1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Governments classify information for I mean, it's really one primary. 2 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:05,799 Speaker 2: Reason at its core. 3 00:00:05,879 --> 00:00:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, they believe the public just isn't ready to see it, 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,720 or maybe that we shouldn't need to see it exactly. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,439 Speaker 2: It could compromise national security, operational secrets, that kind of thing. 6 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:17,519 It's the compact we all sort of. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Accept, right, It's the definition of the state's monopoly on 8 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:23,719 sensitive information. Yeah, but today we're diving into a premise 9 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:28,239 that is I think far more unsettling than just simple secrecy. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Much more what happens when that information is finally officially 11 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:36,240 released decades later, you know, after the threat has theoretically passed, 12 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:38,280 and it still makes absolutely no sense. 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: That's the ultimate information paradox. 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about documents where the incident is confirmed, the 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,119 paper itself is authenticated by the agency that created it. 16 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:51,799 Yet the official file gives you zero logical, conventional explanation 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,679 for what's inside. 18 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,679 Speaker 2: And that's where you move completely beyond the realm of 19 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:01,520 simple conspiracy theory. You land squarely in this space of documented, verified, 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,760 official ambiguity, and it forces you to confront this idea 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,920 that in these specific, really profound instances, the state may 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,599 know what happened, but they fundamentally do not know why 23 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:13,200 or how. 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: So the core secret wasn't the event. 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,879 Speaker 2: No, the core secret was the government's own utter lack 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,719 of comprehension. 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. Today, we're taking a deep look 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,719 at a stack of sources detailing exactly this phenomenon. We're 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,640 talking official reports, CIA files, Pentagon memos, cold war logs 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,560 that were just never meant for the public. 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,439 Speaker 2: And these records detail events and technologies that remain officially unidentified, unexplained, 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,200 or i mean straight up inexplicable according to our current 33 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:44,200 scientific models. 34 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: So our mission today is for you, the listener, to 35 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:50,200 quickly and thoroughly grasp the specific confirmed facts detail in 36 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:51,239 these reports. 37 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:54,599 Speaker 2: And to understand the deep, unsettling implications of that official ambiguity. 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,840 We're not just summarizing here. We're going to be analyzing 39 00:01:56,879 --> 00:02:00,959 the historical, the technical, and frankly the moral context of 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,079 these strange, strange documents. 41 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: We're looking for those specific aha moments, you know, those 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,240 details that sound like they're pulled from high concept science fiction, 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,360 but are confirmed historical facts, signed and sealed in government archives. 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,919 So let's start this unpacking at the very boundary of 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,400 human consciousness itself with a program dedicated to exploring the 46 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:28,199 seemingly impossible. So we begin with the Central Intelligence Agency, 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,840 the CIA and a program that many have heard of, 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,240 but maybe you don't know the full details about. It's 49 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,360 called Project Stargate. 50 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: And for anyone unfamiliar with the full context, this wasn't 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,680 some minor backroom study. This was a real program, so 52 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:43,919 serious one, oh yeah, funded by the CIA in the 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,319 late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, designed specifically to test 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,199 the viability of psychic abilities for gathering intelligence. 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,199 Speaker 1: The term they used was remote viewing, right, And. 56 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:55,159 Speaker 2: What needs to be emphasized here is that this was 57 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:58,879 operational research. This wasn't just theoretical. It was a direct 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,319 response to intelligen suggesting the Soviet Union was heavily invested 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,879 in similar psychic or psychotronic programs. 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,039 Speaker 1: So it's classic Cold War. They're doing it, so we 61 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,919 have to do it. 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: It's the typical Cold War one upmanship. Yeah, the US 63 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,240 felt compelled to match a potential threat, even one that 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,680 sounds this outlandish. We're talking about US taxpayer money funding 65 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,439 operational research into whether agents could psychically perceive data that 66 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,599 was geographically or and this is key chronologically inaccessible, and. 67 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: The government confirmed all this. It's not a secret anymore. 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Thousands of pages were declassified, establishing that the program was real, 69 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,080 that dozens of people were trained as viewers, and that 70 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,879 the CIA invested serious methodological resources into this whole endeavor. 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: Indeed, and you know, while the vast majority of the 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,719 documentation is, let's be honest, pretty dry. 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of methodology reviews, failed. 74 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:56,199 Speaker 2: Targets exactly, internal debates about statistical significance. But there is 75 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,240 one specific session transcript from nineteen eighty four that acts 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,879 as a lightning rock for the entire paradox of this program. 77 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,800 It just defies all known rational explanation, and yet it 78 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,280 was still archived as legitimate intelligence data. 79 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. The nineteen eighty four Mars session. 80 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:13,039 This is where the verifiable facts start to sound like 81 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:13,840 a fever dream. 