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Speaker 5: Everybody. Welcome, Welcome, everybody to another classy Stranger episode. You
Speaker 5: could say, I do like that name. I think it's uh,
Speaker 5: it's it fits. I'm one of your hosts of this
Speaker 5: Crazy Cookie podcast. Tom Kat aka Tom Thompson aka the
Speaker 5: rap Tillian. Who else do I have in this bitch?
Speaker 2: Reverend Kaiju aka the tap Brillian.
Speaker 5: That's funny.
Speaker 4: You know what the worst part about this is every
Speaker 4: time I don't have any of these cool aliases, so
Speaker 4: I'm like, and then I feel like if I come
Speaker 4: up with something, it's like cringey because it's just like
Speaker 4: trying to copy and be like, yeah, I have one too,
Speaker 4: I'm just playing.
Speaker 5: Alder Aaron Aaron is in this bitch. I'll think of
Speaker 5: an alias for you one day, ye if you. It
Speaker 5: was funny for Antel one of those for a long
Speaker 5: time on the podcast. I ran out of names eventually,
Speaker 5: but we would put I would always call Billy something else.
Speaker 5: It would be like Billy Zane fucking Billy Nelson, the
Speaker 5: most ridiculous names. Eventually, like I called them billiards one episode,
Speaker 5: like and eventually I just made brand esteem because I
Speaker 5: couldn't think of any more. Like so funny though, but yeah,
Speaker 5: we all have Billy. This is Billy. He's like, I'm Billy,
Speaker 5: I'm here. So he's like, you're not the only one
Speaker 5: that doesn't really have a nickname.
Speaker 4: That doesn't make me feel as bad.
Speaker 5: Then we called Billy old Old wide Eyes is his nickname.
Speaker 2: Old.
Speaker 5: So this is really interesting actually, and you know, for
Speaker 5: our listeners this you'll be hearing this a little more often.
Speaker 5: We've connected a lot with Aaron, and we all are
Speaker 5: becoming a little family, So I want to do more
Speaker 5: classy Stranger episodes. And this will probably lead into another
Speaker 5: one after this, and we're not gonna mention it just yet,
Speaker 5: but it'll be this will lead into other podcasts that
Speaker 5: we'll be doing. It kind of is gonna gonna creep
Speaker 5: up towards something even even creepier than this. But let's
Speaker 5: go to Ireland. We're talking about the Irish Vanishing Triangle.
Speaker 5: And I've never heard about this at all, and I
Speaker 5: feel like I've heard about a lot of vanishing triangles.
Speaker 5: Me and Anton just covered the Michigan fucking Triangle like
Speaker 5: not that long ago, and people are were really digging
Speaker 5: that episode because it is weird. How many weird At
Speaker 5: least this one is is slightly different, though it's not
Speaker 5: like we're majority of like vanishing triangles or like you know,
Speaker 5: the Bermuda Triangle, or like the one in Japan and
Speaker 5: how it's like boats and ships go missing. This is
Speaker 5: just a bunch of women walking down a road and
Speaker 5: then they disappear.
Speaker 6: Well, the one in Japan we all know is because
Speaker 6: of Godzilla, so that's that mystery solved immediately.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I think? For years over here
Speaker 4: it was always kind of out there, but only maybe
Speaker 4: in more modern times, probably since like the invention of
Speaker 4: things like these Netflix true crime things. Now all of
Speaker 4: a sudden it's like mainstream. Yeah, there's been like two
Speaker 4: or three books. There was a book recently written by
Speaker 4: a guy called Barry Commons which was like.
Speaker 5: When Come.
Speaker 4: Went Straight to Number One, and it's like it says
Speaker 4: it's about Ireland's vanished women and children, but it's basically
Speaker 4: entirely about the Vanishing Triangle.
Speaker 5: Have you finished it yet?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I've actually read it like two or three times.
Speaker 4: I was just skimming through it. Again.
Speaker 5: You read a book two or three times, Jesus one
Speaker 5: one round.
Speaker 4: That's normally. Maybe. I don't know why I became fascinated
Speaker 4: with this. Maybe because it's so close to home.
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 5: Because I did see the map of you know, it's right,
Speaker 5: it's it's kind of on the fringes of like kill
Speaker 5: Kenny and stuff like that, and where are you?
Speaker 4: I'm in Wexford, so I'm down in like the southeast.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, Because I was looking at a map of it,
Speaker 5: and it is weird. I was like, I, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe one day I was tucking at my girlfriend. I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, it'd be nice if, like, if
Speaker 5: traveling was free, if we lived more of a utopia.
Speaker 5: It's a fucking farce, but like the fact that it
Speaker 5: would be cool if it was just super cheap to
Speaker 5: travel and you could just be able to because I'd
Speaker 5: love to go to Ireland and like just climb some
Speaker 5: fucking mountains and ship and go drink at a pub
Speaker 5: and get all funs.
Speaker 6: I feel like they'd kick you out tom the moment
Speaker 6: you set foot on Irish soil.
Speaker 2: They just bee like, get let's get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 5: I have Irish blood in me, so I'd be like,
Speaker 5: it's me and I'm coming back to my home. I
Speaker 5: chuck it to my I gotta get.
Speaker 3: Oil.
Speaker 6: He has Irish blood in him, but he's trying to
Speaker 6: get something more than blood in him in Ireland.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there are some good looking shurans.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's that's what I said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to climb mountains, just make sure
Speaker 4: you don't go anywhere near the Wicklow Mountains because that's
Speaker 4: where a lot of these stories.
Speaker 5: See lepra cons are from.
Speaker 4: No, this is where all these stories kind of end up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they're women. Men aren't scared.
Speaker 4: Well do you know what? Right? And we'll get into
Speaker 4: this a little bit later because I want to kind
Speaker 4: of focus on this guy and he might actually come
Speaker 4: up in that future episode you're talking about again. Yes,
Speaker 4: there is a guy by the name of Larry Murphy.
Speaker 4: And I will say that over here. The name Larry
Speaker 4: Murphy has always been kind of like, I don't want
Speaker 4: to say, used as a joke, but like I suppose
Speaker 4: me and some of the people I hang out with
Speaker 4: were a bit sick in the head, so it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody's leaving a party and they're like walking
Speaker 4: home alone. We live in like a you know, a
Speaker 4: pretty large town but not large enough to be like
Speaker 4: a city, you know, and we would always be like, oh,
Speaker 4: make sure Larry Murphy doesn't get you.
Speaker 5: So you have like a lore to do with it,
Speaker 5: almost like oh, Ted Bunny's gonna get you, or fucking
Speaker 5: if you know Walkee, it's like Jeffrey where the chocolate factory,
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Dahmer is gonna fucking.
Speaker 4: And and then I suppose one of the women that
Speaker 4: was potentially involved in this whole triangle actually went missing
Speaker 4: in Wexford. So that's another part of this old story. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and Larry Murphy has a lot of tides to Wexford.
Speaker 5: And like we said, we'll get into it. Who knows,
Speaker 5: it might be a serial killer, but it is strange.
Speaker 5: Let's say that, like all these women did go missing.
Speaker 5: It is it is a really weird case. A second,
Speaker 5: how even to like my girlfriend about how how many
Speaker 5: people do actually go missing and how just vanish without
Speaker 5: a trace, nobody knows where they are. But in this
Speaker 5: case it might have been the cops being lazy like
Speaker 5: a lot of times, you know, se.
Speaker 2: What do you mean in this case?
Speaker 6: That's like the case more often than not when you
Speaker 6: have missing people and the less dead as a copter.
Speaker 2: Just like I don't really feel like ial with that.
Speaker 5: And yeah, obviously there's a statistic, right you have, like
Speaker 5: where you know, women are more likely to obviously disappear
Speaker 5: and they're more scared to be walking on their own.
Speaker 5: Men are not necessarily the same. I was watching a
Speaker 5: little video and this woman talks about how this was
Speaker 5: close to home and she walks everywhere with like fucking
Speaker 5: hood overhead and her keys in her hand because this
Speaker 5: shit like freaked throughout and she was around the area
Speaker 5: of where this was at.
Speaker 4: So rightly, yeah, and I suppose, you know it'd Being
Speaker 4: in Ireland in the nineties, we were probably a little
Speaker 4: bit more. I think sometimes when I see maybe like
Speaker 4: the American, Canadian, even maybe UK perspective on some of
Speaker 4: this stuff, it seems to be like, you know what,
Speaker 4: white didn't to do this, White didn't to do that.
Speaker 4: It was at a time in Ireland where you know,
Speaker 4: if you didn't live with your family, not talking to
Speaker 4: them for maybe a week two weeks wasn't really out
Speaker 4: of the ordinary. There was no cell phones or very
Speaker 4: very few in Ireland. You know, you had to walk
Speaker 4: to a phone box.
Speaker 2: Oh no, kidding in the nineties, yeah, no shit, wow.
Speaker 4: So like it was, and I think that had a
Speaker 4: pretty big part to play in a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 4: It was a lot more common for you know, people
Speaker 4: to go maybe a week or two without seeing each
Speaker 4: other and you know you would be hit, you know,
Speaker 4: hitching lifts and stuff like that. It just didn't really,
Speaker 4: I don't think phase a lot of people now it's
Speaker 4: a bit strange when like you know, every three months
Speaker 4: somebody's gone missing in this small area. I mean, Ireland
Speaker 4: is a pretty small country to start with. But then
Speaker 4: when you actually candense it down into it, basically the
Speaker 4: triangle is basically we have different we have like we
Speaker 4: have different constituencies I you would call so Leinster is
Speaker 4: basically what covers this entire triangle. So kind of said
Speaker 4: from like Dublin down a fire is somewhere like Waterford
Speaker 4: and then across to Wexford and then back up to Dublin.
Speaker 4: So it kind of forms a triangle. It's a very
Speaker 4: like it's strange. It's a very large area but also
Speaker 4: an extremely small area I think for so many people
Speaker 4: to go missing from.
Speaker 5: Missing yeah, yeah, well let's get into it. The term
Speaker 5: Ireland's Vanishing Triangle was coined by the Irish media in
Speaker 5: relation to unexplained disappearances of six women throughout Eastern Ireland
Speaker 5: during the mid nineteen nineties. The assumed first victim in
Speaker 5: the Vanishing Triangle is one of Ireland's most famous missing
Speaker 5: person cases, The American woman of Annie mccarmickmath against mccarnick,
Speaker 5: who went missing in the spring of nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, some of the cases in this series
Speaker 5: obviously garner more attention than others from law enforcement, the media,
Speaker 5: in the public. By nineteen ninety eight, numerous women had
Speaker 5: been portedly missing in the Eastern Ireland during the previous
Speaker 5: five years. When nineteen year old is her name, Deirdre
Speaker 5: Deirdre Deirdre Jacob, vanished just yards from her home in
Speaker 5: the summer of nineteen ninety eight, the Irish Police Commissioner
Speaker 5: Pat Bryan set up an operation to Trace in hope
Speaker 5: of obviously determining if these six specific cases involving missing
Speaker 5: women were linked or if say, maybe is serial killer
Speaker 5: or killers were operating through the Eastern region of Ireland.
Speaker 5: The number of cases in this series has been a
Speaker 5: long obviously disputed, as there are possible links to cases
Speaker 5: going far back as the nineteen eighties, so this is
Speaker 5: quite prevalent. And they I think it just seemed like
Speaker 5: a lot of the cases they were like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: people fucking people just you know, leave and they go
Speaker 5: hang out with their friends and then they're gone for
Speaker 5: two weeks. Okay, bud no.
Speaker 6: But that makes sense if the communication is so scarce
Speaker 6: that it's like okay, well you know, they just got
Speaker 6: busy and didn't want to call somebody, So it's not
Speaker 6: you can just shoot a text and be like, hey,
Speaker 6: what are you up to?
Speaker 5: Since I don't have to fucking read anything, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: hit a bomb with them. I just bought this new one.
Speaker 5: It's cool. It's like, look at it. It's got a
Speaker 5: little weird fucking shit.
Speaker 2: It's a nifty little bong.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you said you're in sorry, you said you're
Speaker 6: from Wexford, right, yeah, Okay, I pulled up a map
Speaker 6: of Ireland just to get a frame of reference to
Speaker 6: what you're talking about, and you were saying it goes
Speaker 6: from like Dublin to Arklow to Kilkenny.
Speaker 2: That's what the triangle is. Or is it it's Dublin
Speaker 2: to Wexford.
Speaker 4: That kill Yeah, Well, you see, I suppose if you
Speaker 4: add in, like a lot of these cases are disputed
Speaker 4: and and over time now have kind of been disregarded
Speaker 4: and people say that they aren't part of the Vanish
Speaker 4: and triangle. But I think if you include like majority
Speaker 4: of the cases, and there's even more than we'll probably
Speaker 4: talk about today. Yeah, it goes from Dublin basically to Wexford.
Speaker 4: Then kind of I would say across as far as
Speaker 4: like the Waterford area, which would be just.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, shit, Yeah, that's that's pretty big.
