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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy Boston's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>hour that I'm about to do with Jason Greenberg talking

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<v Speaker 2>here about what's going on in Israel. That will be

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<v Speaker 2>on demand dot com. So put us on your playlist

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I want to. Welcome back to the program.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been with me now two or three times. Jason Greenberg,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an attorney here in Boston, and he was in

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<v Speaker 2>Israel on the night of the morning of October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago, when that horrific terrorist attack occurred. He

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<v Speaker 2>was to meet with five family members that very day. Jason,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just go back to October seventh. Briefly, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>how you figured out what was going on. You're in Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>You've gone to bed the night before, you were over

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<v Speaker 2>there with your dad to meet relatives the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Just laying out so we know what your experience was

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<v Speaker 2>back then, and then why you went back earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to night side, and thank God you're back home,

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<v Speaker 2>safe and sound.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Dannis, talk to you again. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>learned what was happening last year because I was woken

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<v Speaker 3>up by irons and had to go to the bomb

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<v Speaker 3>shelter and in the ensuing hours had to read and

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<v Speaker 3>just I just had to witness the texts and what's

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<v Speaker 3>that message is going on? The frantic messages going on

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<v Speaker 3>from my relatives who lived in the south of Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>abudding Gaza as they were being victimized by the attack

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<v Speaker 3>on October seventh. As you mentioned, five of them, my

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<v Speaker 3>cousins were either killed or taken. I I'll get to

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<v Speaker 3>that when we discuss it. But my cousins Carmela don

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<v Speaker 3>and Noya, her granddaughter, were killed. They were burned alive

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<v Speaker 3>in their house at the Kidboots. Neros and my cousin's

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<v Speaker 3>Opher and his two children, Sah and Ares, who also

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<v Speaker 3>lived at Nero's, stayed in their bomb shelter as long

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<v Speaker 3>as they could, and once it got too hot, literally

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<v Speaker 3>they escaped through a window Hayden bushes and then when

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<v Speaker 3>they tried to make a run for it, they were

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<v Speaker 3>all captured. They were kept in Gaza Alfair remains there.

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<v Speaker 3>His two children were released in November as part of

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<v Speaker 3>the third round of the ceasefire exchanges last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Two many children, if I recalled, they were like thirteen, fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and ten. They were young. I mean they were quite young.

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<v Speaker 3>Turned thirteen in Captain Hicks sixteen. She turned sixteen shortly

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<v Speaker 3>after being released, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the grandmother, she was about eighty and she

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<v Speaker 2>died horribly. And she's an older woman, right.

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<v Speaker 3>She was one of the She and her husband were

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<v Speaker 3>or were two of the founding members of the kibbutz Neros,

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<v Speaker 3>which is now scheduled to beat them. Yeah, nobody lives

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<v Speaker 3>there anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And she she was she she was killed along with

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<v Speaker 2>another of her granddaughters, Is that correct, with.

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<v Speaker 3>One of her granddaughters, Noya, who was on the autism

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<v Speaker 3>spectrum but was spending shabas at her grandma's as she did,

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<v Speaker 3>like two or three times a month.

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<v Speaker 2>And your cousin, Olpher I think was his name, Yep, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably close to your age. I mean, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>he's a gentleman who's probably somewhere in his forties. If

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<v Speaker 2>I had to guess.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he would be fifty four now. He and for context,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the one of the most painful

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<v Speaker 3>things to live with is that he is the least

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<v Speaker 3>prioritized if there were to be any type of hostage

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<v Speaker 3>deal because he's not a military he's not not a

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<v Speaker 3>military age, he's not elderly, he's not you know, physically impaired,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's really no there's no leverage to get him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and of course our hope is that he, like

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<v Speaker 2>he and the other hostages, are alive. But it's been

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<v Speaker 2>over year it's been over year, so we can think

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<v Speaker 2>of him and try to send positive thoughts, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to imagine what he must have adored in this

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<v Speaker 2>last now going on thirteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>So you would well as I said to you last time,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, sorry, I only to interrupt you every but

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<v Speaker 3>with him last time too. I mean, just like for

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<v Speaker 3>every other hostages family, his children saharan eras you know,

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<v Speaker 3>both tender age minors. They every day live with the

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<v Speaker 3>uncertainty and the horror of not knowing the fate of

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<v Speaker 3>their father, you know, one way or another, and they

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<v Speaker 3>just the one thing that they want more than anything

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<v Speaker 3>is to be able to move on with their lives,

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<v Speaker 3>either with or without him, but to find closure either way.

