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<v Speaker 1>Bucky.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my favorite kind of sandwich is a pizza broad.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh come on now, why would you? Why would you?

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot do that? So I was I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this because I'm an appeal to our crowd. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>please do right at the top of the show, please do.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wisconsin Timber Ratlers and Apton, Wisconsin local minor league team,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best minor league teams in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>has an annual food fight and they ask fans to

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<v Speaker 1>submit a recipe for a different item on their menu.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be a burger, could be a sandwich, could be

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<v Speaker 1>a side, could be you know, French fries. Whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>this year they chose brats, and one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>people submitted and I was lucky enough to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the finalists. Yes, remind me again what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the Grand Southwest Grand Slam. Yes, they did

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<v Speaker 1>not do it the way I wanted them to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's okay because they have really talented chefs there

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<v Speaker 1>that are going to put it together. I wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>Brios roll, okay, okay, and and they put on a

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<v Speaker 1>Brioche pun, which means they split the brat in half.

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<v Speaker 1>Halopenno cheddar brought from Salomon's Meads. They split the brought

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<v Speaker 1>in half and they made an X on it, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why I'm gonna lose, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get chosen, because who's going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>buy that right now? I haven't heard people who've actually

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<v Speaker 1>tasted and said, no, it's phenomenal, like this is I bet?

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Vitrano from Kiss FM said I crushed it. Leo said,

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<v Speaker 1>Leo tried all five of them, all five that are finalists,

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<v Speaker 1>and Leo said that mine was the only one with flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Is good? All right? But anyway, So it's a briosch

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<v Speaker 1>roll uh spread with avocado crema and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>this jalapenno cheddar brought on it top with pickled onions,

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<v Speaker 1>roasted corn, and black bean salsa with cilantro on lime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd never eat any of them, but I

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<v Speaker 2>also don't eat sandwiches, so I really am not a

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<v Speaker 2>good test of character case.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're not going to eat it, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how I view for yours, and how do you vote?

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<v Speaker 1>Timber Ratlers dot com is where to go or If

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<v Speaker 1>you follow Tim Ratlers on Facebook or x they have

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<v Speaker 1>posts on there, but the easiest way to go to

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<v Speaker 1>timber ratlers dot com. Right on that homepage, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>food fight kind of like blurb. Click on that and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a link in there to vote vote number one

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest grand Slain. How long does this go? March fifth?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, good, we'll talk about this on the show

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<v Speaker 2>next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that's remember I said I was gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>mission for HBO. This is the mission.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool. I only came across it because it was adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>I never see you on Facebook ever. But now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a social media guy, as you know, in big time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really again, like I said this, the only

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<v Speaker 1>time I post on social media is when I'm promoting myself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I'm a final five finalists, and now I'm promoting.

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<v Speaker 2>Myself and your wife is helping. And I saw her

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<v Speaker 2>post and you went underneath it and put thanks honey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I liked both her post and your post. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only reason I knew this was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he posted as well, and our good buddy El Grande.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll get it up there as well. Then I

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<v Speaker 2>want I want to fit in on this too, then,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm pulling for you. But I was joking. The

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<v Speaker 2>pizza brot probably sucks, probably made by a bad person,

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<v Speaker 2>So don't vote for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not concerned necessarily that. When there's a

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<v Speaker 1>hot honey brought that I'm not too concerned with. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that two toughest ones are gonna be the poutine.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a poutine one which is great, sounds delicious, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the Ruben brought too. I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that are all about the Ruben. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look on social media, if you look on the Post

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<v Speaker 1>and the timber Ratlers, you know, when they gave you

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<v Speaker 1>the five finalists, it always seems like one. Everybody's saying one,

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<v Speaker 1>three and five which is mine, the Ruben brought and

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<v Speaker 1>the poutine, and everybody seems to be settling it on

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<v Speaker 1>three and five rather than one, which is fine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the lame. The Appleton postcrests in the local newspaper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a story on it, and they posted the

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<v Speaker 1>photo of mine twice in their article, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is good. However, I'm not the main image on that

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<v Speaker 1>I think they chose the hot honey brought for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on wl l UK Channel eleven here in

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<v Speaker 1>the Fox Valley, they did a story on it and

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<v Speaker 1>they used my recipe as the main phoont.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to get on your old time slot and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that they push it out there as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean listen, I've posted on it like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a show. I have a fantasy football show tomorrow, I

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<v Speaker 1>have one on Friday. I will be pumping that up.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some people that that view my show that

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<v Speaker 1>have already said they contacted me on x that they

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<v Speaker 1>voted as well. So okay, we're going nationwide.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go. I dig that, I dig that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pooling for you, man. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a good feeling, all right. I honest to god,

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<v Speaker 2>I could keep talking about this and the show is

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<v Speaker 2>called off topic, but I have I have looked forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough to talking about this with you, Balky.

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<v Speaker 2>I said to you off the air, this was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be my my colde open until I remembered that you

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<v Speaker 2>were in the competition. But I was gonna say, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to be the cynic The Jaded, The Jaded

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<v Speaker 2>Movie Guy of the two of us and we are

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<v Speaker 2>realistically outside of Anaconda. Twenty twenty six has been a

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<v Speaker 2>great year for the podcast really, and these last two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks have been absolutely phenomenal. This week of course being

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<v Speaker 2>and I really have to do this right, good Luck,

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<v Speaker 2>Have Fun, Don't Die?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, See, to me, having fun is the most

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<v Speaker 2>important part, so I always want to put that first

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<v Speaker 2>before good Luck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It is a little weird, ye you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>have it, and it comes in into the movie that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a this is part of the movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like a random like, oh, we named it

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<v Speaker 1>this because we thought it was cute. It does have

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<v Speaker 1>something new with the movie. But good Luck, Have Fun,

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<v Speaker 1>Don't Die is the latest movie that we're reviewing today.

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<v Speaker 1>It stars Sam rock Bell, Hilly lu Richardson, Zazzi Beats,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Pana. Directed by Gordon Verbinski, who you may remember

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<v Speaker 1>directed Rango, the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and some other things I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I don't know if you If you knew this

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<v Speaker 2>about me, I did not know the director of the

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<v Speaker 2>Pirates of the Caribean, but the original Pirates is in

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<v Speaker 2>my top ten movies. It came out when I was fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It just like hit at the right time. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it in theaters. I actually, I think I might have

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<v Speaker 2>told this story, but I went to the theaters with

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<v Speaker 2>my family and might show. They were like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to see? I think it was like my

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<v Speaker 2>really want to see this Pirates movie. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds stupid, not interested. Let's do twenty eight days later

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<v Speaker 2>because this both came out at the same time. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I picked that. I was disappointed with that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Pirates two weeks later in theaters. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of the greatest things I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. And I think it made me hate

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight thays later even more that it was so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love those movies. So when you told me

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<v Speaker 2>that yesterday, it's the same director that elevated that elevated

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<v Speaker 2>my expectations of this movie, and I would say it's

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<v Speaker 2>still exceeded what I was expecting when I went to

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<v Speaker 2>go see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Personally. I read some critics say that there are very

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<v Speaker 1>few directors that could have pulled this movie off, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily agree with, but they said Gord Verbinsky

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<v Speaker 1>our analysis and viewing of this movie, hard to argue.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it like the as far as the direction goes,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as really everything goes in this movie, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a whole lot of complaints.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all, and like to me, I agree with

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<v Speaker 2>that sentiment honestly that only certain directors could pull this off,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think there's a lot of people and I

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<v Speaker 2>will use an example, and this is someone who I

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<v Speaker 2>did deeply respect as an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, Peter Dinklic.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure he is what I refer to and I did

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<v Speaker 2>not invent this term, but I like using it for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I refer to him as lol random, Like he's not

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<v Speaker 2>funny random, yes, Like it's like, oh, look how wacky

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<v Speaker 2>I am, but like it's uh, I include Ryan Reynolds

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<v Speaker 2>in that conversation. It's like, look, how strange and quirky

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<v Speaker 2>I am. And it's like, I don't like you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>too hard to be that, Like actual quirky people are

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<v Speaker 2>just the best example is Hugh Jackman is a strange,

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<v Speaker 2>freaking dude. Yeah, yes, he is way more quirky than

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Renolds. But Ryan Reds is like, look how wacky

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<v Speaker 2>I am? And then meanwhile, Hugh Jackman, it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>understated like, Ah, that dude's weird and I like him

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, So a couple of things I want to

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<v Speaker 1>just piggyback on this. Yeah, Ryan Reynolds, I always think

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird for him to be living in real life

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<v Speaker 1>he talks in movies, the dialogue he has in movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's kind of type cast. Absolutely absolutely, how does

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<v Speaker 1>he do that in real life? It's totally different. I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching a Denzel Washington interview today and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do these guys who are so good on screen

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<v Speaker 1>with memorizing lines that were written for them? Like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>totally different when you hear him talking real life. And Reynolds,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be a huge letdown because nobody has

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Tony Stark versus although Robert Downey Jr. Is

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<v Speaker 2>a funny dude in real life, but like it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same idea he did.