82 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: It really is. So a remote viewer who was only 83 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,600 identified by a program number to maintain anonymity. It was 84 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:22,519 brought in for a session, and as per protocol, the 85 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,600 viewer was given a sealed envelope. 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: Right, they don't know the target. That's the whole point 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:26,959 of the text. 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,399 Speaker 2: Correct. Inside the envelope is a set of geographic and 89 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,959 chronological coordinates. The viewer has no idea what they are. 90 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:36,800 The task is simple, describe what you. 91 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: See, and the official transcript, which is now public record, 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,800 details the viewer's experience. It starts with this almost immediate 93 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,439 sense of desolation. 94 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:50,879 Speaker 2: And massive ancient structures. The viewer describes them as pyramids 95 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,519 and these huge shelters built deep into the ground, almost 96 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,240 like they were designed to withstand something catastrophic. 97 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:59,199 Speaker 1: The specificity is what's so jarring. It's what prevents you 98 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:03,519 from just dismissing it. The viewer detailed thin atmospheric conditions, 99 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,040 intends cold and structures that look like they were designed 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,680 for and I'm quoting here, towering humanoid figures. 101 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: And a civilization that was actively dying a collapse of 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,319 some sort, maybe from environmental change or some kind of conflict. 103 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,360 It's all in the transcript. 104 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: And then comes the moment, the part that makes this 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,000 entire document a piece of unsettling history. After the detailed 106 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,839 description was rendered and recorded, the session supervisor breaks the 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,199 seal and reveals the target that corresponded to those coordinates. 108 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: And it wasn't a modern Soviet missile silo. 109 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a current political hotspot or a terrorist 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:38,800 training camp. 111 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: The target was Mars, approximately one million years in the past. 112 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,079 Speaker 1: Just let that sink in Mars a million years ago. 113 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: That chronological parameter alone, just justsed it places the session 114 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:55,279 completely outside of any known scientific or intelligence framework. We 115 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,240 are talking about the United States government attempting to psychically 116 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,319 access deep geological history on another planet. 117 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:03,399 Speaker 1: Think about the magnitude of that request. I mean the 118 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,720 viewers describing non human intelligent beings, their environment, their architecture, 119 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:11,360 their downfall. And the CIA, arguably the most rigorous intelligence 120 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,040 body in the world, didn't halt the session and declared 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,399 a fantasy or a psychotic break. 122 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: No, that's the central, unexplainable aspect of this. They recorded 123 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,680 the data, treated it as a functional session, and completed 124 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,240 the formal archival process. 125 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: They didn't discard it. 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,879 Speaker 2: It was archived identically to sessions that were aimed at, 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,680 say locating hostages or spying on Russian facilities. It was 128 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,519 treated as a piece of intelligence data, no matter how 129 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,120 extreme that needed to be kept. 130 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,319 Speaker 1: And when these files were finally declassified, the agency confirmed 131 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,920 the authenticity of the documents. They confirmed the session happened 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,519 exactly as written. 133 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:52,199 Speaker 2: That the supervisor did, in fact, asked someone to look 134 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:55,879 one million years into the Martian past and then formally 135 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:56,879 logged the result. 136 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: And here's the ambiguity. They offered no official explanation for 137 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,319 its existence, for its content, or why on earth they 138 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:05,439 kept it for decades. 139 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: So we have to analyze the implications of that decision 140 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,759 to archive it. Why would the government spend time and 141 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,519 resources on this, and why would they archive a detailed 142 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:17,040 description of an ancient Martian civilization unless some part of 143 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,079 the intelligence community treated the result as legitimate data that 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,199 required preservation. 145 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: The implications are almost philosophical. If they archived it, it 146 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,319 suggests that their internal methodology for deciding what was useful 147 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:32,879 psychic data was well, it was far wider than simple 148 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,600 target verification. They weren't just checking if it was right 149 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,000 or wrong. 150 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: They were logging range exactly. If you peel back the layers, 151 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:43,199 the true fear might not have been the Martian civilization itself. 152 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,800 The fear might have been the confirmed capability of the viewer. 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,439 If they had already validated this person as capable of 154 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:55,000 accessing any sealed coordinate, geographic or temporal, then the extreme 155 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:58,199 nature of the Martian coordinate just becomes a test of 156 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,759 the outer limits of that range. 157 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Fundamentally changes their perception of history, doesn't it. If the 158 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,160 government even theoretically validates the ability to access the past, 159 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,319 then history is no longer a fixed, settled record. It's 160 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,399 potentially accessible, exploitable data. That is the truly unsettling implication here. 161 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,319 Speaker 2: And in the intelligence world. The mere potential for an 162 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,759 adversary to possess that capability, or for you to possess it, 163 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:26,160 necessitates documentation. They classified their own belief and the possibility 164 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,639 of psychic time travel, and now we are left holding 165 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:30,480 the evidence of that internal belief. 