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<v Speaker 3>And that they represent every their hostage who gathers in

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<v Speaker 3>Hostage Square in Tel Aviv, every other osage's family who

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<v Speaker 3>gathers in Haustig Square in Tel Aviv every single night.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they they at this point it's not even

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily about getting their loved ones back alive. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>about getting them back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, horrible. So so you went back earlier this month?

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<v Speaker 2>How long were you back in Israel? If I could

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<v Speaker 2>ask further, two weeks two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the answer should be obvious to me, But why

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<v Speaker 2>did you go back?

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<v Speaker 3>Because my I mean, I go every year anyway, and

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<v Speaker 3>more time or not in my family. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of family there, and they all were

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<v Speaker 3>asking me to come, even you know, given the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>They they wanted me to be there with them. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to be there with them, And I think they

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<v Speaker 3>also wanted me to see what life is like there

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<v Speaker 3>right now, because because I was there last year and

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<v Speaker 3>it was exception an anomalous event and stringing events ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>But they wanted to see what it is like on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground in Israel right now and to kind of,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the lack of a better word, educate me as

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<v Speaker 3>to what they're living through every single day, as as

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<v Speaker 3>well as you know, the rest of the population.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're going to take a break and we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about what you did see and

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<v Speaker 2>how life has changed or how it hasn't changed, and

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<v Speaker 2>all the circumstances. So you were there from just refresh

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<v Speaker 2>my record life. You left on a Thursday, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Yeah, I left on Thursday at the tenth and

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<v Speaker 3>I returned on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so you went from Thursday to tenth, and

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<v Speaker 3>From Monday, Monday night.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday night. Okay, so you're there from the tenth to

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty first. So you were there for a week

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<v Speaker 2>and a half and you got out. You just got

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<v Speaker 2>out because your plane was one of the last planes

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<v Speaker 2>to leave before l L I believe said they were

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<v Speaker 2>not flying any more planes out because.

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<v Speaker 3>Of what was shut downport, the whole airport until we leave,

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<v Speaker 3>shut down to the terrorist.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, we'll get to all of that. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to all of that. I guess, is Jason Greenberg. If

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to talk to Jason, ask a question six

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<v Speaker 2>be right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Jason Greenberg, just back from Israel in the year

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<v Speaker 2>that you were away from October seventh, from a year

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<v Speaker 2>ago until this on this October. How's it different? How's

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<v Speaker 2>it changed? How's it that's how is it the same?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I would describe to you as as really people as

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<v Speaker 3>a whole, as intense driven, have a verb for life.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what I noticed really palpably this time.

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<v Speaker 3>There is the the end has gone from the intense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just there's a real tension in the air everywhere

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<v Speaker 3>you go. You know, the these people are living in

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<v Speaker 3>a constant state of high alert and that is that

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<v Speaker 3>care that results in a real fatigue. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>there's uncertainty. You know, the wars, the war has gone

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<v Speaker 3>on for a year now. There's no clear end in sight,

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<v Speaker 3>especially with the inculcation of everything that's going on with

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbola and the you know, seem seemingly impending confrontation with Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, things are coming to a boil, but it's it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a slow boil, if anything, So you can feel that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can't speak for everybody there, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know I interacted with a lot of people. I

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<v Speaker 3>met with the Hostage Family Forum a number of times,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, there's it's Israel is definitely one word

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<v Speaker 3>you could never use to describe it as cut and

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<v Speaker 3>dry or simple, and it's certainly true now it's very

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<v Speaker 3>complex and complicated, and you have everything from people walking

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<v Speaker 3>around in true despair who are personally affected by the

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<v Speaker 3>events of October seventh, easily family to those who are

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, just that there's a real sense of

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<v Speaker 3>uncertain to the uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 2>In the air.