Speaker 6: That's like I take what like a third of the
Speaker 6: country itself, not counting Northern Ireland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fucking nuts.
Speaker 5: You think if I dressed up like a woman who
Speaker 5: walked around this area that I would go missing, I
Speaker 5: would go vanishing, you know, just cross dress a little bit.
Speaker 5: Are you allowed to say that anymore?
Speaker 4: So, Like in the first case, the most famous one,
Speaker 4: and I would imagine it's because she's she was an
Speaker 4: American living in Dublin, is probably why that was the
Speaker 4: most like looked at. Yeah. The story goes that on
Speaker 4: the days she was last seen, she she left her
Speaker 4: apartment and she had I think she had rang somebody,
Speaker 4: a friend or something like that, or someone she was
Speaker 4: in college or studium, and she wanted to go and
Speaker 4: visit the Wicklow Mountains. Now I actually made a note
Speaker 4: of this for anybody who doesn't have any reference. So
Speaker 4: the Wicklow Mountains are the largest continuous upland area in
Speaker 4: the public of Ireland. It's spread across several counties from
Speaker 4: Dublin wickl Carolina Wexford. The area consists of dense bogland
Speaker 4: and grass, with only three major passes going through the
Speaker 4: mountains that are less than two thousand feet So it's
Speaker 4: it's a hugely popular tourist attraction.
Speaker 2: Like it's gorgeous. I can see why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like and even with Irish people it's it's quite popular.
Speaker 4: But the area is so dense with like overgrown forestry
Speaker 4: and different things like that. I just found it really bizarre.
Speaker 4: And maybe because she was, you know, not as I suppose,
Speaker 4: maybe privy to that area, but it just it sounded
Speaker 4: really bizarre to me that she she went to a
Speaker 4: supermarket or a grocery store at like, I think three
Speaker 4: forty pm that day and then after that got a
Speaker 4: bus from where she was out towards the Wicklow Mountains.
Speaker 4: Me at four pm heading for an area like that
Speaker 4: seems really really bizarre.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what are you doing there?
Speaker 2: Like, like do people tent camp there and everything?
Speaker 5: Or is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly you can do.
Speaker 4: But I don't think that was I didn't. I couldn't
Speaker 4: find anywhere that was ever her intention. So when her
Speaker 4: friend turned down the offer and said she couldn't make it,
Speaker 4: she decided to get the bus and go anyway, and
Speaker 4: she didn't bring she didn't bring anything that like indicated
Speaker 4: that she was like, you know, staying anywhere. So it
Speaker 4: was just it seems really weird to me that she
Speaker 4: was making a journey out to someone like that.
Speaker 5: This is not the one that the parents thought were suicidal, right,
Speaker 5: or is it.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of cases where that kind of comes up,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if that's just something that people
Speaker 4: used to like dismiss.
Speaker 5: Or whatever, but yeah, because it's quite possible. Like in
Speaker 5: one I don't know what woman it was, and they're
Speaker 5: talking about how her parents thought she was kind of suicidal,
Speaker 5: but they she gave no indications of like a letter
Speaker 5: or anything like that. And I was like, sometimes people
Speaker 5: just do it. They don't think about anything else, and
Speaker 5: they just go when they get the deed done.
Speaker 6: Well, there are yeah, there are a lot of people
Speaker 6: that do com to commit suicide who everyone just says
Speaker 6: that I had no idea. It's like because they've kept
Speaker 6: it completely bottled up. So it's always possible, but.
Speaker 5: It is weird, Like what drove he to this place?
Speaker 5: Is there any do you know in this forestry? Is
Speaker 5: there any other folklore? Like to do with is there
Speaker 5: any like I don't know, fucking Irish bigfoot sightings or
Speaker 5: entities or any weird folklore surrounding.
Speaker 4: The forest And it's weird, not that I really know of,
Speaker 4: to be honest, and like I'm always like, damn, I
Speaker 4: wish it was we had like a big foot story
Speaker 4: or something. But honestly, right, and this sounds a little bit,
Speaker 4: but Larry Murphy is actually like I would consider him
Speaker 4: like something like that. Yeah, he is like this strange
Speaker 4: like myth of like you know, I think, after all
Speaker 4: this happened and we'll see a little bit later something
Speaker 4: that he done in the Wicklow Mountains that kind of
Speaker 4: made him infamous and since then, like he's over here
Speaker 4: and even throughout Europe he's like considered, like you know,
Speaker 4: an extremely extremely dangerous person, and so much so I
Speaker 4: would say he's even considered the most dangerous person in Ireland.
Speaker 4: Or he's alive and in jail or as he no,
Speaker 4: he's walking around free. And he's lived in multiple areas
Speaker 4: around Leinster, which would be around that you know area
Speaker 4: that he grew up, in different places. He's been spotted
Speaker 4: in Dublin, he's been spotted in Wexford. He's spotted in Waterford.
Speaker 5: And he is said to be a serial killer.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, he's connected to at least four of these. Wow,
Speaker 4: and you'll see a little bit later. I've done a
Speaker 4: little bit more digging and there's way too many coincidences
Speaker 4: and there's way too many strange like he shows up
Speaker 4: in the background in like other cases somehow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is weird. And considering me and Anton mentioned
Speaker 5: it right where, it's just like, you know how you
Speaker 5: don't like people like serial color stuff like that. It's
Speaker 5: like if you're connected to like two people missing, all right,
Speaker 5: that's suspicious. But when it's like you're connected to four people,
Speaker 5: it's just like just gone vanished, missing, don't know where
Speaker 5: they are. It's like, ah, you if any of us
Speaker 5: had a connection to one, we would be called in
Speaker 5: by the cops.
Speaker 6: And oh yeah we're gonna be we're gonna be fucking interrogated,
Speaker 6: like there's no tomorrow.
Speaker 5: But yeah, fucking weird.
Speaker 6: And like one person, you can almost kind of be like, Okay,
Speaker 6: well they knew a lot of people or they knew
Speaker 6: so and so it's not just this one person, but
Speaker 6: two people. They're just like, hey, what's going on here?
Speaker 6: Why are you, you know, connected to so many people
Speaker 6: that are missing?
Speaker 2: So what's the deal? There's just not enough evidence to.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and like you'll see now after we I'll
Speaker 4: do a quick run through of some of the cases
Speaker 4: first and then you'll kind of see after that, then
Speaker 4: we'll tell you back into him. But like, look, Ireland
Speaker 4: is a lot smaller obviously than the States, Canada, England,
Speaker 4: different places like that. But I don't believe that it's
Speaker 4: small enough for you him to coincidentally be in all
Speaker 4: these different places and know all these different people and
Speaker 4: it just happens to be like, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy who likes to kind of travel
Speaker 4: around the country. It's like, how are you always around
Speaker 4: like this?
Speaker 2: How do you always hear when something bad happens?
Speaker 6: Like you're either connected or you're a harbinger, in which case,
Speaker 6: fuck off.
Speaker 4: Y there With this case of Anie McCarrick as well,
Speaker 4: there was a doorman for a pub in Glenn Collin
Speaker 4: called Johnny Fox's, and he said that he had seen
Speaker 4: her there that night with an unknown mail. Nobody ever
Speaker 4: saw her or the male leave the pub, and nobody's
Speaker 4: ever come forward. No one's ever identified him. A lot
Speaker 4: of people think it's a mistaken identity. That night was
Speaker 4: like wet, windy, like extremely dark, and the area that
Speaker 4: she got off the bus would have been six kilometers away.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, and you never never rely on people's memories. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's been proven time and time again. People's memories suck,
Speaker 5: especially when it comes to true crime events.
Speaker 6: Well that's why eyewitness accounts are only, you know, half
Speaker 6: taken into account on short case and stuff. You need
Speaker 6: actual physical evidence to convict somebody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, take a picture next time. Just take a picture
Speaker 5: everywhere you go to take pictures of people. Okay, eventually
Speaker 5: there'll be a murder around you and you'll be able
Speaker 5: to be like, this is the guy, this is what
Speaker 5: you look like. Just yeah, wait, the governments are you
Speaker 5: doing that? They got cameras everywhere, so we're fine.
Speaker 4: And in recent years, actually there was talk of an
Speaker 4: IRA killer who apparently was a regular in that pub
Speaker 4: and he was there that night and he got talking
Speaker 4: with her. Apparently she was like quite an attractive girl.
Speaker 5: So tell people what the IRA is if they don't know,
Speaker 5: because there's some Canadians and Americans I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: It's the Irish Republican Army.
Speaker 5: There was beef going on in the nineties, wasn't there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the eighties, nineties, wasn't it like a long
Speaker 6: time because it's the whole.
Speaker 2: Northern Ireland England connection, right.
Speaker 4: And like and again this this will sound ridiculous, but
Speaker 4: I suppose being in a country as small as Ireland,
Speaker 4: like I will probably I would imagine when this comes out,
Speaker 4: you're probably Vanish. Well, this will be around. So that's
Speaker 4: why I had like, and this sounds this might sound
Speaker 4: ridiculous some people, but I like to be a little
Speaker 4: bit careful about some topics because the IRA. Some people
Speaker 4: don't believe that that's the thing, or it's like stuff
Speaker 4: on like movies whatever. It's really real and a lot
Speaker 4: of people who were involved in the IRA are now
Speaker 4: like retired or I want to call it. And they
Speaker 4: scattered throughout the country. So but are you talking.
Speaker 5: About this You're gonna get a fucking hip put on
Speaker 5: your head.
Speaker 4: Well, they were, they're essentially this is not my opinion,
Speaker 4: but they were essentially a terrorist group and done a
Speaker 4: lot of crazy things. And you know, for a long time,
Speaker 4: I think it was pitched to the Irish people that
Speaker 4: it was like they were defending the land and you know,
Speaker 4: they were like sticking it to the English and they
Speaker 4: were doing this and they were doing that. And then
Speaker 4: over time it turned out that a lot of these
Speaker 4: dudes were like child rapist martyrs, like would just like
Speaker 4: do loads of crazy ship to people whoever they want
Speaker 4: to and get away with it. Then over time I
Speaker 4: think guys kind of like fizzled out of the IRA,
Speaker 4: but kind of I suppose use their connections and stuff
Speaker 4: to become like hitman.
Speaker 5: And I know you like you like killing, you like
Speaker 5: killing right, like you got it. There are certain people
Speaker 5: right that even join like the army or the military
Speaker 5: or go to like be rushing to go to war
Speaker 5: just because they want to get that thrill. And then
Speaker 5: they start getting used to it was actually in a
Speaker 5: war setting, and you start getting used to like killing
Speaker 5: people or you know, then you're like I kind of
Speaker 5: like this this is my purpose. I'm good at this,
Speaker 5: and that's.
Speaker 6: Those are the ones that usually go career and volunteer
Speaker 6: for a bunch of crazy shit. Because those people, honestly,
Speaker 6: at least in America, more often than not, those people
Speaker 6: don't come back.
Speaker 2: They end up getting killed in battle.
Speaker 5: Everyone praises the sniper what's his name, Chris whatever, Kyle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not even gonna fucking go into that fucking Nazi.
Speaker 5: I think he's a psycho.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's absolutely. I don't. I just I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not pro war so either.
Speaker 4: So the yeah, apparently, now I don't know how true
Speaker 4: this is, right, Kobe, just one of those like fucking
Speaker 4: rumors that people make up. Apparently he had got talking
Speaker 4: to her. Now, she had no knowledge that this dude
Speaker 4: had ever been involved in hanging, and they got talking
Speaker 4: about their lives, and as the drink was flown that
Speaker 4: there was a possibility that he had slipped something about
Speaker 4: something he had done or been involved in, and then
Speaker 4: as a result, somebody there with him had said, you know, no,
Speaker 4: we need to she needs to go, Like asap.
Speaker 5: I used to know this girl, like I used to
Speaker 5: know this girl. She's she's she's vanished. But I have
Speaker 5: nothing to do with it. Don't worry. He's like, you're
Speaker 5: drunk and you end up like spilling some spilling some beans.
Speaker 5: You ever see what blood looks like in the pale
Speaker 5: white moonlight, and it's just like, what.
Speaker 4: Are you talking man now, I like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: There there is a lot more. I didn't really dig
Speaker 4: too much into it, but there is a whole backstory
Speaker 4: about that particular theory. A New York based lawyer, Michael
Speaker 4: Griffith and a team of private investigators said that they
Speaker 4: had credible information that led them to believe that Annie
Speaker 4: was never at the pub and was apparently seen by
Speaker 4: a woman, Margaret Wogan in Poppy's Cafe in Enna Scary.
Speaker 4: She said that Annie was with a man with a
Speaker 4: very square face, and this led authorities to believe, although
Speaker 4: never having released the information, that this was a man
Speaker 4: that she had an intimate relationship with while living in Ireland.
Speaker 5: Okay, and there's just nothing else that's it strange.
Speaker 6: It just sounds like someone strung together a theory really quick.
Speaker 6: And they're like they was fucking.