166 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,639 Speaker 1: Okay, let's pivot sharply from the psychological battlefield of the 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:40,039 mind to the terrifyingly real battlefield of covert operations. We're 168 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,840 moving from untraceable knowledge to untraceable. 169 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: Action, physical, lethal, political warfare designed to be absolutely silent 170 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,159 and deniable. 171 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. This next set of documents forces us to confront 172 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:54,960 the extreme secrecy surrounding US intelligence operations in the mid 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,639 twentieth century. We are examining specific instances where the state 174 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,840 created mechanisms for play plausible deniability that just they pushed 175 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,000 the boundaries of law and. 176 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: Reality, and we start with something that sounds like it's 177 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:08,080 out of a spy movie, but it is one hundred 178 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:08,840 percent real. 179 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: The heart Attack gun. This is in folklore. This came 180 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,080 out during the nineteen seventy five US Senate investigation into 181 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:17,720 intelligence misuses, specifically the Church Committee hearings. 182 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: Right. These hearings were established to uncover just how far 183 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,480 intelligence agencies had strayed from their mandates, and the CIA 184 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:29,480 was forced to disclose several covert assassination tools. 185 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,799 Speaker 1: And the efficiency and I think the simplicity of this 186 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:36,000 specific weapon are just chilling. 187 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: It truly is a document of profound moral ambiguity. So 188 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,519 the weapon was internally referred to as the heart Attack gun. 189 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,840 During the congressional testimony, they described and even demonstrated the 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,840 mechanics in harrowing detail. It was designed to fire a 191 00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:54,360 specialized projectile, a dart, but a. 192 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,279 Speaker 1: Very specific kind of dart. It had to be solid 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,840 enough to be fired from a gun, but it had 194 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,960 to vanish upon impact, no evidence precise. 195 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: The dart was frozen and composed of a toxin which 196 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:06,840 the reports often identify as being derived from shellfish. It 197 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,600 was engineered to deliver this toxin deep into the bloodstream 198 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:10,559 of a target. 199 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: And crucially, the dart would dissolve almost instantly because of 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,879 body heat. It would leave no trace of the delivery mechanism, 201 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,279 no entry wound, no foreign object for a corner defined. 202 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,039 Speaker 2: And the function of the toxin itself was the final 203 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,840 layer of deniability. It was specifically designed to induce cardiac arrest. 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: Perfectly mimicking a natural fatal heart attack, right correct. 205 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: The ultimate weapon of deniability. An autopsy performed afterward the 206 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,759 standard procedure would show no signs of poisoning, no trace 207 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:40,960 of a projectile, no external trauma. The medical examiner would 208 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,480 certify the death as a natural cardiac event. 209 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:47,799 Speaker 1: We know from the declassified testimony that the CIA admitted 210 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:51,039 the weapon existed. They showed its mechanics to the committee. 211 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,639 They confirmed testing had been successfully conducted. It was a 212 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:57,240 verifiable operational capability. 213 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,879 Speaker 2: But what defines the paradox here, the piece of information 214 00:10:59,879 --> 00:11:03,480 that remains eternally classified is the one question everyone. 215 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: Has was it ever actually used? 216 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:08,519 Speaker 2: Was it ever used in an operational context to assassinate 217 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,960 a foreign leader or maybe even a domestic target, And 218 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:13,279 that history is locked away. We know the intent. We 219 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,600 know the engineering, and we know the successful testing, but 220 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,679 the historical application, the final moral accounting, is permanently classified, 221 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,879 and that leaves this massive void in the historical record. 222 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: We're left only with the certainty that the state created 223 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:32,120 the perfect tool for untraceable murder without ever confirming whether 224 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,120 they actually pulled the trigger. That uncertainty itself is a 225 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:36,639 powerful mechanism of control. 226 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:42,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if that level of individual assassination capability is disturbing. 227 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,519 Speaker 1: The concept of state sponsored mass domestic terror is well, 228 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,159 it's even. 229 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,519 Speaker 2: Worse, which brings us directly to Operation Northwoods. 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 231 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,919 Speaker 2: Operation Northwoods is arguably one of the most morally bankrupt 232 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,000 documents ever officially released by the US government. I mean 233 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:01,639 it moves beyond covert foreign operations and into explicit, high 234 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,320 level planning to attack US civilians for political gain. 235 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: Give us the context, When was this drafted and who's 236 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:08,840 behind it? 237 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:12,519 Speaker 2: So Northwards was a classified proposal drafted in nineteen sixty 238 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:15,200 two by the US Department of Defense. This is a 239 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,000 height of Cold War tensions. The Cuban crisis is simmering, 240 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,159 but what makes it so terrifying is its origin. It 241 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,799 was signed by Lyman Lemnitzer, the chairman of the Joint 242 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,639 Chiefs of Staff. 