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<v Speaker 3>People go about their daily lives as best as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I told you earlier, you know, virtually every

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<v Speaker 3>day there's at least one siren, and these sirens are blaring,

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<v Speaker 3>and you've just got to stop what you're doing and

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<v Speaker 3>run to the closest bomb shelter. I mean one of

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<v Speaker 3>the uh, one of the first things that I was

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<v Speaker 3>told was just do what the Israelis do, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And when these sirens go off, they all go to

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<v Speaker 3>a cement to room, no matter whose building it is

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. There were two times I was in a

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<v Speaker 3>grocery store and literally had to drop the basket and

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<v Speaker 3>just run to a bomb shelter, not necessarily afraid, but

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<v Speaker 3>uncertain as to you know, was a was a rocket

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<v Speaker 3>gonna fall, you know, in in dangerously close proximity.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. It's a way of life that, uh that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand how people can can maintain their their composure.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's in the time you were there, Israel has

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<v Speaker 2>had some battlefield successes and I know that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I see this a little differently. So I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the question, uh as as well as I

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<v Speaker 2>can as A as you and I and we spoke early,

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<v Speaker 2>say you have family in the game. You have you

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<v Speaker 2>have family who are there. You have a cousin who's

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<v Speaker 2>currently hostage. Hopefully he's still alive. But it would appear

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<v Speaker 2>that the momentum in this situation has has really shifted

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<v Speaker 2>dramatically in the last couple of months, beginning with the

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<v Speaker 2>uh the electronics that exploded, the cell phones and the

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<v Speaker 2>pagers that were on the peep the persons of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela actions. Israel has been successful and effective in taking

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<v Speaker 2>out Hesbelah leadership that they took out last week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Yah Simwah, the head of Hamas. It's it's been an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible turn of events. They they they now have the

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<v Speaker 2>and and I'm I you know, I root for Israel

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<v Speaker 2>almost from the time the country was born in May

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen forty eight. What is the feeling over there?

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<v Speaker 2>along the way? Uh and and Jmas and Hezbollah will

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<v Speaker 2>come at them again, maybe another time, but there will

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<v Speaker 2>be other there will be other assaults. Is there is there?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it despair? Is it hope? What's what's the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground? And I'm sure that different people have

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? And I mean I would never presume to speak

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<v Speaker 3>is that. You know, I think that most Israelis do

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<v Speaker 3>not share the anti war sentiment that we experience here

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<v Speaker 3>in the US and some other West turned countries because

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<v Speaker 3>they are reluctant combatants. They were drawn into this, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they the Israelis have the motto, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're gonna shoot, shoot and don't talk, and that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of pervades the thinking there. And there's a job

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<v Speaker 3>to be done. Whether you know, a majority of Israelis

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<v Speaker 3>don't like not yagu but they he's he's riding a

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<v Speaker 3>wave of policies that most Israelis can get in bed with,

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<v Speaker 3>and Israeli is winning on a number of fronts. It

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<v Speaker 3>has strategic and tactical advantages that if you ask any

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<v Speaker 3>need to be pressed. And you know, I think you

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<v Speaker 3>you said it right in the latter portion of what

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<v Speaker 3>you said is that you're not going to eradicate terror.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not going to eradicate hamaso Hezmala. But the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that there have been such resounding successes has shown has

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<v Speaker 3>led to a sense of resilience and purpose that the

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<v Speaker 3>targeted nature of how the Israeli military is carrying out

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<v Speaker 3>its missions. And I would even argue that that applies

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<v Speaker 3>to Gaza because it's meeting its enemy where it is

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<v Speaker 3>and where its enemy is is hiding underneath women, children, hospitals,

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<v Speaker 3>and Israel's would never choose, you know what, my cousins

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<v Speaker 3>who have served, and my brother in law who served

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, my thirteen year old nephew who you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he'll get his draft carded in two and a half years.

