Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Penguin Series review.
I guess it'd be serious review because this is this
is a mini series. There's not gonna be no season
two or whatnot. I am going back to the og
the Clown principal podcast trust now, and I'm joined by
not my table, Kirk.
Speaker 2: Compatzer uh Vic taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it took me a second lot of stuff
going on, so like Vic, but yes, we are here
to talk about something that's been long. I guess I
could say long. Wait. I don't know. I think it's
just been me long waited to get back into this world. True,
it's not the sequel that happened, you know, the first
movie happened two years ago now. But here we are.
We getting a little piece of the Batman universe. We're
back with the Penguin. We'll be here every week when
that happens. So if you you know you are new
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We cover a lot right now, we're covering Rings of Power,
We're covering Agatha, lots of stuff going on. It's gonna
be a busy fall, but it should be a fun fall.
Is Penguin fun? I don't know. So I'm gonna give
it to the raw dog in himself, Taylor Field, to
start us off, what did you think of this first
episode of Penguin non spoilers, of course.
Speaker 3: I liked it a lot more than I thought I
was going to like it. I was going, you know,
when the show was first announced and we're seeing a
little bits here and there, I wasn't sure where I
was on it. Seeing some trailers, I got more.
Speaker 2: Engaged with it.
Speaker 3: But then actually watching this first episode, it's dark, it's gritty,
but it has this weird underline, just addicting kind of
aesthetic to it where I've really just I could not
turn my head for a second. I had to see
what was going on, and it's just for the most time,
it's a lot not a spoiler, but it's a lot
of just you know, cobble Pot just you know, moving
around doing his thing, and it's interesting walling around. Yeah,
it's interesting seeing that with also just how disgusting and
just shitty Gotham looks. It's how like, well, this world
that they set up here with feature in Gotham. It's
really engaging and you can appreciate the level of detail
they've added in. It's just it's a it's an addictive
set piece in world that I just really want to
see more of. And I really like the story that
they're setting up here a lot more than I thought
I would. I wasn't sure how, you know, a show
obviously devoid of Batman. It's focusing on crime syndicates and
underworld stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It just had a lot.
Speaker 3: Going on and there was just some very tense moments
that I can really appreciating this show so far. And yeah,
I think that they did a really really good job,
and I'm really looking forward to the second episode, which sorry,
is that this Sunday or next Sunday?
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the week's episode. Okay, cool, patser me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was this was what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 1: Moment? There?
Speaker 2: The funk am I doing here? I know what I'm
doing here?
Speaker 4: This was probably like definitely up there for my most
anticipating Yeah, that was me watching this show. That That's
how excited it was. I threw my glasses on. I
had to get totally into it. Yeah, much much anticipated.
I I did have really I don't want to say
like super high expectations, but like I feel like.
Speaker 2: I had up there expectations.
Speaker 4: I was expecting caliber of of just to be taken
into that that Gotham world that you know we visited
from Matt Reeves Batman, and I I just wanted world
and like some more great Colin Ferrell st I feel like,
at the very least, I just I wanted that stuff
to be really good of the feel of Gotham and
Colin Farrell's Penguin because I just adored him in the
bat you know, we we love his his gift usage
here on that I don't even know that if it's
a gift, but it's it's just a little video clip
that we like to pull up. I don't have it ready,
but I'm sure someone come on.
Speaker 2: It's just so fantastic.
Speaker 1: I feel like we the discord was definitely round before
the Batman, but that became one of the first like
geek first discord means was people dropping that one because
that's yeah, and that's led to lots of laughter over
the years.
Speaker 4: So absolutely and man like like throwing the show on
and like from starting to finish, it's an hour six minutes,
which which was a nice puzzant surprise.
Speaker 2: I was worried it's gonna be like thirty five minutes
or something.
Speaker 1: When I saw an hour and I'm like, oh my god,
that just feels so good. It's so funny because sometimes
the movies by like, oh, three hours something like that,
but just like with com book shows, we've been so
accustomed to like, oh, thirty two minutes or start like oh,
three two minutes. It was so nice, like a full
like thank god.
Speaker 4: You know, and and like watching the like this episode,
I don't know if it's like I don't know if
it's gonna sound hyperbolezed, I I really feel like this
is accurate. This show made me realize of just maybe
how much lesser shows have been in in the in
in in the last little while. Like I feel like
going through I don't know whether it be like season
two of House the Dragon, like I did like some
stuff in there, but like to the most part, like
it was nowhere near like peak moments that I think
that show has been, like just just the season.
Speaker 2: Overall, uh, some other shows for sure.
Speaker 4: And and I just think this one episode did such
a great job at like you know, world building, like
the world was built in the Batman movie. But I
think just expanding upon it further the relationships that that
Oswald has in here with with just the characters that
were interested, like brand new characters that were introduced in
this episode. I'm just so much more intrigued in, like
like another show comparison, that's right, not like Aggtu for example,
Like I I did really like those first two episodes,
but I still feel like watching this right here, it's like, man,
this is already getting me so much more intrigued in
all these characters that were introduced like in this one
episode as opposed to just just how other shows have
done in the past, and like, what a fucking stellar
episode one. It took me a little while to say that,
but like this was this is fucking ten out of
ten first episode for me. I oh wait, calm down,
I'm ranking the whole fucking series right now, even if
it goes multiple seasons. No, I I love his so much.
Colin Ferrell is firing on all cylinders. He seems like
he is just Cobblepot from that movie. Like it doesn't
seem like it's it's an actor that like came back
to portray the role and he's like slightly different. Like
it just feels it's still hard for me to see
Colin Farrell, uh you know, behind the prosthetics that they
have on him, but like like he just feels like
Penguin and I they're doing such a great job at
making him more than just like an asshole criminal boss.
Speaker 2: I do like the little.
Speaker 4: Humanizing aspect that they are doing for him. But it's
not like they're just trying to make him like the
hero of the story. Like he is still grimy, he
is still doing bad guy things, and oh, I just
I love all like the just the crime syndicate things
that are going on of just like playing the like
other bad guys or just like the system in general,
like like like Penguin is just I love the way
that he's able to play character and think on his feet,
Like multiple times in this episode, he really just has
to like lie out of his ass in the moment,
and I just feel like he's always performing to be
playing people and he's doing such a good job for that.
I yeah, I'm really intrigued what's going on. This is
like I'm so hyped for next week, you know, I
wish that we're gonna episode two this Sunday already. I'm
just so hyped on the show. And I didn't rewatch
Batman going into it. I feel like it's been I
don't know a year or so since since I rewatched it,
But just watch it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, I got it.