243 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: So this wasn't some back of the envelope concept from 244 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,919 a low level. 245 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 2: Analyst, not at all. This was a formal proposal, debated 246 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,000 and signed at the absolute highest military echelon, and. 247 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: The plan's objective was to manufacture a pretext, a reason 248 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,279 for military action against Cuba. They felt President Kennedy needed 249 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,080 overwhelming public support and international justification for an invasion to 250 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,360 topple Castro. 251 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: And to create that pretext, the plan outlined a series 252 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,759 of what are called false flag operations. 253 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: For the listener, a false flag is an operation where 254 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,840 an action is deliberately carried out by one party, but 255 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,120 it's designed to look like it was carried out by 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,480 someone else exactly. 257 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: In this case, US military forces would conduct acts of 258 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:09,639 terrorism and then blame Cuban forces for them. 259 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: And the specific proposed actions detailed in the official document 260 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:14,759 are They're truly chilling. 261 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: They planned to stage attacks in American cities. They talked 262 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,840 about sinking refugee boats carrying Cubans who were seeking asylum 263 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:21,799 in the US. 264 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,279 Speaker 1: And hijacking aircraft and blaming all of these incidents publicly 265 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,440 and vehemently on the Cuban regime. The goal was to 266 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,559 create a manufactured consensus for war through manufactured domestic terror 267 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:33,080 and grief. 268 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: The documents confirmed they even considered faking a Cuban attack 269 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:39,879 on the US base at Guantanamo Bay, which would have 270 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:44,120 involved destroying US military equipment and creating fach casualty lists. 271 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: It reads like a movie script that would be rejected 272 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,600 for being too extreme, too unbelievable. Yet the sources confirmed 273 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,840 the document's reality, its accuracy, and its high level approval. 274 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: And it was declassified decades later in the nineteen nineties 275 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,519 as part of the JFK Assassination Records Review Board efforts. 276 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,399 Speaker 1: The only thing that stopped this plan from potentially resulting 277 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,720 in the mass murder of US citizens was President Kennedy. 278 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: He explicitly and immediately rejected the proposal. But the central 279 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,720 ambiguity here isn't the rejection. It's how close the plan 280 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,240 came to being approved, and, maybe more importantly, the institutional 281 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:22,720 culture that allowed such a radical, domestically focused plan to 282 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,879 be formally drafted and signed by the Chairman of the 283 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:26,159 Joint Chiefs in the first place. 284 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't the very existence of the plan signed at that 285 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:32,200 level suggest that during the Cold War, a fundamental breakdown 286 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:36,240 of American political and moral guardrails was considered acceptable. 287 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,639 Speaker 2: That is the chilling takeaway. The architects of this plan 288 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:42,960 held the highest military responsibility in the country, and their 289 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 official recommendation was calculated mass deception and murder to achieve 290 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,399 geopolitical aims. That level of institutional disregard for human life, 291 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,159 even if it was ultimately rejected by the President, it 292 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,159 speaks to a deeply unsettling reality within the halls of 293 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,559 power during the Cold War. 294 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,279 Speaker 1: And the ambiguity is the lack of institutional explanation for 295 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,399 the drafting itself. Not why Kennedy rejected it, but why 296 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,360 limitits are signed it. 297 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: We've never gotten one. 298 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:11,879 Speaker 1: All right, Let's shift our focus to the ultimate existential threat, 299 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,759 the Cold War and nuclear weapons. We move from targeted, 300 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,240 covert chaos to system wide automated annihilation. 301 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the documents here focus on systems that were designed 302 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:29,039 to maintain control and terrifying reports that detail catastrophic losses 303 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,039 of that very control. 304 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:32,879 Speaker 1: This segment really deals with the architecture of global. 305 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:35,679 Speaker 2: Destruction, and we have to begin with the Soviet Union's 306 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:41,000 classified nuclear failsafe known internally as Perimeter, but universally dreaded 307 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:44,039 in the West as the dead Hand system. This is 308 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,159 automation taken to its most extreme, irreversible and terrifying conclusion. 309 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: This system was the absolute last resort. So explain to 310 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,519 the listener what made dead Hands so different from a 311 00:15:55,559 --> 00:16:00,000 conventional retaliatory system, which usually requires multiple human approval. 312 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: So dead Hand was specifically designed as a tertiary response system. 313 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,879 It was built for the scenario of effective decapitation. 314 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:09,559 Speaker 1: Meaning a first strike has already happened. 315 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,279 Speaker 2: An overwhelming first nuclear strike that has wiped out the 316 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:16,279 entire Soviet command structure, the Politburo, the General staff, the 317 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:20,679 conventional military chain of command. The system, relying purely on technology, 318 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,000 would be the final word in an apocalypse, so. 319 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,279 Speaker 1: It was designed to function when no humans were left 320 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:28,919 to authorize the response. What were the trigger conditions? How 321 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:30,240 did it know to activate? 