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Speaker 1: Are here to talk Sister Wives, Season nineteen, episode two,
Speaker 1: also known as the Coins episode, for which I am
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Speaker 4: This is Bronwin. Hey, I had some thoughts I wanted
Speaker 4: to share with you. I am completely convinced that this
Speaker 4: is the last season four Sister Wives. Here's why. So
Speaker 4: they've been two years behind, and you guys talked about
Speaker 4: that early are and now all of a sudden, because
Speaker 4: of Garrison, they're going to have to bring it up
Speaker 4: to current day. And they've already talked about in the
Speaker 4: press release that they are going to be discussing Garrison's
Speaker 4: death at some point. So they're bringing it up to
Speaker 4: current day. And then what are they going to do.
Speaker 4: They're all over the country and the everything is changing.
Speaker 4: They're not going to have enough content. I don't think
Speaker 4: after this. Yes, that could be why Janelle moved and
Speaker 4: how Cody and Robin are selling the house and all
Speaker 4: of this stuff. I'm just really convinced that this is
Speaker 4: it so curious to hear your thoughts, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: nothing that I've heard takes me away from that conclusion.
Speaker 4: It really sounds like that's what's happening. So Yep, they're
Speaker 4: going to have to find other jobs. Love it, Have
Speaker 4: a great day, guys, good bye.
Speaker 1: I do love that.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, Well, what are your thoughts? What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we're at a crossroads. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like we could just cancel the show right
Speaker 2: now because it's not really Sister Wives anymore. It's Cody
Speaker 2: and Robin and then the OG three, which everybody I
Speaker 2: think would want to see a spinoff of the OG three,
Speaker 2: like I would want to see what Janelle's doing in
Speaker 2: her life and all that kind of stuff. But I
Speaker 2: could see a world where it gets canceled. But I
Speaker 2: feel like it won't. I feel like they're gonna keep
Speaker 2: going at least to season twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that this being the highest rated show
Speaker 1: on TLC, this production company and this family, well in
Speaker 1: particular Cody Brown, is very interested in keeping the show going.
Speaker 1: They might have to get creative. They might have to
Speaker 1: rethink how they want to show us this family. Whether
Speaker 1: we're going to go to North Carolina with ta Ada
Speaker 1: Farms and Janelle and Maddie and Caleb. What are we
Speaker 1: going to spend more time with Christine and then there's
Speaker 1: ma Her haunted BnB. I mean I just don't know
Speaker 1: if there's enough there though, to make a compelling show.
Speaker 1: What makes Sister Wives compelling is the underlying family dynamics,
Speaker 1: which now in the last few seasons have come to
Speaker 1: the surface and so it's full on drama and we've
Speaker 1: been waiting for it, and that's what makes it good,
Speaker 1: which is why I was saying last week that I
Speaker 1: think Cody really is invested in portraying a villain. Whether
Speaker 1: he feels that way or not, I feel like he
Speaker 1: thinks he needs to do that in order to keep
Speaker 1: this on the television. So I think they're going to
Speaker 1: really want to try and create some additional seasons. I
Speaker 1: just don't know what we're going to do. And furthermore,
Speaker 1: if I may, they're going to do what they did
Speaker 1: with Christine's wedding last year. They're going to fast forward
Speaker 1: us to an event that happens in a current timeline,
Speaker 1: and then in the next consecutive season they're going to
Speaker 1: go right back to two years ago. Of course, they
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. This is how they do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's why the show goes on
Speaker 2: because they do backlog their content because they don't really
Speaker 2: have a lot going on in general, Like even season seventeen,
Speaker 2: it's like the biggest thing was Christine leaving, right, But like,
Speaker 2: prior to that, what were we watching? Like nothing? Really,
Speaker 2: I mean we were watching Cody and Robin, b Cody
Speaker 2: and Robin and then the OG three you know, going
Speaker 2: too like a picnic or like something dumb like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like they're gonna either have to
Speaker 2: manufacture content or continue giving us old shit just to
Speaker 2: keep the show running. Because Cody and Robin do need
Speaker 2: a paycheck, they do need a job, yes, so I
Speaker 2: feel like they're gonna want the show to continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the only reason you've got the ratings you
Speaker 1: have right now is because the wives and the kids
Speaker 1: have left you. That's really the only reason because previous
Speaker 1: to that, like you said, it was boring, although I
Speaker 1: think a lot of us watched because, uh, in some
Speaker 1: ways it was interesting to see this family try to
Speaker 1: function and be together and that was I think compelling television.
Speaker 1: But like now, the reason you've got people here is
Speaker 1: because the ship is sinking. Yeah, so you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the same problem as something like a Real Housewives franchise,
Speaker 1: which kind of started out in this innocent space of
Speaker 1: like housewives and friends and lots of money and travel
Speaker 1: and then turned into this garbage dumpster fire of toxic
Speaker 1: women literally fighting each other, like I feel like, in
Speaker 1: order to maintain the ratings we have now, it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to stay dramatic, which I think Cody is willing
Speaker 1: to do, and so is Robin, though she's gonna pretend
Speaker 1: that she doesn't like it, right, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the other wives who probably walk away at some point.
Speaker 1: I don't think Janelle feels like she needs this.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, she's gonna make money with her farm
Speaker 2: and living with Maddie and Caleb and she'll be fine,
Speaker 2: And same with Christine. She's got her own bullshit, Mary's
Speaker 2: got her NLMs, like they're gonna be fine. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it might turn into like Welcome to Blatfell,
Speaker 2: like this Currencys, where it's everybody's gotten divorced and now
Speaker 2: we're just manufacturing bullshit that nobody wants to see.
Speaker 1: Yep, Olivia speed dating, introducing characters nobody cares about.
Speaker 2: Like literally, no one cares so unless you're gonna give
Speaker 2: us real stuff or drama, because everybody's addicted to drama
Speaker 2: and toxic trash, then nobody's gonna want to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the direction it's going right now, though,
Speaker 1: because we're actually having some of the wives talk about
Speaker 1: the real shit. We're actually getting into Coyote Pass, we're
Speaker 1: getting into who's on the deed, we're getting into lawyers.
Speaker 3: And all this stuff we've been rabig about for years
Speaker 3: be addressed.
Speaker 1: So this is good. I'm just wondering if they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it up. I'm wondering if production is actually tapped
Speaker 1: in with what most of us want, or if it's
Speaker 1: gonna fall apart, you know, and get super boring and
Speaker 1: a lot of Michelty and Tony and twins and stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't care about you being there at the birth, Robin,
Speaker 3: I don't care about that.
Speaker 2: Good it's probably gonna be a lot of that. No,
Speaker 2: we don't need that. But TLC has a history of
Speaker 2: not giving a shit about their fans, so they still
Speaker 2: want to do it.
Speaker 1: Why would they change it?
Speaker 3: Exactly if they've got the highest ratings ever, why would
Speaker 3: they change anything in the formula.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't. But I foresee certainly a season twenty yeah,
Speaker 1: and probably continuing to twenty one. Twenty two, twenty five.
Speaker 1: For real, I think we have a few years of
Speaker 1: them trying to cobble it together. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's going to work, but they are going to try
Speaker 1: because it's a cash cow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean I can see up to
Speaker 2: twenty But then after.
Speaker 1: That, I'm like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: What are we gonna watch? I mean, I'm still going
Speaker 2: to watch them. Yeah, we're still watching. We're still in
Speaker 2: the dumpster together, Like we're still doing rewind episodes and
Speaker 2: I boring ass season, So like we're still going to
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 1: And people that's like some of our most downloaded content
Speaker 1: on the audio podcast. Everybody loves it. So we're still
Speaker 1: talking about it. Yeah, we're still here, honey.
