1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Penguin Series review. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,800 I guess it'd be serious review because this is this 3 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:11,320 is a mini series. There's not gonna be no season 4 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,240 two or whatnot. I am going back to the og 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,879 the Clown principal podcast trust now, and I'm joined by 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,440 not my table, Kirk. 7 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Compatzer uh Vic taylor Field. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it took me a second lot of stuff 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,679 going on, so like Vic, but yes, we are here 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,439 to talk about something that's been long. I guess I 11 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:36,320 could say long. Wait. I don't know. I think it's 12 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:39,119 just been me long waited to get back into this world. True, 13 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:41,479 it's not the sequel that happened, you know, the first 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,960 movie happened two years ago now. But here we are. 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,560 We getting a little piece of the Batman universe. We're 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,880 back with the Penguin. We'll be here every week when 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,479 that happens. So if you you know you are new 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,759 and you're wondering, hey, what did these fine folks think 19 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:58,960 of the Batman? We just put that back in the 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,600 feed so you can check that out out. And we did. 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,200 Me and Kirkland did Cape Crusader a couple of weeks ago, 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,359 So that was tons of fun and pretty much every 23 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:08,959 Batman DC. We'll be doing Joker Jokers in two weeks 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,359 two Like lots of bat related stuff the past couple 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,640 months here, so anything DC or Batman related we're usually 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,560 covering it one way or the other. Saying that with 27 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:18,840 the Marvel Star Wars are whole bunch of other geek 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,680 news and yeah, just rate reviews, subscribe, we would appreciate it. 29 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:23,840 We cover a lot right now, we're covering Rings of Power, 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,439 We're covering Agatha, lots of stuff going on. It's gonna 31 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:29,280 be a busy fall, but it should be a fun fall. 32 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:31,920 Is Penguin fun? I don't know. So I'm gonna give 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,840 it to the raw dog in himself, Taylor Field, to 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,560 start us off, what did you think of this first 35 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:39,560 episode of Penguin non spoilers, of course. 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: I liked it a lot more than I thought I 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,079 was going to like it. I was going, you know, 38 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:47,000 when the show was first announced and we're seeing a 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 little bits here and there, I wasn't sure where I 40 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:52,000 was on it. Seeing some trailers, I got more. 41 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: Engaged with it. 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,359 Speaker 3: But then actually watching this first episode, it's dark, it's gritty, 43 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:02,120 but it has this weird underline, just addicting kind of 44 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:05,000 aesthetic to it where I've really just I could not 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,599 turn my head for a second. I had to see 46 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,280 what was going on, and it's just for the most time, 47 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,759 it's a lot not a spoiler, but it's a lot 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,879 of just you know, cobble Pot just you know, moving 49 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,159 around doing his thing, and it's interesting walling around. Yeah, 50 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:23,680 it's interesting seeing that with also just how disgusting and 51 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:26,919 just shitty Gotham looks. It's how like, well, this world 52 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,199 that they set up here with feature in Gotham. It's 53 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:32,599 really engaging and you can appreciate the level of detail 54 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,960 they've added in. It's just it's a it's an addictive 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,199 set piece in world that I just really want to 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,280 see more of. And I really like the story that 57 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,199 they're setting up here a lot more than I thought 58 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,919 I would. I wasn't sure how, you know, a show 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,199 obviously devoid of Batman. It's focusing on crime syndicates and 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,960 underworld stuff like that. 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,599 Speaker 2: It just had a lot. 62 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:59,599 Speaker 3: Going on and there was just some very tense moments 63 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:03,039 that I can really appreciating this show so far. And yeah, 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,639 I think that they did a really really good job, 65 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,520 and I'm really looking forward to the second episode, which sorry, 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,240 is that this Sunday or next Sunday? 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the week's episode. Okay, cool, patser me. 68 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, this was this was what the fuck am I doing? 69 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,199 Speaker 1: Moment? There? 70 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: The funk am I doing here? I know what I'm 71 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:27,439 doing here? 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,319 Speaker 4: This was probably like definitely up there for my most 73 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:34,919 anticipating Yeah, that was me watching this show. That That's 74 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,879 how excited it was. I threw my glasses on. I 75 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:42,080 had to get totally into it. Yeah, much much anticipated. 76 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,840 I I did have really I don't want to say 77 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:47,560 like super high expectations, but like I feel like. 78 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,199 Speaker 2: I had up there expectations. 79 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: I was expecting caliber of of just to be taken 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,879 into that that Gotham world that you know we visited 81 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:00,439 from Matt Reeves Batman, and I I just wanted world 82 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:02,479 and like some more great Colin Ferrell st I feel like, 83 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:04,719 at the very least, I just I wanted that stuff 84 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,199 to be really good of the feel of Gotham and 85 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Colin Farrell's Penguin because I just adored him in the 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,360 bat you know, we we love his his gift usage 87 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,080 here on that I don't even know that if it's 88 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,519 a gift, but it's it's just a little video clip 89 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,959 that we like to pull up. I don't have it ready, 90 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:22,920 but I'm sure someone come on. 91 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:25,319 Speaker 2: It's just so fantastic. 92 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,759 Speaker 1: I feel like we the discord was definitely round before 93 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:29,680 the Batman, but that became one of the first like 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,079 geek first discord means was people dropping that one because 95 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:35,439 that's yeah, and that's led to lots of laughter over 96 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:35,920 the years. 97 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: So absolutely and man like like throwing the show on 98 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:42,399 and like from starting to finish, it's an hour six minutes, 99 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:44,079 which which was a nice puzzant surprise. 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: I was worried it's gonna be like thirty five minutes 101 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:46,800 or something. 102 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:49,439 Speaker 1: When I saw an hour and I'm like, oh my god, 103 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:51,680 that just feels so good. It's so funny because sometimes 104 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,439 the movies by like, oh, three hours something like that, 105 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:55,120 but just like with com book shows, we've been so 106 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,680 accustomed to like, oh, thirty two minutes or start like oh, 107 00:04:57,759 --> 00:04:59,920 three two minutes. It was so nice, like a full 108 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,759 like thank god. 109 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 4: You know, and and like watching the like this episode, 110 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:06,879 I don't know if it's like I don't know if 111 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:09,399 it's gonna sound hyperbolezed, I I really feel like this 112 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:12,879 is accurate. This show made me realize of just maybe 113 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:16,160 how much lesser shows have been in in the in 114 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,120 in in the last little while. Like I feel like 115 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,279 going through I don't know whether it be like season 116 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,839 two of House the Dragon, like I did like some 117 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:26,040 stuff in there, but like to the most part, like 118 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:28,759 it was nowhere near like peak moments that I think 119 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:32,079 that show has been, like just just the season. 120 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,199 Speaker 2: Overall, uh, some other shows for sure. 121 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,319 Speaker 4: And and I just think this one episode did such 122 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,000 a great job at like you know, world building, like 123 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,920 the world was built in the Batman movie. But I 124 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:47,639 think just expanding upon it further the relationships that that 125 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,639 Oswald has in here with with just the characters that 126 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:52,720 were interested, like brand new characters that were introduced in 127 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:57,120 this episode. I'm just so much more intrigued in, like 128 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 like another show comparison, that's right, not like Aggtu for example, 129 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,600 Like I I did really like those first two episodes, 130 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:04,040 but I still feel like watching this right here, it's like, man, 131 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,160 this is already getting me so much more intrigued in 132 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,720 all these characters that were introduced like in this one 133 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,600 episode as opposed to just just how other shows have 134 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,279 done in the past, and like, what a fucking stellar 135 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,199 episode one. It took me a little while to say that, 136 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:19,439 but like this was this is fucking ten out of 137 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,560 ten first episode for me. I oh wait, calm down, 138 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,839 I'm ranking the whole fucking series right now, even if 139 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,959 it goes multiple seasons. No, I I love his so much. 140 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,839 Colin Ferrell is firing on all cylinders. He seems like 141 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:34,720 he is just Cobblepot from that movie. Like it doesn't 142 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:37,920 seem like it's it's an actor that like came back 143 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:40,040 to portray the role and he's like slightly different. Like 144 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:42,560 it just feels it's still hard for me to see 145 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,160 Colin Farrell, uh you know, behind the prosthetics that they 146 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,759 have on him, but like like he just feels like 147 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,720 Penguin and I they're doing such a great job at 148 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:55,959 making him more than just like an asshole criminal boss. 149 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,399 Speaker 2: I do like the little. 