Speaker 1: Bucky.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite kind of sandwich is a pizza broad.
Speaker 1: Oh come on now, why would you? Why would you?
Speaker 1: You cannot do that? So I was I'm glad you
Speaker 1: mentioned this because I'm an appeal to our crowd. Yes,
Speaker 1: please do right at the top of the show, please do.
Speaker 1: The Wisconsin Timber Ratlers and Apton, Wisconsin local minor league team,
Speaker 1: one of the best minor league teams in the country,
Speaker 1: has an annual food fight and they ask fans to
Speaker 1: submit a recipe for a different item on their menu.
Speaker 1: Could be a burger, could be a sandwich, could be
Speaker 1: a side, could be you know, French fries. Whatever. So
Speaker 1: this year they chose brats, and one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: people submitted and I was lucky enough to be one
Speaker 1: of the finalists. Yes, remind me again what it was.
Speaker 1: It is the Grand Southwest Grand Slam. Yes, they did
Speaker 1: not do it the way I wanted them to do it,
Speaker 1: but that's okay because they have really talented chefs there
Speaker 1: that are going to put it together. I wanted a
Speaker 1: Brios roll, okay, okay, and and they put on a
Speaker 1: Brioche pun, which means they split the brat in half.
Speaker 1: Halopenno cheddar brought from Salomon's Meads. They split the brought
Speaker 1: in half and they made an X on it, which
Speaker 1: I think that's why I'm gonna lose, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get chosen, because who's going to want to
Speaker 1: buy that right now? I haven't heard people who've actually
Speaker 1: tasted and said, no, it's phenomenal, like this is I bet?
Speaker 1: Nick Vitrano from Kiss FM said I crushed it. Leo said,
Speaker 1: Leo tried all five of them, all five that are finalists,
Speaker 1: and Leo said that mine was the only one with flavor.
Speaker 1: Is good? All right? But anyway, So it's a briosch
Speaker 1: roll uh spread with avocado crema and then you have
Speaker 1: this jalapenno cheddar brought on it top with pickled onions,
Speaker 1: roasted corn, and black bean salsa with cilantro on lime.
Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd never eat any of them, but I
Speaker 2: also don't eat sandwiches, so I really am not a
Speaker 2: good test of character case.
Speaker 1: So if you're not going to eat it, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Here's how I view for yours, and how do you vote?
Speaker 1: Timber Ratlers dot com is where to go or If
Speaker 1: you follow Tim Ratlers on Facebook or x they have
Speaker 1: posts on there, but the easiest way to go to
Speaker 1: timber ratlers dot com. Right on that homepage, there's a
Speaker 1: food fight kind of like blurb. Click on that and
Speaker 1: there's a link in there to vote vote number one
Speaker 1: Southwest grand Slain. How long does this go? March fifth?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, good, we'll talk about this on the show
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: Is that's remember I said I was gonna have a
Speaker 1: mission for HBO. This is the mission.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool. I only came across it because it was adorable.
Speaker 2: I never see you on Facebook ever. But now I'm
Speaker 2: a social media guy, as you know, in big time.
Speaker 1: I don't really again, like I said this, the only
Speaker 1: time I post on social media is when I'm promoting myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now I'm a final five finalists, and now I'm promoting.
Speaker 2: Myself and your wife is helping. And I saw her
Speaker 2: post and you went underneath it and put thanks honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And I liked both her post and your post. And
Speaker 2: that's the only reason I knew this was happening.
Speaker 1: Yes, he posted as well, and our good buddy El Grande.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get it up there as well. Then I
Speaker 2: want I want to fit in on this too, then,
Speaker 2: but I'm pulling for you. But I was joking. The
Speaker 2: pizza brot probably sucks, probably made by a bad person,
Speaker 2: So don't vote for that.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not concerned necessarily that. When there's a
Speaker 1: hot honey brought that I'm not too concerned with. I
Speaker 1: think that two toughest ones are gonna be the poutine.
Speaker 1: There's a poutine one which is great, sounds delicious, and
Speaker 1: then the Ruben brought too. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are all about the Ruben. If you
Speaker 1: look on social media, if you look on the Post
Speaker 1: and the timber Ratlers, you know, when they gave you
Speaker 1: the five finalists, it always seems like one. Everybody's saying one,
Speaker 1: three and five which is mine, the Ruben brought and
Speaker 1: the poutine, and everybody seems to be settling it on
Speaker 1: three and five rather than one, which is fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the lame. The Appleton postcrests in the local newspaper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a story on it, and they posted the
Speaker 1: photo of mine twice in their article, which I think
Speaker 1: is good. However, I'm not the main image on that
Speaker 1: I think they chose the hot honey brought for that.
Speaker 1: And then on wl l UK Channel eleven here in
Speaker 1: the Fox Valley, they did a story on it and
Speaker 1: they used my recipe as the main phoont.
Speaker 2: You got to get on your old time slot and
Speaker 2: make sure that they push it out there as well,
Speaker 2: because that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean listen, I've posted on it like I have
Speaker 1: a show. I have a fantasy football show tomorrow, I
Speaker 1: have one on Friday. I will be pumping that up.
Speaker 1: I've had some people that that view my show that
Speaker 1: have already said they contacted me on x that they
Speaker 1: voted as well. So okay, we're going nationwide.
Speaker 2: There we go. I dig that, I dig that. I'm
Speaker 2: pooling for you, man. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got a good feeling, all right. I honest to god,
Speaker 2: I could keep talking about this and the show is
Speaker 2: called off topic, but I have I have looked forward.
Speaker 1: Enough to talking about this with you, Balky.
Speaker 2: I said to you off the air, this was gonna
Speaker 2: be my my colde open until I remembered that you
Speaker 2: were in the competition. But I was gonna say, like
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be the cynic The Jaded, The Jaded
Speaker 2: Movie Guy of the two of us and we are
Speaker 2: realistically outside of Anaconda. Twenty twenty six has been a
Speaker 2: great year for the podcast really, and these last two
Speaker 2: weeks have been absolutely phenomenal. This week of course being
Speaker 2: and I really have to do this right, good Luck,
Speaker 2: Have Fun, Don't Die?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, See, to me, having fun is the most
Speaker 2: important part, so I always want to put that first
Speaker 2: before good Luck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It is a little weird, ye you know, to
Speaker 1: have it, and it comes in into the movie that
Speaker 1: there is a this is part of the movie. It's
Speaker 1: not just like a random like, oh, we named it
Speaker 1: this because we thought it was cute. It does have
Speaker 1: something new with the movie. But good Luck, Have Fun,
Speaker 1: Don't Die is the latest movie that we're reviewing today.
Speaker 1: It stars Sam rock Bell, Hilly lu Richardson, Zazzi Beats,
Speaker 1: Michael Pana. Directed by Gordon Verbinski, who you may remember
Speaker 1: directed Rango, the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies,
Speaker 1: and some other things I can.
Speaker 2: Which I don't know if you If you knew this
Speaker 2: about me, I did not know the director of the
Speaker 2: Pirates of the Caribean, but the original Pirates is in
Speaker 2: my top ten movies. It came out when I was fifteen.
Speaker 2: It just like hit at the right time. I saw
Speaker 2: it in theaters. I actually, I think I might have
Speaker 2: told this story, but I went to the theaters with
Speaker 2: my family and might show. They were like, what do
Speaker 2: you want to see? I think it was like my
Speaker 2: birthday or something. Yeah, and my dad was like, I
Speaker 2: really want to see this Pirates movie. And I was like,
Speaker 2: sounds stupid, not interested. Let's do twenty eight days later
Speaker 2: because this both came out at the same time. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: and I picked that. I was disappointed with that, and
Speaker 2: I saw Pirates two weeks later in theaters. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is one of the greatest things I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in my life. And I think it made me hate
Speaker 2: twenty eight thays later even more that it was so good.
Speaker 2: But I love those movies. So when you told me
Speaker 2: that yesterday, it's the same director that elevated that elevated
Speaker 2: my expectations of this movie, and I would say it's
Speaker 2: still exceeded what I was expecting when I went to
Speaker 2: go see it.
Speaker 1: Personally. I read some critics say that there are very
Speaker 1: few directors that could have pulled this movie off, which
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with, but they said Gord Verbinsky
Speaker 1: was the right guy for the job, and based on
Speaker 1: our analysis and viewing of this movie, hard to argue.
Speaker 1: I mean it like the as far as the direction goes,
Speaker 1: as far as really everything goes in this movie, I
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of complaints.
Speaker 2: Not at all, and like to me, I agree with
Speaker 2: that sentiment honestly that only certain directors could pull this off,
Speaker 2: because I think there's a lot of people and I
Speaker 2: will use an example, and this is someone who I
Speaker 2: did deeply respect as an actor.
Speaker 1: Yea, Peter Dinklic.
Speaker 2: Sure he is what I refer to and I did
Speaker 2: not invent this term, but I like using it for him.
