trade exception, it's like twenty five

596
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,880
point three million, so they could pay not like NAW

597
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,319
could get more than the mid level, and the Hawks

598
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,759
have like depending on game, they're like twenty million under

599
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,960
the tax, so they could go into the tax, but

600
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
we know they won't, so they would pay NAS. So

601
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,880
I would agree that he feels like the most likely

602
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,400
one to leave.

603
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 2: I wonder you have money, then you have enough money

604
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:07,319
to keep the two of them.

605
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,359
Speaker 1: You have to keep Randall and Nas, but it just

606
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,000
feels like you've still lost I think. And the thing

607
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,039
with Alexander Walker is in theory, between Jal and Clark

608
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,160
and between and also with Tarren Shannon Junior, you probably

609
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,000
have the ability to place in theory more of what

610
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,920
Nikail Alexander Walker does than if you lose Julius Randall

611
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,519
or Nas reed I do. But like, if you have

612
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,720
Randall and go Bear, do you think, like could it

613
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,559
make sense if they Let's just say, like what if

614
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,599
Brooklyn was interested in Nas? Is there a sign in

615
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,079
trade that gets you Cam Johnson and then maybe you're

616
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,440
signing a big off the bargain bin to kind of

617
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,880
back up Rudy Gobert or trying out uh, Leonard Miller

618
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920
a little bit more next year, or maybe even just

619
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,119
you know, trying Julius at the five a little bit.

620
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,519
If you think you have the perimeter defenders for it,

621
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:54,160
who do you view I guess my question would be

622
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,960
who do you view as like the most mission critical

623
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,839
of these three to Minnesota?

624
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Probably Randall based on how he played this year and

625
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,200
how he broke his playoff curse a little bit. We

626
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,480
needed to see that from him because if he had

627
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,920
just if he had crapped the bed again in the playoffs,

628
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,119
he wouldn't even be on my radar as someone who

629
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,839
was interesting to retain.

630
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,119
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would just to spend the money on Nas and.

631
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: Nikoil, alexand Walker, and I just kind of would have

632
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960
made Randall a bit of an afterthought, like, yeah, you

633
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,000
can stick around, but it's going to be on our terms.

634
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Randall, I think, really silenced.

635
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,839
Speaker 3: A lot of critics, myself included, because I was a

636
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,720
heavy skeptic.

637
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 2: You know this not just with his play in the playoffs,

638
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,440
but over.

639
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,279
Speaker 3: The course of the record season he displayed on several

640
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,799
occasions the ability to scale back, which he didn't really

641
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,720
show in New York all that well. But he kind

642
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,640
of let be and he made sure that Jade McDaniels

643
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,599
when he started becoming more aggressive at the as the

644
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,240
year went on, he would like, Okay, let's empower that.

645
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,359
Let's make sure we get you the ball. Came a

646
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,960
much more willing passer like sought out Jayden at fair Bunch.

647
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,039
So like, I think he's become so important to their DNA,

648
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:12,160
which is not something I thought I'd be sitting here

649
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,039
to say, like twelve months ago. I never thought i'd

650
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,559
say this. So if you're asking me guns, in my head,

651
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,359
who would I who would I like have to pick

652
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,359
among the three? It's gotta be Randal. And I say

653
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,519
that as someone who loves Nasreez, I.

654
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,599
Speaker 1: Think you're right. I think the key Alexander Roker is

655
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,759
clearly the least valuable of the three, especially because like

656
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,359
he shot the ball well this year, but that could

657
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,200
be shaky. And also I think, you know, when the

658
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:43,400
Kevin Durant boogeyman was still sort of floating around out there,

659
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,759
you have the idea of, oh, we could get like

660
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,920
an upgrade as a second option off of Julius Randall.

661
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,960
Now it's just like I don't know what player would

662
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,319
be feasibly available that you could consider an upgrade from

663
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,440
that spot. That then the Timberwolves also have the assets

664
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,119
necessary go get him, Like they don't. They can't offer

665
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,799
the Desmond Bane special. They don't have those assets at

666
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,799
They're like, okay, Devincenzo and Dillingham and salary that can

667
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,559
get semi interesting, but like that gets you in the

668
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,599
conver Like does that get you in the Levigne conversation?

669
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,960
Like you could do something like that if you're the Kings.

670
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,640
I don't know why they would want Julius Randall though,

671
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
So then it's what is the matching salary to make

672
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,240
that work. They should not be a Jail and Green team,

673
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,240
that's for sure. They shouldn't be a Bradley Beal team.

674
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,559
There's just no names that kind of really stand out

675
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,599
to me, And so it feels like you have to

676
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240
bring Breck Julius Randall, like he has to be your

677
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,039
top priority.

678
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 2: At what point you think the Wolves sit down, look them,

679
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:42,599
look at each other in the eyes, and go, we

680
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,240
need to be younger and get younger for the sake

681
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:45,880
of And.

682
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't think they're trending

683
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,640
in that direction. Just based off their interest in KD.

684
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,880
If anything kind of like implies the opposite that they

685
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,240
it feels like to me they're they're more likely to

686
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:05,359
go make another consolidation trader, take a bigger swing and

687
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,920
maybe deplete their assets even further than they are to say, hey,

688
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760
we're gonna trade Rudy Gobert, because I think that would

689
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,480
be sort of the harbinger of oh, they're trying to

690
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
get youngers. If Rudy Gobert was probably on the table

691
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,599
when Kevin Durant trade talks, what's the player that would

692
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,440
make sense to do that again? And I think it

693
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,199
could have even been if you're bringing back Nasried that

694
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:24,840
still would have been a debate as to how good

695
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,199
can your defense be without Julius Randall. So and again,

696
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,559
that name just doesn't pop off the page to me.

697
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,679
And so I think this team, I believe will largely

698
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,760
look the same, but it also just it doesn't feel

699
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320
like it's enough just yet. Like the offense specifically can

700
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,880
still be quite sloggy, especially when you get to the postseason.

701
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,199
Speaker 3: I'm just not a fan of that approach where oh, yeah,

702
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,000
we'll deplete our assets like a year after year to

703
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,000
optimize our product when that product clearly is still lacking,

704
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,199
like another foundational piece.

705
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: But you just kind of said the opposite about the

706
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,599
Denver Nuggets.

707
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,039
Speaker 2: Though that's Nicola Jokic.

708
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,079
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you don't believe Anthony Edwards can

709
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,000
be the best player on a title team, then.

710
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying he will need more help than what Nicola

711
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,760
Jokic will need, because I think the disparity between them

712
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,400
is pretty significant. I'm not saying it can't be the

713
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,039
best player on a title team. I'm saying he's gonna

714
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:25,639
need more help.

715
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But the Timberwolves, in theory, just

716
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,239
between Dillingham and Devincenzo and even go Beer like they

717
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,000
have trade assets like at least in terms of player

718
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,639
equity that the Nuggets do not. I don't think any teams. Look,

719
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,320
I guess that the Nuggets are willing to include Christian Brown,

720
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,239
which it doesn't seem like they would be, But like

721
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,719
Peyton Watson's probably gonna be pretty may viewed outside of Denver.

722
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,360
The Jamal Murray contract is gonna scare teams away from him.

723
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,760
That Aaron Gordon just always being banged up and maybe

724
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,880
his contract that's gonna scare a few teams off. So

725
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,320
I think that the Wolves, like I, it's totally fair

726
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920
to say that Nicol Joki is way better than Anthony Edwards.

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,840
I don't have an argument against that. I just think

728
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
I just think that it feels counterintuitive to say the Nuggets,

729
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,199
who are asset strapped need to continue going all in

730
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,639
and just it's I know Edwards is younger, so I

731
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,360
guess that would be the crux of your point, that

732
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,519
it makes more sense to go into this sort of

733
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,840
rebuilding process. But you just made consecutive Winster Conference Finals appearances.

734
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440
It feels weird to not try and push the bill

735
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,239
when you are. It feels like, yeah, they're flawed, but

736
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,280
they've still gotten pretty close in each of the past

737
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:32,920
two years.

738
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: You just said the right word the bill, because the

739
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,119
bill will come due eventually. Like if you then keep

740
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,119
going older and older and older, suddenly those older players

741
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,239
their trade value will appreciate that We'll just they will

742
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,400
go away, and eventually you could risk finding yourself in

743
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,199
like a buck situation where you have very few picks

744
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,599
at your disposal, you have very few tradeable assets, where

745
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,079
most of your core around your main guy has sort

746
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,440
of aged out a bit. You don't want to do

747
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,039
that because then Anthony Edwards is gonna look at that situation,

748
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,639
you know, at some point and go, is this the

749
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,119
best option for me? Is this where I want to be?

750
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,679
Is this like does this make sense for me to

751
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:23,000
to continue that relationship, to continue that working environment. It's

752
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,559
I understand your point though, Like I understand because they're

753
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,599
so close quote unquote, like pushing the you know, pushing

754
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,119
the speeder right now makes sense. I don't mind doing

755
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,000
it for a year or two. But like if we go,

756
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,960
Bear is still on the roster at forty five, and

757
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,559
let's just be honest about this, he didn't exactly look

758
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:48,679
great this year. I thought we saw a noticeable, not decline,

759
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,239
that's a harsh word, but I thought we saw we

760
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,239
saw him regress a little bit. And if that pattern

761
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,000
is to continue, that's not great in two years. Like

762
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,840
Julius Randall thirty one as well, like that, he's not

763
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,239
going to get younger. There are a lot of these

764
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,760
players who are on the older side who I think

765
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
you can be realistic about and say they're going to

766
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,800
get much worse over the next year or two. Eventually

767
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,639
you're gonna have to look at that rosterom You're gonna

768
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:18,960
ask yourself, what kind of foundation have we actually built

769
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,000
with Anthony Edwards? Or is he our entire entire foundation?

770
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Because if so, that's not always a good thing.

771
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,519
Speaker 1: I think the issue, though, is what's the point of

772
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,639
going or even entertaining the route that you're throwing out

773
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,679
there when you don't have control over your own first

774
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,199
round pick until like twenty and thirty.

775
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: That's fair, That is very fair. You're right, and that

776
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,519
might be why they're or not might that is clearly

777
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,880
why they're going about this the way that they are.

778
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,039
I just don't think it's a feasible long term plan

779
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,239
down the line, Like do I mind if they go

780
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,920
chase it chase the title this coming season? No, because

781
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
they don't really have a whole lot of options right now.

782
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,280
But I do think eventually you're gonna look at that roster,

783
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,079
it's gonna get significantly worse. It's only Edwards that's really

784
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,920
on the upwards trajectory, depending on what happens with Rob Dillingham.

785
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,039
We haven't seen enough of Rob to like really make

786
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:16,400
an educated opinion on him. If he comes out just hooping,

787
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:21,199
like next season. I'm so much more relaxed about this team.

788
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,039
If he's like, you know, and high.

789
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,079
Speaker 1: End and Shannon is able to play real minutes throughout

790
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:28,519
the season.

791
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he becomes like fully plashed rotational piece and

792
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,280
Dillingham becomes a high ended starter, I'm gonna exhale.

