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Speaker 2: or whatever. I want to. Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 2: He's been with me now two or three times. Jason Greenberg,
Speaker 2: he's an attorney here in Boston, and he was in
Speaker 2: Israel on the night of the morning of October seventh,
Speaker 2: a year ago, when that horrific terrorist attack occurred. He
Speaker 2: was to meet with five family members that very day. Jason,
Speaker 2: let's just go back to October seventh. Briefly, tell us
Speaker 2: how you figured out what was going on. You're in Israel,
Speaker 2: You've gone to bed the night before, you were over
Speaker 2: there with your dad to meet relatives the next day.
Speaker 2: Just laying out so we know what your experience was
Speaker 2: back then, and then why you went back earlier this month.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to night side, and thank God you're back home,
Speaker 2: safe and sound.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Dannis, talk to you again. Well, I
Speaker 3: learned what was happening last year because I was woken
Speaker 3: up by irons and had to go to the bomb
Speaker 3: shelter and in the ensuing hours had to read and
Speaker 3: just I just had to witness the texts and what's
Speaker 3: that message is going on? The frantic messages going on
Speaker 3: from my relatives who lived in the south of Israel,
Speaker 3: abudding Gaza as they were being victimized by the attack
Speaker 3: on October seventh. As you mentioned, five of them, my
Speaker 3: cousins were either killed or taken. I I'll get to
Speaker 3: that when we discuss it. But my cousins Carmela don
Speaker 3: and Noya, her granddaughter, were killed. They were burned alive
Speaker 3: in their house at the Kidboots. Neros and my cousin's
Speaker 3: Opher and his two children, Sah and Ares, who also
Speaker 3: lived at Nero's, stayed in their bomb shelter as long
Speaker 3: as they could, and once it got too hot, literally
Speaker 3: they escaped through a window Hayden bushes and then when
Speaker 3: they tried to make a run for it, they were
Speaker 3: all captured. They were kept in Gaza Alfair remains there.
Speaker 3: His two children were released in November as part of
Speaker 3: the third round of the ceasefire exchanges last year.
Speaker 2: Two many children, if I recalled, they were like thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 2: and ten. They were young. I mean they were quite young.
Speaker 3: Turned thirteen in Captain Hicks sixteen. She turned sixteen shortly
Speaker 3: after being released, okay.
Speaker 2: And then the grandmother, she was about eighty and she
Speaker 2: died horribly. And she's an older woman, right.
Speaker 3: She was one of the She and her husband were
Speaker 3: or were two of the founding members of the kibbutz Neros,
Speaker 3: which is now scheduled to beat them. Yeah, nobody lives
Speaker 3: there anymore.
Speaker 2: And she she was she she was killed along with
Speaker 2: another of her granddaughters, Is that correct, with.
Speaker 3: One of her granddaughters, Noya, who was on the autism
Speaker 3: spectrum but was spending shabas at her grandma's as she did,
Speaker 3: like two or three times a month.
Speaker 2: And your cousin, Olpher I think was his name, Yep, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's probably close to your age. I mean, he's a
Speaker 2: he's a gentleman who's probably somewhere in his forties. If
Speaker 2: I had to guess.
Speaker 3: He's he would be fifty four now. He and for context,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the one of the most painful
Speaker 3: things to live with is that he is the least
Speaker 3: prioritized if there were to be any type of hostage
Speaker 3: deal because he's not a military he's not not a
Speaker 3: military age, he's not elderly, he's not you know, physically impaired,
Speaker 3: so there's really no there's no leverage to get him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course our hope is that he, like
Speaker 2: he and the other hostages, are alive. But it's been
Speaker 2: over year it's been over year, so we can think
Speaker 2: of him and try to send positive thoughts, but it's
Speaker 2: impossible to imagine what he must have adored in this
Speaker 2: last now going on thirteen months.
Speaker 3: So you would well as I said to you last time,
Speaker 3: and yeah, sorry, I only to interrupt you every but
Speaker 3: with him last time too. I mean, just like for
Speaker 3: every other hostages family, his children saharan eras you know,
Speaker 3: both tender age minors. They every day live with the
Speaker 3: uncertainty and the horror of not knowing the fate of
Speaker 3: their father, you know, one way or another, and they
Speaker 3: just the one thing that they want more than anything
Speaker 3: is to be able to move on with their lives,
Speaker 3: either with or without him, but to find closure either way.
Speaker 3: And that they represent every their hostage who gathers in
Speaker 3: Hostage Square in Tel Aviv, every other osage's family who
Speaker 3: gathers in Haustig Square in Tel Aviv every single night.