Speaker 2: I refer to him as lol random, Like he's not
Speaker 2: funny random, yes, Like it's like, oh, look how wacky
Speaker 2: I am, but like it's uh, I include Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 2: in that conversation. It's like, look, how strange and quirky
Speaker 2: I am. And it's like, I don't like you're trying
Speaker 2: too hard to be that, Like actual quirky people are
Speaker 2: just the best example is Hugh Jackman is a strange,
Speaker 2: freaking dude. Yeah, yes, he is way more quirky than
Speaker 2: Ryan Renolds. But Ryan Reds is like, look how wacky
Speaker 2: I am? And then meanwhile, Hugh Jackman, it's a very
Speaker 2: understated like, Ah, that dude's weird and I like him
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: All Right, So a couple of things I want to
Speaker 1: just piggyback on this. Yeah, Ryan Reynolds, I always think
Speaker 1: it's weird for him to be living in real life
Speaker 1: because I think myself included view him like the way
Speaker 1: he talks in movies, the dialogue he has in movies,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of type cast. Absolutely absolutely, how does
Speaker 1: he do that in real life? It's totally different. I
Speaker 1: was watching a Denzel Washington interview today and it's like,
Speaker 1: how do these guys who are so good on screen
Speaker 1: with memorizing lines that were written for them? Like, it's
Speaker 1: totally different when you hear him talking real life. And Reynolds,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a huge letdown because nobody has
Speaker 1: the right one liners like he does.
Speaker 2: It's like Tony Stark versus although Robert Downey Jr. Is
Speaker 2: a funny dude in real life, but like it's the
Speaker 2: same idea he did.
Speaker 1: They did this thing at the Oscars a few years
Speaker 1: ago where they were interviewing all these actors and directors
Speaker 1: about what drama is and what film is and what
Speaker 1: cinema is, and Robert Towne Junior is one of them,
Speaker 1: and he was the only one that was like and
Speaker 1: not poking fun of it, but being funny. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: else is taking it very seriously. So he's kind of
Speaker 1: like that in real life. And then I don't agree
Speaker 1: on Peter Dinklic. I don't believe he's like this quirky like.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying he was just recently in the movie
Speaker 2: Toxic or Toxic Avenger.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also he had a recurring role in thirty Rock.
Speaker 2: Anytime he said at that yeah really yeah, anytime he's
Speaker 2: in a comedic role, it's like he's like, oh look,
Speaker 2: how like Novenger was just loud and obnoxious, Like it
Speaker 2: wasn't funny. I didn't enjoy it very much. And I
Speaker 2: think I would have liked it more if the lead actor.
Speaker 2: I think I would have actually been entertained from a
Speaker 2: comedic standpoint, because you knew he thought that he was
Speaker 2: eating the scenery up and I was just like, ah, man,
Speaker 2: you just you don't pull. This isn't the type of
Speaker 2: person you are, and that's fine. But I say all
Speaker 2: that to say this movie could have been the Peter
Speaker 2: dinklinch type of movie. You're like, Ah, you're trying way
Speaker 2: too hard to be weird. This hit all. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh no, this is the exact level of weird. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like you're trying at all. This just flows.
Speaker 2: And that's the best compliment that I can give a
Speaker 2: movie like this.
Speaker 1: Just real quick to put a button on this. You
Speaker 1: know who is like that? For me? John ham Like,
Speaker 1: why are you describing? Yeah, tries too hard to be funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is an SNL like within the last couple of
Speaker 1: years where they're taking questions from the audience and he was,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the plants in the audience, and
Speaker 1: his question was, am I funny? You know? He said
Speaker 1: that to the host And if you did you watch
Speaker 1: the Confess Fletch movie, the latest Fletch movie. That's John
Speaker 1: Hammond stead Chevy Chase. It was weird because he's such
Speaker 1: a good looking guy and obviously has this reputation for
Speaker 1: Don Draper on Mad Men. It's weird to like see
Speaker 1: him be comedic like it's just you don't know if
Speaker 1: it's if he's dead panting, if he's being serious or whatever.
Speaker 2: He was in Tag I don't remember in particularly.
Speaker 1: And then getting back to Dinklage, he was the in
Speaker 1: the comedy Elf, small small role in that, and I'm
Speaker 1: like racking my brain. I'm like, what other comedies or
Speaker 1: like whatever comedic roles has he been in. I really
Speaker 1: can't think of anything, but Ben I'll bring this up
Speaker 1: and if you haven't watched it, he hosted SNL during
Speaker 1: the peak of the powers of Game of Thrones, right,
Speaker 1: he was hilarious. He did this space pants sketch with
Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani where he was like this weird dancer at
Speaker 1: this club while these gangsters are trying to have like
Speaker 1: a meeting to like either kill each other exchange money.
Speaker 1: And then he did another one where it was two
Speaker 1: couples out to dinner at a former brothel in New
Speaker 1: York City and they had glory holes. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can say that on the podcast. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: giving it. They had glory holes in this brothel, right,
Speaker 1: but they when they redid it and made a restaurant,
Speaker 1: they never took the glory holes out, so all the
Speaker 1: food to serve through gloryholes. So it's like bread and
Speaker 1: corn dogs and corn on the cob. And he is
Speaker 1: just he's not trying to be funny, like he's just funny.
Speaker 1: Like it's just hilarious, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I did not see Toxic Covender, so I got it
Speaker 1: right now, and I was excited for that. We talked
Speaker 1: about doing it on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that movie came and went very quickly in theaters.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, I say.
Speaker 1: That, so circle this, circle this back here. You're just
Speaker 1: saying like, basically, there was a possibility where there could be,
Speaker 1: like the movie itself could be trying too hard to
Speaker 1: be quirky, to be unique, to be funny in sort
Speaker 1: of a I don't know.
Speaker 2: The best way I can describe it is when it's
Speaker 2: when it but it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It's like when a drama club kid tries to be
Speaker 2: too weird and you're just like, ah, this sucks. That's
Speaker 2: that's the way I look.
Speaker 1: At I was watching mal Rats clips the other day,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And this is true of clerks, like any
Speaker 1: like early Kevin Smith stuff. The dialogue is so weird,
Speaker 1: so forced, and I don't know if that was intended
Speaker 1: or not, but like seeing guys like Jason Lee and
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck and Ethan Sutley and and I can't remember
Speaker 1: it was Jason or Jeremy Lonnon and that it just
Speaker 1: it looks like you're watching like a high school yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know if that's intended or not,
Speaker 1: but it is a little like watching it now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a certain nostalgic aspect that I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: but it's still a little off putting. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, is that just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like this tangent and I promise we'll get back
Speaker 2: to the movie to those of you listening, But I
Speaker 2: will say I believe Quentin Tarantino changed dialogue in movies
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. You'd have people in movies talking
Speaker 2: about movies talking. We talking the way you and I
Speaker 2: do right now, but it would be dialogue in a movie,
Speaker 2: and you never really saw it like that before. To me,
Speaker 2: Kevin Smith watched that and was like, I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 2: but he's not Quentin Tarantino. And I love Kevin Smith,
Speaker 2: I love Jay and Silent Bob. I love Clerk's Clerks.
Speaker 2: I think the budget for the first one was like
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars made one point six million. I love
Speaker 2: that story. Ye, but it's what happens when someone who
Speaker 2: maybe isn't as much of an a tour as Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantino is kind of tries his hand more traditional sounding dialogue,
Speaker 2: but it just kind of sounds cheesy and outdated in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite nineties sitcoms is news Radio. I
Speaker 1: think I've read heard up to you before, and there
Speaker 1: is one episode where two people were arguing over who
Speaker 1: Mushmouth was and who dumb Donald was on the old
Speaker 1: Fat Albert Show. Yeah, and all of a sudden, another
Speaker 1: character says, Okay, now I feel like I'm gonna Quentin
Speaker 1: Tarantino movie because that's the kind of stuff you have,
Speaker 1: just this random stuff. The whole big Back conversation in
Speaker 1: the car between Samuel Jackson and John Travolta. Pulp fiction,
Speaker 1: What the hell's the point of that? But it's legendary now,
Speaker 1: like it's it's like it's like baked into like you
Speaker 1: think of pulp fiction, you think of Libig Meca.
Speaker 2: You know, like literally a Simpson scene where like they
Speaker 2: don't call it a krusty burger with cheese.
Speaker 1: So so, so anyway, you could be right on Tarantino
Speaker 1: because like his his films are you know, it's a
Speaker 1: Tarantino movie.
Speaker 2: When you're watching immediately just from the you don't even
Speaker 2: need to watch it, you just need to hear it
Speaker 2: and you're like, no, that's uh, that's exactly what I
Speaker 2: think exactly. But but yeah, so, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know how we got on to Kevin Smith from.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. It's not important. Let's get back
Speaker 1: to this movie. The gist of this, the setup of
Speaker 1: this is a man from the future claiming to be
Speaker 1: from the future. I should always say that to set
Speaker 1: you up. Maybe is from the future, maybe he's not,
Speaker 1: but he claims to be from the future. And he
Speaker 1: walks into this Los Angeles diner ten ten at night.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was crucial or not, but
Speaker 1: they made a point of yeah in the movie, and
Speaker 1: he basically is dressed kind of weird. He looks very homeless, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's dressed like a homeless person, and
Speaker 1: he claims that the right combination of people are in
Speaker 1: that diner to save the future of the world, because
Speaker 1: he knows what the world turns into and we could
Speaker 1: save it tonight. And then the whole thing is trying
Speaker 1: to recruit people. Some people go along with them, some
Speaker 1: people don't, and the adventures start. I said on your show,
Speaker 1: we were talking about this non linear storytelling. We get
Speaker 1: some backstories, flashbacks to how these characters came to be
Speaker 1: in this diner, how they came to be the people
Speaker 1: that they were to a certain point, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a huge degree. And then we actually get the the
Speaker 1: the process and the result. But and maybe we get
Speaker 1: into themes right away. Obviously the theme hand heavy handed
Speaker 1: on the role of artificial intelligence. Yeah, and phone usage
Speaker 1: and phone usage. And speaking of phone usage, I'm watching
Speaker 1: this and I'm on my phone on my phone right now.