150 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: Humanizing aspect that they are doing for him. But it's 151 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,560 not like they're just trying to make him like the 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,519 hero of the story. Like he is still grimy, he 153 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,920 is still doing bad guy things, and oh, I just 154 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,600 I love all like the just the crime syndicate things 155 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:14,759 that are going on of just like playing the like 156 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,519 other bad guys or just like the system in general, 157 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,279 like like like Penguin is just I love the way 158 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:23,920 that he's able to play character and think on his feet, 159 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,199 Like multiple times in this episode, he really just has 160 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,160 to like lie out of his ass in the moment, 161 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:32,199 and I just feel like he's always performing to be 162 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,079 playing people and he's doing such a good job for that. 163 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,399 I yeah, I'm really intrigued what's going on. This is 164 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,800 like I'm so hyped for next week, you know, I 165 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,639 wish that we're gonna episode two this Sunday already. I'm 166 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,319 just so hyped on the show. And I didn't rewatch 167 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,639 Batman going into it. I feel like it's been I 168 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,279 don't know a year or so since since I rewatched it, 169 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:54,879 But just watch it. 170 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,839 Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, I got it. 171 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: I gotta get back in there, and I there is 172 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:00,480 some things I feel like I'll have to because you 173 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,000 must have just watched this, Travis the Batman. Yeah, I 174 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,759 feel like I'll have some questions on maybe just what 175 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:10,439 happened between like like certain characters, because I can't quite 176 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,920 remember everything that was going on there. 177 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: But not twice a year. Watch currently right now, I 178 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,800 think Maddie still has me beat for overall views because 179 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,160 I think he saw in the theater more than me. 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,040 But it's always I leave it for It's tough. I 181 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,800 either leave it for the fall or July because I 182 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:26,000 like to watch the Nolan Batman movies in the summer, 183 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,079 and then there's just the odd time that there's It's 184 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,480 just it's a vibe movie, especially those days where it's raining. 185 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,200 You got that munky weather, like, oh, I think Passing's 186 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,440 out there somewhere. 187 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,399 Speaker 2: You going on? 188 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, anytime something in the way he hits on 189 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:40,759 the gym places like, oh, man, I want to be 190 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:43,120 here in Passing. It's October thirty first. 191 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, so fuck. I love this show right now. And 192 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,120 uh really hope it doesn't dive down from that because 193 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,720 that'll that'll hurt. That'll hurt if the quality goes way 194 00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:55,600 out the window. But I believe that it will stay 195 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,840 on par like they're doing such a good job with it. 196 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: I'm loving paul I forget her name, but. 197 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Christy something ye Falcons or are you talking 198 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:12,679 about real daughter or her character's name? Character name Sophia Falcon. 199 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 200 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:15,519 Speaker 4: So whatever the actress is, I've seen her in a 201 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:20,960 handful of things like Palm Springs with Yeah, it wasn't bad, 202 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,279 and then She's how I Met your Mother. I didn't 203 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,759 really like love the character, so like unfortunately I didn't 204 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,320 get to really see layers of her acting. 205 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,279 Speaker 1: But she killed her. 206 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: What a way to end that show. Let's not talk 207 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:34,960 about that. 208 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,399 Speaker 4: But I I just I'm so like like chilling performance, 209 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,000 Like like she is able to totally instill fear I 210 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,279 think with with. 211 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,399 Speaker 2: Just her ambulance on screen, and she. 212 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: Feels like a psycho bitch killer, like I'm killing you know. 213 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,159 I don't know exactly what she did to get into Arkham, 214 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,080 but I'm sure she deserves. 215 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, The Hangman, but two thumbs off. God damn, it's good. 216 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I echo all the things as people if 217 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,480 they don't know, if you're just tuning in, yeah, the Batman. 218 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,639 I need to give it some time. But on the review, 219 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:08,320 I said, oh, it's could be my favorite movie all time. 220 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,840 That's The Dark Knight. But it's it's up there, and 221 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:12,720 I have a moral dilemma for the rest of my 222 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:15,120 life because I love those movies kind of equally but 223 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,000 for different reasons. And but what I love is the 224 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,159 world and luckily they've carried that over and for the 225 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,480 most part, I'd say like eighty five percent of it, 226 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,919 it looks very similar to the film, has that vibe. 227 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:30,440 There's the odd time, like there's this mansion they go 228 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,159 to and they just drove by like almost like some farms, 229 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:34,679 and I was like, well, that doesn't feel like Gotham, 230 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Like there's just like a there's a few times whereas 231 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,480 a few areas just because it's TV or just they 232 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:41,639 don't have the exact same cameras. It was like, okay, 233 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,960 it's not as like completely fine tuned, but it has 234 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,120 the majority of the aura. And it's funny, we just 235 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,440 did a Guessa and it's to a different degree because 236 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,679 he has to do a lot more because just the 237 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,200 episodes are longer. But same thing of like, even if 238 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,840 this show ends up being like going down in quality, 239 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:00,279 which I really don't think, so I'm not worried because 240 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,600 this thing was made as like a mini series, right 241 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:05,960 where sometimes the MCU stuff does that, but and evens 242 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,799 Star Wars. But it's like in this weird in between 243 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,120 where it's like, well, we could do another obi Wan, 244 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,879 but this is where it is. But we could like, 245 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,759 I think this is distinctly made for Okay, we're gonna 246 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,240 give him eight episodes, We're gonna give him a little arc, 247 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:18,720 and this is how he's gonna get from point A 248 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,720 to point B. Two the Batman too, and this is 249 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,000 where he is. And I think it's gonna be the 250 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:26,039 same thing like we talked about in Agatha, where you 251 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:28,519 don't really need to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier 252 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,159 to realize, Oh, Sam's gonna be cap same thing. Like 253 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:33,080 I don't think you're gonna have to watch just to 254 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,440 be like, oh, like, how did penguin get so much 255 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,039 more powerful? It's just like, well, no, he made some 256 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,399 moves on the side, right. But I think what I 257 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,799 like is there's at times I was worried and I've 258 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:44,639 still got some questions about the vic character, but there's 259 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,000 I don't want them to humanize him too much. I 260 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,840 think there should be aspects that he is humanized. But 261 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:54,399 I think there's great potential, like and people compared to sopranos, 262 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,639 like in that vein of being HBO and everything, but 263 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:01,000 the more vein of you can follow a bad character 264 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,200 and still have a good show. That to me, that's 265 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,600 like and I don't think everyone believes it, but some 266 00:12:04,639 --> 00:12:07,039 people have that sentiment of like, you have to your 267 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,279 main character it has to be a good person. There 268 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,480 has to be I can't remember what the the book 269 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,320 is that there's some book in screenwriting that was very 270 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,000 popular about a decade ago, and it's like it's something 271 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,840 something Dog, and it's like, you have to do have 272 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,879 your main character do something in the first act to 273 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,000 really like show the viewers why they're a good person. 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,320 I don't need that. From the show called The Penguin, 275 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:29,000 I can see like motivations and why he might feel 276 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:31,399 he's better than other people. And there's even some things 277 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,679 he does in this show where it's like, Okay, he's 278 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:37,759 trying to, you know, maybe not be as bad as 279 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,240 somebody else, but not in the sense of like he's 280 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,519 still murdering people. He's still hurting people, just like in 281 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,480 his like distorted point of view of well, I'm not 282 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,120 as bad as that guy, or you know, I'm not 283 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:49,960 as bad as a falcon, but it's like, no, you are. 284 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,399 You're just like a different layer. And he still knows 285 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,600 he's selfish. So that's I mean, like the good guy 286 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,519 is and are very minor, and that's what I like. 287 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,960 You still gonna have it like a little bit because 288 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,159 he's your main character. But yeah, the actress playing Sophia, 289 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,240 she's doing a great job. I'm very, very curious what 290 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,679 they're gonna do with her character. I think so far 291 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,960 they got like a lot of fun allusions to Batman 292 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,000 lore and even just the Batman and maybe the Batman two. 293 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,159 But at the same time, it doesn't feel like it's 294 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,879 like beating over the head. It didn't feel like it's 295 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:18,559 like you're gonna have to fall X, Y and Z 296 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:23,399 and good soundtracks so far, lots of good cineatography going on. 297 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,559 I hope it feels like they have like a kind 298 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,759 of a score theme for the Penguin. I don't know 299 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,480 what instrument is. It kind of felt like a cello 300 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,799 or something. I don't know. I'm not an instrument I'm 301 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:36,200 not a music guy, so I don't know what sound 302 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,720 makes everything for the most part, but I hope that 303 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:41,519 theme carries over into the movie. So yeah, as of 304 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,919 right now, for a first start, i'm happy it's week 305 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,159 to week. I'm especially happy for the podcasting. A little 306 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,360 great fun discussion. But this was a show where I 307 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,600 was like, oh I could. I'm jealous of the people 308 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,879 that have because there's reviewers that have all these episodes 309 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:55,440 like man I am jel Zach, because I like, I 310 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,639 want to see this start to finish. I think they 311 00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:00,559 got the The best thing is other than Callan Farrow 312 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,639 is they got like what terrors about the vibe of 313 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:07,039 Matt Reeves Gotham Because Matt Reeves Gotham's like very different. 