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<v Speaker 1>They did this thing at the Oscars a few years

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<v Speaker 1>ago where they were interviewing all these actors and directors

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<v Speaker 1>about what drama is and what film is and what

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<v Speaker 1>cinema is, and Robert Towne Junior is one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the only one that was like and

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<v Speaker 1>not poking fun of it, but being funny. Yeah, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else is taking it very seriously. So he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like that in real life. And then I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>on Peter Dinklic. I don't believe he's like this quirky like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying he was just recently in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>Toxic or Toxic Avenger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He also he had a recurring role in thirty Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime he said at that yeah really yeah, anytime he's

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<v Speaker 2>how like Novenger was just loud and obnoxious, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>think I would have liked it more if the lead actor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would have actually been entertained from a

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<v Speaker 2>you just you don't pull. This isn't the type of

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<v Speaker 2>person you are, and that's fine. But I say all

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<v Speaker 2>that to say this movie could have been the Peter

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<v Speaker 2>dinklinch type of movie. You're like, Ah, you're trying way

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<v Speaker 2>too hard to be weird. This hit all. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, this is the exact level of weird. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like you're trying at all. This just flows.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the best compliment that I can give a

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<v Speaker 1>Just real quick to put a button on this. You

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<v Speaker 1>know who is like that? For me? John ham Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you describing? Yeah, tries too hard to be funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there is an SNL like within the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>his question was, am I funny? You know? He said

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<v Speaker 1>that to the host And if you did you watch

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<v Speaker 1>the Confess Fletch movie, the latest Fletch movie. That's John

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<v Speaker 1>Hammond stead Chevy Chase. It was weird because he's such

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<v Speaker 1>a good looking guy and obviously has this reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>Don Draper on Mad Men. It's weird to like see

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<v Speaker 1>him be comedic like it's just you don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Tag I don't remember in particularly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then getting back to Dinklage, he was the in

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<v Speaker 1>the comedy Elf, small small role in that, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like racking my brain. I'm like, what other comedies or

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever comedic roles has he been in. I really

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<v Speaker 1>can't think of anything, but Ben I'll bring this up

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<v Speaker 1>and if you haven't watched it, he hosted SNL during

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<v Speaker 1>the peak of the powers of Game of Thrones, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he was hilarious. He did this space pants sketch with

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<v Speaker 1>Gwen Stefani where he was like this weird dancer at

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<v Speaker 1>this club while these gangsters are trying to have like

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<v Speaker 1>And then he did another one where it was two

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<v Speaker 1>York City and they had glory holes. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I can say that on the podcast. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giving it. They had glory holes in this brothel, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but they when they redid it and made a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>they never took the glory holes out, so all the

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<v Speaker 1>food to serve through gloryholes. So it's like bread and

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<v Speaker 1>corn dogs and corn on the cob. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>just he's not trying to be funny, like he's just funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just hilarious, you know what I mean. But

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<v Speaker 1>I did not see Toxic Covender, so I got it

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and I was excited for that. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about doing it on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that movie came and went very quickly in theaters.

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<v Speaker 2>But nevertheless, I say.

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<v Speaker 1>That, so circle this, circle this back here. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, basically, there was a possibility where there could be,

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<v Speaker 1>like the movie itself could be trying too hard to

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<v Speaker 1>be quirky, to be unique, to be funny in sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The best way I can describe it is when it's

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<v Speaker 2>when it but it was, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when a drama club kid tries to be

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<v Speaker 2>too weird and you're just like, ah, this sucks. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the way I look.

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<v Speaker 1>At I was watching mal Rats clips the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. And this is true of clerks, like any

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<v Speaker 1>like early Kevin Smith stuff. The dialogue is so weird,

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<v Speaker 1>so forced, and I don't know if that was intended

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<v Speaker 1>or not, but like seeing guys like Jason Lee and

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Affleck and Ethan Sutley and and I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>it was Jason or Jeremy Lonnon and that it just

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like you're watching like a high school yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I don't know if that's intended or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a little like watching it now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a certain nostalgic aspect that I enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still a little off putting. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, is that just I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this tangent and I promise we'll get back

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<v Speaker 2>to the movie to those of you listening, But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say I believe Quentin Tarantino changed dialogue in movies

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden. You'd have people in movies talking

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<v Speaker 2>about movies talking. We talking the way you and I

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<v Speaker 2>do right now, but it would be dialogue in a movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and you never really saw it like that before. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Smith watched that and was like, I'm gonna do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not Quentin Tarantino. And I love Kevin Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Jay and Silent Bob. I love Clerk's Clerks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the budget for the first one was like

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars made one point six million. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that story. Ye, but it's what happens when someone who

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<v Speaker 2>maybe isn't as much of an a tour as Quentin

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<v Speaker 2>Tarantino is kind of tries his hand more traditional sounding dialogue,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just kind of sounds cheesy and outdated in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite nineties sitcoms is news Radio. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've read heard up to you before, and there

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<v Speaker 1>is one episode where two people were arguing over who

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<v Speaker 1>Mushmouth was and who dumb Donald was on the old

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<v Speaker 1>Fat Albert Show. Yeah, and all of a sudden, another

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<v Speaker 1>character says, Okay, now I feel like I'm gonna Quentin

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<v Speaker 1>Tarantino movie because that's the kind of stuff you have,

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<v Speaker 1>just this random stuff. The whole big Back conversation in

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<v Speaker 1>the car between Samuel Jackson and John Travolta. Pulp fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell's the point of that? But it's legendary now,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's it's like it's like baked into like you

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<v Speaker 1>think of pulp fiction, you think of Libig Meca.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like literally a Simpson scene where like they

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<v Speaker 2>don't call it a krusty burger with cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>So so, so anyway, you could be right on Tarantino

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<v Speaker 1>because like his his films are you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>When you're watching immediately just from the you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>need to watch it, you just need to hear it

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, no, that's uh, that's exactly what I

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<v Speaker 2>think exactly. But but yeah, so, I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how we got on to Kevin Smith from.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know either. It's not important. Let's get back

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<v Speaker 1>to this movie. The gist of this, the setup of

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<v Speaker 1>this is a man from the future claiming to be

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<v Speaker 1>from the future. I should always say that to set

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<v Speaker 1>you up. Maybe is from the future, maybe he's not,

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<v Speaker 1>but he claims to be from the future. And he

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<v Speaker 1>walks into this Los Angeles diner ten ten at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was crucial or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>they made a point of yeah in the movie, and

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<v Speaker 1>he basically is dressed kind of weird. He looks very homeless, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like he's dressed like a homeless person, and

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<v Speaker 1>he claims that the right combination of people are in

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<v Speaker 1>that diner to save the future of the world, because

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<v Speaker 1>he knows what the world turns into and we could

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<v Speaker 1>save it tonight. And then the whole thing is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to recruit people. Some people go along with them, some

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<v Speaker 1>people don't, and the adventures start. I said on your show,

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about this non linear storytelling. We get

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<v Speaker 1>some backstories, flashbacks to how these characters came to be

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<v Speaker 1>in this diner, how they came to be the people

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<v Speaker 1>that they were to a certain point, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge degree. And then we actually get the the

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<v Speaker 1>the process and the result. But and maybe we get

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<v Speaker 1>into themes right away. Obviously the theme hand heavy handed

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<v Speaker 1>on the role of artificial intelligence. Yeah, and phone usage

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<v Speaker 1>and phone usage. And speaking of phone usage, I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>this and I'm on my phone on my phone right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on my phone all the time then, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, God, I I have got to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>So can I say so, as you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>TikToker now.

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<v Speaker 1>And follow me every because like you do that for work.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but no, no, no. So I posted something that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hit minutes before I went into the theater,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like I would bring up TikTok, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would be like seven more likes, and I'd wait four

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<v Speaker 2>more minutes and be like thirteen more likes. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this might catch a little fire here. And

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<v Speaker 2>for the first half of the movie, I'd say every

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes I was checking to see and then and

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been that guy ever and the theme of

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<v Speaker 2>the movies, You're so pervasive talk fifth, fifth, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>so like it actually did okay, And I'm sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>watching the movie, watching how the kids aren't putting the

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<v Speaker 2>phone down, watching the opening scene when they show you

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<v Speaker 2>every table and the server walks by and everyone's on

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<v Speaker 2>their phone, and I'm just like, it didn't resonate with

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<v Speaker 2>me until about halfway through, and I'm like, dude, this

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<v Speaker 2>movie's good. Check this out when you get home. And

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<v Speaker 2>I put the like I had to actively, and had

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<v Speaker 2>we been watching Send Help, I don't know that I

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<v Speaker 2>would have made that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was heavy handed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know that I would have made the

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<v Speaker 2>connection that I need to put this down and just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the freaking movie, especially given the fact that it

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<v Speaker 2>was two hours and fifteen minutes and it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for like thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>It flew really didn' drag. I read somewhere human evolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there's a mural of human evolution posted

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<v Speaker 1>in this I know what you're gonna say, Yeah, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what I'm gonna say. I'm just in references.

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<v Speaker 1>But the final part of human evolution is in this

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<v Speaker 1>mural that's depicted in the movie. Is this guy with

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<v Speaker 1>one of those heads VR headsets on and his head

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<v Speaker 1>is slumped down and yeah, you know, just walking and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the evolution of man, you know whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>read an article and I can't remember where this was,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted make it abundantly clear that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not anywhere near happening. But if people continue to walk

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know how they explain this, but it

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<v Speaker 1>made sense human evolution could evolve into us growing horns

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<v Speaker 1>out of the back of our heads, something with like

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<v Speaker 1>the structure or the pose or whatever something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, this is not like a couple generations away.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like thousands and thousands of years you know,

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<v Speaker 1>down the road that humans if this phone like the

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<v Speaker 1>way we treat technology, and we were constantly with our

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<v Speaker 1>out of the back of human beings heads. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>find that article. I'll send it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what's crazy is I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>my stupid memory that if you know me, you know

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm good for. We used to read

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<v Speaker 2>there was an article when I was in sixth grade

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, it shows the evolution of

419
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<v Speaker 2>man and then it's almost like the de evolution and

420
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<v Speaker 2>it shows someone hunched over a keyboard and basically looks

421
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<v Speaker 2>like the first iteration when it happens. And that was

422
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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen ninety nine, and they were telling you,

423
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<v Speaker 2>like we kind of see the trajectory, like the Kammonos

424
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<v Speaker 2>has got their first computer in nineteen ninety eight and

425
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<v Speaker 2>it was like exactly the kind of computer you think

426
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<v Speaker 2>it is in that era, and they were calling their

427
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<v Speaker 2>shot then and here we are. I mean, iPhones were

428
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<v Speaker 2>a decade later and the rest is history. But I

429
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<v Speaker 2>mean this hit on so many I think worries it

430
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<v Speaker 2>took part as a terminator. Like I know you don't

431
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<v Speaker 2>watch the show, but this was to me three episodes

432
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<v Speaker 2>of Black Mirror with a through line kind of connecting

433
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<v Speaker 2>all of those episodes. And there actually are two or

434
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<v Speaker 2>three episodes of Black Mirror that are the exact formula

435
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<v Speaker 2>where it's two or three, but that each story is like,

436
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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten minutes and then it tells like a

437
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<v Speaker 2>whole story in an hour. That was the way that

438
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<v Speaker 2>it looked at this. This touches on a lot of fears,

439
00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.599
<v Speaker 2>takes them too in my opinion, A like, I don't

440
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<v Speaker 2>want to say logical conclusion because you see how why

441
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<v Speaker 2>some of the crap is that happens in this movie.