Speaker 1: I'm on my phone all the time then, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, God, I I have got to stop.
Speaker 2: So can I say so, as you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: TikToker now.
Speaker 1: And follow me every because like you do that for work.
Speaker 2: No, but no, no, no. So I posted something that
Speaker 2: kind of hit minutes before I went into the theater,
Speaker 2: and so like I would bring up TikTok, and it
Speaker 2: would be like seven more likes, and I'd wait four
Speaker 2: more minutes and be like thirteen more likes. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think this might catch a little fire here. And
Speaker 2: for the first half of the movie, I'd say every
Speaker 2: five minutes I was checking to see and then and
Speaker 2: I've never been that guy ever and the theme of
Speaker 2: the movies, You're so pervasive talk fifth, fifth, yeah, but
Speaker 2: so like it actually did okay, And I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: watching the movie, watching how the kids aren't putting the
Speaker 2: phone down, watching the opening scene when they show you
Speaker 2: every table and the server walks by and everyone's on
Speaker 2: their phone, and I'm just like, it didn't resonate with
Speaker 2: me until about halfway through, and I'm like, dude, this
Speaker 2: movie's good. Check this out when you get home. And
Speaker 2: I put the like I had to actively, and had
Speaker 2: we been watching Send Help, I don't know that I
Speaker 2: would have made that.
Speaker 1: It was heavy handed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I would have made the
Speaker 2: connection that I need to put this down and just
Speaker 2: enjoy the freaking movie, especially given the fact that it
Speaker 2: was two hours and fifteen minutes and it felt like
Speaker 2: I was there for like thirty.
Speaker 1: It flew really didn' drag. I read somewhere human evolution,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a mural of human evolution posted
Speaker 1: in this I know what you're gonna say, Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: you don't know what I'm gonna say. I'm just in references.
Speaker 1: But the final part of human evolution is in this
Speaker 1: mural that's depicted in the movie. Is this guy with
Speaker 1: one of those heads VR headsets on and his head
Speaker 1: is slumped down and yeah, you know, just walking and
Speaker 1: it's like the evolution of man, you know whatever. I
Speaker 1: read an article and I can't remember where this was,
Speaker 1: and they wanted make it abundantly clear that this is
Speaker 1: not anywhere near happening. But if people continue to walk
Speaker 1: around with their heads down, buried in their phones, because
Speaker 1: and I don't know how they explain this, but it
Speaker 1: made sense human evolution could evolve into us growing horns
Speaker 1: out of the back of our heads, something with like
Speaker 1: the structure or the pose or whatever something like that.
Speaker 1: And again, this is not like a couple generations away.
Speaker 1: This is like thousands and thousands of years you know,
Speaker 1: down the road that humans if this phone like the
Speaker 1: way we treat technology, and we were constantly with our
Speaker 1: chin in our chest. Horns might be starting to grow
Speaker 1: out of the back of human beings heads. I gotta
Speaker 1: find that article. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2: But you know what's crazy is I mean, this is
Speaker 2: my stupid memory that if you know me, you know
Speaker 2: this is what I'm good for. We used to read
Speaker 2: Time for Kids when we were in sixth grade and
Speaker 2: there was an article when I was in sixth grade
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, it shows the evolution of
Speaker 2: man and then it's almost like the de evolution and
Speaker 2: it shows someone hunched over a keyboard and basically looks
Speaker 2: like the first iteration when it happens. And that was
Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety nine, and they were telling you,
Speaker 2: like we kind of see the trajectory, like the Kammonos
Speaker 2: has got their first computer in nineteen ninety eight and
Speaker 2: it was like exactly the kind of computer you think
Speaker 2: it is in that era, and they were calling their
Speaker 2: shot then and here we are. I mean, iPhones were
Speaker 2: a decade later and the rest is history. But I
Speaker 2: mean this hit on so many I think worries it
Speaker 2: took part as a terminator. Like I know you don't
Speaker 2: watch the show, but this was to me three episodes
Speaker 2: of Black Mirror with a through line kind of connecting
Speaker 2: all of those episodes. And there actually are two or
Speaker 2: three episodes of Black Mirror that are the exact formula
Speaker 2: where it's two or three, but that each story is like,
Speaker 2: you know, ten minutes and then it tells like a
Speaker 2: whole story in an hour. That was the way that
Speaker 2: it looked at this. This touches on a lot of fears,
Speaker 2: takes them too in my opinion, A like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say logical conclusion because you see how why
Speaker 2: some of the crap is that happens in this movie.
Speaker 2: But before.
Speaker 1: I want to explore that more. But before we get
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the wild crap. So I
Speaker 1: compared this to you and I and I said, it's
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree sorry to bother you. Which can
Speaker 1: we spoil that or no? Yeah, okay, so I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to bother you. It's a telemarketing a guy who's trying
Speaker 1: to make money telemarketing, right, and one thing leads to another.
Speaker 1: He's unpeeling the layers of an onion and we find
Speaker 1: out that there is this like horse cocaine that people
Speaker 1: are snorting oblivious to that it actually turns them into
Speaker 1: like horse people. Yeah, a weird turn, like the weirdest
Speaker 1: turn that we've we've seen in cinema.
Speaker 2: My favorite of the decade in ten years.
Speaker 1: So I said, there is a turn in this movie
Speaker 1: that's similar to that. Not to the degree of absurdity,
Speaker 1: but there is a pretty absurd part in this and
Speaker 1: I'm like, and Sam Rockwall's character is kind of setting
Speaker 1: us up for you know, when they're at that house
Speaker 1: where so you know something weird is gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: then something weird happens, and then it was like, something
Speaker 1: really weird happens, and I'm like, what the hell am
Speaker 1: I watching? And that was and that was the first
Speaker 1: thing I thought of was Sorry to Bother You Again,
Speaker 1: not to the same degree, but to the level of like,
Speaker 1: how does this play into this story right now? Well?
Speaker 2: Can I say? And this is why I loved this
Speaker 2: movie but it's not going to get a perfect score
Speaker 2: is because I remember seeing Sorry to Bother You advertised,
Speaker 2: and I remembered going into it and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this looks like it's gonna be the black perspective of
Speaker 2: Office Space. I'm like, that could be a pretty cool
Speaker 2: movie to watch, and it in no way hinted at
Speaker 2: the two thirds plot twist. It in no way hinted
Speaker 2: at the greater socioeconomic They have the perfect jobs where
Speaker 2: people no longer work for money and they just work
Speaker 2: for room and board, and you have you have all
Speaker 2: these different elements all coalescing that the trailer will confident
Speaker 2: enough that it gave you like ten percent of what
Speaker 2: the plot was going to be. And I was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that plot interests me. Half of the trailer was in
Speaker 2: the final fifteen minutes of this movie. They show in
Speaker 2: the trailer like, it's not a spoiler, you can watch
Speaker 2: the trailer. They show a giant hoof in the trailer, don't.
Speaker 1: Tell you how it relates to.
Speaker 2: They show you a scene that basically looks like it's
Speaker 2: the last scene in Toy Story when all the scary
Speaker 2: toys come out to scare sid. They show you that's
Speaker 2: the trailer.
Speaker 1: And I remember the wires or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the trailer, and they show you the baby
Speaker 2: doll heads, which is what sticks out to me from
Speaker 2: Toy Story. And this was all in the trailer, and
Speaker 2: I feel like there was enough meat on the bones
Speaker 2: if you would have just shown me the first ten minutes.
Speaker 2: If the trailer would have been just different clips of
Speaker 2: Sam Rockwell in that diner trying to convince people that
Speaker 2: this was a good idea, I'd still would have been
Speaker 2: telling you, let's go see this movie and.
Speaker 1: Just like maybe like because the other thing we did
Speaker 1: to bring up is the people with the pig masks, yes,
Speaker 1: that are kind of after him. That was bizarre in it,
Speaker 1: and they you know, I just and did they ever
Speaker 1: really explain the pig mask thing?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, they didn't. There was some stuff left unexplained.
Speaker 2: And for the record, there's still a ton of strange
Speaker 2: crap that we're not going to spoil for you that
Speaker 2: was not in the trailer. There was one I had
Speaker 2: a classic Ben Kommeno's moment in the trailer. There's a
Speaker 2: conversation between a mother meeting two other parents and they're
Speaker 2: talking about a shared experience they had with their children,
Speaker 2: and they're talking about one of their kids being racist.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't still hold on in this movie. Yeah
Speaker 2: you don't remember, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's two mothers.
Speaker 2: No, it's a mother talking. It's one of the main
Speaker 2: characters talking to a married couple. It's a black man
Speaker 2: and a white woman, okay, and the guy says, yeah,
Speaker 2: our daughter's a little racist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that part. I remember that I
Speaker 1: was the only one in the theater. Temple's also in
Speaker 1: this movie. I forgot about that too. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: another one that I heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all weird as hell, and that's not spoiled
Speaker 2: at all, and.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: There's there's plenty of weirdness that goes on spoiled. I
Speaker 2: wish this movie would have been a little more confident
Speaker 2: to maybe not play as much of its hand in
Speaker 2: the trailer, because I was sitting there waiting for the
Speaker 2: moments that caught my eye in the.
Speaker 1: That's a production company thing, that's not that's not an earth.
Speaker 1: Oh sure.
Speaker 2: But like I mean, I think I say it all
Speaker 2: the time about Civil War. You didn't have to put
Speaker 2: Spider Man in the trailer. I was freaking gonna go
Speaker 2: see Civil War. You could have hit me like a ton.