314 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,320 It's like like they're all, you know, broken in a sense, 315 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,200 but his is like a very grimy, gross type of 316 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:17,919 just it feels like most Gothams so this way, but 317 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:19,519 you don't want to be there, Like no One's Gotham 318 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,840 is just it's just Chicago. It's a big city, right. 319 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:24,080 I don't think we've ever gotten to spend enough time 320 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,000 in Affleck's Gotham to get a sense from it. The 321 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,960 Burden era. It's like a very comic bookie art deco, 322 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,720 Like it's very over the top. It doesn't look like 323 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,639 this world and Jokers is like a crime written one 324 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,240 that that's something where it Jokers Gotham is a character itself, 325 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:42,279 but it doesn't feel like Matt Reeves Gotham, which is 326 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,879 good as it's such a distinct characteration of that city. 327 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:49,159 So yeah, no, I've I'm very I'm not surprised, really, 328 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,840 like I think I would have been more surprised if 329 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,159 can this view, Like, man, what did they do? They 330 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,240 really dropped the ball here, But I think all the 331 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:57,679 pieces they set up, I'm very excited to see where 332 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,399 we go forward. And yeah, Colin Farrow is just he's killed, man. 333 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,279 He is this character. It's just like not even just 334 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,440 the makeup, even if he had the makeup off, the 335 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,320 way he moves, the little mannerisms like one time he's 336 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,320 talking like uh a South term Maroni and he's just 337 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,480 like he's like moving his eyes while he talks. And 338 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,080 it's just like little ticks that he gives, whether it's 339 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,000 his idea Reeves or the other crew, just little ticks 340 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,879 they give. Oswald is just great. It's distinguished him. So 341 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:26,679 I'm I'm I think this is gonna had a lot 342 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,279 of fun, but it's going to be a very great 343 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:31,639 uh eight seven weeks here. 344 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like, you know, we've been we've 345 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,159 been doing this podcast thing for a long time now, 346 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,960 and just just now, like I feel like it still 347 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,240 surprises me when I see like great acting just stand 348 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,120 out amongst like like we watch a lot of content. 349 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,919 We've seen a lot of actors perform great and not great. 350 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,120 And even just like watching the show when like like 351 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,360 minor spoilers Clancy Brown, like the conversation that Clancy Brown 352 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,399 has with the penguin here, I'm just thinking, like, man, 353 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Clancy Brown, Like. 354 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: He I love Klans Brown. 355 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: He's fantastic, but like he's just he's looking like Clancy 356 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:09,240 Brown in the scene and then he's just like across 357 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,399 the table from fucking Colin Farrell, wearing all. 358 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,799 Speaker 2: This like heavy jewelry. 359 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:16,639 Speaker 4: He's got gold teeth, a fake scar, like this big chin, 360 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:20,840 and like he's just he feels like a different creature. 361 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:24,200 Like he feels like a completely different human being. Uh 362 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,559 that is Oswald Cobb. 363 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: And uh you know like like like like. 364 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: Clanson Brown is fantastic, but it's like, okay, Clancy Brown 365 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,000 is playing this character so and and yeah, as you 366 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,000 shouted out, like just the little manner is like like 367 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,480 the way that he does a little cough for like 368 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,240 like just just everything, like the way he's grunting waddling 369 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:44,279 around like he just I don't know, he's just living, breathing, 370 00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:49,840 uh as cob here and and he's just yeah, like. 371 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,559 Speaker 3: Certain predictions episode. 372 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah. 373 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: Oh last thing I wanted to say too before we 374 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,599 jump in spoilers, But I feel like they also did 375 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:07,480 a really good job of just feeling like this is 376 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:09,799 this is like right after the events of The Batman, 377 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,440 like like the effects literally literally. 378 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: Like the first shot is of Penguin, Like the movie 379 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,519 ends with Penguins standing in his office watching over Gotham, 380 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:19,119 and that's the first shot of this show. Is yeah, 381 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,519 Penguin in that exact same spot, you. 382 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 4: Know, and like the effect of the Riddler's still out 383 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,039 there like like like that is really clear, and I 384 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,160 I love it, you know, it's it's it's not like 385 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,319 this feels like a completely like different journey that's not 386 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,839 attached to the regular canon or something like that. 387 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: M hm. So we're gonna get into spoilers and uh yeah, 388 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,200 so you haven't seen the episode, come back later on 389 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:45,200 if not, we're gonna break it all down. So we'll 390 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,079 be right back. We're back, Taylor, where did you want 391 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:50,160 to go first? 392 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,319 Speaker 3: You know, I would like to start with him probably 393 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:01,599 getting probably getting Vic actually a part of his little crew, 394 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,640 because I was not expecting that. We can probably no, 395 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:06,279 like you. 396 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Definitely talked about on the podcast That's Okay about. 397 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: Him getting like his little like Vic Apprentice and the way. 398 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was one of my worries. I was like, 399 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,200 I don't know if I need a kid criminal character. 400 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:18,279 And I'm I'm liking it so far, but I you know, 401 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,200 my worries I think are gone because I think I 402 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,200 saw how much screen time he got. But I was worried, 403 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,160 especially in the first fifteen minutes of this episode, like 404 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,799 when they're sitting by the fire and and I'm like, man, 405 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,680 is this whole episode gonna be like Oswald and Vic? 406 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:34,000 And like I don't need that, but if it's this 407 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,160 type of screen time, But yeah, we definitely talked about this. 408 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: So I am loving the big character. I could only 409 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,599 imagine how terrifying that would be because you're already breaking 410 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,680 the law and stealing this guy's rims and then he 411 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,400 comes out in a purple plum suit that matches his 412 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,359 car and he's shooting guns off at you, like it's 413 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 it's absolutely terrifying. Drops a body too, mind you while 414 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,559 he's chasing you down with his gun and now you're 415 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,680 working for him. But the whole dynamic of a Vic 416 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,920 just kind of being very cautious but still smiling. Like 417 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,279 I enjoyed it when the Dolly parton nine to five 418 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,880 came on in Penguin's car and Vic starts to smile 419 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,440 to himself. So there's a few just little things like 420 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,559 that that I can really appreciate. But yeah, I'm I 421 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:21,319 have a hunch that Vic is gonna get killed at 422 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:25,200 the end of this season. No you do, Yeah, how 423 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,559 does he die? I think he'll get murdered as an example. 424 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:30,559 I don't think Cobbo Pot will kill him. I think 425 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:32,319 that'll be really the case. 426 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm not upset. I think cal Pot's gonna 427 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:35,480 be one. 428 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:39,039 Speaker 3: Does it really because Vick will betray him or. 429 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:42,079 Speaker 1: Some reason, just because I just feel like it's gonna 430 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,920 be the full circle moment where he Penguin was gonna 431 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,000 kill him and he decided against it. But I love that, like, 432 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,440 oh I love that sunset and Victor he's like, oh no, no, 433 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,400 look it's really nice, look at it. Don't do this. 434 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,799 But I I whether it's betrayal, whether it's just he 435 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720 has to make a moved to be because because at 436 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,079 the end of day, he's supposed to be a villain. 437 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,680 So with Sophia saying like, you'll say any story, even 438 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,079 if it costs someone's life, You'll say a story. I 439 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,319 think Vic will meet his demise because of went there 440 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,480 could be a chance that someone kills them as like 441 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,720 a message to Penguin. But then I just worry again, 442 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,400 stay on the fucking streets and get pickles. You know, like, 443 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,920 couldn't imagine that they do the whole movie. You don't 444 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,279 kill a single person, but in the TV shows he's 445 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,000 murdering everybody. But no, I just feel like, because at 446 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,960 the end of the day, if they have Vic get 447 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,160 killed and I'm gonna get revenge from my friend, you 448 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:40,160 might teeter too much into like a hero type of vibes. 449 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,599 I feel like Oz is gonna something will happen in 450 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,720 Oz will give him the big heave ho sadly for Vic. 451 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm kind of 452 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,799 a bill on Vic Victor. Uh like yeah, but like. 453 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,559 Speaker 1: We're not moving on this review to you. 454 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:00,799 Speaker 2: I do I do like the character of Vic. 455 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 4: I I like I like when Cobb is like getting 456 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,279 one on one with him of like like lived in that. 457 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, he's just he's just getting personal 458 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:09,799 with him. 459 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:12,799 Speaker 4: It's very much like he is that old style gangster, 460 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,400 you know that he told in that in that story 461 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,079 that he's trying to be that that big brother type 462 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,519 guy for him, especially that they kind of came from 463 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:23,160 the same neighborhood. Like just getting that one on one. 464 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,839 I didn't love how they like met of just this 465 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,720 guy like has his like buddies that that they're like 466 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:31,640 doing missions with and then he just gets like captured 467 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,279 by cobble Putt and like does he just never talk 468 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,119 to those guys ever again? Of like dude, what the 469 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,839 fuck happened? Like Buddy died, you know. 470 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: Because he was looking for you, and like like even 471 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,359 one of his. 472 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:42,839 Speaker 1: Friends is dead later on the episode. 