1 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:07,919 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,400 Serious podcast. Please go down and check out our show notes. 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,199 We've got some links to some really awesome memorabilia from 4 00:00:14,199 --> 00:00:16,480 the movies we're talking about today, so be sure and 5 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:20,480 check that out. We want to thank you guys again 6 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:22,800 so much for all of the positive feedback that you're 7 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,199 giving us. Want to say thank you especially to Arlen 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,079 Bullard for a five star review on Apple Podcasts. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,439 Speaker 2: I'll read that review now. These are the droids you're 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,759 looking for. Two guys, one mic and a fountain of 11 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:39,679 eighties and nineties knowledge, which they use to debate the 12 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:44,119 issues that most Americans wonder about which movie, album, etc. 13 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,759 From the eighties and nineties was better. I don't necessarily 14 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:50,240 agree with either one of them all of the time, 15 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:52,600 but they give you a lot to think about. If 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,159 you were a child of the eighties or nineties, or 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,520 just a fan of the two greatest decades of the 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,119 last millennium, then this podcast is for you. And I 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,799 am serious, but don't call me Shirley. Well maybe just 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,200 this once. 21 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:07,519 Speaker 3: That's great. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Thanks. 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,799 Speaker 3: Arlen, it was a great review. 24 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:10,879 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,599 Speaker 3: Thanks man. Thank you. 26 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, this is Raiders of the Lost Arc 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,519 versus Back to the Future Part one. The Professor and 28 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,079 the Slacker join us as we discuss our two favorite 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,920 movies from the eighties, and please join us in the 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,920 weeks to come for parts two through four. So, without 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:50,120 further ado. 32 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:48,879 Speaker 5: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast, 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,959 discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,599 and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D. 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Graves and Jason Colban. 36 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: Thank David and at Hyder Hedis. Go man, I'm excited 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,400 to be here once again. 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 6: We are here today to discuss our two favorite movies 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,560 of the eighties. 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,439 Speaker 3: Absolutely, both of these are top five for me. 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 6: Both of these are yeah, probably even top three for me. 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:25,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 7: I've been waiting thirty five years to really get into 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,560 and talk about these two men. 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: Have we accept the name of the movies? 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:31,719 Speaker 7: No? 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 6: No, no, no, oh gosh, that's this important part, right, Okay, 48 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,639 So we're here to talk about Raiders the Lost Ark 49 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:40,280 in Sark and Back to the Future. They are both 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,120 mega hits from the eighties. I think they'll probably be 51 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:45,919 on anybody's top ten list who was alive at that time, 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,400 and one of them is Jason's favorite and one of 53 00:02:48,439 --> 00:02:51,680 them is my favorite. And wait for final judgment to 54 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:52,919 find out which way let that go. 55 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 7: And once again, after we make our final judgment, we 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,199 would love to hear from you, give us feedback on 57 00:02:58,199 --> 00:03:00,280 what you think on you side with the these with 58 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,400 me or we're both crazy. 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,319 Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from you. Yeah, come see us 60 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,719 on Twitter. We love any comments that you have to give. 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,080 If you think that we're completely off base and you 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,919 think these movies are terrible, there's something. 63 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,439 Speaker 3: Wrong with you, right, But you can go ahead and 64 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:16,960 tell us what. 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,199 Speaker 7: You think anyway, right, So find us on Twitter at 66 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,199 Shirley Podcast and on Facebook at Shirley Podcast. 67 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: Yep, and that's s you are l e y podcast, right, 68 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:27,039 don't call me shirt. 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,879 Speaker 6: Okay, So to get a roll, and let's talk real 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,159 quick about our memory of what we were doing at 71 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,199 the time that we saw these movies. Razers of the 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,439 Lost Arc came out in nineteen eighty one. I was 73 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:44,680 five going to turn six that year. Back to the 74 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:47,360 Future came out in nineteen eighty five, and so I 75 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:49,879 was nine going to turn ten that year, how about you. 76 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 7: Okay, So nineteen eighty one, I was a fourth grader, 77 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:56,080 so I was eight and nineteen eighty five. 78 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: I was had just turned twelve. 79 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,479 Speaker 6: Okay, so you were close. We were close in age. 80 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:02,199 You were closer to my age at the time. I 81 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,599 saw Back to the Future when you saw Raiders of 82 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:07,919 the Loss Right, very impressionable time anybody's life. 83 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: Eight and nine years old. Yes, so did you see 84 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:12,039 both of these movies in the theater? 85 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,879 Speaker 6: I honestly can't remember whether I saw Raiders of the 86 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:18,360 Lost Ark in the theater or not. I think that 87 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:20,240 I did. Keep in mind, I was pretty young, you 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,680 are five to six, right. I know that we owned 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,000 a VHS copy of it, and I know I watched 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,800 it over and over and over. Sure, I have some 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,879 confidence that I did see it in the theater. It 92 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,959 was my dad's favorite movie of that time. 93 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,639 Speaker 3: Period, for sure. 94 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, I absolutely saw both of these movies in 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,040 the theater multiple times. The first time I saw Raiders, 96 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:44,680 I have a very clear recollection of that viewing. You 97 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,600 want to get into it, yeah, yeah, tell me what happened? 98 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:47,759 Speaker 3: So I saw it. 99 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 7: There's a little two plex un Tulsa, Oklahoma at fifty 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,879 first and Harvard is called Fox Theaters, a little two 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,920 plex there, and I don't know why I remember, but 102 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,160 they had the video game battle Zone out front. I 103 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:01,560 remember that tank game anyway took me. And so I'm 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,120 watching Raiders have Law to start with my mother. And 105 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,240 as I'm watching this, this is a life changing experience 106 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,959 for me. Right like Star Wars four years before, when 107 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,160 I saw in the theater, I came out the other side. 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,079 I'm a different person. I'm like, right, what the heck, 109 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,639 I'm a new man. Right, So I see Raiders and 110 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,879 I think as I'm absorbing this movie, I'm thinking to myself, 111 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:25,680 this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. Right, this 112 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,399 is amazing. As it's escalating the movie and the tension, 113 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:31,120 the action is building and building building. 