322 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: The system used a highly sophisticated set of sensors to 323 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,120 detect overwhelming evidence of a nuclear strike. We're talking massive 324 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:44,279 synchronous radiation spikes across huge territories, severe seismic activity consistent 325 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,440 with groundbursts, widespread communication blackouts suggesting command centers were. 326 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,279 Speaker 1: Hit and even sharp atmosphere pressure change with all of 327 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 it all at once, And the terrifying detail confirmed by 328 00:16:55,399 --> 00:17:00,679 declassified reports is the automated response. If those conditions were met, 329 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,960 the Perimeter system would automatically authorize and launch a full 330 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:05,039 nuclear retaliation. 331 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,599 Speaker 2: Crucially, yes, it required no human approval. It was designed 332 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,119 to act when the humans capable of command were presumed 333 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,079 to be dead. The first stage was launching special command 334 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,680 missiles that would fly over the country and transmit launch 335 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,000 codes directly to every surviving missile, silo and submarine that 336 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:21,759 could still fire. 337 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: It was designed to guarantee mutual assured destruction even if 338 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,720 the entire USSR leadership was. 339 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 2: Gone exactly, and the true horror, which was revealed in 340 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,240 the documents declassified after the Soviet collapse, is that, once activated, 341 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,920 the system could not be easily shut down. It operated 342 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,079 outside the normal command structure and relied entirely on complex, 343 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,400 pre programmed logic, and officials admitted it had been fully 344 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,599 operational for years. 345 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,799 Speaker 1: But the paradox we were looking at here is the 346 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:54,000 official ambiguity around the operational logs. The full logs of 347 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:56,160 this system are still unreleased. 348 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,839 Speaker 2: Which leaves us with the chilling unknown. How close did 349 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,000 it come to triggering? We know from partial reports that 350 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:06,319 several Cold War incidents suggested false censor readings nearly activated 351 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,039 the dead hand. 352 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: So imagine a massive geomagnetic storm from the Sun, or 353 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,079 a flock of migrating geese registering on radar as a 354 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:15,720 missile attack, or just a simple software glitch. 355 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: If even a handful of technical anomalies had the potential 356 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,279 to bypass human judgment and initiate global destruction, that tells 357 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,440 us the stability of the entire Cold War equilibrium was 358 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:28,079 far more precarious than the public ever understood. 359 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,799 Speaker 1: It's the difference between human error and systemic failure. 360 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,039 Speaker 2: Exactly the state knows the system was flawed, that it 361 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,799 was dangerously vulnerable to environmental or technical misinterpretations, but they 362 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,240 will not disclose the specifics of those near fatal errors. 363 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,400 The knowledge that civilization hung on the thread of a failsafe, 364 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,480 that itself frequently experienced near failure. That is the uncomfortable 365 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:53,279 truth the government keeps classified. 366 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:56,519 Speaker 1: And while control systems are meant to maintain order, the 367 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:01,440 records concerning unaccounted nuclear material confirmed just how chaotic things became. 368 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:05,039 Oh yeah, we're constantly assured that governments tracked nuclear weapons 369 00:19:05,079 --> 00:19:10,799 and radioactive materials with extreme perfect precision, the ultimate level 370 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:11,680 of accountability. 371 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: That premise of perfect precision is completely shattered by the 372 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 numerous classified reports filed regarding missing or unaccounted for nuclear 373 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,440 material throughout the Cold War. And we're not talking about 374 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,680 misplaced paper clips here. 375 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:25,599 Speaker 1: No, we are discussing weapons grade components that were just 376 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,119 lost in the system. 377 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:31,039 Speaker 2: The sheer scale of loss is astonishing. When portions of 378 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:33,960 these reports were declassified, it became clear that while some 379 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,559 incidents were explicable you know, transportation accidents, lost aircraft carrying nuclear. 380 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,759 Speaker 1: Payloads, right, things you can explain away. 381 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: Many others were far more difficult to explain and critically 382 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:50,440 were never resolved. In several documented cases, nuclear material potentially 383 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:53,240 facile cores or material capable of being fashioned into a 384 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,559 crude device, was listed as missing with no confirmed recovery. 385 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,839 Speaker 1: That goes way beyond an accounting error. This is material 386 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,839 capable of massive destruction just going into an unrecoverable void. 387 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: And compounding the problem where these secondary reports detailing unexplained 388 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,000 radiation spikes, they were detected in locations where no weapons 389 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,960 were known to be deployed, tested. 390 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,839 Speaker 1: Or stored, which suggests one of two things. Either material 391 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,720 was present where it should absolutely not be, or perhaps 392 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,759 material is tested where it should absolutely not be. 393 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,759 Speaker 2: And here is the official evasion. We have to focus on. 394 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:31,160 The declassified files often ended so vaguely using terms like inconclusive, 395 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:36,359 ongoing investigation or they just stopped abruptly with no final conclusion. 396 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,559 Governments declined to comment on these specific gaps, which means 397 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:43,519 there is no complete public accounting of every reported loss 398 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:45,400 or unexplained radiation event. 