473 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: Well I don't know if that's what I mean. 474 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: Colleagues is dead, you know, So. 475 00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I would imagine that they were at 476 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,559 least somewhat friends. Like even if Vic did lose his 477 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:53,279 family and like was on his own, it still seems 478 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,359 like he had at least a crew that he's running with. 479 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,319 So I just feel like there it would be a 480 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,119 tie to them, like uh, and maybe next episod So 481 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:02,240 like he does interact with those guys and they are 482 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:04,720 asking kind of what's going on, but like as of 483 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,880 right now, it yeah, like like it seems it seems 484 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,440 like right now he just is not gonna have any 485 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,559 ties with them, and he's just like completely with with 486 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,880 uh with Osle Ray and so like that felt a 487 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160 little bit clunky to me, but after that point, like 488 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,920 I still like them together. So yeah, I just think 489 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,839 it could have been I don't know, like like you 490 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,240 don't like, I think you could have just done the 491 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,880 stealing of the rims scene differently, Like. 492 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's being nitpicky. Like I still loved it overall. 493 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:35,559 Speaker 1: I agree to a point where it's just, you know, 494 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:39,359 big moment with Alberto Falcone kills him dragging his body 495 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,200 out shoots. He goes, hey, you don't want to come 496 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,279 with me? Like I yeah, that he needs help, but 497 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,160 it's also like a very sense of situation, and I 498 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,480 also get that he's still gonna kill him after. But 499 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,039 I just think that it felt like, how do we 500 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,160 get these characters connected? Well, it's just gonna be happening 501 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,759 while he takes his body to the trunk and like 502 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,400 it works well enough, but it just feels for such 503 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,559 a big steaks thing. I just feel like Oz would 504 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,759 maybe just want to keep that a bit quieter or 505 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:04,519 maybe I don't know, Like I just feel like at 506 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:06,240 that point, like I'm just doing this myself. I don't 507 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,119 want to risk anything this guy because what happens for 508 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,960 some reason, this guy like fucking Penguin can't run as 509 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,759 we saw in this episode, his foot fuck is fucked up, man, 510 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,599 his toes and everything and all looking good. So like 511 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,559 I just think, like, if there's a chance, if it 512 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,400 gets away and he ties you, uh, Like, I just 513 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,960 think there it was odd in that moment to take 514 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,480 out the new like King of Gotham and then also 515 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,960 just bring someone new to the crew. I thought it's 516 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,079 like maybe uncharacteristic. And I guess I kind of same 517 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,680 thing I was wondering too, like would this penguin keep 518 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,920 a young guy, you know as this kind of lackey 519 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,400 you know, buddy whatever. And I guess it's just he 520 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,440 sees a bit of himself in him because he also 521 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,400 came from nothing. So I liked I think that stuff 522 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,440 with the mother reinforced later on why he would do that. 523 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,960 But at first I was like, I don't know if 524 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,519 I even buy Penguin having a proje. This just feels 525 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,039 like we need a character that's the eyes of the world. 526 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,640 But then I think they they did strain a law 527 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:06,039 or they did so together. 528 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,599 Speaker 4: Would you preferred him just like being on his own though, 529 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,440 and like just having an inner dialogue with it, Like 530 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,599 I still feel like you need someone in those scene 531 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,640 like when they're in the car going places, Like I 532 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,039 like that he was able to at least dialogue off 533 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:20,319 of him, even though you know, Vick's just like stuttering 534 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,680 and isn't really saying a lot, like you just still 535 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,400 have I don't know it just it. 536 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: Just seems cleaner, I think to. 537 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,079 Speaker 4: Have cot like like to be able to have Colin 538 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,799 Ferrell just act in the car like bouncing off of someone, 539 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,640 Like I like that more than him just in his 540 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,880 head like what the fuck. 541 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,519 Speaker 2: Am I gonna do now? 542 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 4: Like like thinking about these things I do, like the 543 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,160 one on one and yeah, I just also like the 544 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,240 little moments of when he is just like, yeah, let's 545 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:46,160 just enjoy this this sunrise, like you ever had a cigar? 546 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,799 I am completely convinced that he actually was gonna kill him, 547 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,000 and I think someone that's in that moment until he 548 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:55,799 did say something. But yeah, the pickles. The pickles line. Fuck, 549 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,319 he's like, I asked for more pickles, they gave me two. 550 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,680 What the fuck does that me? He's just so good. 551 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: God, damn, can't believe your chat CHIVT pickles, like got 552 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,200 tied into this. 553 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: You know they've seen all the episodes. 554 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: Clear, Yeah, everyone go check out their predictions and everything. 555 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,240 So to answer the like, would I prefer it? I 556 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,039 have to see the whole show, because one, I just 557 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,920 gotta hopefully like VIC is used well and everybody comes 558 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,920 like overbearing because sometimes the younger characters, I don't know 559 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,519 you can go that way. And then to two, I also 560 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,960 just have to see that is there not a version 561 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,759 of this movie or the show that it couldn't have 562 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,680 just been like a bodyguard that he already has, right, 563 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:36,720 Like he kills Falcone and then he shoots him, says, hey, 564 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,960 I need your help, and that's it. So that's what we'll. 565 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,920 I'll I can't judge until I've seen all the episodes 566 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,839 because you could still have him in the car, which 567 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,400 I like when he got all this stuff of the phony. 568 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,519 He just takes his gun and he's like breaking the 569 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,200 phone beside me. He's like, look at that. He's like. 570 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,799 It's just like it's like what an odd little you know, 571 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:55,720 a little man. He's actually big. The makeup and the 572 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,279 prost texts they put on him, the make or the body. 573 00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: Has no shirt on. At the end, it's like. 574 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have to wait and see till it's 575 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,440 all done. Uh if I would have preferred just like 576 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,440 a bodyguard, because I think you're right that you need 577 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,920 you probably need somebody there with him to bounce off. 578 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,279 Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I like, I'm. 579 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 4: Not going to disagree with anything you said there, but 580 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,680 I just feel like to defend Vic's like the importance 581 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,400 of having that. 582 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: Character as opposed to a bodyguard is. 583 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: I just feel like it's so much more interesting having 584 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440 someone that could have been in a similar position that 585 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,680 that penguin was as a wee young lad, maybe ripping 586 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,680 rims off of you know, gangsters as a little kid. 587 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,759 And like he's also showing like use right, Like like 588 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,960 he he runs like I'm assuming, yeah, he lays the 589 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:46,519 what the fuck are they called it? Like the brick 590 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,599 on the gas pedal to go to the the family's 591 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,200 house there to like actually get the reveal that Alberto 592 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,759 is dead, like like like he did do that play 593 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,799 for it, Like I don't know, it's just like it's 594 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,640 one thing to just have it's funny. I'm just thinking 595 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,759 a Bagatha netlight like to. 596 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Have a new young character like coming to the show. 597 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,079 Speaker 1: To interact with similar actually to. 598 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: Like interact with our character. 599 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: But it just seems like already Vic is like a 600 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,000 real key player to like helping out Penguin more so 601 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:17,119 than just what a bodyguard would be to actually just 602 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:19,759 remove a body or something like that. Like I'm just 603 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,640 more intrigued to see how far he's gonna go maybe 604 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,119 and how evil he becomes as like a bad guy. 605 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it gives more of a reason to be invested, 606 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,119 right because it's not just like another guy, because like 607 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,559 it's not just another bodyguard that could flip and be 608 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,519 with a different crime organization. This is gonna be the 609 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,400 guy that gave him a chance. You know, Penguin gave 610 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,720 Vick a chance could have killed them, so there could 611 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,680 be And again, I think it will hurt more when 612 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,880 Vic does I imagine turn or do something. I'm not 613 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160 sure what they'll string along, but I don't think he's 614 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,160 gonna make it to The Batman Part two, unfortunately for Vic. 615 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,480 But who knows. You never know. Maybe he'll just have 616 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,160 to be his lack on the side, but I don't 617 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,400 think so. 618 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,079 Speaker 2: He's the main villain of The Batman too. 619 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, this isn't like a comic book 620 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,880 character or anything like like no big ties. 621 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: To not as of yet, like Penguin doesn't have like 622 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,039 some kid mentor. But because I know I saw people 623 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,920 meming about that it's gonna be mister Freeze because Victor Freeze. 624 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,279 So I don't think that's gonna be the case. But uh, 625 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,039 as of right now, with the information we have, it's 626 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,200 not like an Agatha situation where it's like, oh, look 627 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,519 out this young person. It's somebody you know. 628 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,039 Speaker 2: I got spoiled on that today. I know all about Oh. 629 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,839 Speaker 1: Go ahead, we're all spoiled that because I spoil out 630 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000 for Dylan Taylor a couple of nights ago on Agatha, 631 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,160 who teen is So yeah, I didn't think that would last. 632 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,599 It would last too long on the Wanda Vision era. 633 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: So's so funny because like I won't spoil it now, 634 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,480 hopefully not. But like, like the little thing that I 635 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,359 saw too, it's like teen is not this character, it's 636 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,720 this character, and I'm like. 637 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: What the kind of article is that? Like, why would 638 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,759 I ever want to know that information? 