Speaker 1: Of I I I'm telling you, that's that's a casual thing.
Speaker 1: Like when people have people who have been avoiding Marvel
Speaker 1: because they don't care, you know, for years, and then
Speaker 1: you have this one that has all these characters and
Speaker 1: you're introducing Spider Man finally into the MCU. See, I
Speaker 1: got gotta put him in there for for us, No,
Speaker 1: we don't need that, yeah, but for for like that
Speaker 1: the what do they call in politics, Like there's uh,
Speaker 1: there's there's you know, the left side, the right moderates,
Speaker 1: the moderates. Yeah, you know, like the people could kind
Speaker 1: of give to craps and then if all Spider Man's
Speaker 1: in this one, I'm there.
Speaker 2: You know, I guess I wish and like this movie
Speaker 2: it doesn't have any brand recognition and they lean into
Speaker 2: that with U with one character that like what what
Speaker 2: character are you? And like I loved that because there's
Speaker 2: there's nothing recognizable about this. As we've highlighted a couple
Speaker 2: of times some of the cast. Sam Rockwell obviously huge
Speaker 2: blockbuster guy.
Speaker 1: Did you agree with me that you think like you
Speaker 1: thought he'd be in the movie more. I felt like
Speaker 1: I felt like he was in it a lot, but
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be in it more. Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't put off by it. Okay, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I wasn't put off by I guess I was surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I just have a different because
Speaker 2: it's like when I said Keanu Reeves was in was
Speaker 2: in Ballerina for fifteen minutes, You're like, it was longer
Speaker 2: than fifteen minutes. And we looked it up and it
Speaker 2: was like seventeen minutes. You were like, see, So like
Speaker 2: I feel like we just have a different perspective. Like
Speaker 2: to me, that was definitely longer than a cameo. I
Speaker 2: got enough.
Speaker 1: Sam Rockwell, yeah, I wasn't craving more. I just was.
Speaker 1: I just thought i'd see more. I guess maybe because
Speaker 1: there was so much exposition on Zazzi Beats and Michael
Speaker 1: Penis characters, Hailey Lou Richardson's character, we did get to
Speaker 1: see some background on Sam Rockwell as a kid, Sam
Speaker 1: Rockwall's character as a kid. And was there another flashback
Speaker 1: or was that it? I feel like there's oh ah,
Speaker 1: Judo Temple's character. Yeah, I can't remember what her name
Speaker 1: was now I have it up here. And then and
Speaker 1: then the other thing that we didn't talk about, Susan Susan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how in this just do we find out what year
Speaker 1: this was taking place? It was at present day? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know Okay, but in this reality,
Speaker 1: in this film, how prevalent, not prevalent, how common commonplace
Speaker 1: school shootings are. Yeah, I mean just like it to
Speaker 1: the point where it wasn't even affecting some of the
Speaker 1: parents at all. Yeah, it's just like, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it was all very because like weapons to me,
Speaker 2: which we saw for the purposes of this podcast. It
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a metaphor for it was a
Speaker 2: very light handed metaphor. But it's like, you know, why
Speaker 2: this teacher's class all the kids go missing. It was
Speaker 2: clearly you know, playing on the school shooting motif, but
Speaker 2: not in a way that would be heavy handed, especially
Speaker 2: for people that might you know, why are there politics
Speaker 2: in my movie? This wasn't afraid to do it at all,
Speaker 2: and it's still felt very like I was like, no,
Speaker 2: this is basically where we're at right now, not in prevalence,
Speaker 2: but in attitude towards it.
Speaker 1: Well, and then the one that senior referencing before when
Speaker 1: the when them, I think those moms God, which is like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference, They're just going to shoot each other anyway.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, is your child completely unhymned?
Speaker 1: Well, it was. It was wild stuff. And and obviously
Speaker 1: that wasn't even the most ridiculous you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 2: And I mean there's a whole Michael Painis thing was
Speaker 2: basically like an updated version of the Faculty, which anyone
Speaker 2: who knows he knows I love the Faculty, and uh
Speaker 2: and and that was giving me faculty vibes the entire time.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, but yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a body snatcher type of thing infused
Speaker 2: with some tech and in a way that I could
Speaker 2: have watched a whole movie of just that. I'll be
Speaker 2: real all, Like I said, it's just like Black merr
Speaker 2: I would have watched a feature length of any of
Speaker 2: the premises placed in front of us. They basically took
Speaker 2: four different movies and tied them together in a way
Speaker 2: that was such a payoff. Like they say, he starts
Speaker 2: the movie off, Sam walkwell stop starts it off, saying.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that too. That they get right into
Speaker 1: it right away, right just boom.
Speaker 2: And he says, whoever comes with me, you're gonna chip
Speaker 2: in in some way, and they do so many I
Speaker 2: didn't even realize there was stuff that I didn't know
Speaker 2: the answer to until later in the movie. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that, and then he realized,
Speaker 2: like going on sabbatical and what does that mean? I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: So he realized, Oh, there's actually a way deeper meaning
Speaker 2: to that that I didn't even consider. Like you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's a shady thing that clearly it's not actually sabbatical.
Speaker 2: But then they give you that answer, and like there's
Speaker 2: so many little moments like that that absolutely paid off.
Speaker 1: I do like, and I talk to my wife about
Speaker 1: this because she didn't watch it with me. Did I
Speaker 1: just go out or am I still Oh? I'm still
Speaker 1: going okay, fine, all of a sudden, my ear phones
Speaker 1: went out. Headphones. The role of teachers versus students in
Speaker 1: this movie too, Yeah, Like, I wonder how many teachers
Speaker 1: watch this and they're like, yeah, we know this is satire,
Speaker 1: this is not real, but man, it feels real. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you this.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I do
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion of teachers pay and funding for
Speaker 2: schools and how do we get our literacy rates to
Speaker 2: be higher and all that as a non parent, And
Speaker 2: there's some people that will interact with my radio show
Speaker 2: and say, Ben, you're not a parent.
Speaker 1: You just don't.
Speaker 2: It's not like when you were in school anymore. Obviously
Speaker 2: this was too an absurdiest degree degree. But how relatable
Speaker 2: did you find it in terms of well, I'm not
Speaker 2: a teacher, but like are your kids on the phone?
Speaker 2: Like like do you know these kinds of things? Like
Speaker 2: do you always have contact with them?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I'll preface my answer by saying this,
Speaker 1: have you seen the trailer for Toy Story five? I haven't, No, Okay,
Speaker 1: So did you see how many Toy Stories have you seen?
Speaker 1: Just the first three? Okay? So the fourth one is
Speaker 1: kind of like a takeoff on it. What would you
Speaker 1: say the theme is in those Toy Story movies? What's
Speaker 1: the overarching theme for me?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: So, wh I've always said that every movie is the
Speaker 2: exact same, like like the toys are like, we need
Speaker 2: to get out and we need to go to this
Speaker 2: place it's better, and then they get there they're like,
Speaker 2: actually it was better where.
Speaker 1: I was broad your scope on this, brought your scope
Speaker 1: on it a little bit. Think about the humans in
Speaker 1: the in the Toy Story movies? Just growing up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's just like coming of age. Yeah, change happens,
Speaker 1: whether it's for the good for the better, it's just right.
Speaker 1: Well I shouldn't say right, it just happens inevitable. It's inevitable,
Speaker 1: like Thanos all comes back to Marble exactly. The trailer
Speaker 1: for Toy Story five could not be more on the nose. Then,
Speaker 1: what would you think would be knowing that this movie
Speaker 1: is coming out in twenty twenty six? Yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you think that the the antagonist would be in a
Speaker 1: movie about toys and kids? What do you think the
Speaker 1: antagonist would be in this movie? And by the way,
Speaker 1: it is based on the trailer, it is the villain.
Speaker 2: I'd have to guess it's like a console or something
Speaker 2: because they're all like old school toys and like they're
Speaker 2: gonna be competing against an iPad.
Speaker 1: It is something called the Lily Pad okay, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is basically an ipade. And this girl who got by
Speaker 1: the way, the girl who got all these toys, and
Speaker 1: she was playing with the toys at the start, and
Speaker 1: is it Andy's kids. No, it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: neighbor that remember we gave all the toys. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's her and then she gets this lily pad, and
Speaker 1: all her friends have lily pads, and none of the
Speaker 1: toys get played with anymore because she's on this screen.
Speaker 2: Which is literally the promise of the first movie, Like
Speaker 2: buzz Lightyear was like the.
Speaker 1: Malty, but that's still a toy. And I think Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks's character says something that like, you know, toys are
Speaker 1: for fun, but tech is for everything. The pig, when
Speaker 1: he realized, is that he's never gonna be played with,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I got DIBs behind the dresser, and
Speaker 1: then the dinosaur goes, oh, great extinction again. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a lot of it's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff with it, and and it's true because like
Speaker 1: I know, like when I I'm trying to get my
Speaker 1: kids gifts for birthdays and Christmas, like when I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was the same when you're growing up.
Speaker 1: We got toys. Yeah, when we were a kid. It
Speaker 1: became and my kids are twelve and ten now, but
Speaker 1: it's become the last four years or so, tougher and
Speaker 1: tougher to get them toys to play with. When everything
Speaker 1: revolves around the screen, everything revolves, Oh I want Roebucks
Speaker 1: you know, for frow blocks, you know whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: they want all this stuff or whatever, so I can
Speaker 1: identify with it, and that to me is totally different
Speaker 1: than when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: grew up out of little toddler toys, but I was
Speaker 1: still getting totally baseball bats, basketballs, yeah, you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I was still getting stuff to physically play
Speaker 1: with and be active, and I can't remember. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is your question about my kids, yeah, and how they
Speaker 1: are right now. There is a fantasy football podcaster I
Speaker 1: listened to. His name is JJ. I think it's JJ
Speaker 1: zacher Reson. I listened to so many sometimes I get
Speaker 1: mixed up. But he said about iPad usage with kids.