Speaker 3: You know, they they at this point it's not even
Speaker 3: necessarily about getting their loved ones back alive. It's just
Speaker 3: about getting them back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, horrible. So so you went back earlier this month?
Speaker 2: How long were you back in Israel? If I could
Speaker 2: ask further, two weeks two weeks.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Maybe the answer should be obvious to me, But why
Speaker 2: did you go back?
Speaker 3: Because my I mean, I go every year anyway, and
Speaker 3: more time or not in my family. You know, I
Speaker 3: have a lot of family there, and they all were
Speaker 3: asking me to come, even you know, given the circumstances.
Speaker 3: They they wanted me to be there with them. I
Speaker 3: wanted to be there with them, And I think they
Speaker 3: also wanted me to see what life is like there
Speaker 3: right now, because because I was there last year and
Speaker 3: it was exception an anomalous event and stringing events ever since.
Speaker 3: But they wanted to see what it is like on
Speaker 3: the ground in Israel right now and to kind of,
Speaker 3: it's the lack of a better word, educate me as
Speaker 3: to what they're living through every single day, as as
Speaker 3: well as you know, the rest of the population.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to take a break and we come back.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what you did see and
Speaker 2: how life has changed or how it hasn't changed, and
Speaker 2: all the circumstances. So you were there from just refresh
Speaker 2: my record life. You left on a Thursday, if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, I left on Thursday at the tenth and
Speaker 3: I returned on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you went from Thursday to tenth, and
Speaker 2: you returned.
Speaker 3: From Monday, Monday night.
Speaker 2: Monday night. Okay, so you're there from the tenth to
Speaker 2: the twenty first. So you were there for a week
Speaker 2: and a half and you got out. You just got
Speaker 2: out because your plane was one of the last planes
Speaker 2: to leave before l L I believe said they were
Speaker 2: not flying any more planes out because.
Speaker 3: Of what was shut downport, the whole airport until we leave,
Speaker 3: shut down to the terrorist.
Speaker 2: That's okay, we'll get to all of that. We'll get
Speaker 2: to all of that. I guess, is Jason Greenberg. If
Speaker 2: you'd like to talk to Jason, ask a question six
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio with me.
Speaker 2: Is Jason Greenberg, just back from Israel in the year
Speaker 2: that you were away from October seventh, from a year
Speaker 2: ago until this on this October. How's it different? How's
Speaker 2: it changed? How's it that's how is it the same?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I would describe to you as as really people as
Speaker 3: a whole, as intense driven, have a verb for life.
Speaker 3: And you know what I noticed really palpably this time.
Speaker 3: There is the the end has gone from the intense.
Speaker 3: It's just there's a real tension in the air everywhere
Speaker 3: you go. You know, the these people are living in
Speaker 3: a constant state of high alert and that is that
Speaker 3: care that results in a real fatigue. You know, it's
Speaker 3: there's uncertainty. You know, the wars, the war has gone
Speaker 3: on for a year now. There's no clear end in sight,
Speaker 3: especially with the inculcation of everything that's going on with
Speaker 3: Hesbola and the you know, seem seemingly impending confrontation with Iran.
Speaker 3: You know, things are coming to a boil, but it's it's, uh,
Speaker 3: it's a slow boil, if anything, So you can feel that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't speak for everybody there, obviously, but
Speaker 3: you know I interacted with a lot of people. I
Speaker 3: met with the Hostage Family Forum a number of times,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's it's Israel is definitely one word
Speaker 3: you could never use to describe it as cut and
Speaker 3: dry or simple, and it's certainly true now it's very
Speaker 3: complex and complicated, and you have everything from people walking
Speaker 3: around in true despair who are personally affected by the
Speaker 3: events of October seventh, easily family to those who are
Speaker 3: as I said, just that there's a real sense of
Speaker 3: uncertain to the uncertainty.
Speaker 2: In the air.
Speaker 3: People go about their daily lives as best as possible.
Speaker 3: But as I told you earlier, you know, virtually every
Speaker 3: day there's at least one siren, and these sirens are blaring,
Speaker 3: and you've just got to stop what you're doing and
Speaker 3: run to the closest bomb shelter. I mean one of
Speaker 3: the uh, one of the first things that I was
Speaker 3: told was just do what the Israelis do, you know,
Speaker 3: And when these sirens go off, they all go to
Speaker 3: a cement to room, no matter whose building it is
Speaker 3: or whatever. There were two times I was in a
Speaker 3: grocery store and literally had to drop the basket and
Speaker 3: just run to a bomb shelter, not necessarily afraid, but
Speaker 3: uncertain as to you know, was a was a rocket
Speaker 3: gonna fall, you know, in in dangerously close proximity.