793
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,519
Speaker 1: I sort of wonder if they need to like trial

794
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,400
by fire, Rob Dillingham and it's can you trade It

795
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,320
have to be another team involved, like trade Mike Conley

796
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,119
to Boston for Sam Hauser or something. This is Boston's

797
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,679
looking to save money in Sam Hauser and come in

798
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,920
and fill that shooting role. And now it's okay. Rob

799
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Dillinghead needs to be like the second quarterback or the

800
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,719
third quarterback with Julius Randall as the offense. That's that's

801
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,800
super risky, but I think that that sort of the

802
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,360
came and it's probably why to put a bow on

803
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,320
the Timberwolves. The smartest course of action is if you're

804
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,639
not gonna pay the second apron, keep as many of

805
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,519
the guys as you can of those three, like they're

806
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,519
all important, and we have our rankings. It's Randall, it's

807
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:13,800
Nas and then it's Gnaw and then like you kind

808
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,719
of sit on everything else until the trade deadline. You

809
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,519
see where you're at, Maybe someone shakes loose that makes

810
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,239
sense to go after and you can use Nas or

811
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,159
Randall or some of your other salaries. There's Stevencenzo and

812
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,880
Dialingham still or maybe Dillingham pops, And it's just okay,

813
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Like that's the kind of like the break that they need,

814
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,880
because look, Kevin Durant would have been interesting even if

815
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,920
you had to give up Rudy Gobert. I just don't

816
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,760
know what other name one could shake loose and then

817
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,199
two all right, the Minnesota Timberwolves are within the realm

818
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,239
of assets to where even if they don't have the

819
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,440
best offer, like, it's competitive enough for a team to

820
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,519
accept it. Right our next team, yeah, more. The thing

821
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,800
with this team is they have so many needs. One

822
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,400
of the worst teams in the league. I just don't

823
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,920
know when are they gonna be done rebuilding? And imagine

824
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,280
how many championships they might win if they can win

825
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,320
a championshipilding, Imagine how many they can win when they stop.

826
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, we can sit here and complement

827
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,960
them up the wazoo, But fact is, they still have needs.

828
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
We talked about this like it's so important for them

829
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,719
to get into the season or sorry, this summer and

830
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,679
not rest on their laurels, like they have to be active.

831
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239
We identified over the course of the playoffs at least

832
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,920
that Nadina a little bit more offensive. Juice, I don't

833
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,719
remember you presented a stat to me where I think

834
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:33,159
their offensive ranking dropped by seven point two points per

835
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,239
one hundred processions in the playoffs compared to the regular seasons.

836
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Something somewhere else half court, well, half court, that was

837
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,719
the half court. My apologies, right, but still that's that's

838
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,039
a substantial drop. And I do think they're at times

839
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:53,480
reluctance to take three pointers can be something. That's it's something.

840
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,559
It's an area they can optimize in a better way

841
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:57,559
than they are right now. So I do think they

842
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,159
need to go out and identify a floor spacer. Is

843
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,440
it the Duncan Robinson type, like who can only primarily

844
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,360
only do that? Does it need to be someone I'm

845
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,679
gonna bring it up again, Kobe White. You actually brought

846
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,559
him up for the first time on this one, But

847
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,800
like Kobe White, is he the type of guy you

848
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,880
need to bring into that Organizitsu? Who could play on

849
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:22,800
ball off ball. I don't know the name, but they

850
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,639
still need a shooter.

851
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: So who the name is Trey Murphy for this team

852
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,400
would be just I think that's like the single best fit.

853
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,679
And I know he's not available in New Orleans but

854
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,159
the Thunder. But also even if he's not the Thunder,

855
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,559
have you know, create your own trade market assets, like

856
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,480
if they want somebody, they could just go trade for them. Yeah,

857
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,000
I mean the names that are gonna throw out there,

858
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,000
it's Cam Johnson. It has to be someone good, like

859
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,360
who's better than Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins in a

860
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,239
vacuum because you want them to have a chance at

861
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,360
least of closing games. Otherwise it's sort of what's the point.

862
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,320
It might help you eat some innings during the regular season,

863
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,239
which is important, but like their offense I think got

864
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,320
sloggiest in in the playoffs, so and I think it's

865
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,559
you know, I don't think like Sam Presty understands the

866
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:12,679
timeline they're on now. He's trying to keep this thing

867
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,360
going for as long as possible. They want to be dynastic,

868
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,119
if not an outright dynasty. But this isn't him two

869
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:21,079
years ago not, you know, kind of waiting and seeing

870
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,199
how good the thunder might be. He knows now they

871
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,840
just won the championship, and so I would expect them

872
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,559
to go get somebody. It's just the matter of the name.

873
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,079
And I think, like you said, the Kobe White, it's intriguing,

874
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,920
especially just the salary so easy. They could basically just

875
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,360
trade Uzman Jang for Kobe White plus picks, and so

876
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,800
it's you've given up zero rotation players. Nobody who's getting

877
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,199
a statue like a Kenridge Williams or a big Jaylen Williams.

878
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,079
That would just be insane. But you probably want someone

879
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,119
who's like six six or taller because that gives them

880
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,280
a better like you're not. I guess they could Mark

881
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,239
Degnelt's psycho.

882
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: That's mean to Kobe six', Five Kobe, White it's just,

883
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,440
like how dear, you how dear one?

884
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,519
Speaker 2: INCH i got the inch on my? Hair what are

885
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:02,039
you doing to?

886
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: ME i Guess i'll say this. Way you want someone

887
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,360
who could play like a wingspot more, consistently like scale,

888
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,159
up because what are the odds of like they're never

889
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,039
closing a. GAME i guess they would LIKE i Said

890
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,920
Mark Dagnel. Tsicico are they ever closing a game With Kobe,

891
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,400
White Alex, CARUSO J dubb And Shay Gilgess. ALEXANDER i

892
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,320
guess yes they. Could they probably they probably.

893
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,559
Speaker 3: Would BUT i hear you like because you Your Trey

894
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,719
murphy point is also great from a contractual, perspective like

895
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,719
you know what that contract is gonna. Be you don't

896
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,599
know What Kobe white's contract is gonna. Be SO i

897
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:35,320
think that's right your.

898
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,599
Speaker 1: Point of The Cam, Johnson he's featured on the YouTube

899
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:40,440
image that's the name that everybody throws, out and he

900
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,920
does like kind of make a bunch of sense there

901
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,639
because you know he Doesn't you, know With Kobe, white

902
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,719
you're gonna make sure you get him on ball touches

903
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
WHERE i think their offense could use an element of,

904
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,840
that but maybe not too much when you Have, Jay

905
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440
dubb And shay and of course you want the games

906
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,039
of not Just Chet holmgren to. Expand but Like, nicolo

907
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,960
topic will probably be a rotation player next season for.

908
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,880
Them so that's Why Cam johnson's probably. Intriguing we went

909
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,000
through a bunch of names when we were talking about

910
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:05,639
them the other. Day is there anyone else that still

911
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,119
sort of just stands out to you as this would

912
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:11,280
be like an excellent. Fit Like Duncan robinson is, fine

913
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,639
but he's not. Cracking he's not even like in the

914
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,800
top seven of their playoff. ROTATION i don't think.

915
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 3: You know what be a really sickle. Thing we're sitting

916
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,119
here talking About Kobe white Versus Trey. Murphy what If

917
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,480
Sam presty goes in and Says Trey.

918
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Murphy And white, chews, Yeah white, Chews white, chews then

919
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,760
you just, LIKE i, mean they could do that now

920
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,119
without having to give up like any core. Players but

921
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,480
that's not sustainable moving. Forward it might not be.

922
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:40,679
Speaker 3: Sustainable but, like if you could do, that like you probably.

923
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,639
STAND i don't even know.

924
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: The, percentages So i'm not gonna say, that but like.

925
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: That would be such an almost shoe in for the

926
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:48,559
championship next.

927
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:49,519
Speaker 2: Season it's.

928
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Insane like and then you basically, say, look even If

929
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,239
kobe leaves us in free, agency we might just win

930
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,079
a secondary title of his his help as.

931
00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: WELL i do.

932
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,159
Speaker 1: THAT i mean you probably have, to BUT i, mean,

933
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,679
like what's the cost of getting them. Both it's just

934
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,039
that would be. Insane that's like the weekend.

935
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 3: You're negotiating against our Tourist Carnish shoulvis And Joe.

936
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,119
Speaker 2: Dumars it could not be.

937
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: Better does do any of the free? Agents they're not gonna.

938
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: Want to pick, back they want.

939
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,679
Speaker 1: Cash, SORRY i guess my whole thing is, like what

940
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,679
is the actual cost of because you mentioned there's the

941
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,840
what Is Kobe white's next contract look? Like so if

942
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,119
you're viewing as a, rental the cost needs to align

943
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:33,800
with that where it's like we, said Try murphy's under

944
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,440
contract for a. While these players aren't big. Enough but

945
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,159
do any of like the free agent, snipers those dead

946
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,599
eye shooters Like Gary Trent junior Or Malik beasley constitute

947
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,960
upgrades for them from you know The arab J Aaron wiggins.

948
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,800
Button you THINK i.

949
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: Love beastly on this, TEAM i really. WOULD i think

950
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,639
that would be a, great great. Addition and if they

951
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,719
signed him outright and thus don't have to relinquish any like,

952
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:05,400
assets they maintained their draft pick, flexibility good, LORD i mean.

953
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: That would be. Insane poked. Up bogdanovic kind of has the,

954
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,320
size but he's older't cost much to get. HIM i

955
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,920
don't know what salary you want to send out to

956
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,679
get him, Though.

957
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: Just to wrap up on The Kobe white, thing are

958
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,480
we sure if he wins a title that he's not

959
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:22,519
gonna be willing like he just Spent.

960
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: He hasn't gotten paid. Paid there's no way he's taking

961
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:25,960
like a.

962
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: Discount that's, true and that's that's really.

963
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: FAIR i, see my my thing IS i like he

964
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,400
would probably, SAY i JUST i just spent my entire

965
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,280
career with the bulls now winning a. Championship likes just

966
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,159
stick here because that's the best place for.

967
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:44,199
Speaker 2: Me, like MAYBE i don't, know Maybe.

968
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: I've Would Sam hawser makes sense for this. Team try

969
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,000
to just run through some names.

970
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: HERE i feel like house would makes some sort of

971
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,400
sense on every.

972
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,079
Speaker 1: Team but is he good enough to make sense that

973
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:56,559
this team is so good that you need to make

974
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,039
a lot of sense on this?

975
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: Team, NO i, mean if you were, looking, that's as you,

976
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,239
said someone who can finish. Games, NO i, mean then

977
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:08,679
the forward floor spacing thread has to Be Trey.

978
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: Murphy THE i will, say you did not like this

979
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,760
name last, time BUT i still Think Derek white could

980
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,079
fit the.

981
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: Ball, NO i, SAID i you wouldn't. MIND i just

982
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,440
didn't find it that. CREATIVE i thought YOU i thought

983
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:20,880
you that.

984
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: Creative if they were kind of looking to or maybe

985
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,440
you just get both of. Them let's Throw Kobe white

986
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,480
back in. Here if you were looking To, okay this

987
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,119
guy's not gonna play a, ton but when we need,

988
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,400
him we can push the. Button Lonzo ball on this

989
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,440
team would also be. Absurd maybe you get him And Kobe.

990
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: WHITE i thought you just Say Grayson allen BEFORE i

991
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,039
was about ready to just smack you.

992
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: Up. NO i mean LIKE i, would especially with the,

993
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,599
contract like why wouldn't you Prefer Isaiah joe Or Aaron

994
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,000
wagins at that point they need to Be and that's what's,

995
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,440
challenging because this team is already so good it feels

996
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,760
like they have a clear. Flaw but BECAUSE i think

997
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,519
that you don't want the player who fills it to

998
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:57,039
be too small, necessarily you're now finding like a very

999
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:01,199
specific archetype of, player one that everyone and yes you

1000
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,559
can outbid everyone for, them but you're also trying to

1001
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,840
fit them into your future salary structure as, well which

1002
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,239
is where the challenge starts to kick.

