Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six one
hundred and thirty first episode. Harder than I thought that
was gonna be. I'm the clown Prince of Wolves. Trust
now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm mister juice stealing Less.
Speaker 3: Hello, my name is tile Field.
Speaker 1: There you go, lays showing well if you haven't guessed,
which maybe haven't by the nicknames, but probably certainly by
the title of this episode. Yes, we're here a review Beetlejuice,
beal Juice, which I've still not got accustomed to calling
it that. I just still say beal juice too. But
Eve when the credits rolled up, like right, this movie
is called beeld just beal Juice. But we are here
if you're curious, because we're not gonna talk about in
this episode what we thought about the original. We did
do a retro last week, so it's all there breaking
that down some triviu, so it was always fun to
go back. It was dil Muss's first time watching that,
so yeah, there's some good discussion there, lots of good
stuff on the feed, which we'll talk about a little
bit later. This isn't coming out that much earlier, but
for some people we got in early screening, so it's
coming out like a early so as usual, not anything's changed,
but we will make sure that the first bit is
completely spoiler free, no hint of a spoiler anywhere near
our mouth, our crevices during the first fifteen to twenty minutes. Uh,
And then we will give you a warning and then
we'll get in this way. So if you've seen the
movie or just listen to it, come back whenever you
want and it will be there. So Dyl, I'm gonna
start with you. You know, last week saw it for
the first time, but now we've all seen be able
to just be able to use the sequel together, same showing,
same time, not same city, but close enough. What did
you think of this as a fall up too? As
we talked about a nearly forty year old movie, it's
thirty something, so it's a I don't know what the distances,
I can't even remember. It's forced awakens to a new
U like return the Jedi is. The prequels are in there,
so it's kind of iffy, but I feel it's definitely
one of the sequels that has like the longest years
in between. Maybe I'll do some trivia and find that tonight.
Speaker 4: Do some trivia and find that. Yeah, it's it's it's
funny coming into this. I feel like I'm in a
very different headspace than a lot of people, even just
at the theater. It's like my taking someone's seat who's
been waiting for this for thirty years. Meanwhile I'm some
guy who just saw it for the first time last week.
I wasn't really thinking about that. Who cares, you know,
get your tickets, you can get them once in are,
But yeah, for me, it's a lot different, where like
this has not been a highly anticipated thing.
Speaker 2: It's like I've been watching these trailers this year.
Speaker 4: I've always wanted to watch the original, but I finally
just did last week coming into this week, so it's
all very fresh. But it is funny to have like
a legacy sequel like this that I'm really just seeing
like a week apart, and it is it is fun
to see just like how some people of age and
like Catherine O'Hara like doesn't seem like any older. But
then obviously Winona Ryders was like a kid and now
she's like a middle aged woman or whatever whatever age
she is, So it is fun to come into that way.
I had a great time with this movie. This movie
is just so much fun from start to finish. It's
so creative. The visuals are off the wall, highly random
and crazy, but a lot of I don't know, just
like good animatronics, like mixed in with CGI in there.
It just looks really really good and unique. I love
the setting. I think it's like the first movie when
we talked about in the retro, there's not a lot
that happens like plot wise, like it's a pretty simple movie.
It's more of just like a vibe almost, whereas this one,
I feel like there's a lot more going on. There's
like an A plot, B plot, C plot plot, There's
a lot of things going on. But I think it
still works like because it never really takes it too seriously.
It's just all these different characters in the different places
and they intertwine and disconnect at different moments throughout it.
But yeah, I just had a great time with this
music is fantastic. There's a couple sequences in particular that
really really stand out. But it's just such a creative movie.
Once again, like that first one was such a unique
iconic look to it. Look and feel, and I just
I just had a blast from start to finish. I
don't know if I have any cons of this movie, honestly,
Like I feel like I could critique some of this
old year maybe I don't know, Like this is a
couple of characters that if I really break it down
on paper, it's like, Okay, I feel like they didn't
really set this up very well, but it's not really
one of those kind of movies like I don't I
don't need some intricate plot with all sorts of like
villains having their big monologue and stuff like I'm fine
to just have someone who's there for the vibes, and
we got a few of those.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I truly truly loved it.
Speaker 1: What will you, mister Field? Oh and sorry, before you
go to the ones I found was Mary Poppins had
fifty four years between sequel and I don't necessarily count
this one because it was straight to DVD, but or
straight DV it's just whatever. But Bambi and Bambi two
sixty three years apart, so again, like I said, that
was a straight to DVD Disney one, but still it
does count. So the Blade Runner was another one with
a thirty five year gap, and then there was some
people are making jokes at Avatar at the time when
you know this threat was coming on, Tay, you may
know this quickly. Death Race two thousand and Death Race
twenty fifty are those in the same universe? I feel
like you, like, I.
Speaker 3: Have no idea. I've only seen Death Race one with
Jason Stayum, I don't know what happens.
Speaker 1: Well, well, that's there. I think people are saying that's
the sequel or remake. That's iffy because I think it's
a remaker not But if not, that one has forty
two years So there's a couple that have it beat better. Though.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if for Tarantino's final film, he decided
to do a Death Proof sequel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has to wait. He has to wait
sixty four years to beat Bambi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he just waits for that and then does
Death Proof after all these years.
Speaker 1: M M, you know what, I'm not waiting for anymore, Taylor.
Your thoughts, Uh.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love this movie. I think this was a
super fun time. I was laughing and if I was
concerned about the humor of this, it was the fact
that Okay, you have a movie like Dip Maveren and
that humor, and I feel like, is this gonna be
kind of piggybacking off of that humored a little bit?
Not at all. I feel like this just makes its own,
It makes its own position, makes its own kind of
quality with the humor and the jokes and everything. Michael Keaton, Uh,
it's like years since the first one. You wouldn't even
know it. He just slides back into this character so
freaking well. I can't believe it. I just I think
everyone did great. I didn't need a lot, Like Dylan
you said, It's not that kind of a movie where
you don't need all these like huge monologues or major backstories.
Things are very simple, and I appreciate that there were
a lot of surprises in this movie that you don't
get from the trailers, which again I'm very thankful for
because me going into this movie is so much more enjoyable, Like, oh,
this is a cool little twist. I'm very excited about
this kind of plot progression here with these characters. It's
pretty awesome and fun and visually entertaining, and the practical
effects are great. Not a spoiler, but just sandworms the
fact that they looked so great in this movie. Just
the fact, like everything that they introduced in that world
of beal Juice in the first one and they brought
it into this this film, and just with the technology. Yes,
some movies are very questionable with CEGI these days, but
I felt like just the way that they did things
in this movie and just visually, it was just so
nice to see it, just in that that higher quality upscaleness,
and I really am happy that we got this movie.
I feel like I already want to go see it
again right away because I just had a good time.
I had a really really good time with this. This
is probably gonna be like a staple Halloween film for
me now in the month of October, because this is
just this is a good time and I'm just I
walked out of that theater feeling, you know, good in
my in my my stomach, like yeah, I had some
good laughs.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Well, look you left to go
watch it already, Oh you really wanted to go see it.
Speaker 3: I just watched it again. It's fun, great, but.
Speaker 1: The second time, uh yeah, I think I'm the lowest
on this out of you guys. I don't have major cons.
I think I just I still enjoyed it. I still
had fun, I still passing it. It's still not like
a just a mediocre pass. It's still like a I
won't say higher end, more middle end. So I'm sure
you maybe guess where it is. But I had a
fun time. Maybe not every joke hits for me. It's
not as I think smooth as the first one. I
think there is a lot going on, and not that
that's a bad thing here, because I'm not looking for
you have the intricate plots. I'm not looking for complete
character develpment belges. I'm looking for a good time, and
I did have that. I didn't have nearly as good
time as the first one. I think it does a
good job for the most part. There's maybe one sequence
that is very legacy sequel where it's okay, it's we're
doing pretty much the exact same thing here, here we go.
But for the most part they fall different story beats.
Like even Lydia, who was a main character the first one,
she acts as a very different function in this one
as the main character, even then she wasn't the main character, right.
We talked about well in Gene David she was, but
this one she is like the main character, and that's
you know, like it's a lot of Winona going on
for an hour forty four and stuff. So I did
enjoy it. I think, Yeah, Keaton slides right back. He's
he's great. I all like I'm being selfish because you know,
even the first one he's not that much. But it's like,
I really would like even a little bit more because
I know, like this is probably the end of the
road for Beale.
Speaker 3: Just I would.