Speaker 2: Uh. It's a way of life that, uh that I
Speaker 2: don't understand how people can can maintain their their composure.
Speaker 2: Let's let's in the time you were there, Israel has
Speaker 2: had some battlefield successes and I know that you and
Speaker 2: I see this a little differently. So I just want
Speaker 2: to ask the question, uh as as well as I
Speaker 2: can as A as you and I and we spoke early,
Speaker 2: say you have family in the game. You have you
Speaker 2: have family who are there. You have a cousin who's
Speaker 2: currently hostage. Hopefully he's still alive. But it would appear
Speaker 2: that the momentum in this situation has has really shifted
Speaker 2: dramatically in the last couple of months, beginning with the
Speaker 2: uh the electronics that exploded, the cell phones and the
Speaker 2: pagers that were on the peep the persons of the
Speaker 2: Hesbela actions. Israel has been successful and effective in taking
Speaker 2: out Hesbelah leadership that they took out last week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Yah Simwah, the head of Hamas. It's it's been an
Speaker 2: incredible turn of events. They they they now have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to punch back in Iran should they choose and
Speaker 2: and and I'm I you know, I root for Israel
Speaker 2: because I feel that there are people who are under
Speaker 2: siege and they've they've they've lived under bombardment for years
Speaker 2: almost from the time the country was born in May
Speaker 2: of nineteen forty eight. What is the feeling over there?
Speaker 2: Is there a feeling of hey, this might actually lead
Speaker 2: to a lasting piece or is this just another stop
Speaker 2: along the way? Uh and and Jmas and Hezbollah will
Speaker 2: come at them again, maybe another time, but there will
Speaker 2: be other there will be other assaults. Is there is there?
Speaker 2: Is it despair? Is it hope? What's what's the feeling
Speaker 2: on the ground? And I'm sure that different people have
Speaker 2: a different attitude, but what what is? What are you
Speaker 2: picking up?
Speaker 3: Sure? And I mean I would never presume to speak
Speaker 3: on a for a population as a whole. I can
Speaker 3: speak to I can speak to my experience, and that
Speaker 3: is that. You know, I think that most Israelis do
Speaker 3: not share the anti war sentiment that we experience here
Speaker 3: in the US and some other West turned countries because
Speaker 3: they are reluctant combatants. They were drawn into this, but
Speaker 3: you know, they the Israelis have the motto, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna shoot, shoot and don't talk, and that
Speaker 3: kind of pervades the thinking there. And there's a job
Speaker 3: to be done. Whether you know, a majority of Israelis
Speaker 3: don't like not yagu but they he's he's riding a
Speaker 3: wave of policies that most Israelis can get in bed with,
Speaker 3: and Israeli is winning on a number of fronts. It
Speaker 3: has strategic and tactical advantages that if you ask any
Speaker 3: Israeli on the street, I would say, they would agree
Speaker 3: need to be pressed. And you know, I think you
Speaker 3: you said it right in the latter portion of what
Speaker 3: you said is that you're not going to eradicate terror.
Speaker 3: You're not going to eradicate hamaso Hezmala. But the fact
Speaker 3: that there have been such resounding successes has shown has
Speaker 3: led to a sense of resilience and purpose that the
Speaker 3: job does need to be finished. And I think using
Speaker 3: the example of the pagers and the two way radios
Speaker 3: is a good one because it is representative of the
Speaker 3: targeted nature of how the Israeli military is carrying out
Speaker 3: its missions. And I would even argue that that applies
Speaker 3: to Gaza because it's meeting its enemy where it is
Speaker 3: and where its enemy is is hiding underneath women, children, hospitals,
Speaker 3: and Israel's would never choose, you know what, my cousins
Speaker 3: who have served, and my brother in law who served
Speaker 3: and you know, my thirteen year old nephew who you know,
Speaker 3: he'll get his draft carded in two and a half years.
Speaker 3: They all know that. They all say, you know, we
Speaker 3: would never want to go after people in a hospital
Speaker 3: or civilians. That's just not how we do things. But
Speaker 3: we have to meet our enemy where they are. We
Speaker 3: have to fight our enemy as they present themselves. And
Speaker 3: that's the that's the horrible reality that I think, you
Speaker 3: know that they're confronted with every day.
Speaker 2: My guess is, Jason Greenberg, he is back. What is
Speaker 2: your what's your future plans here? Are you going to
Speaker 2: go back at any point? Is this an annual visit?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: You know, just on a personal level, how tough was
Speaker 2: it to leave there? And also how tough was it
Speaker 2: to go back?