Speaker 1: Who am I to say that my kids should not
Speaker 1: be well versed into something that's going to be pretty
Speaker 1: vital to them when they're in their teens in their twenties,
Speaker 1: Like they should be familiar with tech, they should know
Speaker 1: how to use tech or whatever. So for him, it
Speaker 1: was more like, I don't want to shut down screen time.
Speaker 1: I got to balance this out for what the world's
Speaker 1: becoming and how my kids need to adapt to thature.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't looking at like screen time is evil,
Speaker 1: screen time is necessary. It's it's the balancing act, right
Speaker 1: And so for me right now, for my kids, that's
Speaker 1: sort of how I take it, Like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I like I played computer games video games as a kid, Like,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to call out my kids for
Speaker 1: not doing that. But at the same time, it is
Speaker 1: a little weird for me knowing how much I had
Speaker 1: to read real books and write real stuff back in
Speaker 1: the day and now I'm not. And they socialized like
Speaker 1: we used to grow it's different. It's totally different because
Speaker 1: most of the socialization is done virtually digitally. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what I fix, sure or whatever, And it's totally different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I always cause there's a couple of
Speaker 2: years in between us, and like video games were a
Speaker 2: little more prevalent when I was growing up, Like I
Speaker 2: got toys and we got video games. They're always joke
Speaker 2: up my show, I say, but the game sucked, like
Speaker 2: you couldn't sit there. But like Nintendo games were hard
Speaker 2: as shit, you know what I mean. Like GoldenEye, which
Speaker 2: is a classic to the guys of a lot of millennials,
Speaker 2: had eight maps, Like you're only gonna play that for
Speaker 2: so long, whereas Call of Duty it's ten minutes, ten minutes,
Speaker 2: ten minutes, game after game, all of a sudden, six
Speaker 2: hours goes by. You're playing with people around the world.
Speaker 2: If I were ten years old, it would have been
Speaker 2: a lot harder to get me out and throw football
Speaker 2: around compared to it's like, you know what, I've had
Speaker 2: enough of this game. Let's go outside and do something else.
Speaker 2: So it's different, But I'm always cognizant of me being
Speaker 2: told you're not gonna have any social skills, You're not
Speaker 2: going to know how to talk. And meanwhile, I don't
Speaker 2: shut the hell up, and I'm always social on the
Speaker 2: weekends and go out and do things. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to be that person who's like, well I didn't
Speaker 2: have this growing up, and it's going to ruin you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's.
Speaker 1: Just normal human nature to feel that way. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is I like where I'm at
Speaker 1: right now. This is what got me here. I want
Speaker 1: the same thing for my kids, you know, because but
Speaker 1: that's not.
Speaker 2: My is The thing that will push our generation over
Speaker 2: the brink is when virtual reality actually gets good, which
Speaker 2: they dabble in in this movie A little bit and
Speaker 2: there will be people U There is a theme in
Speaker 2: this movie that has been explored a thousand times over
Speaker 2: in Black Mirror, in Adventure Time. And if I thought enough,
Speaker 2: I could give you ten more examples of if the
Speaker 2: virtual reality world is it was in Ready Player one,
Speaker 2: If it's better in the virtual world for people. Who
Speaker 2: are you to say, oh, come out of the virtual one?
Speaker 1: What was the one with Florence Pugh and Harry Styles, Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry about don't worry Darling exactly? Another example, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, who are you to say? Leave that?
Speaker 2: But like as people that lived in reality will all
Speaker 2: sit there in our sixties being like in min day,
Speaker 2: the real world was good enough. Like that, I think
Speaker 2: is inevitably where that will be the breaking point. I
Speaker 2: think for a lot of millennials, because like I'm open minded,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I grew up on video games. I
Speaker 2: turned out fine. You guys will be fine. But that's
Speaker 2: gonna be and they that, like one character who was
Speaker 2: very anti tech finds a VR headset all of a
Speaker 2: sudden finds that there's another option out there, and they
Speaker 2: kind of they explore that theme, and I found it
Speaker 2: interesting they picked that because I've said for years that
Speaker 2: will be the millennial breaking point of just like stop
Speaker 2: stop acting this way, because I feel like my generation
Speaker 2: goes out of their way to like, nah, live and
Speaker 2: let live. We We we turned out fine. We were
Speaker 2: told eminem and the Simpsons and Mortal Kombat, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Grand Theft Auto, We're gonna turn us in, all these
Speaker 2: crazy people. We turned out just fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the majority of us. Yeah, although I would
Speaker 1: make the case that the people who didn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: directly affected by it.
Speaker 2: Those stiff exactly right. I mean, look at Mortal Kombat today,
Speaker 2: like it's hilarious to watch what they told us was
Speaker 2: going to corrupt us in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: You know, I totally forgot about the whole Mortal Kombat
Speaker 1: thing because when I was growing up, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: had the inkling to play it or watch eventually watch
Speaker 1: the films came out unless there's this big stink that
Speaker 1: was put up, you know, like I gotta check this out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds awesome, exactly, And so these movies kind of
Speaker 2: shine a spotlight on that. When I was in Thailand,
Speaker 2: my friend even said, you kind of sound like a
Speaker 2: boomer right now, And I'm like, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like some of the stuff, Fathers, what.
Speaker 1: Do you make of who did the character Ingrid? Who
Speaker 1: did she represent? Because she was very anti tech? Medically
Speaker 1: she had to be anti tech, But then what did
Speaker 1: being anti tech turn her into? She didn't have a
Speaker 1: great job, she yeah, to me, it didn't suggest that
Speaker 1: she liked her job, alienated from her parents, yep, I
Speaker 1: assume at least, And she just seemed like a very
Speaker 1: lonely person.
Speaker 2: And it even it goes on much further in ways
Speaker 2: that we can't go into this podcast, but it as
Speaker 2: it reverberates.
Speaker 1: But but the whole thing was like I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you rooted for her, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, she's representing a section of the population
Speaker 1: that just is getting fewer and fewer, right, So I
Speaker 1: don't know what the meaning was there, Like like should
Speaker 1: we should we be anti tech? Shit is you know,
Speaker 1: regardless of whether we can be or not, But is
Speaker 1: it better off to be anti tech? Because I think
Speaker 1: that you know, the people that were pro AI and
Speaker 1: and and you know, the phones and the screens and
Speaker 1: everything in this movie, they're not really viewed as like heroes.
Speaker 1: They're not viewed as people you want to root for,
Speaker 1: And yet you're kind of rooting for Ingrid, but it's like,
Speaker 1: why would you root for her given what her forced
Speaker 1: status or forced philosophy on technology was. Where did that
Speaker 1: get her?
Speaker 2: And to me, what sticks out is the overall mission
Speaker 2: of the movie, right, It wasn't to stop the AI.
Speaker 2: You watched Terminator it ye, that's a great point. Bring
Speaker 2: that up to make sure this doesn't get built. This
Speaker 2: movie addresses the inevitability of these technological advances and the
Speaker 2: smart way versus the dumb way to go about it,
Speaker 2: which is probably the best way to look at it.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've been joking about it a couple of
Speaker 2: times during this podcast. I just used AI for my
Speaker 2: first time last week. I just yeah, it was to
Speaker 2: do these freaking clips that it creates.
Speaker 1: Wonderful.
Speaker 2: It's so convenient. But like I've always.
Speaker 1: I've never liked chat GPT or anything.
Speaker 2: Never used chat GTP, my GPT in my life. The
Speaker 2: only reason I use Elon Musk's AI is whenever I
Speaker 2: want to ask it to make Elon look stupid, and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, well, Elon Musk's AI says this, that's
Speaker 2: the only time I've ever used it. I've never used
Speaker 2: it for content creation. I've never used it to write
Speaker 2: an article because I don't want it to know how
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's one of the few unique
Speaker 2: things about me, is the way that I'm wired. And
Speaker 2: the more I type into AI, the more it's like,
Speaker 2: oh so Ben checks these specific boxes and I can
Speaker 2: now emulate that in a way I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that that AI, that that you could actually
Speaker 1: understand what AI thinks about you because that and the
Speaker 1: and the and then would you view that as a
Speaker 1: realistic representation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a realistic representation at all.
Speaker 1: What are you scared of?
Speaker 2: Because it's only going to get better and have I.
Speaker 1: So eventually it's going to know you better than you
Speaker 1: know yourself. And that's scary. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Have I told the Jet Lee story on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Matrix is one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? Yes? Okay? Good? Uh?
Speaker 2: The Oracle has a bodyguard no name, Asian actor that
Speaker 2: was supposed to be Jet Lee.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: They offered him one hundred million dollars for that role.
Speaker 2: What and he turned it down?
Speaker 1: The first matrix. They were able to offer him one
Speaker 1: hundred million.
Speaker 2: Dollars because because they wanted to hook him up to
Speaker 2: a mo cap suit, and in nineteen ninety nine he
Speaker 2: turned it down and everybody thought he was a crazy person,
Speaker 2: and they asked him, why didn't you do this role,
Speaker 2: and he said, because I've spent decades mastering my moves.