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: For me, it came to this point where India is 115 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,399 fighting that German boxer around the plane. We all remember 116 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:38,519 that iconic scene. 117 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,639 Speaker 7: And they're fighting and the guy's trying to shoot him, 118 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,000 and Marian's got the machine gun and she's killing Germans 119 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,959 and blowing stuff up and there's gas on the ground 120 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 and oh my gosh, what's gonna happen? And here comes 121 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:52,240 the plane and the propellers are coming right, and as 122 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,800 a fourth grader, you can imagine, I'm like, holy smokes, 123 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,839 this guy's going to get chopped into fish bait right 124 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,800 here on the big screen. And at that exact moment, 125 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,720 I'm like, what in the world am I. 126 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,879 Speaker 3: Getting ready to see? 127 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 7: My Mom's hand goes over my eyes, right and before 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,879 I can remove it. Of course, I know now that 129 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,040 they didn't really show anything, but at that moment, I'm like, 130 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:19,120 what what did I Yeah, yeah, so mom covered my eyes. 131 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:20,600 Thanks Mom, appreciate it. 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 6: But so that's I mean, that is crazy because that 133 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:26,000 is also the one memory that I have, different scene, 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,079 but the same type of memory. And I'll just say, 135 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,199 as a side note, one of my kids, when we 136 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,959 were watching Batman Versus Superman, there's a scene where Lois 137 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,160 Lane's in the bathtub and we're all watching it together 138 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:38,959 and suddenly my nine year old was putting his hand 139 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,720 over my eyes. 140 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: It's like, what do you what are you thinking, dude? 141 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,079 Speaker 6: So my dad would always go see movies before he 142 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,040 took me to see the movie, right, even with a 143 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:52,240 PG rating, which, by the way, it's insane that this. 144 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: Movie got a PG. 145 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,519 Speaker 6: Rating PG thirteen didn't exist at the time, right, And 146 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,120 as it turns out, Indiana Jones and the Temple of 147 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,120 Doom is what brought about I mean, it was a 148 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,399 major factor in PG thirteen skiing or rating at all, right, 149 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,560 because this movie, and a lot of respects, is a 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,399 horror movie. I mean, it's you've seen Poltergeist. It's the 151 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:12,360 same stuff going on at the beginning of the movie 152 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,519 at the end of the movie. And so yes, it 153 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,160 was that my dad had gone to see it to 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,759 make sure about things before we went, and I was 155 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,600 I was a super obedient kid, and so at the 156 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:26,040 point that he says, don't look, Marian, my Dad's like, 157 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,360 cover your apps, and I was like, ohkay, And I 158 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:30,480 covered my eyes and I heard all the noise in 159 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:31,079 the screaming. 160 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:31,839 Speaker 3: As I said. 161 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 6: We had this on VHS for the rest of my 162 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,120 life until I was like seventeen years old. Every time 163 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,399 that I every time that that part came, I would 164 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:44,160 cover my eyes up because I didn't want to see 165 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,600 whatever this my dad thought was too horrible for me 166 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,160 to watch. And then you know, at seventeen, I'm finally like, 167 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:52,720 wait a minute, I'm seventeen years old. Why am I 168 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,879 still covering my eyes up? And so I uncovered my 169 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,600 eyes and I watched the scene for the first time. 170 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,839 I was like, oh my gosh, she was right. I 171 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:00,040 shouldn't have watched it. 172 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,759 Speaker 3: Scary faces melt off. It's well. 173 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,839 Speaker 7: And Raiders was originally slotted to be rated R because 174 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,680 of Bellock's exploding head. Yeah, and then they actually they 175 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:13,879 put fire over and they kind of filtered it and 176 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,680 you have. 177 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,279 Speaker 6: To kind of of the faces melting and the head exploding. 178 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:22,279 I think the face is melting is far more disturbing, Yeah. 179 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:22,639 Speaker 3: Far more. 180 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 6: And even I mean I looked back at it. You 181 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,160 know what, you rewatched movies from twenty thirty years ago, 182 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:30,560 and you go and the special effects, and I thought 183 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,120 to myself, I'm going to watch this scene and I'm 184 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,759 not going to be impressed with the special effects. 185 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,399 Speaker 3: It still holds up. 186 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 6: It's still pretty darn good. I mean, if you look 187 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,399 at CGI today, you look at like that new Will 188 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,840 Smith movie where he's playing himself old and young. I'm 189 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:44,440 still looking at it. I'm going I can still see 190 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,679 the CGI, right, So even though I can kind of 191 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:49,879 in my head say, yeah, that's just wax, but it's. 192 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: Really good effect. It's good. 193 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,639 Speaker 6: It's really good. Let's talk about Back the Future real quickly. Okay, okay, 194 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,960 so back to the Future. I was like, like, we 195 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,320 I said, close to your age. And I can remember 196 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,519 my brother coming home from having seen it and he's like, 197 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,519 I just watched this movie. We need to go watch it. 198 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,039 And I was like today, He's like, I've just seen it. 199 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:14,200 Come with me, We're gonna go watch it. And I 200 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,720 was like, okay, yeah, and I went he's and we're 201 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:21,360 talking the whole time. And I mean my brother was 202 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,440 older brother, eight years older than me, so I very 203 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:25,919 much looked up to him and for him to give 204 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:29,440 it this kind of recommendation, I had really high expectations 205 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:35,639 and I was not disappointed. I absorbed that movie from 206 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,360 the first watching it, and I don't remember how many 207 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:40,639 times I came back to watch it again. But the 208 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:45,200 coolness of Michael J. Fox, the fascination with the guitar playing, 209 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,440 the whole time travel, it was just it was a 210 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:51,000 paradigm shift for me as well. 211 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 7: So this movie works as a teen comedy, yeah, sci 212 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:59,080 fi and an action movie yep, and all. 213 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 3: Three in a bit of a room. It's from Coom. 214 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:04,039 Speaker 7: Yeah, and all three hit it out of the park 215 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:05,480 in every aspect of that. 216 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely totally agree with you. 217 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,759 Speaker 7: When I saw it, I thought, man, this is the 218 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,240 coolest movie I've ever seen. 219 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: And Michael J. Fox was amazing, Christopher Lloyd was amazing. 220 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:17,440 Leah Thompson, I'm like, who is this girl? 221 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: Man? 222 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to marry this girl? Right? The music, 223 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:21,840 the effects. 224 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 6: Yeah there and again looking back on this one, there 225 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,440 except for one part, which even at the time that 226 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,120 I watched. 