Speaker 1: Imagine like maybe not. Maybe they'll be a third and
they'll be like, oh, this just blows up. But I'm
gonna take it as okay. But I'm just happy with
more what we got. Justin Throau is tons of fun
in this movie. He I have loved them since two
movies that happened at the same time when I saw
Zoolander and Charlie's Angel Full Throttle. Very different, but I
can know why. He's maybe not everyone's cup of tea,
but I just love when he sinks in and he
just he's great at his type of humor. Catherine Hare
is great, Jenner Artaga is is good, but like they
don't ask much of her to do. I can see
why she gets the with credit. It's a very just
kind of like we got Jenna Ortega Daffo though he's fantastic.
No big surprise here, right, me and us talking about
Deaphoe being great, But that's hence the name. Loved that character,
loved all of the aspects of the world that they
try to be as practical as possible. Like Taylor said,
seeing the the Clay Nation Sandworms updated now looked really
good because I feel like sometimes people go, oh, yeah,
we're gonna use the exact same thing we did back
forty years ago, thirty years ago in today and now
because technology is caught up, you're like, oh, that actually
doesn't look too good now, like maybe don't do that,
but it looked really good. Score I don't think is
nowhere near what that first one is. There's nothing there.
Obviously that's different because that's been burning my mind for years.
But even just there wasn't too many unique tracks. I
thought they're more you know, the hits that I liked
were the same as before, which is not a bad thing,
but it's nothing that's like, oh, they really expanded, Like
when I think John Carper came back to do the
new Halloween, it was like, Okay, he played the hits,
but then he had a whole bunch of new stuff
that really worked. We're here Elfman. To me, Elfman's not
really been great for I don't know, a couple of decades. Now,
it's kind of the same here. So yeah, I had
a good time that I think it is a better
legacy sequel. I think there's certain subplots and stuff you
could just maybe cut and this could even flow even better,
like with this one being our forty four the other
one being our I think you actually could get this
down to an hour and a half and it might
make it a little better. So I had a good
time that happy it exists. It probably will be in
the room. It's good enough that I think it will
justify the double watch. Now when I watch Beetlejuice, I
think it will be a one too, So I think
that's the highest compent I can give it. Because there's
many legacy sequels that, oh yeah, they're good, they're fine,
but I might disregard them or not watch them every
you know, with the pairing might be every couple of years.
This I think there's enough good carryover that I would
watch combined with the first one. So yeah, enjoyed it.
I didn't love it. I don't think it's gonna be
in like my top ten or even twenty for the
year maybe something like that. But still had a really
good time and the girls had a good time too.
Nothing too scary. You had a cool popcorn bucket. It's
the sand worm and it goes into a bucket. I'll
try to get at some point, but it was worth
the thirty bucks.
Speaker 4: So it's just like Dune, another sandworm type.
Speaker 1: Of the sequence.
Speaker 3: One's way better than the Dude, I'll get it hang
the Dune one. I mean, that's this spark a whole
what's sexual controversy? Right for you or for definitely not
for me, not on a personal level. No, but this
one's pretty hype.
Speaker 1: Just terrible for the audio listeners. But that's why you
turned the video the YouTube video.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, much different than I was expecting. Yeah, no
sand involved in this one.
Speaker 1: Well there is in the popcorn. They put like you
get the butter and they just shuit so the whole
time you're just like crunching away. But no, I saw
it and I was like, okay, I already thought about
getting a bucket because we didn't have a bucket usually
like to bring one to space of the popcorn, and
I just had a feeling like I bet the bele
juice one might be cool. And it was I'm like, okay,
they got the thirty bucks for me, and.
Speaker 3: So you knew the theater had the beetlejuice one beforehand.
Speaker 1: No, I just thought I saw a cool bucket, and
I just thought people just got to have a cool bucket, right,
Like there's a lot of things you could do, like
even like the we were in hot topic this week,
like the merch, there's a lot of fun things you
can do with beetlejuice. So I was like, I bet
they got a cool bucket. I'm ready to buy a bucket.
They did also have like sweet corn. They called it.
It was popcorn died green. But I did not get
that because I thought that could be a risk for
me and the girls, especially the girls, so.
Speaker 3: Just puking on the way home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not want to not like the popcorn there, so,
but I think we'd all recommended Dylan. Our theater was like,
say about like half full, but it's also a Wednesday screening.
What was yours? Looking like over there it was jam packed.
Speaker 2: I don't think there was nice.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean when I got my ticket, because I
said I got it quite late, there was like three
or four spots left and they were in like the
very front row, so I didn't see if those ones
got sold out, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was loaded.
Speaker 4: People were excited to get their juice on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they gotta get that juice and now they're
going the GV juice. But yeah, I think that's one
thing Too'm excited to see how it goes through the
next few weeks. If I can hold on and keep
being viewed into Halloween, I guess'd be in a spike
because theater we are in loved it everything. Keyton said
they were having a good time like it. It's definitely
a crowd pleaser type of movie, so I think it's
gonna have like a good word of mouth and it's
a good like as someone that brought theirs to it.
There's nothing that risk. There's like one like maybe sexual scene,
but it's all like shadowed and stuff, but like it's
there's nothing.
Speaker 3: Few kids there too, actually.
Speaker 1: Lya there was, yeah, and they didn't really have like
a big jump scare in this, I feel like it's
mine as it wasn't like a big like or anything
like that. Like I thought, there'll be one that'll get
the girls, but there wasn't anything this movie that was
kind of going for that. So yeah, if you wanted
to see with other kids, it's definitely think like if
they like this type of stuff, like more like a
PG whore, I think you are fine to take them.
There's nothing crazy here, so I guess there's one F bomb,
but the original has one F bomb, right, So all right?
Anything else non spoilers, No, I think not. All right.
We will take our first break and then we'll be
right back and we're back. So let's get into some spoilers.
Where do we want to go first? Got the juice,
you got, the deeds? You got type?
Speaker 3: I'd love to start at the storyline that was not
advertised and unexpected or uh or his character meets this
boy and right away I thought, okay, this has to
be a ghost. This is how it's introduced, and I
love that whole setup. I love that it was actually
him just like being kind of a bad guy and
the way they just ended his story kind of a
bad guy too.
Speaker 1: This man who murders his fit parents is kind of
a bad guy.
Speaker 3: The way they ended his story was fucking hilarious. It's
gonna be my most favorite part of the movie. I
was I was dying laughing at that. It was. It
was great, But I just I love that they didn't
put that into the marketing at all, and I thought
it was a great introduction. Of course, when you see,
like the book is there and you don't get to
see the parents head on, you think, okay, maybe he's
alive and maybe he can see ghosts too, or something
like that. But as it unravels, I think it's it's
pretty well done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, thinking back on it now, I
feel like the marketing was really trying to hit the
nostalgic factor right, playing the music, showing off like similar
set pieces reminding you of like the characters and actors
that are in this, and then showing like a little
bit of craziness but like really quick cuts. But even then,
like I think it showed, wasn't there a sand warm
like in the trailer as well?
Speaker 1: Or might yeah one of those?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I feel like they're you know, tackling some
of those same things again. But yeah, so I think
it makes sense to not show that because I might
that might be something that people don't want to see necessarily.
I think it was like use just the right amount.
I think if they dug down and that had like
twice as much screen time as it did, I would
have not been too into it because it was kind
of like a pretty one dimensional thing. But yeah, I
think it was a fun sequence. I think it made
sense for the characters in the world. I feel like
it was pretty obvious what was going on there, at
least somewhat I didn't know. I didn't catch on immediately
that he was a ghost, but definitely when his parents
when you don't see their face when she's walking through
the house, I'm like, Okay, something's going on here. Absolutely,
And then it kind of obviously clicked in with some
of those reveals there and his ulterior motive, you know,
when when he's getting when he's having her say this
line that is like incantation and other language, you know,
it doesn't mean what she thinks it's gonna mean, but
it all works out in the end, of course.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like that sequence. I thought it was good.
Speaker 4: I think they had good chemistry given that they didn't
really have a ton of scenes together and kind of
to what you were saying, Travis, like, I guess I
was surprised at how, like general, she's in it a lot,
but she doesn't feel like she's the star of the movie,
which is what I know. I thought the angle we
were going for, which you know, honestly makes a lot
of sense, even even with Beatle just doing the retrospective
last week being surprised that, like, oh, the movie's actually
more about these characters than these other ones that I
was expecting. So I think that kind of makes sense.
And you know, folks on the characters from the original
movie that that doesn't make a lot of sense. But
I think even some of those scenes that they have together,
her and that and that boy I forget his name,
Like I feel like she's not really saying a lot.
She's kind of just like walking around, she's looking at him.
She has like a couple of quips here or there.
But yeah, it's a pretty, uh, I don't know, subdued
performance for the most part, and it's a lot of
it's just like her being angsty teen, like scoffing in
the corner and things like that, which of course she's
she's good at.