Speaker 4: I gotta get back in there, and I there is
some things I feel like I'll have to because you
must have just watched this, Travis the Batman. Yeah, I
feel like I'll have some questions on maybe just what
happened between like like certain characters, because I can't quite
remember everything that was going on there.
Speaker 1: But not twice a year. Watch currently right now, I
think Maddie still has me beat for overall views because
I think he saw in the theater more than me.
But it's always I leave it for It's tough. I
either leave it for the fall or July because I
like to watch the Nolan Batman movies in the summer,
and then there's just the odd time that there's It's
just it's a vibe movie, especially those days where it's raining.
You got that munky weather, like, oh, I think Passing's
out there somewhere.
Speaker 2: You going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, anytime something in the way he hits on
the gym places like, oh, man, I want to be
here in Passing. It's October thirty first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so fuck. I love this show right now. And
uh really hope it doesn't dive down from that because
that'll that'll hurt. That'll hurt if the quality goes way
out the window. But I believe that it will stay
on par like they're doing such a good job with it.
Speaker 2: I'm loving paul I forget her name, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Christy something ye Falcons or are you talking
about real daughter or her character's name? Character name Sophia Falcon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So whatever the actress is, I've seen her in a
handful of things like Palm Springs with Yeah, it wasn't bad,
and then She's how I Met your Mother. I didn't
really like love the character, so like unfortunately I didn't
get to really see layers of her acting.
Speaker 1: But she killed her.
Speaker 2: What a way to end that show. Let's not talk
about that.
Speaker 4: But I I just I'm so like like chilling performance,
Like like she is able to totally instill fear I
think with with.
Speaker 2: Just her ambulance on screen, and she.
Speaker 4: Feels like a psycho bitch killer, like I'm killing you know.
I don't know exactly what she did to get into Arkham,
but I'm sure she deserves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, The Hangman, but two thumbs off. God damn, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I echo all the things as people if
they don't know, if you're just tuning in, yeah, the Batman.
I need to give it some time. But on the review,
I said, oh, it's could be my favorite movie all time.
That's The Dark Knight. But it's it's up there, and
I have a moral dilemma for the rest of my
life because I love those movies kind of equally but
for different reasons. And but what I love is the
world and luckily they've carried that over and for the
most part, I'd say like eighty five percent of it,
it looks very similar to the film, has that vibe.
There's the odd time, like there's this mansion they go
to and they just drove by like almost like some farms,
and I was like, well, that doesn't feel like Gotham,
Like there's just like a there's a few times whereas
a few areas just because it's TV or just they
don't have the exact same cameras. It was like, okay,
it's not as like completely fine tuned, but it has
the majority of the aura. And it's funny, we just
did a Guessa and it's to a different degree because
he has to do a lot more because just the
episodes are longer. But same thing of like, even if
this show ends up being like going down in quality,
which I really don't think, so I'm not worried because
this thing was made as like a mini series, right
where sometimes the MCU stuff does that, but and evens
Star Wars. But it's like in this weird in between
where it's like, well, we could do another obi Wan,
but this is where it is. But we could like,
I think this is distinctly made for Okay, we're gonna
give him eight episodes, We're gonna give him a little arc,
and this is how he's gonna get from point A
to point B. Two the Batman too, and this is
where he is. And I think it's gonna be the
same thing like we talked about in Agatha, where you
don't really need to watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier
to realize, Oh, Sam's gonna be cap same thing. Like
I don't think you're gonna have to watch just to
be like, oh, like, how did penguin get so much
more powerful? It's just like, well, no, he made some
moves on the side, right. But I think what I
like is there's at times I was worried and I've
still got some questions about the vic character, but there's
I don't want them to humanize him too much. I
think there should be aspects that he is humanized. But
I think there's great potential, like and people compared to sopranos,
like in that vein of being HBO and everything, but
the more vein of you can follow a bad character
and still have a good show. That to me, that's
like and I don't think everyone believes it, but some
people have that sentiment of like, you have to your
main character it has to be a good person. There
has to be I can't remember what the the book
is that there's some book in screenwriting that was very
popular about a decade ago, and it's like it's something
something Dog, and it's like, you have to do have
your main character do something in the first act to
really like show the viewers why they're a good person.
I don't need that. From the show called The Penguin,
I can see like motivations and why he might feel
he's better than other people. And there's even some things
he does in this show where it's like, Okay, he's
trying to, you know, maybe not be as bad as
somebody else, but not in the sense of like he's
still murdering people. He's still hurting people, just like in
his like distorted point of view of well, I'm not
as bad as that guy, or you know, I'm not
as bad as a falcon, but it's like, no, you are.
You're just like a different layer. And he still knows
he's selfish. So that's I mean, like the good guy
is and are very minor, and that's what I like.
You still gonna have it like a little bit because
he's your main character. But yeah, the actress playing Sophia,
she's doing a great job. I'm very, very curious what
they're gonna do with her character. I think so far
they got like a lot of fun allusions to Batman
lore and even just the Batman and maybe the Batman two.
But at the same time, it doesn't feel like it's
like beating over the head. It didn't feel like it's
like you're gonna have to fall X, Y and Z
and good soundtracks so far, lots of good cineatography going on.
I hope it feels like they have like a kind
of a score theme for the Penguin. I don't know
what instrument is. It kind of felt like a cello
or something. I don't know. I'm not an instrument I'm
not a music guy, so I don't know what sound
makes everything for the most part, but I hope that
theme carries over into the movie. So yeah, as of
right now, for a first start, i'm happy it's week
to week. I'm especially happy for the podcasting. A little
great fun discussion. But this was a show where I
was like, oh I could. I'm jealous of the people
that have because there's reviewers that have all these episodes
like man I am jel Zach, because I like, I
want to see this start to finish. I think they
got the The best thing is other than Callan Farrow
is they got like what terrors about the vibe of
Matt Reeves Gotham Because Matt Reeves Gotham's like very different.
It's like like they're all, you know, broken in a sense,
but his is like a very grimy, gross type of
just it feels like most Gothams so this way, but
you don't want to be there, Like no One's Gotham
is just it's just Chicago. It's a big city, right.
I don't think we've ever gotten to spend enough time
in Affleck's Gotham to get a sense from it. The
Burden era. It's like a very comic bookie art deco,
Like it's very over the top. It doesn't look like
this world and Jokers is like a crime written one
that that's something where it Jokers Gotham is a character itself,
but it doesn't feel like Matt Reeves Gotham, which is
good as it's such a distinct characteration of that city.