442
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<v Speaker 2>But before.

443
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<v Speaker 1>I want to explore that more. But before we get

444
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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about the wild crap. So I

445
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<v Speaker 1>compared this to you and I and I said, it's

446
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<v Speaker 1>to a lesser degree sorry to bother you. Which can

447
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<v Speaker 1>we spoil that or no? Yeah, okay, so I'm sorry

448
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<v Speaker 1>to bother you. It's a telemarketing a guy who's trying

449
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<v Speaker 1>to make money telemarketing, right, and one thing leads to another.

450
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<v Speaker 1>He's unpeeling the layers of an onion and we find

451
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<v Speaker 1>out that there is this like horse cocaine that people

452
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<v Speaker 1>are snorting oblivious to that it actually turns them into

453
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<v Speaker 1>like horse people. Yeah, a weird turn, like the weirdest

454
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<v Speaker 1>turn that we've we've seen in cinema.

455
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<v Speaker 2>My favorite of the decade in ten years.

456
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<v Speaker 1>So I said, there is a turn in this movie

457
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<v Speaker 1>that's similar to that. Not to the degree of absurdity,

458
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<v Speaker 1>but there is a pretty absurd part in this and

459
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, and Sam Rockwall's character is kind of setting

460
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<v Speaker 1>us up for you know, when they're at that house

461
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<v Speaker 1>where so you know something weird is gonna happen, and

462
00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.720
<v Speaker 1>then something weird happens, and then it was like, something

463
00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.799
<v Speaker 1>really weird happens, and I'm like, what the hell am

464
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<v Speaker 1>I watching? And that was and that was the first

465
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<v Speaker 1>thing I thought of was Sorry to Bother You Again,

466
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<v Speaker 1>not to the same degree, but to the level of like,

467
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<v Speaker 1>how does this play into this story right now? Well?

468
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<v Speaker 2>Can I say? And this is why I loved this

469
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<v Speaker 2>movie but it's not going to get a perfect score

470
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<v Speaker 2>is because I remember seeing Sorry to Bother You advertised,

471
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<v Speaker 2>and I remembered going into it and I'm like, oh,

472
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<v Speaker 2>this looks like it's gonna be the black perspective of

473
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<v Speaker 2>Office Space. I'm like, that could be a pretty cool

474
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<v Speaker 2>movie to watch, and it in no way hinted at

475
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<v Speaker 2>the two thirds plot twist. It in no way hinted

476
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<v Speaker 2>at the greater socioeconomic They have the perfect jobs where

477
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<v Speaker 2>people no longer work for money and they just work

478
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<v Speaker 2>for room and board, and you have you have all

479
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<v Speaker 2>these different elements all coalescing that the trailer will confident

480
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<v Speaker 2>enough that it gave you like ten percent of what

481
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<v Speaker 2>the plot was going to be. And I was like, yeah, no,

482
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<v Speaker 2>that plot interests me. Half of the trailer was in

483
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<v Speaker 2>the final fifteen minutes of this movie. They show in

484
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<v Speaker 2>the trailer like, it's not a spoiler, you can watch

485
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<v Speaker 2>the trailer. They show a giant hoof in the trailer, don't.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Tell you how it relates to.

487
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<v Speaker 2>They show you a scene that basically looks like it's

488
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<v Speaker 2>the last scene in Toy Story when all the scary

489
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<v Speaker 2>toys come out to scare sid. They show you that's

490
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<v Speaker 2>the trailer.

491
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<v Speaker 1>And I remember the wires or whatever.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the trailer, and they show you the baby

493
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<v Speaker 2>doll heads, which is what sticks out to me from

494
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<v Speaker 2>Toy Story. And this was all in the trailer, and

495
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there was enough meat on the bones

496
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<v Speaker 2>if you would have just shown me the first ten minutes.

497
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<v Speaker 2>If the trailer would have been just different clips of

498
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<v Speaker 2>Sam Rockwell in that diner trying to convince people that

499
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<v Speaker 2>this was a good idea, I'd still would have been

500
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<v Speaker 2>telling you, let's go see this movie and.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Just like maybe like because the other thing we did

502
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<v Speaker 1>to bring up is the people with the pig masks, yes,

503
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<v Speaker 1>that are kind of after him. That was bizarre in it,

504
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<v Speaker 1>and they you know, I just and did they ever

505
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<v Speaker 1>really explain the pig mask thing?

506
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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, they didn't. There was some stuff left unexplained.

507
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<v Speaker 2>And for the record, there's still a ton of strange

508
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<v Speaker 2>crap that we're not going to spoil for you that

509
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<v Speaker 2>was not in the trailer. There was one I had

510
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<v Speaker 2>a classic Ben Kommeno's moment in the trailer. There's a

511
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<v Speaker 2>conversation between a mother meeting two other parents and they're

512
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<v Speaker 2>talking about a shared experience they had with their children,

513
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<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about one of their kids being racist.

514
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<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't still hold on in this movie. Yeah

515
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<v Speaker 2>you don't remember, I don't want to.

516
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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's two mothers.

517
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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a mother talking. It's one of the main

518
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<v Speaker 2>characters talking to a married couple. It's a black man

519
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.799
<v Speaker 2>and a white woman, okay, and the guy says, yeah,

520
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<v Speaker 2>our daughter's a little racist.

521
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember that part. I remember that I

522
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<v Speaker 1>was the only one in the theater. Temple's also in

523
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<v Speaker 1>this movie. I forgot about that too. Yeah, so that's

524
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<v Speaker 1>another one that I heard.

525
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all weird as hell, and that's not spoiled

526
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<v Speaker 2>at all, and.

527
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<v Speaker 1>I loved it.

528
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<v Speaker 2>There's there's plenty of weirdness that goes on spoiled. I

529
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<v Speaker 2>wish this movie would have been a little more confident

530
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<v Speaker 2>to maybe not play as much of its hand in

531
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<v Speaker 2>the trailer, because I was sitting there waiting for the

532
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<v Speaker 2>moments that caught my eye in the.

533
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<v Speaker 1>That's a production company thing, that's not that's not an earth.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure.

535
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<v Speaker 2>But like I mean, I think I say it all

536
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<v Speaker 2>the time about Civil War. You didn't have to put

537
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man in the trailer. I was freaking gonna go

538
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<v Speaker 2>see Civil War. You could have hit me like a ton.

539
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<v Speaker 1>Of I I I'm telling you, that's that's a casual thing.

540
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<v Speaker 1>Like when people have people who have been avoiding Marvel

541
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 1>because they don't care, you know, for years, and then

542
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<v Speaker 1>you have this one that has all these characters and

543
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you're introducing Spider Man finally into the MCU. See, I

544
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 1>got gotta put him in there for for us, No,

545
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.079
<v Speaker 1>we don't need that, yeah, but for for like that

546
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<v Speaker 1>the what do they call in politics, Like there's uh,

547
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.039
<v Speaker 1>there's there's you know, the left side, the right moderates,

548
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the moderates. Yeah, you know, like the people could kind

549
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<v Speaker 1>of give to craps and then if all Spider Man's

550
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<v Speaker 1>in this one, I'm there.

551
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I guess I wish and like this movie

552
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have any brand recognition and they lean into

553
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<v Speaker 2>that with U with one character that like what what

554
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 2>character are you? And like I loved that because there's

555
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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing recognizable about this. As we've highlighted a couple

556
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<v Speaker 2>of times some of the cast. Sam Rockwell obviously huge

557
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<v Speaker 2>blockbuster guy.

558
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<v Speaker 1>Did you agree with me that you think like you

559
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<v Speaker 1>thought he'd be in the movie more. I felt like

560
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<v Speaker 1>I felt like he was in it a lot, but

561
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<v Speaker 1>I thought he'd be in it more. Yeah, I wasn't.

562
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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't put off by it. Okay, Yeah, I mean

563
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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't put off by I guess I was surprised.

564
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you and I just have a different because

565
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<v Speaker 2>it's like when I said Keanu Reeves was in was

566
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<v Speaker 2>in Ballerina for fifteen minutes, You're like, it was longer

567
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<v Speaker 2>than fifteen minutes. And we looked it up and it

568
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>was like seventeen minutes. You were like, see, So like

569
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we just have a different perspective. Like

570
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<v Speaker 2>to me, that was definitely longer than a cameo. I

571
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<v Speaker 2>got enough.

572
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<v Speaker 1>Sam Rockwell, yeah, I wasn't craving more. I just was.