Speaker 3: It was tougher to leave than to go. You know,
Speaker 3: I I have a very strong sense of national identification
Speaker 3: with Israel. I have a lot of family who are
Speaker 3: part of its founding movements, you know, forming some of
Speaker 3: the nation's largest kid we've seen and working some of
Speaker 3: the largest private sector companies, you know, part of the
Speaker 3: startup nation, so to speak. And so I have a
Speaker 3: lot of ties there, and you know, I also have.
Speaker 3: You know, I have had the opportunity to meet with
Speaker 3: some of the people who are kind of really spearheading
Speaker 3: the movement to get the hostages out, and I'm taking
Speaker 3: what I was able to glean from that to continue
Speaker 3: the advocacy here from the US to figure out a
Speaker 3: way to get the remaining hostages out while not sacrificing
Speaker 3: the strategic objectives that ISTRO has to accomplish and in
Speaker 3: defeating its adversaries.
Speaker 2: It's such a you know, I told you today that
Speaker 2: I think of net Yell, you know, as true I
Speaker 2: think similarly, you know, and again I known everybody. I
Speaker 2: know everyone would not agree with me, and I don't
Speaker 2: know that you agree with me, So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: not going to ask that question. I just look at
Speaker 2: this as I believe he's the right person at the
Speaker 2: right time, and I guess history will will make that judgment.
Speaker 2: I know that he has had a controversial career and
Speaker 2: he is not universally loved loved in in Israel. But
Speaker 2: when I saw the video of the his home, his
Speaker 2: personal home was attacked by a drone and damage was
Speaker 2: done to the home. He neither he nor his wife
Speaker 2: were at home at the time, but it would be
Speaker 2: the equivalent of a drone attacking the White House.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, because it was his beach house.
Speaker 2: But yes, yes, okay, sure, yeah, but that's uh, it's
Speaker 2: it's extraordinary. It's just an extraordinary story. Let's do this, Jason.
Speaker 2: I want to invite people to call and share their thoughts,
Speaker 2: and I just think this is an important story. And
Speaker 2: here in America we're in the midst of a presidential election.
Speaker 2: All of us have concern about our own lives, and
Speaker 2: we can put Israel on the back burner every once
Speaker 2: in a while, except these horrific days like October seventh,
Speaker 2: when it comes back to the forefront of our mind.
Speaker 2: And I don't want us ever to forget Israel. So
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that some of our callers might have some
Speaker 2: questions to you as to what you saw, what you
Speaker 2: experienced in the last ten days. It certainly was an
Speaker 2: interesting period of time to be in Israel, for better
Speaker 2: or for worse. The number six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four to ten thirty or six month, seven nine three
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. I could talk to Jason Greenberg all night,
Speaker 2: but I would much refer to hear your comments and
Speaker 2: your observations. Feel free to join this conversation. My name
Speaker 2: is Dan Ray. This is Nightside in WBZ, Boston's News
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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZY,
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Speaker 2: My guess is Jason Greenberg. He's just back from Israel,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to give you an opportunity to talk
Speaker 2: to someone who has had on the ground experience. They
Speaker 2: both on the day, the horrific day of a year ago,
Speaker 2: October seventh, and who still lives with it every day
Speaker 2: because he lost two family members in the attack and
Speaker 2: one cousin remains a hostage, hopefully still alive in somewhere
Speaker 2: in Gossam. But I just kind of imagine. The one
Speaker 2: comment I wanted to make is I can remember as
Speaker 2: a young boy when we were concerned about nuclear war
Speaker 2: in this country, and I think you know that we
Speaker 2: were told at some point if there was ever a
Speaker 2: nuclear you know, assault, that if you were at school,
Speaker 2: you would hide unto your desk. Was in retrospect, It's
Speaker 2: like I wasn't going to do a lot of good
Speaker 2: in Israel because of the dome and the defense systems
Speaker 2: that Israel has a lot of the rockets ballistic missiles
Speaker 2: that have been launched from Iran were knocked down, but
Speaker 2: some of them did get through. How terrifying is it
Speaker 2: to be you're in a war zone at that point
Speaker 2: when you hear the sirens and you know that that
Speaker 2: rockets are on the way, it's a war zone, Jason.
Speaker 2: Maybe it may be a civilian population, but you're in
Speaker 2: a war zone. What is the feeling like?