Speaker 1: M That's what was surprising. It's just so funny where
I feel like Wednesday happens and everyone says, oh they
do beatle Juice. I gotta get her, and like everything
that people, you know, forecast happened, right. But then that's
where I was kind of surprised that with why No
Ryoder when she's in the first one, she has that
gimmick of yeah, she's ansty team. It's also the like
death becomes Me and all this type of stuff where
she's just like a regular girl. Like they try to
play with this like activist storyline, but that doesn't go
too far. It's just like, hey, my dad was one
and I want to make change too, and that's about it,
and that's okay. Like I genuinely feel it's just.
Speaker 2: Like weather, studying spiders in the Amazon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, studying fish in the Atlantic Ocean or whatnot.
But like that before I forget why, I had this
question a few times, why is his dad a worker there?
Because I thought we had this, I felt we had
a moment of realization of oh man, all these people
that are workers in this underworld, they are people that
have taken their own life, but it didn't seemed like
that was the route this time, because they like there's
multiple characters that were workers, but didn't seem like they
had taken their own life. When we met Dany DeVito,
they you know, show that, and they showed Okay, clearly
some guy I guess for some reason drinking cleaner or whatever,
maybe just to take his own life. But that that's
what I was a little confused about.
Speaker 3: But maybe I want to say, like it is convoluted,
but I kind of took it as Okay, he's an activist,
a protester, and you see earlier on like one of
those like oil spill like activists. Yeah, so I kind
of thought maybe he's in the Amazon, maybe the rainforest.
Maybe he was doing something to stand up and it
just ended in him like sacrificing himself in a poor
decision and he got killed for it. So that's why
I kind of took it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting, like they when they talk about the death,
I wondered, if we were going down the route, that
he is actually alive out there somewhere because they never
found his body. Is like part of the thing that
they say, or at least that's what uh Astroid believes,
and so maybe maybe the maybe Lydia knew that his
body was found and didn't want to like tell her
because it'd be traumatic or something like that. But yeah,
I definitely thought that was gonna go a different way
at first, so I was a little surprised to see
him there, but that, yeah, I guess we kind of
have to headcanon that a bit because I didn't even
think about that during the movie. I kind of forgot
about that detail that they're supposed to be like specific
people that are put in these roles.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's just a different department too, because maybe
that's that's the immigration and stuff. Maybe that is, you know,
even the actors thing maybe is that that he also
wants to help the dead people out, so he's there
so I can make it work. I was just trying
to think of my mind when we thought about that
all the jobs in the last one. But again, that
is more like the dead afterlife waiting room or whatnot area, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was interesting to see a little
bit more of the afterlife area, but not a ton
more like we really just saw the immigration area and
then like the soul train like platform and those are
like the new spots that we get to. But I
think it was good that they just still still hug
like we're pretty refrained with that for the most part,
and they'll have some mystery there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, good, good point on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think they like we got that same
corner like we did before. There's a little bit more.
I I got what they're going with for the Soul Train,
I didn't exactly love it. I thought it was maybe
maybe I didn't need to return to it, but I
it was maybe just like a bit too on the
nose to me to make it like literally literally a
seventies Soule Train type of vibe. I get it, but
it just I don't know, didn't didn't work for me.
The thing that I was surprised with the data was
kind of hoping one I actually, uh, I guess the
fish were fine. I just felt like the fish maybe
took away when they're trying to do the dramatic scenes.
But I was wanting a lot more from that scene
when they all three together, but it went by very fast.
It was hey, like, I love you both and I
don't want you to fight because of me. And then
Jenna and I know, to look at each other, give
each other head none and they hug and that's it. Like,
And I wasn't saying like I need the best writing.
It was just it fell. It was like you said,
the fact that they didn't show his body or didn't know.
I thought, Okay, there's gonna be a bigger thing with it,
and there wasn't. So it was like, Okay, it's just
gonna be the emotional string for these characters. And it
still was. Don't get me wrong, they still check that box.
But I thought it was going to be more like
just even a bigger speech from him, but it just
it wasn't. And that gonna happen with everything where it
was him is when the grandfather died, when Catherine Harradai,
no one really cares when people die, and this be like,
oh that sucks, like yeah, like all the snakes, Yeah,
the snakes, Like they don't have this moment where it's like, oh,
now I'm not gonna see my grandma for like ever.
Now you know, there's there's a weird thing. And I
get that because now they can see ghosts. But I
was waiting for a little more with the dad and
even at the end when they were going to see
which we'll talk about the ending. I was not a
fan of that scene when they're going to see Dracula's castle.
I thought they're gonna do like a Star Wars Force
awakenst because he said, oh, I'm always watching you guys.
I thought you're gonna see him watching them go to
the castle and his presence is kind of there. But
they didn't. They they did whatever they did at the
end there, which I was found a little questionable there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it a fair point with with some
of that, for sure. Man, I totally had a point,
and I just I just got lost on it.
Speaker 1: So I talked about the dad the fishes bigger scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, that's that's what it was, is like
they I thought it was a weird choice. I guess
it makes sense. They like Lydia couldn't see him and
that's why she couldn't be like the communicator for him
in the afterlife. Yeah, with with Astra, and that's how
that's part of the reason Astra didn't believe in that,
because like, well, why can't you talk to the one
person that I actually want to talk to? So it
was a weird choice that like, okay, even in the
afterlife area, she Lydia can still not see him, but
she can hear him. Like I was a little unclear
on that, Like it sounds like she can't hear what
he's saying, but she can't see him. So it made
that connection like a little bit awkward. But yeah, I
guess the way I took it is like and Astra
even has that line where she's like, oh, I just
wanted to say goodbye to him, and it's like, okay,
well she got the chance to do that, but she
didn't seem very like chill about the whole thing, like
she had a smile on her face when she was
saying goodbye, even though it should be like a way
more dramatic thing. But I also just see it as
like he's gonna come find them, like where like he's
gonna come find the house or whatever that they go
live in.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna happen to end.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna find them, and then they didn't.
They did this weird this like a dream sequenced then
the movie, which I found like it worked. It was
fun comedically, I liked, Okay, it was odd little turn
we go to Dracula's castle like that, and then we
you know, Jennerticus, he's a good looking dude. They get married,
we jump to the berth and I liked the beatlejuice
gimmick and everything like that, but it felt, like I
said this Tam, when we got out of there, it
felt like an almost end credit scene of like, oh,
let's do something fun here because it's weird to it
wakes up and then oh, she's you know, it's crazy
dream and looks overveal juices and bed and then wakes
up again and then it rolls to credit. So I
wasn't sure if that was then also trying to be like, well,
you know, we could always do a little bit more.
I don't know, but I was. I didn't. I didn't
love it as the ending of the movie. It was
just an odd ending for me. The actual whole double
dream sequence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: It almost like I feel like a lot of people
don't like I don't know if any spost movie, but
like that it kind of has anything like that in Parasite,
and some people don't like that where there's like, oh, yeah,
you know what could be in the future, and like
maybe that is what happens, but maybe not.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: That was maybe my one thing that I didn't like
about this movie was that ending.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 4: I just didn't feel like I needed it. I don't,
I don't know, I kind of I guess I maybe
wanted a happier ending. I suppose, so maybe that's too
simple minded of me, you know, I gotta have something
little more dramatic. But like, I don't know, I didn't
really need this ambiguous ending of like, Ohizy truly gone
or not, assuming that he's definitely not gone, because when
she started seeing visions of him again, it meant that
he was out there trying to connect with her now and.
Speaker 1: What changed because yeah, she just said his name three times,
which has happened in every movie he disappears, But it's
not like, I know, for some reason this time he
blew up into a big bubble and pop. But I
would assume he's just still kicking it somewhere, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
Do there have any thoughts on the dad and the ending?
You didn't chime in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think his appearance is very brief, but I'm
I'm happy that we got to see him. The fish definitely,
it was like kind of like a gimmick that pulls
you out because you chuckle because they keep making these
like yes noises as they're like gnawing on him for
all eternity. Ah, but I mean it's fine, it's something
I can overlook. It's just it felt tim Burtony. The
the ending, it definitely pulls you out. I was not
expecting to see that baby again.
Speaker 1: They love that baby, me that baby, and they're like, Oh,
we're gonna put this as much as we can because
I guarantee this a grogu and I can't wait. After
this movie, there's gonna be a bunch of fucking little
baby baby beetlejuice merch. I can see it already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a really weird Did it highlight the chucky
part of your brain?
Speaker 3: Taylor, No, it didn't. This is just felt like it
was his own thing.