399 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:48,279 Speaker 1: So we're left at the evidence that the government's lost 400 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,079 control of the most dangerous materials on the planet, and 401 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,440 the only knowledge they are willing to share is the 402 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,240 fact of their own failure to account for it. 403 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: The distinction between we won't tell you where the material 404 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:00,000 is and we genuinely don't know where there are is 405 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,200 material is is the difference between controlled secrecy and sheer 406 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,559 systemic failure, and the ambiguity in these declassified files suggests 407 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,319 it was a mix of both. The state classified its 408 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:13,319 own systemic failure to maintain nuclear accountability. 409 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: Now we arrive at what is probably the single largest 410 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,079 cluster of unexplained documents. It spans decades, multiple nations, and 411 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,279 multiple layers of sensor verification. We're talking about confirmed encounters 412 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:29,799 with objects that, according to official logs, define known physics 413 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:33,279 and conventional explanation. These are the UAPs. 414 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: It's so crucial that we established the high credibility of 415 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,960 these sources right from the start. We are talking about repeated, 416 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:45,359 multisensor documented encounters involving highly trained personnel, not just you know, 417 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,720 anecdotal sightings. The paradox here is that the government is 418 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,039 confirming the anomaly but refusing to provide the explanation. 419 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Let's focus first on the US Navy encounters that occurred 420 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,599 between twenty four and twenty fifteen off the Pacific coast. 421 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,720 These were not isolated flashes of light. These were consistent, 422 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:05,359 often daily encounters happening near military training zones, sometimes for years. 423 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: Ocsional high level pilot reports, which are mandatory after an anomaly. 424 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,880 High resolution forward looking infrared or FLR footage and internal 425 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,920 Navy briefings de Penagon later confirm the authenticity of all 426 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,039 of this documentation and footage, solidifying these incidents as historical fact. 427 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: So the specific facts the listener needs to grasp are 428 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,880 the physics defying capabilities of these objects, which the government 429 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,039 officially labeled unidentified aerial phenomenon, describe the maneuvers that violate 430 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,559 known aeronautical science. 431 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: Okay, The documents detail four primary maneuvers that just break 432 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,640 our current understanding of propulsion and inertia. First, they were 433 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,519 observed accelerating from extreme altitude, say eighty thousand feet, down 434 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,039 to sea level in a matter of seconds, as impossible 435 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,039 to achieve that kind of acceleration in Earth's atmosphere without 436 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,880 immediate structural failure or massive heat generation is impossible with 437 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,839 any known technology. The g forces alone would tear a 438 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:09,200 part any known airframe, let alone any biological entity that 439 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:09,920 might be inside. 440 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:10,839 Speaker 1: Okay, what's second. 441 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:14,759 Speaker 2: Second, they were capable of sustained hovering without any visible 442 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:19,559 propulsion system, no wings, no jets, no rotors, violating every 443 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:24,279 principle of lift. Third, they traveled at documented hypersonic speeds 444 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,400 Mock five or greater without producing the requisite sonic booms, which. 445 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: Implies some form of energy manipulation that alters the air 446 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,440 pressure around the object, a technology far beyond our current grasp. 447 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: Right, and Fourth, and perhaps the most disturbing from a 448 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,680 logistical standpoint, they appeared to drop into the ocean without 449 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,279 slowing down. They transition seamlessly between atmospheric flight and submergence, 450 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,920 a trans medium capability without a splash, without debris or 451 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,000 any visible reaction to the immense shift and density. 452 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: The government confirmed these facts. They confirmed the objects were 453 00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:01,880 under intelligent control, yet they maintained the efficient label unidentified. 454 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: This is the masterpiece of evasion we talked about. They 455 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,279 proved the unknown as real, but they offered no interpretive framework, 456 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,480 no bridge from the anomaly to knowledge. 457 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: Let's move across the Atlantic. We had the infamous Rendalscham 458 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,799 Forest incident in the UK from December nineteen eighty near 459 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,480 raf Bentwaters. Initially this was dismissed publicly, Yeah. 460 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: But the official truth surfaced years later in the form 461 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,759 of what's known as the Halt Memo. 462 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt, the deputy base commander, a high ranking, 463 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,039 highly credible witness. 464 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,519 Speaker 2: Exactly his memorandum, which was suppressed for years but eventually declassified, 465 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,839 details his team's investigation of the event. He described a 466 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,279 glowing metallic object maneuvering silently through the trees, emitting beams 467 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,079 of light down to the ground, and later performing these 468 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,400 acrobatic maneuvers in the sky before splitting into multiple airborne objects. 469 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: But what moved this beyond just a visual sighting and 470 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,599 into hard physical evidence. 471 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: The physical component was keyation readings were taken at the 472 00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:04,440 landing site by Halt's own personnel, and they were officially 473 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,799 recorded as being significantly above background levels, concentrated right in 474 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,319 the area where the object was reported to have settled. 