WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.879 Make sure that I get it right. It's ruly to 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:06.960 Shara to share Teshierra. 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:13.759 It's a Allen on the screen. But whatever, yeah, all right, changed. 4 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:18.800 That one, and then we welcome back to the podcast. 5 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:24.879 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask 6 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.839 what you can do for your country. 7 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.399 Mister Garbaschoff, Tear down this wall. 8 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:35.320 It's the Ricochet Podcast with Charles C. W. Cook and 9 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.280 Stephen Hayward. I'm James Lillings. Today we talked to Luie, 10 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:40.439 to Shara, Liberal Patriot. 11 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:42.200 How did we get here? 12 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.719 Because the mainstream wing of the party is scared the death. 13 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:47.960 Of the Moon wing. 14 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:49.479 They won't speak. 15 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.600 Up and they don't stand for anything anymore. All they 16 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.880 stand for is whatever UH is against whatever President Trump 17 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:58.560 stands for. 18 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.320 This is I think typical of Trump the man. 19 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.560 This is the kind of character or lack thereof who's 20 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:06.319 now president. 21 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:10.480 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, episode number five hundred 22 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:14.560 and seventy four, Not just Kidding, seven hundred and fifty four. 23 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.799 Join us at ricochet dot com. You can be part 24 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.640 of the most stimulating conversations and community on the web. 25 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:22.280 It's the place you've been looking for ever since they 26 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.439 plugged this thing in. I'm James Lollox in Minneapolis, Cloudy Misty, 27 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.519 and I'm joined by Stephen Hayward in California and Charles C. W. 28 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:31.359 Cook in Florida. And as I say, we have the 29 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:37.000 entire country covered. Gentlemen, how are you good? Good? How 30 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:42.879 are you could be better? Last week I had absolutely 31 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.280 no opinion about cracker barrel whatsoever, and never been to one, 32 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.480 never never set foot in one, had no desire to 33 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.879 set foot in one. But now I've got an opinion 34 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.519 about cracker barrel. We'll get to that in a second. 35 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.280 Last week, I wasn't really thinking very much about over 36 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.319 the road truckers and exactly what problems some of them 37 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.519 may face. And now, of course, first and foremost in 38 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:06.480 my mind, both of these things are things that have 39 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.479 been bubbling around on Twitter for the last week and 40 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.759 have yet to really hit the news, but I think 41 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.680 they will now because Marco Rubio has made a statement 42 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.960 that the government is going to suspend all renovation of 43 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.000 the cracker Barrel restaurants. No, I'm sorry, he's going to 44 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.120 suspect they're going to suspend the people coming in to 45 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:28.599 get driver's licenses from other countries. CDLs, And I wonder 46 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.159 what you guys think about this, because what's interesting to 47 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:36.080 me about it is the speed with between this issue 48 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:42.319 surfacing and actual government action seems to be new but 49 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:45.719 also a defining characteristic of our age. Before we would 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.400 have a blue ribbon commission that would turn out a 51 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:51.919 white paper at the end of it, and recommendations would 52 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.840 be made and it would work its way through dot 53 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:57.080 and eventually there would be something and nothing would change. 54 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:58.560 But now it's sort of like, which. 55 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.439 I look, long haul truck driving, actually any truck driving, 56 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.400 but especially those longer haul the bigger trucks, which require 57 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.400 a different classification of license. That's not an easy job. 58 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.080 And you know, my brother was a teamster. He drove 59 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.479 one of those trucks for a while and he used 60 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:16.520 to say, and my perception when I drive out on 61 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.599 say a Interstate five in California, is that, you know, 62 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:22.639 there's a I'm not sure if it's the bell curve 63 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:24.560 for truck drivers is the right phrase for it, but 64 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.280 they are short of good qualified Almost every truck, especially 65 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.919 independent line or even the big chains like Hunt Brothers 66 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.439 or something. They'll have big banners on the truck saying 67 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.960 drivers wanted call one eight hundred, get paid right, and 68 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.479 a lot of those jobs pay six figures pretty fast. 69 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.240 For whatever reason. I think because it's a lonely job. 70 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.080 You know, you're away from your family. They're under a 71 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.840 lot of pressure to get your destination in time. On 72 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:52.680 the other hand, and now all have GPS widgets in them, 73 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.120 and so your maximum hours are capped, and so anyway, 74 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.319 I think it's kind of a miserable life. And I'll 75 