So yeah, no, I've I'm very I'm not surprised, really,
like I think I would have been more surprised if
can this view, Like, man, what did they do? They
really dropped the ball here, But I think all the
pieces they set up, I'm very excited to see where
we go forward. And yeah, Colin Farrow is just he's killed, man.
He is this character. It's just like not even just
the makeup, even if he had the makeup off, the
way he moves, the little mannerisms like one time he's
talking like uh a South term Maroni and he's just
like he's like moving his eyes while he talks. And
it's just like little ticks that he gives, whether it's
his idea Reeves or the other crew, just little ticks
they give. Oswald is just great. It's distinguished him. So
I'm I'm I think this is gonna had a lot
of fun, but it's going to be a very great
uh eight seven weeks here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel like, you know, we've been we've
been doing this podcast thing for a long time now,
and just just now, like I feel like it still
surprises me when I see like great acting just stand
out amongst like like we watch a lot of content.
We've seen a lot of actors perform great and not great.
And even just like watching the show when like like
minor spoilers Clancy Brown, like the conversation that Clancy Brown
has with the penguin here, I'm just thinking, like, man,
Clancy Brown, Like.
Speaker 2: He I love Klans Brown.
Speaker 4: He's fantastic, but like he's just he's looking like Clancy
Brown in the scene and then he's just like across
the table from fucking Colin Farrell, wearing all.
Speaker 2: This like heavy jewelry.
Speaker 4: He's got gold teeth, a fake scar, like this big chin,
and like he's just he feels like a different creature.
Like he feels like a completely different human being. Uh
that is Oswald Cobb.
Speaker 2: And uh you know like like like like.
Speaker 4: Clanson Brown is fantastic, but it's like, okay, Clancy Brown
is playing this character so and and yeah, as you
shouted out, like just the little manner is like like
the way that he does a little cough for like
like just just everything, like the way he's grunting waddling
around like he just I don't know, he's just living, breathing,
uh as cob here and and he's just yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Certain predictions episode.
Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh last thing I wanted to say too before we
jump in spoilers, But I feel like they also did
a really good job of just feeling like this is
this is like right after the events of The Batman,
like like the effects literally literally.
Speaker 1: Like the first shot is of Penguin, Like the movie
ends with Penguins standing in his office watching over Gotham,
and that's the first shot of this show. Is yeah,
Penguin in that exact same spot, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and like the effect of the Riddler's still out
there like like like that is really clear, and I
I love it, you know, it's it's it's not like
this feels like a completely like different journey that's not
attached to the regular canon or something like that.
Speaker 1: M hm. So we're gonna get into spoilers and uh yeah,
so you haven't seen the episode, come back later on
if not, we're gonna break it all down. So we'll
be right back. We're back, Taylor, where did you want
to go first?
Speaker 3: You know, I would like to start with him probably
getting probably getting Vic actually a part of his little crew,
because I was not expecting that. We can probably no,
like you.
Speaker 1: Definitely talked about on the podcast That's Okay about.
Speaker 3: Him getting like his little like Vic Apprentice and the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was one of my worries. I was like,
I don't know if I need a kid criminal character.
And I'm I'm liking it so far, but I you know,
my worries I think are gone because I think I
saw how much screen time he got. But I was worried,
especially in the first fifteen minutes of this episode, like
when they're sitting by the fire and and I'm like, man,
is this whole episode gonna be like Oswald and Vic?
And like I don't need that, but if it's this
type of screen time, But yeah, we definitely talked about this.
Speaker 3: So I am loving the big character. I could only
imagine how terrifying that would be because you're already breaking
the law and stealing this guy's rims and then he
comes out in a purple plum suit that matches his
car and he's shooting guns off at you, like it's
it's absolutely terrifying. Drops a body too, mind you while
he's chasing you down with his gun and now you're
working for him. But the whole dynamic of a Vic
just kind of being very cautious but still smiling. Like
I enjoyed it when the Dolly parton nine to five
came on in Penguin's car and Vic starts to smile
to himself. So there's a few just little things like
that that I can really appreciate. But yeah, I'm I
have a hunch that Vic is gonna get killed at
the end of this season. No you do, Yeah, how
does he die? I think he'll get murdered as an example.
I don't think Cobbo Pot will kill him. I think
that'll be really the case.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not upset. I think cal Pot's gonna
be one.
Speaker 3: Does it really because Vick will betray him or.
Speaker 1: Some reason, just because I just feel like it's gonna
be the full circle moment where he Penguin was gonna
kill him and he decided against it. But I love that, like,
oh I love that sunset and Victor he's like, oh no, no,
look it's really nice, look at it. Don't do this.
But I I whether it's betrayal, whether it's just he
has to make a moved to be because because at
the end of day, he's supposed to be a villain.
So with Sophia saying like, you'll say any story, even
if it costs someone's life, You'll say a story. I
think Vic will meet his demise because of went there
could be a chance that someone kills them as like
a message to Penguin. But then I just worry again,
stay on the fucking streets and get pickles. You know, like,
couldn't imagine that they do the whole movie. You don't
kill a single person, but in the TV shows he's
murdering everybody. But no, I just feel like, because at
the end of the day, if they have Vic get
killed and I'm gonna get revenge from my friend, you
might teeter too much into like a hero type of vibes.
I feel like Oz is gonna something will happen in
Oz will give him the big heave ho sadly for Vic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm kind of
a bill on Vic Victor. Uh like yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: We're not moving on this review to you.
Speaker 2: I do I do like the character of Vic.
Speaker 4: I I like I like when Cobb is like getting
one on one with him of like like lived in that.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, he's just he's just getting personal
with him.
Speaker 4: It's very much like he is that old style gangster,
you know that he told in that in that story
that he's trying to be that that big brother type
guy for him, especially that they kind of came from
the same neighborhood. Like just getting that one on one.
I didn't love how they like met of just this
guy like has his like buddies that that they're like
doing missions with and then he just gets like captured
by cobble Putt and like does he just never talk
to those guys ever again? Of like dude, what the
fuck happened? Like Buddy died, you know.
Speaker 2: Because he was looking for you, and like like even
one of his.
Speaker 1: Friends is dead later on the episode.
Speaker 2: Well I don't know if that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Colleagues is dead, you know, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I would imagine that they were at
least somewhat friends. Like even if Vic did lose his
family and like was on his own, it still seems
like he had at least a crew that he's running with.