Speaker 2: He says, nobody can do the moves the way that
Speaker 2: I do them. If I do this in a motion
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, if I do this in a motion capture suit,
Speaker 2: they will be able to use CGI to make it
Speaker 2: look like anybody can do my moves, and I will
Speaker 2: no longer be an asset anymore.
Speaker 1: So he looked at it.
Speaker 2: He might not have made a hundred million dollars the
Speaker 2: rest of his career, but if you wanted somebody who
Speaker 2: could do unique, wild stuff in a karate action flick,
Speaker 2: you went to jet Lee because that was the only
Speaker 2: way that you could get it. And I'd argue that
Speaker 2: was in nineteen ninety nine, almost thirty years later, I
Speaker 2: think he looks like a genius, even though he might
Speaker 2: never have made that kind of money outside.
Speaker 1: Of it fact. But then at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, that might be true, but now they
Speaker 1: could do that regardless of emotion. You don't need motion
Speaker 1: capture suits anymore to create CGI like that.
Speaker 2: But I think for specific movements, like they still use
Speaker 2: motion capture suits like Andy Serkis had to be Caesar.
Speaker 1: That is true. So that brings up another good point.
Speaker 1: Why do we need to still do this?
Speaker 2: If?
Speaker 1: If if our technology is becoming so good, why do
Speaker 1: we still need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got nothing on that, but like, clearly
Speaker 2: there's extra elements there. But so I say all that
Speaker 2: to say, like, that's why I avoid using AI. Like
Speaker 2: before I had a media career, I didn't do social media,
Speaker 2: Like I very much am ingrid, but like you're watching
Speaker 2: me almost transition before your eyes, be like, I guess
Speaker 2: I gotta learn this shit because it doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: it's going anywhere, and for the purposes of what you
Speaker 2: and I do for a living, you're kind of stupid
Speaker 2: to not I use it daily.
Speaker 1: I have to, Like it's just I mean for me,
Speaker 1: for like, for crafting social media posts, for crafting marketing emails,
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's it's such a time saver. Now granted,
Speaker 1: and I've heard this before too, and I heard this
Speaker 1: years ago. It might be true. I use a GPS
Speaker 1: all the time in my Yes, that addicted all the time.
Speaker 1: Even if I know if I have the route memorized,
Speaker 1: I still use my GPS. Why Well, Number one, it's
Speaker 1: because I tend to think about a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: while I'm driving. I tend to listen to a lot
Speaker 1: of fantasy football podcast while I'm DRIVXIT exactly unless I
Speaker 1: get that. Sometimes, dude, I'll even have the GPS route
Speaker 1: set up, and if I don't have audio cues on,
Speaker 1: I'll still miss it. I've done that dozens of times.
Speaker 1: So that's why I do that. I've heard that GPS.
Speaker 1: Using GPS a lot is going to make us less
Speaker 1: intelligent as humans because we're not using this part of
Speaker 1: our brain that figures out what we need to do
Speaker 1: without the aid of some sort of extra I do
Speaker 1: believe that or whatever. And my whole and and whether
Speaker 1: that's true or not, that's fine, But my whole thing is, like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my day. I'm trying to assimilate fantasy
Speaker 1: football knowledge while I'm driving. The last thing I need
Speaker 1: to do is figure out where I'm going. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I always said this is one guy went to college with.
Speaker 1: I always said, like, when I drive, driving is like
Speaker 1: the seventh priority, which is terrible to say. And I've
Speaker 1: been in a car excidents before somebody, I shouldn't say that,
Speaker 1: but that, But that's sort of like my thing on it.
Speaker 1: And I do wonder as a society because if that's
Speaker 1: true about GPS is and and we both agree that
Speaker 1: it is, or we both at least at a minimum
Speaker 1: believe it, what does that do for us living on screens,
Speaker 1: computer screens, iPad screens, phone screens or whatever. And this
Speaker 1: movie really taps into this is what we think is
Speaker 1: a very realistic possibility, you know, in the range of outcomes,
Speaker 1: right in the range of outcomes, this could happen so
Speaker 1: much so that this guy gets sent back from the future, yeah,
Speaker 1: to sort of take care of this, to make sure
Speaker 1: that And it wasn't even it wasn't even a matter
Speaker 1: of like he wasn't coming back, Like you mentioned this earlier,
Speaker 1: he wasn't coming back to like take us back to
Speaker 1: a simpler time, right, because he's it's Rockwell's characters like, look,
Speaker 1: this is going to happen regardless what we need to
Speaker 1: make sure of is that that it literally does not
Speaker 1: kill us.
Speaker 2: That's what the whole thing, you know, to take it
Speaker 2: into the real world. I had a story prepped for
Speaker 2: today that I didn't have time to get into. They
Speaker 2: are using AI agents like the you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: chat Ept's co pilot, what groc whatever the hell, yeah, Gemini. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're using it for wargame simulations. And regardless of which
Speaker 2: AI you use, ninety five percent of the time it's
Speaker 2: like three escalations in the AI is like, let's nuke them,
Speaker 2: and it takes my escalations and it's nineteen times out
Speaker 2: of twenty they're like, yeah, let's just nuke it. And
Speaker 2: like that's where these things are at right now, and
Speaker 2: like the whole point of the movie is making sure
Speaker 2: they're safeguards and not to get two into the outside
Speaker 2: the box weeds here. But there is a one company
Speaker 2: called Anthropic that was just basically designated an enemy of
Speaker 2: the state because they refused They refused to work with
Speaker 2: the American government because they said they had two stipulations.
Speaker 2: They didn't want their software to be used to spy
Speaker 2: on people, and they didn't want it to be used
Speaker 2: to create weapons. That fire without human input, and the
Speaker 2: US government was like, you know what, get out of here,
Speaker 2: and if anybody wants to work with us, they can't
Speaker 2: work with you. And so you've got simulations going straight
Speaker 2: to nukes, and if you've got the US government saying
Speaker 2: we want you to give us weapons that fire without
Speaker 2: humans doing anything, and then we're just like, oh no,
Speaker 2: this is fine.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely That's why I'm watching this.
Speaker 2: Movie and I'm like, oh my god, this If you
Speaker 2: study this stuff the way I do, you're like, this
Speaker 2: hits on so many different levels.
Speaker 1: And I think the obvious response to that is like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's you know, how could we as a peace will
Speaker 1: ever elect people that would be in a position two?
Speaker 1: Because it's all of them, Well, hold on to elect
Speaker 1: somebody that would essentially use advanced chat GPT or AI
Speaker 1: or whatever to be in a position to make a
Speaker 1: major decision that's going to affect millions of people's lives. Right,
Speaker 1: And then I think about him, like, well, I never
Speaker 1: thought Donald Trump would get elected not once but twice,
Speaker 1: and that happened, So anything's possible. We elect people that
Speaker 1: we believe represent ourselves. I mean, I think when people
Speaker 1: are voting that that is what they're thinking, Like, I
Speaker 1: want to vote for the person that I think best
Speaker 1: represents my interest in a sense would be most like myself.
Speaker 1: And I could easily see Tom, Dick and Harry. And
Speaker 1: this is what I was going to bring. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say this, and hopefully she doesn't hear this. I have
Speaker 1: a friend who utilizes chat GPT more than any human should, huh,
Speaker 1: and for decisions that should not be made by AI,
Speaker 1: including a life decision. So not.
Speaker 2: I assumed you meant like trivial ones, but you mean.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like what should I eat? What? Yeah? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: this was to like should I marry this person? Okay?
Speaker 1: And and you know, and my I was talking to
Speaker 1: my wife about this too, and she's like, you know
Speaker 1: you can for the way you frame a question to
Speaker 1: chat GPT, it'll give you the reasons for yes for no,
Speaker 1: depending upon how you frame it. And I'm like, dude, like,
Speaker 1: you cannot. You can't ask AI should I marry this person?
Speaker 1: But maybe in five years that'll be normal. Exactly in
Speaker 1: ten years it'll be like you're stupid if you don't
Speaker 1: do that first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you didn't ask yeah exactly, yeah no, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean this film kind of touches on that
Speaker 2: as well. With the students they had to ask it
Speaker 2: who Tossky was or whichever whichever Russian philosopher they were
Speaker 2: going to have them read Michael Paige's whole Yeah, and
Speaker 2: the questions getting dumber and the questions get dumber and
Speaker 2: dumber with each student, like to the point where it's
Speaker 2: just like, Yo, this is like a book, but it's
Speaker 2: really old. Like it gets to that point and it's
Speaker 2: like that, that's a very real thing I saw in
Speaker 2: the Atlantic. Uh, college grads are using AI to write
Speaker 2: their resumes. Companies are using AI to read the resumes,
Speaker 2: and then it's just shooting all of them down. It's
Speaker 2: like a I can't even write a resume that gets
Speaker 2: accepted by AI.
Speaker 1: You know. So I had I had a zoom call
Speaker 1: with this film director in Austin, Texas. He's actually going
Speaker 1: to be shooting a movie up in Green Bay the
Speaker 1: end of next month, and he wants me to be like,
Speaker 1: he wants me on camera for it, but he also
Speaker 1: wants me to be a producer in it. And I
Speaker 1: can't really reveal what it's about, not that I'm not
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even brought that up. But he told me
Speaker 1: about this book and he's like, chapter ten or chapter
Speaker 1: eleven in this book is all about this subject that
Speaker 1: he wants to do it on it or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, like, I'm not going to read
Speaker 1: this book. I'm much less a chapter in this book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then like on C like he knew what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. He's like, and you could just go to
Speaker 1: chat GPT and say, hey, can you surmise what chapter
Speaker 1: ten of this book by this author is? And you know,
Speaker 1: like boom, it's right up there. Oh yeah, and writing
Speaker 1: resumes and reading resumes at this point, Ben, Isn't it
Speaker 1: kind of stupid not to do? I mean, like it's
Speaker 1: all about working smarter, not working harder. Now, eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: the robots take over and human intelligence fails or whatever,
Speaker 1: but man, it's going to be a sweet ride until
Speaker 1: we get there.