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.520 bet that a lot of trucking comp and he's pick 76 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.159 a lot of people at the margins who are, shall 77 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.599 we say, if he drivers? And my observation is the 78 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.800 quality of truck drivers I see on the road. Some 79 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:09.919 of them it's not what I remember when I was 80 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.680 younger and putting in a lot of miles on the road. 81 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.360 But there's more of them. The other thing, if you 82 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.680 ever want to see, I should take a video sometime 83 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.639 if you take Interstate five out of Los Angeles north 84 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.399 up toward what we used to call the Grapevine, and 85 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.360 there's a couple of very steep hills, and the truck's 86 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.120 all bunch up there going up the hill at about 87 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.600 twenty five miles an hour in low gear and it's amazing. 88 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.279 And of course, you know, we know Long Beach is 89 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.600 one of the leading ports in America and a lot 90 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:36.639 of that ends up on trucks going all over the country. 91 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.879 But the truck traffic is just enormous these days. And 92 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.639 I've never looked for data to see how much it's grown, 93 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.839 but I'll bet it's been quite substantial in the last 94 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:45.920 twenty thirty years. 95 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.120 My father was a truck driver. I mean, he owned 96 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.160 the oil company gas business in Fargo, but he drove ry. 97 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.240 He loved to drive semi. He could find I mean, 98 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:55.160 he could climb into a cabin and look at that, 99 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.399 you know, sixteen years and he could find the right 100 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.319 one could he could back up up a double tanker 101 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.240 to a loading dock to get product filled. I mean, 102 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.720 it's just amazing. So I respect that. But at the 103 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:09.639 same time, one of his drivers had a diabetic episode 104 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.199 back in the day and actually started driving the wrong 105 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.680 way on the other side of the highway with oncoming 106 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.720 traffic with a full load of number two in the back. 107 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.040 Oh boy, that was a disaster reverted. So yeah, it's 108 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.600 always been a dangerous job, but it seems to be yes, 109 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.800 they aren't getting enough so we have more accidents. We 110 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.399 have more guys who are going down hills just jamming 111 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.079 on the brakes and sitting letting the engine throttle. At Charles, 112 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.160 we would have to ask you about your opinion about 113 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.800 LORI drivers, wouldn't we You would? 114 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:37.959 You would? Do you know? 115 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.560 I actually said that word on my trip to Pigeon Ford's, Tennessee, 116 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.959 and my wife said, don't say Laurie like that. Normally 117 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.680 she likes my accent and linguistic foibles, but this time 118 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.759 I think that one was not attractive, so she said, 119 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:56.040 don't say Laurie. Don't But I did say Laurie anyhow. Yes, 120 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:01.199 this story which happened in Florida is horrible. A family 121 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:07.040 was wiped out. I think there are some obvious government 122 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:13.759 interests here. One of the problems, beyond truck driving proficiency, 123 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:14.519 about which I. 124 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:19.120 Know very little, is English speaking. 125 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.439 That is the complaint that I have heard from people 126 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:25.720 over the last three or four years. 127 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:27.959 It's always pooh poohed. 128 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.720 I submit that it won't be from now on, but 129 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.240 I've heard it said over and over again that we 130 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:35.639 have a big problem in America because there are a 131 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.040 bunch of illegal immigrants who do not speak English who 132 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.439 drive trucks, and they can't read the signs on the road, 133 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:48.639 and that's very important if you're expected to know where 134 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.959 the runoff lane is, or look at the gradient information, 135 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:57.839 or see where the way station is located. So I 136 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.480 do think that that's a problem. And I say this 137 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.800 having come fresh off speaking at a naturalization ceremony here 138 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.319 in Jacksonville yesterday. I was the featured speaker at the 139 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:08.680 big citizenship ceremony. 140 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:09.480 Was very moving. 141 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.160 But of course everyone who went through that and followed 142 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:17.720 the rules has to display a proficiency in English. And 143 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.519 there's a good reason that we have these expectations. So 144 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.639 I don't know enough about it to give you a 145 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.959 white paper answer, but I do think reformers in the cards, 146 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.759 because that was a horrible thing that happened, and it's 147 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:31.959 not something that came out of the blue. It's an 148 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.439 odd thing to have been told about, but I have 149 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.120 been told about this problem for years. People have brought 150 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.360 it up, and now we have this this tragedy. 