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<v Speaker 3>They all know that. They all say, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>or civilians. That's just not how we do things. But

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<v Speaker 3>we have to meet our enemy where they are. We

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<v Speaker 3>that's the that's the horrible reality that I think, you

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is, Jason Greenberg, he is back. What is

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<v Speaker 2>your what's your future plans here? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>go back at any point? Is this an annual visit?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just on a personal level, how tough was

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<v Speaker 2>it to leave there? And also how tough was it

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<v Speaker 3>It was tougher to leave than to go. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I I have a very strong sense of national identification

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<v Speaker 3>with Israel. I have a lot of family who are

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<v Speaker 3>part of its founding movements, you know, forming some of

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<v Speaker 3>the nation's largest kid we've seen and working some of

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ties there, and you know, I also have.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have had the opportunity to meet with

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<v Speaker 3>some of the people who are kind of really spearheading

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<v Speaker 3>the movement to get the hostages out, and I'm taking

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<v Speaker 3>what I was able to glean from that to continue

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<v Speaker 3>the advocacy here from the US to figure out a

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<v Speaker 3>way to get the remaining hostages out while not sacrificing

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<v Speaker 3>the strategic objectives that ISTRO has to accomplish and in

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a you know, I told you today that

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<v Speaker 2>I think of net Yell, you know, as true I

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<v Speaker 2>think similarly, you know, and again I known everybody. I

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<v Speaker 2>know everyone would not agree with me, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that you agree with me, So I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to ask that question. I just look at

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<v Speaker 2>this as I believe he's the right person at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time, and I guess history will will make that judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that he has had a controversial career and

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<v Speaker 2>he is not universally loved loved in in Israel. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw the video of the his home, his

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<v Speaker 2>personal home was attacked by a drone and damage was

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<v Speaker 2>done to the home. He neither he nor his wife

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<v Speaker 2>were at home at the time, but it would be

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<v Speaker 2>the equivalent of a drone attacking the White House.

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<v Speaker 3>In my opinion, because it was his beach house.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, yes, okay, sure, yeah, but that's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's extraordinary. It's just an extraordinary story. Let's do this, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to invite people to call and share their thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think this is an important story. And

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<v Speaker 2>here in America we're in the midst of a presidential election.

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<v Speaker 2>All of us have concern about our own lives, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can put Israel on the back burner every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while, except these horrific days like October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes back to the forefront of our mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want us ever to forget Israel. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping that some of our callers might have some

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<v Speaker 2>questions to you as to what you saw, what you

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<v Speaker 2>experienced in the last ten days. It certainly was an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting period of time to be in Israel, for better

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<v Speaker 2>or for worse. The number six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty or six month, seven nine three

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. I could talk to Jason Greenberg all night,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would much refer to hear your comments and

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<v Speaker 2>your observations. Feel free to join this conversation. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Dan Ray. This is Nightside in WBZ, Boston's News

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<v Speaker 2>radio ten thirty on your AM dial.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZY,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is Jason Greenberg. He's just back from Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like to give you an opportunity to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to someone who has had on the ground experience. They

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<v Speaker 2>both on the day, the horrific day of a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>October seventh, and who still lives with it every day

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<v Speaker 2>because he lost two family members in the attack and

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<v Speaker 2>one cousin remains a hostage, hopefully still alive in somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in Gossam. But I just kind of imagine. The one

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<v Speaker 2>comment I wanted to make is I can remember as

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, and I think you know that we

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<v Speaker 2>were told at some point if there was ever a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear you know, assault, that if you were at school,

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<v Speaker 2>you would hide unto your desk. Was in retrospect, It's

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<v Speaker 2>like I wasn't going to do a lot of good

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel because of the dome and the defense systems

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel has a lot of the rockets ballistic missiles

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<v Speaker 2>that have been launched from Iran were knocked down, but

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<v Speaker 2>some of them did get through. How terrifying is it

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<v Speaker 2>to be you're in a war zone at that point

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<v Speaker 2>when you hear the sirens and you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>rockets are on the way, it's a war zone, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it may be a civilian population, but you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a war zone. What is the feeling like?