1003
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,119
Speaker 3: IN i, think, look just going back to this idea

1004
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,199
of getting Both Trey murphy And Kobe, WHITE i.

1005
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: Just WOULDN'T i can SELL i get you latching Onto Kobe,

1006
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,920
white but we have just Like Trey murphy's probably the

1007
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,559
single most untouchable player In New, orleans and they just

1008
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:26,559
traded their own draft, pick or they don't have a

1009
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,519
draft pick next, year so they have no incentive to

1010
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,679
give Up Trey murphy un lest they're unless they're just

1011
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,239
batshit insane around those.

1012
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: Parts SO i don't think that can be ruled, Out.

1013
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: SIR i think the thing that we can rule out

1014
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,599
IS i don't believe The thunder would give up what

1015
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:44,800
it would take to get The pelicans to part with.

1016
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,519
Him that would be very on thunder like to.

1017
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,039
Speaker 3: Me look, again that depends on How Joe dumars Values Trey.

1018
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,239
Murphy we have no, clue we have no.

1019
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: IDEA i just for some you're latching onto it is my,

1020
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,360
point and that feels like sort of a like just

1021
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,599
pure fiction for you to latch onto. THAT i know

1022
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,119
this is all, theoretical but he of every name we've,

1023
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:11,800
mentioned who is the least likely to be moved this? Offseason?

1024
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: SIR i thought you AND i agreed about a month

1025
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000
ago that there's nothing fiction is about or fictitious about

1026
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,400
the thunder and their trade. Assets we agreed that they

1027
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,360
can create a, market but everyone.

1028
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,639
Speaker 1: They've never acted like it, Though like they're not just

1029
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,679
gonna go To New orleans and, say, hey here's five

1030
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:29,280
first round.

1031
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: PICKS i, mean, Look, sam they.

1032
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Could i'm saying they.

1033
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,079
Speaker 2: Won't, Okay i'm just.

1034
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,119
Speaker 3: Saying Sam presty twelve months ago was like ho, hum

1035
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,119
we're still just like. Building now they want to freaking,

1036
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,519
Ship like maybe now is the time for him to, Say,

1037
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,760
okay it's. Time who. Knows i'm Just i'm just THINKING i.

1038
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Can get behind. IT i just you're you seem unwilling

1039
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,320
to talk about anyone. Else now that's all the.

1040
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 2: Problem that's, Fair, okay you know, What, okay that is.

1041
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 3: Fair let's talk about someone, else because it does have

1042
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,559
to be a, shooter right that to be someone we.

1043
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: Kind of just went through like the like that's the

1044
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,280
thing an for Me simons for a year could get.

1045
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,679
Interesting but again it's like as a rental and also,

1046
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,239
small like we just said six to six or, taller like,

1047
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,079
yeah you go to The Kobe white. Route at that,

1048
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,719
Point Sam houser feels like the worst player that could

1049
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,719
make where it's oh Like, yeah like maybe he would

1050
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,039
play Over wiggins And Isaiah Joe, right doesn't he kind

1051
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,119
of feel like the worst? Player you can name it

1052
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,960
this because if, now if you pull The thunder, internally

1053
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,960
they might say the worst player who fits that bill

1054
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,559
Is Cam, johnson which is a testament to who The

1055
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:32,639
thunder are right now in.

1056
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: Itself we also talked about another player as well in

1057
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,920
regards to, them and we were we weren't super high on,

1058
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,039
it But Jabari Smith, JUNIOR i just don't think The

1059
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,760
rockets after THE kd trade are like super intensive ives

1060
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,960
to go out and make drastic changes to their.

1061
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: Team do you think.

1062
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: He does enough of what they?

1063
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 3: Need we haven't seen the high volumes that that's a

1064
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,840
really fair. Question, well here's.

1065
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,199
Speaker 1: A, question BECAUSE i know you love this player and

1066
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,800
we know he's. Available Per Kelly ico of The Athletic Cam,

1067
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,880
whitmore would you, rather if you're The, thunder roll the

1068
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,880
dice on What Cam whitmore could do or What Jabari

1069
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,400
smith could?

1070
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Do, no If Cam whitmore is WHICH i, do.

1071
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,159
Speaker 1: First of, all if The rockets trade either one of

1072
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,880
these guys to The, THUNDER i want someone fired, immediately.

1073
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,559
Speaker 3: Right and ALSO i just don't understand why he'd be,

1074
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,360
Available Kim, widmore especially now That Jalen green is. Gone

1075
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:33,960
if he's, available, yeah like absolutely six, seven high, volume

1076
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,880
super explosive only at what like three and a half

1077
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:38,679
million for.

1078
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:39,159
Speaker 2: The next year.

1079
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,119
Speaker 1: Years it's only two years into his rookie, scale.

1080
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: Right, exactly so he's got another year after after.

1081
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,559
Speaker 3: This he can play the off, guard he can play

1082
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:56,079
the three like he's, big, physical. Strong, yeah, absolutely, absolutely

1083
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:56,599
he would help.

1084
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: Them he just feels like more of a dice. Roll

1085
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:01,519
and when you're this, level The thunder can afford to

1086
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,119
have a dice, roll but you also kind of want a.

1087
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,199
Certainty but you talk about fitting into their salary structure

1088
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,480
like you're kicking the can two years down the. Road

1089
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,480
and again that's a matter of you don't you don't

1090
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,320
have the roster space to give up. Nobody but you

1091
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,840
could do something Like Dylan jones For Cam, whitmore Like

1092
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,320
Dylan jones on a pick For Cam, whitmore and it

1093
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,559
would just, work so that that would be that would

1094
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,119
be Very thunder esque to, me to where it's we

1095
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,360
got someone who maybe checks the, box but maybe he,

1096
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,039
doesn't but he's just so cheap that we're gonna try it. Anyway,

1097
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:29,079
YEAH i.

1098
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,159
Speaker 3: Don't care THOUGH i Won Kobe white and the trade

1099
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:35,400
to that, Idea i'm never letting it, go And I'm

1100
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,800
i'll be forever disappointed In Sam prest if he doesn't

1101
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:38,079
pull it.

1102
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: Off generational hater Says Cam whitmore is not. AVAILABLE i just.

1103
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,360
Disagree Cam whitmore's not. Untouchable just because they didn't send

1104
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,800
him to The suns for a soon to be thirty

1105
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,719
seven year old and an expiring contract does not mean he's.

1106
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,639
Unavailable how's that for generational? Hating Uh, so my question,

1107
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,559
Here Cheholm Gonna Jaylen williams are both extension. Eligible it's

1108
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,159
the rookie, scale so it's the five year max would

1109
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,639
run two hundred and forty six point. Seven there could

1110
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,280
be escalation language to two hundred and ninety six million

1111
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,840
if they one of them makes like they could put

1112
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,000
the ALL nba special language in. There my question, is

1113
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,599
AND i think this is a short, one like what

1114
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,960
do their extensions look? Like do we just pencil In

1115
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,039
let's start With Jay. DUBB i would kind of just

1116
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,599
pencil him in for the five year you, know escalation

1117
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,679
special where it's the. Max but it can be even.

1118
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Higher is Where i'd be at with. Him my question would,

1119
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,280
be does he get a player? Option it seems like

1120
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,559
we're seeing player options at the end of these deals

1121
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,599
fewer and further. Between so let's start With jay Dub

1122
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:35,960
what do you think that ends up looking like.

1123
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: Full? Max whatever you, want take, it here you.

1124
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,679
Speaker 1: Go so the five year special with probably do you

1125
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:45,519
think he'll get a player?

1126
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,079
Speaker 3: Option, well why? Not if that's what he, wants just

1127
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:50,800
all the bells and.

1128
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Whistles my guess would be he's not gonna get it.

1129
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:55,719
ONE i DON'T i don't know if he'll ask for,

1130
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,239
one BUT i just don't think he's Gonna this team

1131
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,760
is so, together i'd be kind of surprised if he

1132
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,280
has as a player option at the end of that.

1133
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: Deal it's only a win for The thunder if he.

1134
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,639
Doesn't so, Cool BUT i, mean, Look i'm Just i'm

1135
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:10,320
not worried about.

1136
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,639
Speaker 2: It If i'm The, thunder he's that.

1137
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: Good like if he wants to opt out a little

1138
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,840
bit earlier to go seek a bigger, Gad i'll pay.

1139
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 1: It chet Ol grin a little bit? More sh are

1140
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,719
you giving? Him we already talked about whether you thought

1141
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,440
he was a no Brainer, max and you think that

1142
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,000
they should maybe negotiate a little. Bit is that WORD

1143
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:30,440
i use.

1144
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: Was Hackle AND i still do think.

1145
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: THAT i you, know one hundred and fourteen games in

1146
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,679
his career in the regular season didn't exactly set the

1147
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,719
world on fire in the. Playoffs is he a crucial

1148
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,440
foundation piece for the for The?

1149
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: Thunder?

1150
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,639
Speaker 3: Absolutely did he just come off a serious injury in

1151
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,280
those fifty games missed this year and was there probably

1152
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,320
something that still affected him during that playoff. RUN i

1153
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,880
can't rule that. Out but If i'm The, THUNDER i

1154
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,119
also just have to deal in the, facts and that

1155
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,559
is that his production wasn't at a level THAT i.

1156
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:09,599
Expected he hasn't been entirely available over the first three

1157
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,079
years of his, career and those are things That i'm

1158
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:18,039
gonna have to use quote unquote against him in an

1159
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:21,519
extension chatter Like i'm okay with him going out in

1160
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,800
the restricted free agency like next year and creating his own.

1161
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,599
Market he probably will prob be A. Max but if

1162
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,320
if he's worth, IT i have no issues like matching.

1163
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,559
That but IF i can get him for, CHEAPER i

1164
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,159
wouldn't hate. IT i think the solution THAT i brought

1165
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,559
up to you was the fund max to start and

1166
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,920
then just a flat rate from what the fun max

1167
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,079
starts out at in twenty six twenty. Seven so like

1168
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,719
that twenty five percent of the salary cap number for

1169
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,679
twenty twenty six twenty twenty, seven and then just that

1170
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,320
number repeated for four, years for four.

1171
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: Years you, said, SO i think that's like his max

1172
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,119
Is like, WHAT i, think it's the forty two point.

1173
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,159
Eight i'm just gonna imball. This so over four, years

1174
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:12,119
that's four years and one seventy. One, BASICALLY i think

1175
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,039
it's LIKE i, THINK i think he's gonna end up

1176
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,920
getting the, max AND I i THINK i feel more

1177
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,960
commident think he probably won't get a player, option more

1178
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,000
so THAN J dub and unless the outcome to all

1179
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,519
this is that he signs a shorter deal and then

1180
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,480
maybe they give him a player option on.

1181
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: That but who's the most important one to retain, here, Right?

1182
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,039
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean IT'S J dub and they're neither of

1183
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:34,639
them are going. Anywhere i'm just curious to see what

1184
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,679
the extensions look. LIKE i think the only real point

1185
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,079
of potential division would be With. Chad it's like you,

1186
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,480
said do you haggle over? Anything maybe it's maybe it

1187
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,039
is the full, boat but are there injury like games

1188
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:48,400
played protections in there for the? THUNDER i don't, know

1189
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,280
but they just wanted. Titles this is like the perfect

1190
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,440
time for him to sign an. Extension the vibes are, good, right,

1191
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,039
yeah so he will get. IT i just he's the

1192
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,000
only like of the. Two i'm just sort of, Like

1193
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,119
i'm curious to see what that might end up looking

1194
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,559
like we move on, you, Okay.