So I just feel like there it would be a
tie to them, like uh, and maybe next episod So
like he does interact with those guys and they are
asking kind of what's going on, but like as of
right now, it yeah, like like it seems it seems
like right now he just is not gonna have any
ties with them, and he's just like completely with with
uh with Osle Ray and so like that felt a
little bit clunky to me, but after that point, like
I still like them together. So yeah, I just think
it could have been I don't know, like like you
don't like, I think you could have just done the
stealing of the rims scene differently, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's being nitpicky. Like I still loved it overall.
Speaker 1: I agree to a point where it's just, you know,
big moment with Alberto Falcone kills him dragging his body
out shoots. He goes, hey, you don't want to come
with me? Like I yeah, that he needs help, but
it's also like a very sense of situation, and I
also get that he's still gonna kill him after. But
I just think that it felt like, how do we
get these characters connected? Well, it's just gonna be happening
while he takes his body to the trunk and like
it works well enough, but it just feels for such
a big steaks thing. I just feel like Oz would
maybe just want to keep that a bit quieter or
maybe I don't know, Like I just feel like at
that point, like I'm just doing this myself. I don't
want to risk anything this guy because what happens for
some reason, this guy like fucking Penguin can't run as
we saw in this episode, his foot fuck is fucked up, man,
his toes and everything and all looking good. So like
I just think, like, if there's a chance, if it
gets away and he ties you, uh, Like, I just
think there it was odd in that moment to take
out the new like King of Gotham and then also
just bring someone new to the crew. I thought it's
like maybe uncharacteristic. And I guess I kind of same
thing I was wondering too, like would this penguin keep
a young guy, you know as this kind of lackey
you know, buddy whatever. And I guess it's just he
sees a bit of himself in him because he also
came from nothing. So I liked I think that stuff
with the mother reinforced later on why he would do that.
But at first I was like, I don't know if
I even buy Penguin having a proje. This just feels
like we need a character that's the eyes of the world.
But then I think they they did strain a law
or they did so together.
Speaker 4: Would you preferred him just like being on his own though,
and like just having an inner dialogue with it, Like
I still feel like you need someone in those scene
like when they're in the car going places, Like I
like that he was able to at least dialogue off
of him, even though you know, Vick's just like stuttering
and isn't really saying a lot, like you just still
have I don't know it just it.
Speaker 2: Just seems cleaner, I think to.
Speaker 4: Have cot like like to be able to have Colin
Ferrell just act in the car like bouncing off of someone,
Like I like that more than him just in his
head like what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Am I gonna do now?
Speaker 4: Like like thinking about these things I do, like the
one on one and yeah, I just also like the
little moments of when he is just like, yeah, let's
just enjoy this this sunrise, like you ever had a cigar?
I am completely convinced that he actually was gonna kill him,
and I think someone that's in that moment until he
did say something. But yeah, the pickles. The pickles line. Fuck,
he's like, I asked for more pickles, they gave me two.
What the fuck does that me? He's just so good.
Speaker 1: God, damn, can't believe your chat CHIVT pickles, like got
tied into this.
Speaker 2: You know they've seen all the episodes.
Speaker 1: Clear, Yeah, everyone go check out their predictions and everything.
So to answer the like, would I prefer it? I
have to see the whole show, because one, I just
gotta hopefully like VIC is used well and everybody comes
like overbearing because sometimes the younger characters, I don't know
you can go that way. And then to two, I also
just have to see that is there not a version
of this movie or the show that it couldn't have
just been like a bodyguard that he already has, right,
Like he kills Falcone and then he shoots him, says, hey,
I need your help, and that's it. So that's what we'll.
I'll I can't judge until I've seen all the episodes
because you could still have him in the car, which
I like when he got all this stuff of the phony.
He just takes his gun and he's like breaking the
phone beside me. He's like, look at that. He's like.
It's just like it's like what an odd little you know,
a little man. He's actually big. The makeup and the
prost texts they put on him, the make or the body.
Speaker 2: Has no shirt on. At the end, it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have to wait and see till it's
all done. Uh if I would have preferred just like
a bodyguard, because I think you're right that you need
you probably need somebody there with him to bounce off.
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I like, I'm.
Speaker 4: Not going to disagree with anything you said there, but
I just feel like to defend Vic's like the importance
of having that.
Speaker 2: Character as opposed to a bodyguard is.
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's so much more interesting having
someone that could have been in a similar position that
that penguin was as a wee young lad, maybe ripping
rims off of you know, gangsters as a little kid.
And like he's also showing like use right, Like like
he he runs like I'm assuming, yeah, he lays the
what the fuck are they called it? Like the brick
on the gas pedal to go to the the family's
house there to like actually get the reveal that Alberto
is dead, like like like he did do that play
for it, Like I don't know, it's just like it's
one thing to just have it's funny. I'm just thinking
a Bagatha netlight like to.
Speaker 2: Have a new young character like coming to the show.
Speaker 1: To interact with similar actually to.
Speaker 2: Like interact with our character.
Speaker 4: But it just seems like already Vic is like a
real key player to like helping out Penguin more so
than just what a bodyguard would be to actually just
remove a body or something like that. Like I'm just
more intrigued to see how far he's gonna go maybe
and how evil he becomes as like a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it gives more of a reason to be invested,
right because it's not just like another guy, because like
it's not just another bodyguard that could flip and be
with a different crime organization. This is gonna be the
guy that gave him a chance. You know, Penguin gave
Vick a chance could have killed them, so there could
be And again, I think it will hurt more when
Vic does I imagine turn or do something. I'm not
sure what they'll string along, but I don't think he's
gonna make it to The Batman Part two, unfortunately for Vic.
But who knows. You never know. Maybe he'll just have
to be his lack on the side, but I don't
think so.
Speaker 2: He's the main villain of The Batman too.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, this isn't like a comic book
character or anything like like no big ties.
Speaker 1: To not as of yet, like Penguin doesn't have like
some kid mentor. But because I know I saw people
meming about that it's gonna be mister Freeze because Victor Freeze.
So I don't think that's gonna be the case. But uh,
as of right now, with the information we have, it's
not like an Agatha situation where it's like, oh, look
out this young person. It's somebody you know.
Speaker 2: I got spoiled on that today. I know all about Oh.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, we're all spoiled that because I spoil out
for Dylan Taylor a couple of nights ago on Agatha,
who teen is So yeah, I didn't think that would last.
It would last too long on the Wanda Vision era.
Speaker 4: So's so funny because like I won't spoil it now,
hopefully not. But like, like the little thing that I
saw too, it's like teen is not this character, it's
this character, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: What the kind of article is that? Like, why would
I ever want to know that information?