Speaker 2: So I feel like if people are still going to
Speaker 2: talk about it, it's still going.
Speaker 4: To go on.
Speaker 2: Yep, even if it's going to be boring af yep. Lord,
Speaker 2: But you know what's not boring? Christine is going to
Speaker 2: be suing Cody Brown bitch, Oh I love it last week? Yes,
Speaker 2: tell us, Well, Christine is going to sue Cody, or
Speaker 2: is already suing Cody for retroactive child support up to
Speaker 2: four years and custody, yes, truly, so probably full custody,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, yeah, which I love.
Speaker 1: I love it as well. She's fully entitled to it.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: They're probably going to have to do some kind of
Speaker 1: a paternity test because I don't think that's customary in
Speaker 1: polygamous families. Right, he's obviously the father. All those kids
Speaker 1: look the same. Yeah, and he's going to be on
Speaker 1: the hook based on what he makes. And if this
Speaker 1: goes to say trial, and if we have something like
Speaker 1: discovery and even depositions and we're going to go on record,
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to see some of the
Speaker 1: financials unless to keep it private. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they can. I'm not a lawyer, but hopefully Cody has
Speaker 1: some intelligence and he's like, okay, let's just settle this.
Speaker 1: I agree to whatever. But she's entitled to it. And
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting that she waited until truly
Speaker 1: was fourteen to do it, because that is the age
Speaker 1: of I don't what do you call it agency? I
Speaker 1: don't want to say consent because that's not the right thing.
Speaker 1: Is she can choose where she lives and what parents
Speaker 1: she spends her time with, and so truly can choose
Speaker 1: to stay with Christine. He can't use visitation and custody
Speaker 1: in that way to hang over Christine's head.
Speaker 2: Ooh, so she did it on purpose like that, because
Speaker 2: he would have thought it in court if she did
Speaker 2: it earlier than this, because then he would been like, oh,
Speaker 2: she's withholding custody of truly, like she's the evil person,
Speaker 2: Like I shouldn't have to pay child support, but now
Speaker 2: it's different. Now you do have to.
Speaker 1: Custody interestingly, is not attached to visitation. Those are separate things.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people try to make it an issue. No, even
Speaker 1: if you never see your kid, you are still on
Speaker 1: the hook to pay for that kid.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But he would have probably tried to do something manipulative like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I want to see truly fifty percent of the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so truly truly fifteen percent of the time. And
Speaker 1: so Christine, you're gonna have to drive your happy ass
Speaker 1: from Salt Lake City the flag Staff twice a month.
Speaker 1: I'll do it twice a month, and she's gonna have
Speaker 1: to stay here, yeah, and maybe go to school here.
Speaker 1: He would have tried to do something like that definitly.
Speaker 1: So that's why she waited and she was smart to
Speaker 1: do so.
Speaker 2: I love to see it, and I hope she gets
Speaker 2: a lot of money in child sport, because it's not
Speaker 2: like she's itching for money. It's not like she's poor,
Speaker 2: she's successful. She's just doing this just to get at
Speaker 2: Cody for all of the years he's robbed all of
Speaker 2: the wives with der mcmhonsion and the weird figurines.
Speaker 1: The assets, or as Mattie says, the assets.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and Robin's kids' cars.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, the fleet of cars that belong to Robin
Speaker 1: and her children.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting also that it's ropping kind
Speaker 1: of at the same time that we have on the
Speaker 1: television Janelle talking about lawyering up and having this stuff
Speaker 1: kind of in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: I love to see it, me too, want more of it,
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 1: And even if she doesn't need the money, technically she
Speaker 1: can just put that right into a college fund, right
Speaker 1: into any kind of fund that truly can draw from,
Speaker 1: like she's eighteen, because you know Cody's not going to
Speaker 1: be supporting her. We know Cody doesn't give a crap
Speaker 1: about truly, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: He went to go make out with Robin when she
Speaker 2: was getting bored.
Speaker 1: Yes, like what the well? And last week at the
Speaker 1: Sprinkle he's playing with Avalon and he's not even acknowledging
Speaker 1: truly his daughter's sitting right there on the couch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just sitting there, staring off into space. So
Speaker 2: Dad doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Make him pay Drag, drag drag. It's about damn time. Real,
Speaker 1: it's a justice indeed, Lizzo. All right, So let's get
Speaker 1: into the episode again, Season nineteen, episode two entitled.
Speaker 2: Let There Be Light. Yes, interesting title. Yes, it starts
Speaker 2: off pretty strong because you get right into the Coyote
Speaker 2: Pass discussion, and it's with Janelle and Maddie because they're
Speaker 2: heading up to Montana to go look at property and
Speaker 2: they're in the car talking about Coyote Pass and how
Speaker 2: it needs to be paid off because apparently they still
Speaker 2: haven't paid it off. I mean, this is twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two right right now, so we already know it's been
Speaker 2: paid off. But they're talking about Cody dragging his feet
Speaker 2: essentially like he's not prioritizing it. He doesn't really give
Speaker 2: a shit. He's not talking to Janelle about it. She
Speaker 2: wants a paid off so she can be done and
Speaker 2: free from him, which is fair.
Speaker 1: Yes one. And apparently, according to Janelle, Cody is not
Speaker 1: just dragging his feet and not doing anything to pay
Speaker 1: it off, but he's also not communicating with her and
Speaker 1: telling her what the status of the property is and
Speaker 1: what the plant, the over arching plant to pay off
Speaker 1: the properties are, Like, he's just not doing it. And
Speaker 1: then we have that lovely interstitial of him saying, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I don't talk to her about the property because that's
Speaker 1: just information for the gossip mill, which I think is
Speaker 1: him saying that Janelle will tell Maddie. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of coming out. It's becoming clearer and clearer that
Speaker 1: Cody thinks Maddie is a problem. Yeah, and she's kind
Speaker 1: of one of those kids who feels superior, who's in
Speaker 1: a club and who is gossiping all the time about
Speaker 1: him and Robin. So he doesn't want to talk to
Speaker 1: Janelle because Janelle's going to talk to Maddie and then
Speaker 1: the rest of the kids are going to hear about
Speaker 1: what his plans are financially.
Speaker 2: And that's so fucked up. And I think that shows
Speaker 2: his financial abuse because he's you're not the sole owner
Speaker 2: of this property, Like Janelle's name is on this shit,
Speaker 2: So you don't you don't get to do that, my guy,
Speaker 2: just because you're worried about your adult child who's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, thirty or something heading toward Yeah, something
Speaker 2: like that, Like who gives shit what she says about you?
Speaker 2: Maybe be a better person.
Speaker 1: Well, I would give a shit if I knew that
Speaker 1: one of my children was a hound dog who was
Speaker 1: pissed off about her mother getting the short end of
Speaker 1: the stick and having her know about my financial situation
Speaker 1: and know about all the art and all the phoenix's
Speaker 1: rising and bears that are hugging, and crystal towers and
Speaker 1: Dickensie and villages, like Maddie already knows about that, because
Speaker 1: as they're in the car, Janelle talks about how Cody
Speaker 1: has been storing assets trailers, and then of course this artwork.
Speaker 1: She actually calls out the artwork and they included in
Speaker 1: the episode, which I love because of course Cody and
Speaker 1: Robin have just put up their house. We saw a
Speaker 1: little bit of that artwork, so obviously the kids are
Speaker 1: seeing this too. The wives are seeing this, and Janelle
Speaker 1: says something like it was my kids who were getting
Speaker 1: pissed off my adult children. And when I finally began
Speaker 1: to see, oh, yeah, this isn't fair, it was because
Speaker 1: of my kids.