227 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,279 Speaker 3: It, I went, it's a little hokey, yeah, in which 228 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:33,480 I found out the reason for later. 229 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,799 Speaker 6: But other than that, the special effects hold up. They 230 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,679 don't do anything over the top. And in nineteen eighty 231 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 five they were creating real storms and lightning back then, 232 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,559 and there was no green screen, and he was really 233 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,519 up there on top of a tall building. So I mean, 234 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:52,720 the realism is there because it was real. 235 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,039 Speaker 3: I think both of these movies do a great job 236 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,919 of making action amazing without going over the top. 237 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 6: Yep, Okay, so let's let's get started on the movies. 238 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:10,159 Let's start with just the introductory scenes. In both movies, 239 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,279 we have the introduction of our main character, and in 240 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,000 both movies, you don't see their face for a good 241 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:19,639 three four minutes. 242 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: It's amazing how similar the introduction of both characters are. 243 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,759 Speaker 7: Right, Yes, it's really You see the back of them, 244 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:27,879 You see their shoes stuck. 245 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:32,919 Speaker 3: Hello, anybody, hom ey stick give me boy? 246 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,639 Speaker 7: You see their hands. You don't see their eyes either 247 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:39,679 one of them until three minutes after you see their 248 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:42,519 You see their body, but you don't see their eyes. 249 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:42,919 Speaker 3: Right. 250 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 6: That creates a suspense that you have to have in 251 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,320 the beginning part of a movie in order to and 252 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,919 you buy in immediately, right, who is this person? 253 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Right? So let's talk about just the introductory scene. Right. 254 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 6: You know, we talked about how these movies follow the 255 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:00,200 old Greek the way you write stories that we've known 256 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,399 for thousands of years of act one, act two, and 257 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,720 act three, and you mentioned that you thought, well, maybe 258 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,840 this is the four act one. And I think the 259 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:10,480 introduction is just a telling of the story before the story. 260 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,240 It is the perfect foreshadowing of what's about to happen. 261 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,840 So and then also the light throughout the movie, especially 262 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,960 at the beginning, but throughout the movie, the light that 263 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,879 is used on Indiana's face as a definition of who 264 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:25,720 he is and his struggle with right and wrong is amazing. 265 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:28,759 The light itself, even without Indiana, is a symbol of 266 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,159 the power of God and death that might come from it. 267 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 3: Right. I mean, one of the India's. 268 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 6: Very first line is stay out of the light, right, yep, 269 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:42,080 because something bad's about to happen. Which if you just 270 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,399 think about that for just a second, he's in this 271 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,879 mysterious labyrinth where he's searching out the treasure and there's 272 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,360 a booby trap that is activated by someone being in 273 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,679 the light. That is not even. 274 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: Possible that we're not capable of doing that today. 275 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 6: Right, unless it's supernatural. Unlet's it's supernatural, which is a 276 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,519 key for this whole movie franchise, really right, absolutely so, 277 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,519 at the beginning, he's in shadow the whole time. We 278 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:13,919 see a silhouette at one of the very first scenes. 279 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,919 And then once you know, you see the map and 280 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,679 the guy pulls out the gun. I mean, the other 281 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:21,200 characters talk a bit, you still don't see him, you 282 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,240 still don't know what he looks like. He's just this shadow. 283 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,879 We figure, we don't even know who he is at 284 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:27,559 this point. And then at the moment that the guy 285 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,320 pulls out the gun and he whips around literally whips 286 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,799 the gun out of the guy's hand. 287 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: Let's back up, even war Okay. 288 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 289 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 7: One of the cool things that I always thought was 290 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,639 really neat when I was a kid is the Paramount 291 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,879 logo dissolves into a mountain at the very very beginning 292 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:51,600 of the movie. Right, Okay, So I said this in 293 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,720 nineteen eighty one. The Paramount logo, which is a mountain, yes, 294 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,919 dissolves into an actual mountain. It's supposed to be in Peru, right, right. 295 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: Well. 296 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 7: In twenty sixteen, I visited Kawai, which is an island 297 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:08,279 in the Hawaiian Islands, right and outside of the town 298 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,679 of Anahola. I had a cheeseburger overlooking this mountain. This 299 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,120 mountain is called Mount Kalalia and sat there, had a 300 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,679 cheeseburger cheeberg called an Island Girl, which is kind of cool. 301 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,080 You go and say, I need to take an Island 302 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,679 Girl home with me, right, which was kind of fun. 303 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,519 But yeah, and so I got to see the mountain 304 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,519 and this mountain range is actually used in several different movies. 305 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:31,480 I went on a journey to a place called Keepoo 306 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,559 Ranch Adventures plug for Keepoo Ranch. If you ever in Kawai, 307 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:36,960 you definitely want to do this. They've shot all kinds 308 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,480 of movies there. They've shot Priced the Caribbean, They've shot 309 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:42,559 Jurassic Park, and they shot the beginning where the j 310 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,360 Vito's are chasing Indiana Jones when we swing out and 311 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,879 swings down to the river, and I actually got to 312 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:53,039 go there, swing from that spot out into the river 313 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,960 where all that happens. But Keepoo Falls is a waterfall 314 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,039 and that's where he whips the guy's hand, he drops 315 00:14:59,039 --> 00:14:59,360 the gun. 316 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:00,639 Speaker 3: Keep It False. 317 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 7: And when I went there, I'm like, literally one hundred 318 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:06,600 yards away from it, right. I'm like, it's beyond that fence. 319 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:10,200 It's like over there, right, How do I get over there? 320 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:12,639 So I talked to the guy and he was really cool. 321 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,960 He's like, I can't do It's on private property. And 322 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:19,600 I said, well, what if I was intent ongoing? He's like, well, 323 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,679 here's the deal. I'm not saying you know, I wouldn't 324 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:27,440 call the cops or anything. He's like, but the homeowner 325 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,679 has fired his weapon at people who have climbed the 326 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:34,080 fence and gone over there. So I'm like, that's okay. 327 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:37,080 I don't need to go see keep You False. Although man, 328 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,000 I was so close. I really wanted to go. 329 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: But I could make it over there. 330 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 7: Knocked on the door, there's no door knock, It's just 331 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:45,879 a fence. It's like acreage jungle. 332 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:48,919 Speaker 3: Nobody has come out of that alive. 