Speaker 1: Fuck sakes bum that's gonna next week? Vic is this character,
but he's really this character is mister Freeze. He's there,
he's saying in there, Yeah, are you happy with the
al so you think he's you said, he's probably gonna
die by somebody else, But are you happy with just
the Vicky character right now?
Speaker 5: The Vicky character Vicky Vic Okay, I I was thinking
of like Vicky from what's her name first Batman, Vicky Veil,
Vicky Veil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I don't know Vicky Vale in here?
Speaker 2: Uh, But no, I think the Vic.
Speaker 3: Character, like he's he's more engaging and intriguing than.
Speaker 2: I was expecting him to be.
Speaker 3: And I think, like you said, you worry, like, oh,
it's just gonna be kind of like a pylon tag
and along and be kind of boring or bland, but
a pylon. He's he's doing a good job of being
that gateway into this world and show for the viewer
because he keeps asking, like like Oswald.
Speaker 2: Like where are we going, what's next? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: And he's asking questions and these are the kind of
things that you as the viewer, you're going to be
wondering and you're gonna be pitch and so it's nice
that they kind of have this character learning the world
as he goes along.
Speaker 2: Like we are.
Speaker 3: So I like that. And yeah, he's just his quick involvement.
Like you already said that, there's probably little bits of
history and in that cobble Pot probably sees and sees
in himself a little bit, So it makes sense why
he would kind of recruit him and pull him in.
But at the same time, it was definitely rushed, But
I like seeing how he was being able to be
a part of cobble Pot's kind of history and past
here where he goes to his apartment, sees like some
photos and then he gets to go to his actual
mum's house and see see that dynamic. So he he
seems like a nice kid. But then at the same time,
like for doing these things, it's probably gonna like transition
and change. I loved when he was actually the architect
of that plan, and he ended up just cutting the
finger off. He couldn't do it, couldn't cut the neck off, and.
Speaker 2: Couldn't I tried doing it for the gonna do from
the back, It's.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, yeah, so I'm I'm liking a character a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super Bank points out could be a better chance
of being Victor says that my mind went to that
when he said Victor. But then I realized, like, okay, right,
they have this those scars. Yeah, every time he kills
somebody cuts a cuts himself, but only in city. Yeah,
maybe that'll be the moment Vick will take off his
shirt and he has all these scars and Fenglin's like,
wha god, what do you show me? And then here
for you Osle.
Speaker 2: Then he shows his tone and then Victory's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, yeah, so we got that. Uh so Albert.
It's so funny because a couple a couple of I'm
losing track of time, but last week I can't remember
if it's a writer Matt reeves where they asked him,
because so few have al cones in this and they have.
The falcones have big ties to the long Halloween story
and dark Victory at sequel and Alberto big big character
in Long Halloween. So I'm sure some interviewer asked, I'm like, oh,
you appening them, and so oh yeah, no, we're not
adapting that. There's some elements, but we're not adapting that.
And I definitely aren't. As Alberto had one scene and
fucking he's gone. So I not that I thought they're
gonna go I'm not gonna spoil it because one day
we will read that combook, but not that I thought
they're gonna go the route of what happens with Alberto
and Long Halloween. But it was funny that they're setting
him up to be this new big king. And I
this is again where having Ozby very manipulative, that this guy,
you know, former or recovering addict, you know, trying his
trying his best to say off the sauce. They have
to drops he right away to try to get his way,
is trying to get him liquored up, and he takes
the drums say ah, yeah that's good. Like he's just
he's such an enabler. But and even like he I
love the way Pharrell plays it that when he's in
his like the safe and he's getting all the jewels
and the foes and everything like that second like, oh yeah,
I want to stop buying this is for you, and
like he like just be friends Alberto so fast in
a way where we're like okay, like not that we
believe it, but you think he's gonna stick with us
for a little while. And then you know, the conversation
doesn't go good and Penguin shoots him, which at one
moment I thought, all, this is a dream sequence. He
didn't actually shoot him, and then when he like it,
just kept playings like oh nice, like it it's actually happening.
We get this great scene where he's gonna take him
down the stairs, but he actually just decides to chuck
his body down the stairs. So I liked everything, and
I liked the whole conversation because we told about the
trailers right of him talking about that parade and oh
like how they respected him and he wants to be
like an old school type of gangster, where Alberto clearly
didn't want that or just thought if Oswald wanted that,
then it's good to kill him. So I liked that
the whole scene and situation. I think they were smart
to have that because you're killing a you know, big
character by name, because all they've done so far she say, oh,
he's gonna be the new king of Gotham or crime
syndicates or whatnot. So Penguin killing him right away, you
feel like, Okay, the stakes have been raised. So I
liked everything they did there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I I love that sequence so much. It
was it was like a like a shock moment for sure,
when he shot him. I was because I don't know,
I I kind of just didn't really think about like
how big of a family like Falcone could have had,
so like when he was strettinged into the the Iceberg
lounge there, I'm just like, oh, this is just very
clearly the new kingpin of Gotham here. But they did
a good job of just making it like it's a
lot more of an established business, you know that that
is going on, not just because Carmine is dead or sorry,
just because Carmine is dead doesn't mean that like you know,
like it's just an open seat like it like there
is a lot of moving factors at play. It is
a well oiled machine that I just love that moment,
and like, yeah, Alberta's just like laughing in his face
and like demoralizing him, and it already seemed like like
Cobb was like playing him like like a fiddle, just
like fanning the flames of his ego, right like, oh no,
like that's all Like he just seems like he's he's
he's every right answer to like what Alberto would be, Uh,
get me off of there. He like you had a
ghost find you or something.
Speaker 1: Check you're like calibrimborm and uh.
Speaker 4: Uh like like I don't know, he's just saying everything right,
and then Alberto just said one too many things to
him and he just you just couldn't handle anymore, and
like he's a fucking hard motherfucker and he just pulls
out his gun and shoots him right there, and he
just laughs in his face with his like crooked golden
teeth and then he's like.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, and then he has to get the fucking
bag on him.
Speaker 1: Well, it was so weird because he like the last
lines before the penguin drop, he's like oh and then
it cut off, so it's like, Okay, they're not gonna
do and then after that the rest of show proceeds
like characters dropping f bombs like the boob in here
I missed the boob.
Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, when they're walking and the ladies comes, Yeah,
he's going for his albi.
Speaker 4: And then there's a couple of ladies of the night
on the street and then Vic looks back and then
one of them is like like what you see and
then gives.
Speaker 1: A little I know, I don't know how I missed
that a repeater. That's what I'm doing right now after this.