Speaker 1: Really I thought I thought it did because he had
like the just similar.
Speaker 4: Like I'm just like with with Ortiga's character.
Speaker 3: That's that's one thing. But when we were looking at
Wona Rider's character, I just felt like, like you just
can manipulate the real world. So when he like burst
her stomach out and this baby came out, I thought like,
didn't you just not just kill her? But no, she
was curly fine. It was just she's okay, Yeah, she
was okay. So uh, but yeah, this is the the ending.
It felt like, as you said, Travis, it could have
been a post credit scene. It did not have to
be the actual ending of the movie. Having a little
bit of something extra with the dat appear would have
been nice. But I my con lies in another part
of this movie, and it's really the only con I
have that I'm going to dock it on, like my
score in reference to other than that, though, it's just
everything is mine so minor that I can overlook at.
Speaker 2: And I, well, what is that gotta spill the beans?
Speaker 3: Here is full of guys. That con is the in
the church, the wedding song that beel Juice was doing
for a writer's character. It was just too long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just too cut a minute from that, it was. Yes,
it felt like it's I feel like they were trying
to recapture the Deo scene, which is fine. I'm happy
they didn't do Deo again because some movies would have
done that. Right, I'm like, oh, that's just everyone loves this.
But there was a moment when they all surrounded the
cake and justin throw came back. I'm like, okay, this
is this has been on a minute too long. I
was with Tea in that one where it felt like
the joke had gone a little too far, even though
I did like it because it's a weird touch. I
love Michael Keaton lip singing anytime. I can't remember what
song they had him sing in the middle when he
was on the when he was on the structure and
he's playing guitar Olydian stuff, So I didn't mind it,
but yeah, just just tighten it up a little bit,
you know, tighten.
Speaker 2: Big big disagree.
Speaker 4: I think that sequence is fantastic, and I think it's
like it's it's it's like a big Broadway ending final sequence.
To me, it totally worked, and I think the biggest
part is just like I love the music in that sequence,
the song that he's singing. Sure, but then when we
also cut to like the little action sequences when Defoe
and his crew come through the same tomb, so we
cut to like this action tense music and then it
cuts back to them back and forth. I thought that
was just really really well done, and like the whole
time I feel like the movie like all the threads
are being tied up at that point where all the
characters are kind of meeting in one place. That's when
the soul soccer lady shows up again. Justin Throw's character Rory,
he shows up again at the end too. But I
also I felt like that dynamic and one like, you know,
that Wednesday dance was like a big thing, and so
I feel like they were trying to replicate it fit
of where I having jenneral Ritega do like a little
dance sequence there with Catherin O'Hare, which I thought was
a really fun little duo kind of rated the end there,
So it makes sense that they would go for that.
But I think the really interesting part of that for
me is I just thought like Wanona's acting choices, like
her reactions to that were really interesting, where she of
course is like freaked out and this whole thing's going on,
But I feel like there was also a side of
it of like, man, this guy really does love me,
and he's putting on like the most epic show of
his love, and of course it's weird and beatle juicy,
but it's also like magnificent and beautiful at the same time,
and of course through that whole sequence, he's like forcing
people to talk and not talk. So it's not like
she's explaining any of this. But I just thought that's
at least what I saw in that scene, and I
think that added a really good dynamic. And of course
at the end, she still kicks him to the curb
and doesn't want to be with him because he is beetlejuice.
In fact, he just killed like thirty influencers and those
people ain't coming back. I think they're forever stuck in
those phones and just like maybe they all showed up
in the afterlife. I'm not sure, but they're absolutely gone.
Speaker 2: We talked about that.
Speaker 4: I forget if it was on like a news newscast
or on the retrospective last week, but those influencers. He
did kill those people, in my mind.
Speaker 1: You think so, I think he felt. I think they're
just trapped and the spell.
Speaker 2: But who's gonna bring them out?
Speaker 1: I say it's something like, but we don't see on
screen they pop out of the phone, and I think
they'll be okay, you know, that's what I'll tell myself,
that they're there.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Like these people would presumably we're live streaming on you know, Instagram,
TikTok whatever to and at least ever, there's like thirty people.
All of them have at least more than five million followers.
So now the whole world is gonna know about ghosts
and ghoules and uh, Beetlejuice and all these things. And
maybe they can't see all these things that are happening,
like they can't see Beetlejuice potentially, but they can see.
They can see like the faces getting sucked off and
all this stuff. And I don't know, I feel like
the whole world's gonna know about this so pretty I
feel locations there if they ever do a third movie, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like, which I do not. I can see
the picture already of Beelejuice like in New York, Like
it's him in a big city doing some sort of
pos I don't want that. But I feel like if
a bunch of people heard about this Beetlejuice character, knowing
our world, I think they're gonna say that name, you know,
like a lot of people, and there's tons of ladies
out there, the.
Speaker 4: Beatle Juice Challenge. It's gonna be like the next tide
Pod challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's tons of lady influencers that
would marry Beatle Juice. One hundred percent that like that
he's getting hit to people.
Speaker 2: Who like marry his serial killers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent they will find Beal juice to
social media. And no, I agree with you that I
thought they were giving some services that I thought they
were going to get married at the end, because he
was kind of doing like a he influencers, you know
TVD but like he has called I think we kind
of called this and talked to us from the trailers
they are keeping hidden. But it's a guy. It kind
of seems like he might be on the good side
this go around, and he kind of was, so he's
still doing a selfish thing of like this time, he
wasn't even forcing Lydia to marry him. It was they
made a deal to get married, right, they.
Speaker 2: Made them like he did. Multiple problems that they had
when they were there.
Speaker 1: He exposed to just Throw, who was like which I
like because I feel like Throw's character. I wasn't sure
which way they were gonna go because there were times
he was being selfish, but there were times that it
seemed like he might be caring, so just wasn't sure
was he a caring idiot or was he a selfish idiot?
And it sounds ended up being he's a selfish idiot
for wanting and I could tell. But even the pills
at first he was trying to take them away and everything,
but then it was probably just like you know, because
her ghost powers everything. But when.
Speaker 2: When he gives them to her, that's so good.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like there was a line there about
the truth serve. That was a good moment. Uh. And
then he did send that serial the boys serial killer
to hell, which I didn't even talk about. That was
probably my favorite part of the movie because the same
thing as you guys. Once they didn't show the face,
it's like, okay, something's up here. I know the tam
like these people are dead, right, like like I'm, I'm
we're all picking up on this, right. But I liked
the twist of it was that he killed them and
not the original story of right he died and the
parents when he died of old age, it was okay,
he's like a little Ted Bundy type of character, and
I think that was good and I was happy that
was the case. Because when they met him or we
met him, I was like, uh, do I really want
or take his character have a love interest for like
the rest of the movie and like him be at
the wed Like there's a version of this movie where
everything goes and he's the same guy and the high jinks,
he's like, oh, look at this family I'm in now,
Like I didn't want that. I was so happy it
was okay, just this kind of asshole guy that's taking
advantage of her. I think the reveal is good when
they kissed and they float and little things like okay,
he's still in the nineties and he has the book,
but he just says he got out a yard sale,
but clearly as the book because he's dead. So I
thought that was a very fun, very you know, Disney
channeled horror movie type of twist, but like I think
beal Juice works and that kind of goosebumps, Disney channeled
kids for movie horror ones and it works as far
as like a I imagine younger people watching this, so
and yeah, that guy was good enough. That stuff where
I tried not to think about because it'd be like
beal Juice and Lydia are trying to find the daughter
and the killer, and then Beale just oh, I gotta
go wash them. And then after that he like bumps
into Katherine my hair and he's like, well, where are they?
Can you help me find them? And then he's back
in the line he sends the guy to hell. It
was very like odd pacing for me where fiel juice
was popping up, because sometimes he would just know exactly
where they are. And then in one scene he's asking,
you know, missus deed, It's like, hey, I have no
idea where they are. Can he help me? Even then
like why did he even go the I know why
he did story wise, but why did you go to
the washroom at that exact moment. Well, it's because he
would just be op and own everybody, right. So there's
a few things where it feels like there's like scenes
that are kind of missing and whatnot. But I like,
we got the one F bomb. I hate hate any
movie that bleeps the F bomb. I hated that they
bleeped it at the end that you already used your
one F bomb. So it just feels weird for him
to say like, see you later, fucker, and he hits
the thing and then when the soul Sucker comes back,
He's like, oh fuck, and they bleep it. Hate that.
I just don't like. I think then Mario do that too.
I can't remember recently another movie that they didn't say
the f W but they said something, and I just
that's not a gimmick you'll ever see me. Use I
don't like beeps in a movie.