Speaker 3: It feels like you're in a war zone. I mean,
Speaker 3: within hours of landing in Israel, I was with my
Speaker 3: family and virtually a mile and a half away we
Speaker 3: heard loud booms. They were rockets which were not shot
Speaker 3: down and landed just outside population centers, and we saw
Speaker 3: eighteen armed choppers scrambling to go about or to go
Speaker 3: assess the situations. It's a constant thrum of a war
Speaker 3: that is around on all sides, you know. And at
Speaker 3: the same time, I also, you know, I toward Nero's
Speaker 3: which is where my family was either killed or abducted
Speaker 3: from Mahalo's and and some other which is as well
Speaker 3: as the Nova Music festival site. And so you know,
Speaker 3: if there's a real despair he on the one hand,
Speaker 3: you know you have Daza less than a kilometer away
Speaker 3: from these places. And on the other hand, you have
Speaker 3: people who are having a run to shelters. That can't
Speaker 3: tell you the number of children under ten years old
Speaker 3: who were just screaming and crying every time these sirens
Speaker 3: were going off in hysteria, their parents trying to keep
Speaker 3: them calm. But similar to telling to telling kids to
Speaker 3: get under a desk onder the threat of a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 3: It's like it's you have the same chance of being
Speaker 3: in proximity to a rocket being fired by Hasbo as
Speaker 3: you do is hitting a red light in Newton. You know,
Speaker 3: it's it's just that, It's just that that wheels like it's.
Speaker 2: The luck of the draw. Yeah, simple is that. And
Speaker 2: this is again a group of people who have endured
Speaker 2: this now for decades. That is what is really extraordinary. Okay,
Speaker 2: got some calls. I'd love to have more. Six one, seven,
Speaker 2: two four ten thirty, six seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I want people to understand in our country what it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: because Israel is an ally of this country. Without Israel,
Speaker 2: the whole Middle East gets turned on its head. And
Speaker 2: for those of you out there who are listening and
Speaker 2: are thinking, well, this fight doesn't impact me or my kids.
Speaker 2: I'd like to tell you are dead wrong. You are
Speaker 2: dead wrong that without Israel standing in the breach, we
Speaker 2: would all be at much greater risk. You've been there.
Speaker 2: Am I overstating that that's that reality? Jason? If I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: tell me please?
Speaker 3: I mean I think you know by now I agree
Speaker 3: with you on that. And you know Israel is the
Speaker 3: only food democracy in the region, and is you know
Speaker 3: you could make the argument, and the argument has been
Speaker 3: made pretty forcefully by some pretty smart scholars, media, you know,
Speaker 3: politicians who have you that Israel's fighting our fight for US.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are terrorists anyway you look at it,
Speaker 3: who also want to harm America's interests wherever they lie.
Speaker 3: Don't forget, not mute Dan. But it's forty one years
Speaker 3: today today, forty one years ago two hundred Marines were killed,
Speaker 3: you know, guarding Lebanon in Beirut and two thousand, yeah,
Speaker 3: who drove two thousand pounds of explosives into the marine
Speaker 3: base Tesblah. These are not people. These are not America's friends,
Speaker 3: you know, and America or excuse me, Israel fans alone physically,
Speaker 3: at least with the backing of its allies, but to
Speaker 3: fight this fight with some very unfriendly neighbors in a
Speaker 3: rough neighborhood.
Speaker 2: It was the worst intelligence failing of the Reagan administration without.
Speaker 3: As arguably as as was October seventh.
Speaker 2: I think conversely, Yeah, yeah, I mean we should have
Speaker 2: known a little bit about it. Obviously that was a
Speaker 2: failure of the Netanyahu government, which I will acknowledge.
Speaker 3: But let's hope it it went maybe beyond night and yell.
Speaker 3: It was. It was from the upper echelons of the
Speaker 3: IDF that, honestly, they were too arrogant, and that this
Speaker 3: has been well documented by the WSJ. At the very
Speaker 3: least is that you know, there were clear alarm bells
Speaker 3: being wrung from rank and file soldiers for a long time.
Speaker 3: And then the enunciated strategy was, well, hamask could really
Speaker 3: only attack from the air, so we're just going to
Speaker 3: focus on rocket fire and missile attacks. They would never
Speaker 3: have the gall to or the organization to attack us
Speaker 3: for lander seed, and they were getting wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to some phone calls here, and again
Speaker 2: I invite you to call folks, whether you're you can
Speaker 2: ask a question of experience, or you can argue a
Speaker 2: point with either Jason or me. I think it's an
Speaker 2: important conversation. Some of you might not think it's important.
Speaker 2: You are so wrong. Mike and west Roxbury. Mike, next
Speaker 2: on nice side first, this are a nice side with
Speaker 2: Jason Greenberg. Go right ahead, Mike.