Speaker 2: I'm so anti this nonsense that I filled out my
Speaker 2: performance review legitimately, Like I didn't even use my AI
Speaker 2: to be like, these are my goals for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Like I actually was like, all right, what am I
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish this year? And let's lay it out there.
Speaker 2: I just I relate it to Ingrid so thoroughly other
Speaker 2: than like you know, the illness elements everything.
Speaker 1: But like no, I mean, but I think there's a
Speaker 1: there's a commentary on that too, like like we like
Speaker 1: we we all.
Speaker 2: I'm Will Smith and I Robot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There's always that guy is always portrayed as the guy
Speaker 2: who was like, ah, they should have listened to that guy.
Speaker 2: And that's where I've positioned myself as well.
Speaker 1: Like you always bring up the religious woman in the midst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's not.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be her, though I want to
Speaker 2: be Will Smith. I get it.
Speaker 1: No, but I just I don't. Okay, well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about before we wrap things up. What did you make?
Speaker 2: I could go for another hour, but.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, what do you make of the end?
Speaker 1: We didn't really talk about the movie were talking about because.
Speaker 2: We'd spoil so much. There's so little that you can
Speaker 2: talk about in the plot, because the plot is why
Speaker 2: you go see this movie. Yeah, that's the best thing
Speaker 2: I can say about it. Fifty four minutes into.
Speaker 1: The and like, I know, if something is it's binary
Speaker 1: unique as a binary descriptor. But We don't always use
Speaker 1: unique as a binary descriptor. We use it as like
Speaker 1: a range of things, a scale of zero to ten,
Speaker 1: zero being I've seen this movie literally a thousand times
Speaker 1: to ten. This is the only movie in existence like this.
Speaker 1: What's the uniqueness fact?
Speaker 2: So that's hard. I'd probably have it at like four
Speaker 2: or five in terms of the actual plot points, motifs, themes,
Speaker 2: things like that, but probably closer to seven or eight
Speaker 2: in terms of the way it's actually carried out on
Speaker 2: the screen.
Speaker 1: Is it the ending? What did you make of the ending?
Speaker 1: And is there a message in the ending? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So there's two kind of twists that take place. I
Speaker 2: think one of them you could see from a mile away.
Speaker 2: One of them completely got punched me. The overarching plot
Speaker 2: twist I knew halfway through. I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: how this is going to end? And sure enough, yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the penultimates?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. The penultimate scene completely caught me off guard.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming at all. I loved that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was so really, what's the one that
Speaker 1: you could have seen coming?
Speaker 2: Well, in like the last two minutes of the movie,
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, yeah, that's actual.
Speaker 1: Son and everything. Yeah you saw that coming. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: You're okay, So the one you didn't see coming is
Speaker 1: literally the final scene.
Speaker 2: No, you're you're inverting it. I saw the final scene coming,
Speaker 2: but but yeah, okay, yeah, all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: But in order to see the final scene coming, don't
Speaker 1: you have to see the penultimate twist?
Speaker 2: No? No, I mean I'm not telling you more what
Speaker 2: I mean off the air, but there there's.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just get back to this. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to ask you. Yeah, the final scene
Speaker 1: with those two characters. Is there a message to us
Speaker 1: in how it how this situation quasi resolves itself? Or
Speaker 1: am I reading too much? I mean there are elements
Speaker 1: of Honestly, you know what's ironic?
Speaker 2: Is it kind of to me? The ending scene is
Speaker 2: your last statement that you made like two minutes ago,
Speaker 2: when you were like, you know, the robots might take over,
Speaker 2: but until then, it's going to be a.
Speaker 1: Hell of a round.
Speaker 2: Essentially, what they're describing is the hell of a ride
Speaker 2: part in the final scene, and it's just like, look,
Speaker 2: everything's going to be totally awesome, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: make sure that it's totally awesome, And that's kind of
Speaker 2: the technologies philosophy there. And I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people, there's a lot more people.
Speaker 1: Than I think.
Speaker 2: I think listening to our voices right now, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people telling themselves I wouldn't succumb to this.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot more people that want
Speaker 2: to use this shit to write their emails and want
Speaker 2: to use this shit to be told. Now, you are
Speaker 2: right about the decisions that you're making.
Speaker 1: Trust me. I'm an Ai chap hand raised on that one. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've heard people say to me and just people
Speaker 1: say in general that technology, it might be newer, but
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily better, right, Okay, Yeah, And while I
Speaker 1: think that's true for certain medial things, Ben dude, technology
Speaker 1: is so much better. Like, yeah, I mean there's certain
Speaker 1: things that I get annoyed about, but ninety five point
Speaker 1: nine percent of everything that technolog Jesus like it has
Speaker 1: made our lives easier. It's been so much better. And
Speaker 1: then these people that can you know, these you know,
Speaker 1: old men, crusty old men, a you know, it's all
Speaker 1: you know, better back in the day when you know,
Speaker 1: we had to go to eighteen stores to get all
Speaker 1: the things we need, we had to spend a whole
Speaker 1: weekend shopping. I like that a lot better than spending
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on Amazon and having everything automatically delivered to
Speaker 1: my house. Yeah what, Yeah, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Like there's give and take. Though I've actually said this
Speaker 2: on my show before, because I'm clearly if you can't
Speaker 2: tell by this podcast today, I'm very skeptical of the
Speaker 2: implementation of AI.
Speaker 1: But I say I also I'm not well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of it because I think that when we've
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to utilize new and exciting things, humans
Speaker 1: are just I don't know if it's greed. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's pride, I don't know if it's ego
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. We usually screw these things up,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: But the comparison I always make is is like, if
Speaker 2: we were having this conversation thirty five years ago, would
Speaker 2: we be saying the exact same stuff about the Internet.
Speaker 2: I'd argue A lot of bad has come with the Internet,
Speaker 2: for sure, but mostly a lot of good stuff has come.
Speaker 1: I would I mean, like the stuff I do for
Speaker 1: work could not do a shell of it. I would
Speaker 1: not be employed by either of my companies if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for the Internet. But like, also, maybe that's true
Speaker 1: for most people. You're being spot.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, it's true for most. As a former sales guy,
Speaker 2: I remember I was working with a bunch of people
Speaker 2: in their fifties when I was twenty four. We had
Speaker 2: sales Force as a software application. I had seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty clients that I'd have to keep track and
Speaker 2: it would be like, hey, Ben, you haven't called this
Speaker 2: client in ninety days, but oh, I should probably make
Speaker 2: my voice heard and look at these guys. I'd be like,
Speaker 2: it's like in the eighties, what were you guys doing, Like, well,
Speaker 2: how would you keep Trackers say, like, we get a book,
Speaker 2: we'd look at the last time we wrote something in
Speaker 2: the book.
Speaker 1: I think sounds impossible. The whole thing that technology gives
Speaker 1: you a scalability, right. Fantasy football company I work for
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, twenty five years ago when we weren't
Speaker 1: in business, came in business in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Turn in the century. There is the world champion with
Speaker 1: fantasy football, and you'd have a thousand people out in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas drafting their high stakes fantasy teams right over
Speaker 1: the course of a weekend, which is awesome. You know what,
Speaker 1: We're way bigger than that company ever was, and we
Speaker 1: haven't gotten close to a thousand people drafting at once.
Speaker 1: Because of the Internet, people can draft their teams at home.
Speaker 1: They don't have to fly anywhere. The ability to scale
Speaker 1: sales is a perfect example. The ability to scale your
Speaker 1: client list and how much bigger you can become now
Speaker 1: because connectivity, Like you could be in Tokyo, you could
Speaker 1: be in Lisbon, you could be in sou Polo, and
Speaker 1: you are a click away, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that is amazing and it's awesome, and I would
Speaker 1: say it's much more awesome than horrific.
Speaker 2: But the trade off is agency and privacy. If the algorithm.
Speaker 1: Agency privacy and expectations as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the algorithm decides your sales company isn't gonna
Speaker 2: be seen, we're gonna put you on page five. Well, now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your business. Maybe you were on
Speaker 2: Badge one and they could turn that off tomorrow if
Speaker 2: you say or do the wrong thing. Our emails get
Speaker 2: spied on every day. Is that worth it? It depends
Speaker 2: on who you asks. Yeah, but this AI conversation just
Speaker 2: feels like the next logical step in that conversation. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the guy who says, don't
Speaker 2: do the Internet. But at the same time, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the guy that gave the Rubbers stamp
Speaker 2: till whatever the hell is coming up next. And that's
Speaker 2: the whole theme of this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did I ever tell you? I might have asked you.
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the HBO show Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2: You have asked me. I have not seen it. I'm
Speaker 2: familiar with this.