639 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: Fuck sakes bum that's gonna next week? Vic is this character, 640 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,279 but he's really this character is mister Freeze. He's there, 641 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,839 he's saying in there, Yeah, are you happy with the 642 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,839 al so you think he's you said, he's probably gonna 643 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,839 die by somebody else, But are you happy with just 644 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:14,400 the Vicky character right now? 645 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 5: The Vicky character Vicky Vic Okay, I I was thinking 646 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,480 of like Vicky from what's her name first Batman, Vicky Veil, 647 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:26,279 Vicky Veil. 648 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I don't know Vicky Vale in here? 649 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,559 Speaker 2: Uh, But no, I think the Vic. 650 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,319 Speaker 3: Character, like he's he's more engaging and intriguing than. 651 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: I was expecting him to be. 652 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:38,799 Speaker 3: And I think, like you said, you worry, like, oh, 653 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,559 it's just gonna be kind of like a pylon tag 654 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,359 and along and be kind of boring or bland, but 655 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,599 a pylon. He's he's doing a good job of being 656 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,319 that gateway into this world and show for the viewer 657 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 because he keeps asking, like like Oswald. 658 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: Like where are we going, what's next? What are you doing? 659 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,839 Speaker 3: And he's asking questions and these are the kind of 660 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,440 things that you as the viewer, you're going to be 661 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,599 wondering and you're gonna be pitch and so it's nice 662 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,119 that they kind of have this character learning the world 663 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,680 as he goes along. 664 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: Like we are. 665 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,279 Speaker 3: So I like that. And yeah, he's just his quick involvement. 666 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,839 Like you already said that, there's probably little bits of 667 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,039 history and in that cobble Pot probably sees and sees 668 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,160 in himself a little bit, So it makes sense why 669 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,119 he would kind of recruit him and pull him in. 670 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,799 But at the same time, it was definitely rushed, But 671 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,119 I like seeing how he was being able to be 672 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,799 a part of cobble Pot's kind of history and past 673 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,000 here where he goes to his apartment, sees like some 674 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,640 photos and then he gets to go to his actual 675 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:44,000 mum's house and see see that dynamic. So he he 676 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,400 seems like a nice kid. But then at the same time, 677 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000 like for doing these things, it's probably gonna like transition 678 00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,519 and change. I loved when he was actually the architect 679 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,039 of that plan, and he ended up just cutting the 680 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,240 finger off. He couldn't do it, couldn't cut the neck off, and. 681 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:00,519 Speaker 2: Couldn't I tried doing it for the gonna do from 682 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:01,319 the back, It's. 683 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,039 Speaker 3: Like, okay, yeah, so I'm I'm liking a character a lot. 684 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, super Bank points out could be a better chance 685 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,400 of being Victor says that my mind went to that 686 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240 when he said Victor. But then I realized, like, okay, right, 687 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,319 they have this those scars. Yeah, every time he kills 688 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:23,519 somebody cuts a cuts himself, but only in city. Yeah, 689 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,160 maybe that'll be the moment Vick will take off his 690 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,519 shirt and he has all these scars and Fenglin's like, 691 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,599 wha god, what do you show me? And then here 692 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,400 for you Osle. 693 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,519 Speaker 2: Then he shows his tone and then Victory's. 694 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:40,279 Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, yeah, so we got that. Uh so Albert. 695 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,160 It's so funny because a couple a couple of I'm 696 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000 losing track of time, but last week I can't remember 697 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920 if it's a writer Matt reeves where they asked him, 698 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,920 because so few have al cones in this and they have. 699 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,799 The falcones have big ties to the long Halloween story 700 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,920 and dark Victory at sequel and Alberto big big character 701 00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,759 in Long Halloween. So I'm sure some interviewer asked, I'm like, oh, 702 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,640 you appening them, and so oh yeah, no, we're not 703 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,519 adapting that. There's some elements, but we're not adapting that. 704 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,359 And I definitely aren't. As Alberto had one scene and 705 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160 fucking he's gone. So I not that I thought they're 706 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,839 gonna go I'm not gonna spoil it because one day 707 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:14,720 we will read that combook, but not that I thought 708 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,000 they're gonna go the route of what happens with Alberto 709 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,119 and Long Halloween. But it was funny that they're setting 710 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,680 him up to be this new big king. And I 711 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:28,759 this is again where having Ozby very manipulative, that this guy, 712 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,559 you know, former or recovering addict, you know, trying his 713 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,880 trying his best to say off the sauce. They have 714 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,400 to drops he right away to try to get his way, 715 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:40,640 is trying to get him liquored up, and he takes 716 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,759 the drums say ah, yeah that's good. Like he's just 717 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,759 he's such an enabler. But and even like he I 718 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,160 love the way Pharrell plays it that when he's in 719 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,920 his like the safe and he's getting all the jewels 720 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,839 and the foes and everything like that second like, oh yeah, 721 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:55,480 I want to stop buying this is for you, and 722 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,319 like he like just be friends Alberto so fast in 723 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,400 a way where we're like okay, like not that we 724 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,759 believe it, but you think he's gonna stick with us 725 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,039 for a little while. And then you know, the conversation 726 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,200 doesn't go good and Penguin shoots him, which at one 727 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,079 moment I thought, all, this is a dream sequence. He 728 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,279 didn't actually shoot him, and then when he like it, 729 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,000 just kept playings like oh nice, like it it's actually happening. 730 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,079 We get this great scene where he's gonna take him 731 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,839 down the stairs, but he actually just decides to chuck 732 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,640 his body down the stairs. So I liked everything, and 733 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,519 I liked the whole conversation because we told about the 734 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,319 trailers right of him talking about that parade and oh 735 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,480 like how they respected him and he wants to be 736 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720 like an old school type of gangster, where Alberto clearly 737 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,440 didn't want that or just thought if Oswald wanted that, 738 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,519 then it's good to kill him. So I liked that 739 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,640 the whole scene and situation. I think they were smart 740 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,000 to have that because you're killing a you know, big 741 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,440 character by name, because all they've done so far she say, oh, 742 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,279 he's gonna be the new king of Gotham or crime 743 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:51,640 syndicates or whatnot. So Penguin killing him right away, you 744 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,960 feel like, Okay, the stakes have been raised. So I 745 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,279 liked everything they did there. 746 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I I love that sequence so much. It 747 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:04,279 was it was like a like a shock moment for sure, 748 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,720 when he shot him. I was because I don't know, 749 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,199 I I kind of just didn't really think about like 750 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,079 how big of a family like Falcone could have had, 751 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,800 so like when he was strettinged into the the Iceberg 752 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,559 lounge there, I'm just like, oh, this is just very 753 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,840 clearly the new kingpin of Gotham here. But they did 754 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,159 a good job of just making it like it's a 755 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,480 lot more of an established business, you know that that 756 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:33,920 is going on, not just because Carmine is dead or sorry, 757 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800 just because Carmine is dead doesn't mean that like you know, 758 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,760 like it's just an open seat like it like there 759 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,039 is a lot of moving factors at play. It is 760 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,840 a well oiled machine that I just love that moment, 761 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,559 and like, yeah, Alberta's just like laughing in his face 762 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,880 and like demoralizing him, and it already seemed like like 763 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,840 Cobb was like playing him like like a fiddle, just 764 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920 like fanning the flames of his ego, right like, oh no, 765 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,159 like that's all Like he just seems like he's he's 766 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,360 he's every right answer to like what Alberto would be, Uh, 767 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440 get me off of there. He like you had a 768 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,559 ghost find you or something. 769 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: Check you're like calibrimborm and uh. 770 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: Uh like like I don't know, he's just saying everything right, 771 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:26,480 and then Alberto just said one too many things to 772 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,360 him and he just you just couldn't handle anymore, and 773 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,400 like he's a fucking hard motherfucker and he just pulls 774 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,679 out his gun and shoots him right there, and he 775 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440 just laughs in his face with his like crooked golden 776 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,400 teeth and then he's like. 777 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,079 Speaker 2: Oh shit, and then he has to get the fucking 778 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:41,880 bag on him. 779 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, it was so weird because he like the last 780 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,559 lines before the penguin drop, he's like oh and then 781 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,800 it cut off, so it's like, Okay, they're not gonna 782 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,559 do and then after that the rest of show proceeds 783 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,920 like characters dropping f bombs like the boob in here 784 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,559 I missed the boob. 785 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, when they're walking and the ladies comes, Yeah, 786 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,079 he's going for his albi. 787 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:05,679 Speaker 4: And then there's a couple of ladies of the night 788 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,719 on the street and then Vic looks back and then 789 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,280 one of them is like like what you see and 790 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,320 then gives. 