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, mister Greenberg, how I do. Thanks Mike for
Speaker 4: you So I'm fine. Before before I get to the
Speaker 4: top to my car. The reason for my calling into
Speaker 4: a tunnel. So if we start getting a little shaky
Speaker 4: with the reception, that's the reason why. Okay, Uh, it's
Speaker 4: a very pos My question to you is this, there
Speaker 4: was an offering, and my facts might be a little
Speaker 4: in the gray here, if you will. Okay, many years
Speaker 4: ago there was a meeting with an Israeli colonel and
Speaker 4: his adjective which which at the time was a major
Speaker 4: at the time. I don't know if it wasnt Yahoo
Speaker 4: that was in charge, or Zech Ravine or Chermone Perez
Speaker 4: I no, I don't remember it was. It was several
Speaker 4: years ago, but there was an offering of a land,
Speaker 4: if I recall perfectly to the Palestinians, Okay, and basically
Speaker 4: they're Basically, they were trying to say, hey, listen, you know,
Speaker 4: we want to try to get along with you, guys,
Speaker 4: we may not like you, we want to try to
Speaker 4: get along with everybody. So here is X amount of land.
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's try to be cool to each other
Speaker 4: for for a little while. Okay, do you recall this
Speaker 4: situation and how much of that plays until what's going
Speaker 4: on with the present situation right now? If if at all,
Speaker 4: what do you recall this period?
Speaker 3: Sure, and it's it's a really I think it's a
Speaker 3: really good description of as basically saying you know, you
Speaker 3: do you will do us, you know, we can live
Speaker 3: side by sign. And the offer was the same offer
Speaker 3: that's been given to the Palestinians at at least five
Speaker 3: times since like nineteen forty seven, and that was let's
Speaker 3: split Jerusalem and the Palestinians at the Palestine Authority for people.
Speaker 3: But the Palestine Authority has rejected that every single time
Speaker 3: by and said we either get all of it or
Speaker 3: none of it. And so that deal was reject Yeah,
Speaker 3: according to the Oslo Accords, which was walked away from
Speaker 3: the Clinton efforts. Every time the partition planned by the
Speaker 3: UN back in the forties, Like every time it has
Speaker 3: been how to create two tracks of land that can
Speaker 3: coexist and make a path for Palestinian statehood, you know,
Speaker 3: but there it has been rejected outright, even the most
Speaker 3: recently and I think two thousand and again the Abraham
Speaker 3: Accords were rejected by a boss saying without even looking
Speaker 3: at it and said we get And it was a.
Speaker 2: Boss is sor yesified who who rejected it as well,
Speaker 2: And yeah, and right on the money. He's right in
Speaker 2: the money. They've been in five at least five separate
Speaker 2: times where Israel offered a legitimate peace offer and the leadership,
Speaker 2: the leadership of the Palatine, the Palestinian people had no vote,
Speaker 2: but the leadership said no whole time.
Speaker 4: I'm just curious who at the time was tech beIN
Speaker 4: h Perez that was in charge at the time. I
Speaker 4: don't think it was that Yao wasn't.
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't that yo who The most recent well
Speaker 3: yell was in twenty twenty one for the Abraham Accords,
Speaker 3: but Ariel Sharon was the uh YEP and then hud
Speaker 3: Barak was the prime minister during the Clinton era. However,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's worth noting. I think that not
Speaker 3: Yah who actually you know, for as much as he
Speaker 3: loves to be in power, but nobody, I don't be
Speaker 3: hard pressed to argue that he was designed from government
Speaker 3: in two thousand and five when Israel unilaterally pulled out
Speaker 3: of the Gaza Strip, and the reason he stated was,
Speaker 3: he said, if we do it this way and we
Speaker 3: leave them without a functioning authority that can work with Israel,
Speaker 3: we are going we're essentially fertilizing terror and it's going
Speaker 3: to come back to haunt us. And he resigned from
Speaker 3: the government. I mean he came back. He came back
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine and was subsequently re elected.
Speaker 3: But he made you know, he made that statement then,
Speaker 3: and it is It's come true. You know that Israel
Speaker 3: pulled out for the reason that it did at the time.
Speaker 3: But it has not been in Gaza ever since Hamas
Speaker 3: took power in two thousand and six and has only
Speaker 3: grown to it to what it became last year, and
Speaker 3: now it's depleted into a basically a guerrilla team.
Speaker 2: But yes, it was prophetic. What time was prophetic? Mike?