Speaker 2: Yes, she even talks about like looking back through all
Speaker 2: the years and how she would be stuck in a
Speaker 2: rental or she'd be having to get used stuff or
Speaker 2: use furniture or whatever. Meanwhile, Robin's backyard is fully finished,
Speaker 2: and Robin's got all this artwork, and her house is
Speaker 2: bigger and it's nicer, and she'd be like, huh, that's weird.
Speaker 2: M hmm. I think Janelle was in denial for a
Speaker 2: long time because she didn't want to think that this
Speaker 2: guy she had trusted for thirty years or whatever would
Speaker 2: do something so heinous. But he has been doing it
Speaker 2: this entire time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that kind of leads me to this question
Speaker 1: that I have about Janelle, because she's often referred to
Speaker 1: like the record keeper and the financially astute wife and
Speaker 1: the one who's bookkeeping everything and sees all the numbers
Speaker 1: and like does the taxes and stuff like that. But Janelle,
Speaker 1: why did you set yourself up to walk away with nothing?
Speaker 1: Because at this point, as she's having this conversation with Maddie.
Speaker 1: Cody could conceivably make the choice not to pay anything
Speaker 1: further on the property on his end, and anything she
Speaker 1: put toward it would just go away because that owner,
Speaker 1: that ultimate owner, who creatively financed it, said, look, you've
Speaker 1: got a balloon payment. If you don't pay it, you
Speaker 1: don't get anything.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So Janelle not just loses the property, but any money
Speaker 1: that she's put toward the property, because he has all
Speaker 1: the power. Janelle, how did this happen? And what I
Speaker 1: think it is is it's her faith, yep. And I
Speaker 1: think it's the fact that she trusted her faith, her religion,
Speaker 1: and how Cody was framed within that to trust that
Speaker 1: he would never hurt her or her children, And so
Speaker 1: it was hard for her to actually see what her
Speaker 1: kids could see as they got older, that it was
Speaker 1: unfair polygmya is unfair to women, and she was getting
Speaker 1: the short end of the stick. But you're not that smart.
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe things that are kookie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my faith is a little weird, but I mean
Speaker 3: I can also look at a ledger.
Speaker 1: I can also look at an account. I can also
Speaker 1: see where the money is going out of the family
Speaker 1: LLC and where it's going to and she has said
Speaker 1: in previous seasons, I see where it goes. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you really need all that stuff?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: I can't have a casita, but you can have the
Speaker 1: Dickenzian village. Why did she do it? I don't get it,
Speaker 1: other than the faith part, But even then it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Beatrice, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I look at her and I'm like, maybe it's because
Speaker 2: she was easily manipulated because of the faith, because like
Speaker 2: Mary had her own separate money. But Mary was still
Speaker 2: stupid and like really crazy loyal to Cody for over
Speaker 2: a decade when he didn't give a shit about her.
Speaker 2: Christine was loyal until the point where he cut off
Speaker 2: all intimacy. It was like we're not gonna have a marriage,
Speaker 2: and then she's like, okaybye, I'm done. But she still
Speaker 2: had separate finances. But like Janelle, I feel like was
Speaker 2: the one Cody was able to manipulate the most and
Speaker 2: be like no, like it's for the greater good, Like
Speaker 2: this would be really fair for the family, if like
Speaker 2: you could help us out with that, and if you
Speaker 2: could maybe convince one of the other wives or something
Speaker 2: to help us with this or whatever, like, can you
Speaker 2: do that? Can you move things around? Like? I think
Speaker 2: she was just coerced into it.
Speaker 1: I think Janelle believed in the big picture of polygamy
Speaker 1: according to her faith. I think Mary believed in the
Speaker 1: love that she had with Cody A little bit different.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Mary ever really believed with her
Speaker 1: whole body and soul in polygamy. I think she was
Speaker 1: jealous a lot. And in this episode, Cody gets into
Speaker 1: Mary's like constant anger and how it was distributed through
Speaker 1: the relationships, but like she was in love with Cody,
Speaker 1: Janelle was in love. With the faith difference, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's the difference. And I guess when Christine decides
Speaker 1: to get a divorce, she also decides to chuck her faith.
Speaker 1: She no longer believes. I don't know if that's no
Speaker 1: longer believes in fundamentalist Mormonism or aub Mormonism. Whether that
Speaker 1: means she's no longer even LDS, because I do see
Speaker 1: liquor in those cabinets, honey, So she's drinking, which Mormons
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to do, but she is, like, maybe it
Speaker 1: was easier for her to say I don't believe anymore
Speaker 1: and so this marriage doesn't mean anything. I'm divorced.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do, but I'd be like, fuck
Speaker 2: all this, Well, not Janelle and not Mary. Mary even
Speaker 2: talks about it too. She still believes in the faith,
Speaker 2: which I'm just like why, I don't understand, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know either. But now she's going to
Speaker 1: be pursuing what she calls a release, which is a
Speaker 1: dissolution or I don't it's a spiritual divorce. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: when she brought that to Cody, he was like resistant,
Speaker 1: not because he doesn't want that, but because he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to have to go to the elders and have
Speaker 1: them look at his relationships and all the failures. And
Speaker 1: I'm skipping ahead and I apologize. But like, that's how
Speaker 1: Mary wants to deal with it. She wants it to
Speaker 1: be final and church ordained. Janelle doesn't need it to
Speaker 1: be church ordained, but she also needs to go through
Speaker 1: her own process.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what doesn't make any sense to me, Like,
Speaker 2: if you believe in the faith, why wouldn't you go
Speaker 2: and get a spiritual release? Because Mary still believes in
Speaker 2: the faith, and she's doing the spiritual release because she
Speaker 2: does not want to be sealed to eternity on cole
Speaker 2: op with Cody fucking Brown. But Janelle still believes in it,
Speaker 2: doesn't want to get the spiritual release, won't even call
Speaker 2: it a divorce. So then I'm like, Okay, by your belief,
Speaker 2: by your faith system, you are going to be internal
Speaker 2: eternally sealed to Cody Brown in heaven with col op
Speaker 2: or on col op.
Speaker 1: But if she's open to polygamy with another husband, wouldn't
Speaker 1: she have to get released from this marriage in order
Speaker 1: to enter into that marriage? Like at some point she's
Speaker 1: going to have to get that release.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because I've talked to Ethel about that,
Speaker 2: and like Ethel's not fundamentalist Mormon, but she was LDS
Speaker 2: and she said, like, I guess for the women, like
Speaker 2: you're still sealed to multiple partners, Like you still have
Speaker 2: to ask for the sealment or the unsealment or whatever
Speaker 2: if you wanted that, but otherwise you're still sealed to
Speaker 2: Cody Brown and sealed to this other guy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So when Warren Jeff's comes into some man's
Speaker 1: home and says, your wife is now my wife, they
Speaker 1: don't have to unseal that and do all the administrative stuff.
Speaker 1: They just move the wife over to another husband and
Speaker 1: it's just fine in the eyes of the Lord. Must
Speaker 1: be nice to be a white man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, yeah, nice to be.
Speaker 1: A white Mormon.
Speaker 2: May yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow yeah, wow wow wow.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so that makes sense. Yeah, that's why Janelle
Speaker 1: doesn't feel the need to do it.
Speaker 2: But that's weird. Why wouldn't you want to be unsealed
Speaker 2: from him like I would be. I'd be like, fuck you,
Speaker 2: I'll spend eternity alone.
Speaker 1: I just don't think she wants to fuck with it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to talk about it. She doesn't want
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with Cody. She doesn't need to
Speaker 1: say it's over. She's just like, I'm moving on. I
Speaker 1: have a dream.
Speaker 3: I want to be with my kids. I want to
Speaker 3: have a piece of land. I want to be rural.
Speaker 1: I want to have a pig, a cow, and a garden.