791 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,559 Speaker 1: A little I know, I don't know how I missed 792 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,559 that a repeater. That's what I'm doing right now after this. 793 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,000 I'm gonna pull it up right now. But yeah, I 794 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,199 was surprised actually how hard they went with a R. 795 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,199 And I'm not saying they didn't need to, because like 796 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,199 his HBO, I don't think they need to. I still 797 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:28,840 think you take all the swear words everything I would 798 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,440 have liked to show. But I was like, Okay, they're 799 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,360 not dropping f bombs. But then yeah, lots of f 800 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,440 bombs in the show and everything. Soh let's see. We 801 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,280 talked about Vic, we talked about Yeah, they got the albi, 802 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,119 and then I'm curious what this new drug is gonna be. 803 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,679 If it's gonna be anything that is Batman two related, 804 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,159 or is it literally just gonna be like a new 805 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480 type of drug, because it feels like, you know, with 806 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,800 drops and everything, they got that going well, and I 807 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,239 guess the setup of this is he gets the phone, 808 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,719 he looks at the ship bent and before I'll borrow 809 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,199 somehow it's gonna revolution and eyes the drug business. But 810 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,079 the Falcone family does not. They want to pull out 811 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,440 of Gotham because these uh the oh god, what's the 812 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:14,280 word floods but obviously not really a flood terrorist attack, 813 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,199 but sild the floods. 814 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,039 Speaker 4: When he has that meeting too or sorry earlier on, 815 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,760 when when he's at like the actual facility, guys like, yeah, 816 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,280 we like, you know, thirty percent was recovered or like 817 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,280 saved from the for the floods. 818 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: And the when he has the meeting later on, he's like, 819 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,280 seventy percent was. 820 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:34,079 Speaker 1: Saved millions of dollars. Yeah, he's just such a great liar. 821 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, they bullshitter. 822 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so good. They tell him that he's gonna 823 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,519 have to shut down the operations, and uh, I like 824 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,360 to when he made them this whole pitch and right 825 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,280 before you're about to leave, he's like, so we're good, 826 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,840 we're gonna do what I plan. And then he's like 827 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,320 just shut it down and go like like whatever he 828 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,119 said they didn't want, and then we meet Sofia Falcon, who, yeah, 829 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,639 she is in the comics, knowe is the hang Man. 830 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,800 She's uh, there's a murder mystery that obviously not that'd 831 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,519 be a big spoil because if were read the combook, 832 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,000 they'd be talking about the Hangman. And so I like 833 00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:08,719 that she went there, she went to Arkham. She's rehabilitated, supposedly, 834 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,199 but already I think by the end of this episode 835 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:11,599 we see not so much. I think it's just the 836 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:14,159 case of having a rich family that can pull some 837 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,679 strings and everything, and she That's why I love that 838 00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,719 we have a character like Penguin, who I still consider 839 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,159 a villain doing evil things, a bad guy, but we 840 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,320 have someone that might be like an even badder guy 841 00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:31,119 in Sofia Valcone, and I love, absolutely loved that she 842 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,199 can almost like and they've almost insinuated that they've known 843 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,599 each other for a long time. They insinuated a lot 844 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,079 of stuff they know in Chad for a long time. 845 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,519 They insinuate that Penguin might have been had a hand 846 00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,719 in getting her set up in Arkham, because oh, I'm 847 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,559 sorry that I had to tell your dad, Like that's 848 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,320 very intriguing, Like what did Penguin, why did he go 849 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,360 to Carmine, did you just think she was out of control? 850 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,039 Like who knows? I love that she right away could 851 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,679 smell like his kind of bullshit. She set him up 852 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,960 where she made him answer all these questions and then 853 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,159 after the fact gave him the whole Oh well, my 854 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,199 brother said he was going there, and my brother didn't 855 00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,199 tell me that you knew about the shipment, so just 856 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,400 made him look like an idiot. And it's just like 857 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,719 the dinner or whatever, lunch is like just a great 858 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,800 like battle of with them trying to outsmart each other 859 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,199 with lies. And I was just like, Sofia, she's like 860 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000 stuffing her face because she's been like locked him arking 861 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:23,639 for we don't know how long, but I'll say maybe 862 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,519 at least some months, but a couple of years maybe even. 863 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,599 So everything about her introduction that character, even that end 864 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:32,639 scene when they had the fiber wire and Penguin's arm 865 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,199 and they're interrogating him, to the long point of me 866 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,239 just saying is like, I cannot wait till she finds 867 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,840 out that Penguin actually killed her brother. And I think 868 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,639 she's just gonna she's gonna, she's gonna blow a gasket. 869 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 4: Sos Kristin Miliotis you know, she's fantastic. I love that 870 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:58,000 whole sequence of the lunch, even the meeting of the 871 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,960 family members. Who the chap I think he's I don't know. 872 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 I've seen him in so many different roles, the guy 873 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,480 that was like really adamant on shutting down everything. 874 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's it like was he in The Batman? 875 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: No? So I think he's just like a Falcone crime 876 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,079 family advise. 877 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,199 Speaker 2: So those photos that. 878 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,079 Speaker 4: Like Penguin finds they were of him, right, yes? And 879 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,199 then who does he send Like you know, he like 880 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,599 makes the envelope and it's like, let's work together or 881 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:26,440 let's be pals. 882 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 2: Who is he sending that to? 883 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: Oh, we don't know you. I don't know yet. I 884 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,800 would imagine someone on Maroney's. 885 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 3: Side the photos they were going to counsel them in 886 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,760 something or rather, I can't remember his name. 887 00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh so he's trying to buy playing Okay, Yeah, which 888 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,280 is gonna be interesting because I feel like I could 889 00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:50,280 I want to know more of that story. I could 890 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,280 be wrong, but I feel like the mob, like someone 891 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,719 in the mob high ranking getting revealed that always like 892 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,880 maybe having an affair on his wife's Like I don't 893 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920 think that's like a big thing, right, Like I feel like, 894 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,760 so I'm curious to see what more there is to 895 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,679 that story. Or maybe he's like high ranking because remember 896 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,599 we had in the Iceberg Lounge and the Batman, we 897 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,360 had a lot of politicians hanging out there, So maybe 898 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,880 he is a maybe Michael Kelly, that guy, he's a 899 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960 political figure himself, like he's not supposed to be with 900 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,480 these mobsters. So I think there's more that's gonna happen, 901 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:21,960 and good thing is I know it's gonna be falled 902 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:22,239 up on. 903 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I'm intrigued to see what because when 904 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,159 I first saw the photos, I thought it was like 905 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,400 a councilman in the full like the actual photo, And 906 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,639 then I was intrigued on because I took it like 907 00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:41,920 Carmen Carmen Carmine like had that as leveraged for like 908 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,119 someone like, I don't know, the mayor or someone like 909 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:45,880 in the office so that he could just do his 910 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,639 power plays. 911 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 2: And then the photo isn't actually of someone like that, 912 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,320 it's another member of the family. So I don't know. 913 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,639 I was just confused on what that was. 914 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know where I was going with 915 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,039 that so if he has great Sophia, Yeah, oh yeah, 916 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:05,960 I was gonna just shout out again calin Ferrell's Penguin. 917 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,360 I love that scene when she questions him of like interesting, 918 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,320 I was meeting with my brother and we were talking 919 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,199 about this plan and like this is between us, and 920 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,599 like he doesn't even like skip a beat or sweat 921 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,480 in the moment or like at least reveals it that 922 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,039 he is nervous just right away. It's like man, like 923 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:23,760 he kept you in the dark too, Like he told 924 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,239 me that it was just me and him, like like 925 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,840 like he's just so smooth of just working on his 926 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440 feet and and just bullshitting his way out of these situations. 927 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,639 And just calin Ferrell's performance was just fantastic and that 928 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,960 I really really liked it. 929 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. 930 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,519 Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Sophia and what's gonna happen with her 931 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,039 this season, Well, I. 932 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 3: Mean, you guys highlighted it just a little bit earlier. 933 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,639 I was trying to figure out exactly why she was 934 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,719 locked up in Arkham, not just I assume it wasn't 935 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,719 just like a simple murder, but probably something else a 936 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,599 little bit more serious. 