1195
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,719
Speaker 3: OKAY i just wanted to SAY i. AGREE I i

1196
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,679
just think there is a world wherein we might be

1197
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,159
getting a little too ahead of ourselves With. JED i

1198
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,400
love him, though LIKE i see the, upside but it

1199
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:15,880
is what it.

1200
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,239
Speaker 2: Is it's.

1201
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,519
Speaker 3: Upside like his current, PRODUCTION i don't think it's worth

1202
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:21,079
a max right.

1203
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:26,119
Speaker 1: Now we haven't talked about at length, anyway The Drew

1204
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:29,199
holiday trade before getting into The. Blazers what did you

1205
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,760
make of that giving Up Anthony simon's and two second

1206
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,440
round picks For Drew Drew.

1207
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,719
Speaker 2: HOLIDAY i was.

1208
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,639
Speaker 3: SURPRISED i was surprised, that you, know it was The

1209
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,679
blazers who attached assets to that. TRADE i did not

1210
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,519
think That drew had that trade.

1211
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:46,519
Speaker 2: Value apparently he.

1212
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: Did that shocked me BECAUSE i thought several teams would

1213
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,639
look at his, age look at his steel and just, go,

1214
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,320
yeah you know, what let's try to squeeze The celtics

1215
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,679
for a couple seconds or first or whatever if we

1216
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:01,840
want to take that. On The blazers to actively want

1217
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,440
him as a contract that surprised, me it really. Did

1218
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:10,119
BUT i, mean, look there are benefits to. This is

1219
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:14,360
this possibly the best mentor? POSSIBLE i mean To Scoot?

1220
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: Henderson?

1221
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 3: Yeah does his presence also Allow scoot And shade And

1222
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:22,159
sharp to be the primary shot to, go, Well danny

1223
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:22,679
afterim as?

1224
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:23,559
Speaker 2: Well like those?

1225
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: Three are they gonna get empowered now to take more

1226
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,880
shots With simon's out of the.

1227
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:28,119
Speaker 2: Way.

1228
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely so there is an element of try by fire

1229
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,559
here as well by bringing In, drew WHICH i actually.

1230
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:40,480
Like but the deal, ITSELF i thought probably could have

1231
00:59:41,159 --> 00:59:43,920
avoided the second rounders at the very least and perhaps

1232
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,400
even squeezed out a couple of seconds From. Boston is

1233
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,559
that gonna turn it into an outright shitty? Deal, No

1234
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,239
but it's like some of those smaller things that annoy.

1235
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: ME i was IF i think it's debatable as to

1236
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,320
whether they should have done. IT i was surpris that

1237
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,199
the reaction was SO, wtf what's going on In? PORTLAND

1238
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,599
i just view it as you, know the contract is the.

1239
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:09,239
Contract if you want him for next, year it's all

1240
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,480
of a sudden a two year, deal and that can

1241
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:13,960
be easily, moved and you always need to send out

1242
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,920
money in. Trades we very rarely see trades where it's

1243
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,880
pure cap. Space, Yeah portland could have maybe hoarded cap,

1244
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,559
space but you're always gonna need matching. MONEY i was,

1245
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,320
AGAIN i was surprised that they were the team that

1246
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,960
had to attach picks here even just straight, UP i

1247
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,079
think like that would have made more sense to. Me

1248
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,840
with all of that, SAID i would agree and echo

1249
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:36,199
everything you yourself. SAY i think what gets a. Little

1250
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,639
my two questions are like what does this do to the?

1251
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:43,079
Hierarchy and this will just tap into my question, itself

1252
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,639
what does this do the hierarchy on the team because

1253
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:51,480
you Have Shane, Sharp Scoot, Henderson Tamati, Kamara Danny, Avia Jeremy,

1254
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:55,280
Grant like who is starting from that? Group AND i

1255
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,159
know that it might not matter who starts who? Fit,

1256
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,519
okay what's your closing? Lineup and so there are a

1257
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,039
lot of just players that have the profile or the

1258
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,000
equity invested in them when you look at where they're

1259
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:07,920
drafted to where it'd be very weird if all of

1260
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,119
a sudden scoot is quote unquote STILL i know he

1261
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:13,159
started games last year coming off the, bench or if

1262
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,800
it's shade and sharp all of a sudden doing. That

1263
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,159
and then my other question, there and this is the actual,

1264
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:22,159
question is it does seem like they view themselves as

1265
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:25,239
being relevant next, season which is. Fine that defense was already.

1266
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:28,719
Feisty it's gonna, become you, know just like an inferno

1267
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,800
of disruption and. Stability now That Drew holliday is, there

1268
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,199
you have to get more shooting in. Here this stat

1269
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,079
like you when you hear, it you're, like, yeah that makes,

1270
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,599
sense but it's also kind of. Jarring last, year among

1271
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,800
all Non Anthony simon's players on The, blazers they ranked

1272
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,119
in the seventh percentile of catch and shoot three point shot,

1273
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:57,320
making the eighth percentile of overall three point shot, making

1274
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,360
and the twenty seventh percentile of all off ball. Gravity it's,

1275
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,800
like now you're getting a peek into, Like, Okay Amberty

1276
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,760
simons might not have been as efficient as he was last,

1277
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,440
year but he took the kinds of, shots forced the

1278
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,239
type of defensive attention that made the. OFFENSE i don't

1279
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:14,159
even think you could call it, tenable but it made it,

1280
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,960
better made it more of AN nba offense that is.

1281
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,760
Gone that's just, gone And Drew holliday is not replacing.

1282
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,840
THAT i, Know Tamati kamaras shot the ball well from.

1283
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,360
Three Denny abvi has seen his percentage tick. Up they

1284
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,400
need like, like Either Shaydon sharp needs to pop as

1285
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,800
just like this jump, shooter OR i would still say

1286
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,239
even if he does, pop you need to go out

1287
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:38,719
there and get preferably someone who's bigger Than simon's. Was

1288
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,679
you need to go get An Anthony simon's.

1289
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:44,079
Speaker 2: Replacement are we about to have A Trey murphy discussion?

1290
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:45,400
Again because they, Can't they just.

1291
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: Can't, well you know what's, interesting it's Not Trey murphy.

1292
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,599
Specifically this team has now shown in consecutive offseasons that

1293
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,519
they will go against the grain with their trades to

1294
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,000
where they give up future draft picks For Denny avdi

1295
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,840
last year and now they just trade for mid Thirties

1296
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,199
Drew holliday with three years and one hundred plus million

1297
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,280
left on his. Deal so if you told me that

1298
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,079
they went out and traded a first round pick to

1299
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,639
get like a higher end shooter in, here it just

1300
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,840
wouldn't shock. Me and ALSO i think they really need.

1301
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: It when you were talking about the offensive pegging, order

1302
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,519
was your omission Of DeAndre aiden? Intentional or is he

1303
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:23,239
stuck on the ice trying to get to the.

1304
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:26,079
Speaker 1: Game, well he's not gonna give you floor space like

1305
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:28,559
at this. Point isn't Like Yong nson gonna give you

1306
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,480
more floor spacing like than some of the other guys

1307
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,239
on your. Roster but that's the other thing is you

1308
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,280
have all these. Bigs, NOW i don't have a. Prop

1309
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,079
by the, way people slamming that pick like we don't

1310
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,960
know what he's gonna turn. Into yet you count acknowledge

1311
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,280
it was a, risk it was a. Reach they moved

1312
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,360
back to do it like in THEIR i also support

1313
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,280
because they have a million. Bigs but the other thing

1314
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,679
that's weird about The blazers more and this encompasses everybody

1315
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,119
on the, roster as promising as they might, be is

1316
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:58,559
there anyone that they currently employ that is good enough

1317
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,599
that you are so sure as good enough that it's

1318
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:03,639
going to deter you from drafting or acquiring a player

1319
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:09,239
at any given. Position, No, nope that and so LIKE

1320
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,199
i just don't. KNOW i didn't understand the outrage over

1321
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:13,119
that pick is. All but they do have a trillion.

1322
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,760
Bigs so it's just like they need that, Type like

1323
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,679
they could use A Sam, Houser like why was there

1324
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:19,559
not a way to fit him into that? Deal could

1325
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:22,480
they have done something like? That but like could they

1326
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,960
be A Cam johnson? Team you did Throw Trey murphy out.

1327
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,639
THERE i just don't think they give up enough to get,

1328
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:28,119
him but like THEY.

1329
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,679
Speaker 3: I was, kidding but, like, YES i just didn't want

1330
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,079
to have that conversation all over. Again but, no you're,

1331
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:34,840
right he would be Bring Kobe.

1332
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: White come, on that's correct.

1333
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:42,519
Speaker 3: Exactly so it's a weird, roster, Right so aiden we,

1334
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:48,519
know solid defensive, player good, rebounder strong and serious scoring

1335
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:52,639
scorer when he's, motivated but obviously not worth his salary

1336
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,360
at this. Point, jerreo my grand is to, me like

1337
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:58,920
what is he doing on that roster at that? Age

1338
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,360
and you know he doesn't really help them from the. Outside,

1339
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,920
yeah he's got some volume to, it but that's more

1340
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,719
or less it defensively, fine like or actually outright. Good

1341
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,559
but is he that good that you can't really replace

1342
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:16,639
him internally with more minutes To Donovan klingen and an

1343
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:21,079
improved role To kamara or something not. Necessarily you're, right

1344
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,559
there are a lot of replaceable players on this, team

1345
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:27,880
WHICH i think in a way is also encouraging when

1346
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,559
you look at how they wrapped up the season in

1347
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,119
a way like they found their, footing and then you

1348
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,320
still have players where you're, like, ho, hummed they really

1349
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,320
have a role. Here that's sort of a win in

1350
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,559
and of. ITSELF i just don't know what the market

1351
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,599
is for some of these, players like if they're trying

1352
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,039
to pivot away From, aiden.

1353
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,079
Speaker 1: What aspiring if you want to take on, money that's semi, interesting.

1354
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: Right but, like do you want to take on money

1355
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,159
if you feel as though you can be competitive within?

1356
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:58,280
Long don't you then want to optimize that salary spot

1357
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,719
in some way shable for?

1358
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Him, yeah that's a good. POINT i was wondering if

1359
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:06,239
The NUGGETS i think get worse, here is there's some

1360
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,159
sort of Like Jeremy Grant Michael porter junior, structure Because

1361
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:11,079
Michael Porter junior would make a lot of sense dealers

1362
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:11,719
shit liked.

1363
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,239
Speaker 3: THAT i like, That But Jeremy grant did not like

1364
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,880
at least at the tail end of his stay In.

1365
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,000
Denver he didn't like being there because he thought he

1366
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:25,280
was just such an. Afterthought, offensively do you sell him, on,

1367
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,119
hey you know, what given the current structure of the,

1368
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:31,440
team go right ahead an average, Twenty, like do you

1369
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,039
make that pitch to him if you're The?

1370
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: Nuggets?

1371
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: WELL i think also that was before he had been,

1372
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,880
paid and now he's been paid, twice and so he

1373
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,679
just might be at a different point in his career

1374
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,679
where contention might matter, more especially since he's on. That and,

1375
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:46,119
also you, know With Michael Porter junior coming, out there

1376
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:48,199
is going to be some sort of like scoring vacuum.