Speaker 1: Fuck Cody, I don't care. And I actually like that
Speaker 1: more for her because now Mary has to go to
Speaker 1: the aub I guess, yeah, the white male elders in
Speaker 1: that face, and she has to plead her case for
Speaker 1: some kind of a release and like, why yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean if you believe in the faith
Speaker 2: and you believe in that.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like it's a lot. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Janelle's like, I don't want to do it, so no,
Speaker 1: thank you. She's a Taurus. I get it. I really
Speaker 1: relate to Janelle.
Speaker 2: And maybe she is kind of a rug sweeper a
Speaker 2: little bit, I think, so yeah, oh god, So I
Speaker 2: mean maybe she just doesn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2: Just go and buy your flower farm, yep. And that's fine,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not judging her for that. It's just like
Speaker 2: if you're going to say you believe in the faith,
Speaker 2: and why aren't you going the full mile? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? YEPA But back to the coins on
Speaker 2: Coyote Pass, when we're talking about the separation of assets
Speaker 2: and how Cody and Robin kept their stuff very separate.
Speaker 2: Robin has her own separate money.
Speaker 1: Can we all just download about that first of all?
Speaker 1: When Robin is talking about how she used to be
Speaker 1: a bad budgeer like in bat with money, but now
Speaker 1: I'm really good with it, huh. And we actually have
Speaker 1: separate accounts, Cody and I and I take care of
Speaker 1: I have my own money, he has his own money.
Speaker 1: When she was talking all of that mad, duplicitous shit,
Speaker 1: she was actually breathless. I was noticing her body language
Speaker 1: like she had a little flush in her cheeks. She
Speaker 1: was speaking a little fast, and she was trying to
Speaker 1: catch her breath. I mean, just all indicators that she
Speaker 1: is bold face lying. I cannot believe. I cannot believe
Speaker 1: the audacity of this woman because she knows that she's lying. Oh,
Speaker 1: she knows that we know that she's lying. She knows
Speaker 1: her wives are watching this and they know that she's lying,
Speaker 1: and she's still doing it. That's what makes her wicked, beatrisses.
Speaker 1: Not just like stupid, not just opportunistic. She's wicked, Yes,
Speaker 1: fucking evil. When she was saying like it would be
Speaker 1: too confusing to have to calculate how much money the
Speaker 1: other wives gave to her and Cody essentially and have
Speaker 1: to figure that out, Okay, it all that, I mean, honey,
Speaker 1: kiby even do that. I don't even know. It's easy, honey,
Speaker 1: it's easy. How much did Janell transfer from her her
Speaker 1: account into your account? How much did Mary transfer into
Speaker 1: your account? So you could buy that home.
Speaker 2: Yep. And then the most evil comment to me that
Speaker 2: she made was the fact that she was saying the
Speaker 2: other wives didn't prioritize their money the way that she
Speaker 2: prioritized her money. She had different priorities. She's an expert budgeter.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's your fault you didn't prioritize your money
Speaker 2: well enough.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. We're just different in that way. Listen, bitch, bitch,
Speaker 1: You've got Cody who's got his TLC salary and he
Speaker 1: doesn't work. You've got your TLC salary and you don't work,
Speaker 1: and so maybe you guys get to separate those two
Speaker 1: salaries and you've got your own account, Robin. But who's
Speaker 1: paying the mortgage?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I bet it's Cody. Who's paying for the insurance. I
Speaker 1: bet it's Cody. Who's paying for all the utilities and groceries.
Speaker 1: I bet it's Cody. And is Cody doing that for
Speaker 1: his other wives?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: Is Cody paying Janelle's mortgage? Is Cody paying Christine's or
Speaker 1: Mary's mortgage or groceries or utilities? I feel like those
Speaker 1: when those women were taking care of their own household,
Speaker 1: which Cody actually says in this episode, while he was
Speaker 1: taking care of your household. Yeah, which then allows you
Speaker 1: to take your TLC salary and invest into Kensiean villages
Speaker 1: bullshit and Rolex watches and gold jewelry and all manner
Speaker 1: of assets, trailers and otherwise giving you a profound leg up.
Speaker 1: How is that confusing to you, bitch?
Speaker 2: And how is that fair? When the other wives were
Speaker 2: talking about struggling to feed their kids and pay their
Speaker 2: fucking bills when we were watching season five, and Christine's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot to pay the water bill, Like I miss
Speaker 2: that because she's the one running her entire household. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: you're over there in your diesel genes, sucking Cody's dick,
Speaker 2: doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Break dancing too close to the sun beatras. It's just
Speaker 1: it's gotta be falling apart, right, guys, Like they can't
Speaker 1: actually be moving into a four million dollars How would
Speaker 1: they be able to afford that? No, they don't have
Speaker 1: sponsorship deals, they don't have brand deals. They're not on
Speaker 1: ig like making money, right. I know they have a cameo,
Speaker 1: they have camo, but like, how much money does that
Speaker 1: actually bring in? They are living off of TLC and
Speaker 1: whatever gun business or online business they have in the background,
Speaker 1: which I would love. Oh my god, I would love
Speaker 1: to see the taxes. I would love to see the taxes.
Speaker 1: And if we have to go to trial because Christine
Speaker 1: needs to open the books to see how much Cody
Speaker 1: owes her for child support, like, maybe we'll see the taxes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wouldn't it be great that lady on
Speaker 2: YouTube I forget her name, with the glasses that covered
Speaker 2: the amber heard.
Speaker 1: Trial the lawyer Emily K.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't it be if they went to trial.
Speaker 1: Put it on the vision board. On the vision board, Oh,
Speaker 1: that would be so good. But the but the terrible
Speaker 1: lying that Robin is doing here discussing, it's just so
Speaker 1: awful to me.
Speaker 2: It's really really cood.
Speaker 1: Nobody believes you, Robin. How can you sit there in
Speaker 1: the McMansion with all that shit everywhere? And we saw
Speaker 1: like in previous seasons when they were having their trick
Speaker 1: or treat during COVID and she's opening the door to
Speaker 1: give candy, like all of the boxes of Amazon and
Speaker 1: this and that and all of the stuff they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how can you say that with a straight face? It's crazy, wicked.
Speaker 2: When she calls herself the idiot that still believes in
Speaker 2: this dream, Like she's saying, I could still be neighbors
Speaker 2: with Janelle. I could still be neighbors with Mary. I
Speaker 2: hope they still build on Coyote Pass. That would be
Speaker 2: so great and my dream would be fulfilled. It's like,
Speaker 2: you really want us to believe that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, you don't.
Speaker 2: You really want us to believe that you're telling the
Speaker 2: truth right now? Like it's crazy. Why don't you just
Speaker 2: say the fucking truth?
Speaker 1: It would be so much better. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: then we could start to find a way to maybe
Speaker 1: try and respect some of the decisions that you're making,
Speaker 1: trying to hold onto your assets because if something you
Speaker 1: were told by Cody or whatever, maybe it's because of
Speaker 1: trauma that you've come out of because your mother was
Speaker 1: also in polyagumia. I don't know, but like, why don't
Speaker 1: you tell the truth just instead of just bullface lying
Speaker 1: yet wild?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, And then we kind of hear more
Speaker 2: about Cody's relationship with Maddie or lack thereof, because while
Speaker 2: they're going Maddie and Janelle are going up to Montana.
Speaker 2: Janelle in her talking head is like, Yeah, Cody doesn't
Speaker 2: really have a relationship with Maddie. And then we hear
Speaker 2: Cody on and on about the gossip mill and how
Speaker 2: he doesn't trust Janelle, doesn't trust Maddie and it's a
Speaker 2: two way street. Though she doesn't reach out to me,
Speaker 2: so therefore I won't reach out to her.