Speaker 2: It takes me right out of Taylor It on the
ones he's directing.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course he can put as many beeps as
he likes them.
Speaker 3: You mean in the animated Mario movie, they did a
bleep of fuck you in there.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 3: That wasn't.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it was that. No is was
it fro? It was a fro. It's some very popular
movie and they did it. And I was like, ah,
I don't like always put some boots. That's what they did.
And that was a weird one because it's just like
Shrek's already done that. I digress. Just don't like that.
But good to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah another uh yeah, I think I you know, I
think there are definitely criticism criticisms like we made about
the story details and like there's a lot of convenience.
There's a lot of coincidences in this and for whatever reason,
like they just don't bother me in this movie, Like
the fact that, uh the fact that Astroid I keep
forgetting her name for some reason. The fact that she
can't see any ghosts until this family, Like that's very,
very convenient. The fact that uh Lydia can see presumably
every single ghost in the world except for except for
the husband character kind of weird and convenient. The fact
that it seems like everyone can see the shrunken head
ghost people, Like, I don't know, did they come to
reality or are they there as ghosts. I was a
little confused about that when they went through Beetlejuice's bomb
door there, Like are they just back in the real
world or are they to.
Speaker 1: The world like everybody can see them, because they don't
they like.
Speaker 4: Do some like they can't just you can't just re
enter life.
Speaker 3: I think it's because it was just a back door,
right that it kind of fudged around with it a bit.
Speaker 4: I guess had hair, Like she just kind of comes
back to the church scene and then like heads back
out again. There's definitely some confusing things for me in
terms if I really think about it, which I wasn't
when I was watching the.
Speaker 1: Movie, which is the same thing as like, I think
we had that with the first one, right, and that's
even you know me like to question myself, I say,
and I gave that movie a ten, but I think
there's multip times to talk or like, if you pick
this apart, this doesn't really make sense, and like.
Speaker 2: What is simpler?
Speaker 4: So yes, where as this there's so much more going
on and different characters doing different stuff that it maybe
stands out a bit more.
Speaker 1: Which I think they're kind of lamp shading in a bit.
But I still appreciate when they go through the door,
the emergency exit and they land on the sand planet,
which looked very the way the sand warm was moving,
very dune like like the things were, you know, the
sand was moving up and down definitely, so that happens.
But then I like when over take was like, oh,
this must be like the sand she's breaking all the
time to say, oh, it's a moon of Saturn. She's like, oh,
the rule like she says, like the rules or locations
something about like the world of the Dead doesn't really
make much sense, And that to me was kind of like, oh,
that's just kind of like Beetlejuice in general, right, And
that might be a bad reason for it, right, but
it's like we're just doing this because we like it
and whatever, because it's like, okay, you know what, when
are these cops, these dead cops really busted out? Like
why were they not after Beetlejuice at all in the
first one? Right, But it just we're just having fun
with it, right, And same thing like d Fae's character,
that character, even the Bride character that I don't think
they really need to be in this movie, but the
Defaux character. I just love this idea of this actor
who was using a hand grenade that I guess he
didn't know it was a real one, so it took
his life in part of his face. And I like
that he is I think because he wanted to continue
that role of the action hero. He went to them
and like I'll be a cop, I'll be a detective.
And I think Defo who can always like cheese it up,
he cheeses it up to like the really right amount
of he just looks like having such a good time
here when he's given his speech and he has the
cute cards I love the little back and forth he
had with like whoever his help or was. It was
very like a Them Fatals or like Blade Runner Detective Moor,
where there's always like some pretty blonde girl or brunette
and that's you know, giving him stuff.
Speaker 4: And I thought, like like always giving him coffee so
that he can dramatically throw her on the ground, which
I think is just the best detail when they cut
to like these garbage can and there's just thirty cups
of coffee right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's something where it's just like there's really
it doesn't add really much things to the plot, but
it adds just such a fun elment and I really
enjoyed that. And same thing I could take like a
little bit more of him, I would maybe cut the
soul sucker because I was kind of That's the thing
I was probably disappointed with the most is her character
thought it was the coolest sign. I liked it, but
I didn't think her scene they didn't really matter much,
especially because she just got taken up by that Sam
Warm the same time as the role, right, so it
didn't feel like this big moment just feels like maybe
because she's day Tim Burden it's like, well, you know,
I got this cool role for you, and let's put
you in here. So really that's like an edit I
would make, Like I think you'd literally just take her
of the movie and it changes nothing because him getting
back to Lydia has nothing to do with this wife.
It's with the dad dying, it's with Jenner Tega finding out,
it's with them going back for the funeral, has nothing
to do with hey, I'm about to die, could you
marry me? And if he just like break the curse
or something like that, it's literally she just comes to
the end like all right, you have to kill her.
But it gives Michael Keaton some great one liners and
somehow I didn't mind, like the mini origin they gave
him sometimes, like oh do you want to do that
by scene? That was fun?
Speaker 4: Good, yeah, black and white, like the whatever Spanish voiceover.
Speaker 1: That we put into it. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that it's definitely fair to criticize that character
because most movies would have that character capture Lydia, right,
because then that can be like able juice, but like,
how would she know about Lydia? Like that wouldn't really
make sense. So instead she just walks around hallways soul
sucks people, and then like moves on to the next one.
Speaker 1: Well I thought they were doing that when she found
his desk, because remember she finds the picture and stomps
on it of Lydia, so that oh, this is how
we're gonna get the you know connection, but didn't happen.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of strange, like it doesn't really
go anywhere. But I don't I like the characters for
the the like, I think she was a fun villain,
even though she doesn't really like align much of the
actual characters in this movie. She's more just on the
side killing random side characters unfortunately. But I think for
me it's like, well, first I was like, man, is
this like canonizing this with like the Adams Family, because
she just looks exactly like the mom from Mortia Adams Family. Yeah,
but clearly it's just you know, Burton's aesthetic and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, definitely clean it up.
Speaker 4: But I gotta say that character introduction, it's got to
be like one of the best, like character introductions of
all time. Breaks out of this box, these body parts
just coming together, stapling herself up and then picking up
Danny Defio and sucking the soul out of them, turning
into like a little fucking Valleyville Jalloween costume thing raggedy
on the ground there. So yeah, I think, I think
to me, she added to the movie even I think
partially what adds to it is that she had like
very little screen time, so it didn't feel like it
made the movie Dragon. It was just like every once
in all we yea quick cut toal quick shot and
she's taking out some random lackies. I don't know, I
think it was fun. It didn't really detract from the
movie at all for me.
Speaker 2: I also love it.
Speaker 4: I think it's the second guy that she kills, the
the guy who is like the dry cleaner, uh, and
the cops have that set up there and they have
like the chalk outline of his body. It's just like
this mini little chalk out lighting around his like shrunken body.
I just every little I feel like there's so many
little details that I'm just gonna forget in this review
because just I feel like so many shots in this
you just pause and really admire the artistry, like the
little jokes on the side, or like the little detail
they went to make this scene feel more fun and
energetic than needs to be. There's just so many little
details in this movie that made me so happy.
Speaker 3: The newspapers I want to pause on and just like
read all the articles and the headlines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 1: Tim. What do you think about the bride and Dafoe?
There you and talk about him?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, to the Foe was great. He was cracking
me up. He was just such a such a funny character,
being the actor who wants to be a real detective
here and yeah, just he really really was having fun
with it. I think the uh, the bride, the ex wife, Yeah,
she's she wasn't anything like I was thinking, Okay, we're
gonna have like this super crazy evil villain. This is
what she's she's gonna be. But she wasn't that. She
was more low key, and I'm actually kind of happy
about that. Uh. There were so many different storylines that
were kind of over branching with each other and intertwining,
and so her just kind of like saundering around trying
to catch up the beetlejuice. I enjoyed it. I thought
it was fun. And I know this was obviously in
the trailer, but just seeing it on the big screen
and seeing how it was just it was sized up.
When Willem Dafoe is like, have you seen this woman?
Beetlejuice's eyes and tongue pop out of his head and
then it goes back and he's like, no, I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Her, Like no, my life, in my afterlife, I've never
seen her at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that really really cracked me up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she was very cool.
Speaker 3: He was introduced and like the what was it called
in the shelf, the unclaim unclaim Parts.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was just clever because
you see that written on the shelf and then all
the boxes open up and it's actually just parts. It's like, oh,
that's clever.
Speaker 1: Very clever, very clever. Yeah, I got a place. If
no one has a place, place us play fit. I
was surprised how much screen time and obviously it's not
the actor, but how much screen time the character of
the dad caught in this movie. I thought we saw, okay,
we saw the grave and the trailer that makes sense.