Speaker 5: Like very are they talking about that serial killer? When
Speaker 5: they say very square face? Dude, so that's something? Does
Speaker 5: he have a very square face? When I want what
Speaker 5: is his name, I'm gonna fucking bring up an image.
Speaker 4: Of Larry Murphy. I can't say his name to him.
Speaker 4: If I might summon him, he comes up behind you.
Speaker 4: He's a weird looking motherfucker. So I suppose that why
Speaker 4: you dude looks like trouble. Yeah, he's a freaky dude.
Speaker 2: That says he's a convicted rapist.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so and it's funny thing is what the
Speaker 4: thing he was convicted of, which we'll get to in
Speaker 4: a minute, actually has nothing to do with the vanishing triangle.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's really weird. So three months after this,
Speaker 4: I suppose, in the in you know, the aftermath of
Speaker 4: this whole whirlwind case of Anni McCarrick, a woman called
Speaker 4: Eva Brennan went missing. Authorities didn't seem to care as
Speaker 4: much about this case. Eva was said to be very
Speaker 4: much a creature of habit and walked from church to
Speaker 4: her parents' house every Sunday to have dinner. She arrived
Speaker 4: at her parents' house at around one pm with the
Speaker 4: intention to have dinner, as they did every single weekend. Apparently,
Speaker 4: a small argument broke out over something as insignificant and
Speaker 4: trivial as what they were going to have for dinner
Speaker 4: that evening between Eva and her siblings. This caused her
Speaker 4: to leave her parents' house. That following Tuesday, Nobody had
Speaker 4: seen her, and her parents decided to visit the flat
Speaker 4: or apartment. The place seemed to be spotless and untouched,
Speaker 4: while some of her items were missing from the apartment.
Speaker 4: Her father noted that the jacket that she was wearing
Speaker 4: in the house in their house on that Sunday was
Speaker 4: in the apartment, which may indicate that she had returned
Speaker 4: her before she went missing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't they have to break in? They had to
Speaker 5: break her window to get in, They asked, some dude, OK, here,
Speaker 5: how many fucking break this window.
Speaker 4: The road that she had to travel to get home
Speaker 4: from her parents house was extremely busy road, and the
Speaker 4: family were all very well known in the area, which
Speaker 4: is unusual that nobody's seen her from the time she
Speaker 4: left to head home. Her family later revealed that she
Speaker 4: saw with bouts of depression from time to time, and
Speaker 4: this furthered the guardies dismissal of her disappearance and the
Speaker 4: case in general. There was no DNA or any real
Speaker 4: investigation for nerdie Mont, and this may have hindered the case.
Speaker 2: No investigation for anything.
Speaker 5: Said, she probably like she was an adult, right, so
Speaker 5: they didn't like. They just said she just probably left.
Speaker 5: They always do this. We're like, I know my daughter.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't leave and do this, and then it's just
Speaker 5: like the cops, like adults do weird things. It's not
Speaker 5: a kid. So and this is uh this creepy fun Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I know there's like, you know, the stereotype of
Speaker 6: the smaller community being the safer community and everything like that.
Speaker 2: But like, is there like a lot of violent crime
Speaker 2: in Ireland? Is it?
Speaker 6: Is it a thing other than like the politically motivated
Speaker 6: air quotes on that they.
Speaker 5: Stab each other with potatoes, they use potato guns, they
Speaker 5: throw potatoes.
Speaker 2: Christ we both reached through the screen and just slappy
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: I just want to mention that his eyes, this Larry
Speaker 5: Murphy character's eyes are very like he's possessed by some sort.
Speaker 6: Of quick He kind of looks like Jigsaw to me,
Speaker 6: it looks like Jigsavi again before he started losing weight
Speaker 6: from the cancer.
Speaker 4: He looks like Jigsaw mixed with fucking Palpatine from Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, so what's what's the violent crime situation
Speaker 6: like in Ireland?
Speaker 4: So I would have probably said for a long time
Speaker 4: that Ireland is quite a safe and easy going country.
Speaker 4: But the more I think you dig into these cases,
Speaker 4: the more you realize that that may not be the case.
Speaker 4: A lot of older generations now figured that, like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's finally gotten here. I suppose a lot of times
Speaker 4: we would look on the news and see like you know,
Speaker 4: the States and places like that, and they go, all
Speaker 4: this crazy stuff happens in other countries and not here.
Speaker 4: You know, you see the Middle East, all this shit
Speaker 4: going on. Yeah, And I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 4: I think it's just we were really good at hiding
Speaker 4: it here, and there was a lot of and I
Speaker 4: think for the reason of what I just said a
Speaker 4: second ago about it's quite a small country. It feels
Speaker 4: a lot of times like everyone's only maybe one or
Speaker 4: two people away from somebody who's a person away from
Speaker 4: that person. So I think it's like a lot of
Speaker 4: people feel like, well, you know that guy apparently her
Speaker 4: boyfriend was the one who don't say anything. We don't
Speaker 4: want to be involved. It's another business. We don't want
Speaker 4: it at our door. That's just yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: It at arm's length, just like I don't want anything
Speaker 6: to do with this.
Speaker 4: It's way more drama and like you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: even like the the whole thing with the chart here
Speaker 4: you know, all the priests abuse and the fucking kids
Speaker 4: three years and what when Yeah, when it seems like it's.
Speaker 6: Almost worse where you guys are than anywhere else. Like
Speaker 6: you guys kind of got the brunt of it.
Speaker 4: And that's because even when my grandparents were young, you know,
Speaker 4: something as simple as if you were walking up the
Speaker 4: sidewalk and it was a priest or remember a clergy
Speaker 4: walking towards you, didn't matter if there was no it
Speaker 4: didn't matter if there was like twenty people in a
Speaker 4: group walking towards them and they were on their own.
Speaker 4: You would all have to step off onto the road.
Speaker 4: And like Genifflect and.
Speaker 5: Like bow, I wouldn't be doing that ship what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, they like they had control of And apparently
Speaker 4: if you had went home and said, like, you know,
Speaker 4: fucking fat or whatever, you know, grabbed my buttle, like
Speaker 4: grab my dick or he hit me or something like that,
Speaker 4: if you went home and told your parents that, they'd
Speaker 4: beat the shit out of you for yeah, because they
Speaker 4: thought like that the church can do no wrong. So
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 5: Father McMurray just didn't my my my pea stick and
Speaker 5: he did not do that.
Speaker 4: I think that's why maybe only now it's actually common
Speaker 4: to fruition of how much crime and how many fucking
Speaker 4: sick motherfuckers are here?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well wasn't the Irish constitution.
Speaker 6: It was written up by a bunch of a politician
Speaker 6: and a priest, right or something like that. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: the church had direct control over it ton of stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and no wonder.
Speaker 5: You guys like, yeah, because a lot of times, obviously
Speaker 5: in churchy religious type settings, they're always like, you know,
Speaker 5: we don't talk about that, keep that quiet, like just
Speaker 5: they they don't want to see that there's a massive
Speaker 5: issue withinside this faith, in this thing that they worship,
Speaker 5: in this place that they go, where these men that
Speaker 5: specifically maybe chose this job strictly to actually blest kids.
Speaker 6: So okay, here's here's my other question. Was it because
Speaker 6: I know there was the stereotype here as well, like
Speaker 6: from when my grandparents were around, which was like, oh,
Speaker 6: if you don't stop fucking misbehaving, I'm gonna send you
Speaker 6: to the convent or I'm gonna send you to whatever.
Speaker 6: Was that like something that you guys had as well,
Speaker 6: where it was like wayward kids were sent to a
Speaker 6: reformatory and then became priests or became nuns and stuff,
Speaker 6: just because I know that the the washing thing is
Speaker 6: something that you guys had, right, the washrooms or whatever
Speaker 6: that they would just take in unwed mothers.
Speaker 4: Oh. The the the laundries, the laundries, yes, yeah, Magdalen laundries.
Speaker 2: That that shit is like that's just real fucked up.
Speaker 5: What I want to hear about this. I've never heard
Speaker 5: about this. Give me a brief.
Speaker 4: So there is there's these things called like I suppose
Speaker 4: mother and baby homes from years ago, so it would
Speaker 4: be like see here as well. Like that it was
Speaker 4: and probably ontil like maybe in the last you know,
Speaker 4: forty fifty years, it was very like you know, if
Speaker 4: a young girl got pregnant or anything like that, there
Speaker 4: was a lot of like shame and like we don't
Speaker 4: want people to think our family is like lesser than
Speaker 4: anybody else. So a lot of young girls and newborn
Speaker 4: babies were sent away to these like I suppose like
Speaker 4: similar to a convent or a boarding school or something
Speaker 4: like that. Over the last you know, maybe ten years,
Speaker 4: they've discovered like there's one in a place called Cheum,
Speaker 4: which is kind of in the middle of Ireland. And
Speaker 4: they discover the remains of seven hundred and ninety six
Speaker 4: dead children.
Speaker 5: Oh the fucked It sounds like Canada with their fucking
Speaker 5: indigenous schools, the residential schools. That's fucking nuts.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure that place and this is not the
Speaker 4: only like there's there's like apparently mass graves like all
Speaker 4: over Ireland and all these fucked up places. And that
Speaker 4: was one of those things where it was like the
Speaker 4: idea of being sent there was basically like it wasn't
Speaker 4: kind of like go somewhere and just kind of start
Speaker 4: your life over. It was basically like if I'm going there,
Speaker 4: I'm fucked. Yeah, because we're gonna get Yeah, we're probably
Speaker 4: gonna be like grape and like beaten and fucking martyred
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 5: The priests were that bad, Oh dude, I thought it.
Speaker 2: Was the nuns that were doing most of that ship.
Speaker 6: But I would assume that, yeah, for the priests, they're
Speaker 6: gonna just let them come in and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of Gerbils around there. I make light
Speaker 5: of dark situations. I was like laughing about like I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: they fucking diddle kids. But a guy who laugh because
Speaker 5: I'm uncomfortable and the fact that this does happened.
Speaker 2: So where is this place near?
Speaker 4: So chum is? I can't remember exactly. Let me see.
Speaker 4: So it's in County Galway.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see goal Away. Oh t u a m Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, Like, like like you said earlier, Tom,
Speaker 4: this Eva Brendan girl that went missing in Waterford. The
Speaker 4: police basically just went, yeah, look, you did say she
Speaker 4: was like depressed from time to time. So I think
Speaker 4: she probably threw herself in the river and.
Speaker 5: Throw yourself in there, You're just like, go for a swim.
Speaker 5: I's like, I'm just gonna get lost within the rapids.
Speaker 2: Now I love that. That's just the fucking like this
Speaker 2: should probably just the result on the river. It's fine,
Speaker 2: it's whatever.
Speaker 4: We're not like the family were like, well, there's no note,
Speaker 4: there was no like anything to suggest that the suicide
Speaker 4: was even a thing, and they went, yeah, no, we
Speaker 4: think so and her family are still adamant that she
Speaker 4: potentially let someone into her apartment and and that's where
Speaker 4: it happened because when they got to the apartment and
Speaker 4: the place was like incredibly spotless and tidy. Some of
Speaker 4: her stuff was missing, but the jacket that she had
Speaker 4: been last seen and was there.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: If chloroform just like and then just fucking take him
Speaker 5: into a van, It's it would be very quick. I've
Speaker 5: heard stories in Romania about fucking cars pulling up and
Speaker 5: like gutting someone for their fucking their their organs for
Speaker 5: the black market, and it happens within seconds.
Speaker 2: Like that seems like an urban legend or an exaggeration.
Speaker 6: I'm sure that organ harvesting does happen, but I think
Speaker 6: the whole in a matter of seconds outside of a
Speaker 6: van seems a little bit.
Speaker 5: Do you know I've mentioned that guy on the Reptilian episode.
Speaker 5: You know how I talked to that reptile expert when
Speaker 5: I worked in restaurants. He was the pest control guy. Okay,
Speaker 5: he heard me talking about the Illuminati, and then we
Speaker 5: started getting talks. He's the one that told me that
Speaker 5: he's a rep He was a reptile expert in that
Speaker 5: it would be if your body were to inhabit a soul,
Speaker 5: or like a body, your soul would in habit of body,
Speaker 5: it would the best would be a reptile because you'd
Speaker 5: be able to regrow limbs and all the shit that
Speaker 5: reptiles were able to do. This same guy said that
Speaker 5: his wife was on a phone with her friend in
Speaker 5: I think Romania, and she was working there and she
Speaker 5: was on the phone with him. She's they're married, and
Speaker 5: she's at her friend's house or she's having a call
Speaker 5: with her friend that is in Romania. And she said
Speaker 5: she was on the phone while this her kid was
Speaker 5: playing outside, and this van pulled up and they just
Speaker 5: gutted the boy right in the middle and out in
Speaker 5: the open, took his and she saw the big bucket.
Speaker 5: And this guy told me this story, and I don't
Speaker 5: know if it holds any truth, but and they said
Speaker 5: the body just dropped and then they got the fuck
Speaker 5: out of there, and the woman was screaming on the
Speaker 5: phone to this guy's wife.