I'm gonna pull it up right now. But yeah, I
was surprised actually how hard they went with a R.
And I'm not saying they didn't need to, because like
his HBO, I don't think they need to. I still
think you take all the swear words everything I would
have liked to show. But I was like, Okay, they're
not dropping f bombs. But then yeah, lots of f
bombs in the show and everything. Soh let's see. We
talked about Vic, we talked about Yeah, they got the albi,
and then I'm curious what this new drug is gonna be.
If it's gonna be anything that is Batman two related,
or is it literally just gonna be like a new
type of drug, because it feels like, you know, with
drops and everything, they got that going well, and I
guess the setup of this is he gets the phone,
he looks at the ship bent and before I'll borrow
somehow it's gonna revolution and eyes the drug business. But
the Falcone family does not. They want to pull out
of Gotham because these uh the oh god, what's the
word floods but obviously not really a flood terrorist attack,
but sild the floods.
Speaker 4: When he has that meeting too or sorry earlier on,
when when he's at like the actual facility, guys like, yeah,
we like, you know, thirty percent was recovered or like
saved from the for the floods.
Speaker 2: And the when he has the meeting later on, he's like,
seventy percent was.
Speaker 1: Saved millions of dollars. Yeah, he's just such a great liar.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they bullshitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so good. They tell him that he's gonna
have to shut down the operations, and uh, I like
to when he made them this whole pitch and right
before you're about to leave, he's like, so we're good,
we're gonna do what I plan. And then he's like
just shut it down and go like like whatever he
said they didn't want, and then we meet Sofia Falcon, who, yeah,
she is in the comics, knowe is the hang Man.
She's uh, there's a murder mystery that obviously not that'd
be a big spoil because if were read the combook,
they'd be talking about the Hangman. And so I like
that she went there, she went to Arkham. She's rehabilitated, supposedly,
but already I think by the end of this episode
we see not so much. I think it's just the
case of having a rich family that can pull some
strings and everything, and she That's why I love that
we have a character like Penguin, who I still consider
a villain doing evil things, a bad guy, but we
have someone that might be like an even badder guy
in Sofia Valcone, and I love, absolutely loved that she
can almost like and they've almost insinuated that they've known
each other for a long time. They insinuated a lot
of stuff they know in Chad for a long time.
They insinuate that Penguin might have been had a hand
in getting her set up in Arkham, because oh, I'm
sorry that I had to tell your dad, Like that's
very intriguing, Like what did Penguin, why did he go
to Carmine, did you just think she was out of control?
Like who knows? I love that she right away could
smell like his kind of bullshit. She set him up
where she made him answer all these questions and then
after the fact gave him the whole Oh well, my
brother said he was going there, and my brother didn't
tell me that you knew about the shipment, so just
made him look like an idiot. And it's just like
the dinner or whatever, lunch is like just a great
like battle of with them trying to outsmart each other
with lies. And I was just like, Sofia, she's like
stuffing her face because she's been like locked him arking
for we don't know how long, but I'll say maybe
at least some months, but a couple of years maybe even.
So everything about her introduction that character, even that end
scene when they had the fiber wire and Penguin's arm
and they're interrogating him, to the long point of me
just saying is like, I cannot wait till she finds
out that Penguin actually killed her brother. And I think
she's just gonna she's gonna, she's gonna blow a gasket.
Speaker 4: Sos Kristin Miliotis you know, she's fantastic. I love that
whole sequence of the lunch, even the meeting of the
family members. Who the chap I think he's I don't know.
I've seen him in so many different roles, the guy
that was like really adamant on shutting down everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's it like was he in The Batman?
Speaker 1: No? So I think he's just like a Falcone crime
family advise.
Speaker 2: So those photos that.
Speaker 4: Like Penguin finds they were of him, right, yes? And
then who does he send Like you know, he like
makes the envelope and it's like, let's work together or
let's be pals.
Speaker 2: Who is he sending that to?
Speaker 1: Oh, we don't know you. I don't know yet. I
would imagine someone on Maroney's.
Speaker 3: Side the photos they were going to counsel them in
something or rather, I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1: Oh so he's trying to buy playing Okay, Yeah, which
is gonna be interesting because I feel like I could
I want to know more of that story. I could
be wrong, but I feel like the mob, like someone
in the mob high ranking getting revealed that always like
maybe having an affair on his wife's Like I don't
think that's like a big thing, right, Like I feel like,
so I'm curious to see what more there is to
that story. Or maybe he's like high ranking because remember
we had in the Iceberg Lounge and the Batman, we
had a lot of politicians hanging out there, So maybe
he is a maybe Michael Kelly, that guy, he's a
political figure himself, like he's not supposed to be with
these mobsters. So I think there's more that's gonna happen,
and good thing is I know it's gonna be falled
up on.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I'm intrigued to see what because when
I first saw the photos, I thought it was like
a councilman in the full like the actual photo, And
then I was intrigued on because I took it like
Carmen Carmen Carmine like had that as leveraged for like
someone like, I don't know, the mayor or someone like
in the office so that he could just do his
power plays.
Speaker 2: And then the photo isn't actually of someone like that,
it's another member of the family. So I don't know.
I was just confused on what that was.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know where I was going with
that so if he has great Sophia, Yeah, oh yeah,
I was gonna just shout out again calin Ferrell's Penguin.
I love that scene when she questions him of like interesting,
I was meeting with my brother and we were talking
about this plan and like this is between us, and
like he doesn't even like skip a beat or sweat
in the moment or like at least reveals it that
he is nervous just right away. It's like man, like
he kept you in the dark too, Like he told
me that it was just me and him, like like
like he's just so smooth of just working on his
feet and and just bullshitting his way out of these situations.
And just calin Ferrell's performance was just fantastic and that
I really really liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Sophia and what's gonna happen with her
this season, Well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you guys highlighted it just a little bit earlier.
I was trying to figure out exactly why she was
locked up in Arkham, not just I assume it wasn't
just like a simple murder, but probably something else a
little bit more serious.
Speaker 1: No, she's probably like I don't think she operates away
because technically she's a but it would kind of almost
be on the serial killer if they pull from the
com books the hang Man, it's like a serial killer,
it's aweso. She's with the mob, so it's more like
mob killings. But still it's that like multiple victims. You know,
ba could jazz.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just she's an interesting character and I had
no idea what to expect from her in this show.
I don't know a lot about the Falconies and the
Maronis so but the names are definitely familiar. I'm pretty uh.