573
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<v Speaker 1>I just thought i'd see more. I guess maybe because

574
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<v Speaker 1>there was so much exposition on Zazzi Beats and Michael

575
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<v Speaker 1>Penis characters, Hailey Lou Richardson's character, we did get to

576
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<v Speaker 1>see some background on Sam Rockwell as a kid, Sam

577
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Rockwall's character as a kid. And was there another flashback

578
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>or was that it? I feel like there's oh ah,

579
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Judo Temple's character. Yeah, I can't remember what her name

580
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.400
<v Speaker 1>was now I have it up here. And then and

581
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<v Speaker 1>then the other thing that we didn't talk about, Susan Susan. Yeah,

582
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>how in this just do we find out what year

583
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<v Speaker 1>this was taking place? It was at present day? I

584
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know Okay, but in this reality,

585
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<v Speaker 1>in this film, how prevalent, not prevalent, how common commonplace

586
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 1>school shootings are. Yeah, I mean just like it to

587
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the point where it wasn't even affecting some of the

588
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 1>parents at all. Yeah, it's just like, yeah.

589
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<v Speaker 2>No, it was all very because like weapons to me,

590
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>which we saw for the purposes of this podcast. It

591
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a metaphor for it was a

592
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>very light handed metaphor. But it's like, you know, why

593
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 2>this teacher's class all the kids go missing. It was

594
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>clearly you know, playing on the school shooting motif, but

595
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<v Speaker 2>not in a way that would be heavy handed, especially

596
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 2>for people that might you know, why are there politics

597
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.240
<v Speaker 2>in my movie? This wasn't afraid to do it at all,

598
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's still felt very like I was like, no,

599
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 2>this is basically where we're at right now, not in prevalence,

600
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 2>but in attitude towards it.

601
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, and then the one that senior referencing before when

602
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the when them, I think those moms God, which is like,

603
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>what's the difference, They're just going to shoot each other anyway.

604
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh my god, is your child completely unhymned?

605
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was. It was wild stuff. And and obviously

606
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't even the most ridiculous you know, no, no,

607
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>not at all.

608
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 2>And I mean there's a whole Michael Painis thing was

609
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>basically like an updated version of the Faculty, which anyone

610
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 2>who knows he knows I love the Faculty, and uh

611
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and and that was giving me faculty vibes the entire time.

612
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about that, but yeah, that makes perfect sense.

613
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a body snatcher type of thing infused

614
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>with some tech and in a way that I could

615
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 2>have watched a whole movie of just that. I'll be

616
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<v Speaker 2>real all, Like I said, it's just like Black merr

617
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<v Speaker 2>I would have watched a feature length of any of

618
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the premises placed in front of us. They basically took

619
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 2>four different movies and tied them together in a way

620
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that was such a payoff. Like they say, he starts

621
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<v Speaker 2>the movie off, Sam walkwell stop starts it off, saying.

622
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh I love that too. That they get right into

623
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>it right away, right just boom.

624
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.960
<v Speaker 2>And he says, whoever comes with me, you're gonna chip

625
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 2>in in some way, and they do so many I

626
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't even realize there was stuff that I didn't know

627
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the answer to until later in the movie. I'm like, oh,

628
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think about that, and then he realized,

629
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<v Speaker 2>like going on sabbatical and what does that mean? I'm like, oh, okay,

630
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<v Speaker 2>So he realized, Oh, there's actually a way deeper meaning

631
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>to that that I didn't even consider. Like you're like, okay,

632
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a shady thing that clearly it's not actually sabbatical.

633
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But then they give you that answer, and like there's

634
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<v Speaker 2>so many little moments like that that absolutely paid off.

635
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<v Speaker 1>I do like, and I talk to my wife about

636
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:05.519
<v Speaker 1>this because she didn't watch it with me. Did I

637
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>just go out or am I still Oh? I'm still

638
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 1>going okay, fine, all of a sudden, my ear phones

639
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>went out. Headphones. The role of teachers versus students in

640
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>this movie too, Yeah, Like, I wonder how many teachers

641
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>watch this and they're like, yeah, we know this is satire,

642
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 1>this is not real, but man, it feels real. I

643
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you this.

644
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I do

645
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of discussion of teachers pay and funding for

646
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>schools and how do we get our literacy rates to

647
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 2>be higher and all that as a non parent, And

648
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 2>there's some people that will interact with my radio show

649
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 2>and say, Ben, you're not a parent.

650
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 1>You just don't.

651
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not like when you were in school anymore. Obviously

652
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>this was too an absurdiest degree degree. But how relatable

653
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 2>did you find it in terms of well, I'm not

654
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>a teacher, but like are your kids on the phone?

655
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Like like do you know these kinds of things? Like

656
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>do you always have contact with them?

657
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. I'll preface my answer by saying this,

658
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<v Speaker 1>have you seen the trailer for Toy Story five? I haven't, No, Okay,

659
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So did you see how many Toy Stories have you seen?

660
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Just the first three? Okay? So the fourth one is

661
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a takeoff on it. What would you

662
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>say the theme is in those Toy Story movies? What's

663
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the overarching theme for me?

664
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<v Speaker 3>Like?

665
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 2>So, wh I've always said that every movie is the

666
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>exact same, like like the toys are like, we need

667
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 2>to get out and we need to go to this

668
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 2>place it's better, and then they get there they're like,

669
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>actually it was better where.

670
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I was broad your scope on this, brought your scope

671
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 1>on it a little bit. Think about the humans in

672
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the in the Toy Story movies? Just growing up? Yeah,

673
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like coming of age. Yeah, change happens,

674
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it's for the good for the better, it's just right.

675
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Well I shouldn't say right, it just happens inevitable. It's inevitable,

676
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like Thanos all comes back to Marble exactly. The trailer

677
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 1>for Toy Story five could not be more on the nose. Then,

678
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 1>what would you think would be knowing that this movie

679
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is coming out in twenty twenty six? Yeah, what do

680
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<v Speaker 1>you think that the the antagonist would be in a

681
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>movie about toys and kids? What do you think the

682
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>antagonist would be in this movie? And by the way,

683
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>it is based on the trailer, it is the villain.

684
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to guess it's like a console or something

685
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>because they're all like old school toys and like they're

686
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>gonna be competing against an iPad.

687
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.759
<v Speaker 1>It is something called the Lily Pad okay, yeah, which

688
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 1>is basically an ipade. And this girl who got by

689
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the way, the girl who got all these toys, and

690
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 1>she was playing with the toys at the start, and

691
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>is it Andy's kids. No, it's like it's like a

692
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 1>neighbor that remember we gave all the toys. Yeah, so

693
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 1>it's her and then she gets this lily pad, and

694
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 1>all her friends have lily pads, and none of the

695
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>toys get played with anymore because she's on this screen.

696
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Which is literally the promise of the first movie, Like

697
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>buzz Lightyear was like the.

698
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Malty, but that's still a toy. And I think Tom

699
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Hanks's character says something that like, you know, toys are

700
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 1>for fun, but tech is for everything. The pig, when

701
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 1>he realized, is that he's never gonna be played with,

702
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I got DIBs behind the dresser, and

703
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>then the dinosaur goes, oh, great extinction again. You know.

704
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's a lot of it's a lot

705
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of stuff with it, and and it's true because like

706
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, like when I I'm trying to get my

707
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>kids gifts for birthdays and Christmas, like when I mean,

708
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was the same when you're growing up.

709
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 1>We got toys. Yeah, when we were a kid. It

710
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>became and my kids are twelve and ten now, but

711
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>it's become the last four years or so, tougher and

712
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>tougher to get them toys to play with. When everything

713
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>revolves around the screen, everything revolves, Oh I want Roebucks

714
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, for frow blocks, you know whatever. You know,

715
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>they want all this stuff or whatever, so I can

716
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 1>identify with it, and that to me is totally different

717
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>than when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean I

718
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>grew up out of little toddler toys, but I was

719
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>still getting totally baseball bats, basketballs, yeah, you know, stuff

720
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like that. I was still getting stuff to physically play

721
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 1>with and be active, and I can't remember. Oh, this

722
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 1>is your question about my kids, yeah, and how they

723
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>are right now. There is a fantasy football podcaster I

724
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 1>listened to. His name is JJ. I think it's JJ

725
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>zacher Reson. I listened to so many sometimes I get

726
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 1>mixed up. But he said about iPad usage with kids.

727
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Who am I to say that my kids should not

728
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>be well versed into something that's going to be pretty

729
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 1>vital to them when they're in their teens in their twenties,

730
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Like they should be familiar with tech, they should know

731
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>how to use tech or whatever. So for him, it

732
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>was more like, I don't want to shut down screen time.

733
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I got to balance this out for what the world's

734
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 1>becoming and how my kids need to adapt to thature.

735
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>So he wasn't looking at like screen time is evil,

736
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>screen time is necessary. It's it's the balancing act, right

737
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>And so for me right now, for my kids, that's

738
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 1>sort of how I take it, Like, yeah, you know,

739
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I like I played computer games video games as a kid, Like,

740
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to call out my kids for

741
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 1>not doing that. But at the same time, it is

742
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 1>a little weird for me knowing how much I had

743
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>to read real books and write real stuff back in

744
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the day and now I'm not. And they socialized like

745
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>we used to grow it's different. It's totally different because

746
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 1>most of the socialization is done virtually digitally. That's kind

747
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of what I fix, sure or whatever, And it's totally different.

748
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like I always cause there's a couple of

749
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>years in between us, and like video games were a

750
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 2>little more prevalent when I was growing up, Like I

751
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>got toys and we got video games. They're always joke

752
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>up my show, I say, but the game sucked, like

753
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't sit there. But like Nintendo games were hard

754
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>as shit, you know what I mean. Like GoldenEye, which

755
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.920
<v Speaker 2>is a classic to the guys of a lot of millennials,

756
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>had eight maps, Like you're only gonna play that for

757
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 2>so long, whereas Call of Duty it's ten minutes, ten minutes,

758
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, game after game, all of a sudden, six

759
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>hours goes by. You're playing with people around the world.