1377
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:50,880
THERE i don't you, know he's probably a little bit

1378
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,559
better still as an on ball, score but as a,

1379
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,960
Shooter like that's a downgrade For. Denver so we're sitting,

1380
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,519
Here tom and they should go out after. Shooters that's

1381
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,280
a downgrade. There that's sort of the type of player they.

1382
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,440
NEED i don't view The Grand deal AS i guess

1383
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,199
as toxic as you. Do what is it like three

1384
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,039
years and one hundred and two or one hundred and

1385
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:09,440
four million left.

1386
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: On, okay so toxic is probably IF i use that,

1387
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,320
WORD i want to take that. Back that's probably a

1388
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,280
bad word on my part If i've used that. Before

1389
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,000
i'm just slightly nervous when a guy suddenly drops almost

1390
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,000
ten percentage points in terms of his, efficiency drops seven

1391
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,159
points per, game well more or less playing the same

1392
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:35,920
minutes and just looking all types of bend out of

1393
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,960
shape offensively from one year to the. Other AM i

1394
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:42,320
panicking a little bit about The Jeremy grant situation In? Portland,

1395
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,679
yes ADMITTEDLY i. Am maybe there's a bounce back year.

1396
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: THERE i think a lot of it. TOO i think

1397
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,159
it's fair to be. Worried BUT i think the two

1398
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,000
things that we probably don't talk about enough is the

1399
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,519
ecosystem around him where there wasn't good spacing for, anybody

1400
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,360
just like. Basically and then the other thing is, like

1401
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,440
what does it say like the pecking orter was kind

1402
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,239
of just like shifting before him there when you're like

1403
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,159
Now Danny avvia is, involved and you Have scoot and

1404
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,039
you Have Tamani kamara And Shane sharp doing a little bit. More,

1405
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,920
SO i think that one your playing time gets IMPACT

1406
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,319
i guess his didn't get dramatically impacted by, it BUT

1407
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:18,960
i think just the functionality of. Him so maybe going

1408
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,720
somewhere where the role won't change as much because it's

1409
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,159
a team that's more focused on the immediate or has

1410
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,439
a very clear cut role for. Him Where, portland you,

1411
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,000
know we're talking like we're mentioning about who's gonna, start

1412
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:31,640
like as of right, Now like there's probably a pretty

1413
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,520
good chance that he just comes off the, bench right

1414
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,880
unless they're viewing this in terms of, salary in which, case,

1415
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:38,079
Oh DeAndre ayton And Jeremy grant have to.

1416
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: START i don't know what the response.

1417
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 3: Is they just need a, response, honestly because you can't

1418
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,159
rely on a guy who just was inefficient literally from

1419
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:54,119
everywhere on the. Floor it's a tough. SITUATION i also

1420
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:57,560
Think denny's ready to take that, Step like to that question,

1421
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,359
earlier is there anyone where you wouldn't draft or get

1422
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,199
a guy at a certain position because he's locked. IN

1423
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:07,439
i Think denny's the closest to that answer as currently. Constructed,

1424
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:08,840
YEAH i think.

1425
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: He has because we just don't. Know like, infury it

1426
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,079
should scoot should be the, answer but he's just not

1427
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,720
yet like you. Haven't he was better last. Year definitely

1428
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,199
stay year and He'll i'm assuming he'll continue to. Improve

1429
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,399
i'm still in On, scoot but, Yeah denny is the

1430
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,039
closest they come to like having that primary face of the,

1431
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:27,439
future and he.

1432
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: Was so good to wrap up the.

1433
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 3: YEAR i thought we saw like a significant shift in

1434
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,720
his play style. Too you, know he was VERY i

1435
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,920
don't want to say, stationary that might be the wrong,

1436
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,600
Word like he always tried to do something on the

1437
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,399
ball when he was In, washington but it felt as

1438
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:45,239
though it was like more along the, lines you, know

1439
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:49,600
straight line, drives spot up, shooting like he wasn't really

1440
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,960
allowed to do to be as creative as he was In.

1441
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,920
Portland AND i think the first half of the season

1442
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,239
he sort of Played Washington wizards. Basketball still he felt, like, oh,

1443
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:01,960
YEAH i still have to play within the scheme of the.

1444
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,359
OFFENSE i still have to limit. Myself and then the

1445
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:06,039
second half of the, year oh my, god he started

1446
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:11,119
playing like luka freakin' dontic like it suddenly something just

1447
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,359
went off and he, was, YEAH i got it. Now

1448
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,720
if that, sustainable that also solves the big question we've

1449
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,000
had about this team for a while, now which is

1450
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,720
who's their main guy who to build, around who is

1451
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:25,800
like the.

1452
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,199
Speaker 1: Lynchpin SO i think there's a point where it could

1453
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:31,399
be sustainable because we kind of saw it during the

1454
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,720
latter half of the year In washington when they really

1455
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,880
like kind of lean and he was just. Empowered More

1456
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,279
so we've seen that level before to some. EXTENT i

1457
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:41,119
just don't know if he's like this sort of feels

1458
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:45,199
like the lowry marketing level of star at best to where, okay,

1459
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,600
Interesting like he could definitely be not different, players let

1460
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,880
me be, clear but he's probably not going to be

1461
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,399
the best player on the four seed in The Western.

1462
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:58,000
Conference like that's just probably Not and by the, way

1463
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,920
that's like another name is there a structure where you

1464
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,319
And Jeremy grant's salary and then you're Compensating utah enough

1465
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,520
to Get Larry market in on this? Team that would

1466
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,199
be like That Cam johnson And larry market and The

1467
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,199
Michael porter. Junior that feels like the best type of

1468
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:13,840
acquisition for this team if they're looking to elevate their.

1469
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,359
Speaker 2: OFFENSE i don't hate.

1470
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: That that's actually a pretty Good Lauri marketing, Team AND

1471
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,920
i don't think there are a lot out there Where

1472
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,640
i'm just, like, oh this team Needs lauri.

1473
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: Marketing this might actually be one of.

1474
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,159
Speaker 1: THEM i guess it gets weird is just they don't

1475
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,800
really have like who are you giving To? Utah like

1476
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,319
they don't have the blue chip prospect That i'm assuming

1477
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:35,520
you're not going to Trade sharp Or henderson To utah

1478
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,399
to Get lowry and so it's all picks AND i

1479
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,600
don't know That utah is going to be interested in

1480
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,640
that just because they have a crap ton of picks.

1481
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,880
Themselves this, TEAM i will, say we called Them grant.

1482
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,840
Nine we were doing their offseason look at the biggest

1483
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,960
wildcard of the. Offseason they immediately proved us right like

1484
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:55,560
thirty six hours later by trading For Drew. Holliday and

1485
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,359
they're still like the biggest wildcard of the one of

1486
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:00,520
the biggest wildcards of the are Like toronto up there for,

1487
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,439
Sure but this team is a huge offseason wild card

1488
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,279
AND i favor. IT i, LIKE i kind of like

1489
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,520
the mystery box stuff that's going on right.

1490
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,399
Speaker 2: Here, Agreed it's.

1491
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 3: FUN i, mean look the SO i was about to,

1492
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,000
Say Hanson yang is it because He's? Chinese It's Yang hanson,

1493
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,960
like how do we go about this The Yao ming

1494
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:19,520
situation as, well like he Had yao on the back

1495
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,000
of his. Jersey i'm not really sure of is It

1496
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:24,560
Yang hanson or is It Hanson?

1497
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: YANG i, look just to, CONFESS i will sit down

1498
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,640
BEFORE i do the preseason preseason look aheads and like

1499
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,479
try to get the pronunciation of all the new players.

1500
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:33,399
DOWN i do not have it.

1501
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,079
Speaker 3: Down, no, no, no it's not the. Pronunciation it's like

1502
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:36,840
which comes.

1503
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: First, oh that's WHY i do not know he was

1504
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,199
announced As wasn't he announced As?

1505
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 2: Yang?

1506
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, NO i think he was announced the other.

1507
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,119
Speaker 2: Way, Oh Yang. HANSON i don't.

1508
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 3: Remember the only thing that threw me was was The

1509
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,079
hanson part because that's A danish, Name SO i was,

1510
01:12:57,119 --> 01:13:00,279
like what, wait what that's THAT i.

1511
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:02,319
Speaker 1: Thought he was IN i thought it WAS i thought

1512
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:04,920
he was introduced as Young henson when they called his,

1513
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:07,279
Name BUT i NOW i can't. Remember i'm. Misremembering if

1514
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:10,279
anyone in the chat wants to remind us how he was,

1515
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:12,039
announced we will greatly appreciate it.

1516
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,520
Speaker 3: REGARDLESS i, mean, look there is there is absolutely something

1517
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:22,279
interesting with a team that's unpredictable because it means they're

1518
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:26,079
probably not just being unpredictable for the. Fans it also

1519
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:29,479
means that there are twenty nine other front offices that

1520
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,319
have no idea what the fuck they're doing in terms

1521
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:36,439
of like trying to gauge where The blazer's, going and

1522
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,920
they'll just swing on something that's just not. Expected so

1523
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:44,079
if you call them, up you're, LIKE i don't even

1524
01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:45,640
know what to offer them BECAUSE i have no idea

1525
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,640
what the direction, is and that's going to put The

1526
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,199
blazers out of an. Advantage so it's. Interesting i'm right

1527
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,159
there with. You good call on part of, you grand not, SURPRISINGLY.

1528
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: I thought you said surprisingly at. First, no let's get

1529
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,600
into The. Utah, yeah who As bailey most definitely wants

1530
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,640
to play, for reportedly as he should quite, frankly but

1531
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:09,800
neither here nor. There what's your question for?

1532
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 3: Them, oh, well let's just get this out away. First

1533
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:18,079
uta is not a bad. DESTINATION i, mean, Look Salt

1534
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:21,279
Lake city is. Gorgeous i've been, there as many people

1535
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:23,399
have alluded. To it's only like a thirty minute flight

1536
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:28,800
from From. Vegas most players love it. There like initially they're, like, Oh,

1537
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:32,960
Utah Salt Lake, city and they get, there they find

1538
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,239
out that it's pretty low, key like they can walk

1539
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:38,520
the streets without getting too. Bothered and like again The vecus,

1540
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,159
POINT i JUST i don't want to but that, way.

1541
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:44,520
Speaker 1: The basketball, situation if he wants to be a, star

1542
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:47,880
this is. Perfect like, yeah, Okay brooklyn would have been fine,

1543
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,600
Too but like DID i just he they've already walked it.

1544
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,800
BACK i was never, worried COULD I, HONESTLY i give

1545
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,319
the front office kudos here for not backing off as

1546
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:58,640
he tried the, Same so shout out to. THEM i

1547
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:02,079
think he'll happy. There LIKE i JUST i think with

1548
01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:04,399
the role they can forget about the off court. Stuff,

1549
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,199
YEAH i agree with like the proximity To, Vegas california even,

1550
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:10,600
sure BUT i think the basketball situation is going to

1551
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,279
be awesome for. Him there's no guard on the team

1552
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:16,720
that needs to really dominate the. Ball that was my.

1553
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,079
Question i'm Gonna i'm gonna hijack and go first here

1554
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:19,680
like a four.

1555
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: One, absolutely do you think.

1556
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: Because they Have Sexton, Clarkson Isaiah, Collier, Keante George collier's

1557
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,039
the closest of any of them that comes to like

1558
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:34,199
a floor general, type, Correct like that's Not george or clarks.

1559
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:36,439
Intersexton those guys are not being too.

1560
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 2: Optimistic IF i bring, in you, Know Walter Clayton.