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like you're in a war zone. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>within hours of landing in Israel, I was with my

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<v Speaker 3>family and virtually a mile and a half away we

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<v Speaker 3>heard loud booms. They were rockets which were not shot

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<v Speaker 3>down and landed just outside population centers, and we saw

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen armed choppers scrambling to go about or to go

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<v Speaker 3>assess the situations. It's a constant thrum of a war

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<v Speaker 3>that is around on all sides, you know. And at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, I also, you know, I toward Nero's

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<v Speaker 3>from Mahalo's and and some other which is as well

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<v Speaker 3>as the Nova Music festival site. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if there's a real despair he on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 3>you know you have Daza less than a kilometer away

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<v Speaker 3>from these places. And on the other hand, you have

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<v Speaker 3>people who are having a run to shelters. That can't

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<v Speaker 3>tell you the number of children under ten years old

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<v Speaker 3>who were just screaming and crying every time these sirens

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<v Speaker 3>were going off in hysteria, their parents trying to keep

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<v Speaker 3>them calm. But similar to telling to telling kids to

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<v Speaker 3>get under a desk onder the threat of a nuclear bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's you have the same chance of being

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<v Speaker 3>in proximity to a rocket being fired by Hasbo as

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<v Speaker 3>you do is hitting a red light in Newton. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's just that, It's just that that wheels like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The luck of the draw. Yeah, simple is that. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is again a group of people who have endured

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<v Speaker 2>this now for decades. That is what is really extraordinary. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>got some calls. I'd love to have more. Six one, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two four ten thirty, six seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to understand in our country what it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because Israel is an ally of this country. Without Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole Middle East gets turned on its head. And

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you out there who are listening and

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<v Speaker 2>are thinking, well, this fight doesn't impact me or my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to tell you are dead wrong. You are

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<v Speaker 2>dead wrong that without Israel standing in the breach, we

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<v Speaker 2>would all be at much greater risk. You've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I overstating that that's that reality? Jason? If I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me please?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think you know by now I agree

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<v Speaker 3>with you on that. And you know Israel is the

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<v Speaker 3>you could make the argument, and the argument has been

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<v Speaker 3>made pretty forcefully by some pretty smart scholars, media, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>politicians who have you that Israel's fighting our fight for US.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, these are terrorists anyway you look at it,

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<v Speaker 3>who also want to harm America's interests wherever they lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't forget, not mute Dan. But it's forty one years

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<v Speaker 3>today today, forty one years ago two hundred Marines were killed,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, guarding Lebanon in Beirut and two thousand, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>who drove two thousand pounds of explosives into the marine

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<v Speaker 3>base Tesblah. These are not people. These are not America's friends,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and America or excuse me, Israel fans alone physically,

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<v Speaker 3>at least with the backing of its allies, but to

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<v Speaker 3>fight this fight with some very unfriendly neighbors in a

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<v Speaker 2>It was the worst intelligence failing of the Reagan administration without.

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<v Speaker 3>As arguably as as was October seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think conversely, Yeah, yeah, I mean we should have

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<v Speaker 2>failure of the Netanyahu government, which I will acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's hope it it went maybe beyond night and yell.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was from the upper echelons of the

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<v Speaker 3>IDF that, honestly, they were too arrogant, and that this

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<v Speaker 3>has been well documented by the WSJ. At the very

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<v Speaker 3>least is that you know, there were clear alarm bells

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<v Speaker 3>being wrung from rank and file soldiers for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the enunciated strategy was, well, hamask could really

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<v Speaker 3>only attack from the air, so we're just going to

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<v Speaker 3>focus on rocket fire and missile attacks. They would never

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<v Speaker 3>have the gall to or the organization to attack us

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<v Speaker 3>for lander seed, and they were getting wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's get to some phone calls here, and again

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<v Speaker 2>I invite you to call folks, whether you're you can

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<v Speaker 2>ask a question of experience, or you can argue a

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<v Speaker 2>point with either Jason or me. I think it's an

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<v Speaker 2>important conversation. Some of you might not think it's important.

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<v Speaker 2>You are so wrong. Mike and west Roxbury. Mike, next

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<v Speaker 2>on nice side first, this are a nice side with

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Greenberg. Go right ahead, Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, hey, mister Greenberg, how I do. Thanks Mike for

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<v Speaker 4>you So I'm fine. Before before I get to the

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<v Speaker 4>top to my car. The reason for my calling into

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<v Speaker 4>a tunnel. So if we start getting a little shaky

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<v Speaker 4>with the reception, that's the reason why. Okay, Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a very pos My question to you is this, there

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<v Speaker 4>was an offering, and my facts might be a little

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<v Speaker 4>in the gray here, if you will. Okay, many years

446
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<v Speaker 4>ago there was a meeting with an Israeli colonel and