760
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Speaker 2>If I were ten years old, it would have been

761
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot harder to get me out and throw football

762
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 2>around compared to it's like, you know what, I've had

763
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>enough of this game. Let's go outside and do something else.

764
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's different, But I'm always cognizant of me being

765
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>told you're not gonna have any social skills, You're not

766
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 2>going to know how to talk. And meanwhile, I don't

767
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 2>shut the hell up, and I'm always social on the

768
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 2>weekends and go out and do things. And I don't

769
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 2>want to be that person who's like, well I didn't

770
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>have this growing up, and it's going to ruin you.

771
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's.

772
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Just normal human nature to feel that way. Yeah, I

773
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, this is I like where I'm at

774
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 1>right now. This is what got me here. I want

775
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the same thing for my kids, you know, because but

776
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 1>that's not.

777
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 2>My is The thing that will push our generation over

778
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the brink is when virtual reality actually gets good, which

779
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>they dabble in in this movie A little bit and

780
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>there will be people U There is a theme in

781
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>this movie that has been explored a thousand times over

782
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>in Black Mirror, in Adventure Time. And if I thought enough,

783
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I could give you ten more examples of if the

784
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>virtual reality world is it was in Ready Player one,

785
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 2>If it's better in the virtual world for people. Who

786
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 2>are you to say, oh, come out of the virtual one?

787
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>What was the one with Florence Pugh and Harry Styles, Oh, oh,

788
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about don't worry Darling exactly? Another example, right,

789
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, who are you to say? Leave that?

790
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 2>But like as people that lived in reality will all

791
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 2>sit there in our sixties being like in min day,

792
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the real world was good enough. Like that, I think

793
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.519
<v Speaker 2>is inevitably where that will be the breaking point. I

794
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>think for a lot of millennials, because like I'm open minded,

795
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I grew up on video games. I

796
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>turned out fine. You guys will be fine. But that's

797
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna be and they that, like one character who was

798
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 2>very anti tech finds a VR headset all of a

799
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>sudden finds that there's another option out there, and they

800
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of they explore that theme, and I found it

801
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 2>interesting they picked that because I've said for years that

802
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>will be the millennial breaking point of just like stop

803
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>stop acting this way, because I feel like my generation

804
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 2>goes out of their way to like, nah, live and

805
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>let live. We We we turned out fine. We were

806
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>told eminem and the Simpsons and Mortal Kombat, Yeah, and

807
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Grand Theft Auto, We're gonna turn us in, all these

808
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 2>crazy people. We turned out just fine.

809
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the majority of us. Yeah, although I would

810
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>make the case that the people who didn't it wasn't

811
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>directly affected by it.

812
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Those stiff exactly right. I mean, look at Mortal Kombat today,

813
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's hilarious to watch what they told us was

814
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>going to corrupt us in nineteen ninety four.

815
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, I totally forgot about the whole Mortal Kombat

816
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 1>thing because when I was growing up, I wouldn't even

817
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>had the inkling to play it or watch eventually watch

818
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 1>the films came out unless there's this big stink that

819
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 1>was put up, you know, like I gotta check this out.

820
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds awesome, exactly, And so these movies kind of

821
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>shine a spotlight on that. When I was in Thailand,

822
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 2>my friend even said, you kind of sound like a

823
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>boomer right now, And I'm like, I'm not trying to

824
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, like some of the stuff, Fathers, what.

825
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you make of who did the character Ingrid? Who

826
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>did she represent? Because she was very anti tech? Medically

827
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 1>she had to be anti tech, But then what did

828
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>being anti tech turn her into? She didn't have a

829
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>great job, she yeah, to me, it didn't suggest that

830
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>she liked her job, alienated from her parents, yep, I

831
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>assume at least, And she just seemed like a very

832
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>lonely person.

833
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>And it even it goes on much further in ways

834
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 2>that we can't go into this podcast, but it as

835
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 2>it reverberates.

836
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>But but the whole thing was like I don't know, man,

837
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like you rooted for her, but at

838
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 1>the same time, she's representing a section of the population

839
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that just is getting fewer and fewer, right, So I

840
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the meaning was there, Like like should

841
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>we should we be anti tech? Shit is you know,

842
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 1>regardless of whether we can be or not, But is

843
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 1>it better off to be anti tech? Because I think

844
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>that you know, the people that were pro AI and

845
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, the phones and the screens and

846
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>everything in this movie, they're not really viewed as like heroes.

847
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 1>They're not viewed as people you want to root for,

848
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>And yet you're kind of rooting for Ingrid, but it's like,

849
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 1>why would you root for her given what her forced

850
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>status or forced philosophy on technology was. Where did that

851
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>get her?

852
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>And to me, what sticks out is the overall mission

853
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, right, It wasn't to stop the AI.

854
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 2>You watched Terminator it ye, that's a great point. Bring

855
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that up to make sure this doesn't get built. This

856
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>movie addresses the inevitability of these technological advances and the

857
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>smart way versus the dumb way to go about it,

858
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 2>which is probably the best way to look at it.

859
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've been joking about it a couple of

860
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>times during this podcast. I just used AI for my

861
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>first time last week. I just yeah, it was to

862
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>do these freaking clips that it creates.

863
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Wonderful.

864
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>It's so convenient. But like I've always.

865
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never liked chat GPT or anything.

866
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Never used chat GTP, my GPT in my life. The

867
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 2>only reason I use Elon Musk's AI is whenever I

868
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 2>want to ask it to make Elon look stupid, and

869
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, well, Elon Musk's AI says this, that's

870
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the only time I've ever used it. I've never used

871
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>it for content creation. I've never used it to write

872
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>an article because I don't want it to know how

873
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I think. I think that's one of the few unique

874
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>things about me, is the way that I'm wired. And

875
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the more I type into AI, the more it's like,

876
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>oh so Ben checks these specific boxes and I can

877
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>now emulate that in a way I don't want to.

878
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that that that AI, that that you could actually

879
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>understand what AI thinks about you because that and the

880
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and the and then would you view that as a

881
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>realistic representation.

882
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a realistic representation at all.

883
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 1>What are you scared of?

884
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Because it's only going to get better and have I.

885
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>So eventually it's going to know you better than you

886
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>know yourself. And that's scary. Absolutely.

887
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Have I told the Jet Lee story on this podcast.

888
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Matrix is one of my favorite movies.

889
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen it? Yes? Okay? Good? Uh?

890
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>The Oracle has a bodyguard no name, Asian actor that

891
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be Jet Lee.

892
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

893
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>They offered him one hundred million dollars for that role.

894
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 2>What and he turned it down?

895
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>The first matrix. They were able to offer him one

896
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred million.

897
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Dollars because because they wanted to hook him up to

898
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 2>a mo cap suit, and in nineteen ninety nine he

899
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.079
<v Speaker 2>turned it down and everybody thought he was a crazy person,

900
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and they asked him, why didn't you do this role,

901
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and he said, because I've spent decades mastering my moves.

902
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 2>He says, nobody can do the moves the way that

903
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I do them. If I do this in a motion

904
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm paraphrasing, if I do this in a motion capture suit,

905
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>they will be able to use CGI to make it

906
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>look like anybody can do my moves, and I will

907
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>no longer be an asset anymore.

908
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 1>So he looked at it.

909
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>He might not have made a hundred million dollars the

910
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 2>rest of his career, but if you wanted somebody who

911
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 2>could do unique, wild stuff in a karate action flick,

912
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>you went to jet Lee because that was the only

913
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>way that you could get it. And I'd argue that

914
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen ninety nine, almost thirty years later, I

915
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.079
<v Speaker 2>think he looks like a genius, even though he might

916
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 2>never have made that kind of money outside.

917
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Of it fact. But then at the same time, it's

918
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 1>just like, Okay, that might be true, but now they

919
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>could do that regardless of emotion. You don't need motion

920
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 1>capture suits anymore to create CGI like that.

921
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>But I think for specific movements, like they still use

922
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.119
<v Speaker 2>motion capture suits like Andy Serkis had to be Caesar.

923
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 1>That is true. So that brings up another good point.

924
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Why do we need to still do this?

925
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>If?

926
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>If if our technology is becoming so good, why do

927
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>we still need.

928
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I got nothing on that, but like, clearly

929
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>there's extra elements there. But so I say all that

930
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to say, like, that's why I avoid using AI. Like

931
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>before I had a media career, I didn't do social media,

932
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I very much am ingrid, but like you're watching

933
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 2>me almost transition before your eyes, be like, I guess

934
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I gotta learn this shit because it doesn't seem like

935
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 2>it's going anywhere, and for the purposes of what you

936
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and I do for a living, you're kind of stupid

937
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>to not I use it daily.

938
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I have to, Like it's just I mean for me,

939
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 1>for like, for crafting social media posts, for crafting marketing emails,

940
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Like to me, it's it's such a time saver. Now granted,

941
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 1>and I've heard this before too, and I heard this

942
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>years ago. It might be true. I use a GPS

943
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 1>all the time in my Yes, that addicted all the time.

944
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Even if I know if I have the route memorized,

945
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I still use my GPS. Why Well, Number one, it's

946
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>because I tend to think about a lot of stuff

947
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>while I'm driving. I tend to listen to a lot

948
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of fantasy football podcast while I'm DRIVXIT exactly unless I

949
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>get that. Sometimes, dude, I'll even have the GPS route

950
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>set up, and if I don't have audio cues on,

951
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll still miss it. I've done that dozens of times.

952
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I do that. I've heard that GPS.