1561
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: Junior, HERE i guess you. Could that's. Fair but do

1562
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,079
you would you support or do you think that they

1563
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,239
should go out and maybe get a veteran who you

1564
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:50,399
know is going to seek like and try and find

1565
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,479
and it's not someone go out and spend all this

1566
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,680
money or give up all these first round, picks but

1567
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,119
get more of an experienced game manager in there to

1568
01:15:57,239 --> 01:15:59,720
ensure that when, yeah you Want Ace bailey to self,

1569
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,479
create run pick and rolls and beat the engine of

1570
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,319
the offense for, points but also to get him the

1571
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:07,119
ball in the right spots and in spots that makes

1572
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:08,079
it easier for him to.

1573
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:11,039
Speaker 3: Score what you're really asking me is DO i take

1574
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:13,720
a free agent meeting with a point guard AND i

1575
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,800
sit that guy down AND i tell, him, Look i'm

1576
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,680
gonna give you two million more on your contract if

1577
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,199
you agree to just spoon Feed Ace bailey throughout the

1578
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:27,279
next eighty two. Games that's what you're asking, Me and,

1579
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:29,960
YEAH i absolutely take that meeting with a point. Guard

1580
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,239
Dear Tias, jones would you consider?

1581
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely why WOULDN'T? I that's a smart.

1582
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 3: Play that's a real investment in a guy who has

1583
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,439
upside and where you help him along the way because

1584
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,039
he will need. HELP i know he's fancies himself Like tracy,

1585
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:48,279
McCrady but Even tracy McGrady needed.

1586
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 2: Help that's something that we need to.

1587
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:56,399
Speaker 3: Acknowledge my biggest question About Ace bailey, though when it

1588
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:01,800
comes to, this is is it always the best way

1589
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,560
to develop talent if the guy just gets the green

1590
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,399
light and if everyone around him is sort of tailored

1591
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,960
towards you, know give this guy the. Ball is this

1592
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:16,520
always the right way to develop in the most optimal,

1593
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:21,960
sense or do you need to lay within a certain

1594
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,239
set of boundaries to become a truly impactful.

1595
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: PLAYER i would probably tilt more towards the, latter especially

1596
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,119
when starting, out and especially for certain like if he

1597
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,119
was you, know if If LaMelo, Ball Dylan, harper if

1598
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:40,159
he was on this, team yes you give him the

1599
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,600
ball and say run the. Show but because that's not

1600
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,239
really As bailey's, Game so there's a certain archetype WHERE

1601
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:47,560
i think it changes as. Well SO i would be

1602
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,920
with you, There and IT'S i mean Like utah has

1603
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,680
like they have the full mid. Level they could go

1604
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,359
to A Tias jones and say we will give you the.

1605
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:56,920
One if no one's giving you the full mid, level

1606
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,720
we Will and we just want someone to come in

1607
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,239
here and just be an, organizer like.

1608
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the contract of your game has to

1609
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,119
go to Ace by.

1610
01:18:07,159 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: Right like, so or there's incentives for how many assists

1611
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,359
you have To Ace bailey on the.

1612
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 2: Season we're gonna track.

1613
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 3: You we're gonna track your, passes like, so at least

1614
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:19,800
has to go to.

1615
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: ACE i guess the danger in thinking like, that, though

1616
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,239
would be, okay well are you cutting, into uh the

1617
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:29,359
development Of Kante george Or Isaiah. Collier and to my

1618
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,439
response there would be, like, well you could also move

1619
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,680
off of or lower the playing time Of, Collin sexton Or,

1620
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,439
clarkson because those are not players who factor into your

1621
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,399
bigger picture. Anyway someone like that also helps Out Lowry,

1622
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,600
marketen who had a precipitous drop in his own efficiency last.

1623
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: YEAR i have a question about your your first point

1624
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,159
there is it time to Move Keyante george back to

1625
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:54,079
the two or do you still want to go through

1626
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:57,600
the experiment of churning him into a. One and before

1627
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,600
you you, ANSWER i Like it's something THAT i still

1628
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,640
not have made like a decision on in my own

1629
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,079
head in terms of WHAT i, want BECAUSE i do

1630
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,800
think he's gained a lot from being so much on the.

1631
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,119
Ball like, remember he came into the league as primarily

1632
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:15,199
an inefficient, two and for him to like get the

1633
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,159
reps at the point guard, POSITION i think has been

1634
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,760
greatly beneficial for. Him do you think it would behoove

1635
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,439
him to like remain in that role or should we

1636
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,600
get back to like unleashing.

1637
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: To him a little.

1638
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: Bit if you're going to continue to bring him off the,

1639
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,239
BENCH i think that's probably. Fine otherwise it might be

1640
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:35,319
interesting to see him play off another for general, type.

1641
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 3: Right, yeah just as a combo you. THINK i don't hate?

1642
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,039
Speaker 1: That, yeah BUT i mean, again what does that do

1643
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:44,159
With Isaiah? Collier like that's but, AGAIN i don't think

1644
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:46,000
any of these guys are good enough to where you

1645
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:49,079
trip yourself up thinking like the priority to, Me i'm

1646
01:19:49,079 --> 01:19:52,760
not saying put his competitive livelihood over everybody else on the,

1647
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,279
team but like the priority the guy In utah As

1648
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:56,279
bailey right?

1649
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: Now so assuming he plays, there, YEAH i think he.

1650
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,039
Speaker 1: Will i'd be shocked if he. Doesn't there was already

1651
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:03,800
reports that he was going to show up By.

1652
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: Monday So, i'm, oh, look it's not. HIM i question.

1653
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,600
FRONT i don't know how much you read about his

1654
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:09,720
post AGENT i.

1655
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,359
Speaker 1: DID i just it just gets to a point where, you,

1656
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,960
like not even the MOST i don't, know like ignorant

1657
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,199
person in the world can like keep him like from not.

1658
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:24,119
Reporting it just. Doesn't you have no leverage, Here like

1659
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:25,640
there's no real leverage, here.

1660
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 3: RIGHT i JUST i just hope he gets. Better guidance

1661
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:32,119
is probably the right word for.

1662
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:34,039
Speaker 1: Sure so AND i think also that's the thing that

1663
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:37,479
People i've probably missed throughout all this is maybe there

1664
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,079
are some actual red flags with his responses or whatever

1665
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:43,000
at the combine or in, interviews but he's not the

1666
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,159
one shooting down all like this is his. Representation he

1667
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:48,640
even kind of said it that drafting like he's, LIKE

1668
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,079
i focus on, basketball And i'm sure he's like he's

1669
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:53,840
he is an, adult he's a young, adult but like

1670
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,520
he's complicit to an, extent but like you kind of forget.

1671
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,279
That it's not, like, no he's being he's being steered,

1672
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:02,479
incorrectly and hopefully that will change in the near. Future

1673
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,520
AND i think him reporting By, monday as it seems

1674
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,760
like he will will show that that's you, know at

1675
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,720
least happening to some.

1676
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 3: Extent fingers crossed because like, YOU i want a happy

1677
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,560
ending on this, one for.

1678
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Sure what's your question For?

1679
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: Utah what should they do ABOUT lori marking at this?

1680
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:24,079
POINT i, mean, look they did the renegotiating. Extent he's

1681
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,199
what's the word, here like? Overpaid, yes but he's not

1682
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,880
a contract Where i'm, Like i'm so nervous THAT i

1683
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:37,199
THAT i won't get you, know a significant chunk of. Production,

1684
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:40,159
like he's not some type of debt contract. Here AND

1685
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:45,319
i think sometimes those are the most difficult contracts to, gauge, Right,

1686
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,600
like you have a productive, player you have someone who

1687
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,720
can give you twenty twenty, two twenty three points per,

1688
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,079
game he'll give you eight, rebounds he'll give you quality.

1689
01:21:54,119 --> 01:21:59,000
Shooting but he's overpaid by probably around five to tell

1690
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:04,960
me a million. Annually those contracts are so difficult because

1691
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,119
if you're The jazz when you shop, him obviously you're

1692
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:12,000
not interested in relinquishing additional assets to get off that.

1693
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:15,159
Contract but if you're the receiving, team you're also looking

1694
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:18,720
at it, going, Yeah i'm not gonna be relinquishing a

1695
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,960
lot of contracts or, sorry a lot of assets to

1696
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:26,079
take on a player who's probably. Overpaid how the hell

1697
01:22:26,119 --> 01:22:28,520
do they get out of this situation if they're even

1698
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,319
interested in doing.

1699
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:33,159
Speaker 1: SO i, HONESTLY i feel like the answer is pretty,

1700
01:22:33,159 --> 01:22:36,319
straightforward and it's you hope that he plays better this,

1701
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,720
season and then you can recalibrate either at the trade

1702
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,600
deadline or next offseason based off where you are and

1703
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,479
where you're headed as a. Team and then if he,

1704
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,960
doesn't LIKE i just, don't you can keep holding onto

1705
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,800
him at that because it's you're not trying to contend right.

1706
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Now that money has to go, somewhere and you know,

1707
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,760
what the best version Of larry marketing looks. LIKE i

1708
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,319
don't really. Subscribe i'm not saying you do. EITHER i

1709
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,039
don't subscribe to the idea that you have to move

1710
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:04,359
him like Where i've seen be, like, oh if you

1711
01:23:04,399 --> 01:23:06,600
just get two first round picks or him Go LIKE

1712
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,239
i guess that The pelicans are offering unprotected, first let's

1713
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:11,640
have a conversation if they're just throwing those around on the,

1714
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,319
market but they're, not like unless The jazz are trying

1715
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:18,720
to hit the accelerate acceleration, button and even they are

1716
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,760
Like Larry market would be pretty important in doing. That,

1717
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:24,520
Actually SO i don't think they should move him because

1718
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:28,319
he doesn't hurt your rebuild like he's he's like this

1719
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,399
perimeter play finisher, basically like you don't want him creating

1720
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:35,399
his own shots and his value it's not add its inn,

1721
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:37,840
Adear but it might be just because of the, Contract

1722
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,640
and so why would you move him when it's not

1723
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,039
after near it's peak or higher than it is?

1724
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 3: Now, Right AND i guess you're right in terms of

1725
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:50,119
if he just does not return to like his usual

1726
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:55,960
standard twenty three twenty five points efficient, offense you can

1727
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,199
sort of live with that, contract like you don't really

1728
01:23:58,199 --> 01:23:59,760
have a whole lot of players that you need to,

1729
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:04,119
take Like John. COLLINS i actually Like John collins quite a,

1730
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:07,279
bit but he's he's not long for this. Roster i'm

1731
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,479
guessing that they're gonna try to pump up his value as,

1732
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,920
well and then at the trade to line if someone

1733
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,840
needs a big man who can, produce that's someone who

1734
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,600
a receiving team can potentially take, in and then you

1735
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,479
resign next summer at a at a lesser, deal Perhaps

1736
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:27,520
Colin sexton probably the same. Thing AM i worried About

1737
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,119
Jordan clarkson? Whatsoever probably not that you.

1738
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,520
Speaker 1: Know that's The Colin sexton is a good sort of

1739
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,079
inverse Of Larry, market and that's the player you look at,

1740
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:37,960
now he's in the final year of his. Contract you

1741
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,399
really don't have business extending him or bringing him. Back

1742
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,279
that's the. Player If utah needed Hat, earncy he's, Like,

1743
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:45,760
okay we need to move him or just be prepared

1744
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,439
to let him leave for. Nothing Larry market and it's just,

1745
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,720
yeah if a team comes and bowls you over with an,

1746
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,720
offer he's absolutely not. UNTOUCHABLE i Just i've seen a

1747
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,000
lot of, like well they should just move him for

1748
01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:56,880
what he could get, now because that deal looks so. Bad,

1749
01:24:57,239 --> 01:24:59,960
one there's NO i don't think it's as terrible as people. Think.