475 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: So this wasn an a hallucination. It left a measurable 476 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,640 physical trace. 477 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: And the military never disputed the memos authenticity once it 478 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,079 was declassified, but their official stance was just bureaucratic paralysis. 479 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,680 They concluded that no threat was identified. The question of 480 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,279 the object's identity, despite the documented physical evidence and a 481 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,400 high ranking military witness, remains officially unanswered. They confirmed the 482 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,799 event occurred, but classified the identity of the physical object 483 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:39,079 that caused it, and this. 484 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,079 Speaker 1: Pattern of internal acknowledgment versus public dismissal is systematically confirmed 485 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,160 by the vast document release from the UK Ministry of Defense. 486 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,559 For decades, the mad maintained a public stance that they 487 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,119 did not seriously investigate UFOs. 488 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: And then between twenty eight and twenty thirteen they released 489 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,279 over one hundred and fifty thousand cages of files. 490 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: And what do the internal assessments revealed that contradicted their 491 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,720 public denial. 492 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: The internal analysis contained a massive contradiction. Memos from intelligence 493 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,359 analysts explicitly acknowledged objects that displayed acceleration, maneuverability, and stealth 494 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,680 capabilities beyond known technology. The analysts admitted in their own 495 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,640 internal documents that some sightings could not be attributed to 496 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:24,160 known aircraft, atmospheric phenomena, or sensor errors. They confirmed the 497 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,839 existence of craft superior to anything they possess. 498 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:32,279 Speaker 1: So internally, their top analysts confirmed that genuinely unidentified physics 499 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:36,799 defying craft were real in operating in UK airspace, posing 500 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640 a technological mystery, if not an immediate threat. 501 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,319 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and yet the final public conclusion of the entire 502 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,319 modern investigation was that UFOs posed no threat and were 503 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:49,440 not worth further study, and the dedicated desk was shut down. 504 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,839 Speaker 1: The contradiction between the internal findings and the public dismissal 505 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,880 was never explained. 506 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: No, it highlights a conscious, deliberate, high level decision to 507 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:01,559 minimize a confirmed anomaly to the public while internally acknowledging 508 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,680 its reality and superior capability. 509 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,559 Speaker 1: Now we turn to perhaps the most extreme and difficult 510 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:13,400 to categorize document in the UAP cluster, the Siberian petrification incident. 511 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this report is so strange that its mere existence 512 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,119 in the archives is the paradox we have to examine. 513 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: This specific incident appears in the little known CIA document 514 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,279 based on alled Soviet intelligence reports from the nineteen fifties. 515 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,200 So we have to view this through a lens of 516 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,200 extreme skepticism about the events themselves. 517 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: But with one hundred percent certainty regarding the CIA's decision 518 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,400 to archive it. 519 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: Right, the sources convoluted a CIA translation of an extreme 520 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,480 Soviet claim, but the content is scientifically impossible describe the 521 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:44,119 alleged event. 522 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so the extreme claim states that villagers observed a 523 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,519 low flying disc shaped or spherical object. Soviet soldiers were 524 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,680 then dispatched to investigate the site and allegedly fired at 525 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,519 the object, initiating some kind of confrontation. 526 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: And the result, according to this report, sounds like something 527 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,920 out of a horror film. 528 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: The object emitted an intense flash of light, and afterward 529 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:08,359 the Soviet soldiers were found turned into a stone like substance, 530 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,319 suggesting some form of instantaneous petrification rather than conventional trauma 531 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:13,960 or burning. 532 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,039 Speaker 1: The crucial point for our discussion is the CIA's handling 533 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,119 of this report. The agency did not verify the account, 534 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,720 nor could they have, But they also didn't dismiss it 535 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,960 as a hoax or as Soviet propaganda or a fabrication. 536 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,559 Speaker 2: No, it was translated, meticulously logged, and archived in official 537 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,920 intelligence files, where it remained classified for decades. 538 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Why why preserve an unverified and scientifically extreme report like that? 539 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,480 If it was clearly false? Why not label it as 540 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,880 known Soviet disinformation and just discard it? The unanswered archival 541 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,359 decision is the true mystery. 542 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: That decision suggests a fascinating aspect of intelligence methodology. When 543 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,759 you're dealing with an adversary, you have to log and 544 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,000 analyze not just what you know is true, but what 545 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,279 the adversary claims is true, or what you fear they 546 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,319 might be capable of. Is our crime? Not necessarily because 547 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,319 the CIA believed the soldiers turned to stone, but because. 548 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: The report represented a potential threat factor exactly. 