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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one

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<v Speaker 1>of your hosts, Delia here with my real Tight Homegirl

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<v Speaker 1>and my daughter in law Petra.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, everybody, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are here to talk Sister Wives, Season nineteen, episode two,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Coins episode, for which I am

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<v Speaker 1>very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>We love the coin.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of information. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to remember it all, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to kids. I got so excited pet. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into it, we do want to remind you to

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<v Speaker 1>please how'd your wife it had your kids? This is

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<v Speaker 1>a politically incorrect podcast. We say bad words, we have

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<v Speaker 1>stupid opinions that you might not agree with, and that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>get over it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if your thoughts of you might.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fod yo another dumpster baby. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to party and talk about some Mormonism and some coins,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least we're not not growing.

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<v Speaker 2>I get Dan, When are we gonna get to four thousand?

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<v Speaker 1>Why aren't we at fifty thousand?

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<v Speaker 1>We also were intelligent or intelligent takes. They're not always right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, maybe we're a little stupid, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we're offering good God dept.

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<v Speaker 1>What on YouTube there's always a chew uh huh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always some kind of an algorithm problem. Yep, Okay, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety seconds. It's absolutely free. Yeah, and we love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from you do love to hear so who called in?

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<v Speaker 2>We have Raccoon Bronwyn and she's got a comment about

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<v Speaker 2>I think Cody Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, ey, the Raccoon Queens.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Bronwin. Hey, I had some thoughts I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to share with you. I am completely convinced that this

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<v Speaker 4>is the last season four Sister Wives. Here's why. So

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<v Speaker 4>they've been two years behind, and you guys talked about

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<v Speaker 4>that early are and now all of a sudden, because

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<v Speaker 4>of Garrison, they're going to have to bring it up

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<v Speaker 4>to current day. And they've already talked about in the

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<v Speaker 4>press release that they are going to be discussing Garrison's

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<v Speaker 4>death at some point. So they're bringing it up to

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<v Speaker 4>current day. And then what are they going to do.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all over the country and the everything is changing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to have enough content. I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>after this. Yes, that could be why Janelle moved and

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<v Speaker 4>how Cody and Robin are selling the house and all

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<v Speaker 4>of this stuff. I'm just really convinced that this is

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<v Speaker 4>it so curious to hear your thoughts, but yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing that I've heard takes me away from that conclusion.

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<v Speaker 4>It really sounds like that's what's happening. So Yep, they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have to find other jobs. Love it, Have

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<v Speaker 4>a great day, guys, good bye.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Well, what are your thoughts? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like we're at a crossroads. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we could just cancel the show right

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<v Speaker 2>now because it's not really Sister Wives anymore. It's Cody

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<v Speaker 2>and Robin and then the OG three, which everybody I

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<v Speaker 2>think would want to see a spinoff of the OG three,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would want to see what Janelle's doing in

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<v Speaker 2>her life and all that kind of stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 2>could see a world where it gets canceled. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it won't. I feel like they're gonna keep

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<v Speaker 2>going at least to season twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that this being the highest rated show

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<v Speaker 1>on TLC, this production company and this family, well in

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<v Speaker 1>particular Cody Brown, is very interested in keeping the show going.

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<v Speaker 1>They might have to get creative. They might have to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink how they want to show us this family. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go to North Carolina with ta Ada

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<v Speaker 1>Farms and Janelle and Maddie and Caleb. What are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend more time with Christine and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>ma Her haunted BnB. I mean I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if there's enough there though, to make a compelling show.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes Sister Wives compelling is the underlying family dynamics,

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<v Speaker 1>which now in the last few seasons have come to

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<v Speaker 1>the surface and so it's full on drama and we've

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting for it, and that's what makes it good,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I was saying last week that I

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<v Speaker 1>think Cody really is invested in portraying a villain. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>he feels that way or not, I feel like he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he needs to do that in order to keep

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<v Speaker 1>this on the television. So I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>really want to try and create some additional seasons. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know what we're going to do. And furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>if I may, they're going to do what they did

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<v Speaker 1>with Christine's wedding last year. They're going to fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>us to an event that happens in a current timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in the next consecutive season they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go right back to two years ago. Of course, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't give a shit. This is how they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that's why the show goes on

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<v Speaker 2>because they do backlog their content because they don't really

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot going on in general, Like even season seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the biggest thing was Christine leaving, right, But like,

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<v Speaker 2>prior to that, what were we watching? Like nothing? Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we were watching Cody and Robin, b Cody

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<v Speaker 2>and Robin and then the OG three you know, going

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<v Speaker 2>too like a picnic or like something dumb like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I feel like they're gonna either have to

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<v Speaker 2>manufacture content or continue giving us old shit just to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the show running. Because Cody and Robin do need

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<v Speaker 2>a paycheck, they do need a job, yes, so I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they're gonna want the show to continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the only reason you've got the ratings you

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<v Speaker 1>have right now is because the wives and the kids

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<v Speaker 1>have left you. That's really the only reason because previous

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<v Speaker 1>to that, like you said, it was boring, although I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of us watched because, uh, in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways it was interesting to see this family try to

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<v Speaker 1>function and be together and that was I think compelling television.

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<v Speaker 1>But like now, the reason you've got people here is

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<v Speaker 1>because the ship is sinking. Yeah, so you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>the same problem as something like a Real Housewives franchise,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of started out in this innocent space of

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<v Speaker 1>like housewives and friends and lots of money and travel

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<v Speaker 1>and then turned into this garbage dumpster fire of toxic

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<v Speaker 1>women literally fighting each other, like I feel like, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to maintain the ratings we have now, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to stay dramatic, which I think Cody is willing

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and so is Robin, though she's gonna pretend

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<v Speaker 1>that she doesn't like it, right, and it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the other wives who probably walk away at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Janelle feels like she needs this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, she's gonna make money with her farm

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<v Speaker 2>and living with Maddie and Caleb and she'll be fine,

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<v Speaker 2>And same with Christine. She's got her own bullshit, Mary's

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<v Speaker 2>got her NLMs, like they're gonna be fine. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it might turn into like Welcome to Blatfell,

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<v Speaker 2>like this Currencys, where it's everybody's gotten divorced and now

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<v Speaker 2>we're just manufacturing bullshit that nobody wants to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Olivia speed dating, introducing characters nobody cares about.

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<v Speaker 2>Like literally, no one cares so unless you're gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>us real stuff or drama, because everybody's addicted to drama

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<v Speaker 2>and toxic trash, then nobody's gonna want to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I like the direction it's going right now, though,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're actually having some of the wives talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the real shit. We're actually getting into Coyote Pass, we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting into who's on the deed, we're getting into lawyers.

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<v Speaker 3>And all this stuff we've been rabig about for years

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<v Speaker 3>be addressed.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is good. I'm just wondering if they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep it up. I'm wondering if production is actually tapped

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<v Speaker 1>in with what most of us want, or if it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna fall apart, you know, and get super boring and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Michelty and Tony and twins and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about you being there at the birth, Robin,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Good it's probably gonna be a lot of that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need that. But TLC has a history of

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<v Speaker 2>not giving a shit about their fans, so they still

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would they change it?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly if they've got the highest ratings ever, why would

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<v Speaker 3>they change anything in the formula.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't. But I foresee certainly a season twenty yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably continuing to twenty one. Twenty two, twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>For real, I think we have a few years of

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<v Speaker 1>them trying to cobble it together. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to work, but they are going to try

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a cash cow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. I mean I can see up to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty But then after.