Speaker 1: And I know that triggers you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it pisses me off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not triggered by it because I've that's never
Speaker 1: happened to me. Yeah, but I know as a child
Speaker 1: of divorce, why don't you speak to it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Should we go uncensored for it?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's come back to their regular pod. We were
Speaker 1: actually for a while we were talking on Uncensored. If
Speaker 1: you guys want to hear all of the uncensored bits,
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what was I saying.
Speaker 2: Cody triggering me about the yeah, the two way street
Speaker 2: bullshit that he's giving with Maddie.
Speaker 1: Right, And the thing I was saying was that even
Speaker 1: though Maddie is an adult, even though she's almost thirty
Speaker 1: years old, Cody is always going to be the parent,
Speaker 1: and even though it might be difficult, it's still his
Speaker 1: responsibility to initiate any kind of a healing process with
Speaker 1: Maddie and his other children. They might be upset, they
Speaker 1: might be no contact, but it's up to you to
Speaker 1: try and make a bridge that everybody can heal, because
Speaker 1: that's just the job. They didn't ask to be born
Speaker 1: into this world. They certainly didn't ask to be born
Speaker 1: into this polygamous family. You brought them into this experience,
Speaker 1: and so you are the caretaker of the experience. And
Speaker 1: if you don't like that, because it doesn't feel good
Speaker 1: for you now that you're fifty four with your new
Speaker 1: new bile breakdancing wife, then that's your fault exactly. At
Speaker 1: least accept that this broke down because of me. Stop
Speaker 1: putting it back on your kids.
Speaker 2: But he fucking can't accept any responsibility. It's so frustrating
Speaker 2: to me because I'm like, you are an adult of
Speaker 2: a certain age, a big age, and you are still
Speaker 2: acting like this, like what are you gonna do on
Speaker 2: your deathbed? He's going to be one of those guys
Speaker 2: that as he gets older, he's just going to become
Speaker 2: more and more crotchety push everybody and his family away
Speaker 2: and then wonder why he dies alone. He's going to
Speaker 2: be that guy. Mm hmm, I swear it pisses me
Speaker 2: off so much.
Speaker 1: Well, and or Robin will be there and her kids
Speaker 1: will be there, and that'll be enough for him because
Speaker 1: he will be so estranged from the rest of his family.
Speaker 1: But that's going out sad. Yeah, death is going out sad, yep,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: And he talks about how the time in Vegas with
Speaker 2: Maddie and Caleb, living with them in the Four Plots
Speaker 2: and the cul de Sac was the best time of
Speaker 2: his life and how he loved Caleb and he loved
Speaker 2: having his family all together. And I'm like, then, why
Speaker 2: don't you lean into that, because if you lean into
Speaker 2: the love of your whole entire family, you could heal
Speaker 2: a lot of the relationships you have that you've broken.
Speaker 2: It would take just an apology and an acknowledgement.
Speaker 1: Ownership, like I really fucked that up. Yeah, And here's
Speaker 1: my thinking behind what I did, and this is why
Speaker 1: it was wrong, you know, here's how I came to
Speaker 1: the realization that it is wrong, and here's my plan
Speaker 1: to do things differently and change the situation going forward,
Speaker 1: like take actual responsibility. But he's a narcissist. We can't
Speaker 1: keep expecting narcissists to have this kind of an awareness.
Speaker 1: They just don't. You can't take a narcissist to therapy
Speaker 1: because they will weaponize therapized words and therapized processes and
Speaker 1: then use it against you to make you even more miserable.
Speaker 1: They're broken people, and I'm sorry, I just think there's
Speaker 1: like no help for people like this. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: hoping he's going to get better, because you're right, he's
Speaker 1: going to get worse with age. I was just watching
Speaker 1: this episode. I'm like, every single one of you needs
Speaker 1: to be in therapy. Mary, go to conventional therapy, not
Speaker 1: Mormon therapy, not therapy with your spiritual elders. Get an
Speaker 1: actual conventional therapist, and dedicate yourself to years of therapy. Janelle,
Speaker 1: you two, I mean, you're pretty well adjusted. You seem
Speaker 1: to be happy and okay, as you were telling Christine,
Speaker 1: but you also need therapy because how did you get
Speaker 1: here in the first place. How did you make such
Speaker 1: a series of disastrous choices to get you and to
Speaker 1: hurt your children the way that you did. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about that enough. With Janelle. We really hurt your children.
Speaker 1: Garrison was a hurt child, of course. And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make anybody feel bad, but like, there are
Speaker 1: things that you did for reasons that you are unconscious
Speaker 1: to that allowed you to hurt these kids, and this
Speaker 1: allow this man to hurt your kids. Go to therapy,
Speaker 1: and Christine, honey, girl, I know you're happy you're in
Speaker 1: your honeymoon taken down, but you need therapy too. Everybody does.
Speaker 1: The only person who would not benefit from therapy, in
Speaker 1: my opinion is Cody and Robin because they're actually to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a doctor, they strike me as actual narcissists. Yes,
Speaker 1: when you've got Robin sitting on the couch lying like
Speaker 1: that to our faces, our raccoon faces. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no.
Speaker 2: Hope for her, Yeah, there really isn't unless she comes
Speaker 2: out and it's like, yeah, I'm gonna leave Cody too.
Speaker 2: I realize he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was lying all these years. I was
Speaker 1: trying to make it work and trying to get everybody
Speaker 1: to believe because I didn't have any money.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, then we would be fine with you.
Speaker 1: But even that's calculated. Yeah, because you should have done
Speaker 1: that at the right time.
Speaker 2: True, but she's not. And then we have Christine visiting
Speaker 2: Janelle and Flagstaff.
Speaker 1: This was interesting, This was really good. Like, listen, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people love Christine, and we love
Speaker 1: that Christine left Cody and so deeply broke him. I mean,
Speaker 1: the reason we have the spinning top that is Cody
Speaker 1: Brown just being an awful person is because Christine felt
Speaker 1: empowered enough to walk away from him. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: the gate that she's annoying as fuck. She's judgmental to Janelle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she has her own ideas of the way that the
Speaker 1: world should work. And I guess now that she's no
Speaker 1: longer the biggest advocate for polygamy and the biggest advocate
Speaker 1: for the aub now all of a sudden, everybody else
Speaker 1: has to have the same opinion and in the same timeline.
Speaker 1: She's ridiculous. I apologize, break down, breakdown the scene for me.
Speaker 1: But she was so annoying to me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was actually talking to Ethel about it
Speaker 2: because she was so mad at Christine. She's like, can
Speaker 2: you just lay off of Janelle? Like, police, why are
Speaker 2: you trying to tell her what to do, like, let
Speaker 2: Janelle make her own decisions. And I was talking to
Speaker 2: Ethel about it. I'm like, it's the aries in Christine,
Speaker 2: like the ram just being so fucking pushy and just
Speaker 2: be like, let me tell you how to do your life,
Speaker 2: let me tell you how to fix your life. And
Speaker 2: I was talking to Ethel about it, I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: a fire sign thing, because I feel like we're kind
Speaker 2: of hot headed people and we just want to tell
Speaker 2: people how to live their lives, even though we don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck we're talking about most of the time.
Speaker 2: And we also don't live our lives by our own
Speaker 2: advice a lot of the time. So it's like Christine
Speaker 2: trying to tell Janelle how to break up with Cody
Speaker 2: and how to separate all of her assets when Janelle's
Speaker 2: finances are fucking entangled so much more than everyone else.
Speaker 2: Like Christine, you got to sell your house and leave yep,
Speaker 2: you had nothing tying yourself, like you got rid of
Speaker 2: Coyote Pass and you were done, it was clean. Janelle
Speaker 2: can't do that. And Janelle's trying to figure it all out,
Speaker 2: so let her just figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty two winter of Like Christine, you just
Speaker 1: walked away I think September of twenty twenty two, right,
Speaker 1: based on that timeline, So it's been a few months.