953
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Using GPS a lot is going to make us less

954
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>intelligent as humans because we're not using this part of

955
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>our brain that figures out what we need to do

956
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>without the aid of some sort of extra I do

957
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 1>believe that or whatever. And my whole and and whether

958
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that's true or not, that's fine, But my whole thing is, like, dude,

959
00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about my day. I'm trying to assimilate fantasy

960
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>football knowledge while I'm driving. The last thing I need

961
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to do is figure out where I'm going. Yeah, you know,

962
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I always said this is one guy went to college with.

963
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I always said, like, when I drive, driving is like

964
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the seventh priority, which is terrible to say. And I've

965
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 1>been in a car excidents before somebody, I shouldn't say that,

966
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>but that, But that's sort of like my thing on it.

967
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 1>And I do wonder as a society because if that's

968
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>true about GPS is and and we both agree that

969
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 1>it is, or we both at least at a minimum

970
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>believe it, what does that do for us living on screens,

971
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 1>computer screens, iPad screens, phone screens or whatever. And this

972
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:48.320
<v Speaker 1>movie really taps into this is what we think is

973
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a very realistic possibility, you know, in the range of outcomes,

974
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>right in the range of outcomes, this could happen so

975
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>much so that this guy gets sent back from the future, yeah,

976
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to sort of take care of this, to make sure

977
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>that And it wasn't even it wasn't even a matter

978
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 1>of like he wasn't coming back, Like you mentioned this earlier,

979
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't coming back to like take us back to

980
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a simpler time, right, because he's it's Rockwell's characters like, look,

981
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>this is going to happen regardless what we need to

982
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 1>make sure of is that that it literally does not

983
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>kill us.

984
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what the whole thing, you know, to take it

985
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.519
<v Speaker 2>into the real world. I had a story prepped for

986
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>today that I didn't have time to get into. They

987
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>are using AI agents like the you know, whether it's

988
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:41.760
<v Speaker 2>chat Ept's co pilot, what groc whatever the hell, yeah, Gemini. Yeah,

989
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 2>they're using it for wargame simulations. And regardless of which

990
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>AI you use, ninety five percent of the time it's

991
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>like three escalations in the AI is like, let's nuke them,

992
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and it takes my escalations and it's nineteen times out

993
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.159
<v Speaker 2>of twenty they're like, yeah, let's just nuke it. And

994
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>like that's where these things are at right now, and

995
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like the whole point of the movie is making sure

996
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 2>they're safeguards and not to get two into the outside

997
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the box weeds here. But there is a one company

998
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>called Anthropic that was just basically designated an enemy of

999
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 2>the state because they refused They refused to work with

1000
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the American government because they said they had two stipulations.

1001
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>They didn't want their software to be used to spy

1002
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>on people, and they didn't want it to be used

1003
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 2>to create weapons. That fire without human input, and the

1004
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.159
<v Speaker 2>US government was like, you know what, get out of here,

1005
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 2>and if anybody wants to work with us, they can't

1006
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 2>work with you. And so you've got simulations going straight

1007
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.840
<v Speaker 2>to nukes, and if you've got the US government saying

1008
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.559
<v Speaker 2>we want you to give us weapons that fire without

1009
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 2>humans doing anything, and then we're just like, oh no,

1010
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 2>this is fine.

1011
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:47.639
<v Speaker 1>This is absolutely That's why I'm watching this.

1012
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Movie and I'm like, oh my god, this If you

1013
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.159
<v Speaker 2>study this stuff the way I do, you're like, this

1014
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 2>hits on so many different levels.

1015
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think the obvious response to that is like, wow,

1016
00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, how could we as a peace will

1017
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 1>ever elect people that would be in a position two?

1018
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Because it's all of them, Well, hold on to elect

1019
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 1>somebody that would essentially use advanced chat GPT or AI

1020
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever to be in a position to make a

1021
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>major decision that's going to affect millions of people's lives. Right,

1022
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 1>And then I think about him, like, well, I never

1023
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>thought Donald Trump would get elected not once but twice,

1024
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and that happened, So anything's possible. We elect people that

1025
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>we believe represent ourselves. I mean, I think when people

1026
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 1>are voting that that is what they're thinking, Like, I

1027
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>want to vote for the person that I think best

1028
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 1>represents my interest in a sense would be most like myself.

1029
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 1>And I could easily see Tom, Dick and Harry. And

1030
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:50.840
<v Speaker 1>this is what I was going to bring. I shouldn't

1031
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 1>say this, and hopefully she doesn't hear this. I have

1032
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>a friend who utilizes chat GPT more than any human should, huh,

1033
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 1>and for decisions that should not be made by AI,

1034
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>including a life decision. So not.

1035
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I assumed you meant like trivial ones, but you mean.

1036
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like what should I eat? What? Yeah? Yeah, No,

1037
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 1>this was to like should I marry this person? Okay?

1038
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>And and you know, and my I was talking to

1039
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>my wife about this too, and she's like, you know

1040
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 1>you can for the way you frame a question to

1041
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>chat GPT, it'll give you the reasons for yes for no,

1042
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 1>depending upon how you frame it. And I'm like, dude, like,

1043
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you cannot. You can't ask AI should I marry this person?

1044
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 1>But maybe in five years that'll be normal. Exactly in

1045
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>ten years it'll be like you're stupid if you don't

1046
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.679
<v Speaker 1>do that first.

1047
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah you didn't ask yeah exactly, yeah no, yeah,

1048
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>And I mean this film kind of touches on that

1049
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>as well. With the students they had to ask it

1050
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>who Tossky was or whichever whichever Russian philosopher they were

1051
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>going to have them read Michael Paige's whole Yeah, and

1052
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the questions getting dumber and the questions get dumber and

1053
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.599
<v Speaker 2>dumber with each student, like to the point where it's

1054
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 2>just like, Yo, this is like a book, but it's

1055
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:14.079
<v Speaker 2>really old. Like it gets to that point and it's

1056
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, that's a very real thing I saw in

1057
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic. Uh, college grads are using AI to write

1058
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>their resumes. Companies are using AI to read the resumes,

1059
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and then it's just shooting all of them down. It's

1060
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 2>like a I can't even write a resume that gets

1061
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>accepted by AI.

1062
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.719
<v Speaker 1>You know. So I had I had a zoom call

1063
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>with this film director in Austin, Texas. He's actually going

1064
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to be shooting a movie up in Green Bay the

1065
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 1>end of next month, and he wants me to be like,

1066
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 1>he wants me on camera for it, but he also

1067
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 1>wants me to be a producer in it. And I

1068
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>can't really reveal what it's about, not that I'm not

1069
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't even brought that up. But he told me

1070
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>about this book and he's like, chapter ten or chapter

1071
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 1>eleven in this book is all about this subject that

1072
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 1>he wants to do it on it or whatever. And

1073
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking to myself, like, I'm not going to read

1074
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 1>this book. I'm much less a chapter in this book. Yeah,

1075
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.199
<v Speaker 1>And then like on C like he knew what I

1076
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>was thinking. He's like, and you could just go to

1077
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 1>chat GPT and say, hey, can you surmise what chapter

1078
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 1>ten of this book by this author is? And you know,

1079
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 1>like boom, it's right up there. Oh yeah, and writing

1080
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 1>resumes and reading resumes at this point, Ben, Isn't it

1081
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of stupid not to do? I mean, like it's

1082
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 1>all about working smarter, not working harder. Now, eventually, you know,

1083
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the robots take over and human intelligence fails or whatever,

1084
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>but man, it's going to be a sweet ride until

1085
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 1>we get there.

1086
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm so anti this nonsense that I filled out my

1087
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 2>performance review legitimately, Like I didn't even use my AI

1088
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 2>to be like, these are my goals for twenty twenty six.

1089
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I actually was like, all right, what am I

1090
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 2>trying to accomplish this year? And let's lay it out there.

1091
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I just I relate it to Ingrid so thoroughly other

1092
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 2>than like you know, the illness elements everything.

1093
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 1>But like no, I mean, but I think there's a

1094
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 1>there's a commentary on that too, like like we like

1095
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>we we all.

1096
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm Will Smith and I Robot, you know what I mean.

1097
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 2>There's always that guy is always portrayed as the guy

1098
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Speaker 2>who was like, ah, they should have listened to that guy.

1099
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>And that's where I've positioned myself as well.

1100
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Like you always bring up the religious woman in the midst. Yeah,

1101
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's not.

1102
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be her, though I want to

1103
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 2>be Will Smith. I get it.

1104
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>No, but I just I don't. Okay, well, let's talk

1105
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 1>about before we wrap things up. What did you make?

1106
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I could go for another hour, but.

1107
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, what do you make of the end?

1108
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 1>We didn't really talk about the movie were talking about because.

1109
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>We'd spoil so much. There's so little that you can

1110
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>talk about in the plot, because the plot is why

1111
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.679
<v Speaker 2>you go see this movie. Yeah, that's the best thing

1112
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I can say about it. Fifty four minutes into.

1113
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 1>The and like, I know, if something is it's binary

1114
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 1>unique as a binary descriptor. But We don't always use

1115
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 1>unique as a binary descriptor. We use it as like

1116
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a range of things, a scale of zero to ten,

1117
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>zero being I've seen this movie literally a thousand times

1118
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to ten. This is the only movie in existence like this.

1119
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>What's the uniqueness fact?

1120
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's hard. I'd probably have it at like four

1121
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 2>or five in terms of the actual plot points, motifs, themes,

1122
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 2>things like that, but probably closer to seven or eight

1123
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the way it's actually carried out on

1124
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the screen.

1125
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it the ending? What did you make of the ending?

1126
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 1>And is there a message in the ending? Yeah?

1127
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>So there's two kind of twists that take place. I

1128
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 2>think one of them you could see from a mile away.

1129
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 2>One of them completely got punched me. The overarching plot

1130
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 2>twist I knew halfway through. I'm like, oh, this is

1131
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.519
<v Speaker 2>how this is going to end? And sure enough, yeah.