549 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,759 Speaker 2: A terrifying novel and extreme capability that needed to be 550 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,039 logged just in case similar reports ever surfaced. They classified 551 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,759 their own fear of a potential Soviet black project capability that. 552 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,599 Speaker 1: Makes a strange kind of sense. The decision to archive 553 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:26,920 unverified extreme claims alongside confirmed US military reports suggests the 554 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,200 intelligence apparatus operates on a spectrum of possibility where even 555 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,400 the scientifically impossible has to be logged just in case. 556 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate better safe than sorry policy applied to 557 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,559 physics and biology. 558 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: Finally, let's turn to the Australian Joint Operations Report from 559 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680 nineteen seventy one. This is a story of extreme sensitivity 560 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,880 and accidental disclosure. 561 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it was a classified document compiled by Australian officials 562 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,359 detailing joint operations and intelligence sharing with the US. The 563 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,519 critical detail here is that the report was accidentally declassified 564 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,440 and archived publicly for a period of time before officials 565 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,920 realize the gravity of the leak. 566 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: It focused on aerial surveillance programs, intel sharing agreements, and 567 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880 highly restricted projects that were clearly not meant for public consumption. 568 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,400 But the truly critical terms, the words that forced a 569 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:19,240 desperate attempted reclassification, were references to two specific. 570 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,759 Speaker 2: Phrases, recoveries and specialized access programs. 571 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,039 Speaker 1: In the intelligence community, those terms are highly sensitive. They 572 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,440 are almost code words specialized access programs often refer to 573 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,519 extremely compartmentalized, black budget operations. 574 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,319 Speaker 2: And recoveries is the term routinely associated with the retrieval 575 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,279 of non conventional, often non human, crash debris or materials. 576 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: So the document suggests, through these explicit references, that Australia 577 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,279 was aware of and actively involved in sensitive activities. Activities 578 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,640 involving recoveries far beyond simple observation or reporting of lights 579 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,680 in the sky. It hints at a deep, sustained collaboration 580 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640 on material retrieval or maybe even reverse engineering. 581 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,559 Speaker 2: Once the contents were noticed, official scramble to reclassify the document, 582 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,119 citing national security, but it was too late. The file 583 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,799 had already been cataloged publicly by the National. 584 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: Archives, and to this day no official clarification or explanation 585 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,279 for those explicit, highly sensitive references to recoveries has ever 586 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:25,440 been issued. It remains publicly available, unanswered and unexplained, a verifiable, 587 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,200 declassified glimpse into a classified collaboration that we are clearly 588 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,359 not meant to understand. 589 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,519 Speaker 2: The paradox is that the document is real, the terms 590 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,799 are official, and the explanation is non existent. Hashtag tag outro. 591 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: So let's try to synthesize the core thread that runs 592 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,160 through this entire collection of declassified documents. We've covered psychic 593 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,960 time travel, undetectable toxins, automated nuclear triggers, and objects that 594 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:54,559 deflung gravity, inertia, and atmospheric physics. The common, profound thread 595 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,640 is this official confirmation of extraordinary facts, often scientifically impossible, 596 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,759 followed by immediate official silence or profound confusion regarding the 597 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:04,680 actual explanation. 598 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,519 Speaker 2: And what's so fascinating is the irony this presents for you, 599 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,599 the learner. We have documentation proving that the government knew 600 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,839 something momentous happened. The psychiccession took place, the dead hand 601 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,039 was armed, the UAPs flew, but the knowledge they retained 602 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,319 was utterly incomplete. The secrecy wasn't just about hiding the 603 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,920 event from the public. It was often about hiding the 604 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,200 lack of understanding within the government itself. 605 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: They classified their own incomprehension. The ultimate revelation is that 606 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,880 the official reality verified by these archives is far stranger 607 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960 and more uncertain than the official fiction we are usually given. 608 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: We have established that governments have officially acknowledged objects and 609 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:44,759 capabilities that fundamentally break our current scientific understanding of physics 610 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:45,440 and biology. 611 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,119 Speaker 1: So, if these declassified documents confirm that the truly unknown 612 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,319 is real, but the most powerful organizational structures on the planet, 613 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,400 the military, the CIA, the DoD cannot explain it, what 614 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,799 does that imply about the actual boundaries of human knowledge itself? 615 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,799 Speaker 2: If the US Navy confirmed hypersonic silent vehicles dropping into 616 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,279 the ocean, what secrets are still rightly classified? Because the 617 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,240 full truth would fundamentally alter our reality, our technology, our history, 618 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,519 or perhaps our place in the universe. 619 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: That is the thought we leave you with today. We 620 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,240 have the proof of the impossible in official files. So 621 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,680 which of these reports, the psychic session, the heart attack gun, 622 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,440 the flaws of the dead Hands system, or the physic 623 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:30,160 defying UAPs that handed recoveries do you find the most 624 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,359 profoundly unsettling? And why head over and let us know 625 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,880 your thoughts and comments. Thank you for joining us on 626 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Trilling Threads.