937 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,039 Speaker 1: No, she's probably like I don't think she operates away 938 00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,760 because technically she's a but it would kind of almost 939 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,320 be on the serial killer if they pull from the 940 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,280 com books the hang Man, it's like a serial killer, 941 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,679 it's aweso. She's with the mob, so it's more like 942 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,920 mob killings. But still it's that like multiple victims. You know, 943 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:12,719 ba could jazz. 944 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 2: Well. 945 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just she's an interesting character and I had 946 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,719 no idea what to expect from her in this show. 947 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,239 I don't know a lot about the Falconies and the 948 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,960 Maronis so but the names are definitely familiar. I'm pretty uh. 949 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:32,679 I was gonna say, yeah, they were all mentioned in 950 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,480 the Nolan trilogy. So all in all, I think she's 951 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,519 definitely been scary. She has that aesthetic and that vibe 952 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,079 that hey you're you know, we're friends, we're getting lunch 953 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,039 together yet YadA yea. And then she just turns on 954 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:48,840 a dime. And I thought that that scene where she was. 955 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 2: Basically just with. 956 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:56,159 Speaker 3: Cobble plot in the restaurant and Oswald just totally takes 957 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,440 in what she was accusing him, or not accusing but implying, 958 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,639 and he just turned around into some crazy deal and 959 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,039 she's like, excuse me, and it just totally totally works out. 960 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:10,360 So I really liked how Oswald. Oswald did that. But yeah, 961 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,480 she's just she's terrifying and she's powerful, and yeah, she 962 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,639 she won't hesitate to execute you do. 963 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 1: You think he was planning on killing her when he 964 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,440 invited her back to the club, because he's like, oh, you, oh, 965 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:26,840 take a look, see if everything's clean, like that'd be bold. 966 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,159 But I just thought like he was inviting her to 967 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,400 the club, and it's like, well, you know, that's how 968 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,039 I got wrong the thin. 969 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 4: So I don't think so, because I think he was 970 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,519 really confident in his cleanup of it, so it's like, yeah, 971 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:39,559 we'll go there, and then she. 972 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,039 Speaker 2: Can be convinced that that's that. 973 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,599 Speaker 4: Because I also think that she if she's already sus 974 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000 of him, I'm sure she's capable of taking him out 975 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,559 on her own, but I still feel like she would 976 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:51,400 have back up because. 977 00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: She is there by herself, like Alberto. 978 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 4: But I took it like he was just really trying 979 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,840 to double down on his lie, like well, I know 980 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,719 it's clean, so yeah, let's go check it out, like 981 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,519 maybe we'll find him there, right, And. 982 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: I did, like just little stuff where they're talking and 983 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,320 she's like, oh, the car and the purple like, oh no, 984 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,239 it's plump. I like that. It was just a minor 985 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,679 conversation and then til later on being like, well, that's 986 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,719 a problem with having a plumb car. Not many people 987 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000 have that color. And that leads to like, you know, 988 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,199 all this guy says, which a great scene too of Okay, 989 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,239 this guy says, you know saw you at the club 990 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,400 the same night my brother went missing. You know, is 991 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239 he lying? He's like, yeah, he's lying, and then she 992 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,360 just shoots him. We talked about earlier for her to 993 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,000 make a point saying like he would just say any 994 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,559 story to a sacrifice or he's willing to sacrifice a 995 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:41,559 life to just give credence to his story. But I 996 00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,320 loved how just like sudden, that was not even like 997 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,559 a gunpoint to the guy. Just now, she just killed 998 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,480 that car robber, you know, hijack or whatnot. So again, 999 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:52,360 she's gonna be just as brutal as him. So I'm 1000 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,119 I'm very she's doing a great job, and I'm interesting 1001 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,239 there dynamic moving forward. So let's take her next ad 1002 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,920 break and then we'll be right back. All right, we're back, 1003 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,360 and then what I want to pull up. Is there 1004 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,519 some no kirklanm did you have somewhere you want to go? 1005 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 2: That's fine, you go ahead, Okay, you. 1006 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,159 Speaker 1: Can come back there after. But what I want to 1007 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,480 pull up is all during this episode. I was gonna 1008 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,559 say this one thing first, but during this episode lots 1009 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,519 of Riddler illusions. They talk about how he's been arrested. 1010 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:20,800 You see him on the news. 1011 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 2: Can the QR code fuck off? 1012 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you got Penguin I like, And that's I 1013 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,760 still like with the criminals versus the weirdos is when 1014 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,320 they're driving it's after the first night vicing Penguin in 1015 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,599 the car and Penguin's like, I can't believe what this 1016 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,360 mad man did this city, you know, And because to them, 1017 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,039 they still think they're running it as a like an 1018 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,400 organized way. It's still kind of the legacy of the 1019 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:46,800 mob and buy the book like, yeah, they're doing bad things. 1020 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,400 Was like, well that's how you do and got them 1021 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,239 where the way Riddler did. It's like that, it's like 1022 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,159 that's a real criminal, Like that's a real bad guy. Yeah, 1023 00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,159 so I like that Penguin said that, but this was 1024 00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,679 actually the QR code that was skin It does come 1025 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,320 with some stuff yeah, it's a full in code. So 1026 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,719 this is a clockbreaker. At first, I thought it was 1027 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,679 Clockbrock clock cockbro I thought it was cock blocker at first, 1028 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,719 Like that's an interesting name. But u's been put in motion, 1029 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,079 can't stop Arkham's releasing patients and Blackgate is a mess. 1030 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,119 Uh No, one's really a prisoner in there, not even 1031 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,519 our old pal Salamroni, which is kind of like a 1032 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,760 good allusion to like when Penguin gets in there, he 1033 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,519 goes to sit down, so I was like, no, no, 1034 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:32,800 that's not my table, my tails over here. So again 1035 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,239 it's like he's in prison, but he can also still 1036 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,400 like do drug drop shit bent Like he's running things 1037 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,679 from the inside as much as he can, right, And 1038 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,280 that whole this little speech there about like, oh, they're 1039 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,039 releasing prisoners for Arkham. That's what makes me wonder about 1040 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,239 Sophia of like was she supposed to be longer? And 1041 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,079 she wasn't, you know, So that's what makes me a 1042 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,280 little curious. Here. I'm trying to get the full thing 1043 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,079 here because I don't want to keep pausing. Oh no, 1044 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:05,400 it scrolls down, My goodness, let's see great on air TV. 1045 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,119 But at least you know Tayo's keeping us busy, right right, 1046 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:15,719 Oh yeah, Dexter, Let's see, we're gonna go to him. 1047 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,199 He's just gonna go one. He's not gonna be there. 1048 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,039 He's gonna be there. People say they want the truth, 1049 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,760 but they shield their eyes when they shine the light. 1050 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,440 Let's make sure they're not blinded again to the corruption, 1051 00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,639 the killings, and the Falcone power grab. We start in 1052 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,119 the streets tonight at nine pm. We meet at the 1053 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,639 Metro outside Crown Point. Done and done. The revolution is 1054 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,920 just getting started, which is interesting. I don't think that's 1055 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,039 gonna happen in the show, but I will wonder if 1056 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,519 them being so specific with like a location and a 1057 00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:46,440 date and a time the show. I'm not sure, but 1058 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,599 I like that the Riddler's presence has still felt also, 1059 00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,320 it's still not that long, but there's multiple things like 1060 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,199 and that fits because like his character was like an 1061 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,480 online person that got people rawled up right, He's you 1062 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,599 know what we see a lot today in our culture. 1063 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,079 So really liking those aspects of where they're still being around. 1064 00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,599 And I'm not sure I knowing then we could get 1065 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,320 a QR code every episode. I'm I'm always down to 1066 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,239 see it they're cooking, you. 1067 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 4: Know, I mean complete agreeance with everything you said. I 1068 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,360 kind of alluded in the spoiler free section, but yeah, 1069 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,119 I just love that he is felt and I like 1070 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,840 that you how you uh highlighted there just the difference 1071 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,280 between the mobsters that like like, yeah, they're evil people, 1072 00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,079 but like they have somewhat of a code, whereas like 1073 00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,360 what the Riddler was doing, it seemed like I guess 1074 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,480 he had his own code for like what he was doing, 1075 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,840 but like it is just breaking down the whole system, right, 1076 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,360 like like crumbling the whole kingdom, whereas the mob doesn't 1077 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,719 want that to happen because they want they want to 1078 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,440 make money. They're in the business and making money and 1079 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,280 flooding everything is obviously bad for business. I mean, the 1080 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,159 falcones are pulling out right of the whole city. 1081 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,119 Speaker 2: So I really really like that. 1082 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,159 Speaker 4: And yeah, I just I love that moment on the 1083 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,559 train of like this fucking weirdo going up to out 1084 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,840 of any one like the penguin and you just like 1085 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,280 get the fuck out of my face. It's just so 1086 00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,599 done with these fucking weirdo's in their masks. 1087 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Any thoughts some Riddler or anything else 1088 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:13,480 on Riddler. 1089 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the QR code was pretty cool. 1090 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,000 I did not know, but I speculated that it was 1091 00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:21,519 going to have some kind of larger thing. I almost 1092 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,599 with my phone out to give it a scam, but 1093 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,400 I did not, So thank you for doing the dirty work. 1094 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: It's always someone on the internet. Yeah again, I personally 1095 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,079 did not. It's always somebody else that did it. So 1096 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,840 thank you to whoever that user was. 1097 00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's nice that the show so far 1098 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:41,719 as paying tribute to these already pre established storylines and characters, 1099 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,559 and so I think it was pretty neat the guy 1100 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,239 wearing kind of like a Riddler esque mask. And for 1101 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,519 some reason, when like jumping away from Riddler, when Penguin 1102 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,880 went to Blackgate, I for some reason was thinking like. 1103 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,679 Speaker 2: Oh, maybe you'd see a fall Dana. 1104 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 3: Well not, I was thinking, like we see like a 1105 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,440 Joker episode one. 1106 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not the case. He's like, I'm a 1107 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,039 semblated team. You to enjoin me. 1108 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's an arcam. I don't think he 1109 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,239 gets the Black too. 1110 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, because Black as Black e's like the lesser danger. 