Kill him off, you know, for whatever reason, he can't
be a ghost. And they even said this one. But
you get a clay mation sequence which you know they show,
but yeah, that was really cool of how all this
is how he died. He drowned. No, they plane crash, No,
the shark got him, Okay. Uh. Then later on you
see him going in to the lobby. He is a
half eaten his all his shoulders and head completely gone.
He can still talk. When he talks, he sprits out
and everything like that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Catherine Eric's character is like very sad about his death
because it is a partner. She's no how she's gonna
go on without him, does a whole seance which leads
to her death. Classic fashion of buyas these you know
venom unvenomous snakes, like the venom has been taken out
or they've been defanged, but they haven't so bad deal,
and then at the end they get reunited to go
in the soul Train forever. So I was surprised how
much of an aspect that was in the movie. And
that's fine because that's a character that's in there. Obviously
there's different stuff with the actor nowadays it's aren't good,
but it's like it's still the character for the movie.
I still don't know if they had to do that,
but I was surprised they did, and uh yeah, and
it gave us some fun stuff of like to throw,
Like I think they he got a lot of fun
one liners about pretending he knew the grandfather and saying, oh,
he'd want this, he wants this propose and everything. Kathery
her like he hated big speeches, like there was a
good comedic gems in there. But yeah, that threw me
off guard there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was my biggest surprise, especially hot
off our retrospective last week and then our conversation about
that after and what's happened with him, which is not
good stuff in recent times. I love that his grave
was a like shark fin. It was shaped like a
shark fin. That was a really great detail. I love
when he's in the lobby waiting room and he sits
down on the bench and he's next to a surfer
who clearly also got bit in half, and they just
throw that hang. But I love that he's just like
a bumbling fool, like he's just walking around the afterlife. Yeah,
people don't really care about him, People don't really know
who he is. Always the blood spurty out. He just
kind of doesn't really seem to understand what's going on,
which makes sense if he lost all of his organs
that provide him any sort of hearing and vision.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was very.
Speaker 4: Surprised about how much he was in it and how
much the movie really revolved around the death of his
character and how big of a deal it was. But yeah,
I think it really worked and it was It's kind
of an impressive thing to do. Like I feel like
something like the like I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Tim.
Speaker 4: Burton considered having Alec Baldmin in this movie considering the
controversy around him, which is like very different than the
controversy around this actor that I already.
Speaker 2: Forget his name.
Speaker 4: But it's like they really just brush what happened to
that couple was the whylands right or the like the Mayfairs.
They really brushed that aside the line it's like, oh,
that's that's convenient, and they just.
Speaker 1: Kind of found a loop to get them to the
ad for like done.
Speaker 3: Did you see them actually in the miniature during the intro?
Speaker 1: I didn't see them. I saw their car in the.
Speaker 3: Car in the intro it shows, uh, like you see
the miniature and everything like that. But as they're getting
to the main house. You actually see the Maitland's climbing
up the side of this hill.
Speaker 1: Okay, I saw that. Okay, so I didn't know that
was them, but okay, so, but yeah, and I feel
like we called that in the maybe not as quick,
but I think we called the how would they be
in this movie? And oh, they're probably just gonna find
their way to the afterlife. And that's exactly what happened, right,
But it was still good. I thought it was a
good transition to they do that, and then right away
they go up to the attic and that's when you
get to pull the sheets and you see everything again.
And we didn't mention the opening credits. This movie is
almost identical the first one, but this time they're using
a real city instead of the model this time, which
is funny because the beginning couldn't tell, like it was
very far out shots and they're showing things move and everything, so,
you know, a nice, nice little tribute. It's still better
with the models because it's just real world houses and buildings, but.
Speaker 3: Well, it transitioned very seamlessly because there were some parts
were definitely true the real world. You could see the vehicles,
the lights, and then all of a sudden you're looking
at like it's a barn and there's like there's a
toy horse miniature in the bar, and it's like, Okay,
when did this transition here? It was really really well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and speak of that too, because they go across
the bridge. I realized I thought this might be an aspect.
It wasn't. But there's a segment where it looks like
Ortea is gonna be die like three to four different times,
and I thought there was gonna be something there that
maybe she does die, but Lydia works with Beale Juice
to maybe, you know, get a mulligan and get her
to come back to the real world, or maybe she
would have swapped places. But I genuinely thought there was
a chance she was gonna die in that segment because
I just thought they were doing a bunch of like
joke deaths. But then she was gonna really die at
the end. But she didn't. She just met a guy
who did happen.
Speaker 2: To die, you know, so mm hmm, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Let's tick our final ad break. We'll be back with
final thoughts and probably rains all like a jazz we'll
be right back, and we're back, Dylan, I heard some breath.
Speaker 2: We're you gonna Yeah, the brepeaketh the breath is loose. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to highlight that, you know, we're on a
writer as Lydia really gets promoted to the main star
of this movie, which I think is great. It like,
that's definitely obviously Beatlejuice in Michael Keaton, that's iconic, but
I feel like that was definitely the takeaway from that
original movie is is her and playing that character and
it's become very iconic, and I think it's I think
it's very fitting that she gets to be kind of
the star of this movie really revolves around her. She
definitely has the most screen time. She gets to do
a bunch of different acting, like she gets to show
off all sorts of different chops, which I was really
happy with. I think it was a really really smart
setup that they had for the character. Where obviously it's
been whatever, I forget. I think it's like fifteen years
is what they say, is how long it's been in
this even though in real life it's been longer than that.
It doesn't really matter how many years it's been exactly,
but I like that she has taken on this role
and turned it into the ghost House this TV show.
She has her friend, her fans the ghosties. I think
she calls them, yeah, whatever it was. Yeah, I just
I think that was a really fun setup for the character.
It makes a lot of sense. It's kind of just fun,
like to see what she's been doing in the meantime.
And then I think it kind of leads nicely into
the situation where she has with her daughter where they're
very distant because of what happened with the dad and
how much she doesn't want to talk about it, how
much she kind of keeps a lot of that stuff inside,
and then she's obviously being just kind of manipulated.
Speaker 2: By Rory and all that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think the whole set up around that
character was really well done and all that there was
no debate as soon as her daughter was in trouble,
even if they've had this rocky past. Immediately she was like, Okay,
I did know one possible way I could solve this,
and even though it's my worst nightmare, I'm gonna do
it immediately, no hesitation whatsoever. So I just think she
got to really shine in this movie. I'm a big
one on a fan, so I think it was great
to see her on the big screen popping off again. Yeah,
Stranger Things kind of put her back in the public
eye in a big way. People are a big fan
of her again. But I think it was really cool
to see So I was really happy to see.
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that uses is lose. But yes, I liked the GV
juice is flowing. Yeah, I like that setup with their character.
I actually really liked how they incorporate rated beal Juice
coming back, where it was a very Disorrington like in
my opinion, poorly edited but on purpose, poorly like it
was a flashback, but it wasn't like an obvious like
she sees a guy with striped shirt and it's a
very quick shot of bealu justice in some the popcorn
and then it's like gone. But it's like I feel like,
usually other movies that might happen, and that Beal Juice
and Popcorn might be like a lot longer, a lot
more specific, but it feels like it's just like a
frameer two is put in there quickly and then you
take it out. And I really like that. And then
we got that again later on. But when she was
talking to General Tega's character Astrid, we saw it from
her perspective where she saw another guy with a striped
outfit and she freaked down saw beal Juice again, but
we didn't see beale Juice. We just saw what would
be like if you were talking to you know, uh
Lydia while she saw beal Juice, but you couldn't. So
I thought I liked that little thing. Where again I
can't how did he actually get back. I was just
hit them saying beale juice. But I don't know why
he like because I thought even the dad dying, he's like, oh,
now's my time. But that did that again. I didn't
really have anything to do there. It was Rory saying, oh,
let's get let's power you through this bill. So again
some strange like lines drawn of trying to get beal
Juice back there. But I did like the idea of Okay,
he's his presence again, the idea. I like the idea
of him creeping in, even though the more I think
about it, that wasn't really an aspect. He wasn't trying
to get back to her. He thought about her. He
apparently thinks that she's the love of his life, but
he wasn't actively like working to get to her. He
still needed one of them to say beal juice. And
even how he got back to her was of someone
else's doing. It wasn't even oh he put up that
young serial killer kid to kidnap her and stuff. So
like the concept. Maybe now where I think about there's
some issues, but I still like how it was done
in the film with those quick flashes and he's kind
of just around, And I like when she tried to
explain it to Rory and he didn't buy a single
second of a second of it. And that therapist scene
was fun enough with lots of visual gags going on,
Like I've seen the behind the scenes where that thing
of the guts that's all practical, where they have like
a built in dummy legs and they pull and I'm
sure there's some cgi for the guts, like glistening and everything,
but there is a scene of them just pulling out
a bunch of guts out of Keaton. So very fun.