151 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:43.360 Well, one of the things that came out of the 152 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.079 blue was the rating of John Bolton's house. John Bolton, 153 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:50.759 of course, a man who possesses the best, most accedence 154 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.879 in Wilford Brimley. I think he bought it from him, 155 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.160 actually or actually no, I think it's more he's up 156 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.199 there with the sam Eliot quality. In any case, Bolton 157 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:02.879 got rated. BI director Cosh Ptel said on Twitter, of course, 158 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.160 because that's what we say these things, is that no 159 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.920 one is above the law. I FBI agent's on the mission. 160 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.120 We're hearing that phrasing awful lot. Trump said, I don't 161 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:15.000 know anything about it. What's going on here? I have 162 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:15.800 no idea. 163 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.040 I don't know if it's some kind of payback by 164 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.959 some people in the Trump administration. We know that Biden 165 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:26.480 was sloppy about keeping documents, and you know Trump, like Lise, 166 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.839 you know, I know John a little bit. My office 167 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.120 was right next door to his at AEI way back when, 168 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:34.039 and he always. 169 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.440 Struck me as someone who's not sloppy. 170 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.399 I mean, he always had a neat desk, he was 171 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.320 always worth long hours, was always very precise about things. 172 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.759 So I'd be surprised if he was sloppy about keeping documents. 173 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:44.360 But I don't know. 174 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:46.559 I mean, who knows. I'll be curious to see if 175 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.120 we ever find the affidavit behind the warrant at some point. 176 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.879 His persistence in the national political theater is something of 177 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.559 a mystery to me. But I gather that he's getting 178 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.320 more currency lately because he's not exactly a fan Donald 179 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:05.240 Trump and Charles, what do you take of this? Is 180 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.519 this more authoritarian payback? Or is this as somebody said, well, look, 181 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.120 if you're going to take on the deep state in 182 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.480 all of its manifestations, doesn't hurt to go after people 183 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.440 in your own party first, just to show that it's 184 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.000 not partisan. Although although. 185 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.639 Wow, that one I'm not sold on. I don't think 186 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.039 Donald Trump thinks they're at the same party. Right, How 187 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.759 long have you got? This is a really complicated issue. 188 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:31.399 The answer is there is a Steelman case for this 189 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.240 which goes something like this, John Bolton did it. He 190 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.559 is not the president, therefore is not protected by his 191 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.200 ability to declassify information and all the Supreme Court case 192 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.279 Trump for the United States, we do and should prosecute 193 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.320 people who violate the rules surrounding classified information. 194 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:54.840 No one is above the law. That's the steel Man argument. 195 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.279 That might be completely irrelevant in this case because this 196 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:04.960 could be political payback. The worrying possibility is that the 197 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:10.159 Trump administration simply hates John Bolton is still smarting at 198 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:15.480 having been targeted by Joe Biden and wanted to make 199 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:21.919 somebody who doesn't like pay. The broader thought that I 200 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.559 have given that I don't know any more details than 201 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.360 you do, is that the original sin here was James 202 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.360 Comy's treatment of Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was guilty of 203 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.879 violating the law. Now I am open to the idea 204 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.120 that that is a bad and in some sense unconstitutional law, 205 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:46.159 the Wilson ere Espionage Act, and that it was not 206 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.600 in the public interest to prosecute her. But James Comy 207 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:54.080 found a loophole and he used it to let her 208 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.879 off the hook. And then that loophole was not applied 209 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:03.080 equally to everyone. Joe Biden got the advantage of it, 210 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.519 although there was another excuse with him. Donald Trump did not, 211 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:08.919 And I don't think you can run a country like this. 212 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.840 So when the Biden one broke, my view was you 213 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.759 can't touch Biden because you didn't touch Hillary. And when 214 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.639 the Trump one broke, my view was you can't touch 215 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.080 Trump because you didn't touch Biden and you didn't touch Hillary. 216 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.639 And I still hold that. 217 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:25.039 So if we are talking here about equal crimes alleged 218 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.279 crimes which I don't know. 219 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:29.559 Then my view will be the same here. 220 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.120 You can't touch Bolton because you didn't touch Trump, and 221 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.879 you didn't touch Biden, then you didn't touch Hillary. I 222 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.879 think James Comey did something really really bad. Was that 223 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:45.120 rather than try and establish a rule of prosecutorial discretion 224 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.240 that was broad and clear and could be applied to everyone, 225 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:50.399 he's simply made up the law. And when you make 226 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.519 up the law, you create really difficult scenarios for your successes. 