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<v Speaker 1>That, I'm like, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>What are we gonna watch? I mean, I'm still going

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<v Speaker 2>to watch them. Yeah, we're still watching. We're still in

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<v Speaker 2>the dumpster together, Like we're still doing rewind episodes and

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<v Speaker 2>I boring ass season, So like we're still going to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>And people that's like some of our most downloaded content

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<v Speaker 1>on the audio podcast. Everybody loves it. So we're still

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. Yeah, we're still here, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like if people are still going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it, it's still going.

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<v Speaker 4>To go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, even if it's going to be boring af yep. Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what's not boring? Christine is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be suing Cody Brown bitch, Oh I love it last week? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us, Well, Christine is going to sue Cody, or

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<v Speaker 2>is already suing Cody for retroactive child support up to

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<v Speaker 2>four years and custody, yes, truly, so probably full custody,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming, yeah, which I love.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it as well. She's fully entitled to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably going to have to do some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a paternity test because I don't think that's customary in

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<v Speaker 1>polygamous families. Right, he's obviously the father. All those kids

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<v Speaker 1>look the same. Yeah, and he's going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the hook based on what he makes. And if this

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<v Speaker 1>goes to say trial, and if we have something like

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<v Speaker 1>discovery and even depositions and we're going to go on record,

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<v Speaker 1>financials unless to keep it private. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they can. I'm not a lawyer, but hopefully Cody has

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<v Speaker 1>I agree to whatever. But she's entitled to it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very interesting that she waited until truly

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't what do you call it agency? I

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<v Speaker 1>Is she can choose where she lives and what parents

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<v Speaker 1>she spends her time with, and so truly can choose

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<v Speaker 1>to stay with Christine. He can't use visitation and custody

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<v Speaker 1>in that way to hang over Christine's head.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, so she did it on purpose like that, because

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<v Speaker 2>he would have thought it in court if she did

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<v Speaker 2>she's withholding custody of truly, like she's the evil person,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I shouldn't have to pay child support, but now

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<v Speaker 2>it's different. Now you do have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Custody interestingly, is not attached to visitation. Those are separate things.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people try to make it an issue. No, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you never see your kid, you are still on

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But he would have probably tried to do something manipulative like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I want to see truly fifty percent of the time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so truly truly fifteen percent of the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Christine, you're gonna have to drive your happy ass

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<v Speaker 1>from Salt Lake City the flag Staff twice a month.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it twice a month, and she's gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to stay here, yeah, and maybe go to school here.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have tried to do something like that definitly.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why she waited and she was smart to

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<v Speaker 2>I love to see it, and I hope she gets

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in child sport, because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like she's itching for money. It's not like she's poor,

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<v Speaker 2>she's successful. She's just doing this just to get at

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<v Speaker 2>Cody for all of the years he's robbed all of

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<v Speaker 2>the wives with der mcmhonsion and the weird figurines.

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<v Speaker 1>The assets, or as Mattie says, the assets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, and Robin's kids' cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, the fleet of cars that belong to Robin

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really interesting also that it's ropping kind

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<v Speaker 1>of at the same time that we have on the

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<v Speaker 1>television Janelle talking about lawyering up and having this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to see it, me too, want more of it,

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<v Speaker 2>me too.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if she doesn't need the money, technically she

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<v Speaker 1>can just put that right into a college fund, right

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<v Speaker 1>into any kind of fund that truly can draw from,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's eighteen, because you know Cody's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be supporting her. We know Cody doesn't give a crap

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<v Speaker 1>about truly, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to go make out with Robin when she

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like what the well? And last week at the

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<v Speaker 1>Sprinkle he's playing with Avalon and he's not even acknowledging

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<v Speaker 1>truly his daughter's sitting right there on the couch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's just sitting there, staring off into space. So

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<v Speaker 2>Dad doesn't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Make him pay Drag, drag drag. It's about damn time. Real,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a justice indeed, Lizzo. All right, So let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into the episode again, Season nineteen, episode two entitled.

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<v Speaker 2>Let There Be Light. Yes, interesting title. Yes, it starts

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<v Speaker 2>off pretty strong because you get right into the Coyote

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<v Speaker 2>Pass discussion, and it's with Janelle and Maddie because they're

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<v Speaker 2>heading up to Montana to go look at property and

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<v Speaker 2>they're in the car talking about Coyote Pass and how

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be paid off because apparently they still

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<v Speaker 2>haven't paid it off. I mean, this is twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two right right now, so we already know it's been

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<v Speaker 2>paid off. But they're talking about Cody dragging his feet

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<v Speaker 2>essentially like he's not prioritizing it. He doesn't really give

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<v Speaker 2>a shit. He's not talking to Janelle about it. She

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<v Speaker 2>wants a paid off so she can be done and

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<v Speaker 2>free from him, which is fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes one. And apparently, according to Janelle, Cody is not

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<v Speaker 1>just dragging his feet and not doing anything to pay

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<v Speaker 1>it off, but he's also not communicating with her and

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<v Speaker 1>telling her what the status of the property is and

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<v Speaker 1>what the plant, the over arching plant to pay off

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<v Speaker 1>the properties are, Like, he's just not doing it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have that lovely interstitial of him saying, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't talk to her about the property because that's

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<v Speaker 1>just information for the gossip mill, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>him saying that Janelle will tell Maddie. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of coming out. It's becoming clearer and clearer that

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<v Speaker 1>Cody thinks Maddie is a problem. Yeah, and she's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those kids who feels superior, who's in

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<v Speaker 1>a club and who is gossiping all the time about

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<v Speaker 1>him and Robin. So he doesn't want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Janelle because Janelle's going to talk to Maddie and then

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the kids are going to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>what his plans are financially.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so fucked up. And I think that shows

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<v Speaker 2>his financial abuse because he's you're not the sole owner

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<v Speaker 2>of this property, Like Janelle's name is on this shit,

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't you don't get to do that, my guy,

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<v Speaker 2>just because you're worried about your adult child who's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, thirty or something heading toward Yeah, something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, Like who gives shit what she says about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe be a better person.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would give a shit if I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>one of my children was a hound dog who was

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<v Speaker 1>pissed off about her mother getting the short end of

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<v Speaker 1>the stick and having her know about my financial situation

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<v Speaker 1>and know about all the art and all the phoenix's

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<v Speaker 1>rising and bears that are hugging, and crystal towers and

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<v Speaker 1>Dickensie and villages, like Maddie already knows about that, because

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<v Speaker 1>as they're in the car, Janelle talks about how Cody

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<v Speaker 1>has been storing assets trailers, and then of course this artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually calls out the artwork and they included in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, which I love because of course Cody and

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<v Speaker 1>Robin have just put up their house. We saw a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of that artwork, so obviously the kids are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this too. The wives are seeing this, and Janelle

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<v Speaker 1>says something like it was my kids who were getting

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<v Speaker 1>pissed off my adult children. And when I finally began

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<v Speaker 1>to see, oh, yeah, this isn't fair, it was because

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<v Speaker 1>of my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she even talks about like looking back through all

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<v Speaker 2>the years and how she would be stuck in a

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<v Speaker 2>rental or she'd be having to get used stuff or

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<v Speaker 2>use furniture or whatever. Meanwhile, Robin's backyard is fully finished,

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<v Speaker 2>and Robin's got all this artwork, and her house is

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<v Speaker 2>bigger and it's nicer, and she'd be like, huh, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm. I think Janelle was in denial for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time because she didn't want to think that this

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<v Speaker 2>guy she had trusted for thirty years or whatever would

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<v Speaker 2>do something so heinous. But he has been doing it

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<v Speaker 2>this entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that kind of leads me to this question

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<v Speaker 1>that I have about Janelle, because she's often referred to

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<v Speaker 1>like the record keeper and the financially astute wife and

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<v Speaker 1>the one who's bookkeeping everything and sees all the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and like does the taxes and stuff like that. But Janelle,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you set yourself up to walk away with nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Because at this point, as she's having this conversation with Maddie.