333 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 6: So back to the powers and the lights and all 334 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,519 that they're going through the labyrinth. It's brilliant that as 335 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,720 we go through this introduction, it's foreshadowing and foreshadowing what's 336 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,080 going to have happened. He has troubles as he's pursuing 337 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,840 this religious idol. That's what the whole movie is, right, right, 338 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:07,000 it's just a different religious idol. It's a it's a 339 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,799 native religious idol as opposed to a Christian religious idol. 340 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: Right. 341 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:20,639 Speaker 6: And so he's hyper aware, hyper sensitive, right right, So 342 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:23,519 he's and he's so cool, I mean, with the whip 343 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,159 and the and the figuring out all of the traps 344 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,000 bit by bit, observant cool got it all down. He 345 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,840 comes to this religious thing, and you know, you've got 346 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,080 to wonder, how, like I said, how much of this, 347 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,120 how much of the booby traps are things the natives built? 348 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,519 And how much of it is just pure supernatural power? 349 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: Right? 350 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,519 Speaker 6: That's again part of a big part of the movie. 351 00:16:43,879 --> 00:16:46,519 And then he comes up and the light that shines 352 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:49,200 on his face is gold. 353 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: Where is that gold light? From? Right? 354 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,039 Speaker 6: And this is the point that his face is completely illuminated. 355 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,120 And then this is the point that we find out 356 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,480 that he values the religious aspect about as much as 357 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:05,400 a bag of dirt, right, And so his face is illuminated. 358 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,119 He switches out the dirt for the idol, and there's 359 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,440 this half second feat where he's still in the light, 360 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:15,079 and then it is just at the moment that he 361 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,319 turns and is completely in the darkness again that it 362 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,240 begins to sink. 363 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: And then all of a. 364 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 6: Sudden, this cool James Bond of the nineteen thirties esque, 365 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:33,359 you know, hero becomes a bumbling, stumbling dashing forward without 366 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,720 care fool, right, And that's the way it keeps going. 367 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:40,079 And then he loses the treasure, and then he gets 368 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,240 it back right, and then he loses it again, right, 369 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,680 and it is all just foreshadow, foreshadow, foreshadow of what's. 370 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: To come in the movie, and it happens about the whole. 371 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: Movie, right. 372 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 6: And then we're introduced to the villain Bellock right there 373 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:57,279 at the intro, and once again, you've got something that 374 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:58,480 I am taking. 375 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,079 Speaker 3: Away doctor Joees again. We see that it's nothing you 376 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,759 can possess, which I kind of take away. Right. That's right. 377 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 7: So let's back up for one second. So you and 378 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,039 I have discussed pieces of these movies that we have 379 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,440 small problems with. We're willing to overlook him because everything 380 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,759 else is so great. But here's one of my problems 381 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,440 with Raiders. At the beginning, like you said, he's like, 382 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,039 stay out of the light, don't step on this. 383 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,279 Speaker 3: It's too easy, right, cautious, cautious, cautious. But at the intro, 384 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,599 at the very beginning, as he walks into the cave, 385 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,200 he grabs his dirt and just throws it in there. 386 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,279 Oh that's good enough. I mean, how much does that 387 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:36,799 that head of gold way way more than that second dirt? Right? 388 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 6: No, apparently the dirt ways more. Otherwise it would have 389 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:40,559 sunk the dirt. 390 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: Apparently. Was it well thought through? Indy, Come on, he's 391 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:47,640 just like And then when he gets to the idol, 392 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,000 he actually takes a handful of it. 393 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 6: He just didn't take it home. He just wasn't thinking. 394 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:54,160 He's good and he's he's figuring it out as he gets. 395 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:55,599 Speaker 3: I don't know I'm making this up as I go. 396 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,599 So he meets Bellock. I don't know either way, I 397 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,039 do fla. 398 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 6: Which again introduces another key aspect of this movie, which 399 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,279 is it's okay to be smart. Intelligence actually helps you 400 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:13,000 out even if you're the bad guy sometimes. And he's like, 401 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:15,720 if only they knew you, like I know you. 402 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,279 Speaker 3: Is too bad. You could one that if only you 403 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,519 spoke of Vitos And he's absolutely right. 404 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,599 Speaker 7: Bella O thanks him several times in this movie, and 405 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,720 so he ends up falling from the school guy to 406 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:31,519 a guy running in front of a giant rock and 407 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:35,960 bursting cobweb covered out of a cave and running as 408 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,799 soon as the natives' backs are turned down this mountain 409 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,559 just almost like a Keystone cop episode where they're all 410 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,640 chasing the bad act. 411 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:50,799 Speaker 6: Start the engine, Jock, start the engine, So Jock. For 412 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,480 all of my life, I thought, why wasn't Jock in 413 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,880 any more of the movie or any of the other movies. 414 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,440 I mean, he was a great character, and I did 415 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,759 some research on him. It's the only movie he's ever 416 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,640 been in because he's not an actor. 417 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,759 Speaker 3: He's a pilot. 418 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 6: Yes, So when they came and they're scouting locations. You know, 419 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,880 they're in Hawaii and they're needing to fly around. He 420 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,720 was the pilot that was buying them around to find locations, 421 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:16,759 and they needed a pilot for this scene. And they 422 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,480 liked him so much. He was just like this good 423 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,680 natured guy. They said, Hey, do you want to just 424 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,799 be in the movie. It's super cool. Now here's the 425 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:28,440 other interesting part. Ten years later, eleven years later, when 426 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,440 they're filming Jurassic Park, also in Hawaii, a hurricane hits 427 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,200 the island of Hawaii and they're stuck, like the crew 428 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:42,160 like Steven Spielberg, Attenborough that's at Lord Erne, Jeff Goldboom 429 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,799 crew all stuck on this guy, the guy who plays Jock, 430 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:50,880 whose name is Fred Sorenson. He flies in and saves 431 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,640 the crew from the hurricane that's hitting the island. 432 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,599 Speaker 3: It's incredible. Yeah, it's great, I mean true life. Okay. 433 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,079 Speaker 6: And then another interesting bit from the intro scene and 434 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,279 the actors. Okay, the guy who pulls out the gun 435 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,079 to shoot at Indy before they even get to the labyrinth. 