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<v Speaker 4>his adjective which which at the time was a major

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<v Speaker 4>at the time. I don't know if it wasnt Yahoo

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<v Speaker 4>that was in charge, or Zech Ravine or Chermone Perez

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<v Speaker 4>I no, I don't remember it was. It was several

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, but there was an offering of a land,

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<v Speaker 4>if I recall perfectly to the Palestinians, Okay, and basically

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<v Speaker 4>they're Basically, they were trying to say, hey, listen, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we want to try to get along with you, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>we may not like you, we want to try to

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<v Speaker 4>get along with everybody. So here is X amount of land.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's let's let's try to be cool to each other

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<v Speaker 4>for for a little while. Okay, do you recall this

459
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<v Speaker 4>situation and how much of that plays until what's going

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<v Speaker 4>on with the present situation right now? If if at all,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you recall this period?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and it's it's a really I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>really good description of as basically saying you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>do you will do us, you know, we can live

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<v Speaker 3>side by sign. And the offer was the same offer

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<v Speaker 3>that's been given to the Palestinians at at least five

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<v Speaker 3>times since like nineteen forty seven, and that was let's

468
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<v Speaker 3>split Jerusalem and the Palestinians at the Palestine Authority for people.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Palestine Authority has rejected that every single time

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<v Speaker 3>by and said we either get all of it or

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<v Speaker 3>none of it. And so that deal was reject Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>according to the Oslo Accords, which was walked away from

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<v Speaker 3>the Clinton efforts. Every time the partition planned by the

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<v Speaker 3>UN back in the forties, Like every time it has

475
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<v Speaker 3>been how to create two tracks of land that can

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<v Speaker 3>coexist and make a path for Palestinian statehood, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but there it has been rejected outright, even the most

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<v Speaker 3>recently and I think two thousand and again the Abraham

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<v Speaker 3>Accords were rejected by a boss saying without even looking

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<v Speaker 3>at it and said we get And it was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Boss is sor yesified who who rejected it as well,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and right on the money. He's right in

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<v Speaker 2>the money. They've been in five at least five separate

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<v Speaker 2>times where Israel offered a legitimate peace offer and the leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership of the Palatine, the Palestinian people had no vote,

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<v Speaker 2>but the leadership said no whole time.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just curious who at the time was tech beIN

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<v Speaker 4>h Perez that was in charge at the time. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it was that Yao wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it wasn't that yo who The most recent well

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<v Speaker 3>yell was in twenty twenty one for the Abraham Accords,

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<v Speaker 3>but Ariel Sharon was the uh YEP and then hud

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<v Speaker 3>Barak was the prime minister during the Clinton era. However,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's worth noting. I think that not

495
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<v Speaker 3>Yah who actually you know, for as much as he

496
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<v Speaker 3>loves to be in power, but nobody, I don't be

497
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<v Speaker 3>hard pressed to argue that he was designed from government

498
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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and five when Israel unilaterally pulled out

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<v Speaker 3>of the Gaza Strip, and the reason he stated was,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, if we do it this way and we

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<v Speaker 3>leave them without a functioning authority that can work with Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>we are going we're essentially fertilizing terror and it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to come back to haunt us. And he resigned from

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<v Speaker 3>the government. I mean he came back. He came back

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and nine and was subsequently re elected.

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<v Speaker 3>But he made you know, he made that statement then,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is It's come true. You know that Israel

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<v Speaker 3>pulled out for the reason that it did at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But it has not been in Gaza ever since Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>took power in two thousand and six and has only

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<v Speaker 3>grown to it to what it became last year, and

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<v Speaker 3>now it's depleted into a basically a guerrilla team.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, it was prophetic. What time was prophetic? Mike?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm up break, I loved you call man, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to call the station. We got to call my show

516
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<v Speaker 2>more often.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay today, take care that guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Michael, I have a great night. More calls for

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<v Speaker 2>my guest Jason Greenberg. On the other side, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about life in Israel today. He was there on October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago, twenty twenty three, and he's been back

522
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<v Speaker 2>there this month for eleven days while some of the

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<v Speaker 2>really the intense rocket fire of this month has been

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I want to ask when we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>what he feels Israel's next move is. I think Iran

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<v Speaker 2>is going to pay a price. I have no clue

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<v Speaker 2>as to what Netanyahu is likely to do. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to know what Israeli people think. And we have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of callers lined up, and next up is Z

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<v Speaker 2>from North Wisconsin. And I know I have never spoken

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<v Speaker 2>a Z from North Wisconsin, but I look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation and we'll be back. And the only lines

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<v Speaker 2>that we're open right now the six, one, seven, in, two, five, four, ten, thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Join the conversation. Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go next to Z, a caller from North Wisconsin. Z.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightside. How's our signal tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>I actually from.