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<v Speaker 1>Cody could conceivably make the choice not to pay anything

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<v Speaker 1>further on the property on his end, and anything she

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<v Speaker 1>put toward it would just go away because that owner,

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimate owner, who creatively financed it, said, look, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a balloon payment. If you don't pay it, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Janelle not just loses the property, but any money

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<v Speaker 1>that she's put toward the property, because he has all

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<v Speaker 1>the power. Janelle, how did this happen? And what I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is is it's her faith, yep. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the fact that she trusted her faith, her religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and how Cody was framed within that to trust that

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<v Speaker 1>he would never hurt her or her children, And so

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<v Speaker 1>it was hard for her to actually see what her

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<v Speaker 1>kids could see as they got older, that it was

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<v Speaker 1>unfair polygmya is unfair to women, and she was getting

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<v Speaker 1>the short end of the stick. But you're not that smart.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I believe things that are kookie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my faith is a little weird, but I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I can also look at a ledger.

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<v Speaker 1>I can also look at an account. I can also

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<v Speaker 1>see where the money is going out of the family

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<v Speaker 1>LLC and where it's going to and she has said

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<v Speaker 1>in previous seasons, I see where it goes. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>you really need all that stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't have a casita, but you can have the

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<v Speaker 1>Dickenzian village. Why did she do it? I don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>other than the faith part, But even then it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to me. Beatrice, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at her and I'm like, maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 2>she was easily manipulated because of the faith, because like

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<v Speaker 2>Mary had her own separate money. But Mary was still

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<v Speaker 2>stupid and like really crazy loyal to Cody for over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade when he didn't give a shit about her.

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<v Speaker 2>Christine was loyal until the point where he cut off

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<v Speaker 2>all intimacy. It was like we're not gonna have a marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she's like, okaybye, I'm done. But she still

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<v Speaker 2>had separate finances. But like Janelle, I feel like was

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<v Speaker 2>the one Cody was able to manipulate the most and

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<v Speaker 2>be like no, like it's for the greater good, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this would be really fair for the family, if like

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<v Speaker 2>you could help us out with that, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>could maybe convince one of the other wives or something

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<v Speaker 2>to help us with this or whatever, like, can you

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Can you move things around? Like? I think

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<v Speaker 2>she was just coerced into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Janelle believed in the big picture of polygamy

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<v Speaker 1>according to her faith. I think Mary believed in the

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<v Speaker 1>love that she had with Cody A little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Mary ever really believed with her

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<v Speaker 1>whole body and soul in polygamy. I think she was

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<v Speaker 1>jealous a lot. And in this episode, Cody gets into

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's like constant anger and how it was distributed through

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships, but like she was in love with Cody,

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<v Speaker 1>Janelle was in love. With the faith difference, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the difference. And I guess when Christine decides

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<v Speaker 1>to get a divorce, she also decides to chuck her faith.

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<v Speaker 1>She no longer believes. I don't know if that's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer believes in fundamentalist Mormonism or aub Mormonism. Whether that

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<v Speaker 1>means she's no longer even LDS, because I do see

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<v Speaker 1>liquor in those cabinets, honey, So she's drinking, which Mormons

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<v Speaker 1>aren't supposed to do, but she is, like, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was easier for her to say I don't believe anymore

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<v Speaker 1>and so this marriage doesn't mean anything. I'm divorced.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I would do, but I'd be like, fuck

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<v Speaker 2>all this, Well, not Janelle and not Mary. Mary even

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<v Speaker 2>talks about it too. She still believes in the faith,

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00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:16.440
<v Speaker 2>which I'm just like why, I don't understand, but you.

423
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<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't know either. But now she's going to

424
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<v Speaker 1>be pursuing what she calls a release, which is a

425
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 1>dissolution or I don't it's a spiritual divorce. Yeah, And

426
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.880
<v Speaker 1>when she brought that to Cody, he was like resistant,

427
00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.640
<v Speaker 1>not because he doesn't want that, but because he doesn't

428
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<v Speaker 1>want to have to go to the elders and have

429
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<v Speaker 1>them look at his relationships and all the failures. And

430
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<v Speaker 1>I'm skipping ahead and I apologize. But like, that's how

431
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Mary wants to deal with it. She wants it to

432
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<v Speaker 1>be final and church ordained. Janelle doesn't need it to

433
00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.480
<v Speaker 1>be church ordained, but she also needs to go through

434
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<v Speaker 1>her own process.

435
00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's what doesn't make any sense to me, Like,

436
00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:54.559
<v Speaker 2>if you believe in the faith, why wouldn't you go

437
00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.720
<v Speaker 2>and get a spiritual release? Because Mary still believes in

438
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>the faith, and she's doing the spiritual release because she

439
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:02.799
<v Speaker 2>does not want to be sealed to eternity on cole

440
00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.279
<v Speaker 2>op with Cody fucking Brown. But Janelle still believes in it,

441
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to get the spiritual release, won't even call

442
00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it a divorce. So then I'm like, Okay, by your belief,

443
00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.799
<v Speaker 2>by your faith system, you are going to be internal

444
00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>eternally sealed to Cody Brown in heaven with col op

445
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:22.559
<v Speaker 2>or on col op.

446
00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.960
<v Speaker 1>But if she's open to polygamy with another husband, wouldn't

447
00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>she have to get released from this marriage in order

448
00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to enter into that marriage? Like at some point she's

449
00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:32.559
<v Speaker 1>going to have to get that release.

450
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, because I've talked to Ethel about that,

451
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:38.839
<v Speaker 2>and like Ethel's not fundamentalist Mormon, but she was LDS

452
00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.839
<v Speaker 2>and she said, like, I guess for the women, like

453
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:46.640
<v Speaker 2>you're still sealed to multiple partners, Like you still have

454
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.680
<v Speaker 2>to ask for the sealment or the unsealment or whatever

455
00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:53.559
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted that, but otherwise you're still sealed to

456
00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Cody Brown and sealed to this other guy.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So when Warren Jeff's comes into some man's

458
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<v Speaker 1>home and says, your wife is now my wife, they

459
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have to unseal that and do all the administrative stuff.

460
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.880
<v Speaker 1>They just move the wife over to another husband and

461
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just fine in the eyes of the Lord. Must

462
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>be nice to be a white man.

463
00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess, yeah, nice to be.

464
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:12.519
<v Speaker 1>A white Mormon.

465
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:13.680
<v Speaker 2>May yeah.

466
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Wow yeah, wow wow wow.

467
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy?

468
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, so that makes sense. Yeah, that's why Janelle

469
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:19.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel the need to do it.

470
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.200
<v Speaker 2>But that's weird. Why wouldn't you want to be unsealed

471
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.559
<v Speaker 2>from him like I would be. I'd be like, fuck you,

472
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll spend eternity alone.

473
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think she wants to fuck with it.

474
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.680
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't want to talk about it. She doesn't want

475
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>to have a conversation with Cody. She doesn't need to

476
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>say it's over. She's just like, I'm moving on. I

477
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>have a dream.

478
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I want to be with my kids. I want to

479
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:40.279
<v Speaker 3>have a piece of land. I want to be rural.

480
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a pig, a cow, and a garden.

481
00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Fuck Cody, I don't care. And I actually like that

482
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.160
<v Speaker 1>more for her because now Mary has to go to

483
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.559
<v Speaker 1>the aub I guess, yeah, the white male elders in

484
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that face, and she has to plead her case for

485
00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:58.359
<v Speaker 1>some kind of a release and like, why yeah.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean if you believe in the faith

487
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and you believe in that.

488
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 1>But it sounds like it's a lot. It sounds like

489
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>it's a whole thing.

490
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:04.440
<v Speaker 2>It is.