436 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,279 Speaker 3: Do you know who that is? No? I don't, Okay. 437 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,599 Speaker 6: The actor's name is Vic Tablian. Okay, do you know 438 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,279 where else you've seen him. I can't think of anything now. 439 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: In Raiders of the Lost Ark, what he is the 440 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,680 guy who owns the monkey, who has the. 441 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,559 Speaker 6: That's awesome, isn't that amazing? I was just like, I 442 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,319 find him. I'm like, I wonder what else he's done. 443 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,839 And that shows me a picture of the guy with 444 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,279 the monkey, and I'm like, what's the wrong? 445 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,599 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's the same guy. Nice. Nice, That's cool. 446 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,359 Isn't that crazy? 447 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,519 Speaker 7: Well, here's something else that I learned while visiting Hawaii. 448 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,400 All of the Jovitos. Yes, those guys are surfers. Those 449 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,559 are Hawaiian surfers that they gathered up. And if you 450 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,279 look closely, they all have swimsuit pants you can see 451 00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:56,200 their surf pants. 452 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,799 Speaker 3: They've got tan lines. Yeah. 453 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 7: So they get on the plane in which do you 454 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,240 know the name or the number of the plane that 455 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:03,920 they fly on on? 456 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: Obi CPO No h does that sound relatively familiar? Of course? 457 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,839 Remember owning the Troy absolutely. 458 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 6: Not to not to George Lucas and the star wars. 459 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,559 So then he magically escapes. I loved watching, you know, 460 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,480 I love watching Jock like trying to decide whether to 461 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:30,000 keep fighting the fish or I got one. Hecking drops 462 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,200 it in there. He's brilliant. And then we find just 463 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,680 before the end of the interest scene, we find Indy's 464 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,920 biggest fear and what is his biggest fear? 465 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: There's a big snake in the plane. Jock that flake 466 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,599 might I hate save Jacques? 467 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 6: I hate him and so obviously this again the foreshadowing 468 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,119 comes in tells us at the outset, Indy's biggest fear 469 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:55,319 is snakes. 470 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,599 Speaker 3: Snakes. Hang on to that. Okay, so let's get into 471 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,799 introduction introduction the future. 472 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 6: Right, So we're just talking in our break about how 473 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,200 characters are defined in your head, like you know they 474 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,920 talk about in good comic book character would be recognizable 475 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,279 from his silhouette and you know, you think of the 476 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,480 silhouette of Batman or the Hulk. You know, I'm going 477 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,279 to recognize that guy. Indy is one of those guys. Yes, 478 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,799 And in my opinion, his hat is like the cake 479 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,519 like without the hat. He's no longer Anyanna Jones, He's 480 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:29,000 no longer Superman. He's just a guy. He's Henry Professor, right, Yes, 481 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,519 he's Professor Jones with the glasses. I mean he really is. 482 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:35,039 He's Clark Kent. That's right, right, Marty is less of 483 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:38,759 a silhouette character, but we still get a strong introduction 484 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,039 for that one as well. 485 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 486 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,599 Speaker 6: Now this one we start off with sound as opposed 487 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,759 to starting off with these silhouetted figures walking through the jungle. 488 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 3: And it's. 489 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 6: Tick because the whole thing is about time, and what 490 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,680 better representation of time than clocks, which just what we 491 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:57,240 open up on and we see clock. 492 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: We see clock. 493 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,799 Speaker 6: Of course, you know, the critical moment in this movie 494 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,319 revolves around a clock. And then we're like, oh, hey, 495 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,559 is that Harold Lloyd hanging from a clock over there? 496 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,759 Speaker 3: On the thing? Is that something coming up in the future. 497 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,519 Be weird with that apple later? All right? 498 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 6: And then inventions are being activated at specific times. Who 499 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,240 lives here, Wiley coyote? What is this radio hand thing 500 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:24,279 that we've got going on here? And then we've got 501 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:28,160 the radio talking about the toyotap, set up, yup TV 502 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,960 talking about the stolen plutonium, set up, missing dog because 503 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,640 you've got a big pilot dog, food all over the place, 504 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,480 set up, mansion, set up, burned toast. Okay, that's just 505 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,799 burned toast, that's all that is. Wait a minute, it 506 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,960 was at a JBC camcorder that I saw down there 507 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,400 on the pillow next to pictures of Edison and Piandstein 508 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,720 and then enter legs. Once again, we don't see his face. 509 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,880 What we see is Nike shoes, acid washed jeans, a 510 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:01,799 skateboard and we know already is going to is obviously cool, right, 511 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,640 obviously cool? And wait a minute, did that create that 512 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,759 the skateboard just hits say plutonium on it. 513 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 5: In other news, officials at the Pacific Nuclear Research Facility 514 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:14,319 have denied the rumor that. 515 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: A case of missing plutonium was in fact stolen from 516 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720 their vault. Two weeks ago, Olivian terrorist group had claimed 517 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,519 responsibility for the electric death. 518 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,559 Speaker 6: I love the montage close ups of the amp cranking 519 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:31,480 it up, cranking it up, cranking it up again. We 520 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:36,000 are establishing Maury's character, the guy who wants it wow 521 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:42,079 right right right, And then we have yeah to darmlouds, 522 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,559 and then we have even still before we see his face. 523 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,559 If you watch it, you're like, oh my gosh, this 524 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,640 is so obvious that they're not showing his face. We 525 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,279 see his back as he backs up and stands in 526 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:57,799 front of this ten foot speaker, and then we have 527 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:01,680 a stainless steel pick that comes up, same stell, Maybe 528 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,440 we should make a car like that, right, yeah, all right, 529 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:13,160 and then blam crash instead of whip bang and whoa 530 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,799 rock and roll, rock and roll, And then we see 531 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,720 the actual fantastic he has to take down the sunglasses. 532 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: Yes, a little more revealed even after the big bang. 533 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:24,960 You're exactly right. 534 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,279 Speaker 7: It's a fantastic intro, very similar to the way Harrison 535 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:32,519 Ford's Indiana Jones is introduced the beginning right, Yes, the 536 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,720 back of him, but you get all those iconic elements, right. 537 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:37,839 So Andy has the leather jacket, he has the whip, 538 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,519 he has got the fedora, he's got the gun. Yes, 539 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Marty has the skateboard, the guitar, the sneakers, the plutonium. 540 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: The genius jacket, the jean jacket. Yeah, it's all set 541 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,079 in the first and. 542 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 6: You you know who these characters are. At the moment 543 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,440 that you see in their face. You're like, Okay, I 544 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,160 know this guy, and I like this guy. I know 545 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,920 this guy and I like him already. And there's a good, 546 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960 you know a great question for both of these guys. 547 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,839 Are the good guys? 548 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 3: Right? Absolutely? 