Speaker 3: The scene when they're in the church and they're dancing,
and you get like the brief little like flashbacks like
overlays of them when they were younger from the first movie.
They quickly panned to the shot of the dog. Now,
that tells me that the haunting at the beginning when
she was on like the ghost House show and she's
like showing how the dog was being terrified and haunted.
So is that beal juice from inssing that he was
doing the haunting in that house. That's how I took it.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. Possibly it could be, Yeah, because there's.
Speaker 3: No other dog featured anywhere else.
Speaker 1: In the movie. I didn't understand it.
Speaker 3: The dog at the beginning, so to me is like, Okay,
he was reminiscing about that haunting.
Speaker 1: Isn't the same dog though, that's the question.
Speaker 3: Sure it was the exact same dog?
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn, Taylor, that's a freaking deep poll dude.
Speaker 3: Nice fine, well, if it's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Which was funny because they were doing that the
you know, the l ron montage of all the people
he had loved, but they only had like Lydia, the
dog and her. So it was I was hoping they
were actually gonna throw some different, like ghastly characters that
we maybe never met in there, like other people he
had loved, if their ghost characters, But that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: Travis, you mentioned him earlier, but Rory played by Justin Throw.
I don't know if I've really seen this guy. Maybe
I've seen him in something, but yeah, I think like
ninety nine percent of the humor around his character worked
for me. Which that's a character that I mean, he's,
you know, intentionally giant douchebag, could be very annoying and
annoying to the point where it's not funny annoying but
just actually annoying. But I think he pulled it off perfectly.
I don't even know what I can say about a mother.
I would just be repeating funny lines or sequence that
he had. But I really I really enjoy that character
and the humor around him, and I like that he
got what was coming to him at the end.
Speaker 1: Did you I thought you watch him? Did you watch
the show Maniac with Justin Jonah Hill and Emmastona.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that movie or that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, maybe it's just your interesting. Yeah, he's in that.
He's in Charles Angels, He's in Yeah, he's in Zulander.
He plays the evil Breakdance DJ. But he does a
lot of these type of assholey kind of arrogant type
of roles, and he's pretty good. He's he plays the
some Spice I can't remember the name of it, but
he's in the Last Jedi, remember, Taylor, he's the actual
Spicer they want to get like the Master Slice or
Master code Breaker or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the Red.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in that. So he pops up in a
lot of stuff and he's very good. He's not everyone's
cup of tea, but he's definitely my cup of tea.
I enjoy just and throw a lot. He's uh, he's
always makes things better good. Taylor was laughing like pretty
much everything that happened with them the whole time.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, just the way he was. He was talking
about like good vibes and energies and he's just such
a do so.
Speaker 1: Him and Mark ruffling poor things. You just have a
knack for like the loser ex boyfriend type of character.
We got to get you to play on those in
a movie. You just do you like that aesthetic of
the very comedic loser boyfriend?
Speaker 3: I do. I'd yeah, sign me up. I'd love to
get my poor things. Mark Ruffalo like the fuck away,
like talking to a dog or.
Speaker 1: Suck you up dog like him and Mark like these
two characters. They'd be best friends because they just would
be complaining about the women in life and think they
did no wrong, you know, and they're both egotistical.
Speaker 3: So man, when, oh my god, when when the ex
bride showed up and Beal Juice is like, you know,
you need to find someone that really, you know, kill
cares for you. And he snaps his fingers and his
clothes come off and it says I love Dolores, that
fucking killed me on his shirt. I was dying laughing
at that because she looked like she was semi interested
for a second and then it phased out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else that we have not touched upon any characters.
It's nice da Beato. The second he started talking, knew
knew he's there. Very kind of fun. I can't remember
if he was in double but fun for me. Years later,
get like a Batman returns because he obviously played Penguin
and Keaton played Batman, so fun have them in a
Tim Burdon film again, it's like a timber and likes
to see that bag because I can't remember the last
time I have you seen Dumbo? Were they both in that?
I know Keid wasn't Dumbo.
Speaker 3: I didn't see them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe they were in there, But for me,
I was happy to see. And uh, I liked the
look of Divido's character too. I don't know what happened.
I guess the original gender must have found his way
to the afterlife. Now maybe he's in a better place,
but uh yeah, now he's And I did actually like
the effect of when their souls got sucked. I liked
them just being like these skin bags, very wrinkly, like
that poor that character Bob. He went through the fucking
ringer in this movie. I actually was mad that he died,
not like a oh I give the movie negative, just
that like Dafoe was intimidating him, Beale just intimidating him.
He was hiding under the desk like all like shiveling
and scared and then the soul sucker found him and
he's just scared of his mine. Poor Bob. I was
root formed to make it out and he didn't.
Speaker 2: So man, random thought.
Speaker 4: But I was at a museum when I was in
Europe lust year and saw like an actual shrunken head.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: It's a really trippy thing to see. It's like, man,
this is just someone's like actual head from one hundreds
of years ago. It's like a very weird.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: It gives me the.
Speaker 1: H that's hard for the mind of process, like a yeah,
human head that's been taken down to that size. I
feel like it'd be the same way if I were
to see like an actual mummified person, like if they
were break open a tomb and it's like there's just
a person.
Speaker 4: That's it's pretty much rad but just distilled into one head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of that. I never saw a
full shrunken head. But if you ever go in to
New Orleans, I recommend you go to like the the
Voodoo Areas and that has like a lot of weird
stuff there. That's another story for another time. Like I
got some stuff there, but I I left it. I
was like a same thing. He gv's of like bad
bad juju, you know, so, but all those guys are
great again because I think the muscles were practical. But
that's that's where I like that really there was there
was CG like I think like when they had the
cake and it's like raining something, but all the CGI
and then that could have been what is it they
claim as like they could have done some sort of
animation stuff like that, There was no because I literally
just watched the movie today, which is like a smaller
it's Deliverance on Netflix where there's multiple CGI scenes. It's
just a small exorcism film. But they took me out
every single time. I was like, I really wish they
just found a way to do a practical not do
it all. There was no to my knowledge maybe when
I watch again, but there was no big scene. It
was like even if you could tell it with CGI,
it was like, oh, this looks really batter all. It
took me right out, Like I thought they had a
very good mix of the two with this one.
Speaker 2: So M yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: My last note might be just once again highlighting all
the fun character designs in the Afterlife, like man that
like saw trap dude who's like in a in like
a water cage, but he's been like crushed down. I
don't know what was going on there, but that was
that was pretty terrifying. And like the Santa Claus was
like burnt to a crisp. Must have gone through a chimney.
That was you know, had the fire on something like that.
Speaker 1: That's great. I was really worried what was that going
happened there with the kids with me, like, oh, don't
make no Sanna joke about certain existing or not. I
was really worried. Luckily they didn't, and I thought those
other kids, but you never know. In some media, it's like, uh, oh,
I could see Beal Juice saying something, but I like,
there's just merry Christmas, Like he was still jollying up
some very Christmas. You had the guy that died from
a hot dog eating outfit contests that looked like Colin Yeah,
yeah sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I guess just also, uh, Katherine Mahair
I mentioned in a retrospective, I was hoping that she
would be a bigger part of this movie and she
definitely felt like it. And I feel like with the
what they're doing with her characters, especially this being in
a post Shit's Creek world, it would have been really
easy for her to fall into, like, Okay, the characters
are very similar.
Speaker 2: People love that character, people.
Speaker 4: Love Shits're gonna like go into that dip into that
acting bag. But I feel like she didn't. I feel
like she kept onto some of those elements that are crossovers.
Speaker 2: Between the character.
Speaker 4: But I feel like the performance was still something very
different and definitely a continuation of that character. So I
was really happy to see that. And she's just she's
just such a joy. She's always so fun. That she
has this new job too, where she's like turning her
trauma into like art exhibits, and there's this weird exhibit
of her just reacting to things in terrifying ways. It's
so just weird and silly and stupid and decorating the
house in like black clothing as well. It's just such
an over the top thing that she would do.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, whatever terms she had for like some
sort of it's like it's not this, but it's like
a sheet of passing. But it's just like it's like
keep the house. And I forgot such a random pull
they have like the daughter of the real estate agent
and who Now.
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen them the first one enough to like
be like, okay, who is this the same character a
different characters?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then even this like oh this is mini
whatever like they already say it like that that character
has a daughter of.