1750
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,439
Two if it is, bad what is it Preventing utah

1751
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,319
from doing right? Now like this is a problem three

1752
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,560
years into the future most, likely at which point he

1753
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,920
will be an expiring, contract and it's not a problem at.

1754
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 3: All if he comes to The jazz and, says, LOOK

1755
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,479
i want to go on to a competing, TEAM i

1756
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,760
want out of, here then that situation becomes extremely.

1757
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 2: Interesting it.

1758
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't it doesn't BECAUSE i sit there and, say you

1759
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,000
got renegotiated and extended because we were buying your silence

1760
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:30,279
or your patients for at least two. Years, LIKE i

1761
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:32,640
just don't think if he tries to play that card

1762
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,680
before next, summer and even, then it's just they paid

1763
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,039
you when they didn't have to have and it's like

1764
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:40,159
he earned. It don't get me, wrong but like that

1765
01:25:40,199 --> 01:25:44,560
renegotiate and extend it just felt so not like a team.

1766
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,279
RUN i know he's not doing the day to day,

1767
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:48,239
stuff but that did not feel like A Danny inge

1768
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,319
led team at. All it was we're buying your we're

1769
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:55,199
buying your, patients or you're. Silent so it would get

1770
01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:56,960
interesting if he does, that BUT i. Don't If i'm,

1771
01:25:57,039 --> 01:25:59,640
Utah i'm, like, sure you go find the team that's

1772
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,359
want to compensate us what we want for, you and

1773
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:02,760
then we'll.

1774
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 2: Talk oh, GOD i want that to. HAVE i want

1775
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:06,279
that to be the.

1776
01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: Conversation he comes in and sits at the, table he's

1777
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,399
sweating in a little bit and he's, like and then

1778
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,359
you're just the only answer he gets is, sure.

1779
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: Don't You and you Know, honestly there's a chance that

1780
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,039
both ages kind of if he does, that they might

1781
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:20,800
breathe a sigh of relief Because Austin ange, said we're

1782
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,319
not gonna manipulate, minutes and Then Danny ainge probably wants

1783
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:26,760
to take, anyway and so then he's gonna hold out

1784
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,119
or you're just gonna have to just like not dismiss,

1785
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,640
him but like not have him travel with the team

1786
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,840
or suspend him for conduct detrimental to the. Team it

1787
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,479
Doesn't this is, LIKE i don't think that's in marketing's

1788
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,279
we haven't seen anything like that. Happen but If i'm,

1789
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:42,760
utah there's just there's he could not pressure me. Enough

1790
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,920
he could go Full James harden And i'm, like, yeah

1791
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,359
like we're still in our, Rebuild like we're okay moving

1792
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,680
on without you because the losses come in the lottery

1793
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,119
odds go.

1794
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 3: Up he's, finished so this it's not gonna. Happen he's. Achievement, well, look.

1795
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,159
Speaker 1: He's like mort is saying he's, finished not he's. Finished

1796
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:00,039
you want.

1797
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,119
Speaker 3: To correct very much, Correct like he didn't like being

1798
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:06,159
into the bulls and he was very close to you,

1799
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:10,439
know asking, Out but it's knowing him and knowing him

1800
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,319
like the nationality is probably like the most polite trade

1801
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,159
request of all. Time like he comes in cap in,

1802
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:20,399
hand like, SIR i would really, Appreciate like he's not

1803
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,199
gonna come in and slam his fist on the.

1804
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:25,039
Speaker 2: TABLE i don't, Know it's just it's a weird.

1805
01:27:25,079 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 3: SITUATION i think because he's also twenty, eight so he's

1806
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,119
like in the prime of his. CAREER i do think

1807
01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:35,960
you laid out the most likely scenario that he plays

1808
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,600
his balls, off that he rehabs his, value and then

1809
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,399
that the trade that line in twenty twenty. Six that's

1810
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,640
when you kind of, reconvene you talk about, this you

1811
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:46,159
figure out what, works what doesn't.

1812
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Work perhaps there's a trade.

1813
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Here is there a team though that as of right

1814
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,720
now or even leading into the trade, down let's say

1815
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,439
that you would want to see like given all like

1816
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,039
it has to be a real offer for years out

1817
01:27:57,079 --> 01:27:59,479
of consider is there a team that if lowry marketing

1818
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,720
trades back is going to become a thing that you

1819
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,439
have a team sort of circled as. Well that's like

1820
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:04,520
a Team i'm going to keep an eye.

1821
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: On we brought up The blazers as a potential destination.

1822
01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:12,399
BEFORE i actually don't hate, that BUT i don't think

1823
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,920
there are a lot of teams that are necessarily in you,

1824
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,479
know the lori marketing archetype business. Anymore we're talking about

1825
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,680
how size has returned to THE. Nba great, Theoretically laurie

1826
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,159
counts as, that but does he really because that size

1827
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:34,439
comes with a certain level of expectation, defensively rebounding, wise

1828
01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:37,560
like he'll give you the, scoring he'll give you the floor.

1829
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,720
Spacing is he someone who wants starting at the three full?

1830
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:42,079
Speaker 2: Time?

1831
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: PERSONALLY i don't think. That it's not Something i'm like

1832
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:50,279
a big fan, of at least not. Yet it's he's

1833
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:52,479
a weird. Archetype it's kind of What i'm. Saying he's

1834
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,239
not someone who's easy to build something, Around like he

1835
01:28:55,279 --> 01:28:57,560
has to come in and be sort of a complimentary,

1836
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,720
player but a complementary player at forty six.

1837
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 1: Million, yeah that's that you need him to fit into

1838
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,399
your salary. Structures you. Know, NO i would, say no

1839
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,640
better than your second best, player and even that could

1840
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,439
technically be a. Stretch you might want to be more

1841
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:16,039
like your Third oh, wow but that would be so

1842
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:19,840
It's Michael Porter JUNIOR i Guess Peyton watson and then

1843
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:21,800
a first round pick and a? Swap is that? Enough,

1844
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,319
like and there's other money included in? There is that?

1845
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,960
ENOUGH i don't know if that's, Enough, LIKE i just.

1846
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,800
DON'T i don't know if they have the For utah

1847
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:36,039
to bite For marketing's value right? Now MAYBE i can't

1848
01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:37,560
See utah accepting that.

1849
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Offer what About?

1850
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:45,199
Speaker 1: Detroit maybe get a flyer On jade And ivy picks

1851
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,279
And Tobias harris is? Expiring why is?

1852
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,319
Speaker 3: So why are so many people interested in breaking up

1853
01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:55,840
the Kid jaden things so? Soon when when they've been

1854
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,840
like interchangeably, injured not really played a whole lot.

1855
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 1: TOGETHER i don't think there are minutes together have been

1856
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,239
all that. EFFECT i Think jay And ivy got, BETTER

1857
01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:04,159
i just. DON'T i don't think it's the right fit

1858
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:04,560
for the.

1859
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,039
Speaker 3: Roster we haven't seen them, like we haven't seen them

1860
01:30:07,079 --> 01:30:10,199
together long term with this version Of. Kate Though kate

1861
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:12,479
got so much better this, year we saw only thirty

1862
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:12,960
games out Of.

1863
01:30:13,039 --> 01:30:16,319
Speaker 1: Jane i'm not saying you should actively be looking to

1864
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:18,960
move j And ivy for, anything but If Larry marketin's

1865
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,960
on the, TABLE i would Contu je And ivy, YEAH.

1866
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,039
Speaker 3: I probably, wouldn't but, AGAIN I jade is one of my,

1867
01:30:27,119 --> 01:30:30,159
Guys like he's one of those players WHO i, like you,

1868
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:37,479
know he's he's My Tumani. Kamara that's interesting.

1869
01:30:37,239 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: Because Tomani kamara has like been really good, though is the?

1870
01:30:40,039 --> 01:30:46,960
Difference do you want to talk Some Messaiau Jerry Toronto

1871
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:47,600
raptors really?

1872
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:52,239
Speaker 3: Quickly, yeah, YEAH i mean you have the graphic up

1873
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:55,960
so Like i'm pretty much forced to right awkward IF

1874
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:56,560
i said, no.

1875
01:30:57,119 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: He's out In, toronto it clearly wasn't. MUTE i know

1876
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,439
The raptors tried to frame it as that it feels

1877
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:06,279
more like a cost slash power thing from MLS's. Play

1878
01:31:06,359 --> 01:31:09,039
they'll they'll raise the ticket. Prices they'll raise don't they

1879
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:11,159
have like in charge of cable or whatever and kind

1880
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:15,039
of they'll raise those prices but trim the operating costs for.

1881
01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:17,560
Them what do you read into?

1882
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:23,520
Speaker 3: This, well first, thing, first let's just let's get the

1883
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,199
optics out of the way, First, right he was always

1884
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,000
on his last legs for for, like this is something

1885
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,119
we've heard about for a, While like he was he

1886
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:34,520
was on the hot. Seat that's been a that's been

1887
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,560
a thing for what a, year maybe even longer. Now

1888
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:43,359
so this is this isn't surprising. Whatsoever but for The

1889
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,439
raptors to do this a day after the completion of the,

1890
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,399
draft that is just it's it's the optics are.

1891
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,119
Speaker 1: Funny it's not everyone's going to be, like, oh it's

1892
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,960
because he Took Colin Murray boyles and it's just that's

1893
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,039
not how this worked for, Sure but it's just the

1894
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:01,239
Op you're, right they ope themselves up to, that you,

1895
01:32:01,279 --> 01:32:02,800
know those those types of optics.

1896
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 3: Exactly it Was Bobby webster making these, decisions Not. Messiah

1897
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,680
So i'm just looking at this, going you know, what

1898
01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:14,319
why put this on? Yourself, like because this is going

1899
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:15,600
to be a story for at least a couple of

1900
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,159
years where people talk, about remember how you did did?

1901
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:19,399
Speaker 2: This and this was totally.

1902
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:24,159
Speaker 3: Avoidable it's just sometimes IN ba, organizations they just they

1903
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:27,600
make the most, obvious dumb ass mistakes and you just

1904
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,159
kind of sit there and, go how do you not

1905
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,800
how do you not read the tea leaves on this?

1906
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,399
One but my overarching point here is this was not a.

1907
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,159
Shock so what you're really asking me here is, like

1908
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:40,159
what DO i make of this? SITUATION i make of

1909
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:40,760
it that there was.

1910
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: INEVITABLE i, mean it's these types of things are always

1911
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,119
inevitable if you want to go down that. ROAD i just,

1912
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:53,279
don't you, know the the comments made during the press

1913
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:55,880
or after the, fact we're just sort of uninspiring and

1914
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,079
it kind Of Katie heindel had like kind of provided her,

1915
01:32:59,159 --> 01:33:01,920
thoughts AND i thought they WHERE i thought they were

1916
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,079
spot on where it kind of feels like they just

1917
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:07,079
made this change for change's sake and that they don't

1918
01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:08,920
have a plan in. Place that's not to say you

1919
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,119
need to have another name lined. UP i got myself

1920
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:13,760
into trouble saying, that AND i was wrong about The

1921
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,920
nick's head coaching. SEARCH i walked it. BACK i was,

1922
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:17,319
LIKE i don't know WHAT i was. Thinking that was ill.