Speaker 2: That's pretty fantastic. That's that's horrifying.
Speaker 5: Would this pest control guy lie to me that fucking
Speaker 5: probably believes in reptilities.
Speaker 6: He's got Dale Gribble syndrome and he was huffing too
Speaker 6: many fucking lethal chemicals.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: I love that story all right? Back to back, did
Speaker 5: so again.
Speaker 4: This is another really short, I guess synopsis of another case.
Speaker 4: Some of these cases were kind of really extensive, and
Speaker 4: then other ones are just kind of thrown in there
Speaker 4: in the scene to be like, yeah, we don't give
Speaker 4: a shit. So we're moving on to Amelda Keenan, who
Speaker 4: went missing on January third, nineteen ninety four. She was
Speaker 4: supposedly seen walking by the Tower Hotel in Waterford City
Speaker 4: willout to collect her dole payment, which would be like
Speaker 4: a social welfare payment. Waterford is actually probably about forty
Speaker 4: minutes from where I'm at, so she went to the
Speaker 4: post office to collect this, but it was closed due
Speaker 4: to being a bank holiday. There are disputes about whether
Speaker 4: it was actually closed on the day in question, did
Speaker 4: she even attempt to go and collect the payment as
Speaker 4: the only person to say this was her fiance, who
Speaker 4: didn't report her missing as keilty considering that she went
Speaker 4: out to run some errands and didn't come home. The
Speaker 4: witness who saw Melda by the Tower Hotel has been
Speaker 4: called into question also regarding her memory of the entire thing.
Speaker 4: There's very little information about this case, and it falls
Speaker 4: in the middle of somewhere between people feeling that it
Speaker 4: is part of the vanishing trying, while many others don't.
Speaker 4: The only suspicious person in the case is her partner,
Speaker 4: Mark Wall. The red flags include him not reporting her missing.
Speaker 4: Story about the post office may have been made up
Speaker 4: and he didn't realize that they weren't open that day
Speaker 4: due to the bank all day. And he is also
Speaker 4: the only person to report that Amelda had told him
Speaker 4: not long ago or not long before she disappeared, that
Speaker 4: she was down and out, which seemed like he was
Speaker 4: pushing all the time for a suicide story.
Speaker 5: That is weird. He seems super sketchy.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you just kind of go, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I guess it has nothing to do with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I don't get that or like or
Speaker 5: at least look for more evidence. But I guess if
Speaker 5: you really don't have evidence, guy, then his story.
Speaker 4: And shit, yeah, like there's there's I need to be
Speaker 4: very careful about one of the cases in particular, because
Speaker 4: it's probably like ten minutes away from her. Oh shit,
Speaker 4: do you.
Speaker 5: Think that people are gonna fight, like listen to this
Speaker 5: and then find you.
Speaker 4: You know what? Right? That was a genuine concern because
Speaker 4: I've been fascinated by this case and I really want
Speaker 4: to dig into it, and I like for obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: for entered him and purposes or whatever, but I was
Speaker 4: actually genuinely fascinated of, like I really want to take
Speaker 4: a look at this and have a conversation about like
Speaker 4: what the fuck is the story with this? But then obviously,
Speaker 4: you know, we have some lighthearted fun and I often worry,
Speaker 4: like you know, how obviously there's real people involved that
Speaker 4: are like actually affected, like somebody belonged to them has
Speaker 4: gotten missing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: So for anybody who does this to I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to make you know, light of the situation any think,
Speaker 4: it's just I think it's, like Tom said earlier, sometimes
Speaker 4: it's easier to maybe process some of this stuff when
Speaker 4: you're uncomfortable by just kind of being like, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because how crazy.
Speaker 6: Oh No, Humor's a great coping method. I just wish
Speaker 6: half of Tom's jokes were actually funny.
Speaker 5: Well, it's just it's my weird brain, and I just
Speaker 5: it's just I'm honest, I tell I know.
Speaker 6: But it's just like every word that pops into that
Speaker 6: head maybe maybe formulated into a joke before you send
Speaker 6: it out.
Speaker 5: Maybe this was about yeah, fucking you know, but it is.
Speaker 5: It is weird too, Rite and the fact that like
Speaker 5: I never get paranoid like that. It is weird because,
Speaker 5: like we've said a lot of shit making fun of
Speaker 5: like we tried to never make fun of the victims,
Speaker 5: but it's happened, like especially with episodes me and Billy
Speaker 5: have done just maybe their names or you know. There
Speaker 5: it's and you gotta tread carefully because we're a dark
Speaker 5: comedy podcast. We want to try and make light of
Speaker 5: these situations. But like I've said, when we talked about
Speaker 5: Chris Watts, that was really recent and it was just
Speaker 5: it was more disturbing, like where you couldn't really make
Speaker 5: jokes because how recent it was, and it's like you
Speaker 5: can make jokes about him and how crazy he was
Speaker 5: maybe the power of the pussy type of thing. But
Speaker 5: the thing is it that case strictly like it was
Speaker 5: like it's too close to home, like new like it
Speaker 5: just happened, Doc just came out about it. So there
Speaker 5: is It gets like that when you think about cases
Speaker 5: that relate to where you're from or around you.
Speaker 6: So I think I think the instance of this is
Speaker 6: like imagine if the Carlamoka, the Barbie and Ken cases,
Speaker 6: We're still going on because that's the closest to you
Speaker 6: what those were still going on, right, But imagine if
Speaker 6: you were doing this while that was happening, and it's
Speaker 6: like eventually someone's gonna know somebody who's gonna send them
Speaker 6: and then it's gonna get back to you.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's what.
Speaker 5: You mean, right, Like, yeah, yeah, it is is. I
Speaker 5: was gonna say, I know it was was scary, but
Speaker 5: I did, uh when all him. I did grow up
Speaker 5: around Calamoka and Papinard, like I was in that same
Speaker 5: city when I was a kid, So it is it
Speaker 5: was creepy to talk about it considered.
Speaker 6: But Aaron, like you're saying, you know, you're only two
Speaker 6: or three people away from everybody knowing everybody, so it's
Speaker 6: possible that somebody hears this and it gets back to
Speaker 6: one of them and then it comes.
Speaker 2: Back to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think maybe maybe in the case of
Speaker 4: Ireland in general, I don't want to say I don't care,
Speaker 4: but like I don't feel as concerned. But you know,
Speaker 4: locally here there's a lot of stuff that's been said
Speaker 4: or has gone around about the case of filing the
Speaker 4: Sinus that I don't know some of those people are
Speaker 4: still around here or I don't know how they feel
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, they're gonna run to their friend, but like, all right,
Speaker 5: there's this podcast, okay, and he said some shit, and
Speaker 5: then there's like people knocking at your door screaming in.
Speaker 5: They're just gonna they're just gonna be saying, give us
Speaker 5: the address of that Tom person.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go kick his ass. Come fine, you better
Speaker 4: you beoutter had a spare room if I have to
Speaker 4: leave the.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: So in November nineteen ninety five, another woman went missing,
Speaker 4: Jojo Dullard. I've heard this pronounced so many different ways,
Speaker 4: Jojo Dollard, and no.
Speaker 5: One wants to call her a Dullard, because you know
Speaker 5: what that is.
Speaker 4: She She had traveled from kill Kenny to Dublin to
Speaker 4: visit friends, and after missing her bus home, she decided
Speaker 4: to get a different bus to gil dare Nace to
Speaker 4: be specific at around ten to fifty pm and hitch
Speaker 4: the ride to Moon. Once she arrived, this place is
Speaker 4: still around seventy kilometers from her home, she called her friend.
Speaker 4: Here we go again now. She called her friend from
Speaker 4: a payphone in Moon and told her the situation, but
Speaker 4: then she put down the phone and seemed to walk
Speaker 4: away from it, only to return moments later and tell
Speaker 4: her that someone had stopped and she had a lift home. However, however,
Speaker 4: she never arrived home and has never been seen or
Speaker 4: heard from since. Did this mystery person cause her harm?
Speaker 4: Who was the person and what was her intentions? A
Speaker 4: short time later, a woman similar to JoJo's description was
Speaker 4: seen leaning into the back door of a dark colored
Speaker 4: Tiola type car. There were further sightings of a woman
Speaker 4: similar to her in Castle Darmouth, County kill There, which
Speaker 4: is five miles from Moon, at around midnight on the
Speaker 4: same evening. The driver or occupants of this Tyola have
Speaker 4: never been traced. In twenty twenty one, it was announced
Speaker 4: that the truck driver had come forward that said he
Speaker 4: had saw a woman. Now, this is just bizarre to me.
Speaker 4: He had saw a woman running naked and screaming on
Speaker 4: the night of the disappearance. He was driving with his
Speaker 4: boss at the time. So apparently he was only young
Speaker 4: and he was like not an intern, but he was
Speaker 4: like the new guy or whatever, and he was driving
Speaker 4: with his boss in the lorry.
Speaker 5: So his boss saw it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So apparently his boss got out and attempted to
Speaker 4: run after, like to see what was up, and she
Speaker 4: just like bolted. He couldn't catch her, so he got
Speaker 4: back in and they called the police and they were told,
Speaker 4: don't worry about it, we'll send a carrot, which is
Speaker 4: like the Irish thing I think at the time is
Speaker 4: very casual, like, ah, look whatever, yeah, don't be worrying
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: That sounds like a horror movie, Like see a woman
Speaker 5: running through the forest across the street like naked.
Speaker 2: It gives me Devil's rejects vibes or stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So this is probably the first time now we're going
Speaker 4: to see from this point on where a lot of
Speaker 4: this stuff kind of crosses over. So the area that
Speaker 4: this site apparently took was less than nine kilometers from
Speaker 4: a site that was searched in the disappearance of Dear
Speaker 4: Joe Jacob, who went missing a couple of years after this.
Speaker 4: After this, when they found out about the missing women,
Speaker 4: they went to make a statement and it was said
Speaker 4: that the woman they saw couldn't have been Jojo as
Speaker 4: she was seen in Castle Darmott Afterwards, in twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: the case was updated from missing persons to a murder investigation.
Speaker 4: There have been a number of suspects in the case
Speaker 4: since it happened. Her family felt a man who gave
Speaker 4: contradicting statements that owned an abandoned farm was the key
Speaker 4: to finding her. However, as the land was private, a
Speaker 4: search warrant was never obtained. Fifteen months after the disappearance,
Speaker 4: a taxi driver came forward with information about something he
Speaker 4: saw on the night three miles north of Waterford, which
Speaker 4: was about fifty miles south of where she was last seen.
Speaker 4: He saw a red car with British number plates and
Speaker 4: a man urinating beside the car. Suddenly he saw a distressed,
Speaker 4: barefoot woman run from the rear left hand door. A
Speaker 4: second man appear and grabbed her by the hair, bear,
Speaker 4: hugged her and dragged her back to the car.
Speaker 5: That is like some fucking you're right, like Texas chance
Speaker 5: and mask your style, like just like fucking leather face
Speaker 5: grabbing the chicken, dragging her into the bad Like that's
Speaker 5: fucking scared.
Speaker 6: I mean that, but that's also kind of hostily. Human trafficking, yes.
Speaker 2: Very much.
Speaker 5: And the thing is we have it here. But human trafficking,
Speaker 5: especially child trafficking, shit is is very prevalent in Europe.
Speaker 5: That's where it takes place because everything is connected.
Speaker 2: So you think about it too that way, you're not.
Speaker 6: It's not as though it's Canada where it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: we're getting the you know, the RCMP on it, or
Speaker 6: the States where it's like we're getting jets on it. Man,
Speaker 6: it's it's like you're talking about a series of countries.
Speaker 6: You have to get Interpol involved, right if you're gonna
Speaker 6: try and like prosecute stuff. And I would imagine it's probably
Speaker 6: the same thing as it is here. If you're not
Speaker 6: if you don't come from a place of affluence, they're
Speaker 6: not gonna have the money or the influence to make
Speaker 6: it happen.
Speaker 2: You're gonna bring it up and someone's gonna be like, well, sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, New York c MP is hiding Robert Picton's rear.
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
Speaker 6: The RCMP Robert Picton connection, that's pretty fucking that's pretty
Speaker 6: fucking interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll have to talk about that. We're gonna do
Speaker 5: an episode about that. But Aaron, it's fucking weird, you know,
Speaker 5: Rob picked it is right, the pig farmer, there's a
Speaker 5: connection to fucking even Trudeau and politicians with in that
Speaker 5: they could been making people go missing and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And it's really strange and the RCNP is trying to
Speaker 5: cover it up and get rid of all the files
Speaker 5: right now. So it's fucking weird, strange stuff going on.
Speaker 2: That might just be the connection with a one mister
Speaker 2: Trudeau y.
Speaker 4: So a criminal gang apparently from the from the traveling community.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, fucking gypsy caravans were suspected, and one man
Speaker 4: in his twenties would become a suspect after being convicted
Speaker 4: of raping a thirteen year old girl in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: He would then go on to be known as one
Speaker 4: of the most evil and violent men in Ireland, having
Speaker 4: committed crimes against both traveling and settled people, and was
Speaker 4: also believed to be living in Dundalk around the time
Speaker 4: Kira Breen went missing in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 5: So this guy was going around like he was going
Speaker 5: around killing travelers.