549 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 6: And what I think makes both of these movies great 550 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,359 is that we don't know, they're just kind of relatable, right, 551 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,960 I mean India. When we look at some of India's 552 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000 history and see what some of the things that he does, 553 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,279 we're like, he's kind of a cromey guy in certain situations. 554 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920 And obviously Marty is a slacker. 555 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: He's got a real attitude problem with Fly. 556 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: You're a slacker. I mean he wants to blame Doc 557 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,279 for making him late for school, but I mean he 558 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,599 walked in there like three minutes before the clocks started 559 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,960 going on. Is it's not Doc's fault for his weird experiment? 560 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 7: Listen, there's no doubt that Indian and Jones makes some 561 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,359 questionable moral choices throughout. 562 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: The movie Raiders, right, But we love him anyway. 563 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 7: Yes, I think that he's got a heart that he 564 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,839 has to kind of find sometimes. Absolutely, And Marty is 565 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,680 definitely a little bit rebellious, a little bit mischievous. 566 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 6: But he's still he's scared of things. Like he's in 567 00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:58,519 the intro. 568 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,799 Speaker 3: We see cool cool, cool, cool cool. 569 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 6: And then a bookshelf full of objects is falling on 570 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,440 top of him and all of a sudden, it's goofy again. 571 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,240 And then he's this kid who's just late for school, right, 572 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,680 I in both scenarios didn't really think to myself, this 573 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,599 is a relatable character, right, I just went I like 574 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:17,960 this guy. 575 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 7: Right, Let's take it a step further. Harrison Ford is 576 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Indiana Jones. He's absolutely Indianjos. We'll talk more about who 577 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,960 almost was Indiana Jones or who was Okay, well, we'll 578 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,680 talk about that later. Eric Stoltz is not Marty McFly. 579 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:31,799 Speaker 3: Now, Michael J. 580 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 7: Fox is Marty McFly And I would argue that from 581 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,759 the moment that he's blown back by the giant stereo 582 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,319 and he's covered with stuff, yes, and the phone rings, 583 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,680 and he's trying to stand up, and the guitar chord 584 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160 is keeping him down, and he's it's funny, absolutely watching 585 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,279 him try to stand up and get to the phone. 586 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,279 Speaker 3: It's funny, right, it's about he's funny. 587 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 6: So both movies we have this strong, strong introductory scene 588 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,440 that establishes to the carecharacter is and that they are 589 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,000 both definitions of foreshadow. It's a different type of foreshadow. 590 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,519 With Raiders of the Lost Arc, you have what some 591 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:12,039 people call a prefiguration, where you have a short story 592 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,000 that is mirrors what the long story is going to be. 593 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 3: Right with Back to the. 594 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,799 Speaker 6: Future, you have, as I mentioned, set up after setup 595 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,079 after setup. This is all here's a little piece of 596 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,119 something that you're going to see later on. That's right, 597 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,240 and it's not. It doesn't tell the story of what's 598 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640 going to happen. It just says, here's something, and here's something, 599 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,839 and here's something that all come into play in just 600 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,839 a little bit, and that is what happens throughout the 601 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,680 whole movie. The whole movie is all about set up 602 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,160 and pay off. 603 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,079 Speaker 7: It's like a scavenger on. Here's some plutonium, hang on 604 00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:44,839 to that, you're going to need it. Yeah, here's a 605 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,599 guitar pick, you're going to need that to. 606 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:48,839 Speaker 3: Hang on to the skateboard. It's going to come into 607 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,160 play here. How fun is that? So good? 608 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 6: Here's a whip that's going to come into play later. 609 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,039 To toss this gun into a suitcase that's going to 610 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,000 come into play later, right, righte? 611 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: Imagine you you and no matter. 612 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 6: I think at this point we could probably start talking 613 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,279 about how these movies both came into being. What I 614 00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,319 said to you before, they're like cousins of each other. Absolutely, 615 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,079 they really think they are not only in their structure 616 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:21,839 and you know, mix of adventure and bigger ideas, but 617 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,079 also because they're both me and they're both Spielberg. They 618 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,559 both involve a classic plot structure that goes to act one, 619 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,480 act two, act three. So the fact that they're our 620 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,680 favorite movies makes a whole lot of sense, I guess right. 621 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: Right now, quickly. I just wanted to cover that. 622 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 7: When we were talking about this before we start recording, 623 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,000 we talked about, you know, act one, act two, act three, 624 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,799 and I made mentioned that I think that the beginning 625 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,200 part of Raters Lost Dark is actually an act three 626 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,640 to a previous adventure, yeah right, which culminated with him 627 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,559 getting the idol, the fertility idle. By the way, if 628 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,480 you look at it, it's a woman and a little 629 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,519 bitty baby in between her laymen. Yeah, you have to 630 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,839 look really cool and ham deposit. But so it's a 631 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:02,920 fertility anyway. 632 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: Be sure it's a woman and a baby and not 633 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,519 a man. Pretty sure. 634 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure is that a it's ahead, but I'm 635 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,599 pretty sure it's a job. 636 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: So anyway, that is one of the things I like 637 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,640 is because, as we'll talk about, Indiana Jones is a 638 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,440 serial character this is a serial story. You know, he 639 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,079 goes on multiple adventures. This is just one that we're 640 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:26,599 catching up. 641 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 6: With, and this and that, you know, that leads us 642 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680 into how this movie came into being in the first place. Yes, 643 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,640 there were classic serials that George Lucas and Steven Spieldberg 644 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,119 and the guys that are of that era grew up watching, 645 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,920 and they included these kind of swashbuckling type of characters, 646 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,599 very much like the treasure Hunters. Are a treasure hunter 647 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,839 that Indiana Jones is, or to be more specific, grave robber. 648 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,759 Speaker 3: And I just want to say it a pertainer of 649 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,519 rare antiquity as saying, why don't you sit down, It'll. 650 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 6: Be more comfortable, because that's really what is Oh yeah, 651 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,680 no doubt Raider was not a not a compliment. 652 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,839 Speaker 3: No, And he was stealing that idol from the Jovitos. 653 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 6: Yes again, because he has absolutely no respect for the 654 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,720 religious That's. 655 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,519 Speaker 4: Right, That's right. 