1111 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 2: Well comes like a mental asylum, right. 1112 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,280 Speaker 1: Yes, technically that's why people get out of it so 1113 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,119 easily because it's it's it's a it's not really a prison, 1114 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,400 but yeah it is a mental asylums. Be like, oh, 1115 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,199 this guy's six, so send them there, but it doesn't 1116 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,559 work on Black eight is more the official prison. 1117 00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they're familiar. 1118 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 4: Something else I wanted to shout out was, uh, Travis, 1119 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,480 he kind of brought it up, just like Penguin has 1120 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,719 somewhat of his own score. I thought like the music 1121 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,639 and score in general of this whole episode was so good. 1122 00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 2: The very specific. 1123 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,679 Speaker 1: Scored by Michael Gacchino's son Mike. There you go. 1124 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 2: Oh mg, there we go. 1125 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,159 Speaker 1: Nepotism at its finestinos. 1126 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 2: Four out of ten for this over this whole Yeah 1127 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,800 that no. 1128 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,199 Speaker 5: I I the. 1129 00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 4: I can't remember which specific moment it was, whether it 1130 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:14,519 was after the dinner, but Sophia like whispers in a 1131 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,199 penguin's ear, like you know, like like a lot of 1132 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,280 people underestimate you, but I I won't do that. 1133 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,199 Speaker 2: I know what you're capable. And then they like face 1134 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,519 down and there's no like music or anything. 1135 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 4: And then as soon as I don't know, they like 1136 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,679 say something and she just like stares right at him, 1137 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,599 and it has this like tense little like violin or 1138 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,440 something that just hits It's like a it's just so 1139 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,639 chilling that like like it like her look alone is 1140 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,320 able to just like violin. 1141 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: I think you're right, I said, Hillo, violin sounds more correct. 1142 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,119 Speaker 4: So like it's just really eerie though, like I think 1143 00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,000 her stare alone is like something that would like instill 1144 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,039 fearing him, but like adding on the violin is just 1145 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,920 like oh, like like goosebumps and really really really well placed. 1146 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:05,280 So yeah, shouts out to Mike. Yeah, nepotism. 1147 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,320 Speaker 1: Ye, shout out to nepotism. 1148 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 2: You know there's not enough on it, and yeah we 1149 00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:10,199 need more of it. 1150 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: Let's not let us break into it. 1151 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to know any unknowns. I only want 1152 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,360 big names. 1153 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. If there's not one nepotism high in this project, 1154 00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:26,400 it's a fan. I think that's it for me for specifics. 1155 00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,920 I think I'm trying to think there's anything else, But 1156 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,960 til you get anything, I think I. 1157 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 3: Can think of. 1158 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 4: I loved uh just the end, going back to Dolly 1159 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,639 part in ninety five when it's just like the end 1160 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,639 credits roll like as soon as I played, and like 1161 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,079 the episodees are it's like this is such a fucking 1162 00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,320 good time, like I cannot wait for next next week's 1163 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,280 episode now, And yeah. 1164 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: Good little moment there when he oz was being chased, 1165 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,039 and one when they showed the car with the door open. 1166 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:53,760 Even for my brain, I didn't know he was in 1167 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,280 the trumpet, like that's an odd like it was just 1168 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,159 odd of like the car being old. I don't know why, 1169 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,360 but just the most movies, just like the doors clothes, 1170 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,679 and when he popped the trunk, I liked that he 1171 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,519 had like whatever that knife hidden their device thing stab. 1172 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,800 The guy gets hit by a city school bus and 1173 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,000 Penguin just gets like his little like his little wave 1174 00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,079 to the kids and everything, like I get you. Some 1175 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,800 nice comedic moments, but still a very dark comedy obviously, 1176 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,159 or dark Meat goes and say it's a dark comedy, 1177 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,960 but yeah, I like that. And then he just I 1178 00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:25,480 liked that he didn't get away because when I was 1179 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,039 watching this, like Penguin's choking him, he's fighting me stabs, 1180 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:29,639 I'm like, oh, I guess Pekle's just gonna powers his 1181 00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,400 way out of this, but really he just like he 1182 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,239 outsmarted them for a second. And then he beat one guy, 1183 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,960 but then he still got caught. You know, like if 1184 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,599 he didn't have his backup plan of VIC and driving 1185 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,000 them everything like that, then it would be a situation 1186 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,000 where he'd be screwed. 1187 00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:43,679 Speaker 2: So I like that. 1188 00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,159 Speaker 1: Superman Mike ass thoughts on the relationship with his mom. 1189 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,039 We get the after cooking you need. 1190 00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 4: Something ad there just just super bad Mike's comment. Really 1191 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,960 that's too No, I'm glad. I'm glad he brought that 1192 00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:57,880 up because I like in in the moment, I never 1193 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,920 watched The Sopranos. Maybe that's a bucket list show. 1194 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: It is, for sure. 1195 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time, it's on Crave, like it's on Yeah, okay, 1196 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,760 there you go one day. I remember my parents watched 1197 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,159 it when it was live, But that seems like, fuck, 1198 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,119 twenty years you gotta be twenty years ago. 1199 00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: One thousand dollars per episode, it's that good, even if 1200 00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:16,679 you have craves. 1201 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,639 Speaker 4: Yeah okay, and then oh okay, damn, I would rewatch 1202 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,960 fucking Knuckles before that happened, and. 1203 00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:27,159 Speaker 2: Not the show. I kind of forgot about what the 1204 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,440 fuck was it? Just what am I doing here? Oh? Yeah, 1205 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,039 there you go? Relationship with his mom? 1206 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, no, I never watched the Sopranos, but I'm 1207 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,960 I really really just love the dynamic there because it's 1208 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:41,400 another I guess, humanizing trait to have him Penguin. It's like, yeah, 1209 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,119 everybody has a mom, and even the penguin has a mom. 1210 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,800 And I like, how initial Alberto, you know, like you 1211 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,199 got a woman in your life, Like he gives him 1212 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,800 that necklace for that purpose, and then the woman in 1213 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,679 his life is his mother and he gives it to her. 1214 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 2: There. I laugh so hard. 1215 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 4: She goes in the kitchen or the liver room whatever 1216 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,480 it is in Fixtious there, it's like, what the fuck 1217 00:55:58,519 --> 00:55:59,440 are you doing in my house? 1218 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,679 Speaker 2: Like she just instantly freaking out. 1219 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,519 Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious, but I was thought she 1220 00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,519 might be sick or something like that at first, as 1221 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,440 I go, does she have dementia something? Because she was 1222 00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:13,960 acting like pretty oft and everything. But yeah, I like it. 1223 00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,559 It's funny because like in Gotham, Penguin had like an 1224 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880 interesting relationship with his mother as well, so it seems 1225 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,800 to be a recurring thing with Penguin that he has 1226 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,440 like the TV show Gotham. 1227 00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's like. 1228 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: That's younger, that's not a bucket list one. Now that 1229 00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,719 that's only if you're into some hardcore Batman stuff. But 1230 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,440 and you gotta watch just like a what if because 1231 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,440 it's it's all the villains, it's it's not the greatest. 1232 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,679 But as a Batman fan, ha, you know, scratched it 1233 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,199 in for a while, but yeah, no, I enjoyed it. 1234 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,679 I'm I'm curious the same thing with her status at 1235 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,840 the end of it. If she's a character, that's the 1236 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,559 one I could see more her taking the plunge of 1237 00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,199 losing character cares about then him killing Vic because there's 1238 00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:57,400 two of them and I just don't think both of 1239 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,440 them are going to make it to the Batman. Maybe 1240 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,360 you don't have to, maybe she just would be off screen, 1241 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,000 But no, I like that seems like from his light 1242 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,599 maybe just from the beginning as well, because it seems 1243 00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,599 like he has a couple of deformities that maybe she's 1244 00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:11,639 always had to talk him up and drama, but maybe 1245 00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:13,159 she does it too much, you know, to the point 1246 00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:14,920 where she probably should be egging him on to like 1247 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,599 take over golf and like just he wants to get 1248 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:18,840 out of there and be alive, but she say, no, 1249 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,519 this is your city. It's like, well, he really has 1250 00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:22,840 no stake to it right now, but he could make 1251 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,480 the play for it, but that leads to some dangerous decisions. 1252 00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,519 So I think there could be some more fun scenes 1253 00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,920 with the moum. So I did like that dynamic. 1254 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 2: Cool. 1255 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,159 Speaker 1: Taya thought it was a cool dynamic. Ta is ready 1256 00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,920 to ready to call it anything else for this show, 1257 00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:44,800 not for me. All right, then we'll call it there. 1258 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,719 We'll be back in ten days because these are switching 1259 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,440 to Sundays now, so back to our Sunday hbo Quave reviews. 1260 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,760 So we will be there reviewing every single episode Penguin, 1261 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,920 and it will not be boring.