Speaker 4: Well, he was going around committing crimes like I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, like are they trying to fight him every time
Speaker 5: he tried to fucking pull up here?
Speaker 4: And it's funny. I couldn't find this guy's name, but
Speaker 4: apparently he was living in Dundalk around the time that
Speaker 4: a girl who goes missing. A little bit later, Kira
Speaker 4: Breen went missing, and at the minute he's serving a
Speaker 4: twenty one year sentence for raping a woman in her eighties.
Speaker 5: Hold fuck fuck, that's.
Speaker 2: Like Ramirez, yeah, Ramirez, how old years were?
Speaker 5: Just like all right, today it's a twenty year old.
Speaker 5: Tomorrow it's an eighty five year old. It's all good.
Speaker 6: I like whatever, Just insert the insert the Rick James
Speaker 6: cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true. I gotta get that out. It's fucking weird.
Speaker 4: Man. So four years later, now this is the part
Speaker 4: where he enters the picture. Four years later, a thirty
Speaker 4: five year old father of two, Larry Murphy, was arrested
Speaker 4: after he kidnapped a woman in Carlo and repeatedly raped
Speaker 4: and attempted to kill her in the Wicklow Mountains before
Speaker 4: being spotted by two hunters. Larry Murphy would go on
Speaker 4: to be a huge suspect and a part in many
Speaker 4: of these cases. Another thing I found out that so
Speaker 4: this woman had also frequented a pub very very often,
Speaker 4: apparently where convicted murder David Lawler also drank. He was
Speaker 4: convicted in nineteen ninety five of raping and murdering a
Speaker 4: woman by the name of Marilyn Rinn who right David Lawler,
Speaker 4: who was also a convicted rapist and murder who drank
Speaker 4: in the same pub all the time as Larry. This woman,
Speaker 4: oh right, as this woman also happened to be a
Speaker 4: close friend and distant cousin of none other than Larry Murphy.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's like a team effert thing, like
Speaker 2: a what's this fuck? And Henry Henry Lee Lucas noticed tool.
Speaker 4: And this was something that in the last like maybe
Speaker 4: six or eight years, has been looked at more and
Speaker 4: more that maybe it wasn't just a serial killer. Maybe
Speaker 4: there was multiple people involved. So there's another guy by
Speaker 4: the name of Thomas Dalton, who is another cousin of
Speaker 4: Larry Murphy, who was also arrested and charged for face
Speaker 4: fucking a woman outside of a kill Kenny nightclub in
Speaker 4: twenty ten.
Speaker 2: So what so was it assault or was she a
Speaker 2: willing participant in that?
Speaker 4: She was like apparently she was like out of her
Speaker 4: mind drunk, and he was like, yeah, I'm gonna fight,
Speaker 4: so fuck you and you're just gonna Wow.
Speaker 5: That's fucking crazy sounds like all right, that's fun.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is fun.
Speaker 5: That's it's just like all right, and everyone's watching and
Speaker 5: fucking guys are clapping because guys are assholes, and well,
Speaker 5: I just reminds me of that eighties like whole like
Speaker 5: animal house, like we're gonna go steal the girl's panties.
Speaker 2: That wasn't the eighties, that was meant to be the fifties.
Speaker 5: But yes, like either way, we're gonna go fucking steal
Speaker 5: their panties and sniff them. We're gonna watch them naggy.
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, that's maybe a bad idea.
Speaker 6: Oh no, you're talking about Revenge of the Nerds, where
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, so much everything in this film is
Speaker 6: you getting away with a sexual assault like that?
Speaker 2: It's fucked up? No, but yeah, I mean you're not wrong.
Speaker 6: That whole meathead thing of dudes drunkides walking out of
Speaker 6: the bar and they see somebody getting them, you know,
Speaker 6: a blowjob. They don't know that it's a forceful one,
Speaker 6: and they're just like, we get him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. True, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 4: And he I think there was like multiple charges against
Speaker 4: him for that and he only got convicted on like
Speaker 4: the final account and he only got twelve months.
Speaker 5: What the It's just crazy people can get away with that.
Speaker 5: Ship then you have people that just protest and now
Speaker 5: they're trying to fil him for ten years.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got you got the you know, the
Speaker 6: justice system that works like that where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: twelve months and then over here somebody gets caught with
Speaker 6: a bag of weed in the wrong state and they're
Speaker 6: doing fucking life.
Speaker 4: It's fucking weird, fucking bizarre.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the states are really fucking bad. We have no
Speaker 6: we have I take that back.
Speaker 2: In the United States, we have the best justice system that.
Speaker 6: Money can buy. Yeah, if you got the money, you're
Speaker 6: getting away with it. That's basically what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 5: It's true. It's true. It's very true.
Speaker 7: So she wasn't.
Speaker 4: August twenty third, nineteen ninety six, a twenty five year
Speaker 4: old woman by the name of Fiona Pender goes missing
Speaker 4: from her Church Street apartment in Tullamoro, County Athlete. At
Speaker 4: the time she went missing, she was seven months pregnant.
Speaker 4: She lived with her boyfriend at the time, John Thompson,
Speaker 4: having recently moved back from London. At the end of
Speaker 4: the previous year. Some say that he was reluctant to
Speaker 4: this plan to move and felt like he let his
Speaker 4: family down as he helped to keep their vast farmland.
Speaker 4: John came from lots of money, while Fiona came from
Speaker 4: a more humble background. Her being out shopping with her
Speaker 4: mother all day and then getting back to the family
Speaker 4: home to chat with her parents, She got a taxi
Speaker 4: home with her mother at around seven pm, who made
Speaker 4: sure that she got inside safe. The following day, her
Speaker 4: mother called, but the blinds were down and she assumed
Speaker 4: that she was just resting. Later that evening, her dad
Speaker 4: walked past and the blinds were still down and no
Speaker 4: lights on inside, but he assumed that she was either
Speaker 4: still tired or maybe out with friends. The last person
Speaker 4: to have any account of seeing her was her boyfriend
Speaker 4: John at six am on that Friday morning, when he
Speaker 4: was leaving to work on the family farm about eight
Speaker 4: miles away. He told Fiona's parents that he stayed on
Speaker 4: the farm that night and assumed Fiona was in their house. Now,
Speaker 4: this is the part I don't understand. So her partner,
Speaker 4: who she lives with, hadn't heard from her all day,
Speaker 4: she's heavily pregnant. He miraced like for some reason, conveniently
Speaker 4: decides that every other night he stays at home, he's
Speaker 4: going to stay on the family farm that night. But again,
Speaker 4: cell phone weren't readily available, so it's not like you
Speaker 4: could just check up on her. However, there were were
Speaker 4: reports that there was a huge strain on the relationship,
Speaker 4: from the pregnancy to differing opinions about the farm and
Speaker 4: living situations. There were reports that have been hard shouting
Speaker 4: at each other on multiple occasions, but this was never
Speaker 4: one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: So you know, was pregnant, Yeah, seven months pregnant when
Speaker 5: she disappeared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fucked up.
Speaker 6: Man, almost ready to pop too, Like seven months, you
Speaker 6: got two more to go.
Speaker 4: And crazy witnesses came forward with two different sightings. One
Speaker 4: man said he was leaving again. Now this is fucking like,
Speaker 4: I don't understand this. One man said he was leaving
Speaker 4: a pub at two am that night and saw two
Speaker 4: men bundling a bulky item wrapped in carpet into the
Speaker 4: back of a large four x four vehicles.
Speaker 6: Much you were found say, there's not much you wrap
Speaker 6: in carpet other than a body, so that's true, and
Speaker 6: this kind of ties in with another completely statement that said.
Speaker 4: They saw a four x four driving erradically on a
Speaker 4: back road near the Sleeve Blue Mountains, which is where
Speaker 4: Larry Murphy committed that crime, which is about twenty miles
Speaker 4: from Tullamore. He saw one person inside the car and
Speaker 4: the only other thing he can remember was there was
Speaker 4: a sticker on the windscreen saying keep her lit. This
Speaker 4: person was never found. In April ninety seven, John Thompson,
Speaker 4: his father, and three sisters were arrested on suspicion of
Speaker 4: her disappearance, but were released after twelve hours of questioning.
Speaker 4: They were critical of the GUARDA about this and field
Speaker 4: they were painted as the culprits without any evidence. The
Speaker 4: case spanned as far as America, when a woman accused
Speaker 4: her husband of physical and sexual attacks against her, and
Speaker 4: apparently one night in a rage, she said I killed
Speaker 4: that bitch, Fiona Pender, and you'll be.
Speaker 5: Next, and he was in the States.
Speaker 4: She offered the exact locations that he detailed, but it
Speaker 4: yielded little results. Apparently this man's name was John Thompson.
Speaker 5: That's he had moved to the States. That's really weird.
Speaker 5: So this guy in an Irishman moved to the States
Speaker 5: and then he's dating a chick and he's beating her
Speaker 5: up and being like, you know, I killed that shiit
Speaker 5: in Ireland and it's just like, you know, that's fucked up. Yep,
Speaker 5: and that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Never they've done like extensive searches in recent years and
Speaker 4: and didn't find anything. There was also in the Sleeve
Speaker 4: Blue Mountains a couple of years back, there was a
Speaker 4: crucifix found. Right that, This is fucking weird. A crucifix
Speaker 4: found and honest, someone had carved Fiona Pender buried here
Speaker 4: and then the a date.
Speaker 5: That's fucking weird.
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
Speaker 5: That is creepy? Respect it's a creepy hontage show.
Speaker 6: I'm sure they you know, checked the area and didn't
Speaker 6: find anything.
Speaker 5: Did they did they dig?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like those mountains and a majority of that area
Speaker 4: has like literally been torn apart time and time again
Speaker 4: and just.
Speaker 6: Looking for Do they ever use like sonic technology or
Speaker 6: anything like that, you know, like the things that like
Speaker 6: shoot read the ground.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of what they've done in rac years
Speaker 4: hasn't really been released now that could I feel that
Speaker 4: that means that they're like, yeah, let's just say, you know,
Speaker 4: we can't release the information because we didn't do fucking anything.
Speaker 5: That's true. I was gonna I was more on the
Speaker 5: on the idea that it was an Irish illuminati, that
Speaker 5: it was kidnapping these women for rituals.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's where your fucking bout mine goes.
Speaker 6: So is it on the still on the conspiracy side
Speaker 6: of it, But unless on the batshit crazy conspiracy side
Speaker 6: of it, is Larry like connected to anyone, Does he
Speaker 6: like have like a distant relative that'sition of power anywhere?
Speaker 4: No, So this is the thing. Before he was caught
Speaker 4: for that rape and attempted murder, he had no previous convictions.
Speaker 4: He wasn't known at all to the police, like he
Speaker 4: was never he wasn't on any file for not even
Speaker 4: a parking ticket. Crazy, and apparently when they when they
Speaker 4: came into his house, like he was married with two
Speaker 4: kids when he done that, when they came to his
Speaker 4: house the following day, he opened the front door and
Speaker 4: like they were like, are you Larry Murphy or whatever?
Speaker 4: And he was like yep, And then he just went
Speaker 4: apparently went I don't know why, I don't know and
Speaker 4: then he put his his head in his hands and
Speaker 4: he was like, I don't know why, I just I
Speaker 4: he went to go rob her money first, and he
Speaker 4: was like it just spiraled. One thing led to another
Speaker 4: and then I don't know. And then he actually said
Speaker 4: to them, he said, can we go inside and can
Speaker 4: I get my wife and can we tell her? That's
Speaker 4: what They went in with him, and he woke his
Speaker 4: wife up and he was like, yeah, this is I
Speaker 4: raped the girl last night, blah blah blah, and it
Speaker 4: seemed like he was going to kind of like, I
Speaker 4: suppose cooperate with them, And as soon as they got
Speaker 4: to the police station, he's like, yeah, no, I robbed her,
Speaker 4: and yeah, okay, I did rape her the first time,
Speaker 4: but then after that she wanted to make love to me.
Speaker 4: So we got back into the car and she made
Speaker 4: love to me. And there was actually fear at one
Speaker 4: point that a jury might think that it was consensual.
Speaker 4: And now he had apparently her injuries were absolutely horrific,
Speaker 4: like he had orally raped her, vaginally raped her, ainly
Speaker 4: raped her.
Speaker 5: It's vaginally a word here is.
Speaker 4: That's our pronunciation? Vaginally is the Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: It's true. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 4: On this part for example. More like I would say
Speaker 4: to Lamore, right, and any any time I ever listened
Speaker 4: to anyone covered this case, because majority of people who
Speaker 4: covered this aren't from Ireland, they pronounced it to Lamore,
Speaker 4: what happened.
Speaker 6: There's literally there's literally a fucking whiskey that's in every
Speaker 6: bar in the States that's called Dullamore.