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<v Speaker 4>Or whatever it is here.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you joining yourself. Thank you for putting me on

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<v Speaker 5>and appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I'm gonna have you if Z do me a favor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm losing you a little bit. If you could get

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<v Speaker 2>to a spot in your house. I assume you're on

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<v Speaker 2>a cell phone.

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<v Speaker 4>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Just make sure you speak right into that microphone

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<v Speaker 2>so we can hear you. Where about northern Wisconsin. I

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<v Speaker 2>have listeners in Wisconsin. How far up north? Are you.

551
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<v Speaker 5>Almost too late? Superior?

552
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<v Speaker 2>Good for you? Okay, has winter arrived yet?

553
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<v Speaker 3>Ze?

554
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<v Speaker 2>Has winter arrived? Okay?

555
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<v Speaker 5>We've had tidyloss seventy three in the sunny weather, a

556
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<v Speaker 5>little bit like living in southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's that's what we've had the last few

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<v Speaker 2>days as well. Zee. I know you've never called before,

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<v Speaker 2>so welcome to night Side. You're my guest. I'm Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Greenberg UH, an attorney here in Boston who was in

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<v Speaker 2>Israel on the morning of October seventh, a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lost two family members, UH and one is

563
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<v Speaker 2>still in captivity hopefully, and he has just returned from

564
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<v Speaker 2>eleven days there this month, Go right ahead. What's your

565
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<v Speaker 2>question of comment?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, sure, thank you, and I appreciate what can and

567
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<v Speaker 5>did say your intra that we were dead wrong. We

568
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<v Speaker 5>don't understand over there, but I guess first of all,

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<v Speaker 5>my uh uh loss of uh family and friends. What

570
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<v Speaker 5>a what a horrible day to have to go through that.

571
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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, you're welcome, uh and as a gentile interested

572
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 5>guy and whatever may have a different prospect or perspective. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's the question simply is what do you think the

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<v Speaker 5>target or limit that mister net Yak is going to

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<v Speaker 5>Achiet with his stuff?

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<v Speaker 4>What are they up to?

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<v Speaker 5>Forty thousand?

578
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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 5>At what point in your AI do you think it

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<v Speaker 5>will be a thousand?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just you breaking up a kind of just tiny,

582
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<v Speaker 3>but I just want to make sure I understand the

583
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<v Speaker 3>question that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think what he's saying, Yeah, I think what I heard was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's asking what at what point will well? I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying, see if I'm wrong, help me out. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's saying, at what point will will net and

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<v Speaker 2>Yahoo stop?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's well said. Right now, it's roughly over forty thousands,

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<v Speaker 5>depending on who you use a source or is he committed.

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<v Speaker 2>To Okay, he's got the question, Go ahead, Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I think that's the million dollar question.

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<v Speaker 3>And I you know, if you ask manyau the refrain

594
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<v Speaker 3>he goes to his total victory, I think that is

595
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<v Speaker 3>an illusion. There is no such thing as as total

596
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<v Speaker 3>victory in this in this scenario, but there is uh

597
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<v Speaker 3>the real tangible goal of setting back the forces that

598
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<v Speaker 3>would try to annihilate Israel by decades, and that's a

599
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<v Speaker 3>huge win. I think that that is at the very

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<v Speaker 3>least what nan Yah who wants to accomplish. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas has been uh severely degraded in the past year.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gone from a very very potent finding force too.