1132
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Are you talking about the penultimates?

1133
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. The penultimate scene completely caught me off guard.

1134
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see that coming at all. I loved that.

1135
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was so really, what's the one that

1136
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 1>you could have seen coming?

1137
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, in like the last two minutes of the movie,

1138
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, oh, yeah, that's actual.

1139
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Son and everything. Yeah you saw that coming. Yeah, I don't.

1140
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 1>You're okay, So the one you didn't see coming is

1141
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>literally the final scene.

1142
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.559
<v Speaker 2>No, you're you're inverting it. I saw the final scene coming,

1143
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 2>but but yeah, okay, yeah, all the other stuff.

1144
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>But in order to see the final scene coming, don't

1145
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to see the penultimate twist?

1146
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.320
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I mean I'm not telling you more what

1147
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean off the air, but there there's.

1148
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's just get back to this. Yeah, this is

1149
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>what I want to ask you. Yeah, the final scene

1150
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 1>with those two characters. Is there a message to us

1151
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in how it how this situation quasi resolves itself? Or

1152
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>am I reading too much? I mean there are elements

1153
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 1>of Honestly, you know what's ironic?

1154
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it kind of to me? The ending scene is

1155
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 2>your last statement that you made like two minutes ago,

1156
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>when you were like, you know, the robots might take over,

1157
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 2>but until then, it's going to be a.

1158
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Hell of a round.

1159
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Essentially, what they're describing is the hell of a ride

1160
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>part in the final scene, and it's just like, look,

1161
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>everything's going to be totally awesome, and I'm going to

1162
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.960
<v Speaker 2>make sure that it's totally awesome, And that's kind of

1163
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 2>the technologies philosophy there. And I think there's a lot

1164
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:13.639
<v Speaker 2>of people, there's a lot more people.

1165
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Than I think.

1166
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I think listening to our voices right now, there's a

1167
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.119
<v Speaker 2>lot of people telling themselves I wouldn't succumb to this.

1168
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think there's a lot more people that want

1169
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to use this shit to write their emails and want

1170
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to use this shit to be told. Now, you are

1171
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 2>right about the decisions that you're making.

1172
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Trust me. I'm an Ai chap hand raised on that one. Yeah. Okay,

1173
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>So I've heard people say to me and just people

1174
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.760
<v Speaker 1>say in general that technology, it might be newer, but

1175
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:46.079
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily better, right, Okay, Yeah, And while I

1176
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's true for certain medial things, Ben dude, technology

1177
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 1>is so much better. Like, yeah, I mean there's certain

1178
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.920
<v Speaker 1>things that I get annoyed about, but ninety five point

1179
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>nine percent of everything that technolog Jesus like it has

1180
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 1>made our lives easier. It's been so much better. And

1181
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:06.199
<v Speaker 1>then these people that can you know, these you know,

1182
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>old men, crusty old men, a you know, it's all

1183
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, better back in the day when you know,

1184
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 1>we had to go to eighteen stores to get all

1185
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the things we need, we had to spend a whole

1186
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 1>weekend shopping. I like that a lot better than spending

1187
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.199
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes on Amazon and having everything automatically delivered to

1188
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>my house. Yeah what, Yeah, you know, you know what

1189
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

1190
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Like there's give and take. Though I've actually said this

1191
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 2>on my show before, because I'm clearly if you can't

1192
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 2>tell by this podcast today, I'm very skeptical of the

1193
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 2>implementation of AI.

1194
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>But I say I also I'm not well, I mean,

1195
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm skeptical of it because I think that when we've

1196
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 1>had the opportunity to utilize new and exciting things, humans

1197
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 1>are just I don't know if it's greed. I don't

1198
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 1>know if it's pride, I don't know if it's ego

1199
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.400
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is. We usually screw these things up,

1200
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:53.159
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

1201
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 2>But the comparison I always make is is like, if

1202
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>we were having this conversation thirty five years ago, would

1203
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.800
<v Speaker 2>we be saying the exact same stuff about the Internet.

1204
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd argue A lot of bad has come with the Internet,

1205
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 2>for sure, but mostly a lot of good stuff has come.

1206
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I would I mean, like the stuff I do for

1207
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 1>work could not do a shell of it. I would

1208
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>not be employed by either of my companies if it

1209
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for the Internet. But like, also, maybe that's true

1210
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 1>for most people. You're being spot.

1211
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, it's true for most. As a former sales guy,

1212
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:27.719
<v Speaker 2>I remember I was working with a bunch of people

1213
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 2>in their fifties when I was twenty four. We had

1214
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 2>sales Force as a software application. I had seven hundred

1215
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and fifty clients that I'd have to keep track and

1216
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 2>it would be like, hey, Ben, you haven't called this

1217
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.320
<v Speaker 2>client in ninety days, but oh, I should probably make

1218
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:42.599
<v Speaker 2>my voice heard and look at these guys. I'd be like,

1219
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 2>it's like in the eighties, what were you guys doing, Like, well,

1220
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 2>how would you keep Trackers say, like, we get a book,

1221
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 2>we'd look at the last time we wrote something in

1222
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the book.

1223
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.039
<v Speaker 1>I think sounds impossible. The whole thing that technology gives

1224
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 1>you a scalability, right. Fantasy football company I work for

1225
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago, twenty five years ago when we weren't

1226
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.480
<v Speaker 1>in business, came in business in two thousand and eight.

1227
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Turn in the century. There is the world champion with

1228
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>fantasy football, and you'd have a thousand people out in

1229
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas drafting their high stakes fantasy teams right over

1230
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the course of a weekend, which is awesome. You know what,

1231
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 1>We're way bigger than that company ever was, and we

1232
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.519
<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten close to a thousand people drafting at once.

1233
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Because of the Internet, people can draft their teams at home.

1234
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't have to fly anywhere. The ability to scale

1235
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sales is a perfect example. The ability to scale your

1236
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 1>client list and how much bigger you can become now

1237
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 1>because connectivity, Like you could be in Tokyo, you could

1238
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 1>be in Lisbon, you could be in sou Polo, and

1239
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.199
<v Speaker 1>you are a click away, you know what I mean.

1240
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And that is amazing and it's awesome, and I would

1241
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 1>say it's much more awesome than horrific.

1242
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:53.400
<v Speaker 2>But the trade off is agency and privacy. If the algorithm.

1243
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Agency privacy and expectations as well.

1244
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if the algorithm decides your sales company isn't gonna

1245
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 2>be seen, we're gonna put you on page five. Well, now,

1246
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, your business. Maybe you were on

1247
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Badge one and they could turn that off tomorrow if

1248
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you say or do the wrong thing. Our emails get

1249
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 2>spied on every day. Is that worth it? It depends

1250
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.599
<v Speaker 2>on who you asks. Yeah, but this AI conversation just

1251
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 2>feels like the next logical step in that conversation. And

1252
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be the guy who says, don't

1253
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>do the Internet. But at the same time, I don't

1254
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>want to be the guy that gave the Rubbers stamp

1255
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.119
<v Speaker 2>till whatever the hell is coming up next. And that's

1256
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the whole theme of this movie.

1257
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did I ever tell you? I might have asked you.

1258
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever watch the HBO show Silicon Valley.

1259
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You have asked me. I have not seen it. I'm

1260
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 2>familiar with this.

1261
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So basically you should watch it. It's awesome. Yeah. The

1262
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 1>way that the series wraps up is they came up

1263
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>with this algorithm for compression and that it could de

1264
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:56.639
<v Speaker 1>encrypt like anything, and they discover that it became too

1265
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>powerful that they could not unleash this on the world

1266
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:03.880
<v Speaker 1>because privacy would literally there would be zero privacy in

1267
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the world because of how powerful that they made. Yeah,

1268
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.159
<v Speaker 1>So they basically and they're presenting it this big conference

1269
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco. They basically had to train wreck it

1270
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.599
<v Speaker 1>on purpose so that nobody would ever, you know, find

1271
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.119
<v Speaker 1>out like how good this And they were geniuses, you know.

1272
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And then the very end of the show is there's

1273
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a hard drive with this algorithm on right, and they

1274
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 1>can't find it. Yeah, of course you don't know what

1275
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.239
<v Speaker 1>happened to it. Somebody has it somewhere, which.

1276
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's even the point of the Terminator series. You

1277
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 2>think they stop Judgment Day and Terminator to Judgment Day,

1278
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 2>and then you find out ten years later someone's gonna

1279
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 2>build this. Like, even if you destroy everything, all you

1280
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>did was set it back. That's the only thing. There's

1281
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna be someone smart enough to figure it out.

1282
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 1>The last thing I want to say about the ending

1283
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 1>is initially when I saw it, I'm like, boom sequel,

1284
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.119
<v Speaker 1>because you know how my mind point is, I'm always

1285
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.119
<v Speaker 1>like this is you know, because there's never really an

1286
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 1>end to any story. Every story really can take it.

1287
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And so the first thing I thought of is like, oh,

1288
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this is great. When we get the sequel, this would

1289
00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 1>be fantastic. And I was thinking about it, I'm like,

1290
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.199
<v Speaker 1>this isn't set up for a sequel. I hope it's not.

1291
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 1>I hope I don't. I don't think it is. I

1292
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think you can continue. I don't think you can

1293
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.480
<v Speaker 1>make another you could continue the story, it would not

1294
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 1>be anywhere near as compelling as this one.

1295
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree. I think it was. I don't

1296
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>want to say it was lightning in a bottle, but

1297
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I think this was a very interesting movie with themes

1298
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that are very fun to dive into. Like, I feel

1299
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:24.159
<v Speaker 2>like this is what Megan wants to be. This is

1300
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.039
<v Speaker 2>what so many technology movies want to be in terms

1301
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of entertainment mixed with high level commentary, and I feel

1302
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:34.920
<v Speaker 2>like this found a really nice blend of the two. Personally,

1303
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I like.