Speaker 4: Yeah to la More. Yeah, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 4: like pronunciations that I heard of some of this stuff,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, Jesus.
Speaker 5: Christ, oh, you should just cheer me butcher everything. I
Speaker 5: bet there's some people in some countries just screaming at me.
Speaker 6: It's the number one negative review that we have besides
Speaker 6: tom as an Ablest.
Speaker 4: I think. Not long after this, another girl went missing.
Speaker 4: She had went to bed that night, Her mother checked
Speaker 4: on her at two am, and she was missing from
Speaker 4: her room. She was seventeen at the time. It was
Speaker 4: soon discovered that the window opposite the roadway was left
Speaker 4: open on the latch, which indicated that she snuck out,
Speaker 4: something her friends would later say that she don't quite
Speaker 4: often the reason for sneaking out as unknown or who
Speaker 4: she was meeting. Until news came that the local older
Speaker 4: man had been seen talking to Kira on several occasions
Speaker 4: and even hard asking if he could see her later,
Speaker 4: to which she apparently replied, I'll sneak out when my
Speaker 4: mom goes to bed. Had also said yeah. Apparently he
Speaker 4: was like a groovy creep.
Speaker 2: Creep.
Speaker 4: Kira's mother had also said that she had on several
Speaker 4: occasions gotten rid of him from the front garden trying
Speaker 4: to chat with her young daughter. The man's name was
Speaker 4: Leam Muddeling.
Speaker 5: Did you run out with the room?
Speaker 2: Yeahay?
Speaker 5: Or she threw potatoes at him, gone right again?
Speaker 4: Right? This? So this dude Leam Muddlin. They say that
Speaker 4: he was known as the local creep and this was
Speaker 4: just kind of a thing like a lot of the teeners, like,
Speaker 4: you know, he's like the creepy older guy who wants
Speaker 4: to hang out with young people.
Speaker 2: That's how it was back in the day here too.
Speaker 6: It was like molestation and like that was so common
Speaker 6: that it was like, oh, don't stay with Uncle Steve
Speaker 6: for too long by yourself.
Speaker 4: Because this dude was arrested in nineteen ninety nine and
Speaker 4: then again in twenty fifteen, and he died in police
Speaker 4: custody in twenty seventeen, and many believed that he was
Speaker 4: responsible for the murder of Kira breen Strange.
Speaker 5: That is weird.
Speaker 4: So then we'll go really quickly through these one. So
Speaker 4: next is the is the Wexford case. Fiona Sinnot Sunday,
Speaker 4: February eighth, nineteen ninety eight, Fiona was enjoying a drink
Speaker 4: in her local pub, Butlers in Broadway. She called home
Speaker 4: and asked her brother to join her, which he declined.
Speaker 4: She seemed adamant that he joined her, but after he
Speaker 4: mentioned working early the next morning, she didn't put up
Speaker 4: an argument. Sean Carol, her ex boyfriend and father to
Speaker 4: her eleven month old daughter, was also drinking and smoking
Speaker 4: in the pub, but he was alone that night. When
Speaker 4: she left, she did so with him, and they walked
Speaker 4: back to her house together, and he says that he
Speaker 4: slept on the couch and she slept in her room upstairs.
Speaker 4: The following morning, Fiona told him that she would attend
Speaker 4: the doctor for a pain in her arm, and he
Speaker 4: gave her five pounds to get a tax either. He
Speaker 4: was then collected by his mother and went back to
Speaker 4: the family home, where their daughter had stayed. The night before.
Speaker 4: The police noted that the house she rented was spotlessly
Speaker 4: clean and missing some key items that she would have had.
Speaker 4: Sometime after this, a local farmer noted that he found
Speaker 4: some black bags of rubbish on his land that indeed
Speaker 4: contained items with Fiona's name on them. Thinking this was
Speaker 4: a case of illegal dumping, he burned the items and
Speaker 4: only came forward when he heard the news of the
Speaker 4: missing person's case.
Speaker 5: Didn't mean to do with this, I'm just gonna fucking
Speaker 5: burn it.
Speaker 4: This led Guardy to believe that someone was attempting to
Speaker 4: throw him off the trail and make it seem that
Speaker 4: if she had maybe ran away. There have been several
Speaker 4: arrest made in the years following her disappearance, and there
Speaker 4: are many theories about people close to her that may
Speaker 4: know what happened that night. Jesus again, it's a it's
Speaker 4: another one of those cases. I think she's kind of
Speaker 4: been excluded from the triangle they reckon. I think that
Speaker 4: her ex boyfriend was probably the one to fucking kill
Speaker 4: her and then his family.
Speaker 5: It is weird, this is all around the same place,
Speaker 5: but like realistically it could be a couple of different people,
Speaker 5: boyfriends or something like that. But maybe you know, Larry
Speaker 5: Murphy or one of these other dudes like the Thompson
Speaker 5: guy whatever, maybe they killed like two or three of them,
Speaker 5: and then maybe two or three that we think is
Speaker 5: part of the same umbrella of killings or well vanishings
Speaker 5: at least.
Speaker 6: Well, there's always the possibility that while things like that
Speaker 6: are going on, someone's gonna take advantage of the chaos
Speaker 6: and be like, well, I'm gonna settle a score, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna do something, and it's gonna get lumped in with this,
Speaker 6: and then.
Speaker 5: You know, look what's happening in the Ukraine right now.
Speaker 5: They gave them guns and guys went down the street
Speaker 5: and started shooting their fucking neighbor. Like this guy he
Speaker 5: fucked my wife one time, so I went over I
Speaker 5: shot up.
Speaker 2: Because he is a less contemporar.
Speaker 6: Example, a lot of scores were settled on nine to
Speaker 6: eleven because all of the emergency services were occupied, so
Speaker 6: the documented like a bunch of gang violence during September eleven.
Speaker 5: I never thought about that, but that'd be true, like
Speaker 5: the purge, Like I was just like, all right, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go get my fucking shotgun, and this guy down
Speaker 5: the block that pissed on my lawn One time he
Speaker 5: made his dog shit on my lawn and I shot him,
Speaker 5: So it's like, shit, that's fucking nuts. I didn't think
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 4: The final disappearance then in this and this is another
Speaker 4: one that Larry Murphy is apparently connected to. So July
Speaker 4: twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight, dear jo Jacob went missing.
Speaker 4: Josh yards from her front door. She had been spotted
Speaker 4: by over six different people on the streets she lived on,
Speaker 4: and one even saw her in her driveway. However, she
Speaker 4: never made it home. What happened? Where did she go?
Speaker 4: Why she followed? A prisoner who was housed with Larry
Speaker 4: Murphy came forward and said that Larry confessed to killing her,
Speaker 4: and searches were conducted, but with no progress. It is
Speaker 4: also believed that maybe he had work in the area
Speaker 4: around the time that she went missing. He was a
Speaker 4: qualified carpenter, so apparently he traveled around a lot. Another man,
Speaker 4: Rory O'Connor, a convicted double rapist and murder, was interviewed
Speaker 4: about his friendship was interviewed about his friendship with Larry Murphy,
Speaker 4: refused to give much away. They had been living together
Speaker 4: in Amsterdam for some time and were said to keep
Speaker 4: to themselves, owning a motorbike together that they used to
Speaker 4: disappear for transport from time to time. So this thing
Speaker 4: she spotted like walking in her front door, apparently near
Speaker 4: her front.
Speaker 2: Door fote the black and white edmage of her.
Speaker 4: So there's another little bit here that connects Larry Murphy
Speaker 4: to us as well. Her grandmother, I think it was,
Speaker 4: had a shop somewhere and when she died and they
Speaker 4: went through her stuff, they found paperwork with Larry Murphy's
Speaker 4: name and phone number on us.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 4: So apparently it turns out that he had done some
Speaker 4: carpentry work for her at one point. But again it
Speaker 4: just seems like awful. Coincidentally, he seems to appear in
Speaker 4: a lot of these things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he really does seem to just pop up whenever
Speaker 6: something crazy is going on. And like you were saying,
Speaker 6: it is a small area, but it's probably not that
Speaker 6: small that you know.
Speaker 2: He just happened to connect all of these.
Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, a woman by the name of Justine
Speaker 4: Valdez was kidnapped by forty year old Mark Hennessy. He's
Speaker 4: now being investigated to see if he had any involvement
Speaker 4: with the Triangle disappearances. He was shot dead by police
Speaker 4: and Valdez's body was found dumped in an old mine.
Speaker 4: So he's only in the last like three or four
Speaker 4: years he's going to of been pulled into it the
Speaker 4: sea does he have any connection? Because again, another guy
Speaker 4: who had no previous convictions, no parking tickets, no speeding tickets, nothing,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden just decides to abduct
Speaker 4: and murder somebody, trod them in an abandoned mine and
Speaker 4: then getting a shootout with police.
Speaker 5: You're got a shootout with the police too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they shot him dead, So.
Speaker 5: Why the fuck? It's just like if you have no
Speaker 5: prior well at least they don't know at least that
Speaker 5: you have no prior convictions, and you don't seem to
Speaker 5: have a life of crime or stuff like that, and
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden you mostly maybe killed this chick.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, why did he shoot at Like
Speaker 5: why was her a shootout? If he was innocent?
Speaker 4: And I think the FBI in the last couple of
Speaker 4: years had been kind of pulled in to look at this,
Speaker 4: and they were the ones that suggested maybe you should
Speaker 4: actually start to entertain the idea that maybe these guys
Speaker 4: weren't completely innocent and all of a sudden just decided
Speaker 4: randomly to go on like brutally rape and abduct and
Speaker 4: murder women.
Speaker 5: Like has that happened? This guy's all possessed. Maybe there's
Speaker 5: a fucking demon in the in the triangle, because like,
Speaker 5: how like why are all these if it is say
Speaker 5: different people, and you know, I not a small area,
Speaker 5: but not a large area. And then this and then
Speaker 5: you know, this guy fucking murders a woman. Those are
Speaker 5: in a fucking mind and then shoots out the police,
Speaker 5: and then you got Larry Murphy's weird ass, the Boogeyman
Speaker 5: of Ireland. And then uh, you know, it's just it
Speaker 5: is weird. If it is different people, it is strange.
Speaker 6: You're the one that was found in the field. Was
Speaker 6: it didn't one of the bodies they said was found
Speaker 6: in the field. Wasn't that the one who the farmer
Speaker 6: found her her clothes or whatever? I had the tab
Speaker 6: pulled up and it's gone now.
Speaker 4: And I know there's another guy in recent years as well,
Speaker 4: has been pulled into this whole thing. Guy been Namma
Speaker 4: John Creer. He was suspected as being involved, potentially after
Speaker 4: he murdered or after it was found out that he
Speaker 4: murdered a woman called Phyllis Murphy. He murdered her in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine and after he'd given an alibi, he
Speaker 4: was given an alibi by a work friend. He was
Speaker 4: cleared for nearly twenty years before information was given anonymously
Speaker 4: and DNA testing proved that he was the killer. He
Speaker 4: denied even knowing her, even though she had baby sat
Speaker 4: his children on many occasions.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: The Wicklow area where she was found was also close
Speaker 4: to the Sleeve Boom Mountains, which Larry Murphy was known
Speaker 4: to have prowled.
Speaker 6: This guy almost sounds like there's a roving gang of
Speaker 6: rapists that are working like together or something like that.
Speaker 5: I'll get off in the same fashion. That's fucking dear.
Speaker 4: I think the reason as well, and I do believe
Speaker 4: that Larry Murphy is probably connected to probably four of
Speaker 4: those cases. The reason being is he I mean, he
Speaker 4: has what two cousins that have also been convicted of
Speaker 4: like similar things. He has a best friend who he
Speaker 4: moved to Amsterdam with, who's a convicted able rapist and murderer.
Speaker 4: He seems to always like kind of he was living
Speaker 4: in Spain for a time and I think he was
Speaker 4: living with some other like ship bag rapist dude, and
Speaker 4: apparently right now he's working as a carpenter in London.
Speaker 5: That's fucking weird. And it's just like they like it
Speaker 5: was before really the internet was popping off and shit,
Speaker 5: like is there like a meeting place. It's just they
Speaker 5: meet beside a playground and they're like, all right, this
Speaker 5: is and they give each other looks like they have
Speaker 5: like a sign, like a fucking hand sign or a
Speaker 5: face look, and then they're all hanging out and it's weird.
Speaker 4: That's what I don't understand. How to fuck Like, how
Speaker 4: was he organizing? Like he so he was in prison
Speaker 4: with this.
Speaker 6: Dude, Well that's how because that's it's in the States
Speaker 6: is prison. People meet in prison and then they're like just.
Speaker 2: Go for there.
Speaker 4: The guy gets out and moves town stream and then
Speaker 4: two and a half years later, Larry Murphy gets out
Speaker 4: in the first place, he goes as Amstram And I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think of like how to fuck right, say it?
Speaker 4: He walks out of prison, what's your first move to
Speaker 4: even get in contact with like yeah, I know, well, like.
Speaker 2: They were probably sending letters back and forth.