Speaker 1: You don't have all the answers. This is what kills me,
Speaker 1: yes about these women, the Mary Browns, the hashtag worthy ups,
Speaker 1: these women who have clear and present problems. Olivia Plath,
Speaker 1: Olivia Plath and Christine, you have clear and present problems,
Speaker 1: and you presume to sit on a couch and tell
Speaker 1: Janelle how to be in her own process. It's just
Speaker 1: so self absorbed and so tone deaf. But that's just Christine.
Speaker 1: That's also Machelti. It must have been like the family
Speaker 1: she came up in. By the end of this episode,
Speaker 1: we have her telling us that she gets it now,
Speaker 1: But I don't think she gets it. I think she's
Speaker 1: actually really judgmental. And to the degree that Cody and
Speaker 1: Robin believe there's a gossip mill, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: Christine's right in the center of that gossip mill. She
Speaker 1: loves to make television talking about Cody Brown and all
Speaker 1: of the things that he's done wrong. Having the whole
Speaker 1: family there, even the kids, talking about Robin, like she
Speaker 1: lives for.
Speaker 2: That shit totally. But also, like Janelle said to Cody
Speaker 2: in her talking head, like Cody leaks like a sieve.
Speaker 2: He's also gossiping and saying shit to o their wives
Speaker 2: about the other wives. So like everybody talks about everybody
Speaker 2: in this family, which to some degree is normal in
Speaker 2: a big, giant folman like this. I mean everybody's talking crab.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course a lot of it is true,
Speaker 2: like with the stuff about Cody and Robin, like it's
Speaker 2: not gossip. They're just bitching about the fact that you
Speaker 2: guys are pieces of crap, right, But like Christine is
Speaker 2: totally at the head of it, and Christine needs to
Speaker 2: chill out and just let people figure it out on
Speaker 2: their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just doesn't work. It's not gonna work with
Speaker 1: a personality like Janelle, who is so in her own body, Honey,
Speaker 1: She's so in her own life, she's so in her
Speaker 1: own purpose and vision. Like she's getting it together. She's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out right now what it is she
Speaker 1: wants exactly. She loves flag stuff, But eh, I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't hang out here because Cody and Robin are here,
Speaker 1: and I also love Montana, and I love Cody and
Speaker 1: not Cody, but Caleb and Maddie. And so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different things at play right now. So just
Speaker 1: give me a little space and breath and time, Christine
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, please for me to figure that out for
Speaker 1: myself without you telling me what to do. That it's
Speaker 1: just not who she is. I can see that clear
Speaker 1: as day. And it's kind of wild to me that
Speaker 1: Christine doesn'tand that about her and or is such a
Speaker 1: boundary stomper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like I can understand to an extent
Speaker 2: why Christine is so fired up about it because she
Speaker 2: is single. She's fucking David Woolley probably at this point
Speaker 2: or dating him or something. I don't know, I don't care,
Speaker 2: but like she's happy, and like she wants to have
Speaker 2: Janelle be happy, and so I understand the sentiment. But
Speaker 2: like again, like.
Speaker 3: Just take it down if you're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just an essential immaturity with Christine. I remember
Speaker 1: being like a no at all when I was in
Speaker 1: my twenties and stuff. But like Christine, you're in your
Speaker 1: fifties for real, and your life is a shit show.
Speaker 1: Your life is an actual shit show on TLC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like, don't presume to tell anybody else what they
Speaker 1: need to do and the pace that they need to
Speaker 1: move at. That's just not how we want to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's probably doing all of her interviews at
Speaker 2: this time, like all of the stuff's probably been filmed,
Speaker 2: so she's like on a high right now, and so
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm the shit. Everybody else needs to come
Speaker 2: on my level, right yea, but it's annoying. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: Janelle's kind of talking to Christine about like Cody and
Speaker 2: Coyote Pass and how he's not talking to her and
Speaker 2: like all of their stuff is over text, and so
Speaker 2: she needs to get a lawyer and she's tired of
Speaker 2: this wishy washy bullshit or no Cody says that. Cody
Speaker 2: says that he's annoyed with Janelle because she's going back
Speaker 2: and forth with him and it's very ambiguous. Yeah, ambiguous,
Speaker 2: and he's frustrated with it. And this is where Mary starts.
Speaker 1: Laughing, Yes, I loved it.
Speaker 2: Oh this was so good. She's like, yeah, so the
Speaker 2: thing that you're frustrated Janelle's doing to you, you did
Speaker 2: the same bullshit to me. Karma's a bitch.
Speaker 1: Which is wonderful and true, but also, can we just
Speaker 1: get real, Mary, if we all knew, you know, watching
Speaker 1: forty minutes a week for I don't know, fifteen episodes
Speaker 1: a year, if we all knew that Cody wanted nothing
Speaker 1: to do with you, if we felt, as an audience said,
Speaker 1: it was loud and clear his intent with you, how
Speaker 1: come you didn't? And again it's probably the faith. And
Speaker 1: again it's probably her prioritizing her perception of her love
Speaker 1: relationship with Cody and how much she wanted to get
Speaker 1: back to that. But at the same time, like you
Speaker 1: weren't a victim necessarily, like you had a whole banana
Speaker 1: in your mouth in a bathtub talking to a man
Speaker 1: that I know you would have left if he was
Speaker 1: a real man.
Speaker 3: We all know you would have left. You were ready
Speaker 3: to leave when you were in Alaska. Uh huh, Okay,
Speaker 3: you sat down to that dinner in Alaska and you
Speaker 3: were ready to tell them, look, I'm on my way
Speaker 3: out the door. So it's not like this whole thing
Speaker 3: was done to you, you were complicit in it. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, any opportunity she takes a potshot
Speaker 3: at Cody, I love it and her reveling in how
Speaker 3: uncomfortable Janelle's lack of communication makes him, Like I live
Speaker 3: for that. Yeah, anything that pokes him, I endorse.
Speaker 2: I love it. And it is totally the same kind
Speaker 2: of energy as Christine, though, like now that you're away
Speaker 2: from it and you're doing your hashtag worthy of like
Speaker 2: you think you're better than everybody when you're like also
Speaker 2: a huge mess. But I thought that was such a
Speaker 2: good can and I want more of that from Mary
Speaker 2: all season. They too, so so good. But I will
Speaker 2: say though, Cody did admit later in some talking head
Speaker 2: where he had said he was trying to make their
Speaker 2: relationship work when he was talking about Mary Yes getting
Speaker 2: her spiritual divorce or whatever, he admitted to it. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I tried to tell her in Flagstaff maybe it'll be
Speaker 2: a new beginning, and like, I tried really hard. So
Speaker 2: he's saying on camera that he was going back and
Speaker 2: forth with Mary.
Speaker 1: Yes and sending mixed messages. But at the same time
Speaker 1: that he's saying that, he's like, I tried to be curious,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't fun. Yeah, she wasn't good to be around.