1923
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:20,600
Conceived it doesn't seem like they have a vision for

1924
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,119
what like and it's just too the optics are. Bad

1925
01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:25,920
of the timing around, it, like now what are you?

1926
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,680
Doing they brought UP i think unprompted to luxury taxes

1927
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,520
like a no no for this, team which is that's

1928
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,880
kind of. Troubling so are you still like trying to

1929
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:37,159
accelerate the? Timeline is it to we expect Like brandon

1930
01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:39,079
ingram to all of a sudden beyond the trade market.

1931
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,960
NOW i just there was like a sentiment out there

1932
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,239
that Maybe yakapurta would get an. Extension is he now

1933
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:46,640
on the chopping? BLOCK i think this sends they were

1934
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,399
already pretty, confusing And messiah of course And Bobby webs

1935
01:33:49,399 --> 01:33:51,399
are all out of hand in, that but there was

1936
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,720
like it felt what they were trying to do was,

1937
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,720
clear was that they were trying to make a take

1938
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,720
a big step forward this, season and did they have

1939
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,600
the right pieces in place to do that, debatable of.

1940
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,279
Course it just feels like there was a level OF

1941
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,079
i don't, KNOW i can't really describe, it but what

1942
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:14,479
they have right now just feel so, Empty like after

1943
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,079
just reading those comments from the press conference Is i'm

1944
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:18,960
not saying you need to have a replacement lined, up

1945
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,760
but it just doesn't feel like this team has a.

1946
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,840
Vision and when you are this, expensive they're not prohibitively,

1947
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,039
expensive but when you have so many guys who are

1948
01:34:27,319 --> 01:34:29,880
kind of in their, primes you're not. Yet Scottie barnes

1949
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,520
is still, developing but all the other core players on

1950
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,800
this team AND. Rj, Barrett, A brandon Ingram, A yaka

1951
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,640
pertle like they're in E manuel, quickly like they're entering

1952
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,359
or they're in or they're exiting their. Prime so it's

1953
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,600
JUST i DON'T i GUESS i Know massias caught a

1954
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,760
lot of, shit just he is the lead. Executive and

1955
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,560
so even if it Was Bobby webster making the Og

1956
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,960
annobi And Pascal siakham, trades it's you're, like you're gonna

1957
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,399
be the fall guy if you don't think those worked.

1958
01:34:55,399 --> 01:34:58,680
Out but it almost felt like it was a mandate

1959
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:01,880
that they needed to get, better like the Og annobi returned,

1960
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,840
specifically and, yeah they maybe they waited too long to

1961
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,199
trade those, guys but just like they weren't working with

1962
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:12,159
the most ideal circumstances after their twenty nineteen title, Either

1963
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:14,560
and So i'm just not as quick to be, like,

1964
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,640
oh LIKE messi was really fucking up here as a

1965
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,640
lot of other. People and maybe they were just certain

1966
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,439
like did he promise to Get Kevin durant or deliver

1967
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,600
a star by draft night or something and. DIDN'T i don't.

1968
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,840
Know i'm not saying that he has done the or

1969
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,199
that this front office has done the best, job BUT

1970
01:35:30,279 --> 01:35:34,439
i think that they have been, creative taken opportunistic, swings

1971
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:36,880
AND i just DON'T i don't, KNOW i don't look

1972
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,279
at The raptor situation as necessarily aimless or. UNDESIRABLE i

1973
01:35:41,319 --> 01:35:44,000
certainly consider it a little bit aimless now though that

1974
01:35:44,079 --> 01:35:45,199
he's not in.

1975
01:35:45,319 --> 01:35:49,520
Speaker 3: Charge, YEAH i, MEAN i, HONESTLY i think he did

1976
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,239
fine for the most part in the last couple of.

1977
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:57,439
Years like The ingren, trade whether he made that or,

1978
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:58,600
not presumably he did.

1979
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,560
Speaker 1: Not that one was he had to give, it, okay

1980
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,880
like he's involved in are we? Trading are we giving

1981
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,760
him an? Extension it's just, YEAH i don't.

1982
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 3: THAT i didn't like so SO i. DO i think

1983
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:15,039
equality team president slash general manager what it's executive has

1984
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:18,119
now landed on the. MARKET i think there are at

1985
01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:21,560
least five teams in THE nba right now who should

1986
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,159
fire their lead executive and go like lock you try

1987
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:27,520
to lock him? Up, like, well probably lock him up

1988
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:31,159
and then fire your. Executive but, like are you going

1989
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:33,279
to tell me the rudder? List Chicago bulls couldn't use

1990
01:36:33,279 --> 01:36:37,159
someone like, him, absolutely The, pelicans even.

1991
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,119
Speaker 1: Though they, sorry, SIR i.

1992
01:36:40,079 --> 01:36:43,239
Speaker 3: Know, WELL i, KNOW i, mean just generally, speaking, right

1993
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,680
he would be an upgrade on on several.

1994
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,359
Speaker 1: TEAMS i would fire The knicks front office right now

1995
01:36:49,399 --> 01:36:51,319
and put Messire, jerry and The knick front office hasn't

1996
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:53,640
even done a bad. Job like that's my opinion Of Messiah.

1997
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,239
Speaker 2: JERRY i, think, yeah.

1998
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Same by the, way would it be the most weird

1999
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:06,159
acquisition and like timeline of a player? Ever If Brandon

2000
01:37:06,319 --> 01:37:08,600
ingram is traded this summer having never suited up with

2001
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,560
The raptors and yet still got an, extension you, know that'd.

2002
01:37:12,279 --> 01:37:16,399
Speaker 1: Be Simp it would be similar to not exactly because

2003
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:18,039
he did suit up for this, team but like what

2004
01:37:18,079 --> 01:37:20,640
The pacers did With Bruce brown when they flipped him

2005
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,680
in The. Pascal, see it would be, that except it

2006
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:24,600
just timed. It he was injured when they did, it

2007
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:25,800
so he never actually played for.

2008
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 3: Them but that's but like still, right we would look

2009
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,880
back back at A Brandon ingram career where he got

2010
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:36,479
a one hundred and twenty million dollar extension having never

2011
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,159
played for the team that actually signed him to it

2012
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,920
THAT i don't think that's ever happened IN nba. History

2013
01:37:43,079 --> 01:37:45,319
so now obviously BECAUSE i just laid it out like,

2014
01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:47,880
that NOW i wanted to happen just for the Sheer

2015
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:48,880
shenannigans of it.

2016
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,520
Speaker 1: ALL i, MEAN i would think it's on the table.

2017
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,039
NOW i honestly don't know what the direction here, Is,

2018
01:37:56,279 --> 01:37:59,640
like what is what WAS massi not doing that would

2019
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:03,600
would have compelled them to push him. Out it's like

2020
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,520
it just feels like a. Firing he had one year

2021
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,560
left on his. Deal they framed it as a mutual

2022
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,399
party of the. WAYS i really don't think that's what it.

2023
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:13,560
WAS i just So i'm just. Curious it's, like, so

2024
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,279
what were you looking? For did you want to get?

2025
01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:17,920
Cheaper did you want to be? Rebuilding and if and

2026
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,560
if you wanted to get cheaper or, rebuilding you let

2027
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,000
this let's call, it let's just loop it the front office.

2028
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,640
Somewhere you let them like make too many moves then

2029
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,159
like it should have been you should have, intervened AND

2030
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:30,239
i wouldn't have supported, it so to. Speak but this

2031
01:38:30,399 --> 01:38:34,000
just feels for the point that they're, at it feels unnecessarily.

2032
01:38:34,119 --> 01:38:36,960
Meddlesome and if if it really cames down to he

2033
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,520
wanted too much power or money in his next, DEAL

2034
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,239
i don't know if that's more or less understandable quite quite.

2035
01:38:43,279 --> 01:38:48,279
Speaker 2: Frankly and the worst part is you AND i were.

2036
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 3: Both we love Culinary, boyles if memory serves, RIGHT.

2037
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:56,119
Speaker 1: I don't love him on this, team but, yes we love.

2038
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Calmra that's the THING i wrote about this Over yahoo as.

2039
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,399
WELL i said a lot of the player that might

2040
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,640
AND i THINK i pecked this dude as just, being you,

2041
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:09,479
know plug and play virtually. Everywhere the virtually did a

2042
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,720
lot of heavy lifting there because now he's On toronto

2043
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,880
and that's like the worst possible, situation because where are

2044
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:19,039
those minutes gonna come? By Like Brandon ingram is not

2045
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:21,199
a natural, Too let's just be. Real he's more of

2046
01:39:21,239 --> 01:39:21,680
a three to.

2047
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 2: Four. Oh the same is true About Scotty. BARNES.

2048
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 3: Rj barrett tried the two In New, york didn't really

2049
01:39:28,119 --> 01:39:30,840
set the world on, fire became like a fully fletched

2050
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,520
forward with the with the, raptures started expanding his game

2051
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,199
all of a. Sudden so you know, what he's a

2052
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,600
three to four to. Two so you have three guys

2053
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,720
all playing like small forward power. Forward you can try

2054
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,800
to get away with Playing colin More boyles as a

2055
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,439
small ball center here and, there but like presumably or preferably,

2056
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,960
rather you want him playing the. Four where are those

2057
01:39:52,079 --> 01:39:54,920
minutes gonna come. By if they're already taken By, Barnes

2058
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:59,600
ingram And, barrett it's, just, yeah something's got to give.

2059
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:03,520
HERE i don't think they are interested in pivoting off

2060
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:06,119
Brandon ingram BECAUSE i think the optics of doing that

2061
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:08,119
when he's never suited up for him is super.

2062
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,520
Speaker 2: Bad SO i think J barrett.

2063
01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:12,399
Speaker 1: Isn't a relative to what they gave up, For like

2064
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:13,159
what if.

2065
01:40:13,359 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Oh, sorry go, Ahead no, no, NO i, LOOK i agree with,

2066
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,399
YOU i like for, us for, Us sikos would be,

2067
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:19,600
like that's the smart thing to.

2068
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,119
Speaker 2: Do the casual. Fan trying to sell this to the casual.

2069
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Fan they, okay but do they care about optics when

2070
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,199
they just got rid Of Messiah jerry the day after the.

2071
01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Draft there are two answers to.

2072
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 3: That maybe they are well aware of that and just

2073
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,239
went fuck it and did it, Anyway so maybe.

2074
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,119
Speaker 2: NOT i, MEAN i don't.

2075
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 3: Know i'm just LIKE i WOULD i would Trade Brandon ingram,

2076
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,720
Too But i'm guessing that they're trying to find a

2077
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:44,720
middle ground With Archie.

2078
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 2: Barry.

2079
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm not even advocating for them to trade anyone.

2080
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,359
NECESSARILY i just think that this is they didn't even

2081
01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:53,119
really give whatever vision this front office was trying to

2082
01:40:53,159 --> 01:40:55,760
put in place a chance to fully play, out which

2083
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,319
is why this decision to me IS i think it's

2084
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:00,439
curious and is also, concerning But i'll have to see

2085
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what happens from. Here and there are another similar with The.

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the bigger wild cards of the. Offseason mort you got

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anything else or can you tell our, listeners, watchers subscribers

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Speaker 1: Peter until next, time and as, always we with the

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shout out to the one the only well plug here

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when we'll be back On saturday to do the what's

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the final division we Have, central so we'll get to

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talk about The bulls and The bucks and other teams

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in The, central which also include The. Pacers sad, face

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that's kind of a bummer until next, time so come

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check us out. Then but until next, time and as,

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only the. Indelible he can fix every single issue In

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toronto if they just sign him and give him the

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keys as both the player and lead executive to the.

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