Speaker 6: They were probably still they stayed in touch when he
Speaker 6: was out, and it very well might have been like, hey,
Speaker 6: I got this spot I'm setting up.
Speaker 2: You're gonna need somewhere to go, just come here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fucking it is weird. And the fact that
Speaker 5: his family that he had family that like also had
Speaker 5: obviously sick tendencies, you know what I mean, and like
Speaker 5: it's fucking really weird. Like the fact that you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's pretty rare of a family. It's not that
Speaker 5: rare to have a crazy family member, but then to
Speaker 5: have like two or three people that are like in
Speaker 5: your family that are connected to some weird shit or
Speaker 5: rape or something that it's fucking weird. It's like we're
Speaker 5: all of them raped and then it's just like, well,
Speaker 5: now we got to take it out on somebody else,
Speaker 5: or they were touched or molested or that does happen.
Speaker 4: And again, like where Deirja Jacob, who was like the
Speaker 4: last woman who disappeared, who's like seriously considered as being
Speaker 4: involved in this Spanish and triangle, because there is there
Speaker 4: is actually a lot more just appearances that are may
Speaker 4: have loose links.
Speaker 5: That I heard about one in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's ones even more recent than that. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: But this, dear Ja Jacob one was one of the last,
Speaker 4: like serious serious ones that were considered. I mean. The
Speaker 4: the area that they believe Hard to have went missing
Speaker 4: or potentially been killed in is fifteen kilometers away from
Speaker 4: a place called Baldon Glass, which is where Larry Murphy
Speaker 4: grew up.
Speaker 5: It does sound like this guy is the corporate like
Speaker 5: it does very much sound like this is the it's
Speaker 5: like the serial killer that they like never caught, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Which is also not far from Moon which is where
Speaker 4: Jojo Dullard was last seen at that phone box. Oh okay,
Speaker 4: which is strange. And they have information apparently that leads
Speaker 4: them to believe that Larry Murphy was traveling through that
Speaker 4: area on that night. He apparently was working on some
Speaker 4: building site that was like very close to that area. Again,
Speaker 4: just all seems a little bit too coincidental that he
Speaker 4: seems to be around a memory Anton.
Speaker 5: Coincidences don't exist, Okay.
Speaker 2: No, Tom, coincidences very much do exist.
Speaker 5: You everything happens, you're fucking raising. Okay, Yes, everything happens
Speaker 5: for a reason. Everything is connected, everything, everything is connected. Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: get it, Okay, probably murdered, fucking because he could have
Speaker 5: maybe murdered and killed like it. If you're good, you're good,
Speaker 5: like if you're like maybe he's just like in the
Speaker 5: he knows that the cops are useless. But the thing
Speaker 5: is that he just has a method that not many
Speaker 5: serial killers have is perfected where he can kind of go.
Speaker 5: But who I who knows though, because how is he
Speaker 5: not in jail? Like it's just like he seems like
Speaker 5: the prime suspect.
Speaker 4: I know, right and like he's in London, I mean,
Speaker 4: and right now. They started think a while back called
Speaker 4: Operation Trace, which was they've pulled like six of I
Speaker 4: suppose the best detectives and different things from around the
Speaker 4: country together to look at these cases collectively. And as
Speaker 4: a result of that then they really consider him probably
Speaker 4: the number one suspect in Annie McCarrick's disappearance, Jojo Dollard
Speaker 4: and Deardred Jacob and at the minute, I think the
Speaker 4: Director of Public Prosecutions, which would be like for you
Speaker 4: guys to be like the DA or whatever they're preparing
Speaker 4: a file right now to potentially put a case against
Speaker 4: him for Dear Jacob's murder and have him extradited from
Speaker 4: the UK. Oh nohit okay, and he's gonna go somewhere else.
Speaker 6: No, if they have the extra item and they get
Speaker 6: them pulled back, I mean I would imagine what is
Speaker 6: like bounty hunting out where you guys are?
Speaker 2: Is that a thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It is, but like we don't really ever hear about it.
Speaker 5: I could see the Irish what's the bad hunter in
Speaker 5: the States?
Speaker 4: Stupid fuck the bounty hunter.
Speaker 2: Dog Dog's a fucking piece of ship.
Speaker 5: Like that guy is such a calm show man.
Speaker 2: It's so stupid. But that's he's not even he is.
Speaker 2: He's a character.
Speaker 6: He's not like a big, big bounty hunter like I
Speaker 6: guess he is, but who cares.
Speaker 4: He's actually like do you remember that Gabby petito O
Speaker 4: case and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he said he was gonna go look for
Speaker 2: or whatever like.
Speaker 4: And and he went out there and like you know,
Speaker 4: whatever they found and then he turns and goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: that's not the case. We have this other suspect and
Speaker 4: they're completely wrong, and we're going to give her information
Speaker 4: to the FBI and this and that, and it's like
Speaker 4: you fucking go back. You've become irrelevant now and you
Speaker 4: have no TV so you've literally just decided to get
Speaker 4: in the middle of this case to be like, hey,
Speaker 4: anyone want to give me a TV show?
Speaker 6: That's exactly what it was. Yeah, it was him grasping
Speaker 6: at straw. It's been like, please look at me again.
Speaker 6: It's like everyone's tired of you. You're you were an
Speaker 6: early two thousands thing.
Speaker 4: Just go away, and like, do you remember he was
Speaker 4: with that uh, that wife he had, oh god, that
Speaker 4: like huge, big titted blonde woman. Yes, and she ended
Speaker 4: up unfortunately she got cancer or whatever and died and
Speaker 4: he was like all distraught and he done like these
Speaker 4: interviews with like I don't know, fucking Oprah, doctor Filler
Speaker 4: or some shit, and he was like, oh, I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna get over this. And literally, like six months later
Speaker 4: he was marrying one of her best friends, who literally
Speaker 4: looks exactly like her.
Speaker 2: The dude is not exactly the picture of mental stability.
Speaker 4: So no, like fucking scumbags as well.
Speaker 6: Everybody in his family looks like they're on meth, like
Speaker 6: and I know that was Dog's thing before is that
Speaker 6: he was a meth head, but like they really do
Speaker 6: all look like a bunch of squeakers because he he
Speaker 6: had that whole big thing where he went down to
Speaker 6: Mexico and like pulled back some rapists or something for Mexico,
Speaker 6: which actually almost caused an international affair with Mexico. Like
Speaker 6: it was like the Mexican government like contacted the US
Speaker 6: government was like, what the fuck do you think you're doing,
Speaker 6: Like because the person he went after like apparently had
Speaker 6: really heavy cartel ties and stuff too, So it's like Dog.
Speaker 2: Probably should have ended up in a barrel on fire.
Speaker 4: I read his I read his autobiography, and apparently after
Speaker 4: that they like had this whole big core case that
Speaker 4: they tried to keep on the quiet. Apparently he nearly
Speaker 4: went to jail forever because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he went to prison in Mexico.
Speaker 6: At one point in time, Mexico was like, you're sending
Speaker 6: him down here for extradition because we want his ass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Ireland doesn't have Bog the bounty hunter, and
Speaker 5: he's a short.
Speaker 6: Bogun that fucking pun hang your head in shame.
Speaker 5: I'm here to fucking fight our where these circles are.
Speaker 4: He wasn't there for any of that conversation. He was
Speaker 4: just trying to think of something fun.
Speaker 5: I had it at the very beginning, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna let them talk about dog for a.
Speaker 2: Bit before this episode. Tom, I didn't. I didn't, I know,
Speaker 2: so I said, at least you didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been doing.
Speaker 2: The last three episodes we recorded together. Tom's like, so
Speaker 2: I took like a point five of mushrooms. I was like,
Speaker 2: fucking asshole.
Speaker 5: It's fun, though.
Speaker 4: So what do we think then, just from here and
Speaker 4: what we've heard today, what would you say is the
Speaker 4: most valuable.
Speaker 5: Serial killer which brings us in the next episode. I
Speaker 5: say a serial killer because there's nothing too mysterious where
Speaker 5: it's like it's it's a mystery, yes, but it's most
Speaker 5: likely a physical person.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think it's a fucking you know, it's
Speaker 6: a trickster god going around snatching up people.
Speaker 2: I honestly think that. I mean, obviously, Larry Bishop is
Speaker 2: is most likely Larry Murphy.
Speaker 6: Larry Murphy is is most likely number one suspect, obviously,
Speaker 6: but I think there might be something to the whole
Speaker 6: like group effort going on here, like a loose connection
Speaker 6: of convicted rapist who met each other through prison or
Speaker 6: through other means or whatever.
Speaker 2: And maybe if they're not.
Speaker 6: All connected, maybe they're helping to cover up for each
Speaker 6: other or something like that.
Speaker 5: Like you said about like you know, maybe there was
Speaker 5: two people that took advantage of the situation. Larry Murphy
Speaker 5: was maybe like four of the victims, and then you know,
Speaker 5: two other guys were like taking advantage of it. Or
Speaker 5: it's just like there is a lot of times where
Speaker 5: other victims will be blamed on a serial killer that
Speaker 5: got caught that's like I killed like forty people and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's maybe like ten, like and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: well he probably killed her and he's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I killed her, And then you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people will cop the bodies.
Speaker 6: I mean, if if you've reached a point where you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's no way that I'm gonna you know, either knock
Speaker 6: at the death penalty where I'm not gonna ever see
Speaker 6: you know, a fucking see the later day.
Speaker 2: Again, I had to think for a second.
Speaker 6: Then they're gonna be like, yeah, I killed them, I
Speaker 6: killed fourteen more people, I killed this, I killed that
Speaker 6: and you know, for for strawberry milkshakes, I'll show you
Speaker 6: where the bodies are and then they just take them
Speaker 6: on wild goose chases, like.
Speaker 5: Like Clifford Olson. Man. Clifford Olsen did that. He's like,
Speaker 5: here if you the cops in Canada paid Clifford Olson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 5: He would just be like, this is where the body is,
Speaker 5: and they would take him out and he'd have a
Speaker 5: grand old time and I was able to give money
Speaker 5: to his family.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 4: And with Larry as well. He when he got convicted
Speaker 4: of that fucking rape and attempted murder, he was sentenced
Speaker 4: to fifteen years. I think no, sorry, he was sentenced.
Speaker 4: I want to say he was sentenced to twenty three years,
Speaker 4: and then that was reduced to fifteen for some bullshit reason,
Speaker 4: and then he got out after ten for good behavior.
Speaker 4: And that was in the year two thousand, right that
Speaker 4: he was convicted and whatever, And that was before there
Speaker 4: was something passed in two thousand and one in Ireland.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly what the law itself was, but
Speaker 4: basically he didn't when he got out of prison, he
Speaker 4: didn't need to be like registered anywhere or like followed
Speaker 4: or they didn't need to see where he was going
Speaker 4: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 4: So that's why he's been allut because a lot of
Speaker 4: people wonder, like, how does his motherfucker travel all over
Speaker 4: Europe and just do whatever? Because legally speaking, they don't
Speaker 4: have need grounds to like stop him once. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: could just do whatever.
Speaker 5: It's weird. Your justice system sounds just as bad as ours.
Speaker 4: It's fucking it's fucking bizarre. I actually seen him. You
Speaker 4: guys mentioned about, like, you know, people claiming things just
Speaker 4: to get stuff or whatever. I can't remember the name
Speaker 4: of the case, but I was watching something only like
Speaker 4: a week ago where they had this guy pulled in
Speaker 4: for some some sort of disappearance and he he basically
Speaker 4: just kept them giving them like drip feeding them, like
Speaker 4: false information. He would be like, right, where's my coke,
Speaker 4: where's my McDonald's. Yeah, they would like bring him ship,
Speaker 4: and he'd be like, I need a cigarette so I
Speaker 4: can think. And like he'd done this for like hours
Speaker 4: on end, and it turns out that he literally had
Speaker 4: not to do it whatever.
Speaker 2: He just wanted to get free ship from the cops.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was just as smart. He was in there
Speaker 4: like he was in there for something else and he
Speaker 4: I think he told somebody in the jay like, oh,
Speaker 4: I know what happened.
Speaker 5: That's how it's been. It's being sneaky.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: So it's a strange case, that's for sure. Like it's
Speaker 5: it's it will be you know, good as I have
Speaker 5: a little serious to do because next I, like I said,
Speaker 5: I want to getting into the vanishing triangle. It's people missing,
Speaker 5: it might be kenexed to a serial killer. I would
Speaker 5: love to, you know, talk about maybe a bunch of
Speaker 5: different Irish serial killers and see like because you don't
Speaker 5: really hear about it too often. Obviously, you have more
Speaker 5: or less the States with the you know it just
Speaker 5: you know, the the cases that they have and how
Speaker 5: glorified a lot of serial killers can be in the States.
Speaker 5: It happens slightly in Canada, but it's nothing like the
Speaker 5: United States when it comes to the sensationalism of serial killers.