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<v Speaker 3>As I just said, like basically a set of guerrilla

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<v Speaker 3>teams on the underground tunnels have been largely uh estimated

605
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<v Speaker 3>or or or at least taken care of. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when there's not one Israeli that I've spoken to at

607
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<v Speaker 3>least that is happy about all of the people in

608
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<v Speaker 3>Gaza that have been killed. But they all realize that

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<v Speaker 3>it's a necessary part of rooting out Camas because as

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<v Speaker 3>I said, they have to fight their enemy where their

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<v Speaker 3>enemy is and Hamas isn't gone yet, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>their ability to reorganize it and attack again is still

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<v Speaker 3>very very real for the Israelis. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to answer your question. I do know at least

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<v Speaker 3>some perspective maybe is you know Netnya, who was Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister when Sinwar was part of a hostage swap for

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<v Speaker 3>one Israeli soldier. In twenty eleven, over one thousand Palestinian

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<v Speaker 3>prisoners were released from Israeli jails, most of whom were

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<v Speaker 3>serving life sentences for murder, and Sinwar was one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do think that it's manifests for ned Yahoo

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<v Speaker 3>that he felt personally responsible in some respect, although he'll

622
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<v Speaker 3>never admit it for what happened on October seventh because

623
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<v Speaker 3>he okayed the deal to release Sinowar. But now that

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<v Speaker 3>sine War is dead, I think you're asking the question

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<v Speaker 3>that a lot of Israelis and the Israeli media and

626
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<v Speaker 3>the you know around the world is being asked to

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<v Speaker 3>is when's enough enough and and what else do you

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<v Speaker 3>need to accomplish? But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Dan pointed out there have been some real some real successes,

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<v Speaker 3>some real victories over the past couple of months, and

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<v Speaker 3>for Israel to lay down to stop now would be

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a military expert, but it would seem to

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<v Speaker 3>be a real strategic disadvantage to not press, to not

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<v Speaker 3>press the advantage that it has right now, and that, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>I think comes at the cost of you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen over the past year. I hope that's response

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<v Speaker 3>to the question, but I don't short the short.

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<v Speaker 5>Answer very well, very well sets to think and oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate that. Maybe just one follow up question to that,

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<v Speaker 5>you or somebody had mentioned that Iran is going to

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<v Speaker 5>pay a price or or that type of thing. But

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<v Speaker 5>actually I actually have more of a concern of Turkey,

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<v Speaker 5>meaning at some point they're going to and get involved

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<v Speaker 5>or do you think that's not a risk?

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<v Speaker 2>Then who's going to get I think you say, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you say Turkey. I disagree with the zie. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Turkey's nut doesn't want to be in this fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Jason, You're we got less than them in left.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, So I think that you know, if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at what what has happened over the past couple of months,

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<v Speaker 3>you know Iran has has uh the hooties and Hasbola

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<v Speaker 3>and Hamas. These are puppets on their strings and Israel

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<v Speaker 3>has been cutting the strings and in you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not I'm not very smart on this, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>what it looks like to me is that Israel is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of forcing Iran into a corner. It's either got

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<v Speaker 3>to step up or shut up. And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the game that's being played right now. You want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what Iran really is going to do. If it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to launch about a bunch of you know, impotent

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<v Speaker 3>missiles that get shot down, that's not really doing anything

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<v Speaker 3>except you know, making a symbolic statement. But as to

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<v Speaker 3>what Israel is going to do in response to what

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron's done, I think that, Yeah, who's waiting the CD

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<v Speaker 3>outcome of the election. I don't think it's necessarily going

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<v Speaker 3>to come in the next week or two, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like we come when he has a good tenor who's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the next president?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, gentlemen, I'm flat at a time. Zee are

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to just on the radio or on the internet?

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<v Speaker 3>Radio? Driving radio?

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<v Speaker 2>That is great? Do me a favorite? Come come on

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<v Speaker 2>back often? Will I love hearing from folks in different

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the country. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>No problem, We'll talk about the Packers next time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bart star guy. I want to get our starback. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you much, have a great one again. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>just thank you Jason for spending time with my audience tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for your courage. And long live the

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<v Speaker 2>State of Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>App shire the time.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll talk soon. For those of you on

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<v Speaker 2>the line, stay there. I will talk about this into

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<v Speaker 2>the next hour. I mean, I think it's a fascinating topic.

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<v Speaker 2>It impacts all of us, whether we realize it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. Coming back right after the

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<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock news here on night Side,