227 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.600 And that could be what we're looking at here. So 228 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:59.960 I am, in a sense giving you a non answer, James, 229 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.519 I'm all the way from could be still manned, could 230 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.279 be complicated, or could be tyranny. 231 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.399 It's one of the three. There's more no touching in 232 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.360 that last thing. You said that in a Fargo Lutheran 233 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.519 church in nineteen SISO. So is there anything more to 234 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.519 say about this? Or should we move along to other things, 235 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:19.399 such as the Trump find being tossed half a billion? 236 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.120 Guess not well before we do that, James, or maybe after. 237 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:23.840 I don't care. 238 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.840 I thought Trump was going on a ride along with 239 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.240 a DC police or National Guard last time. I haven't 240 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.200 heard anything about it. I mean, my joke was Trump 241 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.159 has gone from just trolling the left to patrolling. 242 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.639 Against the left. Yeah, I know. I mean there was 243 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.440 an MSNBC or an ms NOW person who was saying 244 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.240 the other day that before he decided that he said 245 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:44.440 he was going to go on the right along. They 246 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.080 said that when it came to d C crime, Trump 247 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.759 thinks he's Batman. And I thought, that's not a very 248 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.759 good argument to make people like Batman. You want to 249 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.960 make the case that he thinks he's bane. That's something else. 250 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.759 But people kind of like a rich guy with lots 251 00:12:57.759 --> 00:12:59.639 of tools who goes around at night and keeps the 252 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.360 bad guy and drows them off roofs. Anyway, So should 253 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.080 the fine has been tossed? And what is that that that? 254 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.960 I mean, everyone is still going to call him a 255 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:13.080 fellon thirty four counts, et cetera. But now the fine's tossed. 256 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:17.399 Is that indicate that there might be success on the 257 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.360 appeal because it's still appealing. 258 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:21.559 Yeah, it looks to me like it's going to fall 259 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.000 apart like the Georgia case against him did. And I 260 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.279 don't know, I kind of expected this all along. The 261 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.440 one question is what took the court so long. The 262 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.039 New York Court of Appeals whatever their high court is called, 263 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.840 it usually works with great dispatch. 264 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:36.840 So and apparently it's a split ruling. 265 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.519 I haven't chased it down yet, but my guess is 266 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.639 this is the first big step to the whole thing 267 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:42.279 going away. 268 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.080 Well, speaking of going away, one of the things you 269 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.759 hate to have go away is your money. You know, 270 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.320 inflation takes it away, bat investments to take it away. 271 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.159 But listen to me about this. 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Responsoring this the Ricochet podcast, 304 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.159 at Ali, welcome back to the podcast. RUI to share 305 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.000 on He's a senior fellow with the American Enterprise Institute, 306 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.279 co founder and politics editor of the SUBSEAC newsletter The 307 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.879 Liberal Patriot. He was a founding fellow of the Center 308 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.519 of American Progress and co author The Emerging Democratic Majority 309 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.159 in two thousand and two. More recent publications have included 310 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:53.799 The Optimistic Leftist and Where have all the Democrats Gone? Welcome, well, 311 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.200 thank you, glad to be here. A lot of talk 312 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.200 this week about how the Democrats are losing some of 313 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.960 their customary support, that they are pulling horribly with young men. 314 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.480 As a matter of fact, there seems to be a 315 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.360 move from young men to the Republican Party. As somebody 316 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.360 else was pointing out this morning, that they got a 317 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.000 Karen problem, and they refuse to acknowledge it. Problem is 318 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.200 that Karen's are their base, and Karen's vote all the 319 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:20.919 rest of these things. So the change in their appeal 320 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.279 seems to have been rather size maicing, tectonic, and it 321 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.600 shifts due to a variety of reasons. So I'm gonna 322 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.279 ask you if indeed you see that big of a shift, 323 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.879 and if you do, if you share what the writer 324 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.600 of pinning as the reasons for it. Mainly a sense 325 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:40.159 of cultural disdain, looking down, being scolds and no fund 326 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.360 and all the rest of that stuff, right. 