I was gonna say, yeah, they were all mentioned in
the Nolan trilogy. So all in all, I think she's
definitely been scary. She has that aesthetic and that vibe
that hey you're you know, we're friends, we're getting lunch
together yet YadA yea. And then she just turns on
a dime. And I thought that that scene where she was.
Speaker 2: Basically just with.
Speaker 3: Cobble plot in the restaurant and Oswald just totally takes
in what she was accusing him, or not accusing but implying,
and he just turned around into some crazy deal and
she's like, excuse me, and it just totally totally works out.
So I really liked how Oswald. Oswald did that. But yeah,
she's just she's terrifying and she's powerful, and yeah, she
she won't hesitate to execute you do.
Speaker 1: You think he was planning on killing her when he
invited her back to the club, because he's like, oh, you, oh,
take a look, see if everything's clean, like that'd be bold.
But I just thought like he was inviting her to
the club, and it's like, well, you know, that's how
I got wrong the thin.
Speaker 4: So I don't think so, because I think he was
really confident in his cleanup of it, so it's like, yeah,
we'll go there, and then she.
Speaker 2: Can be convinced that that's that.
Speaker 4: Because I also think that she if she's already sus
of him, I'm sure she's capable of taking him out
on her own, but I still feel like she would
have back up because.
Speaker 1: She is there by herself, like Alberto.
Speaker 4: But I took it like he was just really trying
to double down on his lie, like well, I know
it's clean, so yeah, let's go check it out, like
maybe we'll find him there, right, And.
Speaker 1: I did, like just little stuff where they're talking and
she's like, oh, the car and the purple like, oh no,
it's plump. I like that. It was just a minor
conversation and then til later on being like, well, that's
a problem with having a plumb car. Not many people
have that color. And that leads to like, you know,
all this guy says, which a great scene too of Okay,
this guy says, you know saw you at the club
the same night my brother went missing. You know, is
he lying? He's like, yeah, he's lying, and then she
just shoots him. We talked about earlier for her to
make a point saying like he would just say any
story to a sacrifice or he's willing to sacrifice a
life to just give credence to his story. But I
loved how just like sudden, that was not even like
a gunpoint to the guy. Just now, she just killed
that car robber, you know, hijack or whatnot. So again,
she's gonna be just as brutal as him. So I'm
I'm very she's doing a great job, and I'm interesting
there dynamic moving forward. So let's take her next ad
break and then we'll be right back. All right, we're back,
and then what I want to pull up. Is there
some no kirklanm did you have somewhere you want to go?
Speaker 2: That's fine, you go ahead, Okay, you.
Speaker 1: Can come back there after. But what I want to
pull up is all during this episode. I was gonna
say this one thing first, but during this episode lots
of Riddler illusions. They talk about how he's been arrested.
You see him on the news.
Speaker 2: Can the QR code fuck off?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you got Penguin I like, And that's I
still like with the criminals versus the weirdos is when
they're driving it's after the first night vicing Penguin in
the car and Penguin's like, I can't believe what this
mad man did this city, you know, And because to them,
they still think they're running it as a like an
organized way. It's still kind of the legacy of the
mob and buy the book like, yeah, they're doing bad things.
Was like, well that's how you do and got them
where the way Riddler did. It's like that, it's like
that's a real criminal, Like that's a real bad guy. Yeah,
so I like that Penguin said that, but this was
actually the QR code that was skin It does come
with some stuff yeah, it's a full in code. So
this is a clockbreaker. At first, I thought it was
Clockbrock clock cockbro I thought it was cock blocker at first,
Like that's an interesting name. But u's been put in motion,
can't stop Arkham's releasing patients and Blackgate is a mess.
Uh No, one's really a prisoner in there, not even
our old pal Salamroni, which is kind of like a
good allusion to like when Penguin gets in there, he
goes to sit down, so I was like, no, no,
that's not my table, my tails over here. So again
it's like he's in prison, but he can also still
like do drug drop shit bent Like he's running things
from the inside as much as he can, right, And
that whole this little speech there about like, oh, they're
releasing prisoners for Arkham. That's what makes me wonder about
Sophia of like was she supposed to be longer? And
she wasn't, you know, So that's what makes me a
little curious. Here. I'm trying to get the full thing
here because I don't want to keep pausing. Oh no,
it scrolls down, My goodness, let's see great on air TV.
But at least you know Tayo's keeping us busy, right right,
Oh yeah, Dexter, Let's see, we're gonna go to him.
He's just gonna go one. He's not gonna be there.
He's gonna be there. People say they want the truth,
but they shield their eyes when they shine the light.
Let's make sure they're not blinded again to the corruption,
the killings, and the Falcone power grab. We start in
the streets tonight at nine pm. We meet at the
Metro outside Crown Point. Done and done. The revolution is
just getting started, which is interesting. I don't think that's
gonna happen in the show, but I will wonder if
them being so specific with like a location and a
date and a time the show. I'm not sure, but
I like that the Riddler's presence has still felt also,
it's still not that long, but there's multiple things like
and that fits because like his character was like an
online person that got people rawled up right, He's you
know what we see a lot today in our culture.
So really liking those aspects of where they're still being around.
And I'm not sure I knowing then we could get
a QR code every episode. I'm I'm always down to
see it they're cooking, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I mean complete agreeance with everything you said. I
kind of alluded in the spoiler free section, but yeah,
I just love that he is felt and I like
that you how you uh highlighted there just the difference
between the mobsters that like like, yeah, they're evil people,
but like they have somewhat of a code, whereas like
what the Riddler was doing, it seemed like I guess
he had his own code for like what he was doing,
but like it is just breaking down the whole system, right,
like like crumbling the whole kingdom, whereas the mob doesn't
want that to happen because they want they want to
make money. They're in the business and making money and
flooding everything is obviously bad for business. I mean, the
falcones are pulling out right of the whole city.
Speaker 2: So I really really like that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just I love that moment on the
train of like this fucking weirdo going up to out
of any one like the penguin and you just like
get the fuck out of my face. It's just so
done with these fucking weirdo's in their masks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Any thoughts some Riddler or anything else
on Riddler.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the QR code was pretty cool.
I did not know, but I speculated that it was
going to have some kind of larger thing. I almost
with my phone out to give it a scam, but
I did not, So thank you for doing the dirty work.
Speaker 1: It's always someone on the internet. Yeah again, I personally
did not. It's always somebody else that did it. So
thank you to whoever that user was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's nice that the show so far
as paying tribute to these already pre established storylines and characters,
and so I think it was pretty neat the guy
wearing kind of like a Riddler esque mask. And for
some reason, when like jumping away from Riddler, when Penguin
went to Blackgate, I for some reason was thinking like.