Speaker 5: And I don't hear I hear some about you know,
Speaker 5: fucking British people killing fucking people, but I don't hear
Speaker 5: much about the Irish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we should probably maybe broadened that a little bit
Speaker 4: and not just serial killers and maybe just martyrs in
Speaker 4: Ireland because there's there is some cases of serial killers,
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of like crazy one off martyrs
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: That or just yeah we can do that.
Speaker 4: There's there's a there's a pair of sisters called Linda
Speaker 4: and Shy Mohall that were branded as the Scissor Sisters.
Speaker 5: I feel like I remember that. Did they did they
Speaker 5: bounce their legs together? Like? Did they?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: They did not? They killed and dismembered their mother's boyfriends.
Speaker 5: With scissors.
Speaker 4: He was killed with a Stanley blade. He was smashed
Speaker 4: in pieces of a hammer, His head and penis were
Speaker 4: sliced off and the rest of his corpse was dismembered
Speaker 4: and dumped in the Royal Canal in Dublin. Spoiled pieces
Speaker 4: of his legs were spotted floating past the biggest stadium
Speaker 4: in Ireland, crow Park, and came out afterwards. They were
Speaker 4: like chopping them up in the bats.
Speaker 6: Of And.
Speaker 5: How old are these these chicks?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure? But if you look up Scissors Sister
Speaker 4: a case on Google for anybody who's listening, and just
Speaker 4: click on the images, you'll see these ugly motherfuckers. They
Speaker 4: look like they're going through sex change.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll bring it up.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna look up Scissor Sisters and it's just gonna
Speaker 6: take me straight to porn.
Speaker 5: That is weird, and like I want to get into
Speaker 5: a bunch of this band got pulled up.
Speaker 4: Yeah sisters, Yeah, of course, holy shit.
Speaker 5: You know if if if nobody looks irish, these people
Speaker 5: definitely look irish. These chicks look like they're irish.
Speaker 6: Like, I'm almost gonna click images, but then I'm worried
Speaker 6: that when I do that, I'm gonna get all bunch
Speaker 6: of crime scene photos be.
Speaker 5: Like, oh God, Yeah, that's fucking crazy. They look I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna say it, but yeah, weird, Go for it,
Speaker 5: Go for it. Anton's not gonna like this. They kind
Speaker 5: of look like trands. She looks a little manly, a
Speaker 5: little butch, both of them a little.
Speaker 4: And I don't even mean that as like a jokey slight,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, yeah, they look.
Speaker 5: Scary looking though, like they look like they killed somebody,
Speaker 5: like the gaunt eyes, Like.
Speaker 4: Do you know what's what's mad about that? I would
Speaker 4: have said at one point in the country here like
Speaker 4: that would have been considered like you're you're kind of
Speaker 4: like typical. I don't want to say a woman, but
Speaker 4: like I suppose like you're common, like kind of trailer trashy.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: It looks like, you know, I feel like the especially
Speaker 5: the blonder one, she looks kind of like an Irish
Speaker 5: gypsy that you could see her like with her caravan
Speaker 5: and hanging out and sucking Brad Pitt's dick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's a there's a like, there's a shit
Speaker 4: a lit of crazy cases like that here.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think Charlie is freaking out. Uh, it's fucking
Speaker 5: weird and I want to get We'll get into that
Speaker 5: next time. We'll talk about different serial killers, like I'll
Speaker 5: maybe get some serial killers and you can get some murders.
Speaker 5: We'll kind of mash it up a little bit, and
Speaker 5: you know, because of how close it is to you, obviously,
Speaker 5: I try to hold back a little bit, a little
Speaker 5: bit of the jokes, but I think it's gonna be
Speaker 5: I'm gonna find it interesting to dive into some of
Speaker 5: the true crime, especially crazy murder cases of Ireland.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I was saying? If I do
Speaker 4: die as a result of this, are gonna miss him?
Speaker 4: At least you'll have a cool shel.
Speaker 5: You'll be fine.
Speaker 6: You'll be fine, and then somehow we're both gonna end
Speaker 6: up murdered because they're gonna, you know, tap people that
Speaker 6: they have over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna get murdered by a short ginger
Speaker 5: man in a couple of months.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Potato, that's.
Speaker 5: A fucking antist joke question.
Speaker 6: Right, because every murder that happens in Canada only happens
Speaker 6: with a maple leaf or a hockey stick.
Speaker 2: So it's fine, I.
Speaker 5: Get drowned in maple syrup. You get the people used
Speaker 5: to think Jeffrey Dahmer got a stick up broom shoved
Speaker 5: up his ass. You're over here, you get a hockey
Speaker 5: stick just deep inside your ainus.
Speaker 6: No, they just they just stuff a whole thing of
Speaker 6: maple leaves down your throat and then pour molson down
Speaker 6: it until you eventually die.
Speaker 4: Very very quickly. Before we wrap this end of the show,
Speaker 4: I just want to ask about you guys. Obviously don't
Speaker 4: have to get like super into a pot. From both
Speaker 4: your opinions, what's like the I suppose missing person or
Speaker 4: disappearance or vanishing case that like really really sticks every
Speaker 4: time someone mentioned something like that, is there one that
Speaker 4: like sticks in your mind? You're like, fuck, I that
Speaker 4: just seems so bizarre and crazy, and I would love
Speaker 4: to know.
Speaker 5: Oh I got Alisa Lamb is fucking weird that it'd
Speaker 5: be like that elevator found in the Yes, the Siso Hotel, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the Cecil Hotel and me and Billy. That's a fucking
Speaker 5: throwback to a way older episode. But that shit is weird,
Speaker 5: and I just like debate if I ever want to
Speaker 5: do it an episode again, like covering that, but I
Speaker 5: think we did enough justice. But the at least the
Speaker 5: Lamb thing is fucking weird. Okay, because Anton got me
Speaker 5: into Discovery. Plus, I watched the fucking Ghost Adventures where
Speaker 5: they go to the CISA Hotel and like the footage
Speaker 5: of it because it brought me back to it recently.
Speaker 5: Is creepy. She's like looking out the elevator and then
Speaker 5: how she got into the tank and it closed. That
Speaker 5: whole entire case sent shivers down my spine, especially when
Speaker 5: you see the footage and you envision her and how
Speaker 5: this dead, creepy hotel that Richard Ramirez and Jacket Uniwagger
Speaker 5: stayed at. And then two serial killers stayed there, and
Speaker 5: then you have this chicken. Then how haunted and how
Speaker 5: many people commit suicide there? Like literally somebody jumped from
Speaker 5: the CISA hotel and then landed on somebody else that
Speaker 5: killed them. That's how fuck hotel or cecil cecil cecil whatever,
Speaker 5: what about you, Antonio band?
Speaker 2: Honestly probably the same that one.
Speaker 6: That one's really the one that it's very I mean,
Speaker 6: there was the case to be made for it just
Speaker 6: being unchecked severe mental illness and then she just in
Speaker 6: a paranoid frenzy crawled into a thing and died because
Speaker 6: there was no way for her.
Speaker 2: To get out.
Speaker 5: But obviously you have the black Dlia too, because yes,
Speaker 5: she she disappeared, but they found her body.
Speaker 6: But I liked that it's not really a disappearance. But
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess neither is Lisa lamb By that
Speaker 6: that's that's category. But I would say the missing four
Speaker 6: one one shit in the case, yes, And that's the
Speaker 6: thing that really comes to mind whenever anyone mentions missing people.
Speaker 5: Which we wanted to cover that and go in deeper
Speaker 5: me and just talking about strange disappearance is way back
Speaker 5: in the day of the show. But I would like
Speaker 5: to do more of extensive episode about it, because man,
Speaker 5: there's the cave system. Shit's weird and it is you know, no,
Speaker 5: we always say do it not that.
Speaker 4: Well wins, reptile wins.
Speaker 5: It's reptilians. Man, they're fucking episode.
Speaker 6: We can't go through one episode without you mentioning the
Speaker 6: reptilians coming mercy.
Speaker 5: That was pretty good. I enjoyed this a lot, and
Speaker 5: it was creepy because it's something I never knew about and.
Speaker 2: Saying like, this is my first time hearing all this
Speaker 2: stuff because we've talked.
Speaker 5: We know we it's finist too, but we didn't know
Speaker 5: you because it would have been pretty good to have
Speaker 5: all four of us on when we did the Irish
Speaker 5: Mythical Monsters episode for Saint Patti's Day, or when I
Speaker 5: got horribly drunk watching drunken videos for the Patreon and
Speaker 5: and there's for the same Fire's Day live show. But
Speaker 5: like there is, I've always liked, you know, getting in
Speaker 5: learning about different style cases, especially in countries which maybe
Speaker 5: I haven't looked into as deeply in Now there's I
Speaker 5: want it. I'm excited to talk about some some Irish
Speaker 5: show killers and murders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that the one thing that still
Speaker 4: even after doing this and you know, rereading books and
Speaker 4: listening to podcasts and watching documentaries and doing as much
Speaker 4: digging as I could, I still feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of these cases are still like even this book here,
Speaker 4: it's it's you know, it's quite a stick and it's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a three hundred page book, but I don't know,
Speaker 4: it still feels very just barely on the surface. A
Speaker 4: lot of the details I don't think, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: are really details.
Speaker 5: I agree, it's very vague.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like all these cases seem to be very vague
Speaker 4: and just kind of like, yeah, that's not really yeah.
Speaker 4: And then even when you go online, there's not really
Speaker 4: that many COMversations happening or rumors or theories. It's just
Speaker 4: kind of like, yeah, it's probably Larry Murphy.
Speaker 6: They're either keeping at the information close to the chest
Speaker 6: or they're just not investigating a lot.
Speaker 4: It seems like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: They don't seem or they don't give a fucking ship,
Speaker 5: which which happens in every country. Canada has that same
Speaker 5: thing when it comes to cops. They're lazy and they
Speaker 5: don't want to or they have ties to it. Who
Speaker 5: fucking knows. It's a it's a strange, strange case. And uh,
Speaker 5: it will be exciting to come back to the uh
Speaker 5: your country, the old Ireland.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, oh god, you have to work on.
Speaker 5: That Ireland going to Ireland.
Speaker 3: Can you give me.
Speaker 5: Your best Cadian.
Speaker 4: Canadian accent? Even like me, like just it.
Speaker 2: Sounds like this very urgo Canadian bird.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 5: I guess you could go new Fee anybody go down
Speaker 5: to the potato farm.
Speaker 6: Anybody, I forget you're go new for you just gotta
Speaker 6: go trailer park boys.
Speaker 2: That's that's the Newfoundland accent.
Speaker 4: This is probably gonna be like it's gonna sound really bad.
Speaker 4: But a lot of times I can't tell the difference
Speaker 4: between an American accent and Canadian.
Speaker 2: No, because there's not much. Especially Minnesota and Canada pretty.
Speaker 5: Much the same Minnesota, Minnesota, eh, but you have different
Speaker 5: places like Texas and stuff and stuff like that where
Speaker 5: Brooklyn and stuff like that. But if you have like
Speaker 5: people like Joe Rogan always talks about here's that joke
Speaker 5: where he's like, uh, He's like, what do you know,
Speaker 5: everyone's got different accents and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 5: he's making fun of a bunch of accents, and he
Speaker 5: was like, what are you gonna say about fucking co
Speaker 5: California that we speak clear and concise.
Speaker 6: Like don't They're like, uh, it is y'all fucking California, Like, uh,
Speaker 6: it's it's the uh the the fucking Californians on Saturday
Speaker 6: Night Live.
Speaker 2: We here.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm still waiting on your your attempt at
Speaker 5: a fucking American Canadian accent.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know he's not talking about my attempt at
Speaker 8: an American accent, because uh, what what I'll do actually
Speaker 8: is for the next for the next episode we do,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have an attempt for both separately.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah you should, yeah, definitely do that. And you
Speaker 5: even uh yeah, that'd be that'd be a good idea.
Speaker 5: I'll work on my I have to I have.
Speaker 4: To go and actually listen to a Canadian as you can.
Speaker 4: I even notice the difference.
Speaker 5: That's sure, there's not there is really not much unless
Speaker 5: you go certain places of Canada, like uh BC, they
Speaker 5: have a lot more twang kind of in their voice.
Speaker 5: It's there is accents around Caada, but unless you go
Speaker 5: to Quebec, and then we just want to cut them
Speaker 5: off with a saw they can get their fucking crazy
Speaker 5: accents out of here. I list all our French listeners
Speaker 5: all right. That was that was a good show. I
Speaker 5: enjoyed that. You know, everybody show up there. Ship Obviously
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Speaker 5: In the time that the time this comes out, me
Speaker 5: and Aaron's episode on the Irish Travelers should be out
Speaker 5: where you actually can sit with us and you can
Speaker 5: watch the doc the documentary that we talked about that
Speaker 5: was a very fucking interesting episode. So shout that that.
Speaker 5: I'll be on the Patreon soon.
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Speaker 4: what what's wrong with my account? I tried to like
Speaker 4: switch it to a business account and back and like
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Speaker 5: Yeah enough for everybody out there, stay stick classy stranger.
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