Speaker 4: Oversell too, even with the post credit or the you know,
not actual post credit thing, but you know, obviously it's
a dream sequence but kind of like trying to set
up the future potentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no, I like that. I like that to me,
like the art evolution they gave that character it all Finn.
They even had this video for tomb like, oh yeah,
the the you know, the sculptures were past me, so
onto evolve and it's just like quick little stuff where
you don't even have to have exposition. It's just on
the side in the video and a museum and you
get a little stuff of okay, she's doing this type.
Oh I had a thought, Oh what I did like
and this is one where a good thing, a legacy sequel,
and do it improved on the original because they were
at one point talking. It was when they're on the
porch and why not this is like you really didn't
want anything to do with me? Like we didn't even
talk that much, and we talked about them in the
original hell like they're a mother and daughter, stepmother and daughter,
but still they're in the same household, but they don't
they don't really interact that much. It doesn't even feel
like they are in the same family. So I like
that they brought that up and kind of chucked up
to like, well, you were annoying and then you resented me,
So it's like that's kind of a combo of I
disliked you, you disliked me, and then eventually we found
our way and that was just like it's an easy
script writing, but it's to be like, yeah, Jenner Tello
is a pain because you were a pain and it's
your turn to get that right. So I kind of
liked them calling that. I was like a fourth wall breakup.
When you watch the original does not feel like they
are a family whatsoever. But they use that as a
plot device to be like, ah, that was just part
of growing up and everything that and I like to
and they say something about oh, because they're talking about
ashrad Is, you know, oh, you know, her father's dead,
and she puts that on me and she doesn't forgive
me get da and Catherine goes, oh, yeah, you did
the same thing to me, and Lenny's like, my mom's
still alive. It's like a fun little piece. Like I
literally anytime I watch people juice, I thought her mom
had passed on and this was a remarriage, so it's
like nice, like just a nice little colonel that, No,
it's just a divorce and her birth mom is alive.
They're out there somewhere, but it's just so that maybe
would make the divorce even more messy. So yeah, I
liked it. They had a lot more scenes together where
in the original when they do it's very like quippy
stuff of O'Hara just being evil stepmother and that's about it.
You don't feel connection, where now it feels like overtime
they have bonded. And then she says like, yeah, because
I sold out and made a lot of money. She's like, no,
like I liked to before that, But I still like
because of that, so little little good character stuff they
included with one another.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Taylor, I think I'm noteless, especially I'm noteless noteless.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will go first, and I'm probably lows. I
will give this a seven out of ten. For now,
I don't think it would drop. I think it could
go I think the only most could go higher is
like in the seven point five. And these are movies that, Okay, now,
actually I'll go seven point five because I have a
new barometer, because I give you two minute no no
no no no no, Maybe get to a seven point five.
But no, because I found there's too many movies. I
said this before that I was giving sevens used to
be my Oh, I'll watch this many times in the future.
But then there are some movies that I didn't love,
but because they're still made so well, giving them anything
under seven felt bad, like it felt yucky, and be like, oh, yeah,
this great movie that's visually scored, but it's like a six. No,
so a seven point five is now what I leave for.
These is a movie. These is something like fucking Luigi
over here. This is a movie that I will watch
many times. I think they were smart, especially even if
it's for the theatrical but smart to have a segment
of this film happening on Halloween night, like that will
get in that Beatle Juice is already in the Halloween rotation.
But I think this is it eggs it on even
more Halloween re releases all that stuff. So No, I
had a good time with fit the girls. They both
really liked it as well too. They they said they
weren't scared. The only time scared Gwen was when they
pulled out a needle and she covered her eyes. It's
just a needle thing, nothing more than that. Logan was
fine and chilled the whole time. But yeah, they liked it.
No I enjoyed it, Like I said, maybe it's not
like I know, absolutely love it, but I think Dylan
kind of asked me that, like, why wasn't more exciting
for a sequel, just because I thought, like, for me
as a big fan, it's hard for me to match
those expectations or match like that first one. So for me,
it's like, if this is what we got, I'm happy
with it. It's I take this much more of a
oh yeah, that's a good time for me, versus man
that really stunk and or this person doesn't or like
if Keen would have came in there, I didn't think so,
but if he didn't have it, I would be like, oh,
like you should have never greenlit a like many times,
like we'll get this one that we knew Pirates Retro,
that last Pirates movie, Jack Sparrow and Giant dep like
Giant Epps, not Jack Sparrow in that movie. He's just
lost it, right. So it's like with this if you
were to get Keen in the room and so he's
just not feel juicing when he can't do it. That's
why it's like, you don't do this movie. But uh,
like I said, the audience he fucking killed my our
audiences was dying and everything that guy said, And I
thought I did great jobs. Yeah, seven point five for me.
Speaker 2: Very nice.
Speaker 4: I h I'll go in here next. I on paper.
There are issues that I have with this movie for sure,
breaking down some story stuff, some character stuff. We discussed
it all at the end of the day, though, I
just had such a great time with the movie start
to finish. This The movie is amazing, pacing, I was laughing.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great sequel as well.
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna give it a good old ten
out of ten.
Speaker 1: I really loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised because we just had this conversation with Dipple
Ring and You're like, oh, I don't know if I
would have give it a ten. Now, now this is
a ten. I was surprised. I thought, like a nine.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I yes, even though there are some like story shortcomings,
perhaps I just don't feel like this is the kind
of movie where I really care about that, because it's
more about like the style and just the vibe of it.
So yeah, but you know what, also, I'll discuss an
episode was like, yeah, it doesn't these numbers don't really matter.
Speaker 2: So you know, I love this movie. I'm very happy.
So I'm just gonna give it a ten, and I'm
happy to do.
Speaker 1: So there you go, tear Field.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like I said, I only have one con really,
and it's just how long that musical number went in
the church. And for that reason, I'm going nine point
five out of ten. I can't give it a perfect
ten just because of that, just the just the one.
It was just too long, Like I was laughing at
the surface. Yeah, it was just pulled me out when
it got to be just a little too long. But
that being said, I had a fantastic time watching this movie.
I loved it a lot. I can't wait to rewatch it.
I'm stoked to add this to my haling rotation list.
It's just, yeah, I'm so happy that Michael Keaton was
able to just get back into this, like I said
at the start of this episode, and it feels like
there's been no time that has actually passed between him
playing his character, and I think that just goes to
show there's a true testament how great of an actor
he is being able to get back into this role
after doing a bunch of other movies in between. But yeah,
just absolutely fantastic. He was hilarious and it was a
great time that being said, just to get into see
these new characters jump into this kind of world as well.
They all did a great job. Really really happy with
them or Taga and Defoe, and just having Winona Ryder
back was great too, and having Yeah, these characters that
we're familiar with get more of the spotlight. All in all,
it's just such a great movie. I'm gonna be recommending
it to everyone that I see, Like, oh.
Speaker 1: Go see Beetle Juice, go see Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I want to take her actually to the theater to
see this one, so we'll see you see, even get
to sit her.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like that first one though, so you gotta
get her. You gotta get her.
Speaker 2: Well, I asked her when I got home.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, I think you would have really
enjoyed this, and she's like, you know, I didn't like
the first one. I was a different person back then
and I'm a different person now.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, okay, when did she see that first one? Oh?
Speaker 3: When she was a church goer.
Speaker 1: You didn't even watch you with her for the retro.
Speaker 3: No, we did, but she saw it for the first
time she was a churchgoer, and that's when she said, like,
I don't like this movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, But then when she watched the retro, what was
her thoughts?
Speaker 3: She wasn't she didn't. She was kind of I'm not unbeknownst,
like unknown with it.
Speaker 2: She was kind of coy, like where am I.
Speaker 3: She wasn't really kind of shedding a lot of light
on it. And as we got closer to going to
see it today, uh, then she was kind of I
was telling her like, oh, I think you like it.
Then she's kind of alluding to like, you know, maybe yeah,
like maybe I was a little bit too harsh on
it because she, as I said to you in the theater,
she didn't realize that Baldwin's character is like, they were
dead in the first movie until we rewatched it, and
she's like, oh yeah, I didn't realize that they were
ghosts the first time I watched it.
Speaker 1: Okay, the next time because I just think that's wild
watch that movie and thinking they're alive, because like, what
do you think when its like half the characters can't
see following Geena Davis, like when they're doing a whole
like ripping in the face and everything. So that's a
that's a fun fact, so.
Speaker 3: A whole new dynamic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there you go, lays Jell and we have
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Speaker 2: Do personally have a phone number?
Speaker 1: Drop it here, okay, don't.
Speaker 4: I don't really associate it with podcast inquiries.
Speaker 1: I'll put in the title of the episode. Yea, I'll
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you very much for tuning into this. I hope you
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Hell,