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe you'd see a fall Dana.
Speaker 3: Well not, I was thinking, like we see like a
Joker episode one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not the case. He's like, I'm a
semblated team. You to enjoin me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's an arcam. I don't think he
gets the Black too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Black as Black e's like the lesser danger.
Speaker 2: Well comes like a mental asylum, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, technically that's why people get out of it so
easily because it's it's it's a it's not really a prison,
but yeah it is a mental asylums. Be like, oh,
this guy's six, so send them there, but it doesn't
work on Black eight is more the official prison.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they're familiar.
Speaker 4: Something else I wanted to shout out was, uh, Travis,
he kind of brought it up, just like Penguin has
somewhat of his own score. I thought like the music
and score in general of this whole episode was so good.
Speaker 2: The very specific.
Speaker 1: Scored by Michael Gacchino's son Mike. There you go.
Speaker 2: Oh mg, there we go.
Speaker 1: Nepotism at its finestinos.
Speaker 2: Four out of ten for this over this whole Yeah
that no.
Speaker 5: I I the.
Speaker 4: I can't remember which specific moment it was, whether it
was after the dinner, but Sophia like whispers in a
penguin's ear, like you know, like like a lot of
people underestimate you, but I I won't do that.
Speaker 2: I know what you're capable. And then they like face
down and there's no like music or anything.
Speaker 4: And then as soon as I don't know, they like
say something and she just like stares right at him,
and it has this like tense little like violin or
something that just hits It's like a it's just so
chilling that like like it like her look alone is
able to just like violin.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, I said, Hillo, violin sounds more correct.
Speaker 4: So like it's just really eerie though, like I think
her stare alone is like something that would like instill
fearing him, but like adding on the violin is just
like oh, like like goosebumps and really really really well placed.
So yeah, shouts out to Mike. Yeah, nepotism.
Speaker 1: Ye, shout out to nepotism.
Speaker 2: You know there's not enough on it, and yeah we
need more of it.
Speaker 1: Let's not let us break into it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know any unknowns. I only want
big names.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If there's not one nepotism high in this project,
it's a fan. I think that's it for me for specifics.
I think I'm trying to think there's anything else, But
til you get anything, I think I.
Speaker 3: Can think of.
Speaker 4: I loved uh just the end, going back to Dolly
part in ninety five when it's just like the end
credits roll like as soon as I played, and like
the episodees are it's like this is such a fucking
good time, like I cannot wait for next next week's
episode now, And yeah.
Speaker 1: Good little moment there when he oz was being chased,
and one when they showed the car with the door open.
Even for my brain, I didn't know he was in
the trumpet, like that's an odd like it was just
odd of like the car being old. I don't know why,
but just the most movies, just like the doors clothes,
and when he popped the trunk, I liked that he
had like whatever that knife hidden their device thing stab.
The guy gets hit by a city school bus and
Penguin just gets like his little like his little wave
to the kids and everything, like I get you. Some
nice comedic moments, but still a very dark comedy obviously,
or dark Meat goes and say it's a dark comedy,
but yeah, I like that. And then he just I
liked that he didn't get away because when I was
watching this, like Penguin's choking him, he's fighting me stabs,
I'm like, oh, I guess Pekle's just gonna powers his
way out of this, but really he just like he
outsmarted them for a second. And then he beat one guy,
but then he still got caught. You know, like if
he didn't have his backup plan of VIC and driving
them everything like that, then it would be a situation
where he'd be screwed.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 1: Superman Mike ass thoughts on the relationship with his mom.
We get the after cooking you need.
Speaker 4: Something ad there just just super bad Mike's comment. Really
that's too No, I'm glad. I'm glad he brought that
up because I like in in the moment, I never
watched The Sopranos. Maybe that's a bucket list show.
Speaker 1: It is, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the time, it's on Crave, like it's on Yeah, okay,
there you go one day. I remember my parents watched
it when it was live, But that seems like, fuck,
twenty years you gotta be twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: One thousand dollars per episode, it's that good, even if
you have craves.
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, and then oh okay, damn, I would rewatch
fucking Knuckles before that happened, and.
Speaker 2: Not the show. I kind of forgot about what the
fuck was it? Just what am I doing here? Oh? Yeah,
there you go? Relationship with his mom?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, no, I never watched the Sopranos, but I'm
I really really just love the dynamic there because it's
another I guess, humanizing trait to have him Penguin. It's like, yeah,
everybody has a mom, and even the penguin has a mom.
And I like, how initial Alberto, you know, like you
got a woman in your life, Like he gives him
that necklace for that purpose, and then the woman in
his life is his mother and he gives it to her.
Speaker 2: There. I laugh so hard.
Speaker 4: She goes in the kitchen or the liver room whatever
it is in Fixtious there, it's like, what the fuck
are you doing in my house?
Speaker 2: Like she just instantly freaking out.
Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious, but I was thought she
might be sick or something like that at first, as
I go, does she have dementia something? Because she was
acting like pretty oft and everything. But yeah, I like it.
It's funny because like in Gotham, Penguin had like an
interesting relationship with his mother as well, so it seems
to be a recurring thing with Penguin that he has
like the TV show Gotham.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's like.
Speaker 1: That's younger, that's not a bucket list one. Now that
that's only if you're into some hardcore Batman stuff. But
and you gotta watch just like a what if because
it's it's all the villains, it's it's not the greatest.
But as a Batman fan, ha, you know, scratched it
in for a while, but yeah, no, I enjoyed it.
I'm I'm curious the same thing with her status at
the end of it. If she's a character, that's the
one I could see more her taking the plunge of
losing character cares about then him killing Vic because there's
two of them and I just don't think both of
them are going to make it to the Batman. Maybe
you don't have to, maybe she just would be off screen,
But no, I like that seems like from his light
maybe just from the beginning as well, because it seems
like he has a couple of deformities that maybe she's
always had to talk him up and drama, but maybe
she does it too much, you know, to the point
where she probably should be egging him on to like
take over golf and like just he wants to get
out of there and be alive, but she say, no,
this is your city. It's like, well, he really has
no stake to it right now, but he could make
the play for it, but that leads to some dangerous decisions.
So I think there could be some more fun scenes
with the moum. So I did like that dynamic.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Taya thought it was a cool dynamic. Ta is ready
to ready to call it anything else for this show,
not for me. All right, then we'll call it there.
We'll be back in ten days because these are switching
to Sundays now, so back to our Sunday hbo Quave reviews.
So we will be there reviewing every single episode Penguin,
and it will not be boring.