327 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.159 Right, Yeah, No, I do think they're in a bit 328 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:46.799 of a pickle. I mean, I think the data is 329 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.919 pretty clear in this. Obviously, we all know what happened 330 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.039 in twenty twenty four A and what so many Democrats 331 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.320 kidded themselves could never happen, That Trump would actually do 332 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.320 better in the selection they'd ever done before, and there 333 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:04.319 would be this shoe, these huge shifts among working class Hispanics, Hispanic. 334 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:05.359 Men, young men. 335 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:07.880 You know, there is even shifts among women who were 336 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.920 just smaller than among men. So it was generally an 337 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.119 all around, you know, clock cleaning by Trump. Since then, 338 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.680 we've seen Democrats fail to really break out. Despite all 339 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.720 the vulnerabilities that Trump is as evidence and a lot 340 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.720 of the things he's done, they just aren't very popular. 341 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.960 The overreach on a variety of different issues. People don't 342 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.359 have much faith in the economy, even despite the fact 343 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.880 they elected Trump to some extent to fix the economy. 344 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.039 None of that has elevated the Democrats, who have historically 345 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.440 low favorability ratings. They don't have much of a lead 346 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.839 in the generic congressional ballot when if you compare it 347 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.279 to twenty eighteen, they were already far ahead at this point. 348 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.759 And just for recently, of course. 349 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.480 There was this huge I mean, and people who follow 350 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.920 these data kind of knew a lot of the stuff. 351 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.039 Anyway, there's a big data, deep data dive in the. 352 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.839 New York Times about voter registration trends over the last 353 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.200 period of time, both up to twenty twenty four and 354 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.359 even since twenty twenty four, and it's all bad, bad, 355 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.000 bad news for the Democrats. I mean, they're just losing 356 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.559 ground everywhere to Republicans, particularly in important states. Somebody actually 357 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.519 crunched the data and looked at, for example, what's happening 358 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.200 with young men and young women. I was just looking 359 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.640 at this today, and among young women, those willing to 360 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:25.160 register as Democrats has declined only slightly. But among young 361 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.119 men it's just cratered. It's now under thirty percent, whereas 362 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.519 it was close to fifty percent not that long ago. 363 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.960 So so something's going on here, you know, it's Dylan said, 364 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:39.279 But you don't know what it is, do you, mister Democrat. 365 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.000 I think some of them suspect it, but I do 366 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:47.319 think that they're quite reluctant to really embrace it, understand it, 367 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.480 actually try to fix it. They think if they just 368 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.920 change the subject, or they turn up the volume in 369 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.559 economic issues, or they talk about abundance, so what have you, 370 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:55.599 this will do it. 371 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.319 And I do not think that's true. 372 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.480 I think the critique that they're culturally out of step 373 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.759 with the median working class voter and indeed the bulk 374 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.039 of the population is just true. I mean, that's true 375 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.240 in a variety of issues. You know it's true from 376 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.400 voting behavior. We know it's true from where they're losing ground. 377 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.640 I mean, this is a party whose national profile and 378 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.640 the people who run it and the people who are 379 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.319 associated with it are simply not the same type of 380 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.400 people who they want to vote for them. And they 381 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.640 have a series of cultural attitudes that in fact does 382 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:31.359 translate into disdain for the great unwashed of these United States. 383 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.279 And I think, you know, people aren't dumb. 384 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.440 They sense this, they know this, and they realize not 385 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.000 only was that true leading up to twenty twenty four, 386 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.079 and this is what I just wrote about on The 387 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.319 Liberal Patriot. There's not a lot of change since then, right, 388 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.279 I Mean, basically they've only backtracked very slightly. On some 389 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.799 issues where people have tried to break from the pack, 390 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.279 they've been immediately slapped down by the activists and other politicians. 391 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.119 And where the real action is in the Democratic Party 392 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.319 now is basically amping up your resistance cred And that's 393 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.440 why Gavin Newsom, the dreadful, dreadful Gavin Newsom, has actually 394 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.640 like broken out of the pack. 395 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.200 I mean, they've sent these poles mean anything at this point. 396 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.319 He's clearly benefited from his willingness to do anything and 397 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:18.119 say anything to maximize his resistance profile. So I think 398 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.319 that's what plays within the Democratic Party now, but I 399 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.319 think it's actually not what would play with the broad 400 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:27.160 electorate as we move, you know, toward twenty twenty eight 401 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.960