Speaker 1: She's an angry person and I'm just like God, the
Speaker 1: way he so glibly just puts her down and decimates
Speaker 1: her like as a woman is so sad to see,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't think twice about saying something that is
Speaker 1: going to break her heart. And just last week she's
Speaker 1: talking to her friend Brandy and she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I want to take the high road, I want to
Speaker 1: be kind, and here he is just being so despicable
Speaker 1: to her. Now when he's talking about this though, Beatrice,
Speaker 1: we kind of get into some of the history and
Speaker 1: some of the lore about Mary and Cody. And remember
Speaker 1: how you know, over the pod, like probably over the
Speaker 1: last year, I was talking a little bit about that therapy,
Speaker 1: that therapy session that Cody went in with Mary, and
Speaker 1: how he talked about like how he didn't know the
Speaker 1: baggage that Mary brought into the relationship and there were
Speaker 1: things he didn't know about Mary that he wished he
Speaker 1: would have known. And I'm like, well, I wish you
Speaker 1: would have elaborated on that. Well, now I think this
Speaker 1: is starting to come out, and it's the fact that
Speaker 1: Mary brought her toxic anger into the relationship and Cody
Speaker 1: tells a story about like offering her a piece of gum,
Speaker 1: and she snaps at him and says, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't like spear mint, and you know what, I believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1: And then he talks about how Janelle entered into the
Speaker 1: relationship and that diluted his relationship with Mary and his
Speaker 1: exposure really to her anger. So Janelle becomes a meat
Speaker 1: shield so he doesn't have to be the sole beneficiary
Speaker 1: of all of Mary's toxicity. And so now we have
Speaker 1: problems with Mary and Janelle, and Janelle actually leaves at
Speaker 1: one point and moves back to Wyoming or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we bring on Christine, and Cody actually admits
Speaker 1: that bringing Christine on saved the relationships. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: because Christine came, it diluted Mary even more so. Now
Speaker 1: she had not just one focal point, which is Cody.
Speaker 1: Now she's got three adults that she can spread her
Speaker 1: misery around, and then a bunch of kids that some
Speaker 1: of these kids say she went on to abuse. So
Speaker 1: I actually believe this about Mary. Yeah, and maybe the
Speaker 1: baggage he's talking about is like her family, her trauma
Speaker 1: or her family toxic culture. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting to learn about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting, but I do think
Speaker 2: he's saying all of that just to make her look bad.
Speaker 2: But then at the same time, we see the fact
Speaker 2: that Christina and Janelle don't really have a relationship with Mary.
Speaker 2: There's obviously a reason why, because Mary's seems like a
Speaker 2: big old bitch. Maybe everybody's over it. Yeah, maybe she's
Speaker 2: better now with her hashtag worthy up and stuff. Who
Speaker 2: fucking knows, But it doesn't change like thirty years of
Speaker 2: her being toxic and terrible. But then I'm like, at
Speaker 2: the same time, when he's talking about Mary's baggage, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what about your baggage? Dude, what about you being a
Speaker 2: piece of shit? Like, I know you're you've been exceptionally
Speaker 2: terrible the last like ten years or so, but I
Speaker 2: feel like you were a peach back then. Either. I
Speaker 2: feel like you were also pretty terrible, and you were
Speaker 2: a twenty something dude who thought that being in a
Speaker 2: terrible relationship with the first girl, Oh, you know what
Speaker 2: the solution would be, Let's bring in another woman. Oh
Speaker 2: that doesn't work, Okay, Let's bring in another woman. And
Speaker 2: then thirty years later say you don't love any of them,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's true, Like maybe you didn't love any
Speaker 2: of them from the get go. It's not true you
Speaker 2: were dumb and brought in these women to think it
Speaker 2: would make it everything better. But I don't freaking believe that.
Speaker 1: Nobody believes that. I believe he fell out of love
Speaker 1: with them, yeah, but I believed at one point he
Speaker 1: did love them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, he's not a peach. I think he was dealing
Speaker 1: with a woman who had some personality issues. That would
Speaker 1: be Mary, and I think Mary took it out on Janelle.
Speaker 1: We have scenes in flag Staff, so recent scenes where
Speaker 1: they're trying to work out their relationship. But Janelle has
Speaker 1: been so injured in this relationship. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I have the band with Mary to even
Speaker 1: try to go to therapy with you because of the
Speaker 1: shit that I have been through with you. So Mary
Speaker 1: sounds like she was a pretty terrible person. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: at some point, probably about ten years ago, when this
Speaker 1: whole thing started, Cody's like, I'm done, I've got this.
Speaker 1: I've got this new woman.
Speaker 3: I love her, actually feel what real love feels like.
Speaker 3: And maybe he did, maybe, And so maybe that's a
Speaker 3: revelation to him, and he slowly but surely starts falling
Speaker 3: out of love with the others. But Mary, you had
Speaker 3: something to do with.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, And then we have Cody talking about how
Speaker 2: he's not a victim, but he ever had a choice
Speaker 2: to leave these women because of his faith. But then
Speaker 2: he says he doesn't want to disparage his faith, but
Speaker 2: then calls it bullshit.
Speaker 1: Right, you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2: Like why you keep going back and forth?
Speaker 1: Man, when did you I want to know, when did
Speaker 1: you walk away from the faith because it's convenient for
Speaker 1: you to say, well, my faith says I can't divorce them.
Speaker 1: They have to make the choice. And then out of
Speaker 1: the other side of your mouth say well, but my
Speaker 1: faith is bullshit, right, Like, which one is it? It's
Speaker 1: what's convenient for you to make you look less like
Speaker 1: an evil person or the evil person that you are,
Speaker 1: So everything is so convenient for him.
Speaker 2: And then again like you're not taking any accountability because
Speaker 2: you're saying the og three wives kicked you out, as
Speaker 2: if you weren't trying to get the fuck out of there.
Speaker 2: Then he says something really weird where he's like, I
Speaker 2: never would have left any of them, even though I
Speaker 2: don't love them anymore. I never would have left them,
Speaker 2: but they made a choice. They wanted to leave, and
Speaker 2: so everybody made choices. I guess I maybe made some
Speaker 2: choices that maybe have separated.
Speaker 1: Maybe I did, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Probably not, but not really though. Yeah. I'm not a victim, though,
Speaker 2: but I got kicked out of my club, I'm excommunicated
Speaker 2: for my club that I started.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand how he arranges and organizes his
Speaker 1: life in the way that he sees it. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. I think he's referring to Mary kicking him
Speaker 1: out of the house in Vegas during the whole Catfish
Speaker 1: debacle for a period of time, probably because he was
Speaker 1: never really coming around and hated her guts in the
Speaker 1: first place, and so because she needed a little bit
Speaker 1: of space from him, he took that as she kicked
Speaker 1: me out. Now I don't ever have to see her again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then of course Christine does the same thing because
Speaker 1: she gets to the end of her rope because they're
Speaker 1: not fucking anymore and he's not giving her any attention whatsoever,
Speaker 1: much lesser kids. And then with Janelle it took longer
Speaker 1: because she was holding on because she believed in the
Speaker 1: vision until maybe that fight at Christmas. Yeah, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: then fuck you, and he takes that as her telling
Speaker 1: him that he can't be with her anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: remember a time Janelle ever said get out of my house.
Speaker 2: No, except for that big fight at Christmas last season.
Speaker 2: But he was walking out of exact he.
Speaker 1: Was like, no, I'm not going to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and he's walking out of the place on his own.
Speaker 1: So it's just again, it's all very convenient for him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he can't take a terrible person and I hate him.
Speaker 1: We do not prefer him so much.
Speaker 2: And then we have like more in the conversation with
Speaker 2: Christine and Janelle about Thanksgiving plans, like holiday plans. Janelle's like,
Speaker 2: I'm never coordinating a holiday with Cody ever again, which
Speaker 2: we love. This is where Cody's like, I'm kicked out.
Speaker 2: I have FOMO. I want to be included, but nobody
Speaker 2: wants my club.
Speaker 1: But I got kicked out of it. Okay, fuck you
Speaker 1: removed yourself from your other families. You did that, you
Speaker 1: made those choices, But I mean, like, let's not splitters.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I guess. And then we talk about
Speaker 2: the Christmas text chat, yes, which we talked about last season,
Speaker 2: we get more into it, I guess because we hear
Speaker 2: from Right and Brianna yep, who have clearly been coached,
Speaker 2: brainwashed by their mother because their mother saw the feedback
Speaker 2: and the backlash from everybody when last season Aurora said
Speaker 2: that they heard that they weren't a part of the family.