Speaker 1: So basically you should watch it. It's awesome. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: way that the series wraps up is they came up
Speaker 1: with this algorithm for compression and that it could de
Speaker 1: encrypt like anything, and they discover that it became too
Speaker 1: powerful that they could not unleash this on the world
Speaker 1: because privacy would literally there would be zero privacy in
Speaker 1: the world because of how powerful that they made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they basically and they're presenting it this big conference
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. They basically had to train wreck it
Speaker 1: on purpose so that nobody would ever, you know, find
Speaker 1: out like how good this And they were geniuses, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the very end of the show is there's
Speaker 1: a hard drive with this algorithm on right, and they
Speaker 1: can't find it. Yeah, of course you don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to it. Somebody has it somewhere, which.
Speaker 2: And that's even the point of the Terminator series. You
Speaker 2: think they stop Judgment Day and Terminator to Judgment Day,
Speaker 2: and then you find out ten years later someone's gonna
Speaker 2: build this. Like, even if you destroy everything, all you
Speaker 2: did was set it back. That's the only thing. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be someone smart enough to figure it out.
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to say about the ending
Speaker 1: is initially when I saw it, I'm like, boom sequel,
Speaker 1: because you know how my mind point is, I'm always
Speaker 1: like this is you know, because there's never really an
Speaker 1: end to any story. Every story really can take it.
Speaker 1: And so the first thing I thought of is like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great. When we get the sequel, this would
Speaker 1: be fantastic. And I was thinking about it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this isn't set up for a sequel. I hope it's not.
Speaker 1: I hope I don't. I don't think it is. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can continue. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: make another you could continue the story, it would not
Speaker 1: be anywhere near as compelling as this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I think it was. I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it was lightning in a bottle, but
Speaker 2: I think this was a very interesting movie with themes
Speaker 2: that are very fun to dive into. Like, I feel
Speaker 2: like this is what Megan wants to be. This is
Speaker 2: what so many technology movies want to be in terms
Speaker 2: of entertainment mixed with high level commentary, and I feel
Speaker 2: like this found a really nice blend of the two. Personally,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: The fact that Rockwell's character is allegedly from the future.
Speaker 1: I keep saying that because every description I've seen says,
Speaker 1: this man claims to be from the future. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I want I'll be real. That influenced the way I
Speaker 1: watched the movie that you kept saying, well, that's how
Speaker 1: it was built, like, you know, because you don't know
Speaker 1: if this guy's from the future or not. And and
Speaker 1: I do like the way that he hit some great
Speaker 1: one liners in this and like it was just it
Speaker 1: was the perfect comedic spice on top of this intricate
Speaker 1: story that was that was great.
Speaker 2: I almost quoted one of the people, but it wouldn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. I'm still stuck on the conversation with
Speaker 2: the parents at the at the house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was great, just the hole.
Speaker 2: Back and forth and like I like started off like
Speaker 2: casually laughing, and it just like kept building because every
Speaker 2: next line.
Speaker 1: To the point should I be laughing at this? She told, fuck,
Speaker 1: but it just kills Yeah it was. And then with
Speaker 1: the human advertisements too, I thought was great.
Speaker 2: That was fantastic, which like again, like I said, a
Speaker 2: lot of unique ideas, but very few things we haven't
Speaker 2: seen before, because that's Truman show.
Speaker 1: Remember when the Yeah that's true, He's like, what the
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? At a great point, I totally
Speaker 1: forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've seen this stuff all the time. But it
Speaker 2: was done in a very cool way. I refuse to
Speaker 2: do back to back ten. So I'm giving it a
Speaker 2: nine only because I wish and I know you're gonna
Speaker 2: put it on the production company. I don't give an
Speaker 2: ish the trailer. I wish it had more confidence to
Speaker 2: not show so much of his hand before you got
Speaker 2: But what if.
Speaker 1: It would what if it would have done that? Ben?
Speaker 1: But I mean you still weren't going to give it
Speaker 1: a ten. I don't know, man, you might I might
Speaker 1: have backed back ten. Huh, who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Someone said I should turn it into a catchphrase like
Speaker 2: it's a ten. Yeah, I'm not if I'm going to
Speaker 2: say it's a nine. Solid story, solid acting, fun plot.
Speaker 2: Like I said, there's enough plot twist that I didn't
Speaker 2: predict everything that was going to happen. It made me laugh.
Speaker 2: What else do you need?
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it an eight, and the reason
Speaker 1: for that was number one. This is not I mean
Speaker 1: I I always rate these films on my personal enjoyment,
Speaker 1: not what I think the masses would like.
Speaker 2: So this is not Yeah, I don't give a crap.
Speaker 2: This is this is me.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but you should rate it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you should as well. I'm not going to wait,
Speaker 2: you're doing it for the mass.
Speaker 1: I know I'm doing it personal. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't rate movies for what I think
Speaker 1: the masses would like. I'm rating it based on my
Speaker 1: personal joint masses can go down. Now, well, this this
Speaker 1: is not like although I will say that you've really
Speaker 1: kind of turned me onto this bizarre sci fi genre
Speaker 1: sort of, it's not my cup of tea. But I
Speaker 1: still can enjoy that. So I'm not gonna it's already
Speaker 1: out of the running for ten because it's I and
Speaker 1: I have this thing too where I kind of make
Speaker 1: up my mind before a movie if I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: it or not. And this one I kind of made
Speaker 1: up my mind. I'm like, I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be good. It will be great, but I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be good. Yeah. So and then I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I should probably be giving it extra points
Speaker 1: for the absurdity that happens in the last third of
Speaker 1: the movie or maybe yeah, last third of the movie
Speaker 1: or so, it's just sometimes I think it was absurdity
Speaker 1: for absurdity's sake, yeahl random. Yeah, And I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't and and that was to me that that
Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way a little bit. It's still funny, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so I give it an eight,
Speaker 1: which is listen, I can't imagine a lot of people
Speaker 1: going to this movie and saying, oh, that was stupid. Yes,
Speaker 1: some people will. I think most people.
Speaker 2: I did look it up. It got eighty five critics
Speaker 2: and audience got My.
Speaker 1: Wife knew I told my wife the plot of this movie.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, do you want to watch a movie?
Speaker 1: Because we had nothing new on Sunday afternoon, So do
Speaker 1: you want to go see a movie? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: which one? And I said, good luck, have fun, don't die.
Speaker 1: She's like what. So she immediately she's turned off by
Speaker 1: the title. Then I gave her the three sentence description
Speaker 1: of it. She's like, no, I'm not seeing that, Like,
Speaker 1: let me share the trailer. I'm not interested in the trailer.
Speaker 1: So she was out on it right now. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: she'd be one of these people to be like and
Speaker 1: she went to it. She's like, that's totally stupid, you
Speaker 1: know which I mean, it's it's fine because like some
Speaker 1: people like you know again, I make up my mind
Speaker 1: whether I'm gonna like something or not. She probably would
Speaker 1: have made up her mind that this is going to
Speaker 1: be dumb watch it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and if it's not your cup of tea,
Speaker 2: there's definitely not her cup of tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly. By the way, that whole thing I
Speaker 1: played on the said on the podcast last week that
Speaker 1: I said I'd never let my wife listen to. I
Speaker 1: played it for Saturday night, so she heard that whole section,
Speaker 1: and basically she said, you know what, I think we
Speaker 1: should just agree that if either one of us has
Speaker 1: a chance to sleep with a celebrity, they do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said, I sign off on that hardly. So
Speaker 1: now we have we have a Rossqueller friends past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was really the ultimate goal of
Speaker 2: this podcast. We could hang it up right now.
Speaker 1: I know that mission accomplished, right, I feel like George
Speaker 1: Bush hanging up the sign. Mission accomplished. There's no reason
Speaker 1: to go for it. But we will press on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you got to do this on the
Speaker 3: show or on the show? Yeah, okay, yeah, So the
Speaker 3: two now these are just mine too. If you have
Speaker 3: something else great scream seven.
Speaker 2: Comes out, okay, I figured one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, i'd have to catch up
Speaker 1: because I don't know at what point I stopped watching them,
Speaker 1: but I know I've seen several, which is fine. I
Speaker 1: don't mind it because those are those are fun cam'ty,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, and they're usually not very long. The
Speaker 1: other one, and I can't think of the name of it, okay,
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell is in it, okay, and it's it's something
Speaker 1: to the effect of he has to kill all of
Speaker 1: his family members in order to get this inheritance or something. Oh,
Speaker 1: I did see that how to Make a Killing? How
Speaker 1: to Make a Killing? Yeah, yes, so there's that one,
Speaker 1: which I think is a pretty unique you know, and
Speaker 1: like I think, I don't think he was the only
Speaker 1: one in it. I thought that there's like the cast
Speaker 1: is pretty good. I don't know who directed it at all,
Speaker 1: but those were the two I came up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Margaret Quality, Jessica Henwick, Toafer, Grace ed Harris, Zach Woods.
Speaker 1: Zach Woods from Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I that one definitely called. Well, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what, why don't we do that one then?
Speaker 1: Because I'm I'm good, But that's the way I was leaning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do that how to make and that? Now, can
Speaker 1: we confirm that is out? Because I didn't look at
Speaker 1: it super close. I'll get a text message from you
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Hey, it's not a.
Speaker 2: Hey I'm at Scream seven because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not. Because how to Make a Kill.
Speaker 1: So you have twelve hours to watch to watch, to
Speaker 1: watch three scream movies or whatever. Yeah, not that you
Speaker 1: need to watch all the screams, but I just I
Speaker 1: do think you absolutely would need to. Really. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: you all caught up on it? Of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already out, came out the twentieth Okay, we're good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's do that then.
Speaker 1: All right, how to make a killing next week?
Speaker 2: That's good, that's exciting. All right, guys, good luck, have fun,
Speaker 2: don't die, go see it, let us know what you think,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you next week