Speaker 2: I'm up break, I loved you call man, you got
Speaker 2: to call the station. We got to call my show
Speaker 2: more often.
Speaker 4: Okay today, take care that guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks Michael, I have a great night. More calls for
Speaker 2: my guest Jason Greenberg. On the other side, we're talking
Speaker 2: about life in Israel today. He was there on October seventh,
Speaker 2: a year ago, twenty twenty three, and he's been back
Speaker 2: there this month for eleven days while some of the
Speaker 2: really the intense rocket fire of this month has been
Speaker 2: going on. I want to ask when we get back,
Speaker 2: what he feels Israel's next move is. I think Iran
Speaker 2: is going to pay a price. I have no clue
Speaker 2: as to what Netanyahu is likely to do. I'd love
Speaker 2: to know what Israeli people think. And we have a
Speaker 2: couple of callers lined up, and next up is Z
Speaker 2: from North Wisconsin. And I know I have never spoken
Speaker 2: a Z from North Wisconsin, but I look forward to
Speaker 2: the conversation and we'll be back. And the only lines
Speaker 2: that we're open right now the six, one, seven, in, two, five, four, ten, thirty.
Speaker 2: Join the conversation. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go next to Z, a caller from North Wisconsin. Z.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How's our signal tonight?
Speaker 5: I actually from.
Speaker 4: Or whatever it is here.
Speaker 5: Thank you joining yourself. Thank you for putting me on
Speaker 5: and appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm gonna have you if Z do me a favor.
Speaker 2: I'm losing you a little bit. If you could get
Speaker 2: to a spot in your house. I assume you're on
Speaker 2: a cell phone.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just make sure you speak right into that microphone
Speaker 2: so we can hear you. Where about northern Wisconsin. I
Speaker 2: have listeners in Wisconsin. How far up north? Are you.
Speaker 5: Almost too late? Superior?
Speaker 2: Good for you? Okay, has winter arrived yet?
Speaker 3: Ze?
Speaker 2: Has winter arrived? Okay?
Speaker 5: We've had tidyloss seventy three in the sunny weather, a
Speaker 5: little bit like living in southern California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's what we've had the last few
Speaker 2: days as well. Zee. I know you've never called before,
Speaker 2: so welcome to night Side. You're my guest. I'm Jason
Speaker 2: Greenberg UH, an attorney here in Boston who was in
Speaker 2: Israel on the morning of October seventh, a year ago,
Speaker 2: and he lost two family members, UH and one is
Speaker 2: still in captivity hopefully, and he has just returned from
Speaker 2: eleven days there this month, Go right ahead. What's your
Speaker 2: question of comment?
Speaker 5: Well, sure, thank you, and I appreciate what can and
Speaker 5: did say your intra that we were dead wrong. We
Speaker 5: don't understand over there, but I guess first of all,
Speaker 5: my uh uh loss of uh family and friends. What
Speaker 5: a what a horrible day to have to go through that.
Speaker 5: But anyway, you're welcome, uh and as a gentile interested
Speaker 5: guy and whatever may have a different prospect or perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the question simply is what do you think the
Speaker 5: target or limit that mister net Yak is going to
Speaker 5: Achiet with his stuff?
Speaker 4: What are they up to?
Speaker 5: Forty thousand?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 5: At what point in your AI do you think it
Speaker 5: will be a thousand?
Speaker 3: I'm just you breaking up a kind of just tiny,
Speaker 3: but I just want to make sure I understand the
Speaker 3: question that I.
Speaker 2: Think what he's saying, Yeah, I think what I heard was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's asking what at what point will well? I think
Speaker 2: he's saying, see if I'm wrong, help me out. I
Speaker 2: think he's saying, at what point will will net and
Speaker 2: Yahoo stop?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's well said. Right now, it's roughly over forty thousands,
Speaker 5: depending on who you use a source or is he committed.
Speaker 2: To Okay, he's got the question, Go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 3: I you know, I think that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 3: And I you know, if you ask manyau the refrain
Speaker 3: he goes to his total victory, I think that is
Speaker 3: an illusion. There is no such thing as as total
Speaker 3: victory in this in this scenario, but there is uh
Speaker 3: the real tangible goal of setting back the forces that
Speaker 3: would try to annihilate Israel by decades, and that's a
Speaker 3: huge win. I think that that is at the very
Speaker 3: least what nan Yah who wants to accomplish. You know,
Speaker 3: Hamas has been uh severely degraded in the past year.
Speaker 3: It's gone from a very very potent finding force too.