656 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,519 Speaker 3: So here's how he needed Jones's story. Okay, go ahead. 657 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,400 I mean the backstory on these two stories is really cool. 658 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,480 I think so. George Lucas just finished wrapping Star Wars. Yes, 659 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:30,559 Steven Spielberg just finished close encounters right, and had Jaws Joe. 660 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,359 Speaker 7: So Lucas and Spielberg take their wives at the time 661 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,039 go on a joint vacation to Hawaii. 662 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 663 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,759 Speaker 7: They're staying at the Monaca Hotel on the Big Island 664 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:43,039 and they're building the sand castle. 665 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, because that's what you do when you're the two 666 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,559 greatest directors of the day, you go build a sandcastle. 667 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,599 Speaker 3: That's right. So Lucas is in Hawaii going I don't 668 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,440 even want to think about Star Wars. I don't know 669 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,400 what's going on back home. 670 00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 6: But you got to you gotta imagine that even with 671 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,119 them obviously be in friends, and I don't know how 672 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,079 their friendship developed. 673 00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: I don't know how that started. 674 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 6: We know that they're there in Hawaii together, but I 675 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:08,759 don't know how they got introduced and decided to take 676 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:13,640 the family vacation together. But there's got with all alpha 677 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,039 characters like this, there's got to be this kind of 678 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:20,440 hint of competition, and so I think that is kind 679 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,200 of what inspires Lucas to ask Steven Spielberg, what are 680 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,960 you planning. 681 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: To do next? Sure? Absolutely well, they're both Titans now 682 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,519 at this moment. 683 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 7: Spielberg had Jaws and Lucas is back home. Star Wars 684 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,240 is going through the roof right, which it was a 685 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,319 nightmare production. He finally got it done and it's blowing up. 686 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, Jaws and Close Encounters American graffiti and Star Wars. 687 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: American Graffiti was a huge hit. Yeah. Star Wars was 688 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,359 a big question whether it was going to be a 689 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:48,720 hit or not. 690 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,279 Speaker 7: Okay, So anyway, the building sand Castle, George Lucas says 691 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,359 to Spielberg, what are you going to do next? And 692 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,680 he says, I'm looking at trying to direct to James bondman, 693 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,079 James Bond right right now. Of course, the Bond folks 694 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:04,359 are like, no, some American can't come and direct this 695 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,599 thing right right. I forget Jaws, You've never done James 696 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,440 Bond right totally different, which I love James Bond. 697 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: What do you know about actually. 698 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 4: Stupid? 699 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 7: So Lucas says, listen, dude, I got something way better 700 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719 than James Bond. Yes, and he proceeds to tell him. 701 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,960 Indiana Smith, this archaeologist who is a serial type of 702 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,239 guy and based on the serials that they watched of 703 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,519 their youth, right, he wears a leather jacket, he has 704 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,880 a fedora. I think in maybe a bullwhip, and he 705 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,000 just kind of tells him just a little bit about it, right, 706 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:36,119 and he says what he thinks. 707 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:37,519 Speaker 3: Bieler says, I want to direct that. 708 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,679 Speaker 6: Yes, And so that's really as much as George Lucas 709 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,719 had at that moment. The story that Lawrence Caston tells, 710 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 who is the writer of this a movie? 711 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 3: Who is He's really the unsung hero. 712 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,119 Speaker 6: Oh he's He's brilliant, and you know, he just to 713 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,960 tell his story. He is somebody who had loved movies 714 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,559 from his childhood. He wants to be in movies his 715 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,559 full life, but like many of us, ends up doing 716 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,679 the safe thing and gets a job as an ad 717 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,199 exec doing copyright stuff and has a child and you know, hey, 718 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,559 the ad exec job paid for the marriage and a kid. 719 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,559 But I wanted it to be in movies. I want 720 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,840 to do movies. And so his wife's wanting another kid, 721 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,679 he says, I'm not having another kid. As an ad 722 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,800 exec where we need to go out to Hollywood and 723 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,000 he finds his way out there and he's recognized for 724 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,800 the quality of his work. He does some good work 725 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,199 with Warner Brothers, and then as he's coming along, he says, 726 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,119 I got this great script called Continental Divide. I'd like 727 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,159 to take a look at one of the Warner Brothers guys. 728 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,639 And the Warner brother guy reads it and says, I 729 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,840 like it right, I'll show it to Stephen or George 730 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,679 and see what they think about it. And he's like, 731 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:51,039 who Steven Spielberg. George says, oh, okay, yeah, that'd be fine. 732 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,119 And so then just a few, you know, a little 733 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:55,960 bit of time passes. He sets up a meeting of 734 00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,480 Steven Spielberg and goes out and sees him on a set, 735 00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,199 sitting on a fake sidewalk, and Spielberg's got Condone Divide 736 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,639 in his hand, and he says, I love this script, 737 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,679 but I'm not going to direct it. I'll find somebody 738 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,719 else to direct it. Let's not worry about that. What 739 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,239 we like to talk to you about is writing another 740 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,239 movie for us. And he's like, okay, all right, And 741 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,119 he's like who's us And he's like, well, me and 742 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,440 George Lucas. He's like, oh, okay, you mean the guy 743 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,599 who did Star Wars, right, the guy who did, yeah, 744 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,440 the biggest movie of all time, and yeah, you're the 745 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,000 biggest director of all time. Okay, I'm interested. Let's see 746 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,599 what that is. And so they get together. They meet, 747 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,559 they have a really short meeting and George Lucas says 748 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,400 exactly what you said. He's like, Okay, his name's going 749 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,920 to be Indiana because we're naming him after my dog, right, 750 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,320 and he's going to be based on those old series. 751 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,760 He's going to have a f door, he's going to 752 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,159 have a bull whit and I'm thinking maybe a leather jacket. 753 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,000 Oh and the mcguffin here is the lock Stark of 754 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,119 the Covenant. And Lawrence Kasson is like, okay, so what happens, 755 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960 that's your job, right, go for it. Yeah, and then 756 00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,320 he's like, okay, see you later. And kas and it 757 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,000 was there with some other guy and they walk out 758 00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,000 and the like do we just get that? Is that 759 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,519 what I mean? Are we writing this now? And when 760 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,400 they got home there was a call from their agent 761 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,920 and yes, they're on board. Kasin spends the next six 762 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:17,199 months writing the script. He's he and George and Steven 763 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,719 spent a little bit of time together to kind of 764 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,239 iron out some ideas, and then he spent six months 765 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,039 writing the script. He comes in, he hands it TOAs 766 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,480 Lucas throws it on the table and says, let's get 767 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:26,800 to lunch. 