Speaker 1: Somebody had told them, and everybody said, including us, well,
Speaker 1: that must have been Robin. Maybe it was Michelt, and
Speaker 1: then Robin told them, but it was probably Robin. And
Speaker 1: so because everybody said that, Robin has taken pains, obviously
Speaker 1: to me to tell her adult children get into that
Speaker 1: couch and say that those kids told you directly that
Speaker 1: you weren't part of the family, so that nobody thinks
Speaker 1: it was me. Yeah, that was the one that was
Speaker 1: telling you that. Yeah, And so they do their mother's bidding,
Speaker 1: and I had to fast forward through it. I was
Speaker 1: just like, these poor kids, they're adult kids, but like,
Speaker 1: have their brains formed at all?
Speaker 2: No, because your brain's not formed until you're twenty five.
Speaker 2: I don't know how old Aurora is, though maybe she's
Speaker 2: twenty five. I don't fucking know, but I'm like, you
Speaker 2: can think for yourself. But Aurora is sitting there saying,
Speaker 2: I've been told directly by multiple people, on multiple different
Speaker 2: occasions that I was not accepted and that I was
Speaker 2: not their sister. And I'm like, by who though, Because
Speaker 2: wasn't it last season at Isabelle's party or whatever, and
Speaker 2: you have all this footage of everybody hugging you guys
Speaker 2: and accepting you into the family, and you guys were
Speaker 2: happy and talking to everyone, and it.
Speaker 1: Was you know what I think it is. I think
Speaker 1: it's like season three, season four, when Peyden was being
Speaker 1: a bully with the kids when they're coming into the family.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can see a world where Peyden may
Speaker 1: have said some bullshit to those girls because we could
Speaker 1: see him kind of doing that anyway, So I can
Speaker 1: see when they were little kids, there was maybe trouble
Speaker 1: with some of those kids, but they obviously worked it out.
Speaker 1: I also want to say last season or the season before,
Speaker 1: I think it was Gabe saying I think it was
Speaker 1: last season. Gabe was like, yeah, I see Aurora at
Speaker 1: college and we stop or in school, yes, and we
Speaker 1: stop in the halls and we always talk with each other.
Speaker 1: And I love her a lot, and yes, and I
Speaker 1: think she even talked spoke to that on the couch
Speaker 1: last season, like yeah, I do see Gabe and it's good.
Speaker 1: He's my brother. Like so what's changed then, right, but
Speaker 1: how did this happen? You guys are spinning fucking yarns.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You're lying like your mom yep, and everybody can tell.
Speaker 1: And you ought to stop.
Speaker 2: I know, but they're like, they're kids and they're under
Speaker 2: she's not a kid. Well I know, but they're under
Speaker 2: their roof. No, and they're under their manipulation.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they're not kids. So at some point you
Speaker 1: have to take responsibility if you're getting up on a
Speaker 1: couch and you're talking about these other adult children who
Speaker 1: tried to include you in the Christmas chat. They were
Speaker 1: trying to include you, and then Robin inserted herself and said,
Speaker 1: let's get on a zoom and we're like, I can't
Speaker 1: get on a zoom. I got a family and then
Speaker 1: I'll become a big deal. Yeah, but they were including
Speaker 1: you then, right, So getting on the couch and saying
Speaker 1: this is just shameful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now shameful Robin's saying on the couch here, saying,
Speaker 2: my kids emotionally unsafe, and I'm like, how in a
Speaker 2: text message, Yeah, we are you kidding me? This is
Speaker 2: the brainwashing though, and like maybe Aurora and Brianna will
Speaker 2: wake up to it eventually, Like maybe when they move
Speaker 2: out of their house and they become their own people,
Speaker 2: separate from Cody and Robin, Like maybe they'll figure it
Speaker 2: out and get back in contact with the siblings, because
Speaker 2: that can happen, But I don't know right now. It's
Speaker 2: just fucking frustrating to sit in I don't need to
Speaker 2: see them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need to see the little flying monkeys
Speaker 1: that Robin is sending into the space in order to
Speaker 1: parrot her story. Nobody believes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Christine even said truly didn't even know that
Speaker 2: these kids weren't biologically her siblings. Yeah, like come on, yep,
Speaker 2: you guys were included. Yes, it's bullshit. And then Cody's
Speaker 2: saying some people in the family feel like they're superior,
Speaker 2: and is that just Maddie.
Speaker 1: I think it's Maddie. I know it's Maddie for sure,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I wonder who else he's referring to.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Logo, and I don't think it's Hunter.
Speaker 1: I know it's not Michelti. At this point, I don't
Speaker 1: know who it would be.
Speaker 2: I don't know either, Like who are you referring to?
Speaker 1: Maybe Aspen, maybe the boys too? For maybe the boys?
Speaker 1: Maybe the boys? Yeah? God? And who cares?
Speaker 2: No? I mean, then heal it serious and.
Speaker 3: There's a problem, there's a breakdown. You're the dad, get
Speaker 3: in there, do something about it.
Speaker 2: How about we talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go be fair.
Speaker 2: About it for real. With all that money you're siphoning
Speaker 2: off for the Dickenziean villages, you could pay for family therapy.
Speaker 2: He could, good Lord. And then we have the wives
Speaker 2: kind of discussing about Cody, like when he was around
Speaker 2: when he wasn't around, and that's how the episode ends.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll just conclude it there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care either he wasn't there. Nobody cares
Speaker 1: except for Robin.
Speaker 2: Robin being like, yeah, I had to be independent.
Speaker 1: Well, but she was like, no, it wasn't different when
Speaker 1: he was there versus when he wasn't there. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's cause he was always there.
Speaker 2: He was always there.
Speaker 1: Robin bitch, so stupid.
Speaker 2: And then we have a preview we have the family.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about that. There was
Speaker 2: an upcoming event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Gwendolen's engagement. I think it's Gwendolen's engagement.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's weird that they're not saying that though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, why are you being vague about it?
Speaker 1: Is it the engagement party? It's not Gwendolen's marriage, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so everybody's going to get together and nobody's
Speaker 2: talking to each other. It's going to be really weird.
Speaker 2: And Cody says it's.
Speaker 1: A civil war, yeah, where it's.
Speaker 2: Just him and Robin and then the rest of.
Speaker 1: The family acting awkward with their weights and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Michelt might have to have a C section
Speaker 2: story and she's crying about it for real, I'm sick
Speaker 2: of her. Go back to Patreon. I have enough with
Speaker 2: your mom, Oh my god. And then Robin planning to
Speaker 2: be there at the birth of her twins also don't care, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do not care. It's going to be awkward, all right,
Speaker 2: guess what.
Speaker 1: I loved this episode.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 3: I go into every episode thinking I'm going to be
Speaker 3: triggered af and I am, oh, yeah, it's the entire time.
Speaker 1: I'm in a rage, honey.
Speaker 3: Same sure my blood pressure, where's my beta blockers?
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed it because we're starting to get into
Speaker 1: areas yeah, that I'm very curious about, namely the money.
Speaker 1: And finally we've got some wives calling shit out.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: I love it as well. Well, is there anything else
Speaker 1: that we need to say to these beautiful raccoons before
Speaker 1: we get up on at it here?
Speaker 2: Bah Jess, Well, if you love our podcast, I sure
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Speaker 1: We will be back later this week to talk the
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Speaker 1: We're also going to be catching up with Welcome to Platfor.
Speaker 1: We are one week late on Platfor, Sorry about that.
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