Speaker 3: As I just said, like basically a set of guerrilla
Speaker 3: teams on the underground tunnels have been largely uh estimated
Speaker 3: or or or at least taken care of. And you know,
Speaker 3: when there's not one Israeli that I've spoken to at
Speaker 3: least that is happy about all of the people in
Speaker 3: Gaza that have been killed. But they all realize that
Speaker 3: it's a necessary part of rooting out Camas because as
Speaker 3: I said, they have to fight their enemy where their
Speaker 3: enemy is and Hamas isn't gone yet, and you know
Speaker 3: their ability to reorganize it and attack again is still
Speaker 3: very very real for the Israelis. So I don't know
Speaker 3: how to answer your question. I do know at least
Speaker 3: some perspective maybe is you know Netnya, who was Prime
Speaker 3: Minister when Sinwar was part of a hostage swap for
Speaker 3: one Israeli soldier. In twenty eleven, over one thousand Palestinian
Speaker 3: prisoners were released from Israeli jails, most of whom were
Speaker 3: serving life sentences for murder, and Sinwar was one of those.
Speaker 3: So I do think that it's manifests for ned Yahoo
Speaker 3: that he felt personally responsible in some respect, although he'll
Speaker 3: never admit it for what happened on October seventh because
Speaker 3: he okayed the deal to release Sinowar. But now that
Speaker 3: sine War is dead, I think you're asking the question
Speaker 3: that a lot of Israelis and the Israeli media and
Speaker 3: the you know around the world is being asked to
Speaker 3: is when's enough enough and and what else do you
Speaker 3: need to accomplish? But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 3: Dan pointed out there have been some real some real successes,
Speaker 3: some real victories over the past couple of months, and
Speaker 3: for Israel to lay down to stop now would be
Speaker 3: I'm not a military expert, but it would seem to
Speaker 3: be a real strategic disadvantage to not press, to not
Speaker 3: press the advantage that it has right now, and that, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think comes at the cost of you know, what
Speaker 3: we've seen over the past year. I hope that's response
Speaker 3: to the question, but I don't short the short.
Speaker 5: Answer very well, very well sets to think and oh,
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Maybe just one follow up question to that,
Speaker 5: you or somebody had mentioned that Iran is going to
Speaker 5: pay a price or or that type of thing. But
Speaker 5: actually I actually have more of a concern of Turkey,
Speaker 5: meaning at some point they're going to and get involved
Speaker 5: or do you think that's not a risk?
Speaker 2: Then who's going to get I think you say, I
Speaker 2: think you say Turkey. I disagree with the zie. I
Speaker 2: think Turkey's nut doesn't want to be in this fight.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason, You're we got less than them in left.
Speaker 3: Sure, So I think that you know, if you look
Speaker 3: at what what has happened over the past couple of months,
Speaker 3: you know Iran has has uh the hooties and Hasbola
Speaker 3: and Hamas. These are puppets on their strings and Israel
Speaker 3: has been cutting the strings and in you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not very smart on this, but you know
Speaker 3: what it looks like to me is that Israel is
Speaker 3: kind of forcing Iran into a corner. It's either got
Speaker 3: to step up or shut up. And that's kind of
Speaker 3: the game that's being played right now. You want to
Speaker 3: see what Iran really is going to do. If it's
Speaker 3: going to launch about a bunch of you know, impotent
Speaker 3: missiles that get shot down, that's not really doing anything
Speaker 3: except you know, making a symbolic statement. But as to
Speaker 3: what Israel is going to do in response to what
Speaker 3: Aaron's done, I think that, Yeah, who's waiting the CD
Speaker 3: outcome of the election. I don't think it's necessarily going
Speaker 3: to come in the next week or two, you know,
Speaker 3: like we come when he has a good tenor who's
Speaker 3: going to be the next president?
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, I'm flat at a time. Zee are
Speaker 2: you listening to just on the radio or on the internet?
Speaker 3: Radio? Driving radio?
Speaker 2: That is great? Do me a favorite? Come come on
Speaker 2: back often? Will I love hearing from folks in different
Speaker 2: parts of the country. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: No problem, We'll talk about the Packers next time.
Speaker 2: I'm a bart star guy. I want to get our starback. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you much, have a great one again. Let me
Speaker 2: just thank you Jason for spending time with my audience tonight,
Speaker 2: and thank you for your courage. And long live the
Speaker 2: State of Israel.
Speaker 3: App shire the time.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk soon. For those of you on
Speaker 2: the line, stay there. I will talk about this into
Speaker 2: the next hour. I mean, I think it's a fascinating topic.
Speaker 2: It impacts all of us, whether we realize it or not.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. Coming back right after the
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock news here on night Side,