768 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,079 Speaker 3: Right. 769 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,519 Speaker 6: They go eat lunch and he's like, listen, I'm in trouble. 770 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,079 I've got these huge sets that are being built over 771 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,159 in the UK right now, and the lady who is 772 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:41,079 writing the script for my second Star Wars movie has 773 00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,920 passed away, and he's like, so I would like you 774 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,559 to write Yeah, I'm in a big, big trouble. 775 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 3: Right. 776 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,119 Speaker 6: He's like, so I'd like you to write it. Eleanor's 777 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,000 CA's like, do you want to read Creators of the 778 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,639 Laws Dark first? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll 779 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,119 read that tonight. And if I don't like it, then 780 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:58,000 this offer is with drunk. 781 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 3: But apparently he liked it. Right, It's a pretty cool story. 782 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,239 That's great. 783 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,199 Speaker 7: Can you imagine the type of pressure Okay, Star Wars Okay, 784 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,639 I'm working on the sequel now on building sets and 785 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,280 oh my writer just died. 786 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, can you imagine being the guy who's who 787 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,559 wrote Indiana Jones and Empire Strikes Back in the same year, 788 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,960 I mean, and then and then you know, I don't 789 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,039 know how far into shooting they were and how far 790 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,239 into the script writing process. They were, but at some 791 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,639 point George Lucas says to Lawrence Casten, Oh, by the way, 792 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,519 Darth Vader's looks deack. No, he says, yes, oh, no, 793 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,800 any guys ever go to Sunday School. 794 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 795 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,599 Speaker 6: Great, that's this story of the beginning of Raiders. Let's 796 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,960 talk about the beginning of Back to the Future. So 797 00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,000 Back in the Future was directed by Bob Zamachis Robert 798 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,800 Macus and written by Bob Gail. Zamacis obviously was involved 799 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,119 in the writing process, but largely it was it was 800 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,800 Bob Gail who had done that. They had previously worked 801 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,719 with Spielberg on a movie Paul nineteen forty one, which 802 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,679 was kind of a flop for Spielberg. I still think 803 00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,880 it's a decent movie, but just didn't have a lot 804 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,679 of appeal. 805 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:21,199 Speaker 3: That's true. 806 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,119 Speaker 7: And he did a movie called Used Cars, Yes, which 807 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,079 is one of my favorites. I mean, it's an unsugn 808 00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:27,719 movie from the early eighties. 809 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 3: It's a favorite. It's a cult favorite. 810 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, it wouldn't like it did Gangbusters at the box 811 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,639 not at all, not at all. Now, the reason why 812 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,320 they were able to do Back in the Future was 813 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,000 this little sleeper hit in nineteen eighty four called Romancing 814 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:40,440 the Stone. 815 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,679 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Romancing the Stone was another great movie and 816 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,280 so so much inspired by Indiana Jones. 817 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,639 Speaker 3: Right, no, now again. 818 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,559 Speaker 6: You have this very anti hero lead who's got a 819 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,480 tougher girl to protects. It's it's very Indiana Jones, but 820 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,039 stands on its own for sure. I loved it. I 821 00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,440 need to watch it against too long. 822 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 3: We're gonna have to. I'm Romancing the Stone at some point, 823 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,800 absolutely so. But the script from the time of its 824 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,239 inception to when it was completed, this was turned down 825 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,519 forty four times. 826 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 6: Right, Well, it was conceived in the early eighties, and 827 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920 this is what happened. Bob Gail was going through some 828 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,400 of his dad's old yearbooks and he's looking through and 829 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,280 he sees a picture of his dad and it says 830 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,239 class president on the bottom of it, and he's like, 831 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,960 my dad was the class right, And his thought is, 832 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,360 I mean this kind of tells you his perspective. He 833 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,159 was like, you guys know, class presidents, they're all a holes. 834 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:40,079 He's like, would I even have liked my dad if 835 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:41,920 I had gone to high school with him? And that 836 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,480 was the impetus for the whole script that's it, which 837 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,880 is I mean, and it continues through like it lasted. 838 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,639 They started pitching this thing in the early eighties. They 839 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,480 started pitching this around the time that Raiders had come out, 840 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,400 and didn't get green light on it until eighty four. 841 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,280 They had pitched it to all kinds of studios that 842 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,480 reject it because it wasn't raunchy enough, which is odd, 843 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,480 you know, And I mean, you think about the movies 844 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,599 at that time. You've got risky business, you've got Porky's, 845 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,000 you got all these right, let's go show some movies 846 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,360 for no reason at all things, which is one of 847 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,079 the things to my dad would complain about, that's a 848 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,719 good movie. I wish they didn't have to do this 849 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,920 so that you can't watch it. 850 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,599 Speaker 3: She said, yeah, that's all reason. 851 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,119 Speaker 6: And so it wasn't dirty enough, and so finally somebody said, 852 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:24,800 why don't you pitch it to Disney, And so they 853 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,840 go to Disney with it, and the Disney Disney's like, 854 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,920 the mom is kissing the sun. We're Disney, for goodness sake, 855 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,559 we can't make this right. And so they're like, gosh, 856 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,880 you know, nothing to be done. But they do Romancing 857 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,159 the Stone and Steven Spielberg kind of swings in and 858 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,480 saves the day on this. He's like, let's let's make 859 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:49,039 this happen. 860 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,039 Speaker 7: Actually, when Bob Gail brought that idea to Bob's, Mecas 861 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,639 Yeah said, Hey, my dad was class president and I 862 00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,400 saw the yearbook and I thought, would I even be 863 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,280 friends with this guy? 864 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? If I was there at the time. 865 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 866 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,559 Speaker 3: And Bob z and Mecas's addition to that was, what 867 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,719 if you found out that your mom was the town slut? 868 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 4: Yes? 869 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 6: So join us next week for part two of the debate. 870 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,159 Thank you so much for your support of the Shirley 871 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,800 You Can't Be Serious Podcast. 872 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: Don't forget. 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