491
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Janelle's like, I don't want to do it, so no,

492
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>thank you. She's a Taurus. I get it. I really

493
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.880
<v Speaker 1>relate to Janelle.

494
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:11.640
<v Speaker 2>And maybe she is kind of a rug sweeper a

495
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit, I think, so yeah, oh god, So I

496
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>mean maybe she just doesn't want to deal with it.

497
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Just go and buy your flower farm, yep. And that's fine,

498
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not judging her for that. It's just like

499
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.599
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to say you believe in the faith,

500
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and why aren't you going the full mile? You know

501
00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.079
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? YEPA But back to the coins on

502
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Coyote Pass, when we're talking about the separation of assets

503
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and how Cody and Robin kept their stuff very separate.

504
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Robin has her own separate money.

505
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Can we all just download about that first of all?

506
00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>When Robin is talking about how she used to be

507
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 1>a bad budgeer like in bat with money, but now

508
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm really good with it, huh. And we actually have

509
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.119
<v Speaker 1>separate accounts, Cody and I and I take care of

510
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I have my own money, he has his own money.

511
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.799
<v Speaker 1>When she was talking all of that mad, duplicitous shit,

512
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.599
<v Speaker 1>she was actually breathless. I was noticing her body language

513
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>like she had a little flush in her cheeks. She

514
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.400
<v Speaker 1>was speaking a little fast, and she was trying to

515
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 1>catch her breath. I mean, just all indicators that she

516
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>is bold face lying. I cannot believe. I cannot believe

517
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the audacity of this woman because she knows that she's lying. Oh,

518
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.079
<v Speaker 1>she knows that we know that she's lying. She knows

519
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>her wives are watching this and they know that she's lying,

520
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and she's still doing it. That's what makes her wicked, beatrisses.

521
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Not just like stupid, not just opportunistic. She's wicked, Yes,

522
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking evil. When she was saying like it would be

523
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 1>too confusing to have to calculate how much money the

524
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.559
<v Speaker 1>other wives gave to her and Cody essentially and have

525
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 1>to figure that out, Okay, it all that, I mean, honey,

526
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>kiby even do that. I don't even know. It's easy, honey,

527
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>it's easy. How much did Janell transfer from her her

528
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>account into your account? How much did Mary transfer into

529
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>your account? So you could buy that home.

530
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep. And then the most evil comment to me that

531
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>she made was the fact that she was saying the

532
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>other wives didn't prioritize their money the way that she

533
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>prioritized her money. She had different priorities. She's an expert budgeter.

534
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's your fault you didn't prioritize your money

535
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:24.079
<v Speaker 2>well enough.

536
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's okay. We're just different in that way. Listen, bitch, bitch,

537
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 1>You've got Cody who's got his TLC salary and he

538
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. You've got your TLC salary and you don't work,

539
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and so maybe you guys get to separate those two

540
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.559
<v Speaker 1>salaries and you've got your own account, Robin. But who's

541
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>paying the mortgage?

542
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

543
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I bet it's Cody. Who's paying for the insurance. I

544
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 1>bet it's Cody. Who's paying for all the utilities and groceries.

545
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I bet it's Cody. And is Cody doing that for

546
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>his other wives?

547
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 4>Though?

548
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Is Cody paying Janelle's mortgage? Is Cody paying Christine's or

549
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Mary's mortgage or groceries or utilities? I feel like those

550
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 1>when those women were taking care of their own household,

551
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>which Cody actually says in this episode, while he was

552
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>taking care of your household. Yeah, which then allows you

553
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>to take your TLC salary and invest into Kensiean villages

554
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>bullshit and Rolex watches and gold jewelry and all manner

555
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 1>of assets, trailers and otherwise giving you a profound leg up.

556
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 1>How is that confusing to you, bitch?

557
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.359
<v Speaker 2>And how is that fair? When the other wives were

558
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>talking about struggling to feed their kids and pay their

559
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking bills when we were watching season five, and Christine's like, oh,

560
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to pay the water bill, Like I miss

561
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>that because she's the one running her entire household. Meanwhile,

562
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you're over there in your diesel genes, sucking Cody's dick,

563
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 2>doing nothing.

564
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Break dancing too close to the sun beatras. It's just

565
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it's gotta be falling apart, right, guys, Like they can't

566
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 1>actually be moving into a four million dollars How would

567
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.759
<v Speaker 1>they be able to afford that? No, they don't have

568
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 1>sponsorship deals, they don't have brand deals. They're not on

569
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 1>ig like making money, right. I know they have a cameo,

570
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>they have camo, but like, how much money does that

571
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>actually bring in? They are living off of TLC and

572
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 1>whatever gun business or online business they have in the background,

573
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 1>which I would love. Oh my god, I would love

574
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to see the taxes. I would love to see the taxes.

575
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And if we have to go to trial because Christine

576
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 1>needs to open the books to see how much Cody

577
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 1>owes her for child support, like, maybe we'll see the taxes.

578
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Wouldn't it be great that lady on

579
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 2>YouTube I forget her name, with the glasses that covered

580
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the amber heard.

581
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Trial the lawyer Emily K.

582
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wouldn't it be if they went to trial.

583
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Put it on the vision board. On the vision board, Oh,

584
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 1>that would be so good. But the but the terrible

585
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>lying that Robin is doing here discussing, it's just so

586
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>awful to me.

587
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really really cood.

588
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Nobody believes you, Robin. How can you sit there in

589
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the McMansion with all that shit everywhere? And we saw

590
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like in previous seasons when they were having their trick

591
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 1>or treat during COVID and she's opening the door to

592
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>give candy, like all of the boxes of Amazon and

593
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>this and that and all of the stuff they have. Yeah,

594
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>how can you say that with a straight face? It's crazy, wicked.

595
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>When she calls herself the idiot that still believes in

596
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>this dream, Like she's saying, I could still be neighbors

597
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 2>with Janelle. I could still be neighbors with Mary. I

598
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>hope they still build on Coyote Pass. That would be

599
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>so great and my dream would be fulfilled. It's like,

600
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.319
<v Speaker 2>you really want us to believe that?

601
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, you don't.

602
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 2>You really want us to believe that you're telling the

603
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>truth right now? Like it's crazy. Why don't you just

604
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.119
<v Speaker 2>say the fucking truth?

605
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>It would be so much better. I mean, I mean,

606
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>then we could start to find a way to maybe

607
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 1>try and respect some of the decisions that you're making,

608
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to hold onto your assets because if something you

609
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>were told by Cody or whatever, maybe it's because of

610
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 1>trauma that you've come out of because your mother was

611
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>also in polyagumia. I don't know, but like, why don't

612
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you tell the truth just instead of just bullface lying

613
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>yet wild?

614
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy, And then we kind of hear more

615
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 2>about Cody's relationship with Maddie or lack thereof, because while

616
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 2>they're going Maddie and Janelle are going up to Montana.

617
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Janelle in her talking head is like, Yeah, Cody doesn't

618
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>really have a relationship with Maddie. And then we hear

619
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Cody on and on about the gossip mill and how

620
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't trust Janelle, doesn't trust Maddie and it's a

621
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>two way street. Though she doesn't reach out to me,

622
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 2>so therefore I won't reach out to her.

623
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 1>And I know that triggers you.

624
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it pisses me off.

625
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not triggered by it because I've that's never

626
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 1>happened to me. Yeah, but I know as a child

627
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of divorce, why don't you speak to it?

628
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Should we go uncensored for it?

629
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

630
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's come back to their regular pod. We were

631
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>actually for a while we were talking on Uncensored. If

632
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to hear all of the uncensored bits,

633
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:07.599
<v Speaker 1>all you have to do is go to Reality TV,

634
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>cringe on Patreon subscribe. It's only for patrons.

635
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

636
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 1>But what was I saying.

637
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Cody triggering me about the yeah, the two way street

638
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>bullshit that he's giving with Maddie.

639
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, And the thing I was saying was that even

640
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>though Maddie is an adult, even though she's almost thirty

641
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.319
<v Speaker 1>years old, Cody is always going to be the parent,

642
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and even though it might be difficult, it's still his

643
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>responsibility to initiate any kind of a healing process with

644
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Maddie and his other children. They might be upset, they

645
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>might be no contact, but it's up to you to

646
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>try and make a bridge that everybody can heal, because

647
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that's just the job. They didn't ask to be born

648
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>into this world. They certainly didn't ask to be born

649
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>into this polygamous family. You brought them into this experience,

650
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and so you are the caretaker of the experience. And

651
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>if you don't like that, because it doesn't feel good

652
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for you now that you're fifty four with your new

653
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>new bile breakdancing wife, then that's your fault exactly. At

654
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>least accept that this broke down because of me. Stop

655
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>putting it back on your kids.

656
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>But he fucking can't accept any responsibility. It's so frustrating

657
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>to me because I'm like, you are an adult of

658
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>a certain age, a big age, and you are still

659
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.559
<v Speaker 2>acting like this, like what are you gonna do on

660
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>your deathbed? He's going to be one of those guys

661
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>that as he gets older, he's just going to become

662
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:35.039
<v Speaker 2>more and more crotchety push everybody and his family away

663
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and then wonder why he dies alone. He's going to

664
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 2>be that guy. Mm hmm, I swear it pisses me

665
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>off so much.

666
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, and or Robin will be there and her kids

667
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 1>will be there, and that'll be enough for him because

668
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>he will be so estranged from the rest of his family.

669
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 1>But that's going out sad. Yeah, death is going out sad, yep,

670
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it is.

671
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And he talks about how the time in Vegas with

672
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Maddie and Caleb, living with them in the Four Plots

673
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and the cul de Sac was the best time of

674
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>his life and how he loved Caleb and he loved

675
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>having his family all together. And I'm like, then, why

676
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>don't you lean into that, because if you lean into

677
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>the love of your whole entire family, you could heal

678
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the relationships you have that you've broken.

679
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>It would take just an apology and an acknowledgement.

680
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Ownership, like I really fucked that up. Yeah, And here's

681
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>my thinking behind what I did, and this is why

682
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it was wrong, you know, here's how I came to

683
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the realization that it is wrong, and here's my plan

684
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to do things differently and change the situation going forward,

685
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 1>like take actual responsibility. But he's a narcissist. We can't

686
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 1>keep expecting narcissists to have this kind of an awareness.

687
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 1>They just don't. You can't take a narcissist to therapy

688
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 1>because they will weaponize therapized words and therapized processes and

689
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>then use it against you to make you even more miserable.

690
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 1>They're broken people, and I'm sorry, I just think there's

691
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>like no help for people like this. Yeah, there's no

692
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>hoping he's going to get better, because you're right, he's

693
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>going to get worse with age. I was just watching

694
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>this episode. I'm like, every single one of you needs

695
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to be in therapy. Mary, go to conventional therapy, not

696
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Mormon therapy, not therapy with your spiritual elders. Get an

697
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>actual conventional therapist, and dedicate yourself to years of therapy. Janelle,

698
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.519
<v Speaker 1>you two, I mean, you're pretty well adjusted. You seem

699
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to be happy and okay, as you were telling Christine,

700
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 1>but you also need therapy because how did you get

701
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 1>here in the first place. How did you make such

702
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>a series of disastrous choices to get you and to

703
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>hurt your children the way that you did. We don't

704
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about that enough. With Janelle. We really hurt your children.

705
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Garrison was a hurt child, of course. And I'm not

706
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to make anybody feel bad, but like, there are

707
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 1>things that you did for reasons that you are unconscious

708
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to that allowed you to hurt these kids, and this

709
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.519
<v Speaker 1>allow this man to hurt your kids. Go to therapy,

710
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and Christine, honey, girl, I know you're happy you're in

711
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 1>your honeymoon taken down, but you need therapy too. Everybody does.

712
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>The only person who would not benefit from therapy, in

713
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 1>my opinion is Cody and Robin because they're actually to me,

714
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not a doctor, they strike me as actual narcissists. Yes,

715
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>when you've got Robin sitting on the couch lying like

716
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:19.159
<v Speaker 1>that to our faces, our raccoon faces. Yeah, like, yeah,

717
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 1>there's no.

718
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Hope for her, Yeah, there really isn't unless she comes

719
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.559
<v Speaker 2>out and it's like, yeah, I'm gonna leave Cody too.

720
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I realize he's a piece of shit.

721
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was lying all these years. I was

722
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to make it work and trying to get everybody

723
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>to believe because I didn't have any money.

724
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, Yeah, then we would be fine with you.

725
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 1>But even that's calculated. Yeah, because you should have done

726
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that at the right time.

727
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>True, but she's not. And then we have Christine visiting

728
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Janelle and Flagstaff.

729
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>This was interesting, This was really good. Like, listen, I

730
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people love Christine, and we love

731
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that Christine left Cody and so deeply broke him. I mean,

732
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the reason we have the spinning top that is Cody

733
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Brown just being an awful person is because Christine felt

734
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>empowered enough to walk away from him. But that doesn't

735
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>the gate that she's annoying as fuck. She's judgmental to Janelle. Yeah,

736
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>she has her own ideas of the way that the

737
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 1>world should work. And I guess now that she's no

738
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>longer the biggest advocate for polygamy and the biggest advocate

739
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>for the aub now all of a sudden, everybody else

740
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>has to have the same opinion and in the same timeline.

741
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>She's ridiculous. I apologize, break down, breakdown the scene for me.

742
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 1>But she was so annoying to me.

743
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was actually talking to Ethel about it

744
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>because she was so mad at Christine. She's like, can

745
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you just lay off of Janelle? Like, police, why are

746
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.079
<v Speaker 2>you trying to tell her what to do, like, let

747
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Janelle make her own decisions. And I was talking to

748
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Ethel about it. I'm like, it's the aries in Christine,

749
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 2>like the ram just being so fucking pushy and just

750
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 2>be like, let me tell you how to do your life,

751
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you how to fix your life. And

752
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Ethel about it, I'm like, that's

753
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 2>a fire sign thing, because I feel like we're kind

754
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>of hot headed people and we just want to tell

755
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>people how to live their lives, even though we don't

756
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 2>know what the fuck we're talking about most of the time.

757
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>And we also don't live our lives by our own

758
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>advice a lot of the time. So it's like Christine

759
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to tell Janelle how to break up with Cody

760
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and how to separate all of her assets when Janelle's

761
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>finances are fucking entangled so much more than everyone else.

762
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Like Christine, you got to sell your house and leave yep,

763
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you had nothing tying yourself, like you got rid of

764
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Coyote Pass and you were done, it was clean. Janelle

765
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 2>can't do that. And Janelle's trying to figure it all out,

766
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>so let her just figure it out.

767
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>It's twenty twenty two winter of Like Christine, you just

768
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.199
<v Speaker 1>walked away I think September of twenty twenty two, right,

769
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>based on that timeline, So it's been a few months.

770
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>You don't have all the answers. This is what kills me,

771
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>yes about these women, the Mary Browns, the hashtag worthy ups,

772
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>these women who have clear and present problems. Olivia Plath,

773
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Olivia Plath and Christine, you have clear and present problems,

774
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and you presume to sit on a couch and tell

775
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Janelle how to be in her own process. It's just

776
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 1>so self absorbed and so tone deaf. But that's just Christine.

777
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 1>That's also Machelti. It must have been like the family

778
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 1>she came up in. By the end of this episode,

779
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>we have her telling us that she gets it now,

780
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think she gets it. I think she's

781
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>actually really judgmental. And to the degree that Cody and

782
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Robin believe there's a gossip mill, I'm gonna tell you

783
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Christine's right in the center of that gossip mill. She

784
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 1>loves to make television talking about Cody Brown and all

785
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 1>of the things that he's done wrong. Having the whole

786
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 1>family there, even the kids, talking about Robin, like she

787
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>lives for.

788
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.239
<v Speaker 2>That shit totally. But also, like Janelle said to Cody

789
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>in her talking head, like Cody leaks like a sieve.

790
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>He's also gossiping and saying shit to o their wives

791
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.639
<v Speaker 2>about the other wives. So like everybody talks about everybody

792
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>in this family, which to some degree is normal in

793
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>a big, giant folman like this. I mean everybody's talking crab.

794
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course a lot of it is true,

795
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>like with the stuff about Cody and Robin, like it's

796
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 2>not gossip. They're just bitching about the fact that you

797
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>guys are pieces of crap, right, But like Christine is

798
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>totally at the head of it, and Christine needs to

799
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 2>chill out and just let people figure it out on

800
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 2>their own.

801
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just doesn't work. It's not gonna work with

802
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 1>a personality like Janelle, who is so in her own body, Honey,

803
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>She's so in her own life, she's so in her

804
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>own purpose and vision. Like she's getting it together. She's

805
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out right now what it is she

806
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 1>wants exactly. She loves flag stuff, But eh, I probably

807
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't hang out here because Cody and Robin are here,

808
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and I also love Montana, and I love Cody and

809
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>not Cody, but Caleb and Maddie. And so there's a

810
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of different things at play right now. So just

811
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>give me a little space and breath and time, Christine

812
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 1>before Thanksgiving, please for me to figure that out for

813
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 1>myself without you telling me what to do. That it's

814
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>just not who she is. I can see that clear

815
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>as day. And it's kind of wild to me that

816
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Christine doesn'tand that about her and or is such a

817
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:03.559
<v Speaker 1>boundary stomper.

818
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like I can understand to an extent

819
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 2>why Christine is so fired up about it because she

820
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 2>is single. She's fucking David Woolley probably at this point

821
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>or dating him or something. I don't know, I don't care,

822
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 2>but like she's happy, and like she wants to have

823
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Janelle be happy, and so I understand the sentiment. But

824
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 2>like again, like.

825
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 3>Just take it down if you're not.

826
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's just an essential immaturity with Christine. I remember

827
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 1>being like a no at all when I was in

828
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 1>my twenties and stuff. But like Christine, you're in your

829
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>fifties for real, and your life is a shit show.

830
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Your life is an actual shit show on TLC. Yeah,

831
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>so like, don't presume to tell anybody else what they

832
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 1>need to do and the pace that they need to

833
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 1>move at. That's just not how we want to do it.

834
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's probably doing all of her interviews at

835
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>this time, like all of the stuff's probably been filmed,

836
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>so she's like on a high right now, and so

837
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm the shit. Everybody else needs to come

838
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>on my level, right yea, but it's annoying. Yeah, But

839
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Janelle's kind of talking to Christine about like Cody and

840
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Coyote Pass and how he's not talking to her and

841
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like all of their stuff is over text, and so

842
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>she needs to get a lawyer and she's tired of

843
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this wishy washy bullshit or no Cody says that. Cody

844
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>says that he's annoyed with Janelle because she's going back

845
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and forth with him and it's very ambiguous. Yeah, ambiguous,

846
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's frustrated with it. And this is where Mary starts.

847
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Laughing, Yes, I loved it.

848
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh this was so good. She's like, yeah, so the

849
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.679
<v Speaker 2>thing that you're frustrated Janelle's doing to you, you did

850
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the same bullshit to me. Karma's a bitch.

851
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Which is wonderful and true, but also, can we just

852
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 1>get real, Mary, if we all knew, you know, watching

853
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>forty minutes a week for I don't know, fifteen episodes

854
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 1>a year, if we all knew that Cody wanted nothing

855
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 1>to do with you, if we felt, as an audience said,

856
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 1>it was loud and clear his intent with you, how

857
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 1>come you didn't? And again it's probably the faith. And

858
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>again it's probably her prioritizing her perception of her love

859
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Cody and how much she wanted to get

860
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 1>back to that. But at the same time, like you

861
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>weren't a victim necessarily, like you had a whole banana

862
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>in your mouth in a bathtub talking to a man

863
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that I know you would have left if he was

864
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a real man.

865
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 3>We all know you would have left. You were ready

866
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 3>to leave when you were in Alaska. Uh huh, Okay,

867
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.079
<v Speaker 3>you sat down to that dinner in Alaska and you

868
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 3>were ready to tell them, look, I'm on my way

869
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 3>out the door. So it's not like this whole thing

870
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 3>was done to you, you were complicit in it. But

871
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, any opportunity she takes a potshot

872
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>at Cody, I love it and her reveling in how

873
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable Janelle's lack of communication makes him, Like I live

874
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 3>for that. Yeah, anything that pokes him, I endorse.

875
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I love it. And it is totally the same kind

876
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 2>of energy as Christine, though, like now that you're away

877
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 2>from it and you're doing your hashtag worthy of like

878
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you think you're better than everybody when you're like also

879
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 2>a huge mess. But I thought that was such a

880
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>good can and I want more of that from Mary

881
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 2>all season. They too, so so good. But I will

882
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>say though, Cody did admit later in some talking head

883
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 2>where he had said he was trying to make their

884
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 2>relationship work when he was talking about Mary Yes getting

885
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 2>her spiritual divorce or whatever, he admitted to it. He's like, yeah,

886
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I tried to tell her in Flagstaff maybe it'll be

887
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 2>a new beginning, and like, I tried really hard. So

888
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he's saying on camera that he was going back and

889
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>forth with Mary.

890
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes and sending mixed messages. But at the same time

891
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that he's saying that, he's like, I tried to be curious,

892
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>but she wasn't fun. Yeah, she wasn't good to be around.

893
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 1>She's an angry person and I'm just like God, the

894
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 1>way he so glibly just puts her down and decimates

895
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>her like as a woman is so sad to see,

896
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't think twice about saying something that is

897
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>going to break her heart. And just last week she's

898
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>talking to her friend Brandy and she's like, I don't

899
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I want to take the high road, I want to

900
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>be kind, and here he is just being so despicable

901
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>to her. Now when he's talking about this though, Beatrice,

902
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.519
<v Speaker 1>we kind of get into some of the history and

903
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>some of the lore about Mary and Cody. And remember

904
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 1>how you know, over the pod, like probably over the

905
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>last year, I was talking a little bit about that therapy,

906
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 1>that therapy session that Cody went in with Mary, and

907
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 1>how he talked about like how he didn't know the

908
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>baggage that Mary brought into the relationship and there were

909
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 1>things he didn't know about Mary that he wished he

910
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>would have known. And I'm like, well, I wish you

911
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>would have elaborated on that. Well, now I think this

912
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 1>is starting to come out, and it's the fact that

913
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Mary brought her toxic anger into the relationship and Cody

914
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>tells a story about like offering her a piece of gum,

915
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 1>and she snaps at him and says, you know, I

916
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>don't like spear mint, and you know what, I believe it.

917
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe it.

918
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And then he talks about how Janelle entered into the

919
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>relationship and that diluted his relationship with Mary and his

920
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 1>exposure really to her anger. So Janelle becomes a meat

921
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.280
<v Speaker 1>shield so he doesn't have to be the sole beneficiary

922
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of all of Mary's toxicity. And so now we have

923
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 1>problems with Mary and Janelle, and Janelle actually leaves at

924
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 1>one point and moves back to Wyoming or whatever. Yeah,

925
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.079
<v Speaker 1>and then we bring on Christine, and Cody actually admits

926
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 1>that bringing Christine on saved the relationships. Yeah, it was

927
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 1>because Christine came, it diluted Mary even more so. Now

928
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 1>she had not just one focal point, which is Cody.

929
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Now she's got three adults that she can spread her

930
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>misery around, and then a bunch of kids that some

931
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>of these kids say she went on to abuse. So

932
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I actually believe this about Mary. Yeah, and maybe the

933
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.079
<v Speaker 1>baggage he's talking about is like her family, her trauma

934
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.119
<v Speaker 1>or her family toxic culture. I don't know, but I

935
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>thought that was really interesting to learn about.

936
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was interesting, but I do think

937
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>he's saying all of that just to make her look bad.

938
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 2>But then at the same time, we see the fact

939
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 2>that Christina and Janelle don't really have a relationship with Mary.

940
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.639
<v Speaker 2>There's obviously a reason why, because Mary's seems like a

941
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 2>big old bitch. Maybe everybody's over it. Yeah, maybe she's

942
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 2>better now with her hashtag worthy up and stuff. Who

943
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking knows, But it doesn't change like thirty years of

944
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>her being toxic and terrible. But then I'm like, at

945
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the same time, when he's talking about Mary's baggage, I'm like,

946
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>what about your baggage? Dude, what about you being a

947
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit? Like, I know you're you've been exceptionally

948
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>terrible the last like ten years or so, but I

949
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>feel like you were a peach back then. Either. I

950
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like you were also pretty terrible, and you were

951
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.079
<v Speaker 2>a twenty something dude who thought that being in a

952
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 2>terrible relationship with the first girl, Oh, you know what

953
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the solution would be, Let's bring in another woman. Oh

954
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't work, Okay, Let's bring in another woman. And

955
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.440
<v Speaker 2>then thirty years later say you don't love any of them,

956
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that's true, Like maybe you didn't love any

957
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>of them from the get go. It's not true you

958
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>were dumb and brought in these women to think it

959
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.440
<v Speaker 2>would make it everything better. But I don't freaking believe that.

960
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Nobody believes that. I believe he fell out of love

961
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>with them, yeah, but I believed at one point he

962
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>did love them.

963
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

964
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>No, he's not a peach. I think he was dealing

965
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 1>with a woman who had some personality issues. That would

966
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 1>be Mary, and I think Mary took it out on Janelle.

967
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 1>We have scenes in flag Staff, so recent scenes where

968
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to work out their relationship. But Janelle has

969
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 1>been so injured in this relationship. It's like, I don't

970
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 1>know if I have the band with Mary to even

971
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 1>try to go to therapy with you because of the

972
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 1>shit that I have been through with you. So Mary

973
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>sounds like she was a pretty terrible person. Yeah, And

974
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>at some point, probably about ten years ago, when this

975
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.480
<v Speaker 1>whole thing started, Cody's like, I'm done, I've got this.

976
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I've got this new woman.

977
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 3>I love her, actually feel what real love feels like.

978
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 3>And maybe he did, maybe, And so maybe that's a

979
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 3>revelation to him, and he slowly but surely starts falling

980
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.519
<v Speaker 3>out of love with the others. But Mary, you had

981
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Speaker 3>something to do with.

982
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, And then we have Cody talking about how

983
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>he's not a victim, but he ever had a choice

984
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>to leave these women because of his faith. But then

985
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 2>he says he doesn't want to disparage his faith, but

986
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 2>then calls it bullshit.

987
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, you can't have it both ways.

988
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Like why you keep going back and forth?

989
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Man, when did you I want to know, when did

990
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you walk away from the faith because it's convenient for

991
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you to say, well, my faith says I can't divorce them.

992
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>They have to make the choice. And then out of

993
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the other side of your mouth say well, but my

994
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>faith is bullshit, right, Like, which one is it? It's

995
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what's convenient for you to make you look less like

996
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>an evil person or the evil person that you are,

997
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 1>So everything is so convenient for him.

998
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>And then again like you're not taking any accountability because

999
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>you're saying the og three wives kicked you out, as

1000
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 2>if you weren't trying to get the fuck out of there.

1001
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Then he says something really weird where he's like, I

1002
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 2>never would have left any of them, even though I

1003
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>don't love them anymore. I never would have left them,

1004
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 2>but they made a choice. They wanted to leave, and

1005
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>so everybody made choices. I guess I maybe made some

1006
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>choices that maybe have separated.

1007
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I did, I don't know.

1008
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Probably not, but not really though. Yeah. I'm not a victim, though,

1009
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>but I got kicked out of my club, I'm excommunicated

1010
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 2>for my club that I started.

1011
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't even understand how he arranges and organizes his

1012
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 1>life in the way that he sees it. It doesn't make

1013
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 1>any sense. I think he's referring to Mary kicking him

1014
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>out of the house in Vegas during the whole Catfish

1015
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>debacle for a period of time, probably because he was

1016
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 1>never really coming around and hated her guts in the

1017
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 1>first place, and so because she needed a little bit

1018
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of space from him, he took that as she kicked

1019
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>me out. Now I don't ever have to see her again. Yeah,

1020
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And then of course Christine does the same thing because

1021
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 1>she gets to the end of her rope because they're

1022
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>not fucking anymore and he's not giving her any attention whatsoever,

1023
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.039
<v Speaker 1>much lesser kids. And then with Janelle it took longer

1024
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>because she was holding on because she believed in the

1025
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 1>vision until maybe that fight at Christmas. Yeah, and she's like, well,

1026
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 1>then fuck you, and he takes that as her telling

1027
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>him that he can't be with her anymore. I don't

1028
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 1>remember a time Janelle ever said get out of my house.

1029
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 2>No, except for that big fight at Christmas last season.

1030
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>But he was walking out of exact he.

1031
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Was like, no, I'm not going to talk to you,

1032
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 1>and he's walking out of the place on his own.

1033
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So it's just again, it's all very convenient for him, Yeah,

1034
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 1>because he can't take a terrible person and I hate him.

1035
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>We do not prefer him so much.

1036
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 2>And then we have like more in the conversation with

1037
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Christine and Janelle about Thanksgiving plans, like holiday plans. Janelle's like,

1038
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm never coordinating a holiday with Cody ever again, which

1039
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.199
<v Speaker 2>we love. This is where Cody's like, I'm kicked out.

1040
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I have FOMO. I want to be included, but nobody

1041
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:43.679
<v Speaker 2>wants my club.

1042
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>But I got kicked out of it. Okay, fuck you

1043
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 1>removed yourself from your other families. You did that, you

1044
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 1>made those choices, But I mean, like, let's not splitters.

1045
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, I guess. And then we talk about

1046
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas text chat, yes, which we talked about last season,

1047
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we get more into it, I guess because we hear

1048
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.800
<v Speaker 2>from Right and Brianna yep, who have clearly been coached,

1049
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.119
<v Speaker 2>brainwashed by their mother because their mother saw the feedback

1050
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and the backlash from everybody when last season Aurora said

1051
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that they heard that they weren't a part of the family.

1052
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Somebody had told them, and everybody said, including us, well,

1053
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that must have been Robin. Maybe it was Michelt, and

1054
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>then Robin told them, but it was probably Robin. And

1055
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 1>so because everybody said that, Robin has taken pains, obviously

1056
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to me to tell her adult children get into that

1057
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>couch and say that those kids told you directly that

1058
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>you weren't part of the family, so that nobody thinks

1059
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.119
<v Speaker 1>it was me. Yeah, that was the one that was

1060
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>telling you that. Yeah, And so they do their mother's bidding,

1061
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and I had to fast forward through it. I was

1062
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>just like, these poor kids, they're adult kids, but like,

1063
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 1>have their brains formed at all?

1064
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 2>No, because your brain's not formed until you're twenty five.

1065
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how old Aurora is, though maybe she's

1066
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. I don't fucking know, but I'm like, you

1067
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 2>can think for yourself. But Aurora is sitting there saying,

1068
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been told directly by multiple people, on multiple different

1069
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>occasions that I was not accepted and that I was

1070
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 2>not their sister. And I'm like, by who though, Because

1071
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't it last season at Isabelle's party or whatever, and

1072
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you have all this footage of everybody hugging you guys

1073
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and accepting you into the family, and you guys were

1074
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 2>happy and talking to everyone, and it.

1075
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Was you know what I think it is. I think

1076
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:33.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like season three, season four, when Peyden was being

1077
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a bully with the kids when they're coming into the family.

1078
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can see a world where Peyden may

1079
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>have said some bullshit to those girls because we could

1080
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 1>see him kind of doing that anyway, So I can

1081
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 1>see when they were little kids, there was maybe trouble

1082
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>with some of those kids, but they obviously worked it out.

1083
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I also want to say last season or the season before,

1084
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Gabe saying I think it was

1085
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 1>last season. Gabe was like, yeah, I see Aurora at

1086
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 1>college and we stop or in school, yes, and we

1087
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 1>stop in the halls and we always talk with each other.

1088
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 1>And I love her a lot, and yes, and I

1089
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>think she even talked spoke to that on the couch

1090
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 1>last season, like yeah, I do see Gabe and it's good.

1091
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>He's my brother. Like so what's changed then, right, but

1092
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 1>how did this happen? You guys are spinning fucking yarns.

1093
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's ridiculous.

1094
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 1>You're lying like your mom yep, and everybody can tell.

1095
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:19.920
<v Speaker 1>And you ought to stop.

1096
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, but they're like, they're kids and they're under

1097
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 2>she's not a kid. Well I know, but they're under

1098
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 2>their roof. No, and they're under their manipulation.

1099
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but they're not kids. So at some point you

1100
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 1>have to take responsibility if you're getting up on a

1101
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 1>couch and you're talking about these other adult children who

1102
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 1>tried to include you in the Christmas chat. They were

1103
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to include you, and then Robin inserted herself and said,

1104
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>let's get on a zoom and we're like, I can't

1105
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 1>get on a zoom. I got a family and then

1106
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll become a big deal. Yeah, but they were including

1107
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 1>you then, right, So getting on the couch and saying

1108
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>this is just shameful.

1109
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now shameful Robin's saying on the couch here, saying,

1110
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>my kids emotionally unsafe, and I'm like, how in a

1111
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 2>text message, Yeah, we are you kidding me? This is

1112
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>the brainwashing though, and like maybe Aurora and Brianna will

1113
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 2>wake up to it eventually, Like maybe when they move

1114
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.840
<v Speaker 2>out of their house and they become their own people,

1115
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>separate from Cody and Robin, Like maybe they'll figure it

1116
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>out and get back in contact with the siblings, because

1117
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 2>that can happen, But I don't know right now. It's

1118
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 2>just fucking frustrating to sit in I don't need to

1119
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 2>see them.

1120
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we don't need to see the little flying monkeys

1121
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 1>that Robin is sending into the space in order to

1122
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.320
<v Speaker 1>parrot her story. Nobody believes it.

1123
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Christine even said truly didn't even know that

1124
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 2>these kids weren't biologically her siblings. Yeah, like come on, yep,

1125
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys were included. Yes, it's bullshit. And then Cody's

1126
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 2>saying some people in the family feel like they're superior,

1127
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and is that just Maddie.

1128
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Maddie. I know it's Maddie for sure,

1129
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, I wonder who else he's referring to.

1130
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's Logo, and I don't think it's Hunter.

1131
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 1>I know it's not Michelti. At this point, I don't

1132
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>know who it would be.

1133
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either, Like who are you referring to?

1134
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Aspen, maybe the boys too? For maybe the boys?

1135
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the boys? Yeah? God? And who cares?

1136
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 2>No? I mean, then heal it serious and.

1137
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.440
<v Speaker 3>There's a problem, there's a breakdown. You're the dad, get

1138
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 3>in there, do something about it.

1139
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>How about we talk about it.

1140
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's go be fair.

1141
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 2>About it for real. With all that money you're siphoning

1142
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 2>off for the Dickenziean villages, you could pay for family therapy.

1143
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 2>He could, good Lord. And then we have the wives

1144
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of discussing about Cody, like when he was around

1145
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.400
<v Speaker 2>when he wasn't around, and that's how the episode ends.

1146
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we'll just conclude it there.

1147
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I'm like, I don't care.

1148
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't care either he wasn't there. Nobody cares

1149
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 1>except for Robin.

1150
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Robin being like, yeah, I had to be independent.

1151
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, but she was like, no, it wasn't different when

1152
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.199
<v Speaker 1>he was there versus when he wasn't there. And I'm like,

1153
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 1>that's cause he was always there.

1154
00:55:58.119 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>He was always there.

1155
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Robin bitch, so stupid.

1156
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>And then we have a preview we have the family.

1157
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about that. There was

1158
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 2>an upcoming event.

1159
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's Gwendolen's engagement. I think it's Gwendolen's engagement.

1160
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1161
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>It's weird that they're not saying that though.

1162
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, why are you being vague about it?

1163
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Is it the engagement party? It's not Gwendolen's marriage, right,

1164
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see.

1165
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so everybody's going to get together and nobody's

1166
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>talking to each other. It's going to be really weird.

1167
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And Cody says it's.

1168
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 1>A civil war, yeah, where it's.

1169
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Just him and Robin and then the rest of.

1170
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 1>The family acting awkward with their weights and stuff.

1171
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1172
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>And then Michelt might have to have a C section

1173
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>story and she's crying about it for real, I'm sick

1174
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 2>of her. Go back to Patreon. I have enough with

1175
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>your mom, Oh my god. And then Robin planning to

1176
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 2>be there at the birth of her twins also don't care, Yeah,

1177
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.199
<v Speaker 2>do not care. It's going to be awkward, all right,

1178
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 2>guess what.

1179
00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I loved this episode.

1180
00:56:59.400 --> 00:56:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Me too.

1181
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 3>I go into every episode thinking I'm going to be

1182
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 3>triggered af and I am, oh, yeah, it's the entire time.

1183
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm in a rage, honey.

1184
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 3>Same sure my blood pressure, where's my beta blockers?

1185
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 1>But I enjoyed it because we're starting to get into

1186
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>areas yeah, that I'm very curious about, namely the money.

1187
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And finally we've got some wives calling shit out.

1188
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I'd love to see it.

1189
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I love it as well. Well, is there anything else

1190
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>that we need to say to these beautiful raccoons before

1191
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>we get up on at it here?

1192
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Bah Jess, Well, if you love our podcast, I sure

1193
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 2>hope and pray to the Mormon God on Gola WHOA

1194
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 2>that you go to your favorite podcast platform and leave

1195
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 2>us a glowing five star review. It really helps us

1196
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 2>crew the pod and we really love to read them,

1197
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 2>so thank you very much.

1198
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 1>We will be back later this week to talk the

1199
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Mormon Moms of mom Talk, Secret Lives if Mormon Wives.

1200
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 1>We're also going to be catching up with Welcome to Platfor.

1201
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 1>We are one week late on Platfor, Sorry about that.

1202
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.199
<v Speaker 1>We record on a Tuesday night and that's when it airs,

1203
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.719
<v Speaker 1>so we're a little late, but we are going to

1204
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>get together and talk about it this week, so make

1205
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.719
<v Speaker 1>sure to come back for that, and until then, please

1206
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 1>do not forget that we have nothing but love for you,

1207
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and please a night bad