1304
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 1>The fact that Rockwell's character is allegedly from the future.

1305
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying that because every description I've seen says,

1306
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.519
<v Speaker 1>this man claims to be from the future. Yeah, so

1307
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I want I'll be real. That influenced the way I

1308
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 1>watched the movie that you kept saying, well, that's how

1309
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.400
<v Speaker 1>it was built, like, you know, because you don't know

1310
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.800
<v Speaker 1>if this guy's from the future or not. And and

1311
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I do like the way that he hit some great

1312
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.760
<v Speaker 1>one liners in this and like it was just it

1313
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was the perfect comedic spice on top of this intricate

1314
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:04.760
<v Speaker 1>story that was that was great.

1315
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I almost quoted one of the people, but it wouldn't

1316
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 2>make any sense. I'm still stuck on the conversation with

1317
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the parents at the at the house.

1318
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was great, just the hole.

1319
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Back and forth and like I like started off like

1320
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 2>casually laughing, and it just like kept building because every

1321
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.000
<v Speaker 2>next line.

1322
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 1>To the point should I be laughing at this? She told, fuck,

1323
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 1>but it just kills Yeah it was. And then with

1324
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the human advertisements too, I thought was great.

1325
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 2>That was fantastic, which like again, like I said, a

1326
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of unique ideas, but very few things we haven't

1327
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 2>seen before, because that's Truman show.

1328
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Remember when the Yeah that's true, He's like, what the

1329
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.239
<v Speaker 1>hell are you doing? At a great point, I totally

1330
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>forgot about that.

1331
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've seen this stuff all the time. But it

1332
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:54.760
<v Speaker 2>was done in a very cool way. I refuse to

1333
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 2>do back to back ten. So I'm giving it a

1334
01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.039
<v Speaker 2>nine only because I wish and I know you're gonna

1335
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.960
<v Speaker 2>put it on the production company. I don't give an

1336
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.280
<v Speaker 2>ish the trailer. I wish it had more confidence to

1337
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:07.000
<v Speaker 2>not show so much of his hand before you got

1338
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 2>But what if.

1339
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 1>It would what if it would have done that? Ben?

1340
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 1>But I mean you still weren't going to give it

1341
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 1>a ten. I don't know, man, you might I might

1342
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 1>have backed back ten. Huh, who knows? Who knows?

1343
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Someone said I should turn it into a catchphrase like

1344
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a ten. Yeah, I'm not if I'm going to

1345
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.199
<v Speaker 2>say it's a nine. Solid story, solid acting, fun plot.

1346
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, there's enough plot twist that I didn't

1347
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.159
<v Speaker 2>predict everything that was going to happen. It made me laugh.

1348
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>What else do you need?

1349
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give it an eight, and the reason

1350
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.599
<v Speaker 1>for that was number one. This is not I mean

1351
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.199
<v Speaker 1>I I always rate these films on my personal enjoyment,

1352
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 1>not what I think the masses would like.

1353
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:45.599
<v Speaker 2>So this is not Yeah, I don't give a crap.

1354
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:46.320
<v Speaker 2>This is this is me.

1355
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:48.559
<v Speaker 1>That's fine, but you should rate it that way.

1356
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then you should as well. I'm not going to wait,

1357
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 2>you're doing it for the mass.

1358
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm doing it personal. That's what I'm saying.

1359
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying I don't rate movies for what I think

1360
01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the masses would like. I'm rating it based on my

1361
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 1>personal joint masses can go down. Now, well, this this

1362
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.840
<v Speaker 1>is not like although I will say that you've really

1363
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of turned me onto this bizarre sci fi genre

1364
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 1>sort of, it's not my cup of tea. But I

1365
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 1>still can enjoy that. So I'm not gonna it's already

1366
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.480
<v Speaker 1>out of the running for ten because it's I and

1367
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I have this thing too where I kind of make

1368
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.239
<v Speaker 1>up my mind before a movie if I'm gonna like

1369
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it or not. And this one I kind of made

1370
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:21.679
<v Speaker 1>up my mind. I'm like, I think this is gonna

1371
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 1>be good. It will be great, but I think it's

1372
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna be good. Yeah. So and then I just I

1373
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I should probably be giving it extra points

1374
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 1>for the absurdity that happens in the last third of

1375
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie or maybe yeah, last third of the movie

1376
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:38.519
<v Speaker 1>or so, it's just sometimes I think it was absurdity

1377
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.280
<v Speaker 1>for absurdity's sake, yeahl random. Yeah, And I'm just like, okay,

1378
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't and and that was to me that that

1379
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 1>rubs me the wrong way a little bit. It's still funny, yeah,

1380
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:50.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just so I give it an eight,

1381
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 1>which is listen, I can't imagine a lot of people

1382
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 1>going to this movie and saying, oh, that was stupid. Yes,

1383
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Speaker 1>some people will. I think most people.

1384
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I did look it up. It got eighty five critics

1385
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and audience got My.

1386
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Wife knew I told my wife the plot of this movie.

1387
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, do you want to watch a movie?

1388
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Because we had nothing new on Sunday afternoon, So do

1389
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to go see a movie? And she's like, yeah,

1390
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.039
<v Speaker 1>which one? And I said, good luck, have fun, don't die.

1391
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 1>She's like what. So she immediately she's turned off by

1392
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the title. Then I gave her the three sentence description

1393
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:22.320
<v Speaker 1>of it. She's like, no, I'm not seeing that, Like,

1394
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 1>let me share the trailer. I'm not interested in the trailer.

1395
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:26.519
<v Speaker 1>So she was out on it right now. Oh wow,

1396
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:28.280
<v Speaker 1>she'd be one of these people to be like and

1397
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.880
<v Speaker 1>she went to it. She's like, that's totally stupid, you

1398
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Speaker 1>know which I mean, it's it's fine because like some

1399
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 1>people like you know again, I make up my mind

1400
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:37.800
<v Speaker 1>whether I'm gonna like something or not. She probably would

1401
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>have made up her mind that this is going to

1402
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.079
<v Speaker 1>be dumb watch it.

1403
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and if it's not your cup of tea,

1404
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:43.639
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely not her cup of tea.

1405
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, exactly. By the way, that whole thing I

1406
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:48.639
<v Speaker 1>played on the said on the podcast last week that

1407
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I said I'd never let my wife listen to. I

1408
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.760
<v Speaker 1>played it for Saturday night, so she heard that whole section,

1409
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:59.119
<v Speaker 1>and basically she said, you know what, I think we

1410
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 1>should just agree that if either one of us has

1411
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a chance to sleep with a celebrity, they do it. Yeah,

1412
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 1>And I said, I sign off on that hardly. So

1413
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.039
<v Speaker 1>now we have we have a Rossqueller friends past.

1414
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was really the ultimate goal of

1415
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 2>this podcast. We could hang it up right now.

1416
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that mission accomplished, right, I feel like George

1417
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Bush hanging up the sign. Mission accomplished. There's no reason

1418
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.199
<v Speaker 1>to go for it. But we will press on.

1419
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so you got to do this on the

1420
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.400
<v Speaker 3>show or on the show? Yeah, okay, yeah, So the

1421
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.559
<v Speaker 3>two now these are just mine too. If you have

1422
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:32.239
<v Speaker 3>something else great scream seven.

1423
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Comes out, okay, I figured one.

1424
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I you know, i'd have to catch up

1425
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:38.880
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know at what point I stopped watching them,

1426
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.079
<v Speaker 1>but I know I've seen several, which is fine. I

1427
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 1>don't mind it because those are those are fun cam'ty,

1428
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.039
<v Speaker 1>yeah for sure, and they're usually not very long. The

1429
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.000
<v Speaker 1>other one, and I can't think of the name of it, okay,

1430
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Powell is in it, okay, and it's it's something

1431
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to the effect of he has to kill all of

1432
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 1>his family members in order to get this inheritance or something. Oh,

1433
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:04.599
<v Speaker 1>I did see that how to Make a Killing? How

1434
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to Make a Killing? Yeah, yes, so there's that one,

1435
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 1>which I think is a pretty unique you know, and

1436
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like I think, I don't think he was the only

1437
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 1>one in it. I thought that there's like the cast

1438
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.599
<v Speaker 1>is pretty good. I don't know who directed it at all,

1439
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:16.519
<v Speaker 1>but those were the two I came up with.

1440
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Margaret Quality, Jessica Henwick, Toafer, Grace ed Harris, Zach Woods.

1441
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Zach Woods from Silicon Valley.

1442
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I that one definitely called. Well, I'll

1443
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.320
<v Speaker 2>tell you what, why don't we do that one then?

1444
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm I'm good, But that's the way I was leaning. Yeah,

1445
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.159
<v Speaker 1>let's do that how to make and that? Now, can

1446
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.320
<v Speaker 1>we confirm that is out? Because I didn't look at

1447
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.199
<v Speaker 1>it super close. I'll get a text message from you

1448
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:42.519
<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday. Hey, it's not a.

1449
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Hey I'm at Scream seven because.

1450
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's not. Because how to Make a Kill.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have twelve hours to watch to watch, to

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<v Speaker 1>watch three scream movies or whatever. Yeah, not that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to watch all the screams, but I just I

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<v Speaker 1>do think you absolutely would need to. Really. Yeah, are

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<v Speaker 1>you all caught up on it? Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's already out, came out the twentieth Okay, we're good. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do that then.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, how to make a killing next week?

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<v Speaker 2>That's good, that's exciting. All right, guys, good luck, have fun,

